arma3_model

[stuck oyster]

@frigid roost you can ask here, no need to DM me. this is the right place to ask

yes

[frigid roost]

Alright!

[stuck snow]

I just can't get it to work. Even using the examples provided by bi

[frigid roost]

So, I'm trying to open Arma 3 Samples with the direct access and steam acces and it's not working.

How can I use this?

[stuck oyster]

what do you mean its not working?

you need to open the folder

[stuck oyster]

you did have some stuff working earlier? whats not working exactly?

[stuck snow]

If I use a proxy mag instead of a mag in the gun.p3d the proxy doesn't show in game

[stuck oyster]

is it possible you have animation that hides it?

[white oak]

First set of many variants (hopefully)

[stuck oyster]

quite nice! does it have interior?

and multimaterial is used from the looks of it? 👍

[white oak]

Only the ground floor
And yup using a very "basic" multimat

Current idea is to make many combinations in 4 categories
Architecture/Shape/Color/Floors
So that I can get a wide set of buildings to build out cities

[stuck oyster]

👍 if you like to add some more details you could use 2 multimaterials too. 1 for non damaged yellow plaster and 1 for damaged plaster so you could change the damage patterning at will

or you could move the top part uv a little bit to the side to break the big damage mark from repeating

small things

[white oak]

Is there a limit to how many multimaterials can go to a model
These already have 2

[stuck oyster]

not really

the least you can use the best of course

[white oak]

Fairs

[stuck oyster]

but also devil is in the details

this water damage should maybe continue too

theres some great details happening here already

[white oak]

Oh these are 4 seperate buildings in a square pattern

Only difference here is the floor count

[stuck oyster]

aa

even better! 👍

though Id still continue the water damage 😅

[white oak]

Fair enough, just need a way to align them

[stuck oyster]

you can for example edit multiple selected objects together in blender and uvmap them together too

and that way snap their tiling mappings exactly aligned

[white oak]

I see

[fluid copper]

Your weights are messed up or theres no model.cfg file

[stuck snow]

isn't this the missing lodnoshadow 1 issue?

or no autocenter 0 in geo lod

[fluid copper]

@frigid roost You can use the sample model.cfg file

and just change the class name of it to match the p3d file name

[frigid roost]

That file is at "Arma 3 Samples", right?

[fluid copper]

ya, under the character stuff

[frigid roost]

Time to search on each character_ file

[fluid copper]

its the model.cfg file under "Test_Character_01"

[alpine matrix]

ive defined the muzzleFlash in the model

anyone got a clue as to why this could occur?

[inland pawn]

1. No hide anim in model.cfg
2. Muzzle flash proxy is apart of another selection

[alpine matrix]

im using the default weapon model.cfg

muzzle flash proxy isnt part of any other selection

[fluid copper]

option 2

[frigid roost]

Okay, What's next.

[fluid copper]

theres a class at the very bottom, change its name to the name of your p3d

[frigid roost]

pivotsModel="A3\anims_f\data\skeleton\SkeletonPivots.p3d";

This part?

[fluid copper]

no

[frigid roost]

lass Default
{
isDiscrete = 1;
skeletonInherit = "";
skeletonBones[] = {};

This?

[inland pawn]

Did you define the selectionFireAnim in Config

[inland pawn]

Where are you defining your model in cfgmodels

[fluid copper]

@frigid roost Bottom should look like this, change sHelmet to whatever your model name is

[inland pawn]

The p3d file name

To be more clear

Otherwise none of your model.cfg animations will work with your model

[frigid roost]

pain.

[frigid roost]

That goes into the Config.

[fluid copper]

the class sHelmet bit

[frigid roost]

class CfgModels
{
class Default
{
sectionsInherit="";
sections[] = {};
skeletonName = "";
};

class ArmaMan: Default
{
    htMin = 60;          // Minimum half-cooling time (in seconds)
    htMax = 1800;        // Maximum half-cooling time (in seconds)
    afMax = 30;          // Maximum temperature in case the model is alive (in celsius)
    mfMax = 0;           // Maximum temperature when the model is moving (in celsius)
    mFact = 1;           // Metabolism factor - number from interval <0, 1> (0 - metabolism has no influence, 1 - metabolism has full influence (no other temperature source will be considered)).
    tBody = 37;  // Metabolism temperature of the model (in celsius)

    sections[] =
    {
        "osobnost","Head_Injury","Body_Injury","l_leg_injury","l_arm_injury","r_arm_injury","r_leg_injury", "injury_body", "injury_legs", "injury_hands",
        "clan","clan_sign","Camo","CamoB","Camo1","Camo2","personality","hl", "injury_head", "insignia", "ghillie_hide"
    };
    skeletonName = "OFP2_ManSkeleton";
};

class Chale_Toki: ArmaMan{};

};

[fluid copper]

ya that looks right

[frigid roost]

That goes before or after

class CfgPatches

[fluid copper]

nono, the model.cfg file is seperate. It does not go in the config.cpp file

[frigid roost]

Okay so like this

[fluid copper]

you've cut the file in half... you need the skeletons bit at the top. It should literally be the sample file with the addition of class Chale_Toki: ArmaMan{}; inside the cfgModels section

[frigid roost]

Ohh ok

[alpine matrix]

yes

[frigid roost]

Like that?

[fluid copper]

dont really want to download that, try sqfbin

[frigid roost]

Alright.

[frigid roost]

I can send it mode C++ if wanted

[fluid copper]

haha, no I mean like pastebin, the website

[frigid roost]

OHH BRUH

MB

[frigid roost]

https://pastebin.com/ePM7JXNe

The link works?

[fluid copper]

yup, that looks good

[frigid roost]

https://pastebin.com/CHQ1QB3B

Can you check it?

I added an other .p3d

[fluid copper]

you dont need to copy paste the whole thing again, just add class Cint_Hiatus : ArmaMan {}; under the other custom class

[frigid roost]

Like this?

https://pastebin.com/4KxaaAAA

[fluid copper]

ya

[frigid roost]

How do I save it?

and where do I put it on the pbo?

[frigid roost]

Like format

[fluid copper]

as model.cfg, just put it in the same folder as the model

[frigid roost]

Same folder?

This one?

or the mod file

[inland pawn]

The model.cfg usually goes where your p3d is

[frigid roost]

Here then

[inland pawn]

Yes

[frigid roost]

Thx

[frigid roost]

I do have 2 problems now.

1st The belt doesn't want to go into the belt zone

2nd Some accessories are at the knee part

Do I need to add the view pilot to the 3d?

[inland pawn]

Then they aren’t apart of the correct selection

[frigid roost]

Can you explain me that please

[inland pawn]

For parts of a model to be on the player, they need to be apart of a certain selection that is on the ARMA man. So, you want a helmet? That would have to have the entire thing in a ‘head’ selection

[frigid roost]

That goes directly on the 3D file or on the config part?

[frigid roost]

Here

[inland pawn]

That part needs to be in the p3d itself

[frigid roost]

Separated or at only 1 only doc

[inland pawn]

What?

[frigid roost]

Like on blender

[frigid roost]

Only on 1 or it has to be 1-1?

I think 1-1

[fluid copper]

in blender its referred to as vertex selections

Another term adjacent to it is weight painting

[frigid roost]

Alright!

[gloomy hemlock]

what was an acceptable size for a pistol again?
Regarding tris/verts

[glacial compass]

Hello, I have an issue with a texture that appears translucent (and should not). the suffix is correct (I tried both _ca or _co), I tried without binarizing (in Addon Builder), but still the same.

[tranquil spire]

are you sure that the texture has 100% opacity?

[glacial compass]

https://imgur.com/a/jWyHKUM

[tranquil spire]

do you happen to have any sort of second material for your model that contains a texture that has an alpha to it?

[glacial compass]

In gimp yes

[glacial compass]

the visor is transparent and I moved it to the top

(in object builder)

[tranquil spire]

I'm not sure if it would break your visor transparency but try forcenotalpha = 1 in the named properties of your geometry lod

[glacial compass]

Thanks I will try

[stuck oyster]

is the visor separate texture?

[glacial compass]

yes procedural transparent

#(argb,8,8,3)color(0.5,0.5,0.5,0.15,ca)

[stuck oyster]

does the _co texture still have alpha channel although it has no transparent pixels?

[glacial compass]

Yes...... could it be that lets try!

[stuck oyster]

if it has alpha channel thats what is likely reason the engine still counts it as transparent surface

[glacial compass]

Compiling... sounds logical

does not seem to work if I delete the channel from the png so trying to export from gimp in rvb...recompiling

No it does not work I have the same issue

Will try the force not aplpha

Also, this transucent issue seems to be more visible depending on light è- could it be a RVMAT issue?

[stuck oyster]

if I remember right its basically issue with how the binarization flags the object/p3d as transparent or not

and thats determined by the amount of _Ca surface I think

[glacial compass]

I'll retry without binarized ticked

[stuck oyster]

no no

you will want to binarize it

did the forcenotalpha named property do anything?

[glacial compass]

No nothing

Just tried now

Wait.. i retry, there was a typo sorry

It worked!!!, but I have a coupleof artifacts now

https://imgur.com/a/2vAjhhh

Visor is still transparent, but the care has no texture trhrough it

while if I move the soldier, the soldier has textures

https://imgur.com/a/QWZR60m

And I have strange shadows, but I might sure to my RVMAT not being correct

[glacial compass]

It does work thanks and visor is still transparent, though with some strange artifact

[tranquil spire]

that seems to be the shadow of your object

so shadow lod not fully enclosed by the visual lod

[glacial compass]

Trying to work on the shadow

[stuck oyster]

you could also try adding a transparent texture for the visor instead of procedural color.

the procedural transparency might cause negative impact on the transparent or not flagging

so with a texture you might not need the forcenotalpha property as that property is likely what causes the jeep to not show correctly through it

[glacial compass]

I will try that

meanwhile, I scale the shadow lod to 0.9 and I have a n interesting issue:

https://imgur.com/5eSaHV5

https://imgur.com/cmW9vMt

When I move the APC a bit further, the texture (comes back)

[stuck oyster]

so scaling shadowlod wont likely work. youll have to actually remake it to fit

you might have also made it too simple so it cant follow the round shape of the helmet

[tribal rain]

Hey again so ive setup the Proxies how do i make it so the passengers can sit on top of the vehicle?

Like in the picture above but perhaps not as haphazard lmao.

currently they all sit inside the vehicle.

[charred bolt]

Add more proxies on the top of the tank. Use cargo proxies if you want them to be passengers, or gunner proxies with accompanying class Turrets if you want FFV (firing from vehicle).

[stuck oyster]

you will also need to either position proxies so that your selection of vanilla proxy stance animations fit or you need to create new animations that work with your proxy positioning

[tribal rain]

ok coolio cheers guys

[glacial compass]

Thanks a lot for your help I am trying few thinks and will let y'all know if it worked !

[glacial compass]

Ok so I fixed the shadow issue by making sure no textures of the model or the rvmat has an alpha channel (but I nevertheless still need the forcenotalpha property on)

But still have the problem with the texture of vehicles that are close. I am gonna try to use a texture file as suggested rather than a procedural one and see the outcome.

You both helped me very much!

[stuck oyster]

remember to delete the forcenotalpha propert when you test just the texture

you could also try making the visor separate p3d and adding it as a proxy to the helmet. 🤔 I dont fully remember if that worked though

[glacial compass]

I thought about making it an NVG as well, but that would make it disappear when in vehicles. We'll see for the texture

[stuck oyster]

no I mean just by adding the other modle to the helmet as a proxy part

not as a nvg or such

[glacial compass]

What puzzles me is that the artifact is appearing only for vehicles, at close distance

[stuck oyster]

proxies can be 2 things

the NVG, Head, Weapon proxies that define where engine connects things to

[glacial compass]

Did not know it was feasible

[stuck oyster]

or just plain model added to another

as a proxy that paths to the other model

it does not work in all situations

[glacial compass]

Might look into that actually, thanks

[white oak]

Is there a way to change the centerpoint of the object?

[inland pawn]

Center point?

[white oak]

Models have a center point, to be used as a reference for manipulations
Found a solution, disabling autocenter then changing the model

[west haven]

Okay, now that I've tested all the ammunition and it flies in the correct direction, now I need to make a scope

How should I best go about this?

Like is there a guide or someone who has done it before to guide?

[stuck oyster]

oh dear

xD

the madness that is autocenter

[stuck oyster]

many have made scopes but there are no guides

[white oak]

so far so good tbh

[stuck oyster]

yeah turning it off makes things so much easier 😄

for buildings

other things unfortunately require it to work

[stuck snow]

I mean arma 3 samples has a scope

Probably best option

[muted tapir]

what would those things be?

[stuck oyster]

Vehicles for example

[stuck snow]

What controls how the weapon goes on your back? like the position of it? It's inside my custom vest and I'd liek to move it back a bit

[marsh canyon]

Animation does

[stuck snow]

which animation would it be?

[marsh canyon]

Every animation

Or, to make it clear, it is human animation side. None of weapons tweaks it

[glacial compass]

Hello nice helping people! I tried using a texture file instead of a procedural one, and I still have the translucency issue if I remove the forcenotalpha. Initially I thought it was becausue of the hiddenselections I put in the model (have one model with the position up and down together as hiddenselections) that would increase the proportion of transparent (alpha) parts. I tried to remove one of the HS but stilll the same.

So I investigated a bit and seems that other models from other (more talented than me) modmakers have the same issue

https://imgur.com/0buLhwM

here for western sahara basic helmet with goggles

Thus seems a common artifact (as suspected by you above). Now I willl look into the proxy approach, but I might need to live with it.... What is the worst immersion breaker though? A big white patch when you are too close from a vehicle, or a translucency? - I wonder

[stuck snow]

so there is no way to changing it only when it comes to one vest? or would it be replacing the OFP2_ManSkeleton?

[marsh canyon]

If you really need to, you can. You will need to replace every vanilla animations which you don't want to

[west haven]

Yeah I'm not so sure how well this works since my optic is part of my model and this is for a separate detached scope that can be added, hence I'm wondering what exactly to do

Right now I'm using the RPG-32 as a placeholder but it lacks a few things I was aiming to add like a rangefinder

[stuck snow]

Wouldn't it be similar to ironsights setup? With eye selections in memory lod

[west haven]

I did set up that point and it does enter the RPG-32 scope, I'm just wondering if I have to make a whole new p3d for that display or not

[stuck snow]

I don't think so, I've seen a model with a scope on it before and it used selections don't really remember exactly what it did

[west haven]

Hm

I might have to peer into that ModelOptics folder to see how it's made

[stuck oyster]

So the weaponsinfo parameter is what dictates what special things your scope view has

Yours is using the default empty. But you can check other weapons if they have something suitable and try their RSC entry

Or make your own.

The model optics is the visual overlay and if you want to make a new different looking one, then that needs a new model. (no tutorial)
You can get example from the arma2 publid data packs if I remember right.

[west haven]

Yeah I was hoping to make a different visual overlay

since this scope is really a full fire control system and I was either thinking it has graduations to a high range and a laser rangefinder, or a dynamic-ish crosshair

[west haven]

actually I'm not sure, do I put this stuff here or in the config makers? I might draw up how it's supposed to look

[stuck oyster]

I'd suppose you can split it but the thing is 2 part. The model overlay that has the black border and Crosshair texture (modelOptics) and the dynamic ui stuff configs (weaponInfoType)

[west haven]

Is the modelOptics a 2d image? Is there more on this or is it guesswork to get it all together

The range graduations too

[stuck oyster]

It is a plane object. Though I suppose you could have 3d elements in it too.

[west haven]

Uh

So its a p3d

[stuck oyster]

yes

[west haven]

how big?

[stuck oyster]

uhh, someone was just making one some days ago if you scroll the history a bit

maybe they could share the model base

[supple tangle]

Anyone have a guide or anything like that for making custom hand gestures?

same usage as the ACE ones but just different movements

[stuck oyster]

dont think anyone has made any

[supple tangle]

what tools should I be using to accomplish this and what will this process look like roughly?

[stuck oyster]

well I suppose Blender is the simplest approach as there are community tools that can create the animation RTM files directly (Blender ArmaToolbox) and community made animation rig that can be used to make them. (Macsers Armarig)

you would make animations, export them in RTM and create configs that use your new animations as gestures and then do something for the ACE usability (config stuff you may need to refer to ACE documentation or devs for assistance with)

[umbral shuttle]

for model.cfg, is there an animationsource that tells if someone is aimming down sight?

[wispy monolith]

Might be able to make a custom one, not entirely sure how those work.

Is physx tanks sitting at an angle and sliding backwards sometimes a common issue?

It also flings itself off into the distance when I spawn it, but weirdly, if I spawn like 5, they all land in roughly the same spot.

[stuck oyster]

not common but probably result of missing essentials

[stuck oyster]

Dont think there is.

[humble haven]

Hello, i want to create a 3D cube and import it into the empty flat terrain. I am thinking of doing my own meshes in blender and maybe some interesting architectural stuff.

[stuck oyster]

you can look up Blender to Arma tutorials from El Tyranos and Sokolonko. Those could get you started. Also there are Arma 3 samples on steam you can study.

However since you are also starting terraining Id suggest focusing on one of these tasks first then coming back to the other

[bright echo]

nope - wish there was, could make aperture sights better without butchering them if there was

hell i'd be content with just a viewGunner lod or something that's used for optics view

[wispy monolith]

I'm working off of the physx config from the sample tank, following instructions from the tank physx guidelines on the wiki. I've tried looking at the vanilla tank configs for physx, even mods like RHS, but I have each line from those configs under the physx area. I know there are also selections necessary in the P3D, and I've done all of those including the centers and bounds, as well as the dampers on the wheels (defined in the model.cfg). What's most curious to ME is that it's standing up like that, like there's some bit of geometry that's propping it up. Nothing in the LODS that would be doing that tho...

Is there a shortlist of essentials that I could run it all by really quick? I'm not looking to make a perfect suspension here I'm basically just trying to learn physx

Whatever the very basics are is fine

[stuck oyster]

could be your physX wheels are not created in correct size

due to some error/typo/missing thing

you could try the diag exe from dev branch as it has some extra developer commands in use that can visualize things like how physX is behaving

if you pack up just the sample tank, does it work normally?

[umbral shuttle]

Yeah I wanted to have a sight that pops in and out when adsing

[wispy monolith]

Is there a config line that determines the size or is it just the actual model selection in the P3D?

[stuck oyster]

config parameter that connects to the memorypoints that define axis of the wheel and size of the wheel

[wispy monolith]

I assumed that was the "center" and "boundary" parameters

Which I've double checked, they were copy-pasted and only moved via X-axis so they should be PERFECTLY, aligned, I guess I can triple check to make sure none of them are grouped or something

[ember heart]

wip: https://embed.gyazo.com/6651ab0de426561a4b11bec530f8ea30.png

HP G.Mery, the rest myself

[shell sail]

So I'm working on this spotting scope that works like a turret(Ig that's a given lol) but I need a model.cfg for it

So how do I write that?

Or could someone point me in the right direction for a model.cfg for a turret like that

[bright echo]

id point to a static sample if there was one, so your best would be the tank sample

just omitting the 'moving' parts

and only focusing on the turret

[bright echo]

or the arma 2 ones

[woeful viper]

use arma 3 tank sample

[quick terrace]

UTTER shit :(

[past canopy]

PuFu any progress on that AS VAL?

[ember heart]

:;(

[quick terrace]

@past canopy - focus is on vss, as val will remain the same until i finish the whole pack...why?

@ember heart - crybaby :P

[glass pine]

Probably a silly question - is it possible to disable ambient occlusion on certain P3D's? I have a small number of models that don't seem to go together with it well.

[stuck oyster]

dont seem to go together with it how exactly?

First thing that comes to mind is you should fix your models so they work right. But if you explain what you mean perhaps better advice can be figured out

[glass pine]

I can't grab a screenshot at the moment, but essentially what happens is there's black "spots" that show up all over certain parts of the model when AO is enabled, pretty odd. I'm unsure if it's an issue with the UV map or something else.

[stuck oyster]

it likely means the engine counts your object as transparent due to large amount of transparent surface in it

not the place 😅 but also unlikely. #reforger_questions would be the place

[modest cliff]

@stuck oyster thanks mate. Il copy and paste and delete

[glass pine]

Ahhhh so that's it, thanks! Yeah, my model does have a lot of transparent surfaces. It's been plaguing a few of my models for a while and I've been unsure of how to fix it, but at least I know now.

Would setting the named property canocclude to 0 work as a temporary stopgap?

[stuck oyster]

no its not meant for that

there is forcenotalpha that affects it but can add artifacting on some semi transparent parts

you can scroll up a bit to see how it works

[glass pine]

I'll give it a try, thanks!

[terse elm]

anyone had an issue when configing a custom uniform/unit where in game it hides all the heargear options in the arsenal?

[stuck oyster]

Perhaps overwrite of some base class happens?

[terse elm]

fixed, not sure how i did it but its fixed haha

[modest viper]

Is there a way I can "lock" a certain portion of my model in Object Builder, so it only shows the polygons that are selected? Similar to the Eden editor where you can lock a certain layer that disables you from editing all objects within

[stuck oyster]

kinda but its a bit difficult to work with still. Id really recommend working such things in source model in better more modern 3D applications instead of OB

there is both hide/unhide and lock/unlock tools

[white jay]

@ember heart Did you texture using Substance?

or Quixel

[modest viper]

I'll probably do that, I'm just concerned I'd loose the scale and placement of the helmet im working on if I did it in Blender

[ember heart]

substance this time

[stuck oyster]

importing the p3d back to blender is a possibility too

but exactly because of this it is really recommended to do everything in the source model so you can always go back to it if needed

[tender hemlock]

No matter what I do, the screen is not fluent at all.How can I find a solution to this?

[stuck oyster]

what do you mean by fluent?

[grizzled halo]

is there a way to sequence model animations?

For example, something that plays on the reload animation going from
custom anim a to custom anim b all while still being in the phase for reload anim?

or is that something that should be handled using event handlers or cba?

[stuck oyster]

reload plays only the one anim set on it so no, chaining inside it does not work

what would be the exact use?

hypotheticals are difficult to answer and may not even be accurate to the intended use

[grizzled halo]

bolt actions levers, since I have to rotate and translate in the same action but playing only the translation after the rotation

[stuck oyster]

i dont follow what the problem is

you can animate all movement both in weapon and in the rtm just like you want between the 0 - 1 of the reload

[grizzled halo]

can a translation and a rotation be done in a single animation?

Can the translation be played only after the rotation?

I see what you mean, sorry for the obvious question

[stuck oyster]

no it may not be always obvious. but yes you can have any number of different movements between between 0 and 1 state of the reload action like turn0-0.3 slide0.3-0.53 turn other way0.45-0.6 slide back0.6-1.0

[errant forge]

who got a idea how i would be able to create the M1296 Dragoon for a milsim server i play on

[stuck oyster]

you choose 3D modeling program to learn to work with, then model said thing, then learn how Arma configs and models work, create configs and necessary technical model stuff and build that into an addon.

[errant forge]

oof and how much does it cost to get some1 to do it ? XD

[stuck oyster]

well you cant really pay for all of it since arma tools are non commercial so you would have to learn that part at least (or get extremely lucky to get someone do it for you free). Good quality vehicle on commssion could be something like 3-4k€ to begin with. with interiors and stuff a lot more

[tender hemlock]

PIP feature

RCWS displays are not fluent

[stuck oyster]

I dont know what fluent means in this context

do you mean smooth?

@tender hemlock

[tender hemlock]

Although I set the PIP feature to the highest, the image given by the mirrors is of poor quality.

[cedar coral]

@ember heart Nice job! Though you are going to add some dirt and grime to it, right? ;-)

[stuck oyster]

it is possible the vehicle is set with low resolution PIP in the model or config. Dont remember exactly where it was defined.

test if PIP looks better in other vehicles

[tender hemlock]

"it is possible the vehicle is set with low resolution PIP in the model or config." Where can i find it and fix it?

[stuck oyster]

I dont think its something you can fix without source files

[alpine bramble]

how can i rotate object from all sides instated of right and left

[stuck oyster]

in where? 😅

[alpine bramble]

object builder sorry for not giving more details

[stuck oyster]

ok, next Im not quite sure what you mena by all sides?

but there is a roation tool widget that you can type in rotation values for all axis

buut honestly I dont recommend doing heavy editing in OB

its always best to do edits in the source files in the modern modern 3d programs

[alpine bramble]

ok thank you

is blender good?

[stuck oyster]

what program did you use to model the thing you have?

[alpine bramble]

object builder lmao but i heard that some pepole use blender

[stuck oyster]

well yes Blender is good and has lot of Arma friendly plugins.

depends what you want to learn to use then

Object Builder can do a lot of things but is extremely difficult to learn since it has nearly 0 documentation

[wispy monolith]

Speaking of Object builder, buldozer is previewing my animation for a bolt-action working just fine, but then when put into game the animation off-sets almost like it's reading the wrong axis. I've tried screwing with the Autocenter property to no avail.

Oh, sidenote, Goat I fixed my physx issue, so thank you for helping with that.

[stuck oyster]

wee

[stuck oyster]

is that part of mesh in multiple bone selections?

[wispy monolith]

Shouldn't be, I've checked to make sure it's not in multiple selections or parented to anything

[wispy monolith]

Why is it that whenever I ask for help I then immediately find the issue, often before I even hear back

[stuck oyster]

👍 that is how it works

[grizzled halo]

I got a question regarding this:

Why does using translationX and rotationX (or any other axis binded movement) does not takes in consideration the begin and end phases for the model animation but using the non axis binded movement does? Is it intentional?

That was actually my issue, ditched the axis binded ones and it instantly worked as you mentioned it would work.

To put it into context, i was moving along an axis during a 0.08 phase interval but it was moving from the very beggining as is begin phase was 0 to up to 0.08 when the phases were actually 0.20 and 0.28

[stuck oyster]

dunno

I dont really use the X Y types ever myself

[grizzled halo]

I see, i will stick to those basic movement types then. Was following along ElTyranos weapon import video but its a bit old at this point so it might be outdated

[stuck oyster]

you might want to use min/max value instead of phase

[tender hemlock]

I wanted to say this

Did you see the difference?

one gives a more fluid image than the other

[stuck oyster]

well it could be configured that way. idk. You should probably ask the mod maker

[tender hemlock]

here's the problem i'm the mod maker 😄

[tender hemlock]

thank you for your time

[plucky depot]

You have more PIP screens in your vehicle.

IIRC game has limited time for PIP render to keep the framerate somewhat playable, so the more of the PIP cameras on your vehicle the less time each of them gets => lower framerate

[tender hemlock]

Thank you, I will try to implement what you said.

[woeful viper]

@ember heart very nice. There's some slight clipping on the strap on the upper right though

[wraith tendon]

wow oO 1 Restart gave me that (0 Messages before):
Warning: UV coordinate on point 1482 is too big UV(142.386993, 6.437750) - the UV compression may produce inaccurate results

wth?

[white jay]

yeah ODOL file format (I think since v42?) employs a UV compression. the bigger the scale the more inaccurate it gets

[wraith tendon]

Strange this is: I didn't touched the Models for a few weeks. Now that appears, after i restarted oO

[white jay]

do you get this in rpt or from binarize?

[wraith tendon]

Nope, when opening Bulldozer in TerrainBuilder

Almost every model i imported from A2 seems to have that Prob now.

Re-Packing it again atm

[grizzled halo]

is there any attribute or special property to control the time of ejection of the cartridge from the ejection port of a weapon?

[stuck oyster]

it can perhaps be controlled through the particle effects config

[grizzled halo]

is there any info on the possible classes for a weapon besides the sample?
Im assuming it can be modified as you mention as i've seen the class for particles but i haven dwelved in it

[stuck oyster]

the particle effects and such do go into the deeper undocumented level Im afraid

each effect has its own class in the configs and the weapons call upon them.

[plush trail]

hello are there any model samples?

also is there a way to duplicate a memory point

[stuck oyster]

Arma 3 samples on steam.
memorypoints are just point in model they can be manipulated same way any points can

[plush trail]

So the p3ds in samples are unbinarized?

[stuck oyster]

yes

[plush trail]

Oh ok

I tried to duplicate one with copy paste but the little cross thing didn't get copied

[stuck oyster]

paste would put it in same place

[wraith tendon]

hm, the Proxys generating those things.

[icy dirge]

Hey guys i've got a problem with Textview 2 When i drag my png file and save it, its getting fuckes up so it moves automatticly to DTX

[wraith tendon]

Resolution of the Texture?

[icy dirge]

Nvm found the problem i saved it wrong from photoshop

[plush trail]

if I have a light memory point and want to duplicate it with copy paste will get me a second l_light?

or if not what name would I get

[livid canyon]

in object builder you get another vertex, at the same position, also in the same selection.
if you want a new selection name, may be best to copy, make new LOD, paste there, change selection name, copy that, paste back in memory.
If you do it all in memory you'll have to redefine the original selection.

[plush trail]

ok

thanks

[plush trail]

I put a new memory point on my mig-29 project (copied over the ejections from test_plane and now it's all white

I'm loading the unbinarized for the testing. Do you think that's the issue

I only added the pos_eject and pos_eject_canopy memory points and moved them a bit above the plane

[white oak]

When there's a fire geometry LOD, does Geometry no longer stop bullets?

[inland pawn]

Geo is only used as fire geo if there is no fire geo. If your model has fire geo, then it uses that. Be sure your fire geo matches the requirements

[grizzled halo]

in order to define hiddenSelections[] in a weapon, do i need to follow a special procedure or just including my selection names in my array is enough?

[charred bolt]

Also put the selection name in model.cfg sections[]

[grizzled halo]

thanks brother

[wise coral]

ok so im not much of a model artist but im trying to figure out this config i have for multiple images im using for billboard using an Arma3 blank billboard. I'm placing them but when i get in game they're all blank without the images I put in the config

is this a question for here or scripts?

[wide viper]

I'm making an improved warrior IFV for arma, the model is done as is most of the code. Snagged a bit on the model.cfg anyone got any idea how to do those effectively?

[stuck oyster]

There are examples in the Arma3 samples on steam that should give you some direction ehn combined with the model.cfg wiki page

[wide viper]

Yes everyone keeps saying that

But it doesn't make it work any more

If I could attach an image I'd show you

But the muzzle flash won't turn off for the main weapon

[stuck oyster]

Best way to start with it is from blank file. Don't just copy paste existing modelcfg as then you don't understand how the parts work together.

Also you will want to use buldozer preview through Object builder to verify the model.cfg works

Start derom something simple enough like a turret and create a cfg Skelton with single bone that is named same as your turret selection in the model and single set up the cfgmodels class with correct naming (same as your P3d name) and add single animation for rotating the turret (tank sample has that for example)

Usually people try to rush this without learning to understand how it works

[wide viper]

Honestly I just want the thing to work, I don't exactly get too much free time so it'll probably take a while to do.

At least when I get it, it'll be easier next time XD

[stuck oyster]

it takes what it takes. cant rush these things, that is just waste of time

one piece at a time

[stone cargo]

I got a question about p3d geo lod limitations

i've heard that you can't make a geometry lod larger than 50x50x50m. Is that because there is a box around the model space which cuts off 50m in all directions from the center....

OR

is that a limitation on an individual basis per geo lod component?

[stuck oyster]

the first one

but its not a box around the model space

it has to do with how terrain grid works and how object collision calculation works in tiles

and when object is in a tile

then it will be detected by things in that tile

and tiles around it

[stone cargo]

So the tile is 50mx50mx50m. Does that mean the whole geo lod breaks

or just whats not in the tile, doesnt generate?

[stuck oyster]

it means that beyond the next terrain grid the collision wont work

50x50 meters is considered safe

there can be some variation but commonly larger things dont work very well

[marsh canyon]

I heard there is no height limit?

[stuck oyster]

have not come up with any

buut the bigger the object the larger simulation sphere it has

big enough object and its always being calculated

[marsh canyon]

AFAIK Contact's biggest Alien Ship does have like 200m height

[stuck oyster]

it is more a distant visual entity though, it does not even need collision for its purpose

[marsh canyon]

True point, but it does have some collision

[stuck oyster]

it could be done in the safe limits for sure

[last spindle]

You will find a answer here. But the correct place would be in scripts or configs

[plush trail]

hi

[plush trail]

about this what is the issue?

[stuck oyster]

No idea. Could be related to not binarizing it. Do you even use P drive? Probably something messed up the paths.

[echo violet]

I think there is a problem with the transfer. Usually the file sizes are between 0kb and 5kb, why is it like this, I wonder what am I missing...

[stuck oyster]

What is it you try to do?

0 size P3d indicates there is nothing in it so if you are trying to export a P3d from Blender that means the export fails due to error or because you have not set anything to be exported (Arma properties)

[plush trail]

no I don't have a P drive

I load the files from within my disk

but the mlod is in the mod folder with all the textures

[stuck oyster]

Honestly I don't know how to debug that workflow.

[plush trail]

I can show you how stuff are if you want

[shell sail]

How do I rescale an object in OB?

By numbers

Like i wanna change it from like a 1

to a 1.5 maybe

[stuck oyster]

there is scale tool dialog

what are you trying to scale though?

it usually can break a lot

[shell sail]

A ladder

It's a bit small

I can just bring it into blender and rescale

[stuck oyster]

I do recommend editing in source model and easier to use tools

[grizzled halo]

Regarding proxy visualtization in object builder:

For testing purposes (especially when you are repositioning magazine) it is good to directly link in proxy to p3d containing your magazine so you can easily see it in buldozer

Does this mean i can see proxy objects in buldozer in order to make it easier for me to adjust?

If so, how do i do it?

[empty vigil]

create a new proxy
once it is created, the new proxy come with its own normalized section
right click in the selection and select rename
change the path of the desired p3d model to the one you want, keep in mind it must be startingbwith the P drive

sorry for my bad english btw

[grizzled halo]

thanks. Is there any section on the wiki that mentions this?

[empty vigil]

nope, there's one that explain how magazine proxies work but proxy in general are a dated thing that nobody really bothered to talk about because all modders get to know about it by playing around with it

all you need to know about proxy is very simple : if you want to see whatever model you've set as proxy in bulldozer, make sure their path is from the P: drive

[stuck oyster]

👆 this, though it works on unbinarized p3ds as proxies only if I remember right

[empty vigil]

nope, i justed it now

all p3d can be visualized

case on point, Arma 3 vanilla helo, binarized p3d file

as long parent directory is P: you can see everything

[stuck oyster]

they open up in dozer yes

but not in OB views

[empty vigil]

it really help when you make your own model and need a reference or size

[stuck oyster]

witht he show proxy objects

[empty vigil]

ah yes, i though you meant in bulldozer

[stuck oyster]

no, dozer loads it all

[empty vigil]

👍

[grizzled halo]

so to recap, i create a proxy and as path I use my p3d in in P drive

visibility in ob will be dependant on binarization and display should be ok as long as i set the proxies to show for object builder and bulldozer

correct?

[tranquil spire]

oh this is great, didnt know it was an option

[vast tulip]

Heyo guys, im working on a "animated grass" object per say, and im trying to bruteforce it into working. currently im up to a stage where my grass planes are causing my model to turn partially see through, any ideas on how to fix that?

its hard to tell on the angle, but the planes are CA textures and make the whole thign slightly transparent

[stuck oyster]

Geometry named properties from the rice field dyke object in SOGPF

which is pretty similar to what you got

the forcenotalpha should do it

[vast tulip]

it did fix the issue but made another, its now making a weird outline on my grass

[stuck oyster]

means you have white background from under the alpha bleeding on the color

[vast tulip]

hmm, is there any way to fix that? i pathed to teh vanilla textures

[stuck oyster]

might need to make a copy and edit them

[white jay]

Anyone know the max number of Vertex per model for character items?

[stuck oyster]

it varies quite a lot, what kind of stuff are you looking into making?

[quaint stream]

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[stuck oyster]

there are quite a lot of information about that in the BI forums editing section history and there are couple of tutorial series that could be useful for you but I think there may not be any complete vehicle tutorial out there. at least cant remember any off the top of my head

Look up El Tyranos and Sokolonkos tutorials for starters at least

as to importing things, the basic blocks are same for everything

so learning to get something in game eventually leads to understanding how the stuff works and then being able to import anything

[grizzled halo]

thank you, quite simple indeed but a note about it somewhere in the wiki could be useful

[stuck oyster]

there are quite a few note worthy things missing from there I guess 😅

[grizzled halo]

gonna ask Lou if this could be included into that magazine proxy section, for it to be atleast mentioned somewhere

done, asked in #community_wiki

[muted tapir]

so if collision breaking is related to terrain cells, then models that are larger than the safe size that are scaled down to below the safe size (using setobjectscale) should have working collisions, right?

[quaint stream]

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[little sky]

has anyone made the patriot missile launching station before?

[stuck oyster]

Dunno. Maybe. Runtime scale change is pretty untested feature.

[feral cave]

so im working on this helicopter model, and i cant remember how to fix this visual bug ive run into in the bulldozer, where some object behind glass don't actually appear properly, any ideas?

nvm fixed my issued thanks to this post ^

[white jay]

Vests, helmets, backpack, general clothing, maybe weapons....

[stuck oyster]

well you never want to go to a "max" in game models. Rule of thumb is always "as few tris as you can make it"

uniforms could go say 5000 tris

vests 3000

helmets 1000 ish

[grizzled halo]

are weapons in Arma 3 accurate sized or are they perhaps slightly bigger than their source material?

I have some models made by real life standards and when compared to weapons already ingame their proportion seem off

[stuck oyster]

accuracy varies.

commonly things made in real size should fit

[grizzled halo]

they do, actually mags seems to be more accurate sized since they fit a lot of stanag magwells

just wondering if I was going crazy or if the spar-16 was huge compared to a standard m4

xD

[marsh canyon]

Is there any way to let my alpha texture'd polygon behind a glass looks normal? Similar to this situation

I'm making a facewear kind of model, which has alpha textures. Heard is more of a glass (in this case the car) side of issue, so not fixable?

[wise coral]

thanks P1nga

[stuck oyster]

Alpha sorting is the thing that could perhaps help with that

[grizzled halo]

Can weapons be built out of proxies?

I know you can do base vehicles that add or remove stuff using proxies, can the same be done with weapons?

For example, I have multiple weapon variants that have different components, but each p3d has the base + the components as selections.
Would it be possible to make a single base "stripped" weapon and then use proxies to create the additional components so its easier to texture each component globally?

That said, does using proxies decrease the polycount of a p3d since the additional components are rendered in a different p3d file?
Im sorry if this questions seems pretty obvious for the veterans, but the google-fu doesn't really throw relevant info.

[stuck oyster]

weapons need to be all one mesh and only the attachment/magazine proxies work on them (engine feature proxies)

thing about variants is that

well

there is the question of what is too much

😅

variant blindness is a thing when creating stuff

[grizzled halo]

and im not even nearly done, they all share the same base since they are based on the same weapon, but they become "different models" itself since they are used for different roles, its not just the case of "this weapon has an MOE stock, oh this one has magpul rails, of this one has MLOK handguard etc"

[plucky patrol]

Question, regarding a model, There is an optimal poligons number or quads number for the model to not cause FPS drop ? Becasue I a have fps drops on my model. My model has around 28k vertexs and 35k faces and triangles around 57k

[grizzled halo]

Considering this, what does the engine considers a single mesh?
A model made from scratch in a literal single mesh in the modelling software or a model that can contain multiple selections/meshes in a single p3d?

[stuck oyster]

it varies between object types and sizes but 50-60 tris should not be a problem really

but you do need the reduced distnace lods so at long distance it not necessary to draw all the 60k tris

[plucky patrol]

well my fps drop from 200 to 19 when i change the view to model

and if a put a standard car and look at it fps drops are very little

[stuck oyster]

then you have done something else to it that breaks it

are you sure the tri count is actually 57k

and not like 570k

did you make the model?

does it use 100 different textures?

[plucky patrol]

nop I did not make the model I have imported it but in blender It tells me that it has Tris: 45k

it has 43 textures files

[stuck oyster]

oof

yeah thats not a good model

Id say best to put that one away and make new one that is properly set up

[plucky patrol]

I can modify it if know what the problem is, faces, or tris or number of vertexes or number of textures

[stuck oyster]

probably a combination of things

its not really possible to say for sure but definitely the model is not made for game use

and in my experience fixing a bad model takes same time or longer than making new one to proper specifications

[plucky patrol]

😦

[white jay]

Are the new sample models for 1.54 released yet?

Talking about soldiers with new selections like "face_hub".

[celest arch]

Question: what would be the best approach for achieving slightly glowing trees? I'm talking about radiations and chemical pollution, but don't know if thats something do-able

[abstract mirage]

P1NGA Is there a channel for configs? I don't see one.

[quick terrace]

RVMAT with emission turned up

@celest arch - that would be the best bet, not really certain what shader trees use

[white jay]

@celest arch
Probably with emmisive[]={255,255,255,255};, which makes the texture ignore darkness and shadows.

But I doubt the tree shader supports this

[celest arch]

I am planning to create all new trees, without leaves to avoid shadows, so yeah thanks I'll try that rvmat emmissive property

that way I should be able to avoid the specific tree shader right?

[quick terrace]

@white jay - treenofade

[white jay]

Maybe the tree shader is no issue. Just the first possible problem that came to mind. No tree glows

[quick terrace]

shader for trees support emissive

[white jay]

^

[quick terrace]

https://community.bistudio.com/wiki/Material_-_Tree

[celest arch]

thanks

[quick terrace]

https://community.bistudio.com/wiki/Material_-_TreePRT

[white jay]

I feel the sudden urge to make a christmas tree

[celest arch]

:D

[quick terrace]

when i get home i can check more "internal" info about it, but that should be a good start either way

the issue with trees is not the shaders/material files

but the way the normals should look like

only a couple of ppl within arma got those right irc

[celest arch]

I can't expect to be the 3rd one, but I can try

[quick terrace]

of course - i don't remember nicknames right now

but there is info on the subject on BIF and polycount

http://www.armaholic.com/page.php?id=13224&highlight=FOLIAGE

search his posts on BIF and polycount, there are also links towards what i am talking about in the bottom of the above link

[celest arch]

I think what I need is less complicated, given I don't need foliage

It would be just the wooden parts, as I'm talking about dead trees

[quick terrace]

ahhh, you mean only branches and trunks

yeah should be easier then

[celest arch]

I'll start experimenting now, creating various rvmats on a single mesh and testing them all together

[quick terrace]

yeah it is a pity you cannot control the emissive parts via textures per see

[white jay]

How would that work?

[quick terrace]

what do you mean?

similar to how other engines deals with this

[white jay]

Having the emissive parts in the diffuse/texture

[quick terrace]

i mean emissive being driven by a texture file

dunno, could be a greyscale map, could be a RBG(A) map

[white jay]

Yeah. That makes sense.

Alpha channel isn't used at all in _co.paa I think

[ember heart]

yeah only way would be assigning the glow mat to to the specific parts of the mesh

@white jay it is

[white jay]

co?

[ember heart]

yup

in fact I dont use _ca at all anymore as it gives very strange artefacts

[quick terrace]

so the mesh itself needs to have the parts already done for it to be assigned

@ember heart - you need ca for decals and glass mats either way :P

[ember heart]

i think only for hiding water you should use _ca

@quick terrace no I actually dont think so

_co seems to work just fine

[quick terrace]

ahh, sorry, read only from your comments downwards

[ember heart]

but any _ca file will hide water!!!

[quick terrace]

really? the CO texture if you let it O2 convert it by default will remove the alpha layer

will be RBA insteand of RGBA

i know of the water issue

[ember heart]

I am 99% sure it wont remove the alpha

TexView doesnt do it

[quick terrace]

hmm, will check laters i guess

[white jay]

By strange artefacts, do you mean a blue glow on the border of the alpha parts?

[ember heart]

in anycase using _ca makes the parts that have that texture shimmer when particles pass through it and shadows do not work

[white jay]

Especially when looking at other alpha textures?

[quick terrace]

anyhow, the whole idea is about being able to drive emissive values out of a texture file, which is not possible, which in return means you need a lot of aditional detail in the mesh if you want let's say a bleeding tree

[ember heart]

@white jay nope i mean the last comment i wrote

[white jay]

k

[quick terrace]

or you use a ca texture for some sort of decals

@ember heart - i told you before, if you want the shadow to pass through the ca texture (afaik the lights doesn't go through co + alpha either)

you need a special shadow lod

[ember heart]

yah but this is not about it throwing shadow, but rather receiving shadows from other elements

[white jay]

This cockpit uses 2 textures, one emissive and one not emissive.
http://i.imgur.com/Jz7kfSP.jpg
It would've been super helpful if you could put the emission into the texture.

[celest arch]

so if I got it right, emmissive won't affect nearby objects right?

[white jay]

it won't

[celest arch]

yeah so I need something to do it

[white jay]

From what I can tell it only ignores darkness

So in sunlight there is no difference and in the dark it looks like at day

[celest arch]

what if I proxy a chemlight?

[white jay]

Then you have a huge amount of light sources

If you want to make a whole forest of these trees

[celest arch]

well yes, some of them can have the light source some not

we have no other light sources on the terrain, so that might be affordable

[white jay]

Maybe look into street lamps to make the light source. Would be better than a chemlight or sqf lightsource I think

[celest arch]

but afaik street lights only force you on having a topdown light source

which wont work well in my case

[white jay]

Dunno

[celest arch]

http://i.imgur.com/rp24JNe.jpg

chemlight proxy is ignored apparently

[white jay]

@celest arch Spooky scary trees

[celest arch]

http://i.imgur.com/AfRH06y.jpg

[empty vigil]

43 texture files
holy fuck lol

try with that first, red oyour UV maps and texture

there's no shame in your model not looking absolutely good, it's arma 3 after all not NFS

[icy dirge]

Damn

[grizzled halo]

for view-pilot LOD for weapons, is removing the faces contrary to the vision/camera of the player a good idea or should this be acounted for with a specially made mesh?

[stuck oyster]

I would not really remove faced since animations can show weapon from any angle in some occasions.

[empty vigil]

you can if you want but it's not needed

just make sure to remove useless bits that no one see, like the internal parts

[grizzled halo]

yeah, made the meshes without them being hollow precisely because of that, just kinda wanted to have less poly on the 1st pv

[empty vigil]

in my case i just make the first LOD and the view pilot use the same model

i don't make them different like in A2

but my model are relatively low poly and i do most details with the normal map

[grizzled halo]

how much distance lods is common for weapons?

First lod is really REALLY high poly so im kinda worried about the poly count in the p3d

[empty vigil]

distance LOD is a must, always use them

[grizzled halo]

that why i was asking for the weapon proxy making for individual components

[empty vigil]

for weapons i go from 1 to 5

i never tried using any other proxies for weapons other than the accessories one, one way to figure it out is to try it but i honestly think it won't work

also did you made the models or did you brought them ?

[grizzled halo]

i did them

[empty vigil]

ok, next models you make you should avoid large poly number with arma 3

reforger can handle it fine but not A3

take a look at the Arma 2 sample model and try to keep it like them but with some more details

[grizzled halo]

being honest, that the train of tought, they are intended to be used in higher quality environments but if they work on arma 3 that a plus

[empty vigil]

ah i see

[grizzled halo]

so i was wondering if i could find the tricks and nooks to make them look good in all places

[empty vigil]

i think if your model tris is around 20k you can already made good looking models with enough details

if i remember well, arma 3 can handle up to 35k tris

[grizzled halo]

i might as well do attachments with components even if that means i have to do more config, it will still allow me to pump more poly on scene without having to worry with render issues

[grizzled halo]

im pretty sure it can handle more, im doing almost 45k poly with all the first lod and pilot view and have no issue right now. First lod is 22k or something like that

[empty vigil]

i remember one mod actually doing it like that, laser and lamp along with the handguard was an attachment

you can for exemple make a gun model with just the receiver and barrel with stock and then the handguard was not present and instead you have to use the side attachment to have it

[grizzled halo]

yeah, that what i was planning, thank god that first phase is the same base gun with a lot of role variants

[stuck oyster]

Technically few 100k works

But starts to naturally strain performance in large quantities

Weapons generally are somewhere between say 5k to 15k

With some exceptions of course

[wide rain]

What bout uniforms?

[stuck oyster]

Tupically around 10k I recall

[sharp coral]

What config entry or model property defines how an object is seen through a glass type surface? Here are two screenshots showing a WS's fence, it's unrealistically brighter when seen through two layers of glass, compared to any other model or surface around.

[stone dew]

alright, haven't a clue what I'm doing but I learn through doing it till I get it right-
so where would I find the folder for outfit models? and what tools/apps would be good for making/editing models? I use clip art studio for my art so I have a solid program from any texture related stuff, I also have blender which seems to be a commonly used app for most model related stuff to my knowledge, already got arma toolbox- but I'm sure I am missing something or could add something to make it a bit easier or overall better lol

[stuck oyster]

Alpha channel of a texture

and overlapping transparency can often have issues

[bleak tangle]

Say I have a building and interior with about 40k faces, is my best option to proxy the interior and only show it in LOD 1 but keep all the geometry in the normal model?

[grizzled halo]

is the rig found here the latest version?

https://forums.bohemia.net/forums/topic/161228-armarig-for-blender/

[stuck oyster]

yeah

[quick terrace]

best thing would be to proxy everything together. as in visual + geo fire etc

[thorn spire]

Im.struggling how.to.approach retopology.on.arm on max

Cylinder.then bridge.to shoulder

Im.worried about proportions being too.huge on.cylinder

How do u guys usually do it?

Polydraw the.whole arm seems just to time.consuming

[sharp coral]

so there is no way to mitigate it other than making a more detailed model instead of using transparent textures?

[stuck oyster]

It could perhaps be solvable through alpha sorting and material tweaks, but the issue could be something in the fence model, not the glass.

[bitter turtle]

Hi guys, Anyone here have knowledge on multimaterial assets? I'm wondering if I can use the UVset 2 in some TexGen ... The fact is that I have a weird UV Map but with texture done and I want integrate a multimaterial map in my house, so the idea is to have UVset 0 (uvsource="tex") the different texture mapped (wood, metal etc..), the UVset 1 having the ADS and MASK maps (uvsource="tex1") and another one in UVset 2 having the MC (which it's the texture I actually have modified into a MC) with the old UV map (uvSource="tex2")

[past canopy]

@white jay lets see what the model looks like, then you will be able to decide which method to use to retopologize

[thorn spire]

On Phone at work at at the moment

@past canopy im.basically trying to.Do.base mesh over sample charecter

Which i will then.sculpt, but

[tulip portal]

anyway to get a list in object builder of all p3ds proxys, texture names, and materials in the a p3d?

[thorn spire]

I got torso pretty ok altough the.collar and arms. Are undone

[past canopy]

ah, you can use the surface placement method where you can paint vertex point over the mesh and connect them

[stuck oyster]

they show up in various dialogs yes. for what kind of purpose?

[tulip portal]

to get a list of what files i do and dont need to reduce size

which Dialogs would show these

[stuck oyster]

ah that stuff xD

honestly I would go at that completely different way. Get Mikeros tools and use pboProject to pack your mod and move everything but configs out

[tulip portal]

i tried just deleting everthing and reading the rpt complain but it wasent very effective

[stuck oyster]

and then pack it so it reports missing files

then start adding the missing stuff back

[tulip portal]

never could get mikeros to work

tried it before

[stuck oyster]

not work how?

well it does expect a P drive setup

[tulip portal]

cant remember this was a year ago

[stuck oyster]

most times people who have trouble with it dont use P drive

in OB proxies show in the named selections and used texures and materials in the resource library

[thorn spire]

So far.Ive.done.It.by drawing strips on.surface and then extending vertex

[stuck oyster]

Star wars IP is not allowed to be used in mods by Disneys policy, so no thats not possible here

[chrome barn]

Damn, no worries then 😛

[stuck oyster]

if you can obtain a permission then that would be another matter

[chrome barn]

Alright, thank you. Know anywhere I could enquire about the models?

[stuck oyster]

no, like I said Disney does not allow such use unless you get a permission

[chrome barn]

Alright, thanks

[tribal rain]

so im trying to export a model into p3d and keep getting hit with this error?

(note ive blacked out my user name for privacy purposes)

[stuck oyster]

you possibly have unused material slots

in the object

that are not assigned to any part of the model

or empty vertex groups

[tribal rain]

Deleted all vertex groups fixed it, cheers amigo

[candid atlas]

Hey, i go a problem with the shading of lights from vehicles on to my bridge. Anyone has a clue what could cause this?
I got a Geo LOD, FIRE LOD, Roadway set up and sharp edges set in blender before export. Textures are all _co

[tribal rain]

so im looking at the config for the example house right and theres no mention of textures?

is it jut Hidden selection camo, Hidden selection?

Or is it handled differently?

[warm blade]

If you don't want to change the textures say for different wall textures there's no need for a camo selection

Buildings quite rarely have camo selections unless they have different variants, such as the wall textures changes or the roof texture changes

[tribal rain]

so just simply set the textures in blender then? reason im asking this is my first building and every other thing ive made has hidden selection on it so wasnt sure how to approach it

[warm blade]

Yeah bud, I'd probably just delete the hidden selections

[tribal rain]

aight bet thanks for the help

[real fox]

Hello there! Do the developers behind the base game models happen to be part of this server? Like the model author for the J2M Viper suit?

[stuck oyster]

@tribal rain yeah buildings typically don't use hiddenselections as they are mainly used as terrain objects and those dont use hiddenselections

[stuck oyster]

BI devs have never really been that specific about their work, so chances are 50/50. Is there some further question ypmoud like to present if they are?

[real fox]

Ah I understand. Mainly just wanted to reach out and post an inquiry about potential model tweaks for an additional “one-piece” undersuit variant. We do community fan-modding, and with one of our recent sets of armor, the viper suit is almost perfect aside from some minor clipping. Figured I’d make an attempt at contacting the model author before we go down the route of making our own undersuit model

[stuck oyster]

Yeah the devs don't individually decide on such things so. I doubt that would be possible.
You can try making a feedback ticket too.

[thorn spire]

@past canopy how much is ur helmet lod0

The NORAF ops core

It isnt 20k isit?

[past canopy]

hahahahhahahaha

it's under 8k with the max amount of accessories on it

or under 10k

[thorn spire]

Oh wheewh

[past canopy]

I set either a 10k or 8k limit for myself which is decent considering the detail

[thorn spire]

Because u may have seen earlier I was terrified to think it was 20k :D

I agre

E

[past canopy]

Ah no I didn't see

[thorn spire]

It was a week ago

[past canopy]

Previously the version Koffein gave me from his BW mod was around 16k

[thorn spire]

Lol

Ahh

[past canopy]

But my friend GMery on here as like sha9ow or something stupid like that redid the whole thing

So the base helmet is like 3-4k

[thorn spire]

Yea we finished our mich 2000

[past canopy]

Oh yeah? What team are you on? EuroSOC guys?

[thorn spire]

So next thang for.me is to create the ops core

Opsec at thr moment

[past canopy]

Ah no don't even bother

I'm releasing my my files for everyone to yse

[thorn spire]

Not at eurosoc

[past canopy]

any source files my team creates will be released in source form.

Ah

[thorn spire]

Lets say, something related to Finnish

;)

[past canopy]

Ah okay

[thorn spire]

Cool

[past canopy]

Well if you guys ever want to collaborate on anything let me know

[thorn spire]

Any idea when thats gonna happen, I could just sculpt the helmet cover then

[past canopy]

I really enjoy modeling small things like the lights and lasers, idk why it's just fun to be able to toss out like 2-3 of those really fast

[thorn spire]

@past canopy Will do!

[past canopy]

I'll give you them now if you want as long as you don't release the source files

[thorn spire]

Have to ask the team if there is something now we dont have time to do yet

[past canopy]

Ok just pm me or something

[thorn spire]

That means you would be ok us to publish them, not the source files obviously? :)

More likely source files will be published before that happens

But ur the.man :D

Could you send them by email any chance? At work at the moment

[past canopy]

Yeah if you release your pack before Jan 1st 2016 which is when the first version of mine comes out

[thorn spire]

Well I think the helmet wont make that release anyway

[past canopy]

I'm pretty relaxed about sharing because I think it improves the community, shoot me your email and I'll send it over

[thorn spire]

Awesome

[cunning kelp]

Can I pay someone to make a sledgehammer and a violin object mod?

[empty vigil]

i'm sure you can already found them for free online

[fluid copper]

@cunning kelp #creators_recruiting

[cunning kelp]

thanks mb

[finite wave]

Hey! Working on a custom asset, got the model all rigged and textures setup for the base of the helmet. However encountering an issue with the texture for the hidden selections of the object.

• All are properly defined in the config
• Hidden selections are defined in config and can be found in the model.cfg
• Textures are applied (with their own rvmatts)

The texture however is all black (not missing, but black).

(The backpouch, and black cover are the hidden selections we have used to test, the actual helmet is textured and works without a problem).

[marsh canyon]

Have you ever made an asset that worked flawlessly?

[finite wave]

First time we’re even trying!

[marsh canyon]

Good, I've just wanted to know where to start

Since I have no source of your asset, can't say exactly but...

• Texture name?
• Texture resolution?
• How about without custom rvmat (aka default rvmat)?

[finite wave]

Textures are named properly, checked over a billion times.

Dropped the resolution but they are massive. Is there a specific one you’d recommend?

Default Rvmat will work with the cover but not anything else (different initial textures) even with the default one for the cover it doesn’t work.

[marsh canyon]

First and second, how are they actually? What is the name and what is the res?

[finite wave]

Naming formats are BCO_SHC_BP(based on whichever part it is)_as(or co, nohq, smdi).paa

Res is currently 1024x1024, which is dropped substantially. These models were designed by another source not for ARMA, we’ve just been trying to get them to work.

Have hope it will work because we got the model rigged, and an initial texture on the helmet but following the same steps hasn’t worked for these.

[stuck oyster]

The models are not from some other game Im hoping?

[grizzled halo]

make sure that the path is relative to your addon and not a path to your actual file tree for both files, base CO and Rvmat. I sometimes forget and only CO is applied if RVmat is not relative

[finite wave]

Nope. Purchased from a model an awesome modeller who said we are welcome to put them in our addon (despite how difficult it’s been).

[stuck oyster]

👍

[finite wave]

What do you mean by file tree? I’ve made sure the path doesn’t include the C:/Xxx/xxx stuff just the addon name and then the sub-folders.

[stuck oyster]

what do you pack the pbo with?

and do you use P Drive?

[quick terrace]

@bitter turtle - this is how multimats works...where is the iessue?

[finite wave]

I do, may not have it working properly but it says it's mounted.

Pack it with addon builder.

[stuck oyster]

Right so addon builder does not really do much any error checking for you so if you want more debug on packing you might want to consider Mikeros Toolset and using pboProject from there to pack

and if you did P drive setup from the arma tools launcher you may need to disable/unistall that one and create new simpler setup with your own mapdisk bat with simple subst command to mount the drive and then use arma3p from mikeros toolset to extract the game data on it.

[bitter turtle]

@quick terrace Ok I'll be more clear... The ADS and MASK are working well, but the MC which the UV Map for MC texture is on UVsource="tex2" (having tex with UVmap scaled to match the texture of the individual material, tex1 for the mask and ADS) is taking UVSet 1 instead of UVSet 2!!

the result looks like this

https://gyazo.com/12cde3f74a36a6b9c251b09d7a9d647a

So my question is if It's possible (at low level engine) to handle 3 differents UVSet to do the multimaterial in the way I want ("Recycling" the texture it's actually done converted to MC with UVMap saved on UVSet 2. UVSet 0 and UVSet 1 working as always a multimaterial work)

[bitter turtle]

Ok I have resolved my issue on my own by using only 2 UVSets but I'm curious if that's possible..

[past edge]

good morning; could somebody shed some light on how to configure models to be sling-loadable? I've already got the memory points set up and am using the corresponding config entry, do I need anything else?

#arma3_config message

[quick terrace]

it should be possible yes

in fact, i think you could use second uvset for all multimat textures

and primary uv set for ads, mc, mask

or 1 set per texture if that is what is needed

there is a hardcoded uv set number, but is surely more than 6 irc

[stuck oyster]

mass needs to be something another thing can lift

[past edge]

good point, but I verified that it's light enough (100kg), yet it doesn't show as liftable even for the Huron

[past edge]

d'oh, nevermind... I figured out why

apparently, Arma checks for obstacles when trying to slingload and will temporarily prevent objects from being slung, even if they're normally sling loadable

left-most barrel is sling loadable, the other 2 are too close to the power line

[stuck oyster]

⚡

[spare ermine]

hello, please tell me how to fix this bug. model.cfg seems to be registered, and the config is assembled correctly. And the helmet is still in the legs

unfortunately, I have not found a single lesson (video / form) where a helmet is added

in a bulldozer, everything is ok. but when I transfer to arma, then there in the legs

[marsh canyon]

Possibilities:

• How you pack is wrong
• model.cfg is wrong
• Weight is wrong

[spare ermine]

is there a lesson where there is a solution to these problems?
Or can I throw you into a bos and you tell me what's wrong? 🙂

The way you pack is wrong - how can this be, I pack having a disk P , I pack through Addon Builder

model.cfg is wrong - maybe, but I took from the arma 3 lessons for helmet (but there is no detailed description there

[marsh canyon]

AB is one of the worst way than HEMTT or pboProject

[spare ermine]

Weight is wrong - this is quite possible, but I do not know how to check it

[marsh canyon]

But not the worstest

Which software you use to make the helmet?

[spare ermine]

blender + object builder

[stuck oyster]

check top pinned message 😄

@spare ermine

[spare ermine]

+++

[spare ermine]

ha-ha-ha, thanks, I wouldn't have looked))

I watched Arma 3 Samples, but there is no description (understandable), there are only small hints

[spare ermine]

Hello, it's me again. Can someone please help with this helmet (I'll throw off all the files). I sit all day and he does not move, as if between but, and remained

Yes, I saw the tips and tried to play with the scales, but nothing worked out and the helmet also remained in the legs

[stuck oyster]

does it have the autocenter 0 named property now?

in geometry lod

whats the name of the p3d?

and whats the name of the class in model.cfg you made for it

you will have to figure it out yourself if you want to make stuff

cant give up now

@spare ermine

[bitter turtle]

Ok Thx, I will keep researching!

[spare ermine]

it seems that everything is as you write, but I do not understand the account (does it have the auto center 0 named property new? ), the class in model.cfg matches the name of the model. The rest also seems to have checked everything

[spare ermine]

how to check it, I don't quite understand

I found such a guide, but I don't understand where to install it. In object builder ?
https://forums.bohemia.net/forums/topic/162407-rotation-displacing-selection-it-is-suppose-to-rotate/

Maybe I'm asking stupid questions, but the brain is already melting

[stuck oyster]

get some rest first ´then look at it again. check the bi forums for Blender To Arma tutorial series

El Tyranos and Sokolonko and Battlestad have made some good ones that can help

[spare ermine]

hahahaha, thank you)

[spare ermine]

I added but nothing has changed, everything is the same as it was

@stuck oyster

[stuck oyster]

how about the model.cfg?

did you copy the one from the samples and add your helmet.p3d name class at the end?

[spare ermine]

yes!

my config

[stuck oyster]

you have changed the skeleton name

cant do that

have to use the name it has in the sample

@spare ermine

[spare ermine]

but that's how it should be

[stuck oyster]

no

[spare ermine]

tell me how it should be, can I use an example or what do I need to change?

[spare ermine]

Oh, thank you. Just while I was looking for a solution, maybe I accidentally changed it

[stuck oyster]

you have not copied it

copy it

and the other paramteres it has too

😛

please make absolutely sure you follow the advice given

all you need to do here is to change these to your p3d names

[spare ermine]

try?:)

[spare ermine]

good!!!!

thank you so much!

[stuck oyster]

👍

[spare ermine]

I now have another question what to do if such a miracle? 🙂
I sort of figured out the hats, now the bulletproof vest, everything seems to be OK. But the straps are coming off, how to fix them, please tell me

the model is displayed normally in the editor. But when I add it to arma 3, it flies off

[fluid copper]

It could be a weightpaint issue, could you send a pic of that?

[spare ermine]

class R_afgan_vest : Default
    {    
        htMin = 60;          // Minimum half-cooling time (in seconds)
        htMax = 1800;        // Maximum half-cooling time (in seconds)
        afMax = 30;          // Maximum temperature in case the model is alive (in celsius)
        mfMax = 0;           // Maximum temperature when the model is moving (in celsius)
        mFact = 1;           // Metabolism factor - number from interval <0, 1> (0 - metabolism has no influence, 1 - metabolism has full influence (no other temperature source will be considered)).
        tBody = 37;  // Metabolism temperature of the model (in celsius)

        sections[] =
        {
            "camo",
            "leftarm",
            "leftshoulder",
            "rightarm",
            "rightshoulder",
            "spine2",
            "spine3"
        };
        skeletonName = "OFP2_ManSkeleton";
    };

[spare ermine]

I still think it's related to model.cfg because everything is fine in the editor. If there was an incorrect weight distribution, then it was the same in the editor

[spare ermine]

but if you want, I can send the model, you look, because I don't see any problems in it

[fluid copper]

Did you use blender to define the weights?

[spare ermine]

Object Builder

[fluid copper]

Ouch, when the player moves with the vest on does it move correctly?

[spare ermine]

I'll check in the morning, but everything seemed to be working properly except for what I described above

this can happen if I specified the wrong Supply?

[fluid copper]

If the selection is correctly defined as rightshoulder it might cause that

[supple tangle]

I'm trying to edit the movement speed of one of my client side mods but I'm unsure how to do so.
What I'm specifically looking to change the speed of is tactical jogging with rifle horizontal ready to shoot, left, right, front+left, front+right, back+right, back+left

These are the files I think are responsible for the movement speed

And I believe (might be wrong) this is the sort of "path" of the movement, AmovPercMtacSrasWrfl(Dfl/Dfr/Dbl/Dbr/Dl/Dr)
everything in parentheses are the movement directions that can be subbed in

I tried changing the speed variable in both config.xml and config_proper.xml

nothing changed in game

This is in config.xml

this is in config_proper.xml

[stuck oyster]

what is config xml?

would probably be just easier to alter characters animation playback speed in game instead of configs

with scripting

[supple tangle]

Please elaborate

[plucky depot]

These xmls are for internal BI tools

Pretty sure these are used to generate animation configs.

Which are normal mod config.

[supple tangle]

So where should I be looking instead to change the movement speeds?

[plucky depot]

CfgMoves

[stuck oyster]

or just https://community.bistudio.com/wiki/setAnimSpeedCoef

[supple tangle]

can such script be added in as a mod that can then go into a modpack?

also, I'm trying to change a couple specific movement speeds

not all of them

[stuck oyster]

modpack is not required

modpacks are bad

mods are good as they are separate

[supple tangle]

That's not my concern though

[stuck oyster]

but no thats a script command you could run in live game to do stuff

[supple tangle]

so it's not really going to solve my issue

[plucky depot]

This affects everything tho, movement speed, reload speed, ladders

And is not really compatible with a lot of mods.

[supple tangle]

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=2693900972
This is the mod I'm editing

[muted tapir]

well any script you can run in game you can pack as a mod that runs it automatically

[stuck oyster]

not reload at least according to the description

[supple tangle]

I don't want it to change overall speed

issue with the mod above is that lateral movement with gun up are so slow

I need to up that movement speed a little for the D, A, W+A, W+D, S+A, S+D

[plucky depot]

Then you need to patch that mod config

[supple tangle]

what do you mean?

[stuck oyster]

you create another mod that is loaded after this one and it applies your wanted changes on top of it

so you dont edit or publish the original mod

[supple tangle]

I copied the contents of the mod and put them in my personal computer to edit for myself, not redistributing it or publishing it anywhere it will only be used for me

that's what I'm editing above

[stuck oyster]

thats just silly

its easier to do it right way on top so you dont have to worry about breaking the original

well not the files anyway

[supple tangle]

I'll just reiterate

Where do I need to look to change the movement speeds of some of the movements included in this mod I posted above?

[stuck oyster]

cfgmoves config

where the animation states and their speeds are defined

[supple tangle]

where can I find that? Is there a path or is it packed in some files in the Arma 3 directory?

[plucky depot]

In the mod config

Do you have any modding basics?

https://community.bistudio.com/wiki/Arma_3:_Creating_an_Addon

[supple tangle]

No I only know how to read code and upload mods

I can unpack and pack Pbos and read their contents

[plucky depot]

Then maybe it's time to learn basic addon making.

[supple tangle]

oh wait

is it in the config.bin?

[plucky depot]

I do not condone modding via unpacking changing a few values and packing as that approach ends up in needing to be handheld all the time due to zero understanding about what's going on.

[supple tangle]

this?

I understand what's going on the classes are referencing the animations and assigning values to variables associated to the class such as speed and interpolation speed to different classes

all I needed to know is what actually changes what I see in game

[plucky depot]

Yes, this is animation config.

[supple tangle]

I adjust the speed here but nothing translated to in game

I'm suspecting the speed is related to the animation itself which I reckon needs to be edited using some 3D viewer/editor tool

[stuck oyster]

no playback speed affects how fast an animation goes

you may be just editing wrong place

[supple tangle]

here's the file if you want to have a look at it

config

in cpp form

[stuck oyster]

this exactly is why you would want to make a config mod that works on top of the other one so you dont have to manage the huge configs

[supple tangle]

yeah so what exactly am I not doing right?

because even if I do what you say I don't even know what exactly I should be looking for and changing to achieve what I want

[stuck oyster]

cant do it for you, sorry.

[lone minnow]

Does anyone have a good example of a vest mod (pre-binarizing everything)? I'm struggling with the configs and model.cfg. Currently learning all this stuff so I'm just trying to add a vest I already have a model and textures for

[fluid copper]

the example stuff is pretty solid

[lone minnow]

I've gotten most of the way with them sure, but my textures aren't loading and the plate carrier appears at my feet

[fluid copper]

textures are probably a path issue, and its likely at your feet because the model.cfg or weighting is incorrect