#[Game Review]Too small game for PvE-Only players.

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sand lark
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Seems the game world is just way too small for NON-PvP players, Because:

  1. The "Peace Flag" looses it's effect when you enter certain areas.
  2. You can't enter any "Pirate" ports, so no trade possible between those ports.
  3. Starting from Ship level V (Thats 3rd ship type from the start) you are unable to use waters due to "Shallow water" restrictions), which try to push you towards the PvP enabled zones.
  4. Too much "Arena" focus, ex. the chat spam about it, which is why i switch my chat tab to Logbook and completely ignore chat, which is bad for community building.

So in short:
Make "Peace Flags stick all over the game, if a player does not want to do PvP let him/her play that way...

(Feel free to whine about how PvE-Only sux etc, that's your opinion, this is mine)

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low bone
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I mean you didn't even explore all of the map, and so only explored the right side, which is for beginners. The left side is for late game.

eager mason
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also the peaceflag is for all the map except the big circle in the middle

sand lark
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cold robin
sand lark
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That's probably not peace flags but decoy flags
I will re-check and report back in that case 👍🏽

cold robin
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The decoy flags will also display in the menu where you select a flag as two flags one white with blue cross and one behind it with white and black cross.

sand lark
cold robin
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On another note watch out for the big red double circle that sometimes appears that's a pvp event / temporary pvp zone that will automatically disable peace flags if you accidentally enter it.

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Also a note on your 3rd point most shallow waters on the north or west part of the map allow 5th rate ships to enter, only the ones around Fiji bay and port salada don't allow for 5th rates to enter. Ports in the south west ( sharhat assab & El tigre ) even allow up to 2nd rate to enter the shallows.

sand lark
eager mason
sand lark
sand lark
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Here is example proof that it isn't just inside the PvP circle nor that it has to do with Decoy-Flag vs Peace flag...

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cold robin
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If it says exit to dangerous waters your entering pvp only area's.

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Endless sea doesn't allow the use of peace flags and will automatically switch you to faction/ black flag. It's a very late game area.

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Also their's no map of the endless sea.

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Try going west via the north west or south west avoiding the middle there's a whole area that allows the use of peace flags out west.

sand lark
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cold robin
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cold robin
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i just checked that map, that particular altar you tried to go to is in the endless sea ( pvp area ) theres one not in a pvp area in the west.

sand lark
cold robin
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yes, but you keep trying to go to pvp only area's while stating the maps too small for non pvp players with only half the map explored. traveling takes time in this game.

sand lark
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That's part of what i'm trying to explain yes....
The game has too much PvP-Only, which makes NO-sense...

cold robin
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it takes me 30 minutes at least to go from north bastion to sharhat via gelbion on a trade run. so i avoid the middle or a sea skirmish. even more if there's a lot of hostile npc's or a ongoing storm.

sand lark
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I dont mind the travel time.... i love sailing...

cold robin
sand lark
cold robin
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at least 80% of the map is non pvp ( estimated ) only the circle or beyond the map edges is pvp only.

sand lark
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Wrong...

cold robin
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how so?

sand lark
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We're startng to talk in circles...im heading back to game 🖖🏽

obsidian ice
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dude is clueless, dont waste your time

sand lark
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Seems i've blocked the guy above this message across discord, so just ignore that person...

obsidian ice
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Seems like your clueless to listen to people trying to explain things to you, and your responses are just to say wrong and not elaborate, you cant even be bothered to explore the map and complain about pvp... yeah lets ignore that. clown

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obsidian ice
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Endless sea and circle are the only pvp forced zones

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The entire map is safe if you dont want to pvp

icy urchin
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If you consider the size of the map the pvp area is not excessive

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There are also multiple altars in peaceful areas

woven marlin
# sand lark Seems the game world is just way too small for NON-PvP players, Because: 1. The ...
  1. true, it has reasons for it. 2. possible solution, you can use decoy flags, they gives protection close to ports, some risk involved, but its worth it. 3, possible solution play at west side of map, or u can keep some low rate ships to enter ports at shallows. 4. u can play this game without even entering arena, "If something bothers us, its in us.", and devs announced they are planning to add more pve content to the game.
sand lark
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[Game Review]Too small game for NON-PvP players.

icy urchin
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you did not even consider our responses.

wise needle
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Map is 70% pve and dude still complains there’s not enough room. You get more loot and exp from running factions flags it’s the risk involved in playing. Better rewards are found in the middle as well but it’s full pvp you have to have areas of the map that reward players for taking risk otherwise you have no incentive to take risks. The map could be bigger in general but player size would need to double for it to be worth it. Left side of the map is barren sometimes compared to the right I think the left needs to be expanded with another noob area there

low bone
wise needle
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Understand people will still naturally stay close to the right side of the map for noob spawn. Saint Jean is practically a trade hub with other ports like Fiji and gray islands doing the same. It also helps with guild recruitment being close to the noob spawn helps drive up guild numbers with new fresh faces as people will be reluctant to join a guild on the other side of the map.
Seal clubbers will also head to noob spawn for PvP and reputation if they need it. Spreading it out over two areas is more beneficial than having one main area. Helps distribute players among the map more evenly.

low bone
wise needle
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I’m just saying I think if you have the harder areas towards the center and the noob friendly areas on the outside it would push more people towards the center area

low bone
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Those who want to have pvp will pvp.

wise needle
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Not saying to force them in the PvP circle that was never my intention saying it would be better if the areas were evenly distributed instead of going right to left in terms of progression higher rewards areas around the center and medium rewards areas farther from center, low rewards areas making the corners and edge of the map while keeping middle the highest reward area.

low bone
# wise needle Not saying to force them in the PvP circle that was never my intention saying it...

It's counter clockwise in terms of danger levels, with the pvp circle having the highest danger level. Those that want to take on the biggest risk for highest reward and are fine with pvp can go to the circle, those that just want to attack nps ships for the endgame without worrying about being sunk by pvp players can go to the bottom left corner. The progression in terms of exploration is already pretty good as it encourages you to explore the whole map.

sand lark
# wise needle Map is 70% pve and dude still complains there’s not enough room. You get more lo...

Please dont generalize your way of a reward system that only revolves around PvP...
They can make it risky for NoN-PvP players as well...
You like the "thrill" of fighting Human players, NoN-PvP players don't...

If i choose to NOT kill other players, a game should not try to FORCE me to kill them...
If they force too hard, i will DROP that game harder...simple..
And dont try to play the "It's only a game" card...because on the other side of that screen are REAL humans with feelings, i do NOT wan to hurt...

I would even go so far that if i were a LAW maker, i would make PvP games ILLEGAL, understand my point of view?
Games should not be an online course to raise criminals/terrorists in real life...
If you like to battle vs real humans, go join an army and face the thrill of perma death...

low bone
# sand lark Please dont generalize your way of a reward system that only revolves around PvP...

Ok leaving your beliefs about pvp aside, you're not forced to do pvp. You're encouraged to, but not forced. There is nothing you can get that you need to do pvp for. Pirate weapons? Buy on auction, or sail to a captured pirate port. Battle marks? Buy from auction again. Even construction license, buy from auction. Only thing that's locked is maybe some skins for some ships, but that doesn't really matter.

obsidian ice
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This guy just moans about pvp in every thread he replies to and refuses to acknowledge any other point of view, all he does is throw a winky emote in. He’s a troll. It’s a game your feelings don’t matter about violence and I’m glad you’re not a lawmaker. This game does not force pvp and you have more pve areas or ways to avoid conflict than there is ways to force conflict.

placid timber
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Obvious troll thread.

sand lark
low bone
sand lark
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Ahh Arena...that's locked behind PvP also then....

obsidian ice
eager mason
lunar phoenix
sand lark
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wise needle
# eager mason its kinda unsetteling reading stuff like this, you lucky i am not a LAW maker

Dude probably put on faction flags one time and lost a hour of progress to some random that sunk him and this is his way to vent. Dude forgets to realize humans are naturally competitive. Violent games don’t bring violent people. Sports games are PvP so he’s gonna say he’s going to ban that so watch out EA this dude might become a law maker and finally take your trash games off our shelves (jk) 😂

obsidian ice
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If this game had no PvP it would not last as multiplayer game, and then by that logic why try to change a game you truly don’t want to play.

mossy latch
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@sand lark you can't sit here and say the map is too small for pve players when you haven't even discovered the other 60% of the pve areas, me and my group went to the west side of the map where there was better loot when we we're in tier 5 ships, literally no excuse.

sand lark
# mossy latch <@510413297900716048> you can't sit here and say the map is too small for pve pl...

You are right that i still haven't discovered the west side of the map, but my review is from the point of view of a new player...
Plus i only recently got a hold of a rank V ship, it takes a while to gather supplies etc to build stuff solo...
The game might be bigger for the PvE players who have friends in game to help them get started etc, but it sure as hell isn't for the solo new player...
Plus not to mention that if you try to go west in a low ship the NPC's will tear you appart...

sand lark
# wise needle Dude probably put on faction flags one time and lost a hour of progress to some ...
  1. Im not a "Dude", im female...
  2. I'm playing solo... (That screenshot was taken while i was in a guild for maybe 1 hr, which i left due to game mechanics with mooring fees)

Sports games are PvP
What you describe there is called PvE in games, because PvP in games involves KILLING other players.
Which sport in real life involves killing your opponent? (Legal ones)

You are obviously a US citizen, but the rest of the world didn't grow up in the "Wild-West", we tend tobe more civilized...

wise needle
sand lark
# wise needle Player vs Player does not include killing other people understand the difference...

I know what PvP means as an abbreviation, 👉🏽 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Player_versus_player

Do you know how that term is used in games, because i think you are just too new to online gaming compared to me... (I'm from the pre-internet era, see my full profile)
In games PvP means battle between players that involves killing the other player.
Otherwise all online games could be labeled PvP, which they aint...
So don't try to correct someone when your own info is lacking 😉

Player versus player

Player versus player (PvP) is a type of multiplayer interactive conflict within a game between human players. This is often compared to player versus environment (PvE), in which the game itself controls its players' opponents and is usually offline, whereas PvP tends to be online. The terms are most often used in games where both activities exis...

wise needle
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Wow congrats on being pre internet. Your old ways of thinking are really showing. Pvp is a broad term and the fact you can’t describe what a online sports game between two online players as anything other than it clearly being pvp because you think everything has to be related to killing someone really shows how flawed your argument is. Do I think the pve experience can be added on absolutely. I think there could be more challenging areas or even world bosses. Are the devs trying to push people to the center with shallow waters. No it’s legit there to protect people in smaller ships it also adds a skill challenge to use smaller ships and allows for more creative engagements between people but you don’t care about that.You haven’t even discovered the other half of the map and you think the devs should make peace flags viable for all parts of the map. Pvp is already limited and sometimes scarce as it is outside the middle but now you want the entire map to just be all care bear. You can’t pander to one side without hurting the other legit contradicts your own statement “ And don’t try to play the it’s only a game card…because on the other side of that screen are REAL humans with feelings I do NOT want to hurt.”
You removing a feature from the game because you believe it “is an online course to raise criminal/terrorist in real life” is absurd you directly affect the other side in a negative way. People aren’t inherently violent but clearly what ever the European news feed you clearly makes you think that way. When your own statement and logic doesn’t contradict itself and your argument is deeper than a puddle I’ll respond or do what you do to others and block them because you know they are right in some aspect but you’d rather have the world pander to you.

Just in case you forgot to read your own source.

“PvP can be broadly used to describe any game, or aspect of a game, where players compete against each other”

sand lark
devout axle
# sand lark Seems the game world is just way too small for NON-PvP players, Because: 1. The ...

Alright, I really enjoy reading how you guys bash each other but lets take it back to the Topic...
Here comes my Opinion:
First off all i got this game a few days ago and have about 40 hours playtime now
I'm lvl 15 since yesterday and own a "Le Cerf" and a "Black Wind"

As you can See i traveld a good part of the Map already doing some Trading runs

I wasnt really bothered when i noticed that i cant enter "Fiji" for example with my BlackWind...
Well i mean i thought "Ohh thats fast paced leaving the obvious starter zone that early" but after i understood where i can and cant go it was fine

I dont feel like the Game pushes me into the PvP Zones, of course you need to take longer routes when trading but you can figure out some shortcuts that dont put you in PvP instantly

There are Pirate ports you can visit with Peace Flags, so i dont really see your point there

After 30ish hours of full PvE Gameplay that i really enjoyed i decided to visit that funny circle in the Middle...
I noticed really fast that the Game highly rewards risky Gameplay and made a good 500k just Sailing through the middle and running away after looting some chests
Looting those with a Peace Flag working there would be way way way too easy in my opinion...

I played Solo for the whole time and i dont feel like anything is taking too long...
It rather is pretty fast i think

So in short:
Peace Flags are fine as they are, they let you enjoy all of the Content without being worried about PvP Players

I would enjoy discussing this further with you @sand lark but without getting personal in any way please 🙂

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obsidian ice
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Vidar, don’t feed the trolls

sand lark
# devout axle Alright, I really enjoy reading how you guys bash each other but lets take it ba...

Thank you for your pleasantly readable review from your point of view, i highly appreciate this kind of counter experience from mine, in a civil way 👍🏽

That said everyone plays differently, that's why my view is different as yours, not saying one is right or wrong, we both just have different experiences.
👍🏽

Oh PS:
You seem to have progressed way faster as me, grats on that 👍🏽

devout axle
# sand lark Thank you for your pleasantly readable review from your point of view, i highly ...

Your welcome 👍

Yeah it may be the different Playstyle haha
But i think when your experience is so bad, that you write a small essay about the Game beeing too small you may be doing something wrong...

I dont want to be rude saying that, what i mean is that there may be a trick or game mechanic you didnt catch yet...

Cant really imagine that your PvE Playstyle is so different from what is intended that it makes you stop enjoying the game...

But who knows, feel free to make me understand 😅

PS:
Thank you, it may have been a good portion of luck i dont know 😅

sand lark
devout axle
sand lark
# devout axle What do you mean with requirement ? Could you elaborate on that ? I dont think ...

What do you mean with requirement ?
Could you elaborate on that ?

  1. The red circle in middle of map, is PvP-Only right?
  • This circle also prevents usage of a shorter route for 5+ ranked ships due to the strategically placed island(s) just west of FiJi
  • This circle has as you self already mentioned more profitable loot.
    Why is a NoN-PvP (PvE) player restricted from using that area and battle vs the NPC's there?
    I mean a PvE player wont participate in area wars between guilds/factions anyhow.
  • It maybe will also prevent me to build certain rank ships in future due to ports there i won't be able to visit and use functionality of, and/or resources that are only gainable there.
  • This circle will at the least restrict PvE players to do any trades to/from the ports in this circle.

  1. Amber is not transportable using Peace flags, no idea where it is used but i noticed it...

  2. Shop -> Designs -> Unique:
    It clearly states: "Visit the Pirate Shop or Arena Shop to buy rare designs and paints for in-game currency".
    Am i wrong that these are not accessible/usable by PvE-Only players, because I won't engage in any PvP gameplay at all?
    (If im wrong please explain the details so i will be able to buy some using in-game currency in future)

  3. Skills -> Exploration:

  • "Good Connections" and it's followup "Illegal Mooring" both clearly state that they can't be used with Peace Flags, eg PvP-Only.
  • "Decoy Flags": This skill's effects are a nice to have for a PvE-Only player, yet by nature of the flag it is unusable because it will force the PvE-Only player into PvP mode when too far in open sea areas.
  1. Skills -> Craft:
  • "Quick Delivery" & "Underground Hall": Unusable by PvE-Only players due to effects only in "Dangerous waters" which is PvP-Only.
  1. Medals:
  • "Boarding King", why only for boarding players and not NPC ships?
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  1. The systems Arena chat spam makes me switch off chat by switching to the Logbook chat-tab, it's just sooo annoying for me...
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Anyhow good moaning to all, fresh day with fresh coffee 😄

obsidian ice
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To get good loot there needs to be risk, in your world you want the best loot with no risk realistically

devout axle
# sand lark > What do you mean with requirement ? > Could you elaborate on that ? 1. The red...

Tank you!

1. Fiji Island
Thats what i meant by tricks you can find out
The game encourages you to explore and if you do so you notice that its actually a shortcut that just looks like its blocked

2. The Circle
In a Game that is PvPvE there need to be some rewards for doing the PvP part, imagine it the other way around...
If it wasnt there most of the PvP Players wouldnt have a place to play like they want.
I actually dont know if there is a Port that builds 1 Rank ships in the South-West, but there are still ways to get your material to do so into the Circle without risking anything...
The most pofitable Trading is done North/South and East/West, the Circle is not restricting that

3. Amber
This is an 24h Event Item for big Guilds to compete with each other, so thats fine i think

4. Shop
Yes, this is easiest done with playing the Arena Mode, but the Pirate Shops can be visited in the Open World without much risk

5. Skills
Good Connection + Follow -> They may be PvP Skills, but there is nothing wrong with specific Skills for Specific Game Styles
Decoy Flag -> Sure this would be nice to use for a PvE Player, but you can easyly play without it, since you can just run or sail around NPS

Quick Delivery -> Yes this gives a reward for visiting the PvP Zone, but you can still just take an Empty Ship in there and Build your mines, thats basically no risk at all. With the Mission building on the island you dont have to go back in to collect stuff...

6. Medals
There are PvE and PvP Medals...
I could Board like 10 NPS in a row, so thats not really worth a Medal...

8. Arena Chat
Yeah thats really annoying

obsidian ice
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Amber is for trade union only btw.

sand lark
# devout axle Tank you! **1. Fiji Island** Thats what i meant by tricks you can find out The ...

FiJi Island:

The game encourages you to explore and if you do so you notice that its actually a shortcut that just looks like its blocked
Ok i will try again, but last time i checked out that route my bigger ship wasn't able to pass through though.
I will definitely try again with empty hold 👍🏽

The Circle:

In a Game that is PvPvE there need to be some rewards for doing the PvP part, imagine it the other way around...
There already is a reward for the PvP part, it's the port control.
Civilians, the PvE-Only players, should be able to use all areas of the map IMHO.

If it wasnt there most of the PvP Players wouldnt have a place to play like they want.
They already play "like they want" all over the map, why restrict the way we (PvE-Only) players want to play, why are they given more privileges?
Ex.: I accidentally used Decoy Flags yesterday, and got PK'ed after a battle vs 4 NPC's being almost no-HP, and lost 3 captured ships together with a lot of loot, just between Brandport and Freebooter, by a yellow named player that turned red when he attacked me due to this PvP crap...

The most pofitable Trading is done North/South and East/West, the Circle is not restricting that
The issue is not which routes are most profitable, the point is that PvE-Only players are restricted from entering and thus trading inside this circle.

Amber:

This is an 24h Event Item for big Guilds to compete with each other, so thats fine i think
Ok, thanks for the info, in that case it's np indeed.
I was just wondering.

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Shop:

Yes, this is easiest done with playing the Arena Mode, but the Pirate Shops can be visited in the Open World without much risk
I have not done any Arena mode yet, because i saw it was all about battles between other players (PvP).
Last time i saw a Pirate port, it clearly stated that i was unable to dock there under Peace Flag, so how would i be able to visit any Pirate Shops?

Skills & Medals:

I just leave it at what i said, because we obviously have different opinions about some things 🙂