are you inheriting from one of the vanilla vehicles?
#arma3_model
stuck oyster
stuck oyster
are you changing the displayName?
sullen scaffold
i pretty much just copied the config from the sample hatchback and changed the classnames and display name
class M35: Car_F
{
model = "\ArmyTruck\data\M35"; /// simple path to model
picture = "\A3\Weapons_F\Data\placeholder_co.paa"; /// just some icon in command bar
Icon = "\A3\Weapons_F\Data\placeholder_co.paa"; /// icon in map
displayName = "M35 Truck"; /// displayed in Editor
median bough
@sullen scaffold
on a side not: code can be better read and interpreted when you use markdown ๐
sullen scaffold
is that in basicdefines or config.cpp?
sullen scaffold
starting to think I shou;dnt have used the sample config
stuck oyster
well its fine but you are diving head on into making complex things
so its not as simple as you may think
sullen scaffold
ah ha!
I have something
the textures are screwed up, but I think I know why, but I've got something
thank you for your help
i'll keep tweaking this
stuck oyster
mass, convex geometry components that each have a componentXXX name
worldly ridge
Any idea why this material looks like this https://i.imgur.com/2RrQkQp.jpg. It goes away when AA is disabled. This is the rvmat https://pastebin.com/fB0u4wQs
sullen scaffold
Anyone know if the model for the 5T Truck from Arma 1 is available? Might save me some work. Surprised it's not in cup.
stuck oyster
A1 stuff is not quite up par in visuals
sullen scaffold
So to save time because I was anxious to get the model in game, for the geometry and geometry phys LODs, i just made a box around the truck from the roof to the bottom of the tires. Would this cause the truck not to move in-game? It wasn't my final intention, just a test.
stuck oyster
likely yes if the physX tires cant touch the ground
sullen scaffold
Well the box doesnt go below the tires, it lines up with the bottom
stuck oyster
yes thats where the bottom of the physx tires is
sullen scaffold
Ok, so the physx lod cant have anything intersect the wheels?
high stag
Anyone know the reason why my gunner proxy is in the sitting position when he's suppose to be in the standing position?
sullen scaffold
Is there a way to merge two shapes together or add geometry to an existing shape? For example a square that I want to make into a complex shape.
In object builder
stuck oyster
@high stag the proxy in P3D only defines the position of the proxy. the Driver/GunnerAction parameter in config defines the actual used animation
high stag
but the gunneraction is correct
stuck oyster
@sullen scaffold not easily, use better programs to make models
sullen scaffold
just trying to make a quick geo lod like this - https://community.bistudio.com/wiki/File:Truck-GeoLOD.gif
it says it must be closed and convexed, so i'm assuming it has to be one shape?
stuck oyster
no
it can be multiple parts
each must be convex
refer to Arma 3 Sample models for examples
sullen scaffold
ok, I think i've made decent LODs now, but the truck still won't move, and I can run right through it
any ideas as to why?
sullen scaffold
the resolution lod, or the geometry lod?
stuck oyster
yes that probably is the most straightforward way for now if you have done other stuff in it too
it could be done in Blender too if you model with that
high stag
@stuck oyster ```
ST3_SWCC_BASE: rightturret - unknown animation source rightturret
ST3_SWCC_BASE: rightgun - unknown animation source rightgun
ST3_SWCC_BASE: right_muzzleflash - unknown animation source right_muzzle_source
Error: bin\config.bin/CfgVehicles/Ship/Turrets/MainTurret/: Turret body mainTurret not found while initializing the model ab_st3_swcc\ab_st3_swcc_p.p3d
Error: bin\config.bin/CfgVehicles/Ship/Turrets/MainTurret/: Turret gun mainGun not found while initializing the model ab_st3_swcc\ab_st3_swcc_p.p3d
it seems like my config isnt reading my model.cfg
high stag
^^ yes
sullen scaffold
is there like an auto-mass calculator?
it doesn't like my numbers
23:00:04: Warning: armytruck\data\m35.p3d:100, vertex: 81, sum of weights is 61, should be 100
sullen scaffold
I haven't added any animations though, i'm not sure what I need to fix
sullen scaffold
yeah its down at the bottom
high stag
then highlight the model and enter an mass
and unclick that check box
i suggest you download arma 3 samples
sullen scaffold
i have them
sullen scaffold
i copied the mass from the hatchback
high stag
did u add the dampers?
sullen scaffold
yes to the wheel objects
sullen scaffold
ok
rough idol
rough idol
it means that in Resolution LOD vertex with number 81 has wrong weight
it should be 100 in total and in your case its 61
high stag
select the whole model in LOD and change the weight to 100
high stag
theres no need for him to have selectional weights on a car
unless he wants to transform that car into a walking transformer
rough idol
weighting is usually used for dampers
or soft things like antennas
(if you have them animated)
sullen scaffold
its just a simple truck, the only things that move are the wheels and the steering wheel
high stag
@rough idol u got any experience with turrets?
sullen scaffold
theres about 50 of these sum of weights errors
rough idol
alright, then try indeed selecting whole model in that LOD and change weight to 100 on all selections
high stag
highlight all the selections
rough idol
what is wrong with your turrets?
high stag
and right click on one
and you should change all
a lot of things LOL
for one, my proxy isn't working
ST3_SWCC_BASE: rightturret - unknown animation source rightturret
ST3_SWCC_BASE: rightgun - unknown animation source rightgun
ST3_SWCC_BASE: right_muzzleflash - unknown animation source right_muzzle_source
Error: bin\config.bin/CfgVehicles/Ship/Turrets/MainTurret/: Turret body mainTurret not found while initializing the model ab_st3_swcc\ab_st3_swcc_p.p3d
Error: bin\config.bin/CfgVehicles/Ship/Turrets/MainTurret/: Turret gun mainGun not found while initializing the model ab_st3_swcc\ab_st3_swcc_p.p3d
this is in my .rpt
body="RightTurret";
gun="RightGun";
animationSourceBody="RightTurret";
animationSourceGun="RightGun";
gunnerAction="gunner_standup01";
this is in my turret class
rough idol
copy whole config via paste bin for example
sullen scaffold
Is there a recommended guide for a first time mod maker? I followed a youtube tutorial and wishing I hadn't, caused all sorts of problems for me
rough idol
@high stag all turrets need to be in class Turrets
high stag
Class Turrets:Turrets?
high stag
ahh gotchaa
high stag
@rough idol Any reason why I can't control the turret?
rough idol
any rpt errors?
rough idol
and how your config looks like?
blissful spire
@high stag, im had that issue. Make sure your mem points are in a group named the same as your turret selections. Making sure everything is parented right helps too
Also, do you have a gunnerview or pilotview (i think you need the pilot for just turrets. Cant remember)
I just have the issue now where its not using my barrel mem points correctly myself
high stag
hmm ok il look into it!
gusty grotto
Does anybody know what could cause this transparency issue with an insignia selection? https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/556910433710374933/710833505076117625/unknown.png - I've tried "move top" and even checked the face orientation so normals aren't inverted.
It should be set up like the one in the character template
rough idol
original insignia is most likely without transparency
gusty grotto
Okay, I'll need to check it out in Blender. It can't be the texture though since it works fine with BIS stuff.
latent lily
So I've decided to get into animating a tank for my own project, but before I do, I need to make sure the models I want to use are going to work. Looking for opinions on some turbosquid models (I know, it's not as cool or awesome as modeling something yourself)
1.) https://www.turbosquid.com/3d-models/3d-model-m60a3-tank-m60-gun/483907
2.) https://www.turbosquid.com/3d-models/3d-model-m60a3-battle-tank/1047769
3.) https://www.turbosquid.com/3d-models/3d-max-m60a3-battle-tank-turkish/1020491
Also, I found a "destroyed" model, not sure if I should use it for the destroyed tank or not. Other options would be to modify the "full health" tank model to be destroyed or simply retexture the tank with a "burned out" skin.
https://www.turbosquid.com/3d-models/3d-model-real-time-m60/762920
gusty grotto
My stuff resolved, I was totally dumb and accidentially assigned the transparent texture to sleeve as well.
stuck oyster
@latent lily those wont really shortcut you to the hard part of making the actual game model that works in Arma.
latent lily
I had a feeling. The problem is skill, time and personnel for a lot of my project issues. Trying to make an entire mod solo but all I know is basic config coding. Was hoping there was a way around modeling at least, but it seems not.
quick terrace
@latent lily none of these models can be used as they are
as per PM exchange, as far as i know there is no proper real game ready mesh available for purchase
the ones listed are of medium-poor quality
both model and texture related
latent lily
So even from the perspective of a jump off point, these wouldn't even cut it i take it, aka if i want this tank I'm starting completely from scratch
quick terrace
the only m60 proper model i know is still this one:
https://www.artstation.com/artwork/Qz206B
that would worth buying, but then again, that is commissioned work for GHPC, so it isn't for sale
latent lily
Yeah the GHPC model is perfect so of course it's not for sale lol So in any event, it sounds like I'm back to the drawing board for a model. Thanks for the advice
sullen scaffold
What makes a model arma usable or not?
stuck oyster
Appropriate tricount and details, proper LODs both visual and technical ones, Arma compatible textures (no PBR)
sullen scaffold
What's the max tri count for a vehicle?
stuck oyster
well max limit is not what you want to reach
but there are certain recommendations
depending on vehicle size and if it has interiors or not
sullen scaffold
So all these models that say PBR cant be used?
Okay so just humor me, I know the models aren't up to snuff. But if I wanted to port something from Arma 1 into Arma 3, would I use the same steps as porting from Arma 2 into Arma 3 as listed here?https://pmc.editing.wiki/doku.php?id=arma3:port-arma2-vehicles
quick terrace
PBR textures cannot be used no, but all PBR textures could in theory be translated (manually) into non Pbr
textures are the last of concern
@sullen scaffold yes, more or less
sullen scaffold
Really need to get a deuce and a half or 5-ton truck and OFP/ARMA 1 had one. Figure I might be able to use it as a starting point.
sullen scaffold
Yeah, pretty much all but the 5T truck
Just the ural and mtvr
Guess I need to find my arma 1 disc
stuck oyster
that wont help you
sullen scaffold
won't I need it for the textures?
The downloadable arma 1 assets are just the p3d files
stuck oyster
ah yeah that
for a moment there I though you were going to try to just bring over the truck as is from A1
quick terrace
to be honest, i doubt the A1 model would fit very well in A3
woeful viper
if he's happy with the poor detail... i dont see why not ๐คทโโ๏ธ
vagrant monolith
is there an easy way to weight paint hands and fingers in blender? its starting to make me lose my mind on how inaccurate it is if I try to paint them by hand(no pun intended).
sullen scaffold
I'm assuming I could up-res the textures and repaint it also? @quick terrace
woeful viper
you could, the question is if you'll like the result. Most up-resings ive seen in modding didnt look too good - unless basically made from scratch
stuck oyster
@vagrant monolith practice is what it needs.
you can also separate parts, paint them and join them back etc.
vagrant monolith
then I better get back to practising ๐
woeful viper
is there no weight transfer from arma sample model possible? I would use this as base and then adjust based on looks
vagrant monolith
the weight transfer is inaccurate to my model, trust me, i've tried
woeful viper
guess no shortcuts then
stuck oyster
if weight transfer is inaccurate you probably will want to adjust your model
as it may not fit the animations at all
your models topology should follow the arma man very closely so that it can move with its animations
vagrant monolith
well, the hands are currently the only thing not currently weighted
I
I've playtested my model ingame and the gloves I have are not applying like fingers, other than that its quite nice
vagrant monolith
I duplicated them from sample mans hands
and adjusted a bit to make them look like gloves ie, removed fingernails and stuff
silver zenith
is there a way to make a model visible from behind other models?
quick terrace
??
silver zenith
like a chair thats visible from behind a wall
stuck oyster
no
marble ravine
When using buldozer my mouse seems to get stuck, I can;t move it out of the bloody window. Currenly just Ctrl + alt + deleting when i what out but that doesn't seems intended, anyone know how you are actually supposed to get your mouse cursor free from the buldozer?
stuck oyster
alt tab and clicking somewhere else works
buldozer is best run in windown
occasionally it gets stuck on mine too and I have C+A+D
marble ravine
Ah yes, atl tabbing also exists, god, why is my instinct ctrl alt delete. 
high stag
anyone know how the Min and Maxturn is calculated on the turrets?
stuck oyster
animations are always set to full rad 360 and -rad 360. then the config for the turret defines the turning limits
high stag
yeah i did that in the model.cfg but i wanna calculate it in the config.cpp
by the way, @stuck oyster arma 3 has a second Minigun called LMG_Minigun2
so I didn't have to create my own weaponscfg
sullen scaffold
Is there an easy way to get things out of object builder and into blender?
Object builder doesn't seem to export obj
sullen scaffold
ah ok, looks like blender will do fbx
stuck oyster
Blender Arma toolbox Addon imports straight p3d
no need to play around with silly conversion formats
@sullen scaffold @high stag
FHQ toolbox on GIT
sullen scaffold
Ok got my ARMA files so trying to port over this 5T truck.
Firstly i'm doing this in Object Builder instead of Oxygen2. Will that work? And secondly the 1.000 LOD just has mirrors on it, should I be concerned with that?
high stag
object builder = oxygen 2
i believe oxygen 2 is the older version of object builder
rendering mirrors or PiP in the visual LOD causes stress to the engine
It's best if you place a chrome.rvmat on the mirror and use PIP in the view cargo LOD
sullen scaffold
its strange, there's several versions of the truck 5t_closed, 5t_open, etc, only the 5t_closed has the actual truck in the 1.000 LOD
the rest of them just show the mirrors in the 1.000 and nothing else
i'll just focus on the closed truck first
stuck oyster
Some p3ds may have some of the mesh hidden
select all + unhide sorts that out
OB = O2 basically
sullen scaffold
ah ok
So optics_shine.rvmat isn't where it is supposed to be, do you know what I could replace this with?
stuck oyster
nope
stuck oyster
๐ ๐
sullen scaffold
5t truck doesn't look horrible, needs a new dash
Can probably figure something out for that
looks like optics_shine.rvmat is the gauge cluster, that file is missing from the arma pbo though
sullen scaffold
So when I go to the mass texture and materials renamer and put in the path, I follow the directions on the PMC wiki, but the texture lines are still red, if I change the path to one folder forward, then the lines turn black but then the textures don't work
But when they are red, the textures work
I'm guessing this is because I used the Arma 3 Tools Prepare P drive method. Trying to re-do this using the PMC way. Anyone know how to un-mount the arma 3 tools P drive?
The option in the tools menu doesn't work
stuck oyster
yeh it sticks like a tick
I think you might need to uninstall it and reinstall it so that you run it only one time
sullen scaffold
Just restarted, looks like its gone now
sullen scaffold
Setting it up through the PMC wiki, I think you said that's the correct way?
replacing the bat file, etc
stuck oyster
yes
though you can make a new bat on your desktop too if you prefer
the tools bat would be replaced when you update the arma tools
sullen scaffold
Ok, after remounting P through that method, it didn't seem to change my texture map issue
So the path to my texture is P:\Operation68\5TTruck\data\black.pac
I put Operation68\5TTruck\data\black.pac as the "new name" in the texture remapper, it goes red, but it works. I put 5TTruck\data\black.pac it goes back, but doesn't work. I don't get it.
stuck oyster
why pac?
sullen scaffold
that's what I pulled out of the PBO
most of them are PAA, that's the only PAC
Is my path naming scheme correct?
sullen scaffold
in object builder config?
stuck oyster
yes
sullen scaffold
"path for textures" is blank
stuck oyster
set it to P:\
marsh canyon
I have my own object with original p3d (just a plain polygons tho), it's working properly in-game, but setObjectMaterial doesn't work properly. I don't know what could cause this so I don't know what to tell you to get help. Maybe engine-side problem?
(Left plain polygon is my own User Texture object, which has adjustable scale. I did setObjectMaterial [0,"a3\air_f\heli_light_02\data\heli_light_02_ext.rvmat"] to the User Texture, just for the test. As you can see it doesn't show the material. After that, placing Orca itself will ruin its LOD like right.)
sullen scaffold
wish I could help you, i'm still new myself. All i can say is did you reference one of the arma 3 sample models?
from the sample files
high stag
did you add any selections to those triangle thingys?
blissful fulcrum
Has anyone ever ran into the issue of Folding iron sights that when folded down they rotate like they are supposed to but they also move instead of just rotating? Posted in config makers too just because i cant seem to figure out the issue...
marsh canyon
@karmic silo Why did you even remove your posts
karmic silo
Kept getting random DMs that were not too nice lmao
marsh canyon
Understandable reason I've ever heard
karmic silo
I just fixed my issue/broke it more at the same time so I was just gonna tinker with it rather then getting spammed with random with dms lol
quick terrace
@marsh canyon setobjectmaterial has been pretty borked for a while now (year(s))
marsh canyon
Is it? Damn...
rough idol
@blissful fulcrum your ironsight bone is part of another bone
blissful fulcrum
would that be an issue in my model or model.cfg? forgive me im sorta new to this
blissful fulcrum
hmm when i check the weights of my selections i only see 100% of what they are supposed to be
rough idol
can you show screen from that menu?
blissful fulcrum
mmk and when u say bone do you mean my axis or my selections? just want to make sure
blissful fulcrum
thas just the backsight but the foresight says the same thing
except it says "foresight" lol
rough idol
and how is your model.cfg looking like?
rough idol
do you have autocenter = 0 in geometry LOD?
you need named properties window to see that
blissful fulcrum
im not seeing any
rough idol
thats your issue then
blissful fulcrum
oh
high stag
hey reyhard, do you know the GunnerAction for the person to stand up in FFV turrets?
blissful fulcrum
Thanks reyhard!
high stag
i have
none of em stand up unfortunately
I remember shultz posting this
but unfortunately, that dropblink dont work anymore
vagrant monolith
is there a fast way to apply textures to every lods selections in object builder? or do i really need to do it by hand in every lod?
ivory scaffold
Hey guys I just moved to blender 2.8 and i am trying to export my model but i get an error
http://prntscr.com/shvxdc
this is the error thank you for helping ๐
vagrant monolith
try triangulating your mesh
vagrant monolith
in blender, select your mesh, goto edit mode and select all select face(ctr+f) select triangulate faces, then try again to export
hope i explained as hard to understand as possible ๐
vagrant monolith
No problem, always remember to triangulate ๐
ivory scaffold
hhhh, one more problem that i have signed the geo lods in blender but i cant see them in OB
stuck oyster
with proxies yes
stuck oyster
you use the proxy that uses that animation
thats what gunner/driver etc proxies are for
or are you trying to make that rtm?
high stag
^^
stuck oyster
?
stuck oyster
then you need a proxy for that rtm to see it like that
high stag
how do u import an rtm into a proxy?
stuck oyster
for example you take the sample man, import your rtm to it and save it as your gunner_proxy.p3d
high stag
ohh
ok
it wont let me import when i right click on the keyframe
any reason that might be?
stuck oyster
probably clicking the wrong thing.
upbeat prawn
HELICOPTER RTD: looking for anyone who knows how to calculate MOUNTSTATION xyz coordinate for ground contacts in Helicopter RTD XML?
rough idol
@upbeat prawn try to search for RTD in:#arma3_config
sullen scaffold
As a rule, when creating a file structure, using something like RHS or CUP for example, do you do RHS/Ural/data
?
median bough
depends... what are you trying to do?
sullen scaffold
well i'm starting to second guess my naming
So say I want to call my overall mod "Operation 68" something like that. And the vehicle i'm working on is the 5 Ton Truck. So i setup my file structure like operation68/5ttruck/data
But is that going to pack my truck into a operation68.pbo and it have to stay that way?
median bough
where is the config.cpp located in this?
sullen scaffold
because i'm assuming the end file struction for the actual mod will be @Operation68/Addons/5tTruck.pbo
i haven't got that far yet
median bough
only folder with a config.cpp will be packed to pbo
median bough
- use a smaller modder prefix, like OP68
- create a folder named as your prefix on pdrive
create subfolders for each pbo you want.
median bough
OP68/5ton/config.cpp will result in 5ton.pbo
sullen scaffold
ok
and then what relevance does the OP68 have? does the @ folder have to be named OP68?
or is that just for model building purposes
median bough
on your p drive it's just top keep thinks sorted actually
sullen scaffold
ok
i've already started doing textures and rvmat reassigning, if I move the p3d is that going to screw everything up?
median bough
if you are about to pack with pboProject, go to your mods folder, create a new folder called @operation68 and set it as output folder
i've already started doing textures and rvmat reassigning, if I move the p3d is that going to screw everything up?
one sec...
sullen scaffold
ok
median bough
it is very important to have a clear structure before you start.
my suggestion:
p:\op68\ -> (root folder)
p:\op68[asset]\config.cpp -> (output will be [asset].pbo)
p:\op68\ [asset]\data\ -> (images, rvmats, ect goes here)
p:\op68\ [asset]\models\ -> (p3d data goes here)
p:\op68\ [asset]\scripts\ -> (script data goes here)
sullen scaffold
ok, thank you, that looks nice
median bough
you then have to adjust paths accordingly
so, if your 5ton truck has a paa texture, the path in the model must be op68\5ton\data\texture.paa
median bough
and whatever you do, make sure you don't have the p:\ in a path. ๐
sullen scaffold
Cool, thank you
sullen scaffold
Do the flag proxies work on vehicles? I've never seen one in arma 3
median bough
they do iirc
worldly belfry
yep they work
high stag
how does the anti-water rvmat work?
im reading the ship config guidelines and its basically creating a plane but where do we get this anti-water rvmat?
nvm got it
sullen scaffold
What is the purpose of the wheel _1_1_hide vs wheel_1_1_unhide?
woeful viper
hide the functional wheel, unhide the destroyed wheel
sullen scaffold
and the unhide wheel is a proxy?
woeful viper
it doesnt have to be, but can be
sullen scaffold
and as a proxy it will show up in game if the wheel is shot out?
I also have the damagewheel proxies, confused as to why both are needed
woeful viper
nothing is needed. You can also do something entirely different.
proxy or not has nothing to do with it. wheel_1_1_hide is just like any other named selection. You can do whatever you want with it, name it blob_5 or whatever. The seleciton can be a mesh inside the p3d, or it can be a proxy.
sullen scaffold
hm, ok
woeful viper
instead of putting 8x the same model of a damaged wheel into a 8x8 truck, one could use 8 proxies and one seperate p3d . It has advantages and disadvantages
sullen scaffold
every time you add a named selection do you have to redefine it?
woeful viper
what do you mean
sullen scaffold
In some of the tutorials i've seen they have you right click on the named selections and click "redefine"
I don't really know what that does other than that i'm supposed to do it
woeful viper
you select something in your viewer window (e.g. 1 face or some vertices). If you then RMB->redefine a named selection, then this named selection will be what you just selected
sullen scaffold
I've been going - select in viewer window, and then in the defintions box, rmb->new and then giving it a name
after I name it do I have to right click on it and redefine?
woeful viper
deselect and then select that named selection again and you will see what it contains
sullen scaffold
right, it has the piece that I selected
woeful viper
if it has what you want, then there is no need to redefine
woeful viper
if you want to add to, then click first on the n.selection, then in the viewer add to it, then click redefine
woeful viper
it doesnt behave correctly when clicking a n.selection, then deselect in window and clicking that same n.selection again (from memory)
so thats why sometimes its a bit inconsistent/ requires double checking if you dont do redefining after the "add n.selection"
sullen scaffold
ok
The czech names here: https://community.bistudio.com/wiki/ArmA:_Selection_Translations
Is there a lis that translates these into the new arma 3 english names?
for example from the test car I know that zamerny is aimpoint, but this list doesn't say that
woeful viper
not that i know of. Since you are not bound to the names (you can rename them however you want, as long as the config and the model / animation use the same names) - there is no real need to imo.
note that in the configs of vanilla stuff, many attribute names (such as aimpoint) are not explicitly specified in the vehicle classes themself, because they inherit all that from the various the parent classes.
if you are unsure / want to use identical names, check the parent classes
marble ravine
How do you strip mass information from a Geometry Phys lod in object builder? I copied my Geometry lod, stripped it down, but now it contains mass information and setting mass to zero doesn't work as 0 mass still is mass information.
stuck oyster
physx lod does not contain mass
marble ravine
I select my phys lod and the mass box is not grayed out. any other lod that has no mass information has the box grayed out.
stuck oyster
well setting it to 0 when everything is selected will remove any mass you might have.
sullen scaffold
When you delete something from an LOD by going to the named selection, right clicking and choosing "delete (all LODs)" is there a way to make it delete the actual object from all the LODs also?
stuck oyster
Don't think so.
sullen scaffold
Do I write the model.cfg manually, or does object builder create it?
Nevermind, looks like i create it. How do I know what to name the skeleton though?
upbeat prawn
@sullen scaffold any name but I stick to "MyModelnameSkeleton"
sullen scaffold
ok thanks
sullen scaffold
How do I get the model.cfg to pack with the model? It doesn't seem to recognize it and it's creating a short version by itself.
stuck oyster
@sullen scaffold did you read the BI wiki pages about "how to animate a model" and model. Cfg
sullen scaffold
reading now
sullen scaffold
i've somehow got a .paa in my materials list on the left, i'm not sure how. Is there a way I can remove this? It won't open in buldozer and my textures are all screwed up now.
stuck oyster
Buldozer works only with PAA. Not sure what you mean there
sullen scaffold
I don't know, i've screwed it up somehow, probably going to have to start over
so frustrated
sullen scaffold
ok I fixed that particular issue, but I have more. I don't understand why it looks fine in buldozer, but in ARMA the textures on certain parts are a mess
the body texture is being applied to the wheels and the interior dashboard in arma, but not when I look at in buldozer
stuck oyster
What are you packing it with?
sullen scaffold
pboproject
stuck oyster
Got pics?
sullen scaffold
sure, 1 min
here's what it looks like in buldozer: https://imgur.com/a/CNoRq6i
here's what I have in arma: https://imgur.com/undefined
oops
textures were working fine, I was having issues with my model.cfg and I think I messed something up, redefined something together with something else and that's what caused this
but it doesn't explain why it looks fine in buldozer
sullen scaffold
how do I know if there is an rvmat assigned to it
there are rvmats in here, I don't know if it's specifically assigned to that piece though
quick terrace
select mesh press e check for rvmat
why do people use these channels as a live 1:1 tutorial before figuring the basic keybinds and controls beats me
sullen scaffold
I looked for a manual for object builder, couldn't find anything
quick terrace
how did you assign textures?
sullen scaffold
mass texture & material renaming menu
quick terrace
that is not assigning, that is changing paths
sullen scaffold
its an arma 1 model, so they were already assigned
quick terrace
ahh, yet another issue with people starting up. they choose to do something that should be pretty easy (minus a few parts) yet they lack the basics so everything feels a ton harder
why donโt you make an ammo box or smth, it doesnโt involve hand iks, physics lod etc
mossy violet
Anyone have a good UV making tutorial (a lot of what I've seen still hurts my head). I end up doing the blender smart unwrap but obviously that's a bad idea, haha.
quick terrace
anyways, o2 manual has the very basics, including settings up rvmat and co/ca textures
@mossy violet there are duckton available
but you need to know a few badic principles that are software agnostic
- always have a split where a hard edge is
- you can have more uv splits than hard edges
- keep stretching to a minimum even if that means more uv islands
- try and keep things parallel to u and v axis
especially for hard surface meshes
mossy violet
Thanks for the advice, I think I'm just tired. I'll have a rest and have another go at it tomorrow.
quick terrace
- for arma, uniform texel is recommended
- adjust padding for resolution
for 1:1 blender uv unwraps, i am sure there are countless tuts
marble ravine
for 1:1 blender uv unwraps, i am sure there are countless tuts
@quick terrace Countless + infinity
quick terrace
afaik, as non blender user, you can do what max can do too, as in directly unwrap based on hard edges
and thatโs already a good automated starting point
marble ravine
you can indeed
vernal lynx
Hoy !
any known issue with faces binarization ?
I binarize from Samples_F, I binarize from eliteness skeleton of arma default head, I binarize with pbo project, with Addon maker
and they are still between the legs
skeleton doesnt apply to them for some reason
stuck oyster
p3d names match for sure?
stuck oyster
ManSkeleton should likely be OFP2_ManSkeleton?
vernal lynx
yep, the one from samples_F/templateRTM
stuck oyster
in your pastebin its not though
vernal lynx
it failed when I use the OFP2_ManSkeleton copy pasted from eliteness
stuck oyster
failed how?
vernal lynx
same, stuck between the legs
stuck oyster
OFP2_Manskeleton is what the engine uses
vernal lynx
let me try from Samples_F\Test_Character_01
stuck oyster
that one should work I think.
vernal lynx
I used it in my setup yesterday with independant model.cfg and it failed
๐
I'll see now
now it worked
every day in arma 3 I feel more retarded
ty @stuck oyster
stuck oyster
๐
sullen scaffold
@stuck oyster That texture issue I was working on last night. If I remove the HiddenSelectionTextures option out of the config, it fixes itself. But that removes my option to have different skins.
The "camo" texture is basically the entire vehicle, tires, interior, everything. That is what is being used for the hidden selections. Do I not list each texture associated with that selection in the config?
hiddenSelections[] = {"camo"}; hiddenSelectionsTextures[] = {"Operation68\5TTruck\Data\truck5t_wdlnd_01_co.paa","operation68\5ttruck\data\truck5t_wdlnd_02_co.paa"};
steel vector
but you now have one selection, but 2 textures...
steel vector
each texture you add to hiddenSelectionsTextures[] needs it's own entry in hiddenSelections[], meaning your model needs multiple named selections
stuck oyster
that only contain the mesh that has that texture
sullen scaffold
Is this something I can fix in the config, or does the model need to be separated into different parts?
stuck oyster
did it have only 1 texture?
sullen scaffold
since that is what I have listed
sullen scaffold
so theoretically, selecting the first texture, the body texture and creating a new named selection "camo" and deleting the old one that encompasses the whole vehicle would fix this?
stuck oyster
yes
last kestrel
I dont really know where to ask this, my friend made 3 uniforms, but with ACE we are invincible. Is there a way to fix that?
stuck oyster
fix the uniform damage/hitpoint values
or it may need a ace compatibility patch taht enables ACE damage stuff on them.
when in doubt where to ask, #arma3_questions is the place to go
stuck oyster
Hey @shrewd jay is Toolbox p3d exporter capable of writing custom vertex normals?
shrewd jay
No not yet. It pipes through o2script to "fix" the normals
weak lotus
Hauzman's issues resolved btw I accidentally exported the model without a fire geometry.
stuck oyster
๐ that does make sense
ivory scaffold
Hey guys quick question, if i want to put a text curve in my building model i need to put it as another visual lod
or in the same visual lod with the building model?
@stuck oyster
@shrewd jay
stuck oyster
pls dont tag for quick questions. This aint no 24/7 hotline ๐
also whats a text curve?
stuck oyster
sure, but truth to be told its not important to me.
stuck oyster
im not paid employee or teacher or anything like that
Im just volunteering my time and knowledge here
ivory scaffold
also whats a text curve?
@stuck oyster
i just want to add a text to my building but in OB and in game it looks that it disappear
stuck oyster
text how?
ivory scaffold
just a text you know
ivory scaffold
just putting a text curve and converting it into mesh
and connecting it with the building model
but in arma it looks like it disappear
stuck oyster
maybe you did not pack it in
ivory scaffold
i connect the text mesh with the another building meshes but it not looks good in game
mayble i need to put the text mesh as another visual lod
stuck oyster
that wont work
stuck oyster
I dunno. if you make it mesh and export it, it should show up
if you dont see it in OB
then you have not exported it
try modeling it from cubes or something to see if that works
sullen scaffold
@stuck oyster and @steel vector - Correcting the mesh with the proper hiddenselections worked. Thank you.
stuck oyster
๐
sullen scaffold
Do you know what would make my truck so back heavy? The front wheels don't touch the ground. Vurtual gave me his model to compare to and i've looked at it and set up my mass the same on the Geometry LOD but it doesn't seem to be doing any good. Is that a memory point issue?
stuck oyster
probs broken physX config
sullen scaffold
could my center of mass be off?
stuck oyster
well in a way sure, but it what you describe does not sound like a mass issue but quite possibly physX config beign wrong for your vehicle. Each vehicle needs its own physX config with appropriate damper spring settings and such
also could be some of your memorypoints are in wrong direction
could be very many things.
stuck oyster
well did you just copy it from somewhere or did you actually calculate correct values to it?
sullen scaffold
just copied it, i'll read over the cars config guidelines and see if that tells me what to modify
rich vale
Hello, I managed to import that (https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/422388703097257984/712050147319611402/unknown.png) in Arma 3 but the only problem I have is that my model disappear at certain view angle or if i'm getting too close. I have 4 resolution LOD and the other LODs are set too. I heard this was an issue about the size limit of the geometry LOD but my geometry LOD is 13 meters long so I don't really know. Tell me if you know a solution.
stuck oyster
animation classes has a thing for that
boundingsphere or somesuch it was
I should probably give you a heads up though that using ripped models from other games is a very strict no no around here
@rich vale
sullen scaffold
Do you know if there's any way to change the background LOD color?
dusky grotto
@shrewd jay
Hey, i wanna relocate some rvmats and textrues of some Arma2 OA assets using blenders Arma Material Relocation.
The problem is, its not relocating the .paa's but only the .Rvmat's. First i got a error that told me the output path is not finde "anknown loaction". I fixed that by changeing the tga to paa. Now i get no error but its still not relocating (copying) the textures to the wanted output folder.
Seems like i have it set up correct: I have the search prefix on the correct spot and the output folder is set to my custom directory.
Can please any one tell me what couled be the issu, why its not relocating the paa's?
Thank you very much! ๐
stuck oyster
would it at this point be faster to just copy the materials where you want them and rename the paths in the rvmats in text editor? Never personally used that function of the toolbox
dusky grotto
not rly.. i wanna import a lot of assets and it wouled save a lot of time
rich vale
@stuck oyster Thanks for the answer, I'll try to follow this path. For the model, we can say that you haven't seen it. It came with a custom license that allow me to import it.
stuck oyster
That does not sound fishy at all.
wary shore
In animations defined in the model.cfg of type "translationY", maxValue can be negative and less than minValue ??
Because this way it works
minValue = 0;
maxValue = 0.28;
and thus it doesn't.
minValue = 0;
maxValue = -1;
I mean someone ripping a model can attach any kind of free license to the model but that does not make it legit.
Animations usually play forward from 0
Or from 1 to 0
Depends a bit from source type
What animation are you making?
wary shore
So to take a negative value would it be like this? @stuck oyster
minValue = 1;
maxValue = 0.72;
Logic says no
wary shore
What animation are you making?
@stuck oyster Some translation for a bank vault
Logic says no
@stuck oyster So?
stuck oyster
I don't understand what you want
wary shore
I just want an object to take negative values on the Y axis, taking into account that 0 is the initial position. @stuck oyster
As I said, this is working
minValue = 0;
maxValue = 0.28;
but its another animation, taking positive values on Y
stuck oyster
I don't understand so don't think I can help you there. I use only the "translation" type animation with memory point defined direction axis.
wary shore
@stuck oyster Sorry, I don't usually speak English. Maybe a video is better.
rough idol
@wary shore minValue = -1;maxValue = 0; ?
wary shore
Yep, I've made it work. But now I have a problem, the doors rotate their position but without animation, only the rotation changes, as you see in the video https://gyazo.com/e9137477dd4bca8fcf2f4ad3d97bf489
rough idol
you are most likely missing animPeriod parameter in AnimationSources
wary shore
It is set to 1 @rough idol
stuck oyster
no im not here.
wary shore
@rough idol https://pastebin.com/N88B2zMS model.cfg https://pastebin.com/zmaCMZcs config.cpp
rough idol
@wary shore your source doesn't match animationsource entry
It is most likely also reported in Rpt file
turbid cove
Star Wars?
wind crow
yes
quick terrace
you won't get help here for anything IP breaching related
bold flare
@wind crow read #ip_rights_violations now.
quick terrace
not sure why that's hard to grasp
turbid cove
I am going to be 100% honest with you: Star Wars mods are actually illegal and are banned from here. So please remove your posts, pics and questions.
wind crow
@bold flare this is done so that people have fewer mods in the preset. I didn't assign any to myself
bold flare
Its a illegal reupload
I don't see why wanting fewer mods justifies a literal copyright law violation
There is no reason to repack mods. Use dependencies if you need
turbid cove
Star Wars = illegal use of Disney's IP (and they are very strict about that)
therefore, illegal, banned here, DMCA'd on Steam
-no- Star Wars. Period.
bold flare
Thanks for taking it down. I've taken the liberty to delete all your illegal content related questions in this discord.
turbid cove
no problem for not knowing (even though this topic is brought up quite often)
problem would have been to keep going ๐
Thank you for your understanding, really
wary shore
@rough idol Model.cfg https://pastebin.com/9T8yWyW0 CfgVehicles in config https://pastebin.com/PTCcuak7
Still not working
rough idol
@wary shore class name should match one from model.cfg and source should be "door"
latent lily
I'm modelling an M60 patton in Blender and I've got a question. I think I have the scale set close enough that by eye it should be correct, but in case it isn't, will I be able to rescale my project once it's done or is it the kind of thing you have to get perfect from the start, else be forced to completely redo? I've only gotten as far as the barrel and a couple road wheels, so if I need to change something now, it's not terrible.
quick terrace
yeah you will be able to scale things up/down, ideally proportionally
ideally you firstly block everything out
and by blocking i mean making a very rough boxy geometry
up to scale, that you would further detail into proper meshes
@latent lily
woeful viper
its more painless to get proportions and scale right from the get go though. Better spend an extra minute to make sure, getting blueprints and so on, than to try to reshuffle a lot of objects later
wary shore
@wary shore class name should match one from model.cfg and source should be "door"
@rough idol what should i change?
latent lily
@quick terrace @woeful viper got it thank you! I'm also not sure if when I'm making this thing if I need to "group" things as I go or if I can do all the "groups" (like turret, l track, r track etc) after I'm done.
quick terrace
model the parts like the real thing is assembled
high stag
what memorypoint is used to aim down the sights for turrets/
high stag
@rough idol can you help me with this?
stuck oyster
have you checked the Arma 3 Sample tank for example?
it has full set of memorypoints that are refered to in its config for different purposes
high stag
good idea
rough idol
@wary shore class AnimationSources
mossy violet
Just to confirm, static props (ammo boxes, buildings, bunkers, etc...) don't need skeletons and model.cfg skeletons if they have zero animations, right?
silver zenith
don't think so
made some plain collisionless props and they didn't need any of that
maybe if you do doors it does
mossy violet
I haven't been adding them and everything seems to still work correctly. Just making sure all I need at the LODs and I'm good to go for my props.
Yeah, I think doors and stuff need skeletons for animations.
silver zenith
is it ok to modify A2 models?
marsh canyon
Of course as long as your project stucks to Arma series AFAIK
polar bone
I have a question regarding different textures sets for a model. If I wanted, for example, to make a car with two textures set to choose in 3den - one set mint new, and second old and full of dents, would it be possible to also assign different bump maps to them? So the dents/damage on second texture set has some depth to it?
pallid cape
This seems to be more of a config/texturing question but yeah, you can assign materials that go along with camo variants. You can read more about texture sources here:
https://community.bistudio.com/wiki/Arma_3_Vehicle_Customization
polar bone
Thanks!
vapid nexus
Hello, Been trying to Make a GL sight to rotate on my model but i can't seem to get it to work, looked at the Test model said it should be named OP and OP_Axis in memory, class name in model cfg is OP_ROT and follows the test config but it just dosn't want to work, any suggestions ?
works in bulldozer atleast with the animation, but not ingame
vapid nexus
https://pastebin.com/kUHWWgTV Both the model.cfg and config.cfg
woeful viper
sourceAddress="loop";
use "clamp" instead
source="zeroing2";
use "zeroing.1" instead
check the section about muzzles in https://community.bistudio.com/wiki/Model_Config#Animation_sources
the actual problem is that the sample models are not 100% correct or uptodate
vapid nexus
yea that got it working Thanks ๐
rich vale
@stuck oyster Thank you, the model work now. It was the paremeter called BoundingSphere in the animation set
latent lily
@trim obsidian requests like this go under #creators_recruiting
trim obsidian
Thank you
vestal kindle
Building and AI question.
i made couple of buildings now and never saw that. On my 4/5 last buildings, the AI spots the OPFOR through the buildings and shoot.
I check the view geo lod but everything look "good", I didn't change my process for the view geo creation, I tried to look the config.cpp but nothing point that direction.
any ideas ?
north sundial
anyone seen any tutorials on creating variation on tiling textures in arma? or is it even possible? i guess would could use a multimaterial to do some dirt or wear but im not sure if theres a proper way to do so
woeful viper
dt map, mc map
brazen prism
is there any up to date or post blender 2.8 videos that can help with the process from blender to arma 3 , or is it the same?
steel vector
the process should be the same, although I'm not sure about the Arma Toolbox
white jay
hiya, got a problem which appears to be not that uncommon, but so far I haven't found a solution posted anywhere.
https://imgur.com/a/ggqJlLG
when viewed through glass, some surfaces aren't displayed correctly. I've seen this problem mainly in modded holosights and the vanilla mrco had the same problem sometime before the marksmen dlc, does anyone know a fix to this?
I've replaced my rvmats with vanilla ones from the orange dlc van to make sure the problem isn't rooted there, but nothing has changed. I'm using blender + fhq toolbox if that matters.
quick terrace
pretty sure that car mesh isn't made by you....
fluid hound
How can we get the MLOD versions of some of the ODOLs that come with the game?
For example, i want to turn some of the static boats (map objects) you can find on Tanoa into actually usable boats (real drivable vehicles).
To do that, i need to make copy of that static object's p3d, and add all the neccessary stuff like proxies, memory points, etc.
Are these MLODs available somewhere?
fluid hound
I can't what? I don't have permissions for what?
Reusing vanilla assets in the same game and releasing them with compliance ot the rules set by BI?
Wouldn't that make most mods illegal if it were true?
Would you please point me to the source of that information.
I know its not the same, but for example, we are allowed to port content from previous games into Arma 3.
So if that is not a problem, i can't imagine how using the same model in a slightly different way in the same game would be a problem.
white jay
@quick terrace that car mesh is totally made by me, I've sat since february to get it to this point. Can show you all the backups from middle steps and screenshots from rough outlines to the model as it stands today if that makes you help me with my problem.
quick terrace
@white jay please do, i'll point you towards what the issues might be with the transparent textures and how you could solve it if that stands true
white jay
pm?
quick terrace
@fluid hound BI doesn't provide MLODs for A3 content, only for end of life products (A2 and A1)
you can contact BI directly, see if they want to release under specific agreement such files directly to you
but i won't hold my breath
fluid hound
you can contact BI directly, see if they want to release under specific agreement such files directly to you
@quick terrace thanks, any suggestions as to where to ask?
quick terrace
i have tried the same about some years ago, trying to get some interiors done for some of the modelles lacking such interiors, and i was told politely that nope nope
@white jay yes
@fluid hound https://www.bohemia.net/company/contacts
i won't provide you with direct emails for specific developers, but you can try getting into contact that way
stuck oyster
Might as well add that no legit mod out there has used A3 models in their work. Retexturing for example is done through configs and the model in A3 data is referred to but not edited or packed with the mod.
quick terrace
@fluid hound to be honest, redoing such boats yourself and getting these driavable might actually be faster
than wait for BI to provide you with an answer much less the mlods
fluid hound
@fluid hound to be honest, redoing such boats yourself and getting these driavable might actually be faster
@quick terrace Yeah, i am afraid you are right, but unfortunately, that is still too time consuming, and considering i would be recreating something that already exists... thats just plain crazy.
This takes away the last drop of enthusiasm i had left, so that solves it too in its own way ๐ฆ
vestal kindle
any ideas about my "AI who spot behind building" problem ?
I don't know where to look :/
quick terrace
can you develop on that problem, or link here where you posted about it in this channel?
vestal kindle
Yup
"i made couple of buildings now and never saw that. On my 4/5 last buildings, the AI spots the OPFOR through the buildings and shoot.
I check the view geo lod but everything look "good", I didn't change my process for the view geo creation, I tried to look the config.cpp but nothing point that direction.
any ideas ?"
posted yesterday evening (for me)
stuck oyster
Define good? View geom components need to be solid, convex and each habe a componentXXX name
bold flare
releasing them with compliance ot the rules set by BI?
Ripping apart and editing is not with compliance @fluid hound
stuck oyster
Also the size of the building may affect the AI calculations
vestal kindle
@stuck oyster it's convex and I have the componentXXX names for each piece
On the 5 buildings who's got the bug, 4 of them are really small
quick terrace
and the 5th?
stuck oyster
If you remove the view geom and make just big box for it how does that behave?
vestal kindle
it's bigger but not big big, not bigger than other big arma building ๐คท
Some of my previous buildings are bigger than this one
I didn't test that, will give a try and see
mossy violet
I've made a 1 man drop pod (script works, model works, etc...). However, it falls on its side, but want it to fall bottom first. Does anyone have any suggestions on what I could adjust or add in Object builder to achieve this? I've tried adding more mass to the lower half of the model but this didn't work.
vestal kindle
@stuck oyster same problem with a simple big box :/
quick terrace
so the AI can see through the building, or inside the building?
vestal kindle
through the building
quick terrace
you do have a geo lod, besides the view lod?
vestal kindle
and from what I saw, the passthrough doors and sometimes walls too
but I have collision with geo lod
yes
quick terrace
can you box em both just for testing purposes
1 big box for geo (componentXXX) and 1 big box for view?
vestal kindle
alright, going to test
vestal kindle
alright
quick terrace
it is very unlikely the issue to be anything but model related
vestal kindle
yeah this is what I think too, it's not controlled into the configs ๐ค
ok so it didn't worked
so I took my view geo meshes and re do a "component convex hull" it didn't changed anything visually but now it's working ๐คท arma logic ^^
stuck oyster
@mossy violet what simulation type is it? Also since Arma does not understand soft ground you may need to create some trickery on touchdown to keep it straight.
mossy violet
The simulation type the class it's based on? (My script has it hit the floor and stop all momentum and set itself up straight). Right now I'm adjusting the centre of mass to see if that helps.
oh wait you mean the simulation = ""; ? I think it's a plane but I could test helicopter and see if that works
stuck oyster
mainly interested if its one of the physics types
if its bottom is flat and it has enough low center of mass it should stay down
but also only if its on flat surface to begin with
if its on a slope its likely to topple over
mossy violet
I'll have a play around with the plane and chopper sims and the mass and get back to you.
vapid nexus
Hi, Been trying to make my GL sight instead of getting angled slowly it just flips up , and when i switch back to the other muzzel it flips back down, been trying it with OP_Rot and using that but it still starts at an low angle and slow goes up with switching ranges, and then when i switch back it stays at the same postions it was at last instead of going straight back down. Terrible sorry if this is the wrong section for this. - The model.cfg and Config for the rifle https://pastebin.com/4K9y2WsM
stuck oyster
I dont think it has smooth animations. the animation state goes by the increments instantneous
it staying in same position seems logical as you are afterall switching to another muzzle that has its own animations
so as far as I can tell it sounds like its working as intended
vapid nexus
so there is noway to make go back down after i switch muzzle, something like how RHS does with it's models where the sight of the m203 just flips up when they switch to it and flips down when you go back to rifle mode again
or are they doing something more extreme with their stuff ๐
stuck oyster
there is probably a way to do it then
just need to use right animation sources in right places
vast plinth
Hi guys, do you know of any good "from blender to arma3" guides with the current blender version?
Ive made a simple model and cant figure how to texture it and move it ingame with the A3 toolbox addon
Would prefer if there was someone here who would spend a few minutes to explain some basics
mossy violet
Yeah, it didn't really matter how I distributed the mass, didn't make it fall the way I wanted. Making it a tank or car sim makes it fall the way I want but when it hits the ground it just goes straight through it, haha (going to play around with making a turret config. Might work.
stuck oyster
@vast plinth the 2.79 methods are the same, the UI just has changed a little bit.
high stag
anyone know how to properly set up aim down sights on a turret?
stuck oyster
@high stag dont throw same question on many channels.
and to answer it, you put in correct memorypoints that correspond to your config
high stag
didnt mean too
stuck oyster
you can always delete messages that go to wrong places. Pro discord tip.
high stag
yea just figured
high stag
on another note, anyone happen to know why my memoryPointsLeftWaterEffect and the right adjacent isnt working for my boat?
civic stratus
do you have the config lines in your config.cpp?
high stag
yes
just seems like its always glitching through my hull
no matter where i move the memory points its all in the same position
stuck oyster
that likely indicates its defaulting the location to the center 0,0,0 coordinates of the model.
keen prism
Annoying him will definitely not help getting your question answered but probably do the opposite, I'd stop tagging if it's not urgent.
dusky grotto
Any one knows how to turn on the Console on oxigen2? When i run a script its not showing me a consol
quick terrace
a what?
dusky grotto
a console, like a power shell
fluid hound
How exactly does one create the antiwater for boats?
...i have a plane made of tris, all of them have "a3\boat_f\data\antiwater_ca.paa" texture assigned (btw. texture, not rvmat - some ppl keep talking about "anti-water rvmat", but i cant find any such rvmat - so which is it?), but in game it shows as black opaque plane.
I checked the sample boat, i see no difference between the plane there and mine, and even if i copy&paste the one from the sample, i still get a black opaque plane in game.
fluid hound
How exactly does one create the antiwater for boats?
@fluid hound Aha, seems like it requires the faces to be flipped - weird that nobody ever mentions this and even the official sample is wrong.
Is that true, or is my model somehow borked?
hexed fulcrum
hello, i want to create some models for new uniforms.. my question is if i need to make the skinning process (binding polygons to the skeleton) for each model i create? or there is a quick way
stuck oyster
No quick way.
median bough
LOL, he said quick in an arma related question ๐
stuck oyster
It becomes faster and easier the more characters you rig. But there is not really any shortcut to that.
dusky grotto
so no one knows how to show some printed output on the console of o2?
stuck oyster
I would say people very rarely do their own O2 scripts as it is far more easier to model in more advanced modeling software.
O2 script comes with a manual I think so that's probably the best resource available.
stuck oyster
What are you trying to do?
dusky grotto
im trying to delete all propertys of the res lods and add lodnoshadow 1 to all but not the lowest res lod
than del shadowvolume and some more stuff
every res lod have lodnoshadow 1
lowest lodnoshadow 0
del shadowlods
recalculate normals
thats what i wanna have done with my script^^
but i need to see the consol to do some prints
stuck oyster
Console itself can be opened from the same "window" menu as the other dialogs
dusky grotto
yes but it seems like theres a difrent console becouse its not wrighting in there. And when i have a syntax error its opening a proper console. But only than^^
stuck oyster
Then no idea. There's maybe handful of people who have made stuff with O2 script
foggy finch
@dusky grotto there is a script debugger - which i think is what you want.
automation > scripts > manage scripts.
in that dialog you select your script and press script options.
it might pop up a box with an ok button - ignore this for now.
another dialog will also appear, hit unlock console and then debug and you get the script debugger.
you can hit ok on that other dialog then.
will look something like this: https://i.imgur.com/C9DJgSL.png
dusky grotto
ahh thank you ๐ ๐
thick goblet
Hello not sure if this belongs in models or animations im currently trying to make a top break revolver i got everything setup and showing correctly in objectbuilder https://i.imgur.com/Uqjlruv.gifv
but when i put it in game the axis shifts? or just goes rly weird heres a gif of it ingame https://i.imgur.com/BeuQ39G.gifv
vapid nexus
do you have Autocenter = 0 on the memory lod on property ?
thick goblet
not on the memory lod
ill try that
tried adding autocenter = 0 and nothing changed
frozen umbra
Any downside of using sbsource = visualex for generating shadows, instead of shadowvolumes ? Shadows seems to look more natural (as it should) , because shadows are never razor sharp.
fluid hound
Anybody knows how to make the antiwater plane for a ship?
Turns out fliping the faces didn't fix anything, it just fooled me into thinking it did.
woeful viper
@frozen umbra yes, you get super ugly banding effect
frozen umbra
You mean these stripy visual artifacts? Pretty sure most vanilla houses have it, and seen it when sbsource=Shadowvolume on large objects too
woeful viper
yes all vanilla stuff with visualex have this
shadowvolume - you can have this, but only if you dont pay attention/ just copypaste geolod for shadow
happens when shadow lod is too close to surface of visual surface -> it partially thinks it is shaded
thin forum
Hi, how many squares is the man in Object Builder?
thin forum
I don't know what size is human in the face of the model
stuck oyster
there samples that you can use
bold flare
Arma man is about 1,80m
stuck oyster
in the Steam Arma 3 Samples
glad ore
Im trying to make a model but I only got this far before I started to really feel the fatigue. https://i.imgur.com/cwJeR8T.png The thought of having to texture all of this even if I complete it is really draining me.
fluid hound
I have a weird problem - part of a boat engine turns invisible when it goes under the water.
Depending on where you look from, the part under the water is invisible (when viewing from above water), or the part above water is invisible (when viewing from below the water surface).
This is just a proof of concept, so i borrowed the engine from the Sample boat - maybe it is somehow broken, but regardless, i need to know what is going on.
...screenshot follows:
umm... i can't post screenshot here?
jesus
civic stratus
is there a seelction for water culling that could be doing it?
fluid hound
i tried to make an "anti-water" selection (which doesn't work, dunno why - asked about it yesterday), but that selection is not where this happens.
civic stratus
have you tried applying the antiwater_ca.paa texture from a3\boat_f\data?
not that it would solve the problem you asked about before
You include a mesh plane over the bottom of the boat and assign a3\boat_f\data\antiwater_ca.paa which is a transparent texture that culls the water that would otherwise be visible in the bottom of the boat hull. -da12thMonkey
fluid hound
yes i tried, but the antiwater plane shows in game black, opaque, and doesn't hide the water.
civic stratus
which rvmat did you assign to it?
fluid hound
i made a topic about it: https://forums.bohemia.net/forums/topic/229395-what-is-wrong-with-my-antiwater-for-my-ship/
...where i even linked the P3D with the anti-water plane.
no rvmat, just the paa texture
civic stratus
did you sort alpha?
fluid hound
i couldn't find any documentation about it, the only mentions of it i found talk about the PAA texture (or even TGA).
sort alpha? i dont think so, i dont even know what you mean
civic stratus
the only thing reason for assigning TGA textures in the mode is for the texture to be visible in ObjectBuilder when you have the view textures toggled/enabled
As for the alpha sorting I mentioned: Select the mesh/selection with the antiwater paa/tga and then click Faces in the toolbar and choose "Move top"
I don't actually know what "sort" or "sort alpha" does, I imagine its some sort of automation. I've never used it
are you linking the texture to the one in a3\boat_f\data or some other location?
I also stumbled across this for the first issue you mentoned
hiddenunderwaterselections[] = {};
hiddenunderwaterselectionstextures[] = {};
shownunderwaterselections[] = {};
no idea how to use it but who knows
fluid hound
well, now the antiwater doesn't show as a black plane anymroe, it is not visible, but it doesn't hide the water.
i am linking a3\boat_f\data\antiwater_ca.paa
civic stratus
it won't be visible, because its transparent
you pakced the pbo texted it already? damn I wish I worked that fast
fluid hound
yeah, its a small pbo, so it takes just a few seconds
civic stratus
I don't have any other suggestions for you unfortunately
sorry It didnt work out
the addon I've been packing several times a day is 424mb so it takes a bit lol
fluid hound
oh, i just noticed the antiwater faces do not have "Enable shadows" checked, so maybe i should do that... brb
civic stratus
you shoiuld compare your named properties
rough idol
@fluid hound if its black, it most likely means packer couldn't find that texture
civic stratus
thoroughly
rough idol
do you have that texture on your p drive?
civic stratus
I think he mentioned that it isn't showing black anymore, but its still not doing the trick
fluid hound
yep, i am using the standard P dirve, setup in the standard way, all neccessary data extracted usign the standard tools setup batchfile or whatever
civic stratus
what happened to the industry standard pink for missing textures
fluid hound
and yeah, after doing the Faces -> Move Top in O2 it doesn't show as black anymore, it just doesn't hide the water
rough idol
pic?
fluid hound
just a sec
civic stratus
protip: anytime you add a transparent texture to your model, you gotta sort your alphas
well, atleast when you experience problems
rough idol
@civic stratus it's not missing texture per se - during binarization all faces receives special flag which tells engine whether this is transparent surface or not. If texture cannot get loaded, it assumes its non transparent
when you try to load it in game, it will show that texture but just without alpha - usually black is used RGB channel since it hides edge quite nice
civic stratus
That's a pretty good explanation actually
fluid hound
i dont know if you can see it - open the original big picture - the water is still in the boat, its just hard to see:
https://imgur.com/FiksPkG
civic stratus
can you screencap the antimater selection as selected in the model in ObjectBuilder? DirectX and textures off preferably
fluid hound
civic stratus
it might be because you're using a proxy for the main boat model
thats a binarized model right?
the abaonded_blue whatever
also, the faces are oriented the right way right?
like when you have faces showing, the top is red color right?
fluid hound
yes, it is the vanilla static boat that is scattered all over Tanoa map.
Since i cannot edit it to make it into a proper boat, i tried to insert it as a proxy.
civic stratus
is the antimater mesh here the floor of the boat or is it up higher?
fluid hound
the faces are oriented upwards - i do not know if it is the right way (no documentation i could find), but in the BI Sample boat model it is the same way
civic stratus
as long as they face up that should be fine
also on a sider note, are sharp edges necessary for geometry lods or just shadow lods?
its just shadows rirght?
fluid hound
i made a screenshot showing where the antiwater plane is: https://imgur.com/a/VtkyutR
i believe the sharp edges are required for the shadow lods, i used them on the anti-water plane simply because the Sample boat had them sharp too.
civic stratus
yeah thats a helpful shot right there for sure. @rough idol whats your verdict with this?
fluid hound
oh and yes, the model is binarized.
civic stratus
do me a favor. In game, in the 3d editor
place a boat on the water and move the height up and down
see if there's any change or antiwater effect at all
gyazo has a cool little gif creator tool you can use to demonstrate little snippets like that
but I fear this issue is because of the boat model being a proxy, and any textures "overlaying" it won't have any effect
you can always make a really simple test boat model and verify
fluid hound
yeah, good idea, i'll try embedding the model directly, not as a proxy, mmt
i dont know what gyazo is, so i made a YT video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aM8g_3KCB-U
civic stratus
gyazo is just a 3rd party snippet tool that you can make an acc for and save your snippets online
you can also make short .gifs
I recently stopped using it, the windows one does the job enough for me
but the youtube vid's good enough, if not better than a short gif
fluid hound
You are right - after removing the proxy and importing the mesh directly and saving as part of the same P3D, it works, the water is now hidden.
Crap. That is bad news, because apparently i cannot do this.
civic stratus
big sad
fluid hound
Wish i'd knew that before i spent 2 full days working on that boat.
rough idol
couldn't you do some simple mesh inside?
It's all about alpha sorting, so if you will have proxy, and inside of that proxy some mesh, it still should work
fluid hound
Oh? right, that makes sense... i will try that!
fluid hound
I made a simple mesh that fits inside the proxy so it remains hidden from player's eyes,
made sure the faces are facing inward,
assigned the same texture and material that is used by the actual boat model (just to make sure any problems are not caused by chosen texture/material),
did Faces -> Sort, then Faces -> Sort Alpha, then Faces -> Move Top' for the antiwater plane,
but it doesn't hide the water drawn over the proxy.
Is there something i missed?
civic stratus
I believe move top should be enough
I think the issue is being caused by the proxy being there, period. I think you should test with a custom made, very simple boat model. No proxy.
fluid hound
i know that is what you told me, but since now it still wasn't working, i tried all those thigns just to be sure - you know, because maybe its magic
When i tested with the proxy mesh imported right into the p3d, being saved as part of the p3d, like it would normally be, then it worked.
But good point - i should try without the proxy, just to see if my special inside-boat-shape mesh works (ie. whether the antiwater hides the water drwn on top of this shape).
civic stratus
yes
maybe in arma4 we can use shaders with a shader graph built in the new ObjectBuilder
instead of these cheap work arounds
fluid hound
and maybe tomorrow i wake up in a bed made of gold and full of money - one can dream, right ;-D
civic stratus
that would be uncomfortable
but yeah when I mentioned making a boat model, I mean the simplest bucket shape you can make
ez 5 min job
fluid hound
well i did make a very simple shape :)
the reason it took me so long wasnt because of the shape, but because it didn't work, so i started trying to find ways to make it work before i went ask again ๐
Looks like this: https://imgur.com/swbCBhW
...and the water is not hidden ๐ฆ
the reason why its not working now, must be because i forgot something, because now there is no proxy boat to mess with anything.
But what did i do wrong... 
I even converted the boat shape to tris, to make sure the quads wouldn't cause problems.
One strange thing i noticed - my simple boat shape is shows in game semi-transparent.
But why would that be? there is no semi-transparency on the material/texture assigned ot those faces.
vast plinth
Hi guys
Ive made a model of a sign and a texture.
Now i want it ingame, but i need a cfg.cpp
Do you know of any templates for a simple addon like this?
I can only find for weapons and vehicles
fluid hound
One strange thing i noticed - my simple boat shape is shows in game semi-transparent.
But why would that be? there is no semi-transparency on the material/texture assigned ot those faces.
@fluid hound actually, the whole vehicle is semi-transparent, its very subtle but i can see through it.
What the hell?
rough idol
@fluid hound try this https://community.bistudio.com/wiki/Arma_3_Named_Properties#forcenotalpha
fluid hound
thank you, will try, though i can't help but think about what is it saying "Some models with much alpha textures on their surfaces were considered as alpha objects and therefore..."
that model doesn't have a single alpha texture anywhere, so... strange, but who knows ๐
rough idol
huh, anti water is alpha ๐
fluid hound
ah, right, that one ๐
vast plinth
When i export my model from 02 to a p3d, should i have my texture added in face properties?
Ive got multiple textures for the same model, how is that done?
quick terrace
??
vast plinth
@quick terrace thats for me?
quick terrace
yes, what do you mean by exporting from o2 as p3d
not sure what you trying to achieve
and if you want whatever model to have a texture
you need to assign that texture to the model
obviously
vast plinth
I have a model and texture
I want to get it ingame
I am completely lost at this point so not sure what to do next
What im trying to ask is
I have one model, but i want it to come in 5 different textures.
Do i have to make 5 seperate p3d's through O2 with the 5 different textures applied
Or can i just take the model without texture and apply textures through config.cpp?
stuck oyster
you will need 1 model with the assigned textures and then those parts of the mesh need to have a named selection that can be referred to in configs to alter the texture
vast plinth
Where can i find the guides for this stuff? i seem to only find guides with people making no textured boxes or more complex stuff like vehicles and weapons
stuck oyster
I dunno. There are not many guides and even less very indepth ones. BI forums is the largest resource of answered questions.
you could check out El Tyranos Blender to Arma series
mossy violet
Wonder if someone could help me with some trouble shooting suggestions. I made a bunker but for some reason the model Geography LOD doesn't work (I can walk straight through the object). I've made static props and buildings before and I've never had this issue. My GeomPhy works (as cars are stopped by it) but even if I swap the geom with the actual visual model I still walk through it. (I have also set mass on the object). Below is a picture of the object to show no faces are inverted and show I have set mass.
https://imgur.com/HP3QtjP
https://imgur.com/aX1qTUB
rough idol
That doesn't look convex
mossy violet
yeah that might be it.
wraith socket
hello all, I was wondering if anyone could help me, my model is coming out like this when I rev it up in bulldozer https://i.imgur.com/QwFztEe.png
I believe ive tracked the issue down to the RVMAT file as it doesn't have such errors without it
and if anyone can see any blatant errors with this that are causing it to render in such a strange way, id be very thankful if they could be pointed out to me
I also apologise for the abomination that is a flannel shirt backpack with metal and wood panels it was a quick model I made to use for learning :P
stuck oyster
you likely have some of the used textures made in wrong way
what those are I cant say off the top of my head
wraith socket
gotcha, I found the issue and its a little different
stuck oyster
take the defualt super shader rvmat from a3\data_f\
wraith socket
if I use absolute adressing, saying what drive its on
it inexplicetly gets it right
stuck oyster
and replace your texture = lines with neutral ones on its stages
wraith socket
but when i do it right, and referecne them without saying which harddrive they're on
stuck oyster
then it sounds like your tools/P drive set up is wrong
wraith socket
definitely could be possible I set it up years ago
stuck oyster
PMC wiki has guides for that
white jay
anyone have a good program for unis