#general_chat_arma | ARMA | Page 265

finite relic Jun 10, 2016, 10:45 AM

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Don't discriminate against poor roadways, what have they done to you?

near sun Jun 10, 2016, 10:47 AM

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Having functional collision detection is a tough subject... It's a long term goal that this great community has set for itself and it's our duty as fan's to reach that goal.... but we must do it together... united... in a way that will slowly ease all members of this community into a mindset of acceptance towards roadway lods and the many benefits they will bring

dreamy marsh Jun 10, 2016, 10:48 AM

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holds sign up Stop killing soldiers with insufficient lod's!

finite relic Jun 10, 2016, 10:48 AM

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Homogeneity

near sun Jun 10, 2016, 10:48 AM

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Maio 2016!

finite relic Jun 10, 2016, 10:48 AM

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An EU of lods

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Assimilate

dreamy marsh Jun 10, 2016, 10:49 AM

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Do it or get out!

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Wait that sounds like I want to start a revolution

near sun Jun 10, 2016, 10:49 AM

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Easy my friends... we must accept all walks of life in our welcoming communal buss-om

finite relic Jun 10, 2016, 10:50 AM

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Sounds like me talking to the wife in bed

dreamy marsh Jun 10, 2016, 10:50 AM

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uhm

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lets change the topic

finite relic Jun 10, 2016, 10:51 AM

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It's people... Soylent Green is PEOPLE!

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Tanoa is green, ergo ...

near sun Jun 10, 2016, 10:53 AM

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accordingly vis-a-vis

unreal zinc Jun 10, 2016, 10:53 AM

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Uhm, I thought they finally added propper top collision to all their new objects

finite relic Jun 10, 2016, 10:53 AM

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Quid pro quo Clarice

dreamy marsh Jun 10, 2016, 10:53 AM

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FM seems like the guy that when you say "Do it or get out" looks over to you like http://image.prntscr.com/image/785c6d909bfd417aa0cdc04f94c884cf.png

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@unreal zinc Negative

near sun Jun 10, 2016, 10:53 AM

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Where did you find a pic of him ?

finite relic Jun 10, 2016, 10:53 AM

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Lol

dreamy marsh Jun 10, 2016, 10:54 AM

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Untrusted Sources

finite relic Jun 10, 2016, 10:56 AM

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In other news, im disappointed that the desktop client doesn't have avatars next to names like the mobile version.

storm blade Jun 10, 2016, 10:57 AM

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[12:43 PM] Maio: I have many personal friends who are anti-roadway lod's

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i have many friends who are anti-potato

finite relic Jun 10, 2016, 10:57 AM

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Is Maio Irish?

storm blade Jun 10, 2016, 10:58 AM

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also i know many people who are trying with rhetorical questions, to draw people into dismissing logic

near sun Jun 10, 2016, 10:58 AM

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afk 5 mins

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I love you all deeply...

storm blade Jun 10, 2016, 10:58 AM

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nevermind

finite relic Jun 10, 2016, 10:59 AM

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Honestly, there is nothing worse then climbing over an object only to get stuck in it.

storm blade Jun 10, 2016, 10:59 AM

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its not even debateable

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its self-evident

finite relic Jun 10, 2016, 11:00 AM

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There's a big hotel type building on Altis that I regularly fall through the floor and get stuck in.

storm blade Jun 10, 2016, 11:00 AM

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those are legacy issues

frosty smelt Jun 10, 2016, 11:01 AM

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I see the ASP-1 making a comeback on Tanoa

storm blade Jun 10, 2016, 11:01 AM

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that stem from a time when the code for tank simulation was reused for infantry movement

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at some point in time during the development of OFP, there was that time when one programmer said to another "hey you have to finish the infantry movement code today because im going to hardcode that shit so hard today so that it will remain like that forever"

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and the other programmer was like "shit i dont have time i just reuse the code for tank movement i just wrote, for infantry"

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and ever since then, everything movement and clipping releated was based on that ever since

urban sluice Jun 10, 2016, 11:05 AM

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I call that bullshit...

storm blade Jun 10, 2016, 11:06 AM

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you can not know

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you wasnt there

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also, go climb on a garbage container

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(you cant lol)

dreamy marsh Jun 10, 2016, 11:06 AM

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Anyone up for some battlefield? https://gyazo.com/730ffa6e9693e1838e40381bf8d884e7

finite relic Jun 10, 2016, 11:07 AM

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I think the last shooter game like that I owned was Medal of Honour (years ago)

urban sluice Jun 10, 2016, 11:08 AM

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And you were there?

storm blade Jun 10, 2016, 11:08 AM

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yes, i was there

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but you wherent

finite relic Jun 10, 2016, 11:09 AM

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Based on the way BI have done stuff in the past, it wouldn't surprise me.

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But I don't know enough about it to agree or disagree. Though I'm leaning toward agreeing with Fabio (at least in principle)

storm blade Jun 10, 2016, 11:12 AM

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the point is, you cant turn back time

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though you can make your garbage containers climbable in the future

near sun Jun 10, 2016, 11:13 AM

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near future fabio...near future

storm blade Jun 10, 2016, 11:13 AM

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😆

urban sluice Jun 10, 2016, 11:30 AM

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ah sry fabio didn't know that you are one of the spanel brothers

storm blade Jun 10, 2016, 11:32 AM

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http://static.fjcdn.com/pictures/Saw+while+playing+operation+flashpoint+impossibru_461859_3291862.jpg

urban sluice Jun 10, 2016, 11:40 AM

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just to proove you wrong, the roadway lod is for infantry only, a tank ignores the roadway lod, it needs ageometry lod with mass to drive over a object...

dreamy marsh Jun 10, 2016, 12:20 PM

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That feeling when you land your plane so good..

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goosebumps

finite relic Jun 10, 2016, 1:10 PM

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This is how you land a helicopter!

http://images.akamai.steamusercontent.com/ugc/485641161505823403/9FCEE91AA5C24468C0FDF1634BBD527DF5F90D08/

urban sluice Jun 10, 2016, 1:13 PM

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🙄

finite relic Jun 10, 2016, 1:52 PM

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And this is how we got out.. Carefully. http://youtu.be/Im4EPhUDxtc

YouTube

-FM-

SmukY can fly!

▶ Play video

dreamy marsh Jun 10, 2016, 2:52 PM

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Quite impressive I must admit

vale valley Jun 10, 2016, 2:55 PM

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https://forums.bistudio.com/topic/191515-ai-driving-feedback-topic/#entry3041276

Bohemia Interactive Forums

AI Driving - Feedback topic - ARMA 3 - DEVELOPMENT BRANCH

AI Driving - Feedback topic - posted in ARMA 3 - DEVELOPMENT BRANCH: They told me to explain what is new AI driving and how it works. Weve been working on it for many months, in almost complete secrecy (excluding occasional Oukej talking about vacuum cleaners).
It is mandatory to mention, that it is still Work In Progress, has few bugs I know and many which I dont know about yet. Also, currently this new AI driving works only for wheeled vehicles, otherwise known as Cars.
Now let me try to...

near sun Jun 10, 2016, 3:02 PM

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iS THE PATCH OUT?

slender pebble Jun 10, 2016, 3:02 PM

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It's an explanation of a change made yesterday on the dev branch

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and no, 1.62 release date (APEX) hasn't even been announced yet

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You'll be able to know it at the PCGamingShow next monday.

near sun Jun 10, 2016, 3:03 PM

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What?

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I skipped yesterday's change log

wheat venture Jun 10, 2016, 3:03 PM

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will we see new vehicles / stuff on dev-branch, or only tanoa will be available?

near sun Jun 10, 2016, 3:03 PM

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Now I see

slender pebble Jun 10, 2016, 3:04 PM

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check the latest dev log @wheat venture the vehicles and weapons are showcased there

wheat venture Jun 10, 2016, 3:04 PM

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i mean, in-game

slender pebble Jun 10, 2016, 3:04 PM

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No idea

near sun Jun 10, 2016, 3:04 PM

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They will be staged]

wheat venture Jun 10, 2016, 3:05 PM

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because i saw those VTOLS and was like "do want"

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(i also hope linux HC will be fixed in apex finally)

near sun Jun 10, 2016, 3:07 PM

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Those are military spec VTOL's lex... I highly doubt you have the necessary clearance to approach them, not t mention own or fly them

patent jackal Jun 10, 2016, 3:11 PM

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As far as I understand, you don't have to have clearance to own a plane just because it's military spec or a VTOL. In the US, the only things that would require clearance is stealth, radar, and weapon tech. A vehicle that's just good at moving in odd ways doesn't require clearance. I know of several civilians that own straight up fighter jets with the weapons systems disabled.

finite relic Jun 10, 2016, 3:38 PM

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Demilled is the term you're looking for.

wheat sundial Jun 10, 2016, 3:56 PM

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I'm pumped to see the loading mechanics and then totally overload the blackfish with a Marshall + slingloaded Hunter 👌

urban sluice Jun 10, 2016, 5:25 PM

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I bought a Apex DLC on Steam, but I couldnt install 😐 write on libiary "not installed" how can i down it?

cerulean trellis Jun 10, 2016, 5:26 PM

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you enable the dev branch on steam for the main game

urban sluice Jun 10, 2016, 5:27 PM

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oops thnx :}

delicate current Jun 10, 2016, 5:48 PM

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@urban sluice as its not released yet to stable and don't expect units yet they arent on the dev branch yet

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either

feral reef Jun 10, 2016, 5:59 PM

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@fossil ermine What's on " http://0.4.1.1/ "? 😄

fossil ermine Jun 10, 2016, 5:59 PM

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😃

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for some reason due YT urls, facebook thinks there is a attachment there, or a ling towards it in any case

feral reef Jun 10, 2016, 6:00 PM

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hehe

fossil ermine Jun 10, 2016, 6:01 PM

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couple of ppl tried editing it, myself included, can't get rid of that

feral reef Jun 10, 2016, 6:02 PM

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Yeah, Twatter is strange

fossil ermine Jun 10, 2016, 6:19 PM

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FB, not twatter

south spindle Jun 10, 2016, 6:35 PM

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Interesting HUD https://gyazo.com/52c403f6d150c9b2ade1e9037c76cdd3

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As of the update 10 minutes ago

hollow scarab Jun 10, 2016, 6:38 PM

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shacktack fireteam hud?

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http://www.armaholic.com/page.php?id=18948

south spindle Jun 10, 2016, 6:43 PM

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No there is now a squad radar available https://gyazo.com/f24a01bf1df537f5c92fa179db97e6bb

finite relic Jun 10, 2016, 6:44 PM

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Looks Shack Tac'y to me (inspired by or lifted from?)

south spindle Jun 10, 2016, 6:44 PM

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That's the idea I guess

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You can also choose where it is in the customize layout option https://gyazo.com/21c21e0dc5424f9cc72db538ca48759c

unique haven Jun 10, 2016, 6:54 PM

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wait that's vanilla?

south spindle Jun 10, 2016, 6:55 PM

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Yes

unique haven Jun 10, 2016, 6:55 PM

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I was wondering what you were talking about tbut now I just realized

south spindle Jun 10, 2016, 6:55 PM

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As of today's dev branch update

cunning gyro Jun 10, 2016, 6:56 PM

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that look so horrible

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sorry BI but dafug that looks so ugly

south spindle Jun 10, 2016, 7:00 PM

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Well the screenshot with the names on it was from when I was moving it in the customize layout UI

icy brook Jun 10, 2016, 7:48 PM

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AI SUX - tank stuck in building ;/

dreamy marsh Jun 10, 2016, 8:16 PM

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Are there any new music tracks coming with Tanoa?

urban sluice Jun 10, 2016, 8:27 PM

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I cant see groups on server after 50 meter

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group / tag*

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groupIndicators found it 😄

hollow scarab Jun 10, 2016, 8:45 PM

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squad radar is welcome as long as we can force it to be hidden in dificulty settings.

lone edge Jun 10, 2016, 9:08 PM

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yeah i think it could look nicer with a background of some sort, also do we have a list of things in this update?

south spindle Jun 10, 2016, 9:14 PM

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Just a "Change log pending"

feral reef Jun 10, 2016, 9:16 PM

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Oh boy, i like the water/Lighting
http://i.imgur.com/HJF17eW.jpg

lone edge Jun 10, 2016, 9:40 PM

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nice

red violet Jun 10, 2016, 10:54 PM

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why can't the Apex coop campaign support more than 4 players

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seems a bit small to me

fossil ermine Jun 10, 2016, 11:01 PM

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wanna bet there will be 4 main protagonists, just like with A2?

ashen stratus Jun 10, 2016, 11:03 PM

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wanna have a nam campaign eh? big jungle....lots of people fighting (probably) some native force, yeah it would be a bit frustrating.

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by the way, do we know who the enemy is in this campaign?

acoustic pendant Jun 10, 2016, 11:03 PM

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Changelog no longer pending. Phew.

red violet Jun 10, 2016, 11:03 PM

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Syndikat

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criminal organization

ashen stratus Jun 10, 2016, 11:04 PM

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really?

red violet Jun 10, 2016, 11:04 PM

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https://arma3.com/apex

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they have AKs, scary

ashen stratus Jun 10, 2016, 11:05 PM

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yeah, a well armed army going up against a couple of crime lords and their friends with AK's

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what could go wrong

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I like the idea of an under barrel car-fucker attachment

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hope they do more with that

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kinda like beowulf rounds

frosty smelt Jun 11, 2016, 12:17 AM

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they don't have armor

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good

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we can actually use 5.56 against them :^)

storm blade Jun 11, 2016, 12:30 AM

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"1:40 PM] Lappihuan: just to proove you wrong, the roadway lod is for infantry only, a tank ignores the roadway lod, it needs ageometry lod with mass to drive over a object..."

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mmmkay

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🤗 ^

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i guess i am wrong then

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you can climb all the stuff

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evidently

lone edge Jun 11, 2016, 1:38 AM

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immagine if they put climbing walls and obstacles in like that mod

dreamy marsh Jun 11, 2016, 1:58 AM

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Death

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Death everywhere

bitter widget Jun 11, 2016, 2:03 AM

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any word on a secondary APEX terrain (ala Zargabad/Desert in OA)?

median plover Jun 11, 2016, 2:52 AM

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If there is one, it's not even on Dev Branch

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So not likely

frosty smelt Jun 11, 2016, 3:32 AM

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lmao guys

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http://imgur.com/cwSkxx8

solid cipher Jun 11, 2016, 3:34 AM

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what's the wonky line?

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bullet path?

frosty smelt Jun 11, 2016, 3:35 AM

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yeah

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hit 3 with one shot

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lmao

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had no idea that was possible

solid cipher Jun 11, 2016, 3:50 AM

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lol, that's one helluva shot

frosty smelt Jun 11, 2016, 8:01 AM

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Wish Apex had standalone GLs

finite relic Jun 11, 2016, 8:36 AM

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CUP does.

limpid kindle Jun 11, 2016, 9:34 AM

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would love a official desert location map from bi

unreal zinc Jun 11, 2016, 9:41 AM

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There's one.

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It's called Takistan.

limpid kindle Jun 11, 2016, 9:45 AM

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sorry i meant for arma 3

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but yes takistan arma 2 map converted is good thou

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or something like beirut or falluja

fossil ermine Jun 11, 2016, 9:46 AM

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aren't you lads bored of desert maps already?

slender pebble Jun 11, 2016, 9:47 AM

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they probably haven't played A2

limpid kindle Jun 11, 2016, 9:47 AM

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yeh but i mean for arma 3

slender pebble Jun 11, 2016, 9:47 AM

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I'm wanting a high quality, large snow or arctic map

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it could be interesting

fossil ermine Jun 11, 2016, 9:47 AM

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why would bi do a desert map?

limpid kindle Jun 11, 2016, 9:48 AM

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i dont mean just plain desert and nothing else

fossil ermine Jun 11, 2016, 9:48 AM

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i know what you mean

limpid kindle Jun 11, 2016, 9:48 AM

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i meant like beirut or falluja really

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there great in project reality, but would be great to see on arma 3 engine

fossil ermine Jun 11, 2016, 9:49 AM

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you mean squad

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or a2 maps?

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for arma pr?

limpid kindle Jun 11, 2016, 9:50 AM

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well i play squad also, but i mean bf2 project reality

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but squad is doing falluja somewhen

fossil ermine Jun 11, 2016, 9:50 AM

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you have arma3 tools, why don't do it yourself then

limpid kindle Jun 11, 2016, 9:52 AM

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would not know where to start, question, i do have arma 2 actually, only played it for like a hour, then i bought arma 3, is it worth me putting time into arma 2 or just staying with arma 3 now

mellow osprey Jun 11, 2016, 9:53 AM

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What I really want is dynamic maps, where based on the date that you choose, it could be winter (with snow & snowing effect) through to summer.

slender pebble Jun 11, 2016, 9:53 AM

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not possible

mellow osprey Jun 11, 2016, 9:54 AM

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Yes, I know, not in this engine.

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Unless they want to make maps for each phase of the year.

solid cipher Jun 11, 2016, 10:05 AM

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there's slight temp. differences though

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say, in editor, set the date to somewhere in summer

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take a drone and put on FLIR vision

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terrain should be detailed

slender pebble Jun 11, 2016, 10:06 AM

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it's already the case

solid cipher Jun 11, 2016, 10:06 AM

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whilst if it's in a colder season, terrain's less detailed

slender pebble Jun 11, 2016, 10:06 AM

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fences show hot in FLIR in summer

solid cipher Jun 11, 2016, 10:06 AM

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just that there's no snow...

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does it snow in altis IRL?

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woah

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it does snow

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snowy missions would be nice

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swapping to winter camo and all

unreal rivet Jun 11, 2016, 10:09 AM

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there are winter versions of some terrains on armaholic

solid cipher Jun 11, 2016, 10:09 AM

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yeah, but not the official terrains though

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is it possible

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to host an arma server AND log in to it with the same steam account

slender pebble Jun 11, 2016, 10:10 AM

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yes it is

solid cipher Jun 11, 2016, 10:10 AM

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nice

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looks like i'll save a couple bucks then

slender pebble Jun 11, 2016, 10:10 AM

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I self host my dedicated and my client when I do MP tests

solid cipher Jun 11, 2016, 10:10 AM

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cause all i wanna do after exams is to practise coding missions

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also, what are the etiquettes in crediting people?

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like, if i use snippets of code or derivations of snippets from KK's blog

mellow osprey Jun 11, 2016, 10:11 AM

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{name} - {contribution}

solid cipher Jun 11, 2016, 10:11 AM

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aight

unreal rivet Jun 11, 2016, 10:11 AM

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ask before you use thier stuff, credit them when you do use thier stuff + any other requirements form using thier stuff

solid cipher Jun 11, 2016, 10:11 AM

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i'll keep that in mind xD

unreal rivet Jun 11, 2016, 10:13 AM

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it really depends on the licencing that comes with whatever you are using, if no licence is there - the most restrictive licence applies, hense it is always better to ask before taking

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that way you can be sure from the offset

solid cipher Jun 11, 2016, 10:13 AM

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true

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i'll mostly to having a look at wasteland/arma life pbos

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to figure out how mySQL works

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i literally know nothing about it

unreal rivet Jun 11, 2016, 10:14 AM

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you'd be better looking at mysql docu's

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to figure out how mysql works

solid cipher Jun 11, 2016, 10:14 AM

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haha good point

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time for more googling

frosty smelt Jun 11, 2016, 10:18 AM

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" CSAT in MY South Pacific? It's more likely than you think"

solid cipher Jun 11, 2016, 10:31 AM

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iwo jima intensifies

frosty smelt Jun 11, 2016, 10:44 AM

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shit i just had an idea

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Since Apex is adding civillian prop planes

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How about a modern equivalent of the An-2?

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STOL cargo/passenger prop plane

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although that far in the future they might as well already have civillian VTOLs lmao

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although a regular prop plane would be easier to maintain and fly

mellow osprey Jun 11, 2016, 10:49 AM

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And it wouldn't cost $100M to buy, thats a nice selling point to a civilian too.

frosty smelt Jun 11, 2016, 10:49 AM

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yeah

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I really like that Tanoa has a lot more paved airfields

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good for pvp scenarios

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instead of "one side gets the airport and the other gets a shitty dirt or grass one"

mellow osprey Jun 11, 2016, 10:51 AM

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More than one side can actually have a damn staging point

frosty smelt Jun 11, 2016, 10:51 AM

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I like that "base" near the volcano radar base

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under construction so it's empty and you can place whatever you want

near sun Jun 11, 2016, 11:35 AM

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Hello

solid cipher Jun 11, 2016, 11:36 AM

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o/

near sun Jun 11, 2016, 11:40 AM

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I'm sorry Maple, but I am not up-to-date with all the internet symbols you guys use. What is that?

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Oh... high five

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Well nevertheless, I said Hello like a proper human being... go high five one of your dirty hood rats

fossil ermine Jun 11, 2016, 11:42 AM

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trololol

urban sluice Jun 11, 2016, 11:42 AM

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wtf lol

near sun Jun 11, 2016, 11:44 AM

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Jebbie, I had the impression that the lot of you were familiar with my linguistic demeanor... your.. What the Fuck is ...dare I say... pointless

cerulean trellis Jun 11, 2016, 11:44 AM

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hello maio we are all proper human beings in here noone is a robot you can be assured

near sun Jun 11, 2016, 11:45 AM

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Who is up for a Tanoa exploration mission tonight?

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I played by my lonesome and got one or two rounds of MP, but I yearn the company of others...

fossil ermine Jun 11, 2016, 11:50 AM

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i thought maio had internet's proper human beings "friends"

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seems i was wrong

near sun Jun 11, 2016, 11:50 AM

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I will allow you to finish your idea before I retort

unique haven Jun 11, 2016, 11:50 AM

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I did a 1h walk (yes I really walked) in Tanoa forest in a thunderstorm. Put myself in a random place, didn't check the map and walked in the forest sometimes along some paths. Very cool experience

near sun Jun 11, 2016, 11:53 AM

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Well, my clearly gifted, yet still needy euro-trash friend.... I must inform you that I, Maio, do have friends...both real and imaginary (internet friends), but out of the ones who own a MP compatible [Wink] [Wink] version of Arma 3, either none own Apex, or are being little hipsters and don't want to play it until the final version is out...

cerulean trellis Jun 11, 2016, 11:55 AM

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youre a very precious gem

fossil ermine Jun 11, 2016, 11:55 AM

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ohhh, a bit sad then, understandable though

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gem is an overstatement

near sun Jun 11, 2016, 11:55 AM

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that or/and our schedules do not match

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changing it to understatement and feeding me ego would have been appreciated... by I fear the time for that has passed

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Well you see, when you were typing you gave me the false hope of a MP session, but I guess you are all heartless

frosty smelt Jun 11, 2016, 12:17 PM

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😉

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I have apex but I'm probably gonna pass out soon

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but before i do

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are there any good firing range missions with moving targets?

frozen wharf Jun 11, 2016, 12:38 PM

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I would love to see a drivable train in tanoa, would set up some scenarios like "Take this payload across the island and ride on the wagon defending this bomb, or cargo crate, or weapons crate, or nuke, or etc and don't let the enemy get control of it"

solid cipher Jun 11, 2016, 12:44 PM

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lol

finite relic Jun 11, 2016, 12:44 PM

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Hey, Ho, Maio (Let's Go)

solid cipher Jun 11, 2016, 12:44 PM

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reminds me of teamfortress 2

frozen wharf Jun 11, 2016, 12:45 PM

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you've seen the train in one of the tanoa pictures yes?

solid cipher Jun 11, 2016, 12:45 PM

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the gamemode was actually called payload as well xD

mellow osprey Jun 11, 2016, 12:46 PM

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Trains have been done https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f4VhG-vOg9E

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Though if I remember correctly it was all of the work was done by a DLL extension.

frosty smelt Jun 11, 2016, 1:03 PM

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while it would be kinda goofy

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a payload-esque mission would be interesting in arma

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as instead of trying to mob the payload

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you'd have to take up positions to cover the payload while not exposing yourself to fire

mellow osprey Jun 11, 2016, 1:03 PM

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Well, extracting a VIP is something like that.

frosty smelt Jun 11, 2016, 1:04 PM

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ah, true

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defending some of the villages on Tanoa is going to be quite interesting

near sun Jun 11, 2016, 1:12 PM

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Me and my group used to play an ambulance escort mission in Arrowhead... great fun

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and with the addition of unarmored LSV's... boy oh boy 😄

finite relic Jun 11, 2016, 1:15 PM

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I've always enjoyed non-standard missions like that. Random encounters tend to be more fun.

mental drum Jun 11, 2016, 2:26 PM

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is apex going to be basically necessary for clan play?

near sun Jun 11, 2016, 2:30 PM

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Why would it be?

sweet axle Jun 11, 2016, 2:40 PM

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Only if your clan's leadership decides to play missions on Tanoa

opal nacelle Jun 11, 2016, 3:00 PM

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@limpid kindle would love a official desert location map from bi
@unreal zinc There's one. It's called Takistan.
From what I understand this is more or less why they didn't do one for A3 :P
@slender pebble A "Nordic" terrain prototype was in the running for Apex, too bad it lost in a majority vote by the devs to South Pacific

patent jackal Jun 11, 2016, 3:01 PM

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I don't think that's too bad. We'll get a Nordic terrain eventually. We've never had an official jungle.

opal nacelle Jun 11, 2016, 3:01 PM

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Well, non-Sahrani-style jungle that is ^^^

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@mental drum Yeah this isn't like A2 where OA essentially had exclusive features/scripting that made it the new A2 client and original A2 basically a content pack for OA, thanks to Steam DLC if there's new features/scripting coming they're coming to the base game.

patent jackal Jun 11, 2016, 3:02 PM

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I wasn't around for Sahrani, but I've played it on CUP and I don't remember a Jungle.

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I haven't spent much time on it, is all.

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My community hasn't even started an Altis campaign yet, so it'll be a long while before we hit Tanoa, but once those are both done, we are going to run the CUP Terrain gauntlet.

opal nacelle Jun 11, 2016, 3:05 PM

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I think you'll enjoy it... not least because Sahrani is the only Bohemia terrain for which they released unbinarized source, hence SMD Sahrani basically being the only of its kind, despite all the good stuff as the CUP team has been able to do with the other terrains (Disclosure: I am a one-time CUP contributor)

patent jackal Jun 11, 2016, 3:09 PM

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What does having the unbinarized source do for the terrain?

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I've been considering building a terrain, myself. However, if I did it, it would probably not appeal to most people, even if it was high quality, because there would likely be too much empty space for people. I want a map that is HUGE, with actual cities in it, but at the same time, I don't want to wreck performance, so we'd be seeing lots of forests and pastures to just kind of stretch the map out. However, my map would DEFINITELY have a decent river or two, even if it was done sorta hacky-like, just like an elongated ocean inlet or something.

median plover Jun 11, 2016, 3:31 PM

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I actually wouldn't mind a map with rivers on it, because the only way to cross would be at certain points, or with either a boat or amphibious vehicle.

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I mean, you could swim across, but lol.

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That's asking to be shot

patent jackal Jun 11, 2016, 3:34 PM

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@median plover, indeed. I'm thinking that if the map is large enough, it could have sister rivers, like the Tigris and Euphrates in Iraq.

limpid kindle Jun 11, 2016, 3:42 PM

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@opal nacelle Ah i see, thx

opal nacelle Jun 11, 2016, 3:51 PM

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@limpid kindle Back when Apex was first announced as the unnamed expansion they said that they were aiming for something totally different from Sahrani, Chernarus, and Takistan, so unfortunately 'desert map' was never in the running (as confirmed when a dev diary about the Tanoa reveal stated that the three prototypes in the running were Nordic, Australian arid, and South Pacific)

limpid kindle Jun 11, 2016, 3:53 PM

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Ok, well as long as the arma 2 maps have been converted for arma 3 im happy, would have just been nice with arma 3 graphics/features etc

opal nacelle Jun 11, 2016, 3:54 PM

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@patent jackal What does having the unbinarized source do for the terrain? My admittedly vague understanding is that it means more ability to customize the map; naturally the people associated with CUP Terrains would be able to describe in better detail than I am
@limpid kindle CUP Terrains 😃

limpid kindle Jun 11, 2016, 3:54 PM

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yeh will subscribe to all the CUP mods thx

finite relic Jun 11, 2016, 4:56 PM

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I know why , but it is my train of thought that Everyone should use CUP mods

median plover Jun 11, 2016, 4:57 PM

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I have CUP Maps in my rotation, but I don't know how I feel about the units yet

finite relic Jun 11, 2016, 4:58 PM

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I tend to use CUP units more so than vanilla. There's more variety there.

median plover Jun 11, 2016, 4:58 PM

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There is more variety, but I just feel like the weapons aren't quite up to the kind of quality I like

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which has nothing to do with CUP, and more that they're ports

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from A2

finite relic Jun 11, 2016, 4:59 PM

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Nothing stopping you from not using CUP weapons

median plover Jun 11, 2016, 5:01 PM

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Sure, but even in order to use CUP units without CUP weapons, you still would need weapons loaded, wouldn't you?

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Units is dependant on it

finite relic Jun 11, 2016, 5:01 PM

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No, they're a separate addon

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Hmm maybe, I'm not sure

median plover Jun 11, 2016, 5:01 PM

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Sure, but it's defined as a dependancy, so would the game pitch a fit?

finite relic Jun 11, 2016, 5:01 PM

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Tbh I always load everything

median plover Jun 11, 2016, 5:02 PM

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That's not so useful for building missions

finite relic Jun 11, 2016, 5:03 PM

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I have over 100GB of addons. I've not encountered an error by accidentally including a CUP addon. @gloomy nest would be your best best for those kind of questions.

median plover Jun 11, 2016, 5:04 PM

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I suppose I can just build custom loadouts in VA, so that I can make do with vanilla weapons, but leave CUP Weapons loaded.

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Would need weapons loaded if I wanted vehicles anyway

short plaza Jun 11, 2016, 5:05 PM

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you do need both mods for things to function properly. if so motivated, you could config patch CUP units to utilize different weapons i suppose. but meh, probably easier just to load it all and use what you want mission side.

finite relic Jun 11, 2016, 5:06 PM

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@short plaza, The Voice of Reason and Moderation 😉

frozen wharf Jun 11, 2016, 5:07 PM

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I honestly just wanna fly that sexy looking osprey. Looks really cool.

finite relic Jun 11, 2016, 5:07 PM

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Got an ice cold Trooper in the fridge for you @short plaza 🍻

short plaza Jun 11, 2016, 5:07 PM

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haha, im going to need about a dozen of those by this evening i think

median plover Jun 11, 2016, 5:08 PM

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I actually can't wait for Apex to drop, because it means more vehicles with vanilla aesthetics.

finite relic Jun 11, 2016, 5:09 PM

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It has promise

gloomy nest Jun 11, 2016, 5:09 PM

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CUP addons are chained together

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weapons is base and can run alone

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units relies on weapons

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vehicles relies on units (and consequently weapons)

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terrains is its own thing

short plaza Jun 11, 2016, 5:10 PM

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good news is, the game isn't going anywhere anytime soon. we won't ever have everything we want, but we can act like we will for the next decade. tis all good.

finite relic Jun 11, 2016, 5:10 PM

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Good thing I invoked the CUP gods!

gloomy nest Jun 11, 2016, 5:10 PM

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then there's the ace compat that requires ace of course, and then weapons only or weapons and vehicles combined if you leave all the pbos

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😃

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i usually dont check arma channels, so yeah, good choice 😛

median plover Jun 11, 2016, 5:12 PM

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Yeah, thanks for dropping in.

finite relic Jun 11, 2016, 5:13 PM

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When in doubt, ask the experts

short plaza Jun 11, 2016, 5:13 PM

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or read the manual.

finite relic Jun 11, 2016, 5:13 PM

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There's a manual? 😉

short plaza Jun 11, 2016, 5:13 PM

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lol i know right, i was shocked.

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took me about 3yrs 😐

finite relic Jun 11, 2016, 5:14 PM

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I'm old and wise, but far from an expert.

feral reef Jun 11, 2016, 5:14 PM

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old

south spindle Jun 11, 2016, 5:14 PM

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lol I've never seen the keyboard cutout part

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https://gyazo.com/699b3f0b600ff3f46985ee3c018e331c

feral reef Jun 11, 2016, 5:15 PM

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?

south spindle Jun 11, 2016, 5:15 PM

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That's in the arma3_keyboard_layout.pdf

feral reef Jun 11, 2016, 5:15 PM

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what the?

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lol

short plaza Jun 11, 2016, 5:15 PM

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lol, thats a new one on me

median plover Jun 11, 2016, 5:16 PM

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I should print the PDF, lol. I never remember all the keys.

finite relic Jun 11, 2016, 5:16 PM

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I remember the old one. I also remember the Word Perfect 6.0 one too

onyx dragon Jun 11, 2016, 6:57 PM

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one thing is for sure... the people of tanoa have no fucking clue how dragon's teeth should be deployed 😄 https://abload.de/img/20160611185219_1m8jja.jpg

feral reef Jun 11, 2016, 6:59 PM

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what the f is that?

onyx dragon Jun 11, 2016, 7:00 PM

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obviously a tank barrier

near sun Jun 11, 2016, 7:00 PM

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Wrong, that is a nano weave cement foam ... near future man.. near future

patent jackal Jun 11, 2016, 7:00 PM

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@onyx dragon, it appears that they aren't using them to defend the front line. They are using them to build a sea wall.

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Like an erosion barrier.

feral reef Jun 11, 2016, 7:01 PM

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looks more like a Graveyard made by Giants who did hammerthrowing

onyx dragon Jun 11, 2016, 7:01 PM

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no shit DEL-J

feral reef Jun 11, 2016, 7:01 PM

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We gooottt a sherrlllooocccckkkkkkk

patent jackal Jun 11, 2016, 7:02 PM

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Do any of you happen to know how to kill a DISMISSED waypoint after a time and force a group to move on to their next waypoint, instead of DISMISSED being the straight up end of a group's usefulness?

median plover Jun 11, 2016, 7:18 PM

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As far as I know, it only completes on enemy contact

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Obviously, you can just switch to the next waypoint

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I think it's done with a switch trigger

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Not sure, don't have that much experience with waypoints and triggers yet

patent jackal Jun 11, 2016, 7:40 PM

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Switching to the next waypoint when units are in DISMISSED doesn't work as far as I've read. It's an end state, basically. Once DISMISSED units can only end that waypoint type when enemy contact is made with the simple commands, but I am sure there is an alternative for skilled scripters, but I'm not in that skilled scritper club.

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I think what I'll have to do is use a setwaypointstatements script to just fake the group being dismissed.

median plover Jun 11, 2016, 7:59 PM

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Did you try a JOIN waypoint?

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Anyway, good luck solving it.

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I'm off to work

patent jackal Jun 11, 2016, 8:07 PM

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Peace!

short plaza Jun 11, 2016, 8:09 PM

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@onyx dragon i couldn't believe the geo on those 👀
https://gyazo.com/ed21bf33b582533abd572371e48bce24

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it is rather well defined. which i guess is functinoal.

onyx dragon Jun 11, 2016, 9:13 PM

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it's like for those big rocks on Altis/Stratis- really simplified, but in the end the only efficient solution

mossy aspen Jun 11, 2016, 9:19 PM

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Hey guys, Zeusing in an op at the moment and Arma has queued lots of notifications pop-ups from a bug.

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Is there any code I can execute in Ares to disable them?

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As it's just repeating itself and I don't want to have to scrub the mission halfway through because of something stupid like this

south spindle Jun 11, 2016, 9:23 PM

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What kind of notifications? I don't know a lot about zeus

icy brook Jun 11, 2016, 9:25 PM

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no update today ?

south spindle Jun 11, 2016, 9:25 PM

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It's saturday...

icy brook Jun 11, 2016, 9:26 PM

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daily update ?

feral reef Jun 11, 2016, 9:26 PM

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Weekend != workday

icy brook Jun 11, 2016, 9:27 PM

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workday developer dont have free days

south spindle Jun 11, 2016, 9:27 PM

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lol

mighty anchor Jun 11, 2016, 9:33 PM

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Hey quick question, Is ArmA Apex an expansion?

unique haven Jun 11, 2016, 9:34 PM

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kind of. it's DLC expansion 😄

mighty anchor Jun 11, 2016, 9:34 PM

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like Arrowhead was

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Ah

unique haven Jun 11, 2016, 9:34 PM

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nope

slender pebble Jun 11, 2016, 9:34 PM

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it's a piece of software

unique haven Jun 11, 2016, 9:34 PM

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not like arrowhead so it's not standalone or anything. basically it's DLC

mighty anchor Jun 11, 2016, 9:34 PM

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oh ok

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I only played Benny CTI in Arma 2 and Arma 3, What modes would you recommend I try out?

acoustic pendant Jun 11, 2016, 9:40 PM

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So was Resistance a DLC because it wasn't standalone. 🤔

mighty anchor Jun 11, 2016, 9:41 PM

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Is it worth buying all the small DLC packs as well or just Tanoa

acoustic pendant Jun 11, 2016, 9:42 PM

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Depends on if you want to drive around in carts, fly in a few new helicopters or shoot some new guns.

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You can try them in Arsenal before you buy.

mighty anchor Jun 11, 2016, 9:43 PM

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I think I might get the helicopter one only. Those helicopters look quite usefull

near sun Jun 11, 2016, 9:43 PM

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At the end of the day, you have to look deep inside and ask yourself... What makes me happy? and then my friend... then you will know the right answer 😉

hollow scarab Jun 11, 2016, 9:44 PM

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anyone know if LRPS and MOS optics came with Marksmen DLC or not?

acoustic pendant Jun 11, 2016, 9:45 PM

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I don't think either requires DLC ownership. Base game SOS was renamed to MOS if I remember correctly when marksman came.

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LRPS was added around that time as well.

hollow scarab Jun 11, 2016, 9:47 PM

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ah I had to unpack ... apparently only AMS and KHS came with Mark DLC

sweet axle Jun 11, 2016, 9:56 PM

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LRPS came when the GM6 and M320 were added in Beta IIRC. But year, the MOS was renamed from the SOS that has been in since Alpha

hollow scarab Jun 11, 2016, 9:57 PM

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sure thanks...just trying to avoid adding Mark DLC stuff to config of the mod...dont want people to get popups...it may not for optics but ehh dont know really

alpine robin Jun 11, 2016, 10:41 PM

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you can dump the list of all DLC items with:
"isText (_x >> ""dlc"")" configClasses (configFile >> "CfgWeapons") apply {diag_log configName _x};

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reports: https://gist.github.com/commy2/5cc59da956ab15b4ae2ed23c3bce8fcc

Gist

banned.sqf

twilit oar Jun 11, 2016, 11:02 PM

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I updated Bornholm to the 1.60 lighting update, so no more black skies - if anyone is interested http://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=701962107

feral reef Jun 11, 2016, 11:13 PM

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You should read the Steam Policy

hollow scarab Jun 11, 2016, 11:14 PM

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yeah take that down before someone else takes it down for you..
thanks for gist @alpine robin ^

finite relic Jun 11, 2016, 11:19 PM

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@feral reef & @hollow scarab Defenders of the Faith 🤘🏻

hollow scarab Jun 11, 2016, 11:20 PM

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I am now not sure do you have permission @twilit oar ?

twilit oar Jun 11, 2016, 11:20 PM

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https://www.bistudio.com/community/licenses/arma-public-license-share-alike

feral reef Jun 11, 2016, 11:20 PM

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Its NOT Steam

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ffs... READ IT

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Its not Content that YOU created

twilit oar Jun 11, 2016, 11:21 PM

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that was in response to Jastreb

feral reef Jun 11, 2016, 11:21 PM

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I dont care

hollow scarab Jun 11, 2016, 11:33 PM

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For developers and terrain makers: The source files for the terrain, the textures, the models and the config files. Everything you need to continue developing this terrain. Unfortunately I don't have a lot of time to commit and continue my self, so here's the chance for you guys to keep working on it if you like.
Two things to note! 1) Always keep it under the Arma Share alike license. 2) Please don't dilute the terrain by making several different variations. Instead try to help each other so there's almost only one version out there. End players don't want to have a evening ruined by having downloaded different versions, so please respect this.
Bornholm for Arma 3 Arma Source Files
``` well technically developer published source and gave permission to edit it and keep under APL SA, not sure there if there are any conflicts with Steam if that is the case. Steam UGC licence has nothing to do with APL SA and vice versa, so perhaps @vale valley can shed some light here

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http://www.armaholic.com/page.php?id=27056

feral reef Jun 11, 2016, 11:43 PM

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Steam


You represent and warrant to us that you have sufficient rights in all User Generated Content to grant Valve and other affected parties the licenses described under A. and B. above or in any license terms specific to the applicable Workshop-Enabled App or Workshop page. This includes, without limitation, any kind of intellectual property rights or other proprietary or personal rights affected by or included in the User Generated Content. In particular, with respect to Workshop Contributions, you represent and warrant that the Workshop Contribution was originally created by you (or, with respect to a Workshop Contribution to which others contributed besides you, by you and the other contributors, and in such case that you have the right to submit such Workshop Contribution on behalf of those other contributors).```

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@hollow scarab Thats the binarized Version. The link to the SourceFiles is from MY Server ( " Bornholm for Arma 3 Arma Source Files " -- ftp://AW_Pub@89.163.145.113/ES.rar), since Egil Sandfeld let his Source ran out (or whatever)

twilit oar Jun 11, 2016, 11:49 PM

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https://forums.bistudio.com/topic/174278-bornholm-denmark-terrain/

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I got it from here, a google drive link

feral reef Jun 11, 2016, 11:50 PM

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Sure?

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That link is down since... long long time ago.

twilit oar Jun 11, 2016, 11:51 PM

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http://i.imgur.com/1prj2tV.png

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positive, just tried again right now

short plaza Jun 11, 2016, 11:53 PM

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#shrug

feral reef Jun 11, 2016, 11:54 PM

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http://i.imgur.com/fE7wvfe.jpg

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Doesn't work for me.

cunning gyro Jun 11, 2016, 11:54 PM

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press download?

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than you download it

feral reef Jun 11, 2016, 11:54 PM

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nope

short plaza Jun 11, 2016, 11:54 PM

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unless original author revoked source things and/or requested it not be further distributed. i'd have to think it's within the realm of reasonable.

feral reef Jun 11, 2016, 11:54 PM

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AH, now. Took a while

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Still: Its not HIS Work.

short plaza Jun 11, 2016, 11:55 PM

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that is correct. however Steams expectation is that you have proper rights to distribute if not yours.

feral reef Jun 11, 2016, 11:55 PM

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And thats not given.

twilit oar Jun 11, 2016, 11:55 PM

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would being open source under the sharealike fit under "right to submit such Workshop Contribution on behalf of those other contributors"

feral reef Jun 11, 2016, 11:56 PM

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nope

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This includes, without limitation, any kind of intellectual property rights or other proprietary or personal rights affected by or included in the User Generated Content.

short plaza Jun 11, 2016, 11:59 PM

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sure, but if the creator/owner, explicitly releases the source, so that others may continue to build on it. what IP exactly is being affected?

feral reef Jun 12, 2016, 12:01 AM

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afaik, its still his IP

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In particular, with respect to Workshop Contributions, you represent and warrant that the Workshop Contribution was originally created by you (or, with respect to a Workshop Contribution to which others contributed besides you, by you and the other contributors, and in such case that you have the right to submit such Workshop Contribution on behalf of those other contributors).

short plaza Jun 12, 2016, 12:03 AM

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i dont know* where that applies if it was never submitted to the workshop. i understand the point you are trying to make though. clarification would be nice.

twilit oar Jun 12, 2016, 12:05 AM

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Well if something comes up I can deal with it then. Does steam handle takedowns or does @vale valley or someone from BI since its their game/workshop? If so I can speak with them. Hopefully it will not be an issue.

short plaza Jun 12, 2016, 12:05 AM

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@twilit oar dont think you're trying to be malicious or anything. clarification from BIS would be nice though.

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personally if i released source files, and said go and do, then you can go and do. if i dont want it on SW i should state that. as it seems counter to the whole, 'go and do' theme.

twilit oar Jun 12, 2016, 12:06 AM

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I'm not, just took time to update it. Credits to Egil, its stated that he created it all over the workshop as well.

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What I don't want to happen is for it to get taken down and people to have their servers effected because of it or something

short plaza Jun 12, 2016, 12:09 AM

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aye, thats fair

feral reef Jun 12, 2016, 12:10 AM

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It still doesn't change the fact, that you are not the Creator. But hey, gl.

short plaza Jun 12, 2016, 12:14 AM

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i guess my point is that, if the original content creator releases source files 'with intent' for others to modify that source and redistribute it, that is in effect a transfer of IP (which is not getting into uber legal details). in which case, the new content creator, could viewed as 'original creator' of the modified content.

feral reef Jun 12, 2016, 12:15 AM

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Original Creator -> Still Egil Sanfeld

short plaza Jun 12, 2016, 12:15 AM

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which is very different than most of the other conversaions about these things.

feral reef Jun 12, 2016, 12:16 AM

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Otherwise, other could make some changes to any addon and claim it as their IP (when the Source was open-sourced)

short plaza Jun 12, 2016, 12:19 AM

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so what you are saying is if i make a whole set of heavy weapons for the community, i can't release the source files to that, and let people share them however they please? because im the original author?

feral reef Jun 12, 2016, 12:19 AM

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I am talking about STEAM Hatchy

short plaza Jun 12, 2016, 12:19 AM

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so am i

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it's a method of distribution.

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if on dev or maybe even lastest stable (?) ctrl-O still opens the 2d editor.

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with the editor menu open

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dont know if it still does all of its normal foo

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👍

noble bronze Jun 12, 2016, 3:06 AM

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did the takistan mountains terrain come with the ACR DLC???

short plaza Jun 12, 2016, 3:09 AM

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ermm no that was the two cherno based maps wasn't it?

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Takistan was OA

opal nacelle Jun 12, 2016, 3:10 AM

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@short plaza You're thinking of Bystrica and Bukovina

short plaza Jun 12, 2016, 3:10 AM

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yeah those two

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pretty sure they were ACR

noble bronze Jun 12, 2016, 3:13 AM

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did PMC/BAF come with any terrains? or just use the existing ones from OA?

short plaza Jun 12, 2016, 3:13 AM

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pmc had the goofy hole in the ground map

noble bronze Jun 12, 2016, 3:14 AM

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proving grounds right?

short plaza Jun 12, 2016, 3:14 AM

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BAF was shapur and.. maybe another 😐

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yes proving grounds

noble bronze Jun 12, 2016, 3:14 AM

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Yeah, ok, and Shapur for BAF

short plaza Jun 12, 2016, 3:14 AM

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desert map that was dinky i think it was

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not even a map really..

noble bronze Jun 12, 2016, 3:14 AM

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yeah infinite terrain, but I Think that came with OA

short plaza Jun 12, 2016, 3:15 AM

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yeah, not sure on that one

opal nacelle Jun 12, 2016, 3:15 AM

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The Lite DLC method really confuses this question for me

noble bronze Jun 12, 2016, 3:15 AM

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Well, I think at a certain point, they started including the DLC terrains with OA and lite textures for all the assets

short plaza Jun 12, 2016, 3:16 AM

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BAF

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which i guess made senes in the overall scheme of things.

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lest there be riots because people couldn't play together.

noble bronze Jun 12, 2016, 3:16 AM

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I just deleted everything from steam and re-installed just OA and get this:
http://puu.sh/ppxCT/7bb71bcbba.jpg

short plaza Jun 12, 2016, 3:17 AM

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that is correct if you own it all

noble bronze Jun 12, 2016, 3:17 AM

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it's Proving grounds, Shapur, takistan, zargabad, and desert. No ACR stuff, and I haven't run the installs for PMC ACR or BAF yet

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the PMC and BAF missions are all shown though... which I guess is a result of the lite full install

short plaza Jun 12, 2016, 3:18 AM

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indeed

noble bronze Jun 12, 2016, 3:18 AM

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weird that they never bothered to do that for acr

short plaza Jun 12, 2016, 3:18 AM

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sales?

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lol

noble bronze Jun 12, 2016, 3:18 AM

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I think it's bundled with it now? for free

short plaza Jun 12, 2016, 3:19 AM

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not really sure honestly

noble bronze Jun 12, 2016, 3:19 AM

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the full version, you just select to run hte install and it gets installed, you still have to pay for the PMC and BAF dlc's

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which is because of DayZ lol...

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they still sell copies of it, since DayZ mods all use the models, so if you don't have the DLC's they look 8bit

short plaza Jun 12, 2016, 3:20 AM

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can't really blame them

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i do find it humorous

noble bronze Jun 12, 2016, 3:21 AM

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Well, what's funny about it, is it's the original DayZ mod that really introduced that, and it was SURELY for Rocket to use as a bargaining chip in negotiations...

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because there was NO other reason for the DLC's to be flying off the shelf at that point other than people playing dayz wanting the hi res textures

short plaza Jun 12, 2016, 3:21 AM

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lol

noble bronze Jun 12, 2016, 3:22 AM

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I'd put money on him still getting a cut of sales from A2/OA + DLC's

short plaza Jun 12, 2016, 3:23 AM

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one would hope there was compensation for doings

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not every day you get a free insta revive of an older title.

noble bronze Jun 12, 2016, 3:24 AM

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yeah for sure, totally well deserved

opal nacelle Jun 12, 2016, 3:27 AM

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@short plaza not every day you get a free insta revive of an older title. Albeit one which so blindsided the company that they probably lost time (that could have been spent utilizing it) just comprehending it

noble bronze Jun 12, 2016, 3:27 AM

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They didn't have a clear understanding of what they had until they released the 1st iteration of SA

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which is sad, they should have seen that as a multimillion selling title in june of 2012

short plaza Jun 12, 2016, 3:28 AM

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well, im sure they learned a lot through the whole process. i dont think they fared too poorly at the end of day.

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granted

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does not DayZ

noble bronze Jun 12, 2016, 3:30 AM

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Yeah for sure, and what's nuts, is, they're likely going to have a similar enormous uptick in sales of DayZ SA when it actually gets solid

opal nacelle Jun 12, 2016, 3:30 AM

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@short plaza well, im sure they learned a lot through the whole process by their own admission this was the case

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@noble bronze On the other hand, they've claimed that contrary to common misconception, the standalone's budget was already set internally and not simply increased because of standalone initial sales windfall giving them more money to pump into it

noble bronze Jun 12, 2016, 3:32 AM

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I don't think that's true, or even publicly stated is it? They entirely changed the scope of the project after the sales

short plaza Jun 12, 2016, 3:32 AM

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yeah, seemed like there was an effort to do more in a big way honestly.

noble bronze Jun 12, 2016, 3:33 AM

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Like, I know for a fact they had a huge pile of work finished for addition to the originally planned game which all got dumped because they entirely changed scope after release

opal nacelle Jun 12, 2016, 3:33 AM

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@noble bronze They did claim this

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At least on Twitter

noble bronze Jun 12, 2016, 3:34 AM

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Well, they're not known for the honesty or realism of their public statements lol... I don't believe that for a second.

opal nacelle Jun 12, 2016, 3:34 AM

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Here's the most recent iteration thereof: https://twitter.com/bohemiainteract/status/737333799768477697

noble bronze Jun 12, 2016, 3:34 AM

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I was still in the DayZ Mod Dev channel at the time it got released and leading up to it

opal nacelle Jun 12, 2016, 3:35 AM

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Then again: https://twitter.com/bohemiainteract/status/737332723401003008
"As you may have noticed, we learned our lesson and we no longer provide any dates or announce precise timelines."

noble bronze Jun 12, 2016, 3:36 AM

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lol, they were still providing timelines in march of 2016

opal nacelle Jun 12, 2016, 3:36 AM

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points to the date of the Tweet

noble bronze Jun 12, 2016, 3:37 AM

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took them a Looooong time to stop, I said 3-5 years in 2013 and got laughed at incesinty by anyone I said it to, except rocket, he acknowledged that was a realistic timeline for a new engine, but that wasn't the scope.

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Yeah, but the conversation we're having is about 2013, not 2 weeks ago

short plaza Jun 12, 2016, 3:38 AM

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^^ this is where i am at anyway

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😛

opal nacelle Jun 12, 2016, 3:39 AM

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@noble bronze he acknowledged that was a realistic timeline for a new engine, but that wasn't the scope. Then look what happened, haha...

noble bronze Jun 12, 2016, 3:40 AM

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I mean, they hired DOZENS of people after release of the game, and announced all the engine changes and possible PS4 port ALL after release... it's pretty hard to have budgeted all that prior

opal nacelle Jun 12, 2016, 3:40 AM

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@noble bronze Then again the flip side of that would be Arma 3 hitting 1.0 much earlier but look at how many people complain about stuff that 'should' have been in at 1.0

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Or rather, that being their response when said stuff is actually implemented

noble bronze Jun 12, 2016, 3:40 AM

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I said they should merge with enfusion in April 2013, no idea if that was an internal idea or not at that point.

opal nacelle Jun 12, 2016, 3:41 AM

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Me neither, but then I imagine there's still some NDA surrounding that period in both games' development/Rocket isn't talking

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And I confess that it felt a little too 'digging for dirt' to ask Matt Lightfoot that

noble bronze Jun 12, 2016, 3:42 AM

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no one even knew what TKOM was at that point, but I mean it's sort of the obvious path the whole franchise was taking at that point... so I don't doubt that it was the plan for A4 already...

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HAHAHHA, they never had me sign the NDA that all the other Community Devs did

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the skype chat was considered private, so I respect that, and don't ever say exactly what anyone said specifically...

opal nacelle Jun 12, 2016, 3:44 AM

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by "no one" I imagine you mean 'people who didn't work at BI'

noble bronze Jun 12, 2016, 3:44 AM

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Yeah, all the community dev folks in that chat.

opal nacelle Jun 12, 2016, 3:45 AM

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(I mean re: "no one even knew what TKOM was at that point" unless you meant that somehow it was secret even within BI)

noble bronze Jun 12, 2016, 3:45 AM

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There were all dayz folks, with not much knowledge of Arma at that time, Arma 3 wasn't out yet, and most were too involved in DayZ to look past and check out Arma much less the whole franchise

opal nacelle Jun 12, 2016, 3:47 AM

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ahhhhh 😃 thanks for clarifying what you meant

noble bronze Jun 12, 2016, 3:48 AM

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the TKOM intro to modding video, coupled with some chatter I heard in the old skype terrains channel made me think that it was either already planned, or would soon be to have the future of Arma/DayZ merged with enfusion.

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I mean, obv. that's why they bought the engine tech... so lol, not exactly encyclopedia brown over here

mighty anchor Jun 12, 2016, 3:51 AM

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How much was operation arrowhead initially?

noble bronze Jun 12, 2016, 3:51 AM

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29.99 I think?

mighty anchor Jun 12, 2016, 3:53 AM

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Neat

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Anyone here still play BECTI?

opal nacelle Jun 12, 2016, 3:55 AM

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@noble bronze Bought the engine tech? From who? Or do you mean taking advantage of their studio/asset acquisitions?
@mighty anchor I actually remember OA being US$39.99, which was a factor in why I didn't mind Apex pricing

noble bronze Jun 12, 2016, 3:57 AM

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Black Element Software, yeah the studio accusition, it was for the engine tech

mighty anchor Jun 12, 2016, 3:57 AM

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Neat. I think I'll have to wait for Apex then. I can't justify paying 30$ for it when I only play 1 gamemode and don't know what other modes to play

opal nacelle Jun 12, 2016, 3:58 AM

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Gotcha Nonov... and JordanGood I imagine you mean even with the 20% preorder discount? (US$28 versus US$35)

mighty anchor Jun 12, 2016, 3:58 AM

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Uh yeah

opal nacelle Jun 12, 2016, 4:00 AM

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Gotcha... the Quick Play functionality may help you get a taste of what else is out there

mighty anchor Jun 12, 2016, 4:03 AM

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Yeah I've tried a lot of things. My favorites were BECti and then domination. Other stuff like Wasteland and King Of the Hill just just arnt for me

noble bronze Jun 12, 2016, 4:06 AM

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So, the final answer is, YES, Takistan Mountains only installs with ACR dlc?? I just ran them all one by one.

finite relic Jun 12, 2016, 7:45 AM

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I forgot to thank @near sun last night for his guided tour of Southern Tanoa. It's nice to just explore and appreciate the terrain once and awhile!

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http://images.akamai.steamusercontent.com/ugc/485641161513916276/F8865C2BB04359C4F63365142E4DB7697FE34C3F/

short plaza Jun 12, 2016, 7:48 AM

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i have no shame in saying i love the map. as always, 'some things'. but they really did an excellent job with it.

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i've spent far too much time there already

finite relic Jun 12, 2016, 7:53 AM

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we literally just drove/walked around the map and had good conversation. Its nice to see someone else's insights on a common subject. Esp when they are as passionate about that thing (arma) as I am.

short plaza Jun 12, 2016, 7:55 AM

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i find myself going into the jungle looking for out croppings of rock i see from elsewhere. the amount of detail in the jungle is outstanding.

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still can't believe how dense it is

finite relic Jun 12, 2016, 7:56 AM

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we lost each other a few times and had to resort to firing in the air to locate each other.

short plaza Jun 12, 2016, 7:56 AM

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haha

finite relic Jun 12, 2016, 7:57 AM

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I had mentioned that if it was that easy to do when you're purposely following someone, imagine how easy it will be to get lost when constantly scanning for threats.

short plaza Jun 12, 2016, 7:58 AM

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well... now they have a built in thingie for that. 👀

finite relic Jun 12, 2016, 7:59 AM

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it only works for short distances

short plaza Jun 12, 2016, 8:00 AM

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i have not tried it lol. i personally prefer next to nothing on my screen.

finite relic Jun 12, 2016, 8:00 AM

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me too

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I only use STHUD because its part of Icebreakrs repo for his clan.

short plaza Jun 12, 2016, 8:01 AM

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we have it in our modset also, but it is optional. im good with optional.

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the paths, pretty awesome. the fact that AI navigate everything (on foot) so well is also awesome.

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some of terrain gets crazy steep. haven't seen one fall yet

finite relic Jun 12, 2016, 8:10 AM

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uploading some footage to YT at the min. Should be ready a bit later.

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not last nights footage, but from earlier in the week (still Tanoa)

short plaza Jun 12, 2016, 8:14 AM

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👍

finite relic Jun 12, 2016, 8:14 AM

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http://images.akamai.steamusercontent.com/ugc/485641161499130495/9EC7E5EE1433E59CB3D05D96647D07B4C6518D9C/

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This hill is an amazing vantage point

urban sluice Jun 12, 2016, 8:14 AM

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No ETA for Apex's launch yet?

finite relic Jun 12, 2016, 8:14 AM

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Its not even E3 yet...

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or is it?

urban sluice Jun 12, 2016, 8:14 AM

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It is

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At least, I think it is

finite relic Jun 12, 2016, 8:15 AM

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14th-16th

urban sluice Jun 12, 2016, 8:15 AM

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Okay, Soon

finite relic Jun 12, 2016, 8:15 AM

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so, I wouldnt expect to hear anything till then

urban sluice Jun 12, 2016, 8:15 AM

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We'll have the Apex Launch Date soon

finite relic Jun 12, 2016, 8:15 AM

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dont hold your breath

short plaza Jun 12, 2016, 8:16 AM

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where is that link to the real counter part?

urban sluice Jun 12, 2016, 8:16 AM

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How much you wanna bet "Apex will go live right now" will be said at E3?

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It's been done before by other companies

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And the Release Date IS in June

finite relic Jun 12, 2016, 8:16 AM

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We were supposed to have Game2 "Soon" as well

urban sluice Jun 12, 2016, 8:16 AM

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Game 2?

finite relic Jun 12, 2016, 8:16 AM

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OFP's successor

urban sluice Jun 12, 2016, 8:17 AM

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BIS, I'm sorry that Rocket took all the money and ran. Due to that, DayZ SA will probably never be finished.

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I was actually looking forward to the DayZ SA Singleplayer mode

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At least I have Ravage for that for the time being

finite relic Jun 12, 2016, 8:18 AM

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http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2014-04-29-screenshots-of-bohemias-abandoned-game-2

Eurogamer.net

Screenshots of Bohemia's abandoned Game 2

urban sluice Jun 12, 2016, 8:19 AM

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If they added hostile and friendly NPCs like Haleks did in Ravage and Kodobar did in the DayZ Singleplayer Mod, while keeping everything else the same, that would be amazing.

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Heck, even slightly randomized bandit/friendly camps

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That's why I'm playing Ravage on Chernarus

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Gets my DayZ Fix out without being DayZ

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Well, it's more a custom version of RoadZ

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AI Spawns have been bumped up(including Zombies), you start on the Nimitz, get to chose your gear, and get HALO Dropped into a position of your choosing. I also ramp up NPC Spawns at the Airfields and the big cities

finite relic Jun 12, 2016, 8:21 AM

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@short plaza link to what?

urban sluice Jun 12, 2016, 8:22 AM

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The AI don't have armed vehicles(M2 Browning HMGs in the Apocalyse? Really?) due to the fact that that would be extremely OP. Instead, they have more SOV HMMWV type vehicles. Driver Seat and multiple FFV Seats

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They also use the AK Series rifles.

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The only bonus I get by doing a HALO Jump in is that I get to choose my gear and "Spawn Point". I don't get any of the much needed Ravage Loot, so it makes it slightly more balanced. I also tend to take a Rifle that is only capable of Single Shot fire, plus a decent pistol. I don't take a large amount of Magazines.

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Umm, is it just me, or did a ton of assets from "Game 2" get updated and used in ArmA 2?

short plaza Jun 12, 2016, 8:27 AM

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@finite relic the google maps link to the real world location

urban sluice Jun 12, 2016, 8:27 AM

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And there's the XM-8, which was used in A2:PMC

finite relic Jun 12, 2016, 8:28 AM

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ah, let me see if I can find it. @urban sluice They probably saved what assets they could.

urban sluice Jun 12, 2016, 8:29 AM

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And that Map inspired Chernarus/Utes

finite relic Jun 12, 2016, 8:29 AM

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https://www.google.at/maps/place/Lihir+Island/@-3.092707,152.5821415,14548m/data=!3m1!1e3!4m5!3m4!1s0x68bc11a0b8dc84b9:0x81025f8a8ab3fa7b!8m2!3d-3.0896243!4d152.5678548

Google Maps

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^ Tanoa

short plaza Jun 12, 2016, 8:29 AM

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ah yes, sweet. thanks!

urban sluice Jun 12, 2016, 8:29 AM

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Being on the Dev Brach, Tanoa looks nothing like that

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Not even the main island

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There is one main island and several smaller islands around it

short plaza Jun 12, 2016, 8:30 AM

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no i think there was a different link

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it was almost a dead on match

urban sluice Jun 12, 2016, 8:30 AM

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Still, I do agree that Tanoa is one of the best maps that BIS has made

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I also love Chernarus

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Seeing as I live in the Desert, and love Woodland Environs, that would make sense why I love Chernarus and Tanoa

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TBH, on Altis, I kinda see where I live, even though I don't live in the Med

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I guess that's why I'm not a fan of Altis

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Too dry

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Kinda the same for Takistan, even though I'm not in the middle east either. Go far enough into the desert and you hit a similar environment

mellow osprey Jun 12, 2016, 8:35 AM

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Altis is too quiet.

finite relic Jun 12, 2016, 8:36 AM

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For me, it's about the believability factor. Chernarus didn't have the housing/industry to support the number of people that supposedly lived there. Altis was a bit more believable and now Tanoa as well.

urban sluice Jun 12, 2016, 8:36 AM

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Ugh... I need to find NIArms in my Steam Workshop directly and copy it to my A3 Dir

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Didn't have the housing/industry?

finite relic Jun 12, 2016, 8:38 AM

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If you look at the industrial/commercial base of Chernarus then extrapolate how many people it would take to run them, then look at how much housing was available, it doesn't add up.

mellow osprey Jun 12, 2016, 8:38 AM

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For the amount on industrial, there was little housing. Chernarus+ has made the map more belivable.

finite relic Jun 12, 2016, 8:38 AM

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@mellow osprey knew what I meant!

urban sluice Jun 12, 2016, 8:39 AM

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What about all the apartment buildings that we can't enter in the main cities?

finite relic Jun 12, 2016, 8:39 AM

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I actually counted houses once

urban sluice Jun 12, 2016, 8:39 AM

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Who knows how many rooms there are in there

finite relic Jun 12, 2016, 8:39 AM

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I counted them as well

urban sluice Jun 12, 2016, 8:39 AM

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Seeing as they're a former soviet state, they could have them packed in like tuna in a can

finite relic Jun 12, 2016, 8:39 AM

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Even if you put 5 to a room, you still didn't make the required amount.

urban sluice Jun 12, 2016, 8:40 AM

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How many people would Chernarus need? How many more housing places?

mellow osprey Jun 12, 2016, 8:40 AM

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Also, the amount of airfields is illogical.

urban sluice Jun 12, 2016, 8:40 AM

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Also, we should remember that people do live over their shops in the big cities

finite relic Jun 12, 2016, 8:41 AM

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And the numbers still didn't add up

urban sluice Jun 12, 2016, 8:41 AM

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What's the percentage for additional housing needed to keep up?

finite relic Jun 12, 2016, 8:41 AM

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If I can find my original spreadsheet I'll post it.

urban sluice Jun 12, 2016, 8:42 AM

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Roger

short plaza Jun 12, 2016, 8:42 AM

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lol

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details, details...

finite relic Jun 12, 2016, 8:42 AM

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It needed something like 5k iirc

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Total housing on Chernarus only supported something like 600

mellow osprey Jun 12, 2016, 8:42 AM

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I almost want to make the current chernarus in cities skylines and see how well it does.

short plaza Jun 12, 2016, 8:43 AM

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haha

urban sluice Jun 12, 2016, 8:43 AM

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Woah. ONLY 600? Yeah, that's tiny

short plaza Jun 12, 2016, 8:43 AM

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cant be that low

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there were a ton of houses

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are*

urban sluice Jun 12, 2016, 8:44 AM

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And all the apartment blocks

short plaza Jun 12, 2016, 8:44 AM

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enterable... ok yeah that is probable.

urban sluice Jun 12, 2016, 8:44 AM

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Plus the Hotel(is it really a Hotel? Or is it more housing?)

finite relic Jun 12, 2016, 8:44 AM

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We're going back to 2009, so my figures are probably off

short plaza Jun 12, 2016, 8:44 AM

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it's always been out of whack

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bar fallujah

urban sluice Jun 12, 2016, 8:45 AM

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Even Takistan was out of whack

short plaza Jun 12, 2016, 8:45 AM

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yeah, not sure what all those people did.

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needed a lot more drugs

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new map is very low also, for the larger cities

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just some more elevation access would be pro

mellow osprey Jun 12, 2016, 8:47 AM

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Tanoa can be off-set by tourism.

short plaza Jun 12, 2016, 8:47 AM

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i was hoping for a resort sort of like the ghost hotel scale

mellow osprey Jun 12, 2016, 8:48 AM

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There are a couple resorts around the map.

short plaza Jun 12, 2016, 8:49 AM

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i thought i saw something like that on the map

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i haven't ventured off the main island yet 😆

finite relic Jun 12, 2016, 8:49 AM

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Tano is very infantry friendly

short plaza Jun 12, 2016, 8:50 AM

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it's crazy fun/scary at night, with a little fog, mist rain and some lightening. just brilliant honestly.

finite relic Jun 12, 2016, 8:50 AM

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KYSdf1lkFB0&list=PLb_5D9DZHrDTZmWB9qIO3WgSgIgOpIKzO

YouTube

-FM-

Operation Jaguar Bite

▶ Play video

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That was with Icebreaker and his crew the other night

short plaza Jun 12, 2016, 8:51 AM

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cool, i will check that out over am coffee. i just realized it is the am currently.

finite relic Jun 12, 2016, 8:52 AM

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haha, almost 10 AM here now

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on my second cup

short plaza Jun 12, 2016, 8:52 AM

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im not that far behind 2am

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i'll wake up with the sun is the real issue..

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so be back in a few hours or so

urban sluice Jun 12, 2016, 8:53 AM

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Okay, need to make a Symbolic Link in my A3 Directory for a few mods. MGI Tactical Pack, all the CUP stuff...

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Stuff that needs to stay updated and I don't make Personal edits to. Key word being personal. Based on what I know of the licenses, if I make a personal edit to the mod, I'm not violating any license if I don't even let it get off my computer.

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Some mod authors may not like that, but I would never redistribute my edits.

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I change stuff like the mass of the everything, the carrying capacity of uniforms and packs...

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I don't play Multiplayer, so it's not an issue

finite relic Jun 12, 2016, 8:56 AM

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im not sure how the landscape has changed recently, but it used to be that even unpbo'ing (reverse engineering) someones work was a no-no.

urban sluice Jun 12, 2016, 8:57 AM

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I thought that was only for redistribution

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If it never leaves my computer...

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And the mod that I have released was solely my own work with the help of ZeeAlex

finite relic Jun 12, 2016, 8:58 AM

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i dont touch anyones work without written permission first.

urban sluice Jun 12, 2016, 8:59 AM

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Isn't that how a lot of people learn anyway? See the structure to know how the language is written? That's how I learn stuff

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Throw a book in front of me, or a Wiki, and I don't learn

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I have to see how the code is written, how it works, to be able to learn

finite relic Jun 12, 2016, 9:01 AM

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yes, but ask first. If youre told no, then dont do it.

urban sluice Jun 12, 2016, 9:01 AM

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And I feel like shit now because I've been breaking the golden rule for a while now. I thought it was okay.

finite relic Jun 12, 2016, 9:01 AM

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The Golden Rule is "ask"

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and get permission first

mellow osprey Jun 12, 2016, 9:03 AM

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I kinda agree, but at the same time, there is a big gap between learning from someone elses work and using someone elses work.

urban sluice Jun 12, 2016, 9:03 AM

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I'll admit I've been in the wrong. Based on my understanding of things, it's only when you plan to redistrubute from stuff or use their work in your own

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The mod I've released was written myself using sample code from BIS and the help of ZeeAlex

finite relic Jun 12, 2016, 9:04 AM

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I look at the number of people in this chat and know that a number of them wont be here in 12 months time. Ive been a member of the BI forum since 2006 (thats when I realised there was one), but had been playing OFP since day 1. In that time hundreds have been and gone from the community, mainly because of the toxicity caused by IP "issues".

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I'm the "wisened old man" sat in the corner.

urban sluice Jun 12, 2016, 9:05 AM

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I would never steal someone else's work and pass it off as my own. I would never use someone else's code in something that I make.

finite relic Jun 12, 2016, 9:05 AM

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I'm not saying that, I'm just saying ask.

urban sluice Jun 12, 2016, 9:05 AM

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Right

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I always keep a backup of the original PBOs

finite relic Jun 12, 2016, 9:06 AM

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Would you dig through your friends PC to see how he arranges his files?

mellow osprey Jun 12, 2016, 9:06 AM

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Thats private, mods and missions are public.

urban sluice Jun 12, 2016, 9:06 AM

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No, but that's different

mellow osprey Jun 12, 2016, 9:06 AM

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I get what you mean but its quite different.

urban sluice Jun 12, 2016, 9:06 AM

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And all file structures are the same

finite relic Jun 12, 2016, 9:06 AM

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yeah, bad example

urban sluice Jun 12, 2016, 9:06 AM

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For the language I mean

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People may use differing styles, but in the end, it's all the same

finite relic Jun 12, 2016, 9:10 AM

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well, I know of a certain addon maker whose flight configs are amazing and make planes fly like a dream. It's his config that he spent a very long time on to get "just right". All it took was for one person to unpbo it, post it to the forums and ask questions about it. This person never stole it, never repurposed it, never altered it. But he did unpbo the file without permission. additionally he posted it for all to see.

mellow osprey Jun 12, 2016, 9:10 AM

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he posted it for all to see.

urban sluice Jun 12, 2016, 9:10 AM

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I would never let anyone see the edits.

mellow osprey Jun 12, 2016, 9:10 AM

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That is where the problem lies.

urban sluice Jun 12, 2016, 9:11 AM

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That's the kicker

finite relic Jun 12, 2016, 9:11 AM

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the golden rule was broken when he opened the file

urban sluice Jun 12, 2016, 9:11 AM

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If no one even sees the code, that's not showing the person's code out in the wild

pseudo thistle Jun 12, 2016, 9:12 AM

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I think Lauren you are ok, if you never redistribute it, you are in some sort of grey zone

urban sluice Jun 12, 2016, 9:12 AM

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It's relatively iffy

pseudo thistle Jun 12, 2016, 9:12 AM

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but FM is also right technically you are not allowed to

urban sluice Jun 12, 2016, 9:12 AM

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And I agree with that

finite relic Jun 12, 2016, 9:13 AM

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its the " Dont be a Dick" zone. Asking nicely will get you further than just opening up someone elses work.

pseudo thistle Jun 12, 2016, 9:13 AM

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agreed

mellow osprey Jun 12, 2016, 9:13 AM

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Treat others as you expect to be treated and don't be a dick(head) is the best advice.

finite relic Jun 12, 2016, 9:13 AM

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yup

urban sluice Jun 12, 2016, 9:13 AM

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It really is a grey zone though. Release even a snipet of their code and you're fucked.

finite relic Jun 12, 2016, 9:14 AM

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with this knowledge you can go forth and be a good community member, lol

urban sluice Jun 12, 2016, 9:14 AM

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And if I released a large mod, which I don't plan to, I'd allow people to make personal edits without asking me first, so long as they don't redistribute it.

pseudo thistle Jun 12, 2016, 9:14 AM

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unlike others here who need vacation

urban sluice Jun 12, 2016, 9:14 AM

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Well, if I released a big mod

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Edited my above post.

unique haven Jun 12, 2016, 9:17 AM

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if someone would be pissed off that his mod .pbo was opened then he really shouldn't even release anything.

urban sluice Jun 12, 2016, 9:17 AM

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I guess I follow the more Open Source route

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I agree with St. Jimmy

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And there's a way to prevent that

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Binarize the PBO with a personal key so no one can open it

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Like Rocket did with the DayZ Mod, or the way EBOs are

mellow osprey Jun 12, 2016, 9:18 AM

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Certain people have already figured out EBOs.

urban sluice Jun 12, 2016, 9:18 AM

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Wait, what?

mellow osprey Jun 12, 2016, 9:18 AM

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Not my can of beans to spill 😛

urban sluice Jun 12, 2016, 9:18 AM

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Lemme guess. Hex Editor. The way the DayZ Mod was made into a custom singleplayer version

finite relic Jun 12, 2016, 9:19 AM

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possibly. But it defaults to honesty

unique haven Jun 12, 2016, 9:19 AM

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everything that's public will get opened somehow, no mater how much it's protected 😛

pseudo thistle Jun 12, 2016, 9:19 AM

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lol I will just leave this here

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http://imgur.com/VJInslt

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what a nonsense

urban sluice Jun 12, 2016, 9:19 AM

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What the fuck

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Is that an RP Server?

pseudo thistle Jun 12, 2016, 9:19 AM

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nope

urban sluice Jun 12, 2016, 9:19 AM

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What is it?

pseudo thistle Jun 12, 2016, 9:20 AM

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exile server

urban sluice Jun 12, 2016, 9:20 AM

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What the literal fuck

pseudo thistle Jun 12, 2016, 9:20 AM

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played on it yesterday, visited their site and had to register for the "shop"

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got suspicious

urban sluice Jun 12, 2016, 9:20 AM

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Heh, Sgt Kerry's favorite quote became one of my favorite.

mellow osprey Jun 12, 2016, 9:20 AM

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Kill it with fire.

finite relic Jun 12, 2016, 9:21 AM

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has it been reported?

pseudo thistle Jun 12, 2016, 9:21 AM

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dunno

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just found it

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I think they are using cup

urban sluice Jun 12, 2016, 9:21 AM

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Umm... I'd say we hit it with multiple 105mm Howitzers. Preferably DPICM rounds

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DPICM and WP

finite relic Jun 12, 2016, 9:22 AM

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post the link in #ip_rights_violations

pseudo thistle Jun 12, 2016, 9:22 AM

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omw

mellow osprey Jun 12, 2016, 9:22 AM

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Time to use a bit of that napalm budget.

pseudo thistle Jun 12, 2016, 9:23 AM

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yes they are using cup

finite relic Jun 12, 2016, 9:24 AM

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This one? http://www.ribbongaming.com/

Ribbon Gaming

Ribbon Gaming Project is an Open-world Exile mod for ArmA 3 video game military virtual survival experience. The action takes place in Chernarus.

pseudo thistle Jun 12, 2016, 9:25 AM

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y

mellow osprey Jun 12, 2016, 9:25 AM

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What a clusterfuck of a website.

pseudo thistle Jun 12, 2016, 9:26 AM

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other 2 option in the "shop" are respect points and poptabs

finite relic Jun 12, 2016, 9:26 AM

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Not on the list of approved monetisers either

pseudo thistle Jun 12, 2016, 9:26 AM

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disgusting

urban sluice Jun 12, 2016, 9:27 AM

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Battlestar, requesting Artillery Strike. Gun: 105mm Howitzer; Round type: DPICM; Count: 10; Grid Ref: 1023 2054. Additional rounds; Gun: 105mm Howitzer; Round Type: White Phosphorus; Count: 10; Grid Ref: 1023 2054; Fire 1 times HE for Adjust. Over

pseudo thistle Jun 12, 2016, 9:28 AM

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I think we will need a nuke

urban sluice Jun 12, 2016, 9:28 AM

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Eh, DPICM and WP should do the trick. All we need to do is annihilate the server location.

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And WP + DPICM should do that.

mellow osprey Jun 12, 2016, 9:29 AM

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"I Consent Not To Complain About Store Content In Advance." Adorable.

urban sluice Jun 12, 2016, 9:29 AM

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Not sure how militarily accurate my artillery call was

mellow osprey Jun 12, 2016, 9:30 AM

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Arty command usually handles what should be used.

frosty smelt Jun 12, 2016, 10:22 AM

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4wtcd8PppJw

solid cipher Jun 12, 2016, 10:40 AM

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lol, the music in the video

frosty smelt Jun 12, 2016, 10:49 AM

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yeah ahhaa

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7uc-wTlD-_U

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another one

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"the soh vee ets"

solid cipher Jun 12, 2016, 10:51 AM

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as in

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the aluminium ones?

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lol

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learning outdated info about soviet AT xD

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we've come so far

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5km for the AT-6 to 25km for the Spike ATGM

spice tusk Jun 12, 2016, 11:09 AM

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can i have devbranch and stable at the same time?

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so that I don't need to switch between the two and download everything again and again

solid cipher Jun 12, 2016, 11:22 AM

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i don't think you can

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cause you enable beta through steam

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and it downloads into arma 3

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what if

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you copy and pasted

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the current arma version

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so your duplicate will be stable and you can enable the beta to change the original into dev branch?

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since both will launch through steam anyway, just that the stable duplicate will have to be launched directly

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someone correct me if i'm retarded and wrong

urban sluice Jun 12, 2016, 11:25 AM

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I wonder if the VTOL showed in the Diary will be 105mm or something like it

solid cipher Jun 12, 2016, 11:25 AM

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lol

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that'll shake up the vtol a bit

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i wonder what the zoom/range of the thing is

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and its angle as well

urban sluice Jun 12, 2016, 11:26 AM

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It'll be able to be used like an AC130 no doubt

solid cipher Jun 12, 2016, 11:26 AM

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yeah

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but you bet people are just gonna hover

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on one spot

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asking to be AT'd

urban sluice Jun 12, 2016, 11:27 AM

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Most likely, but I think if you do it on a Map like Atlis and do it 2k up where nobody can see you, it'll be good

solid cipher Jun 12, 2016, 11:27 AM

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turning up the view distance though

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having the greyhawk at 2km is a pain

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can barely see arse half the time, plus it has a serious case of parkinsons

urban sluice Jun 12, 2016, 11:28 AM

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Still, normally I do this with the Apache and destroy people lol

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I barely get shot down at that height, because people just assume it was a tank or something

solid cipher Jun 12, 2016, 11:28 AM

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yeah

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i still have to figure out how to fire the heli's ATGMs outside of visual range

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cause i don't think i can lock on to objects that aren't rendered on my screen, that and i can't even find them in the fog to begin with

urban sluice Jun 12, 2016, 11:32 AM

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No reason to lock-on when you can use the Gunner's HEs

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just zoom in and squnt your eyes, easy kills

mellow osprey Jun 12, 2016, 11:34 AM

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"I think that moved... Doof Doof Doof" "Nope, just a tree."

solid cipher Jun 12, 2016, 11:37 AM

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haha

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me in a pawnee

delicate current Jun 12, 2016, 12:58 PM

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@spice tusk @solid cipher you can have stable and dev at the same time - look at the game updater tool on the BIS wiki - part of arma3 tools. I have my main steam game set to the dev branch. then used the game updater to install stable in another directory.

cerulean trellis Jun 12, 2016, 12:59 PM

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did they fix being able to access tanoa on game updater dev branch installs yet?

onyx dragon Jun 12, 2016, 1:03 PM

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yes

delicate current Jun 12, 2016, 1:05 PM

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@onyx dragon thanks - means i might be able to switch my normal back to A3 to stable and have dev set on the game updater

onyx dragon Jun 12, 2016, 1:07 PM

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oh err it was different for regular steam dev vs game updater installs? sry idk about gameupdater... i thought he meant the steam access problems with tanoa

cerulean trellis Jun 12, 2016, 1:08 PM

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last week it wasnt possible to access tanoa on a game updater dev branch install, leading to @delicate current's setup

mellow osprey Jun 12, 2016, 2:38 PM

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I have the same setup as @delicate current, with game updater handling stable (I don't leave game updater open, only when the Stable branch updates).

ashen stratus Jun 12, 2016, 2:56 PM

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So about this CSAT VTOL, do we know just how big it is? Do we have dimensions?

mellow osprey Jun 12, 2016, 2:58 PM

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No exact stuff, you might be able to get an estimate from https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5A1O4QiFd58 though.

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Vehicles section starts at 4:11

sweet axle Jun 12, 2016, 2:59 PM

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I'd imagine it's about the same size as a hind, but probably a little shorter in length

ashen stratus Jun 12, 2016, 3:09 PM

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Damn, I was hoping it would be the other way around

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CSAT having the new high tech super fortress troop carrier

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And NATO having a light VTOL transport

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Also

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Did anyone else notice that the NATO VTOL had weapons on the side like a 130 gunship

opal nacelle Jun 12, 2016, 3:13 PM

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You're not the only one to see that

urban sluice Jun 12, 2016, 3:14 PM

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Yes, Clown

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were gonna be able to gay the hell out of it

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wooo

ashen stratus Jun 12, 2016, 3:15 PM

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Why do you want that

mellow osprey Jun 12, 2016, 3:15 PM

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Who wouldn't want that!?

ashen stratus Jun 12, 2016, 3:16 PM

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Sponge bob skin is where it's at

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Especially for tanoa

mellow osprey Jun 12, 2016, 3:16 PM

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NATO STRONK spray painted on the side.

ashen stratus Jun 12, 2016, 3:20 PM

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I want "Hello~" on the side of my osprey where the guns are

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Suki voice in the background

short plaza Jun 12, 2016, 3:56 PM

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☕

mellow osprey Jun 12, 2016, 3:57 PM

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I agree, coffee time.

short plaza Jun 12, 2016, 4:04 PM

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i have completed my 5hrs of sleep. it is time to return to the jungle

near sun Jun 12, 2016, 4:05 PM

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I am actually glad NATO got the heavy VTOL. It makes sense since they don't have a proper amphibious force in the region.

slender pebble Jun 12, 2016, 4:05 PM

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both got "heavy" VTOLs

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both factions have a gunship variant

delicate current Jun 12, 2016, 4:06 PM

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also it looks like a heavy osprey/c130

mellow osprey Jun 12, 2016, 4:06 PM

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The smaller (CSAT) is more nimble, as it should be.

sweet axle Jun 12, 2016, 4:07 PM

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Well the Arma 3 tactical guide suggested that NATO were going to have a C-130 and a V-22 so why not mash them both together? That way, BIS deliver both as promised 😃

solid cipher Jun 12, 2016, 4:07 PM

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hovercrafts pls :3

delicate current Jun 12, 2016, 4:09 PM

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the csat vtol is certinly asking to be retextured into a jet out of marvels avengers

short plaza Jun 12, 2016, 4:10 PM

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haha

mellow osprey Jun 12, 2016, 4:10 PM

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The first time I saw it I had a good chuckle, it just looks a little ridiculous.

delicate current Jun 12, 2016, 4:11 PM

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i like the look of it, csat are meant have better level of tech in the arma3 timeline

urban sluice Jun 12, 2016, 4:12 PM

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The CSAT one seems too futuristic for a game with AK. The NATO one looks like a whale with down syndrome

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(sorry for being salty)

mellow osprey Jun 12, 2016, 4:12 PM

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Like hell those fans are putting out enough downforce to lift that thing off the ground, unless its made entirly of composite material.

slender pebble Jun 12, 2016, 4:13 PM

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check the back of the craft

mellow osprey Jun 12, 2016, 4:13 PM

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And the fans are going mach 1.8

slender pebble Jun 12, 2016, 4:13 PM

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you'll see 2 additionnal thrust engines.

mellow osprey Jun 12, 2016, 4:13 PM

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Yes, but they arn't doing much in the y axis.

delicate current Jun 12, 2016, 4:14 PM

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@urban sluice good thing BIS Moderators don't have control here like on the Bis Forums (actually we do), as that comment wasnt very polite

urban sluice Jun 12, 2016, 4:14 PM

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sorry about not being polite 😦

mellow osprey Jun 12, 2016, 4:15 PM

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"Cross eyed whale with wings" any better?

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Inb4 banned

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😛

near sun Jun 12, 2016, 4:15 PM

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*Highfive's Roadkill. F yeah bro. You shredded that dweeb!

short plaza Jun 12, 2016, 4:15 PM

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lmao

near sun Jun 12, 2016, 4:18 PM

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Anyway, I'm curious on who is gonna get the AK-12. Fingers crossed for the Jandarmerie

delicate current Jun 12, 2016, 4:19 PM

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or a secret faction, maybe some one wearing that raven vest

slender pebble Jun 12, 2016, 4:20 PM

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oh god

delicate current Jun 12, 2016, 4:20 PM

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especially as its not really a CSAT weapon

urban sluice Jun 12, 2016, 4:20 PM

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more likely to be syndikat. Gendarmerie would get the MP5

slender pebble Jun 12, 2016, 4:20 PM

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it's so fucking weird seeing french words being thrown like that

mellow osprey Jun 12, 2016, 4:21 PM

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Its a good word.

cerulean trellis Jun 12, 2016, 4:21 PM

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that and the dutch place names on tanoa 😛

near sun Jun 12, 2016, 4:23 PM

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Nah... I doubt we will get any PMC's... 😦

urban sluice Jun 12, 2016, 4:24 PM

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There are reference to ION on Tanoa, and Blue Pearl Harbour is own by Vrana...

near sun Jun 12, 2016, 4:24 PM

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I mean the guys from Vrana are a mega corporation ...

urban sluice Jun 12, 2016, 4:24 PM

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Maybe on a DLC like on Arma 2.

near sun Jun 12, 2016, 4:25 PM

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yeah, but they would have to add them as part of a bigger pack. Mercs and Rebels... or something along those lines

onyx dragon Jun 12, 2016, 4:25 PM

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my money is on every CSAT player still using katiba over the new "chinese katiba" because body armor...

slender pebble Jun 12, 2016, 4:26 PM

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My money is on pubby skrubs screaming that the AI is "cheating" and "looking through bushes" on the forums

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Shall the mods rest in peace after apex release

onyx dragon Jun 12, 2016, 4:26 PM

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no first scream will be performance i bet 😛

near sun Jun 12, 2016, 4:27 PM

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The CR-95 is sexy... I'm gonna go with esthetics over functionality... well maybe not... it's chambered in 5.56 so it has a longer range

onyx dragon Jun 12, 2016, 4:27 PM

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"what? i can't play jungle city with 5k viewrange on a toaster? worst game ever"

near sun Jun 12, 2016, 4:28 PM

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Nah... we love angry posts...

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I get a deluded sense of importance every time I handle an angry poster... it helps me sleep at night 😦

slender pebble Jun 12, 2016, 4:30 PM

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those gif threads on general discussions are always fun 😛

short plaza Jun 12, 2016, 4:31 PM

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lol @near sun

near sun Jun 12, 2016, 4:33 PM

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clinical depression is no laughing fact my friend

opal nacelle Jun 12, 2016, 4:34 PM

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@onyx dragon my money is on every CSAT player still using katiba over the new "chinese katiba" because body armor... Bah no kidding :(
@near sun The CR-95 is sexy... I'm gonna go with esthetics over functionality... well maybe not... it's chambered in 5.56 so it has a longer range Nitpick, it's the SPAR-16 that's in 5.56 mm, the CAR-95 is in 5.8 x 42 mm

near sun Jun 12, 2016, 4:34 PM

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now back to A3 chit-chat before I get angry and can't do squat about it

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Thanks Chortles. I wont hold a secret grudge against you for correcting me in front of all this fine people 😃

opal nacelle Jun 12, 2016, 4:37 PM

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Just peeked at the Apex site

near sun Jun 12, 2016, 4:39 PM

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@opal nacelle It's fine mate 😃

urban sluice Jun 12, 2016, 4:40 PM

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aside of birds, rain/thunder, AC sounds, are there other improvements made about ambiance on Tanoa?

opal nacelle Jun 12, 2016, 4:42 PM

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@near sun I know 😃 although the CMR-76 is upcalibered from that (the real-life counterpart is also in 5.8 x 42 albeit optimized for a 'heavy' loading; an improved cartridge meant to succeed both began production about six years ago)

urban sluice Jun 12, 2016, 4:56 PM

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about ViV, do you think that vehicles will be "physically" present in VTOLs (sort of attachTo), or just "virtually" like when players are in armoured vehicles?

slender pebble Jun 12, 2016, 4:56 PM

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players in armored vehicles are still there

urban sluice Jun 12, 2016, 4:57 PM

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only those who can turn out, as far as I remember

inland mortar Jun 12, 2016, 5:17 PM

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If anyone here is looking to experience Tanoa with a little more atmosphere, Asylum #5 is full at 100/100 on dev branch. It's an RP server though, so please behave 😛

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And if you are new to RP servers, I'd love to give you the tour.

onyx dragon Jun 12, 2016, 5:20 PM

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"lick my boots grunt" kind of atmospheric tour?

inland mortar Jun 12, 2016, 5:21 PM

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haha naa, I will show you around and try to take a bullet for you if you get shot at!

dreamy marsh Jun 12, 2016, 5:24 PM

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Any gungame version that is still being developed?

wide ginkgo Jun 12, 2016, 5:41 PM

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do any of you guys know how to save the dev branch updade so i dont have to keep downloading it when i change back and forth

cerulean trellis Jun 12, 2016, 5:45 PM

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check the game updater tool under arma tools

wide ginkgo Jun 12, 2016, 5:47 PM

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@cerulean trellis where is arma tools ?

cerulean trellis Jun 12, 2016, 5:48 PM

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its on steam, in the tools library

wide ginkgo Jun 12, 2016, 5:55 PM

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so i should download arma 3 tool

cerulean trellis Jun 12, 2016, 5:55 PM

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sounds like it, yea

urban sluice Jun 12, 2016, 6:08 PM

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Hey Can I ask something? When I eneable development mode thats downloading 6,5GB so When Disable to developent mode downloading 350 MB
I dont wanna download them allways ! What can I do?

mellow osprey Jun 12, 2016, 6:08 PM

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Use Game Updater to manage 2 installs at once.

urban sluice Jun 12, 2016, 6:09 PM

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as like common\arma 3 - and common\arma 3Tanoa ?

south spindle Jun 12, 2016, 6:09 PM

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You are downloading 6.5 GB extra for Apex

mellow osprey Jun 12, 2016, 6:10 PM

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Arma 3 [Stable] and Arma 3 [Development]

urban sluice Jun 12, 2016, 6:10 PM

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Yes but I dont wanna down allways when I want to turn other |>

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without download @urban sluice

opal nacelle Jun 12, 2016, 6:11 PM

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Hence using Game Updater

mellow osprey Jun 12, 2016, 6:11 PM

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Yes, so download Arma 3 Tools, open up Game Updater and make that your stable version and use steam for the development build, then just make a shortcut.

urban sluice Jun 12, 2016, 6:12 PM

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cool :>

mellow osprey Jun 12, 2016, 6:12 PM

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Easy as pie.

urban sluice Jun 12, 2016, 6:12 PM

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will try.

south spindle Jun 12, 2016, 6:12 PM

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I thought people weren't able to access Tanoa from the game updater install?

mellow osprey Jun 12, 2016, 6:12 PM

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Development version on steam, stable on Game Updater.

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I think they fixed that issue anyway.

urban sluice Jun 12, 2016, 6:13 PM

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They can.

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https://www.battlemetrics.com/servers/search?dir=desc&game=arma3&q=Tanoa&sort=players

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lovely fully servers 😄

mellow osprey Jun 12, 2016, 6:14 PM

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People are really loving Tanoa, and for good reason.

feral reef Jun 12, 2016, 6:14 PM

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Cause Altis sucks

mellow osprey Jun 12, 2016, 6:14 PM

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😛

urban sluice Jun 12, 2016, 6:14 PM

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thats pretty cool 😄

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Asylum works pretty 😄

cerulean trellis Jun 12, 2016, 6:14 PM

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it is a really sexy map, tanoa. Im really liking the elevation play

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especially in towns, tons of ledges and stuff

urban sluice Jun 12, 2016, 6:14 PM

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I thought thats smimullar as like arma 3 life but cool 😄

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Im waiting the new vehicles.

mellow osprey Jun 12, 2016, 6:14 PM

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So much to explore, so much to see. Altis was all a bit of the same.

feral reef Jun 12, 2016, 6:17 PM

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Its a boring map

south spindle Jun 12, 2016, 6:18 PM

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Yeah there is too much green

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I prefer the tan feel of Altis

feral reef Jun 12, 2016, 6:18 PM

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eww

south spindle Jun 12, 2016, 6:18 PM

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lol

mellow osprey Jun 12, 2016, 6:18 PM

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You're crazy.

hot trail Jun 12, 2016, 6:19 PM

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Regarding the Bornholm controversy: Egil WANTS the community to update Bornholm when he cannot find the time, fortunately, he found the time with the 1.60 lighting update. @twilit oar was prefectly fine to push his build to steam, and I believe he took it down now that an official update is out. Proof: https://twitter.com/EgilSandfeld/status/742044055857729537

south spindle Jun 12, 2016, 6:19 PM

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(I'm kidding)

hot trail Jun 12, 2016, 6:19 PM

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Why must this discord rip apart someone who is helping the community? Goodjob, @twilit oar. Most of us appreciate it

fallow trench Jun 12, 2016, 6:19 PM

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do you need to have apex pre-ordered to play on tanoa now?

mellow osprey Jun 12, 2016, 6:19 PM

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sarcasm doesn't translate well over text 😛

south spindle Jun 12, 2016, 6:19 PM

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Yes

urban sluice Jun 12, 2016, 6:22 PM

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] Update state (0x61) downloading, progress: 1.05 (233525892 / 22219289358)
Pretty cool thnx @mellow osprey 😄

mellow osprey Jun 12, 2016, 6:22 PM

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Hah, no problem 😄

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I think one of my 5GHz radios is failing 😦

finite relic Jun 12, 2016, 6:30 PM

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This Discord rips people apart for not seeking permission, for stealing other people's content, for monetising other peoples content and for flouting IP rights. Something I believe you yourself @hot trail were called out for. I think the issue with @twilit oar was handled alright. Sure, it could have been a bit better, but even he was agreeable and took the moral high ground until things could be sorted and clarified.

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Pot calling the kettle black, Sir.

feral reef Jun 12, 2016, 6:32 PM

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+1

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and, tbh. Nobody mentioned "stealing"

hot trail Jun 12, 2016, 6:33 PM

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As stated prior, I'm discontinuing all of my vehicle work unless I recieve explecit permission. I'm putting the past behind me, what's done is done. You might want to put that on a macro, because like-it-or-not, I'm sticking around. I've got a feeling you'll be wanting to bring it up every once in a while