arma3_model

[analog garden]

poor results but it works

[grizzled halo]

wdym?

[mossy mulch]

they were respinding ti sturm

[analog garden]

meant to respond to this lmao

[rapid tree]

I mean its geometry it doesnt need to be high quality lol

[analog garden]

Nah it’s just iffy on results

[slim granite]

I have my model selected.. However the mass box is greyed out? How do i add mass?

[grizzled halo]

needs to be a geometry LOD top be able to assign mass to selections

[slim granite]

Ah thank you!

[slim granite]

Attempting to view/show model in background while i add collision. But its not showing

nm

[halcyon rampart]

If memory serves simplify the model as best you can and close all faces

[stuck oyster]

Don't skip on making good geometry lod

Automated tools don't make good results on collision meshes

We would shout it off the rooftops if there was some good solution for that.

Manual is the only way to make them right.

Automation results we can see in many games where you can't shoot through clearly visible holes or you walk on air on invisible geometry piece

[rapid tree]

I dont skip i just looking for ways to make it faster

[stuck oyster]

Unfortunately there isn't, except just learning to do the modeling in efficient motions

[rapid tree]

I see

[rapid tree]

@stuck oyster i had a problem with a scope not showing up but everything was correct, but when i added another scope to the array of compatibleItems it worked, how is this possible ? was something corrupt when i packed the pbo ?

[stuck oyster]

Can't say I recall something like that happening so don't know. Maybe file didn't actually save or update right.

[rapid tree]

a mate of mine thought the data got not updated correctly due to it maybe got moved to the temp folder while packing

[inner venture]

what´s that

[charred bolt]

Eh?

[main jasper]

Anyone have any idea why a custom Suppressor isn't showing up on my rifle, it's as if its invisible, even though the sounds change etc

[stuck oyster]

No proxy in rifle?

[main jasper]

Proxy is there

I wish it were that simple lol

[stuck oyster]

Proxy not named right? Proxy being hidden by animation? Proxy not present in all lods?
No viewPilot lod in weapon?

Attachment model has autocenter property properly set?

[grizzled halo]

the head selection for uniform models is in the "character example" file or should the bust from TemplateRTM should be used?
Asking since my character example file doesnt have head selections in the 1st visual for whatever reason

Yeah Turns out my samples were missing a lot of proxies for whatever reason , maybe at some point i tooks them out haha

[woeful viper]

arghh... making proper firegeometry for this weird geometry on the back is a pita http://abload.de/img/2015-12-05_00002wuu91.jpg

[rapid tree]

I had this problem with a scope, try to add another suppressor to the compatible items List and pack it again

[main jasper]

All fixed

had the asdg setup screwed slightly

class NSWG2_MuzzleSlot_300: asdg_MuzzleSlot
{
    class compatibleItems
    {
        NAVSPECWARGRU2_SCI_SIX_Can_FDE = 1;
        NAVSPECWARGRU2_SCI_SIX_Can_BLK = 1;
    };
};

CORRECT ^^

class NSWG2_MuzzleSlot_300
{
    class compatibleItems
    {
        NAVSPECWARGRU2_SCI_SIX_Can_FDE = 1;
        NAVSPECWARGRU2_SCI_SIX_Can_BLK = 1;
    };
};

INCORRECT

Didn't have it derived correctly

[stuck oyster]

👍

[trail junco]

why do i get this error when trying to export as p3d from blender

all of my lods are set up with the right properties

[rapid tree]

No rvmat or texture linked maybe ?

[trail junco]

yea my geometry layer and roadway layer needed a material apparently

[analog garden]

firegeo needs one of the like metal plate 5mm rvmats
roadway i didnt realize needed a material either

[stuck oyster]

you should be able to export objects with no materials just fine

but it does throw that error if you have empty material slot

[trail junco]

ohh i thought since i got the error that it didnt export correctly

[hard oasis]

In the Object Builder i wanted to use the View-commander to give him a pip for him only, it says obsolete does that mean it no longer works?

[stuck oyster]

correct

you can use view pilot and view gunner

and use one for commander and other for rest of the crew

there is a config parameter to define what lod each turret/pilot etc uses

[hard oasis]

can i use this command to limit the Periscope pip for the commander only?

[stuck oyster]

well

[hard oasis]

i had the Pip screens on the proxy but i noticed that everyone will have it and it lags like hell

[stuck oyster]

it is what I just said

[hard oasis]

i'll see what i can do thanks

[stuck oyster]

proxy?

[hard oasis]

yeah the screens where on my interior proxy

[stuck oyster]

why is your interior a proxy?

[hard oasis]

and when the game pulls it everyone can view it, so i'll throw the screens only to the View-pilot and View-Gunner

[stuck oyster]

I got no idea what you are talking aobut

🤣

[hard oasis]

My unit bought this vehicle to use it but it came incomplete as the person who did it is no longer modding

so i took it to fix it

it came with several proxies

[stuck oyster]

sounds bad

thats not really how things are supposed to be made

makes no sense

[hard oasis]

what should i use proxies for then? i'm aware one of them is for seats

i mean player position on seats

[stuck oyster]

yeah you use proxies for that

and muzzleflash maybe

but thats pretty much it

normally anyway

[hard oasis]

i see thank you, i'll put everything into one P3D then

[stuck oyster]

that is the normal way

is this that SUSI/SISU I saw somewhere earlier?

[hard oasis]

SUSI? i don't think so

[stuck oyster]

nevermind 😄

you can also fake the periscope view

[hard oasis]

it was a Guarani APC like the one over at BRAF mod, we bought it a little bit before BRAF add theirs, we then switched to theirs, but their vehicle has a LOD problem by loading many lods in a small distance so the unit owner threw me the files of that old vehicle to see if i can fix it

[stuck oyster]

sounds like a nightmare xD

[hard oasis]

i could try, but the thing is unlike BRAF's Guarani this one is modelled different the Periscope is kind of hanging in the middle of the air i would have to remodel the area behind it to make a 3D periscope thing

in BRAF's the periscope is attached to the front of the vehicle this one is a hanging periscope

[stuck oyster]

doesnt matter, you just make the gunner view lod you use for that persicopes user offset enough so it fits where the periscope is

[hard oasis]

Oh you're talking about that one you view by right-clicking?

[stuck oyster]

no the interior view

for the commander

view lods dont all have to be in same space

you can use that to fake periscope views

[grizzled halo]

whats the memory point or proxy that controls the aim in custom units?
For whatever reason my custom uniform unit is not able to aim guns x)

[stuck oyster]

eye maybe

[hard oasis]

I'm confused which LOD does the commander use?

[stuck oyster]

its a turret

so by default gunner lod

but like I said you can set that turret to use any lod you want

[hard oasis]

oh i thought it defaulted to ViewCargo or something

ok then

[stuck oyster]

well depends what you have in the model I suppose

[stuck oyster]

easiest time you have by copying vanilla man memory lod and fitting its pieces to your shape

[grizzled halo]

that what i did, im highly confused at this point hahaha

[stuck oyster]

or tracing each point to equivalent config parameter

do you have appropriate actions for aiming

[grizzled halo]

yeah, im inheriting everything from an actual vanilla class from csat

[stuck oyster]

got viewpilot lod?

[grizzled halo]

ye

i know the action is actually doing something since the dof changes

but no actual aim

[stuck oyster]

vanilla weapons too?

[grizzled halo]

ye

the custom weapons work with vanilla units too so its not the weapon itself

[stuck oyster]

no further ideas.

basic setup should not be very difficult or complex or need any alterations that I can think would cause something like this

[rapid tree]

Is the gun the problem or the uniform ?

[grizzled halo]

its the uniform, only happens when i wear it

[rapid tree]

I would make a new one

And copy paste it in the samples template

Sometimes Arma modding problems are solved by making it from scratch again

[grizzled halo]

im inclined to thinkg the issue could be the skeleton for that specifically

im checking the selections and there is a lot less selections compared to vanilla uniforms

and i even have extra custom ones

[stuck oyster]

:L

[grizzled halo]

however samples uyse OFP2_ManSkeleton

[stuck oyster]

its a normal arma man uniform yes/no?

[grizzled halo]

yes

[stuck oyster]

then you must use exact same setup as the sample character

[rapid tree]

Everything uses OFP skeleton

[stuck oyster]

no additions,

no changes

only thing you can touch is the sections of your class nameOfP3d inside class cfgmodels

skeleton stays the same

[grizzled halo]

class CfgModels
{
class Default
{
sectionsInherit="";
sections[] = {};
skeletonName = "";
};

class ArmaMan: Default
{
    htMin = 60;          // Minimum half-cooling time (in seconds)
    htMax = 1800;        // Maximum half-cooling time (in seconds)
    afMax = 30;          // Maximum temperature in case the model is alive (in celsius)
    mfMax = 0;           // Maximum temperature when the model is moving (in celsius)
    mFact = 1;           // Metabolism factor - number from interval <0, 1> (0 - metabolism has no influence, 1 - metabolism has full influence (no other temperature source will be considered)).
    tBody = 37;  // Metabolism temperature of the model (in celsius)

    sections[] =
    {
        "osobnost","Head_Injury","Body_Injury","l_leg_injury","l_arm_injury","r_arm_injury","r_leg_injury", "injury_body", "injury_legs", "injury_hands",
        "clan","clan_sign","Camo","CamoB","Camo1","Camo2","personality","hl", "injury_head", "insignia", "ghillie_hide"
    };
    skeletonName = "OFP2_ManSkeleton";
};

class Zonenjager_CBRN_Coat : ArmaMan
{
    sectionsInherit="ArmaMan";
    sections[] = {"boots", "coat", "collar", "gloves", "pants"};
};

};

yeah, skeleton hasnt changed

[stuck oyster]

👍

[stuck oyster]

Some steps you can make to debug.

Make you uniform class use vanilla model to see if it's issue in that end.

If the makes no chance then your config is somehow breaking it. So simplify that to bare minimum that applies your new uniform model and see if that works

[grizzled halo]

yeah, I shall try tomorrow with that. Im a bit brain fried right now

[trail junco]

how do I choose a differnet UV set for a certain vertex group

in object builder

[trail junco]

or how can i paste the points from one uv set to the other without replacing the existing ones??

NVM i got it

[charred bolt]

None of that temperature stuff belongs in model.cfg, the samples are wrong.

[grizzled halo]

yeah, but nothing really apparent to what the ADS issue Im having could be there.

There is also no mention of uniform hiddenselections definition having to be in the cfgVehicles entry instead of cfgWeapons (that only changes the ground model), had to find a really really old post in the forum to make the uniform recolors work.

[stuck oyster]

there is logic to it though. the cfgvehicles thing is the visual character and the cfgweapons thing is the item

https://community.bistudio.com/wiki/Arma_3:_Characters_And_Gear_Encoding_Guide#Character_Configuration

there is also this

[grizzled halo]

I guess you are right on the logic part, its just a bit confusing having the first search result be the other guide in wiki that varely mentions uniforms themselves, the one with the weapon and slots explanations and having multiple "startup" guide labeled in the wiki

[stuck oyster]

it is yea

unfortunately the wiki lacks in many areas

[lone robin]

I have a potentially dumb question. Say I have a building model that I’d like to apply different materials to in order to add a couple variations of that structure into the game. Would I have to create a model.cfg for each variant or would one suffice since the skeleton is technically not changing?

[candid rock]

You would need a single Model.cfg for the P3D, you would then utilize hiddenselections to change the textures to create the other variations

[grizzled halo]

^ for each different p3d, you need a different entry in model.cfg

as long as its variations that uses the same p3d, the same model.cfg is valid

[stuck oyster]

if the building is intended to be used on a map, then each variant needs its own P3D

and each P3D needs a cfgModels class in model.cfg in the same folder as the p3d

you can have multiple p3ds defined by single model.cfg

and they can share skeleton

and even inherit cfgmodels animations and other properties from a single parent/base class

[candid mason]

I'm trying to figure out if there's a sane way to grab the hesco textures from base a2/a3 to build custom structures...

Anyway, sorry, real question: What exactly determines what counts as "inside" to the engine?

[stuck oyster]

In what context?

[stuck oyster]

you can path to vanilla textures inside vanilla pbos without ever touching the textures

[candid mason]

Like, muffled weather, what counts as being Inside vs Outside

[stuck oyster]

roadway material

[candid mason]

So a roadway roof is what does it? Thanks.

[stuck oyster]

yes theres different types of roadway surfaces

not material sorry, texture

the texture defines what soundset that surface uses

and the soundset defines how sounds are played when a thing is on the surface

[candid mason]

Right

so concrete roadway on a freeway overpass

[stuck oyster]

sure that probably works

[grizzled halo]

so yeah, no config issue. Its something on the model.
Using vanilla uniform in the example let me ADS.

[stuck oyster]

id suppose try using the sample uniform and see if that works

[grizzled halo]

I cant find any reference of what could be missing, im using the same mem points as example

[stuck oyster]

make a copy of the sample char and try it

[grizzled halo]

yeah sure, let me do that and see what happens

[grizzled halo]

alr, fixed. Thanks a lot for your time.

Noticed my mem points were different AGAIN for whatever reason, redid the memlod with a clean template file and all good now

[stuck oyster]

👍

[civic edge]

Is there any modeler I can DM or maybe someone can explain here how to connect a large building? I am trying to make a building as big as about 200 meters and I made pieces of it, the question comes in how to connect and texture it properly. Cannot find any resources on those topics. Thank you

[stuck oyster]

For texturing, you will need to learn how to set up multimaterial

It was discussed here not long ago so you can finfd that in the chat history pretty easily

[civic edge]

Thank you, I'll look into it after work. All that's left is how to put building together (and in a way how to make textures work where it doesn't cut off)

[stuck oyster]

Texturing relies on uvmapping which you can set up so that one island follows the previous one, thus making the tiling of the used repeating surface texture seamless

It's all just basic modeling, does not need anything fancy

[civic edge]

Pretty new myself but good to know, dunno why I didn't think of that

[stuck oyster]

Its alright to ask when you don't know. 👍

[rapid tree]

@civic edge

[stuck oyster]

Oi! I know that guy too!

some weirdo making pins

[pallid island]

Pinhead?

[rapid tree]

i pinned him because i wanted to help him finding the multimaterial reference

[stuck oyster]

yeh thats fine. I just meant I know that guy who makes those weird pins

[pallid island]

I smell "pin"/"ping" mixup

[analog garden]

documentation for making a pip scope?

iirc it's a cba feature right

[civic edge]

Huge help, thanks!

[grizzled halo]

if you find something that is not dependant on cba lmk pls :p, im interested

[analog garden]

...i think the only implementation of it is cba

but

im not sure

unless scopes are under cfgvehicles then i dont think u could do it with traditional pip

[grizzled halo]

well, if such is the case we can always prepare the stuff in ob/blender/etc and do the implementation scriptwise using EH.

[analog garden]

yeah but idk how to do that 💀

[grizzled halo]

I would assume its possible to use the reference to the plane inside the scope in whatever lod is created, but equipment and attachments operate differently from vehicles and weapons so im not sure, assuming you can its just a matter of telling the pip function to get the camera (again from the reference of a memory point in the scope) and project to the plane.

but if anything, cba is always viable but has its tradeoffs, like the external render resolution being SMASHED while the pip scope it active to compensate performance. Idk if you can disable that in cba, since you can more precisely control PIP in vanilla A3 now

[mossy mulch]

prs welcome

[grizzled halo]

does the mats used in hiddenSelectionMaterials cannot have macros?
It seems to dislike macro'd files as using the same material directly in a model has no issues.

Doesnt seem to be the problem, still getting error "Cannot use file". I wonder what could be, since the file works normally on model selections.

[charred bolt]

Where is the error message coming from? Hopefully you're using pboProject - can you screenshot the message and also check the packing or bin logs for more detail?

[grizzled halo]

im not using pboproject no. The error pops in game, after actually selecting the retextured item. Im trying to change the material of an nvg once its turned on/off.
I can check in game log and see if something pops up.

-Only Error I have regarding that:

Cannot load material file kmp_essentials\models\equipment\face\zonenjager_ausf_91b\textures\alt_glasses\glasses-glass.rvmat

and this is the definition of the material:

hiddenSelectionsMaterials[] =
{
"\KMP_Essentials\Models\Equipment\Face\Zonenjager_Ausf_91B\Textures\Alt_Glasses\Glasses-Glass.rvmat"
};

[charred bolt]

I'd suggest you try pboProject then, as it will likely fail on build and tell you exactly why - probably something wrong with the path to the material file.

[grizzled halo]

yes, I will try but its not the path, I actually set up a secondary model that uses that exact same path and works correctly when used from the selection inside the model itself

[charred bolt]

Once you start using more appropriate tools, you'll find Arma modding an awful lot easier, as without the error checking it's largely a guessing game.

p drive, game files extracted to p:\a3 and mod in p, build with pboProject.

[analog garden]

hm strange maybe change the position of the #include ?

unless I misunderstood what u meant

[grizzled halo]

no, the problem is not the include, im just pulling a template for each file and just replacing classes on it for my rvmats.

A3 refuses to use the file if called with hiddenSelectionMaterials, for whatever reason that might be, since using a fully made rvmat yield the same result for that selection

Problem solved: rvmats are not packed by default and get dissolved during binarization

and while I would like to test with pboproject as suggested above, that would mean having to adjust all the models slections relative paths to the previous project and I dont really have time to go thorugh 100s of selections right now sadly

[last spindle]

You could try vhacd, and then clean it up, works all right for complex things, not so good for simpler things

[dusty dove]

I am wanting to build flag poles and custom signs into my terrain. Does anyone have the base files for doing this? All of the .p3d models I have found appear to be locked.

[empty aurora]

With own flag textrure?

https://community.bistudio.com/wiki/setFlagTexture
yo dont need modifty .p3d, just texture of it

[dusty dove]

I want to build it into my map, can't use a retexture script.

[empty aurora]

Aa, sorry, i misunderstood your question

[obtuse rain]

Can you paint multiple channels/maps in Quixel 2 simultaneously? Bit hard to tell from the videos.

[white oak]

Flags can't be baked into maps due to how proxies work

[stuck oyster]

you can build pedestals and such positions for flag pole to be placed

[analog garden]

couldn’t u add an init script so that it spawns flagpoles onto one of those invisible spheres or is that overthinking it

[loud veldt]

Hello.. I'm looking to learn how to import a rocket launcher into Arma, I have the model already, but I don't know how to import the rocket launcher itself, I've imported a few other weapons unless its just the same way

[marsh canyon]

Same thing, unless you mean "import" more than just a P3D

[loud veldt]

so, all of the proxies are the same as any other weapon?

[marsh canyon]

Pretty much

[last spindle]

Yes, if you are painting you are usually painting in all channels, i think there is a drop down where you can select specific ones if that is what you are after

[grim crag]

I made shadows and for some reason this is happening, idk why. Anyone?

[charred bolt]

Shadows need to be closed.

[grim crag]

It is closed, i went topology - close

[charred bolt]

Do this in Object Builder with your shadow LOD and check if 0 points are selected afterwards.

[grim crag]

Exactly how i did

Seems like its the cuffs that are the issue of the uniform, idk what

[charred bolt]

Ok - shadows also need to be triangulated and sharp.

[grim crag]

also done

[charred bolt]

Any reason why you didn't bother saying any of that at the start in the original post?

Only other thing I can think of is that you have a rogue selection name on the cuff that is being stretched/animated/hidden.

[grizzled halo]

probably a bad weigthed selection, perhaps the roll of whatever arm that one is?

[upper valley]

Trying to import vest, weights are done, model.cfg is fine, but in game my vest still floating over the floor, any ideas what i forgot to add? Maybe missing proxies?

[stuck oyster]

refer to headgear requirements in pinned messages

principles are all same

just more selections

[inner venture]

Ah I just Ctrl C Ctrl V the solution but used it only once but never remembered

[blissful spire]

Any reason why this woudnt work for AI pathing to enter my custom building?

If i have the building next to my other corridors, they can enter fine but its when im trying to get them to enter from outside the building it has problems.

[blissful spire]

Semi related to above, I was able to get the AI to open my doors properly in another model, but not in this one. I have the all the actionBegin and actionEnd entries in the config, and in the path lod. Animationsources are setup, and the doors do work in OB.

[stuck oyster]

is this multiple floating buildings

[blissful spire]

Negative, both buildings will be flat on ground

Kinda hard to see in this image since its busy with the walls, but its set flat to 0 in blender

[stuck oyster]

do you have useractions for the doors?

[blissful spire]

Yeah, all 8 doors have their own pair of useractions (one for open and one for close), each has their own animationsource in the p3d and the model.cfg. the useractions are not locked to players only, so AI should be able to use them

[stuck oyster]

Izf you remove the doors do the paths work?

It could be that because tho doors don't open the ai can't see way in

[blissful spire]

I can give that try, but ive seen them opened up before, which is why im so confused

[blissful spire]

Negative, paths work with or without the doors. Although "entering" the building via the paths work with/out doors works fine if i put them pretty much right on the path that the model has.

[stuck oyster]

Just a debug measure to see if the paths work

[blissful spire]

i get it

[tribal rain]

so im exporting my file as a p3d in blender keep getting this error though anyone know what causes it?

NVM figured it out

had to export it to a different save and then re-export weird

[grizzled halo]

yeah, i had this same issue when having the file selected or even object builder open on the side even if i dont have a file loaded

[tribal rain]

i figured it out turns out i had an Umlaut U in my code because i was trying to be cute with naming conventions and ofc its not recognized XD

[ancient bobcat]

Can I export sharp edges from blender to Object builder?

[grizzled halo]

yes, you can

[ancient bobcat]

how?

[grizzled halo]

using Mark Sharp tool, or addons like hardops (which for A3 assets works excellently good)

[ancient bobcat]

When i marked sharp after exporting model had shadow bugs etc. and then and applied shade smooth in object builder it's all lost obviously

[grizzled halo]

shadows have to be closed + triangulated and can only be sharp anyway. Check the first 2 requisites first

[ancient bobcat]

I mean lod 0 this is what it looks like

[grizzled halo]

lodN (resLods) are not the ones that cast shadows

do you mean as in your resLod having extra geometry?
Because that is what is looks like

check you are not double exporting and that your normals are not flipped by pressing F5 in object builder

[ancient bobcat]

yep, F5 worked

Thank you so much

[grizzled halo]

👍

[blissful spire]

for the Path lod, how tightly do the AI follow it? It seems like my path lod works inconsistantly trying to direct a unit around my building.

[stuck oyster]

it shoudl walk very tight on the edges of the path mesh

ie from vertex to vertex

[stuck oyster]

make sure your o2script.exe path is set in the Toolbox Addon settings

(tutorial in pinned messages)

[blissful spire]

Yeah, mine doesn't. Even when I remade the whole mesh, the unit just paths through the middle of the building that has no path mesh in, to get to the move to location. My assumption is this is why my doors don't open consistently by the ai since it's skipping the mesh

[stuck oyster]

[blissful spire]

Yeah, I'm at a loss. Only thing I could think of is to shrink the edges of the path and make them smaller. I'll grab a video tomarrow or something like that

[stuck oyster]

There is geometry lod and roadway lod on there right? Both under the path lod

And roadway mesh slightly above geometry

[blissful spire]

Mhm. Path lod is 0.1 above in blender

Which I think is 10cm? Or roughly at least

[stuck oyster]

Yeah that should be fine

[blissful spire]

What I'm super confused about is that when I go and remove parts of the roadway and only leave where the path is, the unit still moves through the middle of the model

[stuck oyster]

And you have the "in" points and "pos"

[blissful spire]

Yes to both

4 in,1 per door, 16pos points

[stuck oyster]

Is your roadway mesh faces facing up

[blissful spire]

I.. I don't know

Imma be so pissed if that's what it was

[stuck oyster]

That's one lesser know requirement

[blissful spire]

Yes to the roadway mesh

[stuck oyster]

Typically example shows it but since by default blender does not have blackface culling enabled not everyone know about face direction and Arma drawing only front and can't even see wrong facing mesh.
It can be a bother sometimes

[blissful spire]

same for the actual path mesh

[stuck oyster]

Yeah path mesh needs to face up as well

[blissful spire]

ive confirmed that my geo lod is both closed and convex, so thats not the problem either

mem points and animations for the doors work as intended to

i might strip the top floor of the building off, redo the path lod and see what happens tomarrow with units skipping pos points, and not triggering the door animations. or just scrap this model and do a fresh new one

[quick terrace]

@obtuse rain yes, that is how it works. you can paint individual ones as well if you please to do so

[vital hare]

Hello, is it possible to make a Hide animation that is only displayed at night? I can't find anything on the internet

And by day it unhides

[stuck oyster]

hmm

you can maybe tie it to clock hour source

[stuck oyster]

what kind of thing are you thinking of making exactly?

may be easier to advice if we know what you try to achieve

[vital hare]

To keep things simple, I'd like to make an entrance sign in an area where during the day it says open and at night closed

[stuck oyster]

clock hour could work for that then. but its not really configurable and does not follow day night cycle where daytime length can vary a bit

[vital hare]

Oh well, I'll try to do it differently then, thanks anyway

[stuck oyster]

it migth be better as a simple mission script

[vital hare]

yes i think too

[candid marlin]

So, I made a model in blender and sort of figured out how to import it into arma.
I have a question though, when I look at the object in game, the part of the object i am looking at is invisible almost, but i can see the otherside of it, almost like an xray I guess.
Is this something I need to fix in Blender, Object Builder or?
Edit Note: I suspect its a View Pilot issue, but not sure which one to use for a prop.

Now that I look at it, its also facing 90 degrees from the way its supposed to, but im assuming thats an autocenter issue

[blissful spire]

check your faces

might need to flip them. If your in blender, Blue face is "facing" you, Red is "away" from you

[candid marlin]

ooo good point, i'll take a look at that

[blissful spire]

np i have my own issues to fight with about AI pathing so i get it lmfao

[blissful spire]

I think im just gonna scrap the AI pathing for this object and strip the doors out, i dont understand why the AI seems to not follow the path at all

[candid marlin]

it was this, i flipped them and it worked LOL

[ocean mantle]

what does the "unconventional" meaning?

[charred bolt]

Probably the number of the Shadow LOD is 1. It should be either 0 or 10 for most assets.

[ocean mantle]

validation passed after deleted some mesh

for example, delete the black mesh in this picture make the lod passing the validation

I haven't seen any issue on this mesh , very weird

so I just skip the validation

[stuck oyster]

Probably shadow mesh tri count is higher than recommended

Those shapes look like they could be heavily simplified

[blissful spire]

Been mucking about with this, deleted the doors across all LODs, and im still having issues with AI not pathing correcting on the Path LOD.

[stuck oyster]

try adding ramp geometry and roadway under the entry path

[blissful spire]

both are under according to blender

AI just goes straight through the middle to the doorway on the other side

Ive double checked the path face too, and its all facing the right way, its been trianglized and the edges are sharp

[woeful viper]

is there by chance a max script to simply check if a body is convex? atm i'm modifying, export to OB, check convexity go back to max, tweak, rinse repeat

not particulary efficient...

[rapid latch]

What the shit?

[fluid copper]

It looks like your uv's arent correct

[fluid copper]

Remove your rvmat and try again

[rapid latch]

No rvmat

[fluid copper]

interesting

[stuck oyster]

perhaps you have multiple uvsets

[analog garden]

oh hit f5 I think, flips normals, might’ve happened

[analog garden]

no in p3d sometimes normals get flipped

so do it in object builder

[rapid latch]

The problems start with the lighting

[white oak]

What scout is trying to say is that the way that faces point may be off
In blender do
Mesh -> Normals -> calculate outside

[white oak]

Could you show us the UV mapping of just the blade?

[rapid latch]

The whole knife has this problem

[pallid island]

inb4 it's broken self-shadows

[rapid latch]

How fix this?

[white oak]

I'm guessing a bad bake from a bad UV or bad mesh
From the UV that looks a bit crowded for something that size

[rapid latch]

I've had closer UV's as well.

[white oak]

A knife and a zeppelin may require slightly different approaches
Looking at the UV that tip of the knife looks horribly mapped

[south badge]

That´s a lot of vertices for a single knife

[rapid latch]

Only retopology?

[stuck oyster]

you will need multiple distance lods for it

(and any other model you make)

[sour bough]

Jesus that grip

[rapid latch]

🙂

[sour bough]

😦

[south badge]

You could legit reduce the grip polycount by 75 percent and it would make no difference, since the player´s hand is going to make it impossible to see the majority of it anyway

[rapid latch]

New

[rapid latch]

And new blade

-80% polycount

[south badge]

Have you tried pushing F5 in object builder to recalculate normals and saving the model that way to fix the issue?

To me it looks like this is your issue

[rapid latch]

When I continue working, I'll try

[south badge]

Well, your UVs look normal, you have no shadow LOD, so this is not a shadow issue, and it is also not a face orientation issue because the knife is not see-through

[grizzled halo]

this looks like an issue in how you are exporting your maps more than a material issue or a UV issue. Your blade displays correctly when shaded and the "glossiness" issue is only happening when being shone.

What kind of workflow are you using for your textures?
It very well could be that your SMDI was weirdly made.

[south badge]

wait, why no rvmat?

try again with an rvmat applied

[rapid latch]

No rvmat = rvmat

Identically

[south badge]

Hmm. In that case I assume the path in your .rvmat was incorrect, because it almost certainly should make a difference.
I suggest you apply an rvmat, run arma with the knife equipped on a character, and then look into the .rpt

It will tell you if there are any issues with incorrect paths.

[last spindle]

I don't think any script exists, but you could maybe use the maxscript console too do a quick check. <boolean>nvpx.IsConvex <node>inode is from the massfx library, you can also use functions in there to generate convex bounding meshes if you are keen to write the code....

[gusty parrot]

anyone got any good sample vehicles other than the one in arma 3 samples that may or may not use invisible wheels? Something like a motorcycle for example that i can check to learn.

[white oak]

depends on what exactly you want to learn
if its the support LODs you want to learn samples and the documentation is more than enough
but it its modelling itself then learning blender from other sources would be better

[gusty parrot]

its more of just me tryna add stability to the vehicle im making but ill figure it out, pretty sure i cna make due with the samples as you say. thx!

[white oak]

stability means a lot of things in a vehicle
primarily yaw and tilt for example which have to be examined both separately and together
weight distribution matters

[gusty parrot]

true, should probably try to keep weight as low to the ground as possible to make it less likely to tip over

if arma works like i think it does

[quick terrace]

@woeful viper - there surely is such a script, i remember seeing one on scriptspot some time ago

[stuck oyster]

for motorbike like things low mass is yeah very important

other than that it is basically just car with just wheels close to each other

youll have to experiment with wheel size and the physX settings to get behavior that fits your needs

[gusty parrot]

well its not light weight, its just really tall and bipedal. I know the animations are gonna be tough but for now i just want it to move without any

ive animated flaps and ailerons for jets before so im sure i can figure it out

just not a lot of examples for that stuff

so gotta get creative with the samples lol

[stuck oyster]

oh you should say its a mech

it helps to be specific

then even more so low weight center to keep it upright (it will be somewhat janky always )

[gusty parrot]

jank is to be expected lol

but aight, if you got any resources that could help me i would appreciate it

otherwise thx!

[stuck oyster]

for mechs there arent really any besides what may have been discussed here

the basic options have been talked about before

the warhound in TIOW and the Titan in Tiberian Genesis and the Macross mechs from Battlestad are some of the best examples on how it can work if animation cycle is done right

but there isnt really any special magic to it

just a lot of well timed animations

[gusty parrot]

aight thx alot!

do these animations have anything to do with rtm file format? would i need to rig my model cuz i can probably do it with mixamo or accurig

nvm i think that mostly applies to characters lol

[stuck oyster]

correct

for man simulation mechs the ones I've showcased for Lost Dragons in my preview videos and what Webknight has made as the Knights are examples of man mechs

[gusty parrot]

ill check those out

wait what mod is the knight from? i see your mech for lost dragons but im not sure which mod webknights stuff is in

[stuck oyster]

they are warhammer knights

dont remember the name off top of my head

[gusty parrot]

nvm found them im dumb

[stuck oyster]

but youll probably see it through his workshop

[gusty parrot]

thx!

[stuck oyster]

the implementation and good/bad features are very different in both approaches

[gusty parrot]

ill investigate both and see which one i can actually manage lol

thx alot for the help

holy shit the knights are sick as hell

[analog garden]

where in the model.cfg is the muzzle flash object defined

for weapons

i see zasleh hiddenselection

[candid marlin]

So, I made another model, and I am getting ready to import it as a placeable prop. I know how to do the config, (ill figure out rvmats in a few), but to define the object as having a "hitbox", I'm assuming I have to set "Geometry" in object builder?

Or is it something else that I have to set?

[charred bolt]

If you are using selectionFireAnim, then sections[].
If you are instead hiding the muzzle flash manually based on a weapon animationSource (as is often the case with coaxial mg's), then you'd define it as a bone in the skeleton.

[analog garden]

nah figured it out
it was defined in the p3d

[charred bolt]

Of course it's in the p3d too, but you specifically asked where in the model.cfg it should be written.

[analog garden]

what im working on rn

[analog garden]

ye i didnt realize that lol it's written nowhere in model.cfg

just p3d

[charred bolt]

Eh? I just told you where it goes in model.cfg. If you don't put the selection name in sections[] it won't work.

[analog garden]

oh no the zasleh is there

im saying the actual model

like proxy

i forgor

i figured it out tho

bad wording on my part

[amber swift]

hey guys, im having some problems with my tracked IFV.
1 - I cant make it go above 25 km/h
2 - the gunner camera is not aligned with the cannon
I have no clue what it is i already checked the memory points, but they seem to be in the right position. Any ideas?

[analog garden]

increase torque maybe?

peakTorque iirc

[grizzled halo]

whats the mass of the vehicle?

[analog garden]

oh yeah that could also be it

good way to look is if when you go off a hill you drop like weirdly quickly, iirc that can be due to too large of a mass

[grizzled halo]

torque will only ensure movement if the vehicle is too heavy, iirc someone mentione atleast another 2 config parameters that interlaced in order to define speed and all that jazz

[analog garden]

RPM and torque iirc

or MaxOmega

in arma

bc RPM is for sound

engine power is KW

idk how that feeds into speed tho

[amber swift]

Oh maybe, at first i thought the MOI and dampen rate would be the problem, it was what people were saying in the forums.Ill try increasing the torque then

[amber swift]

Im not sure sure, i think i set like 29000kg. Once im home ill say for certain

[analog garden]

Use irl vehicles for reference

Bradley has 450 kW of power

1929 Newtons of force

And weighs like 27 tons

or ~24000kg or so

40 MPH top speed

[charred bolt]

Some config params: #arma3_config message

[amber swift]

Thanks man, the vehicle im trying to create is the danish future upgrade of the cv9035. Im not sure whats power of the vehicle as theres limited information on the upgrade package. So i used the values from wikipedia, but forgot those were for the mk0 variant which is much lighter.

[amber swift]

I see thanks, i will try to tweek these values, hopefully ill at least get some different results

[charred bolt]

Car/tank performance is always a combination of p3d memory points, geometry lod, geo physx lod, buoyancy lod and a whole bunch of config values.

[grizzled halo]

Ah, thats the one I was thinking about, gearboxRatios Is what should help you with speed if your Torque is optimally set

[charred bolt]

It really does work like any real vehicle - you need enough engine power for the weight, enough rpm and torque being applied via the gear box to get good climbing rate but also top end speed, relevant differential settings and slip values for wheel traction, suspension and roll bar stiffness for cornering... and all that assumes that your track rods aren't bent or wheels are out of tracking (p3d) as that can ruin the best engine/transmission set-up.

[gusty parrot]

hey im having trouble with making a uniform, ive done similar stuff before but idk whats blocking me. Right now i have everything set up as it should as far as i know but when i load up the game and check my uniform, its invisible. It shows up in the arsenal and on the unit i put it on in config but the model is completly invisible. Ive seen the headgear basic requirements in the pinned messages, is there something like that for uniforms cuz im kinda stuck rn.

[grizzled halo]

Uniforms need a cfgVehicle entry that associate to a unit

in order to be shown

[gusty parrot]

yeah thats what i got, it exists in game but the model is not showing so im assuming its a model problem more than a config problem. Its probably hard to get any help when i dont give more info but im not sure what to send over...

[grizzled halo]

does it show in object builder properly?
If so then the model itself its alright but you might want to double check proxies/mempoints etc.

Is your model.cfg properly defined?

Is your config properly referencing the p3d?

[gusty parrot]

it shows up properly in object builder yea. Dont really care about the textures right now

its not quite a uniform but i know the model should still show up

model.cfg : ```
class CfgSkeletons
{
class Default
{
isDiscrete = 1;
skeletonInherit = "";
skeletonBones[] = {};
};
class Mantis_Skeleton
{
isDiscrete=0;
skeletonInherit="";
skeletonBones[]={
"body", "",
"hip", "body",
"l_lower_hip", "hip",
"l_upper_leg", "l_lower_hip",
"l_lower_leg", "l_upper_leg",
"l_foot", "l_lower_leg",
"r_lower_hip", "hip",
"r_upper_leg", "r_lower_hip",
"r_lower_leg", "r_upper_leg",
"r_foot", "r_lower_leg",
"l_shoulder", "body",
"l_arm", "l_shoulder",
"r_shoulder", "body",
"r_arm", "r_shoulder"
};
pivotsModel="A3\anims_f\data\skeleton\SkeletonPivots.p3d";
};
};
class CfgModels
{
class Default
{
sectionsInherit="";
sections[] = {};
skeletonName = "";
};
class mantis_model : Default
{
htMin=60;
htMax=1800;
afMax=30;
mfMax=0;
mFact=0;
tBody=70;
skeletonName="Mantis_Skeleton";
sectionsInherit="";
sections[]={"camo1", "camo2"};
};
class mantis : mantis_model{};
};

[grizzled halo]

you need to make a custom unit

you cant wear the suit as a uniform

because it changes the skeleton expected from the arma3 man

you might have more luck asking WBK about that in his discord since he does much more stuff related to that

[gusty parrot]

thats what i did i think but its kinda getting into config stuff so idk if i should put it here

ill just put it in #arma3_config

[grizzled halo]

you might want to specify that its NOT using the same skeleton as the a3 man over there, you might get help in definig a new creature as you might require to

[gusty parrot]

ill try that

[grizzled halo]

cheers

[rapid latch]

Thanks

[mossy mulch]

anyone have the arm angles for armarig to hand?

[stuck oyster]

for the default pose?

and angle from where? 😅

straight side, straight down

[mossy mulch]

like the standard armarig everyone uses

the angle of him in the a-frame

[mossy mulch]

oh right

uhhhhhhhhh either

i just need to fit my stuff to it

(i dont know how to measure it with blender myself else i would)

[mossy mulch]

thanks goat ppreciate you

[stuck oyster]

how I did it was to pull a new bone from the shoulder to side and rotate it by the cursor that was set at the elbow with snap to point enabled and targeted the root of the hand bone (wrist)

[mossy mulch]

i have 0 clue how to use all the bone bits rn

[mossy mulch]

doing my first uniform so im touching all that later when it comes to weightpainting

[stuck oyster]

😄

👍

babys first uniform

awww

precious

[mossy mulch]

im massively out of my depth im meant to be a scripter

[stuck oyster]

👍

its cool to take on such challenge

im froming new pants for this guy

they veery rough cut right now xD

[mossy mulch]

all of my stuff has been hard surface, got a minor amount of fabric to do which im dreading though

thankfully its like a vacuum suit thing so shouldnt be horrendous though

[stuck oyster]

I like to get even the early shape weighted and work from there

[mossy mulch]

i cant seem to find the right search terms either - is there any way to move the selected verts towards the 3d cursor without scaling them?

[stuck oyster]

towards the cursor 🤔

hmm

dont think I've ever done such

[mossy mulch]

yeah... made the mistake of not working at the world origin and now having to go back and fit everything accordingly

[stuck oyster]

ah 😅

classic

cant say I can think any way to do that

you can center stuff on cursor

[mossy mulch]

manual positioning on armarig it is then? 😓

[stuck oyster]

aand you can create a point at cursor and move rest of mesh to that point via point snap and a active mode on

so active point acts as target to align the whole selection with

have some armor internals done aswell here. Dunno if I've ever shown these before

[mossy mulch]

very nice

[stuck oyster]

the shoulder turret will be extra gear piece

but the armor is designed to be able to mount special equipment

also its miller 😄

[mossy mulch]

thats great

[south badge]

you added a scope?

[grizzled halo]

tactical ballistic knife, of course

[rapid latch]

🙂

Old

[umbral shuttle]

what is the process to making blur rotors for helicopters? I have the two blur proxies but looking at model cfg for the chinook I dont really see any hide animations for it

[polar fiber]

It’s done by hiddenselections normally. Engine feature with the selections defined in config and model.cfg

But means the rotors can’t be retextured if the heli uses that method because it conflicts

So using hide animation is an option if you want to make your rotors retexturable. You’re just unlikely to find much in the way of examples for it and will need to use your own initiative

[umbral shuttle]

I think I prefer the engine feature, not really a huge loss if the blades cant be retextured.

I am though a bit stuck on an issue , the static blades show when the rotors are fullying moving. The first image is taken while landed and the 2nd image is when in air.

in p3d I have the selections as main rotor blur and main rotor static for the right blade, they are present in the model.cfg and in config its

selectionHRotorMove = "main rotor blur";
selectionHRotorStill = "main rotor static";

so I am not too sure what could be wrong

[stuck oyster]

check for typos

[charred bolt]

Check they're not part of other selections too, such as camo.

[umbral shuttle]

that was it, I had figured it out a few min ago after a quick break LOL

[ruby lion]

does the geometry property frequent which allows geometry instancing only work for terrain baked objects ?

[past mesa]

can you override an objects texture via script. I want to make an object that i can change the images on at will?

[abstract mirage]

@past mesa You mean like this? https://community.bistudio.com/wiki/setObjectTexture

[past mesa]

ffs i was searching for objectSetTexture 😦

@abstract mirage thanks mate

[abstract mirage]

No problem.

[ruby lion]

if (!isNil "SimpleObjects") then {{deletevehicle _x;}forEach SimpleObjects};
SimpleObjects = [];
{ 
_position = getPosWorld _x;
_vectorDirUp = [vectorDir _x, vectorUp _x];
_model = (getModelInfo _x) select 1;
_SimpleObject = createSimpleObject [_model, _position,true];
_SimpleObject setPosWorld _position;
_SimpleObject setVectorDirAndUp _vectorDirUp;
SimpleObjects pushBack _SimpleObject;
} forEach (nearestTerrainObjects [player, [], viewDistance]);```

I guess it does, because if I replace all trees in a forest the fps drop from 90 to 60

[empty aurora]

Do you, do you delete all trees after you get those and do simple objects over them.
Because your code looks like you just collect all trees and create multiple simple objects.

[stuck oyster]

can you even deleteVehicle map objects?

dont you need to hide them?

[grizzled halo]

that is correct, map objects have no ID and cant be deleted although I dont think ID would be the correct term, more like defined identifier since they change on each machine and on each session

[ruby lion]

{
_x hideObject true;
} count (nearestTerrainObjects [player, [], viewDistance]);

yea I hided them before 🙂

[ruby lion]

I hided them before and then replaced them with simpleobjects

I just think that geometry instancing doesn't gonna take place with editor placed objects, but Idk how exactly the renderer works

[stuck oyster]

that could be yeah

I dont think it is meant to have millions of objects on mission level

[stuck oyster]

Space Miller

[grizzled halo]

the shape of your visor reminds me of the Ludens from KojiPro

[gusty parrot]

anyone ever get this error when trying to do a stencil shadow lod? : Error: mantis\mantis_main.p3d: Opposite edge to P(2691, 2692) was not found - shadow geometry is not closed.
im not sure what im doing wrong...

also shadows dont show up for my object

so idk

[blissful spire]

If your in blender, check for open faces. Same in object builder.

[lusty ginkgo]

What is the protocol for handling the "ignore list in setup" error in pboProject if "Restore Defaults" for the exclusion list in settings doesn't fix it?

[stuck oyster]

Latest tools?

[lusty ginkgo]

yep

[stuck oyster]

do you have anything in the ignore list?

[lusty ginkgo]

It is default

[stuck oyster]

can you screenshot the settings?

you may need to complete verifcation at #✔role-selection to post pictures

[stuck oyster]

May need to ask Mikero if there is a bug.

[lusty ginkgo]

Could it be related to having my arma 3 tools installed on a different drive?

[stuck oyster]

should not

you could try repair the pboProject Install

[lusty ginkgo]

By reinstalling?

[stuck oyster]

yah

I just updated mine to latest

4.02

and seems to work normally

[lusty ginkgo]

oh well I already did that a few times

[stuck oyster]

then got to ask Mikero Id suppose. Maybe you found some rare bug

https://discord.gg/zGNpfgPN

[lusty ginkgo]

I guess I'll try

I just noticed the exclusion list changes I make don't stick

If I remove or add anything it resets the next time I open the settings, so that might be part of it

[stuck oyster]

oh

maybe some sort of user access issue

do you run admin account?

maybe something blocks the tools writing their settings

[lusty ginkgo]

I am the admin account and I have tried running all the tools as admin

do you know where those settings are stored?

[stuck oyster]

registry maybe?

those details are the kind Mikero is the best one to answer 😅

I just use the tools 😄

[real crow]

Hey peeps, i got a weird issue with my custom uniform: it has the necessary lods and it is weighted, but as soon as i start the scenario after having placed the unit, the unit with the custom uniform on will fall through the ground 💀

Might this be model cfg related?

[mossy mulch]

what lods do you have

[real crow]

Land contact (empty), res lods, geo lod, hp, memory and view pilot

And shadow lods

And firegeo

[stuck oyster]

this that mechy thing?

not normal man uniform

(always important to be precise in the description of out of commonly done things)

[real crow]

Mechy? It is my first time implementing a uniform, so I don’t know. I’m using an aplsa one donated by OokamiJamie, and the p3d was already prepared

Its a man uniform, soviet obr 43

[real crow]

Broblem was missing vert in land contact lod

it shouldn't be empty

[bright echo]

use the sample a3 character as a basis

99% of the techlods from it can be used unchanged

[lusty ginkgo]

Where does object builder store its settings?

[lusty ginkgo]

Computer\HKEY_CURRENT_USER\SOFTWARE\Bohemia Interactive\Object Builder\CConfig

for future reference

[stuck oyster]

did you manage to figure out why it dont save the settings?

[lusty ginkgo]

for pboProject? kinda. I got it working by fully uninstalling, reinstalling from old installers (so old tool versions), modifying the setup for pboProject on the old version, and then updating the tools via the all in one installer

it kept the settings from the older version, but also I can change them again now

[lusty ginkgo]

What are the controls to orbit the camera in OB?

[stuck oyster]

alt+right mouse down

[lusty ginkgo]

my left alt is broken

guess I didn't forget the controls after all lol

[stuck oyster]

xDDD

[stuck oyster]

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suit parts are in place

[stuck oyster]

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https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/446446342131417088/1269443197537615902/image.png?ex=66b0149b&is=66aec31b&hm=31567354bb42dd2e98292add69a658009b7ed75bc52bab684e0114ae97c85510&

The lootbox backpack variant 😄

[fluid copper]

Is this for your Lost Dragons project Goat?

[stuck oyster]

yes

[fluid copper]

Nice, looks great!

[stuck oyster]

the box backpack is a bit of half joke 😄

but it might actually end up being a real backpack for the mod 😅

[analog garden]

death stranding vibes

make a variant that's a delivery service lol

i didnt even realize y'all were still working on that but i look forward to seeing it in the future tbh

[stuck oyster]

just slow cooking it 😄

https://tenor.com/view/cooking-gif-4527592

[analog garden]

how long has it been now lol

[stuck oyster]

😅 just 10 years or so

time flies fast when your Dragons are lost

[analog garden]

holy moly

is it just u???

[stuck oyster]

me and my brother

but its more about having fun making stuff

not completion

[analog garden]

fair enough
still wild it's just two of u and it's been ten years of making stuff

[stuck oyster]

😄 its a process

and lot of redesign when better ideas come along

[analog garden]

all my brother wants to do is fly planes and be a lawyer u got the cool one wtf

[stuck oyster]

I took all the cool

sorry, not sorry

[analog garden]

😔

[stuck oyster]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/446446342131417088/1269723605487325204/image.png?ex=66b119c1&is=66afc841&hm=63a1c18bcbbc8a0e8ac1a1d07b0cd0a53abec860c58beeaaf948079de5c512f9&
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/446446342131417088/1269723605802025072/image.png?ex=66b119c1&is=66afc841&hm=65b68c911910682137e496e8682dc87206a40dbfe60ccb46c1698c231efaf59f&
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/446446342131417088/1269723606125117450/image.png?ex=66b119c2&is=66afc842&hm=5364690a04476a94b2def8eb9ed443940dc539048e159bb87e4a18b0cbdf15a1&

life support module enclosed in the back section

[stuck oyster]

(technically these are details that may not even be seen in game)

😅

[analog garden]

nahhh cmon just add a glass shield over it as a variant

[stuck oyster]

xD

thats not very good for protection 😅

[analog garden]

blehhh style comes over protection

Look at halo
Top of the line protection and drip

[stuck oyster]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/446446342131417088/1269786710674378844/image.png?ex=66b15487&is=66b00307&hm=6dfc7921eaae57547ad4cccca8ffe537074f2c509098170780d2b219e8beef08&

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/446446342131417088/1269790342496915579/image.png?ex=66b157e9&is=66b00669&hm=5f0cfdd88e7059ab67e144bcf8d313f6165592ddbc246e175d27ec197b7787c7&

couple of status lights to the machine and it has enough bits and bobs I think

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/446446342131417088/1269791388736815155/image.png?ex=66b158e2&is=66b00762&hm=47f3046094301328ee5935895bc648299797e317f05a64e256b94d07e4e64e11&
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/446446342131417088/1269791388996997232/image.png?ex=66b158e2&is=66b00762&hm=b5f1c39ed7b0c7a7549002d78ccd7adaa693525df37e346ed81d06f5128efdca&
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/446446342131417088/1269791582765318236/image.png?ex=66b15910&is=66b00790&hm=5d1155a86627b146757ce7ee3c644c9b9bdc2c98ae80a6ba6611d6b1cb3c9d3a&

[fluid copper]

That looks very cool but looks frustrating to weight paint

[stuck oyster]

It's pretty simple to paint/weight to be honest. And it's all done already.

[umbral shuttle]

Hello section count question.

lets say I have a vest thats just 1 UV. lets say teh selection in modelcfg are as follows

sections[]=
{
  "camo",
  "leftPouch",
  "centerPouch",
  "rightPouch",
};

to do retextures I would change camo, and the existance of leftPuch,centerPouch,rightPouch is to allow customization on the vest,such as say someone just wants to hide just the left pouch

hiddenSelections[] = { "camo", "leftPouch"};
hiddenSelectionsTextures[]= {"\path\to\texture"};

my question is, would this be 1 section (because only camo selection actually changes texture, or would it be 4 sections cause of the length of sections[] in model cfg?

[grizzled halo]

Its multiple selections with how you want to do it. I believe you actually need to set the hiddenSelectionsTextures paths array to the same texture in order to show all the selections like this.

[charred bolt]

sections in terms of performance discussion is actually from the p3d "section count", which is each unique combination of texture and rvmat.

Each section requires a draw call on the GPU iirc, so should be minimised.

[stuck oyster]

No must not have 2 sections cover same mesh

[charred bolt]

camo and zbytek...

[stuck oyster]

Hiddenselections sections*

Also NO HIDING MESH via textures

@umbral shuttle naughty naughty

[umbral shuttle]

its an old p3d 🙂

[stuck oyster]

Time to retire it.

[umbral shuttle]

Trying to, so then if no hiding mesh via textures, then how would u hide?

[somber stag]

I'm confused I see mods and retextures hide mesh via HS all the time, I thought that's what they were for really. How would you recommend hiding mesh components if not HS?

[stuck oyster]

U make variant p3ds

[stuck oyster]

Ye people make bad decisions all the time

[somber stag]

wouldn't that bloat your file size?

[stuck oyster]

I don't recommend hiding mesh component on this gs that are not designed for it

People are way way way too obsessed with variants

[somber stag]

for many Arma is just a glorified dressup simulator

[stuck oyster]

Sure

[somber stag]

we are essentially playing with barbie dolls lol

[stuck oyster]

And then they ask why their game runs so poorlu

[grizzled halo]

GI Joes pls

[somber stag]

whatever lets you sleep at night

[grizzled halo]

but yes, it bloats the size. Its still prefered over draw calls for invisible selections

[stuck oyster]

Also adding alpha to things that are solid introduces rendering artifacts

[grizzled halo]

like the see through concrete fences vanilla has, for example

or some poles from cup

[somber stag]

interesting, this has been a revealing conversation

[umbral shuttle]

so back to this part, for the example with the cube here
https://community.bistudio.com/wiki/Section_Count

Cube with 1 uv, lets say I have a selection for each face(face1,face2,...etc). in p3d its 1 section. So then how many sections would these be?

//1 section?
hiddenSelections[] = { 'camo'};
hiddenSelectionsTextures[]= {"texA"};

//1 section?
hiddenSelections[] = { 'camo',"face1", "face2","face3","face4","face5","face6"};
hiddenSelectionsTextures[]= {"texA"};

//2 sections?
hiddenSelections[] = { 'camo',"face1", "face2","face3","face4","face5","face6"};
hiddenSelectionsTextures[]= {"texA","texB","textB"};

[charred bolt]

If your base vehicle is common, you can hide variant differences using hide animations.
HiddenSelections are reserved for changing textures by and large.

[charred bolt]

Count the number of unique combinations of texture and rvmat I guess.

[umbral shuttle]

Okay so it could be a different number of section counts depending on what someone does in config, if they assign textures to those selections or not

[charred bolt]

Do you mean section count, or draw calls.

If you have 10 textures for camo, but only 1 is loaded at a time, it's presumably only 1 draw call, not 10.

[umbral shuttle]

I dont know anything about draw calls, so idk wat the difference would be tbh

[last spindle]

Time for some artstation linkage https://www.artstation.com/artwork/8mR6R not sure why the 3D Viewer is half way down the page

[analog garden]

I thought every new texture/property in RVMat was a draw call

[dark shore]

Hi any help with this

11:21:59: Warning: memory usage limited by a page file. Current limit 6107 MB, wanted 10513 MB.
2024-08-06 11:23:36,898 [WARN] 6: AddonBuilder.Tasks.ProcessBuildTask.process_ErrorDataReceived - 11:21:59: Increasing your page file size might improve game performance.

[stuck oyster]

You probably try to pack something you're not supposed to. Is it model related, no idea.

[keen sigil]

I'm looking to make a couple models for lighting for a Starsim community I'm with, but I just want to check if there's anything I should know about making lighting actually work in A3.

[rapid latch]

Hello. How make flag (static object and standard for unit) with physic simulation?

[stuck oyster]

you can find a sample of a flag in the Arma2 public released datapacks if I remember right

there is no exact guide for any of that though

also there is no straight support for hand held flag

so that will need scripting

[rapid latch]

Where can I find them?

[stuck oyster]

google should get you there

[dusty dove]

I am remapping a p3d file but still have some old paths...

config.bin:re-compiling prebinarised for external obfuscation checks...
jblm_hq_building.p3d:validating...jblm_hq_building.p3d: missing \rxo_office\textures\5_mauerzement_ca.paa
jblm_hq_building.p3d: missing \rxo_office\textures\1_wandstein_ca.paa
jblm_hq_building.p3d: missing \rxo_office\textures\9_dach_ca.paa
jblm_hq_building.p3d: missing \rxo_office\textures\3_zement_ca.paa
jblm_hq_building.p3d: missing \rxo_office\textures\4_hellerstein_ca.paa
jblm_hq_building.p3d: missing \rxo_office\textures\2_schwarzerstein_ca.paa
jblm_hq_building.p3d: missing \rxo_office\textures\10_details_ca.paa
jblm_hq_building.p3d: missing \rxo_office\textures\15_achtung_ca.paa

I did the ctr-A, then E to repath all the textures.

but there is still a few calling the old path.

[stuck oyster]

Repath how?

[lone robin]

I’ve ran into an issue that I can’t diagnose, when I go to place my most recent building in the editor the game just crashes and the rpt says nothing in terms of what caused. It’ll just say Fault. Is there a possibility that my p3d is somehow corrupted? I’m using Mikeros to pack and there were no errors

[dusty dove]

Changing the folder naming so I had to go in and change all the texture paths in the p3d file.

[dusty dove]

Have you tried running it as the only mod loaded?

[stuck oyster]

it is possible yes

did you make the building yourself?

[lone robin]

Yes

[stuck oyster]

is is somehow weird building?

something not considered within normal scope

[lone robin]

I wouldn’t think so, it’s a 10m long, 7m wide and 4m tall. It’s just a small house. I haven’t had this issue with my bigger buildings

[lone robin]

Same result when loaded by its self

[stuck oyster]

does it pack into pbo?

[lone robin]

Yes, no errors from mikero when packing

[stuck oyster]

then all I can think of is removing all but one lod from it and trying to start dozer again

then if it starts add in other lod and try again

repeat

also when you pack do you have some of the mikeros checks disabled?

or set as warnings

instead of errors that would halt the pack

can you also place it in game

[lone robin]

Everything’s fine in bulldozer, it’s when I place it in game is where the issue is. I’ll click on it in the editor then all it shows is the bounding box then the game crashes. I have everything set to warnings in pboProject and I get no warnings

[dusty dove]

But the old path is still in it somewhere, just don't know where.

[stuck oyster]

right ok, I misunderstood

then same debug, but pack and load in game

if nothing loads visually, maybe you have broken materials or textures on it

so could also try removing all of assigned materials and see if it loads like that

and check if rpt log has anything

[lone robin]

This is all I get

[stuck oyster]

did you do any debug removing yet?

basically

simplify until it works

then add stuff back until it breaks

theres isnt really anything we can debug from this

Dedmen could maybe see what breaks from the minidump crash file

but that would be maybe and tomorrow or later

[lone robin]

I removed all textures and I'm still getting the same result, thank you for the help. I'll keep messing around with it

[stuck oyster]

ok first validate config by using some exisitng p3d that you know works on it

then start stripping the new p3d

also remove model.cfg from it

strip to bare bones and build up part by part

[lone robin]

Will do, thank you. I thought I had my flow down pretty good at this point lol

[stuck oyster]

its probably something silly

[wraith tendon]

The Beercan is back \o/

[celest arch]

The only Beercan I know is the one I stick into a chicken ass before grilling it

[wraith tendon]

ewwww

[finite stump]

Anyone have problems with pboProject where it packed your project fine then when you add something new and repack it it finds all kinds of errors on stuff that previously packed without errors?

Im getting errors on the models where it never gave errors before

[charred bolt]

If you built the project with a previous version of pboProject that had less error checking than the current version and not doing a "full build", it might have been using the cached file, until you added something new which forced it to discard the cache and rebuild from scratch. Regardless, best to address the new errors, rather than wish they were still hidden or unknown.

[lone robin]

Quick follow up from my conundrum, I re-exported everything from blender and somehow that fixed my issue. Sometimes arma just doesn’t like to comply lol.

[stuck oyster]

👍

[storm wave]

Any tutorial simple a to b

[lone robin]

Did you make your blender donut ?

[storm wave]

bruh

just a cube for now

get to modeling later

you need to first eat a cubumber bifor you make a pizza

[lone robin]

Are you just trying to get a cube in game ?

[storm wave]

yeah

for start

just make cube

[white oak]

The fuck does that even mean
Specific things you need to do to get an object in arma does not take long but guess what
Those specifics need you to have common 3d modeling knowledge
So kindly, go off and learn modeling/blender first

[storm wave]

lol

i need to know how to connect it to arma 3

i have the model and the texture

now i need the arma 3 side of things

it would be very nice to just get a simple structure and let me fill it in

[lone robin]

Did you buy it or make it ?

[storm wave]

i made it

in sketch up i make a room exported as dae imported exported as obj to blander imported to object builder exported as p3d dont know how to cuntinou from there

[lone robin]

Without getting into other things, which are very important if you want a working model, what you have currently is just a resolution LOD. Your textures must be set up for arma, you have to creat an .rvmat for your materials. The p3d needs a config.cpp to be read and then properly packed into a pbo.

[storm wave]

yeah thanks

where do i learn thet

[lone robin]

Arma 3 samples, BI Wiki pages

[wise coral]

my 3rd person view distance inside this object is too far. How do I change that distance? do I go to ViewCargo instead of ViewPilot? or is there a way to change that distance in viewpilot?

[rapid latch]

Is it possible to add a model of weapons on a pylon if the pylon is not added to the vehicle model?

Let's say by setting the model to the position I need relative to the 0 coordinate

[rapid latch]

Or will the model not be displayed at all?

[stuck oyster]

vehicle will need pylon proxies for the pylons to work

a pylon position can be expanded by another pylon that then has more slots to add more weapons to though

[rapid latch]

And if I only need it to add customization?)

[stuck oyster]

I dont understand what kind of system you try to make

so you may need to explain in more detail what you try to do

[rapid latch]

        class Components
        {
            class TransportPylonsComponent
            {
                UIPicture="123\PYLON_PLACEHOLDER_EDEN_CA.paa";
                class pylons
                {
                    class Dozer_Pylon
                    {
                        hardpoints[]=
                        {
                            "Dozer_Hardpoint"
                        };
                        priority=1;
                        attachment=;
                        maxweight=1000;
                        UIposition[]={0.625,0.27500001};
                    };
                };
                class Presets
                {
                };
            };
        };

[stuck oyster]

I dont know if that can work

pylons might require the proxy to be present

[stuck oyster]

what for?

you cant really do anything with it

It may be easier to do it from 0

Theres couple of rules you need to follow

[storm wave]

how do i assing an rvmat to the object

[stuck oyster]

1. in the rig the weapon bone name needs to be correct and correspond to its name in model.cfg with character skeleton definition (sample character has one) as in it needs to be "weapon"
2. only thing that is read from weapon holding rtm is the left and right hand and fingers (from wrist forward) in relation to the weapon bone. all other hand and body movement is disregarded and the characters pose is used instead and blended with the hand positions
3. use mikeros pboproject to pack rtms and place the model.cfg with the chacter skeleton next to the rtms

@rapid ibex

[keen sigil]

?

[stuck oyster]

Theres probably everything you need to know

but like, without specific issue its too vague question

also starwars mods are prohibited on the plaform.

[bleak tangle]

If I'm understanding what you are asking it's the extCameraPosition https://community.bistudio.com/wiki/CfgVehicles_Config_Reference#extCameraPosition.5B.5D

[lone robin]

Assuming you have blender tools installed and a material assigned to your object, assign the arma 3 properties to your object
-Go to the material tab in blender and look for the rvmat properties
-paste the path of your rvmat into that.

[storm wave]

how do i assigned materials to me object

[wise coral]

ill take a look. thank you

[stuck oyster]

you got to do more basic blender tutorials

[storm wave]

what does it have to do with blander

[stuck oyster]

did you not want to assign material to it?

[storm wave]

i need to do it in blender and then export as obj?

[stuck oyster]

Simplest is to get the arma toolbox addon and set up stuff in blender in the source and export directly as p3d

[storm wave]

nice thanks

where can i learn how to use thet

[stuck oyster]

do you know how to use blender already?

[storm wave]

not really but i think if i did i would need to learn the plugin too

[stuck oyster]

it helps to learn blender too so you understand how things work

plugin will just confuse you

Im pretty sure weve been over the "learn basics first" quite many times already

I would have hoped you had learned that already

[rapid latch]

Do I need to modify the model.cfg from arma 2 when used in arma 3?

If so, what needs to be changed?

[charred bolt]

Here is a link with information about what the model.cfg needs to contain
https://community.bistudio.com/wiki/Model_Config

[stuck oyster]

depends if something is broken

that inheritance likely does not exist in arma3

so it looks rather incomplete

[stuck oyster]

missing that category config you try to use

[storm wave]

can you give ones i can use

pleas

🙂

[stuck oyster]

look into the vanilla configs

[storm wave]

where?

[stuck oyster]

if you use proper inheritance from existing assets you dont have to redefine any of that

and you can use ingame config viewer for example

[storm wave]

the existing assets are 1000 lines long

[stuck oyster]

so?

[storm wave]

nice fixed thet thanks

but object not showing in game

btw chacked all catagorys

[stuck oyster]

dont put on any filters on the search

[empty aurora]

Without content it's hard to say where your issue is.
I know it's long, but even share 1 object config.
And make sure you have cfgPatches defined your units.

[stuck oyster]

and static objects would be in the yellow list

[stuck oyster]

well something wrong with you config most likely tehn

[storm wave]

can it be with the object itself?

or just the config

[stuck oyster]

more likely config

[storm wave]

thanks

if its not to much can you tell me what could me the object not show like thet if its the objects problam

[stuck oyster]

dont know

[stuck oyster]

land is probably not right class to inherit from

[storm wave]

any idea

[stuck oyster]

look at the house sample and use same inheritance its config has

[storm wave]

where

[stuck oyster]

in the arma3 samples on steam

[storm wave]

workshop

ok

[stuck oyster]

steam

not workshop

use google

[storm wave]

got the object in game but there is no culisson accept of granads and the hole in the stracture dosent act as a hole too

[stuck oyster]

you have not made geometry lod correctly then

[storm wave]

i did like the video

[stuck oyster]

well you did something wrong

or the video is wrong

if not work

mistake has been made

[storm wave]

how does it look?

[stuck oyster]

wrong

[storm wave]

where

pleas

[stuck oyster]

geometry lod requirements are listed in the pinned messages

start from there

[storm wave]

@stuck oysteri think my objectbuilder is massed up

load test house p3d in game works nice

opend in object builder rexported and then is dosent work

[stuck oyster]

export in object builder?

what button do you press for that

[storm wave]

file

export

p3d old version

did save olso

same thing

[stuck oyster]

save as is the right thing

export old is not

[storm wave]

why it has this lines

there is a problem in game

i can walk trow the stracture

but i did add geometry

• fire phys + shdow + view

[stuck oyster]

thats just feature of the shadow casting

[stuck oyster]

for buildings you dont need shadow lod. you can use sbsource=visualEx named property

[storm wave]

i dont know what sbsource=visualEx means

[stuck oyster]

google it

you also need to learn multimaterial so you get right kind of shader on the walls

[storm wave]

what about the walkable starcture

[stuck oyster]

wiki has some explanations on what each lod do

check that out

and study the sample house

[storm wave]

i had a starcture thet wasent walktrow able

but this one is

[stuck oyster]

then you made a mistake with the geometry

[storm wave]

@stuck oysteri can get the cube in game with everything but not any other model

[dusty dove]

Anyone here good with doors?

[charred bolt]

If you have a question, just ask, and anyone that knows the answer will reply.

[dusty dove]

I have a p3d building model, but the door animation appears to be broken. Was wondering it someone could help me out.

[charred bolt]

Give details of what is broken and what you have tried

[marsh canyon]

You can't pay for an Arma ready content, but yes: #creators_recruiting

[drifting nova]

@unborn widget apologies for ping, but I'm looking through your github and I can't find the STANAG 20rnd mag, are they not available there?

[bright zodiac]

does anybody know how to take vest/helmets/nvg models from the game and edit them to your own liking on blender?

like this for instance.

[marsh canyon]

So you mean you want to export P3D to Blender? No that's not possible

[finite stump]

So is the wiki right in that its 50m from center for Geometry limit or 50m total across?

[white oak]

50 from center is the hard limit, but I'd suggest sticking to less than 40 as going above that risks the object not working on some maps
This is for the xy axis, feel free for Z
Or just cut up the object, its rare that you'd need a single object specifically when you can just cut it up and keep all function

[stuck oyster]

50 accross.

Is what I'd recommend

You can pretty easily try it out and see the issues with walking on/into it

[analog garden]

proxies can load objects right

so why not proxy stuff to the edges to get it even bigger (or is this dumb)

[stuck oyster]

Because they don't extend the dimensions

[white oak]

Never tried, could work (nvm, got goated)
But why go all that trouble when you can easily split the object

[stuck oyster]

Don't work.

I assure you, this has been explored in the past 10 years

[analog garden]

yeah I know figured I’d ask 😔

[stuck oyster]

Proxy does not load as separate object

If it did, it might even work

[white oak]

Still want to explore creating randomness using proxies more at some point

[stuck oyster]

Just be aware of the possibility of performance costs 😅

[analog garden]

Me killing ppls GPUs and CPUs with everything I put in optre

[white oak]

6 min load time for a 4x4 terrain is completely normal

[stuck oyster]

Absolute

[white oak]

HG do you know if the init/Postinit EH activate on terrain baked objects?

[stuck oyster]

Init does not If I recall right. Postinit I don't remember

[cedar garden]

Is there anyway to pinpoint locations from Model Viewer into OB? Trying to setup memory points for animations, but my entire model moves

[stuck oyster]

I would recommend doing that in source model instead

easier to do with tools you have made the model in

though not quite sure what you mean but the whole model moving

[cedar garden]

It's for an atak

It flips out

[white oak]

do any eventHandlers work when baked to terrain?

[stuck oyster]

damage and killed stuff does

at least