combat-and-skills

[mossy ridge]

I grind for gear, because it's a good break from building - but grinding gems... no thanks

[barren tartan]

fr lol

I mean the Gaurd of the north tho, for some reason someone decided they needed to take ALL 10 AND the one in the display thing

I'm not doing rng chests

it resets in like 5 mins so

[barren tartan]

greedy mf

[mossy ridge]

Don't mind me... 🤣

[barren tartan]

damn lemme get two :so

😭

[mossy ridge]

Guard of the North is actually a static drop - so you can always get it on reset

[barren tartan]

rlly?

[mossy ridge]

hence... this chest

[barren tartan]

idrk how to get it so

or wherre to

Also why do u have the moon rock sword?

[mossy ridge]

Never run a Cromville chest loop?

[barren tartan]

havent

[mossy ridge]

I was running that before I got the Forked Tongue sword, just trying it out

[barren tartan]

oh okay

why do u have nova tho??

[mossy ridge]

for a torch 🤣

[barren tartan]

also you know you can just put ur bow in your inv right? if you have it in the slot you dont need it to be in ur hotbar

jus press q

[mossy ridge]

Yeah I keep it there because I have extra zoom skill whilst aiming - so I sometimes switch just to potshot at targets with the auto aim

[barren tartan]

You can still just use Q instead of having it take up a hotbar slot

[mossy ridge]

I got nothing else I need there really

Also makes a decent torch

[barren tartan]

Why not just use an actual torch>? 😭

[mossy ridge]

because they break, even with durability turned off 🙃

[barren tartan]

oh

Meh i dont even use anything for a light sorcse, i have hella high brightness

[mossy ridge]

Learnt that the hard way... 🕶️

[barren tartan]

How so?

[mossy ridge]

it broke whilst smashing crates in a dark shroud dungeon 🤣

[barren tartan]

Hasent happened for me yet 👍

[mossy ridge]

it lasts for ages, so I just assumed it was permanent with durability off... then all of a sudden, pitch black

[barren tartan]

mmmm

also what gem do i put on my bow?

[mossy ridge]

I just use Burning on my Ignited Bow - free DoT

and Fell don't like fire

[barren tartan]

oki!

[mossy ridge]

not really any other good options when the bow is just a backup weapon

[barren tartan]

yeah

brb ima go use like200 xp scrolls

[mossy ridge]

🤣

[barren tartan]

i do NOOOOT feel like exp grinding rn

i took every single one from the depo

[mossy ridge]

I've got a fat stash, been meaning to make a ranger at some point - got no particular interest in playing it as a full build, but be fun to have one

Wish the full release wasn't so far away - I want to try mage, but I don't want to do a playthrough when there's still the magic changes to come with 1.0

[fringe wing]

WHYYYY are Higher LevelFire Spells doing less DPS then the lower ones ?

between EternalFireball-2 and Fireball-1 its almost 10dps less

[blazing osprey]

Because they're for burst damage, not consistent attack.

Enter with them, then switch to other spells like chain lightning and close in, then switch to wand

Pure ranged mage never really worked out

[fringe wing]

Saaadge

[barren tartan]

alriiighttt im finally done

Got my ah to level 34

[fringe wing]

In group play maybe xD

[mossy ridge]

need a flamethrower spell... or the actual flamethrowers

[fringe wing]

YES please

xD

flamethrower spell would be soo cool

[barren tartan]

@mossy ridge got any fast exp tips?

[fringe wing]

Same for frost .. like some kind of Icy Wind spell

[barren tartan]

also the server just deadah dosent have the sword i realized.

[mossy ridge]

What depot are you using?

[barren tartan]

uhh

[mossy ridge]

Does it not?!

I knew they didn't have the Forked

[barren tartan]

Didnt show up on the wiki with the 3d scanning and i couldnt find it by looking either

Do you know one that does have it?

[mossy ridge]

It's over by the Lunar Trader, in one of the end of row chests - gues they put them there because it's a lore weapon

[barren tartan]

then why the f did it not show up on the wiki man

[mossy ridge]

How many versions do they have... I've got 2 that are on the 1 hour timer

[barren tartan]

are you sure we are using the same one?

[barren tartan]

i found it

im just slow

Also i think ill keep using the commander ring until i can unlock the thing you told me in the skill tree

[mossy ridge]

Commander Rings are solid - I just went a different route with my build

[barren tartan]

since im level 34

mhm

whats a good xp spot?

[mossy ridge]

I didn't do any particular kind of grinding - I just played legit until I was maxed out, just been loot farming and building since then

[barren tartan]

i seee

[mossy ridge]

you can change XP settings in world settings if you make your own

[barren tartan]

Thats great

Do you know where the wayfair pants are in my depo?

idk if i spelled that right but

[mossy ridge]

Not sure - possibly some similar kind of deal, since they're a non-set item drop

[barren tartan]

hm okay

what foods do i get?

I have a few already but with the new food slot now i have another to use

[mossy ridge]

I've got my game closed at the moment

I think I had black coffee, cooked/fried rice, beef stew andddd strawberry milkshake/plantain curry

[barren tartan]

lemme look

[mossy ridge]

Creamy Mushroom something also works instead of Rice

[barren tartan]

You mean this one

[mossy ridge]

That's the one, yeah

slightly less damage, but has better stamina

[barren tartan]

Im not gonna use strawberry, so i may just use both

[mossy ridge]

they won't stack - it's 1 per category

[barren tartan]

ohhh

oh yeah i forgot abt that lol

[mossy ridge]

other option is to keep that 4th slot free and use short timer foods with bigger regenerations when you need them

so just pop a Sweets food when you need it for a big stamina regen boost

[barren tartan]

Hmm im stumped here

too much back and foruth looking at food stats and catagories

cant focus for the life of me either

I think i made my decision

[mossy ridge]

Strawberry Milkshake or Plantain Curry will take up a Fruit slot, so can be used with the other 3 - or you can leave it open and use Honey Baked Bananas as and when needed for a bigger but shorter regeneration boost

[barren tartan]

I did the same thing you did but the creamy mushrroms instead of rice

[mossy ridge]

Yeah that's a good option for the extra regeneration, you only lose 3% damage which is tiny

Open Sandwich isn't a bad option either, if you need some extra tankiness with the health

[barren tartan]

nah i think im okay with that

jeez lol gotta scroll up so much to get another look at the build again

[burnt fog]

What is up with the character randomly turning away from the enemy while blocking even when locked on?

it doesn't happen all the time, it's inconsistent

[candid axle]

I just thought about it but the assassin skill tree or snake eater skill could have a poison tree

[blissful brook]

So is the "enemies stun on 95% of hits and stagger on only 5%" here to stay?

[candid axle]

hope not

but I guess it will

but blink has been buffed I feel

I can tank / dodge most attacks now

[blissful brook]

I mean I have it on my 2h warrior

its just ridiculously op

but combat just doesnt feel rewarding

[candid axle]

double jump and bonk on there skulls

I need more hand to hand / martial skills

why is the kick even a skill ?

it should scale with the skill tree but not NEED it

same for double jump, could be a quest reward from the huntress

and farming skills should get their own skill tree

[blissful brook]

yea double jump, updraft, all this shit

[candid axle]

I hate the change on updraft

take 1/10 of my mana just to get me 1 foot above ground and let me down

make it like a sort of BIG jump in that case where you can then use the glider

[blissful brook]

idk what was changed i just picked the game up after patch 8

but all this shit in the inner circle needs to be axed from the regular skill tree

[candid axle]

it was instantanious

[candid axle]

meh imo

like the finish melee thing is ok there

[blissful brook]

the merciless attack?

[candid axle]

forgot the name

[blissful brook]

oh and the new heavy attacks are super useless

[candid axle]

and the grapling hook's skills are trash

[blissful brook]

at least on greatsword

they miss 50% of the time

[candid axle]

heavy attacks should have combo like the normal

[blissful brook]

90% of the time if there is the smallest pebble or elevation in your way

[candid axle]

but cost stamina

[blissful brook]

they do NOT stun the enemy always

you are NOT stun immune while using them

[candid axle]

I don't even have heavy attack on mage

[blissful brook]

and as far as i can tell they do NOT deal double poise damage

[candid axle]

but I would improve melee with stances

[blissful brook]

meanwhile, the R spin attack is a super op lawnmower

[candid axle]

using some footwork

[blissful brook]

that you get for free

[candid axle]

kicks

[blissful brook]

but the 5 skillpoint "melee finisher" for 2h is nearly useless

[candid axle]

new quest that gives you skills

[blissful brook]

since you almost never get to finish your combo for all the stagger bullshit even the smallest rat inflicts on you

plus it has like 2/3 the aoe of R for some reason

[candid axle]

I would love that blink can go in the air once

[blissful brook]

it never hits unless you are faceplanting the enemies

[candid axle]

once or twice

[blissful brook]

oh and the stun bullshit on boars and tigers needs to go

that is actual cancer

[candid axle]

damn right

[blissful brook]

the only reason i actually picked up blink

hadnt crossed my mind before but im not going back

[candid axle]

they should slow you down AT BEST

[blissful brook]

yea maybe a bleed effect

[candid axle]

I understand the reasoning behind it tbh

[candid axle]

cool idea

the burning effect from the scavenger is also cancer

[blissful brook]

idk i just actually hate most enemies

theyre so unfun

[candid axle]

what do you mean my fire mage is getting burned ?

[blissful brook]

the sicklescythe is awful

[candid axle]

aim bot shit

[blissful brook]

spam the upswing attack

[candid axle]

can't dodge it

[blissful brook]

yea

[candid axle]

take half of my stamina

[blissful brook]

it actually 180s and hits you anyways

cant even dodge it with blink

[candid axle]

gotta play like a cat and hide behind a wall or smt

[blissful brook]

the archers are annoying as hell

[candid axle]

give the boss more attack pattern

but less op crap

[blissful brook]

you run at them, instant run away or ministun you with the shroud ball

[candid axle]

if you died it should be a skill issue

[fringe wing]

No idea how people play this on anything above normal difficulty ... i wanted to try out the Stun-Electro mage build and got almost 2 shot by one of the Drak mages and after 3 shot by a Drak warrior xD

Are people FR playing this like its DarkSouls ? xD

[candid axle]

it shouldn't be cuz you are a melee and fighting a flying crap witch with aim bot and wall hack

[blissful brook]

yea

[blissful brook]

and as far as i know theyre immune to hook grabs too lol

[candid axle]

I play archemage with lightning magic, ice and fire

[blissful brook]

but i just read that

[blissful brook]

yea same

i tried survival enemy damage first and just put it back to 100%

[fringe wing]

im contemplating going back to melee just so i dont die and have to play darksouls xD

[blissful brook]

a singular wolve dealt like 50% of my hp damage with heaviest armor

[candid axle]

I have made an op build so I don't even know how it felt back then

[fringe wing]

Yeah this game is weirdly fokused on a Soulslike gameplay

[candid axle]

like necromancer, fire / ice / lightning / healing mage

blink and high mobility

[blissful brook]

well id like that in principal it just does it so badly

[candid axle]

same health as a melee build

[fringe wing]

Problem is .. if you g oto the drak and balance your world on their dmg ... the rest of the mobs do not deal ANY damage . .the Drak are jsut insanely OP xD

[candid axle]

2 stamina bar

tbh

the balancing could be done by the player

through the game settings

but it won't be enough

[blissful brook]

yea that jump attacks and dodge attacks they do are too strong and too frequent

but as for bosses i enjoyed them tthe most tbh

except for sicklescythe and the stupid buggy wyvern youngling

[fringe wing]

Well im only lvl 33 so im missing some points

i currently have:
1275 HP
1414 Mana
666 Stam

And 240 magic armor ... and i still Loose over half my HP to one of the Drak mages cast xD

[blissful brook]

that just resets its hp

spawns unlimited fel dragons in the middle that clutter up the canyon

pushes you off the edge when stunned

[fringe wing]

Bosses are great .. but some enemie attacks are extremely unbalanced compared to the "normal" attacks .. and way to frequent

[blissful brook]

i actually put my game on relaxed just to basically skip the fight

the fire beam that you cant outrun

[candid axle]

I farm that b

but I think I will buff him

[fringe wing]

Yeah i tried him in normal .. and switched to easy after 3 attempt xD

[candid axle]

cuz it's no more a fight

more of a slaughter

[blissful brook]

i prefer that to the mess it is right now

its actually unplayable

i fly over the crater and it resets

or i fly over the crater, get stuck on one of those drakes and fall into the lava

no thanks

[fringe wing]

i love when you open the glider and dont get the updraft from the lava below and just .. FALL xD

[blissful brook]

yea that too

[candid axle]

that's ANNOYING ASF

even the big boy died in it once

no joke bro fell into the volcano while dying

[blissful brook]

but the ogres, drak bosses the big guys with the spear

i like those

could have some more moves

but they feel good to fight

[candid axle]

shroud cyclops are way too op compared to normal cyclops

[blissful brook]

shroudstalker is ok but the melee attack shouldnt just straight oneshot you from full hp on normal

[candid axle]

depend on your build but yeah

I mean bro is like an alien

[blissful brook]

maybe i just never did hollow halls till max lvl

[candid axle]

they kinda ambush your ahh and one shot you

[candid axle]

depend what cyclops

[blissful brook]

doing those on normal lvl solo is just torment

[candid axle]

there are 3 cyclops type

[blissful brook]

not even just the cyclops

but the sheer amount of enemies with all the ministun

[candid axle]

the shroud one, normal one and Hollow halls one

[blissful brook]

why isnt there a solo setting for halls

oh the shroud ones are the laser ones?

[fringe wing]

What i love about melee (and why i switched off a tank build to mage) .. nenemies hit you and interrupt/stun you alot .. even if the enemie is in the attack animation and you hit them they just act liek nothing happened .. BUT when they hit you in the attack animation you get interrupted/stuned

Thats sooo annoying

[blissful brook]

yep

[candid axle]

they are the same

[blissful brook]

thats what i meant

this finisher move for 5 points

[candid axle]

the laser is op

[blissful brook]

is borderline useless

[candid axle]

should be 3

[blissful brook]

80% of the time you just get ministunned out of your attack chain

[candid axle]

3 and then get some type of upgrade

[fringe wing]

Yeah

[blissful brook]

and on top it has like 50% of the aoe of the R skill

[candid axle]

what level are you guys ?

[fringe wing]

In halls 10 of the small enemies can NOT kill you .. but they keep you "interrupted" so you cant attack .... i was stuck there once in a corner for 10min

[fringe wing]

30+

[blissful brook]

45 max lvl

done with the game just building now

[candid axle]

don't you clear the hollow halls ?

[blissful brook]

well i do now

i attempted the first one at lvl 12 and just said no thanks

not dealing with 30 enemies including 6 mages with slowing frost bolts and 30 ministuns

[candid axle]

the problems with the hollow halls is that the moment you can think of trying to clear them, you are already at least 5 level higher compared to it

[blissful brook]

they should just have a solo setting

since there is important stuff locked behind them

also, the bows headshots are ridiculously weak

even with the perk

[fringe wing]

Also .. why do staffes feel so underwhelming?
Without a tan kyou cant even really use the stun once against enemies cause the range on cast is so small . .youre in the same range as wand but deal less dmg

[candid axle]

I do 1K damage at least

[fringe wing]

i cleared 2

[candid axle]

the light magic ?

[blissful brook]

well i do 2,5k with a greatsword upswing crit

and you can actually reliably hit those

[fringe wing]

yes chain lightning etc

[candid axle]

oh chain lightning ok

yeah it sucks

[fringe wing]

and shock wisps are compeltely useless xD

[blissful brook]

also my GOD why is there only one legendary greatsword

[fringe wing]

There are .. alot ?

[candid axle]

there is only one unique yeah

[fringe wing]

i have like 5

[blissful brook]

what?

[candid axle]

3 perso

[blissful brook]

i only have the north guard one lol

[fringe wing]

Megalodon

[candid axle]

megalodon teath one, night thing one

and unique one

[blissful brook]

megalodon isnt legendary

[candid axle]

but there are way more

[blissful brook]

i mean the ones you can craft later

[candid axle]

yes it can be

[candid axle]

yeah that last once has a cool design

[blissful brook]

im pretty sure i had a megalodon once

but its not craftable

[candid axle]

you mean unique ?

[blissful brook]

yea i guess

[candid axle]

then yeah there is only one

cuz it was added latter than any other weapon

[blissful brook]

every item can be legendary except for boss items

well thats no excuse

you can just add some other to loot tables

[candid axle]

actualy

[blissful brook]

like theres no legy commanders ring and so on

[candid axle]

ohhhhh

[blissful brook]

but other than that

[candid axle]

unique loot from boss ok

[blissful brook]

i still use that ring btw

far as i can tell its the only one with life leech

[candid axle]

there is another one

[blissful brook]

lvl 19 lol

[fringe wing]

i have 2 legendaries max level

[candid axle]

ok it's lower level but ther is another one

[blissful brook]

can you show me?

[candid axle]

wait a minute

I have to go on the game and take the right guy

I have 3 max level characters

it's only one of the two

the other is random luck

[fringe wing]

If i use explosives like arrows etc ... and i "landscape" while doing so .. will the terrain reset eventually ?
Or will i have a baren wasteland after 100 play hours?

[fringe wing]

Why are your gems in the armor RED ????

[blissful brook]

only outside your base perimeter

but yes

[candid axle]

wth ?

[candid axle]

dyed it

[blissful brook]

is that a unique ring?

[fringe wing]

Ouh i never tried Dyes

[candid axle]

that's my paladin

he sucks when fighting large group of flying

[fringe wing]

how does one even use dyes ?

[candid axle]

alchemist

[fringe wing]

Know how long ?

[blissful brook]

idk

i guess its the same as the ore respawn timer

any landscaping and destruction will reset eventually

i tore down a scav base for mine and some props just outside the perimeter keep respawning after a while

[fringe wing]

goood to know

thanks

I really wish i could play melee-Tank ... and not get attack interrupted every other attack 🙁

[blissful brook]

that ring, what does it translate to in english?

i wanna find it on the wiki

[candid axle]

gemini ring

[blissful brook]

oh it says unique

well then, commanders ring it is lol

as to staff, i think they announced mage changes for release

i hope those will be more impactful than the current melee "changes"

i think id fall asleep at the keyboard playing a wand build right now

its just dark souls cookie clicker right now

[candid axle]

the wand is boring but the only fast attack you have as a mage

[blissful brook]

also my god

can they do something about pickaxe specialization

its so bad

with axe you can cut down 15 trees in one go while pickaxe just misses half the time and barely does anything when it hits

[candid axle]

I never used either

can you explain what they do ?

does the axe make a big slash ?

[blissful brook]

its 2h R

thats what it does

its amazing

you plant some trees and chop down like 15 in one go

big whirlwind attack

funnily enough its better than the 2h finisher from the skill tree

has like 2x the aoe

actually hits stuff at the edges

[candid axle]

damn

I thought it was useless cuz tools

[blissful brook]

nah just get it when your trees are ready

its amazing

not very useful for open world since the trees dont grow in one spot

but for farms its actual god tier

the biggest problem then is pressing e 1000 times for all the wood

[candid axle]

it would destroy my hanging garden

BRUH

[blissful brook]

yea its destroys your fences and such be careful

[candid axle]

I would like to fuse magic spells

let me have a meteore shower of fire

or fly on the big birds

[blissful brook]

yea it sounds neat but probably beyond the games scope

id rather they fix all the basics first

because theyre so undercooked

its quite sad actually since the combat system has a lot of potential

[candid axle]

I want to burn them, the fell, the scavenger

and fight a real ||dragon||

the size we can find but alive

what a fight that would be

[blissful brook]

easy up there nero 😄

[candid axle]

I want to eat one

must be good meat

[blissful brook]

but yea its weird how you get status effects on your but cant apply any to enemies

we have poison arrows that dont poison

[blissful brook]

i use pickaxe specialization facing a chunk of obsidian and get 1 obsidian

what the actual hell

[misty sedge]

Pick spec is pretty underwhelming

[blissful brook]

it doesnt seem to take into account the mining perks at all either

theres no way someone playtests this for more than one use and says "feels fine"

meanwhile i get a chunk every second chop with a golden pickaxe

[fringe wing]

I read that i should use the Ignited bow instead of the forsaken for an Archer Explo build .. but my explo arrow does less dmg with the ignited .. im confused

[lament shard]

How old is what you read?

[fringe wing]

this year after update 9 i think

[light radish]

Question regarding the skills for pickaxe (miner / prospector): None of them has any effect on "other" terrain like snow, moss etc.? 🤔

[lament shard]

I was thinking it could be a weapon level or skill issue

[fringe wing]

Both Weapons are 50/50

[light radish]

I might not remember the bows correctly but forsaken should have higher damage as all upgrades are damage related. Ignite bow has additional crit chance as one of the upgrades if I remember correctly.

That might explain the damage difference. 🤔

[fringe wing]

yes

5% crit

and reaping

but F.... reaping xD

[lament shard]

CC is important

[light radish]

They both have their advantages: forsaken does "different damage types", which can also help with resistance, but if you're after crit you might end with neither of them. 🤔

[fringe wing]

yeah thats what i thought .. the 5% crit cant possible out the overall higher dmg

[light radish]

Don't underestimate those 5%.

[lament shard]

It triggers skills more often

[light radish]

If it brings you to 45% crit chance it's massive.

[fringe wing]

WITH 14% .. without 9% xD

[light radish]

But I think there's at least one bow with 2x5% crit chance around.

[fringe wing]

32 is with everything

so i could get to 37

[light radish]

Not exactly but that's around every 4th (if unlucky) giving you a crit.

[fringe wing]

Avalanche Starter has 2x6 so 12

[light radish]

That would bring you to 44. Rings included? 🤔

[fringe wing]

i do have the rings yes

not wearign them

urrently using life leech rings

[light radish]

We clearly don't have enough ring slots while having 10 fingers.

[fringe wing]

TRUE .. lemme use ALL the rings! xD

[light radish]

Or give us a glow ring for bow users.

[fringe wing]

glow ring ?

[light radish]

"Ring of burning light" it's called.

[fringe wing]

Ouh thats why i mglowing when playing mage

i was soo oconfused xD

i wrote it off as a bug

xD

[fringe wing]

with rings i would have enough crit to make it worse it .. without no xD
i dont crit enoug hto leave behind the much higher dmg

[light radish]

Not a bug. They just forgot to add versions for the other classes.

[light radish]

I don't do "perfect builds" and am more a fan of crit to begin with, but: Maybe just try both options and see what works better for you? 🤔

Forsaken has one big advantage over for example avalance: You've more choices regarding gems independent from the arrows you use.

[rough token]

So I've actually gone for Traitor's Bow on this playthrough and I'm going for maximum damage between bow/range %dmg and skillshot %dmg, and those skillshots feel like I'm critting every time anyway -- as well as having the multiple gems available (currently running a bow with Burning, Focused Light, and Hopeful Embers). Just swapping between Ring of Burning Light and Ring of Frost depending on content I'm doing and I'm having way more fun than just going hard crit avalanche setup.

Critting on top of those headshots is insane damage for a bow. But even without I'm still slamming 2k easy.

So if you really want an option for having a ring giving you a light source, just try manipulating your build a bit to let that happen. No reason you can't have the light too.

[fringe wing]

i dont really like it nor want it tbh i find it weird .. especially since the glow is yellow

What does this mean ?
Does this weapon deal bonus shrouddmg thats not listed i nthe top DMG section ?

[tired breach]

I cannot find that server

[sudden marsh]

If you upgrade the weapon it will have +x shroud damage

[tired breach]

I can only find 1 depot server total, is that normal?

[void juniper]

Wth is that pfp dawg

[fringe wing]

But so do other weapons that dont have that "perk"

[sudden marsh]

Yes, that particular weapon is more likely to have more of them

[fringe wing]

wild xD

some game choices are soo weird xD

[sudden marsh]

It's just letting you know that A) more % of the upgraded damage will be shroud, and B) you can only find that particular class of weapon in shroud dungeons

[void juniper]

https://tenor.com/view/cute-yeat-yeat1-drake-fart-gif-16739531189860781271

Special attack

NOO what

[fringe wing]

Yeah B makes sense .. but A ... that a useless info to have cause oyu can already see the upgrades beforehand .. no need to repeat the already stated

[void juniper]

why r u doin this to me

[sudden marsh]

Well there's also the flavor part

[sudden marsh]

no gifs in chat alas!

[void juniper]

WHO IS ALAS

[tired breach]

Dripped out bird

[void juniper]

are u a bird from THAT island?

[sudden marsh]

Two things I remind myself to consider when I have similar responses to seemingly weird stuff in the game is
that
1): some people find flavor text like that enriching, (although I agree it would be better if it had direct implications in gameplay)

and 2 [this is armchair game designer nonsense if I'm honest]): a lot of non-gigantic dev teams have lots of ideas that they'd like to expand on and there just isn't enough time. I agree its a weird indicator if its purpose isn't pure flavor- maybe its part of a more detailed approach to itemization that wasn't in scope for them to develop/expand on?

[fringe wing]

to the 2nd on .. i dont gues on such things.. for all we know someone could have left it in there by accident cause it was planned but then scrapped .. or maybe someone thought its funny to make us gues .. who cares .. we dont know..
All i know is its an unecessary text that indicates it does smth special while it doesnt xD

[sudden marsh]

Then I recommend you give it a pass for being flavor text, which is everywhere in this game and offers zero mechanical insights

[fringe wing]

yeah the problem for me is that its has the same looks as other "perks" in weapons .. it doesnt look like the other Flavortexts

[rough token]

My only real complaint is when the text says it does something, but then doesn't actually do what it says. Which comes up a lot with the gems from what I've noticed. Biggest gripe being the Gem of Focused Light right now. Seems to really only activate within a certain range of enemies, and has a bit of janky smart targeting for which enemy it begins to build focus on when multiple targets are present -- sometimes not being the target you're aiming your bow at.

[lusty echo]

I was just asking for help from googles AI cuse I'm struggling ALOT to play warrior in the veilwater region. More or less instant stamina drains on trying to block, parrying impossible cause severe input lagg and more.
And the AI basically said, well, the game devs seems to be struggling a lot with balancing of combat, especially in the higher levels of the game, so I'd suggest you ditch the game entirely

[lusty echo]

HOW am I supposed to deal with shamans?
They One-shot me with their fecking yellow light balls. If I get close, they blow me up (no self damage to them)
If I stand from afar, the new crap reset system keeps resetting them so they cant be cheesed.... HOW?

[rough token]

What weapon style are you using exactly? Are you trying to 1h + shield? I've found the easiest way to deal with them was sneaking up to them and then giving them a nice big slam from the empowered 2h attack.

[lusty echo]

I'm using 1h and shield exclusively. + bow when I have to but arrows are expensive and I have nothing speced in those trees

[rough token]

Might just be an issue of build then. If you're doing the sword and board playstyle, you kinda need to have a dps with you since you're more of a tank than a damage dealer.

You could try going with wand and shield and go for a battle mage playstyle maybe?

[cursive citrus]

https://enshrouded-skill-tree.com/?shortCode=6a10e9e6389616762aa9504d

Here’s the build I helped a friend with

This has absolutely no issue whatsoever with my server settings with hard+highest enemy density

It’s incredibly strong as a 1h and shield build

It has tools for basically any scenario

Kick is a force of nature, and with a single parry you can instantly merciless

With two rings of ultimate health, you’ve got insane sustainability

[weary crane]

I find it's easiest to time it. They take a while to 'charge up' their yellow-splosion, so if you time it right, you wait until it's doing a romulan plasma towards you, blink dodge past it, likely blink a second time to close the gap to the summoner, boop boop boop boop, get outa there back to range, repeat.

You can also line of sight it with something (so it hits a column) but that's a lot tougher since you then need to both time it, and blink past the column as well. (And can easily blink back into the column if you are going for maximum blink away speed without looking.)

If you don't have blink / emergency blink I highly recommend it. I never do a build without it. (It's pretty much the second thing I get after double jump.)

[cunning mural]

Ahem

...The hell you mean "sneak attack" damage?

Bow's can't sneak attack

wait...
quick, Skyrim players! here's your new bow!

[misty sedge]

I just Begone! the Drak shamans and 2-tap them with Greatsword 🤷‍♂️

[winter elk]

Had another idea, Legendary and/or Lore Weapons replace the standard "special" associated with their class with a unique effect, like a bow could replace the power shot with a Rain of Arrows (either lauches arrows skyward to land around you when not locked-on, or launches arrows skyward to land around the enemy you've locked-on for several seconds)
Worth booting adding to the upvote thing?

[bronze hollow]

While you're at it, can you suggest a Hamstring skill for Assassin's? Chasing them Fell rangers is driving me nuts. I'd suggest it, but, being that I'm very lazy......I'll just complain about it here instead.

[cunning mural]

complaining about the game I love is my second favorite pass-time

[bronze hollow]

Seems to be coming mine also lol

[cunning mural]

it's not cause you hate the game... it's because you like it, and want it to be better

[bronze hollow]

I mean, if I wasn't enjoying it I wouldn't be on my third character play through and have 1800+ hours spent playing. so yeah.

[cunning mural]

clearly I complain cause I hate this game

[bronze hollow]

Same

[cunning mural]

also, I swear the rangers didn't always run away

[bronze hollow]

They did, but not to the extent they do now. It's bloody annoying lol

[cunning mural]

I don't know when it was added...
but I sure do remember being annoyed when it was added

[misty sedge]

Got worse when they removed "warping" towards enemies

[cunning mural]

you know what amazing 2006 innovation I want games to bring back?

the fact Twilight Princess link could swing his sword while running

[bronze hollow]

Yeah, it's a recent change. and I get it, it's a combat change to make the game feel more "realistic" but man, I think they went a tiiiiiny bit too far.

[mossy ridge]

It's definitely too much, those guys run freakin' laps 😅

[bronze hollow]

FAX

[cunning mural]

I wish we had a sprint attack
https://youtu.be/8K4LHi1Yt4c

[bronze hollow]

I spend more time chasing Fell rangers than killing bosses lol.

It's not an issue for MY ranger character. 2 shots to the head and they're toast (not the blue kind lol)

But my Assassin character😫

[cunning mural]

sprint attack would be so useful when chasing enemies

or using the grappling hook...

Enshrouded needs like, a ton of little changes, small tweaks that could significantly improve the game... but since I've heard the devs are "running out of time" it feels unlikely that those changes will happen before 1.0, since they gotta finish like... the rest of the land

[bronze hollow]

Just give Assassin's a Hamstring ability. 1/2 their escape speed and problem solved. you'd still have to get in their face to kill them but you wouldn't need to run all over the bloody map to catch them.

ALSO, they never run out of Stamina 🤔

[cunning mural]

it's odd we can't use the grappling hook on enemies... I kinda want a "Grappling hook" button now

[bronze hollow]

well, we can with bosses, but that'd be another "fix" although I could see that causing big problems too

[cunning mural]

instead of just E/interact, a separate button for grappling hook points, and using it "free style" outside of combat

mostly the game just needs to give every enemy a flag of "weight"

heavy enemies we get pulled to, light enemies we pull to us, "medium/normal" enemies we close the gap, pulling us together

[bronze hollow]

I would use that NONSTOP lol. NGL that'd be OP

[mossy ridge]

Despite the whole "not supposed to be an MMORPG" thing - I think the game would actually benefit massively from a very simple MMORPG style combat system - with just a few skill buttons, potentially get rid of single clicks and just have hold to attack combo instead

[deft tundra]

Is there any way to spend mana effectively in combat as a warrior in such a way that you're enhancing your melee instead of focusing on wands or staffs?

[bronze hollow]

I honestly like the simple style of combat. I wouldn't want it to get too complicated. The button mashing does get a little much at times tho.

[cunning mural]

I hate to give you so much push back... but... the thing I can't stand about MMO's is the numpad combat

I like simple combat that's more... smash bros / zelda / fighting game in nature?
"fighting games aren't simple"
like... being able to press 1 button, and different states, do different things... hitting "kick" in air... does an air kick revolutionary

[bronze hollow]

Not really, unless you're speced into Magic or like Eternal arrows. mana is mainly used by the Mage class.

[misty sedge]

2 things with MMO's -
1.) I don't like grinding for equipment, at least in the sense of entire armor pieces dropping from chests. I think the content should be good enough to make you want to play it, it shouldn't be "you have a reason to explore this area because you can get higher number armor"
2.) I don't want "hold to attack" combos - holding the button to heavy attack already gets wonky in Enshrouded, I don't want all combat to be like that

[mossy ridge]

I'm talking super simple

for anyone who ever played Neverwinter - it's literally 3 skills, L+R hold basic attacks, and an ultimate + class ability

[bronze hollow]

I love that we now have a "heavy" attack and the Charged attack is

[cunning mural]

my biggest problem with MMO combat, is if my attacks are assigned to random buttons like 1-5

[cunning mural]

but if it's as simple as "you can hold shield (right click) and press attack (left click) to do a kick?" (literally how it works in enshrouded right now) then I am fine with it

even the "specialization/focus attack" I re-bound to middle mouse button for ease of "mouse for combat" association I now have

[bronze hollow]

I used to play Guildwars. As much as I loved that game, I don't want that kinda combat system in this game.

[mossy ridge]

Guild wars is way more advanced than Neverwinter was

[cunning mural]

I think the best combat for this kind of game, is something more "Zelda-y"

I am not against them adding a couple more actions we can do... but they gotta be really careful on them, and do not put them on a hotbar or I will just flat out quit I can't hot bar for my life

"press 5"
presses 6, 7, 4, and T but never 5

[bronze hollow]

I'm too lazy these days to be selecting different buttons for different attacks. I have 3 buttons I use now, that's plenty enough.

[mossy ridge]

Out of all the ideas anyway - I think overall they really need to decide whether it's tab-target or soft-lock action combat 😅

because currently it's a jank in-between

[cunning mural]

Craftopia has both a good combat system I like, and the combat system I hate

it has:
normal attacks, sprint attacks, jump attacks, right + left click can do different actions, and depending on what you press can do cool things
it also has:
the option to put "special skills" on a hot bar, which i never use and never will

[bronze hollow]

I only use the Tab lock on for Bosses and flying enemies. the rest are usually easy enough with out it.

[mossy ridge]

I almost never use it, but the current targeting is super jank - the amount of times my character misses enemies that are in front of their face is crazy

[bronze hollow]

Yea, it does happen to me too, mostly I notice it with the Merciless attack missing. That one kinda sux.

[cunning mural]

I wish you could stealth attack wolves

[mossy ridge]

I dropped merciless entirely because of that random shooting you forward half a mile past the enemy thing it does

[cunning mural]

anyone else notice you can't stealth attack wolves? but can merciless strike them?

[misty sedge]

LOL I hope that never gets fixed, my favorite bug

[bronze hollow]

This has killed me soooo many times lmao. I end up in the poo cos I got flung across the map with NO control. It's funny as hell and annoying at the same time.

[mossy ridge]

You know that golden chest by the banshee in cromville - across from the library building with the bugs?

I got launched off of there like 3 times into the Shroud - dropped it after that 🤣

[cunning mural]

I stopped using merciless strike... because I can never stun enemies before they die

[bronze hollow]

I'll never drop Merciless tho. It's way too good not to use.

[mossy ridge]

I've just switched to using heavy attacks now 😅

[cunning mural]

I stopped using heavy attacks... when I hit the corpse at my foot instead of the enemy I was trying to hit

or the wooden platform I was standing on...

[bronze hollow]

BATS!!!!

[misty sedge]

I use heavy attacks entirely on accident now

[cunning mural]

bats are a HUGE problem for heavy attacks

[mossy ridge]

Yeah, they're still really bad - but at least it won't send me off a cliff 🤣

[misty sedge]

I almost wish heavy attacks were a skill node so I could NOT unlock them

[cunning mural]

by technicality, the "Crash down" attack is now a heavy attack in the air

[bronze hollow]

I only use Heavy attack to give me room, like if I'm getting swarmed, otherwise yeah. meh

[cunning mural]

"surrounded? heh... well I am gonna push ONE of you back!"

[mossy ridge]

I use them for stunlocking the elites like the double sword guys or armoured fell

[bronze hollow]

If it's one of them annoying ones, yeah. also, it builds up their stun bar pretty good.

[cunning mural]

I do like the heavy attack in concept
but like a lot of things in enshrouded
it needs to be tweaked a little

my worst experience, minus bats..

[bronze hollow]

Bat's need fixed. that's very annoying

[cunning mural]

I was hit by an ice spell in a hollow hall, slowed, approaching a mage doing another ice spell, I got just close enough and did a heavy attack... and my sword, barely clipped a floating skull guy BEHIND THE SORCERER (and slightly to the right), and didn't hit the sorcerer

so I got smacked by the ice spell

[bronze hollow]

I did Hollow Halls a few days ago and man, I was having a hell of a time with them little Covid carriers.

[cunning mural]

I didn't die, but my sword didn't actually hit the skull, the hitbox hit the skull, and my sword went through the sorcerer... but didn't hurt him at all

which, is one of my major pet-peeves in MMO's btw... swords going through enemies, and "missing"

usually with literal text that says "missed" in MMOs case

[bronze hollow]

Try hitting the Skulls with daggers

[cunning mural]

get the jump attack

not the crash down, the ascending strike one

[bronze hollow]

Points, man. Points

[cunning mural]

it's so useful for skulls

[bronze hollow]

If I could afford it, I'd grab it.

[cunning mural]

lots of little tweaks need to be made to the skill tree, I've definitely said this before but... swap the assassin and survivor skill trees

put the assassin dagger skills, near the warrior section, not the mage section, and let us spec into the skills melee weapons share between them

that "Evasion attack" is shared with the mage tree

why? wands can't even do that attack, and yet branching off of Evasion attack is which two skill trees?
1H sword... and wands

[bronze hollow]

I'm sure there's going to be another "tweak" either before or just after release. there's a few places that just don't make sense (work)

[cunning mural]

lol, there definitely has to be a tweak

cause there's still no staff specialization pickaxes have a specialization, but not staff

[bronze hollow]

yea, go figure lmao

[misty sedge]

Staff spec has to be a slam on the ground "get away from me" shockwave

[cunning mural]

I agree

[opal escarp]

GIVE ME

https://tenor.com/view/green-goblin-green-goblin-mask-mask-scene-reject-urge-gif-2558149218007024011

the bow and me

[devout coral]

Anyone knows why "Kick" doesn't trigger "Shockwave" (warrior) when it stuns ??

It doesn't even trigger either "Breach" (the 100% increased damage to stunned targets)

I'm so peepoo-sad

[cursive citrus]

Because despite what the skill says, you only get the bonus damage on a parry into stun. Or the shockwave from a parry

[devout coral]

I'm pretty sure I get shockwave from attacking blocking enemies also

[blazing osprey]

Spellsword. Think that's the idea at least. Though those ate more likely to use melee+staff, not melee+wand, so those subtrees need to be swapped

[exotic holly]

https://enshrouded.featureupvote.com/suggestions/707966/comment/782540#comment782540

[winter elk]

Ice Nova would be more fun imo

[misty sedge]

Honestly, it would be a lot of work, but a different one for fire/ice/shock and then a generic slam shockwave for everything else would be awesome

Fire could be a concentrated beam of fire, ice could be ice nova, shock could call a lightning bolt down on any enemies in a certain area like the Vukah shamans have but wider-hitting

[winter elk]

It would probaby be basetype-dependent. Fire-focused staves would be an igniting nova, Ice staves freeze, and maybe for lightning a larger blast and a ring (2-hit skill)

[void juniper]

https://tenor.com/view/wizard-rock-throwing-gif-3095471689337470556

[weary crane]

I'm fairly certain "sneak attack" happens when you hit an enemy that isn't "aware" of you yet. Sooo... that first shot, against the first enemy, before their aware marker runs out and they attack you.

[split sphinx]

Sneak attack is when you crouch and get cluse to the enemy without them seeing you (sneak up behind them) you the get the sneak attack option, on a PC it is the letter E.

[weary crane]

Also that, but as I said, I'm pretty sure it counts when they aren't aware. Like how "backstab" damage counts from the side.

Otherwise, yes, it'd be pretty pointless to have it only activate on the melee button press with a bow.

[split sphinx]

Oh, that makes sense. I hadn't thought about that. So, does that mean when I shoot them from far away, my first shot has sneak attack damage? I never considered that possibility.

[weary crane]

Think so. I haven't used a bow since I first got early access like 2 years ago, heh.

Thing is though it's only that first shot that's going to count. After that they and everything around them would be aware.

You might be able to see the text on hit, though I'd imagine that it'd be pretty small at that distance, heh.

[copper canopy]

didn't there use to be a "swift reflexes" skill where you get a damage boost after a perfect parry?

[lament idol]

What kinda gear should I be looking for as a mage that just completed the pikemeads reach?

First time ever playing a mage and trying to figure out what kinda gear I should be looking for as I continue.

[mossy ridge]

You're not really in build territory that early.

Anything mana leech, health leech, mana regeneration and probably fire damage for the early gem of burning is about as involved as it gets

[lament idol]

I feel like the staff does no damage rn compared to the wands.

[mossy ridge]

I think the only mage specific gear that early you could go for is the ring of rapacity for the quick charge stacks

[lament idol]

Gotcha

When does the staff damage pick up? Do I just need the upgraded spells?

[mossy ridge]

Better spells, more skill points, more mana, better gear like burning light/frost/thundersnow rings

Mage is kind of known for not picking up until mid-game currently

[fickle moth]

anyone knows if those work together?

also Healer apply to Health Leech from weapons and rings?

[steel dune]

been playing daggers a while now gem of bleeding never works with this weapon

[mossy ridge]

What daggers are you using?

[steel dune]

crsytal knives for testing the bleed dosent work with the weapon

[mossy ridge]

Yeah, they don't have any cutting damage - gem of bleeding needs cutting damage to proc

[steel dune]

all the daggers have piercing why some people in the internet giving shity info? wtf

[mossy ridge]

Yeah, some daggers have additional cutting damage with upgrades which might work, but the base damage is mostly piercing which won't proc that gem

I'm not sure what the % chance would be with only additional cutting damage as a source - depends if it's on every strike - I'm not entirely sure how that system works

[steel dune]

ima try the sandstorm daggers it has cutting damage on it upgrades

works with sandstorm now

only the oath daggers has the best damage + burning its like a one handed weapon but dual wield

[mossy ridge]

Different damage for different enemies - I think all Fell are weak to fire damage

[steel dune]

the flat damage of oath daggers level 50 is 84 kinda strong it can crit up to 800 every swing can face tank enemys with this weapon with the proper armors

+food buffs

[fringe wing]

it Staates Healing Spells ... so kd say it only qorks for anything spell related

[sudden burrow]

can someone pls help me fight the dragon 🥲

[rocky epoch]

wondering why do people prefer 2H swords instead of 2H axes or hammers?

[mossy ridge]

Variety, aesthetics, build options, unique gear, gems, and the fact that a lot of people don't realise that the 2H damage doesn't stack with the greatsword damage skill and they're wasting 2-3 points

[rocky epoch]

ye I tried all 2H weapons and can say 2H swords deal way less damage than the other weapons, also they are slightly slower

even my 1H sword deals more dps ^^

[mossy ridge]

The base damage per hit is exactly the same though across 2H

[rocky epoch]

are there any swords with at least 3 times raw dmg? because I have hammers and axes that do have this, making them hit harder than my swords

[mossy ridge]

I'm not seeing an opportunistic Ghammer/Gaxe in my collection, would have to check a depot - but that could be another reason for the soaked builds

Gem of Bleeding is another reason people favour Gswords

Yeah I'm not seeing an opportunistic option for Ghammer/Gaxe - so that rules them out for soaked crit builds, just leaving Megalodon Gsword

Then Guard of the North has double crit chance for Bleed gems

And Forked Tongue has +1 Titan Edge to combine with Greatsword Gauntlets

[rocky epoch]

I am still trying to get better melee armor, but I always find something for mages or hunter

[mossy ridge]

I think Greatsword just has the better options for max level

champion's axe and war hero axe are pretty nice though

[rocky epoch]

I treid everything with the weapons but my favorite stays my hammer with triple blunt dmg and double cit dmg

[mossy ridge]

Not a whole lot of gem options for that though

[rocky epoch]

actually I don't care at all at gems

nearly every gem is useless

[mossy ridge]

Depends on the difficulty etc

But things like gem of bleeding are popular for health leech ring setups for DoT+HoT

Then Megalodon setups with gem of currents

[devout coral]

Why would you want to go into the warrior tree as a dagger assassin ? Strength does not increase dagger dmg anyway

Assassin was design to be mixed with ranger, and play with dagger+bow

[mossy ridge]

STR might not affect daggers, but they're still melee weapons and can benefit from melee skills - HP is also in the warrior tree, which is obviously good for everyone

[mortal shell]

Oh wait so I either choose 2h damage or a specific dmg type like hammers?

[unreal willow]

If im following an archer build, what daggers would be the best to pair with the ignition bow? The build has me putting stuff in assassin but doesnt say use daggers. But after the highlands hollows Im feeling I need a melee option in case 50 enemies come barreling out of a gate and I cant get away

[weary crane]

I asked that about a week ago and someone confirmed yes.

[weary crane]

Pretty sure it's still there in the dagger area, though I don't recall it boosting damage.

[misty sedge]

Moveset more fun

[half furnace]

https://enshrouded-skill-tree.com/?shortCode=6a13854b02cec90eeb16b3bc made a build with all resist nodes. i wanted counterstrike, frost, radiant aura, shockwave and bloodrage for fun. its 1h melee fighter tank, autoattacking a lot. made for solo play

[mossy ridge]

Greataxe and greathammer gain damage from barbarians path skill, greatsword gains damage from titan edge skill

Greatsword doesnt gain any damage from barbarians path, despite it being in the same skill line and the text suggesting its all two-handed

[gleaming pond]

Well that's an interesting bit of information that I wouldn't have expected. Thank you

[merry mural]

Do you guys have any greatsword build? So I can compare to mine? Thank you !!!

[cursive citrus]

This is true currently, but the jury is still out if its intentional

[mossy ridge]

I think it's intentional, since greatswords were added basically as their own weapon type - it's just a poorly designed and uninformative system

It's like daggers not being melee weapons for STR but they are for upwards slash and crash down

There's all sorts of scuffed crossover between skills, but a complete lack of basic information

[cursive citrus]

They did get buffed pre patch

Thats the whole point of Greatswords

The highest potential damage if stacking both

Titans edge was also a much bigger pain to slot in pre patch 8

I have my issues with some skills being unintuitive like Shockwave and Overpower, or just in need of attention ala Righteous Fire

But when even Toast and the devs seemed confused, id reckon there's something rotten in embervale. And its not the fungus amongus

[mossy ridge]

Damned if I know if they don't 😝

But hopefully that info can save people 2-3 otherwise wasted skill points in the meantime

[half furnace]

this is pretty good. can reflect a lot of damage back (ive seen 1k) if you got the healing to keep up.
it works with arsonist, and can crit.

[cerulean tartan]

can the monarch trousers spawn at a higher level?

[half furnace]

dont think so

[cerulean tartan]

but still good tbh

[half furnace]

the more damage you take the better 😛

im trying all ways to abuse it lol. i tried tanking with heal channel just now. but theheal is too low

[cerulean tartan]

i wonder if there are any other armour types or rings that has counterstrike

[half furnace]

only found this other one

[slender schooner]

What's the best staff to use for Endgame?

[opal escarp]

monarch!

i love that armor

wish we had a better way to obtain it

[mossy ridge]

Depends on the build, but some of the more commonly used - Staff of the Moor (tri-leech), Staff of Clear/Crystalwater (double mana leech and regen) or Violet Storm (soaked gem of currents build)

[rocky epoch]

does legendary armor even exists for melee classes? I never even found a single piece, not even a purple one

I looted more than 200 silver and golden chests and never found a sigle piece

[mellow kettle]

Whichever gives you bonus damage against the mob type your targetings weakness; use the matching spell. Fell = Fire, Scavs = Cold, Drak = Lightning, others vary. Swap your rings in and out to suit. Though Fireball is AOE and can clip through walls and Ice Bolt penetrates water and can proc the soaked gear doing so.

[rocky epoch]

or does someone know a server where I can get golden armor? I am here with full mage and hunter sets, but I don't have any use of it

[mossy ridge]

Shroud Depot has max level legendary sets - not sure if they've updated yet for the rest, but they were collecting them

[torn ruin]

anyone know if Daggers are counted as 1 Handed weapons?

or if strength still afftects daggers?

[mossy ridge]

They are not, and STR doesn't affect them

The nodes that add piercing should - as well as skills like upward slash and crash down for melee weapons

[torn ruin]

STR affects all melee damage though?

[mossy ridge]

Don't believe anything the tooltips say 🤣

STR doesn't work on daggers, only DEX

[torn ruin]

ok yea was just 100% confirming

[frozen kindle]

Does anyone know If Commanders Ring or Gemini Ring CAN drop in Legendary Quality?

[cursive citrus]

No to both

[sand raven]

Alright, need a judgement call. What would be the 'best' class for a solo player to run? I'm trying a 2H build rn, and things like the sicklescythes are kicking my teeth in. I'm level 25 right now

[mossy ridge]

What kind of gear are you running? Got a good amount of health leech? Double Commanders or Gemini/Endless Life rings?

[sand raven]

Trying to get enough materials to upgrade from the Mercenary set. Health leech means nothing if I can't get close enough to hit the flying enemies.

I don't know if this is just a skill issue, but whenever I use the grapple skill to pull in flying enemies like the sicklescythe, it forces me into a crouch. Can't attack from there

[mossy ridge]

Never had that - I get forced into crouch from gliding sometimes, but never the grapple pull - not sure what that would be

[sand raven]

In terms of weapons, I'm using whatever I can find. At this moment, I have Dreadbane and a greatsword I found in the Hollowed Halls

[mossy ridge]

The sicklescythes are especially vicious this patch - they seem to have a super high attack frequency, but typically grounding hook and some upwards slash should be able to take care of them

Hopefully you're taking note of silver/gold chests on your map, but crafted gear is fairly redundant at this point - loot farming chests is a better option

[sand raven]

I mean, I have been looting chests as I find them. I know you used to be able to relog and reset the chests that way, but I'm guessing they closed that loophole

[mossy ridge]

Yeah they stopped that - they're on a timer reset now, but you need to be out of the area by a good amount of space

But a lot of gear can now drop as epic or legendary

[sand raven]

With that in mind, is there a decent place to hit within the Kindlewastes?

[mossy ridge]

Unfortunately I didn't start gear farming until the Summits (flew over early) as I was pre-combat patch, so I don't have anything for Kindlewastes worth really mentioning

[sharp current]

Ohh okay I thought I was just having skill issues. I didn't realize they'd been changed

I mean it's also probably a skill issue

[mossy ridge]

I've been fighting the one in Cromville a lot for the shroud loot, definitely seem wayyy more attack spammy than before

Seen a few other people mention it as well

[sharp current]

Gotcha, okay. I kept running out of stamina fighting one the other day and just decided to sneak in behind it to use the gem forge instead

[runic tree]

Been playing Windrose the last couple weeks, and I hate that it has the exact weapon crafting system I've wanted for Enshrouded for the past year and a half.

• Finding any weapon unlocks that weapon for crafting (limited to lore weapons in Enshrouded).
• Can craft weapons at 5 level intervals (partially implemented in Enshrouded, but only at current tier).
• Can level weapons up all the way to max level with higher tier materials (Enshrouded weapons only level up to 5 levels beyond what they're found at).
• Can upgrade weapon quality to epic with the possibility of up to legendary in future updates (crafted Enshrouded weapons are restricted to rare).
  I say again, this is what I wish Enshrouded's weapon crafting was like. D:

[mossy igloo]

I think I posted this question in the wrong place. Will Arsonist (fire damage) also affect any weapon that has magic fire on it as well as the Gem of Burning????? I am using both melee and bow magic fire.

[runic tree]

I know the elemental damage skills affect the elemental damage on weapons, but I'm not sure if they affect gems as well.

[cursive citrus]

They do

Element buffs are universal

So every source of it is affected

[mossy igloo]

Another question about Rings. I am like i said melee/bow but use magic fire. I just acquired the ring of ancients. Is it better than the life ring I am using?

In other words, is it better to have the regen since the ring of health gives so little life.

[gleaming pond]

That's a broad question honestly. They have bonuses that depend on how you're playing, so without knowing what other weapons you use and your playstyle it depends.
For example, you say melee but if you're using a 2hander then the warriors path perk does nothing for you.

[mossy igloo]

I am using an axe and shield along with bow for range. Both do pretty good damage. I have battle heal but I also have another ring that leaches health. I do use the mana for the ice arrow and I run a lot so stamina is kind of important.

[opal escarp]

id use the ring of ancients

[mossy igloo]

Just found out how important shell shock is!

[desert summit]

As an archer, it's basically a skill that unofficialy says "Here's immortality for you"

[unique anvil]

do daggers benefit from increased melee damage?

eg. this food says it increases melee damage

and this food says it increases dagger damage

so do they both increase dagger damage then?

or are daggers somehow not considered melee weapons

[runic tree]

Daggers generally aren't considered melee weapons when it comes to various bonuses. The only exceptions will usually specifically include daggers in their description.

[unique anvil]

dang, alright thanks

[mellow kettle]

AFAIK yes. May have changed but it used to and the description is broad enough.

[steel dune]

1st time seeing this ring

[final badger]

Hello got a q. Other than most mage gloves and ring of rapacity, anyone know any other equipment that grants the quick charge perk?

Or perhaps any one item that grants 2 quick charge perks

[half furnace]

only rings and gloves exist.

[void juniper]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/706781495259430942/819947748614209606/image0.gif

WTF

why isn't my gif loading

anyway

[fathom plinth]

Heyo. Just wondering. this patch round. What's arguably the strongest builds?

[lofty gull]

for me honestly quick charge fireball, most adaptable to any combat setting--- flying, aoe, etc. js me tho.

but the lack of reliable light source due to equipping 2 rings of rapacity is driving me nuts

[fathom plinth]

oh wow rapacity is still a thing haha

[lofty gull]

i would cheat engine the hell out of that ring of rapacity to make it legendary

[fathom plinth]

lols

I can't remember exacly last time i played. maybe just before water patch. Ranger was pretty solid.

Melee sucked

Mage strong as always

[lofty gull]

bow is still strong (most people say its the best), but melee is still not adaptable to the dragon fight

i would honestly change to bow if they introduce eternal explosive arrow, but until then magic is the way

[fathom plinth]

yeah i see all these 2 handed sword builds. but they also point out there's heaps of flying enemies.

[lofty gull]

all still agree daggers are the worst-- that never changed

[fathom plinth]

ahh good to know

[lofty gull]

i mean the sneak improvement made it playable, and they have daggers with the dagger roll move. but other than that, all other builds deliver better

[fathom plinth]

Did you get any cool new spells for your wizard?

[lofty gull]

no new eternal spells but dev promised an update for mages. only new equipment builds due to the introduction of equipment perks

[runic tree]

+8 mana regen is nothing to sneeze at (+16 if wearing two rings). Meanwhile maximum mana bonuses and penalties are largely irrelevant due to there being no percent based mana regen to actually fill the bar faster.

The latter portion is the reason why the ring is still useful despite multiple massive nerfs.

[sharp quiver]

WTB climbing!

[cursive citrus]

Ironically there is, but it only benefits a hybrid or spellsword. Snap is 10% of your mana on a merciless

But to your point yes, sources that give tiny amounts of flat mana are completely irrelevant. Especially when you you can have mana pools over 700 easily, and regen can be over 100

[half furnace]

Tanky Shroud Fire mage build. (for higher difficulty, max enemies)

https://enshrouded-skill-tree.com/?shortCode=6a15a45e3a230b633fc1af0c (i know it says 186/184 skillpoints. The website is inaccurate on the skillpoints cost for some skills.)

This build is tanky, has good damage, and can dodge most stuff.
Use shroudbeam on non fell enemies. It deals crazy damage, and you can jump/doublejump while casting it, so you take none or minimal damage.
Use Eternal light burst on fell enemies. It knocks back most enemies, and can be cast repeatedly to keep you safe. Fireball for long range, or single fell targets.

Staff of the moor for hp/mana/stamina leech. Youll need all 3. Stamina for jumping around while casting. I put in a "Gem of hopefull embers" so i dont run out of shroud time.
Golden bulwark chest plate for max tankyness.
Wayfarer pants/Eagle eye boots for runspeed.
Elder hat for the extra range and damage of radiant aura.

Fire rings for more Lightburst/Fireball/Radiant-aura damage. Can be swapped for Ring of heir for the extra shroud damage, or swapped for health leech rings.

[modern compass]

Anyone have a good archer build? I feel like Im lacking. Currently Im running a build with Iceman to support Eternal Ice Arrow II but I havent found any Ring of Frost after days of searching. Im currently stuck at the Dragon boss and it feels like Im throwing toothpicks at him.

[half furnace]

how many skillpoints do you have? i can make you a build

[modern compass]

149

[half furnace]

gotcha, give me a few min

[half furnace]

ice arrow build: https://enshrouded-skill-tree.com/?shortCode=6a15e25e0c416c31edb56e8a This is a archer build for the dragon. with extra fire resist, iceman for ice arrow, and backstab for when the dragon is on the ground stunned.

explosive arrow build: https://enshrouded-skill-tree.com/?shortCode=6a15e34d0c416c31edb56e8c Also a archer build for dragon. with extra fire resist, arsonist for explosive arrow, and backstab for when the dragon is on the ground stunned. a little less hp and stamina on this one.

[modern compass]

Thanks I’ll give it a shot

[deft tundra]

I'm super torn

nvm

[cursive citrus]

Love the build and fashion

Something I’ve been meaning to test is the transitive properties of Radiant Aura

For example, if you have a gem of burning in a weapon

Will the aura apply the affect

[half furnace]

oh i tried and it didnt trigger. i think mainly because gem is in the weapon, and no action was taken on its part, its a skill effect.

[cursive citrus]

How high of damage procs are you getting from Gem of Corruption

[half furnace]

i use the Gem of hopeful embers

[cursive citrus]

Gem of Burning can have basically 100% uptime, once it’s past lvl30

[half furnace]

yup, thats what i use on my fell staff, it procs with eternal light burst spell. setting everything it hits on fire

[half furnace]

this staff transmog would be the finishing touch, too bad staff of the moor has all the stats this build needs

[cursive citrus]

Radiant Aura and Righteous Fire should work on all enemies not just fell

And Righteous Fire should trigger off any healing

[half furnace]

yup i agree, opens up lots of builds variety

[cursive citrus]

So bloodletting, Water aura etc

And hopefully with the magic update we get

1. A staff focus attack
2. Eternal versions of spells lacking one currently aka Shroud beam etc
3. Updating some spells like shroud meteor to lose the target cap.
4. Adding waaay more spell options for the other elements Fire,Frost, Shroud and exploring more interesting spell designs instead of a different flavor of projectile
5. Updating magic talents like Radiant Aura/Righteous Fire to be less niche
6. More specific gear like the Circlet of Storms to create more specialized equipment builds
   And finally my own personal want, weapon spell buffs that add flat element damage scaling with INT. Then adding the magical keyword to your weapon so it can benefit from those talents. Duration and cast time should complement each other. So if it lasts a while, a longer cast. If it’s a shorter duration, make it near instant

[half furnace]

also would like some more lasting spells, like the acid spell, but then for fire, ice and shock. would be great if we got like a spell to soak enemies, or other status effects. more debuffs on enemies and combining debuffs into more damage could be cool . more close range spells to make blink more usefull. spells to blast enemies away, or pull them together, would also make it very fun. poison damage should work on more enemies. would also love to see more summons, beasts, pets we can tame or cast. pets that can help in any way (attract aggro) in battle.

[cursive citrus]

PBAoE spells would be dope

[lament hazel]

Please revert the gliding and updraft changes. Why try to control how I play the game? It's not a competitive MMO, It's a crafter/survivor/co-op, non competitive game. I don't plan on playing much anymore until this is addressed. The game just feels clunky and unfairly punishing in that department now. I already voted to revert it on their suggestions page.

[vital depot]

I think its was way too easy, I would at the least remove updraft and make them environmental effects, if not remove gliding entirely.

I think an amicable solution might be the gliders initial state is "feather fall" and as you build forward momentum this translates into potential updraft height, which conversely consumes forward momentum.

[glass ferry]

Not bad ideas! It's too early for me to say exactly what we're doing yet, but the team is definitely going through a lot of this kind of feedback for our rework ideas.

[cunning mural]

I hope we get a fire beam attack I refuse to touch shroud beam

but heal beam is great, and I want more beam spells

[misty sedge]

|| Fell Dragon should drop a "dragon's breath" spell that's a sustained fire beam ||

[cunning mural]

i just wish shroud spells weren't a 2 hour de-buff

[runic tree]

I like all of these possibilities, but would also like to add:
7. Percent based mana regen so Spirit isn't a borderline worthless stat.
8. A dedicated spell hotbar that only appears when readying a spell instead of the tiny scroll menu we currently have (with its own dedicated inventory section so spells don't clutter both inventory and spell bar).
9. Healing spells to be completely redesigned so that they're actually reliable and consistent.

[half furnace]

oh yeah, point 9 is very needed. the targetting is the main problem at the moment

[runic tree]

Definitely. One targets whoever it wants instead of whoever actually needs healing, and the other can't even keep up with a walking pace.

[half furnace]

any idea how to fix that? i mean im not sure i want a lock-on targetting system for allies, where i have to press other keys while jumping around and healing. what would be easy to play? mouse aiming for healing could work, but also might be a aiming game when ppl run around

[runic tree]

My personal preference for fixing the healing spells would be to make one an AoE burst centered on the caster. Basically an "I heal everyone around me right now" type spell. The other would be a lobbed healing projectile that creates an AoE heal over time patch on the ground for a few seconds on impact.

Easy to use, consistent healing effect, no unnecessary targeting, and leagues better than the current healing spells.

[half furnace]

very good. i can see this work. can also help with making positioning more of a thing, like how "magic shield" spell does.

[half furnace]

also a spell or skill that makes a player stagger less would be very cool. i feel like a ragdoll when im melee. 😵‍💫

[vital depot]

light burst modifiers

[runic tree]

Light Burst is my favorite utility spell already, and I wouldn't be against adding healing modifiers to it, but the healing spells themselves still desperately need a rework either way.

[elfin beacon]

Targeted healing can work fine as long as it's done properly. For example, simply have a very very wide margin of error for the targeting, have it target the player that is closest to your crosshair, and have it prioritize injured players over those at full health. That way there's no "failed" casts. Might be awkward if 2 injured players are behind one another though but that's the price of being able to target your heals.

The problem I have with heals is that while I could toss a heal at someone, it seems almost always better to toss a fireball or something instead to just kill the enemies or at least stagger them.

Maybe if there was a skill or dedicated spell that would give someone a shield or heal over time effect and/or some other type of buff(s) they would feel more useful.

[steady crystal]

Gems for Wands, level 25-30.

I am back on my alt leveling it and have a ritual tempest (leg) and a Void caller (leg) I am testing out gems.

Gem of Storm's eye.
It is hard to tell for the text, I have seen it crit,
It seems to do a lot of damage on a wand if we first put up marks with an AOE spell, and staff with the same gem.

However on this patch we can cast while hump kiting, There is no longer a need to swap over to the wand when you need to start moving. So I am looking at other gems.

Gem of Agility, It seems weak on paper until I discovered each wand projectile, from the wand's 1st attack, gains the gem's bonus damage boosted attack. Each attack averages 4 or 5 projectiles, so the gem's bonus damage is 4x - 5x what the description said.
I am unsure of the Stamina buff but I have notice my Stamina bar toping off fast, It may stack too.

Gem of Corruption, Not working against fell sucks, but, I like the stacking effect that stacks up quickly. 1 or 2 attacks trigger the damage on muti hit wands. It is reliable to trigger on none trash enemies while the enemy still lives, The AOE is a waste except on big pacts of trash mobs,

Gem of Soul Reaping, Again better on Staffs where there is AOE spells can damage/kill current soul phials which triggering more wizard effects like necromancer and bloodletting. The down side is one can absorb your "chain hit" skill negating it's damage.
It don't know if it helps with chain Lightning's range of AOE, not sure how the spells jumping effect works, Centered on the spell's hit location or Centered on the creature jumped to.

Gem of Bloodlust, I have not tested it in a while, advise?

Also, What do you think my next wands should be?

[sand raven]

Alright, I've decided to respec into a mage since the warrior class wasn't really doing it for me anymore. Any particural skills I should focus on grabbing as I progress? I'm level 27 right now.

[steady crystal]

Chain hit, Mass destruction,
wands with Muti Hit or Duplication (or both void caller) Deal a LOT of AOE damage. Each projectile crit triggers it. So it triggers very often and rapidly.

Double jump.
you can cast spells and make wand attacks while jumping, and you move at running speed if you where running before the jump. It lets you kite most mobs. Jumping interrupts the AI's targeting for melee attacks, the AI's melee attacks that are in progress will swing at the last location you where at on the ground. Use it like a better block/ parry. Normal jump will do this, but double jump give you extra travel when you want to move more.

Blink with stun removal, It's travel distance is enough that when pair with a back jump and Ice bolt, All melee mobs and most bosses, can't hit you but you can cast spells or make a wand attack in your jump.

Quick charge and quick charge on gear like gloves and the ring of rapacity let you cast long spells while in a jump without interruption

Terror, for most spells it is mid, But Lighting channel with Terror Can stun lock bosses from the time you get the spell in the mid game. Takes a bit of mana, Late game the soaked build with added Terror gear makes it Terror bustily OP.

[sand raven]

Where can I find the Voidcaller wand?

[deft tundra]

Is blink worth taking as a warrior?

[sand raven]

Yes. It provides a good amount of I-frames, so it's worth it

[steady crystal]

Blood letting + Good metabolism is a lot of healing and sustain, but is not something to rush. you should be getting it latter.

Earth Aura, Heavy plate, Con and thick sink. When using warrior tank chest plates you are able to take most hits, even on Hard.

Wand speciation,
I save it for the shielded enemies and the dual wield Poison Bzerkers, It staggers them dropping their shield and holding them in places.

30% damage to elements skills
I get them first for Fire, Shroud (void caller) and Ice, Lightning can wait until you can do a soaked build end game.

Wand damage skills,
I get them right after quick charge for the staff.

[deft tundra]

The iframes are different than regular dodge?

[steady crystal]

"Shroud lairs" chests, starting early into the game.

[sand raven]

The most important thing is that it allows you to dodge through stuff you normally couldn't

[deft tundra]

Alright I’ll add it to the list of utility perks I keep wanting to take and then deciding not to last moment to pick up a new fun combat thing instead

[steady crystal]

Wizard skill to skip, Blood Maigc (noob trap, to long of a cool down to be good) Life Essences (weak for cost) , Life burst (weak for cost) , Radiant Aura (fell only) Blink attack (weak)
Passive and On wand hit Mana regen skills, (good early, but falls off fast as staffs with 2x mana Leach are OP and you can find the early)

Other things to use.
Your main stats are Int, Health leech, Mana leech, Crit, Con. in that order. Crit triggers most of your skills, Health leech is OP

Commanders ring, and Gemini Ring are OP. Life leach on a mage is more busted than on Melee. We get hit less, and heal just a much.

For the 2nd ring, a Gemini Ring or a 2nd commander's ring is OP. One AOE spell can heal you to full. With Tank chest armor you don't die. 2x mana leach staffs pair well with it letting you spam an never run out of HP/mana. even more busted with blood letting and gem of Soul Reaping. It may be the best until soaked build.

Yet, Ring of rapacity for faster casting, Or Ring of the ancients for its crit to trigger skills more. Or The Best Mana ring if you lack a 2x mana leach staff. All are good. Even the ring with fire damage is viable. End game use Ring of Thundersnow for soaked build

Staffs with 2x mana leach Oracle's Everblue staff can be found the the shroud lairs at all levels,
OR staffs with 1 mana leach and 1 health leach. there is a few. Undergrowth Staff is the earliest but there is more later, bringing you to a total of 3 Health Leech nodes, It is absurd jump around spamming wand attack and enjoy the god mode.. the single 5% mana leech without mana rings is tight, but doable with Legendary armor that gives mana regen (like hat), End game you can use the staff with extra effects to soaked made for the soaked build,

Lastly Fatal Precision in the Ranger tree helps trigger all your skills and worth it before Blood letting.
And Runner is really nice in combat too.

[half furnace]

i re-tested the explosive crawler build in this update. boy does it deal huge damage. kills melee draks in 2 bombs, and ranged draks in 1 bomb, at 100% monster hp in settings.

[mossy igloo]

Does "critical strike chance" work for all skills? Like bow, melee and magic?????

[half furnace]

yea it works for all, there are some spells that cant crit tho. unless its "magical crit chance", "melee crit chance" or "ranged crit chance"

[mossy ridge]

There's both - there's critical chance that applies to all, then there's individual ranged/melee/magic crit chance

You can see the values in your character sheet tabs

[mossy igloo]

I was specifically speaking about fatal precision with bow and fire arrow and melee axe with burning gem and magic fire on it.

[half furnace]

yup, that works for all

[mossy igloo]

Thank you 🙂

[half furnace]

there are some gearpieces which offer "all" crit chance aswell. if you can deal with the low armor it can help for mixed builds, like this one

[desert summit]

I have end game archer

[desert summit]

Fire damage -> explosive arrows -> Shell Shock skill that is inside assasin tree

I'm basically immortal

@modern compass This is my skill tree
I use Ignited bow and explosive arrows, sometimes poisoned gold arrows cause they proc greater single damage, for single targets far away, Quetzal armor (Alpine armor for Albaneve Summits area (snow and ice) since you spend quite a lot of time there), 2x Ultimate rings of stamina

[mossy igloo]

Yep I run that with my melee weapon also. Between the two I can stun the enemy enough that when I slam them with my axe they die!

[desert summit]

I tried both 1h and 2h builds I created, also, can sustain heavy punishment, cause water aura and life leech heal so much I never drop under 3/4 of health, they seemed underwhelming anyway cause area clear speed and killing speed is just 3 times slower than with archer for me

I didn't try assasin with daggers yet, but when I review skill tree and how combat is done with assasin, looks like it's slowest build of all, and possibly pretty shit against bosses

[bronze hollow]

It's actually strong against bosses. It's mobs where it has problems.

[desert summit]

RIght, yes. You're right.
Single damage bursts.

[desert summit]

What about the flying one? The fell dragon youngling

[bronze hollow]

Ugh. That thing is SO bugged right now, it's hard to tell. I'd say it's probably as good as any other. Once it's on the ground it does ok.

[mossy igloo]

That Fell dragon, and me melee ... and alone absolutely sucked until I got the fire arrows and shell shock. THAT was the only way i could survive it as I got it stunned and the beat the shit out of it .... backed away and stunned it again and so on. I hate that arena, firstly I have falling off that ring so many times I almost dread that fight because of it. And yes, I have flown to the side and dug a cubby but that fight happens so fast and the flying blue vultures don't help at all. It is almost overwhelming solo.

[desert summit]

I defeated it without shell shock . . . I had stun arrows on me, but it weirdly bugged when I brought it down, it got "stuck" and never attacked xD

[steel dune]

dunno what to put with this weapon but this gem kinda good for big packs

[desert summit]

I had this on a bow for a while, wasn't really happy with it

[lament shard]

Wouldn't put it on a bow. Might be fun on a melee

[tawdry meteor]

That'd be nuts on a dagger or if it triggers with arrow explosions

[lament idol]

Guys I need your help… I really wanna come up with an unarmed melee only build. I need some fellow gamers to help me design this.

Obviously I’ll probably need the trickster trees begone and slightest of hand skills but how do I the build armor?

[wheat sandal]

so daggers anywhere close to being as good as a two hand build yet?

[mossy igloo]

In regard to what? I kind of feel in this game you have to pick more than one way to fight and survive and invest in that. Also what did you set the game settings to? Default? Bumped? Survival? If you are in a hurry to get to the top, could be tough.

[wheat sandal]

ive done like 6 playthroughs, just havent been on in a while. and you can absolutley do a pure 2h setup or pure wand/bow and have 0 issues. you CAN do pure daggers but its always been by far the worst option of the weapons available. wondering if anything has changed with it

[mossy igloo]

I liked daggers and bow combo, was fun. I am doing axe and shield with bow now. Seems pretty good.

[mossy igloo]

Ok never tried just daggers. And maybe wand daggers could be strong.

[wheat sandal]

no real point in adding in the daggers when a pure wand build is just better

[mossy igloo]

Ah. Well I haven done that either. Wands had a weird way of targeting however not gonna say I don’t like them. I use them in dark caves with bats as they work better than my eyes.

[winter elk]

I'd like to see more interesting things done with the wands than just "a projectile"
Like lightning wands have a short chaining thing, cold wands to a blast of icy shrapnel, fire wands are longer range, and Shroud wands deal a stacking DOT or something
If we play as mages, we should feel like we have more spells, but with a touch less of a headache when selecting spells. That's how I see it anyway

[mossy igloo]

Does counterstrike work with all skill? I am axe and shield plus bow with magic fire ...

[winter elk]

It doesn't specify any weapon restrictions, so most likely yes, it applies to all incoming attacks

[mossy igloo]

Is it worth having?

[winter elk]

I haven't tested it since the update, so I don't know

[vast jasper]

Do any "tweakers" for this game even come here every now and then? Writing bug reports doesn't bring any progress. Newly mined necropolis stones refuse to work. The skull summon always stays at level 1 no matter how much you level up the stone. The revenant companion summon also doesn't level up, even though resources are spent on it. And the revenant isn't summoned at all. They're making "innovations" that don't even work.

[desert summit]

I tried a melee build I made that was oriented around high health, fire damage and counterstrike ... sad to say it was super underwhelming, low damage and pretty much points not worth spending

I was basically melee tank, but also it did low damage cause of high armor . . . On the other hand if I would go to low armor build it would deal more damage but that would also mean I'd die pretty quickly

It's a skill I really don't know in which build to place to actually be effective, currently it just feels like a waste of skill points

[raw lichen]

With extra ranks, counterstrike is pretty decent - I've had several times where enemies have nearly oneshot themselves off it

very specific situations though

[mossy igloo]

If you change the NPC wander range, do I have to do near their beds?

[winter elk]

So in a way, the more damage you mitigate, the less damage Counterstrike Source does? That's kinda lame, I feel like it should be pre-mitigation damage

[desert summit]

That's what I noticed yes. More tanky I am, less damage it does.

I agree with you, it should be pre-mitigation damage cause then it would make sense for a nice build oriented around it.

It has potential to have a full build around the skill, but not in the current state

[royal wadi]

no, it doesn't really matter because there is not mechanic that makes them need sleep.

[steady crystal]

There’s just better things than counterstrike. And skill points are at a premium.

Not saying you can’t play with it. Just I don’t know more than one point.

[mossy igloo]

What alternative would you suggest? More life? I cannot get more damage because they do not have strength and Dex options after you get out of the early tree.

[steady crystal]

What is your play style?

I mostly know how to optimize magic builds, but counter strike is mid on all arctypes.

[mossy igloo]

Right now I am melee and bow. I use axe and shield with fire and fire arrows with shell shock. I haven’t had to much issues as I stun the hell out of them and the swoop in and slice them up. If there too many I can be overwhelmed of course. So I try to pick them off one at a time. Thing is I have reached a point I do not know what to pick. I did get the extra food slot and water aura.

[steady crystal]

What level are you?

On Normal difficulty, you can kind of do whatever you want. The damage is so low that you don't need anything in the Tank Tree or much in the way of Life Leech.

On harder settings, you will do better picking 2 complimenting weapons that scale with the same main stat so you can afford the tank skills so you don't end up getting 2 shot combed to death.

Currently for Bow builds, early end game, Frost arrow builds with frost rings are good, and Skill shot damage is bugged in your favor to always apply. Soaked bow build is the highest damage bow build. and use daggers as the secondary weapon.

For melee, 2 handed builds with life leech is the best preforming, and early game 1 hand + shield is the safer melee build.

[winter elk]

okay WHO balanced the Drak mages??

lol okay their stuff goes through walls.
Combat is definitely the worst aspect of the game

[bronze hollow]

Rush them. their spells take a long time to cast so you can kill them before they get them off.

[winter elk]

oh do they stunlock easy?

or, get stunlocked easy, I mean

[bronze hollow]

no stunlocked, but they are pretty weak. At least to melee damage. I just rush them and kill them before they have a chance to cast.

They do hit very hard tho. If they're in a group, I'll try to kill them first or draw the other Drak's attention away from them so i don't get mobbed trying to take them out.