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wide cedar
smoky halo
@dapper pivot skinning as in UV coordinates? yes
dapper pivot
@smoky halo As in vertex weights for bones.
I've been meaning to pull them out so that I can animate goats with a nicely skinned rig, but hadn't gotten around to it yet (it isn't in the ODOL wiki page).
wide cedar
that should be part of the selections in the individual lods
the last array, verticesweights
smoky halo
is always empty ๐
except for special LODs
you probably are looking for the data in VertProperty VertProperties[nProperties]; of VertexTable
that's what it is called in the wiki
limber cypress
Say i wanted to make a tool that would take the ammunition types from all thee 5.56 rifles and make them work in othere 5.56 rifles so that you would have guys with m4s from RHS able to swap mags with guys using m4s from robert hammer, how would i go about doing it?
vague shard
sounds more like a config job and not really sth you can achieve with a tool
limber cypress
so i would have to go through and eddit the configs on each of the weapons correct?
then either cross add the magazines into all the configs
or make a common shareable magazine
vague shard
you can use += for array now to append items
dapper pivot
(As long as the array was created in the class you are +=ing and not a base class)
wide cedar
error message example: http://puu.sh/oDTXX/558b86d589.png
vague shard
do you plan different error levels? it seems quite verbose (which is helpful in general). i find the formatting a bit hard to read - single line and the 2nd msg first might work better (where/what - details)
wide cedar
the second line was introduced for warnings, since you don't get the stack for those; i think i'm gonna get rid of them for errors
smoky halo
does that error even make sense? avfter colorText[ I would expect a ] and not a =. Did you mix that up?
wide cedar
naw, there was a space between the brackets
smoky halo
ah k
wide cedar
i guess binarize supports that
sullen badger
Can someone please work on a nice GUI editor, one that isn't an incredible pain in the ass to use! xD E.G, I'm building a UI that I need to size based on the backgrounds size, I add a RscPicture, set it up with my image required, go to place a RscText ontop and I can't see the text, I've played with the layering etc and it makes no difference
Full dialog: http://puu.sh/oFmQq/300b2c2704.png
After deleting the background: http://puu.sh/oFmRw/1c1f37cf7a.png
nocturne basin
@sullen badger that lil problem is actually an indexing problem
check F1 where you can change the z-index of the back
in regards of an UI editor ... its not as easy as you might think
would already have done that ... (as i hate that PITA of config work) ... but ... i yet have to find a solution i would enjoy in the UI design of the actual editor
sullen badger
Isn't that the layer order? Ctrl + L?
I'd love a nice photoshop style app to do this, would make life a lot easier
dapper pivot
Z order changes with focus too.
(IIRC)
Best way to do it is to nick the UI-scaling macro's that BIS use and do your UI based on approximate row/column counts rather than pixels.
nocturne basin
but anyway @sullen badger
your wish shall be my command
a tool shall be developed for this
vague shard
sullen badger
@nocturne basin I will have to send you many cookies if you do!
nocturne basin
im quite serious about this @sullen badger https://imgur.com/WiLEICE
thought ... this is just the basic UI
quickly thrown together
sooner or later it would contain shit like (eg.) moving windows from left to right side
or completly detaching them from current window
however ... right now the task is: parse arma configs
in the most basic way
after that: parse whatever is in the config text
and display it
then text highlighting
after that drag&drop elements
etc. etc.
so ... quite a lot of shit still left to do
and im currently quite slow due to frking hot room and me being more outside due to that
sullen badger
@nocturne basin I cannot wait to see what the end result is like, I log for the day I don't need to fire up ArmA's GUI Editor to make something, I was also serious about the cookies, although it may not explicitly be cookies you receive.
red pollen
Good luck X39! A GUI builder that takes a majority of the guess work out of creating GUIs is a godsend!
nocturne basin
then better hope for a rainy weekend @red pollen :3
besides ... if somebody has a simple config parser for C# i would appreciate ...
red pollen
need to read in a config and store the data to a dictionary?
nocturne basin
nope
the idea is: directly modify the config and render the config then just
changes made in the "designer" would be directly reflected inside of the config
red pollen
ah
nocturne basin
and then just redrawn
however ... for that i would need a fully mature config parser ... (at least for the extend i want to have that lil shitty thing)
which is kinda hard to write due to the ammount of work you have to put into it
the alternative would be a tokenizer
red pollen
got your project up in SVN?
red pollen
I don't mind helping out a bit
nocturne basin
feel free to do the config parser :)
there is quite a hell lot of work to be done inside of the UI ...
just gimme a sec
have to prepare a few things before the repo can go live
red pollen
how do you want to work with the parser? like ---
parser.ReadConfig(configText);
then...
nocturne basin
simple thing: it should take either a string or a stream
and provide me an object structure of the config
red pollen
got it
nocturne basin
there you go
but as said ... due to the good weather in last few days ... not much progress yet archived
nocturne basin
well ... i am right now creating a few tasks ...
though ... the roadmap will have way more shit in the longterm (eg. dragable windows ... i want the end-UI-editor to be pretty damn close to what Visual Studio looks like)
red pollen
You gonna use WPF?
nocturne basin
already using
nocturne basin
4.5.2
red pollen
alright
red pollen
just need to know so I don't use those fancy features
red pollen
Are you opposed if I use the new features?
nocturne basin
nope
red pollen
alright
nocturne basin
actually i dont care if you do or not
right now there is no coding guideline or whatever
its just "get shit done" mode
red pollen
Great
nocturne basin
in the end (alpha release), i will add license texts etc. to all code files (will be eg. the MIT license ... not sure which one was the one which allowed pretty much all as long as credits are given and no backfire is done)
so ... add your username already in some header comment :3
red pollen
alright
nocturne basin
cool ... so i now can focus on the framework thingy for the different controls
red pollen
public ICollection<ConfigClass> ParseConfig(string configContent)
this will be an endpoint
config classes contain properties and classes
properties are essentially key value pairs
will work out any kinks that I stumble across with this design
nocturne basin
well ... i already kill my head by thinking about how to implement the UI elements properly ....
red pollen
What's your steam name?
nocturne basin
/id/X39
but i am not rly active there currently
too many ppl want to talk with me ...
https://discord.gg/0arQM0FX6xt0iWm3 @red pollen
dawn palm
simple thing: it should take either a string or a stream
and provide me an object structure of the config
the API/SDK of depbo.dll provides that class structure * for_you(Unicode * FileName);
dawn palm
for ( RapClass * cls=rap->get_first(); cls;; cls=ls->Next() )
{
if ( cls->has_children()) do_whatever();
if you write the wrapper, i'll give you a free copy of the dll
nocturne basin
besides, if anybody can create a better image ... i would appreciate
https://imgur.com/8ybZ2wz
its the splash screen
quick intel about some other stuff in regards of the tool:
tool will support (name might be changed in future) AddIns which provide additional content in package-like folders (see Base AddIn: https://github.com/X39/ArmA-UI-Editor/tree/master/ArmA UI Editor/ExeResources/AddIns/Base )
AddIns can be created by anybody and will be toggleable inside of the app itself (AddIns are loaded & processed during Startup when splash screen is displayed)
at least when everything is done ...
nah ... wrangling my head around the native C# stuff when its not needed (parsing configs is not rly that hard actually ... at least when using a tokenizer :3) is PITA
but thanks for the offer @dawn palm
dawn palm
C# and mondo/(dot)Net are 'better' languages than c/c++. But i have no use for them, hence i don't provide wrappers.
nocturne basin
they are not better :)
they are just way WAY simpler if you want to create UIs
and as this application will create UIs for another application using a UI editor i have to implement with UI elements it is simpler to use C#
((somewhere in that sentence i got lost ... please return the thought i had home when you see him))
but will hop into bed now ...
dawn palm
I agree with the common sense stated above. I did say 'better'.
vague shard
JustSpeedy - Yesterday at 9:38 PM
hey guys, ive made a online sqf tool. thought some of you guys here might like it ๐ http://sqf.io/
im working on adding an sqm to sqf converter too atm
eagledude4 - Yesterday at 9:58 PM
is the source for the iseco encrypt/decrypt available somewhere?
JustSpeedy - Yesterday at 10:02 PM
i can give you my javascript function if you want?
eagledude4 - Yesterday at 10:03 PM
was looking for something in SQF
to use in my mission/server
from #arma3_scripting
wide cedar
great. we're doing obfuscation now?
nocturne basin
now? you are outdated @wide cedar
it also was one of the concerns i brought up a year ago
where you defended that crap (or somebody else ... could also be wrong blaming here)
wide cedar
yeah sure, just blame me
why would you even do that? the decryption method is right there...
as long as arma can read it, everyone else can
nocturne basin
obfuscation is not about encrypting
encrypting stuff in arma makes even less sense
obfuscation at least prevents that ppl "steal" your code as they do not understand without deobfuscating
still was a fun time to just annoy the KingOfTheHills dev. just for obfuscating his code
analyzed it for quite some time
found a security issue
and published that lil thing directly
obfuscation is just as wrong as encryption
and in regards of blaming you ... i had many fights here so i sometimes loose track about who i fought with
wide cedar
"fought with" is that what you call it when you write forum posts full of nitpicky shit?
nocturne basin
we start hitting the #offtopic_arma and/or #general_chat_arma stuff darling
wide cedar
in other news, armake can now derap configs
vague shard
@wide cedar posted in because of the decryption/deobfuscation features it also offers and the formatting/code beautifying features (http://convert.sqf.io)
wide cedar
yeah, that's fair enough i guess
vague shard
personally i just support every way that helps making modding easier/more approachable and less time consuming (within reasonable constraints)
as such also kudos on your derap configs progress ๐
whats your test case so far? BI A3 configs?
wide cedar
yes
orchid shadow
@nocturne basin maybe make shit working before loading screen
nocturne basin
maybe i need the UI to get shit done which is UI logic @orchid shadow
orchid shadow
yeah like a loader ;)
nocturne basin
correct
because without i would completly forget about progress reporting
and would have to implement it in the end then ...
grim hill
@nocturne basin let me get this straight...you're making a tool for creating arma UIs in a less painful way?
nocturne basin
100% correct
currently UI will look like this:
https://imgur.com/WiLEICE
latest itteration also has status bar already at bottom and top a menu so you can load/unload/save etc.
all not yet functional due to the early state of the tool
however, finished config parser yesterday
and already worked a little bit on the AddIn reader
nocturne basin
currently the ETA is "when its done"
you can imagine there is a hell lot of shit to do ๐
but feel free to join my discord server
you will get way more updates there
grim hill
nice, will bookmark that. looking forward to release, creating UIs in arma is so painful and it's holding me back from completing some missions
amber heart
@dawn palm With Eliteness it's possible to examine a WRP and see a small graphical overview of the roads and clutter mask. Is there anything among your tools (or any others you know of) that could export these at high-resolution (at or approaching 1:1 with the sat layer). Have long toyed with the idea of automating whole satmap processing and these would make for useful masks.
dawn palm
eliteness already shows (a somewhat primitive) graphical display for ALL structures of the wrp. clutter mask, roads, sound environ, land classes, etc etc etc
by far and for certain, NeoArmaGeddon has a far far far superior product. MapBuilder i think it's called.
he previously used my sdk and now rolls his own. so the only drawback to that superb product is it is arma3 centric
amber heart
Thanks, will check it out.
dawn palm
dePbo tools updated so that faulty chernarus+ maps from dayz can be used in arma2/3.
caveat emptor: the resulting fix makes them unusable in dayZ. keep separate copies.
nocturne basin
next step in the UI editor archived:
i now can start rendering RscText onto screen (other elements will follow but are not rly mandatory for what i do right now and easy to implement ๐ )
dawn palm
pboProject (and frendz) updated for mission makers.
you can now choose to NOT binarise mission.sqm
the reason being the engine cannot read binarised missions (under some circumstances) in mission ADDONS. Mission PBOs are not affected. For some reason bis have been unable to fix this.
wind elm
@nocturne basin Hurry up! I am pissed by the A3 UI-Editor ๐
nocturne basin
progress is coming along quite good @wind elm
next step is to properly use the preview view
positioning etc.
i might even get some alpha version rdy till end of this month
wind elm
You gonna gimme a call, when your going in Alpha?
ffs... 4x edit... -.- BrainfartFromHell
nocturne basin
just join https://discord.gg/0arQM0FX6xt0iWm3 @wind elm or keep reading the #arma3_tools channel :)
links will be given when the release is ready
however, inside the discord i will push some lil status updates from time to time
wind elm
rgr that
nocturne basin
besides, if somebody is not yet busy and overloaded with a hell ammount of work, i would have something to do for him
as somebody has to finish all those ArmA controls and "port" them into XAML :3
trim cairn
@dawn palm how do you update your tools using the updator? do you need to register on the site first?
dawn palm
it's subscriber only and uses my own, not DH, server.
orchid shadow
@nocturne basin nice.. haha
nocturne basin
actually i am serious about that @orchid shadow
nocturne basin
cur in-dev version could require some feedback from you guys too (currently only RscText added ... also not that perfectly yet ... but you already can play around with it :3)
vague shard
looks decent. good start
did you look into modern IDEs or tools how they approach dialog creation these days (interface and interaction wise)?
nocturne basin
nope
its all just XAML binding actually
(WPF application)
all content you can place is defined in so callen AddIns
which just have to be filled and then you can use them ๐
vague shard
alright. i dont guess ppl found a radically different way to do it
dawn palm
malware alert
Kapersky reports that the mikeroUpdater version 1.12 has potential malware.
This appears to be a false positive, but don't take the risk.
update to version 1.13 asap, if not sooner.
wind elm
same for Avira
dawn palm
good to know. thank u
i take any and all virus alerts seriously and always respond if pinged.
orchid shadow
heh.
orchid shadow
wide cedar
Armake can now generate BI key pairs from scratch: https://github.com/KoffeinFlummi/armake/commit/b64b992ee4ab6e186a7cb14c0baab2448413d26f
Thanks to 4d4a5852 for the inspiration
dawn palm
v nice implementation of keygen(). congrats
vague shard
@wide cedar very nice to see that part covered now too!
at this point do you benefit from people testing your current version and what kind of feedback/in what form do you need?
orchid shadow
@wide cedar i should be able to help out a bit when/if needed during the summers
pearl beacon
@vague shard First step was to make it work for ACE3, however I am testing it on different projects of mine and a lot of the stuff has been solved by that, I believe flummi would be happy with any kind of testing and feedback/issue reporting
vague shard
well i am running debian here, so could set it up and run it on the IFA3 sources
i only cannot judge the results. so only if the process create logs useful to you or crashes, it'd be useful i guess
pearl beacon
first, don't use the ppa package as it's not latest, just grab the source and compile it with make (you also need libssl-dev since today)
add armake to your PATH then just make a Makefile for your project (ACE3 example: https://github.com/acemod/ACE3/blob/d599059716d8c6788435154aa95dec64b00f3904/Makefile) and run make in your project
it will either give errors during building the PBOs or something will look wrong in-game
and use valgrind for in-depth log of what goes wrong
wide cedar
@vague shard keep in mind that p3ds and rtms aren't done yet, but any bug reports for config rapification or macro resolution would help
@pearl beacon you mean valgrind ๐
wide cedar
also, thanks @dawn palm
vague shard
@pearl beacon thanks for the instructions!
not using macros - i despise them ๐ @wide cedar
hacky config is also something from the past i suppose. IF had bad configs but cleaned up most already
wide cedar
also, any model errors that aren't related to animations, sections or materials should also be reported
pearl beacon
lol, I'd ask why you despise macros but not sure if I want that discussion today ๐
vague shard
can model problems and such get be detected aside from visual check of the result ingame?
(aside from game crashing or rpt spam from the engine itself i guess)
wide cedar
not really, no
vague shard
hm i wonder what checks dep3d does @dawn palm
@wide cedar you are only doing MLOD->ODOL and not the other way round, right?
could use T_D's tool to compare the source MLOD but the double conversion is quite problematic, especially with the remaining issues in ODOL->MLOD and the data lost in MLOD binarization
vague shard
i cant remember well but long time ago someone made a tool that analyzed a p3d and gave an overview of the key elements (somewhat similar to dep3d but more extensive/with different focus) - was it one of yours @smoky halo ?
smoky halo
well i had a tool named ODOLAnalyzer. But I think i just outputted number of faces and verts per lod
vague shard
good point. eliteness does some more probably, yet it was a cmd line tool
wind elm
What about: ODOLExplorer from Dschulle? ๐
vague shard
hm could have been that one T_D; it was some more, like sections and other performance related data
smoky halo
yeah I probably outputted that as well
vague shard
well did you consider a verification/test case tool yet @wide cedar? i would imagine it could save you and other testers quite some time in the long run (vs pure manual verification)
wide cedar
just read this. i actually built myself a similar tool
using jay's vehicle damage extension from ace
vague shard
or are you past the basics anyway and its more about special cases and specifics of the format
wide cedar
very messy c++, but i could upload it somewhere once i'm home again
but yeah, the basics should work now (hopefully)
apart from the things i mentioned earlier
vague shard
ok. what about verification/tests before you start the process? like do you accept any p3d and just try to process it, or do you assume the MLOD p3d is valid/pure?
wide cedar
i assume the mlod is at least following the format specification. i issue some warnings (like when using multiple uvsets, which isn't supported atm)
vague shard
alright. is it A3 formats only?
well IF for example dates back to OFP data; some p3d are in a fairly bad state i guess, and some are pretty complex with proxies (at least to me) (for the damage system) - a few models crash binarize at times for example
wide cedar
mlod should be fairly version-agnostic
vague shard
we just run it a few times and if you are lucky, binarize runs through..
wide cedar
it will be interesting to see what happens when you put that through armake
also, that's horrible lol
vague shard
well i guess Shvetz and tierport being new to p3d (and BI tools) when porting the content A3 might not helped either ๐ that said to their credit given being new to it that did an impressive job imo
wide cedar
i didn't intend that as an insult, more as "you need a better tool"
๐
although those models might segfault armake right now, who knows
wide cedar
PBO signing should work now too
nocturne basin
got some lil WebM of the ArmAUiEditor progress
https://zippy.gfycat.com/NeglectedAlertAzurevase.webm
currently just need to figure out how to make the sole elements more visible ...
dawn palm
cherrnarus+ from dayz now properly converted to arma2 binarised. Your mileage will vary in this with land (animated) buildings and roadnetworks because these are the two structures that are corrupted. The better alternative is to convert it back to unbinarised or pew, and re-crunch.
missing land classes are now better displayed for a more informative output.
dawn palm
silly bug introduced in 5.43 fixed (failed if no objects in the wrp)
#defines now fully tested for duplication that actually change the expression. be prepared for some schock and horror.
more sqX horror . improvements in detecting sqx statements that cannot be used in configcpp's.
vague shard
<- my fault ๐
dawn palm
deP3d.exe now fixes erroneous P:\blah and \blah file references inside mlod or odol p3ds caused by object builder
orchid shadow
vague shard
@dawn palm ๐
vague shard
@orchid shadow recommend to give some context to people not using swifty yet ๐
nocturne basin
maybe because ppl did not heared about it yet ... at least i did not ... or i forgot about it ...
both possible (and most likely the latter)
orchid shadow
nocturne basin
ArmA UI Editor
Another little PreRelease (Head not yet is up to date with this code version as i still have to handle some other code passages):
http://x39.io/api.php?action=file&fileID=77 (setup.exe ... zip is here: http://x39.io/ArmAUiEditor_InDev.zip)
And ... i discovered that it currently has problems on C Drive program files ... :3
furthermore, latest versions can be downloaded from here by now:
http://x39.io/?page=projects&project=ArmA-UI-Editor
(tool also will inform you kindly if a new version is available)
also ... for some reason windows defender enjoys throwing out false positive messages for this ... im on it but actually i have no fucking clue how to fix that :(
(would appreciate any tipp on this topic any here could provide)
wide cedar
just take out your bitcoin miner
in other news, i finally fixed some tempfolder issues with armake so now you can run it in parallel properly: http://puu.sh/p3Ou6/fd16cbffb2.webm
vague shard
wow seems pretty fast. did you speed test it vs BI tools yet?
nocturne basin
Good one @wide cedar ... but i would wish it was so easy ...
pearl beacon
last time I used BI tools they were a lot slower even visually, that was a long time ago though
vague shard
do you think its feasible to give out meaningful errors when sth is amiss in the model?
pearl beacon
I think flummi is planning for that, p3ds are not completely finished as of yet
limber garden
As in checking the geometry of the model (e.g. finding non-convexities)?
vague shard
well anything bad you can think of
i like mikeros approach a lot to be very strict and let the user know about all issues
limber garden
I've messed around with editing the Check_All O2 script as I thought that could be useful, but I was told it is deprecated
Did you ever have a post detailing things about O2 scripting? I have a faint memory of seeing it at some point
vague shard
T_D did sth i think
at least he was the one most into it
o2 had "command library" (aka docu) in a subfolder
wasnt in great state but better than nothing
mikero also used it to some degree i think
smoky halo
what do you want to do in O2Script?
limber garden
Yeah I've seen some documentation for it. I was mainly curious if it would be useful as part of a tool to do the basic verification of geometries, shadow LODs, etc. The Check_All script had most of that functionality so I'm sure it could be adapted.
To my knowledge there aren't any tools for that kind of thing, but I'm not sure how it would fit into the workflow since I wouldn't plan on competing with Mikero and building the PBOs.
smoky halo
is Check_All script working?
limber garden
Is it realistic and within the scope of O2 scripting to check for errors and return them for each p3d?
smoky halo
define return
limber garden
I played around with it a month or two ago so I'll have to look at it again, but from what I remember I couldn't get the script to run within OB. However, I could pass the script and model as parameters to the O2Script.exe, or whatever it is called, and then I got an output with errors or warnings to either the the same console window or a new one
smoky halo
so it works
dawn palm
if you could breathe life back into 02script it would be a life saver for many. we just don't have that scriptin g ability in tb/ob
the way I understand it, 'scriptability' was disabled in TB (alias V4) as part of the licensing agreement to bis, and consequently the great unwashed (us)
and there's no competition with myself, i've never made a model in my life, and can only just barely open visitor3 and Oxygen.
the comref for script is in the o2script folder pf personal tools. it's reasonably comprehensive and very close to sqX. sbsMac made an excellent parser for it, and, standard sqX.
limber garden
I'll take a look at that thanks. Here is an example output from pretty much the base Check_All output https://gyazo.com/fb03a11094235ec860d6a81686f707fb
I deleted a vertex in the geometry of the Test_House_01_F to see what it would have to say. The other warnings are easily fixable as well
And by easily fixable, I'm referring to the O2 script, since roadway textures don't need to follow the _co, _ca naming convention, and .tga file extensions aren't an issue
vague shard
@limber garden nice one! can you pastebin the script please - interested how comprehensive the script is
so far we are using the diag.exe + test mission to createVehicle all assets briefly to get extended logging (rpt and debug.log)
depending on how limited or complicated o2 script is, the available script(s) might be at least a template @wide cedar could make use of in the future once his suite is ready for such
limber garden
Oh, that isn't my work, that's the default Check_All script. It should be located in your Tools\ObjectBuilder\O2Scripts\Check_All.bio2s
I then have a .bat file with the following
"C:\Program Files (x86)\Steam\SteamApps\common\Arma 3 Tools\ObjectBuilder\O2Script.exe" "C:\Program Files (x86)\Steam\SteamApps\common\Arma 3 Tools\ObjectBuilder\O2Scripts\Check_All.bio2s" %1
pause
I was just dragging the p3d onto the .bat for testing, but you just need to use 02Script.exe and give it the parameters of the script and the p3d you'd like to check
vague shard
yup was aware its from BI - took a look at my other pc now. it seems quite comprehensive
did you run it towards all CUP content yet?
limber garden
Not yet, I wanted to remove the incorrect warnings it was giving first
Once I wrap up a couple of time sensitive things I'll see if I can fix those warnings and have the results dumped into a file. I'm a little scared to see what it says about some of the A1 buildings though...
This also reminds me, remember the short discussion the other day about automating the config entries for editorPreviews? I ended up giving up on trying to use a regular expression in notepad++ to fill them out, and wrote something in C# to handle it. I can send you the program/code if you'd like once I clean it up (same goes for anyone else that wants it).
I had to tweak some settings to try and get my previews to match the appearance of the A3 ones. I had the best results with changing the time to 10 AM, following the wiki page for video settings, and then in "AA & PP" setting brightness to 80, contrast to 110, and saturation to 100.
limber garden
The warnings that it gives that aren't actually issues with the model. From the screenshot I posted it says the textures with the file extension .tga are invalid because it expects a file to exist in .tga format with that texture, but they have already been converted to paa/pac. From what I've read you can point models to .tga textures and buldozer/binarize will take care of point them to a .paa extension, Mikero can probably confirm this. The warning in the roadway LOD stating that the texture doesn't have a _co and _ca suffix is invalid because roadway textures don't follow that naming convention since they don't have any visual element, and their purpose is just to point to the sound for that surface.
Maybe you could make regex work for it, but it would have taken me a lot more time. The exportPreview script only runs through objects with a scope of 2 that will be in the Eden editor, so I found it easier to run that script first. Then from the list of images it created my program looks for the corresponding config entry, and then adds the editorPreview entry to the last line of the class.
I think it would be hard to determine what classes would be getting editorPreviews with regular expressions since you'd have to determine the scope of that class, which could get messy with inheritance. Also with regex, I couldn't really find a way to get inside of CfgVehicles and then look at each class individually if that makes sense.
smoky halo
If you give me a list of what needs to be changed in Check_all script I probably could do it
vague shard
@limber garden thanks for the details! will let you know it goes here
dawn palm
pay attention to Tim folks. he knows more about this than bis do.
gritty bison
came on this morning and discord says 50 new messages in this chanel, but i only see 26 ?
nocturne basin
just start to notice how damn stupid the config parsing crap actually is ...
limber garden
@smoky halo Thanks, I'll send it your way once I write up the general ideas and goals
smoky halo
this should fix the already mentioned mistakes already: http://pastebin.com/Xt1Nq6UL
grave moss
Yes, this is very helpful. This allows no errors at all
limber garden
@smoky halo Looks great.
If anyone has a moment, I'm looking for some general feedback and advice on my plan for utilizing O2Scripts https://docs.google.com/document/d/1-vH3JCLclEYvYWflAxVmDP3qcx0c5e1lnyNNVY-BoHI/edit?usp=sharing.
I think most of the common errors would be caught by the checks I have outlined for each LOD. Luckily, the Check_All script covers a lot of them already as well
vague shard
looks pretty good. will forward to our modelers
dawn palm
it's a straight out superb initiative
please add to your list checking for P:\ anything which is caused by oversight in object builder (but not oxygen). you could, should you wish, autocorrect this with (the equivalent of) strcpy(ptr,ptr+3);
also \anything is illegal in all references except proxies. and is mandatory IN references to proxies
in mlod, .tga, .png, .paa and .pac are all mutually acceptable. the actual file itself can be any one of them.
smoky halo
@vague shard i think that the rtp from buldozer already lists these errors.
So no need to pack and check with diag.exe
vague shard
could be. not a buldozer users, so cant tell if it has the same error level/checking
smoky halo
pretty sure it reports if lods are not convex that need to be convex or if there is strange geometry and other stuff
also model.cfg errors should be listed
vague shard
it sure does. however stuff like physx i doubt it is able to, is it?
smoky halo
don't think so
smoky halo
@limber garden wow, nice list. the C# tool probably cannot be crossplatform because O2Script is not cross platform ^^
dawn palm
burp, mondo, bah
smoky halo
mondo?
do you mean mono?
of course a C# tool could be crossplatform, but it doesnt make sense if O2Script is windows only
dawn palm
I have to admit I have no idea why you would need o2script to run under linux.
dawn palm
well, sqX is a dog of a language, but it's the only game in town to gain access to p3d/wrp variables unless you use my api/sdk to do similar.
amber heart
anyone know for sure where SQF came from? did BIS write it or license it? always been curious
smoky halo
@amber heart BIS developed it itself. The intention was to use it for cam scripting in OFP
nocturne basin
@amber heart SQF came from hell
it was created by the devil to dominate all of us with its retarded stylish coding
dawn palm
what coding? and how is it stylish ๐
logic says if you adopted C config conventions, you'd follow thru with c functions() too.
...and it's not sqF btw, it's sqX there are at-least four different sqX parsers in the engine and bis binarise. each one of them follow different rules.
amber heart
re: nearly-but-not-quite C, having to include "then" (and having no 'else if') catches me all the time still, esp if i've been doing JS or C recently
vague shard
@wide cedar congratz on 0.3 release ๐
- Lots of fixes (duh)
- Armake can now generate keypairs and sign PBOs```
https://forums.bistudio.com/topic/190572-armake/#entry3031700@wide cedar do you prefer all suggestions, questions and issues to be handled via github tickets, or discussion also in here?
mortal kernel
i would bet on github
vague shard
me too ๐ however for some stuff live discussion is useful
dawn palm
all advertising is good advertising.
wide cedar
@vague shard usually github, but if it's a smaller issue that can be resolved directly chat is fine too
also, questions are probably better in chat
normal wigeon
just checked the vest config sample - shouldn't the CAManBase be updated with all the new hitpointclasses (like HitNeck etc)? It only has the 4 old basic ones Head Leg Arm Body
class HitPoints {
class HitFace;
class HitNeck: HitFace{};
class HitHead: HitNeck{};
class HitPelvis;
class HitAbdomen: HitPelvis{};
class HitDiaphragm: HitAbdomen{};
class HitChest: HitDiaphragm{};
class HitBody: HitChest{};
class HitArms;
class HitHands: HitArms{};
class HitLegs;
};
should be correct i think
grave moss
I assume Buldozer will render the same "light" rendering as in game now ?
nocturne basin
http://x39.io/api.php?action=file&fileID=79 ArmA UI Editor ... latest in-dev
slowly moving closer to alpha
vague shard
@wide cedar thanks will do both once the IFA3 release craze has slowed down a bit ๐
(did a test run already today)
quick depot
@dawn palm Any update required of your tools for new 'update' ?
dawn palm
none yet. but (use of) arma3p update is almost always mandatory
dawn palm
me?
vague shard
another WIP dialog creator - looks for feedback
https://forums.bistudio.com/topic/190427-arma-intellij-plugin-smart-editing-for-header-and-sqf-files/page-2#entry3032329
nocturne basin
meh ... i hate competition
anyway ...
at least i can drop the project now if i want ๐
nocturne basin
http://x39.io/api.php?action=file&fileID=80
just calling it now alpha ...
feature range is kind of the same like of the first version in regards of interactions ....
vague shard
@nocturne basin what kinda of feedback are you looking for with that preview/alpha?
nocturne basin
bugs, ui enhancements, new feature request
its a tool for creators ...
so i look pretty much for everything which does not feels flawless in its usage @vague shard
vague shard
@nocturne basin
overall i think there are three 3 target groups (at least):
- total noobs wanting to make an UI
- ppl having done it already yet struggeling with it
- ppl with decent experience
i am personally in 3 - to me an import function would be most relevant, and give me the best idea how it works/feels and what i would like to see changed/done
in addition to the technical aspect is see also the design aspect - most UI creators are mainly build from the tech approach (by programmers for programmers)
however this is also another angle i think. designers think differently, are used to different workflows and ways to create
so that seems to be so to speak a fourth group to get input from
from my short test the basics seem there, yet i am missing sorta the complete set of course to play around and get a real idea
one aspect i would like to see is having both the dialog and the input dialog visible at the same time and not as tabs like currently
also to the preview represent the ingame w vs h ration would help a good deal to get an actual idea how stuff will look like
finally advanced feature is ofc to simulate different UI size support
nocturne basin
@vague shard import is not needed
just load your config into the editor (paste currently as no load yet implemented ... save however is working ^^') and you can work with the editor
however .... the actual editor currently is not supporting all elements available in ArmA itself
the "both at the same time" is planned
but yet to be implemented due to the fact that a lot of new UI custom controls have to be written for that
and the logic has to be adjusted so that configs are automatically parsed etc.
some stuff requires the parser to be built without eg. tree building so just confirmation is possible
not sure btw. what you mean with the w vs h ratio ...
vague shard
thanks
like to have in the dialog pane indicate the 4:3/12:10 etc area
you want to design and build your UI after all on the end result and no in an limitless, square or recentangle shaped area that doesnt relect the display area in the end
nocturne basin
ahh
well ... also planned :)
currently everything is hard-code fixed to 1980x1080 px
will be editable too
however ... that is one of theese changes where i have to create the custom control
--> shit that consumes a hell ammount of work
thx to a ton of little buttons etc. which have to be implemented ...
want to have it quite simmilar to visual studio as said ( https://msdnshared.blob.core.windows.net/media/MSDNBlogsFS/prod.evol.blogs.msdn.com/CommunityServer.Blogs.Components.WeblogFiles/00/00/01/29/92/metablogapi/8867.01_BETA_thumb_3B7E17E0.png )
vague shard
glad to hear ๐ and we surely want to keep you busy (after your exams) ๐
nocturne basin
would not need the UI creator tool for that @vague shard :3
my current schedule is quite filled with tasks i never will be able to finish all together before end of lifespan
grave moss
Hey guys, I have this in my binarize.rpt :
Type: Internal
Build: Development
Version: 1.59.135692
Yet my ArmA 3 Tools are up to date. Does anyone have the same issue ?
tribal thunder
anyone know what this error is when using DSUtils (arma 3 signature creation tool): Error description: 8009000b
smoky halo
That's Windows error code: 0x8009000B - NTE_BAD_KEY_STATE - Key not valid for use in specified state. Are you sure that your key is not corrupted? I'd suggest to try in on another machine to rule an issue in crypho system in Windows.
(but that's just a wild quess)
tribal thunder
hm. i mean that doesn't say much but i used that same key and the same tool just fine before. might have been the recent update. also created a new key with it, same problem.
any other ideas that don't involve another pc?
vague shard
@tribal thunder let someone else sign it with a new key you trust
tribal thunder
ye i'll have to do that as a last resort
dawn palm
the issue seems to be, it doesn't matter what private key he uses, or creates
signing blows up
aaaaaaaaaaaah
missing sha. how did you make the pbo ?
limber garden
Has anyone seen/made a database or library of utility scripts? I'm mainly thinking it would be helpful with debugging or testing addon related stuff
I don't think it would be worth it as a standalone addon, it would probably be better just as a browse-able library for things that can be run from debug console
vague shard
@limber garden can you make a few example of what you are thinking of?
limber garden
Sure, here are a few that I've used today.
-
icons on all named selections from resolution LODs
https://gist.github.com/pennyworth12345/72995076fd107f2c82c3e6c57ee1ff70
https://gyazo.com/0b6eb547ca19f650d7dcf10ecc6369a4 -
icons on all building positions (used by AI and mission makers for loot)
https://gist.github.com/pennyworth12345/a309b73aec15fabb649bcdb49e3262f3
https://gyazo.com/d81807822ca439bbe1a37e5867f483a2
copy all loaded CfgPatches to clipboard in the format of ["A3Data","A3_3DEN_Language",....]
https://gist.github.com/pennyworth12345/078e5308ecf2d4506ec399f35f63fc2e
dawn palm
where would you use those classes in the last mentioned item?
limber garden
If you were dumb like me and didn't have a CfgMods entry. So for doing editorPreviews you can specify what CfgPatches for the script to run through, but I didn't want to open every config to get them so I just dumped every CfgPatches and deleted all of them that contained A3_
Someone today in #arma3_config was asking how to get a list for them, but I'm not sure what for
I'm not saying any of these are brilliant, just small examples of the kind of stuff that I was talking about and people might find useful
dawn palm
nice one. was curious.
wind elm
@limber garden I wrote something similar before for my testings. Need to check later, if i still have it somewhere -.-
(or if it was lost in the HDD crash...)
dawn palm
sorry bout this folks and the spam, i posted in the wrong channel
dll update
rapify: updated _EVAL sqx processing (credit bis tom)
eliteness: binarised p3d
much more informative display (credit tim dittmar)
better rvmat extraction.
pboProject:won't pack a wrp pbo if:
it references UNbinarised p3d's in the temp\folder (credit damian Berek)
it references stale binarised p3ds in the temp\folder (ie filedates less than their source)
(credit bushlurker vbs)
improved decoding of flashpoint files (essential of you're still porting)(edited)
eliteness/dll now 'understand' vbs formats for most files(edited)
vague shard
@limber garden very nice initiative
would suggest a github project and invite the big mods to contribute (ACE, RHS, CUP, 2017, and so on)
the various loot debug tools could be useful tool, as well as named selection visualization of different sorts for the different content types
another useful one could be ground texture/type visualization (area and the relevant parameters)
BI's internal version has quite extensive visual debugging options - from the various (but few) screenshots they have released, one could also gather ideas
dawn palm
depbo.dll 5.48 released
p3ds
type71 now supported
type69 resupported
improved vbs support
linux version will be updated asap
dawn palm
nothing of any interest.
dep3d will degrade them quite easily to type 70's if, as expected like before, TB and binarise can't read them.
-buldozer can read them. buldozer.exe cannot. note the difference and say thank you to the goat you sacrificed.
fickle crane
@dawn palm : do you know why pbo project would add "xD" to the requiredAddons for when 'rebuild requiredAddons[]' is ticked in pbo project?
fickle crane
this is the entire original config (requiredAddons up the top) http://pastebin.com/XjEAU687 and output http://pastebin.com/iBjYrbHa
it works fine if i un-tick 'rebuild requiredAddons[]', so not really a problem, just feel like i'm being trolled ๐
dawn palm
thank you for that. i believe Q is correct. one of your config.cpp's in one of the addons you use for objects placed on the map has a cfgpatches class called xD
if i'm wrong you should be getting an error message when you start the game saying 'missing addon xD'
dawn palm
ok there's a first time for everything, will have to see how the hell i could have caused it.
fickle crane
np.. that's the complete config which just needs the map 'helvantis'. easily worked around, so don't stress.
vague shard
quite funny indeed ๐
nocturne basin
My lil child ArmA-UI-Editor got a new minor release:
http://x39.io/api.php?action=file&fileID=81
you also will be notified about that when you start the tool
main changes: new content
vague shard
anyone with the means (hint hint) willing to looking how CfgEnvSounds are embedded?
like specifically its about:
volume = "(1-forest)*(1-houses)*(1-night)*(1-sea)";
the parameters seem to be derived from the terrain characteristics - see:
https://community.bistudio.com/wiki/Wrp_File_Format_-_OPRW2_%26_3#CellEnvSounds
however its not really clear how they are generated, computed and what parameters are available these days
current A3 CfgEngSounds: http://paste.ubuntu.com/17289242/
fallen stone
@nocturne basin
I'm assuming with the UI editor position values need to be wrapped with "?
fallen stone
Was baffled for ages
Also the download via your link triggered Avast as a threat
ยฏ_(ใ)_/ยฏ
nocturne basin
ye ... it is an executable which is not officially signed
smoky halo
@vague shard why you need to know?
fallen stone
You deserve many gold stars for making something usable
nocturne basin
in case you do not trust just gen it on your own ๐ its open-source anyway and all you would need would be visual studio 2015 community edition
vague shard
@smoky halo megagoth and other sound designers like to tweak it (Tanoa seems to be very nicely configured in this regard)
nocturne basin
not yet useful @fallen stone
currently more "preview" as most stuff is not even in yet
but you already can do the layout etc.
fallen stone
I would argue it still more practical than the ingame UI editor ๐
nocturne basin
more fancy enhancements will follow
eg. zooming, background image, changeable snapping grid (right click the canvas ๐ enable SnapToGrid and be happy)
fallen stone
Sounds promising
Took me a little to figure out I needed to press enter after changing values in the properties box
nocturne basin
will also be changed at some point ... currently the implementation for that is kinda dump ... but needs some other changes to work as i would like to have it
fallen stone
Will you add (or am I missing it), the option to add your own classes?
nocturne basin
maybe ...
it actually is already possible
however ...
those classes need to be added as AddIn
i assume you mean your own base classes right?
fallen stone
Yeh, apologies
I clicked AddInBrowser, but it displays just Base, and nothing is clickable/usable in it
nocturne basin
yup
the addin browser is not rly something useful currently ๐
just created a quick UI
and never continued there as more important stuff showed up
the AddIns are located in the AddIns folder where the executable is located at
fallen stone
And is the submenutest literally as it reads, just a dummy sub menu :P?
fallen stone
Ah yeh I see it
fallen stone
So I gather adding new base classes via that AddIns folder will not work?
nocturne basin
it will work
but better head over to my discord to not spam this chat further ๐ https://discord.gg/0arQM0FX6xt0iWm3
smoky halo
@vague shard does Tanoa have a new OPRW version?
vague shard
@smoky halo dunno. dont have it yet
anyone in here has Tanoa already and dewrp to verify the format version?
smoky halo
@vague shard I think I found the available params:
Rain
Night
Meadow
Trees
Hills
Houses
Windy
Forest
DeadBody
Sea
WaterDepth
CamDepth
Anomaly
Coast
they are called ambient life parameter
vague shard
great ๐ much appreciated!
any idea how these are backed into the pew/wrp?
as far as remember one defines object classes in visitor (still same in TB?), yet i cant remember them being connected
it seems they are more based on generic terrain properties (elevation, below waterline, forest density, etc)
smoky halo
it seems they are calculated depending on camera Position
stuff like rain for example depends on weather
vague shard
yeah i can find these also in Ambient_A3 definitions. maybe they share the same system
the new SoundTails system seems to use it as well (but has even more parameters)
smoky halo
i think meadow, trees, sea and houses is embedded into wrp
forest is also in wrp
or calculated from wrp
vague shard
made an overview from config parameters
https://community.bistudio.com/wiki/Arma_3_Sound:_EnvironmentVariables
dawn palm
sea, meadow,beach.... are in the CellEnvSounds array in the wrp
you can see each type graphically with eliteness.
smoky halo
forest is in geography part of
vague shard
well it would be good to know how they are computed based on terrain/pew data. like to have an idea how they evolve over the terrain and relate to each other
smoky halo
a terrain grid cell is marked as forest if there are more than minTreesInForestSquare objects that are of mapType Tree or SmallTree
minTreesInForestSquare is a config parameter
sea value seems to be set if there is any water
trees value depends on the number of objects and their propertyClass (the named property in GEO Lod). bushsoft doesnt add as much as class forest for example
same with the house value
class church adds more than the house class
meadow is everywhere else: float meadow = (1-sea)(1-trees)(1-houses);
vague shard
awesome - much appreciated ๐
nocturne basin
currently looking for a different kind of config parser as i need to change a hell lot of things in my ArmA-UI-Editor's config-->text stuff ...
any chance that your config parser is capable of detecting changes on single nodes and raising "events" then @dawn palm ?
would be more worth creating a CLI bridge then writing everything again on my own ...
dawn palm
Both text and binarised rap are the same meta data in the dll. There is no distinction between the two. I have functions that add, find, delete, rename, that meta data (such as class types or variable types) but there is no concept of 'text' or 'lines' in the dll so as some form of text editor, it's useless.
nocturne basin
also not talking about that
just need to detect the small changes so i do not regenerate everything each time
eg. field X got changed
need to know that it changed so i can alter the view
and the config
but anyway ... think i have to do it myself then ... meh
ornate wasp
JFYI: SQF Language for Visual Studio Code received an update. SQF Themes are also fully functional again: https://marketplace.visualstudio.com/items?itemName=Armitxes.sqf
vague shard
@ornate wasp nice one ๐ do you have plans to further expand it or happy with the feature set?
nocturne basin
the vs code extension is quite impressive
any chance to change the way the {} are placed?
ahh
found it
ornate wasp
@vague shard Thanks, I'm planning to add more features, but writing a debugger isn't as easy as I thought ^^ wish I had more time ๐
vague shard
while i also see the benefit of competition and variation, maybe for the debugger you may want to see if the other guy doing the intelij IDE plugin for arma is up for a cooperation
if i am not mistaken, he wanted to tackle that too
nocturne basin
in regards of the debugger ... @woeful cliff has something to offer here inkl. some other fancy stuff
nocturne basin
ArmA-UI-Editor has a new Update available:
http://x39.io/api.php?action=file&fileID=82
You also will get noted if you startup the older version
Changes:
- Fixed Color transfer (arma uses RGBA and not ARGB :facepalm:)
- Added AddInBrowser (might be useful to those who want to add missing classes etc. to the editor (if you do: send them to me please ... always could use some helping hand on this topic))
- Many minor UI changes
- Class Parser now acceppts lazy strings for fields
fieldFoo = 0.0022124 * safezoneY; - New icon
besides, if anybody is interested in just how it currently looks:
http://imgur.com/BfdoVFT
vague shard
might be useful to those who want to add missing classes etc. to the editor (if you do: send them to me please ... always could use some helping hand on this topic)
if you want to see this happen, i'd recommend you to write a short guide on that
nocturne basin
sadly that is easier said then done currently
only thing i could do would be to document stuff but questions arrising i cannot answer
also, that guide might quickly be outdated as features get added (which is why documentation in here still is lacking ... ^^')
but well ... got nothing better to do
so ... think it will be up in an hour on the github page of the project
nocturne basin
vague shard
nice work
but one gotta hate xml. so ugly
would be good to have a working example (ie your current label definition) for each without the xml tags
nocturne basin
working example is always inside of the base addin @vague shard
though .. could have used my very own doc format ... but ppl would have more trouble using and understanding it most likely :)
not to mention that serializing that stuff would be harder then using XML
anyway
next patch will contain major changes to the current draw UI
zoom etc. will be enabled
proper background switch too
((some img. taken ingame so you get a feeling how given UI would feel ingame))
vague shard
cheers
nocturne basin
i will leave this here
https://imgur.com/nS0SycW
vague shard
your app doesnt crash on config parsing errors?!? - not fit for arma modding ๐
giving the option to display usual arma interfaces/background can be useful indeed
nocturne basin
i might add a "crash tool" button @vague shard ๐
thing is more: i implemented a zoom & grid change functionallity
just cannot release yet as for some reason it requires you to right click first before you can use the UI elements ... weird behaviour i never saw before
nocturne basin
another day, another release (ArmA-UI-Editor)
http://x39.io/api.php?action=file&fileID=83
Changes:
- Added a way to adjust the gridsize
- Added "zoom" functionallity
- Added right-click-canvas background entry
- Added Settings viewer
- Added auto-report of crashes (can be disabled in settings)
- Added "Help" MenuItem at top menu (contains two browser links)
Important note: Still need ppl who would like to help me out with the AddIns (ArmA simply got way to many UI-Elements ... and i simply need some help to get them inside the addins)
so please head over to the wiki and tell me what you think about the "documentation" :3
https://github.com/X39/ArmA-UI-Editor/wiki/AddIn_Documentation
grim hill
@nocturne basin looking and feeling nice, keep it up
nocturne basin
That is the plan @grim hill :)
If you feel the need for something btw. then create a ticket ^^
grim hill
if it could create a quick script for testing the UI with ctrlCreate, that'd be nice
nocturne basin
that and more is already planned @grim hill
stuff like setting events of the different UI-Elements from within the editor
nocturne basin
did i noticed that i sometimes tend to do daily releases?
ArmA-UI-Editor
http://x39.io/api.php?action=file&fileID=84
Changes:
- New Window Management System (makes multiple UIs being opened possible, still requires some adjustments ... :3 currently resizing eg. is not possible due to that .. but you can now hide unneeded windows (or close them))
- Delete option now available in right click menu of display editing window
vague shard
@inland flare what to do here?
Missing registry entry HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE/Software\BIStudio\TextureConvert.
Verify application is installed correctly .
did restart steam, update, launch A3 tools, texview via it, also on cmd line
wind elm
Reinstalled the Tools @vague shard ?
vague shard
was not so desperate yet. seems to have worked regardless
wind elm
The last time, i had that prob, i simply restarted
nocturne basin
lil hotfix for ArmA-UI-Editor
lazy me did not tested properly after moving the toolbox into a snap window (c&p error ... the pane i copied from had some bad event handler which caused crashes)
http://x39.io/api.php?action=file&fileID=85
nocturne basin
Lets continue our fancy "tradition" with another release just a day after the last one :)
http://x39.io/api.ph...=file&fileID=86
Changes:
- Added ZIndex panel
- It is now possible to change the class name via property panel
- Snap is now enabled per default
- Updates now can be ignored (can be cleared from the settings ui)
- No more crash on crash log gathering (was most likely due to a permission error ... this should be fixed now as crash logs are saved on your desktop)
hallow rapids
@nocturne basin Just in case there's anything useful for you: https://github.com/marceldev89/arma-ui-editor
it was fairly pre-pre-pre-pre-alpha-ish before I gave up ^^
nocturne basin
why you gave up? ๐
hallow rapids
just lost interest in arma somewhere around that time
and finished the UI work I was doing before that "thing" was useful
nocturne basin
will check it out when i am back home
in case youre interested in helping: need hell lot of AddIn stuff still ^^'
ArmA has quite a lot of UI elements as you know ... :3
hallow rapids
nah, too many other things I'm trying to do ๐ฉ
nocturne basin
can you beat 3 main projects + 10 in back?
nocturne basin
was not the goal
more some weird way of saying: i know that feeling
hallow rapids
ah okay, was still in the mindset of #arma3_scripting.. lol
nocturne basin
you should never be
most ppl might not believe it but i am actually a quite nice person
i just pretty much never ask/answer things polite
but thats too much of offtopic
vague shard
new custom malloc: https://forums.bistudio.com/topic/191816-xtbbmalloc-a-custom-memory-allocator-for-a3/
calm crystal
^^ no good if you're a player though
smoky halo
Easy enough to get it whitelisted its only an email
Just doing living testing on a BE enabled server and getting each iteration whitelisted. That is a pain ๐
split stratus
@nocturne basin how's the UI editor coming along? really intrested in that ๐
nocturne basin
@split stratus check it out :)
it is already working quite well
RoadMap for release 7 is already settled too
https://github.com/X39/ArmA-UI-Editor/milestones/Alpha Release 7
but that one got quite big task in it
dawn palm
new dll (5.49)
new level of obfuscation to hurt the thieves
savage checking of binarised p3ds (more to come) Credit Tim Dittmar
this because bis binarise doesn't actually tell you it created a bad one
prepare for pain and horror folks when crunching.
buoyant compass
๐ฉ
hallow rapids
@dawn palm been thinking about subscribing to your tools, is there some page that explains the differences between the free and subscribed versions? ๐
besides the whole X is maintained, the other less so
vague shard
savage checking
sounds great ๐
dawn palm
there have been over 500 updates to the dll and it's friends over a 10 year period. that means something new every week, if the free tools give you want you want. stick to them. People who subscribe aren't looking for 'better' tools or 'more tools. They simply expect that they will be permanently ahead of the game as bis keep moving goalposts.
I do, in fact, release a snapshot of free tools when it just becomes imossible for people to make their addons any more. But that's a painful way of saving $3/month.
hallow rapids
Alright, thank you. I'm just trying to get back in to the Arma world after a long break but haven't ran into any issues with the free pbo tools. I guess I'll stick to that for now. Unless the subscribed deWrp can parse obfuscated terrains but I doubt it. ๐
dawn palm
no one can work inside encrypted ebo's, that code is crippled, and i am never likely to release it. subsriber or otherwise. Same for reverse engineering p3ds. it wont happen unless bis do sth really, really, dumb.
hallow rapids
nah was thinking about the terrains obfuscated with pboProject
but that's a similar case I guess
dawn palm
i'd be surprosed if ppl do that. it hurts them more than the thief.
hallow rapids
well, there's a few of them judging by the chatter about it on the alivemod forums.
dawn palm
ok. they have their reasons. what they are, i would not know, but similar to bis who learned not to keep pbo's encrypted forever, the same might probably happen to them. it is, their choice.
hallow rapids
oh sure, I don't mind. It's their stuff. ๐
dawn palm
it's a good choice marcel for you to save your money until you find your feet.
orchid shadow
Could you stop doing the obsufcation command
pearl beacon
^
vague shard
@hallow rapids what is needed for indexing?
BI has added a function to drop terrain height data and object data from within the game it seems
i guess that should allow you to rebuild the terrain as dummy to do the indexing
in regards to obsufcated pbos - i would assume it has done more harm than good, but i guess mikero has his reasons
after all thieves can make use of it as much and for most abusive behavior/intentions there are ways around it anyway
dawn palm
that deserves no reply at all. not even this one.
pearl beacon
I am honestly interested about the reasons of implementing obsufcation (or however that's spelt)
dawn palm
same reasons bis wish to protect their IP by issuing items as ebo. whatever those reasons are, right or wrong, they are the reasons.
midnight finch
BIS is a company that makes possibly millions of dollars by protecting their code
pearl beacon
^
cold iris
milions of dollars xD
pearl beacon
and your obsufcation as much as I've seen isn't exactly encryption ๐
dawn palm
your point beign what exactly? that the small guys have no rights and you are free to do whatever you want to them ?
midnight finch
@cold iris yes
pearl beacon
no mikero
that's what licenses are for
my point being that it only makes it harder for other tool developers to work with such PBOs
dawn palm
Believe it or not, i happen to agree with you. What I also think and have said, is ppl obduscating addons will soon come to realise it hurts them too. The same cannot be said for missions.
pearl beacon
ok for missions I can understand, though I still don't agree it should be done
but if you agree with me for addons, why implement it then?
dawn palm
neither do the thieves.
midnight finch
I can agree on mission too
pearl beacon
that's what licenses are for
orchid shadow
any "theif" will laugh at your encrpytion
pearl beacon
thieves should be dealt with based on licenses
orchid shadow
not that is a encryption or obsfucation
midnight finch
@pearl beacon addons and mission have the same structure, there is no extra implementation
pearl beacon
right, I forget that
orchid shadow
just exploting the fact that pbos standards are bleeh.
midnight finch
I don't think anyone can just go reverse engineer pbos like you or mikero head
orchid shadow
It's nothing special
midnight finch
It is
dawn palm
no jonas, you are not correct about that. mission.pbo's have a different structure to addons
pearl beacon
jonas? ๐
orchid shadow
The early versions could be defeated with notepad
dawn palm
if it's nothing special Head, stop complaining about it.
orchid shadow
Its annoying
midnight finch
PBO obfuscation is definetely going to stop "Joe from altis life" who downloaded PBO Manager from armaholic
pearl beacon
I never PBO missions so I can't talk about that
midnight finch
I swear it's the atmosphere in this discord that makes people less civil
orchid shadow
Yea..
smoky halo
@orchid shadow your tool can extract obfuscated pbos?
midnight finch
@smoky halo it can even delta-patch them ๐
pearl beacon
I don't work with PBOs that closely, but what about #undef requirement that suddenly broke so many people's building ability (on paid version)?
I'd understand it as a warning, but suddenly incompatibility arose
dawn palm
simple enough for them to fix a glaring mistake.
dawn palm
I , do not. if you want 'warnings' ask bis to lift their game and provide them in addon breaker.
orchid shadow
isnt pboproject that replaces every true to 1?
dawn palm
in most csaes head, yes.
no it does not work 'perfectly' please dont mislead peple with wrong assumptions on your part..
pearl beacon
how doesn't it?
dawn palm
wahty you mean is, it didn't error before and bis tools don't detect it, so it can't possibly be an error.
pearl beacon
what I mean is, enlighten me how it doesn't work perfectly
dawn palm
#defines are global. when you later what any #define is, how is subsequent code supposed to know it's working with the correct values?
pearl beacon
they are global only where you include them
#undef requires that macro to be #defined
so you have know what it is anyways
preprocessor works linearly, what's defined last is what the macro holds
dawn palm
they are global in scope. #include has nothing to do with it.
(other than the fact that an include,might, wrongly alter one)
pearl beacon
so you can use a macro that's not #defined in the current file? (either defined in another file and #included or directly in the file)
dawn palm
certianly. (if I understood you correctly)
once encountered, defines persist until they are #undeffed
pearl beacon
so let's say I have a function with no #incldues and no #defines and inside I use a macro from some other file that is never included in that function
it will error afaik
dawn palm
how exactly can you 'use a macro' which is a fancy name for a #deifne, without defining it!
or including sth that does?
dawn palm
what?
pearl beacon
in a function I use a macro that is #defined in some other file but never #included, is what I meant
dawn palm
impossible
pearl beacon
yes, you can't use it
because that file will not be preprocessed with that macro
hence I don't understand how they are global
dawn palm
defines are global in scope and persistent they moment they are declared.
to say you don't include it, is well... good grief , what are you arguing about?
the define does not exist
it's not global, it's not anythign.
pearl beacon
#defines are global. when you later what any #define is, how is subsequent code supposed to know it's working with the correct values?
dawn palm
no. not continuing this.
pearl beacon
I honestly don't understand why code wouldn't know what the correct value is
vague shard
@pearl beacon as far as i understand the problem is that some mods (hint hint) like to use extremely complex define, include and macro setups
pearl beacon
yes
vague shard
without that rigid checking, these people had issues
pearl beacon
first time I hear of any issues like that
shrewd osprey
same here
vague shard
or in other words mikero "has to" keep everyone happy
shrewd osprey
wait what
vague shard
he adjusted to what people brought into the world
vague shard
warnings dont exist in his suite
pearl beacon
well that's a separate problem then ๐
vague shard
its either green or red
pearl beacon
yes and that breaks backwards compat then ๐
back on point
what issues did those people have?
vague shard
"why does lintcheck fail for my super special case??? mikero FIX IT"
pearl beacon
oh X39 this is just bullshit, please
shrewd osprey
oh look, a troll.
pearl beacon
let us have a good conversation rather
vague shard
mikero improved the parsing
shrewd osprey
what were the issues tho
vague shard
repeat the above xxx times
orchid shadow
Oh great.
hidden grove
let's not start the whole x39 macro war again, we all know how that ends
vague shard
so at some point mikero said: "boys thats it. stop with your nonsense, stick to the rules or dont use it"
orchid shadow
If there was one thing we needed it was x39
pearl beacon
ok @vague shard I work on ACE3 and we have a very complex macro system and afaik we had no issues other than user errors
dim phoenix
technically defines are not global. They only exist in the scope they are defined, which is a typical property of "local" things.
But what do I know. I'm not a programmer.
pearl beacon
the issue you described is stupidity of people
hidden grove
it's not even complex, the macro system
vague shard
this is A1-OA times. so up until ACE3
pearl beacon
why add that check now then? ๐
vague shard
i am not aware of anything added or changed
orchid shadow
puts on Ballroom Blitz
vague shard
but i was gone for 2 years
dawn palm
no commy2, defines are global, reaching outside the scope they are defined in.
dim phoenix
i am not aware of anything added or changed
You cannot redefine macros anymore, which means you have to add include guards EVERYWHERE, otherwise bulding might fail
pearl beacon
how do they reach outside the scope they are defined in? I don't get that
vague shard
i am fairly certain undef was required before - dunno maybe some semantics changed, yet i am sure it was available in some form for years as BI likes to reuse defines without undef
shrewd osprey
since when are preprocessor commands global ?
dawn palm
you can redefine providing you use an #ifdef #undef pair. its a way of telling the compiler 'i know what i am doing'
vague shard
which of course made a mess in their code
dim phoenix
i am fairly certain undef was required before - dunno maybe some semantics changed, yet i am sure it was available in some form for years as BI likes to reuse defines without undef
nope
And you cannot use #undef either if the macro isn't defined yet
dim phoenix
So instead of
#QUOTE blah
you write:
#ifdef QUOTE
#undef QUOTE
#endif
#define QUOTE blah
i am sure ive added undef to BI configs (and my own) to keep lintcheck happy like 3 years ago
dim phoenix
which is verbose and unnecessary
shrewd osprey
isn't the issue the lintcheck then ?
dim phoenix
also literally every other preprocessor can handle redefines
dawn palm
your opinion of unecessary is different to mine.
pearl beacon
#define does undef and def again if you look at it that way, hence I don't see a reason you should do it explicitly
dawn palm
the reason why you must do it is because you want to change it from elephants to apple_pie
dim phoenix
You example makes no sense
You broke BWC
Arma engine can handle redefines just fine
dawn palm
you wrote bad code.
dawn palm
ogh PLEASE don't ever quote bis as being 'correct' let alone 'ok'
dim phoenix
It's just that your updated caused a lot of unneccary work
cold iris
code wars i like that
nocturne basin
https://gcc.gnu.org/onlinedocs/cpp/Undefining-and-Redefining-Macros.html
If a macro is redefined with a definition that is not effectively the same as the old one, the preprocessor issues a warning and changes the macro to use the new definition. If the new definition is effectively the same, the redefinition is silently ignored. This allows, for instance, two different headers to define a common macro. The preprocessor will only complain if the definitions do not match.
mikero just is more strict
in regards of "other compilers can do that"
pearl beacon
and it prints warnings
orchid shadow
Go away X39
pearl beacon
doesn't just stop
dim phoenix
Warning != no fail
nocturne basin
mikero just is more strict
orchid shadow
Warning is lies
nocturne basin
it is not his fault if you write faulty code ๐
dim phoenix
it isn't faulty
hidden grove
just my 2 cents here... replacing "true" with 1 is pretty annoying, just saying
orchid shadow
^
dim phoenix
other preprocessors handle it fine
so it's an issue with these tools
pretty simple
shrewd osprey
right click on X39 -> block
dim phoenix
Easy to comprehend if you are not an asshole
dawn palm
you broke bwc
dim phoenix
yep
dawn palm
then use addon builder if you're so unhappy
dim phoenix
Using a different tool doesn't mean that you didn't break bwc
pearl beacon
I realize it's your program, I am just voicing my opinions and I am sure all of us here are trying to do that only
dim phoenix
Others use your tools and they open issues on our tracker and ask why it no longer works
shrug
dawn palm
I will not create a broken pbo, or even a suspect broken pbo. period.
dim phoenix
there never was an issue with this and the PBOs are not broken
You just good an idea and had your way
and didn't care about what problems it causes for others
very inconsiderate
not gonna argue about this more - gotta go
dawn palm
so use someone else's ''more condsiderate' tools. and don't complain too much when they fail in game.
yours currently don't fail in game.
they will, and you should be thanking me for alerting the authors to a disaster waiting to happen.
orchid shadow
dawn palm
thanks head. i needed that.
cold iris
your code problems geez
vague shard
its almost like artists arguing, isnt it ๐
cold iris
yup - my code is better than yours , no your code breaks kittens
vague shard
a "lot of work" - with regex use it should be a 5min job
dawn palm
my code ruthlessly breaks kittens.
shrewd osprey
more like "why did you break bwc" - "because of this issue, that actually isn't one"
vague shard
its useful to be strict as others may become aware of an issue that way
that stance has served many very well using his suite
orchid shadow
Or just do warnings
vague shard
so why change?
orchid shadow
Noone is trying to take a shit on your work mikero, its a great tool sutite etc, but its quite a pain this.
vague shard
thats the goal i guess ๐
dawn palm
MY philosophy, if you like, is that I virtually garantee an author to look elsewhere if what ever it is he's doing, doesn't work in game.
It may sound trite, but most people get the warm fuzzues if thier pbo gets past me, and they have a comfort zone, that's difficult to achieve.
They tend to concentrate on the real issues than fussing or worrying about whehter there config is 'ok', or their p3d got made corectly. The p3d may be pink, in game, when they meant yellow, but they don't look for non existent faults.
vague shard
btw the regex
(#define ([\w]+)\r\n.*)#define \2
to
\1#undef \2\r\n#endif\r\n#define \2
//. to match also newlines
//the word matching after the #define to be adjusted depending on the following stuff in the same line
dawn palm
I do have full understanding, and some symapthy with the #undef issue. The sad fact is, people WILL NOT FIX warnings. It's human nature to do the least work possible. And i can assure you in spades that the current configs, even the venerable ace configs, were disasters waiting to happen.
dim phoenix
The sad fact is, people WILL NOT FIX warnings. It's human nature to do the least work possible.
That is true. I fully agree. I just don't see how this particular thing was an issue. Like at all.
And i can assure you in spades that the current configs, even the venerable ace configs, were disasters waiting to happen.
Please explain how.
And how is having to use:
#ifdef MACRO
#undef MACRO
#endif
#define MACRO ...
solving anything?
It's exactly the same thing, except verbose. Unless I'm missing something crucial here.
dawn palm
what happens is at some later stage someone writes some extra code (for whatever reason) and just happens to use the same label. it's often an experienceed coder who even takes the trouble to #include his extra offering. If that code is inserted before subsequent use of the same 'macro', all hell breaks loose.
there's various other scenarios, but that's it in a nutshell.
rather than arguing an experienced coder would have the brains, not to do that.....
dim phoenix
So the ACE configs aren't "disasters waiting to happen" then?
Because we only include libraries that we write and support ourselves.
And the ifdef-undef-endif-define has exactly the same potential problem
Also configs are binarized, so macros are resolved anyway. Third party cannot redfine them
dawn palm
ummm not quite correct. some of your configs -cannot_ be binarised.
I'm not taking pot shots or denigrating the fine crew behind ace (or cba). This is a mistake easily made, and easily corrected. The #undef as noisy as it is, is only a work-around to not using the same label in the first place. It's authors choice which way to jump.
wide cedar
if people ignore warnings then that's their problem
a compiler-type tool should never exit prematurely if it is still able to figure out the final result
dawn palm
and you are quite correct too commy, that yes, by over-riding the error with undefs can result in the same mistake.
smoky halo
an easy solution to this debate would be different settings: strict-picky-moderate-tolerant etc.
wide cedar
i.e. warnings that can be disabled
dim phoenix
people would google the error message they recieve
first solution would be: disable showing this error
people would do that instead of fixing their problem
smoky halo
Microsoft for example provides a lot of code ananlysis tools where you can choose the ruleset
dim phoenix
but
but redefining macros is no problem at all
I've never heard anyone having problems with that
And I can't imagine it either
dawn palm
i'll bet three goats commy2 that you''re exagerating and can 'imagine'it very well indeed.
hell, i'll even throw in some chicken feet.
dim phoenix
I don't see how. Someone using the same macro name twice by accident? Very unlikely
Someone including another library? They would just redefine an unknown and therefore unused macro
I'm waiting for the day BI recycles a macro name in two libraries
Then your tools would be unable to bin that
dawn palm
happens often enough. I would say i've averaged a 'why doesn't it work' for this very issue at least once/3 months
dim phoenix
That's just as likely as ACE breaking
dawn palm
well, you're understanably centric about ACE. the folks there even if and when they spot this issue will quickly discover and fix it. I have to deal with a larger audience who's favorite past time is to copy and paste a macro they've found somwhere and re-use it in six different ways (I exaggerate a little)
pearl beacon
we do fix issues as fast as possible
that's beside the point that there is no issue with those macros though ๐
dawn palm
suit yourself. it's always your decision.
dawn palm
i know nothing about scripts and I never will have.
dim phoenix
scripts are preprocessed during game start and the games preprocessor handles macros just fine
it's not even scripts vs config
dawn palm
good on them
dim phoenix
the game also handles unbinned configs now differently
dawn palm
I don;t see how , since it must be binarised right there and then in order to be merged with master_config.bin
if you mean it treats and accepts certain eval exec that can only be processed at game time. yes.
dim phoenix
it also accepts macros
dawn palm
so what?
dim phoenix
and doesn't complain about redefinitions
dawn palm
oh dear.
dim phoenix
IDK, it's just that this is now different binned vs unbinned
Someone might encounter that as problem
dawn palm
here we go again, how wonderful bis are to cause you no problems.
dim phoenix
well, they indeed don't in this case
dawn palm
nor most anything else. starting with addon breaker which doesn't know it's got an errror if it saw one, and binarise that produces no errors at all.
dim phoenix
I'm talking about the game, not the shitty tool
dawn palm
bis binaruse uses the game to do it's thing.
notably maps.
altho not entirely relevant to this, there are at-least five very different rapifiers involved here. Spread between shitty tools, binarise itself, and at least two in the game engine. I have to account for differences between context-of-use (rvmats, bisurfs, fsm files, model.cfgs). Each one has progressively more restrictive 'code' it can accept. For configs, the #undefs come into play, for model.cfgs, 'true and false' are acceptable, for rvmats a limited subset of rap verbs is allowed, for fsm's, trailing commas on arrays are permitted. for configs a very restricted list of sqX statements are permissible. Do you want me to set all this to 'warnings only' ?
dim phoenix
No, but I don't even know what half of these are.
nocturne basin
you still try to argue guys?
nocturne basin
like i ever would have cared about who asks me
dawn palm
Probably unlike any other tool set people are used to, my tools will do everything they possibly can to NOT produce a pbo. They are analytic in nature, and ruthless. They expect you to fix your mistakes. That's the opposite approach of doing everything a tool can to give you a result and expect you to fix problems in-game. The fact your code 'works' sorta kinda 'ok', the fact they 'work' in game, the fact that less aggresive tools accept them, makes no difference to this bottom line approach. It really is a case of accept it, or move on.
pearl beacon
The fact your code 'works' sorta kinda 'ok',
but it doesn't work "sorta kinda ok", it works, it simply works ๐
and where else but in-game can they work?
dawn palm
your code is faulty. fix it or don't. it's your choice.
pearl beacon
how is it faulty ๐
dawn palm
not even bothering to go there again.
pearl beacon
fun times
vague shard
thats what BI says too ๐
people make mistakes, very often in fact, so its good to help them not to do them
using code hacks also "works"
dim phoenix
yeah, but now, when I make a really small sub config
e.g. something for 3den
And I want to disable some settings
and make a makro for that
I'd define #DISABLE blah
now I have to go out of my way to use a really specific name
just because another macro could interfere with that
it could be a macro from CBA
it's just an example, but that is what you have to keep in mind
it also means that adding any macro to a library in CBA could break any mod
just because we happen to add a macro with the same name
dim phoenix
now there is
vague shard
always has been
dim phoenix
I disagree
vague shard
fine so you disagree
dim phoenix
because if a sub component uses a macro differently
i'd would use the definiton of the sub component
if you'd want to use the original macro
you knew you have to change the one specific to the sub component
vague shard
now you know the reason why i quit the CBA team ๐ (after establishing it in the first place)
the macro crazyness was enforced by Sickboy
dim phoenix
that has nothing to do with this
vague shard
just because people were lazy to write code or to learn how to achieve writing less code by other means
pearl beacon
prefixing macros is like prefixing local variables
they can only be used in files where they are defined or included, makes no sense to prefix them
vague shard
at least back in the day CBA macros were also to be included in third party mods (at least could, and was done in ACE2 for example if i remember correctly)
also you can include stuff from mission to mod and vs versa too, if i am not mistaken
anyway a word of warning - mikero broke pbo generation with his latest dll update
the game itself can no longer read the obfuscated pbos (which also happens by default with the update for some reason)
nice irony, isnt it
vague shard
no idea
reverted to the previous dll and works fine again
(i am on dev branch with diag.exe)
dawn palm
aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaarg!
dawn palm
dll fixed at 5.50
hallow rapids
[1:57 PM] kju: @hallow rapids what is needed for indexing?
The ALiVE mod indexing gets all the objects and the locations for them using deWrp, other than that it does all it's work ingame.
it basically does the indexing / object categorization with this data from deWrp -> https://github.com/ALiVEOS/ALiVE.OS/blob/master/addons/fnc_strategic/indexes/objects.dakrong.sqf
[1:58 PM] kju: BI has added a function to drop terrain height data and object data from within the game it seems
If it's possible to get the same data in-game then ๐
@vague shard you got any info on those functions?
also.. Discord is kinda disappointing.. No proper search and no highlighted keywords.. ๐ฆ
limber garden
Why do you need them though? You could easily get all of that information in game using nearestObjects with a large search radius
The only thing I see in those indexes on github are building positions and IDs
hallow rapids
I'm sure they had their reasons to use deWrp instead of nearestObjects, @hidden garnet?
@limber garden also keep in mind that the indexing tools use the p3d paths to categorize objects
you could probably also get those in-game though
pearl beacon
@vague shard same is for ACE3, we include the CBA macros file
hallow rapids
https://community.bistudio.com/wiki/getModelInfo yep.. well then I'm not sure why either ^^
dawn palm
very minor heads up for model makers. my dll now has a maximum of 55 'bones' in the sections[]= of a model.cfg. this is to conform to bis default. If you strike trouble, and shout at me, i will correct it to suit your needs.
vague shard
@dawn palm thanks for the quick fix!
why did you introduce a limit? we might be over that limit in IFA3.. checking
dawn palm
55 is the bis default. anything else must be specified. for cwr2/3 i set it slightly higher and for pboProject, ditto. it was probably unecessary to do so.
so no Q, it's not correct to say I set a limit.
hallow rapids
anyone know of a tool that can preview binarized p3d files? I mean, the game can render them no problem.
vague shard
@hallow rapids for what purpose do want to use it?
the reason asking is some other people have asked for such tool/functionality too
hallow rapids
it would be neat to view models without loading up the game and possible taking (automated) screenshots for things like config browsers and the like. You can do that in-game with the new eden stuff but doing that externally is just neater.
even better if it could be done on a headless system, e.g. a linux vps ๐