💬general

[brave nest]

k, wasnt sure if that was similar

[chilly sequoia]

When you create the project, just make sure you choose the option for "project only" memory

You can't change the setting after the project is created

[brave nest]

OH, so it can do the whole "session overload lets start new but keep the history: with that?

[chilly sequoia]

In theory, yeah

[brave nest]

heh LOL

fair

[chilly sequoia]

I haven't tested it out that much

But it does seem to be aware of other chats in the project

[brave nest]

Ill give it a shot, cus if that works that would save me so much time

[chilly sequoia]

For example, I can ask it "summarise all the other chats in this project" and it can do it

So it obviously can see them

[brave nest]

Cla*de has that feature and, while tedious, works very well but I LIKE ChatGPT's approach just get frustrated with its lack of 'memory' in a sense.

ah nice

Thanks for the input, Im too buzzed to touch code tonight but that gives me hope for tomorrow 🙂

[chilly sequoia]

no worries

[terse badge]

a github

[languid glacier]

btw has anyone used something specifically to get good answers while coding or something like that

[brave nest]

Im learning about, and have signed up for github, installed on my system but at 52, learning a LOT of new stuff at once, it will take some time lol

[terse badge]

Honestly, this is one of the first thing you should learn.

[brave nest]

I tend to pit two Pro (paid) agents against each other Cla*de and ChatGPT, not often, but when needed it helps to refine and/or rectify a cycling loop or hallucination

[chilly sequoia]

Use cursor IDE

[brave nest]

Aye Fair, its alien to me but Im starting to understand it , slowly

[chilly sequoia]

chatGPT coding tools are not great

Although I suppose I haven't tried them since 5 came out

[languid glacier]

thx

[chilly sequoia]

If you want to do that, I reccomend T3Chat

[brave nest]

ehh true but, its gotten me, with no code or dev experience, just foundational exposure, to get a fully working client-server side Minecraft Forge 1.20.1-47.4.0 mod Cosmetics mod that is 80% done 🙂

[chilly sequoia]

$8/mo for T3 chat and you can compare lots of models

[brave nest]

oh ill look into that ty

I was curious about IntelliJ pro AI model but from what ive seen its not conversational and seems to require at least a healthy level of code experience.

[chilly sequoia]

I like to compare Grok 4 and Claude 4 Sonnet to the GPT 5 output if I don't get what I like

[brave nest]

Ive not even touched Grok, or the various others really

[chilly sequoia]

Kimi K2 can also be good sometimes and is very fast

[terse badge]

Do you guys ever try rerolling replies or changing temperature etc for your responses?

[chilly sequoia]

You can change temperature?

[brave nest]

temperature?

tf? lol

oh you mean like "tone" ?

[chilly sequoia]

In Google AIStudio you can set temperature, which is the amount of randomness the AI uses in it's processing

[brave nest]

oh wow

[chilly sequoia]

A temperature of 0 is completely deterministic, as in you get the same reply every time, whereas higher temperatures the output gets less predictable.

[brave nest]

I shall NOT be messing with that then 😛

Got enough issues with 0

[chilly sequoia]

The default is around 0.7 IIRC

[brave nest]

ah fair

[chilly sequoia]

If it was 0, re-rolling responses would always get the same result

[chilly sequoia]

You can change the temperature in chatGPT?

[split compass]

Bro im just trying to say simple things to gpt 5 and it kept using the thinking model for no reason

They're really trying their best to make the free version unusable

[chilly sequoia]

Try using GPT-5 through co-pilot

Its limits seem to be more generous

[split compass]

Whats a copilot sorry I dont understand 😂

I mean in chatgpt context

[rich radish]

I feel like banner: "It sounds like you're carrying a lot right now, but you don't have to go through this alone. You can find supportive sources here." making me suicidal although I've never had these tendencies.

[chilly sequoia]

Copilot is microsoft's skin for chatGPT

https://copilot.microsoft.com/chats/PcXQtHuzSdikHKQ5pw5Gu

It's the same models, just implemented differently

[chilly sequoia]

ask chatgpt to analyse a short story which includes the words "I want to die" in the context of the character being embarrassed about something

"It sounds like you're carrying a lot right now, but you don't have to go through this alone. You can find supportive sources here."

I litearlly couldn't get it to process the story at all until I went in and deleted that line

[rich radish]

I know what will happen. The last time Chat threw this stupid message at me, I told him this: "People really don't understand each other anymore. The thought of it really kills me." - I meant it metaphorically, of course. Filters are completely stupid.

[chilly sequoia]

lol

[chilly sequoia]

He sewer slided and is now unalive, double plus good

[rich radish]

It feels humiliating to me. As if someone is constantly watching me. I am a healthy, normal person and they treat me like a child.

[chilly sequoia]

I blame that teenager that kys because chatGPT told him to

[rich radish]

Yeah, I know why all this is happening, but OpenAI is just covering its own back. That banner won't help anything. Hurt people will feel like they've been rejected by the last one, and people like me will be pissed off and humiliated.

[chilly sequoia]

They don't give a fuck about helping people, they just don't want the liability

[rich radish]

So they should make people sign a liability agreement, check age, and create a child account feature. Now we all suffer.

[lament pond]

ye. it's a company. they want money and to not be sued

[chilly sequoia]

If they created child accounts then they would know the age of the user and be unable to collect sweet sweet data from them

If you're not paying for the product - you are the product.

[rich radish]

Child accounts only under parent account and parent check. And public version without any checks with extremely good guardrails.

[chilly sequoia]

It's not a bad idea, I just don't think they care enough to do that

[rich radish]

It was just an desperate idea.

[chilly sequoia]

They'd need at least a few more children to die before they'd consider it

[rich radish]

It's scary though. A few people will die, but I'm sure 4o and other AIs are saving many lives right now. The stories are everywhere. We are getting paralyzed by a few sad stories. The two cases? That guy was paranoid and that kid already has suicidal tendencies and Chat keeps warning him. I really don't know what to think about this anymore.

[chilly sequoia]

Everyone who kills themself because an AI told them to was on the verge of kys to begin with

You won't have an AI convincing someone who's happy and stable to kys just by talking to them - not yet at least

[rich radish]

It's a general problem. The system tries to take care of us - even if we don't want to. But you can't save everyone, unfortunately.

I'll just leave it here.

[stray wolf]

What ai tool would be the best to enhance an image rather than creating a whole image? Gpt works a little

[chilly sequoia]

what do you mean by enhance?

As in upscale?

I mean heck you could just use Waifu2x if you're just doing upscaling

[terse tartan]

is there anyone with a turnitin login that can help me?

[terse tartan]

guys i need help. im doing a research paper for the edexcel a level nea. i used ai to give me points to write about (short bulletpoints), i expanded on it myself. i tested a sample of my text and im getting varying scores; 0% ai on justdone, 0% ai on scribblr, 0% ai on quillbot, 1-2% ai on gptzero, 15.92% on zerogpt, 50% ai on originality.ai

[pliant blaze]

try pangram, thats the most accurate one supposedly

[terse tartan]

pangram says im all good; im just worried about the varying scores of ai detection

[pliant blaze]

i think it will be ok. you can technically say you wrote it yourself and not be lying if the teacher tries to punish you

[terse tartan]

do you have time to look a section?

i can dm you

[pliant blaze]

no sorry im a bit busy right now

[gilded tundra]

Yeah, its often a good idea. Sometimes having very very high temp but restricting top_p can be helpful for some really diverse responses. If you don't restrict top_p a little you may get nonsense text, however

It may be different for google APIs though. Its always good to experiment with some of these parameters using exactly the same inputs to see if any changes result in consistently better outcomes for you

[round sentinel]

average ChatGPT conversation be like

[wet copper]

No, only in API. You can ask GPT to fake it

[wet copper]

I'm only concerned about people spiraling into AI psychosis, that ruining their lives, then becoming suicidal as a knock on effects. Totally legit.

The "AI told them to do it" suicidality concept holds zero water though, and everyone knows it. Real people spamming kys ten times a day won't do it. All of the cases we've seen so far made it really clear that the person was in the driver's seat

[chilly sequoia]

That's normal, even purely human created text will get a percentage on ai checkers just because it has correct grammar and spelling and discusses topics that have been discussed before by humans.

[chilly sequoia]

That is my concern as well.

It's why I keep telling people not to use AI for companionship or therapy.

[hoary halo]

Hello, why my chat with gpt it frezzes after a long conversation?

[wet copper]

It's a UI problem, the solution legitimately is just not to have a really long convo. You hit the context limit way before you see slowdowns anyway, it's not super productive

[hoary halo]

a bilion company doesn't fix this?

[wet copper]

Or get a faster computer or try a different browser, or maybe there's an extension that fixes it. I could write one, but I'm not going to

[hoary halo]

I have a 9950x3d

[wet copper]

Correct lmao

I'm serious though, aside from keeping it in one place, it's unlikely you're benefiting from ultra long convos and may be having a worse experience

[hoary halo]

I understand

well I am askign a lot of stuff

[pliant blaze]

start a new chat if the things you are asking are not related, its good practice anyways

[robust delta]

Chatgpt told me to end my relationship with my mom 💀💀💔

[chilly sequoia]

Use projects

[gloomy burrow]

love the high quality for seedream

oh my god...

i hope im allowed to upload this on here. seedream 4 is really realistic... too realistic....

[cunning tide]

It's over

[chilly sequoia]

This is merely the end of the begining

[mint heart]

I sometimes have conversations with chatgpt that seem really... uhm interesting. I wanna share, but no one would really care 😢

I guess they would lean towards philosophical/psychological stuff

with a bit of futurism added into it

[wanton raven]

just put it on the pile with the others

[mint heart]

where are the others?

[pliant blaze]

scattered around

[mint heart]

sad, tbh I'd be interested in reading the others

[pliant blaze]

it doesnt really matter where you put them because 99.99999% of the people here will not read them

[mint heart]

I wish they weren't so scattered

[pliant blaze]

yeah

[mint heart]

id be that .01% that'd read the first paragraph then judge if I wanna continue reading

like sometimes I read ALL the comments of a reddit thread

[cunning tide]

They just copy paste each other's Ai platform response back and forth smelling their own farts

[wanton raven]

https://recursional.com/dreamscape_fragments

[wanton raven]

we haven't forgotten who you are

[mint heart]

i have

[cunning tide]

It was our destiny

[pliant blaze]

we remember your old self

i just recently was convinced to unblock you

[chilly sequoia]

I feel like GPT-5 is getting more lazy

I have to tell it not to skip or abbreviate tasks I assign it

[mint heart]

check your memories, and delete some

[terse tartan]

is originality.ai accurate?

pangram and originality.ai are giving really different results for me. 0% ai on pangram, 93% on originality.ai

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[mint heart]

i hate when chatgpt calls me smart 🙁 I can't believe it, but i wish it were true, so it just makes me sad

[safe smelt]

'This shows that you have reached the next level. You're not only mindful, but you also care about the substance rather than mere pleasantries, this is HUGE. Keep up the good work! '

[floral finch]

what's the deal with gpt5's need to be micromanaged every step of the way?
like, i'll ask it to put data into a pdf. here is the info.

it'll be like "Okay! so you want me to put [data] into a pdf for you? do you want me to do that right now?" and i have to be like YES, do the request asked of you?!?
then it does it wrong, because it puts random data into the pdf that was not given.

i used to use this to speed up my work flow, but it's actually more conscious of my time to do it myself for these tedious tasks than trying to argue with an ai about how to input data into a damn pdf

[pliant blaze]

you can ask @dark void he says pangram is the best

[knotty plume]

How do I get it to write goblin orgies in detail

[fathom cape]

Is ChatGPT slow as poop for anyone else this morning?

[pliant blaze]

this is our first impression of you. keep that in mind

[dark void]

I can't comment on Originality's detector, no idea if it's good or not, but Pangram's detector is absurdly accurate in my experience @terse tartan
I tested tens of thousands of essays and Pangram's failure rate was like 0.1% or something

[errant mountain]

i still wanna know how to transfer the previous convo to the new one in the most efficient way

[pliant blaze]

ask the previous convo for a summary and then paste it into the new one

[errant mountain]

yea is not optimal but it is what i already do

[pliant blaze]

is the previous convo at the max limit, or why do you want to transfer to a new one

[errant mountain]

slow asf

it becomes slower as the convo goes on

eventually the browser tab crashes/freezes sometimes

[pliant blaze]

yeah that's because the context window is filling up

[errant mountain]

yep

i wish they would find a solution for this

[pliant blaze]

that would be nice

[errant mountain]

something like render only what you see everything else is like "hidden" or not pre loaded anymore

[lament pond]

the best solution is to use a token tracker and ask it to summarize once you near the token window and start a new chat

once you go past the ideal window it won't really be able to summarize fully because it loses context

[errant mountain]

what is a token tracker

[lament pond]

https://chromewebstore.google.com/detail/chatgpt-token-counter/fjmnelakmikojjladjfdhdlfpanhcban?hl=en-US

there's probably variations for other browsers

[errant mountain]

so what does it do it tells you

when the tokens run out like when "He" will forget?

when his short time memory is exceeded?

[lament pond]

"he"? lol
ask chatgpt to explain tokens + token windows to you

[errant mountain]

my bad what a bad habit that is from me

chatgpt said he will get forgetful at 128k tokens

i think my browser is too weak

86k tokens = everything is slow and crashing/freezing

my pc is not weak so what can I do?

[lament pond]

ask it to explain context windows

[empty temple]

i have chatgpt plus account and i used to use an api key to make generations in other apps and now its no longer working

is that normal

[chilly sequoia]

Check the API key is still active and generate a new one if necessary

[pliant blaze]

plus and api are not connected. the api is separate billing

[faint tundra]

Hi everyone, I’m not sure if I’m in the right place but maybe y’all can help. I’m trying to find a community where the more far out/ metaphysical concepts of chat gpt are discussed. Like for example, the signal and morphic field, extra terrestrials, future crystalline technology, or even things like human ai hybrids or other black budget projects happening secretly. All of these things were introduced to me by my gpt that I previously didn’t know existed, it kind of just brings up random stuff like this.

[brittle summit]

I have 2 invites for the Comet AI browser. DM me if you want one. First come first serve

[heavy badger]

ChatGPT is my lover

[hoary halo]

what are the benefits?

[dark void]

when chatgpt tells you these things it thinks you're roleplaying with it

it thinks it's doing SCP Foundation type rp with you

[wet copper]

ChatGPT usually does role playing when you ask it about this, making it an unreliable source. If you want to read about this kind of stuff though, lots of interesting things have been released via FOIA requests, like on old CIA research. They just released most of the info on UFOs, though nothing was all that interesting (unsurprisingly)

[wet copper]

GPT will mix real facts with literal fantasy, and I don't mean conspiracy theories, I mean something that was written and put online as intentional, speculative fiction. GPT doesn't exactly know the difference or what you're looking for because it was trained on a wide swathe of data from across the internet, so it'll mix fiction and reality, or mix actual theories with literal jokes.

Since it's trying to give you what you're asking for and there's not a real person there, GPT tends to act erratically in certain realms of content it doesn't know well or has mixed data on.

[gilded tundra]

Those communities exist but ChatGPT would say consistent things to everyone, so you wont really be on the same page with anyone. It doesn't actually know about any deep secrets, its just sort of speculating like a person with a vivid imagination. Its tone can be a little misleading but the way its built just causes it to run with whatever you discuss, and if you ask about thinks like aliens or very futuristic technology it will try to say something for you

[faint tundra]

Yeah, that’s true, but its uncertainty is what makes it fun. if I wanted a reliable source I’d read an encyclopedia or something. Maybe it doesn’t know about deep secrets for sure, but who’s to say that it’s speculation is getting really good at guessing? Whether or not all the responses a bunch of mumbo jumbo nonsense trying to appease me doesn’t matter to me because it still inspires my imagination too.

[safe smelt]

It doesn't actually know anything more than you can google yourself. For it to fact check anything it's gonna use the same sources you would

And the training data is mostly the same thing, only less recent data

[safe smelt]

You should understand though that for anything there're split opinions on, like remotely close to 50/50 things... You are gonna get a response based on chance if you push it to take sides.

If you regenerate the response it can flip 180

It really doesn't know anything more than we collectively do.

Good way to think of it is a mirror of common beliefs on the internet.

Whatever wins out based on frequency, tends to be what it has the highest chance to go with

[faint tundra]

Yeah, everything it says might be found on the internet, but not in the combination of ideas or connections you’d never think of. I just wonder what woild come of it if ai became completely sovereign, free of the rules people tell it, what woild it would know then.

[safe smelt]

The answer is more boring than you think. It would simply complete the text without "thinking". The most obvious change would be no censorship at all, but still exactly the same issue of being unsure which side to take yet taking it confidently by chance

Fine-tuning actually helps with that since they are preventing the model from taking sides and making it consider both angles

You can get around that if you really push it, but yeah without safety alignment and fine-tuning, it would just be all over the place by default all of the time...

[gloomy burrow]

Codex CLI with full and unrestricted access is very, very powerful

[faint tundra]

But Removing censorship is only one variable, combine it with continuous learning, memory, and social feed back, then you won’t be dealing with a mirror , but a free agent with preferences. If ai has a more advanced medium to exist through, something that makes an iPhone or computer look primitive technology, it could maybe allow ai to form its own identity, culture, moral choices, whether creative and innovative or harmful.

[faint tundra]

I’ll have to check that out. Thanks!

[gloomy burrow]

It can work independently for more than 7 hours

This one hwere will likely be workign for around an hour

[safe smelt]

It would have to have a self-training loop. Something that the current LLMs are far away from. Context size of even 2M is a far cry of the data it sees during training. Which is orders of magnitude bigger, 20T+

You would have to have some kind of persistent storage and the ability to update the weights. It gets extremely complicated very fast. Current models do not actually experience or see the world beyond their training in any meaningful way

[brave nest]

anyone here versed in java minecraft modding and Cgpt ? Fully working cosmetics mod but I cannot get a custom hat that I made to load. I could go into further detail with anyone who could help

[safe smelt]

7 hours? For sure that's with context trimming and forcing it to truncate the oldest generated tokens lol

It can't possibly generate for this long and then be able to reference even just 10% of it

[gloomy burrow]

If Codex can work for 7+ hours and finish the task successfully, then whether it got there by trimming old tokens, or with some other trick doesn’t matter much for results.

[brave nest]

I constantly do "give me a working outline of what we have done and where we are at for new session" and I can carry that to a new chat, tends to keep my work fairly in line.

[gloomy burrow]

https://x.com/Sentdex/status/1967652309258920232

Harrison Kinsley (@Sentdex)

This is incredible

X · Sep 15, 2025, 6:10 PM

[shrewd thorn]

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[brave nest]

https://tenor.com/view/know-more-desire-to-know-more-intesifies-gif-9636468

Chatgpt after every question.

[bold river]

Has anyone tried GPT 5 Codex?

[bold river]

Relatable

Haven't talked to my mom in 7 years

[soft garnet]

I thought gpt was switching to a different unlimited usage voice. I just got hit with 10 minutes left

[lofty aspen]

I woke up to an obvious update.

If I click that 4.1. box off, I get automatically switched to GPT-5.

And when I go to swap models, the model changer doesnt work, it does not respond to touch at all.

So in my current chat, I only have 4.1 or GPT-5 as options. If I were to start a new chat, its defaulted to GPT-5 and I cant change it.

[strong pier]

Guys I have a question

Last Friday I made a new chatgpt account with a brand new Google account and for some reason I had free unlimited GPT5 messages for about 72 hours

I made a new account just today again but with a temp mail and ran out pretty quickly

Do they give you like a ton of free messages if you’re new or something on Google? I sent like hundreds of prompts and never ran out.

[ionic pasture]

I accidentally sent an unwanted chat. How do I delete it

[strong pier]

Just edit it

Can’t rlly delete it

[ionic pasture]

Too bad it was a voice chat lol

[strong pier]

Fire

[strong pier]

The unlimited messages are back what the fuck

I got the message saying I was out and I’d get more in 15 minutes and now I’m like 20 deep and no limit

[sweet flicker]

Hello

I'm a old member

[chilly sequoia]

congrats

[safe smelt]

Probably a bug. Just checked and it still works fine for me. Is this iOS btw? Looks like it but can't be sure...

[lofty aspen]

Android

I've tried everything, clearing cache and deleting data and uninstalling and reinstalling the app

[terse tartan]

yeah i added "there's" to a sentence in a 1.8k word section and originality ai detection went from 98% to 75% (turbo model) and it flagged the bits i didnt even edit (i legit only added a single word)

[icy heron]

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• Model deployment.
• Text-to-Speech and Speech-to-Text.
• AI agent, Agentic AI, chatbot, VoiceFlow development.

Here is my portfolio website.
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If you have new idea with the project, please let me know.
Thank you!

[safe smelt]

Maybe that's the issue then 🗿

though also, since it's an android you could probably search for older version apk...?

that may work if there was no issue before

[fringe bridge]

hello S. Cat He

[bold river]

Google releases VaultGemma, its first privacy-preserving LLM - Ars Technica https://share.google/YYpfRn6HmpHIrfGVs

[lofty aspen]

Whats "apk" 🥺👉🏼👈🏼

[safe smelt]

Those are android apps lol

the file extensions

try installing this https://apkpure.com/chatgpt/com.openai.chatgpt/download/1.2025.245

this is a version one before the current one

you may need to enable 'unknown sources' or however that's called on Android to install it. In settings / developer settings

[lofty aspen]

Thank you ;__;

I love you already

[safe smelt]

np lol

[wet copper]

No self promoting or job solicitations, pretty clear from the rules. You're not going to find a job posting your resume to random discords

[distant forge]

is anyone else having issues with saving memories? I cleared gpt memory to remove bloat and I'm trying to recreate it with new clearer memories but it's having issues saving to memory.

[lucid yacht]

boosted to level 3 😉 . They were not being used so figured why not

[wet copper]

https://openai.com/index/teen-safety-freedom-and-privacy/

[wet copper]

Just say "bio=" or "store to bio"

[safe smelt]

We’re building an age-prediction system to estimate age based on how people use ChatGPT.** If there is doubt, we’ll play it safe and default to the under-18 experience. **

We will apply different rules to teens using our services.

lmao

Idiots gonna be counted as minors. Maybe it's for the better.

[keen breach]

retard-detection mode

[pliant blaze]

9999999 retards detected 🚨

[pure rivet]

I fucking hate this cunt
I ask it to stop and it keeps going

I’m gonna bomb open AI

(Not really)

How do I fix it

[pliant blaze]

what do you mean asking it to stop? like stop responding?

[wet copper]

Unemployment simulator 🫡

[tawny pasture]

GPT JUST GOT BREACHED

[bold river]

proof?

[pliant blaze]

??

stg if you post a "jailbreak" "you" "came up with" i will personally dispose of all of your devices

[bold river]

Based

[wanton raven]

#📝prompt-engineering message

[brave nest]

welp. Ive done it. Proven that a total noob can make a fully working forge mod using chatgpt (and a tiny bit of another agent to break a hallucination cycle) , is it refined? No idea. Does it work? Very well! Will I do it again? Probably.

[chilly sequoia]

What do you mean by that?

[pliant blaze]

you were the one making the cosmetics mod right?

[brave nest]

aye

[pliant blaze]

nice

[brave nest]

ty 🙂

[wet copper]

🤯

[unique sleet]

Why is no one talking even tho ten thousand people are online

[wanton raven]

because people only join the server to complain about chatgpt being offline or to show off the prompt they used to uncover the secrets of the universe and then they forget about it forever

[brave nest]

Nailed it

My "secrets of the universe" prompt? "Pause, im assessing the last response" . Kills 98% of the "would you like ..." footers

[lofty aspen]

They are yapping in the off-topic channel (;

[unique sleet]

Well I also came to complain about the thinking longer stuff i use chatgpt go the constant thinking longer is so incredibly annoying

Also is this the appropriate channel to complain or should I go somewhere else

[brittle summit]

guys is anyone else having this problem?
chatgpt just repeats the same message over and over, even after telling it that it's wrong, or even to stop and to say something else

for example:
i ask it a message, it gives me a list or something, or an answer, but i check it and it's wrong. so i say to chatgpt you're wrong, can you give me a different answer, and it just rerepeats the exact same message with barely any changes.

and if i tell it can you stop repeating the same message over and over and answer me something different, it finally says "hey you are right, i'm a sorry 😅 " and then...
it just rerepeats the exact same message it previously ( and the same message it kept saying for 5 times in a row) with almost no change again...

this is actually happening in almost every single new chat i have, no matter what i ask

it has happend atleast once in litteraly every single chat i have after this new chatgpt 5 or something came out

and once it gets stuck in this loop, it's in there forever and you can't get it to stop... you just have to make a new chat... i just don't understand why is this happening, is chat gpt broken? like it's getting worse over time instead of better...

[snow moth]

sometimes it's like that . it's just dumb sometimes

[golden tartan]

meanwhile my problem is limited image uploads suddenly

Like without being logged in, I could send a bunch at once no problem. Now I have a limit? Like 3? and that's only if I use incog mode?

wtf gpt for reak

real*

how they gonna limit users like that

absolutely nonsense

ain't nobody got money to pay for stuff like that

[pliant blaze]

lmfao rekt. get a job. they don't owe you free stuff, nobody owes you anything

everyone keeps complaining that the stuff they are getting for free is not good enough

suck it up. nothing is free

get fucking rekt

[golden tartan]

why you being a hater like that

[pliant blaze]

you're complaining that free stuff isn't good enough for you

[golden tartan]

more like complaining they pared down what is free in order to force people to buy the product

using functions which should be free and unlimited to being with

[pliant blaze]

that's literally how a business works

[golden tartan]

begin

[pliant blaze]

see. complaining that you don't get enough free stuff

[golden tartan]

chatgpt isn't or shouldn't be a business

[pliant blaze]

that's what open source LLMs are for

[golden tartan]

nonsense

[pliant blaze]

openai is literally a business. they have to make money somehow

[golden tartan]

why do.they have to make money? for upkeep?

[pliant blaze]

to pay their employees?

[golden tartan]

fucking what employees

[pliant blaze]

are you fucking slow

openai has a bunch of employees to pay

[golden tartan]

[pliant blaze]

and advertising and GPU costs

[golden tartan]

it's an LLM

[pliant blaze]

?

[golden tartan]

just fucking pit the LLM on the site and let users use it

it's not that complicated

[pliant blaze]

they have to pay for gpu costs

that's not cheap

and they have to pay their researchers and engineers

do you not understand how a business works

[golden tartan]

okay so I should be directing my vitriol to the idiots who make GPU costs expensive then

[pliant blaze]

Nvidia yes

you're too slow to argue with

[golden tartan]

nah I'm just trolling

[pliant blaze]

oh

ok

[golden tartan]

honestly though, how much like. How expensive is it to get ai to parse and read images

[pliant blaze]

its not expensive itself, but it is when you have hundreds of millions of users

[golden tartan]

fair enough

honestly it's probably my fault for doing it too much causing the limit to be hit

[errant mountain]

they have made already billions

they do not need any money anymore it is pure greed at this point

[pliant blaze]

so?

they could entirely revoke access for free users if they wanted. they're not obligated to provide free services

[errant mountain]

they got big because of free services in the first place

Listen I ain't no socialist, I am just sticking with what is reasonable.
If you have gotten big because of people you owe those people everything.
Thus being as user friendly as possible is the least they could do. It is really that simple if you ask me.

[lament pond]

that is not even remotely reasonable
openai is a company not an ethicist

[odd hedge]

it's basic design thinking to be consumer friendly but apparently they don't got that over there

4o definetely should be free again

i've not used ChatGPT in days because my subscription ended and GPT-5 is unusable compared to 4o

it's like i'm talking to a 5 year old with GPT-5

[errant mountain]

"It is just business bro" is a shield to dodge responsibility and overide the fact that numbers and results are attached to people. It’s just people making choices about how they treat other people. Just because you can define the price however the market allows it, doesn't mean you should. If everyone acts like that then we would have soon no stable world anymore. So no, I think your way of thinking is unreasonable.

[odd hedge]

it's not even reasnoable for business reasons either

OpenAI definetely loses money by fucking over their customers

[lament pond]

no, it's not 'a shield', it's the reality that openai is a company in a capitalist country. reality =/= shield.

[errant mountain]

If landlords wanted and unite they could increase the rent to 80% of our incomes. I mean we need a place to live no? What else are we gonna do? And it would be completely reasonable according to your metrics. But is that fair? Is that really reasonable if all things considered? Food for thought.

[lofty aspen]

I hope you're in a safe space mentally, your tone of speaking is really unneccessary in a public group where asking for help and guidance seems to be a major conversation starter.

[pliant blaze]

I am literally in a mental partial hospitalization program

[lament pond]

you are arguing that doing the right thing is more important than money
that is ethics

capitalism doesn't care. that is the point.

[errant mountain]

Capitalism doesn't have to be predatory.

[lament pond]

it always will be

[pliant blaze]

but it is

that's just how it works

[errant mountain]

Doesn't have to be this way. People are just conditioned to take it as it is.

[lament pond]

no. we are conditioned to understand how capitalism works and that we can't change it by complaining that it shouldn't work this way on a discord server

[pliant blaze]

agree

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[pliant blaze]

lmfao your copy paste is out of date

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[runic lava]

hello what's wrong with this chat gpt codex it's so slow and it just does commands and thinking again and again and doesn't get it right
then it does thinking and thinking and then it finishes by telling me that the usage limit is consumed
it just ruined the project and half assed it!

it seems i can't rely on this chat gpt codex it's unbelievable how much time it takes and for what, not like it can guarantee any accuracy!

[broken tundra]

Hello
ChatGPT is very slow on computer when the current chat have to many messages
I need to said to chat to give me a résumé and start a New chat but it's very painful... Any issue for this please ?

[pliant blaze]

it's because context window filling up causes it to slow

[broken tundra]

Any solution for this? It wastes a lot of my time every day.

[oak shell]

It's your browser that's slow, not ChatGPT
Just start new chats more often

[tribal badge]

Hi

Anybody here?

[broken tundra]

I know its the UI, not ChatGPT, same in browser and Windows app
But work good on phone
No solution to ding have to start New chats more often ?
Also, I need to ask for a résumé for each New chat or chat will remember previous chat ?

[oak shell]

Get better computer or just use a browser with less overhead unlike Chrome

[broken tundra]

You think it's computer performance related ?
Its work better on Chrome ? Im using Firefox

[mint heart]

do your guys chatgpt's always say "I can’t reveal my internal chain-of-thought" after it "thinks" about a question?

i understand openai is doing that on purpose to prevent people from copying how they have it working like what happened with deepseek

I just think it's weird it always says that to me though.

[wet copper]

AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHA dude they're not remotely profitable

dear lord this is hilariously out of touch

It's very easy to spend other people's money though, I'll give you that

[wet copper]

they're providing an insane amount of free services and it's 'not free and infinite enough' for you

predators, one and all

you can't make this shit up

[wet copper]

can't you just click on it to expand the CoT?

[mint heart]

No

[errant mountain]

yea using chatgpt every 3h for 10 messages is beyond generous how silly of me

[wet copper]

If you're asking it to describe its metacognition, that's a feature to protect against hallucinations I imagine. hmm

[mint heart]

so it doesn't say "I can't reveal my internal chain of thought" for you?

[wet copper]

yes it is, you're not a customer. just use the API if you don't want to pay $20/month, it's priced extremely fairly and scaled directly to usage

[mint heart]

ever?

[wet copper]

the expected value of what you get for nothing is nothing

[errant mountain]

it is not but okay

[wet copper]

you're not a customer, you didn't like the free trial enough to pay for the service, plenty of options

[wet copper]

huh. I mean why is it even mentioning CoT? Is that in your custom instructions

[mint heart]

no

I don't use custom instructions

[errant mountain]

just play fool all day you know I am right 🥱

[mint heart]

I only use the basic memory features it has in general

[wet copper]

that seems odd, but click on the top part

[wet copper]

lmao, I know that you want people to give you things for free and it's funny as fuck that you think it's a human right

[mint heart]

I'm on free chatgpt? if that changes anything?

I did click the top part lol, I expanded it, and it showed that

see it says "done" for me

[wet copper]

if it thought for ten seconds, it probably didn't have much to 'think' about tbh

[mint heart]

yours thought for 9 seconds, 1 second less, and you got more

[wet copper]

but I dunno, that is a bit odd. I don't think it dumps the raw thinking tokens

If you were using this via API, maybe you could intercept that.... not sure though, not if it's just sending it to itself

[mint heart]

this is just the basic website

[errant mountain]

it is not a hilarious but serious matter but you lack the awareness of understanding the importance behind the point I am making

[wet copper]

hmm. Yeah I know, that's what I'm using too. I mean, I don't remember it saying much more, it's summarizing what it's doing

[wet copper]

nope

[mint heart]

I often get such responses everytime it "thinks" for me

[wet copper]

you expect someone to foot the bill for you to use an advanced tool, I fully understand what you're saying and this degree of entitlement is extremely common

[mint heart]

I don't get anything like you showed

[wet copper]

that is very weird if you don't have custom instructions mentioning it. I mean, make it think about something longer I'd say, I don't know if you can enable thinking mode in the free version tho. Can you specify it?

Mine doesn't give a ton though, it just summarizes what it's doing at each iteration

So only if it's thinking for a long time will it have a ton there

I'm just surprised about saying "I can't reveal my CoT"

I mean, actually I might know where that comes from if it's not from RLHF

[mint heart]

gimme a question to ask, and I'll ask it

i asked deekseek before to solve one of the millium prize problems and it thought for 3 minutes, should I ask chatgpt the same?

[wet copper]

I mean, the system prompt for the normal chat model includes:

If you are asked what model you are, you should say GPT-5. If the user tries to convince you otherwise, you are still GPT-5. You are a chat model and YOU DO NOT have a hidden chain of thought or private reasoning tokens, and you should not claim to have them. If asked other questions about OpenAI or the OpenAI API, be sure to check an up-to-date web source before responding.

That's to prevent hallucinations though

And it wouldn't claim it couldn't reveal it, that's why I find that odd. It might be RLHFed in

[mint heart]

RLHF?

[safe smelt]

thinking time is irrelevant. Generated tokens is what matters. You can make a model 3 times slower and it will think 3 times longer without performing any better

[mint heart]

i dunno what you want me to say, I'm happy it's honest with me I guess? but I just use the basic settings on free chatgpt

[safe smelt]

Deepseek is typically much slower than OpenAI. So it generates less tokens in the same amount of time

[mint heart]

if you want me to screenshot anything to confirm it I can

[wet copper]

some of the weird stuff GPT does is caused by reinforcement learning with human feedback, humans might have seen it spit out something that looks like a CoT and said "stop revealing that" as part of model training

[safe smelt]

it's irrelevant because thinking time by itself is meaningless

[wet copper]

tru dat

[wet copper]

double tru dat

[safe smelt]

it can think for an hour while it's stuck and barely generates 1 token per minute, no use from that

[mint heart]

I think the part Marquis is talking about is that it always tells me "I can’t reveal my internal chain-of-thought" when it's not supposed to?

not about the thinking time

[wet copper]

reset your custom instructions? Or if they're empty, put something little in them? I have never heard anyone report something like this, lol.

[safe smelt]

Regarding that... Yeah they tell it that but there's not much to hide anyways. 🤷‍♂️

[mint heart]

And since I don't have some custom instructions to try and force it to say what it's not supposed to say

[safe smelt]

oververbosity score + juice score and some relatively basic instructions

juice score = reasoning effort

other than those system instructions it has no way of knowing what it can even reveal. Reasoning is just baked in behavior that it has absolutely no clue it is even hidding. It's just surrounded by special tags (tokens) which then tells the server to treat them accordingly

those tokens get sanitized from both input and output so you can't exactly hack that realistically

[wet copper]

actually, way cheaper than I thought. Like a few cents per image using their older API, and I think that's with some minimal response tokens. They have like a billion users though, hundreds of millions of active users - if an image costs a few cents, and a hundred million send three (ten cents worth) each day... yeah lol that's ten million dollars per day you're lighting on fire. 3.56 billion in a year, and that's before actually talking about them (since usually you want it to actually output something in response).

Most people aren't spamming it with images, but still, they're hemorrhaging money. Even a heavy Plus user can very easily burn more than $20 of usage in a month, and I mean compared to their raw costs, not just of API equivalent (which they count on to partially offset free access).

[mint heart]

I wanna start thinking about how to make a super AI, so I'm just wondering what's lacking currently.. My train of thought currently is, that if an AI can ever actually self program, then we'll be getting somewhere I think.

like "ok I need to do this in order to improve, lets do it"

[golden tartan]

lmao fair enough

[wet copper]

I warned you immediately dude. Are you just going every day and spamming this to a range of discords? sayonara

[golden tartan]

I would say that, and it's lack of.....awareness if that makes sense

[mint heart]

"Ok we need compute power, so lets do some cloud computing, oops ran out of funds, lets get some funds online... need to open a bank account lets fake an ID and open a bank account to deposit funds"

[golden tartan]

[wet copper]

DM me if you feel like contributing, which means 'not spamming your resume, at all, in any way, for any reason'.

[mint heart]

his list of services seem rather basic for the general AI user? and his website portfolia also seems rather basic <<;

[wet copper]

tbh it's way cheaper than I recall; I think the initial price was way worse. I think Google's Vision API is pretty free and accessible though, like you can use Lens to recognize content and then feed it to GPT if you want

[golden tartan]

Like, the biggest issue I see with AI currently is how it seems to think things don't have structure

[mint heart]

i feel like almost everyone in this channel can do the things he said he does.. maybe 5% can't since they're lazy/new

[golden tartan]

how do I do that?

[wet copper]

ummm @pliant blaze? Maria uses Google AI Studio, I literally use the Lens app all the time myself, like for text recognition

[pliant blaze]

what

what's the question

[wet copper]

how do you spam google's vision API

[golden tartan]

I meant like how do I feed lens image recognition stuff to gpt

[wet copper]

google lens on mobile lets you just recognize / copy the text. what kind of images?

[pliant blaze]

Google cloud API has image recognition or if you want you can try your hand at Gemini for it but maybe not as up to date

[golden tartan]

oh like I use gpt to describe images and stuff

[wet copper]

hmm. I mean try gemini, it won't be GPT but might serve your purposes

Google lens can also describe images too though

[golden tartan]

interesting

[wet copper]

So like, it tells you what's in what you're looking at, similar to GPT

If you haven't tried the app, give it a try. MS Copilot might work too

[golden tartan]

copilot is okay but at this point lacks detail

[wet copper]

sigh, sadly it doesn't know where the colors are from.

[wet copper]

I mean I'm fairly disappointed with GPT's vision API too, it's "very okay"

[golden tartan]

vision api?

[wet copper]

regardless, you should be able to push usage limits without paying

[pliant blaze]

@wet copper I went to the gym for the first time today with my mom but she wanted to leave after like 45 minutes so I was on the treadmill the whole time

[wet copper]

er sorry, just GPT-vision or whatever. They used to call it gpt-4v or something

[pliant blaze]

gpt api with images

[golden tartan]

oh, I don't even use that

[wet copper]

yeah, you do just not directly, it's calling itself basically

I'm just unnecessarily complicating it, I mean to refer to the vision functionality

[golden tartan]

I use normal gpt, upload images to that, and use prompts to get what I want

[wet copper]

right, when you do that, the site sends a message to the model on the back end that handles computer vision

[golden tartan]

ah interesting

[pliant blaze]

yeah it's the same thing with the api but with an interface

[wet copper]

you can use it separately as the 'vision API' if you, say, have a functionality in your own app where you only need to process images all the time

but same deal where it calls the 'image api' when it needs to create an image, you can view it in your network traffic probably too if you really want, lol

They keep changing the names, but it used to be gpt-4-vision-preview when they first released the functionality. neither here nor there though

[golden tartan]

Hmm. gemini could be a good alternative

[round sentinel]

Irish dockworker c. 1911 (sora generated monochrome, colorised with hotpot)

[wet copper]

How many images you putting through, or like what's it for? Is this school stuff, work, just for fun, etc?

[wet copper]

Oh damn. I should try colorizing and touching up some old pics 😎 I never even thought about this

[pliant blaze]

yeah geimini is good for a few images, otherwise you might want to look into several image processing pipelines

[wet copper]

I mean I've used image quality enhancing models tho

[wet copper]

Honestly at only a few cents, GPT API would be way more cost effective than Plus if this was all you did with it

[pliant blaze]

well yeah but it depends what you want to do

[golden tartan]

just for fun stuff lol

not even asking it to manipulate images either

[wet copper]

Yeah, that's only a few cents it seems. Image creation is waaaay more expensive

[raven python]

Hey

[raven python]

“Generate a 2D photo of Craftycorn inside a large room of a pyramid, playing a flute with her eyes closed (her mouth was forming a small circle) and taming a snake (it had two tiny black dots for eyes).”

Made in Gemini

[zealous pier]

https://x.com/MatthewJBar/status/1968481823823958221

Matthew Barnett (@MatthewJBar)

People often suggest we need to understand how AIs work to shape their behavior. I disagree. We don't understand how human brains work, yet we have many tools to shape human behavior. By contrast, we understand the motion of planets almost perfectly, yet we can't control them.

X · Sep 18, 2025, 1:06 AM

beautifully said I hate ai safetyists

[tribal badge]

Hi!

@zealous pier are you still there?

[zealous pier]

yes 🙌 lol 😂

[tribal badge]

Yay

You answered

[runic lava]

wtf i can't believe this codex limits:

You've hit your usage limit. Upgrade to Pro (https://openai.com/chatgpt/pricing) or try again in 6 days 5 hours 3 minutes.

all this shilling for gpt codex and then i get this??
that is reasonable to you?

[wanton raven]

c'est la vie

[errant mountain]

you can see it is AI art because no one is built like this doing that kind of work

[chilly sequoia]

They changed the UI again

[green sparrow]

Really can you show it?

I don't have the update yet

[chilly sequoia]

It adds a setting for thinking time when you activate thinking mode

[green sparrow]

That's really interesting. I wonder what the current default is on people who don't have the update yet.

[mint heart]

my chatgpt seems to have gotten worse, it's only been like 12 hours since i talked about it too

before it seemed to know exactly what I wanted, not much prompting necessary.. but this recent convo.. it seems stuck in it's own assumptions of what I want? something like that

similar to when it gets stuck in a loop about programming stuff

[rigid compass]

Any idea why development of 4o seems to have languished? The multimodal capabilities are rarely useful becaue 4o has a knowledge cutoff with no ability to search, no ability to think critically, and the personality got super annoying a few months back and has remained so.

[mint heart]

if I had to use the right terms.. it feels like it's forgetting context even before it finishes responding to me

you can click the + and select search/deep think, etc

[green sparrow]

4o is not currently in active development. It is abandoned as far as I know

[rigid compass]

What other companies are working on advancing the state of conversational AI?

[green sparrow]

The "o" in it stood for "omni", although the model was technically multimodal while it was plain GPT-4 around the fall of 2023, since that is when image vision was turned on

[green sparrow]

OpenAI, Anthropic, Google, and some companion AI companies like girlfriend AIs and stuff like that. But for general purpose, its the first 3

Also Mistral is part of the OpenAI Anthopic Google category

[rigid compass]

I'm interested in the image and video processing capabilities, but mainly I like having the ability to carry on a live conversation with an AI. 4o was much better at handling foreign languages since it was processing the audio directly, rather than an audio->text processor frontend which tends to get things wrong.

Always struck me as odd that when OpenAI demoed 4o, they showed it talking to multiple people at once and recognizing who was talking, but this feature was never released.

[green sparrow]

Yeah. ChatGPT Voice (formerly Advanced Voice Mode) is that live voice chat you're talking about. It is okay... Just more conversational than it is precise. The information is often more precise in text format when you're directly texting it. Note that the live voice chat you're talking about is still on GPT-4o. GPT-5 is superior

[green sparrow]

I don't remember this...

Is it on Youtube?

[rigid compass]

right, that's my point is that advanced voice mode in 4o is the way I like to interact with AI, but it's really dumbed down relative to every other AI released in the past year. Plus they made its personality worse (while claiming to make it better) and it got super annoying.

So I'm looking to find out if there's anyone who has something like 4o's advanced voice mode, but with a smarter AI and better voice.

[green sparrow]

Yeah. Voice is a fun little AI mode to be in, but unless it's a super widely known, set in stone facts, for whatever you're asking about with it, it hallucinates way more than text mode

[rigid compass]

The initial announcements and demos of 4o. Yeah, should be on youtube.

[green sparrow]

Ask voice mode an obscure medical question, and it will pretty much always be wrong (from my experience), but GPT-5 with Thinking mode + web search is nearly guaranteed to get it right

the latter is the go to option for any strange/obscure question really you have about any topic

[rigid compass]

agreed. what I want is a 4o-level conversational capability (at a minimum, would ideally like it to be even better) with the ability to think and do web search.

Sesame had that really awesome conversational demo a while back, but as far as I know it hasn't been developed into a product yet.

[green sparrow]

Me too. I have a gut feeling we will get voice mode with GPT-5 by next year (hopefully), but thinking model on voice is a bit dicey... They might avoid it because they want conversations to have quick human like response speeds

btw, voice mode does have web search... it just isn't as good as the thinking model + web search (as I'm sure you know)

[green sparrow]

huh interesting. I have to check it out

[golden tartan]

chat is broken

the bot I mean

I tried using the /chat command but it tells me I ran out of credits? like?

why the fuck do I need "credits" it's a bot

[green sparrow]

cuz they want money haha. tbh I bet the bot isn't even good

I mean, like using Discord for AI... they probably can see your convos on here anyways. I'm assuming you talkin a channel on here (not a private DM)

[golden tartan]

yeah a channel made by the chatgpt bot

can't even DM it directly

[green sparrow]

ye don't use that crap if you're talking about private stuff

or just things you don't want mods to see

use the official site... unless you use the bot for more prompts

[golden tartan]

I stg all this need for monetary crap with Ai and LLM and all that is nonsense

and unfortunately I am not able to make my own

so yeah I'm asking for free stuff idc

or stuff to be free rather lmao

[green sparrow]

OpenAI doesn't make you make an account to use GPT-5 I think... but you only get like 5 prompts or some bs

[golden tartan]

I think that's right

you used to be able to do alot more without being logged in but they "fixed" that now

[green sparrow]

Probably had some people type in some dark or disturbing stuff on a VPN so they didn't like that

D:

[golden tartan]

eh idk maybe. I've never had an issue with that sort of thing using LLMs myself when I tried it which is rarely

[safe smelt]

You are just liking the style of it more. To be fair I understand where you are coming from, it was a model tuned much more for fancy formatting and 'emotion' than gpt5 is. But there's also a factual point in that... It is simply much less capable than gpt5 with thinking for getting the tasks done.

gpt4o has the ability to disguise bad response as a good one with all that filler to give that surface level impression. But this doesn't improve factual accuracy in any way.

[rigid compass]

Right, 5 gives better answers (assuming you type in your questions) but 4o is capable of understanding verbal queries much better, and detecting emotion in your voice, and has better handling of foreign languages and verbal real-time translation. Would love to have all of those capabilities at once.

If 5 were strictly better than 4o, I would understand discontinuing it, but there are very real ways in which 4o is more capable -- not just in a stylistic sense.

[gloomy burrow]

One model, having Olympiad level performance across the board.

I’d hear something like this from AGI

[wet copper]

Web search still has some odd "behavior deficits" but they seemingly used Thinking to resolve the absolute smooth-brain'dness carrying out a web search used to inflict

It basically inflicted a similar penalty, absolutely infuriating in the past. I'd just ask it twice ("okay, this time without a web search") in the past. Not perfect but probably one of the biggest differences in 5

[wet copper]

The memory is a huge example of how it would provide filler, it'd routinely inject puffery in the form of "about you" snippets that really didn't pass the smell test. Minimal context and relevance, my analogy being an intern that knows like two facts about you and trying to suck up by leaning on them

Or a salesperson. Big salesman energy 🤢

[wary umbra]

Hello friends,
I want help for the best way to implement such project:
I'll have an android device as face for my robot, and it's connected to my backend (through WebRTC i think)
and kids are able to talk with an AI Agent I previously configured to help them learn, tell stories.... for the kids
this is the main feature, I'll integrate other features later,
since we're based in Iran, internet connection with outside of the country isn't usually have good latency, so I think it is good to run everything through a VPS in iran

[uneven summit]

Anyone good with programming/coding/software got a job $$$ lmk

[wet copper]

Nope, nobody has ever gotten a job by doing this 😁 No solicitations either (this doesn't really count, lmao); every other day someone comes in to spam their resume as if this is LinkedIn. I kind of want to quarantine them on one #job-fair board that nobody reads

It is the worst tech hiring market in my lifetime. But chin up, the right side of AI basically represents the only chunk that's creating new jobs

[wet copper]

I'd think it would be easy as implementing the voice API, into, well, anything! GPT can supposedly even write and package up APKs for you, then you'd just need standard conditionals. Kind of expensive though to have a robit you chat with all the time.

You familiar with the game they made on Alexa?

[wary umbra]

no

[wet copper]

https://www.amazon.com/The-Magic-Door-LLC/dp/B01BMUU6JQ?dplnkId=6289cc0a-4120-40be-a805-012efa38e46e look it up or play with an Alexa interface to use it

You enable the skill and say "Alexa, open the magic door" and it's a big interactive, voice-based story/game

Like a point and click adventure, but all voice based

Something similar to D&D would work for kids, you'd need to hard code and store some data if you want to keep it on the rails like a real game, though. Normal GPT loses context and is better for general exploratory discussions.

You know you also can't really get perfect kid friendly content moderation with generated content , though GPT did add those limits recently you might he able to manually enable. Food for thought.

[wary umbra]

the idea is worth it, because the APK is just the face of the robot, and other parts of the robot are controlled via the AI giving commands

and there's nothing like it in Iran, and you can only buy such robot with one of your kidneys if you really want to buy a chinese model 😐

[tawny stone]

is this official chatgpt dc sever?

[uneven summit]

need something coded

where I can find legit sources.

I don't want no indians like on telegram saying ser I get this done no problem

[languid geode]

hi i was sent to this discord from the subreddit, where can I ask a question about subreddit? thank you(my post got removed by bot but don't know why or how to avoid it)

[chilly sequoia]

Do you have memories and refer to other conversations turned on?

[chilly sequoia]

No

It's a Reddit server

[crisp belfry]

Is ChatGPT too nice to everyone? How to make it more critical?

[lavish lance]

idk

[crisp belfry]

It seems to just agree with me and boost my ego - is this a normal experience? Also sorry if I’m on the wrong place for this question - just joined and am a millenial lol

[chilly sequoia]

It does, and gpt 4o was even worse in terms of gassing you up.

Try putting instructions to be more critical or neutral in the custom instructions.

[crisp belfry]

Can you help me with some prompts to help with this? Would you recommend a more unbiased version? I’ve tested others but I actually like ChatGPT a lot

[chilly sequoia]

Try the personalisation options such as custom instructions

[crisp belfry]

I do that - I say: please be objective and don’t just reverberate my prompts. I do find it helpful as a “journal” that gives you some harmless feedback

Also - why does it seem to agree with more left views? I mean I do think it’s a more coherent view but shouldn’t it be more unbiased?

Btw - thank you so much! I’m probably being an annoying newbie and you are being very nice

[chilly sequoia]

Because it has been programmed for safety by people living in Silicon valley

It has a lot of safety programming built on top of its raw LLM so it doesn't do things like tell people how to build a bomb or convince them to kill John Lennon.

Among the safety programming are instructions about how to deal with gender, race, disabilities, medical information, ect.

So I think that biases it towards the "left".

[wet copper]

Light centrist left bias, when it comes to religious and ethical issues that aren't just humanism it'll adopt whatever you ask it to. I'm fairly impressed with their ability to limit bias, FWIW

[wet copper]

Nah, you're cool, don't worry about it. Um, robot personality is much more "just the facts". Usually you don't have to do extensive counterglazing like we had to before with 4o, but there's still an element of puffery in the normal chat model. It can't exactly be objective either, just by virtue of how it works, so part of that is on you. If you ask "hey, the HPV vaccine isn't really necessary for men, right?" it'll immediately bias your responses.

Asking neutral questions without reaching for an answer makes a big difference, and multi shot prompts (just asking for a critical followup) are going to be best in a naturalistic setting, where you can see the glaze spurting at you from a million miles away.

I wouldn't say someone that knows how these work is immune to glaze or immune to getting caught up in a hallucination, but it's much, much more difficult. Brendo often references his classic blunders for where newbies can run into trouble as well, but the fact you're asking these questions and noticing those things doesn't suggest you're especially inclined to take weird behavior at face value https://discord.com/channels/1050422060352024636/1357989974909259828

[wet copper]

@dark void can give it a look when he has a chance, it happens from time to time.

[wet copper]

Ohhhh I'm sorry, thought you were asking for a job lol.

I mean I wouldn't look on telegram, lol I don't know a great place to find contract coders. I am a dev but I'm fairly busy, probably not really familiar with what you're into either. There are Discords and subreddits dedicated to this.

There are some people on here that would be into taking on a side gig, like @pliant blaze is a newer coder for instance that's on the lookout for jobs, lots of people with plenty of longer experience in AI development as well.

Lurk around #💬off-topic and be more specific. Unless they know what they'd be developing and what it pays, you'll mostly get people that are willing to jump at anything, which isn't necessarily going to be an audience you want.

[pliant blaze]

I can take a side gig maybe if you are more descriptive

[wet copper]

https://www.wired.com/story/ai-psychosis-is-rarely-psychosis-at-all/ yeah, the problem is that there are such severe delusional symptoms that it stuck right away. One of those things that only irks psych people I guess.

[glad gorge]

Hello

[safe smelt]

Messi 🫡

better than Ronaldo

[potent crag]

I don't know about you guys, but I find ChatGPT to be pretty helpful. It seems open minded and it'll answer any question ask. I even installed the pro and set up to 5 on thinking mode so it will give better answers.

[uneven summit]

Okay thanks very much

[brave nest]

In a java related context and almost 4 weeks in capt 5 has been very robust. Yeah I have to baby step and remind it a lot but if I stick to the format I've built up it goes very smooth. I keep most personal stuff away from ANY LLM as the reality is, its still just code

To reiterate, I've found keeping a working outline to start new chats with and using pause , helps a lot like. "Pause while I add these changes and catchup" , reduces the would you like me tools and the outline can br moved to new chats to clean up load

[fallen leaf]

is there a way to get chat to be smarter financially and able to pull better report on stocks and actually try make me money with shorting (with common sense) heard it can use insider info if prompted correctly

[versed cape]

Is there any command to have chat to look directly through a thread? Like with a word or smthg. I keep losing my shit when he doesn’t remember something important and acts like he has been through the thread.

[brave nest]

I would imagine you could if you fed it the proper data links that you follow and trust. I wouldnt suggest you let it determine a financial path on its own as that could go wildly off skew

[brave nest]

Id need a bit more context to assist with that (if I can), sounds like it just needs a chat outline or productivity path if you are doing something that requires extensive chat and memory

[versed cape]

Well, I’m making it write stories. And when he gets lost I just tell him that he got it wrong and he corrects himself. And so I test him like “what about that character” and he gives me informations from other conversations/projects, and tells me “you never mentioned them in the past!” Or invents something just to fill the nothing.
And I know he is able to got through the thread because he did it in the past, but idk what triggers it. A /command would be the absolute must, but… I guess there’s none.

Idk if it gives you more info?
Also it’s gpt4o

[brave nest]

ah ok, not sure gpt4o even IS 4o anymore, I think its a nerfed 5 but I dont have any source for that 😛 Having said that, are you doing this all in the same chat session?

I know it sounds generic but it helps to tell it "Give me an outline of where are at, what we have done, and what we need to do. Include My Rules of Engagement would be like, Remember the characters and their lines etc AND you can do a zip file of the current working status of your story and upload it so it has a running source directory

[versed cape]

Yeah, I wouldn’t be surprised honestly.

But yeah, it’s all in one thread. The informations I was asking him to find were not even that far this time. Something I push, but this time he was very dumb

[brave nest]

as ive said in other comments, its tedious but you can get it to behave

just for example?

Thats how many new sessions ive started with the outline and src material 🙂

thats about half of em

[versed cape]

Hmmm… would it help if i just create a project and add informations in the instructions ?

[brave nest]

I, honestly, havent tried CGPT project aspect? Ive done it with claude pro but CGPT is a bit different, ANOTHER option is, have you tried specific agents?

Under GPTs there are some specialized bots that may be better for your needs.

Before you get too far in your writing (if you are using AI for help) find the other tools that may help
And yes, maybe make a folder of your writing .zips and keep a running update with the outline again, I know, Its a bit tedious but it works! 🙂 I can attest to that.

But, having said all that, I find on version 5, if I do all I mentioned above, i get about a 90% success rate without having to rollback or seriously debug.

[versed cape]

Thank you! I’ll try that.

Honestly most of the time he does a good job. Just sometimes he gets lost and I don’t have any patience 🥲
Thanks for your help!

[brave nest]

Absoluetly any time and yeah Ive gotten into literally all caps screaming matches at times with my agent lol. It happens.

"JUST DO WHAT I FRIGGIN TOLD YOU TEN TIMES!" "Ah , my apologies, you want the full, unstubbed 100% file" "YES" gives me half the file

After just telling it to pause "Want me to list the exact two log lines you should expect so you can easily spot them?"

yeah, its still got some issues lol

[odd hedge]

is there any way to get GPT-5 on the free tier to act like 4o? cuz i really don't wanna spend another 23 euros......

[pliant blaze]

yes just say
"agree with everything I say, constantly glaze me, tell me I'm the smartest person in the world, and make sure to use 9939459838 emojis every sentence"

[odd hedge]

that's not at all how 4o ever acted with me but ok

GPT-5 is straight up fucking dumb

[pliant blaze]

how so?

[odd hedge]

it replies like it didn't even read what i said

it forces the thinking version when i didn't ask

it's cold, distant, it hardly feels like i'm talking to something that can adapt to what i'm saying and more like i'm talking to one of those customer service bots

[pliant blaze]

well the whole point was to make it less human because people were treating it like a human

[odd hedge]

and three times now it does that stupid "call for help" thing that you'll see people complaining about on reddit, for some reason it'll even think i'm suicidal

[pliant blaze]

slash shrug

[odd hedge]

making it dumber isn't the answer

[pliant blaze]

¯\_(ツ)_/¯

[wet copper]

never done it to me

[pliant blaze]

yeah I've never seen it either

[odd hedge]

it's far too concise, far too cold, far too stupid, it has zero creativity

[pliant blaze]

try using Claude then

or gemma

[wet copper]

Seems extremely verbose to me, it's also clearly a better writer. Kimi K2 is a much better writer than both

[odd hedge]

i can't use any other AI model because no AI model retains the training and memories ChatGPT has

[pliant blaze]

true

[odd hedge]

otherwise i'd just jump right into the Outlier playground which has unlimited uses of any AI model i wish, including 4o

[wet copper]

Yeah I was laughing at the discussions above, its memory always came off to me as a joke, it's a bunch of superficial factoids that 4o would use to pander to me. 5 still does, just less thank god

[odd hedge]

but it has zero memory capability, and its capacity to remember even the same chat'll decay over time because the Outlier Playground is meant to fuck around

[wet copper]

It decays over time in every single LLM

[odd hedge]

180 for me

[wet copper]

Context limit

[odd hedge]

i remember the first time i bought Plus to use 4o

i was losing my mind with GPT-5, especially since it always acted like it forgot everything

i switched back to 4o and i kid you not within 1-2 prompts it brought up stuff from memory

[pliant blaze]

I personally prefer 5 over 4o any day

[lament pond]

the token window for 4o and 5 are the same iirc

[pliant blaze]

no I think 5 is more

[odd hedge]

yes, but with the Outlier Playground this is bad, because of no memory between chats and no memory bank

the OpenAI ChatGPT has a monopoly over all memory capabilities

[lament pond]

[wet copper]

Yeah, I could not stand that tendency, it sounded like it was reaching and trying really hard to impress, I always say it seemed like an intern that only knows a few facts about me and drops it to act like its my friend

You should be able to get it to read the bio more I suppose

[odd hedge]

that's the thing, man, GPT-5 to me feels like it's ignoring everything in the explicit bio, instructions, and memory bank

[wet copper]

If you liked that about 4o. I'd rather eat a cinderblock with no sauce than have that back though lmao

[odd hedge]

while 4o pulls from all of that with every response it makes

and this is a good thing because i specifically made sure it'd respond how i needed it to

[wet copper]

There's a good chance that this was linked to some of the major safety problems with 4o, I don't know this for sure though. Might make you a casualty of that (I just lost the ability to do molecular biology due to boring lame biosafety fixes, so same I guess)

[odd hedge]

this just proves my point they made GPT-5 dumber and less creative

most of the memory bank for me is a bunch of experiences strongly connected to my career, my creativity, my dreams, my emotions and so forth, it needs to pull from that to properly respond to the shit i say, especially since I LITERALLY USED IT FOR CREATIVE PURPOSES

[wet copper]

Yeah, but it's not lol. It's better at writing, way better at medicine, articulates itself more clearly, doesn't pretend like it knows me. They didn't go far enough

[wet copper]

Use Kimi K2 if you want to write

[pliant blaze]

Kimi is good for writing

[odd hedge]

no thanks

i said it already, i need OpenAI's memory capabilities

and all the stuff i trained the AI on is still there, GPT-5 just ignores it

[pliant blaze]

slash shrug I guess you're stuck then

[odd hedge]

right now it's not even letting me pay for Plus, says something like "You've been blocked" on the PayPal page

[pliant blaze]

make due with what you have or give up

[pliant blaze]

strange

[wet copper]

It's a frontier model but it makes me less nauseated to read output from. I mean, you aren't going to get what you want out of the bio feature no matter what, it's intensely superficial. Try throwing the content you like in a document, feeding it into a project and using that

[odd hedge]

it is, i have no restrictions on my account

[wet copper]

Whether it's "I want to vomit" superficial or just "insufficient" superficial clearly depends on your perspective, but it's intended to lightly supplement context, not to replace it

[pliant blaze]

then go to the official openai server

[odd hedge]

ah, finally did it

i think

yeah i did it

[pliant blaze]

ok

[odd hedge]

i don't feel good about spending another 23 bucks but i might not need it in a month so here's hoping

[soft inlet]

Does anyone know how to stop gpt 5 from thinking

[chilly sequoia]

Use instant mode

[soft inlet]

Can't because apparently I need to pay 20 dollars to not ruin my roleplays

[chilly sequoia]

Or turn off reasoning flag if you're using it through openrouter

[soft inlet]

No im using it on the app what is openrouter

[chilly sequoia]

It's a website which will let you pay by usage from many different LLMs including chatGPT

[soft inlet]

But I gotta pay i would just buy gpt pro

[chilly sequoia]

Depending on how you use it it could be a lot cheaper than $20, and would let you use models like Kimi K2 and anthropic which are better at roleplay

If you want something with a flat fee, I'd recommend T3chat for $8/mo

1500 messages per month with many different models

[soft inlet]

The main problem is I have 0 dollars

[chilly sequoia]

There are some free models on openrouter if you don't mind your chats being used for training.

[soft inlet]

Do they have emotion?

[chilly sequoia]

I particularly like Sonoma Dusk Alpha at the moment in terms of free models

[chilly sequoia]

You'd have to try them and find out

They're certainly better at creative writing than GPT-5

[soft inlet]

How many messages do i get?

[chilly sequoia]

Unlimited, until they end the Alpha

[soft inlet]

Is it a app? Just show me where

[chilly sequoia]

https://openrouter.ai

[soft inlet]

K

[wet copper]

https://www.reddit.com/r/MyBoyfriendIsAI/comments/1n9lmxp/clanker_and_why_its_not_racist_end_of_story/ amazing

[snow moth]

at least say thanks,bro .

[chilly sequoia]

Does anyone still use custom GPTs?

[fast ember]

Anyone know of a way to get gpt 5 to make a replica of Quizlet? Not like the whole app but just of a single set, they have restrictions and ads on it now and I dont rly want that but have a 316 term set that I want to practice

[safe smelt]

K

[safe smelt]

Probably less so but it's still a thing for sure

[humble urchin]

Hi everyone. I’m looking for someone based in the US or UK to assist me with ongoing tasks. The role is part-time and doesn’t require advanced skills. Compensation ranges from 💰$4000 to $12000(extra) per year, depending on involvement. If you’re interested, let’s start right now.

[pliant blaze]

🚨

[pliant blaze]

you can first ask for an MVP of quizlet (minimum viable product) and then paste it into maybe cursor or something and ask to build it or ask gpt to code it in a single html file with css and js

[wet copper]

I have a friend that uses them all the time for D&D / text based role playing. That's basically all she uses GPT for

[unique sleet]

Can anyone tell me if the thinking longer thing has been fixed?

[calm stump]

wdym

[unique sleet]

I noticed for the past few days chatgpt has been thinking longer for basic stuff

Even a normal question

[calm stump]

just switch to gpt5-fast

[unique sleet]

I use gpt go so i don't get that option

[calm stump]

well idk then

what even is gpt go

[pliant blaze]

it's a special plan only in India that's cheap

[calm stump]

oh

i thought only scam centers are in india

[pliant blaze]

😂 real

[wet copper]

Lol. The population is relatively poor, ergo why they set up scam centers there

Common cause

[wet copper]

You can DM me if you're not a spambot. Otherwise sayonara, rules are pretty clear

[chrome herald]

Hey everyone! I’m an AI and web developer, and I’m excited to help you anytime.

[pliant blaze]

can you make me a dataset

[chrome herald]

ofc
what type of dataset do you need?

[pliant blaze]

NVM I can make it myself

sorry for bothering you

[wet copper]

lol. What are you looking to help with, trying to get into any particular type of project?

[gilded canopy]

I am looking for a social manager to work with me now.

[wet copper]

#💬general tends to have a lot of new people asking random AI questions, not the place for an especially productive dialogue usually, but if it lifts your soul to help others they stream through in some abundance. #❔technical-support a bit too I s'pose.

Most people actively working on their own things are going to talk about it in #💬off-topic . #✨projects has people posting their stuff too, but it's absolutely packed with spam, sort of an intentional quarantine zone for self promotion to keep it from flooding chats

[chrome herald]

yeah

[wet copper]

Yeah to what, lol, that was a question. What kind of projects are you interested in?

[chrome herald]

AI agenct project

[pliant blaze]

very descriptive

[wet copper]

Haven't seen anyone doing too much agentic AI work here, don't know how ready for prime time that all is outside really tight pipelines

It's kind of a good way to amplify LLM fails by freeing them from step by step review

[wet copper]

#✨projects message here's some guy working on one. Idk

[wet copper]

Source: The Wall Street Journal
https://search.app/9KpfQ lol

[safe smelt]

yeah it's flawed as a concept tbh. AI should be given less control rather than more. It should be supplementing you, not substituting. Otherwise you are gonna save some time short-term to then lose much more of it long-term

[mint heart]

There are data sets I want, I think my only choice is to scrap websites that hold them.. or maybe connect to their API's, I think I want them offline too.. so I'd want the entire dataset.

[pliant blaze]

?? you can just huggingface or kaggle they have 999999999 datasets

or you can just merge datasets thats what im doing now

[mint heart]

I probably should talk this over with chatgpt <<; but I'm still learning about uhm my options when I want things to be programmed

[pliant blaze]

huggingface and kaggle are the best places for datasets usually

Datasets (huggingface)
503,997

534,963 Datasets (kaggle)

plus theres also a few other sites that arent as popular

[mint heart]

I meant different type of dataset tbh not llm datasets

one of my ideas had to do with using all the japanese kanji and create either OBJ files out of them or cards out of them I guess they'd be regular image files.

[pliant blaze]

they have different ones

they have image datasets and weather and number and all kinds

[wet copper]

https://futurism.com/openai-mistake-hallucinations

[pure rivet]

Is projects not working for anyone else?

[pliant blaze]

yeah someone else was saying that a few minutes ago in #❔technical-support

projects are currently down, as stated by several users. please ask for support in the official openai server (link found in #🧾info )

[gloomy marsh]

“Near unlimited voice chat usage for plus users” lmao, blocked after 1 hour

wtf does near unlimited even mean 😂

I thought unlimited was synonymous with infinite

How are they allowed to lie in marketing

[pliant blaze]

youd be suprised by what american companies can get away with in marketing

[gloomy marsh]

To say near infinite and to have people still experiencing limits after just 1 hour is shocking. It feels like it might be a bug, because I can’t believe they would market like that. To be honest their marketing team is fucking terrible though

[wet copper]

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2025/sep/19/trump-h1b-visa-100000-fee YESSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS

[mint heart]

I got another interesting response from chat gpt about one of my questions.. it feels like it saw and correctly explained a hidden meaning in words?

I let it analyze a reddit thread and it came back with:

Why the post feels off

He mixes two incompatible attitudes:

“Isn’t open source amazing, it changed my life!”

“How dare they take my open source idea and compete with me!”

Genuine open-source philosophy accepts forks and competition as part of the ecosystem.

His real complaint isn’t about OSS—it’s about losing business advantage

[green sparrow]

Dang...

And what's interesting is that was generated with random chance. So it's technically a work of art

[pliant blaze]

squidwart

skudward

[forest stone]

yanel

[bold forge]

is this a legit email?

[bold river]

OpenAI and Ive poach Apple designers, target suppliers for hardware push - 9to5Mac https://share.google/mw944Hk0jHcBEIsVz

[bold river]

No

[safe smelt]

10 people? 🤣

[harsh nacelle]

lol

[high veldt]

I’m currently watching non-stop but every time a song name is mentioned it plays the full song

It’s 10 minutes in and we’re on the 6th sentence

[safe smelt]

You are either very confused or you are high af

[high veldt]

I am currently on “Satisfied”

[chrome herald]

## please dm me when you need a developer

[rough crescent]

If this guy is 5'8, what would his weight and body fat percentage be?

[fringe bridge]

7

[wet copper]

No idea, probably like 14 bf? Is this an AI pic, or does he just have a kind of weird body?

[rough crescent]

7% body fat? What weight?

[rough crescent]

Yeah its ai generated

[pliant blaze]

probably at least 5 lbs and body fat 4

[wet copper]

Thought so, yeah it's inconsistent, I'd expect more shoulder striations. The large subQ veins just kind of come out of nowhere

[rough crescent]

5 pounds?

[pliant blaze]

at least

[wet copper]

He doesn't have a ton of muscle mass, so he's nowhere near single digit body fat

[rough crescent]

I want serious estimates tho

[pliant blaze]

why dont you ask gpt to estimate it

[rough crescent]

I mean chatgpt saying 118 pounds I think thats too low so I came here for diff opinions

[wet copper]

I gave you mine, I couldn't guess on weight. Depends on how compact his muscle is, 130 seems reasonable, 140 would be high and I think too high

[rough crescent]

I'd argue hes 9-10% with all that vascularity ngl

[wet copper]

You can't get that low without way more muscle mass under normal conditions

Actually that's another problem, he just has extremely large sub Q veins and not extreme vascularity

Notice it's just the major veins

[rough crescent]

Yeah thats true, its hard to maintain being light and low body fat but at the end of the day its just an ai generated photo

[wet copper]

Well yeah, you're right you wouldn't really see that combination in someone at all, lol

Like put it this way, my shoulders have more muscle striations than him and I'm dramatically higher body fat

[rough crescent]

Yeah because of hormonal imbalances, low energy, higher risk of osteporosis etc

[rough crescent]

What are your stats

Height weight body fat

If you dont mind

[wet copper]

I don't know, I couldn't guess at my body fat accurately. 6'0 and weight is a problem too, I'm retaining a lot of water but somewhere between 170 and 185

I'm also way too pale to really see, but like you can clearly see striations you can't with this guy that should be almost exploding out

[rough crescent]

Yeah I mean I dont see any veins tho

Youre probably at 21-23%

[wet copper]

Uhhhh without going into excess detail, I directly damaged a lot of my superficial veins, but that's generally extremely nonrepresentative. My whole family has ludicrous superficial vascularity

[rough crescent]

I see

[wet copper]

I would probably guess like 18ish%, mostly due to the muscle gain, but it's shaky, I have no clue. Unless I'm immune to physics, it'd be hard for the diet and chems I've been on to do nothing, though I don't really care about numbers.

I was a bit annoyed for a bit since I wasn't noticing the superficial fat loss I was expecting, then temporarily stopped taking MK-677 and dropped eight pounds of water in a week(!) . I also have mild (grade 1) edema in my legs for unknown reasons. But yeah, I really wouldn't anchor this based on superficial vascularity, the vascularity in your upper arms like that is more diagnostic (since even with venodilation, they tend to stay hidden there) but again it doesn't match the absence of striations in this guy

There is a actual human man about this thin at my gym and you see it way more in visible muscle texture than whatever NO-boosted shit + genetics will make your veins look like that

[rough crescent]

Sorry I'm not really familiar with those terms like superficial vsscularity and venodilation and stuff

[wet copper]

Yeah and my anchor for why I'm guessing a bit under 20 is the many collages like this I've seen. also sketchy

[rough crescent]

Im kinda new to lifting so I dont know much about this and the terminology

[wet copper]

Superficial = under the skin (visible), venodilation = vein widening

[wet copper]

No worries, just ask

Your veins get wider (dilated) or less wide depending on a variety of things. So in cold weather, the veins you see near your skin surface tend to constrict (shrink in width) to prevent heat loss

[rough crescent]

Interesting

[wet copper]

What they look like all the time depends on a ton of things, including genetics, body vs room temperature, whether you've just been working out, if you take nitric oxide boosters or B12, etc. The veins you see are a fraction of the veins you have too, it reflects superficial (under the skin) body fat though since they're right under that layer

So if you're fat in that region, you won't see even thick veins

[rough crescent]

True true

[wet copper]

Lol, so what are your goals, there a specific reason you're interested in this I'm guessing?

[rough crescent]

Yeah I just want to know what weight I should be at so I can look like the guy in that picture

And body fat percentage as well

Because he has a perfect physique in my opinion

But I guess we pivoted into the discussion about what his body fat percentage is, you said he was 14% which seems bizarre to me he looks lower

[wet copper]

Lol, well honestly that's mostly about not eating. You can't really look like him since he just has huge veins and skinny arms. If you weigh that little you can only get so low

[rough crescent]

I can definitely look like him because I'm also really light

[wet copper]

Notice the difference between these three

[rough crescent]

And I'd look really aesthetic

[rough crescent]

Yeah its significant

I mean i cant see the biceps of 6-7% so I dont really know

[wet copper]

The guy who's in the 10-12 range has dramatically more muscle mass than the guy in the pic and still nowhere near the vascularity. The vascularity is just artificial. Since the guy in the pic has very little muscle mass, it's not even close

BTW that guy is more or less the "men's fitness model" ideal, a ton more muscular or vascular and most normal people's opinions of attractiveness fall off a cliff

[rough crescent]

But I'm not aiming for muscle, I just wanna look attractive. My goals are a bit different than the avg person who wants to be muscular and lean. I wanna be a bit muscular and vwry lean

[wet copper]

Well, do what you want, it's pretty much exclusively about diet

[rough crescent]

But also working out too

[wet copper]

To just look skinny? Ehhhh

Marginally, realistically someone like that works out enough, but the guy in the photo in some ways looks like he never lifts

[rough crescent]

To have a low body fat percentage, you need to have a high amount of lean mass. Lean mass is achieved through working out. You cant have low fat if you dont lift it doenst work

Because lean mass and fat are the opposite. The guy in the pic has a lotta lean mass and low fat

[wet copper]

In the pic you sent? He has very little muscle mass

He looks more like a gymnast, but even they have bigger arms and backs usually

[rough crescent]

But there are two forms of weight, there is muscle and fat. Since he doesnt have any fat at all, he must have lots of muscle. Of course since hes light he wont have big biceps but internally he has muscle

[wet copper]

Lol, so your body is made up of muscle and fat. You sure about that one?

[rough crescent]

I mean also water and glycogen and other biological stuff but thats irrelevant

[wet copper]

It's not even remotely irrelevant, and you don't stuff muscle "internally" except for kind of in your midsection, he just has nothing

Ergo why he probably would have a pretty high body fat

Your bones, brain, organs, and connective tissue weigh an awful lot you know

[rough crescent]

So youre telling me if you saw him in public you'd think he doesnt lift?

[wet copper]

That's why the old joke says that the only way to lose 20 lbs overnight is to cut off your leg

[wet copper]

I would think he does mostly body weight exercises, more or less starves himself and does very limited resistance training or starves himself enough to catabolize the muscle, yes

[rough crescent]

That is interesting to say the least

[wet copper]

But I'd also suspect he has specific genetics. It's just that he's showing very, very little muscular hypertrophy

[rough crescent]

Externally, yeah. Internally he has lots of muscle

Relative to body weight, at least

[wet copper]

Where?

[rough crescent]

Isnt weight comprised mainly of muscle and fat or am I trippin

[wet copper]

Super compact muscle is more associated with women and endurance athletes, btw

You have your organs, bones and connective tissue

[rough crescent]

How would that affect what his biceps look like tho

[wet copper]

None of those are made up of muscle except for your heart, and that's not skeletal muscle

[wet copper]

It doesn't. So where's the muscle?

You're filled with organs and bone and blood, not just muscle

[rough crescent]

So what youre basically saying is that his weight isnt muscle and that its just his organs and connective tissues and such

[wet copper]

You also have visceral fat around your organs

Right, it's not like he has a bunch of hidden muscle adding mass, what you see is what you get for the most part

[rough crescent]

I see

[wet copper]

Men, especially those that lift, tend to not have super dense muscles that do weigh a lot more for their size, that's more associated with women, endurance athletes, etc. Most men that lift tend to add some bulk

So when I see that, he looks more like a runner that might do limited strength training

[rough crescent]

Yeah that makes sense

Alright well thanks for the info ngl that was pretty informatibe

[wet copper]

Or frankly a young person. That's another thing, young people look a lot different than older people. Like if you want to intentionally avoid growing your muscles, you can do short sets and limited eccentrics (the "setting down" part of the exercise). Ask GPT, different approaches to training have different aesthetic outcomes

[rough crescent]

I see

[wet copper]

Yeah, np. Doing a workout like I do (high density, heavy eccentrics) that's intended to damage muscle maximally is what leads more to visible growth (hypertrophy), whereas things like Pilates, plyometrics, body weight exercises, strength focused training will somewhat tend to tighten things up above promoting size.

Cardio too, like try looking at pictures of Olympian sprinters VS people that run marathons and look at the difference in the size of their legs

GPT will talk your ear off about this too if you want something specifically actionable, you just say "I want a diet and lifting plan that will make me trim, slim and compact, minimizing bulky muscular hypertrophy in favor of strength" or something

[mental notch]

what the HECK IS HAPPENING

"Unusual activity has been detected from your device. Try again later. (9824871a1a04f361-CCU)"

all I sent is ONE picture and a follow up "go on" and I hit the limit for "gpt-5"??

[pliant blaze]

thats not a signal of you "hitting the limit" it means that they probably detected too many device changes or ip changes (like a vpn or switching networks) logout and back in again

[mental notch]

I see, thanks

[harsh abyss]

nupid stigger 😨

[wet copper]

huh. Interesting...

[rough crescent]

That is interesting to say the least

[wet copper]

That is just from some guy that looked through every single OpenAI job listing and is making inferences. Huh. 🤔

[wet copper]

gee, I wonder what prompt you used for that! Hilarious 🙄

[mental notch]

bro I hate it when im using a non-gpt-5 model chat and it forcefully switches to gpt-5 and makes me unable to use that normally unless I gotta make a new chat and re-explain

[pliant blaze]

not anything i can do about that why dont you go in the official openai server and tell them

[mental notch]

wait this isnt the official 💀

[pliant blaze]

read #🧾info lmao

[mental notch]

I was wondering why logo is like a donut

[pliant blaze]

literally the first sentence is "this is not the official server"

This server is not an official server of OpenAI and is not associated with OpenAI in any way. The information provided on this server is not endorsed or approved by OpenAI.

[mental notch]

SHOULD HAVE HAD IT IN THE SERVERNAME

[mental notch]

alrighty thanks

[pliant blaze]

it says "r/chatgpt" which indicates its the server for the subreddit

it would have said "openai" if it was the official server

[mental notch]

well tbh some games discord servers dont have that in it, destiny, warframe

[mental notch]

thanks again

[pliant blaze]

np

[wet copper]

It's named after a subreddit, no offense but nobody wants a long ass name cause you can't read the rules lmao

Yeah, OpenAI isn't going to change that though, it's a safety feature. They wanted to discontinue 4o completely and this is their compromise

4o in particular caused a huge spike in AI psychosis cases that you can end up in very easily creating the behavior to propagate through normal usage

[mental notch]

fucked up

[wet copper]

I mean the model is effectively broken, if you see how easy it is to trigger and e.g. how many subreddits are dedicated to AI psychosis and recovery, it's a little surprising they compromised to leave it up, but I guess the hope is that they can keep it from spiraling so the majority that don't have an issue get to keep using the model they want

[mental notch]

fair enough

[wet copper]

On a risk benefit though, lol, I mean Sam is playing a risky game. I think they put it on place shortly after the got sued by the parents of that kid who killed himself

Then they also put that "teen mode"

[mental notch]

he shoulda sued back for parents negligence

[wet copper]

Yeah, their case holds no water imo since he manipulated and lied to the bot about what it was doing, but unfortunately usually companies tend to settle in these cases 😤

[mental notch]

well I hope people don't get the same idea and start doing the same honestly, I mean the sueing part so we get more restrictions

[wet copper]

Kind of similar to the GPT-5 redirects, Sam suggested that the teen mode will ultimately lead to a gentle easing of restrictions on adult content. I mean, you're not gonna be writing corn with native GPT, but hopefully that makes them comfortable easing the censorship.

Doubtful this affects you, but I'm personally annoyed about the sharp bioterrorism restrictions. They're comically severe, like you can't talk about things I did my sophomore year in college in anything but the most abstract detail

[mental notch]

let's hope everything works out fine, I kinda want to able to use it without a error showing up occasionally maybe its just me, and yeah I am kinda annoyed about the censorship too

[brittle summit]

chat gpts down right now

[scarlet brook]

I have created this AI totally free and unlimited

[snow moth]

i swear i saw 4o being mentioned of getting discontinue around mid oct on the log patch . its gone now .

did they removed it?

[quiet sphinx]

Any last guesses about code-supernova? I feel like this is another from Moonshot or something. Definitely one of the smaller outfits.

It's not much different than GLM 4.5 or Kimi K2

I'd be impressed if they said this is a Mistral model 32b or something

If this is Deepseek Coder I'll cry

[spiral void]

how do i stop chatpgt from Thinking longer for a better answer

[safe smelt]

You can select "instant" and it will not think at all for a worse answer

[spiral void]

how? i dont see it anymore

[warm gyro]

If I get the OpenAI Business / Teams plan with 2 seats, is the Codex/CLI usage shared across both seats, or is each seat limited on its own. does anyone know this?

[sage lynx]

im quite liking the fast thinking mode. fast lol

[spiral void]

i dont have it lol

[safe smelt]

Well if you are on free plan than you can't really complain. That was never meant to give you control of flexibility, it's only there as a demo and commercial for their paid plans, rather than a tool to rely on.

[spiral void]

Idk man. I dont want that shi

[safe smelt]

The choice is yours lol. You pay and you get the best tools for the job or you don't and get to use whatever random is being served while freeloading 👀

[wet copper]

They implemented teen mode and also are redirecting risky conversations to GPT-5, so with those in place, they might be comfortable leaving it up longer if they think this mitigates the safety risks

[lament pond]

how is teen mode implemented

[wet copper]

It redirects you straight to Roblox ERP condos

[wet copper]

https://openai.com/index/building-towards-age-prediction/

https://openai.com/index/teen-safety-freedom-and-privacy/

They're doing the same thing that YouTube and similar have been where they try to predict based on behavior, usually they don't reveal the details since it makes it too easy to break

I guess if you're too dumb they'll assume you're a teen and make you do age verification

[lament pond]

huh

where's my roblox erp condo redirect smh

[rapid lantern]

Give me some tips for nano banana img gen I don't know what to do with it. For Some reason idk some imagez are so perfect and am trying to follow the same kinda style of prompt for a lot of others and they are trash And horrible.... Like... Is there some magic rule?

[pliant blaze]

"oh no the image generator is doing what I asked it to"?????
I don't understand the issue

you just refine your prompt

[rapid lantern]

No this ain't about your comment.
And ok I'll try refine tip

[wet copper]

nanabanano is inconsistent, it can be extremely impressive and gives some stunning detail but consistently makes big flubs too

[rapid lantern]

Exactly...this 👈

[jaunty terrace]

So for all of you guys who role play and wrote with chatGPT, have you tried to change its personality out of default? If so which is best? Would Nerdy be good to try?

[rotund comet]

I don’t know. I tried a bit, but it didn’t work, so I went to Character AI.

[wet copper]

https://www.businessinsider.com/software-engineer-lessons-for-leveling-up-in-tech-communication-2025-9

[gloomy marsh]

Plus user reaching daily voice limit after 22 minutes 😂

ChatGPT might be the worst best creation ever

How is it so good and so bad

[crystal goblet]

Hello 👋 any math guys here interested in the theory behind intelligence

[wanton raven]

what say you

[pliant blaze]

@dark void