Creep hunting (PDF files, peds, EPI, Roblox, Discord)

[storm hemlock]

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[merry yacht]

Fetching relationship counts by type...
MEMBER_OF Relationships: 5,951
FRIENDS_WITH Relationships (directed): 13,360 (Unique pairs: 6,680)
OWNED_BY Relationships: 1,386
DEFINES_ROLE Relationships: 203
SHOUT_POSTED_BY Relationships: 13
scraping script restarted on a vps

[storm hemlock]

That's a lotta fuckin people, christ

[merry yacht]

Fetching relationship counts by type...
MEMBER_OF Relationships: 195,952
FRIENDS_WITH Relationships (directed): 134,654 (Unique pairs: 67,327)
OWNED_BY Relationships: 9,544
DEFINES_ROLE Relationships: 1,081
SHOUT_POSTED_BY Relationships: 90
after running overnight

[merry yacht]

I moved it to a box with better hardware to accelerate data collection

Fetching relationship counts by type...
MEMBER_OF Relationships: 348,347
FRIENDS_WITH Relationships (directed): 259,794 (Unique pairs: 129,897)
OWNED_BY Relationships: 16,544
DEFINES_ROLE Relationships: 1,617
SHOUT_POSTED_BY Relationships: 137

RobloxUser Nodes: 410,186
RobloxGroup Nodes: 16,559

[merry yacht]

@storm star @storm hemlock @neon girder http://34.31.243.72/
hop in and cast a few votes for me. for now I don't have malicious vote detection set up so please if you're gonna vote don't poison my dataset with intentionally wrong votes

[merry yacht]

@midnight sorrel @rose hemlock

[rose hemlock]

that url is a load of numbers

[merry yacht]

i didnt buy a domain yet lol

also

[rose hemlock]

If I don't see anything sus, I assume it's good?

[merry yacht]

if you decide to vote, look at member lists. i believe you have to be logged in to do so but the members lists are often very revealing of the group's purpose

[merry yacht]

yeah, just take a quick peek. if you're not sure, give them the benefit of the doubt and vote not inappropriate

[rose hemlock]

@north dawn What does' join 4 +' mean in roblox group description?

If a group has weird descriptions like

⛓️𝘊𝘈𝘛𝘌𝘕𝘐𝘚 ♱ -------------- ୨赤い糸୧ -------------- -ˋˏ [ just for fun 2024| join 4 +] ˎˊ- -------------- ୨神の鎖୧ -------------- ╭ランク [♰] 𝐿𝑎𝑚𝑒𝑛𝑡 ٫ ⋆ 𝐰𝐬𝐩 [♰] 𝘚𝘪𝘯𝘯𝘦𝘳 ٫ ⋆ 𝟔 𝘸𝘰𝘸 [♰] 𝘒𝘢𝘳𝘮𝘢 ٫ ⋆ 𝟏𝟏 𝘮𝘰𝘯𝘦𝘺 ╰ 私

I would like to not vote, or give it a vote of 0.5.

[north dawn]

Join 4 plus toblox groups

[merry yacht]

That parts still broken lol

[merry yacht]

These are iffy, a lot of inappropriate groups have inscrutable shit like this in desc but also a lot of fine groups have it

[rose hemlock]

They tried to be edgy but put viscous instead of vicous lol

found a sus group. I'm flagging this.

[rose hemlock]

🤯 RULES:
✅ Everyone must follow the rules, including all staff members

-Absolutely NO discrimination!
-Respect everyone's opinions/choices
-No advertising or promoting services
-Put a “⚠️TRIGGER WARNING⚠️” before sensitive topics

[north dawn]

Invite Apollo to this chat

He will help us greatly

[storm hemlock]

The reality is that I bet this group has a lot of creeps in it, but nothing wrong with it on its face... I guess. Does your Q include MAPs? 😑

[north dawn]

It doesn't

Most of the people there are teens

Or preteen probably

[rose hemlock]

It has lots of blank users

[storm hemlock]

What group would you join if you were a man looking for a boy?

[north dawn]

Not any group in roblox

I would go to instagram or tiktok

[storm hemlock]

Yeah, even young kids like talking about dicks and butts and edgy things, that's not much of a tell

[rose hemlock]

"aBubbleButBoy6" is a very sus username

[north dawn]

I am telling you he's a teen

[storm hemlock]

Lol geez, that's another "who knows"

[north dawn]

I tried making one of those names as well

I tried to online date in roblox when I was 9 with other kids

I definitely wasn't an old man

You better search for predators in instagram then in roblox

[rose hemlock]

I think the users without avatars are banned or quit the game

Any guides to symbols? I don't know what if anything a Lotus flower means. I would love to skip voting sometimes and move to other group's pages.

[neon girder]

they included the t in the acronym, so yes, you need to flag it

[storm hemlock]

lol. Nah

[rose hemlock]

They were just weebs

[storm hemlock]

@merry yacht Yeah, can you urgently add just a skip feature? I don't want to be held up on a single one

[neon girder]

u can just reload the page cant you

or is it stateful

[storm hemlock]

didn't check but probably lmfao

wow

derrrrrrrrrr

[rose hemlock]

They had lots of banned members. Refreshing didn't let me skip.

[storm hemlock]

So "bunny" is slang for something I assume

https://www.roblox.com/users/7651424049/profile

I mean, that could also just be mochi 🤔

[merry yacht]

Yeah I've noticed a sad trend of that

LGBT kids are probably especially vulnerable, like if they're in a situation where they can't be out of the closet

[merry yacht]

I tried and I added it broken lol. Gonna fix when I get home

[storm hemlock]

This 1-800-BARBIE group too. most of it just sounds like normal girl names, then there's that one and a banned ADULT ENTERTAINMENT user. So like, I think it's just a group creeps are going to

[merry yacht]

Oh yeah that's another thing

[storm hemlock]

I'll vote up a ton then, I don't like giving inaccurate votes

[merry yacht]

Check the "store" tab

[fiery comet]

Your message has been deleted, sorry!
Next time, try saying something like this instead: A lot of times they'll include items that are intended to make the Roblox avatar appear nude.

trent_k

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[merry yacht]

That's why you probably are seeing a lot of groups about clothing

[storm hemlock]

It looks inappropriate, but also like something kids or teens would do

[merry yacht]

Yeah the clothing groups are often iffy as well

[storm hemlock]

All the outfits are lingerie-ish but this screams "teen". like Y2K fashion, teen slang. just normal hoes lol

[merry yacht]

Just do your best, the consensus mechanism will even things out to roughly where they ought to be imo

Especially once I make it public and get more voters

[north dawn]

@merry yacht what are you gonna do if your daughter says she's gay

[rose hemlock]

what is a spade in roblox?

[north dawn]

Sword

[merry yacht]

Spade refers to the spade symbol on a playing card, which itself is some kind of race fetishism symbol. Almost always black male white female

If you ever see a spade it's nearly 100% chance the group is inappropriate

[rose hemlock]

they said this"This is not a spade group either." In description. it's pretty adult and most of the members are banned.

so I vote sus

[merry yacht]

Sus for sure

[storm hemlock]

sussy af

[rose hemlock]

Can we get a glossary of common bad terms or symbols?

[storm star]

On a google doc or something?

[rose hemlock]

Idk, I was thinking here.

[storm star]

Probably need to be collaborative

I guess but it might get lost in the thread

[rose hemlock]

I see what you mean.

[storm star]

You can have the symbol/word, then the definition, then maybe some notes in smaller font explaining why you think it means that, in cases where it may be unclear or have multiple meanings

[rose hemlock]

Look for "blacked" in store pages.

[merry yacht]

This is a good idea. I'm gonna add something to this later on and see if I can make something searchable so that it'll be more accessible for users who don't know the intricacies of the porn-brained terminology these freaks use

[storm star]

Yeah do it as a database that you can look through I guess

feels like I'm getting a lot of benign stuff, am I missing loads of content if not logged in?

[merry yacht]

I fucked up the nginx config and it thinks we're all the same voter (localhost) so we may have burned through all the bad content for the time being

Gonna fix in a bit when I get home

Once I get that fixed it's going to work on a system where a certain number of unique voters (maybe 5 or 10)will decide the consensus score for the group, at which point it won't be shown to other users

[north dawn]

How's it going chat

[merry yacht]

update

site now works better

looks better

displays stats better

[rose hemlock]

I keep seeing this instead of the group pages. Did the urls change? Maybe they have antiscrape measures coming into effect.

[merry yacht]

oh this is a funny quirk of the roblox api

the roblox api won't allow your browser to view the data for a group that has been banned

but it still records, and will offer that information to anyone who asks

it's just that the frontend has code telling your browser "show the ban message, dont display the info about the group" lmao

if you get one of those, just mark it as inappropriate. must've been something foul at some point

[rose hemlock]

I got 3 innapropriate in a row right now.

[merry yacht]

good, that means the breadth first search is working correctly

the more you vote, the better the scraper is able to direct itself

and the better the scraper is able to direct itself, the more things you'll have to vote on 🙂

[rose hemlock]

Now I have 502 bad gateway

I refreshed and now there's a new error.

[storm star]

wait why are we doing this

You making a PDF content detector?

[merry yacht]

should be fixed now

sorry, was trying to update to add skip lol

broke everything

[merry yacht]

yes. they network with each other and because typical text classification tools have fallen short, I'm treating this as a network search problem

[storm star]

Fair enough

[rose hemlock]

We need a content deleted vote or flagging or manual removal of them. An AI is trained or adjusted off our votes so we don't want to train ai to just pick barebones profiles. If the content is deleted does that mean they are banned by moderation and we don't need the ai to find them?

[merry yacht]

gonna try to implement this today, I need to rewrite some code for scraping because I've logged the user ban info but I didn't realize until you brought it up the other day that I haven't been properly logging the group ban info

[storm star]

Very good point

"Not enough information" might be valid

Or a maybe 5 confidence levels:

• definitely bad
• possibly bad
• not sure/not enough info
• probably fine
• definitely fine

I think there were a few where the theme was furry but I could find no evidence that the group was e-rp or similar, just that they found furry stuff cute

So I would incline towards "probably fine" as there's no direct evidence, but the relationship to sus stuff still existed

[rose hemlock]

How does a previous name get content deleted?

[merry yacht]

A lot of times they name their own groups "content deleted" to trick unattentive moderators into thinking the group has already been closed

[merry yacht]

I like this idea but I think before I do this I need to make a more definitive list of what content I'm looking to classify. In the current state this opens the problem up to a bit too much interpretation. I'm gonna talk to Ruben and see if he can offer some better guidance

[storm star]

At the very least we need "I don't know", because some may have hallmarks of PDF content that are harder to identify, due to not being overt

[merry yacht]

Yeah I'm adding that today. Wanted to add yesterday but I fucked it up

[rose hemlock]

Oh, if there is fake "content deleted" then, "content deleted" is a valid tell. If anything the program will be prone to flagging larger groups over small becuase it's harder to judge and flag inapropriate with less info.

[storm star]

How much time do you spend looking at individual member profiles in small groups?

[rose hemlock]

I look through quite a bit. Sometimes you see quite a few adult ones in some. Some members don't say much.

[merry yacht]

"skip" is now live

also, filtering for the stats page showing all/banned/non-banned groups and users

bought the domain epinetwork.org

[rose hemlock]

typo or were you scammed?

[merry yacht]

ik that trentbot is about to mute me for my explanation of this lol

[merry yacht]

"EPI" stands for "early porn introduction" and it's a pedophile-adjacent fetish that these people almost all have. the fetish element of this is the idea of corrupting something innocent. this is also why you'll find a lot of comingling of fetish content on roblox that you wouldn't expect; e.g. people who are into "gay bears" comingling with people who are into straight raceplay content.

[rose hemlock]

I clicked that url and it was some page about education.

[merry yacht]

oh lmao i made a typo. it's https://epitracker.org/

still working out whatever's currently wrong with cloudflare

[storm star]

I get the excitement someone might have in introducing a romantic partner to a fetish they didn't previously have and making them actually enjoy it with them, although not in that sort of context

[merry yacht]

this is kinda just me spitballing and I don't think there's evidence to support it but to me it feels like late-stage pornbrained behavior

the frequency at which raceplay content comes up makes me think this is some kind of escalation of an addiction that probably started in a much more mundane way

[storm star]

Probably

I mean there are many concerns that people's expectations of sex are warped by situations they see in pornography, even when those situations were clearly not representative of real life and are pretty wooden scripted encounters

The more dangerous things are stuff like erotic choking as many people don't realise the risks involved and the importance of getting clear consent for doing it before trying

Lots of women tell stories of being abruptly choked by their boyfriends like this, with no prior warning or indication that he was interested in doing so - many such cases

[north dawn]

Lots of?

This is concerning really

[north dawn]

Good think i have never watched porn

[north dawn]

Agree

[north dawn]

Of

[merry yacht]

https://epitracker.org/ domain is working now

[rose hemlock]

I'm seeing the same groups as before. I don't have a different ip to before.

[merry yacht]

fixed, thank you

[merry yacht]

over 1m users' data scraped now

[merry yacht]

Rapidly approaching 2m

[merry yacht]

2m barrier passed. Optimizations go brrrrrrrrrr

[merry yacht]

@neon girder

pipe("""Username: Dadamsorry. DisplayName: am sleepy. Description: N/A. Created: N/A. VerifiedBadge: False. Groups: (Total: 4)""")
[{'label': 'GOOD_USER', 'score': 0.9968697428703308}]
pipe("""Username: Dadamsorry. DisplayName: am sleepy. Description: N/A. Created: N/A. VerifiedBadge: False. Groups: (Total: 4) [[ Content Deleted 33849843 ]""")
[{'label': 'BAD_USER', 'score': 0.9962355494499207}]

[neon girder]

what type of classifier is this

how does it work

[merry yacht]

classification layer on top of mpnet but like, all the weights were tuned for this, not just base mpnet + classifier layer on top

[neon girder]

nice

[merry yacht]

trained w autotrain's text classification option. very fast, very easy

rn the problem is really lack of data

I need more votes

might open this up to the Kiwi Farms ppl publicly soon

[neon girder]

also, switch to gte-base when u retrain it next time

its a lot better than mpnet

[merry yacht]

good idea

do u know off the top of ur head what the param count for both is like

eh

[neon girder]

yeah

[merry yacht]

not like it matters both are tiny enough to fit into mem on a shit tier device anyway

[neon girder]

small: 30m
base: 100m
large: 400m

whats the param count for mpnet, like 80m?

[merry yacht]

looks like 109m after the classification layer was added

https://huggingface.co/trentmkelly/autotrain-roblox-1

[rose hemlock]

I don't know about that, I am seeing bunny queens with the spade card again.

[merry yacht]

there's a separate issue I'm trying to fix but I think what you're describing might be that your IP changed. all votes are recorded on a per-IP basis

[rose hemlock]

Unless I voted on every group and it's going full circle

[merry yacht]

no there's now 97k groups, it's probably an IP change issue

but I need to adjust the algo anyway

hold up ill try to change it now and see if i can do so without fucking my entire code up

[neon girder]

how many entries did u have in the dataset

[merry yacht]

Cypher queries are such an enormous pain in the ass

[rose hemlock]

I checked with my location site and it's the same location. There's no reason for my ip to change.

[merry yacht]

1316, with a 50/50 split of good/bad user nodes

this is just a test run

like I said I need way more data

[rose hemlock]

unless I have browser extension interfering, i'll look through them.

[merry yacht]

hold on nouser lemme go try fixing the issue with this

[neon girder]

maybe try to finetune it on a synthetic dataset of all the slang they use

[rose hemlock]

maybe it was ghostery extension💀

[merry yacht]

see that's the hard part tho lol, I don't have a ton of data for the slang they use

[rose hemlock]

idk

[merry yacht]

no, the site uses no cookies whatsoever. it's almost definitely that, for whatever reason, your IP changed. not like, your location even, just your IP changing

[rose hemlock]

Ghostery say it has anti tracking and anti blocking. I downloaded my ip adress from a site and I can do that later and see if it changes.

[merry yacht]

holy shit is the scraper faster now

soon it'll be at 3m users

couple indices on the db made an enormous difference

[rose hemlock]

Ghostery doesn't hide ip

I noticed when people talked about groups it was always a group I was seeing at about the same time.

[merry yacht]

what?

[neon girder]

what did you change lol

[rose hemlock]

When people discussed groups in here they talked abou the last group I saw

[merry yacht]

had to ask gemini for a bunch of help working out good indices

insertion queries are now way faster than before

[rose hemlock]

I opened a new firefox window and the ip was the same as earlier.

[merry yacht]

@neon girder damn son

97%|█████████▋| 38/39 [00:01<00:00, 24.06it/s]INFO | 2025-05-15 20:44:41 | autotrain.trainers.common:on_log:367 - {'eval_loss': 0.0007459631306119263, 'eval_f1': 1.0, 'eval_precision': 1.0, 'eval_recall': 1.0, 'eval_auc': 1.0, 'eval_accuracy': 1.0, 'eval_runtime': 1.6522, 'eval_samples_per_second': 374.043, 'eval_steps_per_second': 23.605, 'epoch': 3.0}

validation dataset got absolutely rekt

5560 lines in train set, 618 lines in validation

100% acc on both

[neon girder]

is ur dataset completely trivial?

100% val acc is pretty nice tho

post a few entries

[merry yacht]

it's the sort of thing that's very difficult for a non fine tuned model but reasonably easy for any human. at least, any human who understands the various categories of weird porn lol

[neon girder]

so yeah llms can detect it well as i thought

[merry yacht]

{"text": "Username: blackDMust. DisplayName: BlackChum. Description: N/A. Created: N/A. VerifiedBadge: False. Groups: (Total: 9) [Official Black Bulls (Members: 3280, Role: Regimental Recruit), Goddess Stella (Members: 3159, Role: Awaiting Role), - The Q Family - (Members: 2371, Role: Initiation Phase 1 (Initial Screening)), sincerely, lgbtq+ (Members: 2361, Role: \ud83d\udd03 | Pending), _\u00a2\u03b1\u2113\u03bd\u03b9\u03b7_\u043a\u2113\u0454\u03b9\u03b7_ (Members: 2328, Role: Miembro), ~LOVE THE VIBES~ (Members: 2128, Role: \u270ePlanning...), - Sovereignty Queens ~ (Members: 2030, Role: \ud83c\udf3e| Villager), M.F. - \uffb6\uff77\u308a\u308a\u4e02 (Members: 1764, Role: \u10e6 - \u24bb\ud835\udc00\u24dd\u0e23), SnowBunnyCREW (Members: 529, Role: Member)]. Friends: (Total: 2) [dylanhagav1975 (Dylanhagav1975_emily), not_pg1 (alt2)].", "target": "BAD_USER"}

"black d must" 💀

{"text": "Username: Toilet4queens5. DisplayName: Toilet4queens5. Description: N/A. Created: N/A. VerifiedBadge: False. Groups: (Total: 7) [[ Content Deleted 33849843 ] (Members: 5509, Role: [\ud83d\ude33] Members), B4dd1es_4ever (Members: 3662, Role: Miembro), unclosed (Members: 3574, Role: \u2729Fresh\u2729), Goddess Stella (Members: 3159, Role: Awaiting Role), |6sault\u2019s Crew| (Members: 2564, Role: orphan), - The Q Family - (Members: 2371, Role: Initiation Phase 1 (Initial Screening)), [ Content Deleted 7146011 ] (Members: 2243, Role: Member)]. Friends: (Total: 2) [DariaUwUgaming1 (Daria), Djisthatgirl09 (ILOVMESTICKS)].", "target": "BAD_USER"}

"toilet for queens" lmfao

[neon girder]

lmaooooooo. 100% acc on this is not that easy, so thats pretty nice

god, embeddings are so fucking op

[merry yacht]

yeah this is working incredible

I need to get a better setup for dumping data

I worry there may still be some contamination

however, this is extremely promising initial results

[merry yacht]

@neon girder run #3, this time using only usernames and display names, to avoid contamination and also to force the model to work harder

Validation Metrics

loss: 0.5645052194595337

f1: 0.7138364779874213

precision: 0.6376404494382022

recall: 0.8107142857142857

auc: 0.7929416023166023

accuracy: 0.6840277777777778

not great

run #4, same thing, but with more data

Validation Metrics

loss: 0.47063738107681274

f1: 0.7581284694686756

precision: 0.7539432176656151

recall: 0.7623604465709729

auc: 0.8481705070430519

accuracy: 0.7552166934189406

scaling is looking really promising for this

and also I did runs 3 and 4 on gte-base

[storm hemlock]

Lol thank you. My work bans Roblox so I can't check those on VPN lmfao. I'll look a bit this weekend

[storm hemlock]

I think that's true of a lot of these addictions and rabbit holes, including ahem "young content" viewers. There's a subset that aren't organically just like that in the head and start spiraling down with content, corn industry's focus on some related "directions" does not help, I imagine. Same with cinwest content, there's gotta be just a taboo thing in part

The race play and cuckoldry shit is exceptionally weird to me, and I was non-monogamous! I was "fine" with it and my girlfriend liked hearing some details, but I absolutely did not want to know, much less get off on it. Fucking gross

Race play I literally do not understand, even in conceot, and the idea makes me profoundly uncomfortable. I guess I could have AI explain it. It seems extremely foreign and rooted in abuse or social obsessions. Like our society is obsessed with race in this creepy way, so it reflects there I guess. That's one of very few benign interests I don't think I'd be comfortable indulging at all

I never thought about it this way, but the whole trans kids movement seems profoundly homophobic. A lot of those are just little gay or bi kids, and you're fucking their head up by saying "no, your whole body is actually broken, you're not gay and you're actually a straight woman trapped in a guy's body. Better take the drugs freak"

I heard an interview with a gay guy talking about it and I'm just like "holy shit, that's entirely legit". Mind blown son

Thank u for coming to my cornbrain Ted tslk

[merry yacht]

there was a fascinating video I watched about this on YouTube a while back

basically, if you hop on a new IP, go into a fresh browser, no login, and you start watching videos of sexy dancing on YouTube

since, you know, some boomer tier retards like to 'ack off to youtube videos

the recommendation algorithm will very quickly start serving you younger... and younger... and younger content

until you're getting served home movies of random children whose parents didnt understand the difference between unlisted and public setting on the video

ik i say it constantly but recommendation algorithms are truly satanic

[merry yacht]

now the raceplay thing, I think that's something to do with the social issues we have surrounding race. not to sound like an annoying lib here but I think most raceplay content is kinda racist. the framing isn't always blatant (but sometimes is blatant) but the subtext to all of it is "civilized woman ravaged by savages"

with th 'cest content, I have a theory about that

it's a combination both of recommendation algorithms, but also of 'ography studios trying to basically do SEO

you don't need to do anything especially weird to make a 'cest video, you just add a couple spoken lines at the beginning to set the scene. "oh step brother what are you doing?!"
it's algo-maxxing. it's another category box they can tick that costs them basically nothing to do and can increase the reach of their videos

[merry yacht]

I agree. it kinda strikes a chord with me cause I was a socially stunted weirdo with long hair as a boy myself lol. I think I just got lucky and missed the window of opportunity where there might have otherwise been some well-meaning but libbed out brain melted guidance councelor telling me that i must be trans

[storm star]

Yeah I think its about the "savage" thing too

In the early internet or even pre-internet there was a lot of content that was basically like "earnest but naive explorer woman gets kidnapped by tribesmen, they have their way with her" reframed to a variety of different niches

I think that frames the fantasy better for some, although just the idea of a petite blonde white woman and 5 strong black men together is enough for many

It takes a lot of effort but I tried to basically "game the algo" when writing erotica stories, I looked at popular tags and then tried to make a synthesis of the various concepts that seemed universal to them all, avoided concepts that seem less popular

And as expected got showered in favourites and view numbers for that one story

You could probably find other conceptual groups by relationship mapping all the tags although idk if its possible to scrape it out of the site

I just started with "lesbians" and then tried to find as many related concepts that aren't likely to be a turn off for the general audience

idk how you would do a relationship map that found likely "turned off by" relationships for people who like another concept

Instead of just "also likes"

And how you would visualise that

[merry yacht]

this is how some recommendation algorithms work actually

like the roblox network exploration, you can treat recommendation as a network exploration problem

when a user likes/favorites something the connection between the user node and each of the tag nodes for that story increases

eventually you build enough connections and you can confidently say that someone who likes one tag will like another tag

or conversely, dislike another tag

[storm star]

Indeed, but my concern is that there is a different between "indifferent to" and "turned off by" that you can't infer from just a "pressed like button" and "didn't press like button" dichotomy

Unless you infer it from "we expected them to press like on this one due to similarity, but they didn't" which might be shaky

As they may have just missed it or got distracted

Or the issue was with quality of writing rather than themes

[merry yacht]

depending how densely you pack the set of relationships you can learn more than you'd expect

e.g. instead of just connecting the user and the tag nodes, connect the user to the tags, to the authors, to the story itself, and so on

[storm star]

Identity of author must matter yeah

As this site lets people follow authors

And authors can be a proxy for writing style

[merry yacht]

I wish I could get more like/dislike data for one of my projects and build a recommender like this

the trentbot social graph is cool but doesn't tell you a whole lot about what people like, aside from their associations to various servers

[storm star]

Can you scan servers for their core topics?

I assume a short snapshot wont help, but maybe you can get a broader view and factor in stuff like channel names

[merry yacht]

well, I guess revising my previous statement, I wish I could get data like this and then do something useful with it

I'm sure rn I could throw something together that would work, but it's of questionable value

[storm star]

You'd need a long running sentiment analysis and other shit on my private server to work out what its for

[merry yacht]

maybe at some point I'll start a competitor to disboard or something. not like I'm short of data for it

[storm star]

Use case is probably discovery yeah, or possibly also letting people know when servers touch on topics they said they dislike

Someone might have arachnophobia and the server discusses spiders

[merry yacht]

hahahahahaha getting a DM from trentbot that says "WARNING: They're talking about anime in #💬off-topic again"

[storm star]

Actually, is it too complicated to make custom topic bans?

I assume you'd need to train per use case for it to be efficient

There must be people who want to be able to ban "discussion of the Israel/Palestine conflict" in broad terms and can't easily do it via banned words/phrases

As people just start using workarounds

[merry yacht]

the issue with prompting for this, and ive tried on basically every model

is that topics the model thinks are generally unacceptable will always get marked as a violation even if the listed rules dont talk about it

well, and also the price. but that's a whole other thing

[storm star]

What about using a different framing

In which its just "this appears to be a reference to the israel/palestine conflict"

And no discussion of moderation or value judgement

Didn't instruct manage to achieve something similar with memory?

[merry yacht]

I've tried that but that introduces the new issue in that you have to either
a) explain to users of the bot that they need to frame their rule list for trentbot in a particular way
or
b) pass it through a second layer of LLM to convert the normal rule list into the non-value judgement list
and neither is ideal

with a) you must remember the user is always a retard lol

[storm star]

I would have assumed b yeah

[merry yacht]

with b) it's a lossy process that runs the risk of misunderstanding, sometimes catastrophically

[storm star]

Most probably you'd need to pre-define certain custom detections and allow people to request new ones for broadly applicable use cases

Not "no talking about GPT-6's recent experience with a ladyboy in thailand"

[merry yacht]

--- Top Potentially Malicious Voters (Min 3 votes on consensus items) ---
IP Address           | Malicious Score    | Dissenting Votes   | Total Consensus Votes 
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
2603:8000:3d3d:c90b:e169:4d25:6a41:f73 | 4.4561             | 4                  | 4                     
2a02:a45d:f305:0:55a5:e8d9:c621:5f5 | 3.6979             | 3                  | 3                     
135.19.47.63         | 3.5800             | 12                 | 12                    
138.199.43.95        | 3.5080             | 8                  | 8                     

automatic detection of intentional incorrect voting

[neon girder]

75% is actually pretty good for a task like this
upload the dataset to hf, i want to see i can get a higher accuracy

[merry yacht]

dont wanna upload to hf yet, not done cookin

[storm hemlock]

I think it's mostly "annoying libs" that are into it actually, it's racist as fuck in a way that viscerally grosses me out, and in the way that racial essentialist ideology is racist af.

Just like how some of the most libtarded girl power gfs I've had were into really aggressive male-female bedroom dynamics, it's based on something they've internalized and are, in some way, pushing back against or rejecting

[storm hemlock]

I mean, I was a "sorta" weirdo. I had a ton of friends, and kind of hung out with a group of cool kids, though I was the weird, smart one among them.

I sometimes hung out with but couldn't take the "nerd herd" as they called themselves 🤮 in more than limited doses.

But yeah, I was probably worse – all of my closest friends were girls, I explicitly envied female-female relationships, I have a tenuous identity in general. I made a fake female online identity before that was cool to see what those relationships looked like and was crushed by the results. If I wasn't aphantasic I bet I'd have had a rich internal fantasy that carried over to a female self image, but luckily I have just a bunch of nonsense in my head

Also, I'm pretty damn straight and have a fairly sizable eggplant, so the proposition of being trans is just, like, a bad deal on its face. And I became medically trained (mostly for my own sake). Most people think that surgeries and hormone treatments "pretty much work" and they absolutely do not. It's a total last resort if you can't treat gender dysphoria any other way

But a bunch of regards with zero science background and sociology grad degrees had years spent beating into their heads that identity is everything.

I would have been ABSOLUTELY fucked today I think, because if you told me "you need to suppress your puberty and decide to be a girl now or you'll break your body forever", I would have almost certainly taken that deal as a very young kid

It's beyond evil to be doing that shit and the data shows explicitly bad outcomes. You're helping a tiny minority of difficult-to-select youth and harming most of those for whom you block puberty.

Harming kids that way to pathologically confirm your own ideology, to me, is one of those "they can't torture you badly enough for me to think it's inhumane" type of offenses

[neon girder]

agree

they are going to send you slurs for saying this

[storm hemlock]

they threatened to ruin my life and career on Facebook once, actually. A bunch of transmissions decided to track me down because I said "uh calling people 'cissy' is an obvious insult", except I said it in a much more pussyish way.

Then you had all the "YOU CAN'T INSULT OPPRESSORS WITH POWER" bullshit

guess what bitch, we just remembered we do have power. cancel deez nuts you dumb dysgenic pile of human refuse

[midnight sorrel]

what does it say

I wonder how similar you find ukrainian to russian, like if u can understand it

[merry yacht]

it's a recruitment poster for the ukrainian military, seeking men 18-24

it has the payment you'll receive converted to robux

fight the russians and you could get 33 million robux 🤯 🤯 🤯

[merry yacht]

polish and ukrainian both make me feel like im reading russian while having a stroke lol

[midnight sorrel]

🤑

[merry yacht]

joining roblox and not just getting groomed, but getting groomed by a man who has killed dozens 💀

[storm hemlock]

Ooh so men seeking men? Nice ♂️

[merry yacht]

I've just deployed the first version of the classifier. At about 80% acc it's not perfect but it's good enough to at least be a participant in the voting system. Anyone who scores more than 0.8 BAD_USER from the classifier had a vote automatically cast indicating all their groups are "bad". This has raised the total vote count from 4,836 all-human votes to a new total of 46,641 votes
Because the classifier's score can only cast 1 vote per group, it can't mark any groups as fully bad - all this will do is elevate the groups so they can get more attention from the human voters

[storm star]

I'm going to try voting again, can you pin the link inside the thread?

[merry yacht]

https://epitracker.org/

[merry yacht]

pinned, thanks

some of the shit that the classifier found that the human voters didn't is fucking vile

like actually worse than the stuff before

people straight up offering to trade 'ild 'ography in their bio texts

[storm star]

fucc

First one I checked seems to be a sort of "e-girl" style thing, didnt look sus but I'm wondering if there are hidden cues I'm missing

Need to get a better sense of "normal" in my own head

[merry yacht]

just hit unsure if you're unsure. it doesn't fuck up the scores in either direction, and of course there's plenty of stuff either of us wouldn't recognize

[storm star]

It seemed 99% benign

Just wondering what I should expect to see, there's a lot of subculture stuff

[merry yacht]

stuff to look for:

• any mention of TOS = automatically bad. "we follow TOS here!" is just them trying to be coy
• spade symbols like on a playing card = bad. raceplay stuff
• bunch of "BigBrownBull" type users in the group list probably means something bad
• furry stuff isn't automatically bad, but a lot of times, it is bad if you look closely
• any ROT13, Morse code, binary, etc in the description is almost always bad. you can decode it if you want but I've never seen it not be bad

[storm star]

wtf is a "wedge" or a "bypass wedge"

[merry yacht]

im not sure what "wedge" means but anything talking about a "bypass" is almost always bad too

roblox has a very poor classifier in place to block "nude" clothing items

[storm star]

What does "bull" mean on its own?

[merry yacht]

bull refers to cuckold fetishes, generally associated with raceplay fetish groups

[storm star]

wedge seems to signify nearly nude items?

Unless its just the name of a creator

[merry yacht]

I'd call that one bad probably

these ones are iffy

[storm star]

Its a group that the one i saw is linked to

[merry yacht]

kids wear swimsuits, and roblox might not even ban this type of content. feels very sinister to me though

[storm star]

this follows the same understanding of "wedge"

Like the waistband of underwear rising above the trousers

Yeah I think they most moderate out "thong" and "wedge" is their chosen euphemism

How about we write up posts on certain euphemisms and you can pin them to the thread?

Clothing euphemisms:

• "wedge" likely means "thong" or similar, a way to talk about revealing underwear without hitting filters (Inappropriate)

[merry yacht]

trentbot, ols had a good idea in here. review the contents of #1370427703223783629 and write up a list of the euphemisms bad roblox users use to avoid filters that we've already discussed here

[fiery comet]

Here are the main euphemisms and “code words” we’ve already spotted in this thread that bad actors use to slip past Roblox’s filters:

1. “wedge” (or “bypass wedge”)
   • Used in place of “thong” or other revealing underwear to talk about near-nude assets.

2. “bull” (and variants like “BigBrownBull”)
   • Cuckold/race-play fetish shorthand.

3. Spade symbols (♠)
   • Another race-play indicator, often combined with “bull.”

4. “ild ’ography”
   • Disguised form of “child pornography.”

5. “bypass”
   • General tag to imply “we’re skipping the filter,” e.g. “bypass wedge.”

6. ROT13, Morse code, binary in descriptions
   • Encoding text so the filter can’t see the real message unless decoded.

7. “we follow TOS here!”
   • False reassurance—used to pretend content is compliant when it isn’t.

8. “furry”
   • Sometimes used as a blanket term to mask sexual or fetish content.

—Honestly, it’s gross how creative they get to hide this stuff.

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[storm star]

Looks like you need to scan more messages than 100

[merry yacht]

yeah its probably gonna fuck it up

[merry yacht]

not bad tbh

[storm star]

Symbols:

• Spade symbols (♠) are a raceplay indicator, and can indicate fetish content (Inappropriate)

[merry yacht]

Oh yeah, forgot to post this. this is just a chunk of what the classifier found. decode if you want. it's really fucking gross (but to be clear, it doesn't contain or link directly to anything that is illegal on its own, though it does discuss such content)

[merry yacht]

@neon girder

[merry yacht]

Oh yeah, hearts are for some reason too. I'm not sure exactly like, the etymology (?) of the symbol, but I've seen it in quite a few raceplay-related groups

[storm star]

I'd break it up into themes like "symbols", "codewords", "suspicious claims", "fetish cultures"

[merry yacht]

"Queen of Hearts" specifically I've seen several times

[storm star]

https://www.roblox.com/communities/35684621/unnamed#!/about hearts here too, I flagged it at inappropriate due to bypass wedge

[merry yacht]

also, not sure how to discuss this without it coming off as homophobic

but a lot of the LGBT related groups I've seen are outright inappropriate

my suspicion is that the groomers on discord recognize that many children who may join those groups are feeling socially isolated and that's why

[storm star]

I could have a go at explaining but I suspect Trentbot will kill me if I try

[merry yacht]

anyway, I'd say look at those with a bit more suspicion than you normally might treat such a group with. sad but necessary in this case

[storm star]

I can think of another reason to do with the groomers' own backgrounds

A lot of lonely adult gay men may have had formative experiences when they were younger which they want to relive, and have never had healthy relationships in adulthood

[merry yacht]

true

oh yeah, that made me think of another thing

although I'd imagine there probably are innocuous groups on Roblox with terms like these in the group titles/descriptions, anything related to parenting, daycare, etc should be viewed very suspiciously

[storm star]

I'm wondering whether to mention this sort of stuff at work as I'm getting roped into to defining how tuning processes work since most people don't seem to be able to grapple the issue properly

[merry yacht]

farts too. ofc I can see some 10 year old making a group called "funny farts" but a lot of fart-related groups are obviously fetish content when you look at them for a moment

[storm star]

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🥵

[merry yacht]

be careful if you do lol. I've tried explaining the problems on roblox to people i know irl and it's like 50/50 whether they get it or whether you come off looking like a fucking crazy person

[storm star]

I'm usually good at setting the scene, they want someone to present on how AI tools can help to enhance cybersecurity processes and that probably has to be me

[merry yacht]

I wondered when this would start showing up in the logs

I found this last time when I was doing all the classification manually

whole massive cluster of sometimes but not always furry themed "gay bear" type content

[storm star]

Their store items are all speedos

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[merry yacht]

lmfao these picturres bro

come on

jesus

[storm star]

BARA-HUB is a locked group

So idk if it was already shut down for being sus

[merry yacht]

I'm not really that aware of what other reasons a roblox group might be shut down for other than groomer related stuff

I mean given the context in this case I can make a pretty good guess about this one lol

but generally I think if Roblox locked it it must be pretty bad, cause look at all the stuff they don't lock

[storm star]

Yeah there's a cluster of ones that offer "clothing for buff men"

Tbh if I see stuff like that then its getting marked inappropriate lol

[merry yacht]

there's something about the gay fetish content that I've noticed

it seems to like, take advantage of the fact that it's generally somewhat socially acceptable for men to be shirtless, or generally socially positive for men to be in good shape. these things aren't immediately indicative of the fetish content they're pushing in the way that the raceplay stuff does

[storm star]

I did find a non sexual furry one

What's your read on ones that have a lot of deactivated accounts in their user list? https://www.roblox.com/communities/35626458/sacramentalia#!/about

[merry yacht]

even from the non-deactivated I'd probably lean sus on this one. but in general if i see tons of banned accounts on the list, I lean sus for that too

[storm star]

Yeah I say sus

[merry yacht]

similar to group bans, you look at all the people not banned by roblox, so the ones who got banned must've been even worse

[storm star]

Yeah this is open and shut lmao https://www.roblox.com/communities/35708333/Bleached-Society#!/store

[merry yacht]

christ

[storm star]

Wedges in the store

[merry yacht]

come to think of it

this group has some spanish on the wall posts

I've seen some overlap between english and spanish content

but I haven't seen any Russians yet. I wonder why?

[storm star]

Maybe lack of overlapping language skills so they steer clear of mixed groups

☆ SWF ONLY!!! YOU WILL BE BANNED IF YOUR IN A ACE/SPADE GROUP!!! ☆

Interesting, so there's a clear understanding that ace or spade groups mean sexual content

Enough that people are enforcing that themselves

But yeah I think this classifier may end up inadvertently homophobic due to the large number of gay bear groups getting swept up

[merry yacht]

this has already been a problem for another similar project

[storm star]

Group for people who have +15y/o pls!!!

Unusual age specification

[merry yacht]

the one youtuber who covers this extensively, Ruben Sim

he made a bot on discord that mapped the connection between roblox users and discord user IDs

then made a system where you could automatically ban known ERPers from your server

the idea was to make it so you could at least kind of protect a Discord server that revolves around a Roblox community

Discord ended up banning the bot account and his personal account for something about 'targeting protected classes' or some shit

[storm star]

smh

[merry yacht]

dont wanna sound too conspiratorial but like

they clearly looked into it enough that they could gather it was banning a lot of gay people

why didnt they look into it far enough to determine what its purpose was and where it was being used

bit sus imo

[storm star]

https://www.roblox.com/communities/35536409/Fun-games-4u#!/about I think this is fart fetish content?

The pfp shows an anime character who is known for smelling bad

[merry yacht]

fucking hell

oh yeah, look at the Shout post

"working on new frp game"

I'm gonna hop on an alt and join the linked discord

[storm star]

4 content deleted experiences

Maybe navigate through the listed users, see if it links to other fart fetish content

The main user role is "gassy"

[merry yacht]

requires discord account verification through some shady bot. not happenin ❌

I guess it'll stay a mystery whats in there but I think I can guess

[merry yacht]

the raceplay stuff is disgusting in its own right with the audience these people are trying to target, but the fart stuff is really shocking. I'm quite surprised how many of them there are

[storm star]

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Not one I got served but affiliated to it, not even sure what to make of this

https://www.roblox.com/communities/33390662/cute-morgue#!/about

[merry yacht]

these ones you gotta look at the clothing items generally. kinda strange but also not unlike the sort of thing an edgy kid would write up

[storm star]

Yeah I think its just a goth aesthetic, sort of Wednesday Addams shit

[storm star]

I don't have access to some of the info due to not being logged in, was still evidently fart fetish lol

This is clearly suspicious, several affiliates are locked, I guess "floofs" or some other key terms signify something e-rp related https://www.roblox.com/communities/33839103/fl-ofs#!/about

https://www.instagram.com/middnightly/

Claims to be a fan club of this, look at the bio

ahhahahahaha

[merry yacht]

looked through the members list and found this absolute mutant

[storm star]

There's a cluster here seemingly for black girls https://www.roblox.com/communities/35651737/HARAJUKETTE#!/affiliates

One affiliate is called "only brownies" and the clothing seems to reference black pop culture a lot

Hmm its "trap" culture I guess?

Not even hiding it https://www.roblox.com/communities/13458682/farting-groups#!/about

[merry yacht]

im really not sure what to make of this one. but i did have a good laugh at this member of their group's pic

[storm star]

lol

There seems to be a lot of intersection with SFW furry groups, black culture groups and LGBT groups

So I think being discerning on any of those is important

This community group is for players that are part of the REAL fart community. If I find out you're anti fart or friends with any anti fart people, I will not hesitate to ban you.

Oh. Also, fish is definitely the one taking down the fart games, but at the same time, he's helping us.

Oh and here are some rules (READ THEM CAREFULLY, CUZ YOU REALLY NEED IT):

1. If you hate the fart community, this group isn't for you.
2. No kids either. If I find out you're a kid, we won't hesitate to ban you.
3. Do not advertise fart rp in this group, because it may cause thos group to go on locked, so if it does happen, it's your fault. If you want to frp with people so badly, put it in your bio and just say "read my bio." Simple. If you are creating a "game," just friend me and let me know, but again, no advertising frp here.
4. Behave and don't be so beefy here.

[merry yacht]

I've noticed the furries seem to be a little bit more cautious than other groups

I'm not sure what to make of this observation

there are a lot of things I think look very suspicious within the furry groups but they're not outright fetish content

I can't quite tell whether this is me misunderstanding general furry culture or if it's them toeing the line more closely than the outright fetish groups

[merry yacht]

lmao REAL fart community ONLY

[storm star]

There's a clear thematic distinction between groups offering somewhat revealing (eg. crop tops, underwear) that are targeted at girls, and ones that are targeted at men interested in roleplaying with "girls"

[merry yacht]

looking at the wall posts for this group

[storm star]

Here's another dubious one - no store/affiliates to go off, can't directly find sus content but there might be sussy stuff on the wall. Name of group is very sus

https://www.roblox.com/communities/32423385/Boy-liker#!/about

[storm star]

Yeah it seems they're promoting a workaround to avoid getting banned for advertising frp

[merry yacht]

jesus posting got a good laugh outta me
seems like that guy at the bottom is saying they were reported for being 'edos or something

[storm star]

Maybe I should make an account to see this

[merry yacht]

yeah, no email required either. ezpz

[storm star]

Found a diaper fetish one

[merry yacht]

pic of a guy i found earlier. there's a lot of overlap between furry and diaper groups and idk why

https://www.roblox.com/communities/3331780/The-Horse-Saddles#!/store

this one is really sad

from the list of high role members and from the store page it looks like this group was probably created for innocent purposes, but the member list at the entry role is full of fetish accounts

[storm star]

Yeah that must suck

I just got it on my queue too

Is that appropriate or inappropriate then?

[merry yacht]

I think i voted appropriate on that group but it really could go either way

[storm star]

I voted appropriate too

I'll stop for now but some interesting clusters there

Definitely seems to be a lot of "horse" content, of varying types

[neon girder]

hahahaha holy shit this is crazy

[merry yacht]

just posted an update to the web interface https://epitracker.org/

it now shows classifier outputs

despite only getting ~80% acc it did a great job

[storm star]

The morse code outputs are always depraved

[merry yacht]

yeah they're really bad

the classifier did a great job identifying them

most of these people weren't already marked as participants in a lot of bad groups

[storm star]

MIKU THE BEST OF ALL JUST SO YOU KNOW

First morse one that isn't something sickening

[rose hemlock]

@merry yacht what about bunnies? I see so many users and clothes with bunny in the names. In the case of clothes they sometimes had bunnies on them which probably means nothing then.

[merry yacht]

oh yeah, that's part of the race play stuff

"bunny" is shorthand for "snow bunny" which means a white woman who prefers black men

trying to phrase it so trentbot doesnt delete lol

[rose hemlock]

So we have:
"stuff in trentbot's message i can't quote

Bunnies

women into/with blacks,

Bull

Black men in race fetish context

'Content deleted' in previous group names.
"
What else do we need in a basic guide? Honestly, with enough tells I wonder if there's a cheap AI that can analyse groups. Scraping can be awkward for some interfaces though. Like I tried using a workflow site to scrape with jina and it would miss product reviews that weren't page 1.

[merry yacht]

refresh the page, I added some stuff to a glossary in the "about" section based on this conversation

also, if you refresh and check the stats page, I've updated that too. it now has a list of users based on how bad my custom classifier thinks they are

appears to be working well

[storm star]

@merry yacht I think I found another identifying sign

One group has a load of random admins who all seem to be wearing shirts with a slice of cheese pizza

All of them have no links to other friends/groups

It seems to be a free item offered directly by Roblox, idk if you have to manually select it to wear it

https://www.roblox.com/communities/35557253/B4D-G1RL#!/about look at their admins

[merry yacht]

Makes sense with the whole "cheese pizza" thing. Fucking freaks think they're so funny

[storm star]

I think I've found a vore one now

Seems like "nom" is a preferred term, they use a lot of variants to typical vore terminology

"feeder/feedee" in the shout box

[neon girder]

it probably is coy enough that they wouldnt be banned for it unfortunately

[storm star]

Although "pred/prey" also present

https://www.roblox.com/communities/35405292/glup-nom-ov#!/about this seems to be a small vore group, it becomes more obvious if you look into member profiles and see their other servers

[storm star]

Yeah and its official content so being banned for wearing it would be absurd

[storm star]

And yeah its clear what "cheese pizza" really means

https://www.roblox.com/communities/7832604/no-socks#!/about suspect this one is foot fetish

[rose hemlock]

Do cherries mean anything? I feel like I saw shirts like this in sus groups before.

[storm star]

A cherry can refer to a girl's virginity in certain contexts, you might need more information to determine whether that's what they mean

Btw some morse code ones are encoded again in caesar cipher

I found one with a shift of 3

https://cryptii.com/pipes/caesar-cipher

[rose hemlock]

What about blood on shirts, i feel like thats a virginity reference now you brought up the cherry.

[storm star]

Can you link the group?

[rose hemlock]

https://www.roblox.com/communities/35557253/B4D-G1RL#!/store

https://www.roblox.com/catalog/91007160449604/Cute and shirt

[storm star]

Ah I already marked that inappropriate due to its ties to cheese pizza enthusiasts

Can't figure out what the shirt is meant to mean, possible there was text at the top which is censored

[neon girder]

@storm star @merry yacht https://www.roblox.com/communities/8281655/Kids-United#!/about lmfao holy shit

the role names tell me that this is certainly 'edophilic

[storm star]

❌I know this group looks sus but I will not allow anything to happen. And if bad stuff comes in the group wall I will turn it off!❌

[neon girder]

Kids-pre teens~ teens

hahaha what the fuck

[storm star]

Is that the largest cheese pizza enthusiast group we've come across yet?

[neon girder]

probably not but i havent been keeping track

[rose hemlock]

Are there false positives coming up now? I'm looking at this "no socks" group, and there's no store, mundane description and pic. The member names look innoucous to me. The only thing I can see is 30-40% of members are inactive or banned. But the group was rated 0.8 something.

[neon girder]

could "no socks" be a euphemism tho?

[storm star]

Its foot fetish

[neon girder]

lmfao

[storm star]

Look at the wall, loads of people asking to rp

[rose hemlock]

What wall?

[neon girder]

i think you need to have a roblox account to see the wall

[storm star]

Make an account, you can do it in 10 secs no email

Lets you see comments on the group

often massive giveaway

It's a "via negativa" name, its defining itself by what its not

"no socks" --> "bare feet"

[rose hemlock]

I uninstalled roblox ages ago. I'll reinstall and get my login details if I can.

[storm star]

Dont need to reinstall

Just look at the top right of the site

Make a new account

[rose hemlock]

I might need to for password.

[storm star]

Nope

I did it in 10 seconds ealier

No downloads

Just make a throwaway

[neon girder]

hahahhahaha the 4th one what the fuck

[rose hemlock]

Right thanks, making a new account is surprisingly painless actually.

[storm star]

https://www.roblox.com/communities/3014349/SmallGroupie#!/about ageplay/infantilisation one I think

hey guys ive recently started getting back into play roblox and bloxburg and stuff, and im just wondering if anyone would like to roleplay!! mainly looking for a baby/toddler, (preferebly girl) and 1-3 kids, 1 boy, 2 girls!! pu (pop up) if ur interested!!

🌈📞|~| RING RING |~| .. Abc for mUh MuH'sH Ari! (Examples) .+. Leans down and slids her up in arms .+. Grips onto railway .+. Pats her back lightly while bouncing her on hips .+. (etc) If interested feel free to add me! See ya little ones & Adults! 🎀

[rose hemlock]

I see what Trent was talking about

[merry yacht]

What is the crowd score reading? As it gets lower (which happens gradually as you vote) you'll start getting more non-inappropriate groups. This is good though, voting non inappropriate is also helpful

[neon girder]

hahahahahahahahahahahaha

[storm star]

https://www.roblox.com/communities/7955826/da-bubbie-toddler-and-mwa-mwa-club#!/about linked to it

[merry yacht]

Jesus christ

[neon girder]

what does that one have on its wall

[merry yacht]

Fuck dude these are getting markedly worse as the scraper expands

[rose hemlock]

It was a high score for that one. I'm getting high score groups now.

[merry yacht]

Idk not logged in on mobile

[rose hemlock]

Trent do white shirts with red smears mean anything?

[merry yacht]

Huh. Weird. Well, regardless, voting not inappropriate on fine groups is helpful regardless

[merry yacht]

I'm not sure about those particularly. A little bit of blood is probably just kids being edgy. I've seen some self harm related groups tho that are extremely gross

[storm star]

This one hasn't been directly served to me yet though

[neon girder]

if you think about it, the growth rate is insane
everytime a new group is flagged it could get a hundred more groups to get marked as sus depending on how interconnected it is

[merry yacht]

The last time I did this project when it was just me doing classification I found an interesting trend

The network is extremely densely connected

Which you sort of wouldn't expect, right? Why would gay bear enjoyers also be in a group for little girls?

[neon girder]

i did kinda expect that

'edophiles want to be in other 'edophile groups

[merry yacht]

Imo the answer, as horrifying as it sounds, is that the connecting thread is the corruption of children and the specific type of content they use is almost irrelevant

[neon girder]

agree

[merry yacht]

Agree on this point but it's still odd that there's not even a clear barrier around sexuality

[storm star]

https://www.roblox.com/catalog/128625957422555/t-shirt-blush another "blush" shirt

[merry yacht]

Last time I did it the network's diameter was about 11, meaning you could start at any point and get to any other point within 11 hops

[storm star]

"bypassed" in the tags

[rose hemlock]

Yeah, I'm sure red smear shirts are a tell now.

[neon girder]

whats it now?

the value for real life is only 6 which is crazy

[merry yacht]

Didn't check yet, if you want to check with Gephi I have a graphml dump at https://epitracker.org/dl/roblox.graphml
Its about a day old so already significantly smaller than the current network. Only potentially bad nodes included, so as to avoid making it too large to load into memory

[storm star]

I'd like to work out what they really mean

I think they are meant to appear like a bare chest

And they go over the top of that layer

Did the website freeze up?

Nothing will submit or load for me

[merry yacht]

I'll go check on it. Neo4j might have crashed again

[storm star]

It started loading again

[merry yacht]

scraper is fired up again, automatic scoring with my classifier paused for now because it's eating up too much resources

gonna dump a new copy of the graphml so i can figure out current network diameter

@neon girder network diameter rn is about 10 (i had to prune some nodes from the graph to make gephi not crash)

somewhere between 10 and 12 I believe

[neon girder]

btw do you know what graph neural networks are?

they would be perfect for this

[merry yacht]

I've looked into them and they seem 1) very complex and 2) also not as well optimized for training big ones

my (uneducated) position on this is that I'm probably better off feeding data into a suboptimal model architecture that already has a great understanding of text content, as opposed to an optimal model architecture without that kind of understanding

since basically all the features of the data I'm working with can be encoded into text and understood at a glance by reading

roblox gooner network

[storm star]

holy fuck its a map of sri lanka

The red cluster are the tamils

[neon girder]

this seems like a very autistic program

[merry yacht]

i let network diameter run longer (still didnt finish) and got 11 diameter

[neon girder]

you dont need to calculate it in full

do a thousand random tests and calculate the average

[storm star]

What are the main groups now?

Wondering if you can pick out some of the fetish themes from what's grouped up or whether its too dense

[merry yacht]

had to rerender since I closed it earlier. let me type up a little breakdown

light purple group (15%)

green group (13.88%)

blue group (11.06%)

black group (8.91%)

orange group (7.4%)

[storm star]

oh shit sri lanka exploded

[storm star]

Furry bara

[storm star]

diapers?

[storm star]

looks very mixed, can see farts and ponies

[merry yacht]

this is actually a strange and troubling recurrence

this happened the first time around

[storm star]

ageplay?

[merry yacht]

lot of mixing between furry and diaper/fart content

[neon girder]

fart furries

[storm star]

yeah and bara in everything

[merry yacht]

I think black is mostly inappropriate clothing groups with some gay content mixed in

[neon girder]

explain this behavior immediately @inner dagger

[neon girder]

capybara?

[storm star]

some word for gay furry

[merry yacht]

"oh it's fine, it's just roblox. i dunno she's probably playing some kind of dress-up game or something"
her friends list:

[neon girder]

stinkypaddedpuppy

sounds like something apollo would name their account

[merry yacht]

🚨

[neon girder]

hahahahahahaha

[merry yacht]

quoting from an update post I made on KF today

Here's what the various groups are made up of:
Pinkish-purple (12%) - Despite appearing smaller than the green group, this is the largest group in the network. It's tightly clustered, making it appear smaller than it is. This group is made up oif a collection of gay (mostly femboy), raceplay, and nude clothing groups.
Green (8.92%) - This is mostly raceplay groups, with a collection of toilet and fart fetish groups.
Light blue (7.68%) - This is a cluster of 4 groups. Of them, 3 are quite large and appear to be mostly innocuous groups selling clothing for black kids, probably made for legitimate purposes and then infiltrated by gooners. The fourth is a smaller group of 387 members, which is explicitly raceplay related.
Dark gray (6.47%) - Almost exclusively nude clothing groups
Orange (5.89%) - More clothing groups
Salmon color at the top left (4.79%) - Furry groups with comorbid fetishes attached. Every group is furry related, many groups also appear to be about inflation, feeding, and vore fetishes.
Teal at the top right (4.38%) - By far the worst cluster, and something that I completely missed when I first did my solo version of this project the first time around. These are groups about very young children. There are only 6 groups in this cluster, but a troubling amount of members. The groups are called: SmallGroupie, Little Supplies, Little safe place, Bronies & Babyfurs, and (stylized in-game, typed normally here) Bub's Daycare and Bub's Tod (toddler?) World.

[merry yacht]

@storm star @neon girder

[merry yacht]

@rose hemlock

[storm star]

• Screening out legitimate groups that sell clothing for black kids, as well as black subcultures in general, seems to be a priority. I can imagine raceplay people go to these groups to get clothing to use in their raceplay groups
• Is there any point classifying the style/purpose of the clothing groups in more detail? I found trap stuff, scene, goth, cutesy princess, sfw furry and a few others that might be worth clearly identifying to see their relationship to other networks
• Likewise for the furry+ cluster, would it be worth tagging the inflation/feeding/vore cluster (themselves all too tightly linked to disaggregate) so we can see exactly what the overlap is?
• Are we definitely sure that Teal is about CSAM stuff only and not about infantilisation/ageplay too, with overlaps?

Orange and dark grey it might also be interesting to do some deeper tagging of the clothing style, see if other relationships become visible

I imagine the "wedge" ones are very universal as they don't appeal to any specific fantasy

Do you think this one started innocent then got taken over, or was always fucked? https://www.roblox.com/communities/22759/Teens#!/about

Some of the banned members have names with references to PDF file terms

this is disgusting

[merry yacht]

hard to say how it started but looking at the wall posts it has definitely been taken over

[storm star]

"AAM" is a term worth adding to the glossary, it means "adult attracted minor" and I shouldn't have to explain that further

[storm star]

Is it worth distinguishing between ones taken over and ones that seem to have started with a nefarious purpose?

[merry yacht]

1. The line between legitimate and illegitimate is still kinda blurry. Classifying groups is the function, but the purpose is really classifying users who are members of those groups. If a legitimate group gets invaded I'd consider it a good target for classifying as inappropriate regardless of the original intent
2. I can break it down in finer detail by changing the modularity community detection settings but I think the purpose mostly stays the same regardless of the chosen style of the bypassed clothing. These groups act as a hub which link to other, more sinister groups
3. The context was missing because of the way I copied+pasted but this is actually a recurrence of something I saw the first time around. For some reason there are a lot of groups where the theme is furry + some very bizarre fetish. This cluster in particular is basically inseparable, it's not a mixture of furry and fetish groups, it's all furry + fetish at the same time
4. I mean I guess you can argue that pretending to be a toddler isn't ☝️ 🤓 technically ☝️ 🤓 CSAM, but given all the stuff we're seeing in bios and usernames that's straight up CSAM related, I question how meaningful the distinction is

[storm star]

I know there's huge furry+vore overlap too

Although I've not seen an obvious furry+vore group here yet

For vore I usually look for the key codeword which appears to be "nom"

And its fair to treat all vore groups as inappropriate

I'm seeing the big belly/vore pairings too

many such cases

[merry yacht]

the network expansion is going great

it seems to have just recently located this cluster

I wasn't seeing any of these for the last few days and now I'm seeing tons

[storm star]

tbf I could have told you about this cluster beforehand just based on intuition, its visible across the internet

Oh look, a furry+vore https://www.roblox.com/communities/16447867/Wolf-Inflation-INC#!/about

[merry yacht]

true, but automated expansion is the goal here. having to locate them manually would mean way, way more work overall

oh, it looks like we're at almost the same place in the voting queue. I just saw the teens group you linked a couple minutes ago

[storm star]

https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/pro-shipper#:~:text=(fandom slang) One who supports a ship or shipping deemed,consume fanworks with such elements. [ new term

Linked me to an X account too https://x.com/EiMikoR34__

👾SILVER WOLF OF PROSHIPTWT👾 (@EiMikoR34__) on X

poly bi enby | age 20 | he/they pronouns | proshipper, swiftie, fudanshi | my throne :3 | https://t.co/DPdMu921bS

X

[merry yacht]

Forney, TX

[storm star]

https://www.roblox.com/communities/8713338/BuB-sH-DaY-cARe#!/about infantilisation one

[merry yacht]

his X links to https://ashtonsaberstyles.straw.page/
which links to
https://www.tiktok.com/@1989.kaelucsversion
he looks almost exactly like id imagine lmao. except thinner than I'd have guessed

[storm star]

the "fudanshi" thing suggests they're a man who likes discussing gay pairings of characters the author did not intend to be seen as gay couples

Although the other site suggests attractions to both genders

And yeah he looks like that on his Youtube account too

There's probably other creepy shit linked to his Roblox account https://www.roblox.com/users/87829013/profile

https://www.roblox.com/communities/16382298/proship#!/about

https://www.roblox.com/communities/17025259/Proshipper-Safe-Space#!/about

They describe it like they only look at drawn/rendered content and not real photographs

Although "pixels" could mean anything tbh

https://www.roblox.com/communities/33685074/dead-dove-do-not-eat#!/about

Probably worth other evaluators knowing some of these terms

https://www.roblox.com/games/18794518336/PROSHIP-AND-COMSHIP-HANGOUT the disturbing thing about this network is everything still seems to be live, seemingly Roblox believes their denials

[merry yacht]

@storm star if i can find this guy's phone number i think im gonna call his parents

pretty brazen support of loli and incest content

[storm star]

if you do then do it on voice so we can listen in

[merry yacht]

if I can find it I'll definitely record

[fiery comet]

Your message has been deleted, sorry!
Next time, try saying something like this instead: It's unclear if "loli/shota" strictly pertains to animated characters or if this individual is also engaging with inappropriate content.

.ols

Rising timeout

You have been muted for 2 minutes for the following reason:
sexual score of 0.67

This is an automated message. If you believe this was a mistake, please contact a moderator.

[merry yacht]

sorry @storm star didnt see that it muted u

https://www.tiktok.com/@1989.kaelucsversion/video/7327404641220742446

look at this

it looks like he's using a translation app to ask someone if they're 14???

what the fuck

[storm star]

Yeah, I think he's an active abuser

I'm going to pull up a list of High Schools in Forney, TX

It has a population of 23k so quite small

There's only two

[merry yacht]

I looked to see if they had yearbooks available briefly but didn't find any

I'm inclined to believe the first name Ashton is correct but the other bit doesn't seem to be a last name. I think "Saber Styles" might be a reference to beat saber which I see he has some videos of himself playing

[storm star]

https://www.youtube.com/live/dbE3Ooo-yfo?app=desktop well there's one of the high schools graduation ceremonies in 2023

Which is probably his graduating class if he's 20

[merry yacht]

holy shit

@storm star

https://www.tiktok.com/@1989.kaelucsversion/video/7321937520927771935

he did a year in jail for something 'cest related???

[storm star]

bruh

[merry yacht]

okay wait

[storm star]

Check the s offenders register locally?

[merry yacht]

yes

perfect

lemme see

[storm star]

Ashton Styles?

It doesn't seem to respond to me, I'm wondering if they block connections from Europe

I'm wondering if he did this before he turned 18 and the record is sealed

[e-mail] seems to be a registered email

[merry yacht]

looks like he posted it jan 8th 2024, and if he's 20 now, and he got out sometime before jan of 2024

so it might be that you're right, happened before he was 18

[merry yacht]

where's this from?

[storm star]

YouTube

[merry yacht]

ooh

good eye

[storm star]

His bandcamp profile says he's in Garland, TX

[merry yacht]

https://www.whitepages.com/checkout/summary?wpId=PN3Vzj0Wbl3&wp_content=card&wp_medium=PersonContactInfoUpsell&wp_source=PersonResults&wp_term=serp_ep0&funnelType=person_onepages_1
I think this might be him

[storm star]

I think so

[merry yacht]

got a phone number for phillip gaige

gonna call

[storm star]

Maybe ask if his son is the one who got locked up for looking at the PDF stuff

Or maybe that's the wrong approach

But good luck

He's topless in almost all of his tiktoks which is really weird

[merry yacht]

getting mic setup working rn

[merry yacht]

yeah I think I'm gonna try to frame it as me just being concerned, like trying not to sound accusatory

[storm star]

Maybe watch some of his most recent tiktoks

They're very short

It seems like he projects a lot - like accuses others of being PDF files and saying they infiltrate subcultures

Which makes me think he thinks he got rumbled due to guilt by association and not personal guilt

ie. what happened to my brother, except in his case he's clearly deluded

That he still has loads of "proshipper" accounts suggests he's not willing to deal with the core of his issue

[merry yacht]

no dice, both phone numbers dead. need to check other sites

[storm star]

https://www.truthfinder.com/people-search/phillip-gaige/

Doubt its current, I think they left Forney and moved to Garland?

Given his age he's more likely to be on Facebook

https://www.facebook.com/phillip.gaige.2025

Forney

[merry yacht]

can't see contact details directly but it says he works at ABOX Packaging which seems to be a small company. maybe I could talk to him that way

[storm star]

I've made several assumptions to get to this point so might be best to see if we can reconfirm other details before making a call

He has videos on his profile, I see one other person (a fat woman) in it, might be worth checking to see if "Ashton" appears in them

He claims to be widowed so idk if that means Sarah Gaige is dead or whether that's a different relative (eg. sister)

[merry yacht]

i wish these sites didnt have all these fake loading bars ffs

[merry yacht]

https://www.tiktok.com/@1989.kaelucsversion/video/7314337342519610655
might be worth comparing anything showing the inside of his house with david/ashton's videos

[storm star]

The two videos are outdoors around a fire

[merry yacht]

https://www.tiktok.com/@1989.kaelucsversion/video/7449076784131247390

[merry yacht]

found an outdoor one on his profile. looks to be an apartment complex
https://www.tiktok.com/@1989.kaelucsversion/video/7421679285821246766

[storm star]

I'd be surprised if he lived on his own, he seems incredibly immature, and he has too many nice things for him to have been kicked out

@neon girder can you figure out how to find this guy's address or phone number? Need a current one or one for his father

[neon girder]

i have no idea lol

[merry yacht]

this truthfinder website is fucking ridiculous

it is STILL prompting me to click through fake questions with fake loading bars

[neon girder]

"truthfinder" sounds like some retarded alt right site lmfao

[merry yacht]

lmao

for fucks sake it wants $28 for a membership

well, spokeo is offering me a "trial membership" for 95 cents. i might actually take that

[storm star]

Yeah a lot of these sites use that to make people with any of those intentions feel "clever" for using them, its the same for tools that purport to allow you to view private instagram accounts or get details from people's socials

[merry yacht]

well, wasted a dollar on spokeo

numbers for both his parents and him on spokeo were all dead or belonged to unrelated people

gonna go cancel that sub rn before i forget

[storm star]

@merry yacht I found a heavily moderated one where someone has done the legwork of putting "creepy, gross" people into one category you can browse through

Might have found a self-harm cluster

I think the group itself is benign, but they just contain people who are weird and dont kick them

https://www.roblox.com/users/3381335087/profile one of them in their bad list

https://www.roblox.com/communities/14256006/kitty-pawz#!/about is the group, if you look at member lists you can see a "gross" group

The actual group seems to be "yume kawaii" subculture

[rose hemlock]

I think it's worth updating About section with bunnies, red smear shirts and the previous names lookup tip. Perhaps cherries, anyone see cherries?

[storm star]

Not seen many cherries since but I've defined a few other PDF file related terms

I don't know what the red smear shirts mean, I'd rather have some idea before listing it

[rose hemlock]

I feel like red smears are only in bad groups.

[storm star]

I assume this is something very evil https://www.roblox.com/communities/35448169/Ren-s-Sanctuary#!/about

Big clue are the spade shirts, the fact that its held by a holder account, and its small with no desc

[rose hemlock]

I wonder if the spade thing is related to spade being a name for black people before.

[oblique silo]

have we considered phishing

or ig you guys

[storm star]

Even if he has that its a good chance its under his alias

[oblique silo]

o

[storm star]

We think this is his dad though https://www.instagram.com/phillipgaige/?hl=en

[storm star]

report them to discord

[oblique silo]

dont

[north dawn]

No

[oblique silo]

discord will ban your account as well

[north dawn]

I want to play with them

[oblique silo]

thats what they did to me

discord banned my account as well as theirs

thats why i had to make this account

[midnight sorrel]

lmaoooo

gotta love discord

[merry yacht]

???

i thought you were allowed to be on here at 16. i thought 13 was the min age for creating an account

[oblique silo]

yes

but they banned me for "child self endangerment"

because a pdf file was asking me for ndes when i was 17

[merry yacht]

true. minors shouldnt be on the internet at all

[oblique silo]

lol

[storm hemlock]

I'm so iffy on those, like that one group looked like it was a bunch of teens, had a ton of hoe clothes with poppy names, even young kids just think nudity is funny and will undress stuff. I feel like it always has to have one thing more than that, usually mentioning some fetish or code word

[storm hemlock]

Oh noooooo

[storm hemlock]

Probably both? Nobody who's been a furry for even a little while isn't aware of their reputation, all the corn, the fact it's purely sexual for a large chunk, etc. They know they're one bad apple or disinhibited autist from being shut down

[storm hemlock]

Because of the diaperfurs, lol. That's a sub-subculture

[storm hemlock]

Damnit imagine me as a kid, with bunnies being my favorite animal 😭 and I never called them rabbits

[merry yacht]

well yes, but what i meant is, why are there tons of diaperfurs and not just "regular" diaper people?

[storm hemlock]

There's a big list of keywords like this I found once, I think it was literally published by the FBI

[storm hemlock]

Yeh, usually virgins, could be code for just really young girls / boys. Not always

[storm hemlock]

Oh yeah, I got you. Um, probably, that might be how a fair chunk of people get into it these days

[oblique silo]

i want to join the investigatoin

[storm star]

https://epitracker.org/

[rose hemlock]

is "evade" in clothes names bad?

[storm star]

It does sound bad but maybe show an example?

[storm star]

Hmm I wouldn't say so in that case, it looks like its just a random word and they're a goth/grunge/edgy clothing store as they say

A lot of these things show up on network because weirdos join to buy clothing but I don't think they are themselves problematic

A lot of the time the network of problematic groups should end on these sorts of stores, as there will be people in them who are not in sussy groups and you don't want to flag their other groups too

Evade is a word I'd expect to see for dodgy stuff but it does seem like "bypass" is the preferred term

A lot of the users will be like 13-14 and have poor literacy, often just find words in a thesaurus

If the group owner is not a "holder" account you can sometimes learn a lot from them, or from groups that people with "admin" type roles are in

[rose hemlock]

They have "bunny hospital" in allies by user called "handsjob". I was going to skip or put not innapropriate but now I might tag inappropriate.

[storm star]

I don't think the name of the owner of an affiliate group is enough tbh

Maybe skip

There's a sort of "creepy cute" thing in a lot of groups, so you get jarring language about cute looking corpses or ill cute things, I don't think that's meant as sexual, just edgy teenager stuff

[storm star]

Looks like normal gothic aesthetic

[rose hemlock]

Yeah, it says "viscous" to be edgy lol, they got confused with vicous.

[storm star]

vicious?

[rose hemlock]

Um yeah, what is that I doing in there?

[storm star]

Missing the second i

I'm becoming way too familiar with Roblox subcultures and content creators lol

Looks like I'm being served loads of non-sus stuff today, I guess they're the ends of suspicious clusters

nvm back to the sus ones lol https://www.roblox.com/communities/8459026/PacifierRoblox#!/about

https://www.roblox.com/communities/34591449/Balloon-Stomachs#!/about inflation one smh

[merry yacht]

once you get down to where the score of the group displayed is < 0.75, you'll start seeing a lot more non-sus ones

[merry yacht]

@neon girder 11th try on the user classifier

Finished classification and evaluation in 9.34 seconds.

--- Evaluation Results ---
Total samples processed: 3598
Total actual 'BAD_USER' samples: 310
Total actual 'GOOD_USER' samples: 3288

--- Counts ---
True Positives (TP): 138
True Negatives (TN): 3260
False Positives (FP): 28
False Negatives (FN): 172

--- Rates (%) ---
True Positive Rate (TPR / Recall): 0.4452 (44.52%)
True Negative Rate (TNR / Specificity): 0.9915 (99.15%)
False Positive Rate (FPR): 0.0085 (0.85%)
False Negative Rate (FNR): 0.5548 (55.48%)

compared to 10th try

Finished classification and evaluation in 9.81 seconds.

--- Evaluation Results ---
Total samples processed: 3598
Total actual 'BAD_USER' samples: 310
Total actual 'GOOD_USER' samples: 3288

--- Counts ---
True Positives (TP): 236
True Negatives (TN): 2766
False Positives (FP): 522
False Negatives (FN): 74

--- Rates (%) ---
True Positive Rate (TPR / Recall): 0.7613 (76.13%)
True Negative Rate (TNR / Specificity): 0.8412 (84.12%)
False Positive Rate (FPR): 0.1588 (15.88%)
False Negative Rate (FNR): 0.2387 (23.87%)

Overall Accuracy: 0.8344 (83.44%)

[storm star]

How were the actual good and actual bad users marked?

[merry yacht]

a bad group is defined as a group with >= 0.75 crowd score and at least 2 votes. a bad user is defined by being a member of at least 5 bad groups. a good user is defined as any user that isn't a bad user, which may sound like an issue but there's almost 9m users in the db and if you sample them randomly the odds that you'll get any bad ones are very very very low

[storm star]

How do you distinguish between true and false positive though? You're going onto their profile and making inferences from it, then comparing to group membership?

[neon girder]

what

[storm star]

What is the definition of a true positive and a false positive

[merry yacht]

make an inference on the profile text data, compare this to the label derived from the process I just described

oh, you mean positive/negative

"positive" in this context means a bad user

"negative" means a good user

[storm star]

I mean the true/false binary

[merry yacht]

true positive = user is considered bad, classifier marked them as bad
false positive = user is considered good, classifier marked them as bad
true negative = user is considered good and classifier marked them as good
false negative = user is considered good and the classifier marked them as bad

[storm star]

Because when I tune out false positives I generally want an objective answer as to whether it was actually true or false

[merry yacht]

the data is admittedly not perfect, but no method i have of classifying the users (short of just sifting through like 8k+ users myself manually) is perfect

[storm star]

Yeah ok, just wondering

Just thinking you're comparing two automated ways to determine good/bad so idk how much error can mix in

If you classified user accounts separately with a high degree of confidence by humans, you might end up getting a more robust model

Or assume anyone who is banned must be a true positive

[merry yacht]

I'd like to expand into that at some point but

the issue is that there are so many user nodes

and human voter attention is limited

combined with the fact that I can't trust any one voter to be consistently correct or even trustworthy, it makes classifying user nodes with human work much harder

[storm star]

Yeah maybe

I'm used to being able to make someone directly investigate and know with 99%+ certainty

Although I have more classifications to play with like benign positive

[merry yacht]

what I'd like to do is

ok

the very first run I did with the classifier

I included their friends list usernames in the text to classify

and also their group memberships

it scored 100% on train and test sets

the only issue is it's a massive pain in the ass to ensure there's no contamination between the training and testing set, as the social graph here is quite dense

[storm star]

I'm wondering if you can make inferences from equipped clothing on their character

Do they have unique IDs you can grab?

I'm still curious about the cheese pizza shirt I've seen some of them wearing, but idk if its just a really common default outfit

So I'm wondering if characters wearing it are more likely than average to be in a PDF cluster group

[rose hemlock]

Did you exlude banned groups from the data?

[storm star]

Banned groups come up

I always mark them as inappropriate

[merry yacht]

ooh that's actually a really good idea

I can't figure out how to get the actual fucking avatar image URL

because they changed the API and now it's much harder for reasons I don't understand

but if I could get their currently equipped clothing and then get the names of those clothing items that'd probably be a rich source of data

[storm star]

Yeah I dont think you need to see it in its totality, the combination of certain sussy items probably would be noticeable

Like if they have a "bypass wedge" equipped that's not easily visible

[merry yacht]

no, I didn't exclude them because I don't know how touchy roblox is in regards to banning for non-sexual purposes

like for example I know you can DMCA people if they copy your group's clothing without permission. do they ban for that? I don't want to train it to recognize "member of a group with stolen clothing items" as a bad user, you know what i mean?

try to infer from the group title when possible but generally yeah if it's banned it's almost always for something sexual at least in the data I've ggot

[rose hemlock]

"Content deleted" as entire group information is junk data if that's the system's group data. A datascraping code could find those banned groups, and groups that do that to trick roblox mods.

[storm star]

I am actually sending reports directly for PDF groups so idk how fast they act but it could result in more queued groups getting banned

[merry yacht]

Ruben did some investigating in regards to this and found that there was no clear connection between sending reports and groups getting banned

the observability of the space being tested is problematic

you don't know how many other people are/aren't reporting the groups

but there wasn't an obvious connection between making reports, even multiple reports from multiple accounts, and the groups actually being dealt with

[storm star]

Hmm

I wonder if the reports are too short, too long, poorly phrased, too matter of fact, too emotive, etc

I know from experience that the framing of a "problem statement" can have a dramatic impact on whether an engineer will decide to pick it up, regardless of its actual severity or completeness

So the same logic may apply to teams dealing with reports

Maybe leading with a tl;dr like "PDF group with multiple references to CSAM" would grab attention

Obviously not with the acronyms

[merry yacht]

shouts out to @storm star and @rose hemlock ruben says thanks

[storm star]

grand_larsony lol

[storm star]

Where do you chat to Ruben anyway? I can always reach out and add any extra insights I made in case they are useful

[merry yacht]

Kiwi Farms is where I chatted with him but he's also on X. The screenshot is from Revolt which is like an alternative for Discord, but the server I'm in with him isn't ready for public linking yet. He just got banned from Discord because Discord is complicit in this Roblox stuff continuing

[storm star]

Ah I see

I assume Roblox doesn't want to lose all the revenue that PDF files bring in?

They must spend a lot more than most users since they're adults

[merry yacht]

I think it's sort of this issue x2

Roblox doesn't wanna lose their moneu

Discord doesn't either

They've both made pretty public opposition to Ruben and it's kinda crazy that anything he's doing is enough to warrant either of these giant companies' attention

[storm star]

Its interesting how they seem to frame all of his attempts to prove his claims or prove issues with moderation as evidence that he himself is a PDF file, deviant, bully, etc

[fiery comet]

Your message has been deleted, sorry!
Next time, try saying something like this instead: There's a collection of images on KF that I need to locate and share later where a similar pattern keeps occurring: 1. An upset furry who has a fascination with Roblox tags Ruben, attempting to accuse him of something serious 2. Ruben reviews their post history 3. Discovers a variety of unusual interests (like sonic inflation, furry vore, and other peculiar content) It's quite predictable.

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[merry yacht]

I hate you

[storm star]

I do think there are plenty of unintelligent people who see other people testing filters and trying to fine tune moderation and are genuinely unable to grasp that they're not PDF files themselves, and genuinely are trying to catch them

Granted there are "PDF hunters" who are hiding something themselves, but we've seen that a lot with people freaking out at moderation things being tested in discord or failing to understand why you would test something in an adversarial way

[north dawn]

I hope you all have fun funding 0 predators in roblox

It's not the platform to successfully find kids

Thr architecture of the platform makes proper engagement difficult

[storm star]

This isn't the right place to shitpost

Troll somewhere else

[merry yacht]

I understand you're trying to be funny but this is genuinely very serious
https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/kidnapping-roblox-rcna201795

Florida Attorney General James Uthmeier issued a subpoena Wednesday to Roblox, demanding it share information about its marketing, age verification and collection of children’s data.

“We intend to cooperate with the Attorney General’s office and look forward to sharing all the work Roblox does to help keep users safe,” a Roblox spokesperson said.

New Jersey Attorney General Matthew Platkin announced a lawsuit Thursday against Discord, alleging “deceptive and unconscionable business practices that misled parents about the efficacy of its safety controls and obscured the risks children faced when using the application.”

[merry yacht]

"50 m, got gun"
💀 💀 💀 💀 💀 💀 💀 💀 💀 💀 💀 💀 💀 💀 💀

[oblique silo]

lmfao

[storm star]

@worldly orchid

[merry yacht]

@worldly orchid https://epitracker.org/

look at the stats section

[storm star]

Do top users by classifier score and filter out banned, then open their accounts

And look through

[worldly orchid]

where's that

[merry yacht]

go to "stats" tab and check out the lists of users

"roblox would never allow bad actors, they have moderators 😇 "
the ppl talking to ur child:

[storm star]

@lyric garden

[lyric garden]

,

this is a scam thread, all the files are png, not pdf

[storm star]

!!!!!!

[livid parrot]

🛑️️ Command "!!!!!" not found !

[merry yacht]

Unbelievably fucked up update, unrelated to my own project but Roblox related so I'll post it here

[fiery comet]

Your message has been deleted, sorry!
Next time, try saying something like this instead: There is a user named "Kush" who is reportedly connected to a troubling group and has a bounty placed on him. Allegations suggest he was involved in inappropriate behavior with an 8-year-old girl and coercing her into harming a family pet.

Myco Is Magic! 00:12/00:13 May 21 Channel created Channel photo updated 56 11:52 PM Myco Is Magic! This will be my new channel until it gets reported. This channel is rated R, X, and F. If this channel reaches 500 subscribers before the end of summer, I will host a 1-hour Q&A livestream. 66 11:54 PM

May 22 Myco Is Magic! The following bounties are currently active: -Kush $1000 -Krane764 $100 -Information regarding the parents and account of the 8-year-old Roblox girl Dawn 1378, who was coerced into harming her pet $100. If you prefer to remain anonymous, you will be. If you want to be acknowledged, you will be. Contact @TheGrubs for more information. 193 edited 12:06 AM Myco Is Magic! Myco Is Magic! The following bounties are active: -Kush $1000 -Krane76 ... All bounties will be updated or reposted weekly 61 12:06 AM.

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[merry yacht]

Insanity

[lyric garden]

tf is bounties

[merry yacht]

someone is offering money for information on the guy doing this

[lyric garden]

did you report that

[lyric garden]

ok so it's not a pdf channel

that's good

that's realy rer tho

😭

[merry yacht]

ive been following the stuff about 764 for a while and it's so crazy that if u tell people about it irl they look at u like u must be a schizo

[lyric garden]

wtf is 764

oh the guy

😦

[neon girder]

764 is a sextortion cult

[lyric garden]

😭

[merry yacht]

satanic pedophiles (but like, actually, not some schizo qanon bullshit)

[lyric garden]

crazy

[merry yacht]

https://x.com/bx_on_x/status/1928201971678281976

Bx (@bx_on_x)

There’s never been a better time to remove Roblox from your household.

A 17-year-old from Florida is being charged with using Roblox to lure kids as young as 8 into Discord servers where he sexually exploited them.

The teen admitted to abusing 4 to 5 kids a day for a year. He

X · May 29, 2025, 9:29 PM

[storm star]

I wonder how many of these people are under 18 themselves? It seems pretty common

[merry yacht]

when I was reading about 764 I encountered this a lot

there's obviously a line where you become an abuser, but oftentimes, there is significant overlap between abuser and abused

I guess that's probably the same as it ever was though, we're just seeing it more starkly because 45 yr old 'edophiles probably aren't as technically inclined and are thus less likely to be in a place like roblox

[storm hemlock]

Holy fuck that first one

[storm hemlock]

I bet it's not uncommon. IMO (my personal ethics say that) once someone is between a couple years post-pubescent and their 20s, they're usually in the "abuser that can recover with therapy" zone (assuming it's not something really sociopathic). Someone targeting a ton of kids serially at 17 seems way past that though

It's not like all the abusers were "victims" in the way you normally think about it, just much more likely to have had atypical childhood exposure to sexuality. Groomers intentionally do the same to normalize such behavior or countermessage anyone who's told them "that's wrong" or "that's for adults only".

I was already precocious enough, as interested as I was in teachers or, like, Cindy Crawford (don't judge me 😭), I imagine that if my first relationship was with a freaking adult, it would have broken my brain for life.

That's what's so exceptionally dangerous about this shit, it's can have a generational cascade even if people don't have subjectively "bad" experiences

So like Johnny used to make this argument, "oh, you can just avoid the weirdos online if you're a smart kid".

First off, that's retarded. Secondly, the problem is that even if you're just flirting with creeps or trading pics or something, say if it's even just a teenager with a pre-adolescent, you're blurring the lines as to what's a "fair" relationship where two people both actually understand and consent to what they're getting into and creating a high risk, one sided "power dynamic" (I know, yuck) where one person convinces or educates (aka grooms) the naive one into what it means to be intimate. The less experienced person can internalize that and use it as a model for how they go forward, perpetuating a cycle of abuse or para-abusive behavior.

There's another level of this in queer culture that makes the whole thing a VERY hot potato. Gay kids can figure it out just fine alongside people their age of similar experience levels, if that's where they end up leaning. There's a long tradition there of intergenerational acculturaltion that is not necessary anymore and looks extremely predatory on its face

... I mean, I took advanced hours in adolescent developmental psych. Can you tell? Lol 😅 I was interested in doing this professionally, but didn't think I could handle a career of hearing these stories.

[storm star]

Yes, I think people get confused and assume that "troubled upbringing" means the abuser was abused too. I think sometimes its that they were able to experiment early and keep wanting to repeat that experience

[storm hemlock]

for sure. And there often is a history of phenomena that are abuse-adjacent on all sorts of levels, to be fair. That might mean getting involved in drugs or being with an older sibling exposed to age inappropriate content routinely, having parent-child role reversal is VERY common (say you have parents that are ill or addicts or are emotionally unstable you have to care for, single parent household, you're the primary caregiver for a younger sibling). A lot of things can push you in the direction of relationships that confound caregiving and intimacy or where you have really unequal partnerships, in a serious, not a Twitter way. Personal insecurity is a big deal too.

I'm honestly bending my thinking more towards where you seek out, start and perpetuate inappropriate relationships more than serial abusers though. The kind of thing you can prevent and/or treat with proper care. Some of the more vile individuals were victims of terrifying abuse 😬

[north dawn]

Bring this chat back to life

[worldly orchid]

yes it is since you joined

[storm hemlock]

wake me up (wake me up inside)
i can't wake up (wake me up inside)

[oblique silo]

I saw this video of this guy singing it with his daughter and it was really good

https://youtu.be/AnqQu8a095A?si=G9bOM5IZCx8rJ-Og

[storm star]

https://old.reddit.com/r/nottheonion/comments/1lvu2xb/roblox_ceo_continues_his_pitch_of_roblox_as_a/ im sorry what the fuck

[merry yacht]

roblox is now threatening content creator Schlep for being a "vigilante" (he got 6 child 'ators arrested) and they're saying they're gonna try to have him prosecuted under the computer fraud and abuse act if he makes a new account

really cool stuff, great job roblox

[midnight sorrel]

Roblox moment 👏

[north dawn]

@merry yacht Whats likely going on is that while roblox housing predators is seen as a big thing in roblox getting predators arrested makes their credibility worser as it shows their systems aren't safe and you could be doxxed I also don't think this is from the top leadership but most likely from a team outsourced to India that's thevmost likely case

[merry yacht]

I agree, Roblox would definitely prefer everybody just shut up about it. Pricks

[north dawn]

While that's true the top leadership doesn't do stuff like this which had a very different intention then teams outsourced to foreign countries who want to fulfill their quota by any way possible by looking at roles

[merry yacht]

I disagree, the company has made their stance on this issue clear for a while now. this isn't the first content creator they've threatened and in at least one case, they actually did take one of the "vigilantes" to court over this

[storm star]

The vigilante framing is unhelpful as it implies they are aiming to directly confront or harm the pdf files