#catgirl 5

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kind agate
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Yes

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@supple knoll I have seen that the majority of people who talk about Homo sapiens having different species or subspecies or basically the kind of racist stuff tend to be from lower middle class backgrounds in Anglo countries. I have never seen an Asian, Arab, or anybody like that make statements like those. It's usually somebody from the USA, Canada, or Australia that tend to be right-wing and from lower middle class backgrounds. Why do you think this is the case?

supple knoll
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I've never seen anyone make that statement

kind agate
supple knoll
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The best candidates for human "subspecies" are in areas colonised by the UK though

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Since Australian Aboriginals and Papuans diverged from the homo sapiens lineage first

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They're also have a different history in that they crossed to areas never inhabited by homo erectus, which spread across most of Africa and Eurasia before homo sapiens arrived

kind agate
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What does this mean

supple knoll
supple knoll
kind agate
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Who do you think is a group of human subspecies

supple knoll
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I don't

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The usual claims are around Australian Aboriginals, Papuans and Khoi San, though

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And maybe African Pygmy people

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They are more diverged because they lack genetic material seen in the vast majority of humans

kind agate
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Maybe the khoisan and aboriginals but the other groups have some similarities with south east asinas/south asians

supple knoll
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Papuans have similiarities with Polynesian and Melanesian people because those peoples intermarried with them as they spread out into the Pacific

kind agate
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I think the pygmy aboriginal and khoi San tend to be the most distant

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Yet I don't think they qualify as a sub species

supple knoll
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The Pygmy thing is sort of related to why we consider homo floresiensis might have been a species - they seem to have evolved very short stature and that's now a key part of their genetics

kind agate
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You think the pygmy are a different sub species?

supple knoll
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No

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It would be interesting if we could recover homo floresiensis DNA though, as that would give us more insight into another subspecies

kind agate
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Do we have any evidence that the homo flores had any difficulties in producing offspring? We cannot say the Neanderthals were a sub species because they had difficulties in producing normal offspring and from what I know didn't produce viable male offsprings

supple knoll
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We don't have their DNA and we don't have any clear evidence of interbreeding

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They could have just been very short Denisovans due to poor diet

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Although they could be a remnant population of the homo erectus that left Africa long before homo sapiens

kind agate
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I noticed something interesting there seem to be very common tails of short humans that stole kids in the areas surrounding homo flores

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A lot of their informations seem to match as well but according to current data they went extinct 50k years ago

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Oral information usually doesn't survive that ling

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Long unless our estimation of 50k years ago is wrong

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I believe a scientist wrote a book and he believed that they could have survived much longer

supple knoll
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The Aboriginals seemingly have oral history of coastline changes from tens of thousands of years ago

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But it may also be that in those conditions, if you live in that area and have that diet, you will end up being very short in stature

kind agate
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I doubt that

supple knoll
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So they may not be homo floresiensis, but just humans who underwent a similar process

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Diet plays a huge role in height, people with the same genetics can vary massively in height

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People from Indian or East Asian backgrounds who grow up in the west tend to be much taller than their cousins back in Asia

kind agate
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Indias average height for men is supposedly around 5'5 however the majority of even kids as young as 9th graders are taller then that

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@supple knoll wait could it be possible that the specific homo flores group or whoever they were are not the ones being talked about by the oral tradition but rather another separate group of humans who became shorter in size and became a different ethnic group but remained homo sapiens but were outcasted by society in SEA

supple knoll
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Yeah that's what I'm suggesting

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When considering these things its important to think about the ways in which the original claim can be false, and whether any of those ways are plausible

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In this case I'd say its pretty plausible and probably much more likely as an explanation

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It doesn't take that long for a human population to become very short and to naturally select for small size due to food stress

kind agate
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However shorter then 3'7 is indeed very short

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Even if they weren't a completely different species it could be possible to qualify them as a sub species maybe

supple knoll
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I just looked it up and they were probably a different species

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They're a bit of a mystery as they have traits that are "more primitive" than even homo erectus

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Which suggests they broke off the hominin lineage before most examples of homo erectus, otherwise they wouldn't have these traits

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But we don't have other examples of pre-homo erectus remains outside of Africa

kind agate
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Don't we have very few remains of archaic humans I searched it up and found out we have found only about 400-500 distinct neanderthal skeletal remains

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Does the oral traditions of the SEA groups say that the hobbit people have primitive features?

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Because in a short ethnic group you wouldn't really see primitive features

supple knoll
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They'd be more likely to see such groups as demons or something

kind agate
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We can sometimes infer what do they mean

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However I'm not off to the idea that they could have referred to homo flores and our estimates of extinction 50k years ago is quiet wrong

supple knoll
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Its like asking whether these were based on real human populations or just imagined tbh https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nāga

Nāga

In various Asian religious traditions, the Nāgas (Sanskrit: नाग, romanized: Nāga) are a divine, or semi-divine, race of half-human, half-serpent beings that reside in the netherworld (Patala), and can occasionally take human or part-human form, or are so depicted in art. Furthermore, nāgas are also known as dragons and water spirits. A ...

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kind agate
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I remember one of the groups said that they are a different group of humans but they went extinct hundreds of years ago

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We are using just the found skeletal remains and most of it is obviously gone

supple knoll
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The thing is that homo sapiens arrived in the area at the time they went extinct, so were probably part of the cause

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Not via "warfare" but just through resource competition, like being better at foraging, hunting and fishing

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Also the area is volcanic and an eruption could have destroyed enough of their habitat and population to render them non-viable

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Homo sapiens killed so much megafauna too, lol

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We loved hunting massive animals

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Most dangerous hunters that ever lived

kind agate
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Let's assume the homo flores went extinct a few thousand years ago and not 50k even then I think the only way for the oral stories to survive is through admixed populations not pure homo flores

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@supple knoll is there any evidence that humans frequently hunted other humans for food? I think there would be a distinction that ancient humans imposed as other hominid looked similar to them

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But the idea of individuals being "kidnapped" would fit with an idea of starving primitive humans eating other hominins for food when they had no other options

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I don't think there's any fossil evidence of different hominins eating each other actually

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Only the same hominins

kind agate
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It probably happened by sheer statistics

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New research suggest Neanderthals could be just as smart as us but you cannot infer this directly by skull size

supple knoll
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We know skull size does not directly correlate to intelligence yes

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Otherwise whales would be vastly more intelligent and culturally complex than we are

kind agate
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I mean it has been seen though that animals with a larger body to brain ratio tend to be smarter on average but there isn't a hard line a lot of species larger then ours aren't smarter then us

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I think there is some correlation but it depends upon other factors as well

supple knoll
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Certain brain structures are needed

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Otherwise the mind basically just "lives in the moment" without a clear sense of past/future, and no abstract thought

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Certain tendencies in animals like the capacity for vengeance or gratitude (seen in things like tigers and elephants) suggests some understanding of past/future

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Crows are also bizarrely intelligent despite low brain volume

kind agate
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I don't know why but I often have dreams of me being in multiple disabilities this one time I found it difficult to imagine abstract concepts in my dreams and stuttered significantly really made me appreciate when I woke up

supple knoll
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I feel like you can sort of experience what its like to be unintelligent when you're very tired or for brief moments if your brain acts weird

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native rover
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catgirl 5

kind agate
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@supple knoll look at this lmao

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Lol why do people's brains get so fried by learning about Indo-Europeans

kind agate
supple knoll
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kind agate
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Interesting read

kind agate
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@supple knoll What does this scream to you? Complete restrictive-repetitive behaviours I stim often with a rope and make noises in private and don't make eye contact and socially uncomfortable and awkward with people that I don't know much, had echolalia as a child maybe but had normal speech development and possibly hyperlexia as a toddler and really good at anything that has systems and rules but I don't like routines, don't have sensory issues but my thinking style and mood changes significantly depending on the stimuli I frequently switch tasks but don't have issues in adaptability and can deeply focus on a task I like

supple knoll
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I have no idea, I'm not the right person to ask for a diagnosis