arma3_model

[cloud zealot]

everyone have it

[spark obsidian]

i'm special

[cloud zealot]

did you mounted P drive ?

[spark obsidian]

yep

[cloud zealot]

and you installed Arma 3 Project folder ?

[spark obsidian]

using mikero's tools, yep

[cloud zealot]

hmm, maybe that's the cause, if not i dont know

[sharp coral]

mounting p drive through a3tools is bugged afaik

[stuck oyster]

usually

[spark obsidian]

oh ffs what is this...

it may have something to do with me fat-fingeting path renaming inside blender

i recall setting the same path name for two entries

is there a way to clear this list of paths?

ohhh fuck me.
Look what happened to the shadow lod, unannounced to me:

im gonna explode soon

alright, so these are the last errors i'm having @cloud zealot

this is my setup

the point is where the yellow dot is, and that's the atools setup

nvm, it didn't have a vertex group assigned, but now i'm getting this:

also, perhaps these errors can point to the cause of buldozer not working

[timber cove]

I believe this would be a model question but how would i take my model and put it into virtual studio code?

[cloud zealot]

that's because your axis is made of one vertex

usually we use 2 vertex to define an axis

but if you use one vertex, you must use rotationX or rotationY

[west haven]

hey quick question

how do I get the glowing dots on pistol sights? Is it something that has to be done in-texture, is there a proxy or what

[marsh canyon]

a3\data_f\lights\weapon_sights_green.rvmat it is

[west haven]

oh shit I didn't notice that one

do I just put that into a triangle proxy or make dots or somethin

[marsh canyon]

It is just polygon

[west haven]

oh huh

shit I haven't done those as separate for this

so I just make... two or three little 8-sided polygons, triangulate them and link them to the rvmat without any texture shit needed>?

[spark obsidian]

[marsh canyon]

Don't overthink it. It is just a polygon, with the certain material and procedural texture (#argb)

[marsh canyon]

Install Arma 3 Tools

[spark obsidian]

already done

reinstall?

[west haven]

oh awesome

I didn't make separate ones for the dot on the actual gun itself unfortunately but i doubt it would be too hard to make a separate thing

[marsh canyon]

Again don't overthink it. It is just a polygon

[west haven]

yeah workin on it now

ez

[spark obsidian]

why are mikero tools so messed up to work with...

literally doesn't see my P drive

[marsh canyon]

What literally is not seeing your P

[spark obsidian]

pboProject

it did before

now it's not

[spark obsidian]

ok, so i had to wait a few minutes, before opening pboproject

[granite berry]

I wonder why i get this armatoolbox for blender error when exporting roadway lod when all other lods export just fine

Python: Traceback (most recent call last): File "C:\Users\<redacted>\AppData\Roaming\Blender Foundation\Blender\4.1\scripts\addons\ArmaToolbox\..\ArmaToolbox\MDLexporter.py", line 947, in execute exportMDL(self, filePtr, False, File "C:\Users\<redacted>\AppData\Roaming\Blender Foundation\Blender\4.1\scripts\addons\ArmaToolbox\..\ArmaToolbox\MDLexporter.py", line 716, in exportMDL exportObjectListAsMDL(myself, filePtr, applyModifiers, File "C:\Users\<redacted>\AppData\Roaming\Blender Foundation\Blender\4.1\scripts\addons\ArmaToolbox\..\ArmaToolbox\MDLexporter.py", line 814, in exportObjectListAsMDL exportLodLevelWithModifiers( File "C:\Users\<redacted>\AppData\Roaming\Blender Foundation\Blender\4.1\scripts\addons\ArmaToolbox\..\ArmaToolbox\MDLexporter.py", line 642, in exportLodLevelWithModifiers export_lod(filePtr, obj, wm, idx) File "C:\Users\<redacted>\AppData\Roaming\Blender Foundation\Blender\4.1\scripts\addons\ArmaToolbox\..\ArmaToolbox\MDLexporter.py", line 461, in export_lod ArmaTools.optimize_export_lod(obj) File "C:\Users\<redacted>\AppData\Roaming\Blender Foundation\Blender\4.1\scripts\addons\ArmaToolbox\..\ArmaToolbox\ArmaTools.py", line 763, in optimize_export_lod bpy.ops.object.mode_set(mode='EDIT') File "C:\Program Files\Blender Foundation\Blender 4.1\4.1\scripts\modules\bpy\ops.py", line 109, in __call__ ret = _op_call(self.idname_py(), kw) ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ RuntimeError: Operator bpy.ops.object.mode_set.poll() Context missing active object

[south badge]

What exactly does he mean with selection XX needs a section?

My shadow LODs have vertex groups assigned to these selections.
I tried adding these sections to the model.cfg, since, well, that is the only place I can think of where "sections" are clearly defined.

But I am still getting these error messages, albeit the shadow lods work just fine?

[polar fiber]

You shouldn't have section names or textures/materials applied in your shadow LOD whatsoever. Sections are for texture/material changes, not animation

[south badge]

Well, I do not have any textures or materials applied in my shadow LOD. I only have vertex groups for the necessary components. Hence why I don´t understand what the rpt is trying to tell me is wrong

[pallid island]

https://web.archive.org/web/20110302144047/http://www.armastack.info/index.php/98/how-to-fix-selection-needs-a-section-warnings Warning with a story

[polar fiber]

What I'm saying is, the vertex groups in your shadowLOD shouldn't include things like pasoffset. It should only have the ones needed for your model.cfg animation that are defined as bones - and only if you need that selection to animate and move in the shadow. You don't just copy every vertex group from your visual LODs

[south badge]

Thanks 🙂

[spark obsidian]

What would cause my plane model to be black ingame?

The UVMap is in order.
The material/texture paths are good, both in blender and in ObjectBuilder.
No errors appear in the log.

Also - the textures/materials were working at one point, but then i started using Mikero's PboProject to pack the mod, and that stopped.

[unkempt token]

Need more info, do you have any pics? What does the file path look like in blender and in the output p3d?

[unkempt token]

Can you share the rvmat?

[spark obsidian]

#define _ARMA_

ambient[] = {0.5, 0.5, 0.5, 1};
diffuse[] = {0.5, 0.5, 0.5, 1};
forcedDiffuse[] = {0, 0, 0, 1};
emmisive[] = {0, 0, 0, 1};
specular[] = {1, 1, 1, 1};
specularPower = 50;

PixelShaderID = "Super";
VertexShaderID = "Super";


class Stage1
{
    texture = "lynx\lynx_ra_52\data\body_nohq.paa";
    uvSource = "tex";
};

class Stage4
{
    texture = "lynx\lynx_ra_52\data\body_as.paa";
    uvSource = "tex";
};

class Stage5
{
    texture = "lynx\lynx_ra_52\data\body_smdi.paa";
    uvSource = "tex";
};

[unkempt token]

I'm not sure if it's required or not but in each of the stages there's usually

    {
        aside[]={1,0,0};
        up[]={0,1,0};
        dir[]={0,0,0};
        pos[]={0,0,0};
    };```
And that emissive is visible but is value 0,0,0, maybe try replacing everything above specular[] with
```class StageTI
{
    texture="a3\data_f\default_vehicle_ti_ca.paa";
};
ambient[]={1,1,1,1};
diffuse[]={1,1,1,1};
forcedDiffuse[]={0,0,0,1};
emmisive[]={0,0,0,0};```

Dunno if you need to do #define ARMA either

[spark obsidian]

the weird thing is - the textures/mats worked before with this setup

also mats

[charred bolt]

As I mentioned before, you're missing stages 2,3,6,7 etc.
Look at the reference page for super shader, there's an example rvmat to copy from.

[spark obsidian]

so that's a hard requirement? Because i'm still trying to wrap my head around the fact, that the textures worked before.

[unkempt token]

May as well try it and see.

[spark obsidian]

yep, it worked. Didn't do Stage7 though, since it caused me errors.

[stuck oyster]

do all stages.

look at the p:\a3\data_f\default_super.rvmat

copy all stages from it and replace the ones you want to use your baked texture

[untold sorrel]

hi

where do i report subskeleton index out of range errors?

https://feedback.bistudio.com/T186770

[stuck oyster]

that is a mod issue

youll have to find the mod author and report to them

[untold sorrel]

i am the mod author

well...

im reworking the mod, i have no clue about p3d's

[unkempt token]

What is the source mod you're reworking? You would need the source files

[untold sorrel]

immersion cigs, i have the source files from their github. there's a link in the report

[stuck oyster]

either you have not updated your tools or the files are broken

what causes subskeleton be out of range is not documented error though

so youll have to start piecing together how to work with models

[untold sorrel]

hm... all i did was change the .paa/rvmat paths.

i verified a3tools via steam and it seems there was a file not verifiable.
ill have to change the paths once more anyway. ill see if that will be fixed with updated tools then

[untold sorrel]

i fixed some codeerrors and the skeleton error has gone away... i dont even know anymore

welp

[fresh skiff]

Is anyone able to help run me through setting up Oxygen and such? I'm about to smash my desk from these errors 😓

Specifically, when exporting a p3d from blender 4.1, I get this error;

  File "C:\Users\ItsBeellee\AppData\Roaming\Blender Foundation\Blender\4.1\scripts\addons\ArmaToolbox\..\ArmaToolbox\MDLexporter.py", line 947, in execute
    exportMDL(self, filePtr, False,
  File "C:\Users\ItsBeellee\AppData\Roaming\Blender Foundation\Blender\4.1\scripts\addons\ArmaToolbox\..\ArmaToolbox\MDLexporter.py", line 716, in exportMDL
    exportObjectListAsMDL(myself, filePtr, applyModifiers,
  File "C:\Users\ItsBeellee\AppData\Roaming\Blender Foundation\Blender\4.1\scripts\addons\ArmaToolbox\..\ArmaToolbox\MDLexporter.py", line 741, in exportObjectListAsMDL
    bpy.context.scene.collection.children.link(coll)
RuntimeError: Error: Collection 'tempStuff' already in collection 'Scene Collection'```

Additionally, viewing the model in Buldozer is not working at all

[marsh canyon]

Check Blender, tempStuff collection and delete them

[dusk frost]

Also make sure your model is triangulated

sometimes there’s a rogue ngon hidden somewhere and it makes the exporter mad

[fresh skiff]

No more errors

Still won't open in Oxygen 👎

[west haven]

okay, slight issue

Not entirely sure why the game is crashing when i select them, since the name of the base class seems to line up with the one at the end of the model.cfg

and for some reason it won't binarize

[charred bolt]

The usual advice applies: use a p:\ drive work environment and build with mikero's tools for proper error checking.

[finite stump]

I keep seeing this error when building my mod
Subskeleton index out of range. There seems to be a SubSkeleton index that is greater than the number of sub skeletons, this should not be happening. Please report it with reproduction steps/files.
I have 5 doors defined and they work in Bulldozer. Im confused at what this thing is complaining about.

[charred bolt]

#arma3_config message

[west haven]

awesome

well, something seems to have worked since now it binarizes

fresh horrors have befallen us

[fresh skiff]

OKAY hello all, I'm trying to get Arma 3 Toolbox to work for a weapon and am wondering if someone can double check my settings

Yes it's a stupid little Christmas gun, So how do I create the additional LODs in this interface?

I get where to add proxys, but not points or LODs

Okay so... @charred bolt Sorry if you don't appreciate pings, but just letting you know the error resolved itself(?)
It was essentially when opening a .p3d exported from Blender, a generic 'Load Error' came up (no type code or anything)

[charred bolt]

Good to hear it's now working

[fresh skiff]

I guess for now I'll merge the blender.p3d with the one I exported manually to in Object Builder, so I don't have to remake the proxys and points

[west haven]

Okay, I get the feeling the model.cfg isn't working but makepbo doesn't give me anything to go off of other than "unbinarized p3ds"

[charred bolt]

I'm not a blender user, but have it installed and see this option which might help?

[fresh skiff]

buhh-

I'll try that thank you

[charred bolt]

Did you see the advice to stop using Addon Builder and start using mikero's tools? You won't get much help until you do, as Addon Builder will build any old rubbish and won't give you useful error messages.

[west haven]

I installed Mikero's tools, the makepbo one. I drag the folder onto makepbo because that's what I assume it wants because opening it gives me the "press any key to close" thing, I do that and it immediately tells me the .p3ds are unbinarized, does nothing else and then closes.

[charred bolt]

You need to install all the necessary mikero files manually, or use their "All-in-One Installer" which might be the better option for you. Then you use "pboProject" to build/binarise your mod files. But you will also need to set-up a p:\ drive and extract the a3 data to it.

[west haven]

Okay, I have the p/drive set up every single time i boot up, or do I need to use some Mikero-specific version in order to do this that comes with the installer?

[charred bolt]

No, mounting the p drive on startup from the A3 tools works for me, but others might suggest it can have problems.

[west haven]

Okay, I got the all in one installed

[charred bolt]

Now install the mikero tools using the AiO installer.
Then run ArmA3p to extract the Arma game files to P

[west haven]

okay, it's extracting to p drive now

oh, right

also is this an issue of the model.cfg or are handguns intentionally off-centre and lower

[fresh skiff]

Hey so I can make 1 proxy and change the path, but I can't change the path of the second proxy

Am I missing something?

[pallid island]

have you tried opening its properties?

the trianlge button

[charred bolt]

Put your mod development files into
p:\greyl\zl219\

[fresh skiff]

Cllicking the arrow just opens the top proxy

[west haven]

the unpack is still going and I have none of those folders

[pallid island]

seems to be this? https://forums.bohemia.net/forums/topic/189492-model-offset/

[fresh skiff]

Nevermind i think i misunderstood the toolox in it's entierty

[west haven]

yeah that seems likely, I'll adjust it when it all works

since that's a fairly simple step and the main cronch needs to be fixed

[fresh skiff]

So... the LOD selecter is universal, I can't make different objects a different LOD...

[pallid island]

you can

[charred bolt]

Try this

[fresh skiff]

When I change the LOD while 1 object is selected, when I look at other objects it's changed the LOD for all of them

[pallid island]

1 object or 1 part of a mesh of a single object?

[west haven]

just did, no change. ArmA3P is still working, stuck on the radio stuff

I'm guessing this will take quite a while since it's just in the d pbos

[charred bolt]

Yeah, 5 minutes or more.
The other folders might arrive after arma3p finishes, can't remember.

[west haven]

I did manually make one

matching what your screenshot showed

[fresh skiff]

@pallid island ok fixed it... I'm slow

[charred bolt]

You create the "greyl" folder of course, or call it something else, up to you.

[pallid island]

you have CandyGun active in both your screenshots Either exit the Edit mode by pressing Tab, or select another object while in Edit mode by hovering the cursor over it and pressing Alt+Q (or press the dot in the outliner list red arrow on Screenshot 3)

[west haven]

yeah i created that mf, I'll try that whole thing to see how it all goes with the uhh... pboProject thing, the main issue I saw was like... it straight up said the model.cfg base class didn't exist but I'll see how it goes differently

kinda funny the suppressor was zero issues

[fresh skiff]

Yeah I just realised that after I posted, thank you though

I appreciate the help

[charred bolt]

You'll get proper error checking out of pboProject and it will fail to build if something is wrong, and tell you why.

[fresh skiff]

\side note; for the memory points do I just make singular vertices and give them selection names?

[finite stump]

How do I fix "Section without material is in shape with ST coordinates"?

[west haven]

awesome, I'll see how that goes and stuff. I don't know if trying to add the tritium dots was the thing that also caused issues but we shall c

[pallid island]

may be two vertices for the axis selections. Here's example from the weapon sample

[charred bolt]

Is the message from a particular LOD?

[finite stump]

Doesn't say unless the number before that means something

[charred bolt]

If you're not sure, post the full error message line from pboProject's binlog

[charred bolt]

Although I suspect it will be due to a proxy, such as a muzzle flash, which has a section[] selection name (eg zasleh), but the proxy has no material assigned to it.

[fresh skiff]

So uuhh.. fresh new export errors

  File "C:\Users\ItsBeellee\AppData\Roaming\Blender Foundation\Blender\4.1\scripts\addons\ArmaToolbox\..\ArmaToolbox\MDLexporter.py", line 947, in execute
    exportMDL(self, filePtr, False,
  File "C:\Users\ItsBeellee\AppData\Roaming\Blender Foundation\Blender\4.1\scripts\addons\ArmaToolbox\..\ArmaToolbox\MDLexporter.py", line 716, in exportMDL
    exportObjectListAsMDL(myself, filePtr, applyModifiers,
  File "C:\Users\ItsBeellee\AppData\Roaming\Blender Foundation\Blender\4.1\scripts\addons\ArmaToolbox\..\ArmaToolbox\MDLexporter.py", line 814, in exportObjectListAsMDL
    exportLodLevelWithModifiers(
  File "C:\Users\ItsBeellee\AppData\Roaming\Blender Foundation\Blender\4.1\scripts\addons\ArmaToolbox\..\ArmaToolbox\MDLexporter.py", line 680, in exportLodLevelWithModifiers
    export_lod(filePtr, tmpObj, wm, idx)
  File "C:\Users\ItsBeellee\AppData\Roaming\Blender Foundation\Blender\4.1\scripts\addons\ArmaToolbox\..\ArmaToolbox\MDLexporter.py", line 523, in export_lod
    writeMass(filePtr, obj, mesh)
  File "C:\Users\ItsBeellee\AppData\Roaming\Blender Foundation\Blender\4.1\scripts\addons\ArmaToolbox\..\ArmaToolbox\MDLexporter.py", line 396, in writeMass
    weight_layer = bm.verts.layers.float['FHQWeights']
                   ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
KeyError: 'BMLayerCollection[key]: key "FHQWeights" not found'```

[finite stump]

2:50:16: Warning: little_cheesers\little_cheesers_store_2.p3d:0 Section without material is in shape with ST coordinates

[charred bolt]

Yes, so that is in your first res LOD 0.
Check for proxies as I mentioned - experiment with deleting them and see if that "fixes" the message

[pallid island]

make sure you have some weight set on *all verts of *all components in Geometry lod

[fresh skiff]

Thanks I'll try that

also, why every time I export does it create tempstuff?

[finite stump]

What do you mean by proxies here?

[pallid island]

because that's how it works tempstuff gets deleted if the export doesn't error out mid-way

[fresh skiff]

neet okay

thanks

ANyway, where's mass tools supposed to be?

[pallid island]

do you have geometry LOD object selected?

are you in Edit mode?

[fresh skiff]

Ah I needed to be in edit yes

What is the mass scale? kg?

[charred bolt]

kg yes

[fresh skiff]

Also, when opened in Object Builder does the gun need to be pointing left in front view

[charred bolt]

Make it the same as the gun from the Samples

[fresh skiff]

easy

yet another... opening the viewer crashes object builder

[charred bolt]

It's a bit like getting in a car and complaining that it keeps crashing when all you want to do is go from A to B.
You need to fix the tools and your use/understanding of them before starting the journey. 😉

[west haven]

it's still going

[fresh skiff]

i...guess?

[charred bolt]

Check that you have assigned materials to all textures.

[charred bolt]

So what exactly are you doing here? step by step so I can reproduce it

[fresh skiff]

Open my .p3d in object builder > View > Viewers > Buldozer > Start

Crashes the application even when no p3d is loaded in the builder

[charred bolt]

Do you have a model.cfg file in the same folder as the p3d?
Do you have a model.cfg class CfgModels class name that exactly matches the p3d file name?

[fresh skiff]

Okay so... I haven't really gotten up to making the cfg. This is my first mod, for reference\

I understand this is probably frustrating lol, I'll get on the config now. All I can find to guide me through it is a 2012 guide

[charred bolt]

What happens if you open the Test_Weapon from the Samples?

It might be that your buldozer (Object Builder viewer) isn't set-up correctly yet

[fresh skiff]

Where are the samples?

[charred bolt]

Steam "Arma 3 Samples"

[fresh skiff]

rightio, installing now

[charred bolt]

You have a p drive?

[fresh skiff]

Could I potentially be able to work out most of the weapon making process by looking at sample object cfgs and scripts?

[fresh skiff]

should be all set up and such yes

[charred bolt]

Yes, having a working example is always useful. Not everything is perfect in the samples, but when someone gets crashes with their own mod, it's common to ask whether the samples will load/work, as that helps narrow it down to a tool or mod issue.

[fresh skiff]

crashes on test weapon too

[charred bolt]

In Object Builder, File>Options
check these are set correctly for your pc

[fresh skiff]

Okay so I should've, but my path to Arma3.exe wasn't there, only the commands for some reason. fixed, and now instead of crashing steam just shoots out 'Arma 3 failed to start (code 86)

plus this

oop now this is happening

stuck on this

[charred bolt]

Ideally use mikero's (free) tools to unpack the a3 data and set-up buldozer.
But if not, using the Arma 3 Tools, install buldozer

[fresh skiff]

Same error, unfortunately

[finite stump]

I checked the faces, found all the vanilla glass I assigned was broken. Tried to fix it but it just wont do it. I go into UV, I select Planar Mapping and then click Undeform and it fixes a couple of the blocks but not all of them. Am I doing this the right way?

[charred bolt]

Using Explorer, go to the path for arma3.exe shown in OB and see if you can launch the app manually

[west haven]

i dunno what it wants from me lol

[fresh skiff]

launched fine

[charred bolt]

comment out lines 1 to 13 and retry

[west haven]

should i shift the asdg ones below then?

it seems to have fixed it

[charred bolt]

Textures, UV maps and Materials are all different things.
UV mapping is best done in blender or whatever other modelling software you are using - it can be done in Object Builder too, but not the most efficient.
Assigning materials is done in face properties.

[charred bolt]

Ok, so there's something nasty going on in one of those lines, quite possibly the includes at the top.

[finite stump]

They all have texture and materials assigned the whole time.

[west haven]

yeah it's not liking those includes, even if i put them after cfgPatches

Is this something where I may have to put them all into one cpp

[charred bolt]

So isolate down to which include is the problem, then potentially cut and paste it into the main config.cpp so that pboProject can give you a line number for it's error

Once you've found the error, correcting it in the include hpp file will be fine

[west haven]

oh boy either of them chucks a shitfit

[charred bolt]

You don't see this at all?

[finite stump]

I see it but it selects everything I already mapped

[west haven]

I think it playing Hallelujah is a nice touch

[charred bolt]

Lol yes, although after the 50th time you'll be glad you can turn it off

[west haven]

alright let's see what happens

[west haven]

the failed music feels like some heroes of might and magic III shit

okay lets see what happens here

[charred bolt]

you presumably found errors and fixed them in the includes?

[west haven]

Yeah

I put them into the main file, it found em

i fixed em and put them back in the includes

[charred bolt]

cool, using the right tool really helps with debugging

[west haven]

now time to see if those tritium inserts fucked me up or not

well... it shoots at least

[charred bolt]

Sounds like perhaps you've assigned materials, but the paths are wrong. If the materials are ok, you'll get those blue dots in that OB window

[west haven]

but I'm starting to think something went wrong with the model.cfg that I'm missing

[finite stump]

I got all blue dots

[charred bolt]

autocenter set to 0 in Geometry LOD?

[west haven]

yeah

the actual texture appears in 3d too

however doesn

it doesn't change colour and the actual icon isn't turning up

also from the front all the proxies are visible

progress, but the fucking proxies still show up and it doesn't animate so it's almost definitely the model cfg

[pallid island]

(and tritium seemingly isn't there)

[west haven]

i deleted it because for some reason the tritium circles were making the whole thing glow bright green

so for now I'm gonna make it functional and consider adding them after the thing is functional

I'm still unsure entirely what I am doing wrong in regards to the proxies and why they continue to appear

[pallid island]

inb4 they still have material assigned

[west haven]

I set them onto the pistol light rvmat that was in base game but it was overriding the camo hiddenselection and making the whole thing the tritium sight

I've never really worked with multiple UVs in the one model before so it's probably something I missed

but I took the liberty of at least positioning it correctly so that's off the checklist

it does have a loaded chamber indicator which is supposed to pop up but that's all model.cfg stuff so it's likely something I need to work out in regards to what I'm doing wrong because nothing is throwing errors

I'm also unsure why it won't let me use basegame sounds since it makes no sound at all but that might be something else I've missed

[stuck oyster]

Remove materials/textures from proxies

[west haven]

ah, right

[west haven]

just tried to and it added them anyways, how do i fix that

[stuck oyster]

Add a blender material for proxies and give no Arma export paths to it and the assign it to proxies.

[west haven]

oh, this might be why the tritium didn't work

that's fine after I do the shit i gotta go to tonight I can fix that again

okay, they turned white instead of black so that did something but I gotta get ready

I also need to shift the pistol back a little bit more

[spark obsidian]

what would be making the nacelles appear like this?

feels like something is inverting

the fan blades should be black

[stuck oyster]

Which part is the blades

[spark obsidian]

you can see the little black/grey things

this is how it should be

[stuck oyster]

Make sure uvmapping exports right.

[spark obsidian]

it's unwrapping is correct tho

the whole plane is unwrapped on a single map

[stuck oyster]

Remove rvmat to see the color texture only

[spark obsidian]

split across maps

oh good idea

[stuck oyster]

If it has more than 1 texture/material sets make sure correct ones are applied

[spark obsidian]

that's more like it

#define _ARMA_

ambient[] = {1, 1, 1, 1};
diffuse[] = {1, 1, 1, 1}; 
forcedDiffuse[] = {0, 0, 0, 1};
emmisive[] = {0, 0, 0, 0};
specular[] = {1, 1, 1, 1};
specularPower = 30;

PixelShaderID = "Super";
VertexShaderID = "Super";

// COLOR MAP (CO) IS APPLIED IN P3D !!!

class Stage1 // Normal Map
{
    texture = "lynx\lynx_ra_52\data\engines_nohq.paa";
    uvSource = "tex";
};
class Stage2 // Detail Map
{
    texture="#(argb,8,8,3)color(0,0,0,0)";
    uvSource = "tex";
    class uvTransform
    {
        aside[] = {0,0,0};
        up[] = {0,0,0};
        dir[] = {0,0,0};
        pos[] = {0,0,0};
    };
};
class Stage3 // Macro Map
{
    texture="#(argb,8,8,3)color(0,0,0,0)";
    uvSource = "tex";
    class uvTransform
    {
        aside[] = {0,0,0};
        up[] = {0,0,0};
        dir[] = {0,0,0};
        pos[] = {0,0,0};
    };
};
class Stage4 // Ambient Shadow Map
{
    texture = "lynx\lynx_ra_52\data\engines_as.paa";
    uvSource = "tex";
};

class Stage5 // Specular map
{
    texture = "lynx\lynx_ra_52\data\engines_smdi.paa";
    uvSource = "tex";
};
class Stage6 // Fresnel function
{
    texture="#(ai,64,64,1)fresnel(1.5,4)";
    uvSource="none";
    class uvTransform
    {
        aside[] = {0,0,0};
        up[] = {0,0,0};
        dir[] = {0,0,0};
        pos[] = {0,0,0};
    };
};
class Stage7 // Environmental map
{
    texture = "a3\data_f\env_land_co.paa";
    useWorldEnvMap = "true";
    uvSource = "tex";
    class uvTransform
    {
        aside[] = {1.0,0.0,0.0};
        up[] = {0.0,1.0,0.0};
        dir[] = {0.0,0.0,0.0};
        pos[] = {0.0,0.0,0.0};
    };
};

class StageTI
{
    texture = "a3\data_f\default_vehicle_ti_ca.paa";
};

This is after i was messing around with the super setup, trying to set all the maps i don't have to zeroes

but even that didn't help

[spark obsidian]

more testing shows the specular map inverting some colors

reducing specularity values to this: "specular[] = {0.15, 0.15, 0.15, 1};" made it better, but still not perfect

[charred bolt]

Try this and you can also remove the #define _ARMA which does nothing.

{
    texture = "#(argb,8,8,3)color(0.5,0.5,0.5,1,DT)";
    uvSource = "tex";
    class uvTransform
    {
        aside[] = {10,0,0};
        up[] = {0,10,0};
        dir[] = {0,0,0};
        pos[] = {0,0,0};
    };
};
class Stage3
{
    texture = "#(argb,8,8,3)color(0,0,0,0,MC)";
    uvSource = "tex";
    class uvTransform
    {
        aside[] = {1,0,0};
        up[] = {0,1,0};
        dir[] = {0,0,0};
        pos[] = {0,0,0};
    };
};```

Do you have a Shadow LOD and does it cover those blades? Have you tried disabling shadows in game to check?

[spark obsidian]

this didn't change much, but it also didn't break anything, which is good.

[spark obsidian]

i'll check

this is the goal

[spark obsidian]

yes, this made it look much better, but there's still somekind of inverting going on:

[charred bolt]

It'll almost certainly be the _ao or _smdi maps that need tweaking, but you can also check whether you've chosen the right Fresnel values, as 1.5, 4 is quite close to lead, whereas you might prefer titanium (3.2, 4) or something else.

[spark obsidian]

titanium fresnel made it do this again haha

the ring appears correct, but the blades and internals should be black

[charred bolt]

Welcome to the wonderful world of Arma texturing. You might be best transferring this question to the texturing channel and hoping for an experienced artist to explain how to get those blades black - post which software you are using and current _co, _ao, _smdi samples.

[spark obsidian]

lol i get it

at this point, i'm suspecting it simply being the setup of the spec map

but yeah, i'll transfer to the texturing channel

[south badge]

He said he only had one texture. So isn't the given fresnel value going to get applied to the entire plane?

Which is obviously not optimal, because the entire plane isnt made of titanium?

[south badge]

Idk which flow you are using, but even for metallic surfaces arma pulls the base color from the diffuse channel. So try using a black diffuse in painter for the internals

I assume your diffuse is now gray

[spark obsidian]

i have 12 textures

the spec map should be applying the fresnel to the specularities, should it not?

[south badge]

Isn´t 12 a lot even for a plane with detailed interior?

[spark obsidian]

it is

[south badge]

To be fair the exterior of the plane will not be seen by players close up 99 percent of the time, I´d wager you could fit the whole exterior onto a single 4k texture

[analog garden]

do u wanna just post the SMDI I can peep it and try to help

[spark obsidian]

there it is

[stuck oyster]

This isn't quite right. The yellow parts are super shiny.

And when things are shiny, they can't be also dark

[spark obsidian]

works for the body tho

[stuck oyster]

But like

You can see the difference

Right?

[spark obsidian]

yes, it's pretty hella bright

cuz in substance, most of it is metal

somewhat shiny metal

might just redo the export

[analog garden]

which export preset?

[spark obsidian]

https://github.com/Scouter407/Arma-3-PBR-Workflow

[analog garden]

ok that makes this easy

so

metallic map does not function the same

metallic of 1 means incredibly strong cubemap influence

0 means none

u wanna drop it down and compress the levels

also add hue changes and color blending onto the body so it doesn’t look as flat, that might help as well with the general look

[spark obsidian]

gotcha, thanks

[west haven]

okay, for some reason the model.cfg still doesn't wanna work lol

[stuck oyster]

model.cfg to work in needs to be next to the p3d and inside of it in the class cfgModels part you need a class for the p3d named the same as the p3d

that is the connection

and you can test it in the ObjectBuilder Buldozer preview too

if it works there, it works in game after packing into pbo

[west haven]

yeah already done that bit so it's something I'll spot after I go to sleep

it's likely something blindingly obvious that i will see tomorrow

[ancient bobcat]

Hello, I'm making a weapon and I added a magazine slot proxy and made magazine selection in OB but in game mag model does not show up there's only option to choose mags and actually shoot but no model. I've set RHS's mags as only avaible.

[abstract siren]

This may not be the right spot, but I'm trying to either find a mod for an ALICE pack with LR and a large capacity, or figure out how to edit an existing one

[stuck oyster]

#arma3_config for the "howTo", #arma3_questions for the "does this exist"

[untold sorrel]

im a bloody beginner with the object builder.

I have this set of p3d's which are somehow offset

I have some very similar p3d's which are at the correct position.

Can i somehow copy paste some data to adjust the position of the borked model?

[untold sorrel]

ah nvm. i found the culprit. scuffed model.cfg

[fresh skiff]

Hey I'm getting this error every time I try to view my model in Buldozer, what's happening?

Before the error the Arma 3 spashscreen worksl

[dusk frost]

have you done all the P drive setup stuff

[fresh skiff]

yes

I just want to be able to check if the model renders in the engine or not, I'm having a problem where I'm holding an invisible gun

Side note, can I skip Binarizing when packing until I'm thinking about making the mod public?

[west haven]

hey quick possibly extremely dumb question but

[fresh skiff]

I'm re-following a step by step guide now. Once this problem is solved, if I can see my model in buldozer, does that confirm the problem is in config?

[west haven]

the selections for model.cfg are case sensitive right

[fresh skiff]

I'm not sure but assume so to be safe?

I would think they are

[west haven]

if that's the case im going to go jonkler mode

[fresh skiff]

Ctrl+H find and replace

[west haven]

it is case sensitive

going jokermode

[stuck oyster]

No

[fresh skiff]

Is that because Binarizing lets the mod become readable by Arma?

[stuck oyster]

Config.cpp is not read for buldozer. It connects only P3d and model.cfg

[stuck oyster]

No but the process reveals tons of errors

[fresh skiff]

packing full stop does that doesn't it

Fuuuuck meeeee

[stuck oyster]

How did you mount p drive?

What is your buldozer path and startup line in object builder settings?

[fresh skiff]

https://forums.bohemia.net/forums/topic/190353-howto-work-drive-setup-bulldozer/

This tutorial

followed it completely

Buldozer path ia Arma 3.exe

[stuck oyster]

Ye that don't work most of the time

[fresh skiff]

Wait it workjs

gholy

It was buldozer.exe before and I got that error

I changed it to arma and it works

[stuck oyster]

There are some problems that often happen with the default setup method unfortunately. But if it works for you, count yourself lucky.

[fresh skiff]

Roger

so uh

If the object exists in Model Viwer, does that mean if the model path is set correctly in config, it should appear in game?

[stuck oyster]

Yes.

Needs also textures to be set right.

[fresh skiff]

My model doesn't have it's textures would that make it invisible?

[stuck oyster]

No it would be white.

[fresh skiff]

grr okay I've done something in config

[stuck oyster]

Unless you also try to do hiddenselections via config

[fresh skiff]

it appears in arsenal but is invisible

[stuck oyster]

Or animate it to be hidden

[fresh skiff]

I exported it using Arma toolbox with textures, shouldn't that give it the textures from blender?

[stuck oyster]

Only if you assign the paths to the Arma export slots I. The blender material

[fresh skiff]

So it is possible

thank god

[stuck oyster]

And if those paths are correct compared to your folder structure and what gets packed into pbo

[fresh skiff]

I guess I need to search up what that means now

the export slots

It's still invisible in Arma ✨

[stuck oyster]

When you assign a blender material to your thing and it's set as export able with the plugin there's separate dialog box in the material tab to write down corresponding arma path to be written into the p3d

[stuck oyster]

I'd assume other weapons show up?

[fresh skiff]

So I export the materials seperately from blender, then give the path to them in objectbuilder

[stuck oyster]

Do you have also the other technical lods that are required

Like geometry and first person lod

[fresh skiff]

LOS and stuff are set up

[stuck oyster]

You are running bunch of other mods too so something else might conflict.

[fresh skiff]

guaruntee classes don't conflict, minimum

and P3d/mod names

To see the gun in hand, what minimum config do I need?

model=, what else?

[stuck oyster]

Refer to the sample weapon model

[fresh skiff]

Good idea, thank you

[stuck oyster]

And config

[fresh skiff]

oh weapon model?

ok I'll do that, not sure though

looked at the config before and it was just

...

shit

[west haven]

holy shit this model.cfg stuff is driving me insane

I can't have something rotate on the slide then go with it when the mag's empty

[stuck oyster]

?

[west haven]

i figured it out dw

[stuck oyster]

👍

[west haven]

i just gotta work out the slide panel disappearing when the optic is put on

and the muzzle flash that doesn't go away

[stuck oyster]

muzzle flash normally is handled by config.cpp parameter

[west haven]

there's a panel/cutaway that's supposed to disappear when optics go on

[west haven]

cheers

[stuck oyster]

typically called zasleh or muzzleflash

[west haven]

i managed to find it yeah, it's muzzleflash

[stuck oyster]

but you can define your own name for it too

and it also needs to be defined in the model.cfg Sections array

[stuck oyster]

well

unhide value is 1

[west haven]

the other bit is this, I've tried every combination of hide and unhide and it either doesn't disappear at all or starts disappeared

[stuck oyster]

so it should unhide when there is optic on

[west haven]

so if i set to hide value 1, unhide 0 it should work?

[stuck oyster]

yes

[west haven]

alright I'll give that a shot, thanks

feel like im running into a wall lmao

[stuck oyster]

too many parts at once.

need to make one thing at a time

[west haven]

Yeah I didn't realise I'd need to individually animate all three parts (the slide itself, the slide panel and then the loaded chamber indicator) separate

[stuck oyster]

mechanical things animate very logically

also parts that move together can be chained by bone parenting

[west haven]

hmm, I seem to have tried it but the panel is still there

[stuck oyster]

test that the animation works in buldozer

[west haven]

oh also silly question

with gear icons are the letters meant to be in alphabetical order

so one with all three (top, side, muzzle) is MST or TMS

[west haven]

how do i get it into OB? the model.cfg I mean

[stuck oyster]

when you start buldozer it reads the model.cfg

buldozer is the game engine previewer

[west haven]

oh, is it not part of arma 3 tools or am i missing something

[stuck oyster]

it basically runs the game exe in special mode

[west haven]

oh huh

[stuck oyster]

you start it from here

assuming you got everything set up right

[west haven]

huh, it says it can't start the viewer

is that because of mikero's tools

[stuck oyster]

should not be. mikeros arma3p should set up viewer to use arma3 exe with a typically working launch parameters

you can see them in the Object Builder options

(file menu)

running combination of mikeros tools and arma3 launcher stuff can break it

and running only arma3 launcher stuff can break it

[west haven]

okay it was looking for buldozer and not _x64

[stuck oyster]

theny you have not set up P drive with mikeros arma3p

and that can break it

[west haven]

I did that yesterday, but it might be because my C drive is now full

I believe there's a tool to migrate all of it right

[stuck oyster]

P drive is virtual drive located somewhere on your physical drives as a folder

where that folder is, is up to you

[west haven]

it's currently on my c drive iirc

[stuck oyster]

then sure it can take 30-40gb

[west haven]

would it be in my Steam directory or somewhere else

[stuck oyster]

dunno where you have made it be 😅

but im guessing you have not made a simple mapdisk.bat where you set the path to it

but have used arma3launcher to mount the p drive

which can again break it

[west haven]

I believe I used Arma 3 tools but it's been a long while since I did it

[stuck oyster]

and it puts it somewhere in the user files probably by default

which also can break it

[west haven]

amazing how much stuff can break it

[stuck oyster]

win 10 introduced lot of issues

it worked bit better with win7

[west haven]

I can imagine

but what I still don't quite get is why the hide and unhide value didn't work

[stuck oyster]

pmcwiki has simple procedure to set up P drive with mapdisk bat

#arma3_terrain has link to the terrain tutorials at pmcwiki which has the setup links at the beginning

[west haven]

okay

so am i going to have to use this mapdisk.bat to relocate it from my C drive which has no room

to a different drive that has room

[stuck oyster]

copy the folder you have it in now to a new location then mount the drive again from that location

then delete the old folder

[west haven]

that's just the thing i have no idea where it is now

[stuck oyster]

file search.

the files still exist normally in the physical drive

as well as being mirrored into the virtual drive

[west haven]

okay, looking for buldozer then since that's something on the drive

*p drive

found it

[fresh skiff]

If I define a class in my config that has the same name as a vanilla class, if I leave the class empty in my config will it pull all the config from the vanilla class?

[stuck oyster]

path it to arma3 exe

the buldzoer exe in P drive is just a copy of the vanilla exe

but running from teh real exe means you got the actual version you run the game with too

[west haven]

shifting it to a drive with space on it first, since my c drive is 99% full and I suspect that's why the mikero thing failed

[stuck oyster]

instead of possibly old copy

[west haven]

aight

[stuck oyster]

depends how you define it

and what you try to do

[stuck oyster]

yes that is correct way to do class parenting

[fresh skiff]

So unless I define otherwise, it will pull all traits from the AKM

[stuck oyster]

yes

[fresh skiff]

Thanks

sorry for so many questions, I have no-one to teach me modding so I'm trying to wing it on old tutorials

[stuck oyster]

as long as you do the leg work we try our best to answer questions here

modding isnt really taught. it is learned by a lot of practice

and it can cross over multiple aspects of game making

so yes it can get complex too quite fast

[fresh skiff]

Damn right

also what's the parameter that shows the weapon in arsenal? opticsarsenal=2?

[west haven]

scope=2 im pretty sure

[pallid island]

Needs to have a unique baseWeapon (or whatever the member is called) as well iirc

[west haven]

okay, i think I've shifted everything successfully. time to remount the drive.

[fresh skiff]

the class it inherits from is just the AKM class

[west haven]

usually the base one lets you set the model etc

[fresh skiff]

thanks

[fresh skiff]

Well I'm using the AKM base and just changing the name and model, to check the model works

[west haven]

hmm, oke

[fresh skiff]

probably dumb but

[west haven]

if it works

[fresh skiff]

I just can't get it to appear

[west haven]

oh, that might be because you do need to set it to a base one and then have the proper one inherit from that

also see if there's an AKM base

[fresh skiff]

side note, do I need to do anything when I update a local mod's .pbo? or just restart Arma?

[west haven]

just restart arma

[fresh skiff]

as in do I need to put all the classes the AKM inherits from in my config?

[west haven]

I'd say do whatever the AKM base inerits from

[fresh skiff]

sorry so just to be clear, I put all these classes in my config?

[west haven]

it should be rifle, rifle base f and ak12 base f

inherit off of that with your changes like model as like candygun_base_f and then have the proper candygun with the name, texture/hiddenselection and name with the scope 2

[fresh skiff]

anything wrong here?

[west haven]

oh, the model has to link to the actual slot it has in your pbo file

so candygun/candygun.p3d or something

[fresh skiff]

it's in the same folder as config

teh config is in the pbo

is it not based on the config location?

[west haven]

you still need to link it

so as an example

so at minimum you'd have to go like

\candygun\candygun.p3d

[fresh skiff]

easy

so ZL219 is your PBO within Addons

[west haven]

yeah

[fresh skiff]

easy

[west haven]

okay gonna restart to fix the work drive

[stuck oyster]

nonononoo

ok back to basics

[fresh skiff]

Ok so folder is on the left, config on the right. Is the referencing correct?

[stuck oyster]

local mod folder, pbo name and addons folder have nothing to do with paths in game file system

in this workflow P drive represents the root of the game engines folder structure

and P:\yourproject\yourtag_modname\path\to\file.any in engine is \yourproject\yourtag_modname\path\to\file.any

[fresh skiff]

okay

yupyup

[stuck oyster]

what is inside the pbo is what you need to have as file paths in config

[fresh skiff]

so I treat the pbo as the base folder?

[stuck oyster]

no

[fresh skiff]

aaa

[stuck oyster]

pbo is irrelevant

[fresh skiff]

can you try and explain it in reference to what I'm trying to do? like how do I write the references to files?

[stuck oyster]

whats you P drive folder structure

[fresh skiff]

oook so

a3

wait no

[stuck oyster]

a3 is unpacked arma3 data

[fresh skiff]

where does my thing fit in

[stuck oyster]

in my example P:\a3\ is same as P:\yourproject\

[west haven]

okay time to properly get a3p extracted so i can buldozer properly

[fresh skiff]

https://tenor.com/view/xqc-slam-slam-desk-desk-slam-xqc-slam-gif-19145485

[stuck oyster]

but A3 is vanilla games files project folder

[fresh skiff]

Ok so while I'm testing I pack my mod pbo to F:\@ValkysModpack\Addons\

then add that through the launcher

is that acceptable?

[stuck oyster]

pbos location is irrelevant

[fresh skiff]

ok neet

so it doesn't really matter

[stuck oyster]

no

only whats inside of it

[fresh skiff]

right

so when directing model= to my model

do I use the pbo name as the parent folder

or am I completely wrong

[stuck oyster]

no

pbo is irrelevant

only WHAT IS INSIDE OF IT

[fresh skiff]

so I just do this

[fresh skiff]

sorry yes I

[stuck oyster]

is that where it is inside the pbo?

[fresh skiff]

yes. It is in the root of the pbo

no subfolders

[stuck oyster]

gawd

🤮

[fresh skiff]

IS THAT BAD

I'M SORRY

[stuck oyster]

depends if you want to really make mods or if you just make something for a joke and never again I suppose

[fresh skiff]

This is my first ever mod ok I just am trying to make something work

😭

[stuck oyster]

but the example structure I wrote above is recommended

[fresh skiff]

there

[stuck oyster]

for example my project tagged LODR_

each of these folders becomes a pbo

except sources

thats stuff thats not going into pbos

[fresh skiff]

this is my first dive into modding ever I just

file structure isn't important to my adhd so I'm not going to try

getting it to work is

[stuck oyster]

paths in config look like this

[stuck oyster]

well proper organization helps with debugging

[fresh skiff]

and what is \LODR\

[stuck oyster]

I cant really follow what you are doing with your workflow

[stuck oyster]

my equivalent to A3\

[fresh skiff]

yes thumbs up right but where is it contained within the mod folder

where does config know to to look

[stuck oyster]

this whole structure is packed into the pbo

[fresh skiff]

I

I don't know how to ask the question that gets the answer I want

[stuck oyster]

I guess you pack with pboManager

[fresh skiff]

Addon Builder

[stuck oyster]

well at least little better

[fresh skiff]

Fuck me dude

[stuck oyster]

no thanks, got to at least buy dinner first

[fresh skiff]

nah thanks

so it doesn't matter if my mod folder is on my desktop or in P:\ yeah?

[stuck oyster]

it does

you should be working from P drive

thats what its for

technically sure if you know what you do, you dont need it sure

because someone will usually say that

but

you dont know what you do

so yes you need p drive

[fresh skiff]

does this look acceptable

[stuck oyster]

no

[fresh skiff]

Yay

[stuck oyster]

pbos dont belong in P drive

they are the end product

[fresh skiff]

that i would export to the Arma 3 subfolder

worksop whatever

[stuck oyster]

local mods can be anywhere. but common practice from the olden days was to put them in the root of the game for easy access

so steamfolders\arma3\@yourmod

[fresh skiff]

I'll follow that then

[stuck oyster]

and addons\"pbos go here" inside of @yourmod\

[fresh skiff]

how about this?

[stuck oyster]

better.

[fresh skiff]

Like I appreciate we went on this tangent but I still don't know how to link to my .p3d

[stuck oyster]

but youll want to do some fixes

look at arma3 data folders

like weapons

[fresh skiff]

just like "models\candygun_base_f.p3d"?

[stuck oyster]

and follow that example of structuring

[fresh skiff]

how about

once I've understood how to mod

[stuck oyster]

model.cfg next to p3d

textures etc in data folder

[stuck oyster]

this may take few years

maybe little less of that too

[fresh skiff]

Oh no

I think I did a bad

[stuck oyster]

you are kinda inventing a lot of your own structure here

which does not help in debugging your problem(s)

[fresh skiff]

Yes because right now it doesn't really matter, if the .p3d is in my root pbo then it would make it even easier to know my config is linking to the right place

and that isn't the problem, no?

Don't suppose you'd prefer to tell me how I'm wrong in VC?

[stuck oyster]

I dont have time to get that involved

[fresh skiff]

I would say that too

[stuck oyster]

and yes your "unorthodox" structure can be a problem.

and I got stuff to do so cant really spend day working out what files you got where

[fresh skiff]

all good

Open to anyone - is this config linking to the .p3d correctly?

[stuck oyster]

you can open up your pbo and see what folders are in it

[fresh skiff]

Aand the gun still doesn't even show up in arsenal

[west haven]

\candygun\models\candygun_base_f

since it has to start at the pbo file

hence mine had for example ZL219\pistols etc

[fresh skiff]

thanks

Any reason you can think of why it wouldn't show in arsenal

actually I think it's because there's no model

[stuck oyster]

pbo name is irrelevant

and pbo does not add to the folder structure

[fresh skiff]

A test gun mod I just installed to check stuff does it

so even if it's not the pbo it's linking to, for all intents and purposes here it does

[west haven]

almost there

[pallid island]

If "baseWeapon" isn't new/unique/match the weapon classname (i don't remember the exact arsenal logic right now) Arsenal doesn't show the weapon. It's meant to filter out pre-kitted guns (like "only show base AKM, don't show AKM with scope, AKM with silencer, AKM with whatever else optional attachments")

[sour bough]

BaseWeapon or scope

[fresh skiff]

I found the reason, it's becuse I didn't include weapon info or something

wait let me get it

[sour bough]

Did you break inheritance with it or something?

[fresh skiff]

nope, my gun inherits straight from Rifle_Base_F

[spark obsidian]

What needs to be done, to properly implement suspension for wheels?
What i've already done:

• Created working animations, using the "damper" source.
• Referenced the "AnimationSources" in Config.cpp .
• Referenced the "AnimationSources" to then inherit it in my plane's config class.
• Added wheel spring/damper configs for my wheels, inside my plane's class in Config.cpp

i'm also getting these errors:

15:01:06 lynx_plane1: gearfrontdamping - unknown animation source damper
15:01:06 lynx_plane1: gearrearleftdamping - unknown animation source damper
15:01:06 lynx_plane1: gearrearrightdamping - unknown animation source damper

this is my model.cfg config

[bright echo]

Planes are handled differently with dampers

you have to define animation sources in the vehicle config rather than use the generic damper source

[spark obsidian]

this is what i have in my config.cpp

[bright echo]

right so you would put 'Damper_Front_source' as the source for GearFrontDamping etc

[spark obsidian]

ah! i'll try that

[pallid island]

there's also this note in the wiki

[spark obsidian]

i saw that. But then i also saw, that the vanilla sample doesn't use Y.

i'll try both ways

[bright echo]

yeah im pretty sure thats BS

I have a lot of damper animations that use rotations

[spark obsidian]

@bright echo got any ideas why the wheels like to clip into the ground?

[bright echo]

physical animation not in sync with the physx wheels

[spark obsidian]

how does one define physx to wheels?

physx.hpp ?

[charred bolt]

Physx suspension is largely all code based, probably translation only.
The modder then matches the visual model with animations of the dampers/wheels to work with the physx interaction, and that can include rotation of suspension components, albeit as an approximation, but the animation in the res LOD's has no bearing on the physics.
Geometry LOD contains the overall weight and mass distribution (CofG)
Geo Phys LOD controls collision with other physx objects, but NOT wheels on ground
LandContact LOD relates to placement of the vehicle in Eden
Memory LOD contains important memory points for wheel centres, wheel boundaries and damper direction/length

[bold flare]

We see pbo manager, so I'd assume no prefix. In which case pbo name is the prefix, and is relevant.

[spark obsidian]

i figured out attaching physx, but the animation isn't syncing for some reason

[fresh skiff]

Hey so I get this halfway through launching buldozer

Any thoughts?

[spark obsidian]

when this happens to me, i fix it via armatools launcher

[fresh skiff]

Define 'Fix'

[spark obsidian]

project drive management, install buldozer

then this

and this

then it works

[fresh skiff]

Same error, this time instantly

[spark obsidian]

are you launching it from OB?

[fresh skiff]

Yessir

this now

[spark obsidian]

ok, so when i do this, it sometimes works, sometimes throws these same exact errors

[fresh skiff]

I changed the buldozer directory in OB to the P drive

[spark obsidian]

just fuck around

[fresh skiff]

Fair

[spark obsidian]

unless someone here knows a definite fix

[fresh skiff]

In Arma? pshhhh

I got it to work in the past by using arma as buldozer

Anything wrong here?

[candid mason]

Does anyone have any recommendations for easier management of LOD layers in blender? I'm wishing I could have like, "put this ramp in my asset library and lock its geometry to itself so it's properly inserted later"

[stuck oyster]

[fresh skiff]

Does this misalignment of ADS mean a config or model error?

my eye is over bore

[pallid island]

you can chain-parent all LODs (example in screenshot) and mark the deepest child as an asset. Upon dragging said asses into another document you get the all the parents imported as well. And per-object LOD settings do get exported/imported as well. At least that's how it works in Blender 4.3 and Toolbox 4.0.5 from pins when i test it now.
P.S. giving more descriptive name to the actually exported object would probably be better than what i have in screenshot

[candid mason]

banger post. so, the deepest child here meaning AssetCube or Cube.003?

[pallid island]

ViewGeo. Here's the screenshot that should've been there With the asset icon visible and all

[candid mason]

Okay, interesting that it imports up the chain, wouldn't have expected that

[pallid island]

can't explain, literally the first time i've touched blender assets myself

[candid mason]

yeah, I learned it for arma, which means I've focused a lot on how to make low poly geo and not much else

the interface is more powerful and I need to spend time researching it, because stuff like parenting was lost on me until very recently

[west haven]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/241824832453345280/1311603279901229107/20241128155941_1.jpg?ex=6749753e&is=674823be&hm=3e43cdf0dc0e264d07731b97f5991c8ad26dffdefdda7265bf4bcfdd4575569d&

yeaaa buddy

[umbral shuttle]

I am trying tomake an iron sight kinda like the RHS ak-103 where when u zero the little slider thing moves up and down. Do the eye memory points have to be the correct angle such that they arch the bullets at whatever zeroing its at. I am assuming that I would need the eye points in ballisitcally correct positions cause I had haphazardly put some memory points down and for the 1000m zero with its eye point the bullet goes like 1.5km

[polar fiber]

Yes, unfortunately you have to calibrate it all somewhat manually. We used to leave it all up to reyhard to calibrate the RHS ones because he had a sort of method to it. But it is still a case of figuring out where the eye points need to be for the ballistic drop, and lining it all up

[umbral shuttle]

oooof sounds like a bit too much pain for just this one gun, atleast I will have the little notch things moving up and down. ty.

[pallid island]

I mean, does actual angle between sighting line and barrel matter in A3? I'm pretty sure i've seen projectiles fly like 60 degrees up from the muzzle when messing with stuff

[marsh canyon]

If the weapon has a zeroing, it may twist the barrel

[west haven]

iirc that's because what the eyeline says 100m should hit direct is calculated beforehand with all the ballistic coefficient stuff to then mean wherever your eye is, at 100m from that it will always hit there no matter what

(i think)

[spark obsidian]

question about countermeasure memory points:

I'm running into an issue, where the direction of CM firing is reversed.
These are my definitions:

        memoryPointCM[] = {
            "cm_left_point",
            "cm_right_point"
        };
        memoryPointCMDirection[] = {
            "cm_left_direction",
            "cm_right_direction"
        };

both "point" and "direction" mem points are single verts

"point" is on the launcher, and "direction" is a bit outwards.

[polar fiber]

it's just memoryPointCMDir[] not memoryPointCMDirection[]

[spark obsidian]

...damn

thanks for the info!

[gloomy hemlock]

Sorry to ask this hear but has anyone recommendations on how to find a trustworthy model maker for arma 3 uniforms or do know someone?
The problem is that on requesting via #creators_recruiting I got like 3 answers till now and each of them was quite sure a scammer

[lone robin]

You’ll have better luck contacting someone on the #creators_offers

[gloomy hemlock]

Most of them are very old but yeah might be a good idea to give that a try. Thank you

[steady topaz]

Hey ho! question. any reason why when binarizing, arma 3 says it can't find the rvmat, then loads the rvmat anyways?

[charred bolt]

Perhaps hiddenSelectionMaterials are correct but path in p3d is wrong.
Use mikero's pboProject to build the mod and it will likely tell you what is wrong.

[stuck oyster]

they were scammers yeah 😅

a bunch got booted again

unfortunately that crap is here to stay now it seems.

[gloomy hemlock]

Yeah happens. I mean it’s good they got removed. Makes it harder to actually find someone trustworthy. Also how’s the titan model going?

[stuck oyster]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/506269802487087125/1310370145125928991/image.png?ex=6749960c&is=6748448c&hm=a66251f01cc42fc7d4859c7888428a941752e3403517cca865157e882356076f&=&format=webp&quality=lossless&width=286&height=350

goes forward 😄

[gloomy hemlock]

Very nice. Can’t wait to see thawing action

[pallid island]

stompy

[stuck oyster]

the project has also branched out into making the crew.

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/695691435743379526/1273034293014433934/HORGO_40k_Mechanicus_Bionics_Legs_02.gif?ex=6744ef93&is=67439e13&hm=703eb4ba37003ac8379759889bf3c13a564567a7bfe628a3a52f91543f43c922&
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/695691435743379526/1273034812936032286/image.png?ex=6744f00f&is=67439e8f&hm=a53d5e081965bb662e631abe1366377fbfb1d9b98bfe2b6b610723bcd1f57de8&
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/695691435743379526/1276303312035254355/HORGO_40k_Mechanicus_Bionics_Legs_07.gif?ex=6744f696&is=6743a516&hm=dcf781dcaed1c870adc7775506082ee71281708e09a348c1ee7aadc452fe85d5&
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/695691435743379526/1276318268373729331/HORGO_40k_Mechanicus_Bionics_Legs_08.gif?ex=67445bc4&is=67430a44&hm=f9d36ba9ab4505d8fbf10824e104dbb378d94ca607f330f6fcaa5a04f975b747&
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/695691435743379526/1296555053066227804/0001-0261.mp4?ex=6744cf7d&is=67437dfd&hm=e71040e7a840f809e18d5a6d532acfc86211ca597fd07f06a5b7a25b7b7127a2&

[pallid island]

mandatory "flesh is weak" joke

[stuck oyster]

so very weak xD

its slow progress. sometimes got to steal a moment to do something my own though

[cloud zealot]

Is there any reason for a uniform to be transparent ? I tried to replace the texture and the material but i can still see the shadow of my arm through it

[stuck oyster]

usually indicates paths dont match

[cloud zealot]

the texture is correctly loaded but it's transparent

the shoes are different selection of the same object but it's being displayed correctly

that's weird

[stuck oyster]

remove alpha channel from the source image and remember to have _CO suffix in the name

[cloud zealot]

It doesn't change anything when i change the texture

[stuck oyster]

is the default texture assigned on the model?

thats what needs to be set up right

otherwise things broke

[cloud zealot]

you mean the texture set in the p3d ? Yes it is

[stuck oyster]

with a texture without alpha channel and _Co suffix in source file prior to conversion to paa?

is the pbo binarized?

[cloud zealot]

i can try to add _co suffix but it cannot be the reason. Yes the pbo is binarized

I tried both binarized and unbinarized but it doesn't change anything

[stuck oyster]

the suffixes control the conversion rules used

it can be the reason

also make sure you dont have alpha channel in there

no transparent parts can still mean you have alpha channel

and would not be the first time that there is fully transparent background in the file

[cloud zealot]

usually when the texture is transparent, if i use setObjectTexture for test if does remove transparency

here it doesnt change

but i'm trying anyway

[stuck oyster]

the problem you see is the model getting flagged as transparent and instead of being rendered in solid pass it renders in transparency pass and the ambient occlusion of things behind it bleed through it

I dont recall any other reason but transparency in textures for this

[cloud zealot]

Apparently, you're right, i tested the model with a camo i made and it appears to work well. Very interesting way to make model transparent....

I could make a horror concept with this transparency thing ^^

[steep crest]

My computer crashed and all i can access is my model .pbos. i can't unpack them because they are binazirzed.any way to get them back from the pbo?

[spark obsidian]

Question about vehicle(aircraft) entry/exit points.

• How do they work?
• How do you define them in the configs?
• What is needed on the model itself?

[noble oriole]

Does anybody know how to rename LODs in Object Builder?

[charred bolt]

Right click the LOD you want to change
Properties
Select from list, or change the resolution LOD number

[charred bolt]

An entry and a direction memory point in the p3d, linked through config code.
_dir point is closest to vehicle door

memoryPointsGetInDriverDir = "pos_driver_dir";
memoryPointsGetInCoDriver = "pos_codriver";
memoryPointsGetInCoDriverDir = "pos_codriver_dir";
memoryPointsGetInCargo = "pos_cargo";
memoryPointsGetInCargoDir = "pos_cargo_dir";```

You should have a set of two (or more) memory points dedicated to each turret:
```class Turrets: Turrets
{
    class YourTurret: NewTurret
    {
        memoryPointsGetInGunner = "pos_yourTurret";
        memoryPointsGetInGunnerDir = "pos_yourTurret_dir";```

[spark obsidian]

thank you very much!

[charred bolt]

The naming is up to you, but convention is to start them with "pos"

[spark obsidian]

I'm running into a weird issue.
My plane always keeps tilting left, while on the ground.
What i've done to debug:

• Redistributed mass on the GeoLOD
• Adjusted the PHYSX config to debug.

[thin wigeon]

I haven't updated my mods for a year, looks like the new mikero tools are checking even more for issues. One in particular I'm hoping there's a quick fix - unwanted UV for geom LOD. Literally 1000s of my models have that warning. Is there a quick and easy way to use o2script to remove UVs from geom LODs? Scratching my head looking at the example scripts in there.

[charred bolt]

It's a false report from binarise - you can't remove the UV set, as all LOD's have one.
So set pboProject to use "binarise has errors" as a WARNING which will enable it to ignore the message and continue building.

[charred bolt]

There are a number of things this could be, but let's assume the physx is correct (it rolls down the runway and takes off ok), then it could be purely cosmetic and related to the suspension animation.
So, firstly, check in buldozer, using the damper source(s) that all suspension struts and wheels move upwards as damper goes from 0 to 1. It might be that you have one side reversed.

[spark obsidian]

it helped, after i drastically increased the spring/damper strengths in physx, but it still didn't quite explain the tilt

and even with incredible spring strength, some tilt was still noticable

[charred bolt]

Ok, that's a good start anyway.
Can you post your class Wheels {} config code?

[spark obsidian]

maxOmega                = 2000;  // Maximum engine RPM; affects wheel rotation speed
antiRollbarForceCoef    = 200;
antiRollbarForceLimit   = 300;
antiRollbarSpeedMin     = 0;
antiRollbarSpeedMax     = 300;

class Wheels
{
    class Wheel_Front
    {
        boneName = "WheelFront";
        steering = true;
        side = "left";
        center = "wheel_front_axis";
        boundary = "wheel_front_rim";
        width = 1.0;
        mass = 300;
        MOI = 0.6;
        dampingRate = 1.0;
        dampingRateDamaged = 1;
        dampingRateDestroyed = 1000;
        maxHandBrakeTorque = 5000; // To simulate gradual deceleration
        suspTravelDirection[] = {0, -1, 0};
        suspForceAppPointOffset = "wheel_front_axis";
        tireForceAppPointOffset = "wheel_front_rim";
        maxCompression = 0.3;
        maxDroop = 0.3;
        sprungMass = 2500;
        springStrength = 70000;  // Stiffer springs
        springDamperRate = 30000;  // Adjusted damping
        longitudinalStiffnessPerUnitGravity = 2000;  // Increased traction
        latStiffX = 40.0; // Slight increase for balance
        latStiffY = 35.0; // Improved grip during deceleration
        frictionVsSlipGraph[] = {{0, 1.5}, {0.5, 1.2}, {1, 1.0}};
    };

    class Wheel_RearLeft1: Wheel_Front
    {
        boneName = "WheelRearLeft1";
        steering = false;
        center = "wheel_rear_left_1_axis";
        boundary = "wheel_rear_left_1_rim";
        mass = 500;
        MOI = 1.2;
        sprungMass = 10000;
        springStrength = 500000;
        springDamperRate = 200000;
        maxBrakeTorque = 10000; // For rear wheels
        maxCompression = 0.5;
        maxDroop = 0.5;
        suspForceAppPointOffset = "wheel_rear_left_1_axis";
        tireForceAppPointOffset = "wheel_rear_left_1_rim";
        latStiffX = 40.0; // Slight increase for balance
        latStiffY = 35.0; // Improved grip during deceleration
    };

    class Wheel_RearLeft2: Wheel_RearLeft1
    {
        boneName = "WheelRearLeft2";
        center = "wheel_rear_left_2_axis";
        boundary = "wheel_rear_left_2_rim";
        suspForceAppPointOffset = "wheel_rear_left_2_axis";
        tireForceAppPointOffset = "wheel_rear_left_2_rim";
    };

    class Wheel_RearRight1: Wheel_RearLeft1
    {
        boneName = "WheelRearRight1";
        side = "right";
        center = "wheel_rear_right_1_axis";
        boundary = "wheel_rear_right_1_rim";
        suspForceAppPointOffset = "wheel_rear_right_1_axis";
        tireForceAppPointOffset = "wheel_rear_right_1_rim";
    };

    class Wheel_RearRight2: Wheel_RearRight1
    {
        boneName = "WheelRearRight2";
        center = "wheel_rear_right_2_axis";
        boundary = "wheel_rear_right_2_rim";
        suspForceAppPointOffset = "wheel_rear_right_2_axis";
        tireForceAppPointOffset = "wheel_rear_right_2_rim";
    };
};

[charred bolt]

Reduce it down to just 3 wheels

{
    boneName                     = "wheel_front";
    steering                     = 1;
    side                         = "left";
    center                       = "wheel_front_center";
    boundary                     = "wheel_front_rim";
    width                        = 0.67;
    mass                         = 40;
    MOI                          = __EVAL((0.5*40*(0.24^2))*0.9);
    dampingRate                  = 0.1;
    dampingRateDamaged           = 1;
    dampingRateDestroyed         = 1000;
    maxBrakeTorque               = 10000;
    maxHandBrakeTorque           = 0;
    suspTravelDirection[]        = {0, -1, 0};
    suspForceAppPointOffset      = "wheel_front_center";
    tireForceAppPointOffset      = "wheel_front_center";
    maxCompression               = 0.05;
    maxDroop                     = 0.05;
    sprungMass                   = 4004;
    springStrength               = 100100;
    springDamperRate             = 40040;
    latStiffX                    = 3;
    latStiffY                    = 20;
    frictionVsSlipGraph[]        = {{0, 1}, {0.5, 1}, {1,1}};
    longitudinalStiffnessPerUnitGravity    = 1200;
};```

{
    boneName                      = "wheel_left";
    steering                      = 0;
    center                        = "wheel_left_center";
    boundary                      = "wheel_left_rim";
    width                         = 1.11;
    mass                          = 60;
    MOI                           = __EVAL((0.5*60*(0.32^2))*0.9);
    maxBrakeTorque                = 18000;
    suspForceAppPointOffset       = "wheel_left_center";
    tireForceAppPointOffset       = "wheel_left_center";
    maxCompression                = 0.1;
    maxDroop                      = 0.1;
    sprungMass                    = 7098;
    springStrength                = 177450;
    springDamperRate              = 70980;
    longitudinalStiffnessPerUnitGravity    = 1900;
};
class Wheel_3: Wheel_2
{
    boneName                      = "wheel_right";
    side                          = "right";
    center                        = "wheel_right_center";
    boundary                      = "wheel_right_rim";
    suspForceAppPointOffset       = "wheel_right_center";
    tireForceAppPointOffset       = "wheel_right_center";
};```

[spark obsidian]

should i keep the antirollbar settings?

[charred bolt]

I don't think they're relevant to airplanex simulation

Also, check that the sum of the sprungMass in the 3 wheels equals the mass set in your p3d Geometry LOD.

[spark obsidian]

...interesting :D

[charred bolt]

Hopefully you realised you couldn't just copy and paste my code EXAMPLE into yours without changing things

[spark obsidian]

yeah, that skipped my mind for some reason

[sour bough]

The nose knows

[south badge]

Have you tried deleting the penny from the runway?

[spark obsidian]

this looks solid actually

there's zero spring in it, but i'll adjust it progressively, and see what happens

[spark obsidian]

what do you mean by "sum" of the springMass, by all 3 wheels?
My front wheel is set as 300, and each rear wheel is 500.

[charred bolt]

So the sum of your SprungMass's is 300 + 500 + 500 = 1300kg.
What is the mass you set in your Geo LOD? 1300kg?

I think you are confusing sprungMass and mass in the config?

[spark obsidian]

the values i mentioned, is what i set the wheel GEO in blender as.

[charred bolt]

Ok, step-by-step.

1. Set the TOTAL mass in the Geometry LOD (select all mesh) to the TOTAL mass of the entire plane.
2. Set the sprungMass for the front wheel to about 22% of the Geo LOD mass and to about 39% for each rear wheel

[granite berry]

What are the recommended blender and armatoolbox versions? I got 4.1 and 4.05 and I get errors everytime I try to export anything more than resolution 1 lod

[pallid island]

errors like what?

[granite berry]

like this https://pastebin.com/DjJuAhB9

Ok there is something wrong with my geo lod that causes the error

[analog garden]

ooo a quarter

[spark obsidian]

So true

After i misbalanced the CoM, it turned into “Oh look! A shooting star!”

[noble oriole]

Alrighty I'm lost. The shadows on my item seem to be appearing on the wrong side, any ideas on what I can do about this?

[charred bolt]

Have you checked that your shadows are closed, triangulated and sharp?

[noble oriole]

I triangulated the shadowvolume earlier but there seems to be unclosed points, if that could be the cause?

Object Builder seems to have trouble closing them though.

[unkempt token]

I dunno what best practice is but what I normally do, if it's an object not attached to/worn by the player, is just set namedProperty 'sbsource' to 'visualex' in the geometry LOD so it uses GPU shadows and skip shadow LODs entirely

[stuck oyster]

make the shadow from 2 simple boxes

from the looks of it you got way too complex shadow for tiny prop like that

[noble oriole]

I'll try sorting out the shadows then. Thanks guys.

[charred bolt]

That's absolutely fine. Although if the object is subsequently proxied onto a vehicle, for example, you end up with soft shadows mixed with hard, and problems in the 1st person view. Not a reason not to do it with visualex, but something to consider.

[unkempt token]

That's good to know. Thank you!

[woeful viper]

where have i heard that excuse before...

[gloomy hemlock]

where do i find the basic character model for fitting uniforms onto?

[marsh canyon]

Arma 3 Samples

[terse elm]

lol

[gloomy hemlock]

sorry to ask but how do i get the character model from it to give it to the 3d artist to make the uniform for it?
ive never worked with that and know nothing

[marsh canyon]

Arma 3 Samples
https://store.steampowered.com/app/390500/Arma_3_Samples/

Steam

Arma 3 Samples

Formerly part of Arma 3 Tools, this application contains all necessary samples to get started with Arma 3 content creation. The collection covers a broad spectrum of topics, from scenario design to mod making. Along with every sample comes commented code and relevant documentation to allow you to understand how they work.Note: These samples are ...

[gloomy hemlock]

yes i downloaded it and it doesnt open at all so i though i have to go into the files or smth

[stuck oyster]

Yes it's just a folder where ever you installed it

[spark obsidian]

wait, so i shouldn't set specific masses for each wheel in the geo LOD, just distribute a total mass across the whole geo LOD, so i have a specific value? i'm so confused.

[charred bolt]

Each component needs to have mass, generally recommend more than 5kg each, but not too important what it is as long as total mass is realistic and centre of gravity is appropriate.

[noble oriole]

So I've cleaned up the shadows and but the model in general still appears very dark and only some edges on the wrong side seem to be reflecting any light.

[charred bolt]

Does it change when you disable shadows using the in-game options?
If so, it might indicate that your shadow LOD is not fully contained inside the bounds of your resolution LOD and you need to resize it smaller.

[noble oriole]

I moved the shadow LOD inside of my resolution but that didn't really cut it. The strange thing is that with my shadows disabled, the opposite side from the sun becomes fully illuminated. Not sure how I've achieved this. 😂

[fluid copper]

Send your p3d if you want

[noble oriole]

Here ya go

[pallid island]

inb4 normal map with inverted green channel

[finite stump]

Which LOD's need to be triangulated?

[fluid copper]

Theres something wrong with the models normals, normally flipping them in object builder fixes it, but it wasnt working. I'd suggest verifying your models normals and your export settings in blender

[cedar jacinth]

Out of curiosity and since i have not yet understood shadows (but for weapons) could you show me an example of your shadow LOD?

[charred bolt]

Here's the full doc on LOD requirements.
https://community.bistudio.com/wiki/LOD
But a simplistic answer is that it's the Shadow LOD that must be triangulated and will break if it isn't. Fortunately, unlike other service LOD's, it doesn't need to be convex.

[cedar jacinth]

hello 🙂
I try to export my weapon with LODs but for Res2 i get this "error"?
Failed validation -> skipping LOD (run manual validation for details)

How can i run manual validation? I am using MrClocks Blender addon

[stuck oyster]

have you actually assigned the objects to a lod

[cedar jacinth]

Yes ofc

Resolution -> Slider to 2

[stuck oyster]

in where

[cedar jacinth]

Blender

Res 2 -> is P3D LOD = Yes (Blue) -> Type: Resolution -> Resolution/Index = 2

[stuck oyster]

in what dialog

[cedar jacinth]

"Data"

[stuck oyster]

then you can probably try disabling the validation tool

[cedar jacinth]

Nope, then it only exports 6/12 LODs instead of with it active 11/12 😄

[cedar jacinth]

Got it fixed somehow 😄
But once again i have encountered another issue..
When viewing ingame and in buldozer there is a part of my weapon missing
In blender and object builder i dont have this issue.. What could i have done wrong?

[pallid island]

check face orientation in Blender

you seem to have faces... well, face the wrong way

[stuck oyster]

turn on backface culling so you always see what way is front

[noble oriole]

Just a box in the rough shape of my model that's set as shadow volume.

[stuck oyster]

there are also couple of shadowlod examples in the arma3 samples

basic gist of it is that
+shadowlod should be as simple as possible
+all of its surface should be within your resolution lods
+its shape should match the general silhouette of your model .tiny details are rarely needed on it

[cedar jacinth]

oh i did not know this! have not seen them yet

[cedar jacinth]

that is true! for some reason the part that is missing is red.. how can i "flip" them? 😄

[mighty smelt]

where chat spanish?

[cedar jacinth]

SUIII

[noble oriole]

Select them in edit mode and go to mesh > normals > flip

[stuck oyster]

we dont have one

[mighty smelt]

where can i find a spanish discord?

[cedar jacinth]

There is no spanish section and/or Discord - you will have to ask questions in English :/
Also, this channel is only for moddeling stuff in Arma 3 - general questions are asked in #general_chat_arma

[cedar jacinth]

Ty a lot! this fixed my issue

[noble oriole]

Refering to these? (Forgot to post screenie).

[stuck oyster]

I do not know. you can ask in #general_chat_arma if someone can send you invitation in Private Message.
This channel is for talking about 3D-models

[fluid copper]

No.. not those. Im not familiar with the export tool you're using. I think there are a few sources online that reference the problem you're having but I cant remember them exactly

[noble oriole]

I've been using the Arma 3 Object Builder addon

[stuck oyster]

someone else had the same issue with it not long ago. I just dont remember the exact setting he needed to have

[noble oriole]

@fluid copper @stuck oyster Turns out the export settings must've been the issue. I've switched from the Arma 3 Object Builder addon to Arma Toolbox and that's done the trick. Many thanks!

[stuck oyster]

yeah there was some setting that it needed. just dont remember what it was exactly.

Alwarrens toolbox needs o2 script path to be set right for normals to write correctly

P3D basically uses same thing as Blender with Sharp and smooth edges

[loud vessel]

Im having a nightmare trying to get this POW hut in-game and I've honestly given up trying to work through guides and getting ChatGPT to try and help (bad idea) - honestly would be down for paying someone to help me finish this off - is there anyone/anywhere reliable to go for services like that? (apologies if not allowed here!)

[stuck oyster]

well next step would be making geometry model for it

[unkempt token]

^ you are halfway through the hard parts! if you can learn how to do it yourself it's pretty worthwhile depending on how much you're aiming to make. Looks like you can already make the most important part. If you really want to recruit someone for the remianing tasks though you could post in #creators_recruiting

[steady topaz]

I cant really help too much but chatgpt wouldnt help much either.
ya need a few things and can look em up.
a config would probably help. And arma has on steam free samples to reference, the house_f one might be pretty useful

its under tools in arma, and in the addons folder once the samples are downloaded

theres also example rvmats as well in the P:/ drive when installing arma for modding

you would probably also need a geometry object a Roadway object. but they are all in the samples 🙂

[stuck oyster]

this is plenty of help already 😄

[slate flare]

how do I install the ArmA addon for Blender manually? I have not used blender since 3.x and something's different 🤔

dont I put it in 4.3\scripts?

[marsh canyon]

Nothing should be that different. Install the zip

[slate flare]

okay

when I do install it though nothing happens

[stuck oyster]

how did you downoad it?

[slate flare]

just through the github

as the zip

[stuck oyster]

from releases?

or straight from the source?

from source git adds extra folder

so you got to unzip it and zip without the extra folder

then install

[slate flare]

yea I did from release

could just be because my computer was not happy with what I was doing yesterday

[finite stump]

Do I need to make 2 different glass components for the vis LOD if I just want to make the glass disappear when shot? I'm not looking to do broken glass shards.

[finite stump]

Figured it out. Can just make an empty component and that fakes it out.

[finite stump]

pboProject is giving this error when using the "config_macros_glass.hpp" from the Arma Samples House

warnings are errors
......................................................................................................................preprocessing files produced an error

What does this mean and am I to assume BI coded this file wrong?

[unkempt token]

uncheck 'Warnings are Errors' at the top, in the pboproject setup -> warnings & errors option if you want to just get around it

I had that issue too

[finite stump]

I uncheck it and it keeps just stopping on this error

[bold flare]

Remove the semicolon from that macro. And instead add it to every usage of it

That's the price you pay for using mikeros tools

BI didn't follow proper standards making that sample. But it would work properly either way.

[subtle bison]

or just disable that error option

then it will only print as a warning and not bother anymore. if it still causes an error, then the issue is likely not that line.