well once i get it somewhat decent and functional ill start trying other methods, i appreciate your help, i understand a bit more now
#arma3_model
jaunty tundra
calm solar
Looking for a dev that would be interested in some modeling work. Need some custom buildings made for a life server. I know its dead and whatever but its more for fun than anything else. hmu. and if this is the wrong channel then my bad
bold flare
if this is the wrong channel then my bad
Yes it is, and yes it is. #creators_recruiting if you move to there, then make sure to delete here
rustic epoch
Out of interest, what is the exact size limit for one-piece objects in arma?
stuck oyster
safe one is x/y 50m x 50m, height can be more but it will be more demanding on all kinds of engnine operations
larger objects can work but its a lot dependant on terrain setup
stuck oyster
I recall about everything
rustic epoch
Haha
stuck oyster
how I understood it,its about what sized cunks it cuts the terrain into
but als AI walking on roadway has limits
something like 70 meter radius or something like that
rustic epoch
Very helpful info,thanks again
stuck oyster
always worth testing
things usually can be combined from many pieces though @rustic epoch
rustic epoch
Yeah. We are reworking the chernobyl Zone assets as we speak and how arman puzzled this is our exact Problem π
Guess GSC did it that way or something as its original assets
From Stalker series
stuck oyster
usually game assets are cut into smaller pieces yeah
rustic epoch
The Main building of the power plant consists of 16 parts without geo lod being huge,thin as paper. Was a funny weekend to put that together
stuck oyster
its not really very difficult to make such if you just know what you need
figuring that out is the hard part
dark flint
are "memory points" in object builder just vertices in a 3d Programm?
jaunty tundra
seems like it
bold flare
yes
jade rock
got a model loading from mission, but after I step ~5m from it, its dissapears, any ideas ?
jade rock
managed to get that sorted, now just gotta fix being able to walk through it,.
jade rock
its for a vanilla server
stuck oyster
it stops being vanilla if you inject new objects into it π
no matter if its addon or mission
in any case same model requirements apply to any p3d to make it work properly.
and you cant block AI paths
because AI ignores everything when its on a path
misty urchin
Sure, read the notes in this wiki page: https://community.bistudio.com/wiki/createSimpleObject
stuck oyster
pretty high end considering cars are about that much
quick terrace
sort of, yes
woeful viper
if its the model im thinking of, there was already a lot on the grip to optimize. Make some screens and i'm sure we can help you mark areas to improve
clever forum
hello how to make fonctionnaly spikes in physique i have 3d model good but don't damaage whell
stuck oyster
Spike shape will not cause damage on its own.
twin urchin
imho A3 Apex 416 is 25k if i remember right in the pilot view aka 1st person , while the 1.0 lod is 12.5k
so yeah , it is usually better to have it nicelly optimized and baked well
deep coral
I would keep it around 10k. You can usually bake a solid 30k on it.
I know when I made the scar for the first time it was at 25 and then I completely started over and had less than 10
twin urchin
@deep coral can you show? π
quick terrace
my MK17(the RHS one) is 18.2 verts, including the magazine
deep coral
@quick terrace when I get home
quick terrace
@deep coral ???
twin urchin
he meant me probably π
misty urchin
RHS = RobertHammer's Stuff.
Duh!
quick terrace
@misty urchin π¨ π¨
deep coral
Whatβs RHS?
white jay
18.2 verts, damn thats what i call low poly
stuck oyster
pffff π have you played 90s games at all?
twin urchin
those were the days when a model was just a flat texture π
slate epoch
you mean sprite? π
twin urchin
yes of course just like on good old doom π
modest beacon
Guys, does view geometry lod have any funcions besides a.i. function?
stuck oyster
some engine scene calculation/view occlusion stuff
stuck oyster
It is required for the object to show correctly. If you for some reason don't make the lods, it will just default to some prior lod and it may cause worse performance
You will not gain anything by leaving them out. The engine will still look for them.
stuck oyster
That may cause visibility issues in some cases
woeful viper
using 7 or 9 sides for a cylinder is never a good idea, when you have to do LODs later...
use something you can divide by 2
white jay
Oh
woeful viper
kitbash3d offers a free building package https://kitbash3d.com/collections/worlds/products/cyberpunk-mini-kit until 30.september
https://cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/2316/3287/products/CyberPunk_MiniKit_04_2100x.jpg?v=1562606064
there's also a contest, but its for in motion render stuff, but deadline is 16sept, so good luck getting anything done till that π
woeful viper
note - they are not optimized for games
white jay
Time for someone to make a csat heartland map π
white jay
i just found out that half of the verts are just from some bolts on the gun
so without any optimization except for those im already at 13k
formal vapor
What would you all say is a good polygon count for a high quality backpack? I'm redoing my M5 medic bag and it needs a shelf life of a decade
charred bolt
3 to 7k in LOD1 depending on complexity of the object @formal vapor
woeful viper
well if it needs shelf life of 10 years, make it 30k, and use third LOD as first LOD ingame for arma π€·
tired forum
Anyone here looking for work?looking for a model dev to build us some buildings and such
stuck oyster
Nope. #creators_recruiting would be the appropriate channel, @tired forum. Also do include the basic info of the nature of the work and who you are.
tired forum
Sorry
twin urchin
future proof is keeping it high and then make a LP that suits the game π
woeful viper
can i modify walking speed on surfaces? I have some fairly steep stairs, walking up is way too fast
stuck oyster
I think yeah if you give it a appropriate surface type and change cfgSurfaces properties for it
novel pagoda
modest beacon
Guys, can we make stars visible in night vision?
stuck oyster
no
modest beacon
damn! They are visible, just for some reason light is weakened
instead of amplified
jaunty tundra
can someone explain how hit points work? im looking at a popup target model in blender and i see the hit point called target that is only around the actual target portion that you shoot at and not the base. when i shoot it in game it is correct, it shows that the point i hit is called "target" only when i hit the target area shown by the hit points, but when i shoot the base i get nothing printed which is correct. how do people know where to have the hit points? i see it kind of being the outline of the target area in blender, but how does arma know where the "target" area is? and how do i make them? heres an image of what i mean.
https://gyazo.com/56e74087af1ecb5002e698a133ac91af
https://gyazo.com/dc38f883f3bc58e21aa4242fdd2a0959
quiet terrace
@jaunty tundra
basically it improves the penetration handling recieved from your model.
Brief overview, around each of your verts picture a sphere with defined radius.
These verts commonly placed where your weak spots are and the sphere around it is the area of the weak spot. Lets assume a Tank Armour Plate is the target. The projectile comes in and hits the plate. Depending on the thickness of the plate the projectile penetrates or not. The amount of force that penetrated through the plate now hits the spheric area of your HitPoint and activates it. depending on HitPoint's config it then calculates the value of damage what the plate recieved.
it's far more complex than that but in short it's like this
stuck oyster
pfffff
woeful viper
yeah, i know... it didnt work in forum's since ever, why would it work in discord
slate epoch
stuck oyster
thanks @slate epoch that is good pin to remember.
slate epoch
stuck oyster
perfect. Splendid
woeful viper
π© π
woeful viper
well shit... maxSpeedcoef in cfgSurfaces does not affect walking speed. I dont see other speedrelated options in the base class. Any other options to reduce walking speed on stairs/slopes?
outer condor
probably not really. maybe via scripting hack but from what i recall wasnt working well
white jay
So I'm wondering if there's a way to make a water spray effect in maybe a similar way as lights "light_pos" "light_dir" using memory points and some sort of trigger?
atomic path
Has anyone experienced shadow issues when changing Rvmat?
The rvmat is changed via hiddenSelectionsMaterial
Without it, the shadow works properly
polar fiber
do you have any retexture sections (camo1 etc) in the shadow lod that shouldn't be there?
atomic path
hmmm, that's a good question
stuck oyster
@white jay sure, just needs scripting and properly named points in the object.
white jay
@stuck oyster is there any link to a reference I could look up on this? Scripting really isn't my department, and the scripters I've ran through so far have not had experience with this
From what I've gathered so far, it's been a matter of a particleeffect
stuck oyster
Not really more than what's written about particle effects on the wiki. It would be combination of things, depending on what's the specific use case.
runic flare
I need some light sources on wires to finish my terrain, but i don't know how to create and config them
runic flare
A2 com tower -> config:
class MarkerLights { class RedBlinking { name = "cerveny pozicni"; color[] = {0.64,0.064,0.064,1}; ambient[] = {0.1, 0.01, 0.01, 1}; brightness = 0.01; blinking = true; }; };
cerveny pozicni is Memory LOD
woeful viper
damn, grenades bounce off roadway lod too
rough idol
@woeful viper because roadway is baked to physx on map objects
woeful viper
hm good to know, so in case of stairs its actually possible to not put them in physx lod, because it would be double physx components when roadway is added
rough idol
yeah, but it's not working if you place object via editor
baam, that's sort of weird bug that programmer wasn't able to solve last year before moving to another project
woeful viper
uh... i placed it in editor, and grenade bounced off roadway lod
unbinarized model though
i know it was roadway because i had no geometry whatsoever in that stair case, just roadway (the rest of the building had geo though)
rough idol
or maybe it was vice versa? π€
late root
Anyone know where i can find the base arma naked man model? Not the one in the tools we get, but the one in the a3 directory.
late root
Found it.
P:\a3\characters_f\Common\basicbody.p3d
near scaffold
Does anyone have any experience or a guide for making red lights/green lights in a plane interior for jumping and stuff? Trying to see if I can add jump lights to my CSAT cargo plane.
stuck oyster
no guides for lights
the tiny sub is probably best example configs wise
If I recall right it had red interior light
woeful viper
tank interiors have several lights now (only visible in interior view) but idk if you can control them dynamically
rough idol
you can
but they are omni lights and cannot be hidden
you animate them though and move them 1e10 from plane
woeful viper
hopefully without affecting bounding box or model center π
bright echo
i did it with the ifa3 planes and didnt notice any weirdness
its memory lod so shouldnt mess with either of those
runic flare
when i use MarkerLights in editor and play the game, they work fine. but after importing them in terrain builder, they are off in game. any solution?
stuck oyster
Figure out the offset and apply to TB positions.
runic flare
i tried PortableHelipadLight_01_F and it didn't worked too, maybe there is additional config
stuck oyster
no there is no config
just Eden editor and Terrain Builder calculate the size and center of the objects differently
broken abyss
Hey all!
I'm having a problem with suspensions on a wheeled vehicle: I was testing it on various uneven terrains and realized that the suspension is working in the opposite direction. Lemme explain. When a wheel rolls onto a rock the geometry lod seems to follow the curvature but the visual just goes into the rock while the back wheels, which are supposed to stick to the ground more or less, go up.
Has anyone encountered a similar problem?
woeful viper
model.cfg issue
broken abyss
Managed to fix it, the 'offset0' and 'offset1' values in the dampers were inverted in the sample files for some reason.
bright echo
what's the deal with internal fire geometry for like 'hull' etc? I'm having an issue where it seems that the crews firegeometry is being ignored as it hits these internal components and goes out the otherside of them, ignoring the crew within
is this caused by the 'edge' of the component being too close to the crew or is the crew being inside the component to begin with the issue
stuck oyster
do you have the proxies in the firegeomery?
bright echo
yes
stuck oyster
does the geometries form a pocket for the crew or is it one big solid block?
bright echo
hmmm i believe its a solid block
hard to really get a screenshot of it though
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/423013172769849348/622606963725041664/unknown.png i moved the components out for clarity
stuck oyster
yeah you probably need it to be hollow
woeful viper
i would use those big volumes to script crew damage
otherwise you have to pinpoint hit the crew -> no other damage will be caused
charred bolt
@broken abyss That issue often happens when a new damper axis has been defined. The order that the two points are created in the Memory LOD can reverse the direction. You can fix it either by inverting the offset0 and offset1 values as you did, or swap the axis points around.
bright echo
so instead of having it be a cube i'd build i a box of components or something?
charred bolt
Yes @bright echo, something like this: https://imgur.com/hIfaSms I removed one of the doors to show you the hollow interior.
bright echo
yeah - but the a3 tanks are setup this way π€
when I was testing this issue with the diag exe I can see a big block surrounding the crew with the rvmat vehicle_interior.rvmat
they look like just a solid volume
like there's an armour plate outside that, which is a solid volume, inside that is the interior.rvmat volume, and inside that is the crew proxirs
stuck oyster
aa the interior volume probably has some blocking power too as it represents the internal equipment a shot might hit and deflect from
bright echo
right but the issue I'm noticing is these interior volumes dont block shots, the shots pass through, and ignores everything inside of it. naturally this isnt an issue in the A3 tanks but is in the IF ones π
stuck oyster
possibly you could set up any hit on that interior box to damage the crew
like X3KJ suggested earlier
are you sure your shots hit the crew?
bright echo
yeah
stuck oyster
so what happens if you remove it?
also is your crew set to be damageable
and visible
bright echo
some vehicles their firegeo isn't visible in diag.exe but i chalk this up to someone wrong with the proxies or animations and will look into that too. but with vehicles where I can see the crews firegeo I see the shot go through, through them, and out the otherside
or those yes
stuck oyster
as in hideProxyInCombat might mess that up
bright echo
I haven't tried removing it yet
but I tried one tank that doesnt have this big volume take up the entire space
and I shot through the hull, hit the crews firegeo and he naturally died
and diag reported it hit meatandbone.rvmat or whatever, passed through and hit the otherside as expected
lemme quickly load it up again and ill take another screenshot
naturally the esults make a liar out of me to some degree, doesnt even hit the internal armour in this instance
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/423013172769849348/622633404776841226/unknown.png heres the tank, firegeo of the crew seem a bit off a couple are missing and the one im shooting at's head is outside but I can fix that
heres the shot, just passes through like he isnt htere:
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/423013172769849348/622634034425495562/unknown.png
here's a better example
1 hits outter hull, 2 hits the internal component, ignores the crew inside of it, hits the otherside of the outerhull, exits
I know the perspective makes it seem like it missed but I assure you if I look down the actual path it does pass through the crew firegeo
primal phoenix
hey guys im in process of making my map and ive hit a speedbump. I know 0 about modeling but I need to make a tarmac/decal object. Basically something like this only with a different texture https://gyazo.com/ba68e56040233a1696ee61516590cbb9 anyone able to help me out and tell me how to do this? ive downloaded blender.
outer condor
@primal phoenix duplicate a flat surface model (from A2/A3) and assign your texture, rename p3d, add basic config, pack properly with p drive (path)
primal phoenix
ty ill check that out
broken abyss
@charred bolt kk thanks, I didn'r think of that
weary citrus
Hi gents,
I've started with making models and am having the problem, that I'm kind of able to see "shadows" in game through my model.
Is this a common problem? Do you happen to know how to fix it?
eternal bloom
which shader do you use ?
bold flare
got anything transparent on your model?
I think there is a geo lod prop to disable alpha?
weary citrus
the super one, copied from default_super.rvmat
I have a face for a camo selection that uses the a3\data_f\default_alpha.rvmat (similar to the Sponsor Sign shield)
bold flare
I think if you have one face with alpha, the whole model gets alpha calculations, which is why its slightly seethrough, for whatever reason..
weary citrus
that seems to be the case.
removing this from that face's texture property#(argb,8,8,3)color(0,0,0,0,ca) removes the alpha problem
I think I've fixed it with setting forcenotalpha on the geo lod
woeful viper
yeah thats the one you need to apply in that case
weary citrus
boi π that was some time consuming debugging
thanks for getting me on the right path @bold flare
woeful viper
been there done that
weary citrus
and @woeful viper for confirming it π
bold flare
that was some time consuming debugging
You asking here -> getting an answer -> 2 minutes later it's fixed.
Not thaat time consuming, just need to know where to ask and hope the right people are online π
polar fiber
are you using the correct _co texture suffix for your wooden parts?
_ca will tell it to be alpha
but as said above, if the model contains a significant area with any additional alpha texture, the whole model will be treated as alpha. That's when you can slap forceNotAlpha 1 property in the geo LOD
weary citrus
Thank you for the explanation. Yeah, I've used the correct suffix.
dark flint
Does arma support Multiple Texture sets?
Multiple 2x2K textures per mesh in a single object?
polar fiber
Yes, but it's better to use as few textures as possible
woeful viper
what do you mean? 4k for left eyeball, 4k for right eyeball, 4k for hair, 4k for belt buckle... minimum.... (skyrim mod logic)
stuck oyster
Sounds logical.
frozen umbra
Where can I find more info on Geometric occluders , in addition to this one biki page? Does proxy occluders even work?
stuck oyster
probably they do not
why would you need proxy occluders?
proxy use shoudl be very minimal
and occluder use shoukld be minimal too
frozen umbra
Some say they do, some say they don't. Plus there is lack of info.
stuck oyster
do you have the proxy in the geometry lod?
thats the only way it can work if it works
but as said. Proxy use can get performance costly fast
frozen umbra
but as said. Proxy use can get performance costly fast
I'm aware of that. Thats why I'm looking for optimization solutions.
stuck oyster
proxies have 2 uses basically. They are for specific engine functions, and at some point before A3 proxies were only way to go above the 32k vertex limit the p3d had
frozen umbra
do you have the proxy in the geometry lod?
Yeah. 4-10 proxies , per model.
woeful viper
do you have some more info HG? In theory having proxies (furniture) inside a house with no windows and proxy occluders inside the rooms should be "free of cost" unless you enter it
frozen umbra
There is also another feature for occluding interior proxy objects, that is called proxy-occluder.
are we talking about the same thing here? geometry occluders is for buildings
woeful viper
i just wonder why BI didnt do this, if it was possible according to the theory
stuck oyster
probably not
I may have understood you wanted your proxies to work as occluders
which made no sense
but other than whats written on the wiki page I dont think theres any info
woeful viper
anything else is down to the usual "see for yourself and give up when you realize its too late to reverse your decision"
frozen umbra
I'm sure someone tested this before, just need to know if it even works , before I go and bang my head on it.
late root
Getting some weird smoothing.
Onner thigh is smooth, outer is faceted.
Tried doing Surfaces > Smooth edge
And the model aready had smoothing on import
Ingame: https://gyazo.com/8ea3c11c6b5dd143415f14483087c72a
3ds: https://gyazo.com/7c6badf68c30c03754791a4ca6e58a66
Any ideas on what could be causing this?
woeful viper
wait, that shadow is in max too?
you could send me the .3ds or fbx and i'll have a look
i dont have your max version
late root
X3XJ helped me fixed, normals were either A. Being trashed on import or B. 3ds Max bug which doesnt do the normals correctly
runic flare
why ai refuses to go arma 2 podesta1 stairs up?
I see Paths and RoadWay LODs in object builder
stuck oyster
terrain or editor placed?
runic flare
Both
stuck oyster
does the path connect to ground level?
runic flare
@stuck oyster 1,2,3, Geometry are lower than Paths
should i change paths?
Also AI goes through podesta1 walls
1: https://prnt.sc/p7a2hl
Geometry: https://prnt.sc/p7a2p9
frozen umbra
try creating fan like entry points, make sure you named them properly too In1,in2 , out1 out2
ai dont care about geo btw, the moment it finds paths its just like trolley on rails
runic flare
ok
woeful viper
you could take the "fan" from example house
white jay
hey, after my friend sent me some models that look great with normal, bump, and other maps. After I edit the model by deleting some geometry, it loses a LOT of detail, and the shadows don't look at good. What am I doing wrong?
By detail I dont mean geometry, I mean zippers lost their 'depth'
late root
@white jay Show us an example?
stuck oyster
sounds like youve broken texture/material connections
late root
If you edited the actual GEO you likely destroyed the UV
stuck oyster
and that too
white jay
well the texture applies just fine
stuck oyster
do you also apply the normalmap
white jay
in the RVmat?
stuck oyster
and also what progrmas views are you comparing?
late root
Also what did it look good in before hand? Can you show us some before and afters within A3?
stuck oyster
pics needed yeah
late root
^
stuck oyster
well it would seem you dont have rvmat applied
late root
Looks like the rvmat isnt being applied for your normal/smdi
stuck oyster
these are taken from what view?
white jay
virtual arsenal
in game
okay well my RVMAT is an another pbo
is that the issue?
does it have to be in the same pbo
if I load both PBOs
the SPECULAR map is working
the reflectiveness
but not the bump
late root
As far as im aware rvmats should be in the same pbo as the model (thats how I was taught). Is your smdi labeled as Texture_SMDI?
white jay
I added two images
I'll try it all with the RVMAT and other files inside the same folder
but its never been a problem before
with diffuse maps
stuck oyster
why are they in different pbos?
are the from some other model?
and its quite possible your paths are not right
are you packing with pboProject
white jay
I'm using addonbreaker
stuck oyster
well
good luck
Β―_(γ)_/Β―
I mean Im pretty sure weve suggested to you too to use proper tools and development methods
if you want to not do that then this is what you get
white jay
you think it's an issue with the complier?
stuck oyster
its probably issue with your data and setup
but addon builder does not care
it packs whatever you give it
if its poop its poop
white jay
hahaha
stuck oyster
and if its 100% right then it works
but I know like 2-3 people who can get away with using addonBreaker without issues
its just the truth
it only works if everything you feed to it is correctly made
and if you have to ask whats wrong then yours is not
and the list of what can be wrong is very long at that point
but you know, up to you what tools you use
addon breaker use just cant be helped much here because it does not give any debug info
and no one has the time to go through all your files and workflow to check where you pooped on your shoes
white jay
everything I've made work so far hahaha
stuck oyster
well if you think that then good luck.
theres working builds and "working" builds
Id wager a lot of your stuff wont go through pboProject
but I dont know anyone who will spend time helping with addon builder
white jay
why do you wager that?
white jay
hmm
stuck oyster
Ive had this conversation many times
guy comes in all I AM THE MAKER OF STUFF
and doesnt really make it working way
so statistically your stuff has errors you dont know about
white jay
so you have no idea why the specular map was added but not the bump map?
late root
Just use pboproject. I wouldnt be able to function without it. Many things I thought was 100% perfect turned out to have a small error here and there which would cause massive issues
stuck oyster
if you stop being stubborn and try pboProject out you might have better chance
white jay
I did try pbo project
stuck oyster
and?
white jay
I didnt like it
stuck oyster
because it does not let you pack stuff with errors?
white jay
the problem here is that the bump map isn't being applied. not that the complier isnt working proerly
yet Im using an rvmat that works on the same model
when I compile the other model it works fine
when I compile the edited model it does not
stuck oyster
Best advice I can give you is use pboProject and fix the errors it gives you
late root
^
stuck oyster
if you dont want to do that, then good luck. It will be difficult road ahead of you,
white jay
okay I get it, you want me to use pboProject
I heard ya
but Im telling you it's not the complier
you're telling me that pbo project will tell me whats wrong?
white jay
are there any common things you have to do after editing a model in oxygen?
to make them work properly
like recalcualting normals
stuck oyster
save it
white jay
or otherwise
stuck oyster
not really
late root
what did you even edit?
white jay
removed some pouches
the specular is rendering fine
it's the bump map that isnt
and its the same path as the specular
so that's not the error
late root
PboProject, comfirm its not a build issue, or a rvmat issue that has something wonky. Once confirmed come back and ask again
white jay
its not rvmat because the rvmat is working on the non edited model
it's not a build issue because when I build the other model it works fine
late root
You got your answer from both of us
stuck oyster
well apparently you dont have any issues then
stuck oyster
you just said its not rvmat and its not build issue
white jay
could it be anything else?
stuck oyster
if youre so sure all your stuff is 100% right then theres nothing left
white jay
other than the rvmat or build?
maybe how to rvmat was applied?
because its only the bump that isnt working
does editing the model itself remove some properties?
late root
PboProject, comfirm its not a build issue, or a rvmat issue that has something wonky. Once confirmed come back and ask again```new info!
I complied it without binarizing using addonbreaker
so it was the binarizzing that broke it
late root
you mean....its addonbreaker that broke it
white jay
hahah yes
late root
use pboproject
white jay
you guys were right
stuck oyster
binarizing is essential for addons btw
white jay
whys that
stuck oyster
also some properties get baked into the model on binarize so that it works properly
white jay
what things get baked into it?
bold flare
starts counting the hundreds of things that get binarized into a model
stuck oyster
if thing is done right it works.
white jay
@bold flare maybe some examles?
bold flare
shadowvolume, alpha face flags, autocenter, bounding box calculation, bounding sphere, ...
white jay
and if they arent baked, what happens?
bold flare
they get baked at game start
Then your mods users will have to decide if your mod is worth a minute or so slower game startup
And your mod will also be bigger, so more to download.
white jay
gotcha, thanks
obsidian quartz
Greetings,
I've run into an issue with magazine proxies. I have two different mags and seperated them into different p3ds and created their model.cfg. I did link a3s magazine proxy on the weapon model. I do not get any error messages ingame nor while packing (using pboProject). Yet ingame the magazine models are not visible. The wiki says:
"There is no magazine model visible if magazine doesn't have modelSpecial defined [...]"
yet under cfgMagazines I have:
modelSpecial = "\FA_Weapons\data\magazines\22LR_30Rnd_Mag.p3d";
modelSpecialIsProxy = 1;
Any ideas? Do I have to link the magazineSlotProxy under "WeaponSlotsInfo" as with optic/silencer proxies or something?
obsidian quartz
Alright found the issue, I added the proxy as "MAGAZINESLOT.000" and changing it to "MAGAZINESLOT.001" solved it
wraith wing
anybody here know how i can turn a 3d model into a heightmap?
stuck oyster
you can bake displacement out of it but it might not be very accurate
frozen umbra
how big flags & cloth like models that use physx can be ? is there a size cap of some sort or it requires deeper config? when, simply increasing the vanilla flag size do work , it seems crash the game after few sec when model in sight.
stuck oyster
No idea. Not many flag editers around I guess.
@formal vapor did you guys get you big flags to work?
also @frozen umbra how big are you talking about?
frozen umbra
x2 x3 from the original size we all familiar with
stuck oyster
you using the A2 flag?
stuck oyster
it works as 1x for you though?
frozen umbra
yep
its small tho, I want to make it bigger and use it as cloth canvas covering something or hanging on a structure wall
stuck oyster
I dont think you can cover stuff with it
and hanging on a wall might be best to be done with static mesh too
woeful viper
using weight painting you can also make some organic but repeating "flapping" animation
frozen umbra
Thanks @obtuse rain
Although you also drop the proxies out of higher LOD's.
Yeah this is done. Only the first lod have proxies inside.
The way you test it is by putting your object into a .wrp (or using file patching to replace an existing .p3d baked into a .wrp), preferably with the walls deleted.
Geometric occluders only work on .wrp baked buildings though, if you createVehicle it in neither normal nor proxy occluders will actually occlude.
As long the model is a terrain object, no need to rebake , rebin it all . After I edit the model and add any occluder , direct model swap should work right?
https://i.imgur.com/DLvG1Wf.png - add box to view geo lod, call it proxyoccluder_01, check if proxies disappear faster...
hm, "weight painting " @woeful viper ?
obtuse rain
Yeah, model swap did work last time I used it.
woeful viper
weight painting/ vertex weighting -> like a character
frozen umbra
@obtuse rain I was thinking proxies disappears at much closer distances , if its 100m we talking about, I'll check without the structure walls, because you cant really see the difference. Its possible LOD2,LOD3 switching is the one who "hides" the proxies π
obtuse rain
The Dude: Yeah, I think when I did the testing I either had the proxy in all LOD's or deleted everything except for one LOD.
frozen umbra
Roger.Does box need additional config , like normals directions or anything?
obtuse rain
No, 6-sided and closed should be fine.
Though there are some drainpipe shaped occluders from misclicks of someone at BI. π
frozen umbra
like the one that makes the whole terrain cell disappear as bad model occluders?
guys at #arma3_terrain were talking about some rocks with trapezoid "box" bi used
obtuse rain
Luckily the drainpipe is actually inside of a drainpipe so it's probably still gone unnoticed.
Oh yeah, you can actually see it in the last image on https://twitter.com/foxhoundint/status/708239398706368512
frozen umbra
hehe, probably more around. too bad there is no list for these , if we can't fix it at least we can exclude them from future use
obtuse rain
I did an automatic analysis of all of the A3 .p3d's at one point, if they use excluders they generally use between 2-3 and rarely 4-5 (from memory).
I don't think I've ever seen BIS use a proxy occluder.
They can put them in buildings quite sparingly because in a big city with lots of buildings (where occluders are most useful), if the building right in front of you doesn't completely occlude, the ones behind it probably will.
One of Cype's really dense middle eastern maps did quite well with them IIRC, because the towns were all divided up with the maze like mud walls. Once occlusion was added it was generally only drawing the little area you were in.
Until you got onto a high roof, anyhow. π
frozen umbra
Yeah, I've noticed Geo occluders are not something to go crazy with... BI's page recommend using as less as possible (6 was the max, if I remember correct) . As far as proxy occluder, IF it works, see no reason to not just add it to EVERY building that uses any proxy...
I don't think I've ever seen BIS use a proxy occluder.
thats what kinda strange, if you have it and you don't use your own feature...there is probably a reason for it ) not as effective as it should maybe, or decided just to use lod switching... dunno, all guesses
scraping for frames
livonia too π
idle spade
Anyone know if there have been some models made of ww2 LST (landing ship tank)
Trying to help with a project to replicate placement of all the ships prepared ready for d-day
Off solent - Isle of Wight
median bough
@idle spade
Ask kju what they have in their ww2 mods
woeful viper
"it won the war" by that criterion you'd never finish making a mod. "ahh yes blast furnaces and iron mines, gotta have those too"
livid kelp
is there a way to make the buldozer/Model Viewer night time to test lights ?
stuck oyster
I dont think lights would work in it
since OB buldozer does not read config
and the time set tool is broken if I recall right
in game is the only way to test lights properly
rough idol
Time set thing is working according to @polar fiber
polar fiber
Setting to night works, but it doesn't show light sources (reflectors and marker lights)
Just the various things you would use illuminated .rvmats for
late root
So..cool shit it happening.
https://gyazo.com/0c77da041d78129be14e24635de24f04
Shadow is closed
Shadow is Weighted
Shadow is Sharp Edges
Shadow is Triangulated
Shadow has no textures or rvmats applied
Shadow looks and animated fine in OB with a test anim.
Any ideas?
bold flare
Holi macaroni
what shadow lods do you have in OB? in total?
any shadowvolume1000 or smth like that
late root
Sooo something else is happening
Moved it to lod1 to see what it looked like and uh - cough - https://gyazo.com/4fac45a2516c8bc38e4b69a2d6c2b50b
misty urchin
Beautiful! Is that the new spiderman design?
late root
Its my new blood pressure raising medicine lol
formal vapor
How did you weigh it?
twin urchin
thats a new Control enemy π
late root
@stuck oyster was able to help me fix it.
The model was weighted in 3ds max, but before weights were applied the multires modified was used. Goat thinks this may have corrupted the index table of model.
thanks to everyone who helped π
woeful viper
multires modifier for poly reduction? Idk about newest max versions, but proOptimizer modifier is a bit better in dinosaur versions.
late root
@woeful viper multires preserves UV, im using 2015 at home currently.
ProOptimizer likes to murder UV's last i tried
woeful viper
there are different settings you can tick on/off - "Keep textures" preserves UV's
the more you enable, the less play-room the optimizing algorithm has (obviously)
though ive never done an extremely thourough comparison. Also no idea how stuff like simplygon fares against this. Would be cool to see a comparison for the tools available to date
formal vapor
What does this cannot generate ST coordinates do? Does it break something besides the UV?
white jay
"Arma needs to be able to convert from any point on your UV map to a unique point on your 3D faces and vice versa. If all your UV points for a particular face are on the exact same point, or all 3-4 points fall on a straight line, then it's ambiguous which 3D coordinates correspond to the UV point."
formal vapor
besides the obvious UV issue is there any other concerns? Is there a performance hit or something?
pallid cape
I export my model to fbx but only 1 of the UVMap sets are visible in substance painter. Has anyone else had this problem?
proper raptor
I have a request for anyone who knows how to model and optionally knows how to make an elevator go up and down and fold when up
primal phoenix
Is this a good tutorial to follow and learn modeling ? https://youtu.be/VPs5BqTplTM
stuck oyster
@formal vapor all rpt lines cause tiny drops.
quiet citrus
@pallid cape substance painter can only read one UV map at a time
subtle bison
question time: is there a quick way to mass replace (texture) paths in multiple p3d files?
white jay
MoveObject.exe
subtle bison
but isn't that moving objects (as the name suggests)
i don't want to move anything. just replace paths.
white jay
MoveObject will rename file paths inside any
MoveObject MyOldP3d MyGreatAddon\somewhere\data MyNewAddon\Henry\Marbles\wherever\you\want
you can do alot stuff with moveobject
stuck oyster
Notepad++ replace in files works too
white jay
oh nice! inside p3d different lenghts? @stuck oyster
subtle bison
my experience is that replacing the path with different length doesnt work
white jay
i always used moveobject for such stuff and it worked
stuck oyster
I only work with original unbinarized p3d and works there without any issues
dunno what you guys are doing
the path length stuff applies to binarized p3d afaik
which goes on the naughty zone
white jay
thats new to me
subtle bison
i'm using a2 sample models
white jay
but it works on unbinarized was it always like this?
... last time i modded was 10y ago maby im to old
dry sleet
hi,I'm completely new at creating mod,just wondering if there's anyway that I can screenshot a photo,and make it look like a intel so I can use them in editor?
stuck oyster
well yes, sure that could be made. If you dont have any idea how, then it might need quite a lot of learning
so what is it exactly you want it to look like?
primal phoenix
can someone tell me if that tutorial video I posted is good to follow? I know nothing about modeling and don't want to follow a tutorial that ill find out at the end , was wrong and wont work for arma
stuck oyster
from a glance it looked fine.
anything is ok if it gets you trying out the tools
but there are no fool proof this is the only way to do stuff tutorials either
you have to be brave and just explore the program and find out about different techniques
outer condor
@subtle bison moveFolder moves also files
so yes moveObject is the standard use case
quiet citrus
hello, i am trying to get an object in my building to play an ambient sound effect. Anyone know how to do it?
median bough
https://community.bistudio.com/wiki/playSound3D
@quiet citrus
quiet citrus
thanks
median bough
np
stuck oyster
well there are other ways too. you can add sound effect points to the model or add sound effects to animations
dry sleet
@stuck oyster ,Iβm making a HVT mission,I couldnβt find a photo that will relate to it,thatβs why this idea came up,so I need 2 photos of target area and a photo of HVT
stuck oyster
so you want to make an object that has a photo on it as texture or something?
basically you can use any image you want as texture on a custom object
stuck oyster
well you pick a 3D modeling program you want to start using and find basic use tutorials for it
from free ones I would recommend Blender.
dry sleet
Got it!
stuck oyster
or if you dont want to invest too much time into it you could try figuring out it in Armas own Object Builder
but there are not really much tutorials for it
dry sleet
Thereβs an object builder in Arma?
stuck oyster
in the modding toolset
dry sleet
In game?
stuck oyster
no
dry sleet
Armaholic?
stuck oyster
steam Arma Tools...
but as said. its difficult to use and you are pretty much on your own with it
dry sleet
alright,I'll try both
thanks for the info, as a completely noob in modding stuff,it's gonna take a while
stuck oyster
well if youre going to do something properly and want to invest the time to learn then you just use Blender
it is indeed
dry sleet
thank you,I'm all willing to put effort into it π
stuck oyster
for blender you will find quite a bit of basic and advanced tutorials
once you are comfortable with the tools you can start looking into how to put stuff into Arma
dry sleet
is Maya capable of doing object's texture like blender?
stuck oyster
sure
its just perhaps the worst compatible with the common 3D program to Arma pipeline of what I have observed
polar fiber
Itβs entirely compatible save for nobody making an animation rig for it
stuck oyster
Sure, might be just my impression but I feel like people using it have had most trouble with preferred 3D program -> OB pipe
even if its just an fbx in between
polar fiber
Never had any issues with it myself. Just triangulate
The way it handles hard and soft edges is perhaps the most similar to OB
Itβs not smoothing group based like max, and hard edges donβt need additional flagging as such like Blender
stuck oyster
might be just false observation Β―_(γ)_/Β―
balmy umbra
Hi, does anyone know any guide on modding available for me to read? Watch? Is artatesgaming' videos any good?
stuck oyster
well depends a bit what do you know already?
balmy umbra
ermm. lets just say i am fresh. just starting out
coarse orbit
Hey, having an issue with the game rendering face normals, have been seeing issues with smoothing groups on a couple models. Haven't been able to find this out anywhere, but is the game dependent on vertex normals rather than face normals?
stuck oyster
Arma does not use smoothing groups but soft and hard edges. @coarse orbit
Custom vertex normals are possible but often go funky
coarse orbit
That's the issues we're having right now.
Tried importing it as a .fbx as some others suggested, and to no avail.
stuck oyster
Something with custom normals?
coarse orbit
Tried that, didn't fix the issues. So, as I've discovered and you just said, Arma doesn't maintain smoothing groups on import.
coarse orbit
Is there any way around that, or no?
stuck oyster
I assume you're 3dsMax user?
stuck oyster
Maya should be able to export similar stuff as Arma uses as it uses hard, soft edges
Or so I learned yesterday.
coarse orbit
Oh?
stuck oyster
I don't personally use either, so you'll have to wait for someone using them to pitch in how their workflow goes
coarse orbit
Well, I'll start placing bets for when that happens lol
stuck oyster
Sometime today likely. Europeans are at work right now and they're the most active talkers here
coarse orbit
So, working from a baked model is there any particular way that should be done for arma?
stuck oyster
In the meantime you can try BI forums editing section. Someone may have written about it before.
stuck oyster
I'd wager the solution is something simple.
coarse orbit
Most likely.
In the end, it's probably going to require looking at someone else's workflow that is used to Maya to O2 implementation for Arma.
Or maybe I'm just a moron.
I'll put money down on the latter.
polar fiber
To preserve normals in .fbx you MUST triangulate the mesh before exporting. You can also only have one UV set
clever forum
hello i have a problem with my plates
stuck oyster
go-on
clever forum
i cant drop photo
stuck oyster
well looks like you have numbers
whats the problem
also looks like you have made quite a bit of cars there
thats a lot of work to model those
clever forum
the problem is the numbler plate is 4times
i have find
thanks
how to make the background transparent with just the numbers? put it in window mode? with glass textures or glass rvmat ?
stuck oyster
sorry man, but I dont think I can help you with those models.
white jay
what are the most common LOD distances?
stuck oyster
there are no such calculations
white jay
So how the engine knows when to switch to another LOD?
stuck oyster
it calculates the scene complexity with various meters I would assume
distance plays a part on that but not in any set number
outer condor
the internal version has diag LOD colors
stuck oyster
the distance should not really be any concern though
if lods are made according to BI standards
there is also a coef parameter for obejcts that can make them keep the first lod in view for longer
but it will affect performance
outer condor
cfgWorlds
class LODDiagColors
{
defaultColor[] = {1,1,1};
lod0[] = {1,0,0};
lod1[] = {0,1,0};
lod2[] = {0,0,1};
lod3[] = {1,1,0};
lod4[] = {0,1,1};
lod5[] = {1,0,1};
terrainCoef = 0.4;
waterCoef = 0.7;
waterAlpha = 0.5;
};
fringe junco
Hello. Tell me, what would make my car where I can take the skeleton of the car?
quiet citrus
Hello, My building is leaking light from the internal lights. Does anyone know how I can fix this? Thanks.
stuck oyster
@fringe junco in the Arma 3 samples on steam if you mean the model.cfg skeleton.
@quiet citrus turn down the brightness
fringe junco
how to find them?
stuck oyster
Open steam go to library, open tools section, subscribe to Arma 3 samples
idle spade
Can someone help steer me in the right direction - I'm totally new to Object Builder, and have a model ship that is loading fine in game, but it's not visible from far off, is it the LOD's that need to be focused on to ensure it's still visible from far away?
stuck oyster
Do you have an empty resolution lod?
And is it inside your object draw distance?
And how big is it?
quick terrace
if it is a static object it requires a certain geo lod name prop to be seen from way away, similar to lighthouses for instance
stuck oyster
That too
idle spade
I used the example one in Arma3Samples
and then essentially stripped everything out within OB
it's 90ish mtr in length
rough idol
@quiet citrus are you using transparent textures by any chance (or anything with _ca)?
quiet citrus
the windows do but other than that no
rough idol
and just to be sure - you have separate texture for windows and walls?
quiet citrus
yeh they are
rough idol
Try Forcenotalpha named property in geometry lod then
And post piΔ of it in game so we know what kind of light leaking you are talking about
spiral solstice
Is it better to use subdiv or bevels when it comes to weaponry?
quick terrace
for HP bakes? a mix of both i would argue
placid spindle
Hello folks. I'm new to the discord and I'm looking for some advice on making custom weapons (or modifications to them). Is this the right place for that sort of discussion?
misty urchin
If you are talking about modelling the weapons, then yes.
placid spindle
Does that include functionality?
misty urchin
#arma3_animation and #arma3_config may be better depending on what it is.
placid spindle
Is model_makers focused on the 3d models?
misty urchin
Yep.
placid spindle
Ah, then I am surely looking for help elsewhere. Thanks for the help!
spiral solstice
In substance, which smart masks do you use for weapons to make them appear more realistic? Dust and rust materials seem to work well with metallic weapons.
runic flare
why my headgear model is on my balls?!
stuck oyster
either you have not weighted it to the "head" named selection, or you dont have correct model.cfg setup for it, or you dont have autocenter= 0 named property on it
or any combination of these
so basically a user error
compare to the sample p3d
runic flare
autocenter is 0, and named head, maybe made mistake in model.cfg
@stuck oyster Thanks, solved
subtle bison
do hidden selections work with decal objects?
stuck oyster
section defined in model.cfg?
subtle bison
yup
placid bough
Hello guys , a bridge not animated with less than 200 Poly need resLods , shadowVolume , geometry , landcontact , roadWay , Hit-Point , fire-geometry , and Wreck
Nothing else?
subtle bison
what exactly makes an object solid?
is it just Geometry?
or is other stuff required?
i have a box that.. i can walk through, but i don't want to
subtle bison
ok, got it. mass was missing and had to find components
stuck oyster
requirerements:
convex geometry lod parts that are named componentXX and have mass set on them
grand gorge
I've got an object with multiple hiddenselections they all work well but I'd like these selections to use different UVsets, I do have the uv sets in object builder but I don't know how to make a selection use a specific uv set. Is that possible ?
stuck oyster
all texture slot textures always use uvset 0
rvamt special textures can be set to use different uvsets
grand gorge
thanks!
stuck oyster
all textures can share the uvset0
grand gorge
but that won't apply with setObjectTexture right?
stuck oyster
becuase if they are different textures the uv mapping of part1 with texture1 does not affect part2 with texture2
setObjectTexture has nothing to do with uvSets
I think you may be confusing things here
stuck oyster
object can have multiple textures.
each can be unwrapped on the uvSet0
and because only 1 texture can be applied to a part of a mesh they wont affect each other
grand gorge
Yes but when I apply a custom texture to a hidden selection it's applied only to the selection (as it should) but it doesn't fit that selection it's like it's using the whole map to spread (but you can only see the bits that are on the given selection)
stuck oyster
then you probably have done something wrong with the model
or have wrong kind of texture made
grand gorge
I do everything in blender and then export it to p3d
Base textures work fine and are correctly applied
Both on blender and ingame
Maybe I'm missing a step in object builder ?
stuck oyster
perhaps it would help if you post pictures of the problem.
like on imgur and link here
or send to a friend and link here
grand gorge
I will but I'm away from my computer
spiral solstice
@placid bough Might be an interesting challenge to model it
placid bough
Lol make simple for better performance
sudden chasm
What are the rules for AI paths in buildings?
frozen umbra
@sudden chasm all is basically written in biki:
``One building can have more entrance points, but all doors must be connected together with path. Every point where AI could stop, must be defined by named selection with ascending number according to the pathway. All path vertices's must be connected by polygons.
Vertices where the AI can stop must be defined by named selection with ascending number ("posXX" where XX is the number). Those points can be used by scriptcommand <link>buildingpos and in the Mission editor for placing Units. Name selections called "inXX" (where XX is a number) serve as AI access points (doorways, ramps, etc) to the building. These "inXX" points must be above the terrain surface for the AI to be able to see them. The A3 sample house shows how it can be set up, using multiple "entry-fan's" with one raised point to allow access to the building, independant of terrain slope.
AI ignore the Geometry LOD when on a pathway. This means that they can walk through walls if you dont set up your pathway to lead around obstacles. The AI follow connected vertices but it is somewhat imprecise when following a path, so leave enough clearance to walls, corners and so on.
Paths are best to be 10cm above the roadway/walkway/ground surface. Entry points (named selections "in#") are simply entry points onto the path network, and don't necessarily have to be positioned outside the doorways of models. According to user reports, path vertices may be hidden via animation, which stops the AI from using the hidden path points.``
dense hearth
Is there is a good guide from bringing in a custom backpack model to arma? I have looked at the arma 3 samples and there is not a backpack sample in there
outer condor
grand gorge
@dense hearth it's basically the same as making facewear the selections for the skeleton are different obviously
dense hearth
Ok then I will use the face wear as a guide. And @outer condor that link doesnt work for me
woeful viper
dont need it to make backpacks... like mr.h said - their models are setup like any character gear (e.g. vest).
tulip beacon
anyone knows what's STR_EVAL_LINE_LONG error in o2script?
tulip beacon
guess o2script has limit of dialog code. what a bitch
outer condor
@tulip beacon try PMing mikero if still relevant
tulip beacon
@outer condor figured that out empirically, it just won't work like i want it to
woeful viper
@tulip beacon you work(ed) on some new trees, didnt you? I've recently learned (or re-learned) about alpha overdraw - which is what drives up computation cost of textures with alpha. Even the part that doesnt have any visible pixles on the texture plane has to be calculated. Layering multiple alphas ontop of each other costs a lot to compute. So it can be worth spending a few extra polies on texture planes to cut down on empty texture area - esp. for particles and vegetation. Maybe worth trying out for lower LOD on trees to see what difference it makes.
i can only assume this is part of the reason why your fps drop enormously if a particle or muzzleflash is displayed right in your face -> the entire scene has to be calculated for alpha stuff
tulip beacon
Not sure i understand what you mean by "extra polies on texture planes"
stuck oyster
woeful viper
stuck oyster
Athough BI trees dont really seemt to do that much either
woeful viper
not everything BI does is optimal
stuck oyster
quite true too.
but if tree is build in similar fashion and has dips in performance it may be from something else
woeful viper
its not certain that this is an enormous issue - maybe the difference is negligible. But i think it would be worth trying out. Maybe they also have some magic that somehow knows to not do things when alpha is purely transparent ... but that would surprise me. Even unreal 4 doesnt do that for you
tulip beacon
Ah, i see
woeful viper
define modern... i spotted noticeable difference between looking at "just gras" and "anything but gras"
with GF 660 Ti π
and tanoa has quite a bit of additional horsepower you need - it does have more vegetation. Not saying that this is what makes "everything bad" but it might be worth trying out exactly how much difference it makes - if its not much of a hazzle.
slate epoch
Enoch trees should be really optimized in this regard
woeful viper
cool, good to know. What i wonder - why is performance on enoch not as good as on tanoa (at least from what i've seen)? What are the main contributors in models/map?
outer condor
people say the amount of unique objects per "cell"
grand gorge
Hi so here's my problem, I've made this pretty simple screen object
The screen part actually has two plane surfaces, one is the screen itself and the other one is a hidden selection
i can set the hidden selection to a texture like this: no worries
BUT I'd like to be able to ste it to a paa with a transparent alpha (so that the screen background is still visible behind) trouble is the alpha channel appears blacck like so:
bold flare
Your models faces need to have alpha enabled to support it
and if you do, afaik your object will always be slightly transparent
easiest way to do that is to put a texture that has alpha onto it, at binarization time.
The binarizer will check whether the texture on the face has alpha, and enable the alpha flag accordingly
grand gorge
If i apply my texture to the "camo" selaction the alpha works
ok thank's I'll try that right now
and... It works thanks @bold flare you've been a great help as usual
bold flare
Do you now have it be constantly semi-transparent?
not sure if that bug always happens and why
grand gorge
haven't noticed it on that object but it was the case for a previous object I'd made and I'd always wondered why, thought it had something to do with my rvmat. Now I know why
bold flare
would be interesting to know if it happens on your object now too.
But I assume your background is just gonna be the solid screen right? So even if it was you couldn't really see it
grand gorge
I will look more carefully, the layers are all part of the same object, I applied the transparent texture only to the layer's selection, do you think it will also make the camo parts transparent? (my camo texture also had a transparent alpha, I will remoeve that and test again)
stuck oyster
semi transparency can happen if solid and transparent parts are on same texture, or the object has a lot of transparent textures applied to it
so solid parts should always be on a separate _CO texture and transparent parts on separate _CA texture
geometry lod named property forcenotalpha = 1 can also help
grand gorge
yup but I want parts of the object to have alpha and other parts not to, correct me if I'm wrong but if I use this property, none will have alpha will they ?
grand gorge
@bold flare to answer your question: object is transparent indeed: (funny effect though) https://imgur.com/spp9PCW
bold flare
wow π
Yeah its only shadows/AO going through
Can use that as a cheapo xray scanner
misty urchin
It's the fences all over again 
stuck oyster
the forcenotalpha should fix that
grand gorge
@stuck oyster it does indeed fix the issue, thanks very much to you too
tropic jewel
I have been trying to import a vest model into arma using the Arma 3 Sample, however I am unable to get it to sit on the chest, it just wants to sit as if its attached to the feet https://gyazo.com/59831e81b92be5e6c815e50d723f285a https://gyazo.com/8d2219735e23a97d558640fd8d8765f6
woeful viper
you need autocenter=0 as property in geoLOD
you also need proper model.cfg setup that inherits from OFP2 Manskeleton (in case it is not deforming at all with character movement)
sturdy laurel
lately I found a problem with my mod, the geometry works in an anomalous way compared to what it appears on object builder. on the program the lod of the geometry is extended but in game if I pass over the zone of the geometry I fall. here are some screenshots.
ps. vehicles and helicopters have no problems.
woeful viper
- geometry does not allow you to walk on it. Only roadway does. You get "falling" animation when you walk off roadway onto geo LOD
- make sure roadway covers geo LOD everywhere
- move roadway some cm above geoLOD to ensure there is no z-fighting glitching between roadway&geo
- if your ship is too large, geometry lod/roadway can potentiall fail
polar fiber
It's a good 150m long, so yeah doubtful that geo is going to work on most terrains
sturdy laurel
@woeful viper the ship is a little smaller than the liberty
woeful viper
but the liberty is divided into different sections - each section is its own model
for exactly that reason
sturdy laurel
ok thanks now i try
tropic jewel
How would I set autocenter=0 as property in geoLOD?
pallid cape
@tropic jewel In OB, click Window and then 'Named Properties' in top bar
You should then be able to add props through that to various LODs
tropic jewel
Cheers Ill give that a go
astral lantern
Trying to use personality as a named selection in a character model but the texture isnt automatically going on like the "hl" selection. Test character from samples. Any ideas my lovelies?
wintry hare
Anyone know of an easier way to create Memory Points for a model?
For example, I can't see an outline of my model when creating the points, so I have to swap between the two LODs
slate epoch
In OB? You can set any kind of LOD as background
slate epoch
If you right click on LOD in lod selection windows
wintry hare
Hm. I must have something turned off since Right Clicking and selecting Show at Background doesn't seem to do anything.
slate epoch
File->Options->View background LOD and also you can turn on the option right below
slate epoch
Also to make it more visible, I advise setting viewport background color to something like gray
wintry hare
yeah this bright white is pretty rough.
slate epoch
00C0C0C0 is pretty fine
wintry hare
I take it I have to import it as a texture
wintry hare
ah
the Object Builder UI has been throwing me for a loop lately.
Thank you for the help!
stuck oyster
@wintry hare you can copy points from your res lod and use those as mem points
For example copy the ends of cylinder and join each end into single point in the middle
polar fiber
Or use the pin in a res LOD (useful if you want to align mem points to the centre of multiple verts) and then switch to mem LOD to place the points with the Insert key
wintry hare
ah
kind badger
Can anyone tell me what the size restrictions are for making a building?
wintry hare
if I had to guess, if it is smalled than the Object Builder square, it should function. I don't know though since i'm new to arma modding.
stuck oyster
50x50 meters is safe
going above that might work in some occasions
and possibly on some maps as terrains parameters also affect it
rule of thumb is the 50x50 meters X Y
height can be more but it too can break if the model is tilted
wintry hare
anyone have a way to get the center of an object in Object Builder? For example the center of a turret for turret rotation
actually i managed to select all the verticies, and then pressed C to set the pin to the center of those
however I still need to figure out how to put a point there.
Looks like I just press Insert, and then move it as close to the center of the pin as I can.
charred bolt
yes, @wintry hare insert to add the point. You can check either in Buldozer or in game to see if it rotates correctly if you don't have a geometrical way to do it in OB
you can use the measuring tool
stuck oyster
center of a turrets mesh might not be the axis its supposed to turn around
wintry hare
eeh, in this case i'm keeping it simple and just getting it to rotate in the first place
then if i need it to be offset i'll worry about that later
stuck oyster
best to just get it right from the get go
charred bolt
it's vehicle wheels that cause most trouble, as any offset is massively noticeable
wobble wobble
stuck oyster
I would do the memory points in whatever you modeled the thing with though
much simpler usually
wintry hare
Shoot i'll be lucky I get it to rotate at all
woeful viper
wheelwobble is hall mark of life mods...
stuck oyster
if you use max you can make dummy cubes you turn into single points
woeful viper
make triangles
wintry hare
Oh i'm aboard the blender life.
stuck oyster
if you use blender and the Arma toolbox exporter then you can make the memory lod in there fully
wintry hare
See, that's what I thought.
charred bolt
does no one else press a ruler to the screen? #oldschool
wintry hare
I couldn't figure out how to make it export the memory lod
stuck oyster
wintry hare
i couldn't get it to export as a p3d either
stuck oyster
well that is something you might want to fix
charred bolt
you need Alwarrens toolbox to export
stuck oyster
in OB if you have even parts like this wheel here
you can for example copy this into memry lod
select 1 side
merge that into one
and repeat
wintry hare
Neat
stuck oyster
and you have axis
wintry hare
I'll just have to figure out how to merge it when i get around to wheels
Half of the current battle is not only understand how the configs work, but also how the tools I use work.
stuck oyster
well that just takes time and experimenting
wintry hare
no kidding
stuck oyster
and occasionally asking here might help
charred bolt
we've all been there, multiple learning curves all stacked up
wintry hare
I see
wintry hare
Blenders UI is easier to work with yes
though it is also... convoluted
Like I'm pretty sure I have the arma toolbox. I just don't know how to tell it to export a working p3d.
So for now I model it in blender, and then fiddle with OB
charred bolt
This is the one for Blender 2.8 https://github.com/AlwarrenSidh/ArmAToolbox
wintry hare
Looks like I have the 3.0.0 version
charred bolt
After installing, File > Export > Arma 3 p3d
wintry hare
I dunno if I have to have the model formatted in some way, but last time I did that it uh.. threw some error and failed to open in OB
charred bolt
You have to set the Arma properties on the LOD in blender
press N to get the little side bar up
there's an Arma 3 tab
wintry hare
yup
charred bolt
and there you can set the LOD's
wintry hare
oh
charred bolt
on your collection objects
charred bolt
if you don't do that it fails to export as you saw
yeah, you can do the memory lod there too
wintry hare
I'm going to assume I would just copy the whole collection, and then set each collection as whatever LOD
charred bolt
wintry hare
I don't... think it is defining the collections as the selected LOD properly
the LOD window is a darkened color that usually means not selectable. But I don't really know
my poor mind is busy being exploded trying to understand how it all fits together
charred bolt
It's darkened for me too, but I can select it. Click where it says "custom"
wintry hare
I've done so, however the selection stays static regardless of the Collection I select
charred bolt
As a test, create a new project. Add a simple cube. Select the cube. Change the LOD property.
charred bolt
lol, working now?
wintry hare
why does clicking the selection not actually like.. change the selection
its so confusing. If I click the title, it just selects the title but doesn't actually change what is being edited
I have to click the sub object? Or whatever
Scene Collection
Block_Tank
Cube
I have to select cube and not Block_Tank
this particular file is probably fucked anyway since I merged all the mesh's together to create the vertex group components or whatever using the Arma 3 tools
Why? I don't know. I just know the tutorial said so and haven't figured out why
It hasn't seemed to do anything on the OB side of things
I mean I get I'm probably not gonna have it working like the day of, but fuck theres a lot of shit going on for these things.
I also have no idea how to create resolution LOD's, but I guess I'll figure that out later.
stuck oyster
there are all kinds of general game modeling related articles and tutorials out there that can help understanding different concepts
most things quite commone between engines and some things are very Arma specifc
wintry hare
Well LOD wise, the less... crazy tiny model parts, the more performance. I was trying to figure out how to actually define which LOD is what
stuck oyster
you select lod type
and then there should be a box to give that object a resolution number
woeful viper
no
wintry hare
see I can't even trust the wiki
woeful viper
no you just need to read everything
wintry hare
fair
charred bolt
LOD 1 is your most detailed model
LOD 2 is half the poly's of LOD 1
LOD 3 is half the poly's of LOD 2
keep going until you have a LOD with about 2 to 4k polys
wintry hare
I assume LOD 0.000 is technically LOD 1?
woeful viper
4k on last lod? wut
charred bolt
the numbers are not fixed, but it's usual to use 1 as the base for vehicles
charred bolt
it's nothing these days
I've done tests with millions of polys, very interesting results
woeful viper
published?
wintry hare
Hm. I still can't seem to get Blender to export a working p3d
Do I have to have a minimum of specific LOD's defined?
charred bolt
no, just a LOD 1 should work
stuck oyster
BI wiki contains a page that explains the purpose of various lods
wintry hare
So Custom Resolution 1.0
yeah it just tells me Unable to load file. Load error.
I'm testing this on a model that is just a single cube.
charred bolt
Blender 2.80 stable release?
wintry hare
yeah
charred bolt
and you double checked you have the correct toolbox?
wintry hare
Preferences > Addons says I have Arma Toolbox 3.0.0
I guess what are the steps needed to export a cube as a working p3d
charred bolt
have you filled in the O2script path?
charred bolt
drive:\folder\SteamLibrary\SteamApps\common\Arma 3 Tools\ObjectBuilder\O2Script.exe
wintry hare
I'll repoint it
charred bolt
replace drive and folder obviously
wintry hare
alright I've repointed it to O2Script.exe inside Arma 3 Tools
charred bolt
you're definitely not on Blender 2.8 beta?
wintry hare
I used an installer so, I don't think so. The RC version had to be run as an extracted zip if I recall correctly
Bottom Right says 2.80.75
charred bolt
same as mine
wintry hare
So to make it work supposedly, all I have to do is select the Cube inside the collection, select Custom, have the resolution set to 1.00. and then... export as p3d?
wintry hare
ah, the plot thickens
charred bolt
it exports the p3d, but it won't open
wintry hare
yeah thats the part i'm stuck at currently
charred bolt
i thought you meant it wouldn't export at all
wintry hare
ah. no it exports, but not in a way that I can use it