perf_prof_branch

[whole cloud]

"to artificially increase latency" My VPNs all have very good ping

And Its super annoying to debug a server remotely.

Local running dedicated server, with latency via Clumsy would be a doable repro scenario

[heavy vortex]

Apparently I forgot how to make Clumsy do anything to A3 local DS.

Could have sworn that udp and (udp.DstPort == 2302 or udp.SrcPort == 2302) used to work.

[whole cloud]

I used it like that pretty sure

[heavy vortex]

yeah I might have got lucky before and not picked the localhost.

Seems to work on second random attempt. No replication though.

And that's with much worse settings than the real packet loss.

[ember owl]

Does anyone have a picture of said placeholder for missing models? Just kinda curious what they look like :)

[analog acorn]

#perf_prof_branch message ( #perf_prof_branch message )

[ember owl]

Ahhhhh hahahaha looks like I reacted to it too- I must've totally forgot. Thank you 🙂

[heavy vortex]

Even tried Clumsy on a live server and that doesn't trigger the verification errors. Something else is going on with real packet loss apparently.

[whole cloud]

What happened yesterday lol

First is some corruption in the vehicle types cache. I have seen that happen before, mainly at game exit.
I don't know how that happens, and it seems to be very rare.

Second one is something with AI, need to look closer at that, but its in a place I fixed previously 🤔

And what happened here xD That's alot of crashes in a 5 minute span

[opal hound]

Crash on startup with auto-restart script?

[fiery crescent]

Not in my case, 1st crash happened after some 5 hours of server being online 2nd after some 3 or so hours of being online.

[whole cloud]

Oh its that ObfuSQF thing.
Server with messed up files, probably on auto restart yaeh

I accidentally found a repro for the texture loading crash.
A texture is inserted into the cache, even though it already was in the cache.
I wasn't even looking for it

[drifting grove]

Does that include clinet crashes or no? @ ping is turned off

[whole cloud]

yes

[gleaming aurora]

I need to see big error signs in arma 3 🙏

[drifting grove]

ok

[fiery crescent]

Dedmen I don't use ObfuSQF, in regard to server crashes from yesterday

[whole cloud]

Yeah I know, those crashes aren't yours
And they look totally different

I already wrote what your crashes are, and I didn't mention ObfuSQF

[whole cloud]

I now know how it can happen.
Its a mistake in new code I "wrote" today, but the problem actually comes from a line I copied from elsewhere and then modified.
The thing I copied was already broken, but was luckily in a situation where the issue would not happen. Probably other places that make the same mistake.
Will take a while to search all places this is done at..

But I have a hotfix for now. Instead of inserting twice and corrupting the cache, if its already in there, just remove it first.
That seems to prevent crashing/freezing 🤞
Prof tomorrow

As far as I can see the map icon drawing code doesn't make the mistake though.

[ripe willow]

Quick question is Added: 3DEN Action "CreateTextFile" to create files into mission folder within Eden Editor or is there a way to chose extension of the file instead of beaing .txt to be .sqf or .ext ?

[whole cloud]

No

Note script files don't need to be named .sqf to be loaded as a script file

[analog acorn]

If the mission hasn't been saved yet (so no mission folder) where does the created file go? Just in the base missions folder?

[whole cloud]

It just fails because it can't find the folder

Sadly do3DENAction doesn't return the result, even though it has a bool for it

[ripe willow]

I didn’t know you could just execute a .txt file like that. I was always under the impression that script files had to be .sqf. That’s actually really cool to know

[tropic thunder]

i heard some stuff about base64 in dev branch, are we getting it anytime soon to profiling or standard?

[whole cloud]

That was released in 2.20 https://community.bistudio.com/wiki/ctrlWebBrowserAction

[tropic thunder]

oh i totally missed that thanks

thats only in the ctrlWebBrowserAction no?, is it not possible to get a base64 string and apply it as a setObjectTexture?

[whole cloud]

(This also works with controlNull)
it says on the page

[heavy vortex]

One day I'm gonna try deflate on our saved games :P

[silk summit]

Slug Algorithm for rendering fonts on GPU is now public domain.
https://terathon.com/blog/decade-slug.html
Is this useful to you guys?

[barren heath]

Maybe for the UI/HUD, but I'm not sure it's worth the cost/development time to implement, especially for a 2013 game

[lethal forum]

will there be a full release of perf branch in the future?

[real creek]

Improvements of this branch generally make their way into every next update of the main branch

[lethal forum]

thank you

[proud cape]

just wait for 2.22

[whole cloud]

no

[empty goblet]

1.54.134547 profiling & performance v20 server and client, windows/linux

• decreased BE log spam and resolved some issue
  https://www.dropbox.com/sh/582opsto4mmr8d8/3BSy9PdRGm

[nocturne obsidian]

running now

17 was bad tho

hope this helps

[static briar]

new aprilfool.. lol (because I'm eastern time ppl)

[turbid mural]

hmm it's upside-down

[quaint flame]

psst 🤫

[turbid mural]

tbh it scared me lmao

[warm sedge]

@whole cloud you are working so hard for us thx so much m8

[leaden relic]

Finally the correct way to title it, ɐɯɹ∀

[spice dirge]

finally, australian release

[ember owl]

Why spoil 🥺

[light cargo]

epic

[quartz rampart]

look out that a Demogorgon does not appear around the corner and attack you.

[proud cape]

yup... those that live in the future send spoilers

[idle valve]

This is

Just peak

I love all these little easter egg things that show up

[finite gyro]

Im there's just a few people who actually check this channel 😄

[indigo anvil]

would be funny to keep it that way just for the Perf/Prof binaries

[fiery crescent]

Is there a way to limit FPS with VSYNC off? Arma.cfg refresh setting seems to make no effect.

[minor epoch]

limitFPS launch param

[knotty wraith]

The video card settings have this option

[fiery crescent]

Thanks

[light cargo]

does that work for clients? thought its for servers only

[minor epoch]

Mm... never tried, just looked it up tho and it does specify server/hc so maybe not

[light cargo]

not sure what it has to do with hc tho

by client i meant user facing game and hc

[minor epoch]

I meant the wiki says it works for server and hc, it doesnt mention regular clients so it probably doesnt work for them

Nevermind its a 2.20 change that says it works on clients too

So.... yes, limitfps works everywhere

[light cargo]

ah right

[nocturne obsidian]

https://www.dropbox.com/s/q2204jx4p8ojr8j/crash.zip?dl=0

crash v20 Exile No mods

[hallow yew]

Wierdly, it was only crashing on Altis for us, other maps were fine for a full session

[coarse plaza]

this update is adding this attribute line to units in missin.sqm and gives error when adding new units to mission and opening edit attributes. No mods. Should i make ticket or is this something broken in my end?

                        class Attribute1
                        {
                            property="VehicleCustomization";
                            expression="if (local _this) then {([_this] + _value + [true]) call (uinamespace getvariable 'BIS_fnc_initVehicle')};";
                            class Value
                            {
                                class data
                                {
                                    singleType="STRING";
                                    value="[[],[]]";
                                };
                            };
                        };

and it is giving this error

19:59:40 Error in expression <if (local _this) then {([_this] + _value + [true]) call (uinamespace get>
19:59:40   Error position: <+ _value + [true]) call (uinamespace get>
19:59:40   Error Generic error in expression
19:59:40  ➥ Context:     [] L1 ()
    [] L1 ()
 <- VehicleCustomization

[whole cloud]

Ah so that's where thats from...

Okey so what..
We have a ton of attributes that wrongly have condition=0 and actually mean to be visible.
Except this one attribute, which would rather be always disabled?

yeah ugh

But the attribute also has value=0.
Can I just "if value=0, then accept condition=0 too" ?

Ah the "value" entry doesn't even exist.
What are the chances others have copied using value=0 too, even though it does nothing?

Also weird that this is an Edit control with a string, if you actually use vehicle customization, it sets the attribute to an array..

So why did condition=0 work on this one, but not on any other attribute??
AAAA

Ah F'ing hell.
Of course.
condition="0" DID work for global attributes.
But not for per-object attributes.

So on VehicleCustomization, it should stay 0 and hidden.
But on keyframe timeline attributes that also set it to 0, it should be ignored, because they are object specific.
Schmart

There is one non-object attribute that uses condition=0

It infects mission files
Once you open vehicle attributes once, it stays stuck in there.
Going back to non-broken version doesn't remove it

[void badger]

Haha funny April fools, infecting mission files

[quaint flame]

Just update the expression to always exit. Next mission save will fix it.

[empty goblet]

@nocturne obsidian seems like you running w/o date-time timestamps in the logging (if possible use full format next time 😉 )

also if you have crashes, try to use -crashDiag command-line so we can see additional info

[hallow yew]

It was just too unstable for us to run on main servers sadly

[heady plinth]

"ShipX simulation would not apply gun stabilization" does this fix artillery computer on boats?

[whole cloud]

I know nothing about artillery computer

[heady plinth]

has the same issue. the wave wobbling the ship makes you not able to hit anything. I guess chair might know more about it

[silk pewter]

just don't wave at the enemy

[foggy vine]

Was the launcher being able to modify modsets with open game actually implemented at some point? Also, it's still on profiling and not stable yet, right?

[whole cloud]

I think profiling doesn't have the launcher changes, dev has

[foggy vine]

Aw. rip

Thanks

[heavy galleon]

And could we?

[whole cloud]

Its possible

[patent sky]

[fiery crescent]

Dedmen, I reverted from V58 to V55 and no server crashes. Maybe coincidence. I don't see v63 server related fixes so I don't update. Any time frame for the server crash related fixes? Update: got server crash on V55 as well so reverting from V58 was not relevant. Updated to v63. Will see how it goes.

[void badger]

Why can't you try v63? I'll test the same on my linux DS :)

[fiery crescent]

You are right, I should try. It is just problematic to update all servers while no one plays just to do the rollback a few days later.

[light cargo]

don't do all servers but a small selection of them and rotate and try doing it in the scheduled maintenance period

[nocturne obsidian]

yea sorry man

had to drop to v16

cant risk running it too long

lets just say it was worse

[worn obsidian]

no crash for me with v20, but player stuck on "receiving data" after some hours of uptime

[uneven bluff]

Fixing the boat turret stabilization is awesome. The vanilla gmg speedboat was basically unusable at any kind of range, in almost any weather.

[void badger]

I'm curious if that affects stable clients on perf server?

I'm guessing not though

[nocturne obsidian]

whats your maxmsg send set to

@worn obsidian

@empty goblet i guess the only was to fix it then ill turn the logging on but i can only risk a few crashes before i switch back ok ?

[left eagle]

Is it an already known bug where your GPS/mini map changes position when using the profile branch? It fixes when getting in a vehicle, moves when you get out.

[worn obsidian]

@nocturne obsidian 64

[nocturne obsidian]

mission ?

[whole cloud]

What does changes position mean

[left eagle]

The mini map moves from being where it is default to the bottom corner of the screen. I have a video of it happening while playing KOTH but cant post it here for some reason

[heavy vortex]

Do you have a replication case that doesn't require playing KOTH?

[left eagle]

I only have a video of it while playing KOTH

All I play really. I could try and make a video elsewhere?

[heavy vortex]

Try creating a mission in the editor and see if it has the same issue there with the same mods.

[left eagle]

Alright, the only mod I'd have active is the JSRS.

[plain trout]

I had the same issue with the map randomly repositioning. Also using JSRS but other mods too. Maybe something for the JSRS discord

[light cargo]

try without jsrs and other mods
jsrs is an audio mod so it's unlikely that it's causing this issue

[light cargo]

see above

[snow rapids]

I'd like to bring into attention a (relatively) new eBPF-based profiling technique that recently became part of opentelemetry: https://github.com/open-telemetry/opentelemetry-ebpf-instrumentation
It requires a symbols-enabled build (so won't work well with "public" builds), but with custom builds on official servers or in cooperation with trusted server owners - this has some interesting capabilities

[slender lagoon]

the game~~ crashes~~ when i alt tab more often now, i thought this issue was fixed not long time ago.
edit: i meant not responding

[heavy galleon]

1gig update
changelog
nevermind, cdlc

[idle valve]

What the flipity flop

[silk pewter]

you have been…Dedmen'd!!

[empty goblet]

shortify, dmed or ded 😁

[idle valve]

Prettycwool

Not gonna lieee

[whole cloud]

Is today marksman DLC birthday? 🤔

I totally forgot lol

[idle valve]

must be

[whole cloud]

OBI uses eBPF to automatically inspect application executables and the OS networking layer, and capture trace spans related to web transactions and Rate Errors Duration (RED) metrics for Linux HTTP/S and gRPC services

I don't see how this is relevant

[whole cloud]

It's tomorrow.
You must be in Asia 🤣
Maybe I do need to add Timezone checks

[idle valve]

Lol

[quaint flame]

I was already wondering how he got to see it😄

[whole cloud]

At least put it in a spoiler tag for the others

[ashen helm]

a marksman birthday celebration should also play the "boom headshot" sound with every tick of the loading bar

[idle valve]

Thats actually a neat idea

[idle valve]

Cant put a spoiler tag post, posting lol. Im sure the others will live tho

[ember owl]

I really do love all the profiling easter eggs 🫶

[snow rapids]

The idea is that you can get continuous profiling data from live application running in production - at 1-2% performance cost. I.e. if you know that a particular server is struggling under 100 players - you can actually have 100 players on it while profiling, and the act of profiling will not degrade performance. Plus, with backend like Pyroscope you can gather the data continuously and look into issues after they appear - without having to create a test environment and reproduce the issue.

Here is an article: https://grafana.com/blog/continuous-profiling-for-native-code-understanding-the-what-why-and-how/

[whole cloud]

Tracy already is quite low overhead, and we already have that, and it works on windows too

[snow rapids]

Tracy is primarily designed to operate in manual sampling mode, from what I read. But if you already use continuous sample profiling on the whole server executable, then yes, this has no advantages. Are profiling builds sampling whole execution flow?

[whole cloud]

They can if I wanted to

[snow rapids]

Then the difference is - with eBPF you won't have to enable it, the data would be already there.

Happy to help if you decide to check it out later.

[worn obsidian]

@nocturne obsidian custom life

[spiral pond]

Tracy generated like 1 GB data / minute from what i recall - and thats for one user/client.

Does eBPF / its tools have some more elaborate data storage/handling?

[proud cape]

yeah the april fools one got spoiled

[heavy vortex]

I feel like you need some tracker techno to go with some of these intros

[whole cloud]

The last featuren I added to my Arma launcher, was a Tracker music player 🤣

[light cargo]

bass library in arma 3 files when 😂

[whole cloud]

Ah those funny crashes...

[heady plinth]

bet it's a life server

[empty plover]

"GTA" ^ thats very ambitious project

[worldly badge]

Get A Life server, I see

[empty plover]

arma can give you life? 😮 where do i sign?

[whole cloud]

There is one annoying crash with the attachTo thing for handIK and head stuff..
I tried reproducing in vanilla and can't, but it keeps happening. Something is wrong with the face grimace's.
I'll make it show a prompt to create a fulldump, 🤞 that someone actually does and sends it over

[whole cloud]

Oh I found a way how to replace the crash with a "You dun fucked up mate" error message.
Probably will break all servers that run this bad obfuscation that tends to crash the game. But better that than crashes

[silk pewter]

"good birds don't obfuscate scripts in game, you have only yourself to blame" PLEASE

[whole cloud]

1. I don't know if obfuscation tool used, or just very badly made mod
2. I can't put joke messages for real things

[cloud sky]

Maybe they'll fade away after that

[naive osprey]

Judging by the name of the folder its probably Grand Theft Arma, which im fairly sure is a custom obfuscator? Could be wrong, but @sly ivy

[whole cloud]

They also have "obfusqf" loaded

[naive osprey]

Hm. ObfuSQF is a fairly common one, maybe they changed.

[whole cloud]

They have a over 3400 levels deep #include chain.
That's a bit <insert generic insulting slur here>

[naive osprey]

3400 fuck...

[whole cloud]

Thats where my log ends, because VisualStudio doesn't want to display more. There is more

[naive osprey]

I wonder if its somehow recursing the includes? I guess you'd be able tell

[knotty wraith]

I don't understand the point of using obfuscation nowadays.

[whole cloud]

Also all the crash reports I've seen are from their own server and HC. They're just crashing themselves 🤷

[abstract smelt]

Don't steal my shitscripts!

[knotty wraith]

you can hide your shame on the server side)

[abstract smelt]

not only for this reason

I've a lot of maps and it is convenient to edit your code from one place (the serverside mod)

[heavy galleon]

Just start adding crashes the moment a obfuscation like character is found.
Stop it at the source

Just call it malformed pbo

[whole cloud]

Already did that for another type of obfuscation 😄

But they often use russian characters for it. I can't block russian made mods

[light cargo]

why do treadmill work for this?

[honest fulcrum]

Just keep updating file headers like that .p3d update to ODOLK last year lol

[knotty wraith]

and block the use of Cyrillic?

[whole cloud]

Cyrillic not allowed see #rules

[snow rapids]

Yes, dedicated profile databases have very high compression. I'm mostly familiar with https://github.com/grafana/pyroscope - can't quote the particular compression factor, but the space requirements are low enough that we just run it 24/7 on production.

[whole cloud]

Tracy also supports zstd compression on tracefile
Also native tracy is more efficient than what ASP does

[ember owl]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-meme-gif-14922675818058709477

-# I don't blame you, you've been fighting those crashes for a while haha

FWIW though I think OfbuSQF creates dummy files as part of the obfuscation process. I believe that's probably what's up with the includes chain but not sure

[obsidian condor]

Honestly should just ban obfuscation... Mostly used by rippers and IP thieves anyway...

[void badger]

Eehhhhhhh that's a slippery slope, I'd just say those who Obfuscate basically have no warranty provided, which is typically how that goes in the world at large anyway

No help offered if you choose to not disclose your sources or content for any reason

[ember owl]

Honestly I really don't see the point to banning it. Our servers mission has been being developed and built on for 10+ years. I don't think it's unreasonable we want to take measures ourselves to protect from IP theft when everything outside of the initial framework was made by us.

Unfortunate ObfuSQF appears to cause the issues it does and I'd agree that's their responsibility to fix. Banning tools that help mission and mod authors protect IP just doesn't seem like a great move though tbh.

[naive osprey]

Honestly not worried about people ripping scripts, more so as a deterrent to cheating in our case.
The higher the bar to rip scripts or see functionality, the better

The game is so far in its life cycle, there's no reason to hide scripts for most reasons, but it still protects us from skids. I understand security by obscurity isnt ideal, but its one of two solutions we have at this point

[fiery crescent]

I post my scripts on discord so others can use it, it only brings people not pushing away from servers.

[obsidian condor]

Personally I keep most of my stuff in server-side mods only where possible. For stuff with assets that can't be, well, obfuscation ain't solving that theft...

But then again, will server side mods be a thing in ARMA 4?

If not, then I'd be looking at good obfuscation lol

[ember owl]

I figured for cheating it was actually sorta less relevant. To me seems like it would be easier to get those script during the mission if you have access to memory anyway. I suppose a good way to address low hanging fruit though.

[ember owl]

That's totally fair. Only so much you can actually obfuscate on the client and ultimately something they're downloading on their PC anyway if it's not server sided. We just generally tend to run anything not imperative for security on the client for performance.

[obsidian condor]

Always good to run infiSTAR imo...

[fair swan]

Started game earlier and this happened - swapped back to main branch and it didn't happen, then I switched back to perf and it didn't happen. So I'm not sure what happened.

Quite an interesting bug

[heavy vortex]

looks like Dark Souls

[heady plinth]

bug or creepy trees, who's to say

[merry kernel]

I think they are creepy trees lol

[foggy vine]

Had an issue with accessing the UAV terminals on stable, took me 4 restarts of the game and a hop into singleplayer with the same mission to fix it

This game is weird as hell sometimes.

[empty plover]

these trees are nothing but witchcraft which the devs should have seen coming

[rose moth]

We've called those Treeple since OFP.

[quaint flame]

Is there even a word for this witchcraft?!?

[silk pewter]

Marian Quandt vibes

[idle valve]

My Fav Birthday ever

[fair ore]

"Be not afraid." ahhhh loading screen

[idle valve]

So real

[whole cloud]

Man there are many Anniversaries in April

[idle valve]

Ye lol

[quaint flame]

I wanna see flying dogs on the 14th 😉

[whole cloud]

looks at table
There is nothing on 14th

[quaint flame]

But...😢

[eternal kraken]

I am in favor of this proposal

[empty goblet]

you sure you that ain't The day of the triffids mod ? 🤣

[fickle ibex]

I don't know why but because of this screen My Game didn't want to run with some of my Mods 😅

[idle valve]

💀

Uhh

Lol

[fiery crescent]

Dedmen, add optional personal birthday form, so anyone can add their own locally.

[whole cloud]

I wonder if. Windows 11 enforces connecting microsoft account. Microsoft account has your birthday..
Does windows know your birthday? Does windows have API to check if its the users birthday?

[analog acorn]

I hope not, surely that would be a serious data protection/security issue

Some random app queries that API and gets your name from your account name and hey, we're most of the way to identity fraud

[fiery crescent]

Who signs into Microsoft in first place

[analog acorn]

Lots of people, it's the default now and not doing it requires an obscure workaround. I have feelings about whether it should be that way, but it is, and many people are just going to use the default.
A lot of people use their name as their account name even if they're not using an MS account, too.

[idle valve]

I dont think so

Would be funny

IDK Steam has a birthday thing no?

[heavy galleon]

Aren't all OSes required by law in California or where to ask for BDay and provide API for something? At least checks that you're >18?

[whole cloud]

Microsoft is now forcing everyone

[cyan sail]

On 25H2 ?

[whole cloud]

Whatever windows 11 is doing

[cyan sail]

For new installs I guess then.

[idle valve]

It's jover MS bros

[whole cloud]

AI tells me windows has it, but no API to query it

Unless you have yourself in the OS calendar/contacts

[cyan sail]

Well there is https://learn.microsoft.com/en-us/uwp/api/windows.system.user.checkuserageconsentgroupasync?view=winrt-28000 . But I don't consider something an API unless it is win32.

But that just pushes the boundary. Now we need a separate API to figure out which laws the computer and user are bound by....

[cloud sky]

I think you can still install W11 without Microsoft account with Rufus (https://rufus.ie), but I recall reading from somewhere that Microsoft is planning to make it imposssible to use W11 without Microsoft account

[quaint flame]

Latest news actually suggests Microsoft is moving away from forcing an account since they got a lot of resistance recently. Time will tell.

[proud cape]

with age verification laws coming you might be able to tell soon

[spiral pond]

grafana/pyroscope

[empty goblet]

your poll is invalid, you missed one valid option 🤣

[light cargo]

where's jets?

[silk pewter]

above the clouds

[light cargo]

in the poll i meant

[fair swan]

you'll get used to it

[nocturne obsidian]

waits for perf 21 😃

[hallow yew]

Waits for @nocturne obsidian to test it first 💩

[nocturne obsidian]

thanks dave

[empty goblet]

btw. you missed Zeus DLC in the poll 😁 same day

[whole cloud]

Zeus was yesterday

[hallow yew]

❤

[empty goblet]

for some reason STEAM considers it today, could be the late night change +1 summer time diff for the availability 😁

[obsidian condor]

Shows yesterday for me...

[light cargo]

timezones moment

[whole cloud]

No comments about the splash screen today

[obsidian condor]

I disable the splash screen 🤷

BTW, do the anniversary splash screens include CDLC releases?

[silk pewter]

IDK 😬 https://community.bistudio.com/wiki/Arma_3:_Main_Updates

[whole cloud]

youuuuuu

[whole cloud]

not yet

[obsidian condor]

Shame, couple of bangers coming up soon 😉

[whole cloud]

Dont know why we left them out

[empty goblet]

like i wrote, i suspect the problem might be the time it got edited/enabled (was 22-23 hour of day) vs summer time and it will show for some at 11th

[obsidian condor]

If only BI had the rights to play Fortunate Son next month and 99 Luftballons this 😉

[obsidian condor]

Yeah, that would make sense that I see Apr 10 in the USA. Weird time to deploy a DLC (even if free) in the Czech Republic 😉

[hexed sleet]

What's the point of a free DLC that's always loaded?

[obsidian condor]

Pings 😉

But all BI DLCs are always loaded anyway

[hexed sleet]

The not platform Contact isn't.

[obsidian condor]

Yeah, apart from that

[split wigeon]

I wonder if it would be possible to add some parts of the Contact to the main game without the need to load platform. Like alien props and modules

[light cargo]

probably because it's not part of the core or first party?

[light cargo]

you mean the contact specifics that aren't in platform?

[light cargo]

how?

[split wigeon]

yeah. Since loading the contact as cdlc basically makes most of the game..."unplayable" in a way

[light cargo]

contact is split in a base dlc and an optional one, doesn't make it a cdlc since it's first party

[split wigeon]

yeah, anyway, my point is it would nice to have some stuff from the optional part

[light cargo]

ya

what is strictly optional besides the obvious? (menu and campaign)

[split wigeon]

as I said, modules and alien stuff

[knotty wraith]

I want to remind you that the alternative to Contact in DayZ became free content… and yet, after 15 years, we still haven’t been able to enjoy a fully realized Chernogorsk.

[empty goblet]

you don't like free stuff ?

[empty goblet]

it's also oriented as SP campaign ...

[hexed sleet]

I meant why as a DLC 😄

[patent sky]

Maybe to showcase the new addition better? doesn't really matter why since its free and always installed

[split wigeon]

yeah. But I can imagine a lot stuff from it be used outside the SP.

[light cargo]

many are limited to the terrain bounds though

[obsidian condor]

Malden was also free...

Maybe are DLC simply because they have their own addon folders?

[empty goblet]

some, because not all was made to work in MP

[opal hound]

Strange issue popping up only on profiling since a modpack update today

20:43:15 Warning Message: Addon 'A3_Data_F_Enoch_Loadorder' requires addon 'A3_Structures_F_Enoch_Signs_Companies'
20:43:22 Warning Message: Addon 'A3_Data_F_Enoch_Loadorder' requires addon 'A3_Structures_F_Enoch_Signs_Directions'
20:43:22 Warning Message: Addon 'A3_Data_F_Enoch_Loadorder' requires addon 'A3_Structures_F_Enoch_Signs_Traffic'
20:43:22 Warning Message: Addon 'A3_Data_F_Enoch_Loadorder' requires addon 'A3_Structures_F_Enoch_Signs_Warnings'
20:43:22 Warning Message: Addon 'A3_Data_F_Enoch_Loadorder' requires addon 'A3_Structures_F_Enoch_Signs_Companies'
20:43:22 Warning Message: Addon 'A3_Data_F_Enoch_Loadorder' requires addon 'A3_Structures_F_Enoch_Signs_Directions'
20:43:22 Warning Message: Addon 'A3_Data_F_Enoch_Loadorder' requires addon 'A3_Structures_F_Enoch_Signs_Traffic'
20:43:22 Warning Message: Addon 'A3_Data_F_Enoch_Loadorder' requires addon 'A3_Structures_F_Enoch_Signs_Warnings'

I'm searching through all of the files and I can only see one mod which touches Loadorder which is ACRE and that's only as a requiredAddon, plus it wasn't updated.
Even with debug on I can't get any more info out of this, any ideas?

[heavy vortex]

Is that a fatal or non-fatal error?

(IIRC this one is also a "warning message" when it's fatal)

[opal hound]

I think non-fatal, but with a popup

[opal hound]

Partially figured this out, it's the albasrah map which seems to be stealing the structures_f_enoch/signs prefix. Apart from the fact that this seems like horrible practice, is it possible it's a load order issue?

[light cargo]

weird

bring it up to the terrain author

[spice dirge]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/737175675818999898/1493291682018496584/image.png?ex=69de6fc1&is=69dd1e41&hm=6aa679eeb981a05c1dcbdf8855ccdefa270757ccce9d16bfd3989c0d3cf1fc18&

[silk pewter]

*a lot

[light cargo]

there you go

[charred pagoda]

some shadow dropped update on profiling?

[opal hound]

usually it's CDLC 🙃

[whole cloud]

No also offtopic.

[quaint flame]

Eden Editor now displays Module Description for legacy (Pre-3DEN) modules
Just when I added a custom module description 😢

[whole cloud]

What I did there is very hacky and I'm not sure if it'll stay. Maybe will only keep it for vanilla modules.
No-one should rely on that working and should rather use proper attribute descriptions

[quaint flame]

I guess the issue are the vanilla modules anyway, not the custom ones

Something looks off

[whole cloud]

What is something

[quaint flame]

Trigger and module areas

they look like this,.

Is this rvmat related? 😄

[whole cloud]

In thermal?

[quaint flame]

oh

wait

I pressed that stupid button by accident again 😠

[silk pewter]

https://tenor.com/view/hue-huehue-huehuehue-duck-laugh-gif-4916860

[normal matrix]

On an empty build, it crashes when firing on any map with the new update

[silk pewter]

Arma 3?

[worldly badge]

Is that an affirm?

[normal matrix]

Me and another friend have this problem now

[whole cloud]

Firing what? A gun? Which gun?

Did you submit the crash report?

[normal matrix]

1 minute

[knotty wraith]

so I just started playing with the new version... there have already been two departures on the client. I'll try to play it again.

[whole cloud]

I can fire guns just fine

[normal matrix]

Ah...it's my fault, ace didn't update and crashed the game)))) sorry

[whole cloud]

What

[whole cloud]

That's not supposed to be possible. A unupdated mod shouldn't be able to crash the game.
Did you submit the crash report?

[normal matrix]

yes

that's what I did
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qZkgERzp_sM

[whole cloud]

There's a bug in currentZeroing command, fix ETA ~40 minutes (or 50..)

[knotty wraith]

the third crash of the client, dumped the dump in the personal account

That's right, the game crashes when I look through the scope and try to shoot....

[whole cloud]

Unless you sit in a car

[wild basalt]

Apologies if unhelpful;
Getting exact same issue as others.
Confirmed to be ACE causing it as just CBA on its own doesn't proc the error.
Crash report submitted.

Mentions "Status Access Violation; Illegal Read" then some strings.

Maybe something in the new zeroing stuff is causing ACE to cry?

[whole cloud]

#perf_prof_branch message

[opal hound]

Would the missing error messages for lnb* fail silently or actually cause different behaviour before?

[finite gyro]

Sadly the Special1 render flag in the Refract shader isn't working for me and nor are the IR laser parameters ;_;

[whole cloud]

Silent fail

[opal hound]

hmm, one of ours is now throwing an error and making a GUI look weird

lnbSetColumnsPos [
    108,
    [
        ((ctrlPosition _QS_ctrl_9) # 0),
        ((ctrlPosition _QS_ctrl_9) # 0) + (((ctrlPosition _QS_ctrl_9) # 2) * 2),
        ((ctrlPosition _QS_ctrl_9) # 0) + (((ctrlPosition _QS_ctrl_9) # 2) * 2.8)
    ]
];

It looks reasonably correct to me but it's throwing Error Type Array, expected Number

[whole cloud]

Some cases had no checks.
Some cases had type checks AFTER using the value. Those would print conversion errors into RPT, and silently have wrong behavior (0 when trying to read a number thats not a number)

I see jup, mistake

[patent sky]

another new prof? 😂

[whole cloud]

yeah but not as critical

[opal hound]

such is the life of the prof branch, ty

[whole cloud]

Is it critical enough to hotfix today. Or to push a new prof on thursday?

[patent sky]

I should give dedmen a giant prof button on his desk to do it himself

[whole cloud]

UI looking weird doesn't sound too critical

[opal hound]

it's bearable I think?

can always tell them to get off prof temporarily

[whole cloud]

I could push another hotfix now (We're already pushing one right now), but I'd rather wait and see if more problems pop up

[opal hound]

I can start opening all of the GUIs we have and see what happens, how long do you think before release?

[whole cloud]

Thursday

[opal hound]

I meant the now one but yeah, not critical

[whole cloud]

The now one 5 minutes ago

[finite gyro]

I gotta test it but could it be possible that beamColor affects the dot and dotColor affects the beam

[light cargo]

incoming changelog for the hotfix?

[finite gyro]

but yeah the refract is not working with that hotfix either

[whole cloud]

No. Same as last one

[whole cloud]

You sure you're one the correct version?

[finite gyro]

"Profilling - 2.20.153673"

according to the pause screen

[whole cloud]

I don't know, the code worked when I tested it, and its correctly merged onto profiling branch.
I don't have time to test it again

[finite gyro]

is it possible there's a typo in the render flag's naming or something?

[whole cloud]

Special1

looks right to me

I also tested it from the rvmat, the one I copied the snippet from that I sent to you

[finite gyro]

interesting

I'll revalidate the files again I suppose, otherwise Im not sure what else might be different

[finite gyro]

validated, tried running the other .exe's in the root folder, updated drivers, downloaded the files from the google drive, no luck

[light cargo]

strange

[finite gyro]

yeah im officially out of ideas for now lol

[vale shoal]

There seems to be an issue with disabled channels. I have channels 0 and 2 disabled (via server config), but yet users with profiling branch are able to use these channels.

[obsidian condor]

In the interim you can enableChannel false for those channels via an initplayerlocal in the mission file. Friend confirmed that worked for them

Running those on the client was what seemed to fix it

[whole cloud]

Thank you!
I refactored it a bit but thought it'd be the same.
Can you send me the line you actually use? Old syntax or new syntax?

[whole cloud]

The most common crash currently is still the XAudio crash that I can't figure out.
DayZ has the same crash on their end.
I just got notified that DayZ closed their ticket for it, after they found the cause and fixed the crash in a separate ticket that I didn't know about in 2022.
Oh well.. Lets see if this works...

[whole cloud]

Nvm.
DayZ closed the ticket with "The issue seems to be gone", after several fixes were made, but they were made to code that was only added to DayZ, that A3 never got in the first place.

But, they have a second ticket, for the exact same crash, which is still open, and even after the last fix attempt still accumulated new crash reports and is, till today, unfixed.
The crash tickets are separate because one is crashing in xaudio2_7 and the other is in xaudio2_9.
After upgrading from 2.7 to 2.9, the crashes in 2.7 disappeared! Amazing! But at the same time a new crash appeared in 2.9, in a function with exactly the name, with the same callstack. Oh no, a new issue!

Alas, it shan't be.

[finite gyro]

could you send me your rvmat you were testing with when you have a spare moment? maybe im missing something in mine

[whole cloud]

I only have it tomorrow

[whole cloud]

I came up with some logging that should tell me if the issue is actually on XAudio side like I thought, or if its on our side deleting the buffer sooner than we should.
That depends on people not using -noLogs though

[whole cloud]

true is disabled, false is enabled.
In the order Chat, VoN, MapMarkers, MapDrawing.
Which.. looks all correct

are able to use these channels
What does that mean. They can chat, or use VoN, or both?
Are both disabled, or only one?

[vale shoal]

disableChannels[] = {0, 2};

[vale shoal]

They can at least use text channel, VoN no idea. But I have VoN in this channel disabled via infiSTAR so probably not.

[whole cloud]

Then I wonder if
disableChannels[] = {{0,true,true},{2,true,true}}; Disable von and chat on both
works the same. But as far as I can see it should.

[finite gyro]

got someone else to also test it (@lethal trench) and bro's got the same results

[lethal trench]

This is 2.20.153673

[light cargo]

discord shows previews for mp4, you can remux that in obs easily btw

[whole cloud]

You can just rename the file to .mp4 and it'll work

[light cargo]

ah

[whole cloud]

Found it.
Bug was that the disabledChannels would not be reset when switching servers/missions.
Server always sends the new set of disabledChannels when selecting a mission or joining the server that already has a mission running, which will overwrite them.
But if you leave a server, they stick around. And if you join a server that has not yet selected a mission, your chat might be blocked and you cannot login as admin.

So easy fix, clean it up at mission end, where many things are being cleaned up.

But, the server sending it to you when you join or select a mission, happens BEFORE the mission is loaded.
So it sends the disabledChannels, then the previous mission is cleaned up, and the new mission is loaded.. which deletes the disabledChannels.

We do want to clean up at mission end. But not if the mission that's ending, is a leftover from before the server was joined :/
A bit of a mess, but what isn't.

The commit that broke it was 153666, clearly devils work.

[heavy galleon]

Make -noLogs just not work for few days, months, years, millennia...

[eternal kraken]

in my tests with my new 9070 XT, I noticed that using the -noLogs launch command lowered my FPS by 15%, anyone else noticed this?

maybe only on my specific pc, dont know
retested and now i get a few more fps with noLogs

[whole cloud]

While testing I found a funky bug, I couldn't join my server, I always got stuck on "connecting".

I just learned how the "custom files" transfer works (We have no documentation of course).

When a player joins the server. The server tells every existing player thats already on the server "Hey, this new player has custom files, do you want them?"
Then it blocks the new player from connecting, until everyone else has replied if they want the files or not.
Then it blocks the new player from connecting, until the server has transferred its custom files to all the other players that want it.

Well in my case, my server has a client connected, that is actually crashed and will never respond, and is waiting for the timeout to kick it.
That one client isn't responding, so now no-one that has custom files can join the server until that one is disconnected.

And these custom files include the Squad logo.
So any player with A3Units or Squad XML logo, will be blocked.

I still don't fully understand this though, I cannot find where the files are sent to JIP players...
Ah nvm I found it.. oh man..
I want to redo all of this but there is no time

Okey....

If player joins, we ask every other player already on the server if they want the custom files, and if yes we transfer.
Once the new player is actually joined, he receives every other players files sent to them. We don't ask if they want them, they get them either way, even if they already have the files and don't need to retrieve them.

Man.. I gotta quickly close these files and stop looking at this..
I added a 10 second timeout for when clients don't respond, so that new connecting isn't being blocked..
Quick ducttape fix and walk along..

[tacit delta]

Huh! This explains why the magical solution of "Hey have you tried removing your unit? it always fixes it for me" worked xD

[whole cloud]

This bug btw.
Still is present.
But no-one else reported it since my fix. And my fix worked when I tested it.
But today new report of it still being there, and when I test my fix, it indeed doesn't work either.

[jagged swan]

Is the new CfgExtensions replace the Battleye whitelisting process ? Can we use dll's on clientside with this new verification ?

[light cargo]

see the ticket and related recent discussion in #dev_rc_branch
its validation not whitelisting replacement

[jagged swan]

Gotcha. Ty. It's a little sad that it's not a replacement. The Battleye whitelisting process still takes a long time

[light cargo]

you know, you don't have to use battleye ¯_(ツ)_/¯

[stark falcon]

could we get something like

class CfgExtensions {
    onlyAllowWhitelisted = 1; // Only allow extensions which are whitelisted in one of the config classes below

or I guess it could be a server setting, ie, clients know they have only loaded allowed extensions, and server requires that client flag to be set

[whole cloud]

I was thinking letting you set a load eventhandler, that runs on all extensions.
Then the script can "validate" others too

I don't know how that would be viable. A mod cannot decide that all other mods you have are updated and use the new system.

Servers can use allExtensions command to see whats loaded. And server can read CfgExtensions, and see if the loaded ones are in there.

[cold shale]

Hey, does anyone know if there's any reason that this might be causing hitches? I keep getting hitches in frametime, and upon running diag_captureSlowFrame ["total", "20ms", 500, false, 0]; in the profiling build several times, the only thing I can find is steamMngUStatsSt eating exactly 33ms. Is this something that might need to be investigated on my Steam client's end? Also, I only just noticed this now, but I recently surpassed the 7,000 hour mark in Arma; perhaps this is some kind of integer overflow or other bug triggered by the hours? For my test environment it's basically just an ammo box behind the Altis main airport, no mods and no complex mission scripts running.

[cold shale]

Should I post the .json file for Perfetto or would this be better discussed in #arma3_troubleshooting? I get the hitches on main branch, so not a profiling branch bug.

[whole cloud]

Its your steam client or steam API. But I don't know what to do about it
The profiling data itself will not give any more details.

[cold shale]

Would you happen to know what API call is being made that I could ask Valve about or look into further? "steamMngUStatsSt" renders zero results on Google, and only the year old message from JonBons when I search this Discord.

[whole cloud]

ISteamUserStats::GetStat
a couple hundred times, for all our stats
and ISteamUserStats::GetAchievement a hundred times for all our achivements

There is a subscoope called "staEval". Is that small?

[cold shale]

Alright, appreciate it. And I'm assuming these should return in microseconds or even nanoseconds?

[whole cloud]

yes

[cold shale]

One sec, lemme check.

[cold shale]

977 microseconds.

[whole cloud]

steamMngUStatsSt first calls GetStat/GetAchievement for all the things.
And then goes into staEval right after, running some scripts for achivement triggers

So all the steam stuff is between those

[empty goblet]

wonder if this (achievements / steam ui integration) could be disabled/fully skipped via some commandline startup switch to see if it solve some of performance / hitchup / stutter w/e

[whole cloud]

Probably

[light cargo]

if only there's a nosteam parameter that disables workshop but still allows for multiplayer to work

currently if steam is not available you can only play singleplayer

mostly turns into a paperweight game

[whole cloud]

Aha. Interesting.

[heady plinth]

i'm confused. do you mean if steam is offline? how do you play online without steam in the first place

or do you mean if by magic steam is not installed but arma is?

how could that possibly happen. hmm

[light cargo]

if you're on a steam client older than the steam api support included in the game it will function but without a steam connection

[whole cloud]

Maybe update your steam client then

[quaint flame]

But he's running windows 98

[split wigeon]

I'm glad arma 3 will die alongside steam and won't outlive it

[minor epoch]

wat

[whole cloud]

Take the bullshit talk to some other Discord.

[split wigeon]

what "wat" ? If steam ever goes offline, you won't be able to play the online part of the game.

[minor epoch]

Yes you will, lan still exists, and so do services like zerotier and hamachi - infact arma 3 is one of the only few games that you can do so with

Also if steam goes down we've got plenty of other issues, so this is just a nothingburger buddy

[light cargo]

not necessarily true

[empty goblet]

direct connect exists ... you can do lan play over tunnel/vpn etc.

also it shows how young you are, Arma already went thru death of MS DirectPlay and GameSpy 🤣 and ironically you can still play ACWA, A1 and A2, A2OA in MP

[silk pewter]

18 years of Steam, I would not call that young, no offense 😛

[empty goblet]

well, he act like that ... maybe memory loss ... still younger acc than mine

[light cargo]

i found if steam client connection is not possible that part gets messed up

cant join servers nor host

[short hinge]

Been having a lot of crashing issues with our unit who are using the profiling branch (no crashing with the default public version when we tested). Crash is caused by reloading with ammo in the gun (no crash when loading from empty). Spearhead M1 Garand & Carbine were the two guns that we tested that consistently crashed.

[heavy vortex]

Spearhead does some weird shit with fake magazines to change reload anims, IIRC. Might be related.

[short hinge]

We are running mods so it might just be a specific mod having issues with profiling although we weren’t having any issues with it last week.

[unborn urchin]

can confirm it on my end too

I'm gonna guess it's caused by us 'breaking' the reload prior to running the new reload animation, this caused crashes in the past but was fixed

[unborn urchin]

ok tried with V63, no crash, V64, crash and v66 crash

[unborn urchin]

this is wrong it seems to be currentZeroing breakign it again

im double checking but the game seems to crash when the script runs currentZeroing

yeah - no crash when I remove the zeroing check

that's odd

just player currentZeroing [primaryweapon player]; causes the game to crash in vanilla

[short hinge]

Nice that you found the cause. Hopefully an easy fix

[weak panther]

I was in commander seat, every time my gunner changed the magazine (reloading after shot or via action menu) my zeroing was reset to "default". I got this in mp koth, haven't noticed this before.

When I use zeroing on the commander's weapon using the rangefinder, after my gunner reloads, my zeroing gets reset. This happens when crew is player, can't get it with the AI

[whole cloud]

But I thought I fixed currentZeroing in ...... Oh wait thats an alt syntax is it?

Don't tell me I forgot to copy-paste the fix

I wanted to unify the two functions because they are almost the same code, but I didn't actually do it.. I should've

[unborn urchin]

I was confused too and initially ignored zeroing being the issue till i narrowed it down to it

[empty goblet]

1.54.134596 profiling & performance v21 server and client, windows/linux

• more logging to track unfixed crashes
  https://www.dropbox.com/sh/582opsto4mmr8d8/3BSy9PdRGm

[stoic pulsar]

I have a specific technical suggestion that I believe could dramatically improve FPS in dense urban areas, with no downside for modern hardware.

The Problem:
Currently, Arma 3 does not automatically aggregate non-instanced static objects . In a city, every lamp post, trash can, fence segment, and chair is sent to the GPU as a separate draw call. As explained in the BI Wiki, each "section" (material/texture combination) requires its own draw call, and this is multiplied by lighting and shadow passes .
When a player enters a large city (e.g., Kavala or Pyrgos), the CPU becomes bottlenecked issuing 10,000–20,000 draw calls per frame, not by rendering polygons. Modern GPUs are starved waiting for instructions.

The Solution (Enfusion already has this):
Implement automatic mesh aggregation / batching for static objects at load time or in the background.

Instead of 200 separate draw chair commands, the engine should detect that 200 identical chairs near each other use the same material/section.

It should then merge them into a single, larger mesh (or a single instanced draw call) automatically.

The BI Wiki explicitly states: "Unfortunately Arma doesn't aggregate non-instanced objects automatically like some other engines do" . Enfusion (Arma Reforger/Arma 4) likely already does this.

Why this would help Arma 3 specifically:

CPU bottleneck fix: This would cut CPU render thread overhead in cities by 50-70%.

No content rework: Modders and BI don't need to manually merge objects into single P3Ds. The engine does it.

AI benefits: Freed CPU cycles could be used for AI simulation, which the 2.20 update started optimizing .

Implementation idea:
Use the existing "section" system as a grouping key . At map load, iterate through all static objects within a spatial grid (e.g., 50m cells). For each unique section (material set), merge all meshes in that cell into a single vertex buffer. Update culling to work on the merged bounds. This is standard practice in Unity, Unreal, and even the Frostbite engine.

I understand Arma 3 is a legacy codebase, but the Enfusion job system was successfully backported . Could the batching system be backported as well?

Thank you for your continued support of this game.

TL;DR: Please add automatic mesh batching for static objects in cities to reduce draw calls from 15k to 3k. This would double FPS in urban combat.

[heavy vortex]

I don't think mesh merging within cells would work because a) The objects aren't static enough (damage effects) and b) p3ds are demand-loaded.

Other types of object instancing might work. The cities certainly do have heavy re-use.

[whole cloud]

Instead of 200 separate draw chair commands, the engine should detect that 200 identical chairs near each other use the same material/section.
It does, if they can be instanced.

This would cut CPU render thread overhead in cities by 50-70%.
But.. we don't really care because the render thread just needs to finish before the simulation thread. And it does.
So it would not improve FPS noticeably

Freed CPU cycles could be used for AI simulation
No.

Could the batching system be backported as well?
I don't think you know how this stuff works. Enfusion uses a scene graph

This would double FPS in urban combat.
lol.
You can't even double FPS by turning all 3D rendering off. Are you a magician?

1 is what decides your framerate (hint, its not the render thread)
2. Is the render thread.
3. Is part where we submit to render thread, some time could be saved there with better instancing

Main thread in this scene is waiting for render thread for 2ms, the 3. is 1.4ms.

At most we could save like 2.5ms
That gets me from 53.4fps up to.. 61.7fps!
A whole +8 fps! Almost double!

If instancing is not active on streetlamps, its a configuration problem.
Maybe they have animations when they shouldn't.

[heady plinth]

aren't trees and such instanced?

[whole cloud]

All static objects, with non-changed textures/materials and no animations, should be

[heady plinth]

yeah. I remember that for example walls with auto-slope to terrain can't be instanced and thus they increase performance drain

basically every sloped object is its own unique object.

[whole cloud]

Surely there's some diag_enable command that tells you about object rendering and instancing.

[heady plinth]

yeah, but i'm too lazy to check. all i really remember was that it works with trees :p

frequent = 1 property in geo lod

[stoic pulsar]

Got it, thanks for the clarification. What are your plans for optimizing the simulation thread in cities? Or is this already the limit for Arma 3

[quartz rampart]

could be related that you can "shoot out" streetlamps?

[whole cloud]

The light emitter itself is separate

but when the texture changes yes. But they should be able to instance while their texture is normal. Unless the destroyed texture change is actually an animation

[whole cloud]

No plans

[quartz rampart]

🤔 ok was just a thought

[whole cloud]

I haven't looked into any "why is this not instanced"
Because the impact is quite low compared to all the other stuff

[quartz rampart]

yeah all good 😄

the performance improvements we got the last few years is more then i could have imagined 😄

[heavy galleon]

Acting like you tried them bet you haven't played A3 in years at this point

[median belfry]

Regarding the rendering topic, I once tested something in the editor: I placed thousands of a custom object within a 100 meter radius. The static object had an empty LOD (0 polygons) with the frequent flag enabled.

Even though the objects had no geometry, my FPS dropped downtown.

When I used hideObject FPS immediately returned to normal, which makes sense since the objects are removed from the rendering queues.

What I found interesting was how the Object detail setting affected performance:

• On Low, I regained a lot of FPS
• On Standard, performance dropped again

This made me think that the setting likely controls the distance at which objects are considered for rendering or at least submitted to the render pipeline / queues

Also I assume the frequent property in the P3D might only apply to baked objects.

the input Im giving here is probably not useful but it was a interesting experience

[restive pilot]

was the game spamming the rpt or something?

[quaint flame]

So I am trying my luck with conditionScript for context menu item but I can't get them to work

class ENH_ResetDefaultLayer
{
    action = QUOTE([false] call ENH_fnc_toggleDefaultLayer);
    text = "Reset Default Layer";
    conditionShow = "hoverLayer * script";
    opensNewWindow = 0;
    wikiDescription = "Resets default layer.";
    conditionScript = QUOTE(call ENH_fnc_getDefaultLayer != -1);
    // conditionScript = "false";
    // SHOW_IN_ROOT;
};

Just to make sure, this is the correct configuration?

[whole cloud]

https://github.com/WolfCorps/wolf_modules/blob/main/addons%2Fwolf_modules%2FMissionTransition%2Fconfig.cpp#L73

[quaint flame]

script1?

is there script2? 😄

I guess this is somehow related to custom connections?

[silk pewter]

theCarScript.sqs

[quaint flame]

Dedmen. Can you on monday check what's the difference between the simple expression that start with hover* vs. selected* afaik one cannot open the context menu without selecting an entity first.

Also there are a few expressions that I don't know what they do.

selectedObjectAttached
selectedObjectAgent
hoverObjectAttached
hoverObjectAgent
hoverFolder (There is hoverLayer, so dunno what's the difference)

[whole cloud]

I think folder is a legacy name

Afaik it is what it should be, under cursor vs selected

Is possible that right click auto selects and its not possible for them to be different

[quaint flame]

Ok. That's what I thought.

[median belfry]

no , not at all

[obsidian relic]

Reloading P08 Luger from Spearhead causes hard crash with profiling branch, issue doesn't exist with stable branch.
How to reproduce - Launch arma with sprearhead loaded, place AI with luger, reload - 100% repeatability
I have used send report thingy but I can also provide full dump

[short hinge]

#perf_prof_branch message yeah, they are aware of it

[worn obsidian]

thx, which unfixed crashes?

[quaint flame]

Simple Expressions don't support any lazy eval right?

hoverObjectVehicle * {script1} would be neat

[stoic pulsar]

And if we think about it this way, what is really the main killer of performance?

[minor epoch]

Bad sqf 😄

(Only half joking)

Id say it depends on context entirely 🤷

Arma 3 already runs better (when you consider how much it simulates and what it does) than most modern games do, which may not be high bar but hey

[light cargo]

old bandaided unoptimized engine

[proud cape]

i think that would be something to ask dedmen however i belive Kharos is right in saying that it depends on context

and theres nothing to gain beating the old engine

[ember owl]

I also feel like it's a pretty broad question. Are we talking about client, network, server or just Arma as a whole? Lots of different ways to approach that 😄

https://community.bistudio.com/wiki/Code_Optimisation
https://community.bistudio.com/wiki/Mission_Optimisation
https://community.bistudio.com/wiki/Arma_3:_Simple_Objects
https://community.bistudio.com/wiki/Arma_3:_Performance_Optimisation

[tawdry gazelle]

Hi, mimalloc for Arma 3 v2.3.1 and v3.3.1 has just released.
Any test result and feedback is welcomed!
https://github.com/GoldJohnKing/mimalloc/releases

[void badger]

Any notable differences between 2.3 and 3.3?

[empty goblet]

the one which needs -crashDiag 😉 (animation/file/data alike corruption)

[tawdry gazelle]

It's said by microsoft that v3 consumes less memory than v2. My test shows v2.2.3 performs a little bit better than v3.2.3. I have not carefully compared testing v3.3.1 and v2.3.1 yet.

[nocturne obsidian]

1.56 TMW

with all these crashes ?

do you not care about your servers at all ?

cos it sure does not feel lik eit

@hallow yew dave you tried this yet ?

[hallow yew]

No bud, not really been at my pc much today so didn't want to test

[nocturne obsidian]

i too scared

they seem to be getting worse perf from perf

[hallow yew]

I had 6 crashes on v20, if that hadn't happened I may of dipped my toe into v21

But if 1.56 is out tomorrow, it doesn't matter right? ¯_(ツ)_/¯

[nocturne obsidian]

yea

they really care about us

crash crash crash oo new patch

tbh sometimes i wish i never started a arma server

i really do

so glad were dedicating all our dev team to UE4 Game

we had 2 epic devs answer our ticket after 2 hrs

with code samples the works

[hallow yew]

Running an Arma server is a game itself

Will it break?
Is there an alternative command?
Is faster better?
Is slower better?
IS @empty goblet eating all the chocolate? 😛

[nocturne obsidian]

even offered to run our build on there test system to show us where we can make improvements

[whole cloud]

Yes

[whole cloud]

Probably but won't

[whole cloud]

yeah....

The alt syntax copy paste also has a bug. When using FCS zeroing, it returns a number even though it should return an array.
That's not documented on wiki.

When copy pasting its a simple oversight.
When I change it to do it properly, I can't even miss that, because its a compile error.

The copy paste has another bug
The same validation is done 3 times, and the compiler even flags a warning for it.

In the non-array syntax this was fixed, but not in the copy..

And another.
There was a crashing issue with FCS zeroing.
The main syntax got a check for it to fix it by at least returning -1 instead of crashing.
The alt-syntax still has the bug

80 lines of code gone, 4 bugs fixed..

[patent sky]

Less code = less bugs?
I have an idea 🙂

[whole cloud]

less code = fewer bugs*

bugs are a countable thing

(Finally get a chance to use something my Schools mostly useless english lessons taught me)

[silk pewter]

YOU WRITE "alot" !!!

[whole cloud]

I did say mostly useless!

It was actually very alot useless

[silk pewter]

amma drive 635 km and slap you in the face with a moist, flaccid baguette

[quaint flame]

Is that how your gf describes your best part?

[silk pewter]

what is a gf?

[quaint flame]

Right or left hand, depends

[idle valve]

If you down launch any of the ARMA executables, You'll run into very little bugs 🙂

[silk pewter]

these are my side chicks

[pallid pebble]

we just turn arma 3 into one of those text based rpgs

[analog acorn]

You are in a field.
>look around
You see a man - 100m - front

[silk pewter]

You see a flash - you are dead.

[heady plinth]

but the trick is, that man - 100m - front, is actually behind you

[light cargo]

lol

[leaden relic]

https://tenor.com/view/sospechoso-suspizcaz-chicken-judging-you-gif-17495234

vSix-Seven

[light cargo]

weird, was that discord?

[proud cape]

https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEi4udVHuXDgP16rVcCbjQ34AVYDuSgVAX4Bb2Ofa3n8pWVjAELrDn-hN5VJFOycKxuNvp9IPtvbGsBLMjva0iY5Wh9l8Nq4mVIHzAhAQkKVNBoxCs7tC1ubEghTtAjBbFhhKTDpbIVAIhc/s1600/ALOT2.png

[fallow sky]

Am I the only who can't login with direct connect from multiplayer menu ? I have to direct connect from launcher since last update

[whole cloud]

[whole cloud]

Where does it break?

Server does not show in list? Password wrong?

[fallow sky]

direct connection, i can't login and no server showed despite being online

but works from game launcher

[whole cloud]

So the server does not show

[fallow sky]

yeah only since last update

[whole cloud]

Fucking hell man

[fallow sky]

huh

[whole cloud]

The linux build failed because GCC like to be a problem.
So I made a quick fix to just fix the build and didn't test it.
And changed it from "Try to ping the server and list it" to "Don't try to ping the server"

[fallow sky]

Seems fair (i didn't understand a shit)

[whole cloud]

Fix in an hour or so (╯°□°)╯︵ ┻━┻

[tight tulip]

we can i call the Support?

[silk pewter]

https://tenor.com/view/lotr-so-you-have-chosen-death-chosen-death-lord-of-the-rings-gif-15767548

[tight tulip]

???

[silk pewter]

"we can i call the Support"
what do you mean, do you have an issue?
#arma3_troubleshooting / #reforger_troubleshooting

[tight tulip]

i need Gamesupport

[whole cloud]

I believe you

[whole cloud]

I fucked it up again. Another ~40 minutes

[proud cape]

classic GCC

[willow vault]

Inventory stuff on ground doesn't move around when you pick up other things, right?

[feral harness]

dunno about that but that is not it

[willow vault]

😔

[ember owl]

https://tenor.com/view/dale-walking-dead-i-know-what-kind-of-man-you-are-gif-3136629546574604277

[patent sky]

Published now

[fallow sky]

Back to normal. Working fine, thanks!

[quaint flame]

You can pick up all weapons now without directly looking at the launcher to pick it up

[willow vault]

thank you

[pallid pebble]

thank you for blessing us with that fix

[feral harness]

Now that you mentioned it I might have fixed that too

[light cargo]

wow hdr video

[leaden relic]

What was fixed there?

[echo marten]

Meow meow, not sure if this is the right place to post this.

I noticed a small problem with the mini-map being placed half-off the screen. Only visible when joining the King of the Hill gamemode, was normal in 3den each time with squad leader as test.

So it could have nothing to do with profiling's code, but it was only apparently when switching to profiling which is why I mentioned it here.

No mods were loaded.

[echo marten]

Tested in Warlords official, and it is normal. So it's likely a KOTH specific bit of code

[carmine stump]

not only in koth, it happens sometimes to me

[empty goblet]

ye obviously we don't care, why you even here still complaining then ?

[pallid pebble]

laucher is part of the dead body inventory by default

[leaden relic]

Is it not currently?

[pallid pebble]

nope, not always

[feral harness]

Before, you either get rifle or launcher not both, which one depends on where you point when opening inventory. The weapon that you get also twitches when you open inventory. You should be able to test the improvements in the next prof probably.

[leaden relic]

Nice

[whole cloud]

The minimap can be moved in the game settings. Maybe you did that?

[light cargo]

i think someone also reported this days ago, it's getting unintentionally misplaced by the game

[whole cloud]

#perf_prof_branch message
This

Oh I still have that in unread DMs

[empty goblet]

mimalloc 2.3.1 / 3.3.1

[knotty wraith]

Excuse me for my audacity, this is already more than I ever dreamed of..
Thank you very much for the improvements you have already made, they are greatly appreciated, and while you were looking into related mechanics I wanted to mention another situation that might be worth considering, because when multiple bodies lie very close together or overlap it can be difficult to access the correct inventory, so perhaps it would be useful to provide an alternative way to access nearby inventories, for example an additional slot in the gear interface for the closest body or even a merged virtual container that allows interaction with all items on the ground at once, I experimented with this idea some time ago using a script but set it aside, and I thought it might be interesting to share in case you decide to expand this functionality further.

player addEventHandler ["InventoryOpened", {  
    params ["_unit", "_container"]; 
    player removeAllEventHandlers "InventoryOpened";  
    ffabox = "CUP_BOX_RU_WpsSpecial_F" createVehiclelocal [0,0,0];  
    ffabox hideobject true; 
    clearWeaponCargo ffabox;  
    clearMagazineCargo ffabox;   
    clearItemCargo ffabox;   
    clearBackpackCargo ffabox;  
    ffabox allowDamage false; 
     ffabox setPosASL (player modelToWorldVisualWorld [0,1.5,0.5]);  
     player action ["Gear", ffabox]; 
      systemchat str ((player nearSupplies 5 select {_x != ffabox && _x != player}) apply {typeof _x});  
     true; // <-- inventory override  
}]; 
 
player addEventHandler ["InventoryClosed", {  
    params ["_unit", "_container"];  
    deleteVehicle ffabox; 
    ffabox = nil; 
    player addEventHandler ["InventoryOpened", {  
        params ["_unit", "_container"]; 
         player removeAllEventHandlers "InventoryOpened";  
         ffabox = "CUP_BOX_RU_WpsSpecial_F" createVehiclelocal [0,0,0];  
         ffabox hideobject true; 
         clearWeaponCargo ffabox;  
         clearMagazineCargo ffabox;   
         clearItemCargo ffabox;   
         clearBackpackCargo ffabox;  
         ffabox allowDamage false; 
          ffabox setPosASL (player modelToWorldVisualWorld [0,1.5,0.5]);  
          player action ["Gear", ffabox]; 
          systemchat str ((player nearSupplies 5 select {_x != ffabox && _x != player}) apply {typeof _x}); 
         true; // <-- inventory override  
    }]; 
}];

[plain trout]

other people have this and everyone of these was running JSRS, are you running it?

[carmine stump]

no, it happens running only cba

[nocturne obsidian]

if i was complaining ill complain

im here to share you crash logs as you asked

having a rant with my mate dave about server crashes is more than just

im sure its not all roses over there

but you can understand the pure fear of you updating arma when were still left with crashes on perf21 ]

[echo marten]

Nah no mods running

[echo marten]

I did it, but it is offset off screen only sometines

[empty goblet]

i said many builds ago not all crashes will be fixed in 1.56 and that will be taken care of in 1.58 per/prof builds

[quartz rampart]

this would be new to me. in JSRS we dont touch any that could cause that.

[hexed sleet]

Old JSRS or JSRS 2025?

[stoic pulsar]

By the way, I was very interested in whether an unfinished vehicle from some mod could affect performance?

[empty goblet]

for example i need some crashdumps and logs on the v21 with negative autoarray (like avka has on BIForum, for now last from him was v20)

[plain trout]

Ok. The only 2 people that reported it before had JSRS running.

[opal hound]

Oh I meant to check if the lnb stuff was fixed, I didn't see a changelog for it

[whole cloud]

ssilent fixed

[feral harness]

Unfortunately this is not currently possible as the inventory is designed to deal with one corpse at a time. Dead unit drops weapons in separate weaponholders, if you point to a weapon it finds the dead body that dropped it and opens their inventory, if you point at dead body it opens their inventory. This is as good as it gets

[whole cloud]

The GPS thing is interesting.- I did a change to RscCustomInfoAirborneMiniMap (The minimap for aircraft) 3 weeks ago.
But, that is a data change that prof doesn't get, and it only landed on dev yesterday and its aircraft only, not ground vehicles.
I don't remember any other change for minimaps

First report was on 04.04. The previous prof was on 02.04. That prof was published two hours after I did that minimap change whut

No relevant changes in v63, v62, v61, v60, v59..
@left eagle @echo marten Do you know when you first observed it?
Jellyfish asked if we "already know" so I assume its been going on for a while before that?

Holy shit I can reproduce the problem in editor.. The heck

[whole cloud]

While player is in vehicle.
The vehicles display manager renders the map "DefaultVehicleSystemsDisplayManagerLeft"
Which has a position configured in config, of -0.575909138, 0.569090903

If player is on foot, the players manager renders it.
"DefaultVehicleSystemsDisplayManagerLeft" at -0.696750283, 0.569021881

Its the same classname.. but it has a different position?

class DefaultVehicleSystemsDisplayManagerLeft
{
    x="(profilenamespace getvariable [""IGUI_GRID_CUSTOMINFOLEFT_X"",    (safezoneX + 0.5 *             (            ((safezoneW / safezoneH) min 1.2) / 40))])";
    y="(profilenamespace getvariable [""IGUI_GRID_CUSTOMINFOLEFT_Y"",    (safezoneY + safezoneH - 21 *             (            (            ((safezoneW / safezoneH) min 1.2) / 1.2) / 25))])";
};

Okey. My guess.
One of them is loaded VERY early at game start, before profileNamespace is ready. So it uses the default position.
The other is loaded at game start, when profileNamespace is ready.

The explains Jellyfish's video, when he gets into vehicle, the minimap moves to its default position, but keeps its changed width/height.
Also matches Nostromo's images. He manually moved the left display, to the bottom right. But when he gets into vehicle it pops back to the left default position

Also explains why most people don't notice, if they never change it from the default in the game settings, they never notice a change.

[whole cloud]

That broke quite a while ago.
When I optimized game startup speed, I moved vehicle preloading around, before profileNamespace was loaded.
And we didn't have any checks like "Reading profileNamespace before it's been loaded makes no sense" so I didn't see it 😄

[empty goblet]

systemChat str speed vehicle player;```

i received report that this returns values between -5 and +5 if sitting still in a vehicle

[quartz rampart]

https://tenor.com/view/funny-mood-gif-19423477

[carmine stump]

it was happening before this month for sure. I dont recall exaclty when it started, but it was some months ago.

maybe even almost 1 year.

[proud cape]

that optimization was several months ago

[echo marten]

I first observed it yesterday, downloaded the performance profiling via Steam

[light cargo]

that's fine, it was first reported before that, as dedmen figured out later

[echo marten]

Ah okay, all good :3

[left eagle]

Around September/October. That video I sent you was from October but I had noticed a while before that, just never bothered to clip it.

[nocturne obsidian]

ok

ill try to capture some logs tmw when im online

so what can we expect 156 to run like ?

[whole cloud]

Wonder what happens if we take this, and move it over there 🤔

https://klipy.com/gifs/paragwontbms-9--k01KPZJ88Y5RTNRTFGH6NW98BGS

[empty goblet]

anyone else replicated it?

[heady plinth]

any vehicle?

[empty goblet]

Black Wasp, stationary on the ground, I was running the script command from the pilot seat, On the Salt Flats in Altis

[heavy vortex]

Hmm. Parked planes have been hopping around a bit lately. Not sure if new.

We spawn them in hangars and sometimes they nuke themselves when cycling simulation.

Can't replicate that case in SP or MP hosted though

[vale shoal]

I have found a similar issue with pylons, but I don't know exactly if it's a me problem or a general one, or if it's even a new problem (because I believe it worked weeks ago).

I use a vehicle (Mi-48) and change pylons 1 and 4 to the driver turret and also the magazines via setPylonMagazine (no remoteExec). Vehicle and both [0] and [-1] turrets are local to me (checked with turretLocal), but yet even after well over 15 minutes the server (via getAllPylonsInfo) has no clue that I changed the pylons 1 and 4 to the driver turret. What the server instantly knows are the changed magazines on both pylons.

[nocturne obsidian]

http://puu.sh/ncvuh/65ec1f0f86.png

crash client

[whole cloud]

Magazines are replicated like all normal magazines are. With pylon as visuals tacked onto them.
But I don't know how the turret assignment works 🤔

[leaden relic]

Can't wait for next build

[vale shoal]

Hm, but are you possibly able to identify if there is an issue with pylon turret? Maybe as an additional info. Vehicles spawned in with different turret assigned weapons are equal on both client on server (with and without the vehicle being local to a player).

[light cargo]

why? a build just dropped and you're already looking forward for the next build? what's missing here for you?

[patent sky]

6️⃣ 9️⃣

[whole cloud]

Another of those questions 😄

[tawdry gazelle]

mimalloc for Arma 3 v2.3.2 & v3.3.2 is released. Please have a try.
https://github.com/GoldJohnKing/mimalloc/releases/tag/Arma-3-v2.3.2-20260430
https://github.com/GoldJohnKing/mimalloc/releases/tag/Arma-3-v3.3.2-20260430

[quaint flame]

100 to 114?

[empty goblet]

seems that fixed the small performance drop from previous build and in some cases increased the performance by same amount extra on top

[slender lagoon]

yup, they seem to be more stable but i dont see any performance improvement compared to the previous ones, but im gpu bound anyways.

[empty goblet]

1.56.134636 profiling & performance v0 server and client, windows/linux

• the usual sync with stable
• additional crash fixes , yet the hunt continue (-crashDiag still has use)
• Fixed: Possible crash in Voice-Over-Net technology (http://feedback.arma...ew.php?id=27974)
  https://www.dropbox.com/sh/582opsto4mmr8d8/3BSy9PdRGm

[whole cloud]

via setPylonMagazine
That command doesn't exist.
setPylonLoadout probably.

I can't see sync for turret. I don't think this ever worked.
So should also be broken in 2.20..

The new non-weapon pylons, do have turret sync. I think this might also be applied to weapon pods.
But you can only get that on 2.21 dev-branch. Did you try it there?

Why do you even reply to Rook's post about ammo fill assignment.
How is that even at all related to your turret issue. Doesn't seem similar at all

[vale shoal]

setPylonLoadout, yes. Was a bit too early that day.

Ah no, I tried my testing only on prof (client & server).

After reading Rooks text again, I probably was referring myself to getAllPylonsInfo might having an issue.

[whole cloud]

Whoevers headless client is constantly crashing in their "A3SExtension_x64.dll", please stop. Thank you
"Arma 3 Survival" something. HttpRequestException.

[honest fulcrum]

Can you blacklist their IP somehow?

[inland breach]

I will notify the owner if he hasn't seen it yet

[median belfry]

Hahahaha I realized it earlier and was like hopefully it dosent bother dedmen too much 😂

[fair swan]

Has anyone experienced any issues when standing underneath / inside bushes and zooming in?

Strange square shadows are popping up and flickering for me occasionally

[weak panther]

Unable to open RPG accessories if open body's inventory, works ok if open body inventory via aim right at RPG

[knotty wraith]

And it seemed to me that you can't put a grenade launcher in your slot without ammunition...

[feral harness]

bummer

[fiery crescent]

Dedmen, for past several perf versions I get server crashes, I asked you before and you stated that this is difficult to solve, not sure if recent crash is the same or new issue. This is on latest perf: Crash GUID: 5acefa6e-1da4-46f2-879f-d717dd25a29f
It only happens on one of my servers and the main difference between this server and other is the Vcom mod. I may have to remove it to see if that's infact the cause of the crashes. Can you share your opinion regarding this crash if you happen to have time to look at it.

[frosty heath]

is there any way to replace the broken model paper-car placeholder via config

[leaden relic]

No

[frosty heath]

theres absolutely no way to reconfig it to go to an empty p3d?

brutal

[heady plinth]

that would defeat the purpose of the model

[frosty heath]

purpose of the model is to prevent crashes as far as im aware

empty p3d still accomplishes this

the same as the paper car does

[unborn urchin]

no it doesn't because the p3d being empty can cause crashes

[frosty heath]

could just add the bare minimum so that it's effectively invisible (or at least less visible than what we have now..)

it doesnt really matter if I cant even change the p3d via config so theres no point in thinking about it

[unborn urchin]

just make a mod that has an 'empty' p3d for the path of missing models

[opal hound]

Well

If you can override CfgCoreData the model is set in there, I'm not sure if that affects the empty model replacement
I'm also not sure if it will break certain commands that use it

[frosty heath]

already tried iirc

you're talking about where it defines like papercarblabla = papauto.p3d

[opal hound]

Yes

[frosty heath]

on my phone but you get the gist

yea I tried that and sadly didn't work

[unborn urchin]

messing with that will probably just break positioning script commands/engine stuff

as that's what papercar is used for

[opal hound]

Probably, unless you can get an "empty" p3d with the same dimensions

[unborn urchin]

it's most likely a hard coded path change, if can't open x path then use papauto.p3d

far better off putting effort into either
A) making it so the models actually exist/the path is correct
B) failing A, make a mod that puts a dummy in the path the game is looking for

[frosty heath]

can you even do b without duplicating the entirety of a3data_f

[unborn urchin]

I don't mean like that

[opal hound]

Yeah that seems to be the solution, it's just a lot more effort tracking them all down

[unborn urchin]

I just mean if you have a mod that has a broken/missing model you replicate the mods path and put a dummy p3d

[frosty heath]

ah my bad

Yea both of those are way too much since id have to do it for every mod I run that has issues compared to just replacing the paper car

Appreciate it though

[spiral pond]

does -debug log the missing p3d in question (with config class) ?

[opal hound]

it might even do it in non-debug but I forget what the message actually is

oh it's "Cannot open object"

[unborn urchin]

it always displays an on screen error and records it in RPT, regardless of debug

at least for the first time it tries to load it

[proud cape]

#perf_prof_branch message

[frosty heath]

I know, that discussion is over, it cant be replaced anyway

[fallow sky]

hey i'm having issue opening sqm, game instantly crashes when trying to open sqm. Tried on regular version and it works fine

[hexed sleet]

It might be useful to send it.

[shell lion]

Hi,
I’ve noticed that something isn’t right with the EnemyDetected group event handler. I can’t say for sure if it’s always been this way or if it started after an update.
It took me a while to figure it out. Now to the problem:

When you’re in a civilian vehicle as an enemy (e.g., BLUFOR), the enemy group’s event handler doesn’t trigger when an enemy is spotted. However, the enemy (the group) behaves as it should—it recognizes me as an enemy and reacts accordingly. Additionally, findNearestEnemy and targets work correctly; it’s just the event handler that doesn’t trigger. It works fine with military vehicles from non-civilian factions.

Im using the newest perf-branch.

[quaint flame]

Wasn't there a discussion recently about adding a command to overwrite turret stabilisation?

[analog acorn]

It's currently on dev branch https://feedback.bistudio.com/T162061

[quaint flame]

Ahhhh.. it's not on the wiki

And I kept reading the wrong changelogs.

I thought it was going crazy.

[whole cloud]

Sounds like you have multiple. But I only see one report from that server. And thats a crash I haven't seen before.

[whole cloud]

What kinda mods are you running.
Have not seen the paper car appear even once in the mods and terrains my unit is running.

[whole cloud]

Did you send the report?

[whole cloud]

I recently saw some code that special handles when taking over a vehicle of a different faction. Maybe related.
This code is a mess :/ I don't think there are recent changes, so probably been like that for a long time?

[fallow sky]

I didn't at first cause I didn't know it was profiling causing it
I just did it now

[shell lion]

Yeah, it's in the stable version too. I've noticed from time to time in my AI behavior scripts that something isn't quite right, and now I've just noticed it in my new project.
I'll just submit a feedback ticket, right?

[quaint flame]

😢

120 ms total just to open Attribute of a tank (modded)

[whole cloud]

Is that the 3DEN fix script that Brett I think has on his steam workshop? That fixes the attribute load times

[quaint flame]

yeah it is. Just wish this would get fixed in data

[light cargo]

maybe it could be shipped for 2.22

[whole cloud]

I assigned it to KK but he said it didn't make a difference

[quaint flame]

😢

[whole cloud]

The ticket is still open maybe I'll take it back and just push it

[quaint flame]

There are also some really slow attributes for units, sadly I don't see which ones

[rose lily]

Recently rebooted my PC and haven’t been on Arma 3 for a year or so. Last I remember was that there came out “hyperthreading” on the profiling branch, that did actually make a difference in my case.

Is this now on stable? Is there an up to date performance guide that I should follow, since all my settings are gone?

[light cargo]

you remember misinformation, -enableht and -threads arguments are not recommended, profiling branch had gotten some specific multithread related enhancements to certain parts but arma 3 has always been hyperthreading and multithreading compatible and capable.
profiling branch puts its successes into the next stable
most guides ill advise about setting unnecessary command lines like those
i dont have a handy link off the top of my head

[fallow sky]

@whole cloud I can imagine you have a lot of DMs but I sent you the crash report i was talking about when opening SQM

[whole cloud]

I saw. And yes you're on the pile

[whole cloud]

Most of it is on stable.
Don't set any settings.

[rose lily]

Appreciate it, so I assume I should just put on the profiling branch and it should be good?

Then fiddle a bit with graphics

[rose lily]

Alright!

[light cargo]

certainly

[whole cloud]

Any launcher settings*
In-game graphics settings are still relevant 😄

[cold shale]

I have a friend who nearly doubled his framerate by setting the -threads argument and the amount of CPU cores via the launcher, supposedly because he was on some old AMD CPU that Arma 3 thought was a dual core. Anyone know if that's been fixed? I'm not entirely sure what CPU it was, I think it was an AMD FX. I do believe the FX series has one floating-point core per two integer cores or some oddness like that that might have thrown the game engine off.

Other than edge cases like that I do agree that it's generally not a good idea to mess with the launcher settings unless you know what you're doing.

Speaking of launcher settings, I noticed while using the perf/profiling branch that there was an mimalloc DLL added to it. Is this a custom BI fork or is it the one from GoldJohnKing?

[light cargo]

its gjk's compiled by bi afaik

[patent sky]

I believe we're one version behind GJK now but yeah just his repo compiled ourselves and bundled with prof

[whole cloud]

We take what Windows tells us.
If windows wrongly thinks the CPU is a dual core, I'd assume he'd have bigger issues.

[heavy galleon]

yeah, using windows

[carmine stump]

and he went from 8 to 16fps!

[proud cape]

a year ago i was (not sucessfully at all) running arma 3 on an athlon 64 X2 1.9Ghz

[patent sky]

And even that runs 64 bit!
Yet still people complain when we talk about deprecating the 32 bit build 😂

[ember owl]

Running 32 bit in general in the big year of the big 26 is pretty crazy

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/664595285640609799/1391199838367912068/d6d6f316e98a46a2950132ba448acacd.gif

[silk pewter]

I believe it's usually Russian Windows 7 instances? (I mean… I hope for them it's not XP 😹)

[spice dirge]

underappreciated cult classic OS versions

[proud cape]

last year i was running windows 7 and honestly i miss it

[feral harness]

I still have it, it still gets updates

[light cargo]

you mean windows 10? or premium assurance program?

[whole cloud]

uhhhhhh

[quaint flame]

Almost as unstable as A3 Units

[whole cloud]

"TCAGame.vars.Arma3Profile"
The chances of me getting that obviously corrupted file so I can reproduce what the problem is, is probably close to zero.

[opal hound]

https://klipy.com/gifs/far-cry-3-vass-montenegro--k01KR14QPJMY6E2TQDAED2W3HX8

[heady plinth]

add the file to the automatic report and next time you'll have it :p

[whole cloud]

That is a good idea, but so complicated

I think I got it though, their config file root, has a base class with name "\x4". Thats impossible, so clearly corrupted. I'll just make the game kill itself

680 crashes, 180 of them are this one server

[whole cloud]

That server is/was also running a very old prof version. Does not bring me joy :sad:

[median belfry]

yea I was not working on it for some weeks, forgive me master

[silk pewter]

https://tenor.com/view/richard-attenborough-whip-whipped-whiplash-whiplashed-gif-16685949900343051341

[whole cloud]

I got another crash because entity's model was null. But why, papcar should be there :/
Sad.
Want to check logs to see what thing was broken there.

-noLogs
More sad.

[fickle geyser]

make noLogs do nothing on prof and dev :D

[restive turtle]

A lot of hosting services do noLogs by default

The egg for arma 3 for panels ik does

[whole cloud]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-gun-gif-8510554628372069925

[patent sky]

Pelican and Pterodactyl eggs have it set by default, no idea who decided not having logs was ever a good idea

[restive turtle]

Yes

Which means a lot of people run noLogs

[opal hound]

It was one of those snake oil performance tricks I think

Went unchallenged for so long its written down everywhere

[silk pewter]

it was useful for a bit iirc, then it got asynchronised and the trick became useless (but remained applied)

[analog acorn]

Probably some providers know their basic clients are going to run horrible Life configurations with spaghetti mods that generate huge logs 24/7, and turning off logs is easier than having to clean up several gigabytes of log files every week

[obsidian relic]

literally guy responsible for "tech" side of arma group i play in last week
"I suggest to disable logging -noLogs parameter as logging, especially the extended logging, eats quite a bit of resources." 😄

[opal hound]

Yeah it's in our onboarding too. I need to fight them on it

[obsidian relic]

If it would be said by dev(dedmen/anyone else) then it would help fight it, like a lot

[opal hound]

Eh I think most people who are listening to dedmen are in here and already aware
People still aren't reading the 2.20 guide which says to stop using cpuCount so

[knotty wraith]

I using cpuCount

[analog acorn]

I went looking to see if there was already a dedmen message on the subject and, well. mmm. maybe a fresh one would be better :U #server_admins message

[patent sky]

why?

[obsidian relic]

almost nothing changed since then :D, jokes aside, info for client/server about those things would help fight "snake oil" solutions that still appear (2.20 notes helped a lot)

[knotty wraith]

I don't remember the reason anymore... most likely, after hundreds of benchmark runs, I left this configuration

[analog acorn]

https://dev.arma3.com/post/oprep-performance-optimizations-in-220
You do not need to use the cpuCount parameter unless you specifically want to limit the number of cores in use. The game automatically uses as many cores as it can, so cpuCount doesn't make it use more.

[knotty wraith]

I'm not aware of any problems with cpuCount.

[fickle geyser]

PR time!

[knotty wraith]

I don't see any information that this will make the game worse... I remembered the reason! I had long problems with windows 11 and getting the P-cores to work correctly.

[patent sky]

Yea, noticed some other things so I'll prob make a PR with some stuff at some point

[light cargo]

less i/o from that
apparently console logging to disk can hurt performance especially on slower systems
and it's a lot of storage in the very long run

[proud cape]

would not be a bad idea at all

you're running the non production/stable binaries so you're obligated to provide/generate logs

[patent sky]

less i/o from that
i/o from logging is a joke, unless you run on a 20 year old harddrive with 100 badly made mods that spam RPT warnings hundreds of times per second

and it's a lot of storage in the very long run
I'm not saying you should keep them all

apparently console logging to disk can hurt performance especially on slower systems
I struggle to believe without that insane log spam i said above that same system will run a server anyway if it cant even handle a log file

[whole cloud]

unless
Not even then, the disk write is async.
Unless he means slowing down reads because disk is busy writing the log, but Modern Operating Systems are pretty good at prioritizing stuff.

[obsidian condor]

I have server logs going back to 2015 (but they are archived off the server...)

[heady plinth]

maybe someone made a mod to remove the car 😄

[silk pewter]

the car script

[quaint flame]

Steal the Car? 😮

[light cargo]

i have had a measurable but small performance impact on a low end system with source engine console logging spam

but i guess its unlikely to happen here

carry on

[heavy galleon]

Source engine sounds like a different game, really

[light cargo]

i know and understand that

just not too far fetched of a thought based on experience

but fair enough, it was done with much newer code design practices and optimizations but keep in mind the engine here is largely the same foundation from the ofp days

[light cargo]

some disk scenarios can potentially be like that, some disk/raid controllers quirks too and in cases of using a single drive for the os and game install

[light cargo]

the lot of storage part matters in very tight situations, culling/trimming rpts is manual and most are lazy
any system can be a server if you think hard enough
also probably insignificant too on networked environments albeit rare theres a remote minimal possibility that network performance can be affected, but i understand its insignificant and the experience citation i gave affected more the processor rather than the storage itself

[whole cloud]

culling/trimming rpts is manual
Its not.

Please stop talking crap. Go elsewhere please. Thanks.

[light cargo]

apologies, how many rpts are needed to see the game removing them?

[heavy vortex]

I remember you can clamp it to one by adding a lot of tiny files into the folder :P

Default limit is 10 IIRC

[ember owl]

I feel like if hardware limitations are bad enough logging causes issues- the solution would be to upgrade hardware

[heavy vortex]

There are some worst-cases where the RPT gets super-spammy and disk space becomes an issue. We had one where an object would be continually corrected due to being below ground.

Still not sure that's a performance problem though. The physics stuff is probably more expensive than the logging there.

[ember owl]

That's fair. We had an issue once where a dev wrote a waitUntil that errored on every frame. It took up storage, but performance wise no one noticed anything. I wanna say PRTs automatically get purged now but honestly can't say for sure.

[heavy vortex]

Also had a bug where the server was spamming logs in unscheduled until it hit the while loop 10k limit, and no-one noticed until we tried to open the RPT :P

That one was jamming the server for multiple seconds at a time so you might reasonably conclude that our player base is stoned.

[whole cloud]

We have things to make sure spammy things are not spamming. It then just logs "repeated N times in last N seconds". Just need to know which are spammy

[heavy vortex]

Yeah most of them do that. That one didn't, IIRC.

I'll see if I can dig up the message. We worked around the cause eventually.

[whole cloud]

If its the falling under ground one I know where to find it

[heavy vortex]

Yeah that one. Can't find an example atm.

[empty goblet]

paints memory of tens of GB rpt / log files 😁

[patent sky]

I'm not saying you should keep them all

[empty goblet]

the history is full of digital horrors

especially if you run public zeus server with script compositions

then you wish you had more than TB

where bad scripting is involved, you don't want to write logfiles ... let alone to see them 😁

and now when you realize lot of hosting barely used 120 GB SSDs (tho i remember even smaller)

[fiery crescent]

I removed VCOM mod, seemed ok for few days and got another crash: 03:08:27:968 CRASH REPORT : Report Result: - SUCCESS - Crash GUID: 9280bfc0-ff63-478c-af90-c3ba7364e103

[whole cloud]

PhysX objects cleanup 🤷

Seen that a couple times, but its one of those corrupted memory things with no way to see what caused it

[shell lion]

I've finally managed to report this bug.
Since this perf branch with the number 2.20.153671 (i.e., 3-4 versions before the current one), there has been a bug with dynamic groups.
The bug occurs in multiplayer when there is at least one player on the server.
I think it has to do with “Fixed: Many lnb* script commands were missing error messages for invalid arguments”

Here is an excerpt of the rtp error:

19:27:57 Error in expression <achIndex, 1], [1,1,1,1]];
_listbox lnbSetPictureColor [[_forEachIndex, 0], >
19:27:57 Error position: <lnbSetPictureColor [[_forEachIndex, 0], >
19:27:57 Error Typ Bool, erwartet Array
19:27:57 File \A3\Ui_f\scripts\GUI\RscDisplayDynamicGroups.sqf..., line 655
19:27:57 ➥ Context:
19:27:57 [] L1 ()
[] L3 (x\cba\addons\xeh\fnc_initDisplay.inc.sqf)
[] L77 (a3\functions_f\gui\fn_initDisplay.sqf)
[] L128 (a3\functions_f\gui\fn_initDisplay.sqf)
[] L130 (a3\functions_f\gui\fn_initDisplay.sqf)
[] L12 (\A3\Ui_f\scripts\GUI\RscDisplayDynamicGroups.sqf)
[] L115 (\A3\Ui_f\scripts\GUI\RscDisplayDynamicGroups.sqf)
[] L115 (\A3\Ui_f\scripts\GUI\RscDisplayDynamicGroups.sqf)
[] L12 (\A3\Ui_f\scripts\GUI\RscDisplayDynamicGroups.sqf)
[] L172 (\A3\Ui_f\scripts\GUI\RscDisplayDynamicGroups.sqf)
[] L172 (\A3\Ui_f\scripts\GUI\RscDisplayDynamicGroups.sqf)
[] L12 (\A3\Ui_f\scripts\GUI\RscDisplayDynamicGroups.sqf)
[] L371 (\A3\Ui_f\scripts\GUI\RscDisplayDynamicGroups.sqf)
[] L375 (\A3\Ui_f\scripts\GUI\RscDisplayDynamicGroups.sqf)
[] L375 (\A3\Ui_f\scripts\GUI\RscDisplayDynamicGroups.sqf)
[] L12 (\A3\Ui_f\scripts\GUI\RscDisplayDynamicGroups.sqf)
[] L606 (\A3\Ui_f\scripts\GUI\RscDisplayDynamicGroups.sqf)
[] L668 (\A3\Ui_f\scripts\GUI\RscDisplayDynamicGroups.sqf)
[] L648 (\A3\Ui_f\scripts\GUI\RscDispla
19:27:57 <-
19:27:57 [] L1 ()
[] L8 (A3\functions_f_mp_mark\DynamicGroups\fn_dynamicGroups.sqf)
[] L897 (A3\functions_f_mp_mark\DynamicGroups\fn_dynamicGroups.sqf)
[] L899 (A3\functions_f_mp_mark\DynamicGroups\fn_dynamicGroups.sqf)
[] L901 (A3\functions_f_mp_mark\DynamicGroups\fn_dynamicGroups.sqf)

[knotty wraith]

#arma3_feedback_tracker message

[hoary jolt]

Probably need to move this post but testing with 32GB of RAM 2.3.2 results in a lot of popping up of objects ingame, while 3.3.2 feels smoother but after 2 hours in game, it would CTD. This is with the current profile build.

I will retest with 64GB later.

[pallid pebble]

It subjectively feels like perf branch has gotten less stable recently

I've had a lot more freezing issues in the last 2 weeks compared to previously with varying modpacks
might just be up to something I broke on my end tho

[charred pagoda]

I had microfreezes every 5-10mins few updates ago, but still not sure it was related to arma, or smth else

[pallid pebble]

For me the game seems to freeze up completely for up to a minute more often but not regularly, sometimes I have to restart

[charred pagoda]

are u on the latest perf?

[pallid pebble]

Yep steam branch

[charred pagoda]

hm. I suspected g-sync and/or nvidia shadowplay aka instant replay were the cause.
do you have enabled these things?

[heavy galleon]

I didn't have any issues lately, everything was smooth sailing

[charred pagoda]

since then, updates have been released for both Nvidia, Windows, and perf branch itself, so problem is gone

[charred pagoda]

will rev 153745 be on profiling branch?

[opal hound]

Where did you get that number

[knotty wraith]

https://feedback.bistudio.com/T199168

[opal hound]

Ah

[whole cloud]

I did set up a mission with dynamic groups. With myself on a dedicated server. And I cannot reproduce this issue.
I can see it calling lnbSetPictureColor, with correct arguments, no errors.
What am I missing?

Ah needs two players on server.
Then _color = true, literally.

[opal hound]

16:53:34 ADDCUSTOMRADIO WARNING: channel not verified; DATA: c-6, n-10, clsync, i-0, s-10;
16:53:34 ADDCUSTOMRADIO WARNING: channel not verified; DATA: c-7, n-10, clsync, i-1, s-10;
16:53:34 ADDCUSTOMRADIO WARNING: channel not verified; DATA: c-8, n-10, clsync, i-2, s-10;
16:53:34 ADDCUSTOMRADIO WARNING: channel not verified; DATA: c-9, n-10, clsync, i-3, s-10;
16:53:34 ADDCUSTOMRADIO WARNING: channel not verified; DATA: c-10, n-10, clsync, i-4, s-10;
16:53:34 ADDCUSTOMRADIO WARNING: channel not verified; DATA: c-11, n-10, clsync, i-5, s-10;
16:53:34 ADDCUSTOMRADIO WARNING: channel not verified; DATA: c-12, n-10, clsync, i-6, s-10;
16:53:34 ADDCUSTOMRADIO WARNING: channel not verified; DATA: c-13, n-10, clsync, i-7, s-10;
16:53:34 ADDCUSTOMRADIO WARNING: channel not verified; DATA: c-14, n-10, clsync, i-8, s-10;
16:53:34 ADDCUSTOMRADIO WARNING: channel not verified; DATA: c-15, n-10, clsync, i-9, s-10;

Is this a profiling message?

[whole cloud]

The script file has color selection code TWICE.
The first one has a default value, the second one is almost exactly the same code copy pasted, except its missing the default..

[whole cloud]

Yes @feral harness
A repro would be nice

Something about creating custom radio channels

[opal hound]

hmm just some initial creation

(radioChannelCreate [[0.96, 0.34, 0.13, 0.8],'Command channel','%UNIT_GRP_NAME ' + '(%UNIT_NAME)',[],TRUE]),
(radioChannelCreate [[1,0.4,1,1],'Aircraft channel','%UNIT_VEH_NAME ' + '(%UNIT_NAME)',[],TRUE]),
(radioChannelCreate [[0.4,1,0.4,1],'Primary AO channel','%UNIT_GRP_NAME ' + '(%UNIT_NAME)',[],TRUE]),
(radioChannelCreate [[1,1,0.4,1],'Secondary AO channel','%UNIT_GRP_NAME ' + '(%UNIT_NAME)',[],TRUE]),
(radioChannelCreate [[1,0.4,0.4,1],'Alpha channel','%UNIT_GRP_NAME ' + '(%UNIT_NAME)',[],TRUE]),
(radioChannelCreate [[1,0.4,0.4,1],'Bravo channel','%UNIT_GRP_NAME ' + '(%UNIT_NAME)',[],TRUE]),
(radioChannelCreate [[1,0.4,0.4,1],'Charlie channel','%UNIT_GRP_NAME ' + '(%UNIT_NAME)',[],TRUE]),
(radioChannelCreate [[1,0.4,0.4,1],'Delta channel','%UNIT_GRP_NAME ' + '(%UNIT_NAME)',[],TRUE]),
(radioChannelCreate [[1,0.4,0.4,1],'Echo channel','%UNIT_GRP_NAME ' + '(%UNIT_NAME)',[],TRUE]),
(radioChannelCreate [[1,0.4,0.4,1],'Foxtrot channel','%UNIT_GRP_NAME ' + '(%UNIT_NAME)',[],TRUE])

I'll see what I can do about repro

[feral harness]

Thanks, we would need a repro, this is definitely an anomaly this is why it got logged

[whole cloud]

Is fixed, but its a script change, which won't land on profiling branch.

[whole cloud]

Last build was 725, this build is 752

[empty plover]

is the T198797 link intentionally twice?

[quaint flame]

Probably. Both related to server sided scripting roles.

[empty plover]

ok

[void badger]

Nice

[light cargo]

very nice release xd

yeah it means the ticket brought two features

[whole cloud]

It brought 3 features, the EH's I can easily combine, but combining command and EH's into one is annoying

[proud cape]

so theres a joke about 67 but not about 69?..... i hate the internet culture of today

[charred pagoda]

both

[proud cape]

i meant this xd

#perf_prof_branch message

[whole cloud]

I'm lazy today

[proud cape]

well, lazy days do happen

[whole cloud]

Too busy* I mean 🤣

[proud cape]

oh

yeah theres quite a difference between those 2 xd

[patent sky]

Its perfect 🥹

[heavy galleon]

that's... extra nice

[patent sky]

@opal hound just had to ruin it

[opal hound]

oh I see what you're doing

how about this instead

[heavy galleon]

the nices should also be 6767

or 6769

[silk pewter]

or 777777 999999

[tawdry gazelle]

What do you mean by popping up of objects ingame?

[light cargo]

probably means pop in, things showing up instantly from thin air in the user view instead of being already there beforehand

sounds like a bottleneck somewhere else, could be paging

[empty goblet]

it would be nice to see the compare of those 2 in video ...

[hoary jolt]

When playing, turn around 180, many objects, trees, buildings, POP out. It appears to be some kind of loading in or LOD issue, where it goes from no objects or the lowest quality and starts to load in the proper LOD/Textures.

I noticed this on CUP Chernarus 2020, with Extreme QUALITY Settings, BUT OBJECT and VIEWDISTANCE at STANDARD settings. 1600m limit.

3.3.2 does NOT do this on the same settings, same build (LAST PERFORMACE build before the update from yesterday).

I am back to using 227_20260203 for stability, no issues, same settings. I will run through all the mimalloc at the same location from 227 up to 332 again later and take screenshots of any differences.

This was with Win10LTSC, Steam, A3 launcher and ARMA 3 running. AFAIK, no other task was running. No Reshade, No DXVK.

I am unsure how to screencap video as I run ARMA 3 in a WINDOW ATM.

[foggy vine]

Hm. Yeah, noticed it slightly when I turn too fast in some spots, Chernarus 2020 too, though not substantially problematic for me as it's just a couple of trees in a distance within a fog

[light cargo]

just use obs, either window or game capture, should work, same with other software, playing windowed shouldn't be a problem to capture @hoary jolt

[quaint flame]

🥳

[vivid rune]

2.22 release in the next 5 weeks (+3d) confirmed.

[light cargo]

lol

[finite gyro]

I just got them now, what's going on 😄

[whole cloud]

Bohemias birthday

[fair swan]

Happy Birthday Bohemia

[finite gyro]

Oooh right

Happy birthday!

[light cargo]

happy existmas bi!!!!!

[idle valve]

2 Birthdays in a row, WWW

[naive osprey]

Intercept does not seem to load properly with dedicated server v69 - 2.20.153752
Seems to load properly with dedicated server v68 - 2.20.153725
No changes other than updating the branch version. Happens with or without any other launch params, and happens whether its the only addon loaded (with CBA as the requirement) or not. Seems to work fine with a client executable.

v69

 9:38:09 Initializing Intercept
 9:38:09 CallExtension loaded: intercept (D:\SteamLibrary\steamapps\common\Arma 3\!Workshop\@Intercept Minimal Dev\intercept_x64.dll) [] []

 9:38:09 Intercept initialization part 1/3: 1
 9:38:09 Error in expression <interceptRegisterTypes parsingNamespace>
 9:38:09   Error position: <parsingNamespace>
 9:38:09   Error Missing ;
 9:38:09 Error in expression <interceptRegisterTypes parsingNamespace>
 9:38:09   Error position: <parsingNamespace>
 9:38:09   Error Missing ;
 9:38:09 Intercept initialization part 2/3: any
 9:38:09 Intercept Loading Plugin: PLUGIN1
 9:38:09 Intercept Loading Plugin: PLUGIN2
 9:38:09 Intercept initialization part 3/3: Tried to call before initialization

v68

 9:41:11 Initializing Intercept
 9:41:11 CallExtension loaded: intercept (D:\SteamLibrary\steamapps\common\Arma 3\!Workshop\@Intercept Minimal Dev\intercept_x64.dll) [] []

 9:41:11 Intercept initialization part 1/3: 1
 9:41:11 Intercept initialization part 2/3: true
 9:41:11 Intercept Loading Plugin: PLUGIN1
 9:41:11 "Intercept: Load completed PLUGIN1"
 9:41:11 Intercept Loading Plugin: PLUGIN2
 9:41:11 "Intercept: Load completed PLUGIN2"
 9:41:11 Intercept initialization part 3/3: -1

[charred pagoda]

Tried missionHTTPDownloadBaseURL parameter.
Is it ok that Player-Name header contains some hash or smth instead of player name?

[opal hound]

Base64?

[charred pagoda]

oh, yes

And what mission-hash is? What algo used to calculate a hash?

[charred pagoda]

#perf_prof_branch message ok found

[feral harness]

Revision: 153779

[whole cloud]

Trying to escape all the characters that we cannot use there is just way too annoying. Base64 is simple way to pass it along without risk of it being missinterpreted.
But then we have the mission file name in there bare... mh.

But filename needs to correspond to filesystem limitations so it's probably already rid of bad characters. Unless you use a weird filesystem that allows quotes and linebreaks in filenames..

[patent sky]

• that'd be their own problem so
  but players could do whatever

[whole cloud]

Ah yeah, we just forward the name the client got from the server there ✅

[whole cloud]

Hatchet h60 😄
Of course, those guys push the engine to the limits.
I fixed the crash in todays prof though

[heavy vortex]

What's the fix? Ignoring the attachment attempt?

[whole cloud]

Only going a few levels deep instead of infinite until we're out of space

[whole cloud]

I won't get to it till monday

[naive osprey]

We can just run the older version, just hope a solution is found before next major update

[knotty wraith]

By the way… just between us, he doesn’t work on Mondays 😉

[fair swan]

Are any others seeing a lot of floating weapons near bodies using perf branch in MP? (For past few weeks)