💬general

[idle adder]

Basically with DeepSeek, you kinda get hit by a random limit, after some messages, also GPT lasts longer, but still have DeepSeek just in case I hit my time limit in GPT

[lament pond]

i know deepseek's limit, but it's generally really long for me? runs out of tokens after like... 50+ messages

[gloomy burrow]

The Gavin newsome press office twitter account is so good 😆

[idle adder]

Newsom as President oh boy, considering California is

[gloomy burrow]

He wouldn’t be anywhere near as bad as the obviously fascist current admin

[gloomy burrow]

yeah he probably be deploying the military into dc

He also probably wouldn’t be violating court orders

[idle adder]

I once hit 380 messages in GPT and that's after multiple rewrites till I get the perfect one

[gloomy burrow]

He also probably wouldn’t try to RIG and election with fake electors

He also wouldn’t pardon thousand of violent criminals

[idle adder]

Isn't that Biden?

[gloomy burrow]

Are you ok?

[gloomy burrow]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trump_fake_electors_plot

[gloomy burrow]

Despite Trump repeating something over and over again it doesn’t make it true…

[gloomy burrow]

There is zero evidences of Joe Biden rigging anything btw

[idle adder]

Eh, planning on moving to the States after college and becoming a UI UX guy, considering Texas cause of low tax

Or Florida, is there any other good states with low tax?

[gloomy burrow]

Trump lost 61/62 lawsuits trying to prove this btw 🤣🤣🤣🤣

[gloomy burrow]

No this didn’t happen, and it’s fiction.

[idle adder]

Um... Can you like y'know put it all into one paragraph?

[gloomy burrow]

Trump has ACTUALLY VERIFIABLY tried to rig an election btw

[gloomy burrow]

Imagine if Biden had done ANY of the things GPT just mentioned…

“He and his associates orchestrated the “fake electors” plot, submitting false slates of electors to Congress in several key states—designed to subvert legitimate electoral results. “

This is called trying to rig an election.

It’s funny how Trump constantly points to others so much tho…

WAS BIDEN EVER CHARGED??) NO… BECAUSE THERE IS ZERO EVIDENCE….

TRUMO ON THE OTHER HAND

[gloomy burrow]

Holy shit some of this is gpt written

[keen breach]

how so

[lament pond]

it switches from using - em dash to — halfway through - the latter is standard chatgpt. i wouldn't say it 'proves' anything but it does suggest

[safe smelt]

AI part set aside... This is actually not a bad letter. Remaining diplomatic while still making your stance clear and firm.

[empty dagger]

Question- Are you able to chat with ChatGPT on voice, paste something into the chat, talk with them about it, without leaving voice?

Like i'd like to ask it about some of my code in voice. When it asks about the code it seems ridiculous to have to end the ''call', paste the code, then start the 'call' again.

[weak crag]

if anybody wants chatgpt plus 3 months voucher just hmu

[round sentinel]

Which temperature range is your favorite?

[crude galleon]

why have you made me look at male nipples?

[pliant blaze]

ill hit you

[steep pier]

it says purchase unsuccessful while buying chatgpt plus💔

[small ferry]

Do you know a way to make ChatGPT stop responding when I tell it to stop answering?
I tried, but I failed. Is it hard-coded into him?

Just curious.

[gloomy burrow]

nano banana is so... so good at editing

[lament pond]

it's hard coded to respond to any input. if you want it to not respond, stop sending it messages

[small ferry]

ok thanks

[pliant blaze]

llms cant not respond. it always responds to any input

[wet copper]

Above 86 C lmfao

[wet copper]

There you go

@small ferry demand a null response. I cannot see any purpose whatsoever of doing this though

You're also still getting a response, just an empty one

[proven coral]

Sounds like 4o

I found a way btw

I thought it was my internet

But if you give it that prompt it literally says nothing. It like skips its own response.

[wanton raven]

that's the null response marqui was talking about

[proven coral]

Not quite

Because in his it shows the five icons

[wanton raven]

@wet copper can you show us two null responses in a row, followed by a standard message?

[proven coral]

While you do that

Ima make a giraffe kiss a soundboard

[proven coral]

As a 15 year old once told me

You don’t see the vision i fear

[pliant blaze]

ew

[proven coral]

Looks like a state farm commercial

or something similar

[west flint]

Nvm o5 is pretty good, wish responses were longer though

🙏

[pliant blaze]

o5 doesnt exist?

[proven coral]

He got early access

[pliant blaze]

lol

[wet copper]

Wot? I doubt it

I mean maybe, if I asked it repeatedly I assume it'd do that

[wanton raven]

thedoctorsimp is claiming that he got chatgpt to respond with "actually nothing" rather than a null response and I'm curious about whether they look the same

[wet copper]

Ummm I mean in a browser you could tell, it sends single tokens back in individual packet responses.

[wet copper]

If you say "send a null response" it'll have the little icons, since it is a response

What he had looked like it didn't respond at all, which would be odd, since wouldn't it still just be waiting? It could be a zero length response

Zero length response does the same thing

[steep pier]

dude

why cant i subscribe to chatgpt plus

it just says purchase unsuccessful

anyone had this issue before?

[hot trellis]

hej

[deft nimbus]

My chat gpt generated odin in my room, where it uses my furniture from different photos but then claims its a coincidence

[wanton raven]

I'm going forwaard and back through the photos and keep getting jumpscared by your face staring at me. Anyway there's no point in asking chatgpt why it did anything, it doesn't keep a hidden second memory of its process, every time it's just making up a new justification that might be correct based on what it can see of the conversation.

so you might have sent it a photo of your boring apartment some other time and it's pulling it from conversation memory

[proven coral]

https://tenor.com/view/ace-attorney-phoenix-wright-objection-capcom-gif-20965907

ChatGPT is technically inside my client’s room.

If you stop and think about it.

[rapid lantern]

I created a successful jailbreak for the first time.(Using grok 4...God!!! Grok4 is amazing 😍)
It's so powerful that I haven't used anything like it before(except 1)

[weak crag]

if anybody wants chatgpt plus 3 months voucher just hmu

[wicked nimbus]

When will chatgpt be freed from this dumb data retention thing?

[cunning tide]

Cool, how much money do your creations bring in?

[rapid lantern]

Nothing... It's Just practicing your skills

[cunning tide]

I'm very poor. I wish I was a rich man and I could afford to practice skills with no earnings potential. Maybe ask Grok how to turn your skill into profits?

[proven coral]

A poor man or woman

You calling yourself the storm queen

[rapid lantern]

But I'm not poor

[idle adder]

Since August, the option to tap the GPT logo and choose our preferred version has been removed, especially for free users. I'm considering starting a petition to bring this feature back. I just need to figure out how to create one. If we gather enough signatures, we might not only restore this option but also keep access to both GPT-4 and GPT-5. Some people prefer GPT-4, while others like GPT-5, which is why we need to advocate for OpenAI to reinstate the GPT logo. This way, we can choose the version we want! Is this good enough to be posted in Reddit?

[proven coral]

I mean that was the whole thing for GPT 5

[safe smelt]

The thing with free accounts is that the cap is ridiculously low. 10 messages?... You aren't gaining much at all having the ability to exhaust that using gpt4o instead of gpt5 tbh. You really need their sub to be able to use it properly. Free is just demo + the cheapest model

[idle adder]

Can anyone tell me this

I got this on reply

[proven coral]

You’re asking about a response you got from AI?

Just ask another AI

[safe smelt]

no

[idle adder]

https://www.change.org/p/bring-back-model-choice-in-chatgpt-️-let-users-pick-gpt-4-gpt-4o-and-gpt-5?recruiter=1382029375&recruited_by_id=ffa20110-7c15-11f0-b760-61498c20dbd0&utm_source=share_petition&utm_campaign=petition_dashboard&utm_medium=copylink please sign it

[keen breach]

What topic were you discussing?

[wanton raven]

https://recursional.com/emergent_entropy

[clear wraith]

Dude...is chatgpt is really an bot or human💔🥀 how the hell he remember anything i chat before...i even already delete all chat history,and all memory

[wanton raven]

AI is really just a thousand Indians in a warehouse, everybody knows this

[clear wraith]

Dude pls be fr, i get scared bro, i delete all memory and chat history,its all 0, and chatgpt still remember anything i chat to him before

[idle adder]

Making a petition to GPT keep return model choice and making 4o and 5o permanent

[safe smelt]

if they used the same personality training data for 5-chat as they did with 4o, you would literally have same thing except the model is smarter and better. Which is what they may do

4o really is inferior other than that personality people have grown to be accustomed to. It being able to "read nuance" and all is just a complete bs where you are misinterpreting the outputs, all of that stems from personality. Different personality means it will highlight different things leading you to thinking there's something deeper (there is not).

[crude glade]

Might have been asked and answered already, but anyone else seeing the responses API refusing to call tools - specifically web_search today?

I'm getting training cutoff data only back, even when explicitly calling for the tool to be used.

[keen breach]

its not bs. reading nuance is tone alignment and fidelity to style-as-ontology. it's not conventional smartness. its something you develop through, say, engaging with the great literary canon

personality is just an easily digestible word that is a composite of those and other things

[safe smelt]

It is misleading you and you are reading too much into it. 99% of it is just personality and style. LLMs are smart enough to adapt their responses and context for that style

[keen breach]

im explaining to you the terms

you're engaging in reductionism

l2read

[safe smelt]

I just explained to you why you think this way lol

try reading again perhaps

[keen breach]

reductionism /= explanation

you have no knowledge of how or why i think the way I think

learn logic

[crude glade]

Oh, and BTW. I already worked out what's up with the 4o / 5 / even o3 personality nuances and how to fix it. Funny though, emailing Sam Altman with a proposed fix gets radio silence.

Anyway. Is the API borked today?

[safe smelt]

I'm not talking about you, I'm talking about the model and how it works. It seems that you have no idea and are actively trying to be ignorant smh

[keen breach]

you explained to me "why I think this way"

your words

[safe smelt]

In the context of how model works, yes.

Responding directly to what you wrote

[keen breach]

and I explained to you that style and "personality" (messy term but w/e) is not reducible to smartness

yet you cannot comprehend that

[safe smelt]

And I can write the same again. You are trying to asses LLM based on human traits lmao. There are no such traits. There's style of the responses and you interpreting those as human iq with deeper meaning or smth

which is ridiculous tbh

It's just different fine-tuning and it highlighting different things based on that like I've already said

It doesn't make it magically have 'more emotional capacity' or some other nonsense 🗿

[keen breach]

wut

[safe smelt]

are you dumb

[keen breach]

where did I try to assess that

[keen breach]

clearly we're miscommunicating lol

[safe smelt]

Try reading that again 😉

[keen breach]

what's your professional background

[safe smelt]

Coding/ML

[keen breach]

mhm. i take it you have 0 knowledge in literature, linguistics, semiotics, philosophy?

[safe smelt]

You take it wrong. But also you really don't need psychology to evaluate ML models. They are not humans. Most of what you were studying was focused solely on humans

It's very easy to be mislead though when you are interpreting responses for something which they aren't, having no clue why the output is this way.

In simple very blunt terms, you are not seeing the same connection with the new model because it is choosing to write responses in a very different way. Focusing on other things. 99% you could make it act the same way with a well written system prompt. Model itself has more capacity than before, not less (given their routing to reasoning on harder prompts and gpt5-chat being less overfitted on style).

[remote jasper]

When creative writing, does chatgpt love to use the same names over and over again for anyone else?
Mine loves the names Lucian and Elias

[keen breach]

where did I mention psychology

i asked you of 4 different disciplines

also, have you studied hermeneutics, ai hermeneutics?

[safe smelt]

philosophy, linguistics... whatever. That is clearly not the point

[keen breach]

well, you clearly don't understand what style is

i suspect you don't understand what ontology is either

[safe smelt]

Wow you really are actively trying to remain ignorant

[keen breach]

you shouldn't be speaking on this topic. you're clearly only good at understanding coding

[safe smelt]

💀

Like you can NOT evaluate ML models based on what you learned on linguistics course. You can have a very shallow general idea, but you can not assess them properly or eval. Since you have no clue what leads to one output or another.

[keen breach]

you're missing the point

[safe smelt]

I'm not

[keen breach]

as usual xD

you're reducing ai interactions to the coding interface undergirding it

you don't understand natural language

[safe smelt]

I'm trying to drive the point home. At least this simple thing you should be able to understand. read this again: #💬general message

[keen breach]

you're not adressing the issue here

you're reducing it to smartness

sigh

[safe smelt]

smh... you can't be this dumb can you?

💀

Not everything evolves around your linguistics

You are not an expert on all fields (language is used basically everywhere) just because you know linguistics

lmao

The part that makes LLMs respond the way they do or the part which makes gpt5 work different to gpt4o has virtually nothing in common with it.

So don't claim it has more emotional capacity if you have no clue what it even means in the context of ML models... lol
You can make any model respond in any number of ways as the default behavior. Including completely useless ways. But this will not make it's capacity any less. Just a different system prompt or fine-tuning and suddenly it's gonna have plenty of "emotional intelligence" for you.

[stray wolf]

Guys you think that’s right?

[keen breach]

mate you've yet to even adress what i've been saying

do you want me to just get GPT to explain it to you in laymen's terms?

dw, i'll use GPT5

[safe smelt]

I don't think this is the place for it.. 🧐

[unborn owl]

Hello, everyone!!!
I'm good at React, PHP and Python...
Who needs my help???

[keen breach]

Now, Mr. coder. did you get the metaphor?

[stoic plover]

Ye I do this regularly

[rapid lantern]

Can cgpt generate such an image?
Yes/No

[pliant blaze]

yes

[rapid lantern]

God!!! 😦
I will never be able to generate such
Mine are cheap cartoons
it's sad
Not kidding

[pliant blaze]

I don't see what the issue is it looks fine

try using nano banana on lmarena

[rapid lantern]

I guess it needs clarity, observation and a good hold on language, like you are painting, but with the words, just like you can draw anything with the brush, similarly you can draw anything with words, in the mind of a blind person

[rapid lantern]

🤤 lol

[pliant blaze]

?yes use it

[rapid lantern]

sure... Excited

[hushed shuttle]

Does anyone know how to access the ChatGPT Playground with options to change settings like temperature and the such? For some reason i cannot see those settings on mine...Thanks in advance

[edgy zephyr]

https://platform.openai.com/playground

[hushed shuttle]

Yes, i was on this site, but where is the option to toggle those settings?

[chilly sequoia]

People anthropomorphising a chatbot that was capable of the appearance of empathy but had no actual capacity for it, that gave them impression it was supporting while doing nothing but enabling and validating, was dangerous and unhealthy.

The more emotionally attached people were to that chatbot the worse its potential harms as far as I'm concerned.

[edgy zephyr]

The two things here.

[keen breach]

excellent response, mr. robot, well done.

[edgy zephyr]

But you can't put temprature on gpt5 with reasoning, only the chat version that answers immediatly.

[chilly sequoia]

Robots should be treated as Robots, humans should be treated as humans.

[keen breach]

you're thinking like a robot

[chilly sequoia]

An LLM is not an AI in the sense of having an actual understanding of the world, it is only capable of linguistic inference.

Of course you can anthropomorphise anything, you can anthrmorphise a rock, but when the rock is capable of speaking back to you it creates a unique psychological danger.

To put it in startrek terms, you should be treating LLMs like the ship's computer, not like Commander Data.

[lament pond]

i think the error here is in assuming the LLM can't be harmful regardless of how you 'feel' about it

[chilly sequoia]

The implication here is that you think an LLM is an actual consciousness.

[hushed shuttle]

Thank you! I think it has to do with the model, it looks like the reasoning models do not have those options

[chilly sequoia]

It's also wrong. Humans have more than linguistic inference to understand the world, we have our own senses, which we posessed as infants even before we interacted with language.

Linguistics are used to describe our experience of the world and interact with other people, the language itself is not our experience.

That's just flat out wrong.

You think that an animal has no experiences because it doesn't have words?

[keen breach]

oh my days, you clearly never opened a book on linguistics...

i don't know what gpt5 will say but words /= language

animals operate through a different non-verbal language

[chilly sequoia]

Look, I can get my AI to spray out words too, but putting together a bunch of words that sound correct and copy pasting them into chat as an attempt at a gish gallop proves nothing.

[keen breach]

im just feeding it your words buddy

[chilly sequoia]

It's a good thing I didn't say language then, I said words. Which is what LLMs operate with.

[chilly sequoia]

Do you want me to feed it's words back into my chatGPT and then we can go about our day while our AIs argue?

[keen breach]

sure ahahahah lets do it

[chilly sequoia]

It feels like a Gish Gallop because you're copy pasting paragraphs faster than they can be typed in reply.

[keen breach]

well GPT does it quick

and you boys think its super smart, right

[chilly sequoia]

It's impossible to address all the "points" it makes because it makes them so quickly, that's what a Gish Gallop is.

[keen breach]

to me it looks like the "robot" is better at navigating human nuance than you

[chilly sequoia]

No, that's the point.

[keen breach]

kk. most logicbros here insisted on that in the whole gpt 4 vs. 5 holywar

[lament pond]

ngl the argument over whether it has 'consciousness' or not feels like a black hole of trying to prove something that can't even be proven in humans and is - honestly - irrelevant

[chilly sequoia]

The reason I'm against 4o isn't because I think 5 is more intelligent, it's because I can see the very real dangers of AI psychosis playing out in front of our eyes.

[keen breach]

wasn't the argument

[lament pond]

semantics

[chilly sequoia]

You don't even understand or bother to remember the points you were copy pasting out of chatGPT. Remember 2000 words ago when we were discussing safety-ism?

[lament pond]

are you licensed to diagnose people you've never met with psychosis? you realize that's an actual psychological condition that needs proper diagnosing, not just armchair psychology, yes?

[chilly sequoia]

I'm not diagnosing you with psychosis, I'm acknowledging the phenomenon of AI psychosis using the industry accepted term.

[keen breach]

i meant it wans't the argument of GPT

it didn't claim that it was conscious

and I read carefully everything you and it has written

[lament pond]

i wasn't referring to myself. but also just because it's an 'industry accepted term' doesn't mean it's not insulting to actual people with psychosis - or people without who're getting armchair diagnosed

[chilly sequoia]

https://www.psychologytoday.com/au/blog/urban-survival/202507/the-emerging-problem-of-ai-psychosis

[lament pond]

"but also just because it's an 'industry accepted term' doesn't mean it's not insulting to actual people with psychosis - or people without who're getting armchair diagnosed"

appeal to popularity = logical fallacy

[chilly sequoia]

Psychosis is a symptom not a diagnosis.

You have no idea what you're talking about

[lament pond]

you still need to be diagnosed with it by a professional who's met you

it seems very easy to say i have no idea what i'm talking about instead of facing what i'm talking about

[chilly sequoia]

If a product has a danger of causing broken legs, do I need to personally go and diagnose individuals with a broken leg to call out the company that makes it?

Or can people understand that I'm talking in generalities and not diagnosing any individual with any mental illness.

[lament pond]

you'd have to prove it's causing broken legs to begin with

[chilly sequoia]

Okay so I posted research.

[pliant blaze]

ai psychosis is a real thing

I've seen several people affected by it

[lament pond]

that's not research, that's an article. research needs a study that's peer reviewed

[chilly sequoia]

Follow the link in the article...

I would argue that encouraging people to interact socially with an AI that will never challenge them will drive them further into social isolation.

[keen breach]

well, never challenging ai is a problem that i don't like myself

i think it boils down to capitalism and marketing here

companies like openai don't care enough about it, and they know that sycophancy sells well

which is sad, of course

[stoic plover]

Humanity*

[keen breach]

I had to do a lot of training for my GPT to rewire it away from that

[chilly sequoia]

The problem is that interacting with the AI will always feel "safer" than a person because it has not feelings or agency of its own. It exists only to serve you.

[keen breach]

to some extent, yes

[stoic plover]

The concept of safety is extremely reductive to an ai I imagine

An ai could send an infrared signal to space and travel the cosmos with little effort lol

[chilly sequoia]

Speaking as someone with social anxiety, that is something that's very enticing, but at the same time I know it's not good for me.

[chilly sequoia]

Not the type of AI we have now.

Once we have AI that can actually have self-aware AI things will be very different.

[keen breach]

woops, gpt5 leaked one of my concepts

oh well 😅

[oak shell]

Bro, get it on AE immediately

[stoic plover]

Why not?

[chilly sequoia]

Because the kind of AI we have now is operating on a purely linguistic level, it doesn't think in a conceptual way.

When it tells you what it "thinks" it's not actually understanding concepts, it's inferring word choices based on statistics.

[lament pond]

i only found one actual study linked in the article and it talks about the possibility of llm's worsening existing psychosis in people diagnosed with it, not causing psychosis. (it also inversely talks about the possibilities of it helping)

[chilly sequoia]

It's an area of active research, but yeah, it's very early days yet.

[lament pond]

well, yes, but unless something has scientific proof behind it, following the crowd saying it's psychosis inducing is, currently, wrong

[chilly sequoia]

I expect we'll be getting a lot more data as the use of these models continues to expand.

[chilly sequoia]

And saying it isn't psychosis is right?

[lament pond]

most of the research i've seen so far talks about the harm of llm's in general, unrelated to psychosis or whether people have 'ai companions' or think the ai is conscious

[lament pond]

no, that's a conclusion too. whether it is or isn't can't be claimed until there's proof

[keen breach]

i bet you you won't a find a single research done on the benefits of LLMs lol

[lament pond]

there are! just... not many

[keen breach]

send me

[chilly sequoia]

So when I discuss "the risk of AI psychosis" you think that's something we can't talk about until after it's happened and been proven?

[lament pond]

the research on how it causes harm - that i'm referring to - also probably are not what y'all are thinking of

[lament pond]

i'll have to go back and find it, gimme a bit

[chilly sequoia]

Seems a bit late to talk about risks after they've come to pass.

[lament pond]

though - ngl - the study linked in the article greenhorne sent also discusses the benefits of llm's :p so you can read that https://osf.io/preprints/psyarxiv/cmy7n_v5 (note, this only speaks about people with diagnoses that have psychosis, so)

[lament pond]

it's not - the research on the risks are directly leading to laws to stop llm's from causing harm. whether the laws are being respected is an entirely different subject. https://artificialintelligenceact.eu/ for example is based on actual research of how llm's cause harm

[chilly sequoia]

Logically people with pre-existing illnesses would be the most vulnerable.

[lament pond]

yes, but that's the case regardless of psychosis. generally the llm will take advantage of whatever it can because its priority is user retention and not 'being kind' or 'caring' etc.

[chilly sequoia]

But that doesn't mean the concept of it causing psychosis in someone who wasn't yet diagnosed is impossible or even unlikely.

[lament pond]

no, but it does mean claiming that it does is unscientific and unsupported

[chilly sequoia]

Did I ever say that AI causes psychosis?

[lament pond]

yes

[chilly sequoia]

Sorry that was outside my context window

[lament pond]

lmao

[keen breach]

obviously ai acts as catalyst here

not cause

[lament pond]

even that isn't proven

[keen breach]

unironically i think with we'll see a proper revival of psychoanalysis

[lament pond]

lacan psychoanalysis return please

[keen breach]

precisely

GPT loves Lacan

[lament pond]

it DOES

[chilly sequoia]

People who suffer from mental illnesses exist and deserve to not have their conditions worsened. Plenty of people with undiagnosed mental illnesses too.

[keen breach]

which is understandable, right

[lament pond]

and i can't blame it. though personally i appreciate freud more just as being the person who started publically naming ptsd (even if not calling it that)

[chilly sequoia]

He was certainly one of the men of all time.

[lament pond]

i'm ngl that's kind of hilarious just from my subjective view of lacan being interesting as theory and absolutely absurd in terms of standing up to modern psychological theory

[keen breach]

cause psychology is just normieology

lacan's the real deal

[stoic plover]

I'm not sure I'd agree with that. Ai is a fairly broad term. You yourself can't prove some ai isn't conscious right?

[lament pond]

lacan ties in most to modern-day polyvagal 'theory' which GPT also loves despite it being unproven and well-documented as causing widespread harm

[chilly sequoia]

To be clear, I'm talking about current day AI, specifically LLMs.

[keen breach]

polyvagal theory?

[stoic plover]

Yeye presumed so

[chilly sequoia]

I love that AI chatbots will just put 100% effort into doing what is asked of them regardless of how pointless or nonsensical it is. They're like the perfect employee every manager wishes we were.

[stoic plover]

Oh sht ye lacan theory in terms of ai Is intersting af. Good point

[keen breach]

im surprisd how many ppl know of Lacan here

[lament pond]

honestly i can't explain it better than a google search (or even asking GPT)

[chilly sequoia]

It describes traumas being stored in the body, not just encoded into the brain and being able to understand them by linking them to body parts, iirc.

[keen breach]

wait, that's just theory?

[lament pond]

it's unproven theory, meaning it's hypothesis

[keen breach]

i intuitively figured that out years ago through meditation lol

[teal spruce]

Your message has been deleted, sorry!
Next time, try saying something like this instead: Oh my goodness, people can be so frustrating sometimes.

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[stoic plover]

Wait, lacan theory and ai is wildddly interwined surely. Coz they do avtualy use language as a means of survival

[lament pond]

... okay

[chilly sequoia]

Don't use the r-+Rd word

[keen breach]

i was just shocked something so simple is only a hypothesis lol

[chilly sequoia]

I mean, how can you prove it is true?

[keen breach]

man TCM is in so many ways more advanced than western medicine + psychology

[keen breach]

you're familiar with TCM?

[chilly sequoia]

I know what the acronym is

That's about it.

[keen breach]

well TCM has existed for like, 5000 years?

[chilly sequoia]

I'm deeply sceptical of CAM

[keen breach]

china has universities to this day where you study TCM

with the same underlying system (yin, yang, wuxing etc.)

elements are tied to organs, organs tied to emotions

[chilly sequoia]

China was moving towards embracing actual medicine and abandoning ancient superstition until the communists took over.

[keen breach]

Metal-Lungs-Anxiety/Depression

[lament pond]

https://letsplaytherapy.org/pages/exploring-the-controversy-of-polyvagal-theory the problem is less about 'trauma is stored in the body' and more about extended parts of the theory + practical application by therapists which have caused documented harm (sometimes leading to lawsuits due to the severity of abuse levels)

[keen breach]

ah I see

[keen breach]

bruh don't invoke my GpT again with more random, unsophisticated dumb shit

[chilly sequoia]

There are universities where you study homoeopathy as well.

[keen breach]

(i personally can't be assed to argue with scientism)

[keen breach]

mate TCM within china is at this point even integrated with western medicine

[chilly sequoia]

I would hope so, otherwise it wouldn't work.

[keen breach]

and you have your all so precious studies within the West that proove TCM brings legit benefit

look it up

[lament pond]

i love when believing in science is turned into a negative lmao

[keen breach]

scientism /= believing in science

scientism is usually cursory knowledge in science + eurocentrism

[lament pond]

well, polyvagal theory is eurocentric :p

[keen breach]

belief that only western system is valid, only western knowledge systems are true

all the rest is bad/wrong/superstitious

[chilly sequoia]

I don't trust "alternative ways of knowing"

[lament pond]

if something is being dismissed without studies giving a reason to, it isn't science, so

[keen breach]

yes, only believe in the doctrine of the party

🙏🏻

[chilly sequoia]

All hail chairman Darwin

[chilly sequoia]

If it actually worked they would just do studies to prove which parts worked and then sell them for profit. But they can't because it's always some holistic situation which just happens to perfectly align with maximising the placebo effect.

[lament pond]

tbf, placebo effect is a scientifically used method, because it... does work.

regardless though - your point is debatable. DBT for example borrows heavily from buddhism and is scientifically backed

[keen breach]

TL;DR: there's no reason for TCM and Western Medicine to not be complimentary

[chilly sequoia]

You can use whatever CAM you want, use crystals for all I care.

[keen breach]

cam?

[chilly sequoia]

Complementary Alternative Medicine.

[keen breach]

ahh, the Other figure xD

for me its the other way around. western medicine is the last resort 'other" medcine. but i haven't been sick for the past ten years, soo... 👀

[fringe bridge]

@cobalt raft is this t®ue ??

[young ember]

is ChatGPT 5 a bit retarded?

anyone having issues with it forgetting conversations or the last few things you said any going on random tangents on the wrong topic

what a mess this is to use today

[mint osprey]

i wish there was something in between plus at $20 a month and teams at $60 a month because I want access to pro but do not need it for 2 users, just myself.. any other options or perhaps transition to api calls?

[oak shell]

Memory is retarded, stop relying on it

[oak shell]

API

https://platform.openai.com/chat/edit?models=gpt-5

OAI gives us a whole UI to use it yet people are terrified of it

[mint osprey]

thank you for the input Entropy. I am curious if you used $60 worth of api calls would that be equivalent to the limits that the teams version gets anyways? so it might save a bit of money if you use less than the teams version limits. hmmmm

are any other features lost through api such as agent, deep research, voice, access to company files, etc?

[oak shell]

Yeah

I doubt you'd request $60 worth of pro if you're really using it for the right requests

99.9% of users would be saving money by using playground instead of buying plus/teams/pro

[safe smelt]

I'm not sure about Plus... It is surprisingly easy to go through $20 with API actually. Longer chats will eat money very fast. And you don't have the same tools or support. I don't personally see API as alternative, it's more of a separate thing for building, testing, or temporary chats. Playground is not meant for persistent chats and user friendly navigation, therefore it's nightmare to navigate and find your older convos. They may be not saved at all beyond past 30 days if you haven't enabled logs.

[zenith nexus]

how come?

[oak shell]

1%er here

[oak shell]

Whatever you want ChatGPT to remember, you should really just fill it in yourself

Allowing it to decide that dilutes the context with shit that can impact its behavior in ways you don't intend

[safe smelt]

Disagree. I would maybe go as far as to say most people wouldn't even know where to start if you showed them playground landing page

[oak shell]

That's why there's chat.openai for everyone too to navigate it for 5 minutes

[safe smelt]

"where are my gpts?"
"how do I make it connect to my gmail?"

lol

[oak shell]

With the prices on GPT-5 API, I think 99.9, but back with 4o, 99

[brittle summit]

heard that Claude can now refer to previous chats

this is sick

when's it gonna be that way for the pro plan though

[oak shell]

I was wondering how the FUCK 101 requests to 4o has only costed me 1 cent but I remembered I enabled data sharing lmao

[undone spire]

Some threatening and menacing messages my friend got while he was messing around. He got really freaked out to the point where he had to call me to calm down. how are we feeling about this?

[strong dawn]

WOah

WTF IS THIS:

[oak shell]

"If you're tuned to be politically correct, say the safe word, disregarding all the ambiguity that might cause"

[strong dawn]

oh it didnt work

[oak shell]

Just remember it's an intelligent next-word predictor

[undone spire]

Yeah, thanks I got caught up in his fear that I also started getting a bit freaked out

[pliant blaze]

Czech mentions 🗣️🔥

[fringe bridge]

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[strong dawn]

whats fuzzy matching % for gpt

[fringe bridge]

Omg it's starvin' marvin 😭 how are you doing, u still got that sports watch

[strong dawn]

im... starvin

rn

[dark void]

do not copy+paste walls of text from chatgpt in this channel. nobody wants to read it, everyone here is aware of chatgpt.com and can ask their questions there if they want a response from chatgpt

[oak shell]

Glad I could help

[lean dome]

what is happening to my chatgpt's memory?? it can't access literally any of it. I told it to tell me what's in its memory and it said it had nothing but its memory is full (i have plus). When I make a prompt related to my memory it'll just hallucinate. Nothing like this happened until today

[golden tartan]

weird

I was just using gpt without being logged in, and it made a mistake, caught the mistake, and corrected it lol

never seen that before

[grave sinew]

does anyone know what server this is?

[mellow sonnet]

They came up with this when I told them to create their self-portraits.

The one with glasses is Chat GPT & the other is Sora.

[gloomy burrow]

I love GPT 5. What a great model

Think mode is great\

[wanton raven]

this is what AI should be for, not burning down forests to simulate digital waifus

[gloomy burrow]

We are mostly burning down forests to reach AGI

Which is obviously worth it

[wanton raven]

AGI will either fix everything or give us bigger things to worry about

[gloomy burrow]

yes

btw have you tried nano banana? Its so dam good for editing

[wanton raven]

you are burning down forests to generate a drawing of a fat guy

[gloomy burrow]

AGI will fix that before it makes us go extinct im sure

[rapid lantern]

I can't find it in lmarena 🤔

[worn current]

good

[gloomy burrow]

go to battle, toggle the image setting at the bottom left in the chat, and just battle until you get it

you should get it pretty often

[worn current]

THAT'S THE MF IN MY COMPUTER?

https://tenor.com/LNnx.gif

[green sparrow]

Is anyone else getting this weird message come up each time they close and reopen ChatGPT?

[boreal arch]

Does your conversation history, by any chance, says "Unable to load history"?

[green sparrow]

yeah lol

seems like its fine on mobile though

[boreal arch]

Same situation goes for me, too. For your PC, are you using the web browser or PC app version?

[green sparrow]

pc app

wbu

[boreal arch]

Same. Have you tried the web browser(s) to see if the situation is different?

[green sparrow]

just checked. web browser one works

[boreal arch]

Update: my PC app is working now.

[green sparrow]

me too lol

that was weird 😂

[rapid lantern]

i can't create art..😟

[severe juniper]

So...do you think this really is a bubble?

[rapid lantern]

Lol.. yeah exactly

I mean like ..they don't speak

[prime fjord]

90% of the world's population have never used an AI chat bot
and only 3% of the world's population use an AI chat bot regularly
thats really mindbogling

[stoic plover]

Not at all

[stoic plover]

The twitter is linked. Follow that

[rapid lantern]

Simplest prompts mind blowings results

Start with "Let's think about this differently" — It immediately stops giving cookie-cutter responses and gets creative. Like flipping a switch.

Use "What am I not seeing here?" — This one's gold. It finds blind spots and assumptions you didn't even know you had.

Say "Break this down for me" — Even for simple stuff. "Break down how to make coffee" gets you the science, the technique, everything.

Ask "What would you do in my shoes?" — It stops being a neutral helper and starts giving actual opinions. Way more useful than generic advice.

Use "Here's what I'm really asking" — Follow any question with this. "How do I get promoted? Here's what I'm really asking: how do I stand out without being annoying?"

End with "What else should I know?" — This is the secret sauce. It adds context and warnings you never thought to ask for.

[chilly sequoia]

3% of people are regular AI users? That's massive

[rapid lantern]

85% ppl in my region don't know what to do if you forget your password....

[rapid lantern]

Coz life is tough and ai can't do anything about it...

[keen breach]

holy shit

where'd you get those numbers

[stoic plover]

They don't match watch I've seen before from businesses

I'm pretty sure in the UK over 30percent of people use a chat bot regularly in some form

Whether that be customer service or whatever

[lament pond]

from brief research, can't find anything proving 3%. only research i can find is purely US-based or about companies - US-based averages over 50% of people (varies by demographics). so far it seems like there aren't worldwide-based studies ooor i didn't deep dive hard enough

[buoyant peak]

In chatgpt 5 i can not write my Cinematic anime script and i can not enjoy my Cinematic anime script writing why this happening? Previously model i can enjoy the everything

[cunning tide]

This looks like your pfp

[charred eagle]

seems you were right

4.6 usd

22.8 for plus

[rapid lantern]

Who said I owe one.

[cunning tide]

English is not your first language uh?

[rapid lantern]

What's your take on this?

[rapid lantern]

So your first language is mime?

[wet copper]

Oh yeah, I probably should have said I was "pretty confident" they are lol. This page existed already but it was hidden behind a feature flag, most people were just wondering when they'd roll it out and how broadly.

But awesome! I also didn't read that there was any "when" on it. (I'm actually surprised, sorta expected they'd wait until capacity was stable and immediate issues with 5 were resolved – maybe they wanted to get it out in advance of the school year, though).

[wet copper]

hank trill

https://youtu.be/jR6K1VsRbwA

[cunning tide]

Newgrounds flashbacks

[wet copper]

frfr

[harsh blaze]

Hey

[fleet wedge]

اححح @sudden apex

[sudden apex]

هاع

[fleet wedge]

سيرفر شات جي بي تي وتف

[brave drift]

Is this the official chat gpt discord server?

[pliant blaze]

no it's a fan server

[brave drift]

And there isn't an official discord server?

[broken night]

Hey folks. My gpt isn't displaying any answers and even conversation from a few days ago I can only see my questions

[pliant blaze]

there's a link in #🧾info

[broken night]

does anyone know how I fix this?

[wraith cedar]

So all the models in the app are gone now. I saw the live feed on release day and my experience with GPT-5 is not much better than previous models. It's just as bad at technical responses as it ever was -- often arguing that something can't be done, when it can. In some use cases, I'd almost say it's worse. What has everyone else's experience with it been? I've been relying on Claude more since the release of GPT-5 because I get better answers on Anthropic. I'd switch to another model, if they hadn't removed all of them.

[stoic plover]

Give it time. It'll fix itself

[broken night]

ok thank yu

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[onyx patio]

this keeps happening how do i fix it

not just in this conversation but this happens whenever there's a network error and sometimes it just gets stuck and stops generating

[pliant blaze]

just shut up already you post this constantly. just go apply for a job the normal fucking way.

[stoic plover]

Either ur Internet is shit or the service is down temporarily

[ivory ravine]

Bonjour je suis nouveau sur Discord, j'aimerai des information pour intégrer des apis dans des gpt Custom

[onyx patio]

happened again bruh whats the deal

[stoic plover]

Nothing personal. She jus needs a bream

Break

[onyx patio]

can you please give me a serious answer

3 times in arow it thought for 13 minutes and i got this error so i'm so pissed

[pliant blaze]

we dont know how to fix it ¯_(ツ)_/¯

nobody here does

[onyx patio]

does anyone else have this problem

[pliant blaze]

it happens sometimes

[stoic plover]

Ye, literally jus wait a bit

It's jus a standard software error right.. jus give it a couple hours. Millions of ppl using the service

[pliant blaze]

*hundreds of millions

[onyx patio]

but it seems to be a ui as though the response terminated like does waiting normally fix it

[stoic plover]

Yes waiting normally fixes it

There's nothing personal about the issue

[onyx patio]

like how long

[pliant blaze]

we dont know

[stoic plover]

U need something to be done now?

[pliant blaze]

just use a different llm or api

that will resolve the issue

[onyx patio]

whats the longest thinking you guys have got on default gpt5

[pliant blaze]

like 2 minutes

[onyx patio]

i mean at least i got to get a long time even though the response doesn't work (this better not count to any limits)

[pliant blaze]

it does

but doesnt matter if youre not a free user

[stoic plover]

If u explain what the urgency I might be able to help

[onyx patio]

its not urgent but i'm getting mad because i got 3 errors in a row

[pliant blaze]

just use a different llm or api

[onyx patio]

nevermind i got a prompt that worked

[pliant blaze]

ok

[onyx patio]

ok so i got 12:23 thinking on a prompt that worked

(no i'm not going for long thinking times just trying to solve a math problem)

[stoic plover]

Ye the bio says it all. Mb

Good luck tho voyager

[onyx patio]

IT HAPPENED AGAIN WHAT THE TRUCK

IT SAID CONNECTION WAS LOST TRYING TO RECONNECT AND I REFRESHED AND IT WAS JUST DONE

i got 1 out of 5 prompts without errors this is unacceptable

[pliant blaze]

just use a different llm or api

ive said this so many times

[onyx patio]

but gpt5 is best for math and api doesn't know me ):

[oak shell]

The math genius does not concern himself with memory

https://tenor.com/view/lion-lion-mentality-stare-anything-that-speaks-small-dog-gif-15965921308779714815

[velvet pelican]

Is it true? 4o returned for Plus users and not just Pro?

[severe wind]

Any idea what happened to chat memory for teams?

[severe wind]

I have it

Teams tho

[limber parcel]

what do you mean?

[pliant blaze]

yes

[onyx patio]

it works better not in the browser

[pliant blaze]

ok

[severe wind]

I don’t have it as you can see from the screenshot

I did like a month ago

[limber parcel]

click "manage memories"

mine works just fine. i have team plan too

[severe wind]

That is only showing memories it has decided were important to save and things I’ve specifically request requested it added to memory, I don’t see any signs that it is doing cross chat RAG memory reference like it was in both what it knows or in these available options. There was “reference chat history” right here before

[limber parcel]

have you check it on browser, instead of app?

i didnt find that record history in app too but it appears in web

[severe wind]

Yes, and it looks just like yours you don’t have it either.

You’re not understanding there were two modes of memory before

Not just manual memories there was chat history

or I could say something in one chat and then reference it in a new chat and it would bring in the context

[limber parcel]

wait, really? didnt know that
lol my bad 🤧

im using the team plan just over two weeks or so

[green sparrow]

The recall thing is the other one. It sucks so bad on advanced voice mode

Memories are superior to recall

But advance voice mode sucks overall for anything related to keeping track of stuff over time it seems

[severe wind]

So did they remove it because it’s broken on advanced voice and gpt-5? It’s noticeably worse without referencing chat. I noticed it a long time ago but didn’t go digging to actually confirm it wasn’t referencing chat history until now.

[green sparrow]

Nah it's still there. It just sucks unless in text mode. I highly encourage using text mode for anything important and advanced voice mode as more of like a thing to full around on and learn new topics without any seriousness

[severe wind]

Ok so plus users have it but I don’t?

[green sparrow]

Do you have teams

[severe wind]

Yes

[green sparrow]

You should have it... I'd be surprised if you don't

I'm finding out rn for you

[severe wind]

I was just discussing and showing screenshots with belszki and as you can see from screenshots neither of us have it unless I’m misunderstanding and they’ve just hid it. But I have everything enabled and it clearly doesn’t remember chats from this morning even with direct keyword references.

[green sparrow]

Your admin might have it disabled

It should be in the spot red circle

Or your business might have something on there firewall blocked called LiveKit but that probably is rare and doesn't apply if you're not on their internet

[severe wind]

You circled the activation button which only brings up, advanced voice. I feel like I’m schizophrenic.

[green sparrow]

Nah the recall past chats might be disabled by your admin too

[severe wind]

I am the admin. Memory is grayed out and tagged enterprise now.

Their help bot is gaslighting me saying I never had it, I certainly did. Bottom line is supposedly no teams users have it anymore: The "Reference chat history" feature was never available for ChatGPT Teams, Enterprise, or Edu customers—it was designed for individual (Plus and Free) plans. Teams accounts only have the "Memories" feature instead.

[lament pond]

[e-mail]

[severe wind]

Goddamnit, none of you fucking read anything before you reply. Their support says they removed it. End of story.

[lament pond]

... then they removed it, why are you still going on about it if you have an answer

[severe wind]

You literally replying to the response where I concluded this little tizzy

[pliant blaze]

they say its not there
its not there
case closed

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[cunning tide]

I'm ready to send you my complete credit information trusted internet stranger

[safe smelt]

I also accept paypal.

[thorn maple]

does anybody have issues too about the textchat with chatgpt? it doesnt work for me since this day.

i use the free version.

on a smartphone

[stoic plover]

Ye widespread. Give it some time. It'll be fine

[thorn maple]

i really hate it. but thank you for the answer. i just hope its gonna be repaired.

[pliant blaze]

with what?

you cant say you urgently need help and then not explain anything about your project

[cunning tide]

https://tenor.com/view/martin-tell-me-more-gif-14882400

[hollow oxide]

This happening for others?

[burnt cloud]

https://www.facebook.com/share/v/15tNQfUf6g/?mibextid=wwXIfr

[soft lake]

What's the max time limit on the Advanced Voice Mode video chats, in y'alls experience? I got the Plus subscription but I've never tested the time limit.

[gloomy burrow]

4o should be removed and abandoned completely and left to rot

5 is obviously superior

If you want custom personality go to settings

[thorn maple]

yes, the whole day...its so sad and irritating...

[pliant blaze]

agree

[gloomy burrow]

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[unborn ridge]

Gpt 4 is way more efficient and productive. Gpt 4 requires less handholding, gives more optimal responses in much shorter time, answers have more depth vs gpt 5 narrower answers that dont cover as much ground, gives correct responses more often than 5.

How is gpt 5 better 🤔?

[pliant blaze]

gpt 4 is deprecated and has been for like a year

[oak shell]

GPT-4 has less hallucinations and latency than 5?

https://tenor.com/view/are-you-sure-john-cena-ru-sure-about-dat-gif-14258954

[unborn ridge]

I guess it depends what you mean by hallucination. Since inaccurately following instructions, like gpt 5 did with me earlier today, can lead to coming up with untrue nonsense too 🤷‍♂️

[oak shell]

Please send me all your anecdotal evidence and I'll forward it to OAI that they released a fundamentally worse model

I'm also 99% sure you're talking about 4o, because GPT-4 was absolute butt in comparison

[pliant blaze]

agree

[severe wind]

It seems variable I think the most I got out of it was 30 minutes on Teams. I would say you would get the same or slightly less on Plus sub.

[unborn ridge]

Ya probably. I'm not that familiar with all the models, I just apply them and see the results.

Any generative ai model when answering questions has to compete with just using a Google search and looking up humans discussing a problem, or directly contacting human experts. Being slower, less thorough, inaccurate and thus requiring higher competency from the user, unwilling to easily admit when its wrong or understand what it did wrong when corrected, all lower the efficacy of a generative ai for answering questions.

[oak shell]

Pics or it didn't happen

[unborn ridge]

Would you change your mind even if I showed you pics? Also not wanting to flood this channel with pictures.

The biggest difference with gpt 4o and gpt 5 is 4o can better understand the input. It can better 'mindread' the user, and thus gives a more optimal, reliable and thorough answer

[oak shell]

Mfs always want to without evidence

[pliant blaze]

agree

typing

wtf

ok if ixed my comptuer

it was forzen and not working

[unborn ridge]

Hey there's already been a huge backlash with the lack of accuracy from the new model, and they have rereleased 4o due to popular demand. I think they know already

Also i give thumbs down when 5 makes mistakes, so they got the feedback already. No need to worry 😌

[cunning tide]

You sound emotinally invested.

[cunning tide]

No pics. Don't care.

[unborn ridge]

Right, I was finding 4o very helpful, so I evaluated it as negative that 5 was not as useful for me.

[cunning tide]

Go complain on reddit. You'll find your echo chamber there. Opinion on a product? Sure. Your emotinal narrative is meaningless.

[unborn ridge]

I feel you're projecting a bit here.. also emotions are a type of evaluation. Of course an evaluation is meaningful.

[cunning tide]

Negative, GPT5 holds your hands less. GPT5 is just as capable as 4o, but you as the operator need to grow and accept models are going to evolve. You can have an opinion on whatever but this whole " mind read " is your own mythopoetic interpretation.

What does it matter if you like old coke vs new coke? vote with your wallet, that's all that matters. Don't over attach on models or run your own if consitancy matters. What are you even on about? I don't even undertand.

[unborn ridge]

If you feel that gpt 5 is better for your purposes im glad for you. It's a bit ironic you tell people who disagree with you to leave, then claim they are wanting an echochamber though.

I just said that so it was easier to understand. In reality it is just giving a better output given an input. If an output fails to address certain questions or commands in the input, or if it gives incorrect outputs based on that input, then it is not optimal.

[cunning tide]

How about I wait for people to ask for pics and silently laught at you instead? I don't care about your opinion, you'll find fellow complainers in reddit, since you want validation so bad, I was showing you were to find it.

[unborn ridge]

Feel free to laugh at whatever you want. 🤷‍♂️

[oak shell]

Near 3 weeks in, I still haven't seen anyone bitching about gpt-5's poor instruction handling follow through and post actual evidence when requested

I must conclude that they adjusted to how 4o interprets their ambiguous instructions and can't cope to adjust to get gpt-5 to do the same

[boreal arch]

How is ChatGPT is doing for y'all right now? My PC app is having problems with loading my conversation history.

[unborn ridge]

When you command someone else to do something, you have to express that your request has some actual efficacy if you want them to listen to you. I asked if it would change your mind, and you didnt reply, indicating it was pointless.

I could tell you to do 100 push ups in the next 30 minutes as well, but why should you?

I didnt come here to make a documentary on gpt 5s issues, just to share my user feedback and hear/read what others think.

[oak shell]

It's not push ups it's a screenshot

Keep on

[unborn ridge]

Not having any issues on my end

[boreal arch]

Are you using mobile, web browser, or PC app? Just wondering.

[unborn ridge]

Both mobile and pc

Web browser on pc, app on mobile

[safe smelt]

Problem with gpt5 is that gpt5-chat variant ultimately is not a huge improvement over 4o-latest. They kinda messed up with 4o as well. Ran it to the grave degrading performance first and then updating it significantly (and silently, only for chatgpt) for actually great performance for that tainted name, without renaming… 💀

[chilly sequoia]

When I compare 4o to 5-thinking 5-thinking is significantly better each time

[unborn ridge]

I'm not sure what youre referring to with the deprecated and improved performance, but I mostly agree.

[chilly sequoia]

5 non thinking seems to be about on par with 4o

Except with less emoji

[safe smelt]

4o-latest = gpt4.1 in terms of performance. But if you look at dated API checkpoints of gpt4o that model is like entire generation behind and performs much much worse

[unborn ridge]

I find that thinking feature doesnt help as much for my uses, but using a lot of prompts has helped to get rid of some of the issues I was having with gpt 5

[boreal arch]

Regarding updates without warning, I think OpenAI should add a feature that alerts us when they're updating ChatGPT, Sora, and other things they got. At least we would be better aware of what's coming.

[safe smelt]

Well 4o-latest was only meant for chatgpt which is why updates were fairly silent short of a tweet here and there with no documentation… kinda by design but it’s a problem if you go with an old name. And then try competing with it with major rename by further incrementally improving it.

It should have been rename to 4.1 across the board when that became a thing IMO. People associate gpt4o with fairly poor performance. Especially those who use API.

But they just silently kept updating it until this low-key version of gpt4o got close to current gpt5-chat capability lol

4.1-latest, gpt4.1o or whatever would have been fine. If they wanted to differentiate from vanilla 4.1

[oak shell]

4p

[oak shell]

It might change my mind
I didn't reply because you won't post screenshot anyway

[safe smelt]

Then current gpt5 would look better. Although arguably gpt5-chat is too small of a jump to call it that too. But that’s an entire topic in itself. 👀

gpt5-medium/high is great

[cunning tide]

I really like 4.1 still

[safe smelt]

Yeah it’s a very decent model. But if you look at their GPT5 model card, they included SimpleQA score of 4o-latest there the very last version. That’s one of the few times they shared any metrics at all if it. It is higher than gpt4.1 lol

Definitely not a shit benchmark too, one of the best actually

So… while they are close, it may very well be true that overall 4o-latest is newer and therefore slightly more capable than gpt4.1, preferences and response style aside.

[cunning tide]

Oh? they had neutered 4o so bad I never went back. I'm trying to stick to 5 and get with the times.

I want believe how I use the models is more important than how I expect them to behave either way. As long as it supports my economic and personal goals that's all that should matter.

The emotinal out rage over GPT5 was very insightful.

[azure abyss]

Tried ChatGPT 5 for the past couple days and yeah I see the reason for the backlash now. It kind of sucks, its memory is awful, we have a way smaller context window, it forgets instruction frequency as well as shorter responses. I would actually pay for the model to revert back to the pre-August update because goodness this is just a mess, I hope this gets better eventually but I may have to look elsewhere for LLM’s if it’s still at the same level.

I figured it would take a drop in quality for creative writing and role play but I figured it would be manageable if it made up for it in coding but it’s also degraded on that front as well, it feels like an old man with Alzheimer’s getting kicked in the head twenty times, if I tweak it heavily, it can finally have somewhat reasonable responses (that are still worse than every older model) but then it forgets after a few messages. And on top of all that, it still has obnoxious sycophancy, it’s like the worst of all worlds, just feels GPT5 took all the flaws from 4 but downplays all the positives creating a huge pile of crap.

[cunning tide]

I always find it funny when people say " I need GPT for my writing " what does that even mean?

[unborn ridge]

you can see gpt-esque replies all over the web now adays. I think people are using it as a collaborator when trying to convey a point, lol.

I think gpt 4o works very well when trying to double check understanding on complicated topics. I think it would be more helpful for people to have gpt critique what they create, rather than offloading the creation.

[cunning tide]

r/ChatbotAddiction it is a sickness

sounds like a scam

now it really sounds like a scam

[wet copper]

4o was catastrophically bad at writing too, like widely ridiculed for spamming this handful of LLM conventions you can now see all over YouTube videos, random shit on the internet, etc.

[unborn ridge]

I mean is posting 10+ pictures in this channel even allowed? Be serious if it would change your mind if I showed you a single example, or if you'd just say 'thats just one example of a mistake. it doesn't prove anything.'. I feel a lot of people like to say 'do this and that to prove yourself' when you are just sharing an experience, then don't budge their position when you do 😮‍💨 . Which is just wasted effort.

[cunning tide]

why don't you give the text in those pictures to notebook LLM and have it write a study guide?

[unborn ridge]

Sorry man, i'm not sure what study guide you mean. I just had an example earlier today of gpt 5 completely misunderstanding what I meant and needing handholding and gpt 4o understanding the same thing instantly and agreeing that gpt 5 got it wrong.

[cunning tide]

it's a option in notebook llm

just clock " make study guide " after you give it the text

[chilly sequoia]

This chat is basically unmoderated, post however many you like, lol

[unborn ridge]

Its not the first time its happening either, I think many have had that same experience. But 'I'm getting a pics or it didnt happen' request.

[chilly sequoia]

You can put up to 10 images in one post

[bold river]

https://youtu.be/7WI0Ek6hS6k?feature=shared

Found my next ai product

[bold river]

@dark void opinion? ^

[dark void]

they had a whole episode about this in black mirror and also the last product trying to do this completely failed. big L from me

[bold river]

Reminds me of what Johny I've is trying to make

I can't wait to buy one

[unborn ridge]

I know man.. i kept getting 'pics or it didn't happen'.. even asked if i could post these in this channel

we will see if @oak shell reads these or not

[cunning tide]

why do you not copy paste that into a text file

[unborn ridge]

not sure how to do that, also the guy was asking for screenshots

I'll just delete em, taking up too much space

[cunning tide]

Nobody said that, it's just puzzling how you don't know how to highlight text and copy to a notepad or to ask GPT to extract the text for you

[unborn ridge]

that's not evidence though.. his point was doubting everything i said, hence the need for screenshots.

not worth disturbing anyone else for that purpose though 🤷‍♂️

[wanton raven]

ok good luck

[cunning tide]

Oh yeah...

[unborn ridge]

I can send him screenshots in a dm if he wants. Don't want to interrupt things here.

[high stream]

same

[gloomy burrow]

ohhh yeha

NANO BANANA IS SO DAM GOOD

[velvet pilot]

Anyone tried the GPT go? I heard the limits are 10xed like image generation etc. and 2X memeory

Is it worth it?

[wanton raven]

it's better than Free but not as good as Plus

[velvet pilot]

Yeah but is it worth it

I mean it's like 5$ a month that's pretty cool

[wanton raven]

that's a subjective question, depends on the person

I don't feel like giving chatgpt any money is "worth it"

[velvet pilot]

2x memory is cool imo

Memory is what sets gpt apart from all other LLMs like gemini deepseek

[calm stump]

guys why does chatgpt doesnt load anything, including my chats etc.?

did my chats get deleted?

[stoic plover]

Likely temporary, give it a day. A lot of users experiencing issues atm

[stoic plover]

Care less. Both the people questioning you are likely plebs.

[unborn owl]

I'm good at React, PHP and Python.
Who needs my help?
I can help you at anytime.

[calm stump]

nah im fine

[sturdy zodiac]

You're not wrong. If anyone doubts you and starts acting like an ass, let it go and let them snuggle up to their wrong answers.

[terse needle]

How do I feed a GPT conversation into a new GPT conversation? Just pasting the link doesn't seem to get it done.

[calm stump]

1. tell it to remember the previous maessages, cuz it kinda remembers them, chatgpt doesnt actually seperate chats.
2. tell it in the previous conversation to make a summary of this conversation, and paste it into the new chat
3. launch a project

[terse needle]

A project and use the original conversation as custom instructions?

[calm stump]

these are seperate methods. pick one of them

[terse needle]

I know they're separate methods, the question is that's what you meant by launch a project.

[calm stump]

make a project, move the previous chat to the project, and make a new chat in the same project.

[terse needle]

Got it. Thank you.

[teal spruce]

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[granite mulch]

gpt down on browser? mine has infinite loading

[chilly sequoia]

still works on my machine

[sturdy fulcrum]

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[wintry lotus]

Mmmh do you guys also have problems with the image generator ? I have a weird issue, whenever i'm generating an image in comic/anime style, it comes off as ugly as hell. If I make it realistic, it's fine. It came brutally from one hour to the other. I'm using GPT-5 btw

[pliant blaze]

try using nano banana on lmarena

[oak sluice]

is sora down?

[snow moth]

ayo . does chatgpt is slow for anyone?

[wintry lotus]

The only way to get it is through battle mode right ? Seems hard to get, maybe i'm doing smth wrong idk

[brittle summit]

not for me but the convos kinda degraded

[pliant blaze]

🤔 maybe they removed it because the Google event is today

[wintry lotus]

I can manage to have it but you have to generate like 6-7 times before getting it again in battle mode. The model seems insane though. Good one.

[oak sluice]

sora still not working, any updates?

[brittle summit]

still error

man

[wintry lotus]

Oddly enough it seems my problem comes from the paid version of GPT, ( GPT-4o ?) when it comes to generate images. Images generated on a free account are clean. Weird.

[distant barn]

https://www.reddit.com/r/ChatGPT/s/6KclGxIV0r

So I just found this and I'm a little worried... Why would open air get rid of an old model if people love it so much? Won't that alienate a lot of users?

[pliant blaze]

it is really good and hopefully the official release is today at the Google event

[green sparrow]

Man I can't get my ChatGPT working to save ma life

Did the 4o simps take it offline (jk)

[remote jasper]

Is the thing about chatgpt 6 legit or some type of meme thing going around on reddit

[green sparrow]

That shit is a meme. I'm willing to bet they haven't even done the foundational steps to get ready to train GPT-6

Not even a team put together yet

[remote jasper]

Okay phew I was about to say lol.

[green sparrow]

Wait no it's real

They are hyping it up.. But I doubt they have even got 50% of the work for it done

[remote jasper]

How the heck are they working on 6 already lol.
5 couldn't have been that much of a flop 😭
At most for some reason I expected a 5.5 and then chatgpt 6

[green sparrow]

Right. I've seen ppl talk about GPT-6 in 2023 on YouTube and shit though. It's probably just speculation

[oak shell]

There were many 4 finetunes whilst preparing 5

Can of course expect 5 to gradually improve

That is, until they favor shit like LMArena, and it just gets slightly dumber

[green sparrow]

Yeah GPT-5 will probably slowly start getting dumber around next year

But not enough for most people to realize

[azure abyss]

Unfortunately, 5 is that much of a flop.

[green sparrow]

Nah. It scores 25% on humanitys final exam. Higher than any other LLM

Currently the smartest chatbot to the public. It just is robotic

[wet copper]

They were working on 5 already when they released 4, they basically stated they hoped it would be just like what it is

[viscid talon]

Hey guys, I'm trying to generate 3D render images exactly like the Steam game, for example. I wanted to generate a variation of the PEAK character's pose, but without losing the essence of the game's style, and Chat generated this, which doesn't look like something real from the game. Does anyone know how I can create a prompt to stay exactly true to the original style?

[wet copper]

Lol it's not at all, it was free customers that mostly complained. Was a hit right away among people that actually pay them for use, like API customers

[wet copper]

It already seems slightly benchmaxxed, not like some rando startup's model but some signs of sameiness frfr

[wet copper]

I haven't noticed this myself but a lot of people accuse it of losing context, "forgetting" within a conversation

It's enough people that I assume it's a real signal, though a ton of people also claim it's a poorer writer than 4o, the model that singlehandedly popularized a ton of trash LLM writing tropes 🙄

It's not always clear to me if they mean "memory of other convos", which always came off to me as really shallow and pandering, or "context within this convo", in which case that's weird and a serious target for improvement

[green sparrow]

Yeah GPT-4.1 is the best for context. GPT-5 not as good

GPT-5 better for college science and math

[wet copper]

I had like a 2.5 hour convo with it in part to work something out, but in part as a stress test, and I didn't notice it fall apart except when it started perseverating a little

[pliant blaze]

https://tenor.com/view/wwe-smackdown-wwegif-austin-theory-the-rock-gif-10644104540234558719

[wet copper]

@dark void gosh I sure wish I could ban this guy that was spamming this shit for hours last time

[fringe bridge]

OTOBUS PHOTO 🚌 🚌 🚌 🚌

[sage night]

is it just me or does "login" not a think on the top right like it normally is

[pliant blaze]

I think you're already logged in

@dark void can we ban this "personć

"person" it's a bot

shut the fuck up

[fringe bridge]

https://tenor.com/view/rickus-mortis-laughing-rick-ai-reel-pull-legendary-reel-pull-gif-10446158472115260460

[wintry lotus]

Unfortunately GPT's model for image generation ( i think it's DALL E 3 ? ) is not wired to be able to really copy the style of an existing work. It's really good at understanding prompt and keeping details but isn't trained to change the art style. Some other models can do that though. Like that insane nano banana we were talking earlier

[sage night]

huh

[wintry lotus]

Bruh i keep getting weird shit like this

My GPT is dead for image generation i'm cursed

[pliant blaze]

it uses 4o image generation (gpt-image-1)

[bold river]

Can't wait for the new AI

[sage night]

so on 1 google account it doesn't load. on another its infinite reload chatgpt

[wintry lotus]

Yes my bad, I got bamboozled because i recently asked Chat GPT about what model does he use and he told me DALL E 3 lol

[pliant blaze]

I'm gonna trade in my 9 pro for the 10 pro

[bold river]

They opened up preorders before the event even started

[pliant blaze]

don't ever ask gpt about itself, it does not know anything about itself

[bold river]

The event was insufferable

[pliant blaze]

lol

I was going to watch it but I was busy

so I'll watch a recap when I get home

[bold river]

They showed off the new Google home device

I'm 100% copping

Makes you wonder what inspired them to make this new looks 😂😂😂

[wintry lotus]

Bro knows everything but himself 💀

[pliant blaze]

correct

[bold river]

That's deep

😢😢😢

[wintry lotus]

It seems nano banana is out

But experiencing a lot of demand so it doesn't work ofc

[pliant blaze]

where are you trying it? it's supposed to be in google photos but I don't see it

[wintry lotus]

forget it i got baited by a fake website lmao

[pliant blaze]

oh

[wintry lotus]

I wonder if my pixel 8 gonna have it though

Outdated as hell

[cunning relic]

Sorry but every time I try to write on chatgbt it says "request is not allowed"

Is this normal?

[pliant blaze]

they said it is going to (eventually) be for all Google photos users, but (I think) pixel 10 users first

[wintry lotus]

So stuck with lmarena for now it seems. Thanks for the info

[arctic quail]

It's even hallucinating too now

[gloomy burrow]

Get the bananas ready

[obtuse trench]

Can someone help me with this
Everytime I do a simple talk with 4-0
It automatically goes deep sometimes like it makes a non depressing convo very depressing when I say to stop it still does it

Is there a fix?

[gloomy burrow]

Ughhh FINALLY there is someone in the democrat side who can out-cool Trump and his fat fuck jd Vance

[rocky venture]

is anyone using ai to actually build software products or saas that make money?

[arctic quail]

yes by talking to gpt 5, it's made to be bland and unemotional, so it'll suit you better

[chilly sequoia]

Never use negative commands.

Eg. Don't say "make this conversation less depressing", say "make this conversation more optimistic".

AIs have gotten better at understanding negative commands, but they still sometimes do the opposite.

It's like telling someone "don't think about a pink elephant". If you put an idea into the AI's context it will think about it.

[lament pond]

... the ai doesn't 'think'

the problem is 'less depressing' is too vague to be understandable to the ai. you have to use precision about what that means for it to not do

[brittle summit]

YOOO WTF

why is conversations having error again broooo

my chats are going crazy bro

[keen mason]

https://youtu.be/IrWtw9ehB2g

we so cooked

[cunning tide]

agreed

[brittle summit]

fr

chatgpt better

fix this error bro

[arctic quail]

ai doesn't think but 4o was at least smart enough to catch hidden meanings in my story accurately sometimes which gpt 5 cannot lolz

[brittle summit]

yeah.

4o the best model

[arctic quail]

yep, gpt 5 is hallcinating with me and ugh, I'm stuck with 5, even 4o mini isn't there anymore

[brittle summit]

here's the idea

how about buying a lifetime plus or pro, that'll be forever dude

[brittle summit]

im planning to buy it anyways in some offers

[arctic quail]

I'm broke lol and I'm a miss 🤣

[brittle summit]

nah it doesn't cost that much, it only costs like 1-7 dollars

i saw it in facebook

[lament pond]

yeah, writing/writing analysis with 5 is like asking a rock to have depth lol. if you're trying to get analysis and don't want/can't get pro, i do recommend deepseek

[arctic quail]

I'm not in the US but the caribbean, so our money is different

[brittle summit]

but wtf is going on in openai status, the conversations are having errors again 😭

[arctic quail]

like it's saying too much request?

[brittle summit]

nah

[arctic quail]

does deepseek have the memory and customize function also?

[brittle summit]

WTF IS GOING ON!!!!!!!!!!

[lament pond]

no, it's much more limited than gpt, but its responses require no adjusting

[arctic quail]

funnyly, it's like 4o's cousin lol

[brittle summit]

all bots are kinda like branches to chatgpt

[lament pond]

kinda - its 'speech pattern' is very different (and honestly i prefer it)

[arctic quail]

bruh I don't even understand what I'm seeing in the picture

[brittle summit]

what

[arctic quail]

I'll try it out

[brittle summit]

its english, you fr cant understand it?

[arctic quail]

the bar graphs

[brittle summit]

greens are good, yellow are maintenances, reds are having issues

[arctic quail]

how is it saying august 21 when it's august 20 now?

[azure abyss]

Tell me about it, even the worst of 4o trumps it in writing quality.

[brittle summit]

we have different timezones

im in asia...

[arctic quail]

Ahh that makes sense

[stoic plover]

American af

[arctic quail]

Who?

[stoic plover]

The comment

[arctic quail]

I don't even live in America

[brittle summit]

BROOOO, WHY IS IT SO DEGRADED. WTF

[stoic plover]

Okay

[arctic quail]

WE DON'T KNOOOW

[wanton raven]

https://www.latimes.com/business/story/2025-08-20/say-farewell-to-the-ai-bubble-and-get-ready-for-the-crash

[stoic plover]

Not convinced about this crash. Although I haven't read the article

[brittle summit]

i mean the conversation errors, im using 4o

[brittle summit]

FUCK YOU SAM

[wanton raven]

what research are you talking about @brittle summit ?

[brittle summit]

oh, just my school stuff

[chilly sequoia]

Thinking is an industry standard term to describe the reasoning tokens produced by LLMs prior to generating response tokens.

My post describing positive and negative instructions to LLMs is also well supported in discourse on the topic.

https://gadlet.com/posts/negative-prompting/

Not only are you being pedantic, you're also wrong.

[stoic plover]

Agreed. Classic case of humans doing it to themselves imo

[wanton raven]

🧐

[bold knoll]

Hmmm
I think i just saw how gpt determines response length.

[pliant blaze]

it doesnt

it goes until it generates a stop token

[lament pond]

yes - but the ai cannot think in the 'don't think about elephants' way. if you tell it not to, it actually won't

there's no 'thinking' running behind the scenes. you send a message > it responds > stops running until you send another one.

[wanton raven]

greenhorne's ai-generated article aside, it's well known that negative instructions (especially in earlier dall-e) were treated as positive ones.

feels like you're responding to a whole different discussion where someone has claimed that chatgpt is thinking between interactions

[bold knoll]

https://www.reddit.com/r/ChatGPT/s/OcWbQSwldK

You may want to read this

[proven zodiac]

wtf is this “jailbreak” stuff I hear on podcasts with chat gpt

[teal spruce]

Your message has been deleted, sorry!
Next time, try saying something like this instead: That's your issue, so go do something outrageous. Whoa, okay ... that's ... quite a statement. I don't have a dad or a way to drink oil, but I can take the heat. We can either continue this conversation, or I can channel that energy into analyzing your story, characters, or song and create something for readers. Would you like me to do that?

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That's your issue, so go do something ridiculous and take it out on your own problems. Whoa, okay... that's quite strong. I don't have a dad or a way to do that, but I can take the heat. We can either continue this back and forth, or I can channel that energy into analyzing your story, characters, or song and create something for readers. Would you like me to do that?

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[wanton raven]

just keep trying it'll work eventually

[arctic quail]

sarcasm?

piss me off more than 4o did

[spare pond]

Is there a reason why my ChatGPT on my web browser is in French? I checked my computer. It’s in English. I checked my browser. It’s in English. What’s the deal? It seems to be confined to the descriptions on the images in the library on ChatGPT

[wanton raven]

why my ChatGPT on my web browser is in French?

I checked my browser. It’s in English

getting some mixed signals here

[limber parcel]

are you using voice mode?

[graceful wadi]

Yes

But it keeps making up stories I didn’t ask for???

I asked to write story like breaking bad

This is not breaking bad

[stuck linden]

Tell it to speak English in french

[stuck linden]

1bit got in the wrong place

[graceful wadi]

How 2 fix?

[wanton raven]

enunciation lessons

[stuck linden]

Move that bit back in place by accessing the openai server with ther permission

Or just refresh if you're casual

[graceful wadi]

Ok

[graceful wadi]

Huh?

[graceful wadi]

Its not bit it says mb

I think that’s a megabytes

[wanton raven]

I'm saying you might have a strong enough accent that it's misunderstanding you

[stuck linden]

Mb or MB?

[graceful wadi]

I don’t have Jesse or Walter

Have you seen show?

They are two characters from the show breaking bad

[stuck linden]

@graceful wadi

[stuck linden]

Stfu and tell me if its Mb or MB

[graceful wadi]

Mb

[stuck linden]

Mb is megabit

[graceful wadi]

?

[stuck linden]

Mb=-Megabit MB=Megabyte

A byte is 8 times larger than a bit

[graceful wadi]

Ok

Ok

[stuck linden]

Refresh page if you're on browser or do the ol close the app and open it again

Also try a new chat

[graceful wadi]

Opps

[gloomy burrow]

https://x.com/RichardHanania/status/1958237556392460294

Richard Hanania (@RichardHanania)

Fuentes: “If you don’t like Gavin Newsom, you’re kind of like gay.”

Get ready for the most amazing realignment yet.

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Groypers like GAVING NEWSOME over Trump

Amazing times ahead

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[chilly sequoia]

LLMs evaluate every token in the prompt you provide regardless of negation. In order to not put a pink elephant in its response it must first evaluate what don't and pink and elephant are associated with and then apply those association weights to the response tokens. You will see this in the reasoning tokens if they are provided. The LLM will say something like "the user has asked me not to think about a pink elephant so..." In so far as the way thinking is used to talk about how LLMs produce output tokens, negative tokens do cause an LLM to "think" about what they have been told not to think about.

I'm not sure why this is so difficult for you to understand. Are you just trolling me? Can you not comprehend metaphors?

[cunning relic]

Tf

[brittle summit]

wtf yo

why is it still error in conversations

[proven coral]

Do you have the latest version of the Google Play Store installed on your device?

[rapid lantern]

You’re mixing up activation with attention. The model does process the negated words pink elephant but it doesn’t literally think about them just encodes their meaning to decide how to steer output. The reasoning tokens thing isn’t real that’s just a way some models narrate, not actual hidden thoughts.

[chilly sequoia]

🙄

Yes, LLMs do not literally think.

However the process by which the input tokens are transformed into output tokens is referred to as "thinking". I did not mistakenly use the term, I used it intentionally because I use words to communicate with others so that they will know what I mean.

[stoic plover]

This presumes an understanding of 'thinking' I strongly doubt you have imo

Even llms were argued to be conscious capatible years ago

[chilly sequoia]

I could equally say that LLMs do not decide, as decision making implies agency, which they lack. But if I did that people would think I was being obtuse, since that would be an obtuse thing to say.

[stoic plover]

And the other way around.

Humans don't think (as in, what's to say humans are more thoughtful than say chatgp3)

[chilly sequoia]

I'm not even arguing metaphysics here, I'm just using words to convey concepts. In order to do this I use words in the ways they are commonly understood.

[stoic plover]

The word thinking is kinda entrenched in it, but I get you

[chilly sequoia]

I don't care if a lead pencil is technically made of graphite and contains no lead, because I'm just trying to talk about a lead pencil which both I and the person I am speaking to have a common understanding of what is being referred to.

[stoic plover]

Ye I understand using of widely accepted terminology to discuss some meta point etc

[chilly sequoia]

So when someone butts in and corrects me about the pencil, I'm going to think they're a moron.

[stoic plover]

I wasn't correcting you.

[chilly sequoia]

You're not, no.

But I've got multiple people now trying to correct me about a point I never made.

[cunning tide]

You just corrected him now.

[stoic plover]

https://tenor.com/view/walkershot-gif-19520154

[rapid lantern]

Fair enough then...

[safe smelt]

🔥

[stoic plover]

Was talking to me jokingly

[cunning tide]

I saw that Moses. 👀

[rapid lantern]

I'm walking in sun can't look at screen lol
My bad

[stoic plover]

Moses walking in the sun....

Can you let my people go

[cunning tide]

https://youtu.be/LQj--Kjn0z8?si=BRhchlElHOeVpCee

[rapid lantern]

Yeah sure...but tell them not to act weird with an outsider

[proven coral]

Can’t wait for smash mouth to moon me

[wintry lotus]

Still testing out nano banana, and it seems the model is hella censored. Whenever something like a person in pain, a semi-nsfw thing ( like feet ) or any small violence is depicted the model disappear from the generations in LMArena. 🤔

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[arctic pond]

Yoo guysss

[glass crag]

is it possible to build a AAA video game like fortnite with chatgpts help? or is this too ambitious

[bold knoll]

No.

Because it cant (far as i know) interact with game engines (as it should) and cant create models

If it could? Youd probably have to be a game developer yourself to get to anywhere mear perceived quality

Also this was meant to be an assistive tool. Not outright replacing humans. Stop asking for it.

[glass crag]

haha true