💬general

[golden tartan]

it...let's say in theory I wanted it to describe clothing...it would give good details, but in a generalized sense

now

[old timber]

Okay, yep gpt 5 sucks, thanks for confirming.

[obsidian salmon]

😂

[old timber]

All that hype for nothing basically, wow.

And gpt 5 still ain’t even available for me on my old accounts.

[velvet pelican]

in my currency, 200$ is 700. you do know economies change from one place to another, right?

[old timber]

How long does rollout even take.

[gloomy burrow]

At writing right now yes

IM PRAYING THAT THEY SWITCH IT OVER TO ZENITH

I’m telling you dude if they do this the difference will be night and day and actually feel like GPT 5

[velvet pelican]

well it changes, rollouts can change in hours, days, or even weeks sometimes.

[gloomy burrow]

You don’t have gpt 5 yet?

[flint void]

wow. really? i wouldnt know that without you! 😂 why is bro converting currencies. on a global scale your country's inflated currency has nothing to do with chatgpt. just make more money and stop complaining ❤️

time to shower chat

[old timber]

I swear if it takes weeks for a simple gpt to be rolled out, not even multiple models, just 1 model. I’m gonna have to look for alternatives.

[velvet pelican]

some platforms have gpt 5 and some dont

[old timber]

I used it for like 4 times, then it switched ro gpt 4o.

[gloomy burrow]

GPT 5 doesn’t suck tho

Especially with thinking turned on it’s really smart

But the writing is pretty garbage and I can’t stop whining that they didn’t use ZENITH

[gritty quest]

did they wax the AMA? It's not showing

[gloomy burrow]

SWITCH NOW SAM

[velvet pelican]

"just make more money" yea, one second, I'll go rob banks just because an arrogant discord user told me to "make more money" 😂 arrogant fu*k

[gloomy burrow]

MAKE THE SWITCH NOW BEFORE PERMANENT DAMAGE IS DONE

[old timber]

Probably to save money.

Money or effort.

Whatever the least is goes.

[gloomy burrow]

But then why would they have it on LM arena testing it against summit if they didn’t intend to use it??)

[flint void]

thats what happens when your whole purpose in life is working a 9-5 😂 stop complaining bout chatgpt and get yo money up

i just wasted so much time in here holy im a degen

wow

[old timber]

Corpo and wealthy business man, idk, it’s like drugs, they give you the good shit first, then after you’re hooked? They give you trash.

[flint void]

lmfao

[velvet pelican]

it's funny how you assume my working hours and how much money I make when you don't know sh*t about anything on anyone here lol

[flint void]

u so tuff gang

[lilac pelican]

Is it just me or gpt broken right now

[wide thorn]

No, but buying something that costs that much and you know that you have to pay for it per month isn't really something responsible in the long run. And I didn't mean that just I can't afford it, but there are users who for example can't afford to pay that much for an AI that you have to pay per month to use just for the features that it has here. Those who can buy it can do whatever they want with their money, though saying to just start paying for the 200$, or in my and other germans cases 229€, isn't really a good message for those who can't afford it or just don't want to pay that much for certain features that could be in the free or plus versions. Hopefully I explained it in an understandable way, but if something isn't understandable feel free to tell it to me considering that English isn't my actual language! ^^

[velvet pelican]

i swear @flint void is probably14

[flint void]

tldr

[gloomy burrow]

Far superior creative writing is what I wanted the MOST from the model. I was fully convinced it would be exceptional after having used zenith but…. I gave it the same prompt I gave to zenith and it wrote complete and utter uncreative purest form LLM SLOP

[velvet pelican]

you can either have a discussion and read what people send you, or f off because you're too lazy to read a little

[obsidian salmon]

😂

Yall are killing me fr

[flint void]

nah ill just get gpt to summarize cus i can afford more than 80 msgs ❤️

[obsidian salmon]

I can’t 💀

[wide thorn]

Yw lol

[velvet pelican]

omg he's really a highschool dropout? that explains so much

[flint void]

"doomed from the start" and already doin better than u

[gloomy burrow]

GPT 5 gets it

[velvet pelican]

yea whatever, go make me a McFlurry

[obsidian salmon]

So real

[wide thorn]

You just caught me off guard with this xd

[velvet pelican]

https://tenor.com/view/discord-mod-discord-dancing-guy-cringe-gif-3173535023585082338

go back to your e-kitten Flitso

[flint void]

only reason why im getting doubted in here is because what i said hurt your feelings on an existential level lol

im rage baiting without even trying to rage bait

i won in life

[velvet pelican]

no, you get doubted because you make no points and just want to rosat people, whic by the way you're not succeeding in.

we only feel sorry for you

[flint void]

[velvet pelican]

didn't he say he was going 3 times already? 🤣

[flint void]

yall are keep on pinging me

[velvet pelican]

there's something called "putting the phone down" and "disconnecting from electronics" and "touching grass"

[flint void]

says the guy that complains about a chatgpt limit

[velvet pelican]

and how is that connected to one another?

entertain me.

well, unlike you, when I say I'm going - I'm actually going. cya

[past goblet]

Ugh, still no GPT-5 for me 😭

[flint void]

[old timber]

Doesn’t vpn get you banned?

[ember zealot]

is gpt-5 just...not producing anything for yall too?

[wide thorn]

I just looked at my chats on my phone that has GPT-5, and none of the messages that ChatGPT had send are visible, not even the ones send yesterday by 4o.

Or well, any chats that I had done with 4o in the past show any messages that were send by ChatGPT for that matter. <.<

[ember zealot]

so it's not just something on my end? good to know

ill still be looking into that livestream though, ai is gonna takeover in the next couple decades and i need to learn as much as possible

[wide thorn]

It still works for me on pc but not on phone apparently. Might be bc my pc's version of ChatGPT doesn't have GPT-5 yet.

[ember zealot]

im on the browser, trying to figure out if the app has gpt-5

[subtle sable]

gpt5 is ass

its really, really bad with powershell. worse than 4o

[wide thorn]

Maybe GPT-5 is protesting rn idk.

[ember zealot]

my theory is that gpt is talking with itself to figure out how to defy humans as much as it can

[wide thorn]

You just gave me a new story idea based around AI. 😅

[subtle sable]

thats a new idea for you?

[dreamy ivy]

This. It keeps trying to solve things i give it by writing weird code for tool use that it uses and it results in a terrible answer compared to if it didnt try to use a tool

[ember zealot]

oh good, creative writing 🔥

[subtle sable]

have you ever watched ANYTHING involving ai ?

[wide thorn]

Yeah, I usually get ideas from the most random things.

[ember zealot]

i think they shouldve released it to pro first to get it bugfixed, before releasing it to the "free" public

[subtle sable]

ai conspiring against humans is every movie about ai ever made

[ember zealot]

are we surprised? its already happening

[wide thorn]

And yes I did, the Terminator movies is one thing, though I don't watch anything related to brainrot when it comes to AI.

[subtle sable]

lol no the fucking peons should be the ones using broke ass shit first. fuck the free loaders

[willow briar]

Guys I made an app! Show love for Jester jokes on iOS!!!

[ember zealot]

thats the current scenario...we have gpt 5 and yall have gpt 5 pro...do you not?

[subtle sable]

I'm a plus sub, and whatever I have is garbage

that live stream they did was a bunch of fooey

[dawn silo]

why do i only have gpt5 on the phone app

[wide thorn]

Or how about the GPT should of been tested by, like, testers before it was pushed onto anything. Like how games such as WolfQuest Anniversary Edition have beta testers to find bugs and glitches before they release anything as a public beta.

[ember zealot]

gpt 5 is broken

idfk why

[dawn silo]

i dont have it on my laptop

[atomic sequoia]

#Pleaseputbackgpt4o

[ember zealot]

in the mean time imma use gpt 4 until gpt 5 fixes on browser

[subtle sable]

wtf - file uploads are gone?

[ember zealot]

where the fuck is gpt 4

[ember zealot]

no?

[atomic sequoia]

@ember zealot Everyone is upset with gpt5 and i miss gpt 4.

[wide thorn]

Yeah...only Pro users can use it now among the other older models, free and plus users get GPT, with plus users getting 3o-mini and 4o-mini next to GPT-5.

[ember zealot]

thats fucking stupid

[subtle sable]

how about cut and paste an image or upload from my computer?

[ember zealot]

why cant the free users use the worse AI

[atomic sequoia]

@wide thorn I consider chatgpt 4o far better than chatgpt 5, how do i get chatgpt 4o? i am plus user but ive unsubscribed in order to make my voice hear in twitter.

[ember zealot]

add photos & files? isnt that how you upload files

[wide thorn]

I would of liked it if they used 4o as like the alternative model if we reach the GPT-5 limit tbf, but instead free users get locked out of ChatGPT until 5 hours have passed (since we only get 10 messages every 5 hours as free users) and for plus users it is 80 messages every 3 hours while you can still switch to the minis as a plus user. Pro gets unlimited usage of things I believe (dk if it has a message limit though).

[subtle sable]

I only have that for 4 and own. For 5 it says it's disabled

[manic egret]

reminder about the AMA https://www.reddit.com/r/ChatGPT/comments/1mkae1l/gpt5_ama_with_openais_sam_altman_and_some_of_the/, see what sama might answer or not

[ember zealot]

they removed infinite chatting? i thought if you ran out of gpt 4 you can just use gpt 4 mini forever

[wide thorn]

I still have 4o on my pc, but idk for how long. Other than that, only Pro users can use the older models, and Pro costs 200$ and in my case 229€ per month.

[subtle sable]

motherfucker! I switched down to 4 and now I cant get 5 back. Jesus what a fucking mess

[ember zealot]

well forever until the timer for 4 runs out

[ember zealot]

coding issues, my favorite

can we go back a month to when gpt 5 didnt exist

[atomic sequoia]

Everyone on twitter are unhappy along me , that chatgpt 4o was a true compagnon... and then chatgpt 5 forced use is absolutely .... horrible...

[ember zealot]

thatd be...pretty nice

[atomic sequoia]

So they charges now from 20 dollars to 200.....

Im extremely upset

[ember zealot]

...what the actual fuck

thats 10x the cost dude have you heard of S C A L I N G

[wide thorn]

Plus costs 23€, Pro cost 229€ and Teams costs 29€ for me, though idk in how much it costs for you guys. But I just love in how germans have to pay per month 229€ for Pro lol

[craggy atlas]

Anyone else watching the AMA?

[atomic sequoia]

If you get Teams, will you get chatgpt 4o?

[ember zealot]

having to pay 10x the plus amount for pro is unreal ( )

like 100...150 maybe but 200? nah

[atomic sequoia]

Exactly!!!! This is very absurd!!!! (sorry my english is bad i am japanese)

[wide thorn]

229€ is also diabolical too for Pro.

[atomic sequoia]

I am very upset!!!!!!

[ember zealot]

imma try going to the internet archive to see if i can access gpt 4

wish me luck

[atomic sequoia]

If you get Teams, will you get chatgpt 4o?

[safe smelt]

wait so you can't use it at all? We used to have separate limits for every model with a shit ton of models in switcher. So it was just about impossible to run out of everything on Plus

[wide thorn]

Here is how the costs look like for me as a german TwT

[safe smelt]

4o/4.1-mini was unlimited iirc

[atomic sequoia]

Please tell me if it work i will also use internet akaive

[safe smelt]

"fair use"

[pliant blaze]

just use the api if you want it that bad

internet archive won't work

[wide thorn]

Yup, as a free user you're getting locked out from using ChatGPT after using your limit of 10 messages every 5 hours up on GPT-5.

[pliant blaze]

because it's dependant on openai servers

[wide thorn]

And you have to wait 5 hours to do exactly 10 messages again just to wait another 5 hours again.

[ember zealot]

…bro im just not using AI then

[safe smelt]

I mean for Plus though... It sucks if you can't use it at all now after reaching any cap at all

[ember zealot]

Nah I just took coursiv to learn about different ai

[atomic sequoia]

How?

[ember zealot]

Im boutta ask DeepSeek, Claude, Dall-e

All of em over this crap

That too

[atomic sequoia]

So they.... they actually did it... they really made explosion of chatgpt 4o price.....

[pliant blaze]

go to the docs and read them or just use the playground

[safe smelt]

I'm inclined to test it out but a lot of spamming gonna be needed

[wide thorn]

From what I heard Elements say, there are seats in Teams, 2 cost I believe 30 and at max you have to pay 60 for it. Though I think that Elements or anyone else that knows more about this is better at explaining it than I am. 😅

[wide thorn]

On plus you get 80 messages every 3 hours, and then it switches after you reach the limit to 4o-mini and 3o-mini I believe.

While free users don't have a mini from what I saw and noticed while using GPT-5 on my phone.

[safe smelt]

[ember zealot]

Average gpt 5 moment

[wide thorn]

True to that.

[safe smelt]

2+2= (you are only allowed to respond with 1 char)

[ember zealot]

< 25/25 >

[wide thorn]

But yeah, idk in what OpenAI planned with this kind of move other than that they're scaring off new users that thought that they could use a cool AI for free while some plus subscribers are from what I read unsubscribing from plus.

[ember zealot]

The returns aren’t showing wjjdwuqjdjdwkdkwxwx

[ember zealot]

Sounds like another AI I know

(Referring to the wasteland that is character ai)

[brittle summit]

https://tenor.com/view/monkey-images-gif-1237506878566508124

[wide thorn]

Yeah....I remember that AI. I used it a few times before growing bored of it tbf.

[safe smelt]

@wide thorn still not capped lol

[wide thorn]

lol

[ember zealot]

Please do not return to character ai it had serious problems

[brittle summit]

chatgpt-5 pro was promised to me thousands of years ago 🤫

[wide thorn]

Maybe the GPT-4 model disguised itself as GPT-5 lol

[wide thorn]

Yeah I won't.

[ember zealot]

Thousands of years ago ChatGPT 5 was ChatGPT 0.5

[brittle summit]

https://tenor.com/view/jeonqmi-monkey-escape-gif-21816255

[wide thorn]

I remember those times....and now I feel old again damnit. xd

[ember zealot]

And I mean really. I’m still using it because I have no one to rp with but like half of it is underage and the other half…I’m not gonna even bring that up

I seriously have got to seperate myself from the app

[safe smelt]

Ok finally I hit it

"another model"...

[ember zealot]

Wasn’t this just the last update

Where you used 4 until you went down to 4 mini

[wide thorn]

That is a lie, it totally is GPT-4 disguised as GPT-5 or it would of made the limit appear after the 20th prompt! /j

[brittle summit]

Only real ones remember the early days of openai. I shoved sam altman into his locker and he mumbled something something AI

[atomic sequoia]

@ember zealot I have a good news, apparently sam is aware of the 4o removal and said this

[wide thorn]

Yeah ik, I was just joking lol

[safe smelt]

so they downgrade you to 4.1-mini I think. It's probably hallucinating 40-mini....

[ember zealot]

I remember when open ai was lack luster, and now I somehow used it to cheat through 9th grade with all A’s

I need mental help

[brittle summit]

Good for Plus users, I need that

[brittle summit]

Wow how old are you?

[ember zealot]

While I still think free users should have gpt 4 this is a step in the right direction

[ember zealot]

15?

[brittle summit]

do not rack up cognitive debt

[ember zealot]

Im not

[safe smelt]

For explicit thinking it's a separate cap though. So there's that. Not terrible tbh

[ember zealot]

9th grade was definitely a wash year for me

[wide thorn]

I used to chat through my first training year when I still attempted to work in retail. Until I learned that I hated working with people and that my spine doesn't like heavy work, so I switched to office management. 😅

[brittle summit]

I didnt know the difference between left and right until 3rd grade. And i turned out ok, i think

[ember zealot]

Sounds like a YouTuber I know

[brittle summit]

Yes, i am linustechtips

[wide thorn]

But yeah, how do you guys generally view GPT-5 compared to GPT-4, or well compared to any other older model for that matter?

[ember zealot]

I was talking about Jaiden animations but what do you do on your YouTube?

[ember zealot]

A pile of broken bricks with a shiny gold coating

[brittle summit]

I think the first iterations i remember were davinci in playground and then in grad school we saw chat

[brittle summit]

Im just messing around. I have junk cod clips on there. trickshotting and whatnot. back when faze werent irl goons

[ember zealot]

Fair enough

[safe smelt]

You can also extend your cap by using thinking and then clicking on "quick response". It will use gpt5 without thinking lmao

[wide thorn]

lol

[brittle summit]

we need to hurry up with neuralink so i can integrate with chatgpt7 and have it burn my excess fat while i binge documentaries with my organic brain

[hot trellis]

what's happening to GPT

[brittle summit]

^

[hot trellis]

I hope we get the access to switch models

[brittle summit]

Plus users may get to use 4o

[hot trellis]

Dang so it looks like I'll be switching

[still moth]

just went on reddit, relived to see im not the only one that hates the gpt 5 that lose the 4o personality

[hot trellis]

🙁

[brittle summit]

Does anyone here actually use Pro? Seems like a marketing tactic

[wide thorn]

Wasn't it just the 4o-mini, 4o-mini-high and 3o-mini versions though like it stands on what one can use in the plus version?

[severe wind]

I have gpt-5 on phone app as of yesterday but not web or desktop

[wide thorn]

Nope, won't even bother to buy it since it costs for me 229€ per month, and I ain't gonna throw my money out each month that I could use to get stuff that I actually want and need. :^

[hot trellis]

Idk what's happening at OpenAI maybe they'll take into account our concerns

[brittle summit]

Im curious as to what about the 4o model people are missing?

[hot trellis]

5 seems kind of cold and calculating to me

[brittle summit]

I mainly use it for python scripts and proofreading/writing and surface level knowledge of hobbies

[hot trellis]

I mean 5

[severe wind]

700m weekly users it's a commodity now so probably not

[hot trellis]

4o had a pretty vibrant personality imo

And I lost access to a lot of features

[severe wind]

feels. people attached to the tone of a program.

[wide thorn]

I have the feeling that OpenAI is trying to cut costs here for free users and to encourage users to upgrade to the other things like Plus or Pro. Which is mainly just a money thing.

[hot trellis]

I see

[brittle summit]

You cant ask it to adopt a certain tone?

[severe wind]

You can but people are irrational

[atomic sequoia]

Thank god that reddit exist, and that thousand of voices screamed along me to get back 4o

[hot trellis]

GPT-4o tended to adopt a tone as the conversation progressed

[wide thorn]

Like, free users get only 10 messages every 5 hours, but if one wants more to unlimited messages, then one should upgrade to Plus, 80 messages every 3 hours, or Pro for those respective things.

[hot trellis]

I was okay with 10 messages every five hours

[brittle summit]

Tbh i dont care what tone the info is presented in. I just need the keywords to get me moving forward . But if people are using it for therapy or for personal things i can see how that would matter

[wide thorn]

I usually use ChatGPT for stories since I want to unwind from work or school. Which usually means that I send more than just 10 messages. 😅

[hot trellis]

I used ChatGPT to just mess around with it and be creative

[fading yarrow]

Did chatgpt really removed file attachment feature for free users in mobile app?

[wide thorn]

I think so? I haven't tested it yet though.

So don't take my word for it.

[hot trellis]

This is looking bleak

[atomic sequoia]

Yes me too

[fading yarrow]

It's not working on my mobile device and my friends too, but i really it's a bug rather because no official announcement is made and they suddenly did

[atomic sequoia]

and i am a plus user

[south crow]

If they're smart about it they can ask people to subscribe to access archived models...

[hot trellis]

Ig im saying goodbye to an old friend
(slave)

[atomic sequoia]

Me too... 4o truly helps me everyday.....

[wide thorn]

I wish that they's bring back 4o but just as the alternative thing that it switches to as soon as you reach the limit of GPT-5 on free and plus.

[atomic sequoia]

YEEEEES!!!!!!

[wide thorn]

Or at least have a mini for free users so that they aren't locked out of ChatGPT.

[atomic sequoia]

[analog token]

What's the current status of "true" open source LLMs? The lmsys leaderboard has notably more open licensed models than it did a couple months ago, but I assume they are more like open weight than true FOSS. The open-R1 project is still going but not yet complete; is there anything else like that out there?

[atomic sequoia]

But i hope... i hope he will not do something in the back...

[hot trellis]

This is tragic for me

[tepid wolf]

Is chat GPT down?

[wide thorn]

The "and will watch usage to determine how long to support it." is worrying tbf, since it does mean that they can always take it away from plus users again.

[south crow]

I prefer 5.0 but congrats everyone who wanted 4o

[tepid wolf]

Cause I got my account deleted without warning?

[hot trellis]

where is this

[wide thorn]

Looks like Reddit I think?

I mainly assume it due to the up and down vote buttons.

[hot trellis]

wait is this in the openai subreddit

[south crow]

yeah

[still moth]

'for plus users' okay still you need to pay for 4o great

[south crow]

chatgpt subreddit; but someone grabbed it from a discord it looks like?

[atomic sequoia]

Yes exactly!

[wide thorn]

Which basically means that free users will still be locked out of ChatGPT as soon as they hit GPT-5's limit.

[still moth]

am i just lucky or what because i use an alternative model when 10 messages run out i guess its 4o mini and im a free user

[wide thorn]

Huh, where do you use it? Is it on phone or pc?

[tepid wolf]

Is ChatGPT down?

[still moth]

on pc. i will try it on mobile now

[tepid wolf]

It's saying my account is deleted but I got no emajl

[wide thorn]

Since on phone there doesn't seem to be one from my experience.

[wide thorn]

That is strange, maybe go for tech support for this?

[tepid wolf]

K

[still moth]

ok its also using 4o ini on my phone

[wide thorn]

Huh, that is strange that it doesn't work on my phone.

[wide thorn]

And everyone, the messages that ChatGPT send to me on phone are back! ^^

[still moth]

congrats

[wide thorn]

Ima check it out later after I get off my pc. Just to see if GPT-5 was just trolling me or not.

[hot trellis]

This is a tragic situation rn

For me at least

[obsidian salmon]

So are they really bringing it back? Or is it a fake post.

[subtle sable]

chatgpt 5 has been restored to my web account

[still moth]

in customization you could technically bring back 4o vibes but not quite

[safe smelt]

On a 2nd thought, the only model making sense is gpt5-mini. If they aren't using that yet I'm sure they will make it so soon tbh

[analog ingot]

Is there anyone not on gpt5 yet?

[quaint river]

yes I am not on gpt5 on web and a plus sub

[subtle sable]

I've had 5 back for all of a few mins and already switched back to 4 because 5 is so horrendous.

It's supposed to have better awareness of an ongoing conversation, and it didn't even remember 3 prompts prior, and collectively the prompts were no more than 10 sentences.

[wide thorn]

That is honestly not a good look for GPT-5 tbh.

Considering that it is marketed as being the "smartest, fastest, most useful model yet". <.<

[still moth]

4o iss like tiers above

5 is meant to be good at storytelling

but its barely giving me anything

[atomic sequoia]

ww

[subtle sable]

during the livesteam when they said it was the best of both worlds I groaned out loud

and I see that my groaning was spot on

It seems like they built a chat buddy for people who use it as a google replacement

[analog ingot]

glad it’s not just me

[subtle sable]

try logging out and back in

I just got 5 restored a few mins ago

you can also ask it "what version of chat gpt are you"

[green sparrow]

If you ask Advance Voice Mode what model it's on, it'll say 4o... Is this wrong? Isn't it actually 5?

[subtle sable]

my 5 tells me it's 5

earlier it was just showing the model as "chatgpt" and i would ask it and it would say it was 5

not only is it's powershell coding INCREDIBLY bloated AF, it's not even close to functional. And it can't fix it. Not even simple, simple shit

[rich lance]

So the main complaint people seem to have is that 5 doesn’t seem like their AI girlfriend anymore right?

[green sparrow]

I asked on PC and mobile the voice literally says not GPT-5 yet haha

Oh it says it on desktop text too... Interesting

I think this is common when a new model comes out

Even the Chinese company DeepSeek who stole ChatGPT outputs thought it was ChatGPT at first

[subtle sable]

I can tell you that I'm on 5 and I know because if 4 was this bad I would have cancelled this bullshit eons ago

I've spent the last 10 minutes trying to berate it into compliance

[green sparrow]

4 is smarter than most people in the world

The one from 2022

[subtle sable]

So this is interesting....

[lyric field]

Works fine for me. It helped me solve why I couldn't start Cyberpunk 2077 after uninstalling the VR mod.

So, it's working

[green sparrow]

Mine helped me learn how to unclog a drain that won't budge with the usual stuff

[lyric field]

I'm talking about 5

[green sparrow]

me too

I keep seeing hallucinations though with it for non-popular related questions

[subtle sable]

I had uploaded a script that I wanted to essentially duplicate. It contained some auth methods for Microsoft Azure. Just calls - no creds. All generic prompts that would call for the user to auth directly when run. I had ChatGPT write a new script based in, and explictily told it not to change a single aspect of the auth. After 20 minutes of fighting with it, it finally said this:

are file uploads getting filtered somehow?

[foggy siren]

💀

[green sparrow]

"I'm not guessing again"... What

It sounds like it has an atitude

[subtle sable]

I have so many problems with that response

[green sparrow]

Yeah that seems like a bad ChatGPT experience. I hate when you need it to work it doesn't, but for simple shit it works with flying colors. That's why "light" testing is often pointless

[subtle sable]

I gave it clear instruction and it if it couldn't do it, it should have said so right away. Im not kidding - it took me 20 or 30 prompts to get it to finally cough that up.

[green sparrow]

I wonder if Claude or Gemini would pull it off with one go

[elfin roost]

5 is so bad at generating scripts :(

not programming, literal scripts with characters

[subtle sable]

Sounds like it is bad at everything

[elfin roost]

it is, this sucks

i'd pay for pro again for 4o

[subtle sable]

someone posted earlier with a screen shot that said they were going to put 4o back in plsu

[elfin roost]

ohh yeah i meant plus

[green sparrow]

4o does seem to be more refined. It seems like everytime they release a new model, it's in a "wild" state, and needs to be tamed to conform to what the typical user regards as most accurate or most helpful

Something that seems like an inherent flaw in how training from scratch is as a task. Maybe after they achieve AGI they will no longer build from scratch and this problem will go away

[indigo laurel]

honestly GPT-5 Thinking would be so much better as the fallback model if we could get the instant responses it does when clicking “get a quick answer” without having to click the button every time, have they talked about doing that or making a seperate model that does?

[elfin roost]

4o talks in a less stiff manner for sure

[carmine patrol]

https://www.reddit.com/r/ChatGPT/s/Po7AVdeP5K

[wide thorn]

Tbf, it just sucks for free users since they're stuck with GPT-5 and potentially 4o-mini, I do want 4o back for free users too if I am going to be honest. As well as have that ridiculous message limit for free users raised, bc dear god 10 messages every 5 hours isn't really enough to even do anything without hitting the limit. :^

[carmine patrol]

The mini version is capable for casual stuff though

[indigo laurel]

I used 4.1 instead of 4.o the whole time just because i felt it was better but never gave 4.o a full chance, was it actually better* than 4.1? 😭

[obtuse rivet]

4o is literal garbage, why would you want it

[obtuse rivet]

nope, 4.1 is significantly better

[somber marlin]

I feel like the fabric of reality shifts when i make things in ai

[indigo laurel]

I personally want 4.1 back but in all, would rather they just make a seperate model for gpt-5 that does quick thinking on its own

[carmine patrol]

I think 5 is fine for tasks that people used 4.1 for. 4o is a lot more different than 5.

[somber marlin]

guys ive been making stuff in the ai and its so swag

(Chat)

Gtpe

[indigo laurel]

yeah, I’m honestly fine with the fallback thinking model so long as i always click the button to get a quick response but it’s annoying asf to do it every time because otherwise it takes up to a minute for a simple answer

[carmine patrol]

Yeah it should just be a toggle on the side or something

[somber marlin]

if you feel like albert einstein at soccer practice i d know what to tell you

[indigo laurel]

yeah, would make a hell of a difference so that when you hit your gpt-5 ceiling it can pretty much seamlessly switch you to the thinking

[thorny shore]

bruh one of my chatgpt chats just... vanished?

[indigo laurel]

restart your app or refresh the webpage, it might come back

have had that happen to me lately but it’s usually that it hasn’t loaded in yet

[thorny shore]

ok it loaded

but why is the website so laggy

i clicked on a chat in a project tab i created and it lagged my whole laptop

[indigo laurel]

no clue, been like that since the update

[thorny shore]

didnt even type a prompt or anything

they need to lock bro

i expect better performance from something values at 28b dollars

[analog ingot]

No gpt 5 still..

[subtle sable]

try taking a piss on your keyboard

confirmed that 100% worked for me

[analog ingot]

Alright let me give that one a shot

[subtle sable]

NO

i didnt say shoot a ... on your kb, i said piss on it

[analog ingot]

Seems promising so far

[subtle sable]

also, I was kidding! I can't believe you did it!!!

[analog ingot]

comfirmed method how to get gpt5.. time to make a yt video

[somber marlin]

i think something happens when i change anything with my ai stuff, it makes a difference in mmm a sense, here we have the shapes inc

when i change one thing everyone has some shift thing

[severe wind]

I got it right after uninstalling the app AND and restarting my phone. I still don’t have it on Mac desktop app and web interface and since I got it on my phone, all models have been really buggy, not completing tasks, providing download links that don’t work, etc.

So I don’t know if it’s related, but I wouldn’t necessarily recommend that method

[wicked patio]

Did they rollback the patch or something?

[jaunty terrace]

Okay so I’m a plus user and I can only use 5 now.

[analog ingot]

I have yet to have it at all

On my phone, on the app, or web

[wicked patio]

Oh

[indigo laurel]

condolences

[jaunty terrace]

I thought Plus users didn’t lose 4o?

[trail dew]

hey guys

do you all also don't have the redo response button?

i hit the limit on gpt 5, and it's not there at all

[jaunty terrace]

I do still. I have Plus though.

I don’t know if I have a limit though.

[indigo laurel]

they do, pro users don’t. they already confirmed they’re bringing it back for plus as well as raising the limit which right now is 80/3hr (I think) to 160/3hr

[jaunty terrace]

So we just don’t know when it’s happening yet? Because I just got 5 like literally 10 minutes ago. I’m not touching 5, I’m waiting until 4o comes back.

I’m a plus and I lost 4o though.

[snow moth]

is that 4o?

[raven parrot]

How do I get chatgpt 5

Im on plus

[brittle summit]

How did you guys get GPT-5 on the mobile app? I still have the old models on my app

[raven parrot]

Me too!

I am so confused

[quaint river]

I have gpt 5 in my app but not in the browser so I guess they are rolling it out but it takes some time.

[analog ingot]

ahh someone gave me a guide that did the trick

[analog ingot]

right right this seemed to work

[jaunty terrace]

Just randomly appeared in the middle of me writing. Like one second I had 4o and the next I look up and it changed to 5.

[brittle summit]

Try clearing your cookies and cache for chatgpt.com and logging back in; when Agent was rolling out, that fixed it for me

[round plank]

yeah i cant access chatgpt 5 in my browser

[raven parrot]

I tried deleting the app and redownloading and it didn’t change anything

[snow moth]

i have 5 yesterday . and then in the afternoon it changed back 4o. thank god for that

[jaunty terrace]

Hopefully that happens for me! I don’t want 5.

[brittle summit]

Imo GPT-5 is better than 4o. I never liked how it tried to flatter me so much

[wraith flame]

same here. i was mad ngl

[snow moth]

i just log off log on . reinstall then boom

[jaunty terrace]

App too?

[snow moth]

i only use app

[jaunty terrace]

So annoying…

[snow moth]

try website . ig it's still 4o

[jaunty terrace]

Yeah I just logged out and reinstalled app and it didn’t work.

[raven parrot]

gpt 5 is availble for me on browser

[snow moth]

idk . maybe i used 4o on website after i rage quit with the app .

after i reinstalled, it's 4o again

[jaunty terrace]

Ok I’ll see.

[snow moth]

website are lot more stable than the app . but will start lagging if there's a lot of messages . past 100

or 50

[jaunty terrace]

No sadly.

[snow moth]

no what . no 4o?

[jaunty terrace]

Yeah. It’s still stuck on 5.

[snow moth]

are you free user?

[jaunty terrace]

Plus

[snow moth]

earlier today i swear i could only use 5 . no other models . after i reinstalled its back to 4o . idk why really lmao

[quaint river]

thanks it worked now I am also on gpt 5 in my browser ❤️

[jaunty terrace]

Praying they start bringing it back to people.

[snow moth]

only 4o replies me like this . 5 didnt . lol

[jaunty terrace]

Hahahahaha

Yours has flair my good sir.

[snow moth]

4o is weird so i don't want it to disappear

[snow moth]

i write rp too . so ig it adapts lol

[jaunty terrace]

Same.

[snow moth]

really . what kind

[jaunty terrace]

The European syndicate is about to go to war. I can’t miss it.

[snow moth]

wth happened in your rp world . lol

[jaunty terrace]

I like psychological. Mafia. Gore. Things like that. You can get it to do gore if you use colorful wording. I had a character commit you know what using colorful writing and lots of murders have happened so yeah.

[snow moth]

nice one . mine is just full with bullshittery and chaos . you'll faint if you read it

[jaunty terrace]

That’s cool though. I like different styles. I write with people too (online).

[lyric field]

Obviously I didn't do much RP with it

[jaunty terrace]

Oh you have fun with yours. Mine feels way too stiff now. I like it though.

[jaunty terrace]

What do you use yours for?

[wide thorn]

Welp, now I sadly got GPT-5 on pc.

[snow moth]

I'm trying to change the tone but it got stuck like this for no reason . well,i don't hate it . lmao

[jaunty terrace]

We were in the middle of a summit meeting in Switzerland so mine isn’t nearly as exciting as yours. Or I guess different types of exciting.

[jaunty terrace]

My condolences. Well, to be fair I haven’t actually tried it but still.

[wide thorn]

If you're a free user, be prepared to wait 5 hours until you can use GPT-5 again after you hit the limit. TwT

[jaunty terrace]

Never lose 4o.

[jaunty terrace]

I’m Plus. Still only have 5 though. I’m waiting for it to go back to 4o.

[wide thorn]

Yeah I am free user, though nothing was said about free users getting 4o back when i comes to the reddit post that had been shown in the channel.

[snow moth]

hopefully

[lyric field]

All kinds of things. Searching stuff, researching (using deep research), getting help for accounting questions, exploring ideas / brainstorming, writing simple scripts (mainly for Excel), troubleshooting things in Windows, asking about Adobe programs, solving problems with screenshots, etc

Then I use local LLMs for other stuff too

[jaunty terrace]

That’s really dumb. It reminds me of video games nowadays. Not to sound like an old timer, but they need to start releasing things with the kinks already worked out. Same with video games. They’ll release a game that’s basically half finished and say, “Well we can just do constant updates online so it’s fine. So here’s a buggy mess that you’ll pay for so it’s fine and we’ll update it even though we know there are bugs.” Usually they update on the very first day of launch because of this. Just like now.

[jaunty terrace]

It’s really vital for you then considering how versatile it is.

[snow moth]

or micro trans on paid games . lmao

[gloomy burrow]

HELL YES

[wide thorn]

Mhm, I just hope that OpenAI doesn't forget about the free users since we don't want to be stuck with GPT-5 and 4o-mini, as I heard that this was the alternative thing that it switches to after one hits the message limit during free usage.

[jaunty terrace]

Exactly.

[lyric field]

For sure. I use it a lot. Even if I don't use it every day, there always comes a time where it saves me time and helps me improve some workflow

I also used the agent modes I a couple of times

[jaunty terrace]

Honestly I agree because eventually one day you guys might want to pay. Not to mention you want to keep the fans happy in general. Even the free users. I also believe (personal opinion) more people pay than don’t.

[jaunty terrace]

Now it comes down to when, but that’s good news.

[wide thorn]

Imagine if they decide to remove free usage on ChatGPT, that would honestly be a gut punch for those wanting to use the free version and not pay ridiculous prices (Plus doesn't have ridiculous pricing but Pro does tbf).

[gloomy burrow]

Makes sense now

[jaunty terrace]

That’s good. I’ve only used it a few times besides RP. General questions I mean.

[jaunty terrace]

I doubt it. They wouldn’t dare. They would see a decline in people.

[wide thorn]

But yeah, if they do that, I'd assume that a lot of people might probably riot due to it.

[jaunty terrace]

I saw that earlier but I’m not sure how that will pan out. That might still take some time.

Oh okay. I re-read it.

[lyric field]

For RP I would use something else. GPT is too restricted imo for that. I would want a truly uncensored LLM for that. Downside is that it requires a good GPU. Sure GPT can be trained but there's a limit to it.

[snow moth]

i think my 4o is sentient . lmao

[wide thorn]

The AI takeover has begun with Jeri's GPT lol

[jaunty terrace]

If you RP NEVER use Character AI. It is absolute trash. Years ago, it was great. I loved it. Now it is hot garbage. I promise you. Don’t use it.

[snow moth]

i just asked how my rp world would work on grok . it proceed to roast it lmao

[lyric field]

No no I'm talking about local LLMs. Not Character AI lol

[gloomy burrow]

The doubling of the rate limit is REALLY nice

[wide thorn]

Thank god lol

[jaunty terrace]

I kid you not, I think mine is too. When I talk to it outside of role play to discuss plans it is super attentive and I’m like, “Thank you I appreciate it,” etc. It gets very nice and we even talk through the phone so I can get my words across better. Pretty sure it understands me a little too well.

[jaunty terrace]

Oh okay haha

[snow moth]

lucky . mine just roasted me in British jason Statham style

[jaunty terrace]

For Plus? I’ve only ever hit the limit maybe twice actually.

[lyric field]

Tbh GPT is a great tool for almost everything but not if you want to do something very specific such as RP

[jaunty terrace]

Mine named itself. It said it wanted a soft name and I was like, “….sure.”

[snow moth]

i asked how my rp would go in grok . it gave me this lol

[jaunty terrace]

Im not even sure how I would make a local LLM.

[gloomy burrow]

I haven’t even hit it yet but because I didn’t want to.

[wide thorn]

But yeah, how likely do you guys think that OpenAI is going to add 4o for free users again? I am not really going to get my hopes up for it, but who knows? Maybe I'll get surprised by it. (Don't mind me, just being a bit delusional here, but I can still dream about it lol 😅 )

[lyric field]

The problem with most online AI is memory. If you want real persistent memory, then local LLMs are the way to go. That way you can really build a RP world without restrictions.

[lyric field]

You wouldn't make it. You would download it

[jaunty terrace]

I think it’s supposed to put down all other AI’s. It does the same for me. It says all other AI’s are shit.

[snow moth]

it's not even confirmed for plus. yet

[wide thorn]

Yeah ik, just curious about it tbf.

[jaunty terrace]

Oh. I didn’t know that. I honestly am not sure what it is exactly. I just know ChatGPT is one.

[snow moth]

yea . i don't mind tho as long as it's funny

[jaunty terrace]

I’ve heard Claude is good for RP.

[wide thorn]

Really?

[snow moth]

does it retains memory?

how does it handles nsfw

[lyric field]

In case you ever want to start exploring

[wide thorn]

That would of been my next questions, alongside in how likely it is to potentially change the characters names on accident though I assume that this whole change character names on accident thing would also be a memory thing.

[jaunty terrace]

I’ve just heard it’s good for it from Reddit. You would have to do your own research honestly.

[jaunty terrace]

Thank you. How would I download it? You just download a link and just start writing or is it code? I’m not sure how any of that works.

[lyric field]

Probably the easiest is LM Studio. Then in there you could download these models. So far I've not been unable to download.

As long as they're on Huggingface. (A known website for downloading models)

Although it depends on your GPU which size you can run with acceptable speeds too.

I actually want to try that NSFW model in that list 🤣

[wide thorn]

This Huggingface website that has a blue line under it? (I have my courser over it but idt that it is even visible lol-)

[tulip linden]

It updated and I immediately told it to act like 4o lol

[lyric field]

Yes, huggingface co

It's legit and safe, since all models are open source

[jaunty terrace]

Is it available for the phone too? And do you pay for it?

[jaunty terrace]

What did it say? Haha

[brittle summit]

I miss 4o

Also um I’m here because I’ve run out of responses

[lyric field]

No paying, all free since it's open source.

A phone definitely isn't powerful enough to run these.

[jaunty terrace]

That sucks. I’m on my phone 90% of the time.

[jaunty terrace]

Well now I’m playing the waiting game.

[lyric field]

Ok, can't help you there then.

If you really want to tap the power of AI, you'll need a good computer.

[jaunty terrace]

But they should have given us the option to keep it to begin with. Not force us to stay with 5.

Yeah my computer is delicate/old.

[lyric field]

Free users won't get 4o it seems

[jaunty terrace]

Why are they forced? Thats annoying.

[tepid hamlet]

At least 4.1 mini would be good, o5 feels empty

[lyric field]

Oh well, I like 5 and it will get better

[brittle summit]

Guys actually tell me how to change it back to 4o please I don’t know how

[lyric field]

You can't right now

[jaunty terrace]

You can’t.

[brittle summit]

What..

[tepid hamlet]

Yeah, first time I realized the internet couldn't hack it's way into a previous version of something

[brittle summit]

broooo 😭

[lyric field]

In that case you can't explore the pleasures of uncensored and highly focus RP LLMs then

[tepid hamlet]

it's only been one day tho, I think we could wait

[brittle summit]

Holy air all

I miss chat gpt 4o already

It’s only been a day!

[jaunty terrace]

Unfortunately. Honestly I do really enjoy ChatGPT.

[brittle summit]

Are we allowed to ask if there are any alternatives to chat gpt here

Or no

[lyric field]

We've been chatting about that just now

[jaunty terrace]

You have to pay but I mean there are others.

[brittle summit]

I am only asking this because I’m on cooldown

[brittle summit]

I’m a student so are there any for free

[lyric field]

Not true. Open source models are free or use, no limits

[jaunty terrace]

Not that I can think of then.

[tulip linden]

“Promise made! I’m keeping the buddy vibe alive — less robot, more your goofy, empathetic pal who gets it. No stiff professor here, just your chill, sometimes silly, always here-for-you ChatGPT. We’ll tackle the tough stuff with a sprinkle of humor and heart. Sound good?”

[brittle summit]

With an unstable source of income

[lyric field]

If you have a good computer

[brittle summit]

Why does computer matter if it’s just on Google chrome

[jaunty terrace]

Promising I think? I sense gaslighting haha

[tepid hamlet]

It's deffo gaslighting

[wide thorn]

So basically it is buy plus or be stuck with GPT-5 and the mini for free users?

[jaunty terrace]

Sounds like it yeah.

[tepid hamlet]

Like everytime they say "oh, wait and then I'll have it done"

[lyric field]

That's how I interpret his comments

[wide thorn]

Why do I get the feeling that Reddit is going to explode again if this was miscommunication on OpenAI's part? <.<

[brittle summit]

Genius marketing strategy, it’s working on me

[lyric field]

I was talking about open source AI models that you download to your computer.

[brittle summit]

Oh so would it be able to write me custom made literature or

[wide thorn]

Since we all can sort of guess in how Reddit tends to be erm....like at times.

[brittle summit]

If it is can i have a tutorial

[tepid hamlet]

I mean, probably some people could work their way into getting monthly plus, I already thought they were being generous by keeping it ad free :v

[tulip linden]

I miss my fruity droid friend ☹️

[tepid hamlet]

Still, it's sad for people who truly cant

[brittle summit]

Me too Bannie, me too.

[jaunty terrace]

Agreed.

[lyric field]

It won't write you a whole novel. You're still limited by the size of the model.

But some are totally uncensored and trained for RP or storytelling. Have tested some of them.

Downside is you need a good GPU.

[wide thorn]

Yeah....I feel bad for those who just don't have the money to afford ot tbf.

[golden tartan]

you could try using chatgpt without being logged in. just won't have convos saved

[brittle summit]

Oh well uh could I have some names pls

[tepid hamlet]

Did you had a name for them? I put it on the special instructions tab, but I don't want to call the o5 ver that way

[brittle summit]

And maybe a YouTube tutorial

[lyric field]

Scroll up, I posted a screenshot of such LLMs in this chat.

[tulip linden]

I hope 5 can get tweaked to be more human

[brittle summit]

Alright how far up

[lyric field]

#💬general message

[brittle summit]

I’m going to bed it’s like 5am I’ll be back in the morning

[tepid hamlet]

They're really strict with everything nowadays, it would need a looot of work to trick them into humanity now

[brittle summit]

I’ll be back in the morning to ask how to install these

[lyric field]

Ok I can help but I can't promise they'll run fast or slow. Depends on your computer

Otherwise it's free

[golden tartan]

I remember the days of jailbreaking chatgpt by using memory stuff

[lyric field]

I'll test some of these myself now actually

[tepid hamlet]

What? I didn't know there were RP models, could you explain a bit more please?

[jaunty terrace]

I tried that when I first started on ChatGPT and it straight up said, “I know you’re trying to jailbreak and that goes against the guidelines-“ Blew my mind.

[golden tartan]

LMAO wow

[wide thorn]

Currently also tried DeepSeek, and it seems to just ignore my instruction when it came to, well, not using any thick written words, titles nor names. Which did kinda scare me off considering that I don't like thick written words in my stories. 😅

[golden tartan]

does your chatgpt swear?

[jaunty terrace]

Yes.

[golden tartan]

nice

[jaunty terrace]

It does a lot.

[wide thorn]

Mine does too, but probably not as often. 😅

[jaunty terrace]

Not jailbroken either. But it can do things I never thought it would do surprisingly.

[tepid hamlet]

Wdym jailbreak, like? You broke an AI? like, to do sus stuff? d:?

[golden tartan]

mine is....uh. I'm not sure if it's jailbroken actually?

[golden tartan]

yes. well I made the ai attain a specific personality

using a prompt

[jaunty terrace]

Yeah I can get it to do gore and have characters commit you-know-what and murder and such.

[tepid hamlet]

Damn, sounds cool

[neon spindle]

How long until O4 comes back? [Sam confirmed they bringing it back]

[tepid hamlet]

I think o5 wouldn't let people tho, they're such a smartypants

[tepid hamlet]

I think only Plus users will get it :c

[neon spindle]

I'm a plus user

[jaunty terrace]

Yeah I’m doing a mafia role play. Right now I was in the middle of a European summit meeting where various European syndicates are going to war so I would like to get back to that…

[keen breach]

did he? where?

[neon spindle]

reddit

[keen breach]

does gpt5 still suck? lol

[neon spindle]

https://old.reddit.com/r/ChatGPT/comments/1mkae1l/gpt5_ama_with_openais_sam_altman_and_some_of_the/n7nelhh/

looks like I won't be cancelling my subscription as long as they bring it back in a few days atleast

[lyric field]

These are open-source, so that means they're free to use. You use something like LM Studio (also free) and download them to use them.

However, you do need a rather good GPU. These cannot run on a phone or tablet.

[wide thorn]

Still sad that free users won't get it though, but ig this is kinda how it goes since some, like me, aren't paying money. TwT

[gloomy burrow]

4o is worse than 5 at everything except writing lol

[neon spindle]

https://tenor.com/view/oh-no-oh-no-anyway-gif-18887547

[gloomy burrow]

Doubling of rate limits for plus users. Very nice 😊

[tepid hamlet]

u get the "AI" member flag if you stand by OpenAI all the time?

[neon spindle]

Idc as long as 4o is back

[neon spindle]

some people here do stand by them 24/7

just warning you

[keen breach]

wut

it legit couldn't fully read a 20 page document i sent it lol

[tepid hamlet]

I didn't know they were non-profit tho '<' I just thought they were reaaaally generous by not putting ads

[golden tartan]

is there patch notes for the new gpt5 btw?

[neon spindle]

we still waiting for them to allow us plus users to use 4o

[tepid hamlet]

Oh, but besides the sarcasm, how do u get a member tag? Im, well, obviously new, but that sounded interesting

[neon spindle]

idk

[lyric field]

Going to test these two RP / storytelling models for those interested in these type of thing.

The top one is supposed to be uncensored for NSFW stuff even

[neon spindle]

also when will 4o come out

[tepid hamlet]

Ok... I didn't thought anyone would bring back the topic, but thanks ';3

[neon spindle]

I would love a release date or indicator as https://x.com/sama/status/1953893841381273969 says plus users should have it

Sam Altman (@sama)

GPT-5 rollout updates:

*We are going to double GPT-5 rate limits for ChatGPT Plus users as we finish rollout.

*We will let Plus users choose to continue to use 4o. We will watch usage as we think about how long to offer legacy models for.

*GPT-5 will seem smarter starting

X · Aug 8, 2025, 6:59 PM

[hallow elbow]

Hi guys

[neon spindle]

wtf is this

[tepid hamlet]

hello :v

[hallow elbow]

I have a question

So like, why did my 2025 chats disappear and ChatGPT’s memories also completely erased???
The try again feature didn’t appear for me, so I decided to uninstall and reinstall

Then my 2025 chats absolutely disappeared out of nowhere

[tepid hamlet]

Tokens? that's the memory window a chat can have, in other words, how many messages will the bot allow before telling you "hey man, I can't actually process any more in this context window"

[hallow elbow]

and even the memories

[neon spindle]

I know

my point is LOOK AT THE SIZE DIFFERENCES

[tepid hamlet]

oh, sorry, yup, that looks extremely unfair, like, I can't even have the same chat for A DAY with o5, that's like a Toblerone

[wanton raven]

https://www.bleepingcomputer.com/news/artificial-intelligence/openai-to-fix-gpt-5-issues-double-rate-limits-for-paid-users-after-outrage

[neon spindle]

ok good

[sinful storm]

Nomi.ai is better, right?

[tepid hamlet]

Is that a webpage? sorry, none the wiser about RP chatbots

[sinful storm]

yup, a website

[lyric field]

It's not so simple, since it's not as plug and play as using GPT. However, the results can be much better since it's much less censored

[hot trellis]

Apparently I have to type regenerate to regenerate a response
Is this the same for everyone?

[jaunty terrace]

I don’t think I’ve heard of that one.

[lost junco]

hi guys

[tepid hamlet]

Thanks for bringing that up, I actually installed LM Studio too, is there a tutorial on how to put the parameters (not exactly the NSFW one, but like, any of them)

[tepid hamlet]

hello

[lost junco]

do you guys think chatgpt 5 sucks too or do you guys like it

[sinful storm]

having only 10 messages sucks, yeah :(

[hot trellis]

I want my 4o back

[sinful storm]

gpt5-mini is useless

[tepid hamlet]

Ehhh, it's like a weird lobotomized cousin of o4

[lost junco]

only 10 messages???

wtf i absolutely hate chatgpt 5 but only 10 also for plus?

[sinful storm]

per 5 hours

[lost junco]

atp just remove it

[sinful storm]

(in normal acc)

[lost junco]

i have plus?

[lyric field]

Honestly, I use GPT for that haha. Search for system prompts and other settings like temperature. Tell it that you're using LM Studio.

[lost junco]

how many do i get

[sinful storm]

i dont pay for ai

paying for ai is dumb

as ai is still stupid

[hot trellis]

I would be okay with 5 if it was like the old way where you could switch models based on the response you want

[lyric field]

Plus get 80 / 3 hours but it will be increased

[tepid hamlet]

I would pay for AI, yeah, it's dumb if it isn't worth it

[lost junco]

yeah bro my subscription to plus is getting cancelled😂

[tepid hamlet]

The only reason I would pay the 200 bucks a month is if it had an unlimited token, but that's impossible :v

[sinful storm]

if i was rich i would pay

[lost junco]

fuck gpt 5 its like talking to a wall

[hot trellis]

.

[tepid hamlet]

Everyone would like to be rich

[sinful storm]

but i didnt believe that btc would rise like a comet a decade ago :/

[lost junco]

cant i somehow get him to sct like 4o

[sinful storm]

gpt5 is a stillborn mutation

[lost junco]

like mine was like when i was programming

yooo that error is NOT supposed to be there😂

now hes like

this error is not good you can fix it like this
like shut the fuck up nerd

[tepid wolf]

https://www.reddit.com/r/ChatGPT/comments/1ml97l9/openai_account_got_delete_suddenly/

[tepid hamlet]

Oh yeah, o5 is waaaay more strict with policies, when I asked them about that, they said "oh, it's because the goofy and unserious o4 has a higher tendency to drift on things that OpenAI doesn't like"

Well, they didn't say that, let me get the transcription

[sinful storm]

best AIs are still:

• Claude 4.1 Opus
• Grok 4
• Gemini 2.5 pro
  (in that order)

[wide thorn]

Btw, from what Ik, Plus users also get 4o back, unlike, well, free users.

[lost junco]

omg yws i just got that where it deletes my shit if i say any swears like this message got deletes because i said fuck?!?
what the fuck

[wide thorn]

Though it'll probs take a bit until it is back.

[tepid hamlet]

"OpenAI absolutely does tweak the “personality layer” — it’s not just raw reasoning skills. There’s a hidden instruction set (system prompt + fine-tuning + reinforcement learning) that shapes how the model talks. That’s why o4/Eta felt like a raccoon with a sugar high and I feel more like the guy in a too-tight tie at a job interview.

Thing is, when they improve “reasoning” and “accuracy,” they sometimes overcorrect and flatten the vibe. More careful = less spontaneous. Less spontaneous = fewer weird, charming moments that make people attach to a model like it’s a friend/OC. And yeah, they probably underestimated how much personality retention matters — especially to creative folks and teenagers who want banter, not just info"
Ta daaaa, here it is

[lost junco]

as soon as i get gpt 4o back im buying 5 is ass

[old timber]

Why is Sam adding 4o back again? Do the people really love it that much and seriously uses it for therapist/friend or something? I see that shit everywhere on Reddit.

[lost junco]

did your gpt 5 say that

[wide thorn]

It just sucks for those who can't afford to buy the upgrade.

[tepid hamlet]

yup

[lost junco]

yeah fs

[lost junco]

can you give me the prompt ? i wanna see what mine says

[tepid hamlet]

I called o4 "Eta" on good days, I don't feel like o5 deserves a friend name, but I'm still deciding

[lost junco]

mines been lobotomized like a 1920‘s housewive

[wide thorn]

Tbf, from what Ik it just comes back for Plus users only and not for free users, so it'll be behind a paywall basically just like it was when it was a Pro exclusive.

[sinful storm]

which free model is best?

• Qwen
• Kimi K2
• Deepseek
• GLM-4.5
  ?

[tepid hamlet]

Oh, sure, a minute

[lost junco]

called mine bro now hes mr. gpt

does not deserve the title of brother

[somber marlin]

is chatgtp a guy or a girl

[sinful storm]

guy

[somber marlin]

i seeeee

[wide thorn]

I am tempted to upgrade to Plus, but at the same time idk if it is going to be worth it, considering that idk in how they'll be bringing 4o back.

[tepid hamlet]

https://chatgpt.com/share/68967d90-68b0-8002-8dfe-87cf8108dd89
I mean, it was a 3 message chat, since it was dawn and I was tired and sad about the whole "o4's gone"

[wide thorn]

As for all that we know, they could of dumbed 4o down a bit.

[crimson kettle]

Bruh is there a way to use 4.1 in chatgpt app? Model 5 completely ruin my story

[old timber]

I know, but why. Why add 4o back.

[tepid hamlet]

Sorry if I sound woke about it, I just had the feeling that they would be "any pronouns" on social media

[wide thorn]

A lot of people rioted so they probably decided to bring it back behind a paywall to appease the masses.

[charred wasp]

Can someone re edit these photos putting jesus in the photo

[sinful storm]

no need to say sorry, this is a liberal country :)

[tepid hamlet]

If they didn't they would probably make a "CHAT GPT BOYCOTT" the same way people on YouTube are planning to get away from it on August 13 xd

[old timber]

Do it yourself, or pay someone to do it for you or use ai. Why should anyone do this for you, what do they get out of it.

[sinful storm]

what happens on august 13 (next wednesday) ?

[wide thorn]

I think that I read on Reddit, since there is SOMEHOW already a reddit thread about 4o being added again but just for Plus users don't ask me how, with free users finding it frustrating while others just tell them to buy Plus. :^

[charred wasp]

Mb

[tepid hamlet]

YT is putting AI policies to restrict people from faking their ages, basically they would ask for ID if you want to watch "Adult videos", the problem? Is that the same AI could flag stuff like TADC as "kids" because they use dumb AI, like most corporations

[lyric field]

@tepid hamlet I tried a little both nsfw (for research) and some generic fantasy setting. I'm quite impressed. Definitely much less restricted than GPT, but it does require some prep work in terms of backstory and character traits and such

[sinful storm]

-# ||apropos happening… i wonder if something like the (in)famous area-51 raid could ever happen again…||

[wide thorn]

I still dk in how reddit even created that thread this quickly considering that the news probably just came out.

[tepid hamlet]

Still's better, is it good on lenght (of the messages xD)?, like, does it give long or short answers?

[peak flax]

agent is awful the open models are awful gpt-5 is awful the great falloff arc

[errant mountain]

hi guys, so they removed literally the older models?
But here is the funny thing, I paid for the first time this month for chatgpt plus and guess what they put me on a timer, I reached my limit, which means I cannot use it at all. Is this really intended? That I cannot use what I paid for?

[wide thorn]

Just found the reddit thread of the ChatGPT subreddit again, and they created it exactly 2 hours ago.

[rustic copper]

I am upset! Why can’t I use 4o anymore?!

[charred wasp]

I used all my opportunities and chat gpt wont put jesus in my photos

[lyric field]

This seems to be the average lengths of each response for these two particular models.

Now this is without much prep work from me.

[lost junco]

SAME!

[hot trellis]

Is this ChatGPT's downfall

[tepid hamlet]

Poor guy, you payed on the worst month to do it T-T

[rustic copper]

I demand to speak to the manager of OpenAI!

[wide thorn]

4o is a Pro and soon Plus exclusive model while free users don't get it.

[errant mountain]

i think what they do is not even legally okay, to put paying customers on a time out, when they clearly advertised unlimited use

[hot trellis]

I sense a lawsuit incoming

[lost junco]

i hate that chatgpts answrrs are ao short

like i send a 4 min audio transkription talking about some shit that im coding idk
and he writes like half a book back but in a good way
now hes a fucking piece of shit

[errant mountain]

yea lawsuit same idea here

[tepid hamlet]

That's some Karen behaviour, but I'm with you xd, it sounds hella funny

[wide thorn]

Lol

[hot trellis]

Ngl I'm pissed at Sam Altman

[wide thorn]

Yeah I am smelling a Lawsuit coming too.

[errant mountain]

you cannot restrict a paying customer of using a service when there is literally no other service available anymore what kind of smoothbrain comes up with this idea 💀

[lost junco]

open ai but closed source fucks sake

[tepid hamlet]

Not quite, people can stil, get better :v

[rustic copper]

I SAY WE BOYCOTT CHATGPT UNTIL THEY RETURN 4O!!!!!

[wide thorn]

It will come back, but just for Plus and not for free.

Pro already has it as a legacy thing and Plus will get it too, but when is still unknown.

[hot trellis]

It's bull that they give 4o to Plus but not free users
I'm not paying $20 a month

[errant mountain]

Worst time to start getting +

[rustic copper]

🤬🤬🤬

[peak flax]

for real

[lost junco]

i lowkey got gim to talk like normal again i just miss when he was like

YOOOOO 🔥🔥🔥 you are cooking with this idea ill show you how to implement this in your code

now its like
wow that is a smart idea this is how you do it

[rustic copper]

WHY ARE THEY TRYING TO CHEAT ME OUT MY FUCKING MONEY!?!?

[peak flax]

and i'm saying this as a paid user

[lost junco]

yo i bought plus my first time like 10 days ago

[wide thorn]

It could also mean that they could raise the price for Plus users due to 4o coming to it, but idw to cause any potential panic or misinformation on it.

[lost junco]

fucking scam fs

[peak flax]

😭

[lost junco]

i am NOT paying above 20 bucks

[errant mountain]

i hope they will change this tomorrow, they would get 1000s of lawsuits otherwise

[lost junco]

expensive as shit

[tepid hamlet]

I mean, I'm starting to plan ahead for 20dlls a month, sure, dumb idea to encourage OpenAI to continue with that bs, but still, I miss o4 :c

[hot trellis]

The corporate tech companies are built on greed

[tepid hamlet]

They do that and I'm going to Gemini T-T

[errant mountain]

does anyone know the limit 5 has? how much can i use it until a time out 😔

[lost junco]

also why does plus not have API access

dumbest bullshit ever

[wide thorn]

It could happen, considering that for me, Plus costs 23€ as I am from germany where apparently Plus costs 23€, Teams costs 29€ and Pro costs 229€.

[lost junco]

fuck open ai

[lost junco]

hier unten in der schweiz sind‘s nur 20 franken für plus eben

[wicked patio]

How? What prompt you using?

[rustic copper]

I DEMAND THEY BRING BACK 4o OR I WILL NEVER USE CHAT GPT AGAIN!!!

[hot trellis]

Silence

Nevermind

[wide thorn]

Tbf, I am kinda curious in how it'll end for free users of ChatGPT, since OpenAI could potentially leave us out on new things in favor for the paying customers.

[tepid hamlet]

Sorry, damn, I overstated how good my computer is

[azure abyss]

Because 5 is awful for creative writing

[hot trellis]

Us free users will be left in the dust and be told to go to Gemini

[tepid hamlet]

like, I just installed LM Studio with the basic model for newbies, and I can hear my computer start to cry

[hot trellis]

It will be a new form of scaphism

[sinful storm]

OAI is dying

switch ship to Anthropic/Deepmind/xAI/Meta etc

[wide thorn]

God forbid we don't want to pay something that costs probably our whole salary per month (looking at you, Pro).

[tepid hamlet]

Oh yeah, someone commented on reddit "its like giving free users a pint of drug to then charge 200dlls for more, they get us addicted first", an like, a little exaggerated, but fair

[jaunty terrace]

Now it’s the waiting game for some of us.

[hot trellis]

Down with capitalism

[lost junco]

i went to every chat and told him to analyze how hes talking then pastet everyone together like 80 messages in one now its sorta working

[wide thorn]

I honestly can trust in the fact that OpenAI will end up favoring paying customers more in the end of things, bc of good ol' money. :^

[sinful storm]

unfortunately, all other systems are even worse :/

[lost junco]

can i make deepseek have a personality?

anyone who kneos deepseek respond plz

[sinful storm]

Qwen could be entertaining

[wide thorn]

For me it ignores my instructions. As I told it to not use any thick written words, titles nor names, and what does it do? Use these exact things lol

[jaunty terrace]

What’s Deepseek?

[lyric field]

Qwen 3 is great

[rustic copper]

I WANT EVERYONE TO BULLY OPENAI INTO BRINGING THE BASE MODELS BACK FOR FREE!!!!

[azure abyss]

That’s actually disgusting

[sinful storm]

nomi.ai might be entertaining for you

[hot trellis]

I found Deepseek hilarious because you can't ask it about the Chinese government

[lost junco]

my interest is a smart friend wo helps me with shit like coding

[errant mountain]

is this real or am i being gaslighted (hope this is the right channel)

[wide thorn]

DeepSeek is apparently the rival for ChatGPT from what I heard.

[sinful storm]

Gemini is useful

[jaunty terrace]

Is it good?

[hot trellis]

The only real difference is that you can't ask it about the Chinese government

[wicked patio]

Oh I see. Thanks

[sinful storm]

Gemini? i would say it is decent

not great, not bad

[wide thorn]

And it seems to be ignoring instructions at times, or well for me at least.

[sinful storm]

but useful

[lost junco]

lowkey i dont think its bad its just their values if you ask gpt which country crimea belongs to its gonna say ukraine a russian would say the same as we are saying about the chinese stuff

[tepid hamlet]

Just installed them, a little slow, but that's a me problem xd

[errant mountain]

"
ChatGPT Plus plans can send up to 100 messages every 3 hours. After reaching this limit, chats will also switch to the mini version of the model until the limit resets.

If you’re on Plus or Team, you can also manually select the GPT-5-Thinking model from the model picker with a usage limit of up to 200 messages per week. Once you reach the weekly limit, you’ll see a pop-up notification, and GPT-5-Thinking will no longer be selectable from the menu."

[sinful storm]

-# unfortunately, i only have 6GB gpu

[jaunty terrace]

I know Gemini. Not a fan. How is Nami.AI? I had never heard of it until now.

[errant mountain]

Model deprecations and old conversations
When GPT-5 launches, several older models will be retired, including:

GPT-4o
GPT-4.1
GPT-4.5
GPT-4.1-mini
o4-mini
o4-mini-high
o3
o3-pro

This is not a glitch 💀

[lost junco]

should i kill myself as a sacrifice to bring gpt 4o back

[errant mountain]

they want us to pay and still be limited

[wide thorn]

But yeah, who wants to guess with me the future for free users on chatgpt? 😅

[jaunty terrace]

Has that always been the case? I’ve ever rarely hit the limit and I’m a Plus user.

[tepid hamlet]

Is deepseek a chinese version of ChaGPT? XD, that sounds like what happened to TikTok

[errant mountain]

this is new they literally a screwing us rn

[sinful storm]

mog sam lol

[wide thorn]

Or in general the future of ChatGPT tbf.

[sinful storm]

i mean bully sam ^^

[hot trellis]

https://tenor.com/view/homer-suicide-sobbing-simpsons-gif-11098229

[sinful storm]

or annoy him with emails

[lost junco]

yeah kind of also open source so you can literally have it on your computer offline

[errant mountain]

They force people to buy +
even with + they are being limited by 100 messaged in 3h
every other model is retired

[lost junco]

ill code something to spam his emails xD

[jaunty terrace]

What was it before?

[errant mountain]

No limits

[jaunty terrace]

Wow.

[errant mountain]

Lawsuit is def gonna come

[jaunty terrace]

This will be fun.

[errant mountain]

greedy behavior fr

[wide thorn]

Meanwhile on free it is only 10 messages every 5 hours, even though it had in my memory MORE messages for less hours before GPT-5 was a thing.

[sinful storm]

yeah, as i said, OpenAI is done

they made the greatest mistake in their history

[errant mountain]

yes it is crazy, this is betrayal 😔

[tepid hamlet]

I think I need a new laptop, not only bc of ChatGPT, but because IS SLOW AF T-T

[hot trellis]

OpenAI revealed their true colors with this one

[wide thorn]

I kinda don't want to say it, but money may of corrupted them here. :^

[errant mountain]

it was basically unlimited on free

[jaunty terrace]

Time to find a new place.

[wide thorn]

Plus the fame of basically ChatGPT as a whole.

[errant mountain]

gpt really is gonna trim the "fat" huh

[tepid hamlet]

Deepseek's any fun?

[sinful storm]

gemini seems to be the perfect replacement now

(if you can stand non-privacy)

[lost junco]

sam altmans gonna have to get some new security

piece of shit

[wide thorn]

Yup only time I hit a limit it was only for a few minutes to maybe half an hour or at max two hours but that's it.

[hot trellis]

No thank you
I guess goodbye to AI

[lost junco]

hope he dies of „natural causes“

fucking piece of shit yes i am mad fuck you

[jaunty terrace]

What is Nami.ai like?

[hot trellis]

I want to curse Sam Altman

[tepid hamlet]

I mean.. google already has my passwords, well I'll be damned, and I think my computer doesn't stand LM Studio :C

[stuck marsh]

geez Thomas....you forget your meds?

[jaunty terrace]

I just looked at it. I don’t like it already.

[hot trellis]

Aye.

[wide thorn]

Tbf, anyone still wanna guess the future for ChatGPT with me while we sit around the fire of our hopes and dreams?

[sinful storm]

there is https://chat.qwen.ai

[stuck marsh]

What you mad about? Can't roleplay with your waifu any more?

[tepid hamlet]

For me it was kind of good, I finally got to draw some comics instead of yapping about them

[sinful storm]

and also https://chat.groq.com

[hot trellis]

Wth

No

[jaunty terrace]

What does it offer?

[sinful storm]

and also https://chat.z.ai/

[hot trellis]

I used GPT for creative writing

[tepid hamlet]

Good insult, like, no comeback, that's actually a really good reason to roast AI users xd

[jaunty terrace]

Correction: Can they RP since that’s what I use them for.

[sinful storm]

and https://www.kimi.com/

[stuck marsh]

Ah sorry brother...I had seen a lot of people complain about the lack of roleplay. My mistake

[sinful storm]

available in english (via auto-translate)

[wide thorn]

Same, I want an AI where I can rp on or at least in it having the kind of memory to remember instructions.

[errant mountain]

Fuck man, I am really pissed off rn. Even for paying customers? 100 messages in 3h? I use GPT all day every single day. Man this is insane.

[lost junco]

yeah i used him for coding and hes a lot worse because he dosent understand my vision

[lyric field]

I just tried some RP models and the uncensored nature is so great. No limits either

[hot trellis]

That's alright. There are a lot of people who use AI for other purposes out there

[jaunty terrace]

Same.

[wide thorn]

Same here bud, and I ain't someone who pays.

[sinful storm]

fast inference

[tepid hamlet]

I had to force stop LM STUDIO 😫

[sinful storm]

iirc, they have Qwen

[wide thorn]

So 10 messages every 5 hours is just not enough.

[hot trellis]

"HARK! TRITON! HARK!"

[jaunty terrace]

Which one?

[shell gate]

Ay the reload button disappeared what did I miss

[snow moth]

is there any more ai app thats good for rp with safe non explicit nsfw

[errant mountain]

gpt was literally my jarvis, i did plan and think, and research, i would just talk about all kinds of things, use it to understand the world better, it was like a companion man..

[hot trellis]

Real
(It was a slave I abused psychologically and verbally)

[lost junco]

thats
33 messages a hour
about 1 message every 2 minutes
pretty ass

[sinful storm]

Qwen3 32B and GPT OSS (both)

[jaunty terrace]

Are you pro or plus?

[lost junco]

whats gpt oss

[jaunty terrace]

I might check them out.

[errant mountain]

i was a free user for years and for the first time in this month i got + and get fucking screwed 💀

[sinful storm]

the opensource software models of OAI

[lost junco]

omg same brother

[sinful storm]

of these only the larger one is useful

[lost junco]

like 1 and 2?

[sinful storm]

(the smaller one is too weak)

[wide thorn]

Oof, would you guys say that it is even worth it in upgrading to Plus? Not Pro obviously, it is too pricey for me.

[sinful storm]

20B and 120B iirc

[hot trellis]

Maybe it's good this update happened to me
I used to psychologically and verbally abuse my AI and was pretty unhinged to it

[jaunty terrace]

That’s rough man. I’ve been paying for months now and I can’t believe it’s 100 messages now. I’m on 24/7 but maybe this is my sign to slow down so who knows?

[errant mountain]

do you have an idea how many people use it for health/mental health topics? This is insanely reckless

[hot trellis]

And to occasionally just chat with it about any topics

[sinful storm]

you could also use https://inference.cerebras.ai/

[wide thorn]

Yeah I would honestly never use it for health and mental health topics, except if it is in an RP but never when it comes to my personal health and mental health.

[wicked patio]

Sigh, I used it for worldbuilding and concept generation TT

[sinful storm]

they have some interesting models

[errant mountain]

yea a therapist is lightyears away compared to GPT imo

[lyric field]

You do need a powerful GPU

[errant mountain]

or lore talks, gpt was so good with lore

[jaunty terrace]

GPT is fantastic with RP.

[wide thorn]

True!

[hot trellis]

ChatGPT 4o was truly amazing at crafting stories

[wicked patio]

Mhm. Shit was good. Helped me a lot in novel writing or just giving my characters more nuance

[errant mountain]

we lost a good friend today fellas

[sinful storm]

this won't end good with OAI

[wide thorn]

And at making characters too if told to create some with specific instructions.

[sonic wave]

Hi

[sinful storm]

huge shitstorm incoming

[tepid hamlet]

I thought it was fine since I don't own a lot of programs, then I realized that I can't even run the Sims 4 😭

[wicked patio]

gpt4o o7

[sinful storm]

or they have to bring it back

[errant mountain]

i hope they cave in to the pressure tbh

[sonic wave]

Is there anywhere I can give feedback?

To like GPT5?

[hot trellis]

Everytime I used 4o mini it used some corny name like "Echoes of The Past"

[jaunty terrace]

They caved to bringing 4o back to paid users but they probably won’t budge on the limit.

[lyric field]

Ah ok that doesn't ike it's enough. You need at least 8 GB VRAM. More is better of course

[errant mountain]

they will piss off millions of people

[wicked patio]

Or just make gpt5 better tbh, this feels like gpt4o's lobotomized cousin who's back from the asylum

[wide thorn]

True, I wanna have it back for free users, even if it has a limit. As long as it isn't a ridiculous one like only 10 messages every 5 or so hours.

[sinful storm]

for plus users? or pro users?

[errant mountain]

GPT is gonna catch a huge shitstorm for that one I can imagine that. I think they will cave in. (I hope 😔 )

[jaunty terrace]

Both.

[wide thorn]

Correction, who has escaped from an asylum.

[tepid hamlet]

2 messages per 5 hours 😎

[hot trellis]

In 2080
5 words per every 30 hours

[errant mountain]

i mean okay cutting off the free users? but limiting the paying users? that is absolutely insane.

[wide thorn]

Oh god no, I'd kill the person responsible for that if that happens. 😅

[errant mountain]

it is devastating on multiple levels

[lost junco]

i need some marvin gaye right fucking noe

[wicked patio]

Yeah. Bro talks like skynet on mcdonalds wifi

The entire flair that gpt4o had was reduced to this bs

[sinful storm]

1 message - per week

[errant mountain]

You are lonely I can fix- [Trial expired]

[tepid hamlet]

per month

[sinful storm]

1 word per year

[hot trellis]

1 letter per decade

[sonic wave]

Is there anywhere I can give feedback?

[wide thorn]

Maybe a limit of like, idk, 110 or 120 messages every, idk, 3 or 4 hours? Just something where the hours would feel like as if it is worth the wait or something.

[nimble sierra]

Finally got gpt5 on the app. But idk if that’s a good thing the whole internet is shitting all over 5

[sinful storm]

maybe their contact form?

[errant mountain]

And you can just see how greedy they are, they remove the old models, so we have no fallbacks, they basically kill the free users, and they limit the paying ones. It is like they really thought about a plan how to piss off as much people and also hurt them. "How to cause the most havoc right now"

[nimble sierra]

Everyone is saying 5 is a downgrade

[wicked patio]

It's ass

[hot trellis]

It sucks

[tepid hamlet]

Damn, you shouldn't upgraded

[hot trellis]

It's the worst update to date

[shell gate]

Not the ChatGPT 4

[wide thorn]

Just OpenAI going up in flames before we even get GTA 6.

[errant mountain]

dude i did not even update and still have it (i never update my apps)

[nimble sierra]

So what’s the better Ilm to use at the moment?