💬│general

[green crystal]

Should be less than 1K tokens

Since some of them are counted as one token

[distant aurora]

1 token is 4 characters

[rugged idol]

1194 words

[distant aurora]

Including spaces I think.

[gloomy cipher]

That's a lot iam not sure if even lab can handle that but that means you need to do it Section by section.

[rugged idol]

but at the moment it will re-writte it, in the middle it will forget everything

[distant aurora]

1200 words

[green crystal]

https://platform.openai.com/tokenizer

[short narwhal]

^^ with files the context window is 32k

[distant aurora]

That's like 1 and a half page.

[green crystal]

Put it here to see how many tokens it is

[distant aurora]

A page is approx 750 words in my experience.

[rugged idol]

what model do i choose

[distant aurora]

4o

[rugged idol]

Tokens
1,582
Characters
7434

[green crystal]

Yeah that's pretty short

[distant aurora]

2 pages

[rugged idol]

so why does it still forget anything if the memory is 10% filled

[timber niche]

Idk if you saw this yet haha

[distant aurora]

Did you put just the intro or the whole book?

[distant aurora]

I'm telling you, he ain't real.

[timber niche]

Lmao

Sam and Dennis

[cobalt vale]

Sam is Dennis

[rugged idol]

a chapter (the intro) that i'm trying to be re-writted in a good way so i don't have to find the information acrosse the entier thing

because the entier course will be like this with way bigger texts

[distant aurora]

@cobalt vale is Gemini flash thinking unlimited for free tier?

[short narwhal]

Isn’t the rest of the context used for the search results

[distant aurora]

32k is for the whole chat including the files afaik.

[rugged idol]

and i don't want to adjust it myself, it's way too long to copy/past/re-writte/etc... everything
i thought ai were able to do this and follow instructions as basics as "don't touch the texte just move portions of it by theme and merge theme by theme in different parts"

[green crystal]

Pre prompt is separate?

[cobalt vale]

no idea, almost certainly no

[distant aurora]

Perplexity offering 1m on Gemini would be wild.

Considering their rate limits.

[green crystal]

I guess your course is maybe 100k tokens?

[distant aurora]

No. I meant it's included in the 32k even if files usually have a size based limit.

[distant aurora]

And non thinking?

[rugged idol]

i don't want it to re-writte the entier course. just chapter by chapter and keep the global course structure.
just re-writte each chapter structure

[green crystal]

2.5 flash is thinking

[short narwhal]

Yeah for the previous messages, then the rest is saved for search results I think

[green crystal]

It's just adaptive

[timber niche]

I just wish they explained better

[distant aurora]

Has a switch in ai studio. But not in Gemini I guess from what you are saying.

[distant aurora]

So is any model unlimited on Gemini rn? They got rid of the 2.0 models.

[green crystal]

Pro is limited to 25 per day iirc

[rugged idol]

so... my best chance is to try with o4 mini?

[distant aurora]

Your best chance is Gemini.

[timber niche]

I been saying

[distant aurora]

Don't bother with any other models.

[rugged idol]

so Gemini 2.5 pro?

@timber niche no you said Claude 4 Sonnet

[green crystal]

o4 mini is smart but long context recall it's not the best

[distant aurora]

That or flash. Use it natively.

[green crystal]

Oh on ppxl lol

[distant aurora]

Or through ai studio.

[timber niche]

Only pplx

[distant aurora]

32k won't fit your book. And splitting the chapters would be too much hassle for you.

[rugged idol]

but i don't want to spend an other subscription T.T so perplexity was the worst choice for my use?

[timber niche]

If you have to process long docs you'll need to process it though gemini on ai studio

[green crystal]

o4 mini on chatgpt is pretty good tbh

[timber niche]

To get the max tokens

[green crystal]

Well to a point that is

[distant aurora]

32k for plus. 128k max.

He has a big book.

[rugged idol]

i'm beyond frustrated at this point.
everyone say every model is the best for everything.
i'm totaly lost here.

[distant aurora]

As someone who uploaded a book recently to make a 500 question MCQ bank, I'll recommend google for this specific use case.

[green crystal]

It's 200k

[rugged idol]

and does google follow the instruction without doing its own thing / hallucinate / lost its memory randomly?

[cobalt vale]

2.5 Flash thinking is not available on Gemini app actually

[distant aurora]

Sorry, you were right.

No way O3 has lower context than o4 mini.

Didn't expect that.

[rugged idol]

why is it called mini while it's better? it's SO confusing!!

[cobalt vale]

not better

[distant aurora]

Cheaper. Less resource consuming, more cost effective.

[rugged idol]

uh

[distant aurora]

Bio weapon vs nuke scenario.

[rugged idol]

but i see the number

it's like a sniper with big memory then?

[distant aurora]

Ordinary user won't notice much difference, don't worry about it.

[rugged idol]

what

[distant aurora]

Between O3 and o4 mini high.

[rugged idol]

i'm 100% lost right now
so it's the same models across different platforms/websites but with different numbers????

[distant aurora]

Accuracy is nearly same.

[obsidian umbra]

Well it’s certainly noticeable, the quality is about the same for most average users tho

[distant aurora]

O3 just talks more.

[rugged idol]

like gemini with google, gemini with perplexity
GPT with openAI, GPT with perplexity

[distant aurora]

Fair

[rugged idol]

why both are so differents??

i'm so confused, my head hurt X.x

[obsidian umbra]

Gemini with google, and perplexity shouldn’t be super different

[distant aurora]

He needs context limit for big book.

[obsidian umbra]

NotebookLLM

Literally made for that

😭

[rugged idol]

but i'd read everywhere that gemini struggle to stay on track and hallucinate a lot

[distant aurora]

What's the difference between this and learn lm

[obsidian umbra]

Not sure

I’ve personally never used either, but my friends gf said it “sucked ass” after I suggested it

[rugged idol]

it's like everytone say different things about every plateform/models/good and bads things

[distant aurora]

You should be fine with theoretical stuff.

[distant aurora]

Lucky girl.

[timber niche]

Notebook lm is op

For learning

[obsidian umbra]

Every model struggles with something

And most of what you’re hearing is opinions

[rugged idol]

yeah, yeah
i was told ChatGPT website was good for this

i'd cancelled my subscription because it sucked so much at keep on tracks. hallucinate all the time

[obsidian umbra]

You cancled ur gpt sub?

[distant aurora]

Every model will hallucinate.

[rugged idol]

like it removed and added things to the course each time

[green crystal]

"In ChatGPT and the API, o3 and o4‑mini both have a 200k token context window, and max output tokens of 100k. "

[rugged idol]

totaly randomly

it wasn't about the memory at this point
it was just 100% stupid

[obsidian umbra]

Why not just try out Gemini

Or notebootLLM

Both are free

Afaik^^

[green crystal]

Welcome to chatgpt naming lol

[rugged idol]

it mixed the course + its old memories/training and random web sources.

ended in a super ugly chimeria course.

you don't want to see this.

again my head hurt rn.

I should try gemino or noteboot or earlier i was told to use claud

yeah everything is so perfect

everything is so amazing

[obsidian umbra]

Claude shouldn’t even be on the list

😭

[rugged idol]

yeah? ask Hero, he told me it was the best

[timber niche]

I told to use claude for best search results in pplx

Not for uploaded stuff

Just to be perfectly clear

[obsidian umbra]

For books?

Idk bout that

[green crystal]

A model perfectly editing an entire large document without much supervision is quite difficult

[obsidian umbra]

Doesn’t antropic use pplx for search

[rugged idol]

and it suck ass each time
still randomly merge random sources

[timber niche]

Not sure but for now i just told them to use claude 4 sonnet thinking to get the up-to-date results which is put together well

[green crystal]

You're still gonna have to use something like canvas in either chatgpt or gemini

[timber niche]

Now their requirement is different

[green crystal]

To selectively pick parts and tell the model what to do with those parts

[timber niche]

@rugged idol i would suggest you to learn about the models first

And then make your decision

[rugged idol]

so

[obsidian umbra]

Or don’t

Just try shit

Til it does what want

[timber niche]

And be pissy and hate life eh

[green crystal]

I don't think they have time for that

[distant aurora]

No, hero is right.

[rugged idol]

i need to buy a subscription for each thing?

[green crystal]

Eh

[timber niche]

First understand your requirement

[obsidian umbra]

If they don’t have time to bruteforcr trying models they don’t have time to learn about them all

[rugged idol]

and spend like thousands of € to find something that finaly work?

[timber niche]

What you need

[green crystal]

I'm not sure what the actual deadline is, but it seems like it's for a course they need to provide pretty soon

[obsidian umbra]

Gemini, and notebookLLM are both free for you to try

[timber niche]

What you will need ro achieve and expectations

Find the best tools to do that

Aka llms or ai

Which model is best for that use case

[obsidian umbra]

Sadge

[green crystal]

Gemini canvas is free

[timber niche]

Overview is enough

[distant aurora]

Bro calm down. Head to Google ai studio, or Gemini, try it and let us know how it goes. Google has the best memory but open ai and Deepseek are better when it comes to engineering or math problems.

[green crystal]

Try some editing there to get a feel for it

[obsidian umbra]

What sort of content are they working with anyways?

[rugged idol]

ok so i need to do google studio Notebook geminiLLM ai sadge ???

[green crystal]

Context isn't that large there but enough to see if you can work with that type of editing and decide on what to subscribe to

[timber niche]

You don't need to pay for anything till you're concrete on it meeting your needs

[rugged idol]

seriously i'm totaly lost you ask me to try 657135873852741528 different things

[timber niche]

Bro is just lost

[gloomy cipher]

you can ask ai to give you recomendation on which ai you may find useful.

[rugged idol]

yes i am...

[timber niche]

Goodluck soldier

[distant aurora]

Guys, let him try google.

[rugged idol]

whgat?

[green crystal]

In any case, forget perplexity for large context editing

That's already out the window

[obsidian umbra]

Google “Gemini AI studio”, try it. It’s completely free

[rugged idol]

-_-

it's super cool that be adviced AND mocked at the same time

[timber niche]

Leave this server, go open ai studio

Upload your document

Ask your stuff

It will do it

@rugged idol

[green crystal]

So now it's either Chatgpt or Gemini

[distant aurora]

I never mocked you.

[rugged idol]

i have NO IDEA when it sarcastic or serious. no clue.

[gloomy cipher]

if you dont want any headache use VOE 3 it will definatly do what you want and its free i think

[obsidian umbra]

Dawg 😭

Someone send him the link

[rugged idol]

i see memes and all i have no idea what to do

it's like random things al allong i don't know

oh and now an other thing to try

gemini

[distant aurora]

@rugged idol https://aistudio.google.com/

[rugged idol]

LLM blablabla

studio shit

[green crystal]

Nah most are serious here
But try the canvas writing tools
There's free options to see if you can work with it

[rugged idol]

oh and now canva

[obsidian umbra]

What model were you using?

[green crystal]

Large context editing without supervision is very difficult for now

[rugged idol]

yeah i'm going to try 6138763571357163574158 shit thing at the same time

[distant aurora]

Don't come back before you try ai studio. Seriously.

[green crystal]

I don't think you will find a single model out there that will retain most of the structure of the document while doing specific edits

[gloomy cipher]

@rugged idol

[timber niche]

@rugged idol you're just annoying now man, we are trying to help you

[rugged idol]

while trying to keep the track of who talk about this or than

[timber niche]

And you're being pissy

Not nice.

[obsidian umbra]

if only this server had a non-pro vc 🥀

[rugged idol]

imagin 5 person talking to you while saying different things

[timber niche]

If you don't want help then you can leave for other sources

[obsidian umbra]

we all saying the exact same thing tho 😭

[gloomy cipher]

its usually dead so iam forced to chat here

[timber niche]

Literally

[distant aurora]

Vote for ai studio

[rugged idol]

yeah? i'm told to try like at least 5 differents things

[timber niche]

Nope

[obsidian umbra]

please name those 5 things

[warm fractal]

Is Apple in the works on buying perplexity?

[obsidian umbra]

😭

[obsidian umbra]

no

[timber niche]

Samsung might

[gloomy cipher]

samsung is betting higher rn but who knows mark usually wins

[distant aurora]

Nope

[warm fractal]

Maybe

[distant aurora]

Samsung has better ai I think.

For now atleast.

[timber niche]

Lol

Gemini

[warm fractal]

True

[obsidian umbra]

i'd love for apple to get pplx 😭

[warm fractal]

Gemini is mid beyond mid

[distant aurora]

Perplexity is mainly colabing with moto rn.

[obsidian umbra]

wild take

[warm fractal]

Google sucks bro

[gloomy cipher]

you cant use the word better when apple doesnt have any

[rugged idol]

-Gemini
-Google Studio
-O3 mini
-chatgpt
-Gemini Canva
-Notebook LLM

[obsidian umbra]

you're looking too far back in chat

[distant aurora]

I meant better than what perplexity gives in moto.

[warm fractal]

What’s the difference between o3 and ChatGPT?

[green crystal]

Canvas is a feature of gemini

[rugged idol]

i don't knoiw

[obsidian umbra]

we all gave up on everything other than ai studio...

[rugged idol]

i do'nt know either

[obsidian umbra]

o3 is a model on chatgpt

[timber niche]

😭

[obsidian umbra]

anyways chat

my food here

[rugged idol]

someone talked about something in chatgpt i don't remember what

[warm fractal]

Ik.

[obsidian umbra]

glhf ❤️

[rugged idol]

ilk.
dfsd

ezfr

[timber niche]

Gonna go get food as well

Have fun eating @obsidian umbra

[warm fractal]

I like perplexity slightly better ngl.

[timber niche]

Not for native assistant on device

[warm fractal]

Native must be nice ngl

[timber niche]

Google is the only saviour in this paid ai masterrace

[warm fractal]

To have answers in your fingertips is helpful

[timber niche]

Offers most shit for free

[timber niche]

Google lens is invaluable to me

More than ai sometimes

[green crystal]

Easiest free option to try is Gemini
Set model to Gemini 2.5 pro and click canvas
You'll see a large input and you can put a chapter there
See how it works
Yes you still have to do some stuff manually but that's just how it is with AI for now

[gloomy cipher]

you forgot voe 3

[cobalt vale]

Not the consumer side, only the dev side

[rugged idol]

....

[timber niche]

Yeet

[timber niche]

He's already confused as it is, stop trolling lol

[rugged idol]

thanks...
and sorry it's so hard to keep up with like a constant flow of messages

[distant aurora]

Ai ain't for you.

[gloomy cipher]

ok but jokes aside i think canvas is the most trustable here

[rugged idol]

stop trolling please it's already hard like this....

not funny...

[green crystal]

The free version is limited to 25 per day and then you can use flash version which is lower in accuracy but you can still work with it

[gloomy cipher]

its not troll canvas is literally made for text so try google canvas

[distant aurora]

Guys, did I ever troll?

You can be honest, I won't hate you.

[gloomy cipher]

well

[timber niche]

Billy didn't, pato did

Like wtf is voe3

[green crystal]

From there on out things get a bit more specific for models

[timber niche]

Bro just misspelled veo

[distant aurora]

Voe might be a different model.

[gloomy cipher]

hey the man wasnt listening in the first place i thought it would go overhead just like that

[rugged idol]

sh*t it exist

[timber niche]

🤡

Hahahahaha

[rugged idol]

video generation lmao

[timber niche]

Anyway

[rugged idol]

pleast stop i already struggle to follow

[timber niche]

Back to regular chat please

[gloomy cipher]

sorry dyslexic

[gloomy cipher]

i mean TECHNICALLY you can ask it to generate avideo without long term explanation of short term phrases

😂

jk

[rugged idol]

so it's the 2.5 pro (preview) that i use?

[green crystal]

Yeah

[timber niche]

They said all the steps

[green crystal]

And canvas right at bottom

Once that runs out you can switch to the flash version to experiment more

[rugged idol]

okay done!
and thene, i put a prompt with my course and the instructions?

[green crystal]

You'll see something along the line of ask Gemini and then you can give it instructions
You can also highlight a piece of text and you'll see that you can add a prompt or it'll say you can ask Gemini something

[rugged idol]

like, i can copy my instruction from perplexity and use theme here? or does it work differently than chatgpt/sonet/etc?

[green crystal]

The way models interpret prompts will always be a bit different between all of them

So you'll have to experiment a bit

[rugged idol]

ehm... but how does Canvas work?

[green crystal]

If it's just a simple prompt and nothing complex setup then it should just work out fine

[green crystal]

It's like Microsoft word but very AI focused

[rugged idol]

like i can give it a picture of my course? would it work?

[green crystal]

Like the name says, it's a canvas for many things you want to do. Like writing documents, editing stuff, coding

[rugged idol]

yeah but if it remove something, can it put it back?
let's say it remove a definition, can it be restaured?

[green crystal]

I haven't tested that out on Gemini yet
Chatgpt works very well with images though

[green crystal]

Yeah, there's an undo button there

So you don't have to copy paste everything again if an edit is incorrect

[timber niche]

Omg what an amazing question and what an intellectual you are for asking it

[rugged idol]

okay it totaly re-wrotte the course. i don't even recognize it at all.

[timber niche]

Bro just get a human copywriter

[rugged idol]

or a functional AI?
Is it this complicated? i don't get why it's Einstein for complicated tasks but Dorie for simple ones

[timber niche]

Im serious if you don't want any change in phrasing and context and everything

What you're asking isn't just the use case for ai

[quiet sapphire]

I actually find this sometimes an issue , so i include " critsize me logically and technically so we can have the best output "
Cause i might have a flaw in my request and it would be just " yeah sure"

[green crystal]

Even when you selected a part of it and used the "ask Gemini" field?

[cobalt vale]

as if the limits weren't lowered yesterday in the first place

[distant aurora]

My love for qwen each day 📈

[timber niche]

Google solving the problem they created

And patting themselves in the back for it

So apple of them

[obsidian umbra]

doesnt api give u like 50 free queries for 2.5 pro anyways

😭

[timber niche]

How so

[obsidian umbra]

o

nvm

[distant aurora]

Free, no limits, strong reasoning, has a 1m context model too. Are probably working on their deep research to make it much better.

Reasoning model has 130k context.

[green crystal]

Happens the moment Google is seen as the best for one second

Pretty bad habit tbh

[gloomy cipher]

even better than deepseek

[obsidian umbra]

deepseek a 1 hit wonder

🥱

[distant aurora]

Deepseek still gets server busy issues.

[obsidian umbra]

actually nvm

[distant aurora]

Saw someone rant on reddit few days ago.

[gloomy cipher]

yea thats an issue but thats why u have perplexity

[timber niche]

Free through you.com?

[obsidian umbra]

https://chat.qwen.ai/

[distant aurora]

I'm specifically talking about free options. Besides, the R1 on perplexity is based on the old version.

[green crystal]

Deepseek on perplexity is pretty nerfed

[distant aurora]

Qwen is natively free.

[timber niche]

Thank you

[distant aurora]

No it's fine, just outdated wrt the new update.

New update pushes it to O3 level.

Old model was o1 level.

[timber niche]

Idk why qwen defaults to Spanish for me

[obsidian umbra]

r1?

[distant aurora]

Yeah. R1 1776 is perplexity's custom R1.

[obsidian umbra]

yea, but

they updated version

is there another name for it

[valid charm]

Wait.., o1 in PPLX or somewhere else?

[distant aurora]

Yes

[distant aurora]

R1 1776 on perplexity ~ o1 level

[cobalt vale]

R1 0528?

[timber niche]

What's this

[obsidian umbra]

copyin google

😭

[distant aurora]

Thinking token limit.

[cobalt vale]

pplx did have o1 for a moment

[distant aurora]

It can spend 36000 tokens in thinking alone.

[timber niche]

Which model? Qwen?

[gloomy cipher]

is this a daily limit or a response limit?

[distant aurora]

More than perplexity's whole context limit.

[distant aurora]

Yes.

[timber niche]

Cheers

[rugged idol]

i asked it to just extract the text.
it failed

[gloomy cipher]

qwen is alibaba right?

[distant aurora]

Yep

[gloomy cipher]

they have been cooking quite a lot they even made wan2,1

[distant aurora]

https://tools.pdf24.org/en/ocr-pdf

[distant aurora]

What's wan 2.1 ?

[cobalt vale]

open source video model

[gloomy cipher]

video gen by ali

[distant aurora]

Oh.

[gloomy cipher]

i think its doing better than klin

[distant aurora]

Didn't try yet.

[muted jetty]

perplexity not working now?

[distant aurora]

Fine here.

[gloomy cipher]

claude thinking

[silent stream]

Works fine

[placid kestrel]

No Opus or O3?

[gloomy cipher]

did this mf just named my city

😂

[distant aurora]

Papa Lex City Pro

[gloomy cipher]

iam on latest update and no

[timber niche]

What's the site that benchmarks llms

[distant aurora]

https://artificialanalysis.ai/leaderboards/models

https://www.vals.ai/benchmarks

[timber niche]

You're the best!

[distant aurora]

https://tenor.com/view/happy-tears-gif-25605273

[gloomy cipher]

does this show image gen and their variants?

[timber niche]

Muy bien

[gloomy cipher]

why do u have upside down ? mark

[distant aurora]

I don't think so.

[timber niche]

Spanish in Australia

Maybe it's just a Spanish thing idk lol

Watch memories think im Spanish

[rugged idol]

ok gemini isn't doing anything i ask it

[timber niche]

Get a human:)

[rugged idol]

i asked it 5 times to not add anything, it still re-writte it

[distant aurora]

Yeah. Ai is a bitch.

[timber niche]

My bitch

[rugged idol]

...

[distant aurora]

My o4 mini kept using short forms.

So I abused it.

[timber niche]

What havoc did you cause

[rugged idol]

how you guys get the IA to not ignore the instruction randomly??

.........

you told me like at least 5 times that gemini canvas was perfect and now you make fun of me because it doesn't work

[timber niche]

Because nothing will satisfy you

What you need isn't possible with ai

We're not even sure what you're looking for

[rugged idol]

so why you told me to try many things if it's so obvious why i want to do isn't possible?

[distant aurora]

Perplexity isn't working for multiple people.

They posting bug reports.

[timber niche]

Why are you being so self righteous?

[rugged idol]

here i'm trying Gemini pro (trial)

[timber niche]

And entitled

Im not understanding

[distant aurora]

Ai studio is free

This is why they teach kids ai in school already.

[timber niche]

You always just blame and not say the exact issue or your requirement for it to do

[distant aurora]

So that they don't end up clueless or dumb when they grow up.

[timber niche]

Rip

[muted jetty]

"Sorry, something went wrong"

[distant aurora]

@timber niche

[muted jetty]

i was doing a project, now i don't have time to send it 😢

[gloomy cipher]

is this ur api?

[timber niche]

What an ass lol

[distant aurora]

No. T3 chat.

[timber niche]

Waste of multiple prompts outta 1500

[distant aurora]

I'm thinking of trying open router.

[obsidian umbra]

t3 chat is so mid

💔

[gloomy cipher]

bro i tho iam rough with ai

but u are worse than your enemy

😭

[gloomy cipher]

i dont remember his name the blonde dickhead

[timber niche]

Bro be like you're a waste of energy utilised running your compute

[gloomy cipher]

it was something like landlord

[rugged idol]

i already said it
-i have course with big chapters
-each capter has many notions but the essentials are scattered in the course.
The said course said a "story" but all the notions are scattered inside.
-there is a tone of technical words that i don't understand and i want to have a short definition next to each word

In other words, a readable course, not someone telling why he is so great at something and telling me his life.

but the issue is when i ask an ai to re-writte the course (or when it does it by itself) it will remove big parts of it without me asking. like an important definition, important notion, etc...
sometime entier paragraph or sub chapter

[timber niche]

Open the course

[gloomy cipher]

yea becuase u are asking to rewrite

[timber niche]

Look up notions on google

[gloomy cipher]

how about you start with ''remove'

[timber niche]

Don't use ai

It will summarise your stuff and rewrite

Based on it's model

That's how ai works

You essentially will have to do your reading

In the course itself

Don't expect ai to rewrite as you call paraphrasing

Good day

[rugged idol]

i ask it to like solve a puzzle where notions are scattered here and there in diffrent parts of the chapters

[obsidian umbra]

yk

u couldve just

read the book by now

🥀

[timber niche]

Exactly

[obsidian umbra]

if u dont understand a word

couldve googled it

[timber niche]

Literally

[obsidian umbra]

use ai as a tool, not as an employee 😭

[gloomy cipher]

slave*

[timber niche]

Let's not get into there

What one personally deems as a notion

How does the ai know

[obsidian umbra]

ah yes, sorry

[gloomy cipher]

employs get paid

[rugged idol]

the issue is i'm learning, i can't re-writte a course i don't even understand yet because it's wrote with ass

[timber niche]

Unless you yourself make an ai of yourself that is you in computer form

[gentle gale]

Is anyone having issues with chat sync? In the app it retains all the history, but on the PC it simply forgets everything that was said after a while. (literally erases the prompt and goes back to the old one)

[timber niche]

No one is asking you to rewrite

Just open and read your course

Like a person before 2020

[rugged idol]

i already tried

it suck, it's like it pretend you already know what it's about

[timber niche]

Google what you get confused with

Try to understand from who studied before you

[rugged idol]

i don't know how to make you understand, that it's so confusing the way it's wrote
imagine you have notion at the end to understand the begening

[timber niche]

Pplx is having issues for multiple people rn

Maybe because of it

[gloomy cipher]

iam so confused when we started u said u understand the short term phrases such as AI CPU so you dont like them being there and now you are saying its hard to understand yet you want all of these to be done without rewritting?? do you perhaps want noting and listing?

[rugged idol]

i know what CPU is, it was an example if you refer about what i wrotte like way earlier

[obsidian umbra]

are u allowed to send the book you're using

joestandstare

[gloomy cipher]

honestly

[obsidian umbra]

or tell us what it's called

[gloomy cipher]

i may finish it before the ai ''rewrites'' it

[gentle gale]

I understand, I just wanted to know how to proceed, because on the cell phone the history is retained, outside of it it is not. I don't know if I should keep the tab or change to a completely new one, because there are more than months of memory progress in this current one.

[distant aurora]

Bro. Give me the book and the prompt. I want to try it now.

Lol.

[obsidian umbra]

Just wait, and hope its an temp issue 🤷‍♂️

[timber niche]

Open a ticket and provide your details in #👉│feedback-general

[obsidian umbra]

also u have a single thread with months of prompts?

😭

[distant aurora]

It's good if it's mostly unrelated waste.

[timber niche]

Would be so sad to lose it

[distant aurora]

Easier to clean up.

[gentle gale]

I mean, it's easier to continue in a single tab than to explain everything from scratch again and again.

[obsidian umbra]

after like 40 prompts in a single thread pplx be using like 3 gigs of ram

alone

[gloomy cipher]

meanwhile i have a different space and a thread for each conversation

[timber niche]

Bro living rich

[obsidian umbra]

any time its a different topic i switch threads

🤷‍♂️

[distant aurora]

Bro crashing pplx

[timber niche]

I haven't tried spaces yet

I just open a new thread everytime

[obsidian umbra]

missing out

[gloomy cipher]

dont ask

[short narwhal]

Holy

[distant aurora]

It's just folders with shared context and custom instructions.

[rugged idol]

idk, i'd always tryed to have a "folder'" (space in perplexity or project in chatgpt)

[distant aurora]

Roleplay

[gentle gale]

I don't do separate topics, I keep them in the same topic and just improve them, I do this with each tab I use, and from time to time I export it to notebooklm to help me review everything.

[rugged idol]

but i don't know if perplexity can find informations in different threads from the same space?

[timber niche]

Ikr

[valid charm]

Was going to ask about the same thing

[timber niche]

I only started using pplx last week tbf

[obsidian umbra]

no, it will not.

[distant aurora]

https://tenor.com/view/the-boys-billy-butcher-joe-kessler-handshake-hug-gif-8828708336305694549

[rugged idol]

what the point of spaces then?

[gloomy cipher]

wdym

[distant aurora]

Theoretically it's supposed to.

[obsidian umbra]

Custom instructions

being organized

🤷‍♂️

u used to be able to force a model in spaces, but not anymore?

ig it's not required anymore soo

[rugged idol]

hm... could i put my important instructions in the one inside a space description? would it follow it without lost it?

[gentle gale]

Is there any way to export information from one thread to another while retaining memory?

[obsidian umbra]

no

[timber niche]

Nope

[obsidian umbra]

it will certainly get lost

😭

pplx and context dont go together ❤️

[gloomy cipher]

its an ''opensource'' role player i attach the chatacter via pdf and its job is to decide which one i wana talk to

[distant aurora]

Export the thread as pdf and upload it in the new thread

[rugged idol]

hm... i try to see why perplexity is better than anything else then ._. could someone enlight me?

[gentle gale]

Well, I have the PDF of everything and it's about 1200 pages, would it handle that well?

[distant aurora]

No. 1200 pages. That is unlikely to fit in 32000 tokens.

[gloomy cipher]

its all about personal opinion it need it for the space futures(if u cant tell) some others need it for page some for lab we arent all the same

• i also use it for news

[gentle gale]

So I just have to sit down and pray that I don't lose the 2-day history of the tab I'm in.

[timber niche]

1200 pages

[gloomy cipher]

save it a page?

[timber niche]

2 days

Wtf are you doing bro

[gloomy cipher]

bro is saying hi every min

[timber niche]

Lol

[gloomy cipher]

ig he might be using ''manual'' api 👀

[gentle gale]

Writing books, I am a ghost writer and proofreader, it is my primary source of income.

[timber niche]

Nice

[wraith wraith]

hahah

[gloomy cipher]

😒

[gentle gale]

This current prompt is 1200 pages of a book, I will publish it at the end of this month.

[gloomy cipher]

title?

[rugged idol]

i think i misenderstood how basicly ai work
it was advertised like an assistant that does things from A to Z but it's more like an advanced tool (search engine, generate, etc...)
it's not something you can ask to work on something that already exist?

[gentle gale]

I can't provide information due to an NDA, I'm paid to write, my own is being done too heh

[gloomy cipher]

my man is here printing books and we have issues with reading a course

[obsidian umbra]

it most certainly can

[gloomy cipher]

its alright can i dm u tho i need some advice if u are okay with it

[obsidian umbra]

when prompted right

[timber niche]

As long as your books aren't just ai generated you're cool

[obsidian umbra]

or given something realistic to go off

[rugged idol]

i just wonder
is the fact that it's full french that confuse it so much?

[wraith wraith]

can anyone give me a good prompt for PPL labs

[timber niche]

Nope

[rugged idol]

or my prompts? i did theme in french too

[gloomy cipher]

thats an ai agent not ai

[rugged idol]

what's the difference?

[gloomy cipher]

ai agent is closer to an assistance than ai is

[gentle gale]

I have currently made about 42 books since November 2023, in 3 languages, Portuguese, English and Spanish, most take about 1-2 weeks, some done at the same time, others take a little longer. I work writing the Raw material, I use Gemini/pplx and some others to help me, something that would take 3 months I do in less than 2 weeks.

[gloomy cipher]

also ai can still asssist you just because it cannot assist you in anything doesnt mean they cannot assist

like they cannot assist you in a crime duh

[timber niche]

So ai writes your stuff?

Or do you mean the ones you've proofread

[gloomy cipher]

i think he still needs writer skill to check and verify

[gentle gale]

Tell me what I should change, improve, then I'll redo it and send it again for review, it works like a beta reader.

[timber niche]

That's alright

[gloomy cipher]

basically a free supervisor that wont get mad

[timber niche]

As long as you write the raw stuff

I hate when people just churn ai slop to books

[dry kestrel]

hahaha

[timber niche]

43 is still impressive congratulations

[gloomy cipher]

its not that creative sadly

not yet at least

[distant aurora]

I don't care if it's stem.

[timber niche]

I just hate the concept of ai creativity replacing humans

[gentle gale]

Then, obviously, I pass it on to human review, I receive around 60/$ for every 100 pages, I pay around 20/$ for beta reading and the rest I use to invest in other tools, voice assistant/images/video/review etc...

[distant aurora]

Stem isn't creativity so.

[gloomy cipher]

https://tenor.com/view/ligh-sigh-sighed-bored-baby-bored-meme-sigh-meme-gif-3392435782266414755

its prob gonna happen tho

[timber niche]

Sounds great

[gloomy cipher]

not much we can do

[timber niche]

Will stay a hater

[gentle gale]

It's sustainable, it doesn't cost me much and I can do it while doing my own work, but losing a tab that has over 1200 pages of prompts frustrates me.

[gloomy cipher]

how do you like perplexity since you have been using it alot

[distant aurora]

Ai doesn't love you either, don't worry.

[gentle gale]

[timber niche]

It's essentially hurting your earnings

Pplx better help you

[gentle gale]

I mean, it's good, I've recommended it to most people, but it's not the best by far, but it's definitely the one I use the most.

[timber niche]

Ai don't have feelings bud

[gloomy cipher]

i mean with 1200 pages idk if perplex wouldnt geta hedache

[distant aurora]

Prompting to get the desired results from an ai image generator takes some effort too.

[gentle gale]

I pay for the pro plan for myself, my wife and 2 of my assistants, I renew every year, but I also pay for Google One and a few others.

[timber niche]

Any other ai services you use?

Like chat gpt pro etc

Because gpt is the goat for creative stuff

[gentle gale]

Gemini/ImageFX/MidJourney/GPTPro/Cloude and Grok.

[timber niche]

Sheesh the entire suite

[distant aurora]

You paid for all of this?

💀

[gentle gale]

I mean, Cloude is better than GPT Pro.

[timber niche]

Bro makes bank

Claude you mean

[gentle gale]

The money invested in this doesn't hurt how much I earn using all of this.

[distant aurora]

Nice

[gentle gale]

I mean, could I just use one? Yes, but the flexibility of having 5 AI assistants is much more practical than just one.

[distant aurora]

For me ai is more like my life assistant.

[timber niche]

Yes.

[distant aurora]

Like a secondary parent.

[timber niche]

Especially since they all keep one upping each other

And you have the flexibility of everything

[gentle gale]

I used to think so, but after seeing the difference in productivity, I was able to monetize almost all of my creative work and some extra things just with that, even more so receiving in any currency and distributing in any language.

[distant aurora]

I'm unemployed so.

😭

[royal ingot]

welcome to the team

[distant aurora]

https://tenor.com/view/broke-poor-money-wallet-empty-gif-7985382

[royal ingot]

hi, i just hopped in. could you explain what is it that you do? something related to books?

[distant aurora]

Fuck my ear infection

I can't resist scratching it with a qtip.

[gentle gale]

You could start by saying something like: I recommended my actual assistant—nowadays he earns around $1,200 to $1,500 a month selling fantasy books to the Chinese market.

[timber niche]

Dang

[distant aurora]

I have no idea what you meant.

[gentle gale]

I usually sell ghostwriting services, do revisions, write books, analyses, and other related work. I was just sharing a bit of my experience because PPLX lost about two days of progress on a tab I was using.

[timber niche]

Infections are so annoying

Especially when can't reach the itch

[distant aurora]

Istg, getting rid of this itch in my ear will require an exorcism.

[gentle gale]

Sorry, English is my fourth language, so I might get a bit mixed up when speaking.

[gloomy cipher]

Unemployed William

[gentle gale]

[timber niche]

4th language

[distant aurora]

It's alright. I appreciate the effort.

[royal ingot]

well that's nice (i mean your work, not the pplx thing lol)

[timber niche]

😭

[gloomy cipher]

That's wild bro scorched earth no wonder

[timber niche]

So European

[gloomy cipher]

Why don't you just save the pages in your computer?

[royal ingot]

pplx also lost 2 of my threads. but the thing is i can't tell which 2 lol. yesterday there were 6, now there are 4. and i don't even know which ones are gone 🥲

[gentle gale]

I save my work, that's why I have 1,200 pages of a single book—but I lost the most recent revisions. I can redo everything manually, yes, and I'm already working on the manual revision. But it’s going to take time away from other projects.

[distant aurora]

Istg, it feels like something is biting me in the ear.

[gentle gale]

PPLX kept the history on my phone, but not on my PC—so now I’m praying to the AI gods to help me out with this one.

[timber niche]

Joe i see you

Remember your promise

[left stream]

Of course

[short narwhal]

[obsidian umbra]

chat is revived

yipew

[timber niche]

Will need censored video proof

[short narwhal]

Reborn

[timber niche]

Mewborn

[left stream]

You noticed the changes on the link when typing o3 pro?

[left stream]

@distant aurora will have to join too

This ritual will summon o3 pro

[timber niche]

Yes

[dry kestrel]

yep

haha

i noticed that there was no way that was gpt4o

or 4.1

[gentle gale]

My prompts from the last 5 days just disappeared. For the gods’ sake, I’m gonna lose my mind

[distant aurora]

Bet

[timber niche]

F

Just on web or both mobile and web

[gentle gale]

I’m afraid to check on mobile and find out I lost it there too—it’s like Schrödinger’s prompt

[distant aurora]

Schrodinger's balls

This ear infection will drive me crazy.

[timber niche]

Did you visit an ENT yet

[distant aurora]

I can't afford it.

There's some hospital in Mumbai that does it for cheap.

Will have to ask my dad about it.

[timber niche]

Do it don't delay

🤭

[distant aurora]

Deepseek be tripping.

[crude spear]

hey there

[left stream]

YOOO

HOLY SHIT

I DID IT

I KNOW HOW TO DO IT

@distant aurora TOOOO

YOOO

GO ON PC AND IF YOU HAVE ORO

TYPE THE o3 lin

Link

[distant aurora]

I don't have pro

[left stream]

Bro it lets you access fully integrated o3 pro

[gentle gale]

At least this forced me to start a new book. I found a new helper here on the server, and I’m going to start working on something with him so he can make some money. Some bad things come for the good

[left stream]

BRO

[distant aurora]

🥹

[left stream]

@dry kestrel

[gentle gale]

[left stream]

BRO GET ON PC AND THEN CHECK ON THE MODEL SELECTOR

It says o3 pro and it responds @dry kestrel

[distant aurora]

O3 pro

[dry kestrel]

wtf

wait

[distant aurora]

https://tenor.com/view/kiashyy-made-by-kiashyy-god-gif-gif-2002863003236560690

[dry kestrel]

did you change the ?model=

@left stream

[distant aurora]

#💬│general message

[crude spear]

I was considering to switch from the pro plan of gemini to the one on perplexity is it worth it?

[dry kestrel]

that is unfortunately NOT o3 pro

its gpt3.5

[left stream]

Has to be something else

It has access to tools

[dry kestrel]

wait

wtf

wait

[distant aurora]

O3.5 pro

[dry kestrel]

?

[crude spear]

.

[dry kestrel]

@left stream

[distant aurora]

Context length is limited to 32k on perplexity

[crude spear]

[short narwhal]

no shot they're hosting 3.5 anymore tbh

model gotta be hallucinating

[crude spear]

So it's like 2.5 pro but with 32k tokens?

[dry kestrel]

nope

its gpt3.5

[crude spear]

[distant aurora]

There's more variety

[dry kestrel]

its much faster than gpt4o

and really really shit

[short narwhal]

4o mini?

[dry kestrel]

no

[short narwhal]

nano...?

[left stream]

@dry kestrel i went on windows app chatgpt and went to the chat, it still shows o3 pro

[dry kestrel]

look at the sys prompt

[dry kestrel]

yeah its a bug

[left stream]

Do you know what tools it has access to on the app?

[dry kestrel]

None at the moment im using the Macos app

[left stream]

Boom

[dry kestrel]

yeah

that doesnt work though

[dry kestrel]

here

i clicked on the web search and it didnt search anything

in the app

the web icon is grayed out

Doesnt use the canvas tool either

[dry kestrel]

no due to the knowleg cutoff

[short narwhal]

what are they doing at openAI

[dry kestrel]

its prob just a bug

where it accidentally redirects to gpt3.5 if an invalid model parameter is set

lol

[short narwhal]

forget GPT 5, GPT 9999 is where it's at

[dry kestrel]

they prob just forgot to update their backend

have some fun with gpt3.5 while at it

[hasty pagoda]

is it just me or is perplexity completly crashing

I can't make any prompt work

[hidden vessel]

howso?

[dry kestrel]

working fine, check if its your device

clear cache, cookies and update it

[hasty pagoda]

OK I will test that ty

[obsidian umbra]

not just u

pplx having issues td

[hasty pagoda]

did all of it and still have this, i'll just wait for tomorrow i think

[hallow sleet]

someone got their threads deleted today or at least part of them?

[sinful ridge]

My paper was just published. Any thoughts appreciated! "Evolving LLMs Through Text-Based Self-Play: Achieving Emergent Performance" https://ai.vixra.org/abs/2506.0018

[left stream]

Ikr

So o1 pro is gonna go bye bye soon @dry kestrel 😭😓

[umbral coral]

https://i.redd.it/onhnwxxcdt4f1.jpeg

[ruby heart]

yesterday i was getting clear ass images like this with chat gpt image gen selected

now today i get this bullshit . same model selected

why

[left stream]

well its not like o1 pro was here anyways, it got replaced a while ago @dry kestrel

[cobalt vale]

@ruby heart

[light siren]

Dang! Last I tried I couldn’t generate images. Glad I stumbled on this discord

[dry kestrel]

yeah lol

[dry kestrel]

should contact perplexity support then

[timber niche]

Still has downtime

Crazy

@left stream so much hope for no o3 pro

[dry kestrel]

https://status.perplexity.com/

interesting

[ruby heart]

so 24hr cooldown?

[distant aurora]

This actually looks good.

[timber niche]

Highlighted this earlier because it was 100% earlier even tho most people had issues

[distant aurora]

Mission impossible rip off vibes.

Down detector and down for everyone are more reliable imo.

[timber niche]

Dd best

[distant aurora]

Some guy is alone in vc.

[timber niche]

Lol

Stuck in eternal void

[shy temple]

Does anybody here know where we can give feedback about PPLX to them officially? PPLX Labs is awesome, but I can see some areas for improvement.

[cobalt vale]

unclear

[timber niche]

There was an AMA today on Reddit about labs

But since it's over you can just go over to #👉│feedback-general

You can scroll chat to see some of the answers or check reddit yourself

[languid star]

it seems

my previous id is restricted

so

...................

[timber niche]

How so

Bruh

That about me

Got to you

How to trust it's you tho

[ruby heart]

Gemini is an elite prompter

[distant aurora]

https://tenor.com/view/i'm-sorry-to-hear-that-mate-butcher-the-boys-are-you-okay-how-are-you-doing-gif-12190875479626788139

[distant aurora]

Wait. Lmfao.

@languid star you think that bio got you restricted? 💀

[languid star]

💀

[timber niche]

🤭

[cobalt vale]

NO WAY

[timber niche]

Running to get it

I don't see this

[cobalt vale]

@distant aurora

[timber niche]

Share a link if you can

[cobalt vale]

has to be through https://openai.com/business/updates-to-chatgpt-business-plans-livestream-june-2025/

I think

[distant aurora]

1 dollar

[distant aurora]

Will there be a code in the stream or something?

[cobalt vale]

disbelief

[cobalt vale]

active right now

some people said there are region restrictions though

[timber niche]

Dang

[dry kestrel]

LMAO

[distant aurora]

How long will it be valid for though?

[dry kestrel]

thats crazy

[distant aurora]

Just 1 month?

[dry kestrel]

yeah

you still have to buy 2 seats though

[distant aurora]

So useless for me.

[cobalt vale]

it's $1 no matter how many seats you pick

[timber niche]

So 2 usd

[cobalt vale]

$1 USD

[timber niche]

Oh

[dry kestrel]

oh wtf

nvm

[timber niche]

Lmao

[dry kestrel]

lmfao

[timber niche]

So all just for a month tho

[distant aurora]

Bro

[cobalt vale]

looks like us deal hunters won again

[dry kestrel]

well

that shit is going to get abused so hard

[distant aurora]

Theo be giving away t3 chat codes on twitter.

[dry kestrel]

that they are doing to cancel this promo

[cobalt vale]

surely they wouldn't be surprised

[timber niche]

Wasn't eligible for the promotion

[distant aurora]

Fr

[cobalt vale]

can't use a second code on the same account though

[distant aurora]

Ah.

Rip

[dry kestrel]

thats where the magic of 2 accounts come in handy

[distant aurora]

I'll just make an account with disposable email then.

Not like t3 chat has proper chat share or export anyways.

[cobalt vale]

I thought t3 chat only supports google accounts

[distant aurora]

Will make a dummy google account then.

I'm wasting money for no reason. I already have you.com and perplexity pro for now.

💀

I have lost interest in grok lately.

I only open it when I need deep search.

[cobalt vale]

grok has been dead for a long time, until new releases

[timber niche]

Do you pay full price for you. com @distant aurora

Or did you get a promo

[distant aurora]

Something promo something.

[timber niche]

Cool

I was like no way you're spending on AI but neglecting your ear

😅

[distant aurora]

Lmao

Fr

The ear thing got too serious like a week or 2 ago.

[timber niche]

You've been putting it off way too long

[distant aurora]

I'm addicted to q tips

Qtips mean cotton swab sticks.

[timber niche]

Ik

[distant aurora]

Good. Some Indians don't.

It's an American brand I think.

[clever barn]

i've only ever used grok on x itself on a post i want to learn more about, it's a great tool for that but going on grok's website is crazy. i don't think anybody does that

[distant aurora]

Both go through like 30 twitter posts parallel to web search.

I have the app. I don't bother with the website either.

I stopped using website since they removed grok 2 from there.

[clever barn]

i just don't really understand what their goal with grok was. it's so x/twitter involved (whatever u want to call it) it doesn't feel like an AI tool you can use such as perplexity, gpt, claude etc

[distant aurora]

I'm not gonna bother to open a tab to get rate limited after like 10-15 prompts.

I'll go back to the app anyways to continue the conversation with grok 2 there.

[distant aurora]

Uncensored ai.

Mostly.

[clever barn]

i guess so but once again that's so x invovled it just feels a bit bias in a sense

[timber niche]

Well yes

[distant aurora]

They gave it a little bit of freedom.

[timber niche]

Before it was a separate company it was an in app feature

[distant aurora]

So now it bites back if you kick it on the internet.

[clever barn]

grok?

[timber niche]

Yes

[distant aurora]

Truthgpt

[clever barn]

what was the company prior?

[timber niche]

Was introduced as a feature for people who paid for twitter

Then elon made it a different company

XAI

[distant aurora]

.

Truth gpt was a failure.

Grok however is pretty successful.

[timber niche]

Very later

After introduction

[clever barn]

https://grok.com/share/c2hhcmQtMg%3D%3D_6709ebd6-98ba-4aec-be78-4dda2152f49c

[distant aurora]

It boomed with grok 3.

[clever barn]

pretty interesting tbh, i never dived that deep into grok

[timber niche]

I only realised after fireship video

I considered it worthy of being used

[clever barn]

like i said i've only ever used it on x on/under a post i want to learn more about, never opened the website until just now to post that link and never downloaded the app onto my phone 😂

[fathom garden]

Anyone else having trouble with perplexity? Today every single prompt I submit ends up giving this error after minutes of the AI doing research.

[timber niche]

It's down for many @fathom garden

[clever barn]

https://status.perplexity.com/

[fathom garden]

Thanks 🙏🏼 at least I know now I’m not going crazy

Maybe I am going crazy =\

[timber niche]

It's not correct

[clever barn]

dang. didn't know

[timber niche]

Use down detector

[clever barn]

https://downdetector.com/status/perplexityai/

dang big surge

[vivid ferry]

ive been too scared to try labs yet 😭

Im thinking it can replace an AI IDE perhaps, for a small project in python

[languid star]

OpenAI will release GPT-5 next month and xAI will keep working on Grok-3.5

For GeminiApp Pro plan members, we've just doubled your 2.5 Pro limit, from 50 to 100 queries per day.

[timber niche]

They reduced from 100 to 50, back to 100

[dry kestrel]

it was never 100 before these stupid limits

it was much much higher

[timber niche]

Was a true golden era then

100 is chump change still

Especially if you're trying to get something done

[languid star]

This Fall, we may also get the Comet browser for Android! Running Comet agents on the go will be a big win.

[timber niche]

Would be so op

[languid star]

Google is testing a new model, "Kingfall", on AI Studio. It is labelled "Confidential" and likely was made available accidentally.

Thinking is supported, and it seems like it allocates quite a lot of compute time for simple prompts

Gemini 2.5 Pro full is near

you can turn ON/OFF thinking and mention budget for thinking.

[timber niche]

Hammy out here going ham

[dry kestrel]

deepseek r1 is better in terms of intelligence

and o4 mini high

[timber niche]

Context tokens is the only major upside to gemini

Through ai studio atleast

[cobalt vale]

Anyone still remember the Cursor perk?

[timber niche]

What would be the best way to access the recent 0528 model on mobile

[cobalt vale]

It's been well over a week

[timber niche]

People complaining about it daily

Removed because of resellers abusing it ig

[cobalt vale]

both of them just waiting for everyone to forget I see

[dry kestrel]

@left stream reached my limit on pro lol

[cobalt vale]

for free? just use the Deepseek app

[dry kestrel]

chat.deepseek.com

and the mobile app

[cobalt vale]

btw this new UI is so annoying

[dry kestrel]

i hate it

cant even see the amount of DR uses left

[cobalt vale]

wait they removed that?

[dry kestrel]

yeah

i just got rate limited after like 400 messages in an hour

[timber niche]

It doesn't use the 0528 model

[dry kestrel]

it should use the newest model

[timber niche]

Or does it not answer the question what model are you incorrectly