wasteland is vanilla, and no, you won't get backpack on chest or other solutions from BI
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pale patio
ugh, not having not this discussion again, no, wasteland is not vanilla. End of.
slender pebble
is it using mods yes / no
pale patio
yes, server side mods, but they are still mods.
slender pebble
can the player join without mods?
then it's vanilla
it's simple, there's a nice top right box in the loading screens telling you if you're running modded or not
pale patio
like I said, not having this argument again. It's been had before, and you're wrong 😉
slender pebble
well, it's very simple, really, if the game doesn't show you that you're running mods you're using vanilla
and no amount of brain gymnastics will help you, it's literally yes or no.
pale patio
can I run a wasteland server without installing any mods? Yes / no ?
slender pebble
no idea, i'm not using that thing
and guess what, yes that would still be vanilla, server mods / DLLs don't count
pale patio
Hint, the answer is no, it doesn't matter whether the mod is client or server side, it's still a modded game mode.
fallen tulip
Dlls do count
A completely vanilla game would be no server or client side mods
The server mod adds functionality not available in the base game
Ex extdb3
finite relic
Does it come with the game when purchased == Vanilla.
slender pebble
in terms of assets, yes
slender pebble
does that mean that writing a single function turns my game into a modded one? where's the limit?
fallen tulip
The whole deal. Breaking it down to something simple doesn't make it not vanilla
No
slender pebble
it was rhetorical btw
finite relic
A hammer doesn’t come with a house but I can build one with said hammer. That does not make the house Vanilla
fallen tulip
ExtDB3, dlls, functions, wasteland server mod, pictures, functions, extensions, more functionality
Wasteland is modded
slender pebble
do you load an extra PBO or not, it's literally what BIS check to show the "modded" tag on the loading screen
and it's also what I go by
fallen tulip
Lol, you're hilarious
urban sluice
there is still alot u can accomplish without external mods
urban sluice
but vanilla is also a weird term, since what is really vanilla. most mp gamemodes were never written by BI
fallen tulip
Maybe not as a client, but on the server.
urban sluice
i also would think that wasteland counts as modded, but again what is really vanilla
slender pebble
never hosted one, I assumed it didn't require external DLLs or serverside mods tbh
fallen tulip
Vanilla is everything that comes with the game and what you make within the bounds of it
If the asset doesn't have the ability to be made within those bounds then it is a mod
@slender pebble it sure does. Extdb i know for sure
Why are you trying to tell us that it's not modded if you didn't know?
urban sluice
i guess it comes down to if the gamemodes loads external mods. if i understand your viewpoint correctly?
yet i would argue by that defintion that altis life even without external mods isnt really vanilla
fallen tulip
Altis life is modded
urban sluice
i remember to have played on a altis server a long long tiem ago without any external mods tho. yet thats i guess 2015 or even longer ago
finite relic
Going back to when you could buy things in “the box”, if it didn’t come in the box, it’s not Vanilla.
fallen tulip
Yep. Honestly i think i found more satisfaction in putting in a disk from the box
urban sluice
that would make even domination not vanilla 😄
fallen tulip
WoW has done this, and still does.
urban sluice
meh i learned playing arma 2 with domination. domination is for me the defintion of arma,but i get what u mean
xeno on this discord?=
finite relic
At one point he was, but I think he’s gone into retirement again.
urban sluice
dayum i didnt wanna say it, but u confirmed what i assumed FM
fallen tulip
Well i mean, domination in a2 wasnt all that impressive
urban sluice
it may not have been, but its what i learned arma with and later invested of 2k hours into with a2 and a3
so it was a good lessening of the skillcurve and was just right for me
fallen tulip
Meh. Didnt really promote teamwork
The only ones that were working together were the fighter pilots and the helo pilots
And that was just because they were trying to divy up AO's
urban sluice
i found a cool community when i started with arma and they played a2, domination with bundeswehr mod. was fun and good teamwork. really immersed myself due to it and made me love arma2. guess everyone has a different story how they learned hating or loving arma 😄
fallen tulip
I love arma, don't get me wrong. I have loved arma since the beginning of a2. It's just that, teamwork efficiency is at a all time low
Recon is thrown out the window entirely
urban sluice
due to cancer games like battlefield and cod. even red orchestra goes the casual route now...its sad to see, but what most people want it seems
fallen tulip
Everyone likes to run and gun
It's terrible, casual gaming brings zero enjoyment overtime
urban sluice
i stoped buying battlefield with bf3 and never regreted it
fallen tulip
Completely wrecking the enemy team because you planned an operation out for hours on end and executed it perfectly, there is no other feeling like that
Blowing up convoys, riding in disguised.
Taking out air
stealth approaches at night
urban sluice
or through the water
urban sluice
man i remember arma3 trailer and later on that small alpha with stratis. was fun and looked promsiing but in the end underwater was pretty lame
fallen tulip
You can go and try it out now
slender pebble
underwater inventory could be added by modifying one line
fallen tulip
I would say it's just fine
slender pebble
and it would be working perfectly fine
fallen tulip
Underwater inventory has been a param since a2 oa
slender pebble
altho distances check have some issues underwater, but it's easily fixed
urban sluice
yeah but thing like placing bombs underwater on a ship were not in the game from vanilla
fallen tulip
Maybe a little better with handle inventory
urban sluice
should have been in my opinion just to assist the underwater mission planing
slender pebble
ACE3 adds that
slender pebble
more underwater stuff next release
which should be within the week or next week if no more bugs show up
urban sluice
im aware that its possible with additional scripts still i thought it should have been vanilla
urban sluice
just like u have those tripmines why not create a satchel for underwater demolition
slender pebble
I want thingX velocity fixed underwater, it's a shame it's bugged as fuck
fallen tulip
Damn would i love a carrier that is actually full scale
urban sluice
midnight u may enjoy the dayz mod i have planed 😄
fallen tulip
i swear to god my way, if it has anything naval you have my money
slender pebble
the ONE thing that doesn't have issues is the balloons, so to make my crate float I have to attach my crate to a balloon
fallen tulip
Yep
urban sluice
im currently creating all support vehicles on board a lhd carrier around 2000era
slender pebble
it ain't happening tho, too much work
urban sluice
slender pebble
and I can't blame them for it
fallen tulip
Enfusion is the answer anymore. Eh.
slender pebble
rewriting arsenal took me 20 days, but now, now it's guuuuud, nearly done
fallen tulip
Or are you just doing helper functions
Interesting
How did you manage to get icons to work on memory points like the head?
slender pebble
ah, I didn't add them back, nobody uses those
urban sluice
this discord needs custom emojis
slender pebble
but IIRC it was fairly simple
fallen tulip
Lol, i attempted to do so. Draw icon. Modeltoworldvisual. Selection postion.
Nothing
slender pebble
uh, the block is longer than I remember, but it's basic commands
the camera part of it is quite interesting tho
it's a helper object centered that is reattached every frame 😄
urban sluice
yo i didnt play arma in a long time so dont know how it was solved, but are there working strobing lights bnow?
slender pebble
https://imgur.com/a/fwmd7 @fallen tulip
urban sluice
like the flashlights mounted on shields and such to get a disoriented feeling
slender pebble
there's still some polishing to be done (the misc button at the bottom right is to clear the container)
but overall it's much faster to use, for example if you hold shift and click the + or - buttons you get +5 or -5 items, and it works with arrow keys too
so you can fill a backpack full of bananas in under 3s
topaz spindle
unmodded == vanilla ? lol you really think that
you could turn arma into a sidescroller where you play a car that shoots rabbits at evil lighthouse monsters without using a single md
and you would call that "vanilla" ?
slender pebble
you're telling me floppy quads isn't vanilla content?
topaz spindle
there is more to vanilla than that
scripts are also part of the gameplay
if you change them
you mod the game
slender pebble
not marked as such in the loading screen -> vanilla
topaz spindle
its still a modified gamemode
and not to be compared with the original
just depends on how much was changed
you cant say oh the vanilla respawn system works like that when you're playing a missing that uses a different system
fallen tulip
@slender pebble excellent. Expands on the arsenal a bit, is this going to be presented somewhere or are you going to release it somehow?
fallen tulip
So this is being pushed to ACE3?
fallen tulip
Fair enough.
Still have yet to see your guys' development on medical. AGM needs to be thrown out for a more home grown variant
fallen tulip
For some reason, i was under the impression you all were still using bits and pieces of it after the merge
slender pebble
nope, it was rewritten, nearly none of AGM codes remain untouched
slender pebble
not me, people who are on the ACE3 team, i'm a contributor
slender pebble
and yes, it is, debug info for it is glorious
fallen tulip
Awesome.
fickle kettle
@slender pebble Will you new arsenal modification be compatible with commands that modify arsenal contents such as BIS_fnc_addVirtualBackpackCargo?
slender pebble
those aren't command, and no
fickle kettle
function then?
slender pebble
you won't need those anymore
(the BIS funcs)
just call the add or remove func with an array of items and it will find the right internal array and remove it from there
which reminds me I need to add the headers at some point, funcs are here:
https://git.io/vdjsR
https://git.io/vdjsz
fickle kettle
oh ok, so if already doing that in script then there would not be any compatibility issues for example if ace is not used?
slender pebble
you can't load the arsenal without it, so no
fickle kettle
nice
slim owl
[19:09] Midnight: I hear yet that you are rewriting the adv medical
🙄 children have been born, raised and died of old age in the time since that rewrite was announced
slender pebble
a year
also, new ACE3 release 3.11.0
https://github.com/acemod/ACE3/releases/tag/v3.11.0
slim owl
👍 finally the spec refactor
mighty skiff
SPAR is best
alpine robin
agm > ace fight me
fallen tulip
Ballsy
modern iris
Hello guys...i just have my own 2 servers with a begin programmer... he is on the good track..but we need some help.
I have now 2 wasteland servers (malden and tanoa) and a programmer...but its a scripter and doesnt have the brains for the 3d editor thing. To change things on the server.
Like exemple: put 2 more verhicle stores and 2 more garage s in the map.
And the biggest thing we wanna change is. Normaly you have 3 teams: blufor,opfor,inde standard no one see eachoter until you group up...and play together against others. But we wanna make only for blufor and opfor teams that they can see eachother....pls invite me if you can help us
tranquil bay
@modern iris
dude, one channel only
#arma3_scenario
modern iris
Sorry i am new
quartz magnet
out of curiosity, why are saved games so large? the folder of saved games can run into gigabytes
lapis anvil
Anyone know when the ace medical update/rewrite will come out?
night patio
2 more weeks
modern iris
@urban sluice why so funny dude ?
sinful basin
Hey guys, I am trying to put together a list of commands that a zeus curator can type on the fly to adjust details of the mission as it progresses
any suggestions?
unique haven
^^ If I remember right lowering weapon helped with fatigue system but like you quoted, it's the opposite effect now with the stamina.
frosty smelt
topaz spindle
@sinful basin I wouldn't know where to begin (or where to stop)
hearty island
@sinful basin You could include almost every script command in there.
A Zeus shouldn't need deleteVehicle as he can just press DEL
topaz spindle
BIForums are absolutely useless when it comes down to finding a solid piece of information
👆 found posted on the steam forums
🤔
tight forge
quartz magnet
Apex cfg reference is already there though?
hearty island
Exactly. Even all Orange stuff is there afaik.
normal turtle
Made a series for Arma 3 KOTH sniping , would appreciate some feed back. https://youtu.be/qLoJVlxC6Zc
hearty island
@normal turtle #videos_arma
normal turtle
@dedmen Thanks.
slender pebble
whomever said walking weapon raised drains the same amount of stamina as weapon lowered is completely wrong
weapon raised, especially with a heavy weapon is extremely taxing, weapon lowered at a slow jog is the most efficient way of moving around
topaz spindle
👆
normal turtle
Hi. Does anyone here play KOTH on Arma 3 , need a little advice.
Any idea how I get my logo etc to show when i kill someone in KOTH. I keep seeing a little box when i die with the name and logo of the player who shot me.
slender pebble
if anyone could remove the link @glass minnow linked that'd be nice, steam websites start by steampowered, this is a fake one.
plus the https certificate should show valve us
long quiver
@normal turtle Try the KOTH discord for questions like those, the link to the discord is https://discord.gg/0bKRdNI8dtpqBoGS
You'll probably get a quicker answer there
normal turtle
I think I have my answer , thanks.
normal turtle
The answer was from you @topaz spindle on the other channel...
topaz spindle
I know
finite relic
He’s been removed alganthe
slender pebble
thanks
tidal topaz
anyone know why i cant open object builder
hearty island
Yes
pale patio
well to verify, maybe disable ACE and try again?
slender pebble
it doesn't matter the setting, weapons up is a lot more taxing, you might've missed something during your testing
quartz magnet
i think someone in our community tried it once, it seemed to make no difference to stamina drain but weapon lowered was apparently faster. Don't think it was a scientific test though 😄
mighty skiff
Does ACE have a different slingloading system?
slender pebble
nope, there's cargo tho
river epoch
Did someone knows how pylon dialog in ACE3 latest version works ? Can't get the menu working for me.
slender pebble
grab a toolkit, documentation is being written right now
not me writing it tho, i'm having F.U.N with the arsenal rewrite, god damn weapons in container checks
river epoch
thank you !
native charm
I know I'm like a week late to conversation but Local chat in ACRE is 10x better then TFARs
and new intercom feature is great!
slender pebble
it's TS volume and distance attenuation
inb4 you have to call your superior "sir"
ranks are nice to know how long someone has been a part of your unit, organize the chain of command.
Once you start waving your "rank" around it starts getting dicey
quaint oyster
not on deployment, basically a chance to learn new skills and train.
quartz magnet
Though ACRE local is a little quiet sometimes
there's a pre-mix and post-mix volume slider that help a bit, could just be placebo though 😄
quartz magnet
Ah. I do remember something like this happening last year, but it seemed not to be the case this time. maybe my volume was too low overall.
native charm
@slender pebble except most groups are like 50 people, you don't need 10 ranks to manage 50 people. It's like admins, veterans, regulars recruits, done
slender pebble
yeah, no.
chain of command require at least:
command -> squad lead -> team lead, even more if you have other assets
tranquil bay
Milsim without a propper chain of command is a nogo
long quiver
I always find public players who have ranks in their names, and insist on being called said rank cute
But then again, the ranks themselves are more for authenticity than actual hierarchy
slender pebble
if they serve no use they have no reason for being there
native charm
alganthe, we do it that in game
but then again, we dont' have dedicated positions or squads
long quiver
Inb4 your CPT uses his rank to declare himself commissar and execute any hesitant privates
And I've just realised there's another person with the same loaf piccture above
Tis be a small world
jaunty whale
Problem with the ranking system in most units is that they try to set the ranks incredibly high, for their "high command". If you only have 50 people, the highest rank you should have is 1stLt or maybe Capt. It helps the unit grow organically. Everyone tries to start at "Battalion size", yet spends ages filling their only platoon. It creates a huge wave of guys who have rank, but nothing to be in charge of.
When I started the unit I am in now, I started at 2ndLt, and moved up only when I had to in order to retain "CO" billet. All ranks are is a way to organize chain of command E-3 < E-4 < E-5 < E-6, etc. Don't make the chain longer than it has to be, creates the "too many chiefs, not enough indians" problem.
I've seen units with 1-5 Star Generals, and it just doesn't make sense. To each their own in some way though.
tranquil bay
What i ment is, if you play a milsim mission with one squad / 2-4 fireteams, you should use a squad leader and several fireteam leader. At least for that one mission and rotate the possition with the next mission. I'm no fan of fixed possitions ingame and the well known “adress me with my rank, you c*nt“ hyper rp bullshit
After all, it's just a f-ing game. Ppl who want do demonstrate dominance and need comparison for their small d-ck can become cops irl 😉
slender pebble
fixed positions are nice, people know what to do after a while, tho "rank" bullshit is still stupid
tranquil bay
My thought is, Why shouldn't the noob who played for 10 missions as a rifleman Not be allowed to feel the responsibility of a sql once
flint lake
Some people do great when thrown into the crucible. Others, not so much.
tranquil bay
If he fucks up, he'll know and won't apply for that role until he gained more experience
slender pebble
because the other people under him aren't gonna be happy when they get wiped due to his poor leadership
tranquil bay
And that's a good experience for a noob imo.
slender pebble
but it's not fun
tranquil bay
Most likely, but it still can be. Depending on the unit 😉
slender pebble
having someone who doesn't know how to use proper radio comms is just a massive PITA for me, be it in arma or DCS, the "eeerm" "euuuuh" "hmmm" are infuriating
tranquil bay
True, That's why i mentioned those fictional 10 missions. He should know how to do radio coms by then. If he doesn't, he truly won't get to be a ftl/sql
jaunty whale
@tranquil bay The way our unit does it, we have multiple private servers up 24/7 - at all times, ANY member of our unit is allowed to run a mission, be it as Zeus, or Team Leader, etc. People run them many times every day. However, when it comes to the official operations, the ones where a whole Company is in attendance, everyone plays to their role. It's a good way for people to practice team leading without screwing up anything big.
Problem is, a lot of people wait ALL week for the operations, and they're pumped, but a bad FTL or Squad Lead, etc, can ruin the experience for them.
hearty island
@native charm ACRE has better local chat?
TFAR 1.0 is using the exact same method to generate the 3D sound as ACRE does. So any difference besides total volume is purely placebo.
topaz spindle
good squadleaders can make all the difference, no doubt about that
its still good to cycle that position so you get more people trained at that
besides, leading can be a strain and not everyone always wants to do that
unique basalt
Has anyone managed to make active NV/IR work in arma 3?
meager tundra
@unique basalt Can you be more specific?
unique basalt
Like the early systems you see on M60A1/T-62
Where you needed to use IR lamps to illuminate
Also M3 sniperscope and Vampir I guess
unique basalt
:c
dapper slate
i dont even know if IR lights works in arma - i know there were pre-alpha stuf that had IR flashlight but thats it
like IR illumnation
meager tundra
@dapper slate IR lights certainly work in Arma
dapper slate
you mean like flashlight being only IR?
meager tundra
They're used quite frequently in ACE during night ops for example.
dapper slate
blinking doesnt count 😄
meager tundra
Dangit :/
unique basalt
I just want my night sights from the 1960s
meager tundra
I'm sure it's possible somehow with enough scripting and time since flashlights are visible during NVGs use
Programming the reliance upon that flashlight and limiting your perception to just the area of the IR flashlight should certainly be possible.
I'm not a scripter though, so take it with a giant grain of salt
I just don't know of any engine limitations that'd prevent it to my knowledge.
unique basalt
It's unlikely but I hope they add something for it in tanks dlc
meager tundra
Honestly I'd probably bet more on Unsung to do that sort of thing.
They have some great peeps there
alpine robin
Doesn't sound feasible to me with the current state of the game.
opal nacelle
^^^ There's already a dev-admitted lack of available programmers due to Enfusion
hearty island
@opal nacelle Currently not true. A lot of devs are working on Tanks and other stuff on Arma right now
Which you can see if you look at dev branch changelog
slender pebble
I mean, arma 3 is near the EOL stage
opal nacelle
Programmers specifically... my guess is that at some point pettka had to make a decision of what platform features would be designated for Tanks and then "that's it"
hearty island
NV only lights are possible
IR strobes do the same
IR strobes are just normal lights.
But they automatically turn off if your NV is disabled
slender pebble
that's an issue I have too with the toggleFlashlight module
hearty island
So they are not "only visible with NV"
They are "only active with NV"
slender pebble
for some reasons when changing the state of your nv your flashlight turns off
hearty island
That way you can create any lightpoint that only lights when your NV is on
slender pebble
they are active if you don't have NVs, it just turns them off if you turn on / off your NVs
hearty island
Create the light locally on each client. And turn it off/on depending on NV state.
You can easilly do that with light points. But dunno if you can do that with a directional light
slender pebble
can't you change the property of the flashlight to be IR only? that would fix it
hearty island
Don't think the engine respects that
The engine has special simulation for IR strobes that checks if your NV is on
normal flashlights don't
Btw IR strobes have hardcoded lifetime limit of 30 minutes
slender pebble
yeah, we refresh them
quartz magnet
it's kinda amusing how, with enough IR strobes, other lights in the scene start blinking too
or go out completely
but that's the engine saving performance i guess
hearty island
I don't think we refresh them. My issue report about IR strobes disappearing is still open
slender pebble
gimme 5s i'll check
topaz spindle
@unique basalt Has anyone managed to make active NV/IR work in arma 3? you can achieve that by making an IR vision the old way (before arma3)
hearty island
IR strobes also have a special check to make them not show on IR -.-
slender pebble
it's super easy tajin, change the camera mode
topaz spindle
which means messing around with aperture, postprocessing and a spawned lightsource
no
slender pebble
unless i'm misunderstanding the "active" part
topaz spindle
active means you need ir-illumination for them to work
unique basalt
yeah
topaz spindle
@slender pebble im not that much of a newb ^^
not at all actually 😉
maybe you can even reuse some IR-scripts from arma2 for that
i remember making one that spawns lightsources on nearby enemies to make them glow in IR
using a sort of spotlight instead should do the trick
hearty island
IR flares do the same. They just turn off when you disable your NV
topaz spindle
Vampir uses an IR flashlight
slender pebble
@hearty island do they locally ?
hearty island
yes
slender pebble
if that's the case it's not an issue
hearty island
ofcause
slender pebble
unless you try to use a second camera with NV mode, then maybe it won't show there
topaz spindle
so youd basically have to spawn a lightsource, that is only visible when your in your scope, along with some postprocessing
slender pebble
but that's such an edge case
hearty island
It checks if current camera has NV enabled
so.. Switching to other cameras doesn't matter
Not even any post processing. Atleast IR strobes don't use anything special.
hearty island
What were you talking about?
topaz spindle
vampir <-- ancient german nightvision system
hearty island
I thought you were talking about using a lightsource to create a IR only light
topaz spindle
it is a nightvision system that works by using an IR flashlight to illuminate the scene without beeing visible to normal eyes
so not really an IR vision
more a primitive nightvision
and nothing to do with strobes
hearty island
Strobes are a lightpoint that is only visible when you have nightvision enabled
slender pebble
so IR illumination
hearty island
Which is.. What you are trying to do right? A light that is only visible in NV?
topaz spindle
lightpoint != flashlight
hearty island
True. You can't make a directional light currently.
But you can make a light bulb that emits IR light in all directions
topaz spindle
if its for a mod, then yes he can
otherwise just use a existing lightsource with a spotlight and make it invisible
hearty island
can you set a #lightsource to be a spotlight?
hearty island
Well... You can model vehicles that have directional light. You could model a tiny vehicle. createVehicleLocal and attachTo it to your weapon or chest or something. and then turn the light on based on if you have NV on
then you have a directional IR flashlight
simulating other peoples flashlights in MP would be tedious though.
Although.. not really.
slender pebble
well technically it's what is done for "attached items" in ace
native charm
@hearty island It doesn't feel the same, feels like TFAR drops off much more suddenly then ACRE does
meager tundra
@hearty island Doesn't MrSanchez have it simulated on MP for his headlamp mod? I did some testing on it and it definitively follows the head movement when not in ambient animations.
topaz spindle
why not in ambient animations ?
shouldn't be a problem if he uses the right memorypoints
meager tundra
Engine limitation according to him IIRC
sinful basin
@hearty island
Regarding your answer to my question about zeus scripts
The links are just there for people who want to know what the scripts exactly do and how they do it
The post is actually about the code snippets, not the links
and sometimes you do need deleteVehicle, for example for removing dead bodies of players when they aren't added to the curators editable objects
or when dealing with NPCs that were placed in the editor and haven't been added to zeus
meager tundra
https://i.gyazo.com/00e214ac959c29def315dc461e4e80b3.jpg @topaz spindle
topaz spindle
hmm
just had a look at the addon
for some reason he doesnt use attachto
which would solve the issue and make things a lot easier
_lamp setPosASL ((eyePos _unit) vectorAdd [((_offsetVector select 0) * cos _vdir) + ((_offsetVector select 1) * sin _vdir),
(((_offsetVector select 1) * cos _vdir) - (_offsetVector select 0) * sin _vdir), _offsetVector select 2]);
my god....
meager tundra
@topaz spindle Hm?
topaz spindle
yup
thats the main upside of using eyepos
should probably update my ages old helmetcamera to do the same ^^
urban sluice
attachto does not support any rotations the parent mempoint does
it just stays the same vectorUp and vectorDir
hence he does the above
urban sluice
oh he was after the setpos vs attachto ^^
sry i interpreted it as why do all that vector stuff if you could just attach it
slender pebble
you require vector stuff anyways
topaz spindle
it should still be somewhere on armaholic
over 4 years
it could really use an update i guess
finite relic
🔨
short plaza
stumbles in the back door looking for his coffee cup...
finite relic
2 girls have borrowed it...
feral reef
across the road
finite relic
Door #2
short plaza
were they armed?
short plaza
😂
fallen tulip
@slender pebble 2 girls have borrowed it...
thin sable
girls in Arma?
short plaza
it's all a lie.
fallen tulip
A2
We had whores in a2
I guess you did also have that old woman that would shout at you in czech if you had the alice modules placed
thin sable
Should probably make time to finish the female port before new years
long quiver
Inb4 workshop gets flooded with thot extermination missions due to female models
vital dock
hell yes
thin sable
steady galleon
how long is the maintenance from community.bistudio.com ?
long quiver
Enjoying how the music picks up as the camera switches to one of the models crawling around
Nice work though
hearty island
@steady galleon 2 days
steady galleon
ach ok
shell pulsar
Hey guys anyone know if Arma go on sale during Halloween?
thin sable
50/50 chance
shell pulsar
Ok thank you 🤞👍
thin rock
Arma 2 is on sale currently
shell pulsar
I have it already
alpine robin
Is the wiki RIP?
short plaza
it is for me currently.
quartz magnet
yeah
hearty island
I'd rather say WIP
shell pulsar
What wiki?
finite relic
The one that been there for over a decade
uncut plaza
Anyone know when it will go back online?
finite relic
Soon™
indigo frigate
how much is the jet dlc and the marksman dlc
finite relic
I find it funny that question was asked...
No, funny in that he came here to ask that question and just could have googled the answer.
knotty plinth
I remember another Discord, I asked a semi specific question, I forgot til I looked 5 hours later and saw I was mentioned
Completely unrelated buuut ¯_(ツ)_/¯
fallen tulip
@Eenhoorn#8260 the DLC bundle is 24 dollars USD, that means Orange, DLC, Tac Ops, Tanks. Just 24 bucks. Has been like that since a couple months before Jets
untold plover
Does anyone know a rpg discord
fallen charm
Would depend on the community you play with
finite relic
@untold plover https://discordservers.com
balmy forge
I have to say
Flares are very fun to screw around with
And just bath the landscape in light
slim owl
speaking of which @urban sluice do you know of anyone who saved the old config for those? was it just a brightness change, or was there more to it
hearty island
@slim owl https://configs.arma3.ru/
meager tundra
Do you know of any updated list of classnames for RHS? @hearty island
meager tundra
Is there a list that I've missed?
hearty island
apparently
meager tundra
Alright, I'll check it out. Thanks.
slim owl
uuh nice @hearty island … unfortunately, the oldest version i can browse there is 1.54 , and it looks like intensity was already at 10k back then
maybe I can still check out older branches via steam 🤔
🐰 🕳
visual tiger
Is there any good shop & money script/module/system for arma 3? That is one of the things I sorely miss
pale patio
You mean like Wasteland?
visual tiger
Just something that I could plug into my alive mission so I can buy stuff with money I earn for killing and stuff. I have Spyder addon that adds neat interface that lets me spawn any vehicle I want, but i want to earn this
hearty island
@finite relic Sorry :X Other moderators are marked as AFK.. Message under the bunny with hole
obsidian patrol
Hi all, do you guys see the same on bis wiki ? If yes, any info about that ?
https://gyazo.com/45f858ed4f0a13c45e342fb0338d7502
hearty island
@obsidian patrol Click the twitter button below.
obsidian patrol
@hearty island Thanks got it
finite relic
little late, but I got it.
obsidian patrol
Better late than never © 😉
tame cradle
Any information how long the wiki will stay down? Getting redirected to https://data.bistudio.com/maintenance/index.html since 2 days already.
spark zealot
They are getting rid of it all because ISIS scripted a mission
unique haven
lol good one
topaz spindle
well then, maybe in addition to isServer we get a new command isISIS
not to be confused with ISISis
or ISisIS (which always returns true)
slim owl
capitalization matters 👍
hearty island
Sadly all commands are case insensitive ._.
But we can use UTF-8 so just use russian letters or smth
topaz spindle
i know 😉 that'll make it extra fun for them to figure out
tame cradle
Always reminds me of ArmAs "HandShit" command ^^
lapis anvil
Need some advice. Whats a good way to transfer arma 3 plus mods to another computer with a 16GB stick?
finite relic
Is there a specific reason you must use a 16GB stick?
finite relic
I get that but why can’t you just redownload it?
thin sable
zip it into 15gb parts
finite relic
I didnt want to state the obvious 😉
If we knew why you must use a USB stick, we might be able to offer better answers.
lilac jackal
@lapis anvil use Filezilla or, if you are more advanced, simply normal network connection
thin sable
that was already said to be not an option
lilac jackal
How is Filezilla not an option? Oo
finite relic
I was going to suggest OneDrive (or similar)
lilac jackal
Unless there is no way to get into the internet, which then the whole thing is senseless anyways, or it is a computer in different house with different network, Filezilla is the most rookie friendly and simple solution
finite relic
But again, there seems to be a restriction on using just a USB
lilac jackal
7zip and multiple walks
No compression for maximum speed
Alternative without any extra software: nitpicking the folders and transferring then
Stil best solution is to either re-download or use any file over network protocol
quartz magnet
just use steam backup
it'll split it into DVD sized chunks
move arma first, then move mods
and of course, move the Arma profiles in Documents
lilac jackal
Steam does petty much what I just suggested with 7zip
hearty island
Wiki is back online btw
fallen tulip
@hearty island i need my tshirt now. "I survived the biki downage" or something similat
Time to print it all off if my toner wants to cooperate today
thin sable
forum badge perhaps?
paper widget
Make a club 😂
lapis anvil
@quartz magnet Will steam handle the mods though?
quartz magnet
er no. if they are steam mods it'll download them again anyway
if they aren't steam mods then just copy manually
stone river
posted this question in the editor channel a few days ago, but maybe that channel is not the right one? -> Is there a way to make the moving practice targets work? Those on rails specifically, but also the swivel ones?
alternatively, how can i make individual ai not fire back?
want to build a little practice house for noobs
guess i could set players captive insid that area?
stone river
thanks. i came across the first link before, but they write there that it doesnt work in multiplayer.
dreamy marsh
@stone river It should work in MP (the move target script)
thin sable
urban sluice
oh sorry lmao
urban sluice
Algun hispano para jugar
stone river
Ill give that moving target thing a try then. Just playing around with making ai not firing back. Works nicely, but the moving targets would be more decorative
But for these fake enemies that im using now, im trying to respawn them with a script. Now the first time i kill one, he respawns and brings a buddy for some reason
Yes did that. Its all good they are standing there waiting for bullets as they should
But im wondering where that buddy comes from. That only happens once. Only on the first time the dude dies
Weird, but i guess thats for the scripting channel
Ill post my script there in a sec. I did respawns before and that used to work...
jaunty whale
For some reason, my whole mission making team (and me) have been getting very laggy Zeus interfaces ever since the last couple Arma updates. Similar for anyone else?
fallen tulip
@jaunty whale just the interface?
jaunty whale
Basically the whole game when in Zeus.
thin sable
Vanilla Zeus or got something extra running with it
jaunty whale
Some people run Ares/Achilles some run vanilla zeus.
visual tiger
Are there any good randomly generated MOUT training scenario?
slender pebble
MOUT? in arma ?
static blaze
does anyone remember the outrage of the breaking point devs when remoteexec was annouced? what was the deal with it and why did they have such a problem with it?
slender pebble
they had a gigantic stupid misconception about it
and everyone who knew 2 shit about remoteExec just laughed it off
knotty plinth
I remember seeing that, was a good read
urban sluice
Buen Dìa, alguien para jugar arma 3?
visual tiger
@slender pebble I mean something like the "weapon inertia" VR course but with randomly generated obstacles and enemy placement.
fallen tulip
@urban sluice ughhh..this shit should've been done years ago
Like, breaking point has seen its day
And left
All these zombie mods are clones
fallen charm
Deathlyrage was always mad at BIS about something
They're working on a standalone version now, it's up on Steam Greenlight
And they open sourced the mod
fallen tulip
@fallen charm wow, that's pathetic
shell pulsar
guys
fallen tulip
What
shell pulsar
hi
fallen tulip
I sure dont
shell pulsar
uhhh...
fallen charm
@fallen tulip Didn't like the mod? Or the community? The whole shebang?
tranquil bay
uhhh...
sounds like you're ill, you should see a doctor...
@shell pulsar
shell pulsar
@tranquil bay ahahahaha what?
tranquil bay
just saying...
shell pulsar
lol
fallen tulip
@fallen charm the whole shebang
fallen charm
oh, interesting
i hadn't been following it, apparently their kickstarter failed so the project is on hold?
i guess they're looking for other sources of funding
fallen charm
That's the page I ended up on but didn't see an indicator as to the faction or who uses the item
jaunty whale
Gotta love the Taru Bench seating
It's one of those times where you think, "I want a ton of armor for us pilots, we're valuable! But the infantry, eh, f*** em". 😃
fallen charm
Can you still throw the bench over a mountain and have everyone survive?
Also I really hate G Suite right now, argh
knotty plinth
There's the open bench or the closed bench, if you've annoyed Zeus/mission maker, expect an open bench 😂
jaunty whale
G suite is good for most things, until it gets big.
If you have anything expansive, like a 10,000 line spreadsheet, gonna want to use microsoft suite.
Also, the little thing in their terms that says they can access+use anything you make in G Suite is kind of unappealing for companies lmao
visual tiger
Does anyone have a good glovepie profile for Arma 3 with all the commands and such?
jaunty whale
I think you'd probably get a better response for that sort of question on a glovepie specific forum or group.
Could be wrong, but I doubt anyone else here has it.
*anyone else here that actually reads the general chat
fallen charm
G Suite is just kind of annoying compared to Office 365
Basic stuff like email forwarding is a shitshow
There's a liftable standalone carrier isn't there?
rose nebula
hi sorry to ask or bother but ive been wanting to buy arma 3 buy cant afford it can anyone help me get it will repay if possible
hearty island
Sure
rose nebula
can anyone help me out ?
finite relic
Not with that profile pic.
tranquil bay
@rose nebula
are you serious? asking for money to buy A3. wait for it to be on sale and then ask your family for a chrismas gift or whatever. and seriously, to catch up with FM: wtf dude? what's with that image...?
rose nebula
I GUESS
THANKS THO
I just cant afford it
and idk why my pfp is still hitler i shanged it a while ago
thin sable
Be Hitler once, stay Hitler always. Its not a joke.
tranquil bay
@rose nebula
no need to be pissed at the response you got. it's simple: you can't afford it, you don't buy it. you want it, you save your money up for it and THEN buy it...
i can't afford to kill a hooker every day, so i keep it at one a week... simple as that...
urban sparrow
hey guys
im new to this arma but i used to play ofp
any one fancy showing me theropes
fallen charm
The tutorial mission/boot camp stuff is a good start
Just for general familiarization of controls and game systems
Showcases are also good to play around in if there are specific areas you want to focus on
opal nacelle
@urban sparrow im new to this arma but i used to play ofp You've already got something of a conceptual advantage here versus people coming in from other franchises 😄
opal nacelle
Still more familiar with some basic concepts than others without OFp/Arma experience have 😉
urban sparrow
haha ive forgot loads
opal nacelle
Okay, then some relearning... but still 😄 as Sapiens said, familiarization
urban sparrow
yeah
hopefully find a good bunch to play with
i dropped in online just but its full of morons
opal nacelle
The Tutorials main menu option should be valuable... although tbh the Claymores VR Training is a crock ('correct' placement is rather counterintuitive)
viscid knot
i shower once a week
opal nacelle
Weight sorta but the Stamina mechanic replaced Fatigue almost two years ago now
@urban sparrow The Showcase: Fixed Wings IMO is important if you're gonna do air-to-ground gameplay
viscid knot
ive had 140$ for over a year now and i still dont know what to do with it that will satisfy me
urban sparrow
im not fussed really not sure what im gonna do
opal nacelle
Because some of the mechanics (most crucially sensors) debuted in this year's Jets game update to Arma 3
urban sparrow
i remember i used to just be sabotage on ofp and get a cesna and glide into peoples bases and c4 the lot
opal nacelle
Ahhh 😄 yeah, there's actually a faux-Cessna in Arma 3
urban sparrow
and capture the flag i kicked ass on
opal nacelle
albeit to get into the pilot/co-pilot seat(s) normally you have to buy the Apex DLC
urban sparrow
used to be in a clan best player i ever met was a guy called doc
opal nacelle
You can however try it out by placing it down in the Editor (with you playing as pilot of course) and previewing scenario, or by choosing the "Caesar BTT" in Virtual Arsenal/Garage from the Tutorials menu
urban sparrow
cool man i got a friend on now hes gonna do a few coops with me
opal nacelle
There's "oh hey this is DLC content" pop-ups occasionally when flying it outside of Virtual Arsenal/Garage without Apex
Hope that friend gets you through 😄
opal nacelle
(Re: the pop-ups: Bohemia's official explanation is that their previous method of handling DLC wasn't obvious enough for newcomers to Arma 2)
fierce valve
rose nebula
im looking forward to having a community once i save up for it
jaunty whale
Don't ever start a community because you want it, start a community that others want you to start.
It's how thousands of god-awful communities have come to start and die, in all games, not just Arma.
Andddd another developer runs away with my money without returning the development project. 😢
The paypal appeals process is becoming all too familiar
twilit oar
^^ same note for servers
soft drift
Start community so you can tell grills you run gaming community and then make their panties drop
spring quest
😆
jaunty whale
Yup 😃 Started milsim 3 years ago, just celebrated 3 year anniversary with the lady this past Friday. Coincedence? I THINK NOT!
opal nacelle
@jaunty whale What's the project this time?
finite relic
My advice is don’t “start a community”. Just start finding people you enjoy playing with. Over time the number of people you play with will grow (and sometimes shrink). That’s how a “community” is formed. Any idiot can get a website up and running, rent a server and call themselves a “community”. We see those all the time. They are the ones who need to raise money to support their community or turn to misusing mods in an attempt to attract new players. Communities that last, happen naturally.
slim owl
👍
quartz magnet
Honestly all of those are needed
And imo should be considered "running a community" as well
slim owl
yes. developers are wanted by like… everyone
what's left to "running a community" is just stuff like talking to people and organizing events, as in "hey wanna come? itll be great" and organizing the hive mind ("12 yea, 3 nay, proposal accepted, i'll write it down in proper forrm in our wiki")
fallen tulip
@Francis040394#9786 well if you don't want judgement then you can go ask somewhere else, because here you definitely will.
wtf discord
fallen tulip
Yep because you aren't going to get anything different here
it's just the reality of it
that's not what I was concerned about, my point is that you aren't going to get any positive responses.
I can already tell how much of a joke you are.
this is entertaining already.
pale patio
well it's the Official discord server ... so everyone is welcome here
fallen tulip
Well GBee, lifers. Are, an exception in my book.
Obviously not universally
but this is what I mean
pale patio
although not everyone is going to support your Life choices .... (sorry had to)
fallen tulip
That's what a lifer would say 🤣
fallen tulip
You aren't looking deep enough then
topaz spindle
I'm trying to help youthere
hearty island
let it be known that iam leaving this server
@ember tinsel Why are you still here?
hearty island
If you search for servers #looking_for_game would probably be the better place I guess
Why did you also ask in here then?
fallen tulip
that doesn't mean it's appropriate to ask here?
that's like me asking about SQF in Terrain Makers channel
Because there are specific channels for specific topics
hearty island
If something belongs into a channel it shall be posted there and not here.
I didn't make these rules.
If there is no channel that applies and you still talk about Arma then you shall post here. Else in #offtopic_arma .
fallen tulip
I am actually being pretty subtle about this.
Just because someone does something, and doesn't get caught. Does that make it legal?
hearty island
I don't see advertising in here?
fallen tulip
I mean come on, have some dignity
hearty island
Although you are actually asking for people to break the rules and advertise life servers to you.
@finite relic o7
We get trolls like you every other day. You are nothing special 😄
You just said that didn't you?
fallen tulip
WHAM
finite relic
🔨
tranquil bay
Oh c'mon... I missed it again. I got so much popcorn by now and miss all the moments to heat it up.......
fallen tulip
😂 It's okay Chris, one of these days.
hearty island
wasn't really interesting.
finite relic
One thing I’ve learned over a very long career is that, no matter whether your argument is valid or how “correct” you feel you may be, once you resort to swearing and name calling, you’ve lost. End of story.
If you have a complaint, I have an open door. Anyone can speak to me or any other moderator at any time (when we’re on).
meager tundra
Oh, my comment was tongue in cheek, nothing else.
finite relic
It wasn’t in response to yours, I’d been typing it for a bit but kept getting interrupted here at work.
fallen tulip
Yes FM, i will track you down to your train station just for you to ban someone 😉
finite relic
It’s rarely on time
fallen tulip
Hahah :D
meager tundra
@tranquil bay did you see this 🤣? https://i.gyazo.com/139655dada99721b8078414a699e1a63.png https://i.gyazo.com/b1b92cf05df2a05844b7c774e6e7e16c.png
hearty island
dapper slate
coughRHScough
alpine robin
-_-
hearty island
Was also my first thought @dapper slate
tranquil bay
@meager tundra
Sure, this was the origin of the #350 meme 😂
dreamy marsh
@dapper slate In other words, third-party DLC we publish should never replace something which was previously free.
Looks like you need a new faction 😄
twilit oar
#350 lol
urban sluice
Oof
deft bone
After more than four years of post-release development, the Arma 3 team is gradually moving onto new projects here at Bohemia Interactive.
ARMA 4 CONFIRMED
dreamy marsh
I don't think so (atleast not within the next 4 years of ArmA 3 getting it's last DLC)
deft bone
Shush... optix... shush
jaunty whale
"Laws of War Standalone Confirmed"
dreamy marsh
The post sounds very much like "ArmA 3 is here to stay and the community keeps things spicy for years"
deft bone
btw
jaunty whale
"Take On Mars: Musk Expansion, Confirmed!"
deft bone
1 more month before Arma 3 reaches the same age as Arma 2 when Arma 3 was released
meager tundra
Idk, it sounds a bit concerning commercializing and supporting third party content that BI isn't responsible for.
dapper slate
"better make those official A3 life stuff" 😛
meager tundra
@dapper slate kill me
quartz magnet
Different from Arma 3's official DLC so far, this new third-party premium DLC would always be an optional installation. This means you only download the DLC data after you've purchased the third-party DLC pack - and so if you didn't purchase and install the additional content, you wouldn't see it listed in Arma 3's main menu or in the Editor's content browser.
Hmmm. I got very excited for the possibility of someone bringing proper radio stuff to vanilla, but given the above quote plus "only download if owned" policy kinda makes it...hard to use as vanilla unless all players have the stuff.
dreamy marsh
@meager tundra BI is not responsible for it, people that go up to them to sell something as an official community DLC sign a contract that basically reads "I legally confirm that all content is my own work or work I own the corresponding rights for and Bohemia is not resposible for the content being sold"
Other games have been doing it like this for quite some time now already, a (kinda funny) example is OMSI2 the Omnibus Simulator 😄
quartz magnet
Still, will be interesting to see what comes out of it
dreamy marsh
ArmA 3 Boats DLC
dapper slate
better than the outcome from the contest 😄
meager tundra
🤔
hearty island
@quartz magnet The This means you only download the DLC data after you've purchased the third-party DLC pack
Makes it essentially equivalent to paid workshop mods
quartz magnet
Yeah
meager tundra
Aye, you're not gonna be able to connect to a server not requiring those mods
hearty island
Only that BI decides what gets to be such mod. Instead of the Mod author like was the case with Bethesda afaik
lunar moss
And with better quality assurance and more customer protection, so quite far from paid Workshop mods
dreamy marsh
Can't wait till the first Weapon Skins DLC drops 🍆
quartz magnet
I'm mildly disappointed because i really love BI's current DLC model (adverts instead of outright inability to play)
dapper slate
@dreamy marsh oh boy
dreamy marsh
Katiba - Dragon Lore
twilit oar
@quartz magnet I agree but they would have to do more updating to the base game if that were the case
I mean games like gta are 70gb base so why can't arma be as well 😛
but maybe like 3 or 4 dlc push updates a year wouldn't be too bad
brisk inlet
Oh, a heated debate
quartz magnet
Yeah it's just that...the only reason any of the DLCs get adopted in vanilla MP is because they're available to everyone
And usually people get sick of ads and buy the stuff, eventually
With these DLCs we pretty much won't be able to use them
slim owl
🤔 how are those 3rd party DLCs going to get their patches? With the normal arma3 release cycle?
twilit oar
I bought the current/existing dlc for support versus seeing ads
plus more stuff, but I like that they are available to all
quartz magnet
Yeah but that's not an option everyone's going to take (which is fair).
twilit oar
@slim owl they would probably be independent updates
quartz magnet
I mean, my concern is really just from a vanilla organised community standpoint. I'm sure many people will buy it for other reasons.
twilit oar
I see only high quality terrains and full scale mods (like rhs) being acceptable dlc because otherwise there isn't much point and you alienate players if they don't have the financials to buy a mod to play on your server
puts a strain on the server admin to pick content that isn't a dlc to not force players to buy them
gritty cosmos
Even non-vanilla... I don't know about other admins, but no chance in hell I force any of my guys to buy a paid mod to be able to participate in a mission.
twilit oar
but its exactly that - then whats the point of these paid mods?
basically just SP
or exclusive servers I guess
quartz magnet
Yup...
twilit oar
bite the bullet and make them ebo dlc 😄
quartz magnet
ikr 😄
twilit oar
I wouldn't mind that, I already bought more space for my arma lol
quartz magnet
From a vanilla standpoint these are mods for all intents and purposes (and is also the reason we never used their "official mod" either)
gritty cosmos
Premium locked content so alternatives can be provided and not strongarm any players, great. But anything else, why bother and potentially cut down the audience for missions and events. Hopefully everyone sees things similarly and is vocal about it, it can be tweaked sooner rather than later.
twilit oar
^^
rustic moat
we will provide guidelines on technical and quality requirements, assist with the Quality Assurance process I wonder if BI will reject mods for not having enough bugs lol
hearty island
I see the sense for Modders to try to do this.. But I don't see any reason why someone would use it
twilit oar
maybe they should do it like the old A2 dlc did it - where you have the washed textures + ads
then if you get DLC then you have the full blown deal
still connect to all servers
hearty island
AAA Terrains are the only thing that sounds reasonable as a paid DLC. As you can't use terrains with people who don't have it anyway.
But gear like weapons.. What would Servers do? Force everyone to own the DLC. Or don't and let people who do run around with invisible weapons?? Or forbid them?
meager tundra
Undetailed textures really, really upsets me
twilit oar
but otherwise you couldn't play on that server at all, would it be that much of a downside?
meager tundra
Yes. For me it would.
twilit oar
then buy the dlc 😄
@hearty island Thats the best choice for this - almost a terrain + vehicles + weapons/units "pack" as a DLC
that way it makes more sense I guess
hearty island
I don't see vehicles/weapons though. Public servers would need to forbid the DLC so people can't run around with invisible weapons. Or take special measures so that they can't get these weapons (Arsenal whitelist and crap)
Or just forbid them.. But when 90% of the servers will forbid your Mod/DLC why would a Modder put work into it
gritty cosmos
^
urban sluice
Depends if there is a free low quality version of the addon & dlc contains high quality version
i.e how a2 expansions was
urban sluice
ahh you did 😉
hearty island
I only see it working like Bohemia already did it.. Everything that could be used by other players while not owning the DLC is always available/downloaded.
They've done that with Tanoa. You don't download the map if you don't own it. Because there is no possibility that other players can use Tanoa in your match.. Because you couldn't be in that match
twilit oar
imo thats the only real way though torn - or how they currently do it with dlc
that also does bring in the picture, if you own the dlc are you blocked from playing on servers that don't allow it or do you have to not load it up at launch to avoid that?
hearty island
You can probably disable it. You can also disable the current DLC's and start your game without them
vale valley
that's actually the worse way cause it makes it non MP compatible and w/o free ... variant, so try avoid that Tanoa lockout style
hearty island
except if another DLC depends on content of another one..
twilit oar
I guess I don't understand what you said Dwarden, you mean the washed textures versus makes it non MP compatible and free?
vale valley
no, i mean Tanoa approach for expansion was completely different ballpark and not in scope for this DLC pitch
quartz magnet
Yeah but it amounts to the same, right? People without this DLC can't play/use DLC content
twilit oar
ah I see
vale valley
no, they must be, you must have free variant
quartz magnet
but not in vanilla from what i understood?
i.e. if you don't buy the premium 3rd party DLC, you don't have the content in vanilla, and thus can't play a vanilla misison with the content.
(in contrast to current DLCs, where everyone has the content)
(except Tanoa)
twilit oar
in that link it says you will only have the DLC available after download versus current system
^
knotty plinth
twilit oar
So you would have to unload your DLC content to play on a server that doesn't run said DLC
knotty plinth
Different from Arma 3's official DLC so far, this new third-party premium DLC would always be an optional installation. This means you only download the DLC data after you've purchased the third-party DLC pack
quartz magnet
Alternatively, you can't join a server that uses the content (or can't see the weapons, etc)
So Dwarden i think most of us are cautioning against this approach, because it doesn't seem like a great idea given everyone's experiences so far.
quartz magnet
Actually, on that note - will missions made by people with premium DLC now not work for people who don't have these DLCs, even if they (mission makers) don't use the content?
twilit oar
Need more clarifications 👌
quartz magnet
Yeah...
twilit oar
Premium 3rd party DLCs will be not automaticaly distributed to all Arma users. The instalation will be optional. 3rd party can put free version in workshop.```So you could make a free version of your premium mod, you would just have to do it yourselves
knotty plinth
It feels as if you'll be restricted to very little servers or SP
Which then brings, what's the intended purpose of the third-party DLC? To bring in money and give people something to do?..
quartz magnet
i guess if they're literally going to treat it as a paid workshop mod (i.e. a mod that can be selected via launcher) then they'd prevent a lot of MP issues.
knotty plinth
I think I'll have to keep watching, as I'm still not sure of the outcome. It feels as if it's primarily aimed at supporting BI and SP/editor, (Which I'm not against, I'm just used to the DLC adverts and MP)
I can't quit see groups choosing to pick the mod DLC up unless they force everyone to have it
topaz spindle
I can't quit see groups choosing to pick the mod DLC up
I guess that depends on what it is...
lets say RHS did that...
knotty plinth
You missed some of it though
jaunty whale
It would probably be more effective in the way that DCS has it, in that there's a DLC for a certain vehicle, or variants of a certain vehicle.
You want an Arma 3 LAV? (Like I've been dying for from RHS), you buy the LAV for $5
You want a police car for your altis life stuff, buy a police car for $5
topaz spindle
uuuh
night patio
DCS is a horrible model for DLC
topaz spindle
I don't like the idea of that
knotty plinth
I'd love to see MP compatibility though, so you're not forced to purchase it in order to play with friends or your group
twilit oar
^
jaunty whale
It is a horrible model for DLC, I'm just saying more effective in terms of sales
Which seems to be what they're aiming for here
topaz spindle
it could very well be that those thrid party DLCs are handled the same way as regular DLC in terms of MP
jaunty whale
Trying to squeeze the last bit of money out of a game thats no longer going to recieve official DLC (Which is completely appropriate to do)
knotty plinth
Quiksilver: If its like $2 in cost and a bundle of multiple quality submissions, is the only way i can imagine it working with the community Is the only real way I see too
jaunty whale
They would make more money that way, even though it sucks for the communities.
topaz spindle
though that could be problematic since it would require everyone to download that stuff even if they dont want it
knotty plinth
It's only going to inspire for illegitimate means of aquiring the DLC though, I can see groups distrubuting the files in order to play with their friends
Well, it's how I see it'd happen. Supporters will buy it regardless, people on the fence are going to be discouraged due to everyone else needs it if they choose to play with the mod
quartz magnet
it could very well be that those thrid party DLCs are handled the same way as regular DLC in terms of MP
They've explicitly stated it's not the case, as of now.
knotty plinth
^ Sadly
knotty plinth
I unfortunately don't see it working out very well
If it's going to be in MP, you get adverts if you haven't purchased it, I can see it working
twilit oar
or low quality + MP and purchase is highquality
that would be da best, saves space on peoples harddrives but allows in vanilla etc
the size of arma 3 including all dlc is like what ~30gb? thats a small size vs a current gen game
gtav is over 2x that - most current shooters are huge in size too (cod ww2 45 gb on Xbox One, 56 gb on PS4 and 90 gb on PC)
so they can still squeeze room and be fine imo
quartz magnet
iirc Apex + DLC Bundle 2 ~ 10GB (or maybe 12GB)
Going by CUP/RHS, a small content DLC would probably be 0.5-2GB
which isn't too bad
night rover
what's this about DLC? did i miss something?
knotty plinth
twilit oar
@quartz magnet I keep beating the same dead horse but https://i.imgur.com/nsdSWmz.png same top is a 2048x2048 humvee exterior and the bottom is the same texture but 1024x1024
urban sluice
Soon, the "Pay for your tiddy mods" meme wont just be for Todd Howard
fallen tulip
Wonder if developers will be able to set the price
So we could see vanilla content from the community
And we could get entirely new features and platform withought waiting for bi to do anything
low spoke
They were clear, no existing free mods today qualify
quartz magnet
@twilit oar yeah it increases/decreases by a the square of the length, it's pretty great
fallen tulip
Must've misread
low spoke
and the community already paid for RHS. BIS spent $200k on them vs on platform/content development costs.
quartz magnet
Also, I wouldn't expect platform updates either, from this thrid-party stuff.
quartz magnet
Aye.
fallen tulip
That sucks
urban sluice
Oof
fossil ermine
@low spoke
and the community already paid for RHS. BIS spent $200k on them vs on platform/content development costs.
for real?
low spoke
😄
slender pebble
MANW was a gigantic mistake, I won't stop repeating it
fallen tulip
/shrug
unreal zinc
How about you guys post all your concerns into the tread? Babbling around like old hags here in Discord wont help BI to shape this up to be something good
slender pebble
it's locked
unreal zinc
slender pebble
oh, didn't see that one, only saw the PSA one
the only content creator I know of that could benefit from it would be toadie
unreal zinc
Then you must have quiet the narrow view of mods that would fit into that scheme
fossil ermine
in before : big modding groups will surely go DLC way and will no longer support the free addoon they make drama....
short plaza
😂
night rover
I was just joking with the BI realised they could sell RHS finally and personally think this is a good idea/experiment from BI
i suggested/predicted something like this multiple times before here in fact
thin sable
You should definitely petition to get a cut of the $$$$
night rover
dwarden giv $$$ pls
gritty cosmos
Doing it on Reddit is probably a better idea in terms of visibility, people are a lot more inclined to chuck an upvote or comment on a service they already have and use, than taking the time to argue on a BI forums thread
night rover
for real though, a more general-purpose game instead of arma would be better suited for these kinds of experiments. BI should make a low priced "game" like gmod or something - a blank canvas - that they and the community can experiment with.
native charm
ylands?
night rover
cartoon graphics, nobody cares about ylands
native charm
Yea, whatever.....
I know alot of Arma people who play Minecraft and are interested in Ylands
night rover
not to discredit their work, the game looks cool, but imo they need a blank canvas
native charm
meh
they have blank canvas
Arma3 could have been that canvas, problem is they bolted on this DLC too late in the game
night rover
nah the AI and weapon mechanics are too deeply rooted in the engine for arma to be truly general purpose imo
or....something is too deeply rooted
native charm
I disagree with you on YLands BTW, it looks like it could be whatever you wanted it to be but that's discussion for different channel
night rover
anything with indoor mechanics or good animations is out of the question for arma 3 mods 😢
native charm
but I think problem with this community DLC approach is how late in the game they want to do it
night rover
sounds like they're doing it cos they are now working on arma 4/other stuff
this is surely preferable to 0 new arma 3 content
i'd be totally happy if BI just threw cash at #arma3_terrain for the rest of time tbh. terrains are the best thing about this game.
slender pebble
take on mars guys 😄
oh wait, it was released?
holy shit, it was, and the reviews are.... well... terrible
native charm
I'm fine with 0 new Arma3 content
the mod makers will do what they do
hell, when Arma4 comes out, most of bigger communities won't jump on it because they will want stuff like ACRE2/TFAR/ACE and such that takes time to port
vale valley
@slender pebble TKOM is quite good especially after all the patches and content updates ... i can count good similar space-ish sims with some-science on fingers
take in mind it was side-project and never fully fledged AA
slender pebble
the tools for modding are awesome tho
native charm
Dwarden, at this point there is really only one good one and doubt there is room for much more
pretty niche market
vale valley
now if one could just take CCGM and TKOM and upgrade theirs Enforce to Enfusion by single button click ... 🤤
slender pebble
hopefully we get similar tools for enfusion, god damn I love TKOM tools
vale valley
better tools is long term secret plan which everyone knows about 🤣
cerulean hound
I downloaded the IFA3 mod yesterday but it didn't show up until today
Did I do something wrong?
tranquil bay
if it shows up now, all good i guess
meager tundra
Haven't RHS said that their stuff will always be free? 🤔
slender pebble
they'd have to make RHS compatible with vanilla too, huehuehuehuehue
meager tundra
I've looked through their thread several times, they've always had the policy that their stuff would be free. I doubt that'll change anytime soon.
gloomy nest
super duper premium exclusive CUP season pass here i come
meager tundra
@tranquil bay CUP season pass when? 😂