Arma Cold War Assault is Operation Flashpoint rebranded on steam with BI as the publisher
#general_chat_arma
spark kindle
I am just wondering, does anyone know a good campaign/ mission that rein-acts accurate modern wars, such as in Afghanistan with realistic map and also civilian situations.
wraith jungle
Saiki best anime @balmy lotus
urban sluice
@spark kindle hearts and minds maybe? Throw it on your favourite middle eastern, african, balkan, or asian map π
tranquil bay
define "well"
rugged knot
ryzen 5 1400x
hearty island
the gpu won't be your bottleneck if that's what you are asking.
Btw we also have #hardware_vs_arma
rugged knot
1080p 60fps?
tranquil bay
never
rugged knot
im willing to sacrifice quality
tranquil bay
maybe
hearty island
solid 60fps. no. never.
Maybe you get to or over 60 from time-to-time. But not constant 60fps
rugged knot
hmm... so its badly optimised
tranquil bay
no, it's not.
in most cases it's 3rd party stuff like mods or missions that are badly made
thin sable
also compared to other games Armas terrains are huge
fossil ermine
i can play in singleplayer with 60FPS constant, with little to no dips
MP is a completly different beast, and there are more things that comes into play
rugged knot
are the dlcs needed?
solemn zodiac
instead of the game attempting to balance one player's FPS, it's trying to balance possibly dozens of players at once with all of the complicated calculations, ballistics
rugged knot
like essential to the game?
solemn zodiac
that's really dependent on what role you want to run with in all honesty, most of them are extensions to most roles
apex is the only one people consider to be essential, but that's because it adds tons of content
but even then, not really. you can totally enjoy the game for a few hundred hours without issue
knotty plinth
^ I enjoyed the base game for 500+ before getting DLC bundle one, then a thousand or more hours, APEX, another few thousand, DLC bundle 2
fossil ermine
i never had that issue, supporters edition and all π
i consider apex and expansion not a DLC
solemn zodiac
i think most people do, however plenty of people don't properly understand the difference
fossil ermine
i also might be biased towards APEX, but i think it should be top of the list on aditional stuff to buy for A3
tranquil bay
it "expands" the armaverse for one new terrein and a bit lore
solemn zodiac
honestly, apex could've been it's own arma game with what it contains
add in like six extra guns, and that's totally reasonable to just have as a standalone tbh
urban sluice
@solemn zodiac by a3 standards, maybe π
We require Apex because it has a decent terrain in it, but we don't use the other DLCs, they are all content mostly in a future setting.
fossil ermine
adds and entire new island
with all custom models, from rocks, houses, infrastructure etc
most here only care about weapons, gear and vehicles
but try and play with a fuckton of these sort of assets on the VR map
see how fun that is
urban sluice
We care more about the assets we can use like the terrain and the assets for terrains that other map makers use. We use RHS for our AKs and technicals so it is mostly about that terrain and all that entails.
We don't really play Tanoa all that often however because it is mostly jungle and it isn't the best performing map so it is a bit of a limited scenario terrain.
fossil ermine
i actually had quite a dip on tanoa on my old SSD
with the new one is not all that bad
again, it isn't only about the mesh density, that is secondary
quartz magnet
in single player my fps takes a massive dip from having AI involved
fossil ermine
on tanoa specifically?
quartz magnet
no, in general
quartz magnet
of course but more than a squad or two
like even the showcase missions run at ~24 fps
fossil ermine
hmmm, weirdly
quartz magnet
whereas coop MP on a dedicated server can be a good 50+ fps
or clean scene SP perf
solemn zodiac
i don't think i've ever done a mission on tanoa where my FPS was ever over 20 at any point during the mission
solemn zodiac
any other map ~40fps
eight AI on tanoa?
you better bet your computer's a flamethrower
quartz magnet
i don't get it that bad, but it does go under 30
solemn zodiac
fair enough, my computer also isn't a beast either
urban sluice
The last time I run benchmarks I found Tanoa to be at worst half the performance of Altis, mainly around its towns looking inwards towards the jungle. We already know that Towns are very CPU dominated in performance and the worst place in the game but Tanoa adds a lot of GPU load with its jungles and the combination seems to produce substantially worse performance.
I haven't played SP in years, probably not since Apex was released so anything I say is way out of date to be useless probably, but I had a lot of performance problems in single player. Wasn't uncommon to see sub 30 fps, I didn't at the time see things as bad in multiplayer on the dedicated server.
The new Apex coop campaign however I recall ran fine.
ArmA 3 is very well optimised imo. The only issues I've had was using non official content. All BI made missions have worked flawlessly (fps wise) for me when run vanilla.
warped meadow
They have improved a lot since it came out.
Sadly the community has kept in mind the hard start that the game had. To me now, the game is running perfectly when the engine doesn't have to deal with a stupid Zeus spawning 5k AI on the map, or running a 110pl mission on a server set for 20pl !
urban sluice
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That type of approach to making missions tends to lower your fps.
pale patio
If you think people confusing 'DLC' and 'expansion' is annoying, you should try being a software engineer and seeing people constantly referring to games being "badly optimised" when they almost always are extremely well optimised. Case in point, Arma 3, a modern game with massive terrains, huge numbers of AI, realistic ballistics, audio, real simulated day/night cycles, phases of the moon etc and yet still manages to achieve 60fps running almost entirely on a high clock speed single core is the exact opposite of bad optimisation. If it utilised all cores 100% and only just achieved 60fps ... that would be bad optimisation.
pale patio
π©
multi-core processors have actually encouraged some very bad programming, where instead of squeezing everything possible from the hardware, people just throw things into their own threads. Not that multi-thread programming is bad, far from it, but giving applications more cores and memory to work with has resulted in less effort in writing efficient code. π€·
urban sluice
I'll just wait for quantum computers when code will be thrown at you like youtube videos and workshop items.
jaunty whale
@pale patio eh, not in the professional world
In the hobbyist/single programmer world, yeah
But with engineering firms, etc, we have very strict performance guidelines to adhere to... you can lose your job if it's not efficient enough
I expect BI has learned from past releases and stresses program efficiency a bit more now
pale patio
@jaunty whale I'd definitely agree that it's not universal, it varies and for some specific areas including the media and financial sectors in which I work performance is critically important. However I would disagree that this is an issue restricted to hobbyists, in fact some of the most diligent work I've seen is done by hobbyists on open source projects.
jaunty whale
I would disagree for the most part, but once in awhile I find a great hobbyist that makes efficient work... I'm just speaking generally
Definitely not a one size fits all type deal
pale patio
Viewpoints may be different depending on what your exposed to I guess.
turbid quartz
Classing the 'professional world engineering firms' as those with the mentality of firing people for inefficient code is a little extreme
I would argue the hobbyist/open source projects often have the better code
Guess that highly depends on how large a project/company you're with though
A lot of places suffer from legacy issues
hearty island
Yes. My code is splendidest
tender pagoda
Hey there lads
tranquil bay
tender pagoda
Thx, didnΒ΄t notice that
spark kindle
just bought Apex DLC helicopters, karts, marksman and laws of war time to test them out !
quiet pine
Enjoy! :+1:
keen prism
spark kindle
Thank you I am really liking the spar from marksman
tranquil bay
@urban sluice
- play ALL VR tutorials
- play ALL bootcamp missions
- play the campaigns
dreamy marsh
Then be angry that you didn't buy it earlier
tranquil bay
π
balmy lotus
@spark kindle SPAR is from Apex.
urban sluice
The only real way to play arma is to jump onto a public coop server as a pilot your first time
dry beacon
Or as a teamleader
balmy lotus
The above are both bad ideas
sweet igloo
Thatβs what makes it fun
dry beacon
No like seriously you won't learn playing if you start as a soldier and just follow orders
Atleast for me
frosty grotto
Nothing wrong with the pilot for first time suggestion. It's just another way to get your ass kicked into shape by everyone else on the server.
balmy lotus
^ Reason why a lot of people get detered from the game
ornate cedar
Hey, quite new player here, is there a newbie squad willing to let me join?
urban sluice
My friend played arma for the first time with ACE/ACRE and did fine. Learned to snipe (in advanced ballistics) within 15 minutes, after a quick basic tutorial by me. I think we just let the idiots overrepresent themselves.
Plenty. Milsim "units" LOVE recruiting people for their schemes. Look further down in discord for the channels.
willow verge
Hey does the blackfish have another cross hair on the gunner camera to predict where shots will hit?
Or how to enable it
frosty grotto
@balmy lotus That's a funny way to say "A server browser full of life & exile servers". π
red gale
I wonder why its full of those π€
ancient prism
π€
jaunty whale
balmy lotus
jaunty whale
I don't think there are even many life servers outside Altis anymore
I see a lot of those in the server browser
red gale
altis life is the most popular gamemode in a3
jaunty whale
Pretty broad statement. What proof have you?
tranquil ember
does anybody know of any good voice attack profiles for Arma
jaunty whale
π¬
frosty grotto
Rockstar should capitalize on this life market with a new GTA title suited to it.
red gale
Just take a quick glance at the top servers, majority are altis life
frosty grotto
Maybe then the plague will be on its death throws.
balmy lotus
So, altis life being in top servers = most popular?
red gale
yep
If you can give me stats otherwise then ill take it, but as i see it. Atlis life is the most popular gamemode on arma 3 currently.
balmy lotus
You do realize we are talking about "the most" popular instead of "what's popular" correct?
midnight swift
@willow verge The Blackfish uses a Fire Control System. Refresh it using T.
red gale
yes, the most popular gamemode on arma 3 is altis life. I'd like to see any data that says otherwise.
solemn zodiac
i remember having this discussion a few months back
the problem is, what is quite possibly the most popular gamemode, the quite vague genre of "milsim" is all handled on private servers
so stats don't really properly exist for them
red gale
Β―_(γ)_/Β―
jaunty whale
"As I see it" != proof
They are top servers because they are large servers
Not because thats where majority of players are
balmy lotus
The way I see it, KOTH is more consistantly filled.
You have a few koth servers, and life servers that have the grip on most of it's playerbase
Olympus, Code4, etc
red gale
Β―_(γ)_/Β―
molten swift
i mean milsim is flexiable
i had some people say that "calling others sir" is still a valid option for semi-milsim
hushed kraken
People with delusions of competence.
novel coral
^yesss
solar mesa
do you guys know any joysticks and other flight stuff thats not so expensive?
novel coral
Im active duty and love the game but hate that when I try to play a video game where people act hard for no reason.
midnight swift
One of those ubiquitous Logitech Extreme 3D Pros?
balmy lotus
@solar mesa As Teizan says, Logitech has some really good gamepads and joysticks. Namely the Extreme 3D. I have one, plenty of buttons to customize.
midnight swift
The Extreme 3D has a throttle axis, yes.
balmy lotus
Yes. You need to set it to analogue controls to get it working with speed values inbetween 0 and 1
otherwise, when you flip the switch it goes from 0 to 1 instantly
solar mesa
were is the throttle?
balmy lotus
Thrust is a keybind. Just bind it to the positive and negative on the same keybind
balmy lotus
Nope. It's a singular analogue keybind for aircraft. bind you thrust increase to the upwards position (it'll appear negative) and the downward position as primary and alternative bindings
balmy lotus
Arma has presets, for the X3D as well. But they're not the most optimal
solar mesa
but i just want to know if thats all i need
balmy lotus
the thrust being static like I mentioned
midnight swift
You don't need more than a joystick, no.
solar mesa
ok
balmy lotus
You could always add petals for rudder control
midnight swift
It's nice to have pedals too and a headtracking device like TrackIR for looking around, but not necessary.
solar mesa
once i buy it can one of you help me set it up?
balmy lotus
Just ask, and you will get a answer
midnight swift
(preferably asking in #arma3_questions )
solar mesa
can i add you as a friend @balmy lotus and once i get it you help me?
balmy lotus
Sure
balmy lotus
You can twist the stick for rudder motion
midnight swift
That's the default, yes. You can change it to what you want.
balmy lotus
leaning the stick in any direction will bank
hallow elk
tips on flying littlebird?
knotty plinth
git gud
But nah, practice makes perfect, the editors a great tool
And that response, oof π
knotty plinth
Still wish for tips?
balmy lotus
Wow that escalated quickly
knotty plinth
Β―_(γ)_/Β―
glass tundra
is arma hard to get into? I have never played a mil sim and im relatively new to pc . I was going to buy a couple months ago but didnt want to chance it and pay full price but it's on sale now for 12 bucks i believe. Lastly, is the community cool when it comes to people starting out like myself?
knotty plinth
Most servers are accepting of new people but you can imagine you'll get the bunch who kick up a fuss
And first playing, it can be overwhelming to understand and attempt to remember the controls, what servers you can join with/without a mod, once you get accustomed to boot camp it tends to be smooth sailing to find a style of server you enjoy
Whether it's Wasteland/invade and annex/king of the hill/Life-roleplay/exile/battle-royale/epoch/milsim/and-so-on
glass tundra
cool thanks.
knotty plinth
So, it's not terribly difficult to get into if you have some patience
glass tundra
yeah it looks fun but it looks like its taken to serious at least for me
ill just buy it and if it doesnt work out only 12 bucks lost
knotty plinth
Life/roleplay is the one you'd find for the least serious, the rest will just consist of finding a server with a community you enjoy
balmy lotus
arma has gamemodes for any type of playstyle
so it's really about finding what's best for you
low hound
howdy folks
spark kindle
@hallow elk I love the humming bird go into the editor and land it on top of small areas
good practise
quiet pine
@hallow elk also, language. Now please edit your message.
A sense of sarcasm and self-humour would be nice, too.
hallow elk
Done @quiet pine
quiet pine
Thank you (but English only, please). For your information, the git gud answer is common in Dark Souls (its origin) and Arma (stole it from there) communities, as the answer is usually "practice, practice, practice", but has been made a meme now, don't take it personally.
Indeed, the answer to your question is to practice in the editor, with getting the bases of the Hummingbird in the various VR trainings. Also, make sure that the advanced flight model is disabled in the options @hallow elk
hallow elk
Sorry about the Chinese, fat fingers. @quiet pine
quiet pine
Hopefully, editing is still an option ;-)
spark kindle
Christmas came early for my friends, thought I would be Santa Claus and gift my friends some Arma DLC
craggy oar
Does anyone have the ACE3 Discord server link handy? If it exists...
hearty island
none
craggy oar
Gotcha, Slack it is then. Thank you
hearty island
π He's back @hushed kraken
I just don't have time right now. Quite busy
Doing actually useful things you know
pale patio
-FM- on holiday?
hearty island
Oh right. No you don't know
FM said he's busy with university. Don't wanna disturb him if not really needed
pale patio
@fair pivot ^^
pale patio
Thankyou Cortez
pale patio
sorry for disturbing you π
thin sable
π
pale patio
yeah he was nice, shame he had to leave
hushed kraken
was BI's #1 fan back again?
hearty island
Yup. He took a couple weeks of vacation it seems
hushed kraken
I wish he would find a new hobby
fair pivot
gone
thin sable
@pearl dock wrong place, read #info_help_tips
also no link without description of what it is
thorny dawn
Hello guys
midnight swift
π
thorny dawn
π
pale patio
@fair pivot I like the new Nick π
hearty island
Mine too?
tranquil bay
not this renaming thing again... remember last time @feral reef was on this weird trip?
π
hearty island
Dschatikistan you mean?
tranquil bay
or DschastinBiever
quartz magnet
DschengisKhan pls
tranquil bay
π
feral reef
*Dschanghis Khan
glossy beacon
oof
urban sluice
Hey axe how you been
fossil ermine
what?
jaunty whale
So much Blue & Orange in general chat today. Untagged members, unite! π
finite relic
When the trolls and thieves come out, so do the trash removers.
jaunty whale
Yikes. I recycle β»
You're supposed to be busy with school, whatchu doing hanging out here? π
hearty island
@jaunty whale now you are a tagged member
finite relic
Had to finish my botnet project
hearty island
I thought that was my task π€
finite relic
Cross purposes
sweet plinth
Can u add masks to unmodded servers? or is it just for modded servers?
hearty island
"masks"? #arma3_questions ?
jaunty whale
@hearty island
@PTFHawkins now you are a tagged member negative ghostrider
But I like the name π
lost sapphire
How df do you join an RP server
hard bloom
its fun if ya dont play it for the RP π
pine stratus
chrome geyser
Are there any other people who think that the unit management in the Campaign is ineffective.?? For Example telling them to fall back 100 times or getting into a vehicle takes about 10 minutes resulting in you getting killed by an enemy gunship.?
zenith surge
It's the A.I. and it's been like that everytime
molten swift
@chrome geyser
are you talking about an actual player unit or ai unit?
if its player, then the unit is just poorly trained
if its ai, then well good luck
balmy lotus
AI units are fairly easy to control in my opinion. The formation is regarded with respects on where you want them to go
So, if you want them to walk to a destination but their formation is set to a line they'll fall in line first.
If they're in a combat state they will not do this and will instead seek cover first
urban sluice
i think there should be a way to order units to do things immediately, so instead of checking the area is clear around a vehicle for example they just hop straight in
balmy lotus
You can.
finite relic
@pine stratus server advertising belongs in #communities_arma3 channel. Be sure to use the pinned template (located under the pinned messages button)
chrome geyser
@balmy lotus how do you do it?? How do I tell the AI that if you dont get in the truck you are gonna die whether you find cover or not. That is my issue.. There needs to be a direct order that the AI should follow regardless.. Thats what it is to be in command.
midnight swift
@chrome geyser There's a 'Combat Get In' module in the editor. Never used it before myself, but it might be what you're looking for.
(otherwise, just be ready to expect this of AI all the time)
chrome geyser
Hahah I kind of have. So I manipulate their positioning so that it would be easier for me to get them to move somewhere like not having them stand inside a house or in an area that is difficult to move in.
spark kindle
Hey guys i am not fully sure but what is the goal of the end game gamemode
because i dont see any enemy players only AI
hearty island
spark kindle
thanks
true birch
Hello everyone! This is my first day on Arma. If some one can send me a msg to give me a one on one tutorial that will be swell, I could be a important aspect of your team IF I knew how to play the game properly!
quartz magnet
There are tutorials in the game, and the bootcamp campaign is also an intro
Showcase missions also explain various mechanisms
Apart from that, #looking_for_unit or #communities_arma3 should be a good place to look for people to play with
hearty island
Not all of them. See #server_tools
finite relic
Cleaned up
urban sluice
That's just like.. your opinion man.
spark kindle
I know i like exile
knotty plinth
@urban sluice One cannot express their opinion?
wide lagoon
its a reference to the big lebowski
balmy lotus
@knotty plinth Woah bro, saying that one should express their opinion is just your opinion bro.
urban sluice
Whoa duuuuudeee
spark kindle
Im just very happy i found a very cool gamemode
lost sapphire
@hard bloom do u know any or servers
hard bloom
Arma Life, Anzus Altis Life.... uhm what kind u want? Modded, unmodded?
Grand Theft Arma, probs one of the biggest Altis Life servers
hushed frost
Hey guys I just downloaded Arma 3 Apex edition. Is there anyone out here that wants to help me get started with the game? π
gray bane
Ye so did I. When/how you participate in those realistic events?
midnight swift
A good way to start with ArmA is to start with the VR Tutorials, the bootcamp campaign, the singleplayer showcases, and then optionally the East Wind Campaign (in that order).
There are also some nice Community Guide videos.
hushed frost
Okay tnx for the info!
midnight swift
@gray bane Community gameplay can be found in #communities_arma3, or if you don't find what you want in there you can post specifics of what you're looking for in #looking_for_unit
tough canyon
Hey guys, I havent't really played ARMA 3 before (played tutorial and a couple missions), what are some good populated servers to start out on if I want to start getting into milsim stuff?
spark kindle
77th JSOC?
tough canyon
I'll DM ya
sacred hull
same^^
humble bane
Well, Steam sale so I bit the bullet and got the final DLC I was missing... Tac Ops. No interest in SP ARMA, doubt very much that I'll play it but BI deserve the purchase π
urban sluice
Buys item on sale
"BI deserve the purchase"
humble bane
LOL... Don't play SP ARMA so...
scarlet lodge
hey, anyone know Soviet Womble here?
hearty island
There are 2800 people online right here right now.
I think that answers your question
hearty island
afaik he plays in his own group
urban sluice
Search up "antistasi". I think that's what he plays?
hearty island
I don't know any servers though no. I guess just search in the serverbrowser for "antistasi"
I don't know of any modded public ones
Generally, modded public servers are quite rare
scarlet lodge
k thx
humble bane
Well apart from Epoch, Exile, KOTH, etc.
hearty island
yeah I mean semi milsim like antistasi
humble bane
Roger that
balmy lotus
You're a little too late. Messages were screened if needed.
Okay, you know where the door is.
π€·
I'm a little curious, why are you even here? You don't own arma 3.
rugged knot
just regular arma or arma apex
midnight swift
?
rugged knot
both are on steam sale so im hesitating which to buy
are the dlcs included in arma apex worth it
midnight swift
The Apex edition includes the game, Apex itself, and the first DLC bundle (along with some extras)
It's very worth it if you figure you'll be playing much of Arma.
rugged knot
arma apex for 21 dollars
olive kite
So
I'm feeling a little disappointed
Came back to the game after 2 years, since the community servers I joined seemed to have their heads so far up their asses about deaf players.
Seems unchanged.
olive kite
Though I just had an interesting mission here
hushed kraken
Didnβt you play with FA for a bit @olive kite ?
olive kite
FA?
FoxtrotAlpha?
For a very brief spell yes, but I was turned off by their lack of willingness to try to adapt comms to me
hushed kraken
Folk ARPS
olive kite
And dsy and I are on apparently bad terms. π
hushed kraken
Iβm almost certain you played in a few sessions at Folk ARPS and flagged that you were a deaf player.
olive kite
Don't remember that. It was probably a long-ass time ago
In fact I don't remember what "Folk ARPS" is...doesn't even ring a bell
hushed kraken
Well, Iβd have to ask one of the hosts there to search the logs, but Iβm almost certain you showed up once or twice because I remember your nick and having a discussion within the hosting team about what we could do.
olive kite
Hm, yeah that might be the case. I dunno, I don't have a lot of good memories of the series
Mostly ecause "rabble rabble, be on voice or kick"
And that ticks me off.
If someone spends the entire game at base, at least put in the effort to type comms fo rme.
hushed kraken
They wouldnβt have kicked you for not being able to use comms like the others.
olive kite
yeah, it's just that I do pickups more often because I don't have a lot of time
hushed kraken
Given that public servers are unlikely to cater to your requirements, maybe itβs worth investing in a community that can adapt to support you?
olive kite
Maybe. I'm just not feeling like I want to invest too heavily into ArmA 3 these days, mostly because I have another game I'm waiting to see reach feature complete status (Star Citizen)
Of course, it's gonna be years before that happens. π
hushed kraken
I was going to say ....
olive kite
Couple years, minimum, probably.
My preferred thing to do is sniping, artillery support, and CAS.
Mainly because the data sets I get given, when people DO bother to type it out for me, are relatively simple compared to keeping track of a squad while I'm boots on the ground
hushed kraken
That sounds like a pragmatic approach. Have you tried posting in #looking_for_unit ?
olive kite
Will think about it.
olive kite
Nope, far as I can tell.
finite relic
Fast and "getting used to it" are incompatible
olive kite
Also trying to play the tank destroyer showcase, and I can't seem to get into the Rhino. Any ideas?
finite relic
Do the tutorials/bootcamp/VR then play the single player campaign.
midnight condor
If you play it with friends time typically goes faster... (at least as you perceive it :p)
finite relic
Too many people jump straight into multiplayer then have no idea what they are doing and ultimately complain.
olive kite
Trying to figure out how to zoom in/out with the optics on the tank destroyer
midnight swift
Numpad +- (bear this in mind for RHS mod vehicles, it's even more important for them)
olive kite
And smoke grenades?
midnight swift
Vehicle Countermeasures are usually bound to C.
Ctrl+C may change countermeasures in some vehicles.
olive kite
And how dO I command my AI to target an enemy and fire?
I'm still figuring that out, heh
midnight swift
T by default to get AI gunner to aim on a target - or a patch of ground.
LCtrl LClick to command fire.
midnight swift
AI will fire MGs and autocannons at will if you select it for them. Big cannons cannot be fire-at-will'd though.
slender silo
Yo for overclocking a Ryzen 7 1800x to 4ghz what would you set the voltage to?
Its at 1.35V right now
midnight swift
@slender silo #hardware_vs_arma
olive kite
You know, there's just one thing about ArmA that no other game is able to capture: the viscerality of combat
I mean, in the multiplayer game I was in just now, when the HVT mission popped up in the Invade & Annex game mode, I split off from the squad and went straight for him. Spotted an enemy in a house, shot him dead through the window, and breached the door. Three armed enemies standing side by side...full auto mowed them down. Then captured HVT, and secured the rest of the house (killed an insurgent in the process, who was hiding on the other side of a door)
So that was probably the most action I'd had in an ArmA game in five years
π
olive kite
It's fun. When things go right.
urban sluice
how do i play it
urban sluice
well is there a video about it
olive kite
olive kite
Yup. A couple are DLC though
midnight swift
There are the two (and a half) vanilla maps, Stratis, Altis, and the VR flat-scape, the DLC map Tanoa, the Free-LC map Malden 2035 and a lot of mod-maps.
olive kite
Forgetting the one from the original OPF
urban sluice
OPF?
olive kite
Operation Flashpoint, now called ArmA: Cold War
urban sluice
oh
olive kite
Bohemia got the rights back to the game from Codemasters
urban sluice
are there like servers?
urban sluice
like?
urban sluice
ok
olive kite
And then there's the co-operative game modes, like Invade & Annex,
And team versus team, King of the Hill, et cetera
midnight swift
Yes, depending on weapon.
Bullet types can vary between just non-tracer and tracer, to a full APDS.
urban sluice
APDS?
midnight swift
Armour Piercing Discarding Sabot
midnight swift
That's a mod shotgun, with a cheat-round, from what I've heard
urban sluice
are there offical servers and user created servers?
midnight swift
Yes.
urban sluice
which is better
midnight swift
Can't really say, tbh. It'd be up to you.
midnight swift
If you just bought it recently, you can refund with the aim to rebuy it at sale prices
Steam is nice about that
urban sluice
no i bought a 50 steam giftcard
because arma without discount is 40$
and now it is 17$
olive kite
So when you get it installed, do the tutorials first
midnight swift
(If you intend to put much time into Arma, it would be a good idea to buy the Apex edition now, rather than the standard game alone. It's really good value at the moment.)
urban sluice
olive kite
Yeah, Apex Edition is a good choice.
$23.79 as it is 66% off, and you can choose to add the DLC bundles, too
midnight swift
You get one of the DLC bundles with Apex edition, actually.
urban sluice
i have 61$ on steam
olive kite
With Apex Edition and the DLC bundles, it's $50.57
So you're pretty much golden for getting all of what the game has to offer
urban sluice
arma without discout is 40
olive kite
Yeah, just add all three items to cart and you're set.
midnight swift
No, no @olive kite the APEX edition has one of the DLC bundles already
midnight swift
But yeah @urban sluice The Apex Edition is really, really good value at the moment for Arma.
All you'll be missing if you get that is the Second DLC bundle.
urban sluice
Arma 3 Apex Edition is that it
midnight swift
Yes. (It mentions that it includes digital soundtrack, maps, tactical guide, and a gift copy of ArmA: Cold War Assault.)
olive kite
Yes, get the Apex Edition
And also the second DLC bundle
And you'll be set after that
midnight swift
(The DLC bundle is optional, up to your preference if you want it)
olive kite
Yep, but if you don't want the game to bug you about the optional weapons. π
There are mods to turn off the annoying messages, though.
urban sluice
i just gonna get apex
midnight swift
oh, proper link: https://store.steampowered.com/sub/95419/
urban sluice
i spent to much money on games https://gyazo.com/70b696c8d8617f83fac91ccde8826fd7
now i wait 200 hours for it to download
olive kite
Fun. I'm heading to bed. Goo dnight.
urban sluice
night
urban sluice
i just bought the game
I try to join a server, it lets me join but I can't press OK or anything
To actually connect
rugged knot
@urban sluice also bought on sale?
urban sluice
yes
I just bought it 10 mins ago
Won't let me connect to servers..
anyone help me?
rugged knot
hmm just bought mine too
urban sluice
im doing verify integrity of game cache rn
I've figured it out!
When you join a multiplayer server, click on the role you want to be and it'll fill you in.
Then just press OK
thin sable
if you just bought it, it would be adviceable that you run the VR tutorials and play bit of the campaings to familiarize yourself how Arma works
its not like your typical arcade shooter like battlefield or call of duty
rugged knot
halp im getting 10fps on a 1050ti at 1080p
rugged knot
nvm somehow i was running two instances of arma
thin sable
π
rugged knot
at least you can alt tab out of arma comfortably
unlike other crappy full screen games
thin sable
you might want to try again a few times
dying in Arma is what you do most of the time
in a way Arma is the Dark Souls of fps type games
raven chasm
Last mission I played was the first time in a long time I died in arma
Then again, I spend most time in arma in a tank
rugged knot
in the launcher parameters
theres an option to launch the game in 63 bit mode
not 64
rugged knot
hearty island
lost a bit in translation XD
quartz magnet
haha yeah it's 64 bit don't worry @rugged knot
fossil ermine
localization and the pits of it
hearty island
bits of it*
quartz magnet
π₯
mild oriole
Hi
I have a problem with dedicated servers that when i join it say you were kicked because signeture timeout
I use ADSL and accepted Battleeye and verifyed my game and havent any mod
Any one have any solution?
stray forge
thin sable
dunno how we can help you with that really :/ you trying to get out or something?
so whats the problem @stray forge
urban sluice
can someone teach me how to play arma3 ? dm me please
rare wyvern
@urban sluice absolutely
finite relic
The easiest way is to play through the tutorials, thatβs why theyβre there in the first place.
patent mauve
Going off of that, join a millsim. I'm not going to tell you where to go or advertise one, but I've found that's the best way to get good at a game. :)
sturdy marlin
If I buy Arma 3 from the bohemia store can I play it without steam? Because system requirements say it needs steam to activate the game
Yes what?
sturdy marlin
I can't play it without steam?
finite relic
No
sturdy marlin
Darn
finite relic
How else would you receive updates ?
sturdy marlin
Game launchers
finite relic
No
finite relic
It is
raven chasm
Whats up with this noble thing
hearty island
Cortez started. I thought it was funny
hearty island
π€£
finite relic
Arma 4: Lord of the Bounce
mild oriole
Any one cant help me?
hearty island
apparently no one wants
because we have #arma3_troubleshooting for things like that.
Also that will be fixed next game update. So not really worth looking into that now
mild oriole
@hearty island im sorry but i dont know every things so forgive me if I ask a duplicate question
Or ask in wrong channel because im not english man and my english is very Terrible
opal nacelle
@sturdy marlin You can buy from the Bohemia Store but they give you a Steam key
hearty island
@balmy haven no advertising here
Delete it please.
You can make a proper post in #communities_arma3 but follow the template there
you can find it in the pinned messages in that channel
slender silo
Does SLI still break PIP?
quiet pine
@slender silo try asking in #arma3_questions or #hardware_vs_arma
@urban sluice you joined us, congratulations
urban sluice
huh?
@urban sluice #communities_arma3 #looking_for_unit #looking_for_game
I believe that's what you're after.
oh yes
livid wraith
i have a question
if i dont hvae all the dlcs for a server can i still play on said server
okay ty
yeah i got the game and it gave me all of them but 3 of them
sly viper
hello
midnight swift
Hello
spring zephyr
should I grab the base game? Or is it worthless without dlcs?
urban bear
ofc, i dont own most of the dlc's and i have 700 hours into the game
depends what you're looking for, vanilla or modded
hearty island
I have 9200 hours. And till now I had a single occurence where I wanted to have a certain DLC
Though I play modded. So I don't care about DLC vehicles or weapons or clothing
urban bear
same here, 80% of my playtime is in milsim which is usually modded
midnight swift
@spring zephyr The only DLC that you're likely to need (if ever) is Apex, for the Tanoa terrain. The rest are preference based.
Still, while the sale is on the Apex Edition is really good value.
spring zephyr
how popular are the vanilla multiplayer servers? If I do buy the game, that's what I would play first
spark kindle
Pretty good still
I like to play multiplayer end game its fun
Public zeus can be fun too with people who know what they are doing
fresh jetty
Hi everyone, has anyone ever tried the Xenon Network Taurus Arma life server?
balmy lotus
Nope.
gloomy nest
shameless self promotion https://twitter.com/Arma3CUP/status/1067063636173172736
balmy lotus
Woot
thin sable
1 million players, 1 CUP...
balmy lotus
Oh god. Please no HG, I need to cleanse my brain now.
thin sable
its monday
fast quartz
jaunty whale
@crisp yacht delete and post a specific question in #arma3_model or #arma3_texture (or generally in #arma3_questions )
midnight swift
There really does need to be a crash-but-don't-blow-up velocity, and not just for helicopters.
jaunty whale
IRL if your rotor goes into the ground, fairly high chance of the torque slamming you into ground and exploding.
Just because the whole chain of events isn't simulated in Arma doesn't mean the outcome isn't the same
Take a helicopter and fly it into a tree
and see what happens IRL
then come back here and tell me it's not realistic
urban sluice
To be fair. Arma's heli model isn't that good. Helicopter would just crash..
jaunty whale
lol
urban sluice
Just a simple rollover shouldn't blow you up, same with touching stuff. It breaks the helicopter but it doesn't magically blow up.
jaunty whale
rolling over tends to cause explosions IRL
sooo again
:/
there's no such thing as a "simple rollover" in any aircraft
lol
urban sluice
midnight swift
Rolling a helicopter will absolutely wreck the main rotor, with chance of blade detachment (which becomes a very large piece of shrapnel).
urban sluice
Well, it's a game. Simple rollover as opposed to a flying 300km/h and crashing, then flipping.
jaunty whale
Please don't post videos of people dying in general chat..
midnight swift
I figure it shouldn't cause an explosion unless that large piece of shrapnel hits something important.
urban sluice
they didn't die.. They just rollovered π
jaunty whale
You don't know that - I just saw a shitton of shrapnel shred the cockpit.
midnight swift
@feral sedge aaaand going too far.
jaunty whale
If you watch a few quick youtube videos of helicopter crashes, you can very quickly see explosions from the very thing you're describing..
Happens far more often than you think.
quartz magnet
Yeah they tend to blow up in ways that look survivable, sometimes
urban sluice
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g6-ACB1nurc
look, it didn't blow up.
quartz magnet
I think advanced flight model is better about survivable crashes
jaunty whale
That helo's engine is off
urban sluice
In arma it'd blow up.. PTFHawkins
quartz magnet
I do get situations where all hit points go red and I can get out, but it's rare/at very low speed
urban sluice
that's all I'm saying. They shouldn't blow up for simply being upside down.
jaunty whale
Aye, I'm not saying Arma's is 100% realistic
but if you go upside down with the rotors spinning IRL, explosion is highly possible.
How about
You guys both stop talking in #general_chat_arma
And sort out personal issues in DM's.
red gale
oof
solemn zodiac
tag the role itself, not particular mods
quartz magnet
It's 0339 CET btw
urban sluice
Just watched a "helicopter crash compilation" by "crash channel" on youtube. I won't post it, you don't have to watch it if you can't stomach it. I'm using it as a reference. I guess they'd know about crashes.
The only helicopter that blew up was nose diving straight into the ground. Plenty of injuries I can imagine but not straight up explosions. There was about 10+ crashes featured.
Car crashes/death ratio isn't that high. If I bump my car or swerve and flip it doesn't mean I'll die. @humble bane
Maybe in china, idk about those statistics.
In ArmA I don't die in cars, almost never had it happen actually. Normally I'm suprised at how many g's I can survive.
Having a 50g collision into a tree and just keep on trucking.
wanton cairn
I think arma could learn a lot from DCS https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ELAjey0-RGI
urban sluice
If you want a flight sim, play DCS. ArmA just has aircraft to act as support. But rollovers shouldn't result in massive fireball every time.
BOOM
Yep, it's definitely an issue.
I want to clearify what I meant with "Arma's flight model isn't that good". I meant regarding damage and touching a tree == blowing up. Not the actual flying, it's quite nice.
This got way out of hand btw.. Anyway need to work.
dim lintel
@everyone I am new to Arma and just picked up the game and was looking for maybe some people to play with and help me learn and make my way through the game If not thanks for reading.
twilit portal
hello
midnight swift
hello
twilit portal
i am thinking on getting Arma III
daring hearth
Do it
midnight swift
@dim lintel The best way to figure out ArmA 3 for the first time is to play the VR Tutorials, the Bootcamp campaign, and the Singleplayer Showcases - in that order.
dim lintel
hey guys
midnight swift
@twilit portal It's up to you, but if you expect you'll be playing a lot of ArmA it's best to get the Apex Edition right now while it's on sale.
twilit portal
how actvie is the mutiplayer
midnight swift
There's active public multiplayer and there's active community multiplayer.
twilit portal
are there some strick player or is there a lot of bs around too or is it a mix
dim lintel
all the servers I have joined through quick match make are pretty dead
midnight swift
When you use the launcher server browser, they should be listed for steam subscription, yes.
The in-game browser doesn't have that.
opal nacelle
What Teizan said... and due to ahem engine limitations (you'll hear that word at times) there also isn't hot-swapping of loaded mods
finite relic
@warped meadow Great coverage on the Warlords highlights!
slim patio
Guys, I want to buy arma 3, worth it?
warped meadow
@finite relic thanks ! We had a hell of a time !
@slim patio yes !
Plus it's cheep now
finite relic
Youβre welcome Flash-Ranger!
The Unknown Alx, a resounding Yes!
tidal orbit
spark zealot
is warlords available on the dev branch right now?
quartz magnet
yes
slim patio
but i dont have any friend to play arma 3
urban sluice
there's plenty of players to meet in-game. Or get invited to the millions of units some love advertising.
jaunty whale
insert shameless plug here<
hearty island
shamelessly inserts plug into @jaunty whale
urban sluice
?
quiet pine
!
warped meadow
@slim patio there are some many different communities you can join, not having friends is an illusion π
remote urchin
Bonjour
je suis a la recherche de joueur dayz epoch arma 2 mais sa n'a pas l'air d'Γͺtre gagnΓ© ^^
tranquil bay
is the delay related to the signature issues? @novel river
novel river
Yup, it is
gaunt seal
Any guess how long the delay may be ?
novel river
Will have more info later today hopefully
stone river
Haha, so there is the new NV system called X27. Night vision in color. Once modders have picked up on it, it will make the night time in arma redundant ^^
For those interested, google for videos on X27 color night vision
hearty island
Once modders have picked up on it You mean once the engine devs invested a couple days of work to make it possible
meager tundra
@novel river Thanks for holding off releasing it when it'd break mod compatibility β€οΈ
novel river
Thanks to our QA guys and you, our community for hinting us towards such an issue.
meager tundra
β€οΈ
hearty island
Atleast we won't need a post-release hotfix for that now
meager tundra
Hey, it shows lessons have been learned.
hearty island
I got another crashing bug that seems reproducible, but it's not critical in any way. So I better not bother you guys with that right now :D
It is in 1.84 and is probably even as old as the Curator update, and noone seems to have noticed till now π
Well ACE makes NVG so terrible that you really have to decide whether you wanna run just without them because they have so many downsides π
reef tartan
Well no update today...
fresh jetty
Hi everyone, I was just watching the Warlords Developer Livestream from yesterday, which looks amazing, but I at a certain point they started speaking about how the stress tests went and the diferences between Capture the Island and Warlords modes
They keep saying AI will make a difference and that Capture the Island is a mode focused on a different kind of gameplay
But Warlords looks exactly the same, but you can vote for which base you are targeting and you can hire AI to fight along you
Do these developers actually know that 90% of Capture the Island servers are empty and that the remaining 10% barely have anyone in them?
I keep thinking Bohemia developers don't really know how much of a mess Arma is at the moment
It is extremely buggy, has too many useless modes (most of the modes don't even have any people on the servers) and the community is shrinking every month
They've just started working on Arma 4's engine, which probably means we've got 5 more years of Arma 3 (unless they're expecting to deliver the same buggy mess they did last time)
Well, just wanted to let that out so any developers can have a thought on that
hearty island
They started working on Arma 4's engine in 2012 or before that
Black Element Software joined Bohemia in 2010
fresh jetty
I just hope they know what they are doing with Arma 4
Arma 3 was just so poorly handled, almost looks like they have no pride on delivering quality
The game is really fun at times and extensive, but it doesn't reflect quality at all
It's just so unreliable and outright broken most of the time
anyway, just hope some of them read this. Milsim games are growing and I fear Arma won't be able to keep up at this rate
reef tartan
But is there a game out there yet, that includes small infantry to jet and artillery on giant maps, also all the mods help!
bitter python
There are issues with Arma 3 but I would hardly call it broken
reef tartan
yeah, not broken, I find it playable most of the time, just a bit annyoing how the Malden map still has stones were you can walk through...
urban sluice
It is playable but I think a lot of us would like certain bugs fixed.
hearty island
If you specifically look for broken things, you'll have days to fill yes.
But other way around? meh
Better than other games where you can count the good things on one hand.
Arma is a library. Of course libraries also have bad books.
urban sluice
The way I view it is that if I could have arma with better performance and a lot less bugs and weird problems then I would take it over and above the game, but there isn't a competitor coming close to giving us that type of game yet and I doubt it will come out of the blue.
Arma is massive compared to most games, the mods just make it more so. It is also ancient at its core
reef tartan
is this Project Argo - a attempt to eSports type mode - a fail? Also why is Vigor not for PC? π€
finite relic
@reef tartan This should explain what Argo is (was):
Simple answer, an efficient way to train new talent, partly funded by an external entity.
http://www.eurogamer.cz/articles/2017-06-29-producent-argo-obhajuje-dotace-z-evropskych-fond
reef tartan
hm okay
last time I played there weren 1-2 enemies running around with GLs from the supporter pack to have all unlocked, they killed us instant on sight with GL on 2m range, no chance
finite relic
@fresh jetty Don't confuse public servers with private ones. You will find that quite a few communities play CTI on a regular basis. Additionally, to say that Arma is a "mess" is doing it a disservice. I purchased it on day one and am quite happy with my purchase. Everything that was advertised was delivered on. Room for improvement? Absolutely, but show a me game that is perfect...
reef tartan
we need to hope that A4 will deliver A3 with more vehicles and less bugs, also maybe TFR in vanilla
finite relic
Phil, Development has ceased, but it still available for free, just no official servers.
solemn zodiac
i'm honestly perfectly happy with the amount of vehicles in the game
finite relic
The TFR bit wont happen. Author already said so.
solemn zodiac
outside of naval combat i consider the mechanized stuff to be borderline perfect
reef tartan
then just make a more advanced radio setting, could have is as option like advanced flight model or difficulty veteran
solemn zodiac
also i say pong is perfect
finite relic
There are niggly bits and gripes, but nothing game breaking from my perspective.
reef tartan
Nyx trying to push a Prowler, stationary until everything blows up, physics! β€
solemn zodiac
if you don't mind, please try that in other open world games and see what happens
at least in this game they have complexity to explode
reef tartan
also idk what that was in KotH, but I survived a fall of 50m jumping out of a helicopter
helicopter touches something or lands at 10km/h , blows up most of the times
finite relic
Did you know that if you plug the muzzle of a 1911, you'll end up with a face full of metal? My point being, if you use things in ways that weren't intended, you will have sub-optimal results.
reef tartan
but I can live with that, just have to not crash into other objects
GTA cars don t blow up when crashing into each other, but that game has probably not the most accurate balistics nor a physical artllery shell flying 100km
finite relic
^
reef tartan
games might get 60fps but the AI disappears after you turn around or drive away 10m
finite relic
What most people complain about is that their "feature creep" request wasn't implemented.
reef tartan
doesn t A2 have way more vehicles than A3? that is lacking
finite relic
I've not physically counted them, but that should never be the measure of a game.
reef tartan
2 apcs in each faction, 2 lighter vehicles and 2 MBTs in A3
oh what the devs could do, what I hoped would have been possible in A3, that the wood bridges can be blown up, doesn t need to be super dynamic, 1 animation would be nice already; and as a "troll" (like Karts) DLC, they could bring a working train (there is a mod for Tanoa rails).
finite relic
A quick count (may be off)
Wheeled: 23
Tracked: 16
Rotary: 15
Air: 12
Aquatic: 6
reef tartan
/3 for each faction then, lowers it
finite relic
By comparison, Arma 2
Wheeled: 20
Tracked: 14
Rotary: 13
Air: 11
Of course, none of this includes mods.
Karts wasn't a "troll", it was a side project for a charitable cause.
stone river
nothings broken, my only permanent issue with arma is the AI driving ^^ everything else is ok or fixable with a bit of scripting
which is why so many play on private servers rather than public ones. great thing about arma is that it is a platform for so much tweaking
i think thats what gives it real value. never gets boring and theres always some new mod or self made script that can give it another little tweak
best game ever, except if yo are a CoD kind of person
i think the only thing that might be able to top this kind of gameplay (at one point in the future... far future) might be start citizen... where we basically just add another layer of altitude and orbital bombardment and well... whole planets to fight on
thin sable
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/1/19/Portrait_of_Cod.jpg/220px-Portrait_of_Cod.jpg cod person? π π
fresh jetty
@stone river Do you know of any server that has fixed all the random clipping and field of view bugs that give unfair advantages to some players in the game?
stone river
i think thats one of them, yea
theres always something thats buggy, but not in a way that makes things unenjoyable. at least not for me
fresh jetty
Arma IS a buggy mess, but is the best we have at the moment as far as sandbox milsim go
hearty island
@reef tartan also maybe TFR in vanilla only over my dead body
stone river
but also i dont do PvP very often, so you might have more to say about than than i do
fresh jetty
But it is still buggy and broken in too many undesirable ways
Random clipping and glitches happen too often, making the experience very unreliable at times
You can never take the game very seriously because of those random issues
solemn zodiac
@hearty island if you don't mind stepping into the back of this white van holding a man in a vest with a makarov...
fresh jetty
I'll still play it, because it's the best we have
stone river
id rather take a few gltches, than go back to tiny uniform maps
finite relic
5 years in and I would never call it a buggy mess.
stone river
exactly, there are issues, but its also the best we have
fresh jetty
But I know that should a better game developer decide to invest in the milsim direction, Arma devs have no chance, the expectation is just too low to beat
Its a good game, don't get me wrong, but it's a bitter sweet gaming experience
finite relic
15 or 16 years now since Operation Flashpoint and not one has stepped up to the plate.
thin sable
@fresh jetty you know any multiplayer game that does not have glitching and bugs?
in 3D 20+ players environment
fresh jetty
@thin sable Ocasional bugs and glitches happen in every game, but not as often as you witness clipping issues, random physics bugs or even just broken collision detecting happens in Arma
Devs on the Developer Livestream were throwing the "its really complex" excuse at most of those bug mentions on the questions
They just need to open their eyes and look at the market, you've got plenty of games who don't have those issues as a parte of the experience
Arma 3 has those issues as a random part of every experience
Nowadays the online multiplayer market is huge. We've seen a lot of different approaches to development and its result on a final product and how the whole experience is affected by the way the game is built
hearty island
@solemn zodiac do you have chocolate?
solemn zodiac
i have a nice shiny man with a makarov
fresh jetty
Arma 3 is a good game, but no where near stable
hearty island
@fresh jetty they said it's really complex because it is. For the time they get to work on things it's too complex to get done
hearty island
I handle arma like a sandbox. Not like just a game
I don't just jump on a server and play. I don't just go and play the campaign
fresh jetty
@hearty island I understand that and I agree with you, they probably don't have the time to work on it. It doesn't mean that the issues go away though. The game is still broken in many ways, regardless of what excuse they have for it
hearty island
Might not be the devs fault though
it's the guys fault who tell the devs what to do
fresh jetty
True
When I mention the "devs", I mean the company, not the actual developers
Developing the game is always a result of everyone's intervention on it
I just don't think leaving a lot of these bugs untouched helps the franchise in any way
Even financially
finite relic
you've got plenty of games who don't have those issues as a parte of the experience You also dont have a single game that can do what Arma does, so I think thats irrelevant.
fresh jetty
Yes, maybe because instead of offering everything in a mediocre way, some developers prefer to focus on one thing at a time. Again, I'm not saying Arma is a bad game, I just think it is not a very stable experience
Just too random to even be compelling competitively
hearty island
I agree that it would be good if BI had atleast one engine dev solely working on fixing bugs and implementing things that the community cries for
That thing happened in the past.. But weirdly enough, shortly after they did great things, these devs left the company
I'd even do that job for free :U
wicked hinge
Aren't you already?
finite relic
Too often we hear cries such as βbut CoD can do this, but BF can do that, Ad nauseam. And the cries of βitβs unoptimised!β by those who donβt really understand what it means. The Make Arma Cod Again groupies and others can move along.
hearty island
I'm doing that job as good as I can. But I rarely have the luck to have a BI dev willing to use some of his time to forward my stuff
opal nacelle
And of course 'we're not working on Arma 4' is the only reason that that hasn't been made redundant
hearty island
Arma is a work of art. Not everyone likes art.
urban sluice
Most of the past few weeks is just working around AI bugs so I certainly know that feeling. Today i found out that VIEW LOD for ray casting works on the client and not on the dedicated server, no idea why.#
hearty island
might be that the server just doesn't load... no.. no actua okey yes. yes yes. Server might actually not load view lod. It just needs the geo/fire geo/view geo to do his work.
Although view lod should be sufficiently close to like.. lod 0
urban sluice
The thing is while we might complain about aspects of the game we are still playing it 5 years later, it isn't fundamentally broken just not reaching our ever increasing standards!
The recent livestream said 5-10 devs still on Arma 3, I do wonder what they are working on.
opal nacelle
Besides Warlords update? Well there's still Old Man (unknown ETA) and third-party DLC creator assistance/support
just not reaching our ever increasing standards! plus at this point 'starting from scratch' via Enfusion may be a better use of time/money/people's-effort than trying to meet these within Real Virtuality 4
nova matrix
Yay, I can afford to rent an Arma 3 server now~
hearty island
the minimum money I know for a own arma server is 2,70β¬/month
nova matrix
Tbh, if it wasn't for the fact that smart hubs don't support port forwarding, I'd just host the server on my PC
hearty island
America?
nova matrix
Canada
hearty island
Poor guy.
nova matrix
Why-?
hearty island
In europe the internet providers are so much more open.
You always get a router that can port forward, and the provider doesn't block stuff on their end to save money
I always hear from murica how the providers completely rip their customers off
nova matrix
It isn't a problem with the provider. The provider does allow port forwarding. It is a problem with smart hubs
meager tundra
There are ISPs whose routers prevents you from Port forwarding?
urban sluice
The big guys just aren't competitive for game servers at all.
hearty island
Yeah. And ISP's who block UDP traffic. Or generally that run your home IP behind a NAT and share it with other people, or that only give you a IPv6 address
meager tundra
Wewie
urban sluice
Certainly mobile phone providers seem to do that a lot which is downright annoying but normal internet isn't actually being delivered if they are blocking traffic like that.
nova matrix
The problem is that my area doesn't have access to a modem/router setup. If I had a modem/router setup, I'd be able to port forward
meager tundra
Then how do you get your internet?
nova matrix
Through a smart hub
meager tundra
Wireless?
hearty island
I googled it because I didn't know what it was.
And even now that I somehow know what it does, it sounds like it's something that I just connect to my router
tranquil bay
what's a smart hub?
nova matrix
A smart hub uses the LTE network
tranquil bay
doomed
hearty island
Ahhh.. Yeah... Does sound a bit like a provider problem tho, that they don't want to put down cable to your house
nova matrix
It wouldn't be worth it is the problem
hearty island
Or I guess they charge astronomically for that?
nova matrix
There are Telus cables out here, but the only two options available are gateways and smart hubs, and the gateways are only 1/3 the speed of a smart hub
hearty island
Like.. My provider gave me a IPv4 address and 64 IPv6 addresses and that's it. I can do whatever the F I want with it. Only thing they limit is a upload/download speed limit. Besides that I'm completely free.
That would also be possible over LTE, with a little bit of effort.
nova matrix
I know it is possible to make a bridge with a router, but I was told I would need a static IP for that, which isn't available at the consumer level
I was able to port forward on my old gateway, but people who joined me had issues with lag thanks to the bad download/upload speed I had with it
finite relic
A channel change is recommended..
nova matrix
You mean switch providers? Thing is, the only other providers in my area use dish internet, which is really slow.
hearty island
No he means #offtopic_arma ^^
nova matrix
Oh
nova jungle
oh ACE3 updated with a few interesting things
hearty island
Yes! And more to come
nova jungle
more to come you say~? :)
hearty island
Yes I do
hearty island
Some certain streamer is unhappy with people talking bad about the server he's playing on.
I don't know how well you know the twitch community but you might understand
nova matrix
Oh. Does the streamer own the server or just play on it?
hearty island
That's the problem π He says he doesn't have anything to do with it. But in his video he speaks about the server owners as "us" sooo
latent idol
Same streamer that branded the last life community he was part of before getting shit on for theft, trying to wipe his hands of it by blaming the dev and "leaving". Except it turned out he was still an admin and actively streamed it till it's demise...
finite relic
Then just renamed it.
nova matrix
I have a question. Has anyone here used Host Havoc to run an Arma 3 server?
nova matrix
Oh. Well, I am trying to set up my server and need help :p
hearty island
#server_admins and ask away
novel river
Today i found out that VIEW LOD for ray casting works on the client and not on the dedicated server
@urban sluice - ViewGeometry or View - Cargo, Pilot, XY... ?
urban sluice
Specifically it was this line that failed - [objNull, "VIEW"] checkVisibility [eyePos _ai,eyePos player];
Had to change VIEW to FIRE for it to return true on the dedicated server. It worked locally and on locally hosted server just not on the dedicated server.
π€¦
So yep confirmed I am an idiot, missing an _ messed it up. VIEW works fine!
nova matrix
Is there a way of getting logs for my connection attempts?
nova matrix
Is there any log that will tell me why I get "Connection failed" with my own server?
urban sluice
rpt
nova matrix
I realize the AI isn't very smart, but they somehow managed to blow up their own artillery...
solemn zodiac
that is just known as creative interpretation of their job
warped meadow
@hearty island @finite relic where would be the best place to post a recruitment request for a coder/dev ?
finite relic
warped meadow
Thx
urban sluice
Is anyone getting a game breaking outdated file error with RHS - ace since the update?
This is in single player and everything is updated in the launcher
tranquil bay
what error?
always be as specific as possible. nobody likes guessing games when it comes to error hunting
urban sluice
I'm at work atm. Was a ace - rhs error. Insta ended all missions. I didnt get it with acex disable however.
quartz magnet
by "since the update" you mean one of the mods got updated?
hearty island
ace did
balmy lotus
Is it free weekend?
quartz magnet
No but autumn sale π
spark kindle
anyone know if the warlords update came today or not
thin sable
probs not
spark kindle
Ok thanks
hearty island
#announcements says no
tranquil bay
#looking_for_game @candid bridge
scarlet flicker
Hi, is arma 3 worth buying at this stage? Or should I wait for arma 4?
hearty island
Well if you wanna wait 5 years..
scarlet flicker
And I don't have clan or anything, so if I bought it will I be able to find public games?
Oof 5 years
midnight swift
There are active public servers, yes.
hearty island
And you can quite easily join a clan. There are tons looking for players.
I never really played public stuff, except in Arma 2
scarlet flicker
Ok I think I'm going to buy it in Christmas. Is base game enough? Or should I have all dlcs? If the latter, what should I buy to get everything? There is a lot of stuff to buy, it's confusing π
balmy lotus
Buy apex edition if you can, the rest are basically personal preference
jets, for air peeps, tanks, for the tank peeps, etc.
hearty island
or karts for peep peeps
jaunty whale
mods.. for all peeps
balmy lotus
I dunno about you guys, but I eat peeps.
jaunty whale
TFAR.. for real peeps
scarlet flicker
Can i join a server with those dlcs even if I don't have them?
hearty island
Yes. Except Tanoa (Apex DLC)
scarlet flicker
Nice, thanks for help guys
balmy lotus
tender herald
Are there even any maps behind a DLC wall?
solemn zodiac
exactly tanoa
tender herald
Tanoa's the obvious one
balmy lotus
tender herald
Like come on buddy, it's not my fault I bought the dlc with the game, how else would I know
balmy lotus
Do any other dlcs include terrains besides malden? Nooo. Malden is free.
balmy lotus
Nope
humble bane
Tanoa's the only one. Funnily, someone could make a Tanoa from scratch, legally and it would not require Apex.
nova matrix
GG, Arma 3. I tried putting some boats in a group, one of them rammed another, and the rammed boat blew up
tender herald
Ahahaha. PHYSAXED!!
jaunty whale
@humble bane well not exactly, because you'd still be copying the creating, so infringing on IP
humble bane
Not if you use no resources and really do create a new Tania from scratch
jaunty whale
The design of Tanoa is their IP
humble bane
Otherwise, for example, creating a pick up in ARMA would also face the same penalty
jaunty whale
Just like if I made a complex painting, it would be protected from you repainting my painting and selling it
A pickup?
A pickup is a class of car, not a specific creation
You can make an "island", you can't make "Tanoa"
humble bane
But they duplicate it from scratch in a 3D modeller. Interested in whether it would be an infringement
You can't call it Tanoa. But, assuming you actually recreated it from scratch without using any original files would it be an infringement? Just interested
As an example. Book has a fictional map. If you recreate that in a game is it an IP infringement?
finite relic
Most likely
ESP if the terrain is called the same as it is in the book and has the same geographical features in the correct locations.
humble bane
As another example, many fan built The Operational Art of War scenarios (including ones I did) replicate the maps and setup of board war games from companies like SPI, GDW and AH. No one ever suggested IP violations...?
finite relic
However, there is always room for βinspired byβ.
finite relic
TOAoW was an amazing game, great reference! However, many of the actions depicted in it are derived from actual potential scenarios. Those in and of themselves arenβt necessarily covered by IP.
humble bane
I have this new terrain Aonat comings soon π
Btw TOAW4 still is. And on Steam now
finite relic
π
lethal ridge
Is warlord headless client compatible, does someone know that?
green quarry
I believe they said in the stream that it wasn't, but they may add something like that at a later date if enough people are playing it
urban sluice
try running a headless script and see what happens?
nova matrix
Well that was fun. A session I was running went from 0 to 25 in under 10 minutes
midnight swift
π
nova matrix
So first we were clearing a town of insurgents, then we were missile striking them, then 3 nukes dropped
nova matrix
We have no idea where the nukes even came from
nova matrix
I was High Command
solemn zodiac
oh
nova matrix
I am the admin of the server :p
solemn zodiac
well then
that raises more questions
like first off, how do you just "find" three nukes lying around
nova matrix
It made for some interesting dialogue, though
nova matrix
Sadly, we'll have to throw that dialogue away tomorrow for a new story