combat-and-skills

[summer vector]

what Gem are yall using for ranger?

[bronze hollow]

Hopeful Embers or Burning if I want damage.

[safe birch]

guys what the hell is this "+4 rested"?? is it really just 4 seconds of rested bonus? when i have 40 min?

[left wraith]

Welcome to Enshrouded

[brave pier]

That rested buff is comically low. Maybe it should be % increase

[supple eagle]

Lots of things add to it, but yeah like 45 seconds for the full suit is... what? Why???

[mossy igloo]

Maybe you never get to 0 🙂

[supple eagle]

You absolutely do 😄

I did in fact wear that chest briefly

[flat gust]

so, im using an ice wand against human enemies, thinking about switching to a shroud wand, what would be better?

turns out its super good, and good against hounds too

[fast mulch]

Does strength effect dagger damage as well?

thank you haha

what about the skill veteran? that increases crit chance on melee weapons? would that apply to daggers (or daggers aren't clasified as melee weapons) lol

[wild cypress]

Yes it helps daggers.

[half furnace]

yup that works on daggers. anything in the skilltree that says melee works for daggers. just not the strength stat

[fast mulch]

ty ty

[flat gust]

try to get some piercing poison daggers

[gleaming musk]

Especially because you can easily get 10+ minutes of Rested literally anywhere

Drop a torch, play a song lmao

[zinc token]

?

[fleet field]

It's a scammer. waiting for mods

[summer vector]

Skull stalker helmet seemed bugged, its applying its 25% skills shot damage all the time, not just skill shots

[gleaming musk]

Just noticed that the Gem of Corruption is bugged. Having it slotted on my Voidcaller is causing it to proc with any of my wands or spells

In other news, TIL that healing spells are so bad, the best healing spell in the game is Lightning Channel

[summer vector]

Common bug at the moment, all gems are funky

[gleaming musk]

I half-hoped it was intentional even though the UI didnt indicate that it would happen. Currently experimenting with having Gem of Bloodlust on my staple wand since I already generate health orbs often.

[summer vector]

If you socket and resocket another gem you can get both working the same time

If you change server and do it again you can end up with 4 gems working at once

[patent igloo]

What’s a decent CC build, I duo with a mage and want to run poison daggers and stun build. I see a point using unarmed strike to deal CC damage, I used to run jump hammer strike and then mace leech. Trying something new, any ideas?

[fleet field]

You can try building into parry stun, like Shockwave and Power Parry, and using gem of overpowering which should work well with the speed of daggers.

[patent igloo]

Gotcha, I haven’t played any of the new content, the gem release came out right after i finished all the content at the time, then out came wake of water and we are just getting back into it. So we’re running around with gear that’s outdated lol

[fleet field]

Dagger and bows work well together, so even if you don’t want to use bows that often it might be something to consider. Explosive arrow stun is very strong (but resource heavy).

[patent igloo]

Gotcha

[split wedge]

Climbing picks would be great, tired of trying to mine up and constantly having to stare at my ass as the pov is garbage.

[high hazel]

great idea

I liked the climbing system in conan exiles

[split wedge]

That or something like what Nightengale had with their climbing picks...anything really. I know some people use explosive arrows/grenades to tunnel faster but I think a stamina based climbing ability would be amazing expecially once you hit the NE area of the map.

[supple eagle]

Explosive arrows are expensive, unless abusing a resource server

Mining is slow, but works best overall especially in granite.

[gleaming musk]

😅 Bit of a long response, but it includes tips for both of you so you can synergize well:

The best CC is obtained by mages, and it's not even close. But archers do get some options and a bit of unique utility.

Ice Bolt comes out fast, hits hard and inflicts slow. Most slowed enemies are easily outpaced by player characters without even having to sprint. It's fantastic CC without requiring any specific build.

Multi-hit channeled spells like Lightning Channel, Bone Channel, and Shroud Beam Channel on a crit-focused staff build will trigger Terror (4sec stun every crit) and Bloodletting (50% chance 2 health/mana/stam orbs spawn every crit on each enemy) extremely often. Lightning Channel is also designed to do extra stamina damage, which pushes the stun bar even further. Attached screenshot is the outcome of me killing just 3 critters with a couple sec of Lightning Channel. Assuming your mage builds this way, make sure both of you get Good Metabolism from the Survivor tree (boosts Orb and potion recovery values). Honestly that whole side of the Survivor tree up to and including Sweet Tooth is good for every build.

For archery specifically, your best option is going to be Stun Arrows and Explosive Arrows. The Shell Shock skill from the Assassin tree allows your Explosive Arrows to stun. Plus, Explosive Arrows destroy terrain which means you can easily create sniping perches for both of you. To take advantage of this easier, both of you should take Double Jump from Survivor/Athlete and Updraft from Assassin/Trickster.

Beyond that, the Assassin tree gives you some Mana regen benefits, so you could keep a staff & ice Bolt charges on hand so you can apply slow. Your Intelligence doesnt factor into the slow status at all. You could then also keep some healing spells on hand since they dont scale with Intelligence anyway, and spell-healing between encounters would help lessen the strain on your potion supply.

[supple eagle]

Granite DNGAF about your explosive shenanigans 😄

[gleaming musk]

Technically there is one. Spamming Double Jump & Glide to trigger the forward roll from landing with a glider will force your character forward up even extremely steep slopes, and you get a chance to jump again before you slide back down. Almost anything with a slope that isnt an outright wall can be climbed this way. I use it to cheese my way up to the dragon.

[supple eagle]

You can plant an explosive barrel and shoot it with an Explosive Arrow III and get maybe 1m farther in

[supple eagle]

You can bunny hop this way up like 60 degree grades or so, yeah.

Lots of ways to, welll, find or make your own way to things 😄

[gleaming musk]

FWIW, Charcoal & Tar stack pretty high and both Metal Scraps & Plant Fiber are easy to come by when exploring. Carrying Charcoal & Tar with you on adventures near-eliminates the issue of bombs only stacking to 20

On that note, making flame altars not restore Frost buildup until some level threshold is a meaningless restriction, because you can just use the altar to teleport else where to recover, then teleport back.

[split wedge]

I use this method extensively already. My biggest gripe about all this stems from my constant need to explore everything, and the more remote or out of the way, the more curious I get. When I see large flat faces of mountains or strange formations that don't have any easy way to climb, I am forced to resort to chipping my way as straight up as possible to reach the top, or a spot I can resume the 2x jump/glide method.

I guess in my head I saw the potential for climbing tools, limited by a stamina drain. It was honestly more me complaining out loud than a suggestion. Popping out of a tunnel I've spent some time to get through, and seeing an area not easily reached still brings a smile to my face as they usually come with amazing views!

[gleaming musk]

Oh believe me I understand. If we had free-form climbing, that one perk that reduces climbing stam drain would actually be worthwhile

As it is I dont even climb climbable things, and instead just repeatedly double jump up them

[supple eagle]

Which works, but is so very not immersive

[split wedge]

yea the double jump up steep inclines works like a champ and usually cracks me up as all I hear in my head is:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TOvm_RMlkok

[supple eagle]

Especially given other mechanics in the game being a bit more grounded

[gleaming musk]

Yeah. If it were up to me, I'd add free form climbing, prevent double jump up walls, axe the rolling exploit, then make surfaces designed for climbing allow users to climb faster at far less stamina cost (basically wall roads)

[split wedge]

Well, here's hoping they look into improving the climbing aspect at some point then. Getting rid of the gimmick and adding legit climbing skills would be fantastic.

[gleaming musk]

Though preferably they'd only remove the gimmick after adding freeform climbing 😅

[misty sedge]

I think they could get away with adding a "climbing claws" item that you can find in the Albaneve Summits, since that'll probably be late midgame-early end game around 1.0. Give it the limitation of not being able to climb Ancient structures and some stamina drain that's maybe a bit more intense than climbing the iron grates and I think it'd be a good addition

[split wedge]

Mid to late game would be good, or perhaps quality tiers that allowed for harder climbs as the game progressed. There is just so much to explore, even on the EA map. I feel like "exploration" is a huge part of the interest (personal bias speaking) and the glider is great, if you get a good launch point but it's not the same as being on the ground hunting for interesting locations.

[misty sedge]

Glider and double jump are okay, but they're arcade-y. The common sentiment seems to be that we don't need an immersive climbing option because we "already have so many options available to explore" (those options are double jump+updraft spam/mine a path up the cliff/walk around)

I'm personally a single jump and walk around things kind of person, so I understand why people want climbing.

[split wedge]

Just my take, but I'd see the glider as ease of transportation (clearly gives way to some broad ability to explore) but true exploration involves getting down into the amazing details on the ground. As @gleaming musk pointed to earlier the double jump/glide method is kind of cheesing your way around so I wouldn't consider that a method necessarily created intentionally for exploration (I could be completely wrong about that), but a workaround discovered by players and "abused" to fill the gap. Just thinking out loud mainly, this isn't a deal breaker for me, just thought it would be an interesting addition that would provide an additional means of exploring spots that can't be reached without mining your way up.

maybe even add the ability to place the grappling points as you climb up, (not sure how that would work without having a flame alter zone) but could be a way for groups to climb together after the first one up completes the climb....probably overthinking this now ;p

[gleaming musk]

There's probably not any reason they couldn't introduce a piton-like grapple point that's placeable anywhere and resets when the environment does.

[split wedge]

I say all this as I absolutely love the terrain in this game. They've done an amazing job with each of the biomes and have found so many little hidden area's that are just...terrain, not even POI's that look truly fantastic.

[gleaming musk]

The flame altar buildable area mechanic is likely a design choice made to lighten the load on their engine and servers, since it means that meaningful alterations to the landscape are either strictly limited or temporary

[patent igloo]

Hmmm, so mage goes hard on CC and melee damage, is best with?

[split wedge]

Yea I noted the distance yesterday that our path through snow returns to normal...maybe a 50 foot or so distance from us, maybe just do something like that with a slightly larger distance so when you get far enough away it disappears.

[patent igloo]

So I like the taunt grabbing enemies attention away from mage but I also would like to do some damage

[fleet field]

I'd love this as a late-game skill, maybe as part of Trickster development. Just thinking late game so there's less of a chance of using it to cheese the early-mid boss fights.

[patent igloo]

So I’m thinking of doing like a hybrid build, kinda like an aura build, fire aura when I’m close then use daggers would that be viable?

I think setting mage up as a CC would be better then I’ll switch to damage

I’m guessing dagger is highest in that regard?

Just trying do find alternatives to using double jump hammer slam combo

[dusky glen]

The Fire Aura only hurts fell and the amount of damage it does is.. honestly not worth the skill investment, also the "effective range" appears to be broken and massively inconsistent, only thing ive found it good for in a very limited capacity is knocking flying fell bugs out the air and thats pretty much it, it doesnt appear to trigger any other mage/battlewizard etc etc effects and dumping points in to more fire damage didn't make the point investment worth it either, if you find a way to make it work though let me know

[patent igloo]

Interesting take thanks for this information

Might have to home brew some build then

[gleaming musk]

Radiant/Sun Aura is a waste of 5 Skill Points, and the nodes they unlock are superfluous in any build. The damage is almost non-existent even with high Intelligence and it only works on Fell enemies, so basically it exists only to help you clean up Critters. Problem is, killing Critters with Lightning Channel + Mage Crit Chance Build + Terror + Bloodletting + Good Metabolism is way more valuable since it very quickly creates a field of HP/MP/SP restoration ready for whenever someone needs it.

Water Aura used to be very powerful, but these days is only useful as a top-up between encounters, and even then only if you have high Intelligence. Meanwhile using Heal Channel between encounters takes absolutely no skill point investment whatsoever.

Earth Aura is somewhat worth it for the extra survivability, but even then it's mostly propped up by the nodes leading up to it also contributing to survivability. Taking it and most of the nodes leading up to it is useful on any build.

[patent igloo]

Was curious if someone had found something

[gleaming musk]

Broadly-speaking, Enshrouded does not support cross-archetype hybridization well, while also giving you enough skill points to where you can pretty easily max out your archetype and still take key skills in a couple of other trees.

[patent igloo]

Gotcha

[patent igloo]

Then what’s a good match a mage if this type?

So im usually the one taking the aggro

[gleaming musk]

Yes. Daggers are the only melee weapon that scale off of Dexterity, so using them will not dilute your archery investment. They also qualify as melee weapons, and perks/food that boost that will also affect them. Though, for food items Dagger Damage shows up alongside Bow Damage.

[wild cypress]

Champion advice here, heed it well. Signed - daggers for life Keli.

[patent igloo]

Word, what’s good gear to go with daggers?

[gleaming musk]

Same gear as bows, broadly speaking

[wild cypress]

Hit up the wiki and check out armors. :) I was basing my gathering around what armors were coming up and it compressed a lot of effort for me.

[gleaming musk]

If you want to be the one taking aggro, then take a look at the Tank tree. Specifically the (Arch) Nemesis skills. Athlete and Battlemage also have some options for improving shieldplay and survivability, but shields and daggers are incompatible.

Taking Blink and then Emergency Blink from the Battlemage/Healer tree border allows you to instantly cure Stun on yourself at-will. You'll find that you get stunned much more often at higher tiers of play, so by then Emergency Blink is often a lifesaver. Be aware that despite how it looks, Blink does not offer I-frames, same as regular dodge roll. It also makes noise if you're inclined to stealth, unlike regular dodge roll.

[gleaming musk]

Realistically, though, anyone who takes aggro off of the mage will help them tremendously. Giving them perches to fire spells from using Explosive Arrows will also help them a lot.

@patent igloo you can also help the mage by dipping into Healer a tad so you can both be healing each other with spells. Healing is weird atm and doesn't scale off of anything but gear and perks, but spells are generally good enough to heal with no/minimal investment

Essentially if your mage buddy doesn't have to worry about healing you, they'll have more time to find a perch and blast away. Even better if you can heal them when they're in a tight spot too. Healing yourself with spells is weird and inconsistent atm

[flat gust]

@patent igloo i only wanna add, try ro get some piercing poison daggers, so u get the best of your skill points

[cerulean tartan]

i was playing as dagger/melee build and destroying shroud enemies until i met the flying banshee thing....i wish devs would add a gem or something that lets melee weapons shoot projectiles lol

[wild cypress]

Yeah but the perk to pull flying enemies to you is fun, if you don't wanna just use a bow/wand/staff. It feels soooo good haha.

[cerulean tartan]

it never works for me, i have both skills and i lock onto an enemy but not sure how to activate it

[flat gust]

its e

[wild cypress]

Same way you activate grappling hook, E in my case.

[cerulean tartan]

hmm im gonna try it. does it work all enemies or just specific ones?

[wild cypress]

On Banshees, Sicklescythes, bats and the big birds it works.

I ultumately found arrows easier since I already had points in Dex and could free up the points I spent on the GETOVERHERE perks, but again, they are very fun so choose what makes you smile.

I got Kick just for smiles. XD

[upbeat obsidian]

I need to start trying the lock onto enemies thing. What exactly does it do? Keep you facing the enemy and keeps it in melee range?

[flat gust]

on sicklescythes its really good, puts u in a sef spot aginst the boomerang spam of death

[cerulean tartan]

i think its just keeps u just facing the enemy, but sometimes with multiple enemies it hard to swith between them

[cerulean tartan]

wowwww thats just hit me lol

[upbeat obsidian]

Sounds kind of limiting. I tend to jump and run all over the place when meleeing

[cerulean tartan]

yeah tbh both have their own pros and cons

[wild cypress]

Yes, very helpfu for 1v1s so you can get backstabs and be out of most attack ranges. Dodge roll (or Blink) and win.

I don't use it in big group fights but 1v1 it's a delight.

[upbeat obsidian]

had a couple 2H weapons drop last night, may have to try them out rather than sword/board this eve

[patent igloo]

Thanks for all the tips!!!!

[fleet field]

Some players even use both and switch in combat

[flat gust]

most skills overlap anyway

[prime island]

This is me, I use two handed axes and greatswords for crowd control and then after thinning out the herd I run sword and board for precision Parries and strikes

[gleaming musk]

Keeps your camera focused on the target, and prevents you from needing to manually aim. Certain attacks also behave differently when you lock on.

Bone Channel, for example, goes from being a shotgun to arcing all of the bones towards your locked-on target letting you get some pretty crazy single-target DPS even at mid range

[supple eagle]

Lock on generally just happens, too. Aim towards bad guy and it should switch focus automagically

But that will sometimes decide to focus on a nearby tree...

[twilit carbon]

Anyone else having trouble with the dragon boss? Im a melee character with some bow skills. The fight is completely unfair and way too fast paced. I watched videos about how to do it and everyone seems to cheese the fight by mining a hole outside the ring and spamming arrows/magic. Has anyone beaten this boss legit? Tips would be appreciated!

[fleet field]

The boss fight is difficult for most players, so you're not alone. For a while it was the last boss in the game. But... it's also very beatable without cheese.

If you want to beat it legit, place a flame altar near the arena, if you haven't already, so that it's easy to retry the fight. You should be able to put one down right across the gap from it. Don't worry about dying, just focus on learning the patterns through practice.

The basic strat for melee with arrows is

• Bring a stack of stun arrows
• When it does the fireball twirl, parry the fireballs back at it. This is the most effective at building stun, the arrows just help a little
• When it does the flame breath, it'll be rotating the breath around. Don't try and outrun it. Glide to the other side of the arena behind the rotation.
• If you do get on fire, dodge roll to stop burning
• When you have filled the stun meter, the dragon will land. Get in as much damage as possible
• Overall - When it's flying, worry more about avoiding damage from the dragon than getting an extra arrow hit. The dragon is most vulnerable to damage after it lands. This is why players that try to just hit it with normal arrows while cheesing usually still go through several stacks of arrows.

[mossy igloo]

I hate the dragon fight. Unfortunately my biggest problem with that fight is when I am trying to avoid that dragon breath I fly or blink right off the side into deadly shroud and die. Hate that arena. All the other boss fight at least I have some space. Basically I suck at certain fight and I have to own up to that.

[charred hedge]

Yeah I've never done it legit - always had a cheese cave with ranged. I'm kinda dreading it for my melee character - it feels so wrong to me to respec just for one battle - ruins the character!

[finite birch]

The first time we did it it took 3 of us several attempts... then my BIL went back and soloed it the next day lol

[flat gust]

what u people use as gem on a shock weapon? already got corruption on shroud weapon and burning on fire weapon

[left wraith]

[[Gems]]

[versed salmon]

https://enshrouded.wiki.gg/wiki/Gems

[left wraith]

You have two choices, Gem of Currents is unobtainable until Veilwater Basin and you need to be wet or soaked to proc it. This one actually increases raw shock damage. Otherwise you have Gem of Storm's Eye that will chain to enemies marked. It's thematically "electric".

Make your own opinions, but they're all fairly worthless.

[flat gust]

i fished a lvl 50 currents and was very dissapointed by it

[left wraith]

It was better when it was bugged, you didn't have to be wet/soaked to activate it

[celest cedar]

are there any good gems for bow other than fire and shroud time?

[left wraith]

thats an oxymoron

[celest cedar]

cause there are no good gems? or cause you don't think mine are good?

[left wraith]

Majority of the gems are kind of meh, I'd honestly just grab the piercing one and be done with it

[celest cedar]

fire is better than piercing though

[flat gust]

battle mania is pgood if u using magic arrows or any mana at all, im just avoiding it for now

[left wraith]

you have to keep elixir up and thats dumb

[celest cedar]

any idea where to get a gem of aerobatics?

[left wraith]

veilwater basin or using frogs as bait

[flat gust]

i just planned my adventures on elixir duration, still had a backup weapon that didnt have battle mania

idk, its just pgood compared to most other gems

[vast olive]

tbh they should go back to it. Gems should enable niche builds. Even if it had a 2s cooldown/whatever. It would've been cool. Mage still blows everything up no matter what.

Beyond that, I'd kill for some legit water spells.

[left wraith]

We have water spells

Hands over the miraculous Wizard spell [[Water Balloon]]

[versed salmon]

https://enshrouded.wiki.gg/wiki/Water_Balloon

[waxen bear]

Yall think theyll add int based melee? Id love to do a paladin build with water aura. If ots already possible how would I go about it?

[fleet field]

There are enough points to make a melee with water aura already.

[left wraith]

You can go into the magic tree to pickup any of the elemental damage skills. They work with all weapons now not just magic ones. But, no I do not see there ever being weapons that don't scale with Strength or Melee Damage. That's asking far too much of the small team and the time consumption they're already putting in to fix the atrocious combat system.

[waxen bear]

Ohhh I didnt consider the elemental dmg buff skills. Ok thank you for point out the melee potential.

[waxen bear]

Cool i was t sure, im relatively new.

[fleet field]

np 🙂 There are a lot of skill points which lets you multiclass

[keen mountain]

Burning because it’s one of the best gems for dmg

[summer vector]

Gems are totally busted, on a friends server i had all unique gems in my bag, they all worked when i shot my bow lol - 23 gems bonuses at once lolol

[sullen crater]

How exactly? A bug?

[summer vector]

yeah random bug - i was moving my gems from one wold to another - in my world all gems are active at once

[dense spear]

I need to spec back into water aura now that I'm building

I fall alot

[scarlet comet]

does is mean my ranges crit chance is 20%?

[mild charm]

Hello. Are wands and staves the only weapons considered "magic" for this skill?

Thanks Tuxedo Cat

I have enough points for either Tower or Warden. Which are you taking?

[fleet field]

Hmm... Depends on which you are having more trouble with in the game right now. For me I would take Tower first because melee is usually the enemies that get close and surround you. But you might want to get both when you can.

[mild charm]

I'll give that one a go for now and respec after a bit to see which works best for my gear/playstyle

[wild cypress]

You're just 1 Elixir Well away from being able to afford both :)

[mild charm]

Truth

[swift swift]

Yea, I only gotten it to spawn when using staff or wand attacks for killing blow. The minion's level will be scaled to your level

enemies can target it though and only 1 can be spawned at a time

I have not tried spawning one with the item or gem yet to see if it allows multiples

something for me to do real quick and report back

[inland bridge]

I believe the Skull companions used to be wisp at one point? I liked the wisp much better! haha

[swift swift]

Okay the item to summon a skull ally (from hallowed halls consumable) does in fact stack with the one from skill tree

u can have both out

ill try gem one later too since i dont got it inserted yet

[sullen crater]

It's not only 1.

I get 2-3 regularly.

[sullen crater]

Hmm, I didn't know that. It would be nice if you had different cosmetic options for them!

(the ones from skull summoning vessels could, of course, stay only skulls)

[swift swift]

just got my 2nd skull from killing with magical weapon

i didn't realize it was possible until i nuked lot of bugs

since bugs spawned in huge numbers

😄 my bad for bad info

[left wraith]

You can also craft the items to summon your own on demand btw

[sullen crater]

Yup, bugs are great for it!

Spiders aren't bad, either.

[sullen crater]

But the item ones are tied to item lvl, IIRC.

Still useful, of course.

[left wraith]

You'd be surprised how useful 20 skulls are despite being lower level

[sullen crater]

Absolutely true!

[scarlet comet]

guys, how is crit dmg chance calculated? if my crit chance is 10% and + ranged is 10% does it mean overall my crit chance for bow is 20%?

[fleet field]

I think Critical Chance is the base chance, and then you may have an additional crit chance for a specific damage type

This is on my 2h melee character, and with Relentless (+10%) I definitely crit more than half the time, which would match with a total crit chance at 58%

[scarlet comet]

how did you get base crit chance to +20?

[left wraith]

Skills, Weapons, and Armor ..

[fleet field]

• 5% Starting
• 5% Ranger Skill
• 10% Weapon (Guard of the North)

[left wraith]

Addendum to that only helmets give critical strike chance

You can go to [[Armor]] and type "Critical Strike Chance" in the search bar and select any of the slots and see (:

[versed salmon]

https://enshrouded.wiki.gg/wiki/Armor

[thorny pewter]

is wizard staff build more fun than it may seem? I know fun is subjective. But figure if anyone else had that doubt then tried it then they may be able to speak to it

[fleet field]

Mid-later game staff gets pretty great imho, especially if you build into aoe spells and crit with the Terror skill, which can mostly stun lock entire groups from far away

[thorny pewter]

Hmmm, ok i can see that still be quite fun and enjoyable

I've def just been liking how engaging and variety of animations we've gotten from GS melee build

kick, evade attack, crashing slam, attack chains, whirlwind attack, grappling enemies etc.

I do wonder if a melee/magic build would be viable and if so what best melee weappon to do it with. along with armor 🤔

[fleet field]

Oh! So I have a few characters. I have a 1h and 2h melee and both have taken magic as the secondary option for ranged damage.

Magic/Melee has a few skills that multiclass well, like Life Essences, Water Aura, and Blink Attack/Emergency Blink

[thorny pewter]

Oh? Ok ok ok, I like where this is going

Did it felt fluid ? Or kind of clunky? Would you happen to have any links to the builds?

I would love to attempt them

[fleet field]

There are probably a lot of variations but this is my 2h melee/magic build
https://enshrouded-skill-tree.com/?shortCode=6992a6329f5ad224d4d6fa99

For gear I use

• 2x ring of the ancients
• Sunpiercer Helmet and Chest
• Greatsword Gauntlets
• Golden Bulwark pants
• Waveborne Ritualist Boots
• Crystalwater Staff with Eternal Fireball II
• Main weapon Guard of the North greatsword

[thorny pewter]

awesome, thank you!

enough to get the brain shmovin

i wonder if daggers could work well with this

given the mobility you would get already

[flat gust]

the light burst spell is great fro farming critters too

it doesnt damage the nests

[lament shard]

You could do that, or you could Chain Lightning!

[gleaming musk]

@flat gust @lament shard Ice Bolt does heavier damage (plus slow) and also doesn't damage the environment fwiw

[gleaming musk]

I'm currently working on a comprehensive guide covering this, but the TL;DR: is that yes it is, but also you dont have to specialize in staves. You should instead be speccing for both wand and staff, as they have a lot of skill overlap and play into each other very well.

[flat gust]

thats why im using specifically against bugs. Pushback, almost instant cast, low mana cost. Useful against kamikaze bugs too

[gleaming musk]

The problem with Light Burst is it does absolutely garbage damage and also doesn't fill the stun gauge nearly as much as it should. In later tiers you need like 2-3 Light Burst casts to kill bugs. Ice Bolt just one shots them and leaves a lingering slow field for any you missed, plus it casts nearly as quickly.

[flat gust]

im gonna keep using it because it has worked for me, You do you.

[gleaming musk]

No need to get defensive. I'm not saying its bad, just pointing out an alternative. Best part of playing mage is you have several tools at your disposal. I also use Light Burst from time to time due to its larger AoE.

[flat gust]

not defensive, but i already gave my reasons and u keep debating it. If u prefer ice bolt for bugs so be it.

[gleaming musk]

I'm not trying to debate anything. I even clearly stated that I also use Light Burst. It is entirely possible to both acknowledge something's utility while also having criticisms against it.

[misty sedge]

I'm not saying Light Burst is bad, but the damage is trash and it doesn't fill the stun bar

[drifting coral]

I think we can agree that magic in general is in a rough spot

[flat gust]

im having a great time honestly, but i have been oneshotted several times XD

[left wraith]

It’s a level 17 spell lol.. of course it’s not going to do much damage especially as a utility spell. You’ll probably want something like a second level of it.

[left wraith]

I don’t think many will agree, it’s incredibly powerful and has sustain

[flat gust]

im focusing on wands this time, have to admit i understimated the power of a shroud wand

[drifting coral]

Is that no-damage bug still around? That procs so much for me that I can't even use spells

[misty sedge]

I don't care. I don't use magic so I don't have a point of reference. I just think it's silly to say something isn't bad and then basically rag on everything about it.

Light Burst is bad and it does need a second level.

It's Begone! with AoE

[gleaming musk]

Ostensibly, Light Burst is meant as a utility spell. That statement was concerning how it not only does poor damage (as expected for a utility spell) but it also fails to carve out the niche it's meant for. It still has its uses, but these aspects make the spell extremely situational.

[flat gust]

i stated the situation where it was useful right at the beginning. It also stuns bugs instantly.

and if later it doesnt, it will in 2 casts

[misty sedge]

Light Burst is literally only meant to be used as a "get away from me"

[gleaming musk]

Even when you first get Light Burst, it fails to deliver on its promised niche. The large AoE + pushback happens to make it still handy for cleaning extremely weak mobs, but that's about all.

[gleaming musk]

Yes, I am aware of that. Outside of bugs or enemies way lower level than you, it doesn't do that. That's precisely what I was saying.

[misty sedge]

It does tho. Does it actually physically not push higher level enemies away?

[gleaming musk]

It does, but they recover the ground in the time it takes for you to finish the casting animation.

[flat gust]

you started to talk abou that by yourself. I stated where it was useful, against critters. Pushes them back and stuns them.

[gleaming musk]

Ok, and?

[misty sedge]

To be fair, this is a common complaint I see with Mage.

[flat gust]

you created a debate abou the spell, and then denied you did. Thats why i stopped tresponding.

[gleaming musk]

I made a comment to continue discussion about an underwhelming skill in an EA game, in the Discord channel dedicated to discussing skills and combat for said game. Sue me.

[misty sedge]

I am surprised there's isn't a Light Burst II with higher knock back but I guess it could get tough to balance higher knock back with more powerful enemies (how to make sure you can't clear an island of level 55 ancients because Light Burst III sends enemies from Revelwood to Albaneve)

[misty sedge]

Nah you right, I woke up and read it wrong and my namesake took over. My bad

[gleaming musk]

I mean, Eternal Light Burst is higher tier, but both have the same issue tbh. They knock enemies back the same amount and do low damage (which is fine tbc), and bump up the Stun meter. Problem is neither of them are really any better at inflicting Stun than spells that actually do appreciable damage

[misty sedge]

I find most things that brag about filling the stun meter are exaggerating at best and borderline lying at worst

[flat gust]

this "discussion" is absurd

[gleaming musk]

Right now its best use cases are to clean up weak mobs that are annoying you when you go to lower level areas for resources, and farming bugs.

Its large AoE is also usable for proccing Terror or Bloodletting if you're surrounded. That said, if you want Terror/Bloodletting in most cases you're better off Double Jump + Updraft gliding away and then filtering enemies through an Ice Bolt cloud, then using Lightning Channel.

[gleaming musk]

Nobody is forcing you to stick around. Discussions like this are important for generating combat balance feedback.

[thorny pewter]

[flat gust]

this is hilarious. All i did was state where the spell was useful and u created this whole imaginary discussion.

[thorny pewter]

You know what I find quite amusing to use

Aside from a spoon

Begone!

Something about the good ol glowy hands

[gleaming musk]

https://www.improveyoursocialskills.com/conversation/conversation-flow

[gleaming musk]

Ah yes, "Begone!" aka "Jumpscare While Planting Crops"

[flat gust]

@gleaming muskhilarious

begone stuns the thunderbrutes, that was a nice surprise

[misty sedge]

Begone! stuns almost everything

[wild cypress]

Even players, apparently.

[gleaming musk]

OP

[misty sedge]

I mean I can't state enough how much I. Love. Begone!

[thorny pewter]

I wish i could figure out a better way to use it aside from empty slot

bc everything auto adds

T_T

[gleaming musk]

I do wish we had draw/stow mechanics though, so Begone! would easier to combo into things and not require a hotbar slot

[misty sedge]

Lockpicks also work, I ran out tho

[thorny pewter]

ohh good idea

[gleaming musk]

Materials, money, lockpicks, etc

[thorny pewter]

HMM

its not working for me

[misty sedge]

Same, I wanted this before we got water

I could have sworn lockpicks worked ..

[flat gust]

the saw

for the table

that works

[misty sedge]

Oh I guess I keep lockpicks in slot 6 and leave 4 and 5 free

[flat gust]

unless they patched it since i tried

[gleaming musk]

I haven't used Begone! much recently myself, cause of the hotbar requirement. Too many wands

Still experimenting with using Water Balloons, but its a bit annoying how unreliable they are for inflicting Soaked. I may shelve them and just rely on the gem for that instead, which would give me a slot for Begone again

[misty sedge]

I like being able to swap weapons while dodge rolling or blinking. Enshrouded's combat has some nice quirks for as much as the broader player base complaints about it

I mean as you can see, I am very down to earth when it comes to carrying weapons lol

One 1H, one GS, a bow in the equip slot

[gleaming musk]

Lol

[misty sedge]

No repair kits, if they break, I die or scavenge

[gleaming musk]

Harder to get away with that when using wands tbh, due to how much elemental defenses vary

[misty sedge]

The concept of throwing water balloons at enemies in combat just doesn't sit right with me

[gleaming musk]

Most things are neutral vs lightning so thats about as close as you can get

[gleaming musk]

I mean I wanted to originally use the hand pump but it's even less reliable and you burn through water way faster 🙃

So I was trying out using Water Balloons for application and keeping a hand pump in my alt bar so I can craft more in the field

[wild cypress]

I figured water balloons were always the intended mechanic.

[gleaming musk]

I'd guess so. Problem is that they don't directly apply soaked. They instead place water blocks which can then potentially apply Soaked if the target is submerged enough

This level of indirection makes it heavily dependent on the landscape. Even in ideal conditions a player-sized creature needs two consecutive balloons to reliably become Soaked. Flying creatures are effectively immune

[thorny pewter]

Definitely magic feels way more satisfying than I would have expected lol

I 100% want to make a spellsword though. After seeing the spellbreaker set, think it's possible.

also, weapon transmog when 😭

[wild cypress]

So just Kick them into water, got it lol

[gleaming musk]

There are definitely mechanics & skills for that, but I'd guess that the split stat focus would be felt at higher levels.

You could potentially dip magic for pure utility without splitting your stat focus, though. Healing spells dont scale with any stats. There are also secondary spell effects you could focus on, like Ice Bolt's slow and lightning spells' Stun emphasis, which dont scale off of Int as far as I know.

[thorny pewter]

Eh, this games encounters are really easy (well for me, i know thats subjective) - so it seems like a game that you can utilize more fun than min-max

Which I thoroughly am enjoying

It absolutely would be felt though. Makes it more challenging possibly though, which means more fun

[safe minnow]

are rolls on weapons static or random?

[thorny pewter]

I could be wrong, but if they're the same level, it feels static. Noticed that last night with the weapons i got from hollow halls

[thorny pewter]

I have to see what the "core" 1h sword skill nodes are and then be able to go from there. But some things will have to go away to make it work I'm sure.

The hard part for me i think will be the armor

[gleaming musk]

My impression is that they're only partially random. There seem to be a few variants of each weapon type, with each variant having different upgrade perks. Which variant you get is what's random

From what I've seen, weapon traits (e.g. Multishot and Ethereal Duplication on wands) seem to be static for each weapon type

[gleaming musk]

Even as a pure mage I dont use mage pants, so there's at least that. Mage shoes are also generally underwhelming, except for the Healer ones.

And honestly if my chestpiece didnt give + Wand Damage, I'd swap that out for a melee set like I did my pants

[thorny pewter]

True true ture

[flat gust]

i use pants with sprint speed

[gleaming musk]

I'm still weighing that vs more HP and Stam recovery, myself.

[cerulean tartan]

Are there are melee weapons or bows that counts as a magic weapon? (ie: to proc some of the skills on the mage tree like mass destruction)

[gleaming musk]

Just wands.

[flat gust]

yeah i was running hp regen for a while too. But lately water aura has done the job for me. Running out of stamina doesnt happen often but has gotten me killed, against Scycklescythes

[teal hound]

what about minor/major arcana 1h swords?

[gleaming musk]

@cerulean tartan skill proccing doesn't care about how much damage your attacks do btw, so you'll want to emphasize multishot wands if you're worried about skill proccing

[gleaming musk]

As far as I know, they do not

[flat gust]

counting for both melee and magic perks would be too op. Only elemental dmage perks do afaik

[gleaming musk]

Ah, I mean MaxHP, not HP Regen. Healing has never been an issue for me, between Bloodletting, Heal Channel, Good Metabolism, and now Gem of Bloodlust. I completely avoid Water Aura, personally.

[flat gust]

yeah i could get rid of it now that i can craft eternal heals. Ill look if i lose int points by doing that

just got. 2x precise lightning wand, super happy about it

[gleaming musk]

Won't lose Int, but it is one of the paths to get Shroud Filter which is pretty mandatory IMO. Way too good to pass up.

Thing is you can reach Shroud Filter through the Battlemage tree too by taking Wand Master (excellent imo), Eternal Spark (okay imo, mostly convenience), and Shroud Resistance (not great but still better than Water Aura imo).

[flat gust]

remind me what shroud filter does

oh just checked yeah that one is pgood

[gleaming musk]

Every time you hit an enemy with a magic weapon, there's a 15% chance to restore 30 seconds of shroud timer to you and allies within 20 meters of you.

It works even if you do no damage, and each wand orb has a chance of proccing it. Assuming you're fighting with mainly magic, it makes you and allies near immune to the shroud.

[thorny pewter]

ok so like

sicklescythe

just homing boomerangs that you cant avoid? what? Lol

that was a fun one, but also, i dont get that

[flat gust]

try to get beneath it

[gleaming musk]

Boomerangs can be blocked with a shield/ward

[thorny pewter]

ahhh

[flat gust]

u ever got the double pack

[thorny pewter]

yeah, i didnt think about...too much dps brain

[flat gust]

its 12 boomerangs

[thorny pewter]

just kill lmfao

yeah, that sounds exciting

[gleaming musk]

You can also burst them down pretty quickly using Bone Channel

[flat gust]

eternal bone channel when?

[wild cypress]

Phrasing. 😸

[thorny pewter]

Bro, of course when i switch to wizard...i get a cool looking legendary greatsword

when ive been playing GS for like 20 levels lmfao

[wild cypress]

I really wish you could use Blink from mid-jump. :>

[gleaming musk]

That and Blink letting you travel through other creatures

[wild cypress]

Would be OP but rad lol

[gleaming musk]

Honestly I doubt it would be that OP. It's not like it has i-frames, so blinking through an enemy risks getting hit. Would just help prevent getting pinned to the environment, and make NPCs at your base less of a nuisance

Well, having both could be. But that's more cause Midair blink would break the level design like Double Jump does

[misty sedge]

You can parry those with a shield as well. Not only block.

Parrying them will send them back at the sicklescythe

[coral juniper]

The blades are easy to avoid too if you are directly beneath it. The problem is the skull, it can't be blocked bc you take the splash damage regardless

and it hits hard

[flat gust]

this is when i learn i have never parried one of those successfuly

[cerulean tartan]

does ice damage increase also affect eternal arrow spell?

[upper oxide]

If its a characterwide buff yes

[gleaming musk]

I believe it does, though that arrow type isnt considered a spell. To my knowledge all of the +DmgType perks affect all weapons using that damage type

[upper oxide]

The eternal arrow isnt a spell. Its an eternal arrow

[cerulean tartan]

in regards to the ice damage skills in the mage tree

[upper oxide]

Yes

[cerulean tartan]

ah ok

ty ty

[upper oxide]

If it says do more ice damage and doesnt specify weapon type then you get the +ice

[thorny pewter]

Does anything worded "magical weapon damage" also included elemental/magic damage on melee weapons?

I would assume so, based off that wording. But wanted to be sure. I can always test it to be 100% if nobody confidently knows.

[still pumice]

My assumption is “magical weapon” = wands and staves

[flat gust]

maybe u can test it with a training doll

[thorny pewter]

https://enshrouded-skill-tree.com/?shortCode=6993601f2f74976783dfb38b

This is kind of where my thought process without testing has brought me for spellsword

This feels like it would be quite fun in group play actually (which is normally what i do, I play with a bunch of dirty bow users 🤣 )

[thorny pewter]

Yeah, I can do that soon.

Definitely curious.

I almost feel like I want to take this a GS route though funny enough lol

Need to free up 6 points for a GS version that's 184/184

🤔

Grappling to large enemies would be it but dang, that is fun to do

I think that's the play though. Can't have it all

Just updated it, if anyone would like to check it out. Yeah, I think this would be really fun. I'm def going to test this

[gleaming musk]

Last I checked, it exclusively means wands and staffs.

[thorny pewter]

https://enshrouded-skill-tree.com/?shortCode=69936574b828a38b5fbf84f3

Here's the updated if anyones curious

[gleaming musk]

I'll probably take a look once I'm done at the gym

[upper oxide]

Only wands and staffs fall into the category of magical weapon. Melee weapons and bows are not magical even if they do some magic damage

[thorny pewter]

this luck lol

i switch wizard for today and have gotten 2 legendary GS's, 1 awesome 2h axe, and 2 awesome 2h maces

[flat gust]

for me, good 1h swords are a myth

[misty sedge]

When GS came out I realized I absolutely loved it and then it took me over a week to find a decent legendary one lol

[ornate harness]

Is there a good site besides Hacktheminotaur with solid builds? His builds are great solo, but I want to see if anyone has something different for group synergies. I.E. a rogue build without sneak attack

[fleet field]

Sometimes I wonder how much Hacktheminotaur has played the builds in the guides. Seem like a lot of odd choices to me.

[fleet field]

You don't really need sneak attack for groups, you should totally experiment with stuff without it! There are dagger stun and explosive stun builds and (almost) infinite ice arrow builds.

[ornate harness]

exactly

[thorny pewter]

Honestly, they're pretty good builds from my experience. You just need to alter the choices based on the situation

For example - I play with my wife and my other friend. Who are both playing ranger builds.

I'm playing wizard now. So theres no reason for them to have water aura... at all

Instead, Recommended they take the beastmaster route to get more dagger damage for when they might be in a melee situation.

But it's a great foundation to build off.

[cerulean summit]

I play with a friend and his wife and went the Beastmaster ranged direction. Daggers are single target e.g. very frontal without any cleaving benefit against multiple targets. That is the downside of daggers and the fact that none of the red strength skill nodes helps daggers since their not considered a melee weapon. However, Beastmaster, is amazing: You can roam the countryside with only a worry about Fell and Scavengers. Plus, IF you approach hostile wild animals before your group, they'll target you but the Beastmaster skills deaggro them and can help your friends move past them without a hitch or fight.

[thorny pewter]

For sure. That's what makes it such a strong choice in this situation for group play. When you have an AOE wizard monster mixed with 2 bow users. That single target damage as a last resort plays very nicely.

not to mention daggers & bows scaling with Dex now. Already taking it for bows, so its just a double whammy now.

[gleaming musk]

Looks pretty solid! I'm a bit surprised you didn't take Warden, Absorb, Snap, or Soul Leech in the Tank tree. I don't have personal experience with the latter 3, but it seems like they'd be natural fits for this build.

If you want some more SP, I'd consider dropping Water Aura / Waters of Life cause Heal Channel can easily provide HP sustain between encounters. Likewise, (Arch) Nemesis seems an odd choice since you're going 2h melee + staff. Those seem like the weakest links in the build to me

[thorny pewter]

It's mainly subjective and built around what the purpose is. As well as being tailored to the game.

So the reason for Water aura, is I'm not going to be using heal channel, because it's a spellblade less of a paladin. Battle Leech, Life Leech rings, and Water Aura will be a substantial bit to be able to compensate that. The staff is primarily there to deal that big burst ranged damage, where the melee comes in when the front collides.

I wanted the Arch Nemesis because the melee in this game run like absolute crackhead berserkers with the flash suit on. And it can become difficult to chase them down. So this allows me to help the group out to at least bring them towards me in those situations. The melee portion can shine here now.

Those skills you were surprised at I was definitely between. And want to test them out. Depends how this current build ends up.

I'm itching to start testing it, but I think need to be at least around like 130-140 points before I can truly do so.

I tried now around like 105-110 and realized it's just split right now. Kind of the con when doing more multi-class builds because you usually need to have enough resource to make it substantial at a minimum.

[dense cliff]

Anyone else having issues with spells not reliably hitting enemies?
I've tried using bone channel for quite a while now, but most of the time it just doesn't do any damage.

[wild cypress]

Only issues I'm having lately are my character drinking water when I don't want them to, or not being able to climb a ladder sometimes.

[left wraith]

stay hydrated

[gleaming musk]

Bone Channel has always had strange targeting mechanics. If it identifies a target, the projectiles will home in on that target. Otherwise they'll just spray in a cone. You can use the spell with free-aiming, but you'll have far more reliable results if you lock on to the target you want before casting

Only other spell atm with unreliable targeting mechanics atm is Heal Channel. Chain Lightning and Lightning Channel technically work as advertised, but their cast range and jump radius are way smaller than you'd probably expect given that their "sibling" spells are Fireball and Ice Bolt.

[knotty bridge]

Hey friends, I'm new here and new to the game. Forgive me if this has been asked a million times before. I'm interested in doing some kind of hybrid build? I love using the bow to cheese enemies from a mile away, but I also love the wand's aiming capability in closer situations. I know you can target enemies with the bow, but I have some trouble with it and the wand connects more reliably. Anyway, lots of ganes have "battlemage" style str/int hybrids. Does this game have a viable dex/int hybrid?

[winged frigate]

Yeah - combat is easy and there are plenty of skill points so go for it

[dense cliff]

Targetting isn't the issue I'm having. What happens for me that a couple projectiles hit the enemy but they don't do any damage. And this is pretty random too, sometimes it works just fine, and the other time 10 of these hit but the game doesn't register that hit. I even hit enemies who were in front of me directly in their face and it didn't do anything, so its not like they hit their max range.

[clear grail]

Man, I feel like Kick needs to be readjusted into a tank or warrior talent instead of a assassin talent, I want to use it but more times then not, begone seems to be better and more spammable, this feels like it would be better with a tank with a shield during group play, just needs to scale off constitution or strength instead of dexerity and maybe have it deal aoe damage in front of you instead of single target damage, just so you can get enemies to back off of you better and create better crowd control scenarios.

[gleaming musk]

Ah! Yeah I think I've had that happen but it was with a specific enemy type and specifically with Bone Channel. Can't remember which enemy though. It was like they had a shield up blocking their chest/head area from the front despite not having a shield. Swapping to an AoE spell caused the hits to register reliably

[gleaming musk]

FWIW, if what you like about bows is just that you can snipe with them, staves can do that too and would prevent the need for a hybrid build. Staves also have more utility than bows.

[dense cliff]

Yeah AoE spells work fine. I think the last update was supposed to fix magic spells, since Fire and Ice Bolt had the issue before that hits would not register. The same is happening with Bone Channel and instead of a specific enemy its on basically everything. I tried against Spitting Plants, Fell, Wolves, Boars, I tried hitting them in their backs but even this doesn't work.
Its a bit sad, that this spell works so unreliably rn, since I made 1000 Bone Channels to have some fun. Only 638 are left now and I killed only about 9 enemies with that.

[gleaming musk]

I've definitely used more than that and havent had nearly as much trouble with hit registration. What's your ping to the server you play on? Maybe thats a factor

[main needle]

is it just me or shouldn't bows have some kind of "power shot" where you hold the draw button for a few seconds before releasing an arrow?

[fleet field]

Gem of Focused Light does this a small amount but the targeting is closer to mid-range rather than long range

As a mechanic I can see it making sense, especially if balanced with either a lower power curve for bows overall or a damage drop-off with distance.

[dense cliff]

No ping as its a private game.

[thorny pewter]

exciting times boys

i get to test out my build idea soon

almost at 120 points where i think i have enough to get started on it

[gleaming musk]

Strange. I'll try it out myself more when I can. Running low on Bone Channel 2 and I havnt cleared HH Kindlewastes on the new server yet

[gleaming musk]

Excited to hear how it goes!
Does make me wish that the skill planner tool had an easy way to restrict the max skill points available based on level and/or world progression. Would make it easier to plan build steps along the way

[thorny pewter]

Yeah for sure haha.

I'm actually going to test out those skills we were curious about first then see if it feels too clunky

And then if it does, attempt water aura

Because I do think i want spell power to be more than melee power

[gleaming musk]

Yeah. Having to use Heal Channel is annoying, but it would save on SP so you could grab stuff like grapple which you mentioned wanting. Mainly why I mentioned

If Heal Channel wasn't currently caster-phobic it'd be less annoying. Here's hoping the devs fix that

[thorny pewter]

Wait no, I stand corrected

i'm going up the tank tree moving forward now

I did take the fighter stuff first

And honestly, i think i can live without the grapple, like it'd be cool

But i dont mind going kamehamahaaa first with staff to aggro them

then go slashy slashy

Whirlwind crescendo could be nice though.

I think it's really going to come down to the playstyle and what feels the most fluid

Which will then determine the direction of points

Dang, need to free up 7 points. I knew this was going to be a lot tough before 130 point count xD

Not having chain hit, mass destro, etc. could hurt

[gleaming musk]

Meanwhile I'm over here realizing my build is complete with SP to spare...not sure what to use the rest on

[thorny pewter]

hmm, just 3 more points now

[gleaming musk]

Maybe a bit of Spirit or the gathering skills

[thorny pewter]

took way the begone route because i wont be going up for bloodletting and what not for a minute

[thorny pewter]

That could be good. The one con with my build is that I'l lhave to remember to modify skills when I'm in gathering mode

So, not the end of the world. Just that "one more thing nuisance" thing

[gleaming musk]

I mean, imo the gathering skills are too expensive with too little benefit. Mostly you dont need them

But I DO like granite and it takes foreveeeerrrr to mine

[thorny pewter]

Ok, i thought STR would be higher, and INT lower doing this with 121 skills to use

Kind of surprised tbh

[gleaming musk]

The mining boost might functionally be a +exp skill too, if the bonus resources also come with bonus exp. Flint mining is weirdly good at leveling you as it is

[thorny pewter]

But melee should still be viable, and at least we know staff will still hit hard-ish

[thorny pewter]

Yeah always wondered if the mining exp gain should be tweaked.

It is....quite strong lol

[gleaming musk]

Oh it definitely should. It's weird as hell that mining is the only gathering that gives XP, and even then only certain materials, and even then the lower tier materials give better XP than higher tier

[thorny pewter]

Now time to determine gear

with limited options

BUT

elite hollow + spellbreaker seemed like a great starting point

[gleaming musk]

Well idk melee sets offhand but for magic you could get by with just the staff wizard sets' hat and gloves. That's what I do lmao

Gloves give +StaffDmg, hat gives +MagicCritChance and +CritDmg

Easily leaves you with your choice of chest and pants. Shoes too if you dont care for heal strength

Ah looks like melee sets also set their damage stats on hat and gloves. Of the two of those on the staff wizard sets I'd say that the gloves are most sacrificable. The staff wizard hats are pretty important for reliably triggering Terror and Bloodletting

If you're OK with comitting to blunt melee weapons, the elite hollow gloves should boost those + Bone Channel. Shame we dont have higher HH tiers yet

[thorny pewter]

I dont use bone channel - its wonky and doesnt seem to register properly tbh

But i just realized

little bit of a pickle

gloves and helms basically share the same stats

but just diff weapon allocation

[gleaming musk]

Yeah i was just seeing that too lol

[thorny pewter]

So

I think food is our answer

[gleaming musk]

Helms lean more towards crit, gloves base damage

[thorny pewter]

we take the better gear option for whichever one

Then use food to offset the other

in the end, i think we still want magic to hit harder than the melee

[gleaming musk]

Some food items also play well on both sides

[thorny pewter]

Because melee playstyle isn't about 1shotting anyways

its a ebb & flow weaving combat styel

style*

[gleaming musk]

Like Meat Wrap, Herbal Mountain Tea

[thorny pewter]

so if its more sustain than burst, thats ok

[wild cypress]

Be like water, my friend. Be like water.

[thorny pewter]

mmhmmmmhmmmmhmm

[thorny pewter]

^ this lol. so we're not focused so much on melee dmg it self

But if i can big boom shroud meteor or fireball, that's far more important

Like, we don't want the artillery to hit like a wet noodle, and the bayonet to hit like a mack truck

we want it the other way around 🤣

[gleaming musk]

Well, you wont be doing that with Shroud Meteor lol

Shroud Beam Channel though

[thorny pewter]

We might, idkkk

I'll use meteor simply for one reason

The Rule of Cool

I love me metor spells

GIMME ME MORE METEOR SPELLS

[main needle]

Hear me out.. I think come 1.0 combat isn’t going to just be improved, I think it’s going to be a massive overhaul.. especially since it isn’t even coming until autumn. Sounds like they are taking more time with this to make a substantial update

[thorny pewter]

Hear me out.....yes. I agree

[main needle]

Depending on what is being released in spring by the time 1.0 comes out it will have been nearly a year since wake of water which is a long time for them to work on it

[gleaming musk]

Sure, and same. But the difference is pretty staggering lol. Shroud Meteor and Acid Bite both have the same silly problem: short range and damage that doesnt justify the insane cast time. Even finishing the casting can be difficult in a lot of combat scenarios. Shroud Meteor also got slapped with the massive 5 min timer penalty which makes matters worse.

Shroud Beam Channel, though? Actually delivers on what you'd expect. Massive burst damage with a high cost, and easy to get off in a fight

[main needle]

I think this time they want to release a massive content update for 1.0 which explains why we are not getting a big update until then

[gleaming musk]

I hope so. I'd love to see more interesting & challenging combat, especially with better hybrid build support. Current system is okay, but if they can improve it so it leverages their unique engine features that'd be the best possible outcome imo

[main needle]

It’s sounds like that’s what they are doing based on the road map and the dev video a few weeks ago

[gleaming musk]

🤞 Holding out hope that they adopt a multitool approach to magic. It's a slim hope, but that sort of design is very suitable for voxel engines and would make magic far more dynamic than CC-damage-heal-repeat

[dense cliff]

Oh my god I didn't know that Legendary Acid Cleavers exist.
I just got one.

I'm sad that poison is just not a good "element"

[main needle]

I wish we could dual wield cleavers

[thorny pewter]

This might be a good option @gleaming musk

its a middle ground for both

instead of the other being one or

bc i dont have +crit chance food

[misty sedge]

I saw a small clip of the new Fable's combat and it was pretty near what I want for Enshrouded. I like the way the weapons seem weightier without being slower and the dodges seem to cover less distance so you can do a small back step and lunge back in with attacks. It's not too far off from what we have now in Enshrouded

[thorny pewter]

And the crit strike dmg is pretty substantial tbh

dang, if the assassin pants didnt have freaking sneak speed

i'd rock that bc equal def, + mana, but sneak speed is 🙃

wait

i didnt even think about the other caster gear

[gleaming musk]

Yeah I was seeing that too. I think on the specialist gear, +CritDamage applies to any type of damage, and its just the +CritChance that's specialized.

Tbh the argument in favor of emphasizing magic crit chance is that since you have Bloodletting and Terror, you'd proc them more there. For Bloodletting specifically, this would let you restore HP/MP/stam without relying on potions as much, and you'd be able to mix in Gem of Bloodlust for more healing. These would keep your combat tempo up, esp if you use multihit spells like Lightning Channel

If you went with that helmet, you'd be trading a bit of tempo for a bit of melee damage. The helmet also caps your defenses in that slot too

[thorny pewter]

elite hollow helm
archmage gloves
archmage chest
warlock pants pants
sage boots

This is where i'm at

I can't make the higher gear, idk if there is a lvl 28 (don't tell me)

so I'm stuck with lvl 23 gear atm

oh waiiit

gloom monarch chest

[wild cypress]

Nothing will ever get better. You are literally and metaphorically doomed. All growth has ended. You are now stone.

[thorny pewter]

hp & mana

POIFECT

[gleaming musk]

Yeah iirc they do the whole impact-pause animation effect. Love to see that in games.

[thorny pewter]

send the good vibes ya'll

i need this to work 😤

[gleaming musk]

If you're using a staff with Mana Leech you can skip on most +MaxMP boosts if there's something else that'd benefit you more. Just something to keep in mind.

[thorny pewter]

Yeah i have a mana leech one thats bette dmg, but the one one thats about 5 power lower, has precise on it

[gleaming musk]

Even more so if your melee weps also have Mana Leech

[thorny pewter]

conflicted

but yeah good point

yeah i got a GS with mana leech as well

its not as cool as the one i did get, but was also going to test that out

its 13 power lower though

but mana leech PLUS precise on it is really tempting

[gleaming musk]

Yeah that would be lol

[thorny pewter]

To explain

[gleaming musk]

I know for pure mage, at least one Mana Leech node on your staff is actually more important than a few extra points of damage or higher crit chance. But thats mainly cause even one Mana Leech node lets you spam your staff

Since you're ostensibly going back & forth more, Mana Leech may not be as mandatoy

[thorny pewter]

yeah, so i'll prob use the mana leech staff

then maybe the more hard hitting sword

until i get those mana gaining skill nodes in tank

think i'll go warden pants tbh

[misty sedge]

Goldlaced Greatsword is so fire. I have a level 50 one and it smacks

[thorny pewter]

the extra resist in pierciing could go nicely

and i think just having the mana boost form gloom is fine even with leech

like sure i could get more stam, so i'll bring both

but it screams my build bc its quite literally all the things you want for it. Armor, hp, mp

dang

no fell sicklescythe mist for sage boots

gloom boots it is

feel like that 24% healing could be subtantial though

hmm 288 mana with this, think we need more mana

so probably archmage chest still

336 feels alot better

does 12 stam feel "substanial" enough for me to swap out mana & stam regen?

i'm not sure how much that regen feels in terms of impact

hmm, it's not the worst

[gleaming musk]

If you're planning to use healing spells in combat it would be, yeah. But healing spells are generally strong enough for combat with just the perk investment you have

If just using it for between encounters, heal strength doesnt help much

[thorny pewter]

yeah 100%

on paper, this feels like it will feel nice tbh

with food i have 106% mgic dmg, 90% melee

then 21% magic crit, 11% melee crit

1075 hp, 336 mana, 362 stam

feels quite well rounded and enough to feel impact, im excited

the sword looks so cool xD

[gleaming musk]

For reference as a full mage near the level cap, I only have about 300 Mana

[thorny pewter]

sick

yeah

i could just be too excited and feel overly confident, but i think this could be a blast

esp in group play

[gleaming musk]

The stam regen would be dwarfed by Sweets + Sweet Tooth lol

Especially if you also stack on Herbal Mountain Tea or similar

And mana regen is nice to have but not essential tbh. At least imo, but im biased cause I Leech most of my MP

[thorny pewter]

yeah, ok so i was on the right track then

i actually took the hunter boots for the static stam

but still would like to have the sage boots i think

bc of healing group not just me

[gleaming musk]

Even on the off chance I run out of MP and don't want to use a potion, a few swings of my wands fills me back up. But thats cause half of them also have Mana Leech + I have the perk that gives wands basically innate Mana Leech

[gleaming musk]

Speaking of, the ranger pants that boost sprint speed might be extra handy for you since you'd then have an easier time getting into whatever position you want

[thorny pewter]

yeah i did bring a wand solely as a utility piece because you HAVE to take the wand perk to get to exalted

[thorny pewter]

yeah i've been considering it too tbh

but the straight health and def resist stat seemed good

depends on how it feels once i get hit

and when i can go more points into tank

i could very easily start to transition over

[gleaming musk]

For sure

Can't get into position if ya dead

[thorny pewter]

OKAAYYYYYYYYY

this is freaking amazing

so much fun

gs with the gem of soul reaping

we're sitting fine

def take the sprint speed i think

yes, i dont hit AS hard as full wizard, but i hit enough to do more than tickle

and the melee still wallops

[patent pasture]

So in my experience, mage is kinda hard when played solo. Anyone has any idea how to make it easier or more approachable at least?

[thorny pewter]

I mean....I dont want to get ahead of myself

but this build i'm testing has been pretty fun 😉

i am biased though 🤣

[gleaming musk]

I have so many lol. Currently working on a guide covering everything. Where are you at in the game? And are you looking for any specific kinds of tips?

I'm a full mage, and have soloed nearly the whole game up til endgame btw

[patent pasture]

"How to die less as a mage" would be good xd
Im basically at the beginning stage, just got hunter and alchemist, got a firestick

[gleaming musk]

Alright, basics then. How familiar are you with elemental damage types, and what spells do you have at your disposal? You at least have a basic wand, shield, and staff right?

[patent pasture]

21 points to spend
Shield from a smith
orange staff with fire bonuses
Fire wand
Firebolt and fireball spells (basically versions, I think?)

As for elements, im familiar enough to get when they're effective and when they're resisted and what element corresponds to what elemental talent

[thorny pewter]

Ah, ok

so someone may have a different experience. But i think you need to get into the teen levels and maybe like 2 zones worth of shroud roots before attempting the magic route. it feels incredibly lackluster and clunky early levels

[gleaming musk]

Ok one sec. Lemme start you on a build

[thorny pewter]

Is acid breath good against anything 😬

I'd like to try to use SOMETIMES lol

also i def need to get some mana leech somehow, i hope the tank points help because i do want to use this awesome sword lol

[gleaming musk]

NOPE lol
Poison is a mediocre damage type even before considering Acid Breath's bad range, surface, pathing AI, and insane cast time

[thorny pewter]

siiigggh

guess i'll drop it just to control the mouse wheel bloat

prob still keep light burst bc its fun to use but more than likely eventually drop the same

[gleaming musk]

Start with this. Quick Charge is mandatory on any staff-user. Double Jump allows you to break the game's level design and is excellent on any build, but even more so for mages cause you can climb up to sniping points. The dip into Tank will help with survivability (and you'll want more in Tank later), as will Counterstrike. This also adds in a bit of extra damage, MP, and stamina. The very next skill you should take (just need 1 more SP) should be Updraft from between the Assassin & Trickster trees. Like Double Jump, it goes a very long way towards exploration and reaching sniping points.

https://enshrouded-skill-tree.com/?code=WyIyMSIsIjEyNyIsIjEyOCIsIjExNyIsIjIyIiwiMjAiLCIxMiIsIjc1IiwiNzYiXQ==

[patent pasture]

Allrighty, thank you!

[gleaming musk]

For Elemental damage, you'll want to keep an eye out for fire and shroud wands. Just having one of each ensures you have a wand suitable to target the weaknesses of nearly every enemy in the game. Very few things resist shock or bludgeoning so those are good backup wand choices. A lot of enemies resist cold, so thats lowest priority

For staff spells, even though cold damage isnt the best, Ice Bolt does inflict slow 100% of the time which makes a major difference when kiting. Should be accessible in early tiers

[gleaming musk]

No problem! Feel free to ping me if you have more questions

[gleaming musk]

@patent pasture last basic tips are to keep a supply of Explosive Powder Balls on you. They're craftable in your rudimentary crafting menu, no station required. They're also super cheap to make. Use them to quickly make sniping platforms for yourself, or to traverse terrain/break into places.

For weapons, keep an eye out for any wand or staff with the Mana Leech upgrade perk in its path. This is especially important for staves, and even a single Mana Leech node dramatically increases how many spells you can fling. Having at least one of these nodes is more important than a few extra damage points

[patent pasture]

🙏

[coral juniper]

https://www.reddit.com/r/Enshrouded/s/NmHQA6EOAf

Anyone know how to replicate this? Apparently you can have weapon traits stick around

[gleaming musk]

I saw someone mention it can happen with most gems as a result of slotting and unslotting them. Causes the gem effect to apply to everyone in the server for all weapons. I've got it happening on my server with the Gem of Corruption atm (which makes seeing anything on the battlefield a bit of a nightmare lmao)

[coral juniper]

Interesting so you just slot and unslot the gem?

[gleaming musk]

How I feel about any healing spell other than Heal Channel atm...all of them just heal, and Heal Channel is by far the most MP efficient, strong enough to quickly heal anyone to full even with minimal investment, can heal the caster, and doesnt require aiming which is a huge boon in multiplayer. Literally the only reason to use the others is their longer range and lack of projectile travel time.

I have yet to try Righteous Fire but I'm seriously hoping it can crit and proc Bloodletting/Terror ffs. Next skill I'm trying is Divine Surge, and it'd be nice if it procs Bloodletting but I kinda doubt it will

[gleaming musk]

From what the person said, yeah. I havent tried to replicate it though cause I dont want it to bias the guide im writing

@coral juniper More specifically i think they said it needs to be slotted, unslotted, then slotted into a different weapon

[coral juniper]

Fascinating!

[flat gust]

righteous fire triggers battle mania, i wonder

thats a badly written question btw

[thorny pewter]

do you need to have a certain skill node to have the stun bar fill up when you parry?

i think im losing my mind lol

also, i def notice i'll need to keep the SP high for that to hit, def feels a little on weaker side right now. And can say need to keep the defense gear on over the sprint speed. Was getting spicy against lvl 20 fell and im 31 (granted lvl 23 gear)

[gleaming musk]

Should happen at base, but I think there's nodes to boost it? In my experience with no perk investment a single parry is rarely enough to completely fill the stun gauge so I also rarely bother with the system. High risk low reward for me

[thorny pewter]

yeah i just didnt see any at all

so was confused

[gleaming musk]

The parry power of whatever you're parrying with is also a major factor. Afaik a shield or ward is pretty mandatory, but also I rarely parry lol

[thorny pewter]

ah

i paryy with gs lmao

i might need to look into those skills

[thorny pewter]

Almost wondering if i do take the magic crit chance honestly @gleaming musk

it seems like the raw dmg of GS is just substantial enough as it's absolutely hitting harder than the spells

even though my INT is 5 points higher than str @ 11

[gleaming musk]

Yeah that tracks. It reads like the crit damage boost applies to both, but atm magic really needs crit chance for Terror/Bloodletting

[thorny pewter]

For me honestly, it's even Terror/Bloodletting I'm really caring about. It's chain hit & mass destruction

[gleaming musk]

Those are nice to have, but their damage is pretty low tbh. Mostly they knock bugs out of the air and help clean. Mass destruction also lets you know where other enemies are nearby cause their health gauges pop up

Terror and Bloodletting on the other hand make a major difference

[thorny pewter]

I could try for veteran for melee crit strike chance

But hmm, still a weird spot to be in

Yeah i eventually take the terror/bloodletting

necromancer might not be a bad idea

[gleaming musk]

Necromancer summons get in the way of spellcasting really often. They'll also prevent you from casting Heal Channel on yourself.

[thorny pewter]

Oh yea thats why i didnt take it

i forgot lol

theyre amusing though xD

[gleaming musk]

Yeah, its unfortunate. They used to just get physically in the way of spells and I really liked them despite that cause theyre actually pretty competent. Once they started stealing Heal Channel from me that changed, and I found myself coming close to dying pretty often, at random. So I refunded the perk

These days picking up Necromancer is like deciding to work Last Meal into your build 😅

[tawdry shadow]

does earth aura suppose to emit some kind of aura around you

because i picked it up and no aura is emmiting around me if thats a thing in this game

[gleaming musk]

There's no VFX, just a status effect.

[tawdry shadow]

got it thank you

[flat gust]

what u guys eat on endgame? Mages? im looking at these

[thorny pewter]

Glow soup was massive for me

I'm not endgame of course

But just when i was playing it at 30s, i liked it more than the mana soup

[flat gust]

yeh some aint ennd latest biomes but its like the best i got

[thorny pewter]

Oh wait, you have the better glwo soup so nvm

The blue one i was using I think is also mushroom based

I def feel like Meat wrap + soup though, getting almost 30% magic dmg + seems significant.

[flat gust]

yeah that and herbal mountain maybe, dont wanna run outta stamina. Been running a stamina drink this whole time

[gleaming musk]

Right now I'm using Meat Wrap, Herbal Mountain Tea, Yellow Glow Soup, and Shadowbloom Wrap / Glimmer Gentian Tea / Grilled Yucca depending on what I'm doing.

After VWB I'll probably be using Meat Wrap, Latte, and Algae Salad, with the final slot being same choice as before but with Candied Ginger as an option.

Final slot can also be sacrificed for fish dishes for VWB of course.

Calla Luna Soup initially caught my eye, but I ended up deciding I didnt have a good use case for it. It wasn't as good as its competition in any area

Though I do use it from time to time since I have excess, if spending more valuable resources would be overkill

[flat gust]

yeh im feeling the need for that 4th slot

[gleaming musk]

Yeah. Extra MaxMP is just a luxury tbh. Focusing damage / crit gives you plenty to spam spells, so I lean more towards mobility & survivability most of the time with my food

[granite vortex]

what are some good skills to pair with a 2-Handed skill route (maxed-out barbarian)?

Im only lvl 8 and new to game and wonder if it's worth it to devote my love to a 2-handed playstyle

[summer vector]

the classics, double jump, uplift, survivor tree, wizard tree to match weapon element. loads of stuff goes well with 2h

[thorny pewter]

so, i just came across something that 100% works through testing lol

if you use gem of soul reaping and have the blood rage perk

blood rage will activate on destroying the phials that drop from soul reaping gem lol

[gleaming musk]

@thorny pewter yeah the Gem of Soul Reaping says that'll happen

Not to detract from the joy of the find lol

[thorny pewter]

Ahhhhh, yes. Reading the card, explains the card.

I did not read that final part there

But also...that's just wildly overtuned lol

Aside from the fact it heals you for 1300 🙃

[gleaming musk]

Glad to hear it works as advertised though. How much does it heal? The wiki doesnt indicate

Oh damn lol

Do they break in one hit? Like if I was blasting AoE spells would I accidentally break it

Would also be nice to know if they vanish over time. Cause I was about to try Gem of Bloodlust on most of my wands for more healing since I'd be able to get and use the Bloodlust buff even if I kill with my staff

[thorny pewter]

Yeah, they break so easily lol

one hit with melee

and with my build a fireball almost 1 hits it

so a pure mage will def do so

[gleaming musk]

I mean I guess that wouldn't be the worst on a staff then. With how common minions are and how the description reads, repeated fireballs would effectively also heal any allies in close range to the enemies without any casting overhead

Especially coupled with wands that have Bloodlust, or even other Soul Reaping gems. I could dump all my healing spells in a chest lmao

[gleaming musk]

Actually that's an interesting thought. I bet breaking a Vial while having Bloodlust would count as an enemy kill for the purposes of rolling to see if the health orb is generated

Well I already have enough Bloodlust, so I guess I need to do HH Kindlewastes ASAP to try this out 🤷‍♂️

[summer vector]

if your playing on a server that isint yours, put all the gems you have( 1 of each) in your inventory - they all work at the same time 😛

[coral juniper]

Good reference

[amber swallow]

did we ever get an explanation of what the block stat means and what are the blocking calculations?

[gleaming musk]

Block stat is used in the calculation for stamina drain experienced when blocking an attack. It's functionally like Guard Boost / Stability in FromSoftware's games.

I dont know that anyone knows the exact calculation, but you can compare equivalent tiers of shield and ward to easily see that the block stat makes a pretty big difference.

Similarly, parry power increases how much of the enemy's stun gauge you fill when you successfully parry.

[amber swallow]

hmm, thats a shame, im pondering how viable and effective shields actually are in terms of a full melee build

[gleaming musk]

This leads to a dichotomy where shields are meant for blocking & parry and wards are meant for passive boosts & parry

[gleaming musk]

Imo shields make a major difference in your survivability. I used to use them all the time as a pure mage even with no shield perk investment, despite hating how most of them looked.

These (endgame) days I dont block often so I swapped to Wards for fashion + passives

@amber swallow Even if you decide to emphasize two handed weapons, keeping a one-handed option + shield handy could be helpful to swap to in a pinch if you need to go on the defensive. Could ensure the one handed weapon has health Leech or something + gems with a similar function

Not sure offhand if you can block while having empty hands, but if so then Begone! could also work as a means of applying stun easily

[summer vector]

missing 1 dex skill but this is the highest my ranged damage can get

[midnight raptor]

new to the game and want to avoid spoilers so I'm asking here. does terror skill proc using wands?

[small parcel]

Hello there waves i'm looking for hints and tips on how what boni affect my dmg output. I.e. does a magic bonus dmg from foodbuffs affect the magic dmg traits on my weapons and gems or rings and possible combinations and so on is there a place where anyone can point me to? Thx in advance.

[flat gust]

@midnight raptorit doesnt

[leaden atlas]

Hello

I've noticed a problem with the warrior skill tree.

It's impossible to acquire Swift Blade without first acquiring talents that are useless for this build.

Swift Blade focuses on axes and one-handed swords, and to get it, you need either a talent for hammers or daggers, or a talent for two-handed swords. This makes Swift Blade very expensive; the cost jumps to 10 instead of the intended 5.

Please change this! ^^

[gleaming musk]

Nope. Wands are "magic weapons" as far as skills are concerned but do not fire "spells." Only staves can proc Terror and Bloodletting, and multi-hit spells are particularly great for this.

There are a few great skills that wands can proc, and you'll benefit greatly from maximizing the number of projectiles your wands shoot.

[gleaming musk]

Intelligence and Magic Damage boosts from all sources will affect both Wand damage and the damage of Spells you cast using Staves. Note that for Skill interaction, the projectiles that Wands fire do not count as Spells. Any boosts that increase a damage type (e.g. fire, cold, bludgeoning) will also improve the associated spells and wands. Critical chance and damage boosts only improve wands & spells if they either say they are for magic or do not specify what archetype they're for (general increases).

Healing spells do not scale off of any stat, and only get stronger by picking up higher tier healing spells and using gear or perks that specifically boost healing strength.

[gleaming musk]

https://enshrouded.featureupvote.com/

The devs use that board to track feedback items. Check and see if one already exists there and if not, create one

[leaden atlas]

THX

[gleaming musk]

Have to wait on moderation before it can be upvoted

[leaden atlas]

Ok I'm noob with this ^^ Thx for help 🙂

[main needle]

What is terror?

[gleaming musk]

Stun enemies when you crit with spells. Bloodletting is similar but generates Hp/Mp/Sp orbs on crit, and pairs well with Good Metabolism in the Survivor tree.

Bloodletting & Terror are incredibly powerful and can be gotten back to back due to having the same prereq in the Trickster tree. Theyre the reason mages want crit rate for their staves, and proc all the time with multi-hit spells

[small parcel]

thx alot! do any "ranged perks" apply to wands and staves aswell (i.e. the ranged AND magic dmg boni on Ring of the Ancients do apply both at the same time? -> staves are marked as "ranged weapon"?). Everything you mentioned does apply for food and gems aswell? Thanks in advance.

[drifting coral]

No, "ranged" weapon applies to only bows.

[cerulean tartan]

does terror proc with wands or just spells?

[gleaming musk]

Just spells, as the skill states. Wand projectiles are not considered spells.

@cerulean tartan Any skill that says it triggers when you hit with a "magic weapon" can trigger for both wands and spells. They will also trigger even if you do no damage (enemy immune to damage type).

This means using a multishot shroud damage wand to pepper a single Fell enemy will let you trigger Shroud Filter as much as you want. Makes you and your adventuring group near-immune to the Shroud timer

Shroud Filter is, perhaps unsurprisingly, one of the singular best Mage skills. Easily the best Healer tree skill

[cerulean tartan]

i feel like most mage builds are like glass cannons lol

i will check that out haha

[gleaming musk]

Nah. In fact my guide is going to highlight how this is unnecessary

@cerulean tartan Realistically you can near-completely ignore MaxMP and MP regen boosts as a full mage, and instead go for MaxHP and defenses. It's mage-hybrids that need to worry about MaxMP or MP Regen

Kinda silly and unintuitive, but it's true

[cerulean tartan]

im gonna go over your guide while i redo my mage build lol

[gleaming musk]

I'm probably gonna add a first draft for a lot of the skill recommendations tonight. Hopefully all of them

Plan is to start with a link to the completed endgame build for quick user reference. Then get into each relevant tree and rank the skills out of 5 stars + give a brief explanation for each

[thorny pewter]

ooookkkkkkk

sicklescythes

i'm clearly doing something wrong

[cunning mural]

dodge the skull, skull is very mean
if you are ranged, you can either: dodge the sickles it throws, or parry them with a shield
if melee... hype yourself up and get as close as you can and then they will just throw the sickles around you, never hitting you, but you will need to run once it charges skulls up again

the skulls are very mean and are not your friend

[thorny pewter]

yeah i thought i've been doing this, but i think i need to get melee more

I think im just being stubborn

however, I've been getting super weird visual bugs lately that have been quite frustrating

like my fireballs will just never show, i'll just see numbers. Or the sickles when she throws them, i just dont see the sickles

at all T_T

[gleaming musk]

@cerulean tartan I ended up not having time for anything except experimenting with some skills I wasn't familiar with, and adding the shell of the skills section. Will be able to add details on skills with my phone now though, and will be working on it again tomorrow

It is with a heavy heart that I must say...the new skills in the Healer tree are ass

And I suspect they are not implemented correctly

Was hoping they'd at least somewhat redeem healing spells, but nope

Divine Surge appears to use your base crit chance and not your magic crit chance. Makes it hardly ever crit. I was also hoping it could proc Bloodletting, but it doesn't.
Righteous Fire just straight up does nothing. Even if it worked as advertised, it'd be underwhelming and super niche. Hard to justify the skill points. In order to get even decent damage out of it you'd have to lean more into healer gear
Since these two ended up being a waste, that means Martyr is also off the table

But hey, I did realize that I was being a dumbass and using Life Burst while avoiding Water Aura. Had completely forgotten Life Burst was even something I had, and cutting it out gave me space for Water Aura, which meant I didn't need the first Shroud Resistance node, which in turn gave me SP for Waters of Life.

[cerulean tartan]

If you need help, i don't mind taking part in testing these skills

[gleaming musk]

I still posit that Water Aura / Waters of Life is at best a convenience, but it's at least better than Life Burst

[gleaming musk]

There are only a few that I have yet to try at this point. I might give Righteous Fire one more chance later, since I tested it by healing myself and summoned skulls. It's possible the devs scripted it to where it only triggers if you heal other players, despite what its description says

Yeah...looking at everything, it seems that the only things I'm really missing are testing to be doubly sure that the two Backstab Damage nodes do in fact work with magic weapons. Then, probably also the first mining node at least. After that the build is done with some points to spare

[vestal mist]

whats the strongest class rn?

[bronze hollow]

They're all viable. It really depends on your preference/playstyle.

[lilac fractal]

My lil staff wizard stuff be working out pretty great I'm a glass cannon but I have 2 mates running tank builds and I do a bit of healing/shielding and then decent damage while also providing stuns from chain lightning I'm basically a support that does pretty good damage

Don't recommend it solo or if others aren't running like the 2 handed tank build or shield build

[gleaming musk]

Mages don't have to be glass cannons in Enshrouded btw. You can maximize your spellcasting & damage and still be able to take hits.

[gleaming musk]

I've been playing a pure mage, and have been soloing for most of the game.

[gleaming musk]

Pretty squarely daggers + bows, I gather. Mages are the underdog, but still able to tackle all of the game's content and have a lot of unique utility

[bronze hollow]

💪 🏹

[tranquil jay]

I'm new to the game, so I'm wondering the best way to play dual wielding/short sword/bow. What the best build for that?

[gleaming musk]

Daggers + bows should be your starting point. They both scale off of Dexterity, so your build focus won't be split. My understanding is that you'll want piercing+poison daggers and to use explosive arrows with your bow.

Respeccing is cheap af btw. Don't be afraid to experiment

@wild cypress may have more specific advice. I haven't played an archer yet. That's what I plan on doing for my next character

[earnest iron]

I’ve been having that too. My sound won’t line up or I’ll swing with my axe at an object but the axe doesn’t show in my hand. Last couple days have been rough and buggy.

[tranquil jay]

thanks for the advice

[gleaming musk]

Yeah i see that too, though mainly from wands. Relogging or restarting my game seems to help fix it.

A long while back there was a similar issue preventing shields from showing, and re-equipping them would fix it.

[thorny pewter]

Yeah it just seems like its happening more and more as of late

Like @earnest iron said. Past few days have been rough

[wild cypress]

Me awake. What's going on?

[thorny pewter]

Bogo donuts at the local bakery

Get em while theyre hot

In other news. Im being stubborn and trying to make my build with daggers now. I blame Kel and you lol @gleaming musk

[wild cypress]

@tranquil jay @thorny pewter If y'all search this channel you should be able to find a link to my daggers build. It's focused on utility and poison paired with poison weapons with poison gems, dagger enhancing armor and food and health regen soldier armor for the pieces that don't buff dagger damage or crits. If you can't find it, ping me again and I'll link it. I just need to make some coffee first.

Some changes could be made to up the damage but since I play solo it's basically giving me the sturdiness of a soldier and the ranged oomph of a bowman so I can cover all roles on my own.

[thorny pewter]

I'll give it a look!

I'm going to see if i can re-work my 2H GS spellblade build to a dagger spellblade build now

The idea is stunlock then backstab roll backstab dmg with daggers. Then rinse & repeat.

[maiden musk]

Does the +% melee damage bonus from foods apply to every melee weapon or is it exclusive to certain ones?

[wild cypress]

A.B.S. Always be backstabbing. Target lock a foe, every time they swing you roll past them and backstab, light hits only. Parry everything you can't evade. Use the chain hits for bigger damage when you've stunned them after enough parries. Mobs usually go down before that can happen, 2-3 seconds to take down any non-boss mob.

In group fights use Shockwave and Crash Down to clear out the rabble and build stuns so you can pick off foes. Stay mobile enough though and you'll rarely be fighting more than one or two, you get good at peeling them away and using terrain to get them burned down one at a time.

[wild cypress]

All, but if you're using daggers the bonus for foods and armor that buff daggers specifically is significantly better.

[maiden musk]

I am using daggers yeah, was just curious if it affected them too mainly. Thanks

[thorny pewter]

This is going to be far more funky with daggers & spells than GS/Swords & spells

Theyre just in such weird positions

daggers being mixed with endurance and nature ?

half of BM and assassin need to be swapped with one another

Dang, this makes me sad. Idk if this ones even possible because of the skill node locations :/

[wild cypress]

@tranquil jay @thorny pewter Here is my daggers-n-bow utility solo build, I'm at my PC now. https://www.enshrouded-skill-tree.com/?shortCode=6963a474d0d789c4a5e5107e

[thorny pewter]

This is kind of what I was going for as well but with spells incorporated in.

That said, interested in something.

I see you didn't take the Dex stat boost.

How do you feel your damage still is?

You might have given me a sliver of hope

[wild cypress]

Mobs go down in seconds? Boss fights aren't meant to be one shots, they're meant to be dances, and with lock+dodge roll I basically don't ever get hit. It's about survival and endurance there.

The food-based dagger and armor-based dagger buffs are the meat of my damage. I could be doing more but at a point it gets a bit redundant IMO.

[thorny pewter]

Yeah, I wouldn't want the boss fights being one shots.

Was curious how much that big boost to dex was affecting dmg output for daggers. Seems like it's not really.

Whereas I know the int one is pretty substantial for wizards. Even str for 2handers also.

But seems like if you emphasize the backstab, crit chance, etc. it basically can negate that

https://enshrouded-skill-tree.com/?shortCode=6998a43d8d4e9a62989012d4

This is about the highest I can go via skill points I believe. Seems like it could be enough to be a decent starting base.

Will have to try it and see how it feels.

Seems like I might be able to get away with only about 8 wasted points

That's if i dont pursue going for the dex, which i do think is fine

Compared to the almost 20 wasted points if i wanted to pursue it

[wild cypress]

I definitely have some points folks call wasted, mostly around the Strength dots getting to some of the soldier features and a lot of folks will bash me getting the food HP increase buff, but they were all on the way to stuff I wanted so I don't feel bad about them.

[thorny pewter]

For sure

It's all about the trade off right?

Like i'll take 3 points for the wand node so i can get the int stat buff & the int to hp one

I'm looking into armor right now to see what best options I have available to me

[twin belfry]

Here's the neat part about all this, you play how you want to. Aside that if you really grinded at it. You can eventually get all the skill trees unlocked.

I know I've gotten double skill points from the Shroud Root, I found solo and then went with friends to cut one down the same one together.

[wild cypress]

Papa be like...

https://tenor.com/view/dont-do-it-dont-go-snitches-get-stiches-no-snitches-dont-tell-gif-14151378

[twin belfry]

Funny how that didn't load

[wild cypress]

Expected behavior, but you can read the link or click if you wanna know my filthy secret. 🤫

[twin belfry]

I already did

[wild cypress]

My filth is revealed!

[twin belfry]

But bashing people for their choice of playstyle is just toxic imo, let the people play how they want.

Its a pve

[wild cypress]

...I...never bashed anyone?

[twin belfry]

Not you, what you said above

a lot of folks will bash me getting the food HP increase buff,

[wild cypress]

Ohh, as in people snarking at my point choices? Yeah, they're being silly and prolly having less fun than me if they're hyper critical. But I'm just here to go zoomie stabbie rawr awoo like a happy little idiot.

[twin belfry]

Its a pve world, what others spend their points on doesn't concern anyone else but the person who chose them.

[wild cypress]

He speak the troo troo.

[twin belfry]

Eventually I'll have them all unlocked

So at that point its just a matter of time

[thorny pewter]

The only thing I will say to this and i may be misinterpreting what you meant by it.

But when you mentioned "its a pve" as the justification for not bashing peoples playstyle.

I would argue the same can be saide for PvP too. Just because its against people doesnt mean it gets put in its own little world.

The same behavior whether it be PvE/PvP is still toxic regardless.

[thorny pewter]

Can relate to this. My build ideas are always being tailored for the group I play with. Primarily my wife who has never played many video games before this.

So no matter the build, I'll always have healing increase & Arch Nemesis. Because it allows her to learn and enjoy the game more.

But like...taunt on a dagger boy? On paper, it of course isn't the "optimal" lol

[twin belfry]

I didn't mention pvp bc its none existent here. Thats the only reason I mentioned pve, but yes. The only thing I might bash is like pulling off respawn camping if there was pvp allowed. 1 of the many reasons I had quit cod like 15 years ago. lol

But that aside, talent points don't really effect anyone aside from the user themself.

[thorny pewter]

[twin belfry]

That one healing aura though is kinda a must have

imo

[thorny pewter]

I've surprisingly had great luck without it

But requires knowing disengage & engage timing to be good.

Thankfully, many a WoW days paid off for that xD

[twin belfry]

Well yeah, but it comes in hand when low on potions

[thorny pewter]

Indeed, I usually have disengaged by then, stay stocked on potions, or accept my defeat with a temper tantrum like any other honorable gamer 🤣

@wild cypress any armor stat suggestions you would recommend prioritizing?

[wild cypress]

I was very reluctant to take any of them TBH, but they probably helped more than I consciously acknowledge. Low-pri though, only if you're tanking a lot or just a "hard charger," aka the guy who uses his screaming face to kill a million mobs at once. If you're not tanking you can probably put all the armor-related points somewhere else, especially if you properly follow the rule of "don't block and don't get hit."

Warden and Tower are pretty nice, and Earth Aura I got in hopes of buffing pals a little but so far I haven't found any RP servers so I don't really pal around.

[thorny pewter]

Hmm, yeah true true true

its tough deciding between staff damage or dagger damage for my build. But think I need to go with the dagger

str technically does increase dagger dmg, yes?

as it is still "melee damage"

[flat gust]

i dont think so

[wild cypress]

Strength does not increase Dagger damage; the only base stat that does that is Dexterity, at 5% per point.

[thorny pewter]

facepalm

Some serious re-wording needing done lol

[wild cypress]

They also don't count as "One Handed."

[thorny pewter]

.........

This skill tree needs an overhaul bad then haha

Like relocation of 30% of the nodes, rewording, etc.

[gleaming musk]

Heal Channel is honestly the only healing spell worth bothering with atm. It heals plenty fast, is fairly MP efficient, is the only healing spell you can use to heal yourself with, and doesn't require aiming. And its still great despite its current targeting issues.

I prioritize using it before potions. Potions are for an emergency or if an ally is nearby (which currently prevents HC from healing the caster)

[flat gust]

i have 3 chars, a mage, a dex dagger user, and a 2 handed warrior. I think im gonna play them all in the same world

this base is just too convenient

[twin belfry]

I don't really mess around much with magic as I am a warrior, so Water Aura and its upgrade waters of life suit my playstyle and my friends

[flat gust]

water aura is useful, u dont need any hp regen with it

[gleaming musk]

Water Aura / Waters of Life is convenient. It's better than most other skills that restore HP. For non-mages it's a huge benefit because it requires very little investment to get. For mages it's less of a priority and more a convenience because of Heal Channel.

[thorny pewter]

@gleaming musk we have some cookin to do - i is hitting a wall haha

[gleaming musk]

What's the wall

[flat gust]

its super easy to get witouth investing in the healer tree too

ok time to test my new daggers

[thorny pewter]

daggers with spells - i'll share the starting point i'm at.

I will be taking arch-nemesis bc of my group

[flat gust]

u might be spreading urself a bit too thin there

[thorny pewter]

For fully optimal for sure

I was able to do it with 2hander

But i think its because the nodes aren't as such a mess

T_T

[flat gust]

yeah for daggers u gotta take a bunch of stuff

[thorny pewter]

https://enshrouded-skill-tree.com/?shortCode=6998a43d8d4e9a62989012d4

This is where i'm at right now

I would AT LEAST think the wording for melee weapon applies to daggers

[gleaming musk]

I havent used it personally, but my impression is that Merciless attacks are bad because they lock you into a long animation with no i-frames and do mediocre DPS. And that terrain often gets in the way of executing them in the first place.

If you skip Merciless and instead take the Sneak Attack route to get to the backstab node, that saves you 5 sp

[wild cypress]

I second this, Merciless Attack is really not worth it unless you have tons of HP and are being healed while using the +aggro buffs as a tank (and even then only if paired with M.A. boosting armor). As a rogue, however, I found it slower, lower DPS than my light swings and it exposed me to too much bullcrap from mobs.

[gleaming musk]

I'd also suggest cutting out Airborne, at least for now. In-combat gliding is short enough to where it doesn't make much difference and out-of-combat gliding you'll have plenty of stamina if you just keep upgrading your glider. With almost no Endurance investment and a Ghost Glider I have never been in a situation where I ran out of stamina before I was done gliding.

You probably also want to take Backstab Mastery from Athlete / Survivor because it should boost both your dagger/bow and magic damage

Removing those gets you 7 SP back, so you're 3 short of getting Backstab Mastery. You could temporarily cut out another node to get it immediately if you're able to reliably get off backstabs

[wild cypress]

Though since Backstab Sneak Attack doesn't work on most (any??) bosses I also ended up ditching that haha.

[gleaming musk]

It doesn't? Is that a new change? I remember exploiting backstab a ton, especially against the ||Fell Dragon||. It's one of the main reasons my partner and I juggled him with bow/staff from opposite ends of his arena

[brave loom]

Backstab works fine

At least it says backstab

I didn't look at the actual numbers

[wild cypress]

Well let me clarify

[flat gust]

my dagger guys takes so much danage its insane

[wild cypress]

I meant Sneak Attack, not backstab, my brain is bad

[gleaming musk]

I really wish training dummy props had infinite HP and also prevented random damage rolls, instead just causing average damage. Would also be great if the damage dealt to them went to a system log in chat or something

[wild cypress]

Regular melee swings to opponent's backs are awesome

Please forgive my brain-error.

[brave loom]

Do we even know the damage formula yet? Is everything just fully additive?

It's all worded as if it's all just additive

[thorny pewter]

Hmmmm

let me try these changes

Great suggestions so far

And it's helping this jank build tighten up

[gleaming musk]

It seems like multipliers from gear, buffs, and skills are additive, but there are some wonky elements like MeleeDmg% vs DaggerDmg% on daggers that make me suspicious

[brave loom]

Yeah from how I read it, everything from crits to backstabs to attributes to generic damage is all just additive

Kinda makes damage gear pretty worthless imo

[gleaming musk]

Yep. Unfortunately between documentation issues, refactoring, and bugs, what UI claims or implies is not always the case.

Perfect example is Righteous Fire and Divine Surge 🥲

[wild cypress]

Make a dummy and test for yourself; I ran with no buffs, then with +melee buffs, then with +dagger buffs, then with both melee and dagger buffs; for a Rogue the +melee buffs were in the 1-3% range, but the +dagger buffs were in the 14-30% range. So I'm presuming it's somehow scaling off Dex in the case of daggers.

Logically it would follow that if you are running a melee (1h, 2h) character then it would scale off your strength.

[gleaming musk]

You have that backwards, actually. It all adds up, and the amount of damage you do directly improves things like Leech amount, making Dmg something that is both preferable and completely safe to minmax for

[thorny pewter]

k, i like this build

mini boss was a really fun fight

[brave loom]

You get so much damage from the tree compared to gear though. For example I'd rather have a tank chest or the healing % one for water aura than have the 6% wand dmg armor

That 6% is like nothing when you already have over 100%

[gleaming musk]

Well, yes, some damage boosts aren't necessarily worth their alternatives. But that is the exception, not the rule

[brave loom]

Yeah I mean if there's no alternative then sure, but there is almost always an alternative

The gear options are a little low right now

[flat gust]

im gonna need to make some tank armor for my rogue, im taking insane damage in veilwater

over 50% hp damage

[brave loom]

I know something like flaming gauntlets is generally considered really good for fire wands, but people forget that the lightning on crit is also a massive portion of your damage and those gloves don't scale it at all

[gleaming musk]

Even still, I use the wand dmg armor because it also gives decent survivability, and even though the healer chest pieces massively improve healing spells, healing spells still fall way behind other mage healing avenues. Plus, you can already get a functionally sufficient healing spell buff from healer shoes, and other shoe options dont really help mages much anyway.

Also, healing boosts from armor and perks do not improve Water Aura. Only Waters of Life and Intelligence do that.

[thorny pewter]

Ok yeah

[brave loom]

Yes they do

[thorny pewter]

this builds real fun ya'll

Magic using

[brave loom]

I tested it myself

[thorny pewter]

dip duck dive dodge and dodge tactics

stabby stabby

[brave loom]

I went from 25 per tick to 48 per tick by putting on the 120% healing chest

[gleaming musk]

Hmm. I'll give that another try, then. Pretty sure that didnt work in the past.

[slender pike]

Does Pierce damage enhance 1H sword damage?

Why do I have to go into the pierce skill tree to get "Veteran" in order to get Critical Strike Chance?

Feels like a waste of skill points.

[gleaming musk]

That's a common complaint tbqh, and not just for that specifically

[slender pike]

I can see why.

[brave loom]

Math on this checks out btw.
30% healing on the tree base would be 19.23 without it
19.23*2.5 = 48.08

[slender pike]

I feel like they could move "Veteran" into a node right before "Swift Blade" where it touches all 3 lines.

[wild cypress]

Only if the weapon has a "piercing" damage type, and I can't think of many swords that do. that's mostly daggers and some mauls.

[slender pike]

That's quite unfortunate.

[gleaming musk]

Can you verify that it works on other characters your Aura applies to too? If so, that's pretty big news.

[brave loom]

Friends are away atm 😔

Also for boots I like the stamina regen delay ones so stam starts regening right after you dodge

[gleaming musk]

Even with sprinting and dodging near-constantly, the only times I have ever ran out of stamina in combat is if I accidentally step on the terrain hazards that instantly delete your stamina.

[wild cypress]

I presume you're saying that since you want the melee crit bonus but are sticking to 1h swords; it's my advice, in that case, to buy perks along this route instead.

[brave loom]

Yeah I don't run out of stamina often, but sucks when it happens

I don't think many other boots are that helpful. Maybe the healing ones again

[slender pike]

Well yes, my point is that going with the pierce in order to get "Veteran" (6) is a waste of skill points. 🙁

[brave loom]

I mainly use wands though and just fireball for engage/pack clearing

[wild cypress]

But you don't have to get any piercing?

I showed you how to sink points only into cutting.

[gleaming musk]

Yeah if water aura just outright works with heal increases, the Healer boots would be the way to go. That + crit wizard healing means you'll rarely if ever need to cast healing spells to begin with

[wild cypress]

If anything's "wasted" it's the greatsword one, but hey, we all agree the trees are...in need of updating.

[gleaming musk]

And more time casting offensive spells = more orbs = more stamina anyway

[brave loom]

True for your style for sure. I just don't use spells much

Spells is probably the actually better way

[gleaming musk]

I use both pretty equally. Depends on the scenario. They flow between each other very well

[brave loom]

I'll have to try full spells out eventually

I just don't like switching off fireball cuz my scroll wheel is broken

[gleaming musk]

Staves are great at softening enemies from a distance or when you wont get interrupted

Wands are great in closer range when you need to be defensive, and refill your mana gauge easily

[gleaming musk]

Ah that makes sense

[brave loom]

Can you bind a specific spell to dif staves?

I haven't tried

[gleaming musk]

Tbh if you had to pick just a single spell to use, I'd suggest Ice Bolt

[gleaming musk]

Nope

[brave loom]

Oof

I just like fireball for the aoe/long range sniping

I use it for breaking all the stuff to loot too lol

[gleaming musk]

Ice Bolt has identical range and aoe mechanics as Fireball. It also often does more damage per cast than Fireball depending on where you are in game progression, and always leaves a lingering aoe that inflicts slow. You can also exploit Soaked with it for more damage.

Enemy resistances heavily favor fire over ice, but in practice that's offset by Ice Bolt having half the cast time that Fireball does. Plus, there's Soaked.

[brave loom]

Ice bolt does aoe??

[gleaming musk]

Yeah this is the one thing Fireball does that Ice Bolt cant replicate

[gleaming musk]

Yep. Not the very lowest level one as I recall, but every tier beyond that yeah.

[brave loom]

Oh I wrote it off after trying the lv 1

It's as big as fireball?

I didn't even like the aoe of fireball until eternal 1

And even fireball 1 seems meh when I get that annoying auto aim thing

(haven't played yet to record it)

[gleaming musk]

I almost did too. Another thing that caught me by surprise is that there are (or at least were) two items called literally "Ice Bolt I" and they were different levels. The lower level one had no AoE, but the higher level one did and had more damage

[gleaming musk]

Yes. The projectile arc, infinite distance, and blast radius are identical

[brave loom]

Wait why wouldn't it work for breaking things then

Unless those things all resist ice like an enemy lol

[flat gust]

@wild cypressthis the only melee 1 handed with piercing i know of

[gleaming musk]

Environment damage is determined differently from combat damage.

[gleaming musk]

If you hadn't noticed, attacks will always do the exact same amount of damage to the environment regardless of your stats, buffs, or gear. Fireball always does 20 env damage to anything in its aoe, wand projectiles always do 4 env damage, etc.

Fireball and Shroud Meteor are the only damage spells capable of damaging the environment at all, as I recall.

[brave loom]

Ah ok

I didn't know those things ty

[gleaming musk]

Np. I'm a game engineer so I notice these kinds of things much faster than the average player haha

@brave loom There's one extra layer to env damage, which is that environment objects can have weakness or resistance to specific sources of damage. This is different than combat damage type

It's how they've implemented harvesting tools, for example. It's why trees take way more damage from felling axes than battleaxes despite them being conceptually similar. Trees have a specific weakness to felling axes

[brave loom]

Oh yeah I noticed that part at least

[gleaming musk]

I low-key wish they took a more generalized approach because chopping down large forests is a pain unless you happen to get the combat moveset glitch from your axe. Wide sweeping swings that you can just chain endlessly lmao

[wild cypress]

I keep getting thrown cause in most servers people call me "Red," haha.

[brave loom]

The felling axe feels so clunky to use too

It doesn't behave like a normal weapon

[wild cypress]

The fact that they don't do extra damage to Fell (for the puns) is a lost opportunity. XD

[gleaming musk]

That'd be because it's not a normal weapon 👍

[brave loom]

Yeah and I hate it! lol

It's forced into character facing instead of camera

Unless there was another setting for tools

[gleaming musk]

Ahh I see what you mean

[brave loom]

It has really weird aiming though. Sometimes I can still angle the camera a little bit to hit 2 things at once

[gleaming musk]

I dont mind that much tbh, cause I plant my trees close together and try to angle things to chop down multiple at once

Side note: it's funny how the devs forgot to override what is seemingly the default "required space" for a lot of plants

[brave loom]

Oh I found with those tentacles that give adhesive you can plant more seeds close together once they full grow

But the seeds themselves need a lot of space

[gleaming musk]

Red Revelwood Trees are fancy need space to show off their leaves. Demand you give them a luxurious, massive field