combat-and-skills

[gleaming musk]

Conifer? You can pack them as tight as mushrooms 👍

[wild cypress]

Conifer? I barely juniper!

[brave loom]

I like how they modify the ground. Weird that it isn't the actual space the tree needs

[gleaming musk]

Yeah a lot of the crops require inconsistent planting areas

I found this out the hard way with hazelnut bushes

[wild cypress]

But hazelnuts are SO useful [Spongebob chicken voice]

[brave loom]

I don't think I've planted those

[gleaming musk]

Didnt realize they were weird and could be repeatedly harvested, and you can pack them super tightly

I ended up with hundreds of hazelnuts and deleted most of them lmao

[dusty meteor]

There are a few crops like that - all trees I think?

[gleaming musk]

Re-harvesting? It's just hazelnuts as far as I know

[wild cypress]

Coffee beans, too.

[dusty meteor]

Coconuts

[gleaming musk]

Ahhh

[wild cypress]

Drak with the layup.

[brave loom]

What do you even do with hazelnuts lmao

[gleaming musk]

Look at em

[wild cypress]

Like one dang recipe IIRC. Wiki lists it.

[gleaming musk]

Yeah there's like one food item i think. And one type of taming bait?

[dusty meteor]

Get lots of birds and hophares

[brave loom]

Literally just useless animal food lol

[wild cypress]

Uh, it's pronounced hophare.

[gleaming musk]

Well, the bird food is nice. Eggs are a pain to get outside of raising birds

[brave loom]

Maybe the birds give feathers for arrows or something idk

[dusty meteor]

Some give egg some give feather

[brave loom]

Ohh true I do have chickens for eggs

[gleaming musk]

Theres at least a few midgame archer foods that need egg as I recall

[wild cypress]

Like a good date, nyayaya! 😼

[brave loom]

I stopped feeding them tho cuz I have a full giant chest of eggs I'm not using

[gleaming musk]

Yeah lol

But you can also kill them for meat, etc. And yeah feathers

Tbh its a little annoying that you can get dune armadillo meat faster by fighting Kindlewastes Vukah or Scavengers than by raising or hunting Dune Armadillo

[wild cypress]

Slowbros of the game.

[brave loom]

Breeding seems way too slow to be a viable kill-for-meat source

[gleaming musk]

Also has a ton of UX overhead

Have to pick them up and place them elsewhere so I dont accidentally break shit or kill animals I didnt mean to

[brave loom]

Lol I keep mine in sheds so they don't get lost and stay safe

[dusty meteor]

I don't really keep them for meat - mostly other products like the eggs, feathers, wool, scales

[gleaming musk]

I do too. Theyre just all in the same barn atm

[dusty meteor]

The animals do like to wander

[gleaming musk]

Birds are kept physically separated in the 2nd floor but the bottom floor I was hoping to have them freely wander to a fenced in grazing area in the front

[brave loom]

My dog gets stuck between things all the time. He was originally a wanderer, but is no longer

[gleaming musk]

Put their food bowls out there to ensure they did just that

[brave loom]

I'm a monster. Don't need to feed cats or dogs lol

[gleaming musk]

It worked for the goats whose beds are near the barn entrance. The yaks and armadillos just starved

So I had to move their feeders inside if I didnt want to rebuild the barn. Now theyre all climbing over each other scrambling to get food

[dusty meteor]

I feed my animals regardless, but that's mostly because them being sad makes me sad lol

And I have the resources so why not

[gleaming musk]

I dont bother feeding mine unless I need their product, because they inhale food at an insane rate even if they cant produce any offspring or more product

[brave loom]

Surely they add more mechanics for 1.0

Maybe they just die without food lol

(or run away)

[gleaming musk]

Maybe, maybe not. I'd say there are higher priorities than that tbh

[brave loom]

For sure

[dusty meteor]

I know there are some combat reworks planned. I'm not sure about the animal mechanics

[gleaming musk]

Doubtful, at least not as a default setting. Enshrouded is pretty clearly designed to be survival-lite

[brave loom]

Could be implemented as a toggle like starvation mode

[flat gust]

ok so abut the water aura. Healing perks boost it but healing armor oh boy, veilwater healer armor boosts mine from 22 to 47 per tick

thats insane actually

solo i wouldnt use it but on a group thats pretty massive

[fleet field]

I use the healing boots on my mage and both my melee characters that use magic for backup.

[flat gust]

i had not seen the boots, thanks for mentioning it

[fleet field]

It's like a small boost but I like it better than the shorter mana regen delay

[flat gust]

yeah the boost on the chest is prettu big but thats like 30% of my hp gone

[fleet field]

I heal 36/tick with water aura on my melee characters which is convenient because I run almost no passive health regen on them

Only the +8 that comes from 2x ring of the ancients

[flat gust]

thats pgood

[thorny pewter]

has anyone ever tried out a sword & board + spells build? Like a paladin-esque I suppose

curious of how fun it might be if someone has

[wild cypress]

Running one right now, pretty straightforward and strong if you stick to wands, trickier if you use wands + staves. Haven't maxed her out yet, but so far it's fun, just takes a little planning.

[thorny pewter]

Hmmmmmmmm, yeah that's been the next "maybe" on my list if the dagger spellblade is too janky

[wild cypress]

Options are...
Daggers
1H
2H
Bow
Wand
Staff
Daggers+1H
Daggers+2H
Daggers+bow
Daggers+wand
Daggers+staff
1H+2H
1H+bow
1H+wand
1H+staff
2H+bow
2H+wand
2h+staff
Bow+wand
Bow+staff
Wand+staff

So just make 21 characters and try it all!

[bronze hollow]

You forgot no weapon melee.
I'm disappointed.

[wild cypress]

https://tenor.com/view/giants-ny-giants-eagles-jalen-hurts-gif-2033424732655295541

[ionic viper]

Hello everyone, I have been roaming the Kindlewastes for a long time, and I am down on my luck in finding the "Ring of the Ancients". Does anyone know of a good place to farm for the ring?

[flat gust]

i have some silver chests marked where u could get it

or u can fish it, but the chance is really low

[ionic viper]

Is there a general area?

[ionic viper]

Cool thanks

[flat gust]

i got the 3 lootable armor sets on that route, and a couple ancients

[summer vector]

i have a few spare if you need

[ionic viper]

I'll make a few runs as Maulino suggested, but if I am still out of luck, I'll give you a ping. ty.

[void topaz]

I feel like I already know the answer but I want to ask anyways.. I'm a newer player, and I saw the "Begone" skill.. does it offer any kind of damage increase or scaling or is it just for a brief stun? I was a bit confused when I was reading it.. got a little excited thinking maybe I could make a punchy mage.. but I'm guessing that's wrong..?

[summer vector]

just stun

[void topaz]

Sad

[brave loom]

Yeah idk why unarmed damage gloves exist in the game either lol

[void topaz]

are they.. bad?

like could Begone + those gloves be a fun like "backup" weapon for a mage? or nah

[hollow cargo]

Bugged out?

I hate this quest. With a passion.

What the buggy hell.

[misty sedge]

Those gloves have Unarmed damage boost as basically a lore point because the dude that wore that armor set was kind of a jerk

[misty sedge]

No not really. Begone! is really only good for stunning and moving enemies. I mostly use it to move enemies off cliffs so they have to spend some time navigating back to the fight, or to stun lock bosses

[void topaz]

Dang

That's too bad

[misty sedge]

To be fair, I love Begone! but I would welcome an actual unarmed moveset with open arms

[void topaz]

Id just like it if it gave even a tiny damage scale and made the attacks magical. I was really hoping it would. That way I could just run around with a staff and bare hands

To be fair though I was also hoping there was a way to hide my staff so it looked like I was casting spells without one

I may just be a little silly lol

[hollow cargo]

Wait, what this is wrong channel. Sorry!

[mossy igloo]

I may have asked this before but does range damage affect wands?

[dark kernel]

Is a wand and bow build viable? I love the game play of both, but there doesn't seem to be much overlap or synergy between the two.

[bronze hollow]

Anything is viable, depending on preference and skill.

[flat gust]

i personally dont like that combination, bot are single target. Imo its better to mix a good single target weapon and a good aoe or sweeping one

[bronze hollow]

I wouldn't use it either, but I'm sure given the right setup you could make it work if you wanted to.

[thorny pewter]

https://tenor.com/view/hobbit-tempt-gandalf-dont-tempt-me-gif-5609024

[void topaz]

i wish there was a staff/magic shield combo so I could cast spells without holding a big (or little) stick

[thorny pewter]

Give me some tomes in the other hand with some page turning animations during casting. Were eating good then

[void topaz]

i just am not a fan of the staff/wand stuff. i dont mind if other people like it, but personally a caster who is just popping spells without anything in their hand is way cooler

[flat gust]

like the skeleton that levitates while casting?

with its hands?

[void topaz]

that is sick too

[flat gust]

why cant we have that, its right there

[void topaz]

honestly id take a capstone skill that lets you cast spells without a staff for a 10% damage reduction or something

just gimma a capstone perk:

Mageborn- Spells no longer require a staff to cast provided you have no ranged weapon equipped. Spells cast in this way deal 10% reduced damage and have 10% increased mana cost.

[half furnace]

id also like to shoot arrows without a bow, and dig ground with my teeth instead of a pickaxe. maybe even let me drive shopping cart instead of walking

[void topaz]

okay dude idk if youre just meming but.. what im asking for isnt stupid. dont even reply like that

[gleaming musk]

BTW, idk why I didnt mention this before but I mostly just use Fireball, Ice Bolt, and Lightning Channel. I sort them in that order and always "reset" to Ice Bolt after encounters since its the most widely useful.

Means I'm one button press away from Fireball for breaking stuff / different sniping damage type, as well as just one button press away from Lightning Channel for group CC, damage, and healing. LC is also better after you use Ice Bolt at least once anyway cause then you're doubling down on CC

[gleaming musk]

Mage is designed for wands to be your backup to your staff. Your backups to your wands should be just other wands.

[void topaz]

yeah, that does make sense.. I guess i just wanted that perk to be more entertaining i guess

[gleaming musk]

Yeah, same. It's handy for meleers cause it gives them an easy source of stun, they're already incclose range, and they don't usually use MP anyway. Mages however have other, better things to be doing and always want to stay mid to long range

[void topaz]

it would be cool though to be able to turn it into an option for the battlemage style of play. like an arcane monk sorta

but i get it

[gleaming musk]

"Battlemage" as far as Enshrouded is concerned is Shield + Wand. But yeah I get what you mean

[void topaz]

what counts as a "magic" weapon? any weapon that also has a elemental damage type? or just wands/staves

[gleaming musk]

Just wands/staves. Also, wand projectiles do not count as spells

[gleaming musk]

Yeah @brave loom pointed that out a bit earlier and it was news to me too. I was using battlemage chest for MaxHP and wand damage but swapped back to the Healer chest I used to use. So far I the regen is high enough to where I havent missed the max HP, even with my currently using ectoplasm soup for HH

[void topaz]

asking cause I was considering putting a few points down the battlemage for the life burst spell but not if its wants/staves only

[gleaming musk]

No need to reduce damage, cause not having stats from your staff would already make that perk so weak that it would only be used for funsies

[void topaz]

mm fair

maybe the opposite then, 10% damage buff and 10% mana increase

[gleaming musk]

You will barely feel Life Burst. Better to spend those points on Water Aura + Waters of Life

Especially since healer gear boosts its regen, strangely enough

[void topaz]

currently im a two hand warrior, which is why i was hoping life burst work with a magic sword lol

but im still considering respecing in a little while

[gleaming musk]

If you want to heal as a warrior, you'd probably be better off trying to make passive heals happen using gems, not perks

[void topaz]

that makes sense

[gleaming musk]

Though if you just want to top up between fights, as a warrior you dont really need your MP for much. So you could instead just grab the first couple of Healer perks and use healing spells

Maybe use healer shoes at least

Healing spell strength doesnt scale with any stat, just perks and healer shoes/chest pieces

[void topaz]

thanks for the ideas! i do like that

[gleaming musk]

I think all healing spells have fairly short cast times as-is, but if you have some SP to spare you'd probably want to consider the faster spellcasting perk from Trickster / Wizard too

And a few spells can also provide utility without much/any investment, like CC from Ice Bolt

Also @void topaz keep an eye out for Health Leech effects on gear, if you arent already. Not sure how far you are into the game

[void topaz]

i just got iron ore

[void topaz]

Is that a scam..?

[wild cypress]

Seems that way to me.

[mossy igloo]

Why does the eternal frost arrow do so much damage? it show less than some of my other arrows yet it kills pretty good

[ionic viper]

I am not entirely sure, but I believe it gains bonus damage from range and magic sources.

Your bow is doing most of the work.

[fleet field]

There's a noticeable difference when using mid-late arrows like Obsidian and Steel vs. Frost Arrow I, but by the time you get Frost Arrow II and probably have the ice damage skills there might not be much reason to use Golden Steel

[mossy igloo]

Thank you. I had no idea it could be so powerful. Now I understand why I need mana sustain.

[dire kite]

Shroud got you down???? Feeling like you dont belong????

I need a build...didnt realize daggers were a secondary

[bronze hollow]

Enemy resistances. you can also boost it's damage with skill tree perks from the Wizard tree

[flat gust]

@dire kitejust focus on bow mate

[wild cypress]

Who lied to you? Daggers are life!

[flat gust]

i cant make those work

got some piercing poison daggers, as many perks for them as i could

still suck

[summer vector]

Yep, I also avoid daggers and just use bow

[heavy forum]

If you’re running melee with daggers might as just well just scrap the dex build and go barb and swing for the fences lol

[wild cypress]

@heavy forum @flat gust I've had more fun with daggers than any other setup in the game and I've enjoyed dagger combat in most games I've tried. It's okay to say it's not your thing but to say they universally suck is unfair to others who enjoy it and those who wish to try it. 550 hours of fun I've had just on this game.

Bow is super potent (it's my backup) and I encourage everyone to run 2 weapons cause by endgame you've got the points to spare to make both very good, with (nearly) any weapon combo. I'm just asking that y'all don't tell people something "sucks" when it's just not something you personally enjoyed.

[wild cypress]

https://www.enshrouded-skill-tree.com/?shortCode=6963a474d0d789c4a5e5107e

• Dodge-roll past enemies when they swing, then light attacks on the back - this is greatly buffed by Gem of Toxicity
• Use poison + piercing daggers to get the most from the points spent on both kinds of damage
• Parry if you can't dodge, never ever block
• Don't frontal attack unless it's just a Fell Critter
• When you do parry enough to stun, do a full attack chain on their back and get some nice extra DPS
• Enjoy all the mobility and utility perks I added in
• Consider soldier chest and boots for health regen and +dagger headpiece and gloves, sneak speed pants
• Congrats, you made your own soldier, ranged dps and melee dps in one character

[flat gust]

yeah i respect that

maybe its not my thing

[fleet field]

I've been doing some testing with bee sting but not for bows, instead for optimal crash down timing for daggers. I think there's something here with the right rotation.

[heavy forum]

I understand your viewpoint. I never said they suck. I dont want you to think I was trying to be rude, Im a very chill dude. However I feel like the daggers are lack luster as a melee weapon. When I run melee I am just running a 2 hander and cleaving everything in sight. 😄

Daggers in most RPGs are accompanied by some sort of tricks of trade feature. Like stealth, smoke bombs, etc. I get that SOME weapons have poison on them. But I think it would be cool for them to incorporate a more rogue feeling to daggers for me to play them.

[fleet field]

The combat part of the roadmap I am very excited for

[heavy forum]

Is there information on it in detail?

[fleet field]

No, not really. Just that it's a main focus. They say

• greater tactical depth
• better balancing

[wild cypress]

I agree with the tricks thing; I talked to Toast about their "identity" at length a while ago, really wanting to see stuff like root, snare and smoke screen (Fell Confusion Potion effect on non-fell foes, basically) to help make Daggers stand out more and give a "trickster/rogue" feel to dagger mains. Hopefully some of that makes its way into future updates.

[heavy forum]

An easy addition to the skill tree would just be a perk where you can equip a certain type of poison... bleeding, crippling, shroud, burning.

[wild cypress]

Yeah...yeah...😼
But then we all got distracted talking about wanting flamethrowers and grenade launchers. 🧑‍🚒

[heavy forum]

Tbf.. flamethrowers already exist in Enshrouded lol

[fleet field]

#feelingmagicalbutalsostabby

[wild cypress]

Put that on my wall in cursive wooden cutouts instead of "Live, Laugh, Love."

[left wraith]

isn’t your motto more like “live laugh, lacerate”

[rancid swift]

hey people one question, did the combat system got any changes since release?

[left wraith]

Some but major changes are planned before/for 1.0

[lilac prism]

Enshrouded Roadmap

Don't see a feature you want on the roadmap? Create a suggestion on Featureupvote!

Image too small? Here's a direct link to the image.

Roadmap current as of January 2026

[left wraith]

read the roadmap for more information

[rancid swift]

oooh i see

thanks dude

i always been hyped about the game but the combat pushed me out

[left wraith]

Keep in mind this game will never have a complex combat or difficulty akin to dark souls

It’s just not one of their main focuses

[rancid swift]

ye ye i dont expect it to be dark souls (i wish tho)

but just wanted a bit more u know

still good to see they gonna make some changes with it

[brave loom]

@gleaming musk ok the aoe of ice bolt 2 is definitely way smaller than eternal fireball 1

Like less than half

Don't have eternal 2 yet, but I doubt it'd be the same as eternal fireball 2 or fireball 4

Good to know it at least has aoe tho

[gleaming musk]

No, it isn't. Fireball only looks way bigger because of how its particle system is designed.

If there is any actual difference in their collison volume, the difference is minimal and will hardly be felt.

[brave loom]

I hit a fence and saw the damage numbers

Fireball had way wider ones

Like, WAY wider

Maybe eternal ice bolt 2 is bigger, but for now it's not even close

[gleaming musk]

Hmm. Nope, you're right, actually. I'm fairly certain prior to my hiatus that they had identical radii (or near it), and since the VFX hadnt changed I assumed the spells hadnt fundamentally changed either. The fireball damage radius is noticeably larger than its VFX

Just tried it at the tiers you're at + higher tiers. Higher tiers have the same radii as their lower tier versions

[left wraith]

All that changes is the damage and mana cost, everything else is the same.

[gleaming musk]

Lowest tier Ice Bolt has no AoE, but otherwise yeah

Honestly that might be a bug, cause the wording of the spell is the same iirc

[left wraith]

Th eternal ice bolt you get is the "basic" eternal its not the same as the one you craft later.

It should really be renamed.

[brave loom]

The fireball's aoe definitely got bigger from lv 1 to higher tiers

I didn't like the aoe til eternal 1

[left wraith]

They're the same.

[brave loom]

🤔

[gleaming musk]

Good to note though @brave loom, cause that means Ice Bolt isnt an outright winner. Though its still going to be the preferable staple in solo due to faster casting speed + slow

Fireball will have more value in multiplayer when enemies will be more scattered

[brave loom]

Ok fireball 1 definitely is tiny

I just tested it

It's smaller than even the ice bolt I videoed earlier

[left wraith]

Fireball isn't Eternal Fireball..

[brave loom]

O that's what you mean

Ok fireball 4 is bigger than fireball 1

Eternal 1 is much much bigger than both

[left wraith]

visually

[brave loom]

No

Mechanically

[left wraith]

Okay lol.

[brave loom]

I'm looking at damage numbers not the visual

[left wraith]

I've looked at the way spell damage and vfx are generated, but you know more.

[brave loom]

Since I'm literally seeing the numbers, yes

I'll show in a sec

[left wraith]

I won't look lol

[brave loom]

?

[left wraith]

You know more than me pulling the actual code of how the spell works. 👍

[brave loom]

I mean, I'm literally testing it in game

Choosing not to watch video evidence is just plain ignorance

[gleaming musk]

@thorny pewter Finally got a chance to try the gem of soul reaping, and yeah I seriously doubt that healing strength is intentional. The gem also says it heals 10 lmfao

[brave loom]

You can clearly see fireball 4 has higher aoe

And eternal from the clip earlier is just like way bigger than both

[gleaming musk]

Oddly, there seems to be no difference between Eternal 1 and 2 despite the consumable fireballs increasing with tier
Ice Bolt 2 and Eternal Ice Bolt 2 also have seemingly the same radii

[brave loom]

I do find it weird the aoe isn't tied to level really. Imo fireball 4 should be bigger than eternal 1

Lv 17 bigger than 28 of the same spell

[brave loom]

Also another thing that disproves this guy is that ice bolt 1 doesn't even have aoe and ice bolt 2 does

[gleaming musk]

Lmao @thorny pewter as I thought, you can also proc Bloodletting on the enemy vials. And while they do eventually expire like orbs do, when they go they burst themselves and provide the heal anyway.

Swapped all but one of my weapons to that gem and officially binned spells other than Heal Channel. And honestly idk that HC is even worth it now lmao

[brave loom]

@gleaming musk do you know if chain hit can hit a single enemy or only mass destruction? I forgot to see

Also can any gems or the lightning itself crit?

Would be cool to cause a feedback loop or get extra procs from a gem

[gleaming musk]

Its been a while since I tested it, but based on the descriptions Chain Hit only hits one extra enemy and mass destruction is an aoe

[brave loom]

I'll test it I suppose (chain hit)

[gleaming musk]

I havrny seen any gem damage crit, and I dont think I ever definitively seen them proc any mage skills at all

Same for mass destruction

[gleaming musk]

I dont think a feedback loop is possible with those skills. Though I think Chain Lightning can bounce back to an already hit target

[brave loom]

Ok I think chain hit hits a single target

[gleaming musk]

Honestly for the time being, you're best off using the gem of soul reaping. It fully lies about how much the vials heal. Says 10 and actually heals like 1300 lmfao

[brave loom]

Meh I heal plenty

[gleaming musk]

Probably a bug, but yeah

[brave loom]

Hm what enemies are weak to lightning

Would be easier to test on those

Or resistant

[gleaming musk]

"Plenty" and "near-immune-to-death" are very different things lmao

[gleaming musk]

None that i can think of tbh. Also dont know any that resist it

[brave loom]

Pain

Well at the very least it makes the sound/vfx lol. I'll frame by frame it and count projectiles vs hit numbers

Ok 4 proj made 6 hit numbers

Def works

Wait this would be easier with a spell instead of a wand lol

Yeah ok confirmed it works vs just 1 enemy

And the aoe one also hits

So every time you crit a single target you do int*7 lightning dmg

Or rather int*5 and int*2 in case they have magic armor

[gleaming musk]

Either way, it's peanuts on anything except stuff like critters. The main value of Mass Destruction is that you get informed of where nearby hidden enemies are

Though spells like Lightning Channel can proc it often enough to where the damage is more impactful

Put another way, Mass Destruction helps bolster LC's damage enough to where the spell becomes more than just CC and recovery

[brave loom]

Idk if I'd call it peanuts. I have 18 int right now which is 126 dmg. 36 crit chance so 45 dmg per projectile on average against my 50 dmg wand

That's pretty good damage

Against an armadillo I was doing 85 lightning from the supposed 90 dmg chain hit and the critting projectiles were doing like 120-140

It's pretty significant

[lament shard]

Drak

And Depthdwellers are resistant

[lament rapids]

<@&1059853133188169910> spammer

[steep parcel]

https://tenor.com/view/yeet-gif-27621887

[thorny pewter]

Yeah 🤣🤣

Im going to report it as a bug but its definitelysomething haha

[gleaming musk]

Yes, it has more value on attacks that hit multiple times as I stated. If you're only ever using multishot wands, then the damage increase is relatively significant. It's one of the reasons why for wands you want to emphasize projectile count.

However opting to only ever use wands is already severely limiting your DPS. So the benefit you're seeing is akin to the benefit I mentioned for Lightning Channel. It brings your DPS up from low to moderate.

Either way, Mass Destruction is worth getting. But it's mainly going to have noticeable DPS value for multiattack spells & weapons that would otherwise underperform.

[brave loom]

Something else I just noticed is that gem of burning on my wand procs by casting with q from the staff

[gleaming musk]

Yeah, that's a known bug. Corruption does that too

[gleaming musk]

@brave loom Something worth double checking is that the observed larger radius for Fireball's env damage also exists for enemy damage. It's possible that a different collision volume is used to detect enemies in range than props in range.

Cleanest way to test that would be to try to catch an unaware enemy with only the edge of the AoE

[brave loom]

Ngl for me it just doesn't matter. I'm not using any spell for aoe outside of eternal fireball 1/2

[gleaming musk]

Sure. Would still be worth knowing, though.

I can test that when I get time to play again, if you aren't inclined to try it out

[brave loom]

Oh yeah I remember you said shroud beam channel was the highest dps? I can't figure that out

[gleaming musk]

How do you mean?

[brave loom]

It seems bad/low dmg

54 base dmg with 1.5s cast time

[gleaming musk]

Have you tried actually using it?

[brave loom]

Unless the 1.5s cast time isn't the tick interval

[gleaming musk]

Cast time and tick interval are not the same thing

[brave loom]

No I used one earlier and hated the shroud penalty lol

Ah I thought they were for channels

Is there a way to see the tick intervals?

[gleaming musk]

Nope

[gleaming musk]

Yeah Shroud Meteor is always bad at all tiers

[brave loom]

I used a scroll without reading about the penalty early in the game. Blew a hole in my base wall and couldn't go in the shroud for 2hrs lmao

[gleaming musk]

By the time you get Shround Beam Channel as a mage, you should already be effectively immune to the shroud timer

[gleaming musk]

Yeah the fact that that scroll exists is a diabolical move by the devs lmao

[brave loom]

Is shroud faster tick rate than lightning channel?

[gleaming musk]

So weak that even at the start of the game it barely matters, but now it effectively bans you from the Shroud as of the debuff rework

[brave loom]

Or bone

[gleaming musk]

Tick speed is roughly the same, maybe a tad faster. The beam has much longer range than either spell, and has width to it. It's also Shroud damage, which a very large number of creatures are weak to.

[brave loom]

Ah fair. Funny enough everyone in my group sees shroud damage and says it's useless cuz we've been in the shroud so much lol

[gleaming musk]

Even in the Shroud, Shroud damage is still good for a mage because of Shroud Filter

[brave loom]

I don't think shroud damage interacts with shroud filter at all

You also can't deal damage to shroud creatures with shroud damage

[gleaming musk]

It most certainly does

[gleaming musk]

That's exactly why Shroud damage is great for Shroud Filter.

[brave loom]

howso

Do you not actually have to deal damage?

[gleaming musk]

Shroud Filter procs regardless of whether you do any actual damage or not.

[brave loom]

Just hit?

O lol

Silly

[gleaming musk]

Yeah lmao

But it does mean that wands like Voidcaller are always great to have on hand

Outside the Shroud, Shroud damage is one of the top choices. Inside, it's a Shroud Timer battery

[brave loom]

The shroud damage nodes are more expensive for no reason 😠

[gleaming musk]

The reason is that Shroud is one of if not the best damage types in the game

And although Shroud Meteor is currently ass, it seems the dev intent is that Shroud spells should be inherently stronger than other element spells even aside from type advantage

[brave loom]

Yeah excited to see what happens with the rebalancing soon and in the fall

[thorny pewter]

plz tell me theres a self heal keybind im missing.

so infuriating

with heal channel

also, has anyone noticed armor making a significant difference regarding tanking?

[gilded blaze]

with the second warrior armor i am significantly tankier than before and a freind went the tank tree and is even tankier than me with less level and armor

hello, im playing with my frineds on a server with high difficulty settings and i am playing 2 handed bonk. can you reccommend me some skill progressions with mutst have skills? rn i went for the attackspeed with 2H first and the heal on crit. where shoudl i progress best now? i like to be pretty tanky too cause im not skilled enough to not button mash and have well timed dodges all the time. i am level 11 rn with around 5 elexirwells cleared

[summer vector]

basically anything in the barbarian/warrior/tank tree are all decent skills

[gilded blaze]

but also about skill order, wich are important to get first for max powerspikes?

[summer vector]

generally there aren't many massive spikes, though wirlwind crescendo is a good quality of life skill, merciless attack is probs the biggest boost available. grounding hook is another QOL boost

[gilded blaze]

i skilled the grounding hook, but it didnt work agains banshees 🙁

bansheees are my death, i need to wait for the mage to arrive

[summer vector]

you already have the most important skill IMO in battle heal - just move toward what you need next, if your lacking survivability go for tank skills, if you need more damage go berserker

[summer vector]

carry a bow 😄

[gilded blaze]

i deal super few dmg with that too tho or is ther some way to scale them with strength?

[summer vector]

this is My 2H build

[summer vector]

nope, bow scales with dex

[gilded blaze]

but bow is in general better if you dont invest in neither than the wand?

my aim is a little shit, i rarely get the skillshot bonus

[summer vector]

yeah, bow just has better range than wand

[gilded blaze]

but for dmg if i have neither dex nor the battle mage skills?

[summer vector]

they will both be bad damage, bow will have longer range

[gilded blaze]

are the faster charge bows better or the slower with more dmg? i carry a fast one for those ranged buttons in dungeons

[summer vector]

all bows are the same?

at lower levels they bows vary slightly(just use highest dmg), but at endgame they all have same draw speed and arrow speed except one

[teal dragon]

I would like a crossbow

[sullen crater]

It should work on Banshees, I've been chopping them that way all game.

Not in the sense that they stay down, but you can draw them to you for a few swings.

That's usually enough to kill one, or at least do heavy damage.

[sullen crater]

Faster is better, in my experience.

[gilded blaze]

oh really, ive seen bows with more and less draw speed at the first 5 levels and different raritys, going from 1s to .6s form memory

[teal dragon]

Pulling in banshees would be so much nicer if they actually reacts to the pull and didn't one-shot me after I pulled them lmao

[gilded blaze]

how do i do it then? there was no button to grapple to them

[teal dragon]

Should be some kinda flinch

[gilded blaze]

i skilled the upwards attack now, but it takes so much energy i need to aitofr stamina recharge like 4 times before i kill one

[sullen crater]

There should be E on them when you get close enough.

Try relogging to see if it solves the problem. 🤷‍♀️

[gilded blaze]

cause i thought both banshees and the bif sword dudes that stat form te first fountain as boss woudl count as a tall enemy for the skill

how close? right below them or can it be a little triangualr?

[sullen crater]

Aaah, wait, it's two different skills!

One is to pull yourself onto a tall enemy.

Like a Fell Thunderbrute.

The other is to pull flying enemies down.

They're close on the tree, but they're different.

Check if you have both.

[gilded blaze]

yes i had both, but couldnt press e on banshees

thunderbrute was that i thought i coudl pull too.

reskilled before encountering one tho

[sullen crater]

Then relog. You don't need to be directly below them. I've had various E's vanish for silly things (like placing goat food), then reappear upon exiting the game and going back in.

[gilded blaze]

but ill skill them again later when home and relog to try if it works then, casue then i can pull them and my other 2 friends can hit them too at te second

[sullen crater]

Can you pull bats, or does it just not work at all?

(not sure if you got to any other flying enemies)

[gilded blaze]

i didnt encounter bats, removed the skill and am at work now

[cunning mural]

D: I didn't even get to yell "Sick em! " Moderators you're too fast!

[proven breach]

Can you only updraft once per glide despite having enough mana?

[sullen crater]

Yes.

I think it says so in the skill description, but either way, yes. I presume they didn't want mages flying over half the world in one go. 🙂

[main needle]

Anyone else surprised by there only being ice arrows and not others like fire, shock, etc?

[polar grove]

Yea, more specials would be cool, especially for Eternal Arrows/Spells. An Eternal Shroud spell would be really cool, and Eternal Bone Channel

[halcyon vale]

As somebody who plays mage (and has only played mage), 100% we need more spells and eternal arrows

[flat gust]

the regular shroud spells are so expensive to make

[misty sedge]

Yes. I also think it'd be cool if we could make water balloon arrows like we can make explosive arrows.

[main needle]

I know we have stun arrows but I’d love to see some kind of slow down arrow as well like concussive shot on wow

All enemies seem to close the gap way too fast

[dusky totem]

are they planning on adding anymore weapons to the game? I just picked up enshrouded. so far its pretty fun

[main needle]

Absolutely

They are continually adding new weapons which is on their roadmap

[eternal pawn]

Looking for a quick confirmation:

Do the magic swords like wailing blade or Hailscourge count as Magic Weapons for the purposes of skills like Mage Apprentice and Chain Hit?

[flat gust]

no

only wands and staffs

[eternal pawn]

Oh... that's so sad 🙁

[flat gust]

those weapons get boosts from the melee trees

they do get the elemental boosts tho, afaik

[eternal pawn]

Hmm... gonna have to find a new way to make a sword mage without all these cool late game wizard and battle mage abilities

[flat gust]

greatsword doesnt need that many perks to be effective

but yeah thats rough, im still getting mage perks

[eternal pawn]

Greatsword aint gishy though

[flat gust]

except the stamina recovery on parry and the armor buff perks, its all magic perks

[eternal pawn]

Yeah, I wanna 1h sword mage tho

[eternal pawn]

So, pyromaniac and arsonist do affect the wailing blade then?

[eternal pawn]

Dang, for as cool as those swords are... it really doesn't seem like there's a talent build for 1 handed swords that doesn't have point taxes for 2handers in the way.
Warrior is pretty good but then Titan's Edge out of no where is like... 4 pt tax for 2hander if you want Swift Blade

I hope they add a talent line for 1handed swords or make the 1handed elemental sword a magic weapon before the game goes live.

[gilded blaze]

is this one useful for tanking for my mage?

if i draw doubel does that mean if he gets spotted the enemy runs past him towards me

[young acorn]

Not nearly as good as it sounds, and doesn't work in the hallowed halls where it would do most good 😑

[main needle]

Anyone else think armor in general needs a buff? Increased stats when going up a tier, set bonuses, gems?

[bronze hollow]

Gems, for sure. The rest is fine....

[main needle]

I’d like to see set bonuses for 2, 3, or 4 pieces. So you aren’t locked into having to do the full set

[shell zephyr]

They're already planning 'stuff' with combat, which i'd assume involves armour and weapons as well, but i'd suggest making specific comments on the upvote site, there's even a megathread regarding combat https://enshrouded.featureupvote.com/suggestions/676175/general-combat-feedback-thread-update-7 ^^

[bronze hollow]

The beauty of the system how it is now is that you can mix pieces from any class and it's ALL useable. A full set bonus would be cool tho.

[main needle]

Yup! I did I just thought I’d open a dialogue here too

[shell zephyr]

Personally if they add set bonuses i'd like to see it be for Cloth-Leather-Plate. set bonuses for every piece of gear gets complicated quickly in terms of variety, plus you get locked into BiS with little leeway for variation.

[main needle]

That’s a fair point. In short I’d just love to see some more depth to armor but I’m not saying it’s barebones by any means

[shell zephyr]

Definitely a fair amount of streamlining needed.

[main needle]

At the least I think gems would be awesome. But new gems based around armor like gems to increase armor, increased resistance to fire, poison, etc. gem for boots to slightly increase the second jump on double jump,

Gem to add a chance for an arrow or magical spell to be reflected back to an enemy

[shell zephyr]

The gems did come out very niche, some fun gimmicky things, a little underpowered though for what they are.

[patent igloo]

Is fire build worth it in the new area? How much damage reduction is there really?

[brave loom]

Anyone know the damage type of the drak priest orb projectiles?

Wiki says water, but that's not a damage type afaik

Unless you just can't build resistance to it

[prime island]

I wish there were more aerial combat based skills for melee fighters, like imagine dmc style aerial fighting in enshrouded it would be sick

[gleaming musk]

@thorny pewter After some more time with the gem of soul reaping, I suspect that even if the healing amount was way lower output would still be one of the best options due to Bloodletting and Leech interacting with the vials. They also act as fairly bright lights, which is nice

[thorny pewter]

He's getting it

He's seeing the way

Little update on my side. The tank thing was cool and all. But i have gone back to 2h sword spells.

That feels the smoothest and most enjoyable so far

Tank stuff do be pretty interesting tho

[wild cypress]

Careful, enjoying something that isn't mainstream, such as having fun with daggers or great sword, will get you insulted and told you're bad at the game. Having fun your own way is malo. 🤣 We aren't allowed to have our own play style or like what we find fun, we're not playing right. Remember to constantly feel great shame over this.

[gleaming musk]

Yeah I figured it'd be the case haha. Just needed to see how well it worked in practice.

Havent had much time to play over the past weekend. Got caught in the middle of some drama

[misty sedge]

You must treat the game like it's PVP and has a meta and tier lists and that there are optimal builds for clearing things faster as if there isn't a reset timer on the game world

[thorny pewter]

Hahaha, I have quite the response to anyone who would attempt.

Fun is the only way

[thorny pewter]

Been testing the taunt skill nodes - and idk if they necessarily seem worth it 🤔

I feel like if I just get into the mix-up and do dmg, I'll take the aggro for my pew-pew squad

[brave loom]

I've noticed aggro (without that node in play) seems go just go to whoever does the most dps in a certain time frame

Against things like bosses

[heavy forum]

Yeah I’ve only played as a duo and with the aggro it just feels like whoever is doing the most damage pulls threat. So maybe the taunt skill helps with keeping them grouped for others? I’ve ran 2 hander while my buddy runs bow/mage. I’ll just be in the thick of it swinging for the fences with lifesteal and he would sometimes pull aggro and then he just slows dps

[thorny pewter]

hmmmmm

will continue to test then

[flat gust]

i used to take aggro as a mage from my warrior friend all the time

the aggro perks were really noticeable for us

[thorny pewter]

even better when i'm playing as a spellblade/shaman then xD

Taunt + spells + greatsword

AGRRO. WILL. BE. MINE!!!!!!!

https://enshrouded-skill-tree.com/?shortCode=699dec33b5ce9a3bec62f0ca

@gleaming musk @wild cypress this is where I'm currently at

Granted - my current skill points are only at 141

So basically nothing in survivor path for a hot minute

Some considerations I want to test:
breach + shockwave
vigorours deflection + blood warrior
Warden line
Resistances nodes

But all in all, it has been an incredibly satisfying build to play.

The sword & shield was cool and all but just felt too "easy" i suppose?

Wnat to be able to weave around and feel that really satisfying 2hand play

[flat gust]

for me 2handed was easir than 1hand shield

greatsword stun is crazy good

[thorny pewter]

Oh, when you can isolate them?

100%

I've noticed it being more engaging in the big mass fights

I bumped up the monster sliders quite a bit

max out attacks, mass amount of spawn, etc.

[daring sedge]

Could someone break down Nemesis works? We're a bit confused on the aggro in this game :V

[fleet field]

In some other games, tanks can do very little damage, have a skill that just generates threat, or even sit there and generate threat passively.

In this game it's a mix of being close to enemies, damage, and healing. So even though Nemesis and Arch Nemesis help, you still need to be very active contributing to the fight.

[maiden musk]

What's considered a Wildbeast?

[fleet field]

For Beastmaster skill?

[maiden musk]

No, this

[wild cypress]

I presume Vukah and Drak, but excluding Scavengers. I know it works on Drak.

[maiden musk]

Good enough, I assumed it affected those two but I hadn't checked and didn't want to make it in case it ended up not working on Drak

[flat gust]

IT DOES? man i would like to have that 4th food slot

[runic zealot]

My Defensive buffs glitched and instead of my friend recieving the defensive buff it just gave them too me again-

Double Magic Shield + double Earth Aura

[maiden musk]

I'm flabbergasted you survive without a meat type food active lol

[runic zealot]

This glitch would be great for a tank build lol

[runic zealot]

Dmg can only be mitigated by 60-70% so like.. thats all of it right there just from glitchy passives

[flat gust]

i do have one. Its this

[maiden musk]

Last I tried you could only have one of a particular food type active at a time

[flat gust]

ah yeah, ill switch it for veilwater in the next run

draks are so tanky

My life improved once i got the stamina gain on parry perk

[runic zealot]

The most HP u can gain from food buffs is huge, it can give darn near double some squishier builds HP

[flat gust]

i have reached 22 int, the suffering has been worth it

found more lvl50 chests today too

[runic zealot]

||Crab Cake|| + ||Shadowbloom Wrap|| + ||Fish Fillet|| or ||(Grilled fish w/ Coconut Rice)|| + ||Open Sandwich|| (if you have the 4th food buff perk)

[runic zealot]

Where'd ya find these chest at?

[flat gust]

thats all i got for now

[runic zealot]

4 is 4 more than i've found

Are the spell scrolls craftable btw?

[flat gust]

||there is another in the throine room and more silvers in the castle too, i ddint mark those because i never forget them||

wich ones

mmm

i dont think so

[runic zealot]

Dang so their just more useless items in the game then. I was hoping I could add them into my mage build sometime soon

I guess not since u cant reliably obtain them lol

[flat gust]

well u can get more spells later

but imo they are so expensive to make

[lament shard]

Survival is over rated

Die, heal and health buff everyone else

[flat gust]

i just like big boom

[flat gust]

i think the crystalwater staff is the best staff i have found. The 10% mana drain makes its very, very viable for a staff only build. I barely use mana

[flat gust]

Hydrak dal take me a long time to kill as a mage, how do u people kill them?

[fleet field]

I use Eternal ice bolt II and an ice wand

[halcyon vale]

Soaked status build with electric wand, kill the drak boss in 30 sec

[flat gust]

gem of currents?

[halcyon vale]

Yep, put that on an electric wand, get yourself wet/soaked, and enjoy the dps.

Get the crown of lightning or whatever its called and use drak soulward flask for a little extra dmg

[flat gust]

i havent stumbled into that

[halcyon vale]

I won't spoil. Perhaps I've said too much already 😂

[flat gust]

nah i knew it existed, its fine

gonna look for it

[wild cypress]

Quick take time, gang; Bloodletting or Blood Magic?

[bronze hollow]

why not both?

[ripe rune]

Both
But bloodletting first

Bloodletting may be the most powerful mage perk, but blood magic is like 200 mana for 4 pts, which is very cost-effective

[ripe rune]

If u dont want to wait for electric-soak build, or dont wanna swap builds for specific foes, use bone channel spell or just wand, those are best single target dps options for mages

[flat gust]

yeh im trying with a shroud wand with corruption, seems faster with regular drak

gonna try with thicc drak later

[ripe rune]

Yea helix is good vs non-shroud bosses

Not sure if corruption matters much, all extra damage gems are ass, i just use necromancy on everything

[ripe rune]

The best staff currently is Taurus iirc, with 2 damage mods and 1 mana leech mod

Well, the actual best staff is pre-update Crystalwater, with 3 damage and 1 mana leech, but we cant get it anymore

[fathom musk]

Anyone got any good builds for a mage I could copy. I am only lvl 10 however really struggling to deal good damage and stay alive during battles?

[flat gust]

well, wand early, fire for shroud enemies, ice for humans. Animals are weak to fire too i think. Shroud is good out of shroud areas too

[fathom musk]

Awesome okay thank you! Any tips on what to focus on to become more powerful?

[flat gust]

id say wand perks and int early

thats what worked for me

[ripe rune]

Double jump, updraft, blink
Trickster tree, 50% spell cast time if wanna use staves, wand tree if like wands more
Dont get baited into water and sun auras

[flat gust]

water aura is all the regen i have, heals like 37 per tick

imo staves once u got eternal fireball and decent mana regen, or a staff with mana drain

[halcyon vale]

I use the violet storm staff. I believe it has extra crit damage vs soaked enemies (like 30%) so that sold me😂

[patent igloo]

So I’m assuming lightning and fire damage is best for mages in the new area?

[hybrid breach]

Shroud damage is generally good against anything outside of the Shroud but you can expect anything in it to be immune. Fire's generally good - neutral or effective against most things and Shrouded enemies are often weak - but especially in lategame you start seeing resistances to it. Lightning is a general catchall element that's neutral against pretty much everything, but the new area has some enemies weak to it too.

[gleaming musk]

Nope, and all scrolls except Prayer of the Flame and the Vukah Scroll aren't worth using. The latter is also made redundant by ||learning how to make the Vukah Altars in Blackmire||

[gleaming musk]

Varies tbh. Ice Bolt 2 for example is really easy to make

[gleaming musk]

Bloodletting, and skip on Blood Magic entirely. There are plenty of means of restoring MP without making yourself more fragile.

[gleaming musk]

Corruption is an outlier because it does Shroud damage and multishot attacks build the flat damage up enough to where even in 1v1 it's a noticable increase. Plus, the AoE is nice.

On wands you want it on stuff like Voidcaller because having both Multishot and Ethereal Duplication allows it to shoot up to 5 projectiles per swing with Wand Master. On staves you'll see the most benefit with spells like Lightning Channel.

In all general cases ||Gem of Soul Reaping|| is outright superior, but ||Gem of Overpowering|| has some handy utility worth putting on one of your wands and ||Gem of Currents|| will get you more damage for certain elements. ||Gem of Cold Composure|| has some nice defensive utility but is made somewhat redundant by the ||Frost|| perk.

[gleaming musk]

Yep. I'm actively working on an in-depth one. Link's in my bio. Search it for the #early-game tag for tips. Right now the most developed section is on Skills

[gleaming musk]

Blink isn't really worth it until you can also get Emergency Blink. Quick Casting is basically mandatory even if you prefer wands. Sun Aura is awful, but Water Aura is a nice QoL perk, especially if you're wearing healer shoes and chest

[ripe rune]

Investing in QoL and healer clothes when struggling for power is, ehm....
Water aura is useless in combat (with 1 exception in the entire game) because fights are so fast.
And gets redundant as QoL once u get first eternal heal spell

[gleaming musk]

Other chest and shoe slot equipment doesn't increase mage strength, with the exception of the tiny wand damage boost battlemage chestpieces give.

WoL + Healer chest/shoes prevents the need to worry about taking smaller hits in combat, saving you overhead and letting you focus on killing things.

But yes, at the end of the day it's purely QoL and not a priority. Eternal Heal Channel is nearly a full replacement for it even though it's currently bugged and won't heal you if allies are nearby.

[ripe rune]

Extra health and manaregen is also combat power

[gleaming musk]

Extra health is easy to get. Mana Regen is a worthless stat with how the Mana economy is currently balanced. Even picking up MaxMana effects is often a waste for a pure mage.

Further, WoL is passive and procs every second. With healer chest/shoes it very quickly makes up for the MaxHP you lose by using those gear pieces. That's even before considering it applies those benefits to your allies too, which keeps them alive and able to focus on killing as well.

[wild cypress]

Thanks for the input, y'all.

[gleaming musk]

Basically, this is good conventional wisdom that applies to building mages in most games. However Enshrouded is balanced in such a way that this mindset actually hurts your build more than it helps.

[flat gust]

i use the regen boots, but the hp buff of a warrior chest is pretty big

by regen boots i mean healing boost boots

[gleaming musk]

Melee chest with highest HP is only slightly higher than battlemage chest at the same tier. Though it does offer much more PhysDef

Those will be more worth it if you would otherwise die in 1-2 hits or so. But if you're able to escape danger for at least a few seconds before getting downed, the Healer chest with WoL is comparable, with more value the longer you can avoid being hit

[flat gust]

i agree to that

[gleaming musk]

The Frost skill makes this easier to achieve, and you'll want it anyway

[flat gust]

in my case, the drak lunge just gets me sometimes

and the sword dash hollows make

i got the stamina recovery on parry, its a great skill too

[gleaming musk]

I've yet to give that a try tbh, mostly because any time I find myself in melee I back way tf off, and I have Bloodletting + Good Metabolism + crit rate focus

So I rarely use stamina, and when I do I usually have plenty through orbs

Its also a decent ways into a tree that otherwise doesnt have much for mages

[flat gust]

i parry a lot lately, specially the spear draks

would like the paery shockwave but its too many points

[gleaming musk]

Yeah that's especially out of reach

Honestly imo Arcane Deflection should work like Golden Parry from Elden Ring (mid-range parry). It'd match the mid-range combat style of wands perfectly.

For balance, could restrict that mechanic to Wards so it doesnt become a node everyone should obviously take

[void juniper]

the cheese is moldy and nasty

[runic zealot]

This is what I was aiming for with my Mage build

And then theirs some hollow hall gems that give even more orbs on kills

And lets me occasionally summon a skeleton when picking them up I think too-

I cant rember-

[sullen crater]

Yup, gems of Necromancy.

Lesser for skulls, greater for skeletons.

[runic zealot]

If I have good metabolism does it make my orbs give other players 30% as well or do they need the passive to benefit from them as well?

The lesser require u to do merciless strikes and i dont even think wands and staves can do merciless strikes.

Pretty useless for a mage build

[gleaming musk]

Gem of Skulls for skulls, Gem of Lesser Necromancy for skeletons actually

(But both of them are bad imo)

[runic zealot]

But the skeleton one seems good cause its on kill instead

I think-

[gleaming musk]

They also need Good Metabolism, but they want it anyway because it also boosts potion effectiveness

[runic zealot]

Ohh i didnt kno that

I've actually never used a potion before

[gleaming musk]

Lesser Necromancy is on kill, Skulls is on Merciless Attack which wands and staves cannot do (last i checked)

[sullen crater]

My bad, you're right!

[runic zealot]

Yeah so Lesser Necromancy is the wat to go

[gleaming musk]

Yeah I dont use many either. Mostly theyre just insurance

[runic zealot]

Cause the necromancy skill can stack with it

[runic zealot]

I just use bandages and the eternal heal channel

At least for a non-mage build its more consistent

[gleaming musk]

The gem summons doesnt scale well and gets in the way of your spells fyi. Same with the Necromancy skill (blocking your spells)

The skeleton from the gem also has a bad moveset and often whiffs

[flat gust]

i use the 2nd tier potions, the ones u can make with honey and chamomille

[runic zealot]

All it really needs to do is draw aggro tbh

Provably doesnt even do that tho LOL

[gleaming musk]

Skeleton often whiffs, making it fail to draw aggro too.

Skulls jit more reliably though

[runic zealot]

Unfortunately u cant use skulls in a mage build

Without building into a melee mage

I' pretty sure u can craft the skull bombs tho

[gleaming musk]

Honestly the Necromancer perk skulls are better since they match your level. They can take and dish out a surprising amount of damage

They just also completely disable Heal Channel on yourself atm, and also get in the way of your spells often

[runic zealot]

So it's probs easier to just carry a bunch of em on u

[flat gust]

im gonna get that probably, i dont use heal spells

[gleaming musk]

For keeping enemies at bay, you'll get the most bang for your buck by taking Terror and speccing for crit chance

[runic zealot]

Heal spells seem pretty bad for mages, I feel like potions are the best option for mages

Since u need to conserve mana for atking

[gleaming musk]

Basically every mob of enemies can be shut down by Ice Bolt + Lightning Channel with this

[gleaming musk]

Eh, healing spells arent very expensive tbh. You also dont need to conserve mana, just need enough mana for one or two spells

A single Mana Leech node on a staff near-singlehandedly removes any worries about Mana

[flat gust]

i almost dont use mana attacking. 10% mana drain is very powerful

lightning channel almost no mana cost

[runic zealot]

I'm suprised the don't have a spell that just creates a healing feild on the ground u can heal while standing in

[flat gust]

i know other staffs hit more, but this one for exploring is very comfy, almost no downtime

[gleaming musk]

All of their healing spells are absurdly one dimensional. Closest thing we have to that is Water Aura / Waters of Life. Those are also boosted by healing spell buffs

[gleaming musk]

The lack of downtime is more powerful than slightly more damage per spell tbqh

[runic zealot]

Water Aura is boosted by healing passives?

[gleaming musk]

Though everyone does like seeing big numbers

[flat gust]

it is

[gleaming musk]

Oddly, yes

[flat gust]

both perks and armor

[runic zealot]

What else is boosted by healing armor bonuses?

Ohhh

[flat gust]

notice the mana bar

[runic zealot]

That changes everything

[gleaming musk]

Just that and healing spells

[runic zealot]

I'm in the process of making a mage rn so this is very valuable info for how I will make it.

[gleaming musk]

Also Gem of Bloodlust works great with Bloodletting, and Gem of Soul Reaping is absurdly busted atm (probably a bug)

[runic zealot]

Still very good to know tho

[gleaming musk]

Even if the healing amount from Soul Reaping is heavily nerfed, the fact that hitting/killing the vials counts as hitting/killing enemies is extremely valuable

[runic zealot]

Thats the gem i was thinking of bloodlust

[gleaming musk]

Take a look at my WIP guide. I go into detail about a lot of this stuff, and am making it easily searchable

[runic zealot]

I noticed that occasionally if I have a gem on my melee weap and ranged weap they can occasionally both proc on either weap

I think it may be a glitch but if not then that makes for alot of synergy

[gleaming musk]

Yeah thats a known bug atm. Gems applying server wide for all weapons

[runic zealot]

Oh

Server wide is crazy-

[gleaming musk]

Yeah lmao

[sullen crater]

Yup, when you're on someone else's. Can't get it solo. 😄

[gleaming musk]

When I had it happening with a Corruption gem I could barely see anything, especially when I cast Lightning Channel

Big ol cloud o' shroud

[gleaming musk]

I got it solo, but the server is remote hosted so that may be the triggering factor

[runic zealot]

They should keep the mechanic but restrict it too just your current in hand weap and ranged weapons gems triggering one either weap

It'll be amazing for some builds

[gleaming musk]

Tbh I'd rather they add more gem slots to each weapon and just disallow duplicate gems on a wep

Then add more variety

[runic zealot]

That'd be great too

[brave loom]

Wait so can I just have 10 weapons with the same gems in them and they all trigger at the same time?

[runic zealot]

I get it solo all the time, thats how i noticed the glitch in the first place lol

I only ever play solo soo...

[gleaming musk]

Fairly sure you wouldn't get duplicate gem effects, but yeah if you can reliably get the bug to work

Also not sure if its all gems that do this or just some

[runic zealot]

I think u can get duplicate gem effects

[gleaming musk]

I've only personally witnessed it with Corruption, but have heard of it working for Burning

[brave loom]

I notice with burning on my wand, shooting a fireball from a staff only applies burning if I have the burning wand selected

[runic zealot]

Just depends on the gems

[brave loom]

The other weird thing is that it applies burning to every single enemy hit, not just 1

[gleaming musk]

That's likely intentional

[runic zealot]

I hope so

It says it has a 5s CD but i feel it should apply to all enemies hit by ur one swing

[gleaming musk]

Yeah the intention is probably just to apply to everything hit by your next fire-type attack

Otherwise its low damage would make even less sense

[runic zealot]

I put it on my ignition hammer

[brave loom]

It only works for instant things though

[runic zealot]

But I had a gem combo idea in mind

Light + Burning

[brave loom]

Like they gotta take the hit the same frame

As with fireball/aoes

[runic zealot]

Ahh..

[flat gust]

ice also burns with that gem

and lightning

[runic zealot]

What-

[gleaming musk]

You've tested that with melee weapons?

[brave loom]

Not melee no

Didn't work with chain lightning

[gleaming musk]

I mean, it shouldn't work with Chain Lightning at all to begin with lol

[runic zealot]

I wanted to use that gem on a bow with explosive arrows

[gleaming musk]

Chain Lightning is also likely scripted as separate attacks as the jumps have separate gameplay logic from the initial cast

[brave loom]

The staff added fire dmg

To make it work

[gleaming musk]

Ahh

[runic zealot]

Ohhh ok that makes sense

[flat gust]

water aura, 22 int, both healer perks and healer boots

[brave loom]

Is 22 int what you have with every single int node possible except 1 and max level flame?

I've been wondering if I need to spend 3 points for that last int or not in the healer tree to make it an even number

[flat gust]

u talking about the one that scales on flame upgrade?

OH SORRY

[brave loom]

This one

[flat gust]

yeh i got that, healing revive is wasted if solo

but i think i got them all and max flame

[brave loom]

Ok so I do need it for an even amount of int then. Darn

[flat gust]

all im missing is spirit nodes

[gleaming musk]

Spirit nodes are kinda pointless tbf

[flat gust]

yeah i get what i strictly need to reach other stuff

[runic zealot]

Mana is pretty plentiful with just flame alter alone

[gleaming musk]

Honestly even in multiplayer Healing Revive is terrible. I plan on submitting some feedback items for revising it.

Only real tangible value it has is preventing you from having to take Martyr, one of the worst mage skills there is, just to reach the Int node

[brave loom]

It's just tax for that last int node lol

Same way begone is tax for the trickster stuff

[runic zealot]

I think 20int is more than enough to get by if u ask me

That 20 on aura heal

[brave loom]

I thought counterstrike was a meme at first, but the amount of times it has crit and sent a chain of lightning is too dang high

[gleaming musk]

Yeah, but more damage doesnt hurt + there's plenty of SP to get all the good mage nodes with a good chunk of SP left over

[gleaming musk]

Assuming you have around 35% crit chance, the chance of that happening when you get hit by melee is only 7%. It'll definitely happen, but not very often

[brave loom]

🤷‍♂️

Happens a lot idk lol

Maybe I just get hit a lot

[gleaming musk]

Counterstrike is like Life Essences. Basically a stepping stone with a minor benefit you dont have to think about to benefit from

Sad part is Life Essences is a capstone skill lmfao

[brave loom]

Yeah fair

[runic zealot]

Counterstrike is actually good because it's based on the enemies dmg

[brave loom]

I also like that it just kills things for me sometimes

[runic zealot]

So it actually scales really well as u progress

[brave loom]

It scales inversely with your tank gear tho lol

[gleaming musk]

I think the most I ever benefitted from Counterstrike was when I accidentally went afk near a bunch of rats

Came back a few moments later to a mass of rat corpses

[runic zealot]

Im gonna go for water aura with bonus healing from chest and get the -0.4sec on HP regen boots

So that the healing triggers immediately after hit

[gleaming musk]

I mean there's a lot of melee enemies and they swing often lol. Also all tiny swarms use melee attacks. The count adds up quickly

[brave loom]

I'm gonna go tank chest just to tank 2 spear lunges from the drak and live

[runic zealot]

That should land me roughly +200% healing on the water aura as well as other forms like meals and rings ect.

[brave loom]

2 of them with the healer chest and I died

Maybe it's different when I get the tiny upgrades for other gear and upgrade my flame twice

Cuz right now they do like 60% of my health ish

[gleaming musk]

If you have 22 Int, Waters of Life, and are using endgame healer chest/shoes with Healer I & II, it's 68 per tick btw

[brave loom]

I like int mostly for base damage on the lightning chain stuff on crit

[gleaming musk]

Int also indirectly influences Leech weapon upgrades

[brave loom]

But it's also just generic damage and heals too

[gleaming musk]

More Int means less need for Spirit lmao

[gleaming musk]

Healing isnt influenced by any stat

[brave loom]

For the water aura

[gleaming musk]

Ah, yeah. Thought you meant spells lol

[brave loom]

O no I don't even use those

Only need health pots for emergencies and water aura

[gleaming musk]

Yeah at this point I just keep Heal Channel on my person cause I like being able to whip it out in case an ally is getting focused and panicking

[brave loom]

https://enshrouded-skill-tree.com/?shortCode=699f44a594866252a6b88856 this is my planned tree now

[gleaming musk]

My partner also has a tendency to not pay attention to his health gauge in any game, ever

[brave loom]

Might get rid of eternal spark and just carry repair kits

Now that I have unlimited mats for them

Could also tryhard and unspec the stuff in the middle for 90% of the time, but am lazy

[gleaming musk]

Pretty solid. Also very close to the build im recommending in my guide.

I'd suggest axing Lumberjack and Miner, then picking up Ice Man, Sub Zero, and Shoud Filter though

[brave loom]

I don't use ice at all

[gleaming musk]

You might also wanna work in Backstab Damage

[brave loom]

The backstab nodes in the middle seem very mid to me

Situational 5% dmg per point

When I already have like 200% dmg

[gleaming musk]

Why is that? Backstabbing is easy and works on everything, and really easy to land in multiplayer

[runic zealot]

I think having instant regen proc between atks at about 55 per sec will be more consistent that 68 per second after a half sec delay

[gleaming musk]

Ahh

[flat gust]

Hydrak dal magic tracking is insane

and seems to have no range limit

[gleaming musk]

I see you're using Life Burst though lol

[flat gust]

dude sniped me from another biome

[brave loom]

It's nice for instantly recovering a bit with +50% enemies

[flat gust]

i also just cheated death, it seems because of some life drain on my staff

[brave loom]

Not great tho yeah. I don't have it specced on the game rn

[gleaming musk]

Even at max Int it's only 66 HP on an enemy kill, and for a whopping 4 SP

[brave loom]

Prob rather just take the con per flame node

[gleaming musk]

In normal fights the healing isnt needed and in boss fights you wont benefit much

[brave loom]

But that's all multiplied by healing right?

[gleaming musk]

That, I actually dont remember. I'd have to double check.

I want to say no

[brave loom]

If it doesn't then yeah instantly axing it

[gleaming musk]

Because I used to run nearly full healer gear pre-magic-nerf and even then barely saw any benefit

[brave loom]

Always have like 20 minutes in the shroud so don't feel like I want shroud filter anymore

[gleaming musk]

Honestly this is what I'd recommend. Repair Kits dont get dropped on death and they'd also work for your tools too

[runic zealot]

Someone earlier said that healing factor armor and skill bonuses scale armor and water aura's regen

Im assuming rings are factors as well for the benefit but i can't exactly test this to find out rn

[brave loom]

Yeah they work on water aura for sure. I tested that. didn't test life burst

[gleaming musk]

Fair. I like it for extended exploration, resource gathering, and helping lower level players on different servers

[flat gust]

@runic zealotwich ring?

[gleaming musk]

I also get hella lost in some shroud lairs sometimes lol

[flat gust]

shroud leir, no more reasons needed

[runic zealot]

Any HP regen ring.

I plan to test to see if the armor healing passive scale those as well

[brave loom]

Hp regen is kind of a meme. It's per 5 seconds

[gleaming musk]

I doubt they will tbh. But may as well test

[flat gust]

i can test that right now

[brave loom]

Also water aura is like per 2.5 seconds or something weird

[runic zealot]

This definitely not true, its 100% per sec.

[gleaming musk]

Speaking of, @brave loom I confirmed that Fireball radii differences apply to enemies too, not just props

[brave loom]

It says per 5 seconds in the stat page 😠

[runic zealot]

I feel like it's lying then

[flat gust]

no ring:37

2 ultimate hp rings: still 37

but now the hp bar moves in between ticks

its separate

[gleaming musk]

Oh boy

[runic zealot]

In between ticks?

[flat gust]

in between the water aura ticks? is that the ricght word?

[runic zealot]

I feel like its lying.

[brave loom]

Is there a way to see actual hp number?

Like current hp

[runic zealot]

Gonna have yo jump off a cliff or something and time how long it takes to fully heal

[brave loom]

I have water aura

D:

[gleaming musk]

Never really looked tbh. Maybe in the stat bar or something to turn on in options

[flat gust]

i jumped from a roof

[brave loom]

I guess I can unspec it

[gleaming musk]

Otherwise you're basically stuck recording, counting pixels, and doing math 🤓

[flat gust]

im in my base rn, thats why i tested it

[runic zealot]

I like math

Its my favorite part of buildcrafting in games

[gleaming musk]

I do math all the time for work and play, but more out of necessity than liking it

[brave loom]

Same. I did a lot of testing for dark and darker and figured out the damage formula for the wiki

[gleaming musk]

My favorite thing in buildcrafting is chaining interesting effects together

[runic zealot]

Thats awesome

Luckily dmg calculations are ez in Enshrouded.

[brave loom]

But they vary 😠

[gleaming musk]

We need better training dummies and a full combat log lol

[brave loom]

Something weird like +/- 20% dmg or something idk

[flat gust]

so, let me get this straight. Lesser necromancy works on kill and its only in hollow halls. Right?

and stacks with necromancy perk?

[gleaming musk]

Its on kill, drops in Nomad Highlands HH only, and works anywhere

[gleaming musk]

Yep

[flat gust]

and ther is another one thats only on merciless attacks right

[gleaming musk]

Not to be confused with Skulls, which has a different trigger and drop location

[runic zealot]

Idk

[brave loom]

Gem of skulls

[runic zealot]

I think it just depends on the enemy atks.

[flat gust]

k gonna get the hollow halls one then, might give it a try

[brave loom]

Is the merciless

[runic zealot]

But with max defense red all atks do the same dmg.

[gleaming musk]

Be aware its limited to only one skeleton at a time, meanwhile Necromancy perk has no limit and neither does skull grenades

[runic zealot]

Depending onvwhich atk is done

[brave loom]

I mean player damage. If you hit something 5 times, you will prob get a dif damage number every time (as long as it isn't an object)

[gleaming musk]

If you want to play as a necromancer you're prob better off doing Gem of Soul Reaping to keep your summons healed

[gleaming musk]

Yeah combat dummies placed in your base need to have absurdly high HP + prevent random damage rolls

[brave loom]

I was surprised when I killed my dummy lol

I thought it was unlimited

[gleaming musk]

Yeah its kinda silly how fragile they are

[runic zealot]

Ah player dmg, yeah

[brave loom]

Ok I'll time how long it takes to heal 100 hp with 8 regen

Walking off my roof gets me to exactly a 100 hp marker

Rested start time: 1:06
Rested healed time: 1:04:55

So like 65 sec for 100 hp

1.54 healing per sec about
8 per 5 sec is 1.6

So it's definitely per 5 sec

[runic zealot]

I wonder if water aura specifically works by the sec then

Like Bandages

[brave loom]

It's slightly slower than per sec

I'll check in recording software

Or I'll die cuz I jumped too high

🙂

[runic zealot]

So HP regen is just as booty cheeks as I thought in active combat

Especially with a 0.5sec delay

[mossy igloo]

Hello, I have the shell shock and I am using an explosive arrow (which is supposed to stun enemies for 1 sc) and does work on most but not the sickle fell monster ... will the stun arrows work on him?

[flat gust]

lmao, this is too much

[brave loom]

Nvm it's every 2 seconds

I did .1x speed

took 20.08 seconds

So water aura procs every 2 seconds

Kinda weird to have it effectively be 1 health per 2 int per 2 seconds lmao

Just make it 1 health per 4 int per second

Guess I'll see if life burst scales with healing or not now

Healed about 50 hp with 18 int

Definitely does not scale lol

[gleaming musk]

Good to know for certain. Thanks for checking

Does anyone know if the Skill Shot perk from Ranger also works for spells? I cant find conclusive evidence either way online, but the wording makes it seem generic

[brave loom]

I don't think spells can headshot

Skillshot = headshot in this

[gleaming musk]

Yes, I understand that's how its conceptually intended. But I know little of bows so idk if head shots are an inherent mechanic or if that perk adds them to begin with

[brave loom]

I think it's bow exclusive

[gleaming musk]

Alright. I'll leave it off my build for now, then, and test it when I get a chance to be certain

[runic zealot]

Im offended

Just show health regen as exactly per second.

[brave loom]

Real

[runic zealot]

Not per every 5 seconds

It gets peoples hopes upbofr nothing

[brave loom]

My guess is they just want it to be something for out of combat to not need to waste heals, but do not much in combat

Water aura is at least good in combat if you stack int and use healing boots

Tank body or healer body is a choice for me in the future

[runic zealot]

That's..

Bandages and eternal healing spells are basically free outside of combat

Im offended.

[brave loom]

Item/inventory tax

[runic zealot]

Armor and stat tax for the alternative

If u opt HP regen u get less bonus HP from armor

[brave loom]

Oh yeah the hp regen stats for armor are terrible

I was thinking food or rings

[runic zealot]

Which also means that HP regen rings are completely useless

Since the highest is 9

[brave loom]

Hey that's over 1hp per sec!

huge

[runic zealot]

When food can suffice enough to heal cap u outside of combat

[brave loom]

In combat i think you're just supposed to use lifesteal as a melee

Archer just don't get hit

[runic zealot]

So my theory that every weapon that doesnt have health leech is useless is now confirmed more than ever.

[brave loom]

Probably yeah

[runic zealot]

My inner feeling for that lack of mechanic balance across the board was just after all

[brave loom]

I found a champion axe with double leech, crit, and dmg

Pretty good melee weapon

[runic zealot]

Double leech is great

I was right to think that the Gemini Ring is the absolute best rings to double up on

[brave loom]

The best part of leech weapons is that you can use dots from gems to revive yourself lol

Doesn't work with the rings since those are a dif type of leech

[runic zealot]

So THATS why i randomly self rezzed

That makes DoT gems way more effective then

I do have a question tho, is there a way to get legendary rarity drops from the craftable lore items

Or are they all just more useless rubbish that serve no purpose in the longevity of the game?

[gleaming musk]

Probably. Earlier in the game's EA life, things were balanced to where for a large chunk of the game you were expected to do any between-combat healing with fruit and bandages.

Though at the same time Water Aura was twice as potent as it currently is

[gleaming musk]

At what point do you get revived? Upon reaching 1hp?
(This is also probably a bug though)

[runic zealot]

That explains why the water aura seemed.. ironically watered down lol

[brave loom]

Ya 1hp

Def a bug

[gleaming musk]

It's also why the two perks are "heal X every 2 Int". Used to be every 1 int

[gleaming musk]

Tbh I'd almost rather it do nothing on someone unless they're wet/soaked, but then it heals a solid chunk when wet and even more when soaked

Or Alternatively, give it some secondary mechanic tied to Wet/Soaked

[runic zealot]

You'd have to deliberately debuff ur teammates for that then tho

And for some builds like Tanks -30% stam and stam regen can be pretty rough

[gleaming musk]

Deliberate debuffs in exchange for a tactical positive trade is one of the best ways to make support characters more dynamic. Just look at Gloomhaven

[cedar ravine]

Look at this this way - it allmost does nothing 🙂 Most value aspect of that node ius the spirit node (IIRC) that follows it.

[gleaming musk]

Spirit nodes are a complete waste of SP lol

Except for maybe mage hybrids, but even then their value is tenuous

If anything its worth grabbing as a stepping stone to Shroud Filter, which is pretty ridiculously stronk

[runic zealot]

Thats the one that gives u plus 30 secs on kills?

[gleaming musk]

15% chance on every hit with a magic weapon to add 30 sec to you and allies within 20 meters.

You dont even need to do actual damage atm, so wands like Voidcaller are portable Shroud Timer batteries in the shroud in addition to being good offensive weapons outside it

Instantly turns the Shroud Timer from a serious threat to barely an inconvenience

Also means you can pretty freely use stuff like Shroud Beam Channel without fear of the max Timer penalty

[runic zealot]

You dont need to do smg with the wand?

[gleaming musk]

Nope lol

[runic zealot]

U just have have one on u?

[gleaming musk]

You have to make attacks that connect using a magic weapon. They just don't have to do damage.

[runic zealot]

Ohhh yep

Its on hit

[gleaming musk]

Voidcaller is found in Shroud Lairs at all tiers afaik. It has both Multishot and Ethereal Duplication, and so can fire up to 5 projectiles per swing

[runic zealot]

Which makes it even better than the melee variant

[gleaming musk]

By a landslide lmao

[runic zealot]

I been trying to find a wand with those two perks + health leech

[gleaming musk]

Even if they made it to where you have to deal damage, the perk is nuts

[runic zealot]

If such a wand exists its instantly the best wand in the game.

[gleaming musk]

Voidcaller comes with Mana Leech but not Health Leech. At least, that's been the case every time I've found one

[cedar ravine]

Can be, I find it useful to have a larger mana pool to let me spam for longer with a max damage staff before I need ot swithc to a mana leech staff. I have alot of the healing tree just to get at the int and sp nodes in it but dont use heal spells at all.

[gleaming musk]

Eh, you're better off taking all of the circumstantial damage nodes and just sticking to a staff that has Mana Leech.

Even then there's a few SP left over you could use on Spirit nodes if you felt like it

Though I'd bet taking the stamina regen perks would be better

[cedar ravine]

I might agree if that stats on end game staff we actually have in game were better - and they used to be. But aftre the weapon and perk changes, I find I like to have the damage while I can and switch to a lesser staff when i need the sustain.

[gleaming musk]

Swapping weapons is more well suited for wands imo. Staves already have to worry about swapping spells. Having to worry about which staff you're using on top of which spell (esp in combo with each other), is a ton of overhead

But if you havent found a higher damage staff with Mana Leech, then sure it can make sense in some circumstances

[cedar ravine]

I only use 3 spells ice fire and shock so I dont have to deal with complex spell swapping. Otherwise might again agree 🙂 and I have all staff that exist.

[runic zealot]

The magic light spell is actually very good if u havent used it before

It does a ton of AoE stun build up

[gleaming musk]

It does, but you can get better stun with Lightning Channel + Terror, especially if you hit them with Ice Bolt first

And with that you actually deal appreciable damage

[cedar ravine]

I used to use them all, but found I just fight so much better with only 3 spell as have one selected, anotehr is one up on mouse wheel and the otehr is one down on mouse wheel, so never having to scroll and find something in combat

[runic zealot]

Yeah same

Just pick ur 3 peice combo and call it good

Also if ur playing a purely melee based build, magic shield is an excellent addition for it.. +25% phys resistance is pretty huge

Especially considering dmg mitigation cap is 60% or 70% with heavy plating

[gleaming musk]

For the most part I have Fireball, Ice Bolt, and Lightning Channel sorted for that reason. I always reset to Ice Bolt since I find its the most generally useful.

I do keep Heal Channel, Bone Channel, and Shroud Beam Channel on my person though and slightly further out of the way. They're more niche but definitely have situations where they shine

Magic Shield I expect to do the same with. Situational, but handy

[runic zealot]

Since im a melee class I just drop the bubble then let the enemy come to me

[cedar ravine]

Each to their own - but I stopped even carrying anything else - prefer to keep scroll clean and down to 3. I rely upon just not being wheh an enemy is attacking and if I mess up, then chug a potion.

[runic zealot]

Hence why I say its amazing on a melee build especially with the nemesis/arch-nemesis passive to draw aggro if ur doing co-op

[cedar ravine]

My mage is just pure mage, but also very tanky.

[runic zealot]

You kinda have to build tanky in this game.

Heavy plates feels pretty much mandatory imo

[gleaming musk]

I also rely on staying away from enemies.

Heal Channel, I keep on hand to heal friends that took heavy hits and panic. My partner also usually ignores his health gauge.

Bone Channel and Shroud Beam Channel are both especially good at bursting down bosses and give me full damage coverage. Even better if I'm in multiplayer and can position for Backstab.

Magic Shield, I expect would mainly be used in the case that there isnt much room to maneuver away from enemies, such as on a ledge

All of these are organized to be further away from my main 3, and I just keep their use cases in the back of my head.

[runic zealot]

The difference between 40% of an atk hitting u vrs 30% is quite staggering, especially in late game.

That can easily be a difference of 100+ extra dmg.

[heavy forum]

Barb double Gemini ring is the only way to go 😂

[cedar ravine]

It also depend how often you are being hit - the dmaage cap in this end up meaning you can be hurt badly by lots of small hits or heavy dots

[runic zealot]

Thats what I have on my barb lol

[runic zealot]

It definitely helps with trading blows or if a lizard lunge atks u

Or especially bosses

[cedar ravine]

I use 2 x ring of ancients on all my end game chars - pure barb, pure mage and a bow+dagger ranger

[runic zealot]

But I guess it's more relevant for me because I play on hard which has enemy dmg scale set to 150%

[cedar ravine]

Same effectively - not hard but custom setting that mean combat is the same or worse than hard. (we got lazy over some other settings)

[heavy forum]

+1 to all is nice… however.. when you’re fighting 20 enemies and getting chunked and then you hit the lifesteal you can’t die

I have my enemies spawn increased. Clearing the Veilwater basin spire at level 23 was a bit challenging 😅

[gleaming musk]

Same on my mage, though since I mainly use Ice Bolt I'll swap to the frost rings if I go wandering in the summits

[cedar ravine]

In fairness - on my barb I choose a weapon with LL on it so I could keep 2x ROA rings. If I had to make do with random crappy weapon, then yeh I might have an LL ring instead

[heavy forum]

I play enshrouded like a nutcase. Oh I’m level 1 and have a pick axe and glider. Time to go to kindlewastes. lol

I’m gonna do a bomb only run soon I think.

[gleaming musk]

Good luck with that lmfao

[brave loom]

That sounds horrible lmao

[gleaming musk]

Are there even any perks that increase bomb damage? From what ive seen they barely dent anything and there's nothing to make them stronger.

[brave loom]

Just the materials needed...

And the holes you will dig lol

[gleaming musk]

I've always leaned towards using them for exploration only, and otherwise just using utility grenades

[heavy forum]

Don’t have to fight enemies if they’re in a hole 😎

[brave loom]

I've only used bombs for digging through mountains I'm not supposed to dig through

[gleaming musk]

Could drop em in a hole and then nuke them with explosive barrels

[heavy forum]

I dig tunnels like my ancestors. Big mountain…. No problem…. Location below.. no problem. Gate sealing me off from a juicy golden chest… no… “ineffective”……. Whhhhhaaattttt

[gleaming musk]

Same. Though my main use case is to turn ledges into staircases. There's a lot of sheer walls that a single bomb can make climbable with Double Jump

[heavy forum]

I have mined through plenty of places that I’m not supposed to go. Devs don’t fix this. It’s pure magic.

[runic zealot]

Yeah I also do custom technically its just base settings were on hard.

I just upped factory times, food buff durations and EXP gain on quests.

[brave loom]

Yknow this is a lot more reasonable than digging through it

[runic zealot]

I did enable starvation and reduce EXP on mining.

I was leveling too much from mining even at base 100%

[heavy forum]

Hollow Halls….. making find Roman numbers…. Nawwww… just throw a bomb at the wall and skip the gate. lol

[brave loom]

Farming enemies is actually really insane xp in the last biome. Each enemy is like 150+ xp

[gleaming musk]

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[brave loom]

I can just fireball giant packs of the fell guys on the surface at night

And drop 1500 xp per pack

[heavy forum]

Bomb only build? ☠️😂

I’d probably take the healing aura as well

[gleaming musk]

Sneaking, digging, running, gliding. What more do you need?

[brave loom]

Lol I dug through those a few times when I was lazy

[gleaming musk]

Fair point haha

[brave loom]

I was digging while friend was doing the puzzles. I got through before he was 1/4 done

[heavy forum]

Let’s be real Hallow Halls is the worst place to go solo in all of Enshrouded lol

[brave loom]

And the tank aura!

[gleaming musk]

Hell may as well take all three stam regen nodes

[brave loom]

Wonder if pyromaniac boosts bombs

[gleaming musk]

Id guess that it does