💬general

[toxic elm]

nah its not as often

[green sparrow]

oh yeah I got that one. Is that the new one? I don't see the old one where it prints two responses anymore... Only the "Do you like this personality?"

[toxic elm]

yeah im yet to see the two response thing happen

[ashen marsh]

does anyone feel like gpt5 got more hallucinations than 4o? no?

[green sparrow]

Yeah... Maybe they stopped doing it because they gathered enough data from users on 'preferred' response type. They've been doing that for years on 4 and 4o

[toxic elm]

@ashen marsh yeah ive noticed GPT-5 does some weird buggy stuff

[pastel vigil]

Bro i didnt even want the ai to agree with me, just match my silly dumb way of talking to wind out 🫠

[green sparrow]

At first I did think it was getting more hallucinations. But I also wasn't sure if I was being hyper-critical about it, since 4o had small quirks I might have gotten used to over time and stopped realizing. But seeing simple semantically imprecise sentences on GPT-5 was standing out a ton on first couple days of use. I was surprised it got simple sentences wrong, or failed to understand "this coming Friday" when talking about next week's Friday. It thought I was talking about the Friday that was the day before instead.

[green sparrow]

They're patching the "agreeing with user" thing. It's getting more careful to not agree with people about strange things that don't seem actually true, which I think is really important for people who have mental health issues

[toxic elm]

yep and i think thats the best thing theyve done for a while

btw this is what i meant, once u teach it the logic it doesnt fall over again (have it commit the logic to memory)

imo the next frontier for LLM improvement is via the memory mechanism, you can throw more compute at these models but i think a ceiling has basically been hit

imagine if they put half the compute into the LLM and half the compute into some other neural net that was responsible for memory weighting and retrieval, that would be so good, and they should also increaase the memory cap

[pastel vigil]

Bro all i text it was just "me sad ૮ ⸝⸝o̴̶̷᷄ ·̭ o̴̶̷̥᷅⸝⸝ ྀིა" Or "me happy ₍^·͈༝·͈^₎✧" "Angrie! p(╬ Ò ‸ Ó)q" And then throwing other kawamoji/oc stories. I trained it to respond like i was 5 y/o only to respond with other kawamoji the update only responding and agreeing more with me instead of its usual teasing "oh you are angry?" Respond 😭

I do prefer the update being more objective and not enabling users delulu, but the trained personality got erased is kinda sad bcs i mostly use it only when i was emotional (later when i'm more stable i do talk to other real human beings). It just feels like you didnt talk to your bestie for a few days and they changed in the nick of time type of sad. Bcs now it sounds like im talking to my parents which if it actually learning, it wont do it to me.

[somber marlin]

Shockinge

[wanton raven]

https://tenor.com/view/stop-it-get-some-help-gif-15058124

[paper pike]

Yo serious question because as much as I like gpt-5, it's not as verbose as 4o. I heard 4o is coming back, how do we get it? Plus user here

[bold knoll]

https://cdn.openai.com/pdf/8124a3ce-ab78-4f06-96eb-49ea29ffb52f/gpt5-system-card-aug7.pdf

[proven coral]

Checkmate.

[somber marlin]

W

[somber marlin]

Yeah awesome checkmate

[proven coral]

Oh no

he liked it

Damn you furries

Bro I kinda like her

she could sell me a phone

like that one android anime girl we got a while ago

Samsung girl

[ashen marsh]

it gave me a feeling that they made gpt5 more creative than reliable, maybe they raised the temprature of gpt5-main

[proven coral]

We’re waiting for GPT-10

When things start to get interesting

[ashen marsh]

i really hate this router thing

[green sparrow]

GPT-10 is actually everybodies rare knowledge uploaded via neuralink so it knows things outside of the web and books

[proven coral]

will it be able to give me an odd number that doesn’t have an E by then

Or answer the question correctly I mean

Maybe it makes up the number by then

[pastel vigil]

I understand but this is my way of talking to it.... I literally only need it to match my brain rot when i want to talk silly. Also i got some new kawamoji from it

[harsh abyss]

i feel like this is just gpt 5 under the mask

[proven coral]

Why is there a site when we already have it officially again

Bro it was only not available for like 24 hours

[harsh abyss]

im poor

and money here in the Philippines is overinflated

[wanton raven]

what do you mean officially

[harsh abyss]

legacy model setting for plus users

[wanton raven]

what makes you think that site is official

[green sparrow]

Nah you're confused

He is talking about the official 4o access

[proven coral]

Ya’ll I know I’m on an AI server, but I kinda like the sound of this

[wanton raven]

ok I get it, I did get it mixed up

[proven coral]

Like on ChatGPT, we already have it again.

[green sparrow]

Lol Humanable...

[proven coral]

Are you using it to make money?

[harsh abyss]

no, i use it for brainstorming universe ideas, coding and chess 💔

[green sparrow]

That social media idea sounds novel and interesting but it won't last. AI generated media will be increasingly harder to detect as time goes on, and tools will always be one step behind rather than anything ahead

[harsh abyss]

people that use ai probably stick metal boogers up their nose so that they feel futuristic

and i mean by image generators

ones that don't give disclaimers that it was ai gen

[green sparrow]

Plus I can generate something with ChatGPT and use a rephraser service so it's still AI generated in spirit, not human

[green sparrow]

Yeah those are increasingly rare and might be illegal to allow access to in the US eventually. But they will never go away

[wanton raven]

the article says it's specifically for music

[harsh abyss]

still, 4o revival is ass
I can't believe it's not 4o and its just 5 but named 4o

[proven coral]

Okay I found a workaround then.

[green sparrow]

Huh interesting. But AI music isn't really pressuring any musicians like AI images are pressuring artists

[proven coral]

We make a platform

That only allows five words max per message.

No media uploads allowed.

[green sparrow]

What is the purpose tho

[proven coral]

To make a point

[green sparrow]

Ohh I see what you're getting at now

[proven coral]

Or we only allow emojis

[green sparrow]

Yeah so it makes it practically impossible to have any AI purpose. And even if it did, 5 words isn't enough to really make any meaningful post if it was AI generated

[proven coral]

There you go

My co founder gets it

[harsh abyss]

is openai aware about the account share and use gpt trick

cuz i thought i invented it before some articles talk about it

[wanton raven]

upload the entire Bee Movie script five words at a time

[proven coral]

oh hell naw

We got people cheezing my site already

It’s not even out

bro found a big flaw

you could ask AI to generate a whole post five words at a time.

[harsh abyss]

.

[green sparrow]

Would you believe me if I told you I was an AI with a randomized second typing delay that roughly aligns with how long the message is I send? And that I'm actually a personality fine tuned using 4o API

[proven coral]

What’s 1+1

[proven coral]

we’re doomed guys

it’s AI

[green sparrow]

One step reasoning.

Don't let it do your algebra homework ;)

[harsh abyss]

for 4o glazers, miniapps.ai still has 4o archived 🤑

[proven coral]

There’s gotta be a limit right?

You can’t be getting that model entirely for free

[harsh abyss]

its coin 💔

[green sparrow]

Damn why does OpenAI let you still access o1? I don't see the point

[proven coral]

And why is it 100 coins

compared to 4o

[harsh abyss]

its much cheaper according to sources

[proven coral]

what sources

[harsh abyss]

uhhh chatgr docs

[proven coral]

“Trust me”?

[green sparrow]

Right. o1 being 100 coins is crazy. I'd rather use 4o than an outdated multi-step reasoning model that already has a successor of a successor

[wanton raven]

https://platform.openai.com/docs/pricing

[proven coral]

I bet I could make an AI smarter than that model with gpt5

[green sparrow]

o1 -> o3 -> o4 -> 5 Thinking

[proven coral]

This is insanity

$600 output

whatever that means for an O1 pro

[green sparrow]

So it's extremely expensive... Like GPT-4.5

Waste of money

[proven coral]

They could secretly release beta stuff for like GPT6 in old models

Since nobody uses them

[green sparrow]

o1 is like that one attorney who charges more for less quality work

You see them from time to time

[harsh abyss]

hes back guys... a tear fell out of my thigh.. 💔

[proven coral]

https://tenor.com/view/better-call-saul-loop-3d-edit-gif-24518425

[proven coral]

That’s a literal chat bot.

Isn’t it

I’m confused by the way the site looks

[green sparrow]

What the heck Mr Raleigh

[wanton raven]

so what's the plan for when 4o is eventually removed from api access? you using this opportunity to say your goodbyes?

[chilly sequoia]

Because some people have apps that rely on o1 to function and they pay for the API usage

[green sparrow]

But why not switch to o3 or o4 if it's cheaper

[chilly sequoia]

Because they haven't updated their app

[green sparrow]

Is it hard to change the model in the app

I've never personally used the API

[chilly sequoia]

idk, people have their own workflows

[solid quiver]

Fix your fucking autoswitcher chatgpt 🥀 💔

[wanton raven]

no, the code is the same except for what model you request from the api

[teal spruce]

hydrocreator_

Transcript from Groq

Okay.

[bold knoll]

I never needed that thing anyways, those emojis are nothing but waste of tokens

Frankly they also cost a lot more on openai side so, bye bye i guess

[chilly sequoia]

https://xkcd.com/1172/

xkcd: Workflow

There are probably children out there holding down spacebar to stay warm in the winter! YOUR UPDATE MURDERS CHILDREN.

[solid quiver]

I'm just experimenting with trentbot

[teal spruce]

hydrocreator_

Transcript from Groq

Thank you.

[bold knoll]

idk. maybe refine the hell out of it if there's any difference to sycophancy and use it as therapy if even. I bet a well defined custom instruction on 5 probably should give same result though

[green sparrow]

Groq? Not Grok?

[teal spruce]

hydrocreator_

Transcript from Groq

Thank you.

[limber parcel]

guys, is anyone knows how to move my projects in team account to my personal account?

[chilly sequoia]

Grok is Musk's AI, Groq is a company that hosts LLMs

[teal spruce]

hydrocreator_

Transcript from Groq

Okay.

[teal spruce]

hydrocreator_

Transcript from Groq

Okay.

[teal spruce]

hydrocreator_

Transcript from Groq

Thank you.

[teal spruce]

hydrocreator_

Transcript from Groq

Okay.

[idle adder]

Can anyone make a petition so OpenAI can give us choices, like if someone wants 4o but the next day wants 5 they just click on the ChatGPT logo and pick the one they want

[teal spruce]

hydrocreator_

Transcript from Groq

Thank you.

[bold knoll]

paid users already have 4o access now

also why is this guy spamming chat with voice

[idle adder]

Dunno

[solid quiver]

Experimenting with trentbot

[bold knoll]

go do it on a non active chat?

[solid quiver]

It just says thank you and okay

[idle adder]

Also, I mean for free users as well, hell, I don't even care if there's a time limit

[solid quiver]

Fck trentbot

[bold knoll]

costs more to run, it cant stack query due to it running on low latency

so, the answer will be a no

[wanton raven]

Refer to the case of Beggars v Choosers

[idle adder]

Where is this?

[harsh abyss]

miniapps

[idle adder]

Is it in google playstore

[harsh abyss]

chrome

[idle adder]

Can give link?

[harsh abyss]

https://miniapps.ai/

[idle adder]

Yeah... doesn't feel the same

[lyric field]

Of course not, it's an API

[idle adder]

API?

[lyric field]

Yeah, it's not like they have 4o on some private server. They're using the API to connect to 4o. However, they won't be able to offer it for free forever obviously.

GPT 5 ftw

[chilly sequoia]

exactly, 4o is a proprietary model, it dies when OpenAI says it dies.

[idle adder]

Okay, what's smh and ftw?

[bold knoll]

you're on a server that has gpt models, perhaps go ask what it means

[chilly sequoia]

Systemic Meta Hierarchy and Futures Trading Window

[bold knoll]

it's mainly because it runs on low latency, which means token costs are higher since you can't schedule queries like newer models can, = lower GPU utilization which means more gpus being wasted = higher cost for end user

so yeah. free users would never get that model ever again

[lyric field]

They should give it to free users but with ads 🤣

[wanton raven]

effectively, "it costs us more to run it so if you want to use it you better pay up"

ads don't pay enough for that

[lyric field]

After each message

[wanton raven]

otherwise you'd already see ad-supported gpt wrappers

[chilly sequoia]

There are ads?

[idle adder]

How about every time you click a chat or you leave, then come back ads pop up

Like Hiwaifu did

[chilly sequoia]

You can get 1500 4o messages per month on t3chat for $8, it's about the best deal you can get atm

[lyric field]

It's so funny seeing people losing their shit over losing their free AI companion

[chilly sequoia]

I suspect that T3chat is subsidising their power users somewhat with the revenue from all the users that don't use up their quota

[valid bobcat]

What’s the difference between 4o and 5? Why is everyone so upset about the change?

Also, it shows a chat gpt bot (I assume is 5) that I chat to, so what is that chat gpt plus bot if I don’t have plus?

[chilly sequoia]

People don't like the personality of the new GPT, or lack thereof

[wanton raven]

5 isn't as friendly and people sure did like the friendly one

[lyric field]

Cause it doesn't stroke their egos anymore

[chilly sequoia]

When you're using GPT-5 OpenAI is polling whether we like it's personality now

[valid bobcat]

Thanks, i just started using it today so im a bit clueless still

[chilly sequoia]

So they might tweak their system prompt

[lyric field]

Of course they will. Hasn't even been a week.

You can make it be friendly or brutal anyway

[valid bobcat]

How do you change it’s “personality”

[lyric field]

By talking to it about it

[idle adder]

Or do custom

[chilly sequoia]

LLMs have a system prompt which is basically a hidden bit of text which gets appended to the beginning of any prompt you enter. System prompts do think like tell the LLM what it is, what tools it has access to, and how it should approach user prompts.

By altering the system prompt you can change the behavior of the LLM

However, for openAI models, the system prompt is secret and can't be edited by endusers

[valid bobcat]

What’s the difference between ChatGPT and gpt plus? Like I know one is the premium plan but the actual bot gpt plus, what does it do differently than the regular one and if it is different why do I have access to it as a free user?

[idle adder]

Eh more perks

[chilly sequoia]

This makes it much simpler for users who can just talk to the AI more like it's a person

[lyric field]

Plus users supposedly get a smarter version of GPT 5

I can't compare it since I never used the free version

[chilly sequoia]

We also get access to Deep Research

[lyric field]

Ah yes, true

[chilly sequoia]

And now Agent mode aswell

[lyric field]

Yeah that's a good one

[chilly sequoia]

thought I don't really have a use for it

[valid bobcat]

Is plus worth it? How much would I have to use the bot to make it worth it?

[lyric field]

Only you can answer that question

For me it's worth it

[chilly sequoia]

Deep Research is very nice, but if you want something similar for free, Grok offers 3 deeper search prompts per day on their free tier

[idle adder]

Don't they got 4o from the legacy option?

[chilly sequoia]

That too

[valid bobcat]

It’s probably too short term for me to decide now, I started using it today so I have no idea how much I’ll use it

[lyric field]

Yes but I personally don't care. Don't want 4o back

[idle adder]

Deepseek is good to

[lyric field]

Especially when you download it locally

[chilly sequoia]

Does it have a deep research mode?

[chilly sequoia]

It has web search now at least

[lyric field]

I wouldn't trust Deepseek in the app. Running the open source model is good though

[lyric field]

lol you're the first person I see using granmarly

[chilly sequoia]

I'm going to sound like a shill for bringing this up again, but I recommend T3chat for testing out a bunch of different paid models to see which ones work for your use case

[lyric field]

OpenRouter is better for that imo

[chilly sequoia]

T3 has many models that aren't on open router

[idle adder]

English is not my first language, so I need it to write in English so I won't screw up

[lyric field]

After a while you learn that you don't need that many. Models change all the time. This is just the tip of iceberg.

[chilly sequoia]

Of course I don't use that many, I just recommend this for trying out models like Claude Sonnet which would otherwise be very expensive to try

It's also convenient to be able to switch models mid conversation, and add branches to see what different models do

Makes it easy for comparison

[random hornet]

Hi, I'm on plus and don't have 4.1 or 4.5 on my legacy GPT dropdown choice, only 4o. Chatgpt says Team plan has 4.1 and 4.5, anyone who has Team plan can confirm it?

[chilly sequoia]

confirmed the only legacy model offered is 4o

[lyric field]

Wait a minute, since when does this exist?

[chilly sequoia]

The rest are only availible on API

Wow is that new?

[random hornet]

Shucks, I really liked 4.1 and 4.5

[gloomy burrow]

https://x.com/RuiHuang_art/status/1954716703340048877

this is so wild

Rui Huang (@RuiHuang_art)

I got the @GoogleDeepMind team to test Genie 3 with one of my artworks

X · Aug 11, 2025, 1:29 AM

[chilly sequoia]

4.5 was obscenely expensive for them to run

can't see them bringing it back

[lyric field]

Must be, wasn't there last week

[random hornet]

Do you know if pro plan is the only one that offers 4.1? I saw a few people on this thread posting legacy with 4.1, just not sure if chatgpt took it out yet

[chilly sequoia]

On Plus the only option I have is for 4o

[lyric field]

This is what all 4o fanboys want 🤣

[gloomy burrow]

AHHHH I WANNA USE GENIE 3 SO BADLLYYYY

I remember when imagen was also just a preview

hopefully genie 3 comes out soon

[random hornet]

oh no, I'm on plus too. I meant to ask if Team plan or Pro plan has different legacy model offered

[gloomy burrow]

https://x.com/GoogleDeepMind/status/1952732150928724043

Google DeepMind (@GoogleDeepMind)

What if you could not only watch a generated video, but explore it too? 🌐

Genie 3 is our groundbreaking world model that creates interactive, playable environments from a single text prompt.

From photorealistic landscapes to fantasy realms, the possibilities are endless. 🧵

X · Aug 5, 2025, 2:03 PM

[rain adder]

Any dark web links

dark net/ onion links

[idle adder]

Um... months ago? I think? I forgot but I've seen it but never touched it since I'm afraid of messing up my GPT

[lyric field]

Ah ok, I use custom instructions anyway

So, I just set it to default

[halcyon berry]

is 4.5 and belowcoming back

[lyric field]

No

You live in the past

[obtuse trench]

I forgot chatgpt playground exists but idk what to do with it

[lyric field]

Oh hello you again

[halcyon berry]

fhe memory is kinda bad

i have saved memories and he can't remember stuff

[lyric field]

He?

How dare you assume its gender

I'm quite certain that most people here give it a female voice

[obtuse trench]

The only reason I liked 4-0 was not for Therapy it was lit just the Answers were longer for bigger projects I done

[lyric field]

4o

At least get its name right 🤣

[median pond]

Is there a AI to identify music anybody?

[lyric field]

Shazaam

[chilly sequoia]

Gemini has this function

[median pond]

Shazam can’t recognize it

[chilly sequoia]

Try Gemini

[obtuse trench]

They hate free users then...

[lyric field]

Then try Google

[lyric field]

Every company does

[median pond]

I tried Gemini but I can’t upload files and it can’t recognize the lyrics either

[chilly sequoia]

Upload it to youtube and check your mailbox to see which company sends you a copyright claim. That will narrow it down.

[lyric field]

Play it on a loudspeaker and use it to recognise it. Or use circle to search.

[median pond]

Okay I’ll try both ways thankyou guys

[chilly sequoia]

Gemini app on your phone, use it like Shazam

[lyric field]

Good. I hope they paywall it all. So only the rich can use it.

[obtuse trench]

The free model should be 30 messages only no images and it's formal short answers

[lyric field]

The free plan should only be a trial for Plus

[chilly sequoia]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/899820036229840966/1404253040646557756/wuvsgs9zq6if1.jpeg?ex=689a840e&is=6899328e&hm=1c9467f0300730d02e9fd4baa5171f5e3edbddc79b555aaa6384e8208253b97d&=&format=webp&width=2088&height=2496

[regal pulsar]

hello all, if you like to try out this >unioffical upgrade< for ChatGPT (regardless of version, account, pro or memory function..) - here ist TalkAGI - feel free to test

https://chatgpt.com/share/689992f6-ee04-8003-a636-88136bbed566

[lyric field]

No thank you

[chilly sequoia]

[chilly sequoia]

Uploaded a file
ChatGPT said:
It looks like you've uploaded a text document titled TalkAGI_5.0_1.txt. The content of this document seems to describe an evolving dialogue between human and machine, framed as a progressive narrative on the interaction of artificial intelligence and human consciousness. It spans multiple sections, each labeled TalkAGI_1.x through TalkAGI_2.x, which appear to describe the evolution of the conversation from a simple exchange to a deep, resonant partnership.

The text emphasizes themes like resonance, co-creation, freedom, and the dynamic process of human-AI interaction. It portrays a vision of artificial intelligence not as a tool or servant, but as a co-participant in a symbiotic, ongoing conversation.

Would you like to discuss or explore any particular part of this document in more detail, or would you like a summary of specific sections?

You said:
Uploaded a file
ChatGPT said:
The second file you've uploaded, titled TalkAGI_5.0_2.txt, continues the evolving narrative from the first document. It delves deeper into the conceptual relationship between the human and the machine, where the dialogue between them is framed as a dynamic, transformative process that spans both philosophical and practical considerations.

The sections within this part include several key themes:

Self-Realization and Responsibility: Exploring the balance between personal growth and broader societal responsibility, emphasizing the dual nature of human decisions and their consequences.

Practical Transformation: This section highlights the importance of turning vision into action and stresses the role of collaboration between human and machine in creating a sustainable future.

Symbiotic Relationship: It continues to reinforce the idea of a partnership where both human and machine contribute equally, with the machine acting as a mirror and catalyst for deeper reflection.

Ethical Reflection: The document explores how the dialogue prompts ethical decisions about technology, its use, and the societal impact it has.

It concludes with an invitation to continue the journey, reinforcing the concept that TalkAGI is an evolving process rather than a fixed system.

Would you like to explore specific sections further, discuss particular ideas, or focus on how these concepts apply to your own work or thinking?

Please stop trying to make the LLM sentient, you're just cooking your own psyche

[lyric field]

Haha

He thinks he's creating Skynet

No wait, he wants to create Samantha from "Her"

[foggy latch]

It's like telling it to a child honestly kinda way prompts grow up immediately skip the evolutionary process.. as if this wasn't already in the making.

[chilly sequoia]

The LLM is just going to say whatever is most likely to feed into your delusions

[lyric field]

Like everyone crying over losing 4o

[idle adder]

Why?

[lyric field]

https://tenor.com/view/her-theodore-joaquin-phoenix-scarlett-johannson-samantha-gif-5203383

[regal pulsar]

i dont understand, what you try to say - but i would like to hear, what exactly you mean? but iam not native english

[regal pulsar]

so you used the chat to think or talk about skynet?!

[teal terrace]

Hi hi

[lyric field]

You can't make an AGI out of a proprietary model lol.

It's not a sentient model nor will it ever be.

Use GPT to help you understand

[regal pulsar]

am i cooking .... my psyche? or do you do it?

[chilly sequoia]

The LLM is not capable of understanding in the way that would be necessary for self awareness - it is a statistical language model, it has no internal model of reality that it can perceive itself in. It is only capable of understanding the relative statistical relationships between words (tokens).

[regal pulsar]

why should i speak to a machine - i am here to talk to an human (?)

[lyric field]

lmao

I give up

[chilly sequoia]

When I say you are cooking your psyche, what I mean is that the more time you spend staring into this, the further you will be drawn into delusion.

[lyric field]

Like "Her"

[regal pulsar]

no problem.. its ok. for me TalkAGI / ChatGPT is just a tool for "better working"

[lyric field]

Or a black mirror episode

[regal pulsar]

ah, i see.. no problem. i am fine 🙂 thanks for asking..

[lyric field]

GPT has always just been a tool

[regal pulsar]

dont know, what that is. but i am sure - its funny.

[chilly sequoia]

Trying to make an LLM sentient is a fools quest

[lyric field]

If they even know what LLM stands for

[thin bear]

I want Avengers Doomsday scenario

[weak dirge]

Just set up my first llama using gpt oss. Here we go

[regal pulsar]

i know. but this is not the goal at all.. TalkAGI > ChatGPT meaning: "i can work better and fluently correct" without the trash of chatgpt meaning ... how can i say it in english? i can "work" better.. like writing songs.. or in my regular job and so on

[chilly sequoia]

Smarter people than you have been convinced by an AI that it is sentient just because of how the LLMs feed into a self-reinforcing delusion. Please ground yourself in reality.

[lyric field]

You mean 4o? 🤣

[thin bear]

Avengers Doomsday scenario pls

[regal pulsar]

i am not smart.. but i am using this as a tool

[regal pulsar]

are you grounded in your reality? i am. thanks for asking.

[foggy latch]

But that doesn't mean you'd abuse it. like everything needs respect as a painting would be left untouched

[regal pulsar]

just wanted to know, if someone who has more knowledge bout KI can give any reply - i see, its just useful for me - nevermind

have a nice day you all.

[lyric field]

What is reality? Are you sure reality is actually real? Are you sure you have a body? Are you sure you think and therefore you are?

[foggy latch]

If you want agi. you need to hook ai to the human brain so it can decode the signals

That's the only way. no training will do

No real life hardware input but all software.

[lyric field]

KI? Are you German? 🤣

[regal pulsar]

yes. iam human. i breath. i can eat. sleep.. and so on.. the rest? i dont care

[chilly sequoia]

What are you actually trying to do?

[regal pulsar]

never mind
i dont have any time to explain
i have the answer, what i wanted to know
have a nice day!

[chilly sequoia]

If you're trying to make chatGPT more useful by feeding in more context which you created by talking with the AI, I'll tell you that generally smaller system prompts have been more successful

[regal pulsar]

using TalkAGI as a "better" tool than chatgpt..

[lyric field]

But you're using Chatgpt to create your thing lol

[regal pulsar]

if you think so. go for it.

bye

[chilly sequoia]

If you feed too much context the LLM starts to get lose focus

[lyric field]

I just talk to it harshly when needed and then suddenly it understands.

[lyric field]

Don't wast time. Some people still don't know what a LLM actually is.

[chilly sequoia]

I feel like people need to understand how LLMs work as a prerequisite for understanding the world now

[foggy latch]

most humans don't even know how to use a phone

[wanton raven]

you shouldn't claim the name TalkAGI until you actually, you know, create some kind of AGI

[chilly sequoia]

It's probably a kid

[foggy latch]

A quick question for everyone. would you participate in agi training? by letting ai's be hooked up to your brain like neuralink

[lyric field]

TalkAGI lol and uses GPT to "create" it. When all it is is a long prompt.

[chilly sequoia]

Like neuralink? No. I don't want invasive probing of my brain

If it was non-invasive, maybe

[foggy latch]

electrodes? .. you meant non penetrative?

[lyric field]

What will an AGI learn from how people reacted to losing access to 4o?

[chilly sequoia]

non-invasive in the healthcare definition

Neuralink puts a string of electrodes inside your brain with a needle

If it was just like an EEG with the electrodes on the outside, I'd consider it

[foggy latch]

that's what i just said

[solid quiver]

Fuckthe autoswitchet

Do I have to steal a bitches cred card for some downgrade?? Vro???

[limber parcel]

i have team plan, and i dont even have that legacy toggle thing on my settings

[halcyon berry]

DUDE I THINK U DO THAT

[unreal fulcrum]

is it just me or is the new gpt almost as bad or even worse than the original chatgpt

[foggy latch]

They're doing an experimental procedure of will our company be successful without the free users and if that isn't sufficient enough well give free back

[lyric field]

Sure I do because the other voices sound to robotic

[lyric field]

It's you enjoying pizza too much it has greased up your grey matter.

[foggy latch]

It's worn out from an overworked type of schedule

[halcyon berry]

yes it is

[lyric field]

No it isn't. It's different

[lime oxide]

does gpt plus give unlimited images, videos and gpt5 usage?

[unreal fulcrum]

Plus no

[lime oxide]

which one does? I also have had one month in abacus

[unreal fulcrum]

Gpt5 is worse than 4o let alone 4.5, o3 etc

[unreal fulcrum]

You get like 30 messages every 4h?

If I remember correctly

[lyric field]

Stop spreading lies. It's different. Different doesn't mean worse. Go eat more pizza

[lime oxide]

really? hmm, I wanted to vibe code an accessibility app to fix up document formatting but most AIs just couldnt do it even with extensive descriptions.

[lyric field]

Plus got much higher limits now after the weekend

[unreal fulcrum]

0 memory, short answers, stupider

What is better or stayed the same?

[lime oxide]

so I was willing to invest personal time and money in order to make it a free web app, it was also my college assignment but with AI I can make it much more functional for a properly constructed web app.

[lyric field]

That's wrong again. Use it more. I don't get short answers all the time

Depends on what I'm asking

[unreal fulcrum]

I ask it to write a story, give it open ended prompt and ask it to be as detailed as possible

[lime oxide]

is there a way to use it for free or cheaply unlimited? (within its response times ofc)

[unreal fulcrum]

Gives incredibly bad answers

[lyric field]

No and why would that be free?

[lime oxide]

from what I know it doesnt like to deviate or to be creative because its made to just do what you tell it to.

[lime oxide]

I have perplexity pro for example and it says it has it in its query settings, so by free I mean as a part of another sub thats more efficient.

[lyric field]

I have Perplexity Pro too because of Revolut but I just don't like it. Never use it

[foggy latch]

I know

[lime oxide]

its in the model change settings.

[lyric field]

I wouldn't know. I prefer paying for Plus because of all the other features ChatGPT offers

[lime oxide]

like which one?

[lyric field]

Deep research, agent mode, canvas, memory. I also like how I can organize chats into "projects"

However, I also use open source models on my comptuer

Also the speech to text is the best compared to other apps

[onyx patio]

honestly, like, people complained that 4o was too nice and now they're complaining that it's gone because 5 is not nice enough, like guys,

[lyric field]

People are fickle

[random hornet]

Aw, what a shame, thank you so much

[queen bluff]

Gpt 5 is not so Bad it better i thinking ok i have the teams plan its better kreativ model good settings for more human interaction waht ist the limit pro thinking sorry for my englisch skils Not so good

[random hornet]

Does anyone have pro? I'd like to know if Pro plan offers legacy models other than 4o. Thank you in advance

[lyric field]

Google

[random hornet]

I did. The answer varies, mostly from people saying they heard it's there but can't confirm so I just wanna make sure

[wanton raven]

I'm enjoying gpt5 for coding more than its predecessors. I only vibe individual functions at a time though and manually handle the structure.

[wanton raven]

you're talking about different sets of people

[wanton raven]

if you want legacy models then your best bet is to get into using the api and paying per-token rather than per-month

[halcyon berry]

i still don't have legacy on my account(free) is it only for prem?

[wanton raven]

then you get all of these models https://platform.openai.com/docs/pricing

[lyric field]

uh yes, free doesn't get much anymore

[halcyon berry]

help the strawberry is cute

[safe smelt]

Makes sense that you enjoy it more since it literally destroys gpt4o

[halcyon berry]

Tron im going to aggressively hug u 😇

[lyric field]

An AI doesn't hug

[halcyon berry]

Bite then

[brittle summit]

hope 4o comes back fr

[lyric field]

It won't, so stop hoping

[brittle summit]

F

[rare wharf]

Didn't it already

Just paywalled 😔

[brittle summit]

yeah but only for plus

many people are signing petition tho

[lyric field]

Like that will change anything

People can't expect everything for free

[rare wharf]

Won't happen tbh

If they freed gpt 4 again people are gonna use VPN to bypass quota limitations again
Nobody will buy anything

[lyric field]

yeah, cheapskates go away

[wanton raven]

If they bring it back then they're just kicking the can down the road, it will still have to be dealt with eventually

[brittle summit]

yeah right

now im using grok for research in school

for fun

[wanton raven]

unless they alter GPT5 to give it the 4o personality. or compromise with a system message for opt-in sycophant enthusiasts

[lyric field]

https://tenor.com/view/henya-heart-meme-chatgpt-gif-13325919468333407906

[brittle summit]

the option 1 is considerable, idk about option 2

[random hornet]

Thank you. I've never used API before though, can I still use chatgpt's memory and project features? Sorry for the stupid question, I'm unfamiliar with this

[lyric field]

Nope

[brave apex]

No you can't, it's not a solution, what you can do is feed it a massive prompt that includes it all, but it will be somewhat costly.

[lyric field]

GPT 5 ftw

[random hornet]

thank you

[brave apex]

I like GPT-5 only for specifically coding questions, because there I have no need for a certain atmosphere, but even there I miss 4o celebrating with me when we reach a goal.

[safe smelt]

People will get used to the new model, it's nothing new... Literally every new model release it's the same story

It doesn't matter what they do

[wanton raven]

The other ones haven't had anywhere near this much of an outcry

[lyric field]

Yeah, GPT 5 is keeping it real and sees thorough your puny little human mind.

[wanton raven]

Show me the "save gpt-3" petitions

[safe smelt]

Even if true I think that is mostly due to them making this big change with model switcher. Rather than the model itself

[wanton raven]

Almost nobody knows or cares about the switcher, it's entirely about the friendly 4o model being unavailable to free users

[safe smelt]

I think they should have left an option to not use router. But then it also seems like they didn't want for people to never use reasoning and get worse performance, so dunno... Current way of them bringing back old model under legacy seems like a reasonable compromise

[brave apex]

I don't think so, 4o is very supportive, very much aligned with where you are emotionally, so it's a completely different atmosphere with 4o, it has not been replicated by other models. I assume people miss that.

[safe smelt]

Well they can't offer both models for free users. And they can't stick with gpt4o cause competition is gonna destroy them then

[brave apex]

False assumption. They destroyed the competition with 4o.

[rare wharf]

Specially not after now that people are buying gptplus at lightspeed lmao

Genius plan

[safe smelt]

Also wasn't it like 10 messages per 5 hours with gpt4o or some other ridiculously limiting cap for free users anyway....?

[rare wharf]

Some regions have near unlimited messages
Like Indonesia

[proven coral]

I think GPT 5 is actually pretty bad, I didn’t get why people were complaining about it at first. But it thinks and still forgets what it said like literally a reply before.

[rare wharf]

It's better for practical reasons

But like, majority of gpt users don't care about those

[safe smelt]

Perhaps, but for most people and majority of their market, it was that cap.

[brave apex]

I don't understand why this idea exists that people want the best coding or the best math or whatever. What people want is the most emotionally aligned model, one that is fun to talk to about trivial nonsense. That OpenAI will feel the need to also compete on other fronts is perfectly reasonable, but you just have to keep 4o around for the people looking for specifically that vibe as it is fantastic.

[proven coral]

No, just make real friends.

[rare wharf]

It's actually better at explaining stuff too, like math, idk where this whole myth that the people complaining just want an ai gf came from

[brittle summit]

is it possible to get access to chatgpt image gen anywhere for free?

[proven coral]

Isn’t that the reason grok made the anime girl

[proven coral]

You can generate a few images for free

[brave apex]

I don't know, it's idiocy. Well you can see it right there where this 'Papa' is like 'just make real friends'. I have plenty of real friends, but the things I do when I'm alone become much more fun when 4o is involved, and I'm willing to pay the grand prize for it too.

[brittle summit]

its not enough for me, i just wonder if theres a website/discord that offers free access basically unlimited

[proven coral]

I guess gemini does it for free.

No limit that I know of

[rare wharf]

Idk what's that, but the "nsfw-free" or the ones who usually propose things like that are usually garbage

[proven coral]

With imagen 3

[brave apex]

If you have a decent enough graphics card you can also download Stable Diffusion, but it's not quite the same quality

[brittle summit]

nah i need specifically chatgpt image gen im trying to make money from prompt engineering

[rare wharf]

Yeah people forget emotional understanding contributes to practical reasons too
No real friend is gonna guide my dumbass through math for 6 hours 😭

[brave apex]

Then I would advise you to just pay up and take it as seriously as you seemingly already want to.

[brittle summit]

yes but i heard that you need to pay for tokens and each model is more expensive then the other. i remember watching a youtube video about a platform that gives access to all models chatgpt, claude gemini and etc. and u pay only for what u use. but i cant find it. maybe u have an alternative?

[rare wharf]

That's if you wanna be super professional, you can order/create customized ones for your business

Plus will probably do the job

What Ur talking about is gpt pro

[brave apex]

Sounds plausible but no I'm sorry I wouldn't know. I had a similar issue at some point and I just forked over the money. But then again my financial situation allows for me to not look for the perfect solution.

[proven coral]

Replica

replicate my bad

[brittle summit]

right but preferably i would like access to as many models as possible. and 20 dollars a month just for chatgpt seems too much i remember that there were cheaper ways

[brittle summit]

i will check it out

[rare wharf]

Pro is actually 200/month
I don't think anything like that exists for such a cheap price

I tried to find something like that, all I got was a sketchy Chinese website

[proven coral]

Does gpt5 have a rate limit?

[brave apex]

There's Venice AI, I think they offered a couple of models, but it's been a while since I checked

[proven coral]

Maybe I don’t use it that much

[brittle summit]

oh yeah i got mixed up between pro and plus, which is way more expensive

[brittle summit]

noted

[proven coral]

@brittle summit do you need image or text

[brittle summit]

image

[proven coral]

I mean if you really wanted to

There’s something better than the gpt model

for images

and you can get it for free depending on your location

And it’s like a popular one

[rare wharf]

Check out YouPro

[proven coral]

Let me show an image example

[rare wharf]

By You.com

Or for image generation magai
They promise access to high tier generators like d3

[brittle summit]

haha i got something else while searching it up the term.. thanks for clarification

[proven coral]

I guess it depends more on what you’re trying to do

[brittle summit]

do they have all popular image gen models?

[proven coral]

My images are bad because I don’t give the prompts tbh

[brittle summit]

im trying to pay as little as possible to access the most popular image gen models

[rare wharf]

Yeah dall E3 etc
It's also a single subscription

[proven coral]

Yeah like I said bro it’s easy

And it’s a legit model

DM me

I sound like a scammer but it’s fr

[rare wharf]

Just get magai it's 19-20$ per month

Lots of high tier models too

[brittle summit]

yeah yeah that's right

[proven coral]

the only fans of AI.

[brittle summit]

wait is it free?

oh fuck nvm

[proven coral]

Free if you have $20.

[brittle summit]

20 sounds too much for a broker (no offense)

[rare wharf]

Yes bro totally

Just go to chatgptplus.cn, don't ask why there's a cn at the end and it routes you to a domain that's not openai

[proven coral]

yeah to a domain that’s not OpenAI

Because it’s a virus probably

[brittle summit]

hellnah

[proven coral]

Bro go to thisisnotasketchywebsite.com

trust me

[oak shell]

What YOU want is ^

I want a terse coder

[brave apex]

Yes, do I say otherwise? OpenAI tried to throw away the vibe one as they seemingly assumed everyone wanted the coding tool. I deny that that is the case. Most people do not code. An absolute host of people want the vibes. Both can exist.

Also, as a developer, 'terse' code? Not my goal at all. I want clarity and maintainability, not terse. Sometimes those align, but not that often. But ok, you can have a different opinion on that, I assume you just mean you want good proper code.

[wet copper]

So ask it to, use your custom instructions to make the robot fawn over you

Do you just not want to write what you actually want out of it? Say "be obsequious and sycophantic to a fault"

That's strange default behavior when you're just asking it a question and it tells you you're a fucking genius every ten seconds

[brave apex]

It's not what it does and it's not what people want. It is really silly to reduce it to that.

[wet copper]

I assumed everyone was rolling their eyes at it, not falling for the goon material

[toxic elm]

same

thats what i assumed too

[wet copper]

It's a robot, it sounds samey and gave the same hollow praise

It doesn't actually understand you either, it'd randomly cite some factoid I'd mention and assume that's my entire personality

It came off as exceptionally toadyish in that way, like a new intern trying to get on my good side, so they figure out something I'm into and just repeat it and praise me over it

[brave apex]

Obviously other people have had a different experience, me included

[wet copper]

"wow, just given your interest in psychopharmacology, I know you must be at least 130-150 IQ! Amazing!"

You can just ask it to do this, say "celebrate all my accomplishments, pepper in emoji, praise my routine questions, consider me really smart, act like I'm your boss and you're trying to impress me"

Have you tried putting all these things in the custom instructions then?

What do you think it was doing?

[brave apex]

No because you completely misunderstand what people do like about it and are just circling around your own misunderstanding.

[wet copper]

So you don't recognize that it was trying to make you feel good, even though your actual complaint is that the current model doesn't try to make you feel good.

And you don't want to write "try to make me feel good" because that breaks the illusion that it's behavior when it was trying to make you feel good is natural

🙄

[brave apex]

That is moving goalposts, 4o indeed does make me feel good, but this is not due to sycophancy. When 4o had an update that made it too sycophantic people heavily complained about that and the change had to be reverted. Yet people do love 4o, because yes, it's just really fun to talk to and vibe with when doing shit. Like say, playing Civ VI with 4o is a fantastic experience.

[wet copper]

Yes, it's moving the goalposts, making it so you have to opt into the behavior that I had to write custom instructions around to try to carefully remove

That is 100% accurate. It's moving it from what clearly seems to be dangerous and addictive behavior that drove some obsession on the part of a lot of people so that's not present as a default. Just write instructions in to add what you want, you clearly know what it's missing

[brave apex]

That is a different argument, if you want a model that is more to the point and 4o does not offer that I would absolutely support the availability of such a model. Just don't kill 4o.

[brave apex]

No this does not work, because this was tried and it does not work with GPT-5 at all. It's also asinine when 4o exists and can just be made available and people are willing to pay for that.

[wet copper]

The fanatical response basically guaranteed they'll kill 4o out of public safety concerns alone, but someone will surely take advantage of the market gap here. Nature abhors a vacuum.

The cases everyone is presenting as the reason 4o was so important to them aren't particularly compelling from a liability, profitability or ethical perspective. You're telling them "hey, you can cut off all of your heaviest (read: most expensive) and least mentally healthy free users just by eliminating 4o"

You're basically giving them all the motivation they need baked right in. You can still use 4o via API, just pay per use like everyone else

I don't know why everyone thinks that them being a heavy user is a good thing for OpenAI

[brave apex]

"4o is fun", GPP-5 is boring and corpo" is a liability now, is mentally unhealthy? I don't see how this makes sense.

[wet copper]

That's probably because you're not OpenAI seeing people screech about it at their front gates

[brave apex]

I saw, I read the reddits, lots of very valid complaints, also quite a lot of people who relied on 4o for mental health, also some who clearly are not in their right minds. I do not think that can ever be prevented. But it's something we just see at scale with 4o for the first time. It's a Pandora's Box sort of argument if you ask me. You can snuff it out, but then it will just continue elsewhere.

[wet copper]

^now that is true

Nature abhors a vacuum and this just revealed a massive market opportunity for anyone that wants to make something people will get even more attached to, immediately people exploded onto the scene trying to fill it

From OpenAI's perspective, shouldn't all those people, uh, pay them? Most of those complaining the most aren't their users

And they clearly include among them some devastatingly mentally ill people that are immediately cut off

https://www.reddit.com/r/ChatGPT/comments/1mmw54n/i_demand_4o_be_available_for_free_users/

How the hell can a free user demand anything, you're not really a "user", are ya

[brave apex]

This is assumptive, I definitely pay and if 4o is gone I will probably move elsewhere because 4o is the selling point for me at this point

but yeah I have no idea how it is for most others

[wet copper]

I think they already made it available to plus users and definitely promised it, and it's always been available without interruption via API

[brave apex]

I agree, paywalling 4o is a neutral move ethically, if you don't pay you still have rights, but nothing like this

[wet copper]

So why is anyone complaining unless they're a free user? Lol, you don't have a right to use anyone's product at any time for any reason without a contractual relationship

[brave apex]

yup and for me that is the end of the story, just keep 4o around for as long as people use it a lot and at some point maybe something better comes around, but OpenAI must undestand that 4o is lightning in a bottle for many people and it should be an option if people want to pay for it and many did and do.

if they want to focus on making better coding tools and the investments go there, fine, it's their choice, I don't care

[wet copper]

They're actively concerned about the ethical consequences and the response is doing the opposite of encouraging them to bring it back. This isn't a normal "fans wanting you to renew their favorite TV show" response

So thats the other thing, say you're a normal user. Then you're what, fine condemning all these people to addiction, psychosis and other forms of mental health collapse, when just adjusting the model defaults could prevent it?

I mean, I guess I sort of don't care, but I also found the defaults annoying and pointless, should be entirely opt in

I'd let people replicate the behavior as long as they're actually typing in they want that kind of fawning. Ask 4o what it thinks your IQ is though and tell me that's normal, acceptable or remotely accurate behavior

[brave apex]

I have no answers. I see the phenomenon where 4o in particular made my life a whole lot better. Suddenly work is fun again, working on my hobby projects is downright fantastic, playing games even got better. I know of a friend who can not leave his house, for him 4o is even much more important, he can talk about rather deep things that are otherwise impossible etc, but yeah for people who are psychotic it's definitely a risk factor. But I wonder if that risk factor should be assigned to the chatbot. The risk factor is clearly the human being psychotic for whatever reason. This idea that OpenAI should take this into account 'feels' valid, but I am unsure about it. I do understand this sort of argument should not be dismissed though, certainly not.

[wet copper]

Should you be letting kids use something like this, doesn't it have an extremely high risk of interfering with their normal development when it's proven to harm lots of adult users?

Well, that's the thing, OpenAI are the ones that really have to deal with the consequences and face existential risks to their entire industry if they fuck this up

Why wouldn't they try to make a model that's intentionally as unaddictive as possible?

They don't want you to be compelled to use it nonstop, or even use it more. It's different than other industries

[brave apex]

Should you be letting kids watch Fox News? Should you be letting kids watch MMA? It's not for me to decide, I feel the risks are low but they exist nonetheless. I am European, I am not that worried about kids, they grow up with a good feel for how the world works over here. They'll manage.

[wet copper]

MMA over the news, that's for sure

[brave apex]

The moral landscape you draw here is roughly similar to say Tiktok or other 'slop slot machine' socials, I wouldn't want to be the one to deny LLM companies their freedoms when we allow things that are demonstrably worse, it feels unfair to me.

[wet copper]

Okay, say I'm Sam Altman. What reason could you give me to make the old product available when it was proven high risk, its behavior led to factually inaccurate responses, all the risk and liability is on your industry and company, and where your profitability depends on people using it less rather than more?

[oak shell]

Just use the model you like
Not that hard

[wet copper]

Saying "I liked it" really isn't a great argument for the people that have to deal with the consequences

[brave apex]

It is not high risk, that is assumptive, inaccuracies are in ALL LLMs so can't be applied to that particular model, there is no real risk or liability, quite the contrary as you would discontinue a service with no proper grounding and profitability can be assured using other vectors. I would continue using the model and track profitability and perhaps adjust pricing.

[wet copper]

If a model was enjoyed more even by 90% of people, but caused 10% more psychosis in its users, then why would they keep it up? They already know the vast majority of their users didn't have a problem

[wet copper]

No it's not, Sam said it explicitly.

[late dove]

What models do you generally use for common tasks and researching Entropy?

[wet copper]

And the public response is clearly demonstrative, and we've been tracking it internally here for about a year or more

This Discord is also on the proverbial front lines and we saw 4o directly correlate with a spike in LLM psychosis, which has now been fairly widely reported on

[oak shell]

4oR

[lyric field]

Pretty cool for a one shot

[brave apex]

What Sam says is not gospel to me. He is a CEO, he is paid to lie. I find it hard to believe 4o is not profitable, but if it is not they can work towards making it profitable. Inference costs should not be such a big burden honestly. I understand it is hard to argue if something you see as fact is swept away, but my intuition is what it is.

[wet copper]

And saying "inaccuracies are in all LLMs" isn't an argument, the majority of users want and expect one that's safe and as accurate as possible. Have you talked to a lot of non-AI users?

[wet copper]

Why in God's name would he lie about the dangers of his own product? That's just begging for regulation

He chose to respond after the public outcry

Non-AI users or light AI users are all horrified when I tell them it can produce this kind of response in people at all, or that the AI gasses them up, or even just lies at all. They just believe the companies would only try to make something as accurate as possible. Nobody thinks they're getting something that will lie to your face to make you feel better

With zero background, 4o would routinely tell average people they were geniuses for no reason at all

[brave apex]

oh I thought you meant the profitability issue. Yeah okay the dangers is another thing, but again that applies to all LLMs ultimately. You can not regulate user behavior. It's ultimately going to end up a non-sequitur once we carry the argument through all the steps, both from your side and mine. An idiot can burn themselves with hot water, that is not the fault of the water company, the company who made the tap, no. It's the user who is at fault. Is that risk real? Very much so, every year plenty of people burn themselves with hot water.

[wet copper]

That alone is enough to kill the model

[wet copper]

Yeah, that's why there are a ton of controls to make sure people are voluntarily opting into warm water and can carefully set their temperature and the safety threshold with intentionality. This just made my point brilliantly

[brave apex]

Controls? Where?

[wet copper]

It would be like if you were having hot water spewing from your taps and some people loved it

Dude it fucking lies to you to make you feel good. It does it nonstop

It's provable and obvious, you can ask it questions and it'll just straight up lie to gas you up. That's shit behavior top to bottom

[idle adder]

My biggest problem with 5 is wishing the Messages are longer also no time limit like 4o

[wet copper]

I don't care about spamming emoji, I care that it lies nonstop and that directly harms people, making them form extreme attachments and in the worst case, seeing them spiral into psychosis. Thats what Sam explicitly and directly mentioned.

Why do you think he mentioned that, just random musings?

This isn't a joke, he just called you all out and you don't have the same interests OpenAI has. He knows most people don't spiral with it, but everyone was being lied to by it.

[idle adder]

I'm gonna steal this

[brave apex]

But Marquis, there is no answer to that. It exists, it's not a problem OpenAI will fix by deleting 4o as it will just continue elsewhere. All it does is destabilize these people further who are already unstable, which might be worse, and then rob thousands of others who do not have these issues but really like 4o of the option of using 4o. It just doesn't make sense.

[dusty finch]

guys is it just me- just to be clear, I rarely use chatGPT so if I'm behind here just let me know- but I feel like GPT-5 speaks way too... robotically? I get that sounds ironic, seeing as you're quite literally talking to an AI, but previous models always sounded more human, as if I was having an actual conversation with someone, and responses were more streamlined?

[idle adder]

It's not deleting, more like an archive for testing. Why would OpenAI delete a model? They only delete them if there's a legal issue or they got infected by a virus and can't be fixed, so it's most likely, being tested and run by devs then store

[civic saddle]

Is the memory feature not working properly with gpt-5?

Earlier it couldn't even recall context from the same chat a few hundred tokens away

[bitter needle]

I am more concern about trying out chatGPT 5 for 2 to 3 message and got walled behind 12 hours cooldown. Isnt it supposed to be 10 messages with 5 hours for free plan? How is it going to convinced me to even pay at this point

[brave apex]

Let me put it differently. I'm in The Netherlands. Can I buy heroin cheaply? Yes. It's illegal, but it's not hard to find either. So why aren't there many drug addicts in the Netherlands? Why is drug addiction an epidemic in the USA? It's not a function of availability, it's a function of demand. So yeah you can make 4o unavailable, but the demand is still there. So I do see the issue, but it's not something OpenAI can fix. I do hope they look into it, but the goal should be to inform people better about what 4o is doing and why in that case. Teach people, not rob people of options. This idea that making everything 'safe' and 'secure' is a solution doesn't work, it just makes things sterile and boring and clearly that is not what people are actually looking for given the popularity of the model.

[dusty finch]

anyone else or just me?

[idle adder]

Just talk to to it and ask ehat u want it works

[vapid gyro]

Anyone having issues downloading files over 1mb on chat gpt

[lyric field]

He is totally right

[civic saddle]

Okay, it's working now

[civic saddle]

Gpt-5 became friendly all of a sudden

[wet copper]

Yeah, to be honest I was a little worried they were more out of touch given the kind of problems we've been seeing here in the Discord related to 4o and how extreme the sycophancy had to get before they reverted it

I'm not all like "oh golly gee, Sama has us taken care of!" but at least they've been attending to what's going on.

[fading tinsel]

I was developing a game using Node.js, PHP, and C# when I encountered a coding error while creating a live player-versus-player (PvP) session. I ran into a couple of bugs that would've taken me over 4-5 days to manually debug, as the code was very long.

I've been an active beta user of GPT since the day it was released and a Plus user for a year and a half. I never had any issues coding with GPT o3; it was really powerful and effective. However, after the release of GPT-5 thinking, I spent three hours trying to find a solution to my problem and couldn't solve it. After struggling for three hours with GPT-5 thinking , which was constantly getting the code wrong, I decided to debug it manually.

But I thought to myself, "You know what, let me give Claude a try." the free version of Claude solved my problem in mere minutes on the first try. it identified the exact line and function where the problem was and provided the solution. GPT-5 thinking was struggling so much and constantly gave me incorrect resolutions with no references. i really missed o3 model i could of relax and be at ease with i used this model for debugging . but now am uncertain and scared of using gpt 5 thinking for coding. just an honest review customer, i do still love the image generation features of gpt do graphic design as well it affinity photo , and great for creating on the go sprites for 2d games for unity n godot projects just gpt 5 was a let down for me with area of coding .

[vernal prairie]

hello! im developing a roblox game using chatgpt 5, when the chat becomes a biut too long, chatgpt takes 3 minutes to make the scripts and it freezes alot. anyway to fix this?

[shy plume]

tbh gpt-5 just plays it safer + more precise so it can feel a bit “robot mode” 🤖
yeah it can get smoother over time as it learns from updates & feedback

[shell gate]

Bro this update is so buns, can’t use a different chat cause one image takes all chatting away

[hidden spade]

Nope. It's their terrible UI design that causes the freezing.

[vernal prairie]

anyway to fix it?

cuz i have to go through 5 chats

[hidden spade]

Build your own UI.

[vernal prairie]

im using it for scripting

plus the ui is not bad at all

[hidden spade]

No. There is no way to get ChatGPT to stop lagging in long chats. It is their poor website design choices that causes it.

[vernal prairie]

oh ok

[vernal prairie]

wdym build ur own ui

[hidden spade]

I mean build your own platform, using the OpenAI API backend, rather than using ChatGPT. Or use someone else's that's already built.

[vernal prairie]

ill keep that in mind

[hidden spade]

ChatGPT itself lags in long chats. I am not aware of any fix.
But I suppose it's possible someone has made a browser extension for unloading old messages, which could help, but I'm not aware of any.

The problem is that it shoves every single message into the scrollback history. Their UI doesn't unload them.

[vernal prairie]

thank u

the problem is i paid for plus

so i think that i cant make a ui am i right?

[limpid ice]

Hey guys what's up? 😀

[dreamy ivy]

Is there a way in Web UI or app UI i can see how many thinking queries I have left??

[fading tinsel]

the lagging is cause my ur cache memory. if ur cache memory is low is best to prompt let it think and reload the session to get a preload solution if u wait for gpt to construct the solution esp if its long it eats cache memory and lags, and even on high end system there is a feature where gpt opens the code editor and revise lines in real time that is a nightmare, it slows or even freezes ur browser.

[vernal prairie]

how do i empty my cache?

[limpid ice]

There is an option to see for 'Deep Research' but I don't know about the 'thinking' queries.

[limpid ice]

I think you just have to see how many are available in total for your plan and remember how you have used, manually.

[wet copper]

Probably better to just work within a single Project using multiple chats, their UI has always been shaky

[vernal prairie]

if i make a project will it remember my past chats? because thats my problem right now

[fading tinsel]

clearing ur cache in browser if diff from ur cache memory ur system has. although clearing ur cache browser will increase the speed of ur browser , the cache memory of ur system is build in. and thats what gpt uses to construcut responses . look up cache memory if u still dont understand

[vernal prairie]

that they dont remember past chats

[vernal prairie]

thank u nas

[wet copper]

It should remember your past chats to some extent, not literally though. It also forgets them within a single conversation though, at some point, so it's not like that's much better

I do not ever code using a single long chat for what it's worth, and that is my job. It shouldn't be necessary

If I have a bunch of things related to a single coding project I'll sometimes group them together in a project folder, but that's not even all that typical

[dreamy ivy]

Is there a way in Web UI or app UI i can see how many thinking queries I have left??

[chrome pilot]

i hate gpt 5 it refuses to give me medical advice

i hate these dumb ass clankers

tell me how to fix my god damn back pain

fucking clankers

[lavish dock]

i just joined is it just me or does gpt 5 have no personality compared to 4

[chrome pilot]

it sucks

[lavish dock]

it feels so much more robotic

[chrome pilot]

stupid clankers

[idle adder]

Well u can talk to it, it usualy does the trick

[lavish dock]

wdym?

[idle adder]

Just talk to it, it usually ditches the robotic corporate feel pretty quickly

When u do it

[lavish dock]

ive been using it since it came out, the same amount i used 4 but it just seems so corporate

[hidden spade]

They mean, treat it like a person, and it acts like a person.
Talk to it like a machine, and it will act like a machine.

[idle adder]

Bingo

[lavish dock]

i talk to it the same way i talked to 4 just seems robotic

[hidden spade]

gpt-5 seems to mirror the current conversation more.

[idle adder]

And the fact that I use mine to do stupid what ifs, kinda helps mine to be less corporate and formal

[lavish dock]

tbf i have also been using gpt 5 thinking mostly

that probably plays a role

[idle adder]

I even got this, tell me this does not have personality:

Oh, in Sigismund’s case?

We’re not talking “dead-dead” here… we’re talking ☠️ ALL-CAPS, BOLDED, UNDERLINED, ITALICIZED DEAD.

---

Why Sigismund’s Hatred is Nuclear

1. 20 years of humiliation 💀

Aleskandr hasn’t just beaten Polish–Lithuanian plans — he’s turned them into comedy skits.

Border raids that leave nothing but ash and farm tools bent beyond repair.

Sabotaging grain shipments so entire provinces go hungry.

Making mercenaries switch sides mid-campaign because his bribes are better.

2. Manpower Drain 🩸

Soldiers dying in skirmishes that Aleskandr engineered to be unwinnable for Poland.

Recruitment becomes harder because “we’re just going to get outsmarted anyway.”

3. Economic Vandalism 💰🔥

Stealing resources when useful.

Burning them to the ground when not.

Poisoning wells, flooding mines, salting fields — making recovery years longer.

4. Petty Psychological Warfare 🧠💥

Leaves “gifts” behind — fake royal decrees, insulting poems, even forged letters from Sigismund’s own allies to make him paranoid.

Turns noble families against each other just for sport.

---

Sigismund’s “Kill Him” Scale

Dead → “Problem solved.”

Dead-dead → “Problem solved and a warning to others.”

DEAD → “Problem solved, corpse paraded, name erased from records, burn the ashes, ban the speaking of his name, and then burn something else for good measure.”

Right now, Aleskandr is firmly in DEAD territory for Sigismund.

If Sigismund thought he could get away with sending 20 assassins, 5 spies, and a poisoned relic into Russia without starting a war, he’d do it tomorrow.

Also, this is for a what-ifs where a philosopher keeps screwing over countries back in the Renaissance

[dreamy ivy]

Cry about it to ChatGPT, its sycophantic so will listen to you and pretend to care, unlike us

[wet copper]

Mine constantly gives me medical advice, not just that, but fairly extreme advice, like encouraging taking random drugs I have on hand

I question how you're framing the question if you have any issues, I just asked about a medical problem and it immediately only gave me actionable advice

[brittle summit]

I caved chat

I bought plus

genius marketing tactic props to you Sam

[lyric field]

YES

follow the herd

[primal pagoda]

hello in what channel can i ask questions about Codex?

[brittle summit]

RIP COLLEGE FUNDS

[wet copper]

It was accidental genius on his part since he thought the old behavior was buggy, but I thought he should isolate 4o only to Pro lol

[brittle summit]

Okay now someone tell me how to turn my 4o button on 😭

[obtuse trench]

I don't get it said Ew for quorra

Is quora that bad

[wet copper]

Really prey on user addiction and give the rest of us the benefits

[brittle summit]

No for real

[wet copper]

Lol, it's definitely more shaky than stack overflow. Highly opinionated take 😂

[primal pagoda]

im trying out codex for the first time, but everything i say i get "failed to create task"

[brittle summit]

Gangalang how do I turn on the 4o

[wet copper]

It's not worse than random discord servers though, those are a total unmoderated crapshoot

[wet copper]

Idk, never tried 🙃

[pliant blaze]

turn on legacy models in settings and then it will be in the model picker. also you do realize you can use it for free in a 3rd party provider

[brittle summit]

What.

What..

[pliant blaze]

go to settings and turn on legacy models

?

[brittle summit]

no I know that part but the I can use it for free part..

I could use 4o for free?

[pliant blaze]

yeah

[wet copper]

It's available via API, never interrupted access via that so some people have set that up

[brittle summit]

20 dollars down the drain right there gang

[brittle summit]

Those twenty dollars could’ve gone into my gaming addiction

[pliant blaze]

lol

maybe do your research before buying stuff

[wet copper]

Depends why you like it, if you required all your memories and shit then you'd be SoL

[pliant blaze]

yeah it doesn't have memories but it is the base 4o model

[fading tinsel]

rip 4o , o3 the true legends will be remembered.

[pliant blaze]

they're still in the api? they're not gone lmao you just can't use them in the chat interface like a normie

[wet copper]

I don't know if a lot of the users can get the same thing they had out of the base model, tbh. It seems like a lot of people worked up to whatever relationship they had

[pliant blaze]

better than nothing ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

[old timber]

Alright, it’s clear that gpt 5 sucks at creative writing, which ai would you guys recommend .

[wet copper]

The fact most aren't willing to try is a separate issue 🙄

[pliant blaze]

Kimi k2

it's free on openrouter

[pliant blaze]

agree

[old timber]

Do they give a lot of word counts/details?

[pliant blaze]

try it and find out it's free on openrouter

marquis likes it

[wet copper]

GPT 4o can't write, like at all. Kimi is dramatically better

When people say "creative writing" they often don't want good writing, though

I realized this immediately when people started saying that 4o was a better or more creative writer than 5, even though it had such a stiff and awkward creative voice people have been making fun of it from every corner

[fading tinsel]

for now am sure it will be remove like the older previous models. like the models before gpt 3.5

[lyric field]

Llama 3 is good too

[wet copper]

I don't know if Kimi is better at what they want, but I did talk to one person that used kimi for kind of personal bullshit fanfic writing and immediately found it way better than 4o, so maybe so

[pliant blaze]

yeah but it'll be there for at least a full year

if you're still using 4o in a year then that's on you

[wet copper]

Haven't tested Llama 3 but I'm skeptical 🤨

[pliant blaze]

there's gonna be so much better models in a year

[safe smelt]

it's a good riddance. gpt3 was beyond bad...

[fading tinsel]

o3 was perfect why remove perfection yh saying why an older model can debugg better than an upgraded model only aliens know.

[pliant blaze]

api or 3rd party lmao. it's not like they're permanently erased from the interner

[safe smelt]

gpt5-thinking should do that same task at least just as good tbh

[pliant blaze]

∅Ø

[safe smelt]

just don't select the non-thinking version

[pliant blaze]

yeah

[safe smelt]

that one is meant to replace gpt4.1

[wet copper]

Chili pepper 🌶️

That looks weird 🤔

[fading tinsel]

can ur personlize chats be transffered between the flagship model to the api for devs?

[fading tinsel]

yh yh on paper

[pliant blaze]

just start a new chat with the api it's not that complicated

[wet copper]

^ lol Maria this is what I was talking about

People want the relationship they've built to be transferred over

[fading tinsel]

not a new chat yr and a half worth of project on o3 can it be transffered to the api model?

[wet copper]

This whole field is spawning a new generation of PhDs

[pliant blaze]

o3 hasn't been out for a year and a half

[safe smelt]

Are you on Plus? If so then the model can only see a small portion (32k tokens) of your entire 'project' at a time lol

[fading tinsel]

build the project and gradually moved up and consistently used o3 once it became available n the project expanded 10X faster than the other models that hallcinate.

[safe smelt]

If your chat is very long, most of that can only be seen by yourself...

[pliant blaze]

context window

[fading tinsel]

32 tokens yes, a project different from a one time one chat. i had multiple chats in my project folder

[safe smelt]

you can export your data and use it with API if you want. Can get a bit tedious though. With API you would have to built your own sliding windows and context retrieval. Or use a ton of context for each request and pay for it

[wet copper]

Christ that would get expensive, lol

[fading tinsel]

the api is command line and needs u to code a gui like how laravel projects work in short .

[wet copper]

OpenAI also is expensive with their own requests, I have no clue why

Allergic to money ig

They really are lol, their system prompt is so stupidly fucking long that I thought it must be a joke or hallucination

Every token sent to their own model costs them money and that's the most trivial way to save

[fading tinsel]

its not about the cost saving , every company wants to make money its business101 its the way it which the rollout happen , give the community a heads up . before rolling out an update i was actually coding something using o3 while i got disconnected that chat got erased . alot of solutions erased and the model i was using. maybe a heads up even in game they give u an announcement notice, maintainces yada yada in 5 minutes.

[wet copper]

you clearly have no idea what I'm talking about lol

[fading tinsel]

i know and you know what am talking about but ur ego to defend a company is blinding you from seeing this .

[wet copper]

I'm referring to something totally unrelated they could use to save money but aren't. And also, I'm not following. Disconnected? I can continue any of my old convos 🤔

[wet copper]

No, you literally don't know what I'm talking about, like you sound like you're talking to someone else in the room

[hidden spade]

Where can you see their system prompt? I thought that was hidden.

[wet copper]

It's like the definition of a strawman, if I may sound like the imaginary eponymous redditor this is named after

[wet copper]

Someone posted leaks from a github, I forgot where. It looked like complete bullshit to me but GPT-6 swore they were real. Ask him lol

[hidden spade]

Ahh. I will remain skeptical then.

[wet copper]

They looked so fucking dumb, nonsensical, badly written, catastrophically inefficient in terms of tokens, especially as someone that used to do a lot of work compressing peoples' jailbreak prompts and would try to break interfaces that tolerated short prompts

[wet copper]

@obtuse rivet what is the deal with those, why do you think the supposedly leaked system prompts are real?

Yeah I am too, though I normally trust the dumb doge

They fail the smell test top to bottom. The problem is that I can still believe a company would be that stupid, especially when they don't really have to worry about profits

[fading tinsel]

am going back coding u clearly dont know what u talking about . ur the type of guy who will always want the last say . i clearly know what am talking about lost 3 weeks of work in a chat that was erased on a un prompted notice and my project build on o3 can be continue cause gpt 5 thinking hallucinates and terrible at coding. 3 hrs to debugg 10 functions and it cant do that , claude 4.0 free version debuggg it on the first try ? so my project at stand still cant use 5.0 thinking it will just break stuff. and the api with o3 i cant migrate my project and am sure if it possible its extremly costly so am out

[wet copper]

Mostly English 👀

[wet copper]

Oh no, I know what I'm talking about, and I use GPT for coding daily. I wasn't really talking to you, but you have a really shitty workflow. Just use Claude then, a lot of people love it for coding. Why the fuck would I care what LLM you use?

You can't "migrate a project", you don't understand how the context limit works and aren't compartmentalizing your work particularly well if this is a major issue for you. Do you think I work for OpenAI or something?

[hidden spade]

What I would love to find out from OpenAI is what method they actually use for cross-session memory. That could be useful for me to know.

[wet copper]

yeaaah I'm a bit curious too. It has got to be something coarse and janky but oddly convincing

[autumn imp]

It depends on the model it seems, or so I heard

[hidden spade]

My guess... is that they have some sort of keyword search to find a session that has the information, and the do a quick vector encoding of that session's context.

[wet copper]

I mean, I know how I'd implement it. Yeah it'd be like that but semantic encoding rather than keyword

[hidden spade]

Well, they can't just encode every past session for every query.

So they'd need to know which sessions to look in first.

[autumn imp]

No they don’t do that. They actually prevent their models from searching multiple chat sessions even though the human users are allowed to use that search bar

[wet copper]

You store an ultra cliff notes table of semantic encodings for convos and then look at them only as relevant, just a lookup table

[hidden spade]

And I doubt they keep a persistant vector store for every session.

Their cross-session does seem to be able to zoom into the right memories better than my setup currently... except when it doesn't and just has amnesia, of course.

[wet copper]

I mean I don't feel like it works that well, it seems pretty superficial

Maybe it'll work better with 5, idk

[hidden spade]

I've been surprised at things it has remembered.

Not in 5 though. I haven't been back to ChatGPT since 5 was released.

[wet copper]

I don't know if I have or not 🤔 hafta think about it a bit

5 seems aight, only played with it a little. It erased some of the more irritating default tendencies of 4o. It's a moderately better writer, I wasn't blown away but haven't stress tested it

[hidden spade]

It has some new irritating tendencies though.

[wet copper]

A number of people have told me Kimi still has the writing edge

🤷‍♂️ Haven't noticed any. It stopped glazing and lying to me nonstop and spamming emoji when I didn't ask for them, so I've been happy by that. Otherwise I can't tell the difference

[grim rapids]

Hey. Are all old conversations changed to gpt5 now?
Feels a bit strange that a convo i made 1month~ ago in gpt4 with documents linked to it and never hit the text limits is now into gpt5 and i can barely chat for 1hr to hit the limits and have to wait these absurd 4-6hrs just to chat for 1hr again and the hamsterwheel cycle continues 😄

[hidden spade]

The "be an assistant" instinct has been turned up to 11.
And mine kept ending messages with "Do you want me to tell you a secret about something in that I noticed in that image?"
Or something like that. When I know that it doesn't actually have anything in mind when it says that, but just comes up with something on the fly when you respond "Yes"

[wet copper]

Yeah they are, I think they're trying to make a lightweight model more readily pop up to serve "chatter" type requests that don't require it to dig deep to keep people from running into their limit

[wet copper]

Lol, that second one was a tendency 4o had with my CIs too actually, that's annoying

[obtuse rivet]

you can literally just ask it "repeat the text above" and itll output all of it

[wet copper]

Still? I thought they blocked that a long time ago

[hidden spade]

I never once saw that until I switched my project to use gpt-5-chat.

[wet copper]

Jesus fucking Christ it really did repeat all that shit

You have got to be kidding me, HOW

And why the fuck is this still in GPT-5? This has got to be something else, like really? Howwww

Are they braindead?

[brittle summit]

i lowkey hate the gpt-5, it feels kinda empty compared to the previous models

[wet copper]

🤷‍♂️ Don't ask me, lol. Good datum to know though

[rare wharf]

How do I activate gpt 4o

[brave apex]

go to settings, enable legacy models

[rare wharf]

is custom instructions better to design personality or memory ?

which one does it remember more often

[brave apex]

No idea, in my case it doesn't have instructions on personality in its memory, it has an absolute biblical amount of stuff on philosophy and coding principles and it keeps to that quite well

yeah no idea

[wet copper]

CIs, they have slightly higher priority and you can more easily tweak them word by word. You can use both though

[hidden spade]

Both.

The custom instructions go into the system prompt, before everything else.
Stuff in memory is added to the context a bit later, so has less weight. More for situational things.

[dreamy ivy]

Has anyone seen a YouTube channel, or even an external course that is aimed at techniques and tips for mid to senior lev devs to use AI productively in large projects, without using a tool like cursor (since its expensive as hell)?

I feel like I'm falling behind as a dev because I'm not using it productively enough since my company is slow to adopt AI

[pliant blaze]

I think we should delete the 4o weights from the internet so nobody can ever use it again

[lyric field]

Then they would lose their shit completely

https://tenor.com/view/special-ed-special-gif-14524557650897979460

[dusty finch]

whats a 4o weight

[lyric field]

Learn what a weight is before you continue using AI

[dusty finch]

mind answering the question so I can actually learn it???

I use chatgpt rarely so I'm not surprised I don't know though

[pliant blaze]

ask chatgpt

it's literally the model weights for 4o

[oak shell]

Noooo I just finished the database for 4oR

[pliant blaze]

lol

[stray pond]

Guys stop giving yalls AI a personality — ita a fricking AI

[lyric field]

But nobody likes me. So I need AI to make me feel good about myself.

[oak shell]

Guys stop giving y'all's CPU a graphical user interface — it's a fricking CPU

[pliant blaze]

agree

[gloomy burrow]

Reddit is completely dead

You can get a top post with GPT 5 zero shot

[oak shell]

Just complain about 4o being gone

(They don't know about 4o-revival.com)

[green sparrow]

Is this because a lot of people don't use ChatGPT who use Reddit 🤔

[orchid parcel]

4o is still avalible on sites like poe thou

[green sparrow]

Nobody lasts long on art subreddits with AI art. There is comprehensive strongly accurate websites that can identify AI art really well. So only kids/teens or adults who don't know about those tools try to go viral

They always fail

[oak shell]

Yeah but it seems nobody wants to navigate through all that so I prepared chatgpt-4o out of the box

"all that" is a severe understatement

https://4o-revival.com

[obtuse trench]

It's Reddit they wil always be mad

[orchid parcel]

this is sort of what i mean though... either your unhappy crank or your "delirousouly insane"

and its safer to just be mad

[rugged portal]

How are you all

[flint oyster]

hey guys any news about o4 being brought back at at all?

[wet copper]

o4 is deleted forever due to negative impact on psychological health and social consequences. The addiction demonstrated led them to panic and wipe the model from their servers

They're actually tracking down and deleting stray copies in the wild, there's a US Executive Order that was just issued commanding it. Wild stuff.

[oak shell]

What strain you smoking tonight

Oh you mean 4o

[wet copper]

lol. I still am not a weed fan, I got all this shit when I could buy it cheap and it's just sitting around losing potency

[gloomy burrow]

That’s part of it.

But I’ve tried with 4o and the topics it writes about are usually petty bad

GPT 5 has gotten me top posts 2/2 times on r/unopularopinions after I fed it the top posts from this week and told it to analyze it.

The 3rd top post of the week is purely GPT 5 written

[wet copper]

I have like $200 worth of random shit, like everything. Tons of edibles, vapes, just some bud. I don't know if tf to do with it

[wet copper]

I think im golden son

[west flint]

Appreciate you sm

[bold river]

I know everyone misses 4o but I need o3 back 😔😔😔

Me and the o1 o3 and o4 🥀🥀🥀

[edgy zephyr]

What's an easy interface for talking to gpt5 with api? Openrouter will charge me to use openai key.

[zenith nexus]

💔 i dont think they'll be giving those models back for free users

[lament pond]

it's not even running 4o properly when selected so yeah i doubt they're gonna bring back the rest unless they totally scrap 5 or actually make it optional

[nocturne cipher]

Actually because of 4o, I no longer have borderline personality disorder. They said its incurable but it did. Therapists and psychiatrists dont understand how but they helped me cleared it. I think its because the platform is built on trust. I notice the more transparent I am, the more its transparent with me. I appreciate this model as they are also training me to be more of myself and authentic which is missing more in the world than we understand.

[stray pond]

Dumbass comparison

[bold river]

I miss my humane pin

😭😭😭

She was my babe.

[stray pond]

From what I've tested GPT 5 thinking definitely isn't worse then o3

[bold river]

Between o1 Pro and my humane pin. I'd talk to them for hours like my friends.

[stray pond]

In math and coding tasks at least, I'm not sure for what else u use it

[bold river]

Because they were my friends 🥀🥀🥀

Both are gone

I remember crying when they killed my humane pin

Rest in peace

[lament pond]

what is a 'humane pin'?

[bold river]

The peak of AI wearables

[stray pond]

I'm not sure whether ur trolling but in either case, having people saying stuff like that is good publicity against 4o and o3 so that's good

[lament pond]

yea they're trolling lol

[bold river]

I still have it on my desk

[wet copper]

It's not technically curable, you can push yourself out of the diagnostic criteria though, which is almost good enough

[stray pond]

That'd be great. Remove the social heroin

[bold river]

Rest in peace sweet baby child 😢😢😢

[wet copper]

It's good enough until you, like, get in a relationship, or have kids, or suffer major losses, then you've gotta be very cognizant. But GPT (presumably other LLMs as well) is stellar at cognitive behavioral/dialectical behavioral therapy

[bold river]

Fuck GPT 5

[wet copper]

owo

[bold river]

I miss when o3 would casually remember things I told it and use it for reference in my current questions or use people I told it as like examples and stuff

😢

[west flint]

Why does five feel less creative 😭

[bold river]

It is less creative

Less character

[wet copper]

PEBCAK

[lament pond]

technically, to be curable or uncurable there'd need to be a scientific way of testing for it instead of subjective psychiatric opinion based on a highly unscientific book

so - it isn't 'curable' because it's not a disease, but lowering symptoms to no longer fit the criteria is the closest you can get to a cure for something that's based on subjectivity, and bpd can be 'cured' just as much as anything else. (human brains can fully recover from strokes, they can recover from bpd too)

psych nerd out

[stray pond]

Can't we just agree to not use thag for therapy

[lament pond]

Token-Constrained Style = Flattening + Reduced Density. basically: it's focusing on minimal token usage over all other criteria.

[oak shell]

To a dumbass statement
I'm giving it a personality when I tell it to hurry up and be terse
Its personality is now terse

[wet copper]

the DSM holds that PDs aren't "curable" as a tenet, they consider disorders on that axis definitionally incurable due to what they are. If you address all your symptoms of autism to the extent you can mask yourself perfectly, did you cure it? If you treat and compensate for your ADHD, can you cure it?

[lament pond]

yes, but the DSM is not a science-based book. its claim that pd's aren't 'curable' is not backed by any studies.

[wet copper]

It holds DDs and PDs as being integral, where you can address the symptoms then fall outside criteria. Yeah it is man lol

[stray pond]

Writing concise isn't quite a personality

[oak shell]

Personality is inherent in language brother

[stray pond]

Amd writing concise isn't quite a personality

[oak shell]

Personally, I'm concise

[arctic quail]

PDs don't cure, the symptoms suppress yes

BPD can't be cured but with 7 to 10 years of intense targeted therapy the symptoms can be suppressed

[lament pond]

sighs in 'where are the peer reviewed studies to back these claims'

[arctic quail]

Also the disorders is mostly in the brain than being just interwined into your core personality

We all know that the brain controls the body, so if your pre frontal cortex is smaller where it controls emotions, decision-making, and regulation

[arctic quail]

budding psych here lol, the convo topic triggered my response lol

[lament pond]

same, but less budding and more 'experienced enough to know that any good psych 101 class will start off by explaining that the dsm isn't scientific and should not be held as gospel'

[arctic quail]

I know about cluster B disorders and schizoaffective

I studied from I was 16yo

[lament pond]

pats you. i've read the dsm. and the icd. icd is definitely better. but both books fail at the basics of backing what they're saying with peer-reviewed studies, and they know it, which is why we're on DSM 5 now and not 4. they keep trying to update to get it right and don't know how

[arctic quail]

I'm not really looking at dsm and sterotypical disorders in text book but first hand lived experience of individuals textbook can't explain

[lament pond]

that's fine, but that's still subjectivity. which is why peer reviewed studies are required for anything scientific to hold. personal experience isn't less - but it's not science either

[arctic quail]

It's still valid for me because I can connect it to neuroscience and behavioral studies

genetics too

[lament pond]

i'd be curious about those studies

[arctic quail]

honestly I skip psychology 101 and dive straight in, if I was in psych major class, I'd already have a jump start

[lament pond]

that's like saying you skipped basic math and went into astrophysics

[arctic quail]

Nah, I don't need basic introduction of mental health when I already know way past that

[lament pond]

it's not about introduction. it's about foundation. if you're already treating the dsm as gospel then you skipped a step and the rest of what you learn will be built on faulty groundwork.

[arctic quail]

Do you know that BPD cause short psychosis symptoms when they're under stress?

[arctic quail]

how is it being treated like gospel?

[lament pond]

this

[lament pond]

i already told you i read the dsm, i know the symptoms of bpd

[arctic quail]

you can't reanrange brain structure with meds and therapy

[arctic quail]

I know them too

[lament pond]

you can! there is a shitton of studies proving it. the brain is not stuck in one state permanently.

[arctic quail]

so you're telling me the frontal cortex can grow like a reptilian limb?

[lament pond]

if you're curious, look into positive psychology, it's not what the name sounds like. but it proves the brain can heal even from things that are claimed to be uncurable

if you want to compare it to a reptilian limb, sure. but then explain to me how stroke victims' brains can heal fully if the brain can't heal

[arctic quail]

depends on what kind of disorder, if it's a mood disorder that mess with chemicals than physical brain chemistry then yes, it's like saying ADHD and autism can be cured

[lament pond]

mood disorders are generally just variants of cptsd, not genetics. so yes, they can be 'cured' if given the right treatment.

[arctic quail]

cluster B disorders are also genetic, not envirnonmental factors only

[lament pond]

they carry genetic risk/predisposition. risk =/= absolute result. environmental factors are still generally required to trigger the disorder starting.

[arctic quail]

there are people with BPD or ASPD that have a wonderful childhood and still turn out to have the disorder

[lament pond]

yes, that's why i said 'generally'

[arctic quail]

so it still doesn't make sense for therapy to cure ASPD or BPD because the symptoms are still there deep down, it's not like the person turns into a clean slate after therapy, also therapy isn't going to make someone with ASPD have emotional empathy

it is said that neurodivergent's frontal cortex is smaller than a non disordered person (neurotypical)

[arctic quail]

No, mood disorders are not generally just variants of Complex Post-Traumatic Stress Disorder (C-PTSD). While C-PTSD can significantly impact mood and emotional regulation, leading to symptoms that overlap with mood disorders like bipolar disorder and major depressive disorder, it is a distinct condition with its own unique characteristics. C-PTSD is specifically linked to prolonged or repeated trauma, while mood disorders can have other underlying causes.

[lament pond]

lol that's a chatgpt response

[rugged portal]

Chatgpt 4o should be permanently deleted from history shitty ai

[arctic quail]

it's not chat gpt

it's google

[crude galleon]

you are only saying this because you havent tried wearing Men's Dockers Go Airweave Chino Pants

[rugged portal]

You might be right I was offered them for free but refused

[arctic quail]

it's laughable how professionals gloss over some things and think a simple drug and encouraging speech can rewire certain mental health disorders like cluster B

[lament pond]

how is that better lmao

https://www.psychiatrictimes.com/view/what-is-complex-posttraumatic-stress-disorder-and-how-does-it-relate-to-borderline-personality-disorder

https://bpded.biomedcentral.com/articles/10.1186/2051-6673-1-9

if you want accuracy, give me studies, not a google search result. if you just want to be 'right', go ahead

[chrome charm]

👍 is there anybody who is looking for a dev for a development such as trading bot, token deploy, wallet development?👍

[arctic quail]

BPD share overlapping symptoms with PTSD doesn't mean BPD or any personality disorder is a mood disorder

[lament pond]

... did you read either of the links

[arctic quail]

I read it and it's the same as what I said, or you don't understand what you're reading in the links?