arma3_model

[stuck oyster]

once you have those down you can start to look up arma specific requirements

[charred bolt]

Although he says he has already put a basic object in game... perhaps that wasn't entirely correct?

[woeful crystal]

Not completely

I’ve done file scripting before

Is matlab an acceptable modeling software?

[charred bolt]

Many artists use free Blender.

There's a plugin called Arma Toolbox to help export files from there to Object Builder.

For texturing, many use Substance Painter.

If you haven't yet made an simple unanimated object and put it in game, forget about anything more complex until you've done that.

[stuck oyster]

Matlab is not quite a computer game graphics program Id suppose. Would recommend the mentioned Blender

[woeful crystal]

Ok do blender it is

[charred bolt]

It's professional level quality and youtube is full of tutorials to teach you how to use it.

[woeful crystal]

any particular person you recommend?

[rose ibex]

I'm having some shading issues with buldozer that doesn't exist in blender

https://imgur.com/a/KwoWnX0

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RR3PSAvJy0k&ab_channel=combatarms154

it seems to me that auto smoothing isn't exporting correctly with the blender toolbox

However I wonder what the Veterans are thinking.

Should I just use an edge split modifier?

[stuck oyster]

is your model triangulated in blender?

[stuck oyster]

and is that lod made out of multiple objects that get merged at export?

[rose ibex]

it's one object

and triangulated

[stuck oyster]

you can manually add sharp edges too to test if that works

and is your O2Script.exe path set up in the addon settings?

without it, the export does not fully work

[rose ibex]

yeah the script is working

the edge split modifier seems to work

[stuck oyster]

wrong exported shading is one symptom for example

[rose ibex]

yeah that fixed it

[night furnace]

does anyone know how to retexture a helmet

[stuck oyster]

basically:
You paint a texture
put that into a modProjectFolder (of your chosen name)
you create a config (in that same folder) that uses the target helmets config as base (config inheriting)
replace hiddenselection paths to point to your new texture
pack addon

@night furnace

[night furnace]

i tried it and i couldn’t get it after watching a youtube video

it was a 5 year old video tho

they showed different hpaa files or something idek

[stuck oyster]

basic principles should be same as 5 years ago

[stuck oyster]

@night furnace you can just ask here. But there should be no difference in how to retexture any mod

You need new file, new config and new addon

Or we'll you can continue on #arma3_texture

[wheat ledge]

why does this happen to the ankle area when I import into oxygen?

[stuck oyster]

there isnt really any answer on that without analyzing your setup

other than something goes wrong i your workflow

Id recommend using the p3d export in the Arma Toolbox addon though

[pastel stump]

Hey I’m looking for someone that can model for my star sim group. You will be paid and rates are negotiable.

[stuck oyster]

use #creators_recruiting

[pastel stump]

Thank you bro

[bright flax]

What property should I add to my model so that when it is placed it cuts the grass and does not go through the ground?

[tawdry veldt]

I've unpacked the game data via arma 3 tools so I can use proxies in my models. I have 2 different models with the same problem. I'm trying to create custom heads, from my current understanding I need to have a 'bysta' proxy which I believe is the bust. It's not in the directory I see it referenced on the arma 3 templates though, it's in a different directory (should be a3\characters_f\heads\bysta but not present, but is present in a3\characters_f\templatertm\bysta - should I copy and paste it into the heads folder or should I just reference it on the templatertm folder? at a real loss why I can't get these heads in 😦

[tawdry veldt]

also, one of my heads is a rescaled arma head. the other is a totally new head with new bones etc. should I create a 'bysta' proxy for each of these seperate or is it ok to just use the default one?

[stuck oyster]

Proxies are just reference point

And the name of the proxy is what connects it with config

And engine hardcoded features

So if you want to use the native head/identity swap you will likely need to use the default proxy name

[tawdry veldt]

This is something I'm really interested in but can't find much about, so forgive the barrage of questions about to come your way :p
So proxies are a reference point, they're pre-made models that can be loaded in on any model as like a reference? I see that with head, pistol and flag. But none of the other models load in? Are the others, i.e. equipment, backpack etc. essentially just a placeholder that tells the engine it is allowed to load in those elements on that model? As the actual models being brought in would have there own location in the environment etc?

That being said, one of my models I'm working on has a totally seperate head that isn't based on the arma man head. Would I then need to make a seperate proxy just for that head? I've tried doing this but no luck so far but this is verging config I think (see below). Doing this, I would just load in a proxy that references the p3d below? Or am I missing some steps - because this seems almost too simple to what I've become used to
class CfgNonAIVehicles
{
class ProxyBysta;
class ProxyOgryn_Bust: ProxyBysta
{
model="\ogryn\model\Ogryn_Bust.p3d";
};
};

[stuck oyster]

yes the proxy models have shapes just so they can be more easily placed correctly on characters. This kind of proxies then get replaced by live loaded models like identity defined head or weapon you have in your inventory

I think you could still use the normal bysta as a proxy as long as you model the head so that it then fits your model

since its just the reference point

the model of the head (or anything else) is only connected to the proxy by its model space origin [0,0,0 coordinate]

[tawdry veldt]

Will give that a go - cheers!

[mossy saddle]

Can someone help me understand vertex weighting?

[rose ibex]

Think of each vertex as a range between one and zero. One means this is one hundred precent true, zero means this one hundred precent false. When you paint or assign a weight to a vertex all you are doing is changing that value. Say for instance I have a face of 4 vertices and I want to some way to distinguish that these four vertices on this face are special. Well I can assign a weight to this group for my purpose. Then I can use that weight later. An example would be I can assign a group of vertices to weight groups(vertex group) that represents a wheel or a blade on a plane.

[umbral shuttle]

Will having overlapping fire geo components cause issues?

[stuck oyster]

they can cause double hits

[rose ibex]

On the topic of fire lods do they have a minimum thickness?

[stuck oyster]

very thin parts might get ignored by very fast shots and if simulation gets laggy

so yes, thin parts are not good

there are multiple different plate penetration materials for thin things

[rose ibex]

And length and width restrictions?

[stuck oyster]

50 meters or so

[rose ibex]

Because my fire lod is acting like it doesn't exist

[stuck oyster]

I refer you to pinned messages

[rose ibex]

Hmm I wonder if I have a hole in my mesh then

Too complex then?

[stuck oyster]

is that a convex shape?

Id say its a bit overly detailed

[woeful viper]

the nose-cockpit area isnt convex

[unborn harness]

where do i post a idea for a mod

[stuck oyster]

im afraid we dont have channel for that

[charred bolt]

It's best practise to avoid it, but in reality you probably won't notice when things go a bit wrong because the thing you are shooting at does not have visible health bars, so there is no feedback to the player. Regarding vehicles, early Arma models tended to have quite a lot of overlapping FG, but since the introduction of Tanks DLC with the new armor component method, it's now better to make hollow interior models with more accurately placed "walls", and things like interior fuel tanks and engine blocks sit in their own space.
TLDR; if you have time and want to do it "right", then avoid overlapping FG, but otherwise it'll probably still be acceptable if you don't (ie not game crashing bad)

[charred bolt]

As well as closed and convex, you should also use Object Builders auto-method to give each component of the FG a name in the format "ComponentNN" where NN starts at 01 and runs sequentially upwards.

[rose ibex]

I use the blender tool's equivalent for the component generation

[stuck oyster]

convex hull?

it does not always create same convex as Object Builder/Arma

[rose ibex]

no just to generate the vertex groups

[stuck oyster]

are your parts convex?

all requirements must be met for them to work

[rose ibex]

yeah it wasn't convex, I tried to cheat by remeshing and applying a solidify modifier

[charred bolt]

However you make it, AFTER exporting to p3d, use Object Builders tools to run checks
Structure>Topology>Find non-closed
Structure>Convexity>Find non-convexity

And I'd recommend you delete component names and refind them using Object Builder's:
Structure>Topology>Find Components

[rose ibex]

That isn't the fire lod

that's the geo lod

[stuck oyster]

well its still not convex

[rose ibex]

how is a square not convex?

[charred bolt]

It's a mute point if he follows my advice, OB will tell him if he's done it right or not.

[stuck oyster]

true

[charred bolt]

Of course the other thing is that each component of the FG needs to have a penetraton material (rvmat) assigned to it.

[silver zenith]

has anyone encountered weird UV problems after the last blender update?

[stuck oyster]

they would still have the default one if no specific is applied

[stuck oyster]

what kind of uv problems?

[silver zenith]

for some reason when I unwrap a face it unwrap other faces of the model
even if the face is separated from the model
I've had this issue only in the UV editor view
if I unwrap from the modeling view it works fine

[stuck oyster]

as far as I remember thats how it has worked before

[silver zenith]

it never happened for me
I'm only unwrapping one face why would it unwrap other faces of the model?
its not even unwrapping all of them
and it only started happening after the update which I downloaded today

[stuck oyster]

try the other UV mode

[rose ibex]

yes but we are talking about something else being not convex when it is

[stuck oyster]

did you check it in OB?

and yes I did assume it was one big blob

dont get hung up on that

[rose ibex]

yeah it was a fucking red mess

[silver zenith]

other UV mode?

[rose ibex]

No worries, it just hurt my feels a little bit. I'm better now.

[rose ibex]

https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLZpDYt0cyiuuwWbyUAWSllrhtZ9KfU3B_

[rose ibex]

did you mirror the object by chance?

[silver zenith]

nope

it affects other faces for absolutely no reason

[rose ibex]

actually that's right

blender has to join those faces because there isn't a seam

That playlist I just sent goes over that

[silver zenith]

but I'm only unwrapping that separate face
why would it even touch the rest of the model?
it never did that

[rose ibex]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cS6B5PAzlWI&list=PLZpDYt0cyiuuwWbyUAWSllrhtZ9KfU3B_&index=3&ab_channel=RoyalSkies
unless those faces aren't connected, it will do that

you need a seam in there to tell blender not to do that

here even timestamped the 3 minute video where he talks about it

https://youtu.be/cS6B5PAzlWI?t=88

[silver zenith]

that would be the case if I tried to unwrap the entire thing
but I'm just unwrapping a single face
for 5 years of modeling it did exactly what I expected and unwrapped only the selected face

[rose ibex]

what version of blender let me go test?

[silver zenith]

matter of fact if I press the same button but from the model view, it does work

3.4.0

[rose ibex]

Have you checked the bug tracker to see if that is a already know bug?

[silver zenith]

I asked in their discord but I seem to be the only one with that issue

[rose ibex]

Yeah can't reproduce that, selecting a face and unwrapping it unwraps the face and nothing else. Very weird

I would make a bug report on there bug tracker with that blender file

[silver zenith]

its happening with every file
any way to revert to a previous version?

[stuck oyster]

they should still be isntalled

Blender installs ever version into their own folders

[rose ibex]

yeah if you haven't removed them you can search for the version in the windows search. Like Blender 3.3.1

[silver zenith]

I see the folder for 3.3 but don't see an exe

[rose ibex]

you can always install an LTS version of blender
https://www.blender.org/download/lts/

as long as you haven't using an new 3.4 features you "should be " good for using 3.3.1lts

[silver zenith]

oh yeah steam lets you switch to older versions through the beta properties

ah beautiful
it works
thanks for the help
I hope they patch it soon

[old gulch]

Is there any samples for the attachable lasers? I'm wanting to make my own but I'm unsure about what might be needed.

[rose ibex]

No samples for specific attachments, the only one is the scope in the samples.

[old gulch]

There is also a bipod sample in the test_weapon folder, so I was asking in case I had missed it

[umbral shuttle]

so heres the issue that me and a friend are having, I am trying to make a fire geo for a dome like the one on atlas that big white building but the actual object is like 2 meters. If he makes the fire geo in blender following the model the interior parts are nonconvex. so I was like lets make a hollow square for this but if I try that theres going to be some overlapping fire geos

[stuck oyster]

Fire goemtery could be just a sphere or half sphere and it could have penetration material that handles the thickness

[umbral shuttle]

oh okay, so that would prevent bullets from going into the dome and going out, given the bisurf is thick enough?

I thought a plane would only block fire from one direction?

[stuck oyster]

Not out of it. But since you said it's 2 meters I assumed no one is in it since its so tiny.

Then make a simple UV sphere and separate all faces and extrude them but don't move and the scale them

[umbral shuttle]

ah yea I am trying to have them shoot out, I guess my sense of scale in arma is off. I will try that then

[stuck oyster]

So you don't want to block shooting from inside to out?

Then the non hollow sphere works for you

[umbral shuttle]

oh I do want to block shooting form inside to out

sorry if I made it sound confusing

here 1 sec, I shall use the power of ms paint

[stuck oyster]

Then you need the extruded wall blocks

[umbral shuttle]

does this make sense

[stuck oyster]

Sure.

You may need to experiment on the thickness of the blocks and the size of the sphere

[umbral shuttle]

Okay will try that

[stuck oyster]

Preferably the walls would be 10cm thick to be safe but less sould work too.

[woeful viper]

You are deailing with collision bodies there, not individual faces.
If a shot hits a collision body (hits on one face), it calculates if it penetrates through or not. If it does, the exit point is caculated, and the projectile teleports from the impact point to the exit point. Everything in between is ignored

if your projectile starts within the body, then (although i have not tested this) it will likely ignore the body completely

[umbral shuttle]

so I could have a plane, doesnt matter which side it gets hit on, it gets hit and the calculations happen

[stuck oyster]

No

[woeful viper]

a plane is not a closed body with a volume

[umbral shuttle]

oh okay so has to be closed body with a volume

I thought a plane would be considered a closed body

[woeful viper]

while you could argue that 2 planes (opposite normal directions each) where all edges are welded together with the other plane, is a "closed surface", it still has no volume

volume is important for fire geometry
see Example case 1 and Example 2 in biki
https://community.bistudio.com/wiki/LOD#Fire_Geometry

so your "2 plane body" would have 0 thickness and therefore could not have penetration stopping properties (or lead to crashes, if some formula tries to divide by thickness value)

[umbral shuttle]

Oh

I didnt think the actual thickness in model mattered, just that it was big enough

[woeful viper]

Overlapping FG leads to no issue, since shots just teleport to the other side of the body it impacted on. In fact you can create a "hole" in armor without cutting it. You can just put a little cube with rvmat with little penetration resistance and make that cube slightly thicker than the base plate, so that when a projectile impacts, it will hit that one first.

In fact things more often seem to go wrong if you try to precisely not have overlapping FG. Presumably because of rounding and floating point errors. To be sure that 2x 30mm thick plates ontop of eachother provide 60mm protection, they have to be moved apart by an unknown distance.

I noticed with my tanks that shots where often able to pass through the areas wherever a joint was between armor plates. And i concluded that the best (most safe way) to model corners in armor is to overlap it like the right case. Left and middle case can lead to problems for all impact directions from A, B and C due to imprecision. Only the right case is safe against all imprecision

[woeful viper]

that was my thinking as well until i scratched my head why things didnt work as expected... and thats how those lines where added in the biki.

[charred bolt]

For the case you're highlighting, yes, that's ok.
But there are cases where overlapping FG is problematic for exactly the reason you mention. Such as a solid armour body with an engine block encased in it.

[woeful viper]

ok, yeah, it is a double edged sword

if you just model the hull as one big block, there is also no chance the crew will be able to get hit by penetrating shots

[charred bolt]

There are also differences when one considers the "old" hitpoint method, and the newer armor component method.

[harsh moat]

Hello anyone know how to get rid of p3d binarization so i can open arma models in blender for retexturing

basically I need to get arma models into Substance painter

[hot hornet]

hello, you can't (and it's forbidden anyway)

[stuck oyster]

big no no

[harsh moat]

even if im not planning to change to model but just do some retexturing?

[marsh canyon]

Even if.

[warm spindle]

hello i would like some help please. I have the following problem. Basicly this is a cutom helmet i made and part of it has the shading issue shown. Effectively shadows cause it to lose its "3d effect". Any idea what might be causing it ?

[woeful viper]

please post screens of the model in your 3d app and in the game, so we can tell you whats wrong

[umbral shuttle]

how do you view center of mass in geo lod? havent done so in a hot second and forgot

[stuck oyster]

need to look at geometry lod, select parts (or all) and turn off DX draw mode

@umbral shuttle

[umbral shuttle]

ahhh got it was DX draw

ty

[karmic silo]

Hey, folks could use some help..

https://gyazo.com/5e0cd7639614e2b3098f66480f642b4b

I am making a custom red dot for the handgun I made. However I can't get the dote to translate downward. I have tried moving the physical service it is attached too up and down, but it doesn't seem to affect it.

and to answer the question I am sure will be asked I am using the standard textures and rvmats from the MRD already in the game.

Only solution I have come up with so far is physically move the rest of the mode to align it, and then move the proxy on the gun way down to adjust but then it would screw it up for other sights

any help is appreciated, I have been stuck on this for a couple days.

[woeful viper]

isnt this the "red dot" shader? Have you tried to move the eye memorypoint down?

[karmic silo]

Memory point hasn’t affected it so far.

And the dot uses the material shader correct.

[stuck oyster]

you got a viewpilot lod in the scope?

[karmic silo]

Yup

All moving the memory point has affected was the actual angle you look at the optic. The red dot is still stuck towards the top.

[cedar coral]

Get the first message in on this channel. :-)

[elder fulcrum]

Hey, so i'm trying to follow the advice of this article to get my buldozer lighting closer to what its like in-game, but no matter what i've tried my buldozer can no longer find materials for any of my objects. https://pmc.editing.wiki/doku.php?id=arma3:modeling:buldozer-lighting

Yes, I made sure the paths to my arma 3 were correct

The second image is when I am using my p:\drive buldozer.

[stuck oyster]

if you followed the guide fully then your P drive/buldozer setup does not seem to work with the guide

[elder fulcrum]

I used arma3p when setting up my P:Drive

[stuck oyster]

if the lighting kicked in you would see the blue sky and clouds

[elder fulcrum]

Yeah, I figured. I'm not entirely sure. I had to change all my texture paths to include a P:/ suffix in order for it to recognize the textures. That doesn't solve the problem though

[stuck oyster]

that means your texture path suffix is not set up in Object builder settings

[elder fulcrum]

It is already at P:\

[stuck oyster]

file menu options

[stuck oyster]

is your P drive mounted with armaTools mounting or the simplified subst P: command .bat file

[elder fulcrum]

I mount it usually with arma 3 tools.

I run my Object Builder directly from the .exe

[stuck oyster]

arma3tools mount is not quite compatible with this

it messes up the admin/normal user file access rights and buldozer P drive detection

[elder fulcrum]

Alright. Is there a .bat file somewhere I could download or the cmds for it? Never done that.

Ah, found it. It should look something like this?

subst p: "E:\A3WorkDrive"
pause```

[stuck oyster]

yes

though susbt P: /d

so it first makes sure to remove any existing P drive mounting

and then mount the folder you want

[elder fulcrum]

Hmm, I did that and made sure to turn off auto-start P: Drive with my ArmA 3 Tools, restarted my PC and still encountering the same issue.

Like you said, still doesn't look like the world is loading properly.

[vagrant night]

I am working on a structure that will have lighting inside but I do not have the proper model config entry for it to work. Sorry if this has be asked before. I just need the proper config for my light source. Thanks for the help

[stuck oyster]

Model.cfg does not handle lights. The sample house in arma3 samples on steam has lights set up though if I recall right.

And if not the lamp pole has

[vagrant night]

ah thanks. I look it up

[bright flax]

https://prnt.sc/JgS-BTlynMtf

I have shadow lods on my model and yet the rain keeps coming through.

what am I doing wrong?

[charred bolt]

Have you got View and Fire Geometry LOD's with roofs?

[bright flax]

no, i only have shadow lod

[last spindle]

(╯°□°）╯︵ ┻━┻

had to try it :p "/tableflip"

[wraith tendon]

Anybody here, who had the issue with Island objects can't be targeted with CursorTarget?

[last spindle]

some things cannot be targeted, or atlest return useless information.......don't know much more

[wraith tendon]

When i used them on another Island, it worked. Thats the strange thing. And while i write that, i notice, that i might change to the island creator Channel

[last spindle]

I think it might have something to do with, if the object does not have a config class for that p3d type, then it is just an unknown item on the terrain, if you have a config.cpp that uses the .p3d then maybe it works..........pure speculation

[elder fulcrum]

totally refreshed everything in my p folders... now the assets are looking like they do in-game... this will make my MC work so much easier. Thank you, you make my MULTIMAT MADNESS ten times easier @stuck oyster

[stuck oyster]

👍👍

[rose ibex]

May I ask for a guide on what you did? I have been having the same issue.

[hollow fulcrum]

dun dun dun duuunnn

[cursive sleet]

ba dum tss

[ember heart]

@hollow fulcrum whatsupppp

[cursive sleet]

Sup Assain?

[hollow fulcrum]

Heya SA, I'm not really sure why I'm up. :P But glad to see a honest effort to get away from skype. This thing is pretty good. See how it handles the numbers.

[cursive sleet]

@last spindle How is the arty going?

[hollow fulcrum]

@cursive sleet Yes you can make a bridge using physx pieces/tiles on the top layer. you'll have to play around with weighting, and i suggest limiting/encasing those 'roadway tiles'. Depending on how you want them to move, that'll determine what and how play stuff under each tile.

It actually works surprisingly well.

[cursive sleet]

Do you have any pictures or video of it?

[hollow fulcrum]

Nope, showed ya what I do have. The roadway video with the loop has the tiles in it. You can see them falling out of the air, and floating in the ocean. But I don't know thats particularly useful. :\

You could also make something like a teeter-toter effect length wise if you wanted large sections of the roadway to move.

[cursive sleet]

teeter-toter?

[hollow fulcrum]

note... I have no idea how the AI would negotiate that. Probably wouldn't be pretty if more than a single model. Might be completely horrible.

http://thumbs.dreamstime.com/z/teeter-totter-8813396.jpg

[cursive sleet]

okay, well i think it is best to keep the bridge simple :P and add more functions to it later maybe

[hollow fulcrum]

nothing wrong with that. and if incorporating into a map. it'll probably all fail also. but, would still be cool in a supply scenario or something. weight the tiles just right and they'll slide around with the big trucks. :|

[cursive sleet]

the bridge will look like this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D04G_hxiuGc 0:32 in the video

[dusky dragon]

hello

[hollow fulcrum]

not much to move there buddy

hey Fox

unless you mean the bridge sections from the vehicle..

[cursive sleet]

when the bridge is deployed completly in the end of the video

[hollow fulcrum]

yeah if i did anything crazy it would be make them flex at the joints a bit.

[cursive sleet]

the animation of it sliding into position will be hidden selections or proxies. After it is in the position it is going to get hidden and a bridge from model will get spawned on that location

was the idea atleast :P

[hollow fulcrum]

i see

[cursive sleet]

yea, i was thinking about flexing at the joints

[dusky dragon]

oke, so everyone migrated to here then i guess

[hollow fulcrum]

I will be here for now. To at least support the effort. Plus it works well so far.. so we shall see.

[dusky dragon]

ehe

[cursive sleet]

Hi brian

[dusky dragon]

hi jonas

[cursive sleet]

Do anybody finds this chillstep relaxing? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cU1akTtb5aU

[plucky pecan]

WAIT! No more lag?

[hollow fulcrum]

I have yet to see it anyway. Watching carefully though.

much easier to navigate, the relative channels. but still have a dozen other channels on skype still. :|

[cursive sleet]

do you use the desktop app?

[hollow fulcrum]

yep, and have the mobile app. and for course the web based stuff works. actually all syncs very rapidly and consistently. few of us have been playing with it the last week and half or so.

[cursive sleet]

okay, is the any importent stuff about modelling i missed? xD

sucking information

[dusky dragon]

i have the desktop app aswell

[hollow fulcrum]

plus voice is directly integrated which is a nice feature to be explored later.

and no you haven't missed anything. was done in private channels :)

[cursive sleet]

okay

[hollow fulcrum]

(i gotta sort the smilies, there is a button/code for that)

[cursive sleet]

:) :(

;) they seem ok

[hollow fulcrum]

(╯°□°）╯︵ ┻━┻

[ember heart]

(╯°□°）╯︵ ┻━┻

[cursive sleet]

wasent that the code that crashed iphones before? :P

or text

[hollow fulcrum]

http://www.emoji-cheat-sheet.com/

[dusky dragon]

:)

[cursive sleet]

㊙

[dusky dragon]

how do i do all those smileys then

[hollow fulcrum]

dunno, i didnt read. but the clicking path seemed logical.

[cursive sleet]

:trollface:

damn

it isint in

[hollow fulcrum]

suggest PM testing of these things. I'm just trying to make people aware of foo ;)

or make a private channel quick. it's all, pretty easy.

[cursive sleet]

btw, what is the veterans thing?

army veterans or just veterans of this chat app?

[hollow fulcrum]

no clue. i qualify as both so ... i assume Dwarden testing foo.

[cursive sleet]

okay

[hollow fulcrum]

i could see the use of adding a select group of 'guru' types to that list. might make finding help or qualifying things for new guys easier.

then a group for known 'lifers' would be useful. (hahaha, sorry couldn't resist)

[cursive sleet]

do the voice thing works? i cannot see when my mic get activated

[hollow fulcrum]

no, these are text channels. there is a general chat voice channel for arma though.

[cursive sleet]

i tested it but i cant see my mic get activated when i talk :P like in TS the blue thing light up

[hollow fulcrum]

(i might make a sideline voice channel for model makers)

[cursive sleet]

nice

[rustic field]

Hello!, im completly new to the modding community in arma, i'been wanting to make this rpg29 mod for a while and i've been working in a 3d model for a while.
my question is, does the model need to be quats? or can it be all triangles
what texture software can i use to create textures

for reference im using blender for all the modeling. i have 0 experience in this field and im learning as i create the models

i been thinking about using substance painter to create the textures, but id like to know if you guys have any software that is better suited for newbies

[stuck oyster]

triangulated model ís best, it makes sure uvmapping stays same between programs

any program you know how to use can be used to make textures as long as you can export out images

for newbie any progrma is as "bad" as one will need to learn how it works

substance painter is good program but can be a bit expensive. but if you intend to continue modeling it can be good investment

texturing can be done in blender too as the blender node material system is pretty powerful

but also it can take more learning

[rustic field]

thx!

[hollow fulcrum]

who has a grappling hook gun/device type thing?

[dusky dragon]

KokaKola,

he is buddy of me

only the model though

[hollow fulcrum]

thats better than where i'm at. need something to get us from the water to the oil rig.. so 30 odd meters. well assuming i dont animate the rig.

[dusky dragon]

he has a crossbow

Rawner135 is going to script it for him, he said

[hollow fulcrum]

be interesting to see

[dusky dragon]

yep indeed

[woeful viper]

test

does this interface also exist in small? way too much space wasted...

[dusky dragon]

think so

[hollow fulcrum]

it's scalable and panels will collapse.

[plucky pecan]

The channel panel doesn't, atleast havn't found a way.

[hollow fulcrum]

yeah it's just the right panel. kinda like Skype!

[plucky pecan]

True that

How do you mention someone?

[dusky dragon]

@plucky pecan

just type @

and you see all the users

[plucky pecan]

Oh cool.

Cheers

[dusky dragon]

NP

[plucky pecan]

This really needs a ingame overlay.

[dusky dragon]

yep

with Overwolf or something

[cursive sleet]

Theres a ingame overlay for this app? :)

[hollow fulcrum]

dont think so, but you can run voice over a game. which is handy for those things.

[plucky pecan]

@cursive sleet Think you need to read what I said again.

[cursive sleet]

ohh okay

[woeful viper]

ok so how does the notification for mentions look?

[dusky dragon]

@woeful viper like this

[hollow fulcrum]

its nice really, auto fill pop box :P

[woeful viper]

ok then... if you need me, you know what to do :P

[hollow fulcrum]

haha, fair enough

[dusky dragon]

lol,

[north sundial]

Hmm

Model makers

[cursive sleet]

Yupp

[north sundial]

So you just click any channel to talk in it instead of having to join it seperately

[hollow fulcrum]

yep

[terse elm]

where do u change ur profile pic?

[cursive sleet]

Who made the mcwaiters building again?

[terse elm]

kenny and me

[north sundial]

<3

[hollow fulcrum]

user settings bottom left gear

on left panel (bottom right gear icon, user settings)

[north sundial]

Changed mine

[cursive sleet]

Nice

[terse elm]

gottya cheers

[cursive sleet]

what is the "playing ARMA III" thing bellow name tags?

[north sundial]

I don't see what you are on about

[cursive sleet]

https://gyazo.com/8f0891aa8dd597408c7865d6640aeb27

[woeful viper]

it propably means he is playing arma 3?

tough guess really...

[cursive sleet]

Was just thinking if it had something to do with some overlay stuff

[woeful viper]

veteran means he plays on veteran difficulty obviously

[hollow fulcrum]

lmao

[cursive sleet]

Good one

[hollow fulcrum]

those are actually sub groups dwarden was playing with. unimportant at the moment. bar the 'moderators' (be afraid)

KJ is a veteran

[woeful viper]

ima troll

[hollow fulcrum]

lol @ profile pic

[cursive sleet]

why skype logo?

[hollow fulcrum]

he just told you, he's a troll.

[cursive sleet]

http://i.memeful.com/media/post/1d4BJDM_700wa_0.gif

[woeful viper]

test 3

thank you crowd, i wanted to make something productive today and now you gave me yet another new thing to faff around with... successfully distracted yet again sigh

[drowsy sail]

Anyone else had issues with Arma3Toolbox for Blender not merging LODs on export? It's not giving me the tickbox option on the export screen, running 2.93 LTS - All other features seem to work as expected

[hollow fulcrum]

lmao, i am screaming that myself. as i feel like im now obligated to battle the trolls and assit in the transfer this morning. f'n logistics.. every f'n time..

[north sundial]

What distraction? heheh

[drowsy sail]

Potentially relevent console output:

  if len(texName) > 0 and texName not in texNames and texName[0] is not "#":
panels
lists
Register done```

[inland pawn]

Could attempt a reinstall

[stuck oyster]

Could be your blender is too old.

[hollow fulcrum]

https://github.com/Jiiks/BetterDiscordApp for the DEV pro's..

[old gulch]

I still use 2.93 LTS and it works fine

[pallid island]

syntax warning looks sound though

[plucky pecan]

Ah, minimal mode.

I'm putting that in my basket.

[hollow fulcrum]

figured KJ needed to be fully distracted but rewarded for participation.

not that it really does all that much. does address making things smaller. and also the need for proper smilie foo.

[stuck oyster]

you probably have a toolbox version that is compatible with it.

latest likely will need also latest blender

[old gulch]

Nah, I grabbed mine from github, at least a couple of months ago.

[stuck oyster]

[plucky pecan]

deIlluminati smilie foo.

Can't wait for the API release.

[hollow fulcrum]

there is a python wrapper floating around somewhere

[plucky pecan]

I don't know python.

[hollow fulcrum]

many moons ago, i could muddle my way through it. but yeah, that way with most code today. especially .sqf, which i blame for destroying all previous knowledge.

[plucky pecan]

haha, fucken arma again.

[woeful viper]

is there no search?

[plucky pecan]

Ohh guess not/

[hollow fulcrum]

no, but that is on the current dev sheet i think

[woeful viper]

you better not type anything important until this gets fixed...

[hollow fulcrum]

meh.. how many people actually back search and find good info on skype?

[woeful viper]

i do frequently

[hollow fulcrum]

i see it as more of a flowing conversation where anyone can jump in and find some help.

i have searched a couple times though. usually looking for something else i posted.

the feature will be here though. the guys really do seem to be on top of their chit.

[woeful viper]

yes my own stuff frequently, or something the handfull of selected people who know stuff posted...

[hollow fulcrum]

valid point

[woeful viper]

or when i wanna confirm that i already explained ABC to a guy several weeks back

again

[hollow fulcrum]

putting an ID on those handful of people is perhaps a good idea also. or at least those willing to be ID'd as such. maybe make finding help/info easier for new guys or even those old guys who are new to the talking to people bit..

and also valid point lol.

[plucky pecan]

I like how there is a channel notif mute.

[woeful viper]

ID? lol no...

[hollow fulcrum]

i didnt think you'd fall into that boat.

but i also support a list for known or suspected lifers. that would be useful. and they could even work themselves off the list. haha

[woeful viper]

now if the devs of this chat thingy could raise polycount limit in a3 as well that would be the swellest

[plucky pecan]

X3...

[hollow fulcrum]

the hardcoded bit is frustrating +1

[woeful viper]

no quoting either i suppose?

[plucky pecan]

no quoting either i suppose?

Nope

[hollow fulcrum]

thats right there with the search function.. lemme see if i can find the current dev todo

i read it a few days back, was pretty motivating.

[plucky pecan]

I'm off boys, enjoy. o/

[hollow fulcrum]

screen sharing in a month or two.. stuff like that in there also.

have a good one Raid

can not find the damn thing...

[boreal orbit]

Can you confirm what the mem point should be caused pleasE?

[stuck oyster]

very likely

[inland pawn]

You need pos driver and pos driver dir points

[boreal orbit]

GetOutLow

[inland pawn]

Though, keep in mind, some planes, like the Black Wasp(?) require a differently named memory point

[boreal orbit]

• the pos driver point

I think I've got it

thank you

[inland pawn]

That’s a get in/out action

[boreal orbit]

seems like the issue was my getoutaction I had the mem points

I would get out and just go vooom

changed it from helicoptercargo to GetOutLow

[inland pawn]

I usually use get out low or get out high depending on what vehicle I’m setting up

[boreal orbit]

small thing similar to cesnar

[stuck oyster]

helicoptercargo is not a valid getout animation/action, so yes that would indeed break it

[foggy finch]

Hatchet, ever had an object thats too big for OB>Model Viewer to display, but loads in A3 fine?

[hollow fulcrum]

ermm, not that i can recall speficially. that being said, i've pretty much been aware of the limitations from the beginning, so just played within what OB will handle.

[foggy finch]

well I just broke it :D

[hollow fulcrum]

which is a lot when you actually start using proxies.

[foggy finch]

50m x60m x 25m approx

[hollow fulcrum]

you lost me there

[foggy finch]

it's part of a larger structure im working on for bamburgh / 2017

those are the outside dimensions of the object

[hollow fulcrum]

i see

and the geometry breaks, right?

[foggy finch]

haha just doing the geolod now :D

we will see

[hollow fulcrum]

that technically should work. the limit is higher than what i always say is 50m. but i still don't understand what you broke.

[foggy finch]

well object builder > model viewer for some unknown reason wont load the model

but it loads fine in A3,

will see when I get the geo and roadway lods done

[hollow fulcrum]

well, OB should produce an error of some sorts. or you might really have something broken. not likely OB. if it's a count limit, it'll usually tell you that. what are you using to pack it with?

[foggy finch]

pbopro

[hollow fulcrum]

well if it's packing, and works properly, do it!

someone should make a set of these utilizing the FloatingStructures class or whatever it is, with mempoints for connecting with ropes easily or whatever, points for cargo, a roadway and little ai pathing:
http://www.maritimejournal.com/__data/assets/image/0007/676294/MJ-Newsletter-22-9-11-ASRY.jpg
http://img.nauticexpo.com/images_ne/photo-g/floating-platform-25707-7296177.jpg
http://www.boatdesign.net/forums/attachments/boat-design/78243d1359335333-retirement-houseboat-floating-home-005-2-.jpg

maybe skip the motor bit on the last image. simple stuff really. and would be very functional. probably not so much for moving ai, certainly not driving ai.. but yeah.. be cool.

[woeful viper]

look at rpt errors Uro

BD also produces rpt...

[hollow fulcrum]

^^ (is where you find errors of 'some sort' when not in yer face)

[foggy finch]

yeah just a couple of things in rpt about the geo lods, will fix them in due course, besides those it works as intended

thanks for the pointers though!

[inland pawn]

What would cause a model to show up in buldozer but be invisible in game?

[charred bolt]

What do you mean by "invisible in game"?

[inland pawn]

I have a helmet. It loads in buldozer fine, but when in game, it's invisible

[charred bolt]

So it's invisible in game which means you can't even see it in Eden as an object to select.

The more specific about your problem that you can be, the more likely the help you receive will be useful to you.

[inland pawn]

In game it's entirely invisible

[stuck oyster]

textures not loading is one possibility (pathing issue/file issue), no model.cfg connection (model should be between legs though), no helmet proxy on the unit in question (no other helmet will show up either)

[inland pawn]

Hmmm, I don’t think the type of unit I’m doing has a head proxy

I’ll have to check but I’m pretty sure that’s it

[white jay]

Hello! Im looking to get a bathrobe imported into a mod for arma 3, i havent really found any models or anything just reaching out to see if its doable

[stuck oyster]

possible yes. you would need a properly made model for that

but it may not look great as there is no cloth simulation so any long clothing has to move with the body

[cursive sleet]

Anybody wanna play DCS?

[hollow fulcrum]

thats more of an OFF TOPIC channel question. but i might actually be willing to do that in about 20mins.

[cursive sleet]

nice

[hollow fulcrum]

there is an OT channel btw

[cursive sleet]

sorry :P about the wrong channel :p

[quick terrace]

did everyone actually moved over to the new toy?

[hollow fulcrum]

managed to grab quite a few, and i have assumed a propaganda role in things.. been playing with it the last couple weeks.

so we're trying?

[cursive sleet]

I hope everyone jumps on here :P i like this app

Easy to switch channel and talk on other topics too

[quick terrace]

at least it seems it is lag free

[cursive sleet]

Yes

[hollow fulcrum]

it has its shortcomings, but i think the guys working on it are on point. and yes, no lag thus far.

lots of good stuff coming.

[quick terrace]

what shortcomings?

[hollow fulcrum]

just limited functinality, like searching, contact building, and other things. but most of the needed foo is here.

like @quick terrace

screen sharing is in dev right now i believe, along with things like the overlay for gaming.

the voice layer is pretty decent also. so perhaps more suitable for some groups.

[quick terrace]

i sort of like it is browser based

haven't tested the "app"

[hollow fulcrum]

or app, or phone app. except windows phone. i've tested all, very seamless, very well synced.

(bring forth the RHS (at some point))

[quick terrace]

i meant the IOS, OSX and win app

[hollow fulcrum]

haven't done OSX actually

[quick terrace]

(bring forth the RHS (at some point)) - maybe

not one's person call to make

[hollow fulcrum]

see previously claimed 'propaganda role'

oh and quoting is on the next to ready list i think

should be in pretty decent shape in a couple more months i think. it's stable for now, and functional enough.

anywho.. away for a bit. catch you guys later.

[cursive sleet]

okay see ya

did mikero join?

[quick terrace]

doubt it

[hollow fulcrum]

he seems a little standoff'ish currently. but he has spies here so... thats well enough for now i guess.

[inland pawn]

@stuck oyster It does have a headgear proxy. Still invisible

[marsh canyon]

What LODs you have?

[inland pawn]

1 visual, 1 view pilot and 1 geometry

[marsh canyon]

Can you put the helmet on the ground and see it?

[inland pawn]

No

[marsh canyon]

Hmm, I assume it is a section and hiddenSelections related I kinda think

If it has one, double check them

[inland pawn]

It doesn't have any hiddenSelections

At least, it shouldn't

[marsh canyon]

Hmm. Let's say, if you make a cube and call it a helmet, can you see them?

[inland pawn]

I'll test that next. Though, when we were doing this initially, the shadow appeared, but not the model

It's there. Just invisible

@marsh canyon Shows up on arma man at least

Won't work on our unit

Must be something in it's model or config

[marsh canyon]

Which unit/unifom?

[inland pawn]

I'm currently working on the Jackal from Halo. We have a helmet for them and they were built after the arma man and then suddenly all helmets stopped working

Do heads need headgear proxies?

[marsh canyon]

Yes

A headgear is not head, check the samples

Well, before I proceed, what model you try to implement right now? An uniform or a helmet?

[inland pawn]

Helmet

Let me get a pic

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/624359589927976960/1057515968928153820/Capture.PNG @marsh canyon

Our own custom kig yar targeting headpiece

It appears on the arma man, just not our JackalMan

[north sundial]

I know what will get him here, look mikero goats! 🐐 🐐 🐐 🐐 🐐

[marsh canyon]

Oh, then probably the uniform issue

Your, JackalMan, can have vanilla helms?

[inland pawn]

No, 0 helmets work for them

It's gotta be a uniform issue, but what

[marsh canyon]

Then the uniform doesn't have the headgear prox

[marsh canyon]

This suggests that it has the proxy in shadow LOD but not in visual

[inland pawn]

It does have the headgear proxy. It's in the same spot as arma man

[woeful viper]

the more you pester him the more unlikely he will join

[marsh canyon]

Make sure your uniform model has updated

[cursive sleet]

Yea :(

[marsh canyon]

Make sure every visual LODs have the proxy, too

[inland pawn]

They all do

[marsh canyon]

Strange

Maaaaaybe it is a config (not model) issue

(but can a config issue cause shadow-only proxy?)

[inland pawn]

I honestly have no clue

[median bough]

last thing i remember bout mikero he won't join discord

[woeful viper]

he wont leave his sacred ground, just like i said

[north sundial]

Haha BIMinions

Sorry just noticed the member title thing

[woeful viper]

when you need wisdom spoken to you - you travel to his hideout

[north sundial]

Far in the mountains

Guarded by goats

[stuck oyster]

remove texture from the helmet p3d (all empty fields) and test that

[marsh canyon]

Ah good idea

One thing unrelated to the recent topic: is it possible to let ArmaToolBox merge multiple objects in Blender with same LOD index into one LOD in OB upon exporting into a p3d? It could boost my workflow if is possible

[stuck oyster]

yes

it is very good system

[marsh canyon]

How would I do if I want to let them so? Maybe I'm using an outdated Toolbox?

[stuck oyster]

I personally prefer to always export with the "export selected ticked" to have control over what I export.
However exporting all works too if you have only stuff you want to export in the scene.

You would make multiple objects with arma properties enabled and same lod and lod number set and in the export dialog there should be this

assuming you have recent enough version

[marsh canyon]

Let me verify it once I'm back at the office

Well, at least I think I've never seen such option to tick. So I assume I'm outdated

[marsh canyon]

Just to verify what you mean, this screen is from Toolbox's export menu right?

[hollow fulcrum]

The mountains are not guarded by goats I assure you. Mikero has killed most if not all of them on his island. This is why we must pay to have the goats shipped to him. Which is reasonable considering the power of the things that dwell on the island.

[stuck oyster]

yes exactly that

[marsh canyon]

Good to know

[stuck oyster]

Im running toolbox v 3.1.1 it seems. Have not checked very recently if there are updates

[marsh canyon]

3.1.1? I must missing something. Think 3.0.4 is the latest I can find. Where do you find your copy of latest Toolbox?

Nevermind I just checked pinned

[stuck oyster]

😅

its directly from the source

[marsh canyon]

I thought the Git is the only place to install

[stuck oyster]

Alwarren sometimes shares beta versions

[woeful viper]

to be frank - not really liking the idea of having every single arma chat under one roof, simply for the reason of spammers idiots etc... "can i haz model made by u?" " i tweeted your wip screen to everyone" ...

[cursive sleet]

True that.

[terse elm]

uggghh change

[hollow fulcrum]

i considered this, im still 50/50 on how it's organized currently. i think there are both benefits and detractions. from the admin side, this is certainly easier to manage. and for the global lurkers.

however it does dump everyone into a single boat.

[woeful viper]

when this thing will work as intended and alot of people join... you will come back to me and praise me for my foresight mike...

[terse elm]

:-)

[errant anchor]

Hello :)

[woeful viper]

i would prefer seperate servers - one for gaming/server /testing channel and one for general editing and the likes

[cursive sleet]

Hi Cunico :)

[marsh canyon]

Hmm somehow I can't install 3.1.1, it says this upon I try to enable it

[hollow fulcrum]

meh, i had not considered that. that would be a little easier to manage than breaking all the channels up as it is in skype.

and Hello :)

[woeful viper]

basically like its on BI forum...

[hollow fulcrum]

i get what you're saying for sure, and inclined to agree. chit drives me nuts also.

[marsh canyon]

Huh I have merge LODs option whatsoever, disregard my last

[stuck oyster]

Hmm maybe 3.1.1 is already old.

[woeful viper]

i WIP(ped) something up http://abload.de/img/voxcaster6hsgd.jpg early stages ofc

[hollow fulcrum]

does it fly?!

[woeful viper]

no, it doesnt talk either... so it wont be a replacement for your dead parrot.

[hollow fulcrum]

/sigh

it does look cool though ;)

[woeful viper]

oh wait... yes it does talk

well not directly

[hollow fulcrum]

is that a light?

[woeful viper]

it's a field phone... light version

the "light" looking piece is a speaker

[hollow fulcrum]

alright, sorry. it all makes sense now.

you said not direct, and my brain goes -> ACRE route. so why would it be a speaker.. haha

[woeful viper]

it will be for this guy basically https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-JVxq1iJtGHY/TXPk9uMiGeI/AAAAAAAAEFw/MaZkDbX3WbU/s1600/100_1824.JPG
https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-EYF1_npMvmo/TXPk95cIvPI/AAAAAAAAEF4/u_sDBgG-oFk/s1600/100_1825.JPG

[hollow fulcrum]

ahh hahaha, thats awesome. 👍

that is a horrible thumbs up icon..

[errant anchor]

Am I allowed to post pictures?

[hollow fulcrum]

i believe so

depending on the general reaction, we'll go from there.

think most of it auto formats actually.. on image links.

[errant anchor]

this is my project at the moment http://i.imgur.com/QdcV6dP.jpg

[woeful viper]

neat

[errant anchor]

Still a WIP but its a start

[woeful viper]

i cant do wrinkles properly for the life of me...

[errant anchor]

same here lol

[hollow fulcrum]

that looks really good actually, keep that going for sure. :)

[errant anchor]

I can honestly say I've redone the pants at least 5x

[woeful viper]

well that looks pretty solid to me

[errant anchor]

Thanks, I was going for the more natural look

vs my other models where it's just like "lets put some wrinkles on it".

Thanks :)

[hollow fulcrum]

only thing that jumps out at me is the pulling behind in the knees. if it were like that in RL, i'd be wearing shorts.

[woeful viper]

better then my attempts... (i gave up after 2 reworks and used marvelous designer instead)

[errant anchor]

Yeah, I was going off different pictures but thats the area im kinda working right now

kinda a pain in the arse

[hollow fulcrum]

looks really good though man. i can see the attention to detail.

[errant anchor]

Thanks :)

[woeful viper]

before you go into crazy detail though... remember we are talking about arma here. So half the detail will get lost :P

[errant anchor]

yeah, kinda.

A lot of whats on it right now I'll be able to capture prety easy.

[hollow fulcrum]

lol its not that bad.. but.. it is arma.

[errant anchor]

Im not gonig to add fabric detail and stitching to the model like previous versions.

[woeful viper]

i think if at all, it would be better to just apply that via texture painting

[errant anchor]

yeah, exactly my plan.

[hollow fulcrum]

^^ is what i would do also

but would for sure do it.

i mean if you're doing it right, do it right.

[errant anchor]

Agree.

[woeful viper]

err... i would have wanted to give you a thumbs up. but the emoticon thing only shows a gazillion of stupid faces that i have no clue what those are supposed to mean o0

[errant anchor]

lol

[woeful viper]

are those memes? must be i guess... reddit/twitch barf

[hollow fulcrum]

nah i dont think so.. there are some pretty common ones though. i miss the old doom icons.

and still do :godmode: !!

[woeful viper]

ThunBeast ???

[hollow fulcrum]

lol, i can not account for all of things. this is true.

[woeful viper]

<insert random face> emoticon. bravo internet

[hollow fulcrum]

you know it helps.

[woeful viper]

the icon for emoticons also happens to block the end of longer texts...

unless i brought this upon myself by trying to install betterDsomething and failing... a distinct possibility

[hollow fulcrum]

lol

i didnt notice that to be honest.

[west otter]

Hello everyone. I'm trying to get into modding for my MILSIM unit but can't find a working download for Eliteness. Is it broken? If so is there a good alternative?

[marsh canyon]

https://mikero.bytex.digital/Downloads
This is always goto place to install Mikero's Tools

[west otter]

The code execution cannot proceed because DePbo64.dll was not found. Reinstalling the program may fix this problem.

This is the third time i'v e installed Eliteness from that website

[marsh canyon]

You need to install DePbo as well

[west otter]

https://tenor.com/view/smart-not-smart-man-forrest-gump-tom-hanks-gif-4496013

Do I need to install everything from that page?

[marsh canyon]

Not everything AFAIK, but in doubt, that's a good way

[west otter]

AFAIK??

[marsh canyon]

As Far As I Know

[west otter]

Gotcha

[stuck oyster]

get the all in one installer and it handles it for you

you dont really do anything with eliteness btw. its not the correct tool for other than viewing some data statistics

pboProject is the tool for pbo packing

[terse elm]

about to test drive ur mkv mr hatchet

[cursive sleet]

Do anybody know where GNAT is? havent seen him active in a long time

[hollow fulcrum]

i hope it floats 😮

[terse elm]

me too hha

ur in luck it floats

[hollow fulcrum]

sweet, really hope to update that this week.

[slate epoch]

Gnat? No idea

I liked his Oxygen tutorials, those got me into modding :D

[hollow fulcrum]

Gnat has been AFK for a bit.

[terse elm]

well hatchet hats off to you its quite impressive

[hollow fulcrum]

ah, ty sir. she needs some work, but it's been fun, mostly.

[terse elm]

handles really well too

[warm trench]

Don't suppose you could remind me what the trick is for telling Arma that something is transparent, could you?
Just trying to add a semi transparent lens to a weapon attachment and I know there's something I need to do within object builder to get this to work but can't remember what it is...
(Alpha should be set in the .paa as is the forcenotalpha on the geom LOD.)

I've been searching the channel and my notes and annoyingly can't find it!

[warm trench]

Sorry - I was an idiot and used _CO not _CA!

[languid charm]

Is it possible to prevent physical object from pitching and rolling without blocking movement.
setVectorUp for whatever reason stops movement.

[stuck oyster]

This is indeed the answer! 👍👍

[stuck oyster]

Please explain the exact situation what you try to do.

[languid charm]

I have a capsule shaped object that I use as a substitute collider for a unit in a mod I am making unfortunately it pitches and rolls when moving against surfaces and I need to keep it vertically locked (yawing is fine)

[stuck oyster]

Unit as I'm character?

[languid charm]

It looks like this
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1011266123796316300/1058087623278743622/image.png

[languid charm]

yes

can't use players collider because ropes don't work with player model

[stuck oyster]

Yeah I'm following

And so when it's pulled up it goes all wonky

[languid charm]

mostly when it encounters small ledges.

[stuck oyster]

It's good to see someone exploring this concept! 👍👍

How much does it weight?

[languid charm]

against smooth surfaces without significant offset it is fine

[stuck oyster]

One thing that could help a bit is to make the geometry very bottom heavy

And other could be to make its top more pointy instead of round

The steeper top angle could steer it away from ledges

[languid charm]

I do setMass 100 on the colider

[stuck oyster]

Do you have a P3d for it?

[languid charm]

yes

[languid charm]

moving CoM helped but I probably overdid it too much mass in one point makes physics wonky

Making top pointier helped slightly but I would hope for something with a more pronounced effect.

[languid charm]

Is it possible to make geometry slippery instead of having default high friction?

[obsidian egret]

Abit off topic, but im on the hunt for these buildings, They look arma 1 era to me, has anyone seem them before? Flashpoint arma2/1. Would be really helpful if someone knows.

[inland pawn]

Is it possible to attach rtms to a vehicle? Or does it need to be a script

[languid charm]

I ultimately solved the problem by going to spherical collider that can roll without issue as capsule was sliding poorly.

[stuck oyster]

👍

[stuck oyster]

it is an undocumented feature witch may be little wonky. A2 scud launcher deploy was powered with RTMS

and scripting would need to be used to run those rtms as I dont think there is any native way to connect actions to it

[inland pawn]

Update, figured it out. No view pilot LOD

[stuck oyster]

👍

[plucky pecan]

The problem with this right now is that only the people that know what they are doing have come across. There are no questions for me to anwser. :z

[wraith tendon]

You mean those glorious Answers like "Look in the Samples" or burner like "SAMPLES!!!111oneoneone"? :D

[plucky pecan]

hahahaha So true I won't lie.

[wraith tendon]

:D

[plucky pecan]

I mean someone has to tell them right?

[wraith tendon]

but most of the stuff is.. meh. not very helpfully

[plucky pecan]

Atleast most of the variables are commented.

[warm trench]

I don't suppose there's any way to shed multiple light sources from a single weapon accessory is there?
I've tried adding a second Flashlight(2) class, inheriting from the official Flashlight class but as expected, that doesn't work.

I was just trying to get slightly nicer overall effects than just the inner/outer cone angles.
Perhaps I'll have to investigate the flashlight volumes further?

[stuck oyster]

Don't recall seeing any with more than one light at least.

[tender hemlock]

What is the transparency issue here?

[charred bolt]

_co texture?
Supershader rvmat?

[tender hemlock]

This is what happens when you enable HBAO+ in game settings

it fixes itself when i close HBAO+

[stuck oyster]

texture contains transparency

so game thinks its transparent

and then HBAO reacts to it like that

[harsh wedge]

am i doing something that's causing all the p3ds i include in a mod to take forever to open ingame?

nothing too bad but still a sizeable freeze of a few seconds compared to the usual near instant

though they arent my models if it helps, just stuff ive been given

[inland pawn]

Usually that should happen for really badly optimized assets or new skeletons that aren’t ARMA man

[harsh wedge]

seems weird though because the mods the assets are originally from load them instantly

am i forgetting to binarize something?

should p3ds already be binarized before addon building?

[inland pawn]

P3ds Binarize during the packing process. Unless given to you with permission, it is not allowed to debinarize p3ds that are not yours

[harsh wedge]

they've all been given with permission

[stuck oyster]

What are they, who made them, who gave them to you, why are you packing them again?

[harsh wedge]

vests
made by ookiejamie
given by ookiejamie
packing them again because the original was made for aegis and I'm retexturing them and putting them in an rhs related mod

the defender vests to be specific

[stuck oyster]

Retexturing via hidden selections not enough?

[harsh wedge]

no? like i mentioned I'm repacking them to avoid extra unrelated dependencies

[cedar coral]

I hope we can get Mikero over here? He seems pretty happy in Skype channel....... :-(

[wraith tendon]

He will, sooner or later :P

[cedar coral]

lol. a question for @woeful tartan -- Could we get a playwithsix and map builder channels? I think that would bring the community closer together?

[wraith tendon]

#arma3_terrain ?

Or do you mean the Tool Map Builder?

[cedar coral]

yes, sorry, neo's map builder tool

[velvet kite]

im trying to write the configs for a German Flak 37 8.8cm and can not seem to find the information on the ammunition explosives used. Or the bore twist etc to use it in ACE3.

[charred bolt]

Assuming you're using pboProject, I've got a feeling it's something to do with compression of p3d's or rvmat's (perhaps when obfuscated), we've seen this before.
Experiment with some of the compression settings to check if you can pack in a way that doesn't give the lag.

[harsh wedge]

alright, will do. thanks for the advice

[last spindle]

So it said i have a mention somewhere.....but it doesnt show me, and i dun wann go through the history :s

[twilit depot]

Does anyone know the cause for why buldozer isn't syncing actions with my Object Builder, e.g I edit a UV pos in O2 and it never updates in Buldozer, furthermore, if I go to alt-f4 buldozer, it basically takes 5 minutes to actually close and freezes up the application.

[stuck oyster]

is it very heavy model?

thise can take long time to refresh

[twilit depot]

Doesn’t matter the complexity

[stuck oyster]

odd then. off the top of my head dont have any ideas unfortunately

[ember heart]

@errant anchor <3

[cursive sleet]

Is Cunico online?

[ember heart]

Was earlier judging by the history

[cursive sleet]

Ok. The IOS App for discord is nice :)

[hollow fulcrum]

Yeah I much prefer the dark theme also. Although you can't mute channels/notifications like you can with the desktop app.

[cursive sleet]

I agree

[hollow fulcrum]

all in good time though, all in good time.

speaking of time, im going back to bed.

(teething children, so annoying at times..)

[cursive sleet]

Okay have fun :P

[woeful tartan]

@cedar coral mapbuilder ? you mean software, why you need more than #arma3_terrain ? and playwithsix belongs under #arma3_tools

[charred bolt]

Do you have more than one UV set, and you're editing the wrong one?

[twilit depot]

No

Doesn’t matter if it’s the most very basic thing in the world

The UV stuff was just an example

Textures won’t update, rvmat changes, etc

LODs

It’s like bulldozer has a bad connection to O2 lol

[charred bolt]

So if you start a new p3d and make a cube, when you open it in Buldozer you see a previous complex model?

[undone pine]

Hello guys, I'm having trouble making pbo's with the new version of PboProject. I'm having a problem when it comes to test the .rtm. It says I'm missing a skeleton bone but it's everytime a different one.

.using \HL_Veh_14\RTM\model.cfg to test Driver_Dodge_Durango.rtm
===using OFP2_ManSkeleton to binarise rtms===
skeleton is missing '┬¿;G├┐├ÿ☺'
.preprocessing files produced an error

I have the 3.59 version of Pboproject. I apologize if it's the wrong section to post this question !

[last spindle]

does anyone know if i can use 'time' animation source in ammunition model classes? well for the purpose of spinning fins on a long range arty shell

?

or if animations will work at all for ammunition, not that it wll ever actuall even be seen lol, but looks good in slow motion videos

[twilit depot]

Yes

I’ve tried reinstalling and validating the install files for O2 already

[stuck oyster]

Sounds like obfuscation issue or you just have buggy modelcfg

[twilit depot]

I don’t know if there’s some stuff on my p drive I could try removing

Or running a compat mode on O2

[undone pine]

I have the exact model.cfg from Mikero's doc. It's really weird because it's only happening to me since the newest version of pboproject 3.59.
Do you know if I can contact Mikeros?

[stuck oyster]

He has a discord for the tools now

[undone pine]

Do you have the link? I did'nt find it on his website. Or I'm literally blind ahaha

[wraith tendon]

hmm, good question

[stuck oyster]

https://discord.gg/9Aw7Ts9r

It's probably linked in the all in one launcher and mikeros wiki

[undone pine]

Thanks 🙂

[charred bolt]

Very odd, can't say I've heard of this before.
Check your OB settings (File>Options) for buldozer.

[twilit depot]

https://i.ibb.co/zJs6FjL/image.png

[charred bolt]

I'd recommend you set-up buldozer using mikero's tools, not the Arma3 steam tools.

[twilit depot]

? I'm using the params from the PMC wiki

And I've used these parameters before for like years until this suddenly started happening

So I dunno

I wasn't aware there was a buldozer setup through Mikero's stuff 😅

[stuck oyster]

Could try verifying Arma tools

[twilit depot]

Then again it's been 2+ years since I've actually setup my work stuff

[twilit depot]

I've done this several times already unfortunately

[civic forge]

Hi All, im trying to work out the shadow lods, everything is correct in-game apart from this one area - https://imgur.com/tGcfWJC, ive set the mesh to triangulate and sharp, any other suggestions?

[stuck oyster]

Arma3p sets up buldozer to run from the arma3 exe directly instead of the copied/renamed buldozer. Exe

[twilit depot]

Well, I do know that I setup my work drive with Arma3p

[stuck oyster]

It's probably too big

[twilit depot]

Suppose I'll verify again and maybe try running it in a compat mode

[stuck oyster]

Worth a shot

[twilit depot]

It's only O2 that I have this issue with

[stuck oyster]

Oh and try swapping the Arma 3 exe between 32 and 64 bit exe

For buldozer launch path

[twilit depot]

TB works fine

I've tried swapping between the 32 and 64bit exe and I found that there's a higher latency with the 64 bit version

for whatever reason

[stuck oyster]

The tools are not exactly known for consistency

[twilit depot]

I wonder actually

If it's because the tools themselves are on a separate drive partition

Than my work folder

Like physically I have the tools on my HDD and not my SSD 😅

I'll try that haha

[twilit depot]

No luck, so I guess I'll let it stay broken

[wraith tendon]

erm... Okay, something very very new for me:
Starting Arma with Addon -> Circular addon Dependency in 'AddonName'

Okay, now start the game with param: "No Logs" enabled in A3 Launcher -> It starts oO

(no error Msg)

[last spindle]

you have and addon1 the requires and addon2, and addon 2 requires addon 1, comes from the part of cfgPatches

[wraith tendon]

"" now start the game with param: "No Logs" enabled in A3 Launcher -> It starts oO ""

+It does not, thats the point

[last spindle]

yeah but it is something that shouldnt happen, i would bet that it would work,but it is just not good

[wraith tendon]

class CfgPatches
{
class AW_B_Houses
{
units[] = {};
weapons[] = {};
requiredAddons[] = {};
};
};

Thats it, so...

[last spindle]

if things are built using mikeros tools, make sure that it isnt rebuilding the requiredaddons

[wraith tendon]

hmm. good point. Ill take a look

aannnddd it does...

But still: Why doesn't it detect it, when No Logs is enabled? strange

[last spindle]

probably because no-logs is turning that part of the debug off, it doesnt generate logs, makes sense that atleast some error checks are not bothered with i guess, or is just a bug

[wraith tendon]

tbh, that should be still enabled.

[white jay]

why does my model look soggy

don't answer this seriously I have a lot to learn first

[stuck oyster]

Wheres the model from?

[white jay]

I made it

[unkempt token]

Object Builder tends to display things funky with solid-fill faces in my experience. If you aren't happy with it you could try using an edge split modifier before exporting from Blender, assuming you made it in blender.

[white jay]

it's

yeah

work in progress

[stuck oyster]

I'd suggest marking up sharp edges and keeping the object in. Smooth shade mode so you can see the sharp/soft surfaces

Also the Armatoolbox P3d export should export auto smoothed sharp/soft edges

[rapid tree]

so idk where to ask this but for my mods i want to add decals to arma 2 vehicles, i know how to make decals in general etc but sometimes i have to follow the shape of the model for a decal, can anyone explain me how i can connect single points to form a plain or something like that ?

[stuck oyster]

Depends on the program used. Check manual.

[rapid tree]

I use Object Builder

[stuck oyster]

Id strongly recommend something else for easier modeling

[white jay]

yea will test things out when the model is done thanks

tho I did create my first mod

worked with the files of a face mask and accidentally made mario kart

[woeful viper]

@last spindle yes you can use time for ammunition, i saw someone making spinning razor disks in arma2

however... i wonder if artillery ammo models follow the angle of flight path... because if you use a tracer on a bullet it stays in the direction is was fired into, no matter how steep it drops. From what i can remember, havent tested that stuff in a long time

[unkempt token]

Here's a new one. I've got a bunker model with 2 doors. Door01 works great... Door02 doesn't do anything. I checked the config and model, it is bulletproof from what I can tell- tried troubleshooting by removing/renaming door01 things to door02 things but no dice, and in the p3d file itself, it all looks good. But in OB + in game, only Door01 will animate, door02 just doesn't seem to exist. Am I missing anything obvious? I can post config if needed but I think it's solid after this troubleshooting.

P3d name matches classname matches skeleton name

[unkempt token]

Okay, I've done a ton of troubleshooting- it seems that the Named Selection in 0.000 is not being found by the config. The other door works, but Door02 doesn't, I tried renaming, redefining, etc. Nothing.

[unkempt token]

This has me so stumped. I totally cleared 0.000 and reimported the mesh, redid all the named selections for door01, door02, and the camo for hiddenselection, and STILL nothing- Door01 works fine, Door02 wont recognize at all. The memory points for Door02_axis and Door02_trigger worked when I tied them to Door01

https://i.imgur.com/iHFg3X9.png

[charred bolt]

We'll probably need to see the config.cpp and model.cfg

[umbral shuttle]

I have a vehicle with a Buoyancy lod, and then in Geometry have the named property of Buoyancy = 1 and in game it does float but cant move/turn once in water. I am inheriting off the base arma 3 badger that does float so config wise I am 99% its okay, so is there anything else I have to do in object builder to make a vehicle moveable in water?

[unkempt token]

Sure thing-
Config.cpp: https://pastebin.com/tSfGLaVc
Model.cfg: https://pastebin.com/FXpkzRP9

[stuck oyster]

your bones definition is not right

they are done in pairs

you dont have a door2 bone at all right now

just door1 that has non existing parent bone door2

[unkempt token]

Oh my god that worked

As always, thank you so much again haha

[stuck oyster]

always good idea to look how the samples do things, they cover most if not all of the basic setups

[charred bolt]

There are some config values to adjust related to position of engine in water which change with p3d (object size).

[umbral shuttle]

oh right, that would be engineShiftY right? so would I have to adjust that value so that the engine is in water just a little bit based of I guess the center of mass?

I got that from https://community.bistudio.com/wiki/Arma_3:_Ships_Config_Guidelines

[charred bolt]

Yes, sorry not at pc to be more helpful. Change that value initially before looking at other physx related values, such as engine power and drag/friction.

[umbral shuttle]

Okay will try, tho I suspect the values to be correct enough where it should move a little bit. Maybe the mass being 600 is an issue so I can try toying with that

[white jay]

is this guide outdated

[woeful viper]

4 years, that was practically yesterday... still usable

[marsh canyon]

If is a valid guide, though

Model wise there is no real significant change since then, not sure if there is some major config change but most unlikely

[stuck oyster]

The bleder ui has changed since but the process is same still

[white jay]

alrighty that's no issue

thanks

[white jay]

idk Bohemia could've changed something yesterday that'd make it obsolete so doesn't hurt to ask before sinking in 4 hours

[hollow fulcrum]

:coffee:

[slate epoch]

:P

[hollow fulcrum]

oh, it actually works in the app. i was on the phone app at the time. well, that makes me feel better.

""however... i wonder if artillery ammo models follow the angle of flight path... ""
@woeful viper for some reason i want to say they follow the trajectory. but can't find that video.

be interested in knowing myself for sure.

[inland pawn]

What controls where the model makes contact with the ground?

Is that LandContact?

Or geo?

[charred bolt]

LandContact determines how it sits in Eden Editor on in-game if not physx (incl a physx vehicle set to "simple object").
Geometry LOD controls collision with non-physx objects (like people).
Geo Phys LOD controls collision with physx objects (like grenades, other vehicles, buildings)
For a physx vehicle, how it sits on the ground when live, is controlled by physx config values and p3d memory points.

[stuck oyster]

put axis memorypoints in correct place

[vestal flint]

Do you have any tutorial for this?

[marsh canyon]

Putting a memory into a right place has no tutorial I think. What model.cfg does this? Check axis, move memory where the door should rotate

[vestal flint]

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=2443585833&searchtext=police+station

[marsh canyon]

The brief look of the axis and rotation relationship. Where the X is the axis and rectangle is the door model itself

[vestal flint]

so the door axis is inverted?

[marsh canyon]

No, not in the right place

[stuck oyster]

yes there are various tutorials that touch animating too and the BI wiki pages for model.cfg and "how to animate a model" and the arma3 samples show all of it

[vestal flint]

i'm going to try thanks for you help.

[marsh canyon]

Brief pic: red X is where your axis, and black X is where it should be

[umbral shuttle]

What happens if there is no LandContact LOD? I assume the geo lod is used? and is there any downside to not having a landcontact lod

[stuck oyster]

some things may rely on it

[umbral shuttle]

Okay I will have it then, I didnt see anything about this but should the points be lower or higher then the wheels in geo lod?

[stuck oyster]

check sample models for reference. a bit under the wheel points is common if I remember right

[umbral shuttle]

Ah okay, yeah the landcontact is higher (like in the wheel) then the geo wheel

[bold kindle]

from my tests with bullet cam i can say that it seems to work for the mk6 and the m4 socher

[woeful viper]

could be that this is the key difference between simulation= shotshell and shotbullet

[halcyon bluff]

Are single LODS supposed to be one mesh? If i have a box, thats supposed to have like a small sign attached to it, does it make sense to make them one mesh or is it just as good to keep them seperate but within the same LOD?

Because merging them obviously costs time, especially to make the interfacing faces not ngons

[stuck oyster]

No they don't need to be single mesh

[halcyon bluff]

Is there a benefit in doing it?

[stuck oyster]

No

[halcyon bluff]

thats a straight forward Answer i can work with

[hollow fulcrum]

hrmm.. so i'm trying to decide what to do with the remote spotlight on the Mk.V ... what I would like is for that crew member to be able to operate it from his seat (which is offset from the light), and i need the gunnerView to basically be where the operators head is, and rotate with the light. ie.. you're looking out the windows to 'aim' the spotlight..

hooking the gunnerView point to the light would just not be realistic.. unless i add a camera to it or something..

nevermind.. when all else fails add mooooaaarrr animation foo! fixed.

now i just need to animate the twin .50s and all is well, less sound foo I think. oh and fix a couple scripts. my crafty physx anchor/ropes system seems to be farkled currently. 😒

[woeful viper]

nevermind.. when all else fails add mooooaaarrr animation foo! fixed.
there is some property "aimturret" or something like that... its used for helicopters gunners to point the turret where the gunner is looking, so that would be ideal in your case

@hollow fulcrum turretFollowFreeLook = 0; is the solution

[stuck oyster]

OB needs to be set on DX draw mode as win 10 does not like the old draw mode

[stuck oyster]

there is a blue yellow DX button in the toolbar

you need to do that on all viewports

and there is a setting to enable it by default in the options/settings in the "file" menu

[hollow fulcrum]

hrmm... i used the spotlight as source for a couple rotations of the gunnerView mempoint. that does seem like a better option though.

see if that works..

[umbral shuttle]

nvm figured it out lol

[hollow fulcrum]

the current solution is nice because when you come out of the 'gunnerView', the light stays where it was pointed and you can free look around as a normal piece of cargo.

[woeful viper]

hm ok with follow freelook it will always point

[hollow fulcrum]

yeah, that might be sub optimal. thanks for the info though, cuz i was unaware of that variable in the first place.

[woeful viper]

yeah havent seen this either before, but i occasionally config dump vehicles/weapon configs and skim through every bit there is in sub and default classes

[hollow fulcrum]

i need a current All-In-One config (DEVB). i used to generate my own, but have forgotten how/what/which means to compile it.

[marsh canyon]

Those files should have proper suffix, eg yourTexture_nohq.paa

[stuck oyster]

No, you have multitude of texture type Arma does not use

Arma uses older specular gloss type shading and no the more recent metal/rough pbr

@deep cargo

You can find more info in the #arma3_texture pinned messages

And yes it makes things somewhat more complicated

You will need to learn how to convert the files

[marsh canyon]

Most of Arma models can be decent enough, or under the limitation are stll nice

SOGPF models are one of the examples

[stuck oyster]

Using wrong kinds of textures can have negative impact on how things look

Like pbr albedo is too plain and roughness metallic can't really be used at all as they are

So yes I would say it will look bad in comparison to what you might expect it to look like compared to some proper pbr render

[cedar coral]

@woeful tartan fair enough on the text channels.

[warm trench]

Does anyone know what the vanilla laser.p3d looks like?
I've got some ideas I'd like to try for changing laser appearance a little and spotted @marsh canyon had made a version to play with laser effects in the blurry laser mod.
Any info available anywhere?
Not sure if Polpox would be willing to share an image or something of what the model and UV sheet needs to look like?
(Googling/searching produced nothing so far!)

[marsh canyon]

IIRC it should be the same with A2OA laser

[bold flare]

gib path to it

[warm trench]

Is that available in a samples pack somewhere?
(Sorry - used to play OFP but then didn't really have time for PC stuff until A3 where I've been modding for a bit.)

[warm trench]

Not sure I know what you mean. I know where the original A3 version is but I'm 99% sure it's an encrypted pbo so can't see what it looks like.
(Will double check that's the case though.)

[bold flare]

yes i want that path

it won't be encrypted

[warm trench]

standby...

A3/data_f/laserBeam.p3d