#hey Jordan, are you still running into
mossy prism
I've made progress, part of the issue was I was running on ec2, proxying it through my home computer so it had a legit residential IP seemed to help
Ordered a Mac mini, I'm going to start hosting locally
Mostly wondering if people found that making web accounts generally works or if the protection from bots is too strong
mossy prism
oh just realized that you work at browser base
am I correct in my interpertation that I would need to pay $100 a month just to have any access to advanced stealth? Even if I only need it occasionally?
mossy prism
I guess yahoo just has me blocked now though
if browser base advanced stealth would help this and not make me pay $100 a month for something I only need occasionally I would return the mac mini and keep hosting on ec2 + browser base
topaz zealot
ah got it, yeah it can depend on the site - I want to get you guys Advanced Stealth that solves more captchas + gets around more antibot providers than our self serve plans provide, the $20 and $100 plan have our Basic Stealth so no difference between the two
really good feedback!
mossy prism
oh wait not even the $100 plan has advanced stealth? How do I get it then?
also, very funny that GPT-5.4 refuses to help solve captchas, but has no issue setting up browser base even though I explicitly told it I was doing it to get around captchas
I'm on a tilt right now trying to get it to sign up for a yahoo account to do my friend's march madness pool, I could easily make the account myself but I really want to see this work
topaz zealot
right now, Advanced Stealth is only on our Scale/enterprise plans - Basic Stealth can do a lot, but I hear you on wanting the stronger antibot/captcha solving, especially for the use cases you're talking about
mossy prism
yeah, I just want it to be able to do any of the things I would be able to do, since it acts on my behalf
mossy prism
is it usually just the credential creation step that is so locked down? If you guys offered a service that just automated that part and delivered me the credentials I would definitely pay for that
topaz zealot
yeah you nailed it, account creation is by far the hardest thing to automate on any major site. It's where they invest the most in anti-bot because it's the #1 abuse vector, so they layer a ton of signals beyond just captchas (IP reputation, phone verification, behavioral analysis, device fingerprinting, etc.). once you have an account though, automating logged-in actions is way more doable
the practical move is to make the Yahoo account yourself, then use a Browserbase Context to persist that login session - from there automating the bracket entry is a much more solvable problem. cookies/login info likely wont last forever but can reduce the amount of times Hermes needs to re-login
mossy prism
yeah, unfortunately it is sounding like my best option is to run locally and control the actual bare-metal browser with a plugin to deal with captchas
which sucks because I would rather just have these running on ec2 and using something like browser base
topaz zealot
yeah man i hear that, we're really solid for pushing concurrent browsers + fetch/search API all in one place but local still has it's strong suits (added those APIs these past 2 weeks, we gotta get that integrated for setup! @worthy totem )
worthy totem
if browser base advanced stealth would help this and not make me pay $100 a mont...
Heya - I'm a little out of context on whats going on 😄
topaz zealot
Just riffing on ideas - browser captcha/antibots are tough
worthy totem
Just riffing on ideas - browser captcha/antibots are tough
Yea we are talking with browserbase for more options
topaz zealot
Yea we are talking with browserbase for more options
Yup, good chatting last night 🙂
worthy totem
Oh 
mossy prism
Writeup of all I had to do to eventually get it to work: https://x.com/jbentley/status/2034673115960074677?s=20
It was a fun challenge, but I'm hoping in the future it will be easier
topaz zealot
Writeup of all I had to do to eventually get it to work: https://x.com/jbentley/...
dude thank you, awesome write up and gives me ideas on the options I can add to hermes to make this easier - i have a lot to dig into but i appreciate the feedback here
mossy prism
controlling chrome through the debugger with a captcha beating plugin seems to be a lot smoother, although I had to spend $600 on a mac mini to be able to do it. Also I'm going to have to get fancy because I want to run more agents in docker containers, they will need to be able to start chrome sessions on the host machine to connect to. I'll also need one of these so that chrome doesn't show as headless amazon.com/dp/B0CKKJQJK3?ref=ppx_yo2ov_dt_b_fed_asin_title
For whatever reason, even with the proxy to my residential IP, going through browser base login processes were still flaky. Something was still triggering the anti-bot detection but not consistently.
I would have much rather had a turn-key solution to all of this, so if BrowserBase can make it easy and reliable I would probably have paid for that
worthy totem
controlling chrome through the debugger with a captcha beating plugin seems to b...
What plugins do the captcha breaking
mossy prism
I'm using capsolver
although right now I'm trying to get a multi-modal model to beat github's audio captcha
having a real chrome session non-headless seems to really do the trick, everything works smoother
and I can watch it, which is fun I guess
mainly doing this as a challenge at this point