#arma3_model

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stuck oyster
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sample house has a pathlod that you can use as reference

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dont think anyone has made a guide on that

woeful viper
clever ibex
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Hello all. I was wondering what the fastest way to set up AI paths on a model is or if there is a nice tutorial out there to use and alos: do the points need to be labeled? I'm aware of the automation script that comes with O2 so if thats a yes then I can make quickly

fallen solar
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Hey, I made my first model and was wondering if there are any rough estimates I can get for the amount of verts/faces I should aim for to have my model be optimised. I.e whats the average amount of faces for weapons. Thanks 👍

woeful viper
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for MG/AR up to 10k triangles is normal

stuck oyster
ember ingot
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The 3D scope example that is in Arma 3 samples

crimson sinew
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Dangit I can't post pics

median bough
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Use imgur or any other image hoster, then share the link here

crimson sinew
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So the first image is in blender, and the rest are in-game

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In the last image you can see my node setup

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So it's using the nohq, smdi, co textures

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The same ones that are in the mod

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But the mod looks jank in-game?

crimson sinew
stuck oyster
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node setup does not transfer into Arma

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Arma uses its own material file .rvmat to connect shaders and shader requried textures to a model

crimson sinew
stuck oyster
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well the shaders and lighting are very different so it wont look exactly the same

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Also your normalmap colorspace need to be non-color to work right if I recall right

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and Blender uses Y+ normalmap and Arma Y- normalmap so you would need to also take that into account

crimson sinew
crimson sinew
stuck oyster
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have you assigned an rvmat to the model?

leaden sun
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linear, not SRGB

woeful viper
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if that first image is how its supposed to look, then i'd wager you will have a hard time making it look like that in arma. You would have to bump up reflective value beyond eleven. And only reason original images doesnt look radio active is because of the environmentmap the render uses, and the shader

leaden sun
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just noticed the url, derp.

First issue, blender renders use the more common nowadays Metallic/Rough shaders, while Arma uses a type of Spec/Gloss.

In order to get something close to this appearance you will need to use two rvmats, for unique specular colors for the green and visor orange, then drive the fresnel value to NK 1.33,10

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you will likely need to darken your _co texture as well, and make sure your sharp edges are exporting, lots of smoothing artifacts on the ingame pics.

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second issue, VR is a great map to test performance but terrible for visuals, lighting will be flat and intense, you should instead use Stratis to check that.

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and another blender node/ general tip. The only images that should be SRGB are those with color data, such as diffuse and albedo. All else should be linear, as they are greyscale.

quick kelp
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Hey, could anyone help me out with a config template for a building ?

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Thanks

crimson sinew
crimson sinew
crimson sinew
crimson sinew
marsh canyon
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Just use Editor to spawn

crimson sinew
marsh canyon
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What - how you didn't

crimson sinew
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Also, I could send over my files if someone could look over them and see what mistakes I'm making

marsh canyon
crimson sinew
crimson sinew
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Looks pretty good!

crimson sinew
stuck oyster
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You start editor on straits and put down unit and edit its loadout so that he has the thing you want to test. Also you can save that mission for faster retesting

crimson sinew
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Well, I think I've narrowed down the issue to the Blender toolbox export

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I think that the export is fooked

median bough
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if you really think it's an issue with the blender toolbox, contact Alwarren

stuck oyster
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@crimson sinew have you set up the o2script path in the toolbox addon settings

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toolbox should work just fine if its set up correctly

crimson sinew
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Well, I was thinking it might be a toolbox issue because of the smoothing groups, but after exporting to fbx and mainstakingly setting each export up in OB... I'm not seeing any difference in-game

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Because when I opened up the export in OB, it had weird shading. But the FBX one showed the smoothing groups nicely

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But in-game they're both the same @.@

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^ How it looks in OB now

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in-game it looks the same as my last imgur

stuck oyster
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OK so simple debug. Remove textures and material from it and pack it to see it in game

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Then add only the texture to see what that looks like

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And then add the rvmat to see how that looks like.

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And also put the rvmat to pastebin

crimson sinew
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How can I remove stuff without pboproject giving a missing file error?

stuck oyster
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Don't remove files. Remove the texture and material assigning from the model

crimson sinew
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Here's the pastebin

crimson sinew
stuck oyster
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I was expecting that. Can you screenshot all your textures?

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And what it looks like in game without material applied

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Just color texture

crimson sinew
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@stuck oyster alright if I DM you?

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The lack of posting permissions is a tad oof

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If I can't though then I shall imgur again

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Well, I uploaded to imgur anyhow!

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First 3 pics are it in-game without a material

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Then the rest are the textures

hybrid frigate
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Are named selections caps sensitive? I notice in the house example in samples the "ActionBegin1" in the named selection and "actionBegin1" in the config are different caps wise.

stuck oyster
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the main problem you probably have is the smdi which is a bit weird and not actually made for the UV mapping

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and well also your color texture is not baked so it does not quite work right in the visor and such

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but main issue is likely the smdi that is not correct

round bloom
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If you want to make a heli able to land on water, should it just need a Geo Buoyancy LOD and buoyancy = 1 in the geo lod properties?

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I've done that so far and it's not working on water

stuck oyster
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I dont think you can do such

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only the car and tank types have amphibious possibility

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you could attach the helo to a boat type thing

round bloom
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I've seen it done before to a heli, and looking at the source of it (with all relevant permissions), it only seems to have Geo Buoyancy, the named selection & a canFloat = 1; in the config

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Is there anything else standard on boats that I've missed?

round bloom
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Figured it out, autocentre is the issue

crimson sinew
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And hmm

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I haven't had trouble with the textures in Blender. True they're a little stretched in places because, like you said, they aren't contorting with the UV map, but the values themselves work

white jay
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I am looking at making custom armor for my unit any good guids

marsh canyon
pastel oyster
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Any suggestions on what could be wrong?

orchid spruce
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can you show what it looks like in-game?

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did you do all the alpha sorting stuff in OB?

pastel oyster
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Yes, did it as explained in the link

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I'm not home so can't show it rn. The sight picture is completely black, and the reticle itself is visible as it has a white outline

rough idol
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if it's black then binarize most likely cannot find it during the packing process

polar fiber
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^^ Either the texture file or the .rvmat contains paths to .paa files that binarize cannot find on your P:\ drive

pastel oyster
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When I tried using the G36 reflex from NIA, it didn't work either, and that sight is using vanilla paa & rvmat which is in the P drive, I checked

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Is the binarization you're referring to the binarization of the p3d, or the pbo after I bin'd the model?

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Because I'm only binarizing the model, not the final pbo, if that makes a difference

polar fiber
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Why? The model should be binarised at the same time as the .pbo

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If you don't want specific parts of the .pbo content to be binarised, add them to the list of files to copy directly or what ever options there are for the packer you're using

pastel oyster
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Just the way I'm used to it, but is that the reason the sight isn't working?

polar fiber
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No idea. But I don't try and do weird stuff like that for the very reason it makes it harder to track down problems

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Only reason I can think why you are doing that, is that the pbo contains other .p3d files that you don't have the MLOD for

pastel oyster
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nope, only one P3D which is my launcher

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I do it to not binorize the config, and it was the only way I knew to do it

white jay
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From what I understand hit points are just a grid of vertices right? Do they have to be a certain distance from each other?

stuck oyster
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hitpoint size is defined in the hitpoint config

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so yes the distance matters and is different for each hitpoint with unique size

white jay
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Alright

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I'm making glass windows for a house

stuck oyster
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you can also use fire geometry components for hit detection by using the armorComponent variable

white jay
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Okay

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As far as the model I have a bunch of this cubes named Glass_1_hide etc... and Glass_1_unhide for the broken ones

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How do I hide the broken glass model for the intact building?

polar fiber
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hidevalue = 0

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Then unhidevalue at what ever value you're using to hide the unbroken one

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There's a house sample on steam with that setup https://store.steampowered.com/app/390500/Arma_3_Samples/

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Arma 3 Samples

Formerly part of Arma 3 Tools, this application contains all necessary samples to get started with Arma 3 content creation. The collection covers a broad spectrum of topics, from scenario design to mod making. Along with every sample comes commented code and relevant documentation to allow you to understand how they work.Note: These samples are ...

white jay
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the sample house I was looking at had hitpoints

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oh hide value

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where do I find the configs for the samples? I only see the p3ds?

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nvm

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so in something like this I'd replace hitpoint = with armorComponent = right?
class Glass_2_source: Glass_1_source
{
hitpoint = Glass_2_hitpoint;
};

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In the example config I don't see mention of glass in hitpoints

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I only see glass mentioned in AnimationSources

polar fiber
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config_macros_glass.hpp

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Uses a macro for brevity since there are a lot of similarly named windows

white jay
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okay

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so where do I use armorComponent?

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I'm guessing I name the selections in fire geometry

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Do I leave the ##glassID## in Glass_##glassID##_hitpoint?

polar fiber
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Name the selection in fire geometry the same as the glass bone you want to hide when it's destroyed and use that name as armorcomponent

white jay
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I think it has something to do with the config_macros_glass.hpp file

white jay
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is that an animation related thing?

stuck oyster
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model.cfg

white jay
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thanks

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just solved it a second ago lol

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that was my last hurdle for buildings, took me almost a year to figure it all out

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pathfinding, doors, windows and destruction were my major ones

leaden sun
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congradulations on the journey milestone

pastel oyster
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Could it be anything else other than what reyhard said, since I think it's binarized correctly

stuck oyster
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could be broken rvmat if it has any

pastel oyster
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I'm using a vanilla Rvmat, but I'll try making my own then

white jay
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do I need Land_xxx and a house class for windows to work?

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I'm basically making a small beer bottle that if possible i'd like to have physics. I'm trying to make it where you shoot it and you get a small glass shatter and it hides the original model and replaces it with a damaged model

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can you make things hide and unhide like windows with a Items_base_F class?

stuck oyster
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item base, no

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you would have to make it a thingX object

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Land_ prefix is only for terrain placed objects

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and terrain placed objects must not have physics

white jay
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so a thingX could work with hiding and unhiding based on hitpoints?

stuck oyster
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should

white jay
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alright, gonna try it

wraith fjord
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i don't know if this is the right channel, but i want to get into retexturing items, specifically retexturing an armband from a mod

white jay
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idk much about uniforms but I'd say play around with hiddenSelections stuff

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do some digging on that topic

bronze tapir
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How hard is it to make a helmet with decent protection?

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And add a logo to it?

crude plaza
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hello 👋 I have a problem with a vehicle made by me and this is the first time that it does this to me, I have like a circular artifact that appears randomly around my truck that only happens with this vehicle and when I drive it ... does anyone have a clue to find a solution. thanks in advance

white jay
white jay
charred bolt
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@crude plaza A screenshot or two might help us to help you.

white jay
stuck oyster
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likely in the effect class

crude plaza
white jay
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ended up figuring it out, I increased the interval time in CfgCloudlets

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now to add a beer splash

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I think I mainly need this for a 2d plane to face the camera
particleType = "Billboard";

crude plaza
charred bolt
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That video is set to private.

crude plaza
charred bolt
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Why at night? Does it only show with the headlights on?

crude plaza
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really strange ...

charred bolt
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The issue is the occasional dark flicker in the background of the map?

crude plaza
stuck oyster
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does it happen on vanilla maps or only on this map?

charred bolt
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Check if it happens on the Virtual Reality map.

crude plaza
crude plaza
charred bolt
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Now try on Stratis or Altis.

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It looks to me like a LOD problem with your test map.

crude plaza
# charred bolt Now try on Stratis or Altis.

so effectively no problem on the other base maps, so it comes from the map of our server ... but strangely this only occurs with this vehicle in any case thank you for having referred me I had not even thought to look with the other map thinking that it came from my vehicle

stuck oyster
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there could be some broken objects used on the map

polar fiber
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Grass clutter maybe

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Maybe the black is where the alpha channel is failing to show in one of the LODs

crude plaza
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then indeed the problem only appears on the grass ... the thing is that the problem only appears on this vehicle. the only thing different about this one and the others is a cheat so that the scale does not disappear when you step on it by placing distant points to force the view

bright flax
polar fiber
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Needs to be a slight slope between the ladder memory points

bright flax
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Thank you

bronze tapir
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What’s the best way to start modelling?

stuck oyster
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Choose a program, watch/go through generic "how to use this program" tutorials until you understand how modeling works

bronze tapir
stuck oyster
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well Blender is good and free

bronze tapir
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Easy to use?

stuck oyster
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not any easier than any other

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you wont find easy and fast way to do modeling

bronze tapir
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Gotcha

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I imagined modelling takes a ton of time

stuck oyster
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learning takes most

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cant really skip that

bronze tapir
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Cause the idea is for my unit we want our logo applied on our helmets but to keep with GCL I would need to make completely new helmets plus texture them so I’m trying to learn modelling first cause I know that can take a while

stuck oyster
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no better time to start than now

fervent cosmos
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Is there any beginners guides to importing models into arma anyone can recommend?
Setting correct orientations and setting up textures to work in a p3d?

A friend of mine wants to do it and I have no idea, he keeps chewing my ear off rather than asking here for help.

stuck oyster
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did he make the models?

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or better yet. He should be the one asking.

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😛

fervent cosmos
round hill
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yeah probably should of asked

stuck oyster
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👍

round hill
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i have a working config for a new launcher and i downloaded a model an don't know how to get it in to game

stuck oyster
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well downloading a model is not really a good shortcut as you need to understand 3D modeling to work different programs to create the rest of the parts a model needs

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or convert it into Arma compatible formats and such

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you cant really skip learning that stuff by downloading

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simplest thing is to start by something simpler than a complex weapon or vehicle and put that into the game

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and then work up from that to understand how Arma textures and materials and such work

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also a downloaded model might not even be game ready at all

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which could in worst case mean more work fixing it than its to make one from scratch

round hill
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ok but i could not find any good tutorials explaining what to do

stuck oyster
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do you know how to use any 3D modeling program?

round hill
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not really

stuck oyster
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then you could start by learning how Blender works

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when you got basic grasp on that you could find Blender and Arma related tutorials and work from there

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however there is no fast track way to do this

quick terrace
white jay
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any idea how to make an object more reactive to being shot? ie; when you shoot something it bounces, flys, rolls, less friction etc..

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I've noticed no matter how low I set the mass of an object in object builder it just sits there, it'll tip over if I throw a grenade at it or hit it with a car but that's the best I can get

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also this is a ThingX object

white jay
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also can you change the center of mass of an object?

runic plover
runic plover
white jay
fervent steppe
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Question. So our jbad_structures pbo has now exceeded the 2 gig limit. I have to separate all the individual folders into their own pbos. They work fine since the pboprefix is jbad_structures/pboname

However when loading jbad terrain it still asks for jbad_structures pbo. So I created a dummy pbo with that name and the cfgpatches only. Any downside to that?

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Or is there a better way

stuck oyster
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you could keep some stuff in jbad_stuctures then name the next one jbad_structures_01 and so on

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no issue with empty pbo either

neat pike
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Hello, I'm new to modding and am trying to get a tank working in Arma 3. I have found many tutorials about different parts but I am still lost. I am a modeler and have created/textured the tank but unsure exactly how to go about with Oxygen/armaconfigs and how they interact. So far I have imported the model into objbuilder with a test tank I found and renamed the named selections to make it work technically, but I know there is a lot that I am missing. Espeically since a lot is in Czech.

stuck oyster
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there is probably no exact tutorial on what you are doing but you could try El tyranos Blender to Arma tutorial series for tips

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also Config and model.cfg are explained in the BI wiki quite well

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and the sample tank you have already found can be used as reference with the wiki

fervent steppe
stuck oyster
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👌

hot hornet
white jay
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Didnt even see that chat, thankyoy, and my bad

bold flare
fervent steppe
crimson sinew
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I still haven't managed to make rvmats work for me @.@ They're just an unsolvable enigma holy shit

leaden sun
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do they work in buldozer?

round bloom
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Yeah they do

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If you're using visualex for shadows though they're not always 100% to how they will look in game with proper lighting on them

stuck oyster
prime warren
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Bones for facial features? Like Head Bones? since we have list of them from model.cfg is there way to get them in a template from somewhere?

stuck oyster
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and there is the sample head, bust.p3d in the templateRTM folder in the samples

prime warren
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Other one is just so i can figure some stuff out for heads and animations

stuck oyster
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if its not human head its likely not going to work with the vanilla face animations anyway

prime warren
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Think Human with spikes

stuck oyster
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well you could use the sample head as base and modify that

prime warren
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Nothing really complex, in practice i just need the front facing bones?

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Was the community made one lost?

stuck oyster
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its probably somewhere if you look hard enough

prime warren
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Hmmm

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Any clue how it was named by any chance?

stuck oyster
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not really

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but if you want to be smart with it, use the sample head

prime warren
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Thanks for advice

stuck oyster
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thing is, the facial animations do you no good if your mouth and eyes and such are not in same place

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as the animations do no adapt

prime warren
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Hmm

stuck oyster
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which is why I say, use the sample head

prime warren
stuck oyster
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yeah I get what you mean

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but if your custom head model is not made to match the vanilla head rigging it to it wont work anyway

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you would need to set up new facial animations

prime warren
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it just has, litteraly spikes on the back of the head

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Looked at it over the Template

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and looked fine

stuck oyster
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you can try to transfer the weights from the template then

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and test it in game and adjust

vast nimbus
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so I'm just trying to learn modelling as I've recently been made to give up working. I'm currently hoping to get to a level where I can create a vehicle for my unit currently I've got a basic bit of design mostly self taught and done through trial error and experimentation but I was wondering is there any decent guides

inland pawn
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Best bet would probably make the donut guide

stuck oyster
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what you might find beneficial is to just watch/read generic "how model" tutorials

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as if you go look for very specific tutorials you might not find any or they might expect you to know quite a lot to begin with

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learning modeling comes pretty much only from doing it though

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tutorials might sometimes point to right direction

white jay
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Blender donut tutorials

leaden sun
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Another beneficial set of videos to look up are "techniques" and "styles of midelling".

Sometimes different styles work for other people, and the methods you use to model some things is may differ from others, such as shrink wrapping for a rounded shape, or booleaning out mechanical shapes.

Dont focus so much on creating the thing as much as soaking up the info on how to create it.

polar fiber
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Watching people modelling on twitch is useful in that regard. You’ll hear the sort of thought process they go through when it comes to trying to make particular shapes and the way they remedy it when the result isn’t quite right

amber charm
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Hey everyone - wanted to know if anyone knew offhand of addons/mods that added better parachute models - never have been a fan of the default models - always wished there was one with a reserve chute on the front (like GM's parachutes, but a little more modern). I know C.O.S has its own custom parachute model which is great, but not in NATO camo or a camo neutral color - just wondering if there are any other addons anyone can think of?

stuck oyster
amber charm
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Yeah, I saw that under troubleshooting - and it didn't seem like a technical issue which is why I didn't post it there.

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I'll move it there though.

stuck oyster
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the questions channel just is frequented more by general populace of the server

amber charm
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Fair enough. Thank you!

stuck oyster
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happy hunting

broken abyss
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Does anyone know how to get my cargo shadow volume to show inside the cargo of a tank class vic instead of showing the outer shadow volume?

hardy oar
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Can you set up a model.cfg to hide a part when NVGs are donned?

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Eg; have an NVG shroud on the helmet which is hidden when NVGs are put on

stuck oyster
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no

white jay
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is there a way to name selections in blender?

polar fiber
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Vertex groups

crimson sinew
stuck oyster
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right I thought you might have done some changes

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like I said earlier your SMDI is bonkers and wont work

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could also be your normalmap is not right aand well your color texture is not quite right either

crimson sinew
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Then why do they work alright in blender and in unity?

stuck oyster
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honestly it looks a bit weird

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and well each of the programs have different rendering and lighting so things look different in them

orchid spruce
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wait what do you mean it works in unity?

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unity doesn't use smdi maps

leaden sun
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blender and unity use metallic rough workflow, not spec gloss and certainly not smdi which is a variation of spec/gloss

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spec = amount of light reflected (stronger reflection)
gloss = how clear the reflection is

metallic = is surface dialetric (metal) or not
roughness = how much does light scatter on surface.

If you're trying to use metallic/rough in a spec/gloss workflow then you're doing the equivilent of trying to shove an octagon into a hexagon hole.

In this video the gloss and roughness are referred to as "microsurface" and it is important to know that arma uses specular as a greyscale, not a color value in texture (the specular color is set by the rvmat)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mrNMpqdNchY

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but there is more to it than that, the values your rvmat use also play a role, specular, specular power, and fresnel (the final stage)

leaden sun
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your smdi basically shows that some parts would reflect light and other parts none at all, your gloss looks good, however we need to see the rvmat values because they may be squashing the values of the texture

white jay
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any idea how to make billboard particles in particle effects?

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I know there's a line in cfg cloudlets
particleType = "Billboard";

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but other than that do I make a model? is it a 2D plane? which axis does it face?

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I think this also has something to do with it, but then how do I texture it?
particleShape = "\A3\data_f\ParticleEffects\Universal\Universal";

stuck oyster
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have you read the wiki about particles?

white jay
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yeah but I can't find anything about creating 2D billboards

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I see a bunch of particle p3ds that look like they'd be 2d meshes but no way to open them in
P:\a3\data_f\ParticleEffects\Universal

stuck oyster
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you dont make your own billboard

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you use that universal one

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and assign a texture to it in the particle effect config

hardy oar
# leaden sun spec = amount of light reflected (stronger reflection) gloss = how clear the ref...

IMHO the best results come from PBR met/rough converted appropriately to an SMDI. I've been less than impressed by any results coming straight out of spec/gloss eg; using a substance export template. I get the best results out of making something look just how you want in PBR, then exporting and converting. I just find PBR provides the best simulation and results, providing you the strongest base to then bring into arma. The metalness map is also very valuable to me for the sake of making masks to improve the diffuse texture.

End of the day you do you and I don't see any workflow as "wrong", but I personally see PBR as a very strong tool and disagree with the square peg, round hole analogy, since it actually provides some very high quality results.

@crimson sinew You need to have more lighting detail on your diffuse for the sake of arma, add your AO on top and set it to multiply, you can also add a cavity map but seeing as you don't have any normals that won't mean much. I also usually use my metalness to make a mask to darken appropriate areas but for your sake adding a black fill layer with an opacity of maybe 40% would do the job. You also need a proper normal map bake. My best advice would be to look at some examples in open source projects and see what they've done. Eg; NIArms is completely open source on github. Pull down Toadie's SMDIs and rvmats for assets you like the look of, see what they look like (Eg; what colour they are, how much contrast is in them, what do they look like) and you can use that to gauge how your results are.

nova bloom
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Hey guys found a really strange thing happen to my model when i take it from blender into object builder all of the Vertex groups that i have assigned seem to just vanish and all go away i have no clue why could anyone help

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They show up all fine in blender but when in object builder they just throw themselves into the void

leaden sun
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did you assign weight to them?

nova bloom
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Nope

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The geo has weight

stuck oyster
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if vertex group has no weight on any mesh

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its 0

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and is ignored

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no point writing empty groups

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groups have to be assigned (for normal selections 100% weight) on mesh so that they are valid

nova bloom
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So all of the groups are assigned

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They are all looking fine

stuck oyster
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errors in export?

nova bloom
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Nothing

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Export all fine

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but there seems to be a problem in that export

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Where it just dies

crude grail
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Can I use View pilot lod as a proxi in helicopter ? in the view pilot .pd3 I would only have the viewpilot lod ?
I'm doing a rework of the hatchet h-60 pack model. I think I'm wanting to put each variant into its own pd3 and share what is similar between all variants

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right now all variants share the same model which is getting pretty busy

charred bolt
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You can't animate anything inside a proxy Mike, that's what usually goes against the idea.

stuck oyster
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it does not really save much anything

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perfromance wise

crude grail
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So would it be better to just make a .p3d per version. I was concerned about size or I can keep all the variants in one .p3d

stuck oyster
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Id say for your own mental health sake, go simple and make the variants separate p3ds

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having a lot of proxies around can cause issues

polar fiber
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Might run into bone limits more easily having several different cockpits in one p3d

crude grail
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yeah, I agree the complexity of the proxies is whats is giving me a headache. The cockpits are all the same between variants, what changes is the cargo area layout, ie seats or sitting on the floor, weapons and some external features

stuck oyster
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I would say you might be looking at saving few MBs tops

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its not really worth it

crude grail
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really, we are at 332mb for one

stuck oyster
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well thats mosly because you've crammed in way more detail than normal 😛

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at that point what does few mb here or there matter

polar fiber
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There's probably optimisations you can do in there. Reducing sections, unneeded selections, UV sets, named properties

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There's a lot of additional crap that piles up in p3ds the more they get worked on

crude grail
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yes, well as I know you already know the view pilot cockpit is extremely detailed, unfortunately the resolution lod cockpit is a mirror of the view pilot so i know I can clean that up.

As far as the textures I assume that I'm going to have to redo them, as far as material should I plan on section and size or actual material like the skin of the helicopter

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And what are your suggestions for blender setup for maintainability ? should I link the the frame and parts that are the same so we can update the model in one place ?

leaden sun
# hardy oar IMHO the best results come from PBR met/rough converted appropriately to an SMDI...

I agree with you that with modification (especially with edge damage) and an understanding of the way the two systems differ that using metallic rough can be beneficial if the user is aware of how to make use of their differences.

the peg analogy is in reference to using one workflow for another without any modification, with the assumption that what is seen in the PBR program is what will also be seen in Arma.

leaden sun
nova bloom
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fixed it

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Was weight issue

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HorribleGoat Helped me

marsh fox
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How do you handle sub materials? In my port for example.

camo - is the base helmet
damper - is the helmet cover.
I think the rvmat is confused as the helmet lighting getts all shinny but the cover looks correct.
Both camo and damper point to different rvmats currently and work independantly as a standalone model but both merged into the same model together act odd.

stuck oyster
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@marsh fox pictures

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and whatss sub materials?

marsh fox
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Are pictures only sent via a link in this channel? And sorry im using terms from another engine. Idk the term for it in arma.

I mean material definitions for different parts of the model.
A cloth fabric cover would look for one rvmat.
The metal helmet looks for another if that makes sense..

aslo scratch that, idk what I did but it fixed itself. I think its because I compiled with a broken shadow lod.

stuck oyster
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links only for regular users yes

broken abyss
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Does anyone know how to get my cargo shadow volume to show inside the cargo of a tank class vic instead of showing the outer shadow volume?

stuck oyster
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How are they different?

white jay
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I've been playing around with the path lod and I have a house that's raised about half a meter off the ground, the ai wont enter it unless I sink the house down until the inside floor is almost at ground level

stuck oyster
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do you have enough path IN points?

white jay
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I have 14 per door, had 7 per door in a previous version, neither worked

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one sec lemme get the screenshots

stuck oyster
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that is quite a lot

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do they all extend under 0 height?

white jay
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yes

stuck oyster
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not all judging from the side pic

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meann all the points

white jay
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0 height is the grid?

stuck oyster
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yes

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are all verticles merged?

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are all faces facing up?

white jay
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only the in fans all go down

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yep, normals facing up, all vert connected

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ai path find normally if I sink the house down -.4m or place them in it

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they go through all the rooms, open doors etc...

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but when placed at it's normal height on terrain surface they ignore it

stuck oyster
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do you have roadway and geometry under the paths?

white jay
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yes

stuck oyster
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all the way?

white jay
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roadway is like 2 inches above geometry

stuck oyster
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alr. that looks to be ok

white jay
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it's strange, do you think the fan shapes are okay?

stuck oyster
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yeah.

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you dont need quite that many I think

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make sure you are actually packing the changes in

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and not editing some wrong folder/file

white jay
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just checked the file, looks good, I emptied the temp folder

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I tried it before with half as many with the same result

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maybe adding an edge loop or playing around with the verticies might do something

stuck oyster
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could try copypasting the sample house entry parts

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how did you set up the in points?

white jay
# stuck oyster

top verticies from top right to bottom left in pic are named in1 in2 in3 etc...

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they're a 5 point fan which connects to a series of triangles going up the stairs

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path is floating 10cm above roadway

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house exends about 2 meters or exactly 6 feet below 0 height

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if I place an ai on the stair steps he starts working perfectly but if touching the terrain they ignore the building

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mesh is triangulated

woeful viper
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i think it might be the shape of the fan - i have the same case for one of my buildings. Sometimes AI dont find the access, sometimes they do - depending on how far sunken into the ground it is.

white jay
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anything you do specifically with your fan?

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I think my fan segments are rotated 30deg around the connecting point, the top vert is about 0.2m above the rest of the fan

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I don't remember the scaling

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I pretty much eyeballed it and duplicated the test house fan

stuck oyster
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I meant where did you make the selections?

white jay
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I only applied that name to the one top vertex as I saw from the test house

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selections are circled in red, each one is named from right to left in the image in1 in2 in3 etc...

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the in selection should just be one vertex right?

stuck oyster
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yes

stuck oyster
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Question is did you make the new model?

stuck oyster
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I suppose you did not.

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(he vanished)

white jay
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I'm back, I played around with the model a bit

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It turns out the in fans were too small

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The test house one's were twice as big

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They work perfectly when they're almost a meter wide

white jay
stuck oyster
# white jay Yes

was not for you. the other guy deleted his messages for some reason

white jay
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Oh

bright flax
white jay
bright flax
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yes

white jay
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they're probably too close together or clipping inside each other

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you want to have 2d decals floating slightly above the base mesh

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i'd say like 0.01m or something just so it doesn't occupy the same space

bright flax
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OK thank you

polar fiber
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Is it in the same model as the building? Select the mesh parts with that grunge texture, press E key to bring up face properties, set Z-bias to high

white jay
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all I could understand from that link was creating a memory point with a named selection

stuck oyster
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you would attach the sound to the animation source then

orchid spruce
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I'm trying to make geometry on my vehicle that could just use a transparent texture with like a logo or whatever, I've set its default texture to the vanilla clear_empty texture and empty_nzw rvmat, but in-game the textures don't really seem to render, I can only see them if I look at them so it's only the background visible behind it, they're invisible when the actual vehicle would be seen through it

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also when it's just using the clear_empty texture it instead just appears as black

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what's the right way to set up geometry like that?

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oh it looks like I just needed to set one of my icon _ca textures as the default one

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now it works

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if I set it to clear_empty via hiddenSelections it's properly invisible too

stuck oyster
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what the hell is clear_empty?

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and empty_nzw

charred bolt
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\a3\data_f\clear_empty.paa is used in hiddenSelectionTextures[] arrays when you don't have a texture to display in that position

stuck oyster
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ah but the model did not have it

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right

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no alpha texture in model = no transparencey in game

charred bolt
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yep

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empty_nzw I think is a dummy rvmat or something for a similar purpose

limpid obsidian
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how do I my p3D files so they can't be opened?

bold flare
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binarize your mod, pack it with Mikeros pboProject or Arma 3 Tools Addon Builder

pulsar grove
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Hi. I am importing model from Blender to Object Builder as fbx, however sharp edges are not importing. They are marked as sharp in blender. I know I can add shard edges in OB, but it adds a lot of work. I've tried .obj but it also didn't work.

fiery gorge
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Does anyone happen to have images showing the exact positions/areas of a soldiers hitpoints?

stuck oyster
stuck oyster
pulsar grove
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@stuck oysterI've tried this plugin, but p3d always came up corrupted. I've tried latest release and master branch. Is it still supported?

leaden sun
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Check that your fbx shading export settings are set to edge only

stuck oyster
fiery gorge
marsh canyon
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Arma 3 Samples

fiery gorge
pulsar grove
stuck oyster
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Does not work how?

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Details

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Since I used it daily it's something you are doing wrong

pulsar grove
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@leaden sunThanks, sharp edges are now exporting with fbx.

light mica
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I know absolutely nothing about programming or modelling
I want to make a 3D model
Anybody have any pointers?

pulsar grove
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@light micahttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=At9qW8ivJ4Q

light mica
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Awesome
I am in a few 40k units and am looking to make a bear in flak armor, a "Space Wojtek" if you will

stuck oyster
stuck oyster
pulsar grove
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@stuck oysterCould you explain how to do it?

stuck oyster
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At the moment, no, I have stuff to do. You should be able to find the information on the Arma toolbox release thread on BI forums or by searching this channels history.

leaden sun
# light mica I know absolutely nothing about programming or modelling I want to make a 3D mod...

Grab blender, watch some guru videos, get accustomed to the shortcuts, learn the interface, build some basic shapes, watch more tutorials if you like but focus more on the process than the end result.

Like any other medium experience and knowledge go hand in hand, understand that it will take time, and don't only create something from a tutorial, get your hands dirty and make random things on your own

leaden sun
leaden sun
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oh yes and save often

obtuse rain
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For a custom building, is there anything config or model-wise that controls how much damage it can take before switching with the destruction model? Is it related to the total mass?

woeful viper
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not size related (afaik). Armor value and armorStructural affect it. For map editor placed buildings, i think you need to define it as named property in P3D (not sure, didnt do that so far)

stuck oyster
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👆

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if I recall right there also might be config parameter for at what damage value (0-1) it swaps to damaged version and at full damage (1) it gets destroyed and depending on destructionEffect config it can swap to ruins model or do other stuff

white jay
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can anyone tell me why some textures load in buldozer, but not others?

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I should clarify, all textures are present in my P drive, but only one of them loads

stuck oyster
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does the texture replace dialog show them as red or black?

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as that is good way to see if the file/path is actually correct

white jay
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black

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I know they're there

stuck oyster
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(people often say that but are wrong)

white jay
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ok let me prove it

stuck oyster
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are they correct resolution?

white jay
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yes, they're prepared textures from CWR3, they already work in game on other vests, I've just never been able to get them in buldozer

stuck oyster
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does the vest have uvmapping?

white jay
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yea, that is one possible issue, both textures are on the same UV square

stuck oyster
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that is how it works in arma

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if you select the vest and hit E does it show that the texture is actually assigned to it?

white jay
stuck oyster
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does the .paa file open up in texview?

white jay
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yea it's fine, altho it is 4K, maybe too big?

stuck oyster
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should not be a problem

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if you assign any other texture on it does that work?

white jay
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hmm, yea if I copy the 2nd texture path to it it works

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that said it's the wrong texture for that component

stuck oyster
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ok so if assign the other texture on it again what then?

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or if you assign the other texture on the shirt?

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or on a fresh cube

white jay
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oh yea that messes it up

white jay
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A friend enlightened me to using o2's show textures with tga files, that'll be good enough for now. I'll revisit this issue later i suppose

stuck oyster
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sounds like some sort of read problem

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you could try saving a 2k version of the texture too I suppose

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but from the looks of it, the issue is in the .paa file

white jay
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Yea I'll look into converting it back and forth, maybe that'll help

fervent hornet
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What has to be done to the model or config to get Object: Special States - Door States to function as in this image? https://imgur.com/a/gBfADZS I'm assuming that it's in the model.cfg

stuck oyster
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i believe its config.cpp side thing something about using the BI door system

fervent hornet
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I looked at the configs of several BI objects and didn't see anything obvious.

white jay
leaden sun
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what shader is being used for the building?

dire snow
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hello I have a script which allows to furnish the house but when I put a piece of furniture in a certain place of the house it tells me that I am not in the house while I would know where it could come from please?

stuck oyster
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What house? Script used in where. Is this even model making related? @dire snow

dire snow
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its works perfectly in the house of arma but in my modded houses to me there are certain places that I can not put furniture

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I noticed that its not working when I am far from the doors

stuck oyster
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No idea what you are talking about so can't really help. You would need to figure out what the script does.

odd moon
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idk where to ask but I'm looking for the name of that type of helmet

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like it has face cover like the Apex helmet but it's not exactly fully covered

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found it

stuck oyster
odd moon
silver zenith
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is there a way to convert a pose in the arma rig into a simple mesh?

stuck oyster
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apply the armature modifier

silver zenith
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oh thats it?

stuck oyster
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yes, it applies the mesh tranformation and removes the modifier

silver zenith
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huh thats nice
thanks

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makes sense

next ferry
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What would a man have to do to get an custome auxiliary mod ??

stuck oyster
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the question needs quite a bit more details

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what does auxiliary mod mean to you for starters?

junior saddle
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I'm footprinting a whole project naming convention with whatever I name this first model file, so I need to know if there are any limitations to be wary of in regard to naming conventions. Specifically, are hyphens okay in the file names of all files and calls?
E.g.:
PHS-FYF_jet_fighter_01.p3d
PHS-FYF_jet_fighter_01_ext_co_paa
etc.

PHS will be the OFPEC, due to the development team, but FYF are the group placing the order/financing.

IIRC, Mikero has stated not to use ALLCAPS.EXT, but I can't remember other related warnings, or if hyphens were okay.

stuck oyster
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I think - might break it

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only _ is recommended

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cant make p3ds for money though @junior saddle

junior saddle
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the p3d is free

stuck oyster
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I mean.. its not since you are paid..

junior saddle
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I was paid to make the model and it will all be available for free download

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what I'm NOT getting paid for is converting the model into a p3d and all the textures into paa's. I'm also not getting paid to do any config editing.

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I used 3DS Max to make the model from scratch, and I have an Indie license for that.

stuck oyster
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well I mean would you be paid if you did not do the game implementing

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or would you do the model if you were not paid

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anyway, maybe im wrong.

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up to you to do stuff

junior saddle
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As a member of PHS, I am doing the game implementing for free, but I created the model as Rooster3D, a separate entity.

stuck oyster
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sounds like a loophole.

junior saddle
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fyf_jet_fighter_01.p3d

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fyf_jet_fighter_01_base

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fyf_jet_fighter_01_GMG

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fyf_jet_fighter_01_unarmed

tame wyvern
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Hey I have a vest that I made and when its in arma it does not move with my character can any one help me with that?

stuck oyster
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you need to set up weighting and model.cfg for it

tame wyvern
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Ok thanks for the help.

white jay
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Some parts don't have rvmats and are just plain CO textures

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Like those inside walls

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I've noticed that lightning bug in alot of building mods but don't see it on vanilla lighting

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It's like it's lightning each face separately, the light follows the topology flow of the model which is mostly basic quads with some edge loops and extrusions

stuck oyster
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you should not have surfaces without rvmats

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I recall thats related to it

leaden sun
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Yes, the rvmat establishes the per pixel shader as opposed to per vertex

stuck oyster
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and for buildings Multimaterials are recommended

inland pawn
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How many legs can a unit have?

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Like, what’s the limit on the amount of legs that can move

stuck oyster
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code wise 2

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model wise as many as you want

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the legs dont move it

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the motion vector value in the RTM does

inland pawn
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RTM file moves the unit?

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Interesting

stuck oyster
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yes

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there is no physical walking

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it looks like that if the animation is made right

woeful viper
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moonwalking mod pls

stuck oyster
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That's not a moon

tulip widget
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Hey, so I am trying to fix the scope on a weapon, and I am not sure how to do so

stuck oyster
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Explain the problem

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Was it the same you mentioned on the other channel? If yes, pick 1 channel to continue

tulip widget
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Does a model have to be a specific way in order to be usable in Arma?

stuck oyster
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well yes sort of

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theres certain types of textures it needs

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certain conventions to make parts move

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etc etc

tulip widget
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Right, would a model made in blender work?

stuck oyster
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Yes sure. If its just made right

tulip widget
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What specifically needs to be done correctly?

stuck oyster
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Everything.

median bough
tame wyvern
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Could anyone help me with setting up weighting for a vest I've try ed everything and can't get it would appreciate if any one could help?

split cedar
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Does anyone happen to know where and which models from Take On Helicopters are avaiable for usage? I wanted to port 2 models from that game to Dayz but i can't find a link to samples and super confused if they even exist or not.

stuck oyster
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you would have to check the licensed datapacks and what they allow

split cedar
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So i was thinking they either got a license directly from BI to use them or they were erased from existence.

silver zenith
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is there any documentation for making custom skeletons for arma?
or is it the same as other games?

stuck oyster
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if yes, then answer is no, there are no tutorials for such

silver zenith
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yeah custom characters and such

stuck oyster
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and yes it is pretty much same as in any other game. create character, create animations, implement in game

silver zenith
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I see, thanks

stuck oyster
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the implementation into the game is the difficult part in the equation

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as for that you need to have good grasp of how to read and change configs to work for your new things

silver zenith
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yup that wast he part I was curious about
but it seems that mondkab left a useful legacy with the operation blockhead mod
might help

stuck oyster
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true

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it has good pointers

crimson sinew
# hardy oar IMHO the best results come from PBR met/rough converted appropriately to an SMDI...

I'm really sorry for the delayed responses, my day job is a right pain lol.
I just opened the NIArms Github. This seems like an amazing resource!
I've been playing more with everything, but still don't really have much to show for it.
And well, even though I haven't found a solution to my funky shadows and weird smoothing groups and what not, I did spend some time baking some textures. Let me upload to imgur real quick.

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@stuck oyster perhaps you could glean something from this imgur link as well?

stuck oyster
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no need to ping me individually pls. I pretty much read every message here

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and Im not sure what I supposed to look for

crimson sinew
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Ah, I'm sorry

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And if I knew what to look for then my troubles would be at an end 😂

stuck oyster
crimson sinew
stuck oyster
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what shader does it have?

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and yes they are lighting

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im not quite sure what you are missing

cedar garden
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I'm working on a model that includes a chainlink fence. But there are too many components for it to be in Arma (from what I understand, 99 is the limit?). Could anyone tell me what exactly OB counts as a component? Any insight would be greatly appreciated!

stuck oyster
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fence like that would be made out of maybe 4 parts

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2 tubes

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and 2 textured planes

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Im not sure what you mean by components in this occasion

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usually components refer to geometry lod parts that are needed for collision, hit and visiblity calculations

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nothing is limited to 99 though

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but there may be some recommendations on how complex certain sized objects should be

crimson sinew
crimson sinew
stuck oyster
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Have you tested in other maps than VR? Vr lighting is pretty bleak

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Also different times of day so you can see different light angles

winter stag
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Hello, I'm extremely new to modding and I'm having issues making my stuff appear in the arsenal

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I've made my textures and I'm using a base game rvmat file

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However a backpack I have shows up in the arsenal, but is invisible and has no stats when equipped

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If I could get some support it would be great

stuck oyster
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sounds like pathing error

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how are you packing the pbo?

winter stag
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pbomanager

stuck oyster
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that would be the problem

winter stag
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Could be a pathing error

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I extracted the vanilla rvmat from the vanilla pbo, and placed it on the data folder on my mod's pbo

stuck oyster
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youll need to set up the Arma tools and P drive and preferably Mikeros toolset and use pboProject to pack your addon

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if you dont change anything in the rvmat you can just use the path to the original file

winter stag
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I mean I could do that but uh, the pbo I'm using has a beret that someone else on my unit modded and works exactly as intended. However it's just the backpacks that I added into the config that aren't getting pathed correctly

stuck oyster
winter stag
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I'm also using a config template that was provided to modders during the art of war contest

stuck oyster
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Problem is withing your config and in using manager. Thats all I know

winter stag
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just double checked and the pathing seems to be right

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Don't know what else to do tbh

winter stag
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Fun fact: I fixed it I was going through a weird language error with my keyboard

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Now I'm struggling to add two items of the same type on a config

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Like for example, I did a coyote backpack and now I wanna add an OD backpack on the same file but I don't know how to call the classes

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Or well just add them into the config

white jay
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Does anyone know a good insignia maker? Need one for a server I'm working on

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Patches

cerulean token
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What's the config to add the clan selection to my model, I haven't been able to find it

marsh canyon
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What's unclear? Model side or config side?

cerulean token
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@marsh canyon Either is unclear, I can’t find any ressources on how to add it to my uniform

marsh canyon
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You just need to add a plain (or whatever, anything that has a proper UV) polygon and name the selection "clan" IIRC, that's it

stuck oyster
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Model. Cfg section list will also need to have the "clan" selection defined.

pastel oyster
#

Got a new PC and Object Builder has a really fucked up sensitivity compared to before, especially for rotating where I have to drag really hard to even turn 90 degrees. Are there any settings that can be used to change that?

polar fiber
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Use directX viewport modes

cerulean token
stuck oyster
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check out the section array in the sample characters config

vestal finch
#

Any idea where can I get character head weightings in 3ds max? Making a balaclava but weighting in O2 has not been working out well for me

inland pawn
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At least in the samples

slate ginkgo
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I've created a simple object, the config, and can add the item to my inventory but I get an error cannot load object piesgtcat.p3d. (the model I am using) . It will load into my inventory, but then says cannot open picture. I can place the object on the ground but I can not see it. I can also pick it back up and it adds back to my inventory. I just can not see the object. I can in object builder and bulldozer. Can anyone please help? This is driving my crazy! been trying to make it work for a long while now, I don't want to give up yet!

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I am using addon builder to pack my pbo

stuck oyster
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Your folder structure does not match your config paths most likely.

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Addon builder does not check such things. You really should uE mikeros tools

orchid spruce
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I can't get a "antiwater" plane working, I've done it like in the boat sample, there's a flat plane going over the area that shouldn't have water, with the antiwater_ca texture, but it just shows up as black in-game and doesn't actually block water

polar fiber
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Do you have that texture unpacked on your P:\ drive where you are refencing it from the game data?

orchid spruce
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I don't actually

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I didn't think about that

crude grail
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I'm having an issue importing my unbin'd source model into blender as a p3d and exporting as a p3d using blender tool box.
I'm building with the ace3 development environment with using make.py and pboproject.

Using the source unbin'd p3d I can back and bin with on issues
if I import as p3d to blender and export to a p3d. while building its failing.

One difference im seeing with the binlog is

 Warning: CfgAmmo missing in PreloadConfig - may slow down vehicle creation
 Warning: CfgNonAIVehicles missing in PreloadConfig - may slow down vehicle creation```
stuck oyster
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@crude grail can you try same but with simple cube P3d, just to check the workflow itself

crude grail
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I can, I was using blender 2.9x the latest one. I just switched to 2.82 it might be an weird edge case in the github issues

stuck oyster
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Perhaps. I do run stuff between the programs like you described too but have not had any issues

crude grail
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have you used the tool box with 2.9x ?

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it builds with a cube

stuck oyster
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Yeh though I may have more latest version of toolbox

crude grail
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is it the source one?

I'm building lod by lod now

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on another note for a base model does that include a p3d to inherent from ? or is it just the model.cfg

stuck oyster
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Model. Cfg does not require a P3d to work

silver zenith
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hey this is gonna sound weird but is there a way to rip models from myself?
lost the source p3ds and only have the binarized ones

marsh canyon
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Well, it is a violation of EULA, so no

silver zenith
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oh I guess the eula doesn't care about ownership? shame tho, considering its mine

toxic apex
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Problem is that a lot of people make that claim, but not everyone is being honest.

keen prawn
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@toxic apex This is exactly why I do my own research and script a program myself if I need to. Because yeah there are people stealing others models I get it, but it fucks us guys over who are actually making legit things in blender who want to de-binarized a P3d they binarized and forgot about saving a backup. Everyone these days just assumes people are cheaters, thieves, ect. and wont help out new people like me. Its kind of fucked honesty.

toxic apex
keen prawn
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@toxic apex Yeah thats what is really fucked, I cant stand people like that, and then the guys who are learning everyone things they are trying to steal stuff.

toxic apex
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And sadly the "cheaters" seem to be be more common place than legit users. - Slight rephase since im getting some abuse - "cheaters" seem to be the ones more commonly asking for a way to un binarise files.

keen prawn
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Yeah thats true honestly.

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Removed post due to it possibly causing and argument

crude grail
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It would great of there was a model viewer for binerised models, that did not have a copy ability. Configs and scripts are pretty assessable not the same with models.

stuck oyster
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what kind of insight would a model give really?

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you can already see it in game

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and see how its parts move

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other than that a model is built from very basic blocks that are same between all models

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many of the features can really be observed only in game

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but they are combination of model and the configs

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a model on its own does not really do anything

silver zenith
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hey not sure exactly where to ask but I have a door made of 3 pieces, for some reason only 2 of the 3 pieces move when I open it.

charred bolt
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Each piece given a named selection in the p3d.
Those 3 pieces created as bone pairs in model.cfg CfgSkeletons

silver zenith
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yeah so
I guess it could either be a config error or a model.cfg error or wrongly assigned named selections
but I've checked and nothing seems wrong
never did a door with 3 pieces so not sure if there is something extra I need to account for

charred bolt
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Does it work in buldozer? If yes, then your p3d and model.cfg are ok.

silver zenith
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each piece has its own axis in the model.cfg

charred bolt
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post model.cfg in pastebin link if you like

silver zenith
# 
    class Dooropen
    {
        isDiscrete=1;
        skeletonInherit = "";
        skeletonBones[]=
        {
            "DoorL", "DoorR", "DoorM", "",
        };
    };```
anything wrong with this skeleton?
or this cfgmodels?

```sqf
    class Door3
    {
        skeletonName = "Dooropen";
        sectionsInherit = ""; 
        sections[]={};    
        class Animations
        {    
            class doorL : translation
            {
                
                type="translation";
                source="door_source";
                selection="doorL";
                axis="L";
                animPeriod = 1;
                minValue="0";
                maxValue="1";
                offset0= "0";
                offset1= "1";
                memory=1;

            };
            class doorR : translation
            {
                
                type="translation";
                source="door_source";
                selection="doorR";
                axis="R";
                animPeriod = 1;
                minValue="0";
                maxValue="1";
                offset0= "0";
                offset1= "1";
                memory=1;

            };
            class doorM : translation
            {
                
                type="translation";
                source="door_source";
                selection="doorM";
                axis="M";
                animPeriod = 1;
                minValue="0";
                maxValue="1";
                offset0= "0";
                offset1= "1";
                memory=1;

            };

        };
    };```
charred bolt
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your skeleton is wrong

silver zenith
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oh wait

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I guess I remove the "",

charred bolt
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skeleton bones come in pairs

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"part_2", "",
"part_3", "part_1"```
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in that example, part 1 does not have a parent part that it follows

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neither does part 2

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but part 3 will follow the movement of part 1

silver zenith
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mhm
these all go in opposite directions so I should leave all 3 blank right?

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yup that worked

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thanks @charred bolt

main jasper
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Hey guys, Any ideas what could be causing my PBOProject to spit out a "binarize reports crash report of 1"? Could it be something to do with the models? If so what do we think?

crude grail
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Look at the binlog for your model

ebon abyss
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if you don't take backups you deserve to lose all your p3d files.

crimson sinew
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So I messed around some more to no avail, and then on a whim I sent my files to a friend

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Said friend did nothing but change the p3d's rvmat and tex links to match her mod's file locations and miraculously my models look fine there. No weird shading or normal maps missing or anything

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Upon further investigation, turns out that I'm using a path like:
@INDIE\Addons\INDIE_Cube\data\cubemat\cube.rvmat
While my friend is using:
INDIE_Cube\data\cubemat\cube.rvmat

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However, if I do the latter, pboproject throws missing file errors

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What's going on?

marsh fox
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Assign the rvmat path from your p drive in blender or object builder (manually opening folder locations, not copying pasting the path.). So when you assign it, it would look something like
p:\Indie_Cube\etc
Then manually remove the p:\ from the line. Idk why this works, I can only assume the model gets embedded with meta data or something. Works for me when I get that issue.

crimson sinew
stuck oyster
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Use that path but without P:\ in front. Also don't post same thing on multiple channels.

crimson sinew
crimson sinew
stuck oyster
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any particular reason why you have so much unnecessary folders and @ symbol in your folder structure?

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the @folder is commonly used just for the folder where pbos are

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in arma 3 folder

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Personally I think its not good practice to make that kind of folder structure on P drive

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do you also use pboPrefix files?

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in P drive folders?

crimson sinew
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I'm incredibly new to this so I have no idea what the usual folder structure is. I thought an @folder was the standard

crimson sinew
stuck oyster
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how did you come up with it?

dire snow
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good evening everyone someone would know what is wrong with my config I have made a fire station and I am trying to make sure that there is only the firefighters who can open the doors but its not working its mark me on the wheel menu open the door but it does not open

inland pawn
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Wouldn’t that be scripting? Check if unit is X then do Y?

dire snow
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no it seems to me that we can do it without the script

inland pawn
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This is for modeling

slate ginkgo
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trying to use the lamp sample just to get a mod in-game, I changed the scope, and re-pathed the files. It shows up in the list under lamps, but doesn't show up when I place it. It also doesn't have a picture, it just shows a question mark. How do I fix this? Please help

bright flax
junior saddle
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anyone know how to prevent discord from trying to stream buldozer without preventing it from streaming arma 3?

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it's just the overlay is too big and I can't see what animation I'm examining

versed cosmos
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I'm trying to get this chinstrap attached to the jawbone but its not properly working, sitting a little bit too high despite it being in the right position on the bust model.

I have portions of the chinstrap in contact with the face in a vortex group called Face_jawbone, and i believe i've properly weighted it

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Is there anything im missing?

marsh canyon
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According to bust.p3d, it is not Face_jawbone but Face_Jawbone. Should be case sensitive about this one AFAIK, so check it

versed cosmos
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Alright checking for case sensitivity then

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Nope still not working

crimson sinew
gloomy hemlock
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what kind of uniform, helmet or vest file do i need to be able to use this in arma and what to do after i have a model?

gloomy hemlock
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so am i able to use kind of any 3d file to change it to .p3d or are there some limitations and things to know before?

stuck oyster
gloomy hemlock
stuck oyster
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No such list. Its not quite that simple.

gloomy hemlock
stuck oyster
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Many. But the question is so vague I don't get what you are after.

gloomy hemlock
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and yes i know its not that of a standard arma uniform

stuck oyster
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Yeh umm nope

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If that even was a model, it does not fit the Arma man

gloomy hemlock
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i know but i like it

stuck oyster
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When I say it does not fit the Arma man I mean it won't work in game

gloomy hemlock
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oh why that?

stuck oyster
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Because it does not fit the character and its animations

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It would have to be made in the Arma man scale

gloomy hemlock
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yeah sure

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it doesnt need to be 100 percent like this

stuck oyster
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Well you can open up the sample character and start fitting your thing on it

gloomy hemlock
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yeah i suppose it would look like a shorter and kinda more realsitic version of that picture . that would be totally ok for me though

stuck oyster
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You'll know when you try

crude grail
# stuck oyster what kind of insight would a model give really?

It depends what type of adult learner you are, what works for one person doesn’t work for another. As an instructor I have to teach to the 3 main learning styles. I’m a visual and kinaesthetic learner. I need to see why things work and interact to learn.

This would probably only help beginners. But I understand the reason why this isn’t possible.

stuck oyster
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But there are samples already provided that have such basics covered. I'm wondering what is missing that would have to be seen from a binarized model

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I get there are different kinds of learners but I can't see what/how peeking at a ready model beyond what you can see live in engine achieves

crude grail
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Looking at memory point, different lods ect.

stuck oyster
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yes but looking at what in them specifically?

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since all arma models are done the same

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memorypoints in samples are same as in any other model

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What would be different in any binarized model?

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or if we look at this from another direction, what are the samples lacking that would require looking into another model?

crude grail
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I’m in the middle of a remodel and a major move. I’ll try get you a specific list

polar fiber
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Every character model has the same memory points and auxiliary LODs though. They only ever differ in the resLODs and maybe shadow LODs if you can be arsed making new SVLODs instead of the generic humanoid shape one you can copy paste from the sample

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Having a functioning character model very much depends on copy pasting the other LODs exactly how they are in the sample

stuck oyster
crimson sinew
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After mucking around, it was the path that was the issue. So putting my folder at P: instead of inside another folder did the trick!

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Now I've been trying to get transparency to work, but it doesn't seem like _CO or _CA is working? I can see the alpha channel in TexView2 fine, but in-game it's all opaque

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Also, are there emissive textures?

inland pawn
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There aren’t emissive textures no

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That’s an rv mat thing

stuck oyster
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CA also needs proper rvmat to work

crimson sinew
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This mentions adding a Stage8 to get emissive textures to work? But it doesn't work

crimson sinew
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I'm assigning the texture via hiddenSelections

stuck oyster
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if the thing does not have transparent texture in the p3d it cant use transparency

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you always need to assign correct type of texture and rvmat to the p3d

crimson sinew
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Interesting. Let me assign it in the p3d then and see how it goes

terse sail
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Guys, how do you have the same object with different textures? do you need a .p3d file for each objects texture?

polar fiber
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depends what kind of object it is

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buildings/structures and weapon attachments, yes you need separate models for each texture variant. Weapons, vehicles, wearable equipment, no - those can be set up with hiddenSelectionsTextures to change the texture on the same model

plain gulch
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yo

heady tree
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Can any of yall help me out lol, I've been trying to put a helmet and a vest in game. been trying to weigh it for forever now but no matter what I do it doesnt work.

I select the vest, redefine spine1-3, doesn't work. try redefining unnumbered spine, doesn't work.

Select the belt (including gun proxy) redefine as pelvis, doesn't work.

Select the helmet and redefine as head, doesn't work.

crimson sinew
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More specifically the alpha works

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I still have no way to do emissive maps?

stuck oyster
heady tree
stuck oyster
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Well it does not mean its correct. 😅

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Also addon builder cares very little what you feed it so getting it to pack guarantees very little

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I'd strongly recommend pboproject and mikeros toolset for packing debug information.

heady tree
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Got it, thx

tall burrow
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If I wanted to modify the .p3d of an existing model, how would I go about this? I have blender but dont have much experience with it

stuck oyster
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It is not permitted to edit P3ds unless you get the source files and permission from the author.

tall burrow
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Thank you time to make some killer supressors

heady tree
stuck oyster
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Pboproject binarizes them too...

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But also detects a lot of errors you can make

junior saddle
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I've made a complex gear up animation closely modeled after the F16 main gear. It plays nicely in buldozer, but most of it doesn't animate in game. Is there a limit to how many pieces can animate for the gear process?

junior saddle
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nm. It turns out I exceeded the max value of 1 for certain parts

quick terrace
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also might be worth checking if you have not exceeded the max number of bones (256 irc)

vital geyser
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Does view geo need named selection component1...?

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And if so, do geometric occluder need to be a component also?

stuck oyster
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yes,no

vital geyser
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Awesome, thanks

stuck oyster
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wiki is your friend

heady tree
junior saddle
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@quick terrace Good to know. It's not that high a count, but I'll keep it in mind when I start to add parts. I do tend to go overboard animating tabs, pistons, control arms, and such. I scaled the animation time down to fit within the maxValue 1, and everything is working.

cedar garden
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Anyway I can make it so bullet impacts are a lot smaller? For reference, this is 7.62 hitting what should be "paper" (but is obviously not), does this tie into mass or something? Any help would be greatly appreciated - https://i.imgur.com/HMoe5wP.png

woeful viper
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i dont think so, i think thats an inaccessable feature (harcdoded)

marsh fox
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what part of the model does addaction use for (action display) Getting weird results with addaction showing up only on one side of a model.

stuck oyster
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memorypoint that you have to look at or geometry component depending how you set it up

marsh fox
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Got it.

bright echo
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on objects its a hard coded particle effect, for terrain you can change the 'crater'

pastel oyster
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Weapon GL sight doesn't get raised when I equip GL ingame. Source is weaponMuzzle, and animation works fine in the Bulldozer. Any idea what the cause could be?
Works now, had incorrect maxvalue

bitter kite
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So im not sure if this is the right place to ask but ill just ask here so i was wondering if a 2 part vehicle would work in arma as a mod? for example a BVS10 viking?

woeful viper
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No unfortunately not. While a regular vehicle trailer might be achievable (though even that is glitchy), a BVS10 has active traction in both segments and also rigid connection through which the steering is achieved.

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That is if you want a proper driving behaviour

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If you desperately want it, no matter the cost, some sort of implementation could be achieved, but only with extra glitchyness and hacks required.

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e.g. simulate it as regular tank (1 part), but display it as 2 part vehicle. Problem is the wheels will no longer move correctly in relation to terrain (in case of collisions)

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Plus it would be really painfull to setup (not recommended for beginners)

bitter kite
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Ahhh damn that really sucks i heard VBS had support for trailers?

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I guess i just gotta hope that arma 4 has support for it by then

woeful viper
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yeah i really hope so too.
same with articulated steering for wheeled vehicles (like volvo dump trucks, Kirovets K-700 or common wheel loaders ) - i would love to have this ingame

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or even better, articulated steering in 2 axis (like the big russian cousin of the BVS10, forgot the designation)

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DT-30

bitter kite
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Yea all of that would be so cool really just gotta hope they add it lol

woeful viper
civic stratus
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bones in a memory lod aren't required for headgear are they? Looking at the headgear sample and not seeing a memorylod

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trying to figure out why my helmet's floating on my character's torso

stuck oyster
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not required

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either you dont have head selection or you dont have properly set up model.cfg with your p3d

civic stratus
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model.cfg is basically the one from the A3 Sample's Test_Character_01

stuck oyster
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do you have it set up for your p3d?

civic stratus
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but yeah, I'm missing the head named selection

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My ObjectBuilder was hiding named selections by default so it slipped by

stuck oyster
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make sure you have a class that matches your p3d name in the class cfgModels part of the morel.cfg

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you can find the example classes that match the sample p3d names at the bottom

sharp coral
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hey, recently I noticed that some uniforms from one mod are semi-transparent - they have textures, but for example I am able too see the backpack's silhouette through the "body". Is it something config-related or would I have to reach the model author? And what would be the possible cause of such weird material look?

stuck oyster
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model problem

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they have been assigned with textures that contain alphachannel and the p3d is flagged as transparent even though it should not be

sharp coral
# stuck oyster model problem

so as an end user, am I able to fix it by making a new texture with proper name and parameters and redoing the config, or would I have to work on the original object file?

stuck oyster
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no

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it would have to be the original one

sharp coral
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ugh, okay

stuck oyster
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that information gets baked into the p3d

silver zenith
#

hey question
what makes trees and blades of grass move along the wind?

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is it a named property or some model.cfg setting?

ebon abyss
silver zenith
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oh thanks

stuck oyster
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clutter does it through a clutter config value

broken glade
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Just getting "An error occured during save operation." in OB, also on default blender cubes that I try to save after export. Does anyone now whats the reason for this error?

leaden sun
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are you using the arma 3 toolbox?

broken glade
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yes

leaden sun
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If so then there seems to be some kind of link made between the two, object builder sometimes wont let you save while the blend file is open, and vice versa

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save the OB file as a copy

broken glade
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Nice, closed Blender and its working

stuck oyster
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If you get error in p3d export the p3d gets locked in windows file system for blenders use

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so you need to close blender like you did to break that lock

amber charm
#

Hey all - was hoping someone might be able to help me out with something - I want to play around with the new volume light support functionality with the recent update - but I have no idea what sort of design approach to take with creating a volume light shape - was wondering if someone has done this yet, and if there were sample shape.p3d files out there to look at? I really want to get my feet wet, just don't really know where to start - I think I understand the scripting side of it, looks like though a model file is required for the volume shape itself - and not quite sure how exactly that comes into play.

polar fiber
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It's just a set of planes with a conical light texture applied

runic flare
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model.cfg
type = translationY;
Rotation is easy but I don't understand what axis should I define and how to define movement start and end for translationY

Model works fine but translation is only for ~ 1m. I want to move ~ 7-8m

stuck oyster
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translationY does not use axis

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its always on Y axis

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you would define larger offset values to move it further

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offset0 offset1

desert notch
#

so I had a stupid question.
if you have a simple p3d file (like a model with a single lod, like RoadWay) is there any advantage to binarizing it?

bold flare
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yes

desert notch
#

well what? 😄

bold flare
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what what

desert notch
#

what advantage

bold flare
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loading faster, less memory usage, less cpu usage

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When you load a unbinarized model, Arma simply binarizes it at load time

desert notch
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only once?

bold flare
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no

desert notch
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😬

desert notch
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is there any way to get pboProject to use my pbo prefix as the "folder name"?

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I almost always set my pbo names (and hence folder names) differently from the pbo prefix

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but that causes pboProject to go bananas and show me ridiculous missing file errors

desert notch
bold flare
desert notch
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¯_(ツ)_/¯

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I just tried this:

deleteVehicle createSimpleObject ["GFIX\roadway.p3d", getPosASL player]

both binarized and debinarized were about ~0.07 ms

bold flare
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u doing it wrong

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walks away

sturdy parcel
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is there any way to get pboProject to use my pbo prefix as the "folder name"
no

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pboProejct will rename the pbo automatically to whatever you want to call it. BUT, the files\must\be\in\the\correct\folder to begin with, because the nameOf.pbo is not used by the engine.

sturdy parcel
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and show me ridiculous missing file errors
that's no more ridiculous than expecting pboProject to believe you haven't had a slip of the fingers with typos

desert notch
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that's my point

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let's say I have named my mod folder blabla, and I have a file in here: p:\blabla\folder\file.sqf

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but inside my mod configs I set the path according to the actual pbo prefix (e.g. my_mod\folder\file.sqf, where my_mod is the pbo prefix)

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but pboProject tells me my_mod\folder\file.sqf is missing

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because the actual mod folder name was blabla, not my_mod

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in other words, I want my pbo (and my mod folder) to be named blabla, but I can't. I have to do it after building the addon (addon builder doesn't have this problem)

sturdy parcel
#

yes. i understand perfectly, what you want to do. and, in theory it's a great way of organising your workflow. What you don't realise is that bis binarise, not just pboProject, needs to look at files other than the project folder that it's binarising. Examples would be 'external' proxies for for p3ds, 'external' hidden texture selections, foreign rvmats that need to be binarised into the p3d under the hammer, wrp building, desperately looking for it's land classes, wrp building trying to locate it's config.cpp (not all are in the wrp pbo itself).

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in short, binarise assumes pre-binarised assets already exist in p:\temp for it to play with. yours are in the wrong location!

desert notch
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ah I see. thanks for the explanation

sturdy parcel
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thank you for acknowledging that. The good news is, you can still get what you want with pboPro because it 'allows' the pbo to be renamed (and it's bisigns).

twilit depot
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Is there any real documentation for land decal models

flat breach
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just a quick one, how do i change the type of proxy?

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i copied the wheel damage proxy from the testcar and want to change it to a truck wheel

stuck oyster
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@flat breach if there is a such model you would repath the proxy to it by clicking on the proxy selection

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using proxies for that is not really mandatory in case you make the model

flat breach
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thats what i was asking

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how do i repath the proxy so it shows something else

stuck oyster
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click on it

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might need double click

flat breach
#

rog

twilit depot
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anyone have some insider knowledge on them then? creating a geom lod with a single point and assigning land_decal class hasn't exactly worked

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im assuming maybe some model.cfg magic but

stuck oyster
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has not worked how?

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no model.cfg is used on them

twilit depot
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doesn't align to terrain, strangely enough

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maybe me using model.cfg is the problem

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:)

stuck oyster
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class land_decal is what you used?

twilit depot
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yeah

stuck oyster
twilit depot
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oh

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thats

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very useful

sturdy parcel
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what program are you ladies using to put all that lovely red text on the image?

twilit depot
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lol ms paint

sturdy parcel
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oh wow!

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never knew