arma3_scripting

[kindred tide]

then you know whether the "available types" for OFP is a mistake or "setVariable" not being for OFP is a mistake

how could anything even be scripted in OFP without "get/setVariable"

that's like the most basic most needed thing

[winter rose]

setVariable is not in OFP

the 1.34 thing comes from publicVariable network info

[hallow mortar]

You can script plenty of things with only missionNamespace and private/local variables. Yes, it's more limited, but y'know, it was 2001

[winter rose]

page fixed

use publicVariable if you need
https://community.bistudio.com/wiki/publicVariable

[still forum]

Ah so that's where
call compile format ["%1 = %2", "MyVariable", newValue]
shit has its origin 💡

[winter rose]

oooh yes.

you had to be there! it was fire!

[winter rose]

wait until he learns that isServer was actually backported in OFP 1.99! :kek:

[kindred tide]

    setvar(obj, varname, varval) obj##varname = varval;
#else
    setvar(obj, varname, varval) obj setVariable [#varname, varval];
#endif```

something like that i guess

[winter rose]

#ifdef __OFP__ what?

[kindred tide]

(or whatever)

just an example

[winter rose]

https://community.bistudio.com/wiki/Multiplayer_Scripting#Different_machines_and_how_to_target_them may be interesting to you

[kindred tide]

my mod is singleplayer

[winter rose]

safer ^^

[still forum]

Afaik there is no way to use #if/#ifdef to detect the difference between OFP/Arma1/Arma2

The __ARMA3__ definition was only introduced in A3, and that also only in 2020

[winter rose]

https://community.bistudio.com/wiki/productVersion A2OA 1.62
https://community.bistudio.com/wiki/supportInfo A1 1.00
https://community.bistudio.com/wiki/requiredVersion OFP 1.21

[still forum]

I guess you can use supportInfo, with if in script, to compile different script files at mission start

requiredVersion won't work to detect games really.
A1 restarted at 1.0, Arma 2 restarted at 1.0, Arma 3 restarted at 1.0

You could try compiling a script, and if it fails, it contains something unsupported.
So if (isNil {compile "supportInfo ''"}) ? to detect OFP?

Ah nvm compile didn't exist in OFP, neither did isNil

Did SQF even exist in OFP? Was it all SQS back then??

call command was only added in OFP 1.85

[granite fog]

what is the best way to add additional arguments inside BI EH's ? Using global variables not a solution

[still forum]

Example of a EH you want? And what arguments, you mean passing custom data to the handler?

@winter rose I found another wiki mystery.
https://community.bistudio.com/wiki/call
Introduced in OFP 1.85
But syntax one takes string since OFP 1.00 ?

Also if OFP only accepts string, shouldn't the version marker then be on the "Code" argument type instead?
Mh also call string was removed wasn't it?

[winter rose]

this one is most likely "in OFP it took string"

[kindred tide]

looks like i have to macro everything

[winter rose]

yes, String was removed

[still forum]

Well I just told you, macro won't work. There is no way to detect/switch game version via macro

[winter rose]

hey, you want to do this project! 😄

[granite fog]

some_arguments before EH
addMissionEventHandler ["MapSingleClick", {
            params ["_units", "_pos", "_alt", "_shift"];

            if (_shift) then {
                [some_argumnets] call some_func;
            };
        }];

[still forum]

https://community.bistudio.com/wiki/addMissionEventHandler
has "arguments" parameter, it can be used to pass arguments

I think not all eventhandler commands have it (for example unit addEventHandler, because there you can pass it via the object)

[kindred tide]

"You could try compiling a script, and if it fails, it contains something unsupported."
or do that yeah, if it can't run getVariable then it's OFP

[granite fog]

damn you're right. Thank you )

[still forum]

Well except, you cannot compile in OFP, because that command doesn't exist there

[winter rose]

although, I am not sure now that string was removed 🙃

[still forum]

And that would mean you have to wrap basically every command into a script function? That would be absolutely nuts and horrendous for performance.

Unless you take bigger blocks, and write a OFP version and a Arma2/3 (where macro detection works) version

[still forum]

The engine function is still called "StringCall" but it only takes Code as arg
So it was switched out at some point

[winter rose]

uuuuuugh code history

(thanks for checking ^^)

[still forum]

That change for string was done on 27.05.2005
That's when string support was removed, before that it was briefly StringOrCode

[winter rose]

wait, we have pre Arma 2 history?

2005 = Arma 1

[formal stirrup]

Anyway to make drones not tilt upwards when applying velocity to them?

I've tried using setVectorDirAndUp but they seem to just ignore the loop and tilt anyway

[winter rose]

they can't "ignore" it, the loop may be wrong

[formal stirrup]

for "_i" from 1 to 999 do {
sleep 0.05;
  drone1 setVelocityModelSpace [0,-10,0];
  drone1 setVectorDirAndUp [[0,0,0], [0,0,0]];
};};

I mean the velocity is executing so idk why the vector wouldnt

[kindred tide]

i dont understand

[hallow mortar]

I'm pretty sure vector directions must have some magnitude, [0,0,0] is...no direction, which is impossible

[winter rose]

a vectorUp requires a "1"

[0, 0, 1] is "up" (towards the sky)

vectorDir requires a facing dir, try vectorDir drone1

[kindred tide]

SQF was first introduced in Operation Flashpoint: Resistance together with the call operator in update 1.85. so i can use SQF in OFP

[formal stirrup]

That would remove it from tilting up?

[winter rose]

yes

[winter rose]

I guess

[formal stirrup]

worth a try ig

Not much a change but something was learned

[winter rose]

page?

https://community.bistudio.com/wiki/Script_File

[kindred tide]

yes

[winter rose]

you can use SQF, just not sqf files

[kindred tide]

but mission init is in sqs

and i cant

#include "init.sqf";``` because they cant span multiple lines in sqs

[winter rose]

here what "SQF" means is "if () then {} else {}" syntax
you cannot use multiline in OFP, unlike perhaps with some string trickery

[kindred tide]

ig the only way to do OFP compatibility is to write an external utility tool that converts from SQF to SQS and replaces everything incompatible

[winter rose]

still no idea what you are doing btw

[winter rose]

ah and perhaps // / /* */ SQF comments and such
still one-lined in OFP, but still :p

[proven charm]

isnt EachFrame EH blocking in sense that no other script is run until the eachFrame code completes?

[winter rose]

it is unscheduled

https://community.bistudio.com/wiki/Scheduler

[proven charm]

so that's a yes? ;D

[winter rose]

"blocking" is unclear

[proven charm]

i mean like all others scripts wait and are not processed

[winter rose]

they don't wait

unscheduled scripts are run one after another, with no consideration for the scheduler's content

[granite sky]

But then SQF isn't multithreaded, so it's also kinda true.

[proven charm]

right but they dont get paused

[granite sky]

Once an unscheduled script has been started, it runs until completion.

And you can guarantee that no other SQF is running concurrently.

[proven charm]

this was my main concern, thx!

because they might change same scripts variables its important the order is right

[still forum]

The magic of proper source control 😄

Pretty sure that the guy that made that change, is still at BI

[still forum]

Does loadFile or preProcessFile command exit?

[kindred tide]

yes

[still forum]

then use that instead of #include

[little raptor]

idk what "str"ing an include is supposed to mean. If it's something known to be strable, it's fine, but if you're trying to str the contents of the file, that's wrong

[winter rose]

also, str is Arma 1 🤣

[kindred tide]

if the file contents are basically {code} then it's str'ing code

[winter rose]

it does not work like that

that's loadFile to you

[little raptor]

Like I said if it's strable it's fine

[winter rose]

call str
#include 'file.sqf'
```assumed that `file.sqf`'s content is```sqf
hint "Hello there!";
systemChat "OK";
```would result in```sqf
call str
hint "Hello there!";
systemChat "OK";
```and it would obviously fail (besides it being multiline… also I don't know if `#include` work in SQS)

[kindred tide]

fiel.sqf is assumed to begin with { and end with }

[winter rose]

you would then stringify code

[kindred tide]

yes

[winter rose]

toString should be used 🙃

str { "OK" }; // "{ ""OK"" }"
toString { "OK" }; // "OK"

[little raptor]

Was that available in OFP?

[winter rose]

str? no.

toString? A3 v2.02

[hallow mortar]

if only someone could have predicted that trying to accommodate OFP and A3 in the same code would cause huge problems

[winter rose]

https://tenor.com/view/glee-quinn-fabray-darn-darn-it-dang-it-gif-17036812

[sullen sigil]

are we still on this

[hallow mortar]

technically it is a legitimate project and fair game for discussion here. even if it is stupid

[winter rose]

I like the challenge, but I have to wonder: "why?"

https://tenor.com/view/but-why-wtf-wth-gif-18627417

[kindred tide]

i put this in init.sqs and it worked

call (preprocessFile "init.sqf");

and OFP's str is format

hint format["%1", A];```

[winter rose]

with length limitation

[still forum]

You know basically nothing about how SQF nor its Preprocessor works (you were surprised that #define and #include worked)
and are trying to take your first steps, starting a huge inter-game compatible mod that even the biggest experts would be struggling with.

Yeah.. what the heck

[winter rose]

tbh, if you want something that will work across all games, write everything in SQS

[sullen sigil]

i dont even understand the point of it regardless

like, a3 is less than a mcdonalds meal here when it does on sale

[kindred tide]

i have all arma games on steam

[granite sky]

It's hard enough trying to make anything work consistently on A3 :P

[kindred tide]

it's about choosing between re-writing everything for the older game or making it compatible from the start. i can't foresee every difficulty ahead and it looked like a plenty of commands worked in OFP, so i chose to try making it compatible

[sullen sigil]

why do you need to write anything for ofp

[winter rose]

did that once, for one function - wasn't so fun 😄
https://community.bistudio.com/wiki/Example_Code:_Random_Area_Distribution

[sullen sigil]

also, john, have you managed to get orientation interpolation to work in mp scenarios before? if ive already asked you sorry, memory loss isn't doing too well 🙃

setvelocitytransformation seems to have the same lack of interpolation as addtorque

[winter rose]

setVelocityTransformation

Interpolates and applies PositionASL, velocity, vectorDir and vectorUp to the given object based on the interval value.
no?

[sullen sigil]

has exact same appearance as using addtorque for me, velocity gets interpolated by engine because of velocity property, orientation is just a property with no interpolation

i think biki probably referring to command interpolating the values based off interval too

[winter rose]

and… what do you hear by that?

[sullen sigil]

i dont understand the question

[winter rose]

orientation is just a property with no interpolation
do you mean by that "setVelocityTransformation does not interpolates vectorDir/Up?

[sullen sigil]

if not local, no

[kindred tide]

#define setvar(obj, varname, val) obj##varname = val; hint format["%1 is set to %2", #obj###varname, val];
#define getvar(obj, varname) obj##varname;

setvar(Car,_spd, 12);
_test = getvar(Car,_spd);
hint format ["Test is %1", _test];

[sullen sigil]

doesnt interpolate between network updates

[kindred tide]

this works in OFP, namespace is emulated as part of var name

[sullen sigil]

plz ignore the music i need it to play else my hearing aids disconnect from my computers bluetooth and crash arma (server-authoritative, using addtorque, looks identical to svt)

[little raptor]

can you post the code again?

[sullen sigil]

yes, will sqfbin it again

Movement (shouldn't be too relevant):
https://sqfbin.com/iyamowivenihahuzeniq

Orientation:
https://sqfbin.com/jifuqahelugeficezesi

the exact same shuddering motion happens regardless of if its setvelocitytransformation or just setvelocitymodelspace + addtorque

[little raptor]

I don't know what the second one is for

are you using both at the same time?

[sullen sigil]

yes, all run at once -- some code is noted out and idk if sqfbin is highlighting it properly

[little raptor]

it doesn't no but if I had to put my finger on why it doesn't work, then I'd say that's the problem

you're only supposed to use svt

not setVectorDirAndUp

here's a question for you: does unitCapture work fine on your server?

if so, the problem is not svt

and it shouldn't be
that command is designed to have interpolation (both in SP and MP)

[sullen sigil]

im using addtorque instead of setvectordirandup, had also used just svt and used the orientation equation to update variable that svt oriented by

let me look at how to use unitcapture one sec

Previously had been setting ([_dir, _up] apply {_ship vectorModelToWorld _x}); as variable in the ship then reading in the svt in _moveShip

[little raptor]

basically just record a heli/plane while doing all kinds of crazy turns...

[sullen sigil]

as in with BIS_fnc_unitCapture?

[little raptor]

yes

[sullen sigil]

also, to clarify -- this looks smooth on local machine regardless of what it is, but non local see it like this

[little raptor]

well the local machine doesn't have any latency

[sullen sigil]

ya

[little raptor]

so it's moot

[sullen sigil]

just pointing out its a netcode/network issue 😅

arma loading atm

[little raptor]

like I said when you use setVectorDirAndUp you remove the interpolation

[sullen sigil]

i wasnt using it at the same time as svt tho

[little raptor]

you said "all run at once "

[sullen sigil]

meant all the functions, not all the code
but fn_orientShip was writing to kjw_capitalships_neworientation variable or something similar, svt was taking from that

not a clue what this means

had to respawn after if that means anything

[little raptor]

it copies the motion data to clipboard

[signal kite]

My "main" display is black. I can see chat, menu and hints. I can hear sounds (eg when I shoot my weapon) but I have no 3D graphics.
I suspect that the "main" display is faded to black. Is there any code I can run to fade the 3D-Graphics back in?

[little raptor]

and you just paste it into a file and pass it to unitPlay

e.g [bla, loadFile "data.sqf",...] call BIS_fnc_unitPlay

I don't remember the args so check the wiki

[sullen sigil]

nothing was being copied 🙃

i'll try again but had tried 3 times

[little raptor]

you should record in SP

clipboard doesn't work in MP

[sullen sigil]

oh, record in sp and play in mp? 😅

[little raptor]

yes

[sullen sigil]

you want #arma3_config

[tame coral]

thanks

[sullen sigil]

works fine, smooth flight

spawned unit in with zeus, used setOwner to transfer locality to server then ran it

[little raptor]

so issue is in your code like I said

[sullen sigil]

but its the same issue with addtorque and svt when i dont setdirandup anywhere else

[little raptor]

in that submarine even a physx obj?

[sullen sigil]

its attached to a physx object

Land_Cargo10_white_F

[little raptor]

... then maybe the problem is attaching it to another object with slower simulation or something

[sullen sigil]

nope, it happens when i detach/delete it

isnt smooth, is juddering in places

oh, just found out something else now

[little raptor]

I mean the submarine itself

[sullen sigil]

further away from camera the more its juddering

[little raptor]

what about the plane?

[sullen sigil]

plane i'll test

plane is smooth, have also tried dropping it from different distances from zeus after setting ownership to server, is still smooth

[little raptor]

what simulation does the submarine use?

[sullen sigil]

shipX

only reason its on there for that clip is its easier to see the juddering getting worse

same thing happens for the box

[little raptor]

what if you created a new vehicle using planex (or airplanex, whichever it was) simulation?

[sullen sigil]

that is my absolute last resort as itd be harder to modify the handling of it afaik?

[little raptor]

wat?

[sullen sigil]

i.e user would have to use plane controls

rather than mine

[little raptor]

you can use whatever controls you want

[sullen sigil]

mine are reading out of simple af config values

[little raptor]

actually here's another question

try recording the movement of the submarine, see if it jitters again

[sullen sigil]

as opposed to the obj its attached to?

[little raptor]

while using it in SP normally

[little raptor]

I mean record it, then play it

like the plane

[sullen sigil]

ah

smart

[little raptor]

basically one of these is the problem:

1. your svt parameters are not consistent
2. the vehicle simulation is not fast enough
3. you're doing something that messes with the interpolation

[sullen sigil]

would those cause issues in dedi as opposed to everything else?

[little raptor]

well they could cause problems in MP compared to SP

dunno any specifics about dedi

my current guess is 1

[sullen sigil]

this doesnt happen in lan but theres no latency there

[sullen sigil]

surely that'd be consistent at all distances though?

[little raptor]

well by MP I mean a second client observing what's happening on another computer

[little raptor]

maybe

for now the submarine recording test is the best way to go

actually play the plane data on the submarine

because if you record the submarine while moving it with your code it doesn't tell us anything

[sullen sigil]

ive already deleted the plane data
give me a sec though as forgot to record on the same terrain so its just made the sub disappear

[little raptor]

if you use clipboard history you might still have it (Win+V)

[sullen sigil]

give me a few then

😱

ok ill test the sub play on dedi then ill re-record plane and do that

how odd

[little raptor]

wut? is that the plane data?

[sullen sigil]

thats sp recorded data for it spinning on the spot

[little raptor]

then I'd say something's wrong in your code?

anyway rn I'm mostly interested in the plane data

[sullen sigil]

ya i'll go record that now

juddering in places there

however is somewhat smooth?

[little raptor]

well yeah it looks better than what you had

anyway it's not smooth

so the problem is also the sim

[sullen sigil]

i wonder if svt doesnt interpolate if interval is 1?

[little raptor]

so you'll have to make your own vehicle config

[sullen sigil]

presume i cant just use this system on that vehicle too

[little raptor]

iirc besides sim you also have to change their typicalSpeed and some other thing related to size

[sullen sigil]

so theres no one size fits all solution for that either for each ship?

[sullen sigil]

where's typicalSpeed? cant see in cfgvehicles 😅

[little raptor]

imo now try to move the plane with your submarine code

or even the rotation code

[sullen sigil]

good idea

[little raptor]

I guess maxSpeed?

not sure if it affects it

[sullen sigil]

probably

[sullen sigil]

looks similar to this when using the plane oddly

i.e direction reverses at some point when you get further away

and then just stops eventually

although... it appears smoother? nope

[little raptor]

then the problem is your code for the most part

[little raptor]

so I guessed right

[sullen sigil]

im not using svt here

its addtorque

[little raptor]

well you must use svt

[granite sky]

addTorque is madness

[sullen sigil]

must as in i should do or thats what i am running rn

[sullen sigil]

i am very desperate

[little raptor]

yeah the former

[sullen sigil]

when i had done it i was using interval of 1 every time, should i change to 0.5 or something? need "live" movement so cant really go 0-1 interval all the time

[granite sky]

Someone put some cute code into Antistasi with addForce that gives vehicles a bit of recoil when you fire attached statics from them. Trouble is that if you get a long frame it just nukes the vehicle.

[little raptor]

interval shouldn't matter

but you can try

[sullen sigil]

i did 1 before and same issue was happening

however i wouldnt be surprised if 1 caused engine to ignore interpolation

[little raptor]

use 0.999 😛

[sullen sigil]

i hate this so much

[little raptor]

I hate it too

[sullen sigil]

thanks for the help though 😅

[little raptor]

oh you don't mean the font 🤣

[sullen sigil]

i get to find out next wednesday if i use it because i have brain damage or if i use it because im just weird 😟

but the brain damage would explain all this code

time to battle with tcadmin once again

[south swan]

I re-read SVT docs and now i don't see its pros

[sullen sigil]

for this, its engine level pros with how the command is handled i think

otherwise if it was just a wrapper for setvelocity etc i wouldnt be using it

though it is nice for easy use in mission making for using stuff as doors that shouldnt be used tbh

[south swan]

I re-read again and it still looks like "linearly interpolate between those 3 pairs of vectors with X ratio"

[sullen sigil]

it is 🙂

however stack it and stuff (move the destination with it as well) and you have different interpolation

[little raptor]

I re-read again and it still looks like "linearly interpolate between those 3 pairs of vectors with X ratio"
it doesn't use lerp for orientation

it uses slerp

but also the command doesn't just magically move your vehicle like setPosXXX

it issues an engine-level movement, like the vehicle's natural movement

[sullen sigil]

thats news to me

though probably why my crashing function broke too

[little raptor]

what I mean is that it's not instant

[sullen sigil]

ah

[south swan]

wut

[little raptor]

i.e. even if you use an interval of 1, the command doesn't just setPos you

it "predicts" your move. dunno how to say this exactly

[south swan]

Huh, i actually need yo test it then

[little raptor]

it might setPos you on the first point tho

not sure about that one

but anyway, the game keeps several movement states, and interpolates between them to generate smooth motion

(so that it doesn't have to simulate stuff every frame and save performance)
this command uses those (maybe pushes to them or something, don't know the exact details)

[sullen sigil]

no worky 😦

deleting submarine reveals box is doing same thing, just kept the submarine so you can see it better

[sullen sigil]

that is with this

[little raptor]

well yeah like I said it makes no diff

[sullen sigil]

wdym

oh with interval

[little raptor]

I mean this

[sullen sigil]

its still somewhat stuttery up close too

but not overly

[little raptor]

imo just take a look at unitPlay

the function might be using something that is better here

e.g. vectorDirVisual vs vectorDir

or getPosASL vs getPosWorld

[sullen sigil]

ah so not the actual svt command itself

i'll look

[little raptor]

unitPlay does use svt

I mean it might use different getters

tho I think for that you should look at unitCapture

unitPlay just uses the values

[sullen sigil]

yeah, unitcapture uses vectordir, vectorup and getposasl

getposasl vs getposworld has made no diff to me before

[little raptor]

then the problem is the calculations

I think the problem is that your interpolation duration is too short

i.e. instead of using an interval of 1 every frame, try to predict the movement using exact equations, and adjust the interval accordingly

[sullen sigil]

and svt across frames having predicted movement?

[little raptor]

kinda

I don't know what equations you currently use for movement

as in what's "controlling" the movement

and what the equations of motion are
but you need well defined pos, vel and acceleration for this to work properly

[sullen sigil]

for xyz movement, its just get ships position in a second according to velocity, take difference between that and current position and multiply by diag_deltaTime

...orientation has no diag_deltatime in it

i didnt write the orientation function because its beyond my knowledge, ampersand did iirc

all of this is just spaghetti to me

only problem is with orientation, not xyz movement too -- that was fixed a few days ago

[south swan]

🧠 make authority only network-transmit control points (including target time), get actual movement with svt in pfh on client

[sullen sigil]

that means nothing to me, if youre talking about a node-based movement system (player clicks and ship goes towards there) i had done that originally but:
a) maintaining speed was a pain in the balls
b) it was really shit

could the issue be with lack of diag_deltatime in orientship?

[little raptor]

well you need accurate motion equations like I said before

[south swan]

inb4 steering behaviors

[sullen sigil]

orientation motion is far beyond my calculus ability

[sullen sigil]

already done that with controls scheme lol

[south swan]

nah, i'm talking something like this series: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OxHJ-o_bbzs

[sullen sigil]

he is saying words i do not understand them

[tribal sinew]

is it possible to disable ambient sound for a particular fence object (i mean the rattling sound)?

Land_BackAlley_01_l_1m_F to be precise

[ornate whale]

Is it possible to find out which enemy units has already detected a player? Like getting an array of unit names? I think that it would be possible with loop in which you would call "targets" function on all the enemy units in the level and looking for the name of the player in those arrays, but it seems too complicated. Is there any easier way?

And second question is? Is there any way how to know if the player was seen when he was detected? I think that when the knowsAbout value is <= 1.35, then he probably only heard the player but not seen.

[granite sky]

You can use knowsAbout instead of targets if you want a simpler check.

but otherwise you're on the right lines.

[ornate whale]

So theres probably no function like Player isDetectedBy ... returns ai1, ai2, ai4

[granite sky]

Nope.

A very basic example:
allUnits select { _x knowsAbout player > 1.5 };

(does not consider enemy vs friend)

[ornate whale]

Nice

Is there a selector like allEnemies or allOpfor?

[granite sky]

there's units opfor

[ornate whale]

ok

thanks

[granite sky]

knowsAbout is more persistent than you might expect. In any sort of fight it'll escalate to 4 and then stay there for ~5min, even if the unit loses track of the target.

[ornate whale]

Yeah XD I measured it already

[granite sky]

hence people will sometimes use the fancier commands like targetKnowledge to filter that down.

[ornate whale]

I will also need the target age value, and that is shown, to my knowledge, only in the "targetKnowledge" command, how long ago he saw me the last time in seconds.

[ornate whale]

How expensive would it be on performance, if I were calling this function every 0.5 seconds for two or three players? That means 6 times per second. With like 30-40 enemies in the game.

[granite sky]

You can test it. Chuck some units down in the editor. Enter the code. Hit that clock button on the mid-left that I never spotted.

[ornate whale]

With one player and 30 enemies it say 0.06 ms 10 000/10 000 count

is it good bad ? XD

But if I put it there three times (3 players) it says this,

[ornate whale]

I also wonder whether setting the player's audiblecoef trait to a low value would affect even the range of the gun fire sound, or only the steps. Does anybody know?

[sage bridge]

Hey, this is my own SQF script, is there a reason as to why the sheep aren't moving? I have the line 19 "_unit = [_BK_random_pos, 250] call BIS_fnc_taskPatrol;" that should in "my theory" work on all of the groups of animals. https://sqfbin.com/mewojulicoxobahavipo this script is chatgpt free. I learned that lesson.

[simple trout]

It's how "effective" the AI are at hearing you. A high value, is the equivalent of you walking around with a boombox alerting your position.
A low value, makes you as quiet as a mouse. But do keep in mind that the coef traits may or may not work right. Case and point the CamouflageCoef is more affected by the config values of your uniform.

[south swan]

Syntax: [group, position, distance, blacklist] call BIS_fnc_taskPatrol
Parameters: group: Group - the group to patrol
https://community.bistudio.com/wiki/BIS_fnc_taskPatrol

[ivory meteor]

Hey another question on textures how do I send it to a friends

[warm hedge]

If you make it a mission will be packed into the pbo

[still forum]

you can also run knowsAbout on a group I think, there will always be fewer groups. Fewer knowsAbout calls == runs faster

[fallen locust]

saved a bottle or 2 of xanax pills

[sullen sigil]

few questions about vectordirandup i hope someone can answer:

• final number of dir does nothing, right?
• both must always have a magnitude of 1?

[south swan]

Z coordinate of dir is used for sure. How else would you make thing's nose point up?

[sullen sigil]

uh
vectorup?

[south swan]

uh, no?

[sullen sigil]

guh, will mess a bit more in 3den to try figure this shit out properly

this confuses me

[south swan]

vectorDir is literally "which direction object's "nose" is pointing at" I'm confused about what's there to be confused about

[sullen sigil]

why not just roll pitch yaw

ok, so
vectorDir:
[eastness, northness, upness]
vectorUp:
[90deg rollness, ??, ??]

[south swan]

vectorUp: [eastness of up, northness of up, upness of up]

[sullen sigil]

who on earth at bohemia decided on this

how can an up be east

oh, rolled to the east
the other two i do not understand

[south swan]

that's pretty standard (and arguably the most understandable) way of dealing with orientations

[sullen sigil]

i hate it

i had been avoiding learning it

(clearly)

[south swan]

you'd hate roll/pitch/yaw as soon as you try to rotate your object around arbitrary axis 🙃

[sullen sigil]

why must you hurt me in this way

i thought the magnitude was supposed to be the objects scale

[south swan]

at this point you may ask for direct transformation matrix access already

[sullen sigil]

you are speaking gibberish to me

(i am going to continue to try avoid vectordirandup) (it does not work)

[south swan]

inb4 https://community.bistudio.com/wiki/BIS_fnc_setObjectRotation 🍿

[sullen sigil]

need to pull most of the code out of that though just to change the final line which isnt too helpful

and my variables arent straight in roll/pitch/yaw either, theyre like 0-1 variables or some shit because of how amp did it 🙃

needs to be relative to the object's rotation which is the majority of the headache here

so pitch up needs to do yaw if its roll is 90 degrees for example

[little raptor]

it is

[sullen sigil]

then why is it ~1.7

[little raptor]

1.7?

where?

[little raptor]

are you summing them?

magnitude is sqrt(x2 + y2 + z2)

[sullen sigil]

oh ofc

ignore me

pea brain kjw

(again)

its evident i failed calculus

[winter rose]

"no, calculus has failed you!"

[sullen sigil]

i think i am understanding now
i need to _orientation vectormodeltoworld _x then subtract current position to get roll/pitch/yaw relative to object then just use BIS_fnc_setObjectRotation?

[little raptor]

wut?

and I don't know why you insist on using that command

[sullen sigil]

if object is banked 90 degrees then pitching 100 degrees up should be same as putting 100 degrees yaw on the object

[sullen sigil]

because i am smooth brain and cannot grasp vectordirandup

so just use the result of it in the svt

[little raptor]

do you know how a cartesian coordinate looks like?

[south swan]

yaaay, #arma3_3dmaths

[sullen sigil]

sounds familiar but i couldnt tell you what it is

oh, yes

[cerulean egret]

Hey all. I'm looking for a way to get ai spawned groups to stop and throw smoke when a helo is within X meters. Any ideas

[little raptor]

yeah that. and then there's z that points upwards (following the right hand rule)
if you attach those coordinates to an object, y is dir and z is up

x can be measured using right hand rule : y * z, so it's not needed

[sullen sigil]

the right hand rule confused me but i think i understand it somewhat now

what about vectorUp though?

[little raptor]

z is up

the coordinates are attached to the object, so object's z is not world z

[sullen sigil]

uhhhhhh
youve lost me now, why is there 3 coordinates for the axis?

[little raptor]

some random image from google

[little raptor]

by z I mean a vector called Z

[little raptor]

btw this one uses Y for up but the point still stands

[sullen sigil]

im sat behind my screen making some very confused faces right now

[little raptor]

which part is confusing?

[sullen sigil]

how on earth dir and up become 3d world vectors

[little raptor]

dir and up are the Y and Z vectors on that object above

[south swan]

vectorDir is, basically, a coordinates of point 1 meter directly before your nose when you're at [0,0,0] coordinates

[sullen sigil]

hang on im going to put an arrow and another object down at 0,0,0 and see if that helps

i think i understand vectordir now

vectorup is still confusing

[south swan]

vectorUp is coordinates of point 1 meter above your head when you're at [0,0,0] position

[bitter palm]

Hello guys
I have a question about arma 2
How to disable magazine icon in arma 2 ace mod when reloading? I can change it to icon or text when reloading
I has searched the configs but no success

[tribal sinew]

Bump (badpokerface.gif)

[little raptor]

well you can just make a loop like so:

[] spawn {
  while {true} do {
    _leaders = groups west apply {leader _x} select {vehicle _x == _x};
    {
      if (time < _x getVariable ["smoke_cooldown", 0]) then {continue};
      _helis = _x nearEntities ["Helicopter", 300];
      if (west countSide _helis > 0) then {
        _x setVariable ["smoke_cooldown", time + 60];
        _smoke = createVehicle ["SmokeShellBlue", ASLtoAGL getPosASL _x];
      };
    } forEach _leaders-allPlayers;
    sleep 5;
  }
}

[little raptor]

you can try disabling its simulation

or replace it with a super simple object

[tribal sinew]

Disabling the simulation didnt work for some reason

Ill try the simple object tho, thanks

[sullen sigil]

my wonderfully complex self teaching methods

[winter rose]

you would have to ask ACE, see their Discord in #channel_invites_list

[sullen sigil]

ok i understand how the variables work, just dont know how i'd go about modifying them for what im doing without converting them to pitch/yaw/bank

[little raptor]

rotation matrices for example

[sullen sigil]

never learnt matrices

[little raptor]

or quaternion but I doubt you know that one

[sullen sigil]

hamilton is a play isnt it

[little raptor]

you just multiply it by a vector and it gives you a new vector

[sullen sigil]

uh
i thought it was the big
0 0 0
0 0 0
0 0 0
thingy

[little raptor]

it is

[sullen sigil]

youve lost me there then

[little raptor]

e.g. rotation about Z axis is:

_mat = [
 [cos _a, -sin _a, 0],
 [sin _a, cos _a, 0],
 [0,0,1]
] 

and if you do (which looks stupid in SQF):

flatten (_mat matrixMultiply (_vec apply {[_x]}))

you get the rotated vector

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rotation_matrix#Rotation_matrix_from_axis_and_angle
and that's a matrix for rotation about arbitrary axis

[sullen sigil]

i assume _a would be how far you're rotating about that axis?

[little raptor]

yeah it's the angle

from that same wikipedia page

[sullen sigil]

so then i just modeltoworld that, right?

[little raptor]

but you don't really need this stuff for what you do as far as I can tell

[sullen sigil]

im just trying to rotate a mf and not have it stutter in mp 😟

what is _vec there? current position?

[little raptor]

any vector (e.g. dir or up)

but not position

[sullen sigil]

ah

[winter rose]

position is not important in rotation unless you do not rotate around your [0,0,0]

[sullen sigil]

so I just need to take pitch, roll and yaw and then shove them into the matrices and somehow make those into vectordirandup and then modeltoworld it?

[little raptor]

let me take a look at your code again before I say anything

but anyway:

somehow make those into vectordirandup
you already have those tho
first you get the full rotation matrix
then you multiply it by vectorDir and up and you get the new ones

[little raptor]

yeah I know it's still up on sqfbin

[sullen sigil]

yeah, just wanted to make sure 😅

[sullen sigil]

but i have 3 numbers to convert into 2 vectors, no?

[little raptor]

well you're rotating 1 object

so those 3 angles become one rotation matrix

and get multiplied by dir and up (and side, but again that's redundant, because right hand rule gives you that) the same way

[sullen sigil]

so i assume i wouldnt just be straight up using roll pitch yaw as _vec? 😅

[little raptor]

no those are angles

[sullen sigil]

im confused what this means

[little raptor]

you can use them to calculate that big matrix

[sullen sigil]

oh, they all become one matrix?

[little raptor]

alpha beta and gamma

[sullen sigil]

oh wait

yeah

but then im still with 3 matrices to 2 arrays, right?

[little raptor]

it's one matrix

[sullen sigil]

oh so yaw matrix is multiplied by pitch matrix is multiplied by roll matrix?

[little raptor]

yes

they result in one matrix

which is shown in that image

[sullen sigil]

then I'd feed object's current vectordir and current vectorup into this as _vec?

[little raptor]

yep

[sullen sigil]

okay then modeltoworld those? 😅

[little raptor]

but not sure if that's the problem in your code

[south swan]

roll is 2d in modelspace. New modelspace vectorUp would be [sin _rollAngle, 0, cos _rollAngle]. So _veh setVectorDirAndUp [vectorDir _veh, vectorModelToWorldVisual [sin _rollAngle, 0, cos _rollAngle]]; should apply the roll relative to model?

[little raptor]

no they're already in world coords

[little raptor]

alternative way is this yes

[sullen sigil]

but needs to be pitch up makes object pitch up in modelspace rather than worldspace else you'd be rolled 90 degrees and have some fucky shit, no?

[little raptor]

you can just use that matrix in model space

and it gives you the new dir and up in model space

which you can vectorModelToWorld

[sullen sigil]

im confused what this means

i think i understand what leopard is saying now

[sullen sigil]

oh so i just modeltoworld the resultant vectors as pitch roll and yaw are provided in modelspace?

[little raptor]

each column of that matrix is the new side (x), dir (y) and up (z) after applying those rotations

[sullen sigil]

im somewhat confused by what is actually a column and what is not in that instance but i think i can figure it out

[little raptor]

if you use the new image for caluclations, you already have the vectors

so no need for matrices

[little raptor]

the column is the vector. it's just rotated

[
x
y
z
]

[sullen sigil]

oh roger

[south swan]

https://tenor.com/view/cartwheel-sign-spinner-sign-dancing-signage-arrow-gif-15896406

[sullen sigil]

i think i understand it now

[little raptor]

e.g side vector (in model space) is:
[cos a * cos b, sin a * sin b, - sin b]
which you need to vectorModelToWorld

[sullen sigil]

ya i understand it was just reading it wrong

i dont need to have side in the matrix though do i?

[little raptor]

no

you need the dir and up

and you don't need the matrix anymore

just a reminder

[sullen sigil]

is it not more convenient to keep the calculation in a matrix?

[little raptor]

well in SQF it just looks weird
using those vectors directly might also be faster

[sullen sigil]

fair enough lol

[south swan]

 //BIS_fnc_transformVectorDirAndUp
#define R_YAW [[cos _yaw, sin _yaw, 0], [-sin _yaw, cos _yaw, 0], [0, 0, 1]]
#define R_PITCH [[1, 0, 0], [0, cos _pitch, sin _pitch], [0, -sin _pitch, cos _pitch]]
#define R_ROLL [[cos _roll, 0, -sin _roll], [0, 1, 0], [sin _roll, 0, cos _roll]]

params [["_vectorDirAndUp", [[0, 1, 0], [0, 0, 1]]], ["_yaw", 0], ["_pitch", 0], ["_roll", 0]]; 
_vectorDirAndUp matrixMultiply R_YAW matrixMultiply R_PITCH matrixMultiply R_ROLL```

[sullen sigil]

private _dir = [
            cos _yaw sin _pitch sin _roll - sin _yaw cos _roll,
             sin _yaw sin _pitch sin _roll + cos _yaw cos _roll,
            cos _pitch sin _roll
        ];```
![meowsweats](https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/707626030613135390.webp?size=128 "meowsweats")

[south swan]

so run the function that's pre-written by KK in modelspace, convert the result to worldspace, done 🙃

[sullen sigil]

this does look very silly in sqf

[little raptor]

you need * between those

[sullen sigil]

oh ofc

private _dir = [
            cos _yaw * sin _pitch * sin _roll - sin _yaw * cos _roll,
             sin _yaw * sin _pitch * sin _roll + cos _yaw * cos _roll,
            cos _pitch * sin _roll
        ];
        private _up = [
            cos _yaw * sin _pitch * cos _roll + sin _yaw * sin _roll,
            sin _yaw * sin _pitch * cos _roll - cos _yaw * sin _roll,
            cos _pitch * cos _roll
        ];```
![meowsweats](https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/707626030613135390.webp?size=128 "meowsweats")

this looks horrible

so then I'm just multiplying the two vectors together?

[little raptor]

no

[sullen sigil]

i.e vectorDir * _dir for new dir

[south swan]

you vectorModelToWorldVisual both of them and setVectorDirAndUp the result

[little raptor]

they are the new _dir and _up in model space, after being rotated that much

so those _roll _yaw _pitch you wrote are actually deltas (_droll, _dpitch, _dyaw)

[sullen sigil]

yeah they are in the code, i dont understand how they're deltas though as you dont feed the original in?

oh ofc

modeltoworld guh

[south swan]

as in "rotate this much degrees/radians from the current orientation"

original orientation is taken care of by modelToWorld

[sullen sigil]

this does look suspiciously like what it was before though

[little raptor]

it is wrong tho

your _dir and _up are already in world coords

as far as I see in your code

[sullen sigil]

uh

how

wait in the noted bit or what ive just written

[little raptor]

aren't your roll pitch stuff in world?

[south swan]

aren't _dir and _up pure trigs in the screenshot, though?

[little raptor]

e.g. when you provide a yaw of 90 degrees, you face west right?

[sullen sigil]

no theyre just like 0-1 values

[little raptor]

which screenshot?

[sullen sigil]

in previous code providing [0,0,1] would make it turn until eased back down by regular breaking

which is just the variable being taken back down by a different script (fn_turnShip on the sqfbin)

[south swan]

this screenshot, uncommented part

pure trig = modelspace from current rotation, ja?

[little raptor]

ok then I guess it's in model then

[little raptor]

well yes which is why I said let me look at your code

I don't know what the problem is exactly

but if it looked ok before, then that part was not the problem

[south swan]

except old code seemingly tried to do rotations in worldspace (which doesn't end good)

[sullen sigil]

its working though the controls are a bit fucked right now, going to test on dedi in a few

i.e clearly something is different to before

[little raptor]

so I don't fully understand your code, but it seems you do this:

1. user provides input
2. you set the new target orientation and target speed
3. you use those to generate motion

[sullen sigil]

yes

so if i do
_ship setVariable ["KJW_CapitalShips_TargetVelocity",[0,500,0],true]; it will make the ship accelerate up to 500ms forwards or its max speed, whichever is lower

similar principle is done for ship turning

the odd part is this also reversed the direction ships are flying in for some reason

i.e theyre all going backwards now

[south swan]

eventually ™️

[sullen sigil]

this game engine will not beat me

[little raptor]

I guess your directions were reversed

[sullen sigil]

still juddering 🙃

[little raptor]

well yeah that part's not the issue

the actual motion is

most likely velocity vector

[sullen sigil]

xyz movement remains smooth though so thats being interpolated properly

[little raptor]

what about the plane?

[sullen sigil]

exact same thing

[south swan]

inb4 it's setVectorDirAndUp fighting with setVelocityTransformation for orientation authority 🤣

[sullen sigil]

im not using setvectordirandup

only initship there runs on the server and that runs once to init the ship

and the rest of them also only run once

have also str the function on the server to check and it was updated properly

would vectordirvisual have any difference? 🤔

[little raptor]

it does but I don't think you should use it with svt

[south swan]

but still worth trying

[sullen sigil]

yeah probably worth giving it a shot on the off chance

but fairly sure this is just no interpolation being done by the engine

oh ofc i can only use dirvisual on the old positions

possible that could still have an impact tho, ill test

[kindred tide]

what happens if you walk on the aircraft carrier deck when it's flying

[sullen sigil]

you get teleported to its "interior"

so you can land on them

[kindred tide]

is the interior a static object located at [0,0,0]

[sullen sigil]

trying to come up with a clever pip solution so you can see outside it on the static ship but that can come after it works in mp first

[sullen sigil]

no, [0,0,10000]

but otherwise yes

smoothly landing/taking off with vtol is quite easy

just have a handful of bugs that need sorting

but its all useless if this doesnt work first so

[kindred tide]

i'm yet to perform one experiment... i attached houses to NPC heads with a high offset and made them (houses) fly, and wanted to see what happens if i'm inside such house as it moves

[sullen sigil]

youll fall through probably

arma doesnt like moving and standing on stuff

[kindred tide]

in A2 there's a cargo parachute, and when my character transforms back to human from crow form, if there's such a parachute in its path to ground, it blocks the character's movement

even tho the parachute's moving

[sullen sigil]

arma moment

[kindred tide]

i'm yet to nail a landing on it to try to walk on the parachute

[little raptor]

what if you try this:
#community_wiki message

that ones too slow I think

let me make some adjustments

[sullen sigil]

rgr

testing visual now

yeah visual still judders :/

[kindred tide]

are you sure your movement is happening in the same tick with rendering

[south swan]

no for sure

[sullen sigil]

its not

[south swan]

setVelocityTransformation pushes stuff to queue for engine to crunch at some later frame 🤣

[sullen sigil]

wasnt expecting it to work, just getting desperate lol

[kindred tide]

i have an idea how to do it now, actually. transform to crow, fly into the house, transform back to human, order the unit the house is attached to to move

[south swan]

or just disable battleye and run 2 clients in separate windows

[sullen sigil]

me who never enables battleye

[little raptor]

try this with your submarine:

spd = 25;
duration = 5000 / spd;
heli allowDamage false;
timer = 0;
onEachFrame {
    if (isGamePaused) exitWith {};
    if (timer > duration) exitWith {onEachFrame ""};
    _dt = diag_deltaTime * accTime;
    timer = timer + _dt;
    _d1 = vectorDir heli;
    _u1 = vectorUp heli;
    _d2 = vectorNormalized [sin (200 * timer), 1, cos (200  * timer)];
    _u2 = [sin (200 * timer), 0, cos (200  * timer)];
    _up = (_d2 vectorCrossProduct _u2) vectorCrossProduct _d2;
    _p1 = getPosWorld heli;
    _v1 = velocity heli;
    _v2 = _d2 vectorMultiply spd;
    _p2 = _p1 vectorAdd (_v2 vectorMultiply _dt);
    heli setVelocityTransformation [_p1, _p2, _v1, _v2, _d1, _d2, _u1, _u2, 1, [0,0,0]];
}

[sullen sigil]

with the physx box or the plane one?

or both?

[little raptor]

well name your submarine "heli" 😅

whichever you want

[sullen sigil]

the submarine itself or the logic object? 😅

[little raptor]

I'd say the sub itself

[sullen sigil]

I can try both tbf

[little raptor]

first try it in SP to see what to expect

[sullen sigil]

no restart needed

[little raptor]

let me remove some useless stuff from it

ok now it's better

[sullen sigil]

on logic object

i was going to turn the music off but for some reason its so funny like this

[little raptor]

why does it jump when it's near the top?

[kindred tide]

gimbal lock maybe

is it using quats

[sullen sigil]

unsure, doesn't happen when using just the sub object

[little raptor]

wut? no

[little raptor]

is it smooth that way?

[little raptor]

wait is this in SP?

[sullen sigil]

dedi

[sullen sigil]

ish, bit juddery though

think jumping is being caused by capital ships scripts tho

setting ownership to me (stops capital ships running) and running eachframe on server is smooth

yeah, spawned a box and named it heli while eachframe is on server and thats fine

[little raptor]

so in conclusion if you provide correct values, and still use 1 for interval, the result is correct

[sullen sigil]

so must be my values are still wrong

[little raptor]

well yeah

take a look at that script I modified (ignore how the _u2 and _d2 were calculated, that's a mess)

update the position and velocity vectors like that

see if it makes a diff

[sullen sigil]

wdym? have them in the same script? 😅

forgot to disable ping mb

[little raptor]

I mean how you calculate the next pos and velocity in svt

do you do it like that?

[sullen sigil]

this just updates "KJW_CapitalShips_SVT_Rotation" variable which is then used in new svt orientation

[little raptor]

also your dir and up must start from current vectordir and up

[sullen sigil]

they do

private _rotation = _x getVariable ["KJW_CapitalShips_SVT_Rotation", [vectorDir _x, vectorUp _x]];
private _vectorDir = _rotation#0;
private _vectorUp = _rotation#1;
private _oldDir = vectorDir _x;
private _oldUp = vectorUp _x;
_x setVelocityTransformation [_newPos, _newPos, _velocityWorldspace, _velocityWorldspace, _oldDir, _vectorDir, _oldUp, _vectorUp, 0.999, [0,0,0]];```

[tough abyss]

is there any command to log a string in a server's rpt?

[sullen sigil]

...could be due to the position stuff?

[sullen sigil]

diag_log

[little raptor]

yes
velocity too

[tough abyss]

thx

[sullen sigil]

i swear to god if its because i dont have the old position asl there

[little raptor]

world you mean

[sullen sigil]

ye

done it for velocity too

[little raptor]

calculate velocity and pos like so:

_p1 = getPosWorld heli;
    _v1 = velocity heli;
    //_v2 = _d2 vectorMultiply spd;
    _p2 = _p1 vectorAdd (_v2 vectorMultiply _dt);

well _v2 can be whatev you want

[sullen sigil]

p2 is new position yes

i think i already do it like that just in reverse for p2

private _velocity = _x getVariable ["KJW_CapitalShips_MovingVelocity", [0,0,0]]; //returns in modelspace
private _pos = getPosWorld _x;
private _nextSecPos = _x modelToWorldWorld _velocity;//visualworld still untested
private _velocityWorldspace = _pos vectorDiff _nextSecPos;
private _newPos = _pos vectorAdd (_velocityWorldspace vectorMultiply diag_deltaTime);
//svt stuff begin
private _rotation = _x getVariable ["KJW_CapitalShips_SVT_Rotation", [vectorDir _x, vectorUp _x]];
private _vectorDir = _rotation#0;
private _vectorUp = _rotation#1;
private _oldDir = vectorDir _x;
private _oldUp = vectorUp _x;
private _oldVel = velocity _x;
_x setVelocityTransformation [_pos, _newPos, _oldVel, _velocityWorldspace, _oldDir, _vectorDir, _oldUp, _vectorUp, 0.999, [0,0,0]];```

if vsc helps (probably not because of my font)

[little raptor]

try it

[sullen sigil]

ya doing so now

tcadmin just takes fucking forever to show updates

[kindred tide]

oh man i just found this in the cfg transportVehiclesCount , does this mean i can vehicle1 moveInCargo vehicle2; ?

[sullen sigil]

ok thank god its not because of that

its still juddering

[south swan]

different set of commands. Related doc: https://community.bistudio.com/wiki/Arma_3:_Vehicle_in_Vehicle_Transport

[kindred tide]

i see

i have my own thing for this already tho lol

[sullen sigil]

why is _dt = diag_deltaTime*accTime?

oh, just to make speeding up smooth

my only guess is my values are still wrong then

but i have no clue why

[little raptor]

in case the user is using time acceleration

diag_deltaTime is based on FPS, not in-game time

[sullen sigil]

ya i gotchu

yeah its a lack of engine interpolation not just render being slow either, just double checked the vectorup on client and its only changing in the jerks

big brain moment

calcs are wrong and game is correcting them (i think?)

pause at any point

[little raptor]

what is wrong?

[sullen sigil]

the systemchats are the values i use for the svt then the actual vectordirandup

they dont match

[little raptor]

like I said they're delayed

svt is not instant

[sullen sigil]

oh, nvm then

would explain why theres stuff being repeated

[sullen sigil]

couldn't be caused by a lack of diag_deltaTime stuff in here, could it?

really cannot figure this out at all

[ornate whale]

How to combine two conditions (>0 and <=1.35) in one simple select expression here? targetedBy = units opfor select {_x knowsAbout Hardy <= 1.35 && >0};

[sullen sigil]

have to do _x knowsabout Hardy > 0

[winter rose]

properly

targetedBy = units opfor select {
  private _knowsAbout = _x knowsAbout Hardy;
  _knowsAbout <= 1.35 && _knowsAbout > 0;
};

you can do per group as knowsAbout is shared across group units

[astral bone]

I have a weird question, I am curious about a way to have scripts I use alot be put into a single spot, without making them into an addon? Such as, for example (although I doubt this is possible) a folder in profile with a config file and fn_function.sqf files

[sullen sigil]

use advanced developer tools and you can save them

[kindred tide]

none of my scripts are in the addon

that would require restarting the game and repacking the pbo every time i change something

[astral bone]

I am more thinking about stuff to call from the mission. But then useable across missions.

[sullen sigil]

easy

[kindred tide]

in your init EH you can just pass the object type as parameter and call some global INIT function that from there loads an appropriate SQF etc, none of this will have to be in the pbo except for the init EH in the config

class EventHandlers
{            
  init = "(_this select 0) execVM 'module_framework\register.sqf';";
};    ```

[astral bone]

Right now I have it set up to be fn_exmaple.sqf via description.ext

oh yea- so what I want, probably no

[little raptor]

you can use filepatching

you just make a folder in your arma 3 installation folder (or symlink to there), and put your stuff there

then you can use execVM, etc. normally

[astral bone]

filepatching?

[little raptor]

it's a command line option (also available in launcher)

-filepatching

[sullen sigil]

have tried shoving all the calcs in here instead with no dice

[little raptor]

the problem could be how you read those values in the next frame

to calculate the new values

for example, how do you calculate the new velocity?

[astral bone]

although, would I be able to use them like cfgFunctions useage?

although that is interesting x3

[little raptor]

without making a mod, no

[astral bone]

aww

[sullen sigil]

new velocity is calculated by a different pfh which takes config values and adds to _MovingVelocity variable

[astral bone]

still tho, interesting.

[sullen sigil]

that's the variable that gets used in the ship movement function

[astral bone]

oh how would it interact with MP? xD

[little raptor]

not recommended for MP at all

[sullen sigil]

orientation has KJW_CapitalShips_TargetOrientation which doesn't actually do anything

[little raptor]

well what's the starting value tho?

[sullen sigil]

wdym? in the svt?

[little raptor]

you need a value to start with

[sullen sigil]

[0,0,0] is default value for it

same for orientation

[little raptor]

I mean the value that you start with and update

e.g. you take the current velocity, use acceleration to add to it, and that becomes the new velocity

kind of thing

[sullen sigil]

yes thats what i do

with acceleration just being how much velocity can increase in 1 second

[astral bone]

just get kicked from every server I join xD
although- What about a syslink in the mission folder?

[little raptor]

well ok but do you actually use the velocity or do you use getVariable with a fake velocity?

[astral bone]

Does that need file patching or-

[sullen sigil]

getvariable yeah

i dont ever read the current velocity for modifying it

[little raptor]

that could be a problem

not sure but could

verify if velocity and your fake one are different

[sullen sigil]

I mean, I can just change _x getVariable ["KJW_CapitalShips_MovingVelocity", [0,0,0]]; //returns in modelspace for velocityModelspace _x;

[little raptor]

I don't understand the question

[astral bone]

could I do a symlink* without filepatching

[little raptor]

yes

afaik

[proven charm]

I'm using hardlinks to have same files across multiple mission folders

not sure if that's the ideal but it seem to work

[sullen sigil]

they are different however thats mostly due to velocityModelspace having some incredibly small number rather than 0

ffs forgot to disable ping again

sorry

can try use velocitymodelspace instead of my fake velocity and see how that goes?

though the fake velocity is just used to tell my script what to set as the new velocity

[little raptor]

_x modelToWorldWorld _velocity;//visualworld still untested
wut? you do know that vectorModelToWorld exists right?

[sullen sigil]

...that'll be why it was still sinking downwards 😅

thanks lol

[little raptor]

your equation is backwards. that's why

[sullen sigil]

which one?

[little raptor]

private _nextSecPos = _x modelToWorldWorld _velocity;//visualworld still untested
private _velocityWorldspace = _pos vectorDiff _nextSecPos;

it should be _nextSecPos vectorDiff _pos

[sullen sigil]

yeah already reversed that

[little raptor]

but again just use vectorModelToWorld:

_velocityWorldspace = _x vectorModelToWorld  _velocity;

[sullen sigil]

https://sqfbin.com/oyifuqohemugovoholun

[little raptor]

no

[sullen sigil]

I'm confused

[little raptor]

see what I wrote

[sullen sigil]

yeah

surely though you'd have like 10000ms velocity if 10000m away from [0,0,0] that way

[little raptor]

with your equation (the one you just posted) yeah

it's completely wrong

at least the old one just had the dir wrong

[sullen sigil]

I'll use what you said though I don't understand it

[little raptor]

vectorModelToWorld transforms a vector

[sullen sigil]

surely player vectorModelToWorld [0,500,0]; returns 500m in front of the player in world space?

[astral bone]

interesting

[little raptor]

modelToWorldWorld transform a position vector

they're different things

[sullen sigil]

i think i may be misunderstanding how the two commands work

[little raptor]

when you transform a vector its magnitude reminas the same. it just rotates it

[sullen sigil]

ah

i get you now

[little raptor]

when you transform a pos, you first rotate the vector (so it becomes a world vector), then add it to the object's pos

[sullen sigil]

doubt that's causing the issue though

[little raptor]

well you get a thousand m/s speed vs the correct one

so it does mess up the interpolation

[sullen sigil]

yeah, i mean just fixing it from what was being used before

[little raptor]

well yeah shouldn't

[sullen sigil]

i.e changing a 9e-8 to a 0

[little raptor]

it fixes the current one

[sullen sigil]

ya

have also checked vectordirvisual again and theres no difference at all

which is to be expected

but ive no clue whats going wrong here

[cerulean egret]

Thank you thank you thankyou.thank you..
I think you just solved my problem. If anything you got me alot closer to my end goal.
I'll let you know how it goes tonight when I try this

[little raptor]

consolidatre all your eachFrame loops too

[sullen sigil]

have already tried that in the past and for some reason it breaks

[little raptor]

then your equations are wrong

[sullen sigil]

both with them all in the same pfh and changing them into functions and calling them within an eachframe

[little raptor]

it shouldn't

[sullen sigil]

even just putting the orientation stuff above the move stuff caused it to just fall to the floor
even though it was svting fine

[little raptor]

basically your loop should calculate the stuff then use them in svt:

{
  _x call Update;
  _x call SVT;
} forEach blabla;

[sullen sigil]

yeah, i copy pasted the orientation into the top of this and it was just all falling to the floor

submarine is still slowly sinking downwards too

[little raptor]

then fix it

if it doesn't work then that's definitely the problem

you must calculate everything in very careful sequences

throwing them randomly into multiple per frame events is not a good idea

[cyan onyx]

Hello, does anyone have the class name for the stealth black wasp and shikra that have a dynamic loadout?

I have looked into cfgVehicles West and East but no luck there

[little raptor]

spawn them in 3den, then right click and select find in ... uhm ... something. don't remember what it was called

[sullen sigil]

so i should try squish them all into the same cba pfh?

or function call out to them etc etc

[little raptor]

not just one pfh but preferably also the same loop

[sullen sigil]

so ideally don't have function calls out of it?

[little raptor]

I don't know what you mean by "function calls out of it"

[cyan onyx]

I'm gonna try that

[sullen sigil]

using [_x] call KJW_CapitalShips_fnc_turnShip; which would just be the same code but not inside a pfh

[little raptor]

you can try that too

make sure they're done in correct order tho

[sullen sigil]

I had done that before but it still broke it

Think it might be worth just rewriting most of this into one pfh

[little raptor]

it is yes

[vagrant trellis]

any way to make a button that will allow players to change sides
example you walk up to a locker "you spawn in as a civ" then you scroll wheel and it will say swich sides "bluefor" is that a thing?

[winter rose]

I deleted your messages in #arma3_scenario

[vagrant trellis]

was just about to do that thanks

[cyan onyx]

Nice, got the wasp and shikra to work, thanks

[sullen sigil]

rewrote it all in one go, works first time... hmmmmmmm

sus

[astral bone]

symlink seems to work?

[winter rose]

I know the feeling 😄

[sullen sigil]

and ofc the second i update it finally on tcadmin i notice an issue

meh, i can test turning while im at it

[proven charm]

i have symbolic link to one folder and that works but symbolic links work only in some cases (folders)

I used hardlinks for other cases... (files)

[sullen sigil]

good news it doesnt all work first time at all

so, good news is it's no longer changing how juddery it is with distance & its all in one function now
bad news is i have not got a clue how to resolve it, advice would be appreciated 😅
https://sqfbin.com/oqekekeninejogilanek

(youre welcome for the proper indentation lou)

[winter rose]

that made me click

sqfbin gave up on you on syntax highlighting though 😄

[sullen sigil]

i think its having issues on notes at the start of dumps or something

nope, it just straight up doesnt do it if i remove the note at the start either

[little raptor]

iirc it's related to #

[winter rose]

https://sqfbin.com/ijofaboduwupesevuxuc

[sullen sigil]

it is indeed
https://sqfbin.com/inosakuwejutolusipeq

[winter rose]

still missing a lot

ah yep, use select

# is an abomination

[sullen sigil]

im just find and replacing # out in future then 🤷

[sullen sigil]

its easy to type

[little raptor]

@finite dirge btw any chance for a fix? (sorry about the ping)

[sullen sigil]

think the issue could be to do with velocity looking like this when stationary

[little raptor]

I didn't get what you mean

is it smooth now?

[sullen sigil]

no, but the juddering doesn't get worse with distance now

i'll record a video give me a second to sort the server

[sullen sigil]

whereas here you can see it gets jerkier the further the camera is from it

[little raptor]

also instead of this whole thing:

if (_x < _currentTargetVel) then {
    _newVelocityModelspace pushBack ((_currentModelVel + ) min _currentMaxVel);
} else
{
    if (_x isEqualTo _currentTargetVel) then {
        _newVelocityModelspace pushBack _x;
    } else { //Less than. There is likely a better way to do this, however I am tired and just want this to work ffs
        _newVelocityModelspace pushBack ((_currentModelVel - ((_config_Deceleration select _forEachIndex)*diag_deltaTime)) max (_currentMaxVel * -1));
    }
};

you can just write:

_diff = _currentTargetVel - _x;
_sign = [1, -1] select (_diff < 0);
_dv = (_config_Acceleration select _forEachIndex) * diag_deltaTime;
_new = _x + _sign * (abs(_diff) min _dv);
_newVelocityModelspace pushBack _new;

it doesn't take into account the _currentMaxVel thing but you should not let _currentTargetVel become greater than that value in the first place

[sullen sigil]

yeah moreso concerned if people set it higher than that
but I'll do that, thanks

[little raptor]

this part doesn't make any sense to me:

{
    private _turnSpeed = _config_TurnSpeed select _forEachIndex;
    _newOrientation pushBack ((_x min _turnSpeed) max _turnSpeed * -1);
} forEach _targetOrientation;

you're using _x the same as speed? wut?

is targetOrientation a diff?

[sullen sigil]

targetOrientation is the yaw roll pitch thing

[little raptor]

well I know

but is it a diff?

how is it provided?

[sullen sigil]

diff being differential? I'm confused

[little raptor]

difference

[sullen sigil]

yes

delta in modelspace

[little raptor]

how do you calculate KJW_CapitalShips_TargetOrientation tho?

[sullen sigil]

that's just in a pfh for the pilot controls for

private _roll = diag_deltaTime *5* (inputAction "AirBankLeft" - inputAction "AirBankRight");
private _yaw = diag_deltaTime *5* (inputAction "MoveForward" - inputAction "MoveBack");
private _pitch = diag_deltaTime *5* (inputAction "HeliRudderRight" - inputAction "HeliRudderLeft");
_ship setVariable ["KJW_CapitalShips_TargetOrientation", [_yaw, _roll, _pitch]];```

but im just using setvariable in zeus

[little raptor]

as in they're constant?

when you test?

[sullen sigil]

yes

[little raptor]

well from what I see your code looks almost correct

the way you calculate velocity doesn't seem to be

[sullen sigil]

doesn't seem to be? 😅

[little raptor]

yes. using the model coordinates for calculating new velocity is not right

let me ask you another question

does the ship always move "forward"?

as in can it have velocity to the side or up (like lift)?

[sullen sigil]

ah

[south swan]

very sane assumption/simplification if we're not intending to implement AFM for it 🙃

[sullen sigil]

atm yes but it can have other velocities

i.e controlsnly have forwards

[little raptor]

do you simulate lift?

[tulip ridge]

There's not a way to check if a player is aiming down sights right?
Been looking around on the wiki but wanted to double check

[little raptor]

aiming down as in zooming or you actually just mean aiming?

[sullen sigil]

not lift as in from air resistance but i intend on having hold ctrl+shift or something to increase vertical velocity

all 3 numbers need to work

in an ideal world

but at the least forwards and upwards

[little raptor]

well for now I'd say just use speed

[south swan]

still sounds like a perfectly fine arcade "physics"

[little raptor]

i.e. just a single component

[tulip ridge]

Looking down the sight, where you get switched to first person if you're in third, etc.

[sullen sigil]

as in just take #0 and #2 of the current velocity leopard?

[little raptor]

afaik no that's not possible

but if you meant zooming you could use the FOV

[tulip ridge]

That's what I figured, just wanted to see if I was missing something

Thanks 👍

[sullen sigil]

though would be nice if i would be able to just have all directions of motion from the off so i never have to touch this damn function again

[south swan]

cameraView returns "GUNNER" if player is ADS-ing

[sullen sigil]

gunner player

[little raptor]

try this for now:
https://sqfbin.com/guxumitibofahopeseti

just for a quick test

[sullen sigil]

roger, thanks 🙂

[little raptor]

wait let me correct one thing 😅

https://sqfbin.com/sehefafazekawabuyasi

I forgot to move _newPosition lower

anyway, it should work unless I forgot to edit something

[sullen sigil]

i shall test now, thanks

[little raptor]

I'm curious if it looks ok now. if it does then your velocity computation was the main culprit

[sullen sigil]

and if it doesnt then we must make a sacrifice to miller

its now always going backwards and is still juddering in its turning 😅

[little raptor]

what is _targetOrientation?

its now always going backwards
if it is it means your ship is reversed

[sullen sigil]

i set it to [0,0,40]

[sullen sigil]

i think so lmao i have to build them backwards and just never fixed that bug

[little raptor]

what is _newOrientation?

[sullen sigil]

just orientation clamped to config values

[little raptor]

I know I mean its value

[sullen sigil]

ah, sub's is turnspeed[] = {0.05, 0.05, 0.05}; //Maximum turning speed. Yaw, roll, pitch.

[south swan]

wot. Why does shooting 3 wheels of a quadbike change its origin? (at least it moves like 1-1.5 meters down when being setPosASL'd every frame)

[little raptor]

it changes its land contact

try this too:
https://sqfbin.com/boxaqarehaqolodukagu

I used the matrices to rotate the dir and up

instead of vectorModelToWorld

[sullen sigil]

I think that makes sense

[sullen sigil]

nope, still juddering and is going forwards when unwanted

[tough abyss]

anyone know if cheats work in mp? specifically https://community.bistudio.com/wiki/Arma_3:_Cheats#FPS guessing not just wanting to use the limit fps line and cant see it in biki for clientside launcher params and/or player.vars

[wary needle]

anyone have an aas comp, like in squad where the "frontline is the active objective". i know its possible without much scripting, but i really dont want to do it

[finite bone]

Is Global Exec JIP?

[granite sky]

Depends how you do it.

[wary needle]

for some reason i cant get this sqf file to run on pub zeus

[finite bone]

Can you elaborate?

[granite sky]

When you run remoteExec you can choose whether it's JIP or not.

[finite bone]

Yea remote Exec is fine

but when you execute via Global exec?

[granite sky]

debug console "global" button is not JIP, if that's what you mean.

[finite bone]

ah ok then

[granite sky]

It's just a plain remoteExec with target 0.

[wary needle]

https://sqfbin.com/cibivejusokolejawopo

[granite sky]

well, probably remoteExecCall.

[tough abyss]

As on assign objectives directly to a player based on range?

[wary needle]

kinda. say we have 3 objs a, b, c

blue captures a and b

and red gets c