combat-and-skills

[tawny hinge]

The two items that give "% skill shot damage" in fact give "% ranged damage" at level 2. so if you equip them both, you get a nice 38% more body shot damage, but that body shot damage isn't included in a critical calculation. And now's a good time to be clear, it looks like headshot damage ignores these level 2 increases. (but not level 3... I cant even.) But if you get a headshot, you get 2x your damage ignoring level 2 increases, but then the number level 2 would have increased your normal attack gets added after. I know thats complicated, i didn't write the code. The short is: none of the things that "increase skill shot damage" do it as advertised, in different ways they all incrase your body shot damage first, then by proxy your head shots.

The perks in the green tree that specifically say "Gives 10, then 20 more, percent ranged damage" actually give 30% total Bow damage (level 30 damage) which is kinda crazy. It even lists this as bow damage in the character sheet funily enough.

After seeing that the armor functioned weird, I double checked my original math on the "skill shot" perk you pick up. It functions different from the armor, and same as I originally calculated. It exists outside of the normal damage formula. It looks at the total damage done on levels 1 and 2 (ignoring 3) and adds a number equal to 50% of 1+2. that flat damage of (1+2)*.5 is added to the crit. so both body and crit are increased by the same flat number that is for some wild reason unaffected by level 3

I wish I could have said that in less words

thanks for attending my ted talk

[left crescent]

Yeah, I have many thoughts about MMOs, they're pretty off topic for this channel though 😝

[tawny hinge]

my file for hunting all this shit down

very fitting

[coral juniper]

I do too lol. I constantly talk about them in regards to other games too bc I feel like MMOs have solved a lot of issues with player retention that RPGs don't seem to grasp

[left crescent]

I dont want to get into full MMO rant in the normal channels, but feel free to DM me if you want to chat about them more 😝

[pure bobcat]

That feels like an odd choice, can you elaborate? Wouldn't it be just about mandatory to spend X skill points to boost all damage?

[tawny hinge]

I was referencing the perks that already exist and are spread all over. Cut, pierce, slash, lightning, ice, etc. they're already damn near mandatory and you have to go all over the map getting strength on int builds or vice versa in order to get them.

[pure bobcat]

So are you suggesting, +Fire damage stays a separate perk line from +Blunt damage (for instance), but they all branch directly off of the same "root" in the skill tree with no intermediate nodes that you must go through?

[tawny hinge]

yeah, I think its more fitting that we get less perks but better access to the generic ones. then the "class trees" can all be higher impact nodes that specialize your playstyle.

Its crazy that I may or may not need to spend 20 points in blue entirely on how lucky my RNG was with greatsword drops.

[pure bobcat]

Ah, because to optimize you'd want to reskill to get the perks that match your current weapon's damage; I think I understand. I recently had a thought about this "+ X% ___ Damage" sort of perk, which is that it would actually fit better as a passive effect on gems (in addition to the gems' current effects). This makes a lot of sense, because gems must be tied to specific weapons to function anyway. Also, I always felt those skill perks were "useful-but-boring" compared to things like Updraft, Chain Hit, etc.

And, y'know, I feel like gems are pretty weak right now and this could be a way to strengthen them...

I feel that one way the devs could mitigate this is with a more generous inventory size and better systems for managing equipment, sort of like "presets". This would allow items to shine that are very useful but only in certain situations even if they are unlikely to ever be "Best-in-Slot" overall. For example, with rings: currently we have two ring slots and wearing duplicate rings is possible, so every ring is basically competing to be 1st BiS (or maybe 2nd, depending on if there are significantly diminishing returns for stacking a ring). Carrying extra rings for different situations is possible but cumbersome (inventory is limited, switching is not trivial). If, instead, we had 4 ring slots and we were not allowed to wear duplicate rings, each ring would only be competing to be at least 4th BiS. Add to that more generous inventory, and carrying extra rings for special cases would be easier. This could boost the number of "viable" rings for any player's build from 1-2 up to maybe 4-6 or so.

[brave quest]

is there some kind ongoing bug or mislabeled skill where I would be recieving healing on hit without a weapon or gear giving a heal hit stat?

[half furnace]

ive seen it before. for me it has something to do with: having a other weapon with lifesteal on my hotbar/in my backpack/ in storage. then it will sometimes give the effect.

same for any other weapon gem effect

[brave quest]

I figured and tried to remove it and such

[half furnace]

relogging helps

[brave quest]

but still getting it past relogs and all that

[half furnace]

oh

[brave quest]

ill keep an eye out for stuff

i do have a bleed gem that is causing its effects elsewhere but thats it

[half furnace]

maybe changing the grapic settings might do it. sometimes a slow game might effect it.

but im just guessing here

[brave quest]

aight ill keep poking around just makes things rather easy

[half furnace]

i tried combining gems this way lol, tho it doesnt seem to do more than 1 effect

[brave quest]

respeccing relogging deleting all the heal weapons in my chests and even trying to spec out into and out of heal perks

im doomed to be immortal

[tawny hinge]

just to be clear, when you say you dont have heal on hit, are you doublechecking your gear, not just looking at the stats page right? I know thats elementary but I wanted to check

[brave quest]

yeah I checked as much as I know how to check, I have a bunch of regen but nothing that would otherwise heal that I know how to check

currently ~ 20 odd regen

[tawny hinge]

oh, I thought it was "heal on hit"

do you have big regen or heal on hit

[brave quest]

no sorry thats all i have

and yet im healing like 40+ every swing

[tawny hinge]

did you take a antivenom or somethign similar lately?

[brave quest]

Ive had this going on for a while but was using a regen twin soul mace early so hard to tell

i was shroud and hemotoxin at 2 seperate points but after this was noticed irc

[tawny hinge]

theres only a couple ways to heal when you hit, rings, a perk on the weapon you swing, and the "crits heal you" perk in the red tree

hemotoxin antidote has a known bug that sometimes gives useers hyper regen

[brave quest]

i briefly had 500 regen but thats gone from relog

[tawny hinge]

the 500 was probably hemo

if yoou have no rings, no perk on your weapon you're swinging and aren't getting "crits heal you" from the red tree... you maybe found a new bug! Congrats

[brave quest]

yyeah brain give up

got bleed effects and healing from idk where while nake

[tawny hinge]

you're the chosen one

[brave quest]

its even on my new characters

aaaa

[river ledge]

Heyo, new to the game so I wanted to ask what build should I try to go for if I already have water aura, updraft, and double jump and I like sword and shield as well as the wand and bow. What weapon should I drop from those three? And what classes should I spec into now?

[fleet field]

Updraft and double jump are good for all classes! With water aura you could be a 1h sword/shield and staff spell tank.

[half furnace]

i would specc into a strength and intelligence build. using sword and shield and a wand as backup, and would drop the bow.
something like this for the early game: https://enshrouded-skill-tree.com/?shortCode=6964345b493d205bab418280

something like this for mid game: https://enshrouded-skill-tree.com/?shortCode=696434cf493d205bab418281

something like this for lategame: https://enshrouded-skill-tree.com/?shortCode=69643598493d205bab418282

[fleet field]

Here is my warrior/staff spell hybrid without buffs on. My close and mid-range is sword, and staff for flying enemies only

[river ledge]

Thank you guys so much! What a nice community

[cunning mural]

we're only nice cause the devs haven't enabled PVP yet, we're waiting.

[half furnace]

ive been carving your name on this icebolt 😈

[river ledge]

[cunning mural]

||Had to fix the eye, the right eye looked off... still not happy with it but MS Paint is my only tool for this||

[solar rock]

Hmm. So... how effective are kick > merciless builds, and what's the best style for them?

[half furnace]

kick not very effective. merciless deal nice damage but cant be used against bosses and can be interrupted easy. merciless also takes quite long to enable, and by that time normal attacks would have killed the enemy already.
merciless gets a little better if you give enemies extra hp (in world settings), and you get good at parrying. the attack speed of merciless varies per weapon, with 2handers being the slowest and daggers the fastest.

[cunning mural]

Merciless is honestly not that good, early game its better but most of the time just... "stun them and keep whaling while they're stunned" is faster than actually using merciless strike

[solar rock]

Hmm. Kinda decided to go the battlemage route. Should I be emphasizing being able to switch between wand and staff prioritizing wand, or are there other skills I should invest mana into instead?

[fleet field]

About what level are you into the game?

[solar rock]

Level 15-ish. I've been taking my sweet time.

[fleet field]

Hmm, if you've killed a few roots you probably have... like 38 points or so?

https://www.enshrouded-skill-tree.com/?shortCode=696455a600922af3a850bb7e

Probably run Adventurer Chest for the hp and physical armor, and then Wizard set for everything else

[coral juniper]

Clutch. I'm probably gonna swap soon and I'm in a similar spot.

[fleet field]

This would be one way to build around level 25, still with a tank chest, and probably a multishot wand for extra aoe damage proc. The wand make it so that it keeps filling the shroud timer to full.
https://enshrouded-skill-tree.com/?shortCode=696458e40f59a80fae5766d9

[solar rock]

Well, I mean more whether to go Wand and Staff, or pure Wand and find something else to use Mana with.

[fleet field]

Oh, there's not really pure wand, you will have plenty of points to go staff and wand together eventually

Plus the wizard tree benefits both staff and wand

[solar rock]

Well, less in terms of what trees, more whether I should practically use staff as well, or if there's another ability that uses mana I should use.

[fleet field]

or hmm, let me rephrase - If you build for wand, staff will be pretty decent because of the same shared skills

The only other mana skills would be if you specialize in Eternal Ice Arrow, but that also requires a lot of points into Ranger to make it work

[wild cypress]

No, but at night they'll gather around the firefly lamps. :)

[urban solstice]

Thank you for answering. I removed the post because I put it in the wrong space. But didn't want you to think I was ungrateful. 🙂

[stark lake]

Does anybody know if this spreads debuffs?

[coral juniper]

your mostly going to use mana for staff. Some people will stay as wand and only use staff to heal. But staff has lots of spells that can be very applicable to certain situations. like if you are swarmed a fireball will do a lot more than a wand will. Also eventually you can stunlock enemies with channel lightning + terror and move around them for free backstab damage (take nodes on the tree)

[pure bobcat]

I'm still trying to test this, but in the middle of combat it can be difficult to tell what's going on...

It might spread the Storm's Eye debuff. But I've seen enough instances where it doesn't appear to do that that I am still doubtful.

[stark lake]

I'm really curious if it works with the chain lighting gem that hits any target with the debuffs

I think that's storms eye

[pure bobcat]

There are always confounding factors: Did I actually see chain hit or mass destruction trigger?

[stark lake]

Does mass destruction spread the debuff? O.o

[pure bobcat]

Almost definitely not, or I would see it appear on far more enemies.

[stark lake]

The mobs get a little icon on their health bar that's what I'm curious about

[pure bobcat]

Yeah, I sometimes see that and sometimes I don't, which is really confusing. Another gem to test would potentially be the Corruption one. It creates a delayed explosion on debuffed enemies I think, which hopefully is easy to see and count how many go off. If you have one of those you could try testing with that.

[stark lake]

I got I one today hadn't tried it yet

[hybrid gale]

could it be possible, that the hematoxin (anti-poison) potion block the damage from that green badass two-axes scavengers? or the additional damage? my healthbar was filled rapidly after i got the hits and i have meatbuff, cornbuff and midnight flower active

[supple eagle]

Those guys are psychos. I don't think poison is the bulk of their damage, tho?

The matrons are all about poison. Those cleaver dudes are just angry and on some sort of rage high or something.

[pure bobcat]

Hemotoxin antidote may still be bugged, also. Last I checked it gave 500 health regen until you log out of the game and log back in, which is almost surely not intended. At lower levels, this basically means that anything which cannot kill you in a fraction of a second, cannot kill you at all.

[hybrid gale]

yeah... i noticed that today, too 😄

[hybrid gale]

they do poison or acid i mean, or have the chance to apply it

[supple eagle]

They do. I just doubt poison resist will help all that much.

[pure bobcat]

I admit I will be sad to see that bug go, but given how absurdly OP it is it really should go away I guess...

[supple eagle]

And they don't apply haemotoxin, that is just spiders I think

[pure bobcat]

I thought Hemotoxin was a small chance to trigger from any poisoning, but I'm not 100% sure...

[supple eagle]

Same on not being 100% on that.

[hybrid gale]

mostly yes, but the toxin is working against those dot from the green guys

[supple eagle]

I am 99% sure I have only gotten it from spiders.

[hybrid gale]

mhmm its not about hemotoxin itself...its about the antipotion for it

[supple eagle]

Fair.

[sullen crater]

I might have gotten it from a poison flower once, but I could be wrong, it could have bern just spiders. But I don't think I got hemotoxined for... ages, really. Or fell cursed, for that matter. Despite the fact that I have many, many moths stashed now. 😄

(the first time was awful, before they increased their spawn rates, I couldn't get enough moths for several gameplay hours)

[sullen crater]

Borderline surprised, but not complaining! that the VW wasps don't hemotoxin you.

[supple eagle]

F those things and whoever thought of them 😉

Bad enough we fightin giant ewoks 😉

[pure bobcat]

If it is chance-based, it is possible that everyone almost always gets hemotoxin from spiders because spiders are fought in large numbers compared to other poison-using enemies. I have gotten hemotoxin from a scorpion once, but you could argue that this is still almost a spider...

[half furnace]

scorpider

[sullen crater]

Hmm, might have also gotten it from a scorpion, but not sure... True, spiders do swarm you. But isn't it the big ones that do the hemotoxin?

[sullen crater]

But I like giant Ewoks!

I like Ewoks of every size. 😄

[supple eagle]

Right, which is why I wanna be friends with the Vukar...

But they just try to stab me shen I approach bearing gifts 🙁

[sullen crater]

Not beastmastery, eh?

[wild cypress]

What about the Wookies Itchy and Lumpy?

[supple eagle]

They ran off with Methy...

[pure bobcat]

An RPG set in Enshrouded's world (either before or after the current in-game events, obviously) with various living settlements of non-hostile human or Vukah NPCs would be pretty amazing I think.

I would love to use Beastmaster tree but points are limited and I worry that it would trivialize the Vukah...

[spring topaz]

Actually a prequel RPG would be pretty sweet. Given the lore, how the Elixir was distributed, how the various kingdoms got corrupted....if you stop to read the lore in the larger towns, it could make for some epic battles.

[charred hedge]

I can't live without Calm spirit on any character. I take Vukah language often too and don't miss the fights at all. If you prefer a bit more chill exploration it is amazing.

[supple eagle]

Wait, what? You can befriend the Vukar????

I needs a Chewie NPC then.

[runic tree]

"befriend"

Basically they won't attack you with one perk, and will fight something that attacks you with the second perk, but they don't actually stay with you.

[half furnace]

if you go up too them, and put them on "guard" they will walk with you. unless you fly off or go places they cant path too. tho they will attack anything on sight

[supple eagle]

Unacceptable. Needs a third perk in the chain, Ewookie Companion. 😉

[fleet field]

oh weird I was just thinking about if Vukah were Wookiewoks but now I'm wondering if Ewookie is better

[runic tree]

It does roll off the tongue better.

[supple eagle]

🤔

[wild cypress]

This makes me imagine a strange DJ.

[coral juniper]

Curious if any magic users have any clips of them in the early kindlewastes so I can see what it looks like at this phase.

[celest juniper]

LOVING THE COMBAT thats all

[noble coral]

Noted

[serene badge]

how good are the 3 +10% base stamina regen skills (at the 4th food slot skill) for melee builds? I don't think I have any skillpoints left in my build, but if they're super broken I'd try to realign some points

[fluid light]

try it. I have this 3 skills, and I feel they are useful. If they are a "must have" that's another question.

[runic tree]

They actually got hard nerfed with the water update. Used to be a single skill that gave +50% to base stamina regen.

Still useful, but definitely not as strong as the original version of the skill.

[wild cypress]

I think the first two dots of Stamina regen Skills are handy but the third dot is too much cost. I rarely hurt for Stamina since before level 20, personally speaking as a dagger main with bow backup but I also sank a few points into Endurance as I built my skill tree.

[runic tree]

Yeah, the same cost as the first two combined just for the same bonus is a bit excessive. Especially since the previous talent had half the cost of all three combined for roughly twice the effect.

[pure bobcat]

So I recently did some testing of the Miner skill: it looks like it does not work on resources harvested with the felling axe, even though it is accessable from the Lumberjack skill. I gathered nearly 200 units of Shroud Mushroom total (so I cut down something like 40-60 mushrooms) and I saw no significant difference between yields with and without the skill. The smaller mushrooms nearly always gave 3, the larger ones nearly always gave 5, and any variance was well within what I would expect from having one of the drops slide out of my view or be inaccessible due to deadly shroud tar or things like that.

Is this a known issue?

[cunning mural]

its technically working as intended. This is a 10% chance to get a single extra "ore" when you are mining terrain. not for chopping wood or gathering resources any other way. just terrain

"Mining Resources" is they key word to take away from it. but you can still get the "miner" skill without having to get the "extra terrain damage" skill

[pure bobcat]

This is very puzzling though, because the other path to it is "Lumberjack", which implies that you want to harvest more efficiently with the felling axe... so why would that skill connect to "Miner" if the latter has no felling axe benefit? If I had to choose one of extra pickaxe damage or extra felling axe damage to get to "Miner" surely I would choose the pickaxe one, for synergy.

[cunning mural]

I get the correlation. but I think its a "we wanted to make it so you can mine roots easier and also get more mining resources, without having to also use the skill points on 10% mining damage when your pickaxe could be more than good enough"

[brave quest]

I dont feel like the perk is lying at least with how its written

But would like to see more done with the non combat subtree concept

You can also as stated mine a bunch of stuff you dont really need extra damage for even from early game

[cunning mural]

to be fair, I actually quite often get "lumberjack" and "miner" and skip the mining damage

I very much do want the extra tree damage, cause it applies to shroud roots
and I also want the extra ore while mining.
but I don't want the extra mining damage

[pure bobcat]

But doesn't extra damage = extra yield, or at least increased gathering rate? Mostly I'm just annoyed at the lack of symmetry between the two harvesting modalities. Like, why are felling axes left out?

I guess it's more frustrating now that the devs have added more "choppable" resources needed in vast quantities as well...

[cunning mural]

extra damage = increased mining speed by technicality. but for instance. Think of Silver Ore

Silver Ore is always a pain to mine. it takes forever, one of the hardest ores (at least it sure feels like it)

you can mine it 10% faster, so... from snails pace it goes to a slightly faster snails pace

[pure bobcat]

Yeah, for that one I'd surely want all mining perks I could get.

[brave quest]

I mean you can farm trees at base unlike ore if we go down the conversation

[cunning mural]

or, you can make it so every time you get 1 silver ore, there's a 10% chance it doubles to 2 ore instead.

[brave quest]

But for mining like clay

I dont really care about dmage

But 10% more yield is nice

[pure bobcat]

Those are mathematically the same, actually. Both are +10% on average.

[supple eagle]

Snail pace to slug pace.

[brave quest]

Competetive mollusc racing

[cunning mural]

https://tenor.com/view/garysplosion-deezware-gary-race-car-snail-gif-20628903

[pure bobcat]

Some important tree-like resources, such as Shroud Wood and Shroud Mushroom, cannot be farmed however. (At least, not to my knowledge?)

[cunning mural]

the thing with mining, is that it depends "how much terrain you remove" and since mining silver is... abysmal. occasionally getting an extra ore seems to be a lot better than "abysmal speed, but slightly faster abysmal speed..."

[brave quest]

Fair enough and im not disagreeing with expanding the skill tree and such

[cunning mural]

I will not disagree with the idea of "they should add a way to make it so we can get extra resources from trees"

[brave quest]

I would be very interesting in 3 or 4 harvestinf skill trees that had some nice exploration buffs so you dont wanna turn them off when just doing non gathering stuff

[pure bobcat]

And I agree, the "Miner" skill in isolation isn't lying to me. It's more that the connetion between it and "Lumberjack" feels misleading.

[cunning mural]

I like that idea too, but I just want to say that quite often I would rather keep lumberjack and miner, and skip the mining damage perk cause... it doesn't help as much as "a random extra ore"

so I am concerned at the idea of losing my lumberjack to miner branch. Cause I use my 2 "mining damage" skill points elsewhere and just keep lumberjack

lumberjack is way more useful, cause every chop counts on shroud roots

[brave quest]

I would just like a bit more going on with the perks so you have some axe bonus damage down a gathering tree or even silly stuff like a staff skill making you also better at fishing

[pure bobcat]

Sorry, that wasn't my intended suggestion. Rather I was meaning to imply "if Miner connects to Lumberjack, Miner should boost resource yield from trees as well as rocks". I could have worded the issue better at first.

[brave quest]

"The skill to cast a line has enhanced your spellcasting form..."

[cunning mural]

I wouldn't mind if they added another skill point, one specifically for chopping trees down and getting more resources

but I'd want them to be lower in skill point cost, so I can get both tree and ore, or a way to mix and match them

[brave quest]

I need a path of exile tier skill tree exclusively for gathering skills in increasingly and concerningly complex ways.

Jokes aside

Could be as simple as making 2 perks that increase yield from resources but make each have a small sub bonus that effects the other activity like swing speed or something

[runic tree]

I just wish gathering wood from trees worked like mining. ie. it goes straight to my inventory

Had to dig logs out of both the roof and basement of my greehouse the other day.

[wild cypress]

You don't ENJOY having to build staircases to get your floating twigs?

[viscid hinge]

or when it slides off a cliff into lava or red shroud

[cunning mural]

there is an "auto pick up" thing in the works

at least, it was on the roadmap for 2025.

[viscid hinge]

Oooh that's good to know

[brave quest]

My wood farm is around a funnel lmao

[solar rock]

So I'm not sure if it's because I've been slow investing into flame levels or what, but even my more defensive battle mage is getting clobbered frequently. Should I be investing into tank instead of wizard, using more tank armor, or what?

[wild cypress]

There are many approaches; this game incentives dodge and parry very highly for most character builds versus "handling" taking lots of damage. That said, the health regen on tanking chests and boots is available to all classes so a multi-pronged approach is fine. Don't overlook the Rested buff and having your strongest foods before going into big/long fights. Finally, don't be afraid of being a little cheesy, standing in hard to reach places, kiting and using cover to block projectiles. If you use a wand also use a shield and get good at parrying, many projectiles can be bounced back at foes on top of the benefits of dealing with melee attacks.

[solar rock]

I'm decent at dodging. Parrying not so much. O_o

[supple eagle]

Getting better at both.

[wild cypress]

It can be stressful to learn so practice on lowest level versions of mobs who give you trouble. It's a great skill to master.

[supple eagle]

Dusl Cleaver Pscho Goy and the Fell giants ir whatever are now much less of a problem.

[solar rock]

It doesn't help early game I got used to trying barb, where my goal was just to beat down my enemies so they couldn't retaliate.

[supple eagle]

Even beat Fell Monstrosity on first try!

[solar rock]

Now I'm wondering whether I should switch back to barb

[wild cypress]

The game has deeply granular difficulty adjustments as well. Just do what is fun, there is no right or wrong.

[pure bobcat]

I agree. There should be a unified behavior for drops, like "if there is room it goes into your inventory, otherwise it drops to the ground" regardless of the source.

[brave quest]

I rather enjoyed spamming a ice wand when i had similar issues

[wild cypress]

[cupping ear] Spam and a nice wand, you say?

[brave quest]

With the frost perk

Then you just sorta have to figure out how much staff blasting you can do between kiting with the wand

[brave quest]

Indeedibly

[abstract compass]

anyone have the patch notes where they nerfed 2hw to obvilion?

I cant find anything but I used to be able to hit for like 6k with a 2hw and now its hard to krack 1k

[coral juniper]

Lol I tried searching for nerfs (I think it's mostly bc of some numeric changes on the skill tree). People on Reddit are the saltiest babies. I only got the game like a week ago so idk what the game was like before wake of water but damage seems reasonable on everything I've tried.

It's not the division where everything is an HP sponge and takes 3 minutes to kill

https://www.reddit.com/r/Enshrouded/s/2kpUySPTvj

This is the post I'm referencing

[pure bobcat]

Doesn't the frost perk require you to let enemies hit you though?

I might like it better as a slow-applying aura, like a counterpart to Radiant Aura.

[brave quest]

Maybe i was getting it twisted for the ice slow being perk bound

[brave quest]

We've been contemplating boosting enemies health especially bosses a bit because things die a bit quickly to engage with some mechanics

[coral juniper]

Lmao reddit will throw a fit

[brave quest]

Its an option you can do in your own game?

Like a world slider

[coral juniper]

Oh yeah, for some reason when I read your message I just assumed you were like a dev or something and meant baseline

[brave quest]

No you are mistaken. I am merely an idiot

[coral juniper]

Lmao same

[coral juniper]

Archmage > warlock helmet right? like its better to get more crit chance than crit damage?

[fleet field]

Just my opinion, but I like more crit chance than crit damage, since there are abilities that proc off crit

[coral juniper]

That was my thinking as well. I think if this were a game where you are capping crit chance maybe it changes

[shadow fossil]

i just downloaded the game and hit level 2 what skills should i focus on?

[wild cypress]

What playstyle do you want? Bow-ranger? DPS fighter? Healing Mage? DPS Mage? Dagger baddie? You can kinda make up your own class in this game, you eventually have enough Skill Points to support 2 or 3 playstyles.

That said, melee is very strong in early game, and IMO the best 2 skills you can perfect are dodges and parries. Welcome to a great game and good luck! ❤️ 🍀

[cunning mural]

pssst... you'll want ||Updraft||... its the best skill in the game...

[shadow fossil]

normaly alway go melee in all my games i play but i noticed there are other skills as well

most are out of reach which i assume means i dont have the skill points for

@cunning muralcan i chnage a skill if i dont like it or stuck with it

[wild cypress]

Skill points come from leveling and clearing Shroud Mushrooms, so your early focus should be on getting good stores of food and raising the Comfort level at your home; Rested buff is amazing.

[cunning mural]

yes, but it costs runes. you can do so any time at your flame altar. you will get runes later/very soon so don't worry about "What are runes" there's a quest to tell you. its tutorial kinda thing

[coral juniper]

Also you will get way more runes than you'd ever use respeccing so don't feel bad about doing that

For reference you can only get like 180 skill points. You get like 150 runes from recycling a purple weapon

[shadow fossil]

and whats differnce between barbarian and warrior? most all games thats the same thing

[coral juniper]

1h vs 2h weapons mostly

The names of the branches are sorta just flavor. You can read the skills and lick whatever sounds good for what you're playing

[shadow fossil]

so thinking of conan i assume barbarian in 2 handed lol

[fleet field]

Eventually even as 1h focused you'll probably invest in Barbarian anyway. I think overall the game is designed that you don't need to worry too much about getting locked in

[shadow fossil]

thanks for the help guys

[coral juniper]

That's what were here for!

also i just made the swap from lvl 13 gear 2h (minus weapon) to lvl 23 battlemage, and the damage is borderline laughably worse. It's a little more fun since you have the spells and stuff but kinda suprising

[shadow fossil]

is there a sheath weapon button?

[wild cypress]

No :( But you can vote for it to be included here.
https://enshrouded.featureupvote.com/suggestions/525752/sheathe-or-holster-weapons-backpack

[coral juniper]

not that i know of, but you can keep a slot on your hotbar that is empty or has something that makes you put away your weapon

like if you have stone for example and swap to it, youll put your weapon away

[wild cypress]

But if you have a shield it must be manually unequipped to get empty hands. 😫

[coral juniper]

rip

i use a ward so its invisible when not in use

[shadow fossil]

i assume you need to find weapon recipes? wanted to make another sword and only see club dagger wand and bow

[brave quest]

crafted weapons are more akin to starting gear or filler when leveling and such, weapons will by and large come from looting

[raw slate]

Anyone experiance staff spells not hitting it's target? on a dead on shot it might hit 25-40% of the time.

Also compared to wands they're kind've inefficient

[coral juniper]

prior to gem of currents what gem should i run on battlemage?

[coral juniper]

This seems to be a commonly reported issue

[raw slate]

Glad I'm not the only one haha. Hopefully it gets fixed soon!

[wild cypress]

Really hoping for a fix before I roll up my 2nd character, cause I'm planning on playing Mage. 😅

[raw slate]

Been playing mage basically the entire time I've played. Definitely needs a slight rework but overall very enjoyable!

[wild cypress]

All advice I've got, given I'm at level cap with a dagger 80% bow 20% character, is that it'll be much easier if a touch squishier. XD

[raw slate]

Haha! Sounds accurate enough. Only thing I'd gripe about is how wand focused the class is. Wish the staff was utilized better.

[coral juniper]

I just swapped from 2H to battlemage and the dps seems lower but its QoL, you are ranged and have stuff like water aura and healing spells when you need them.

[coral juniper]

I was going to play daggers but i fell victim to the dagger slander. Plus my coop partner is going ranged so we don't need to compete on gear

[wild cypress]

Daggers foreverrrrrrr, stabbity stab, perforatin' fools! 🗡️ 😼

[coral juniper]

yeah that is sick. Maybe ill do that on another playthrough if i do one. I wanna go for a DoT build

[wild cypress]

I looooove my poison dots. Doing bonus 100DPS in between actual swings feels so crazy and fun.

[wise rapids]

It's been a long while since iv played. Was wondering what gems are viable with mages. Or is it still the same list

[wild cypress]

Gem of Currents is the intended meta right now; get foes wet, zap the hell out of 'em, but the classics remain as they were from what I hear.

[wise rapids]

Even when playing with element typing?

I assume the gem in question allows you to apply the soaked condition like the gem of storms eye

[wild cypress]

Not sure what "element typing" means, but I know that be it a melee weapon doing zaps or a magic one, the Soaked debuff against zappies gives one a decent edge. Downside is you gotta use balloons or a water bucket to splash the little idiots. XD

I'll let more experienced people correct me if I'm wrong, though, I haven't used Magic or GoC much myself.

[wise rapids]

Some mobs are weak to x. Assuming the element I use or damage type won't affect the gem's damage typing

[coral juniper]

so the gem of currents allows you to soak enemies when you yourself are wet. This lowers their shock resistance by 30%. Then you just spam lightning

[wise rapids]

Ooo

[wild cypress]

🎶 "Lightning crashes / a new mother cries" 🎵

[wise rapids]

How does the gem of lycanthropy compare to the soul reaping gem

[coral juniper]

so if you really want to, you can use something like an avalanche starter bow with current to make them wet, then use Gem of storms eye on your wand but most people just use currents on every piece bc its also gives you shock damage against soaked enemies

[wise rapids]

Cause last I checked soul reaping did some crazy numbers like 1 to 3k heals

[wise rapids]

Noted. I'll consider that

[coral juniper]

IIRC lycanthropy is the meta for 2h if you want sustain

[wise rapids]

I assume because of the melee damage buff with chip heals?

[coral juniper]

yeah it gives damage while also buffing and healing you. plus the collection of the orbs is more passive than having to kill the soul reaping guys

[serene badge]

I just want a huge Radiant Aura buff, all enemy types, more deeps, larger radius!

https://tenor.com/view/burn-gif-20530397

[coral juniper]

There are so many opportunities for them to improve the combat and skill tree it's wild

Like people have come up with so many good ideas already

[lusty dagger]

I've been having wolves bite around my shield. It's like they lunge to my side and turn and bite. Is that supposed to happen?

[languid fern]

Gem of agility is so good with daggers

[mental robin]

but dont most daggers to pierce damage ?

[coral juniper]

Yeah but it doesn't really matter the gem just adds it in top

[mental robin]

was just thinking because of the additional piercing dmg skill node in the tree

[wild cypress]

Some daggers do piercing only, some half piercing and half something else (cutting and poison most common), but I think if you're maining daggers it's worth it to get the piercing nodes and I also got the cutting nodes.

[mental robin]

on my first dagger build went with the ice coated daggers

im confused where do i see the enhanced stats when i upgrade gems ?

cause in the chests the different levels of gems show the same stats

[wild cypress]

Ok so...

When you look at a gem in a mob's inventory or a chest, you see its very base stats as if it was the lowest level possible
When you look at it in your inventory you see two sets of stats; the stats it would have at lowest level and below that the real stats for its current level. So if you're upgrading gems over time at Gem Forges, the top text while in your inventory will always be the same, but the lower text will be accurate to its current level.

I really hope this is fixed/simplified down the road.

[mental robin]

yeah also seeing the real effect a gem has. i just look it up on the wiki but it was really confusing for us ^^

[proven breach]

My partner and I just tried to do a Hollow Halls (we were way too under leveled lvl 5s vs level 10s so gave up) and I quickly realized that the enemies would beeline to her (archer) and fully ignore me (the tank).

I searched it up a bit and I see there is an issue with enemy agro in Hallow Halls but in general is there no point in my speccing for threat generation? Does it just fully not work at the moment?

[fallen obsidian]

Aggro builds don't work in hollow halls

[wild cypress]

They are lawless little skeleton bastards. They respect nothing, not even your spec.

[runic tree]

There's supposedly a fix coming for the spell impact bug coming sometime this month last I heard.

[languid fern]

Additional cutting damage and 'infinite stamina'

[trim sun]

They need a taunt or provoke skill, spell or something would be nice. I rarely run in a team so I can't give much feedback

[stark lake]

Aggro works outside of the halls or not at all? I don't run with a group so not sure

[trim sun]

I feel like it works I just can't speak on the halls as I've solo'ed them

You will have a random here and there attack someone. But as a tank should be trying to keep the enemies backs to the group if possible

[stark lake]

If we're gonna have a tank skill tree taunt and aggro based on damage should be a thing

[trim sun]

Agree

[runic tree]

I'm pretty sure Nemesis works outside of Hollow Halls, it's just inconsistent, and yeah it doesn't work inside Hollow Halls as far as I know. Which is ironic because it's the one place you'd want a tanky threat skill most.

[stark lake]

Inorite

[runic tree]

An active threat ability would definitely be a welcome addition to the tank tree though.

[stark lake]

I recently soloed the second one? The one with a bunch of mobs in cages you unlock and fight at once and hollow cyclops

[trim sun]

I like the halls . They are fun

Need more of that

[stark lake]

I do enjoy them, just not how long they are lol, granted I am doing them solo so that makes it harder

Actually I guess I did 3 of them so far, the one (can't remember the names) with the final boss cyclops took soooo long

[trim sun]

I think you get your money's worth out of them

[stark lake]

I didn't on my lastone though I guess I did it later as I was a bit higher than the mobs, normally I do them when I'm lower

[trim sun]

When you do the double cyclops one dnt try and fight both at the same time. Pull one to the door. That worked for me pretty well

[stark lake]

When I was exploring both sides I was killing what I could through the gates 😛 Though sometimes that broke the gates and caused some fun, once I found the buttons I realized how crazy it was

[trim sun]

My range weapon does little damage but what its good for is pulling enemies, singling them 1 by 1 then fight bosses

[trim sun]

That works too lol

[stark lake]

I recently unlocked mass destruction so it was very fun seeing all those numbers ll

But that side with the spikes was murder, literally

[trim sun]

What tree is that in?

[stark lake]

Wizard I believe

[trim sun]

Oh ok. I should have figured that

[stark lake]

I've basically taken every talent in battlemage/wizard/trickster I want at this piont

I still want to test storm gem with that though

[trim sun]

Brain is still letting the coffee soak in

[brave quest]

Is the aggro skill branch working properly these days, i recall it being broken during my last pass through the game

[mossy igloo]

Is there a good tree direction to use for a one handed melee / bow build?

[coral juniper]

until you have a lot of skill points it sorta only makes sense to pick one, they are basically opposite one another on the tree

[mossy igloo]

I have a lot, I have gone up both sides plus some magic for fire. Trying to figure out if I should do the desert stomach or do two handed

I have a variety of weapons and I like them all but the two handed weapons seem clunky and slow even when I select the faster

Also, does earth aura do anything for me?

[coral juniper]

earth aura is 10% less damage. Solid but not mandatory. I think the 2H are pretty strong (arguably the best build in the game).

how many points do you have? I'll see if i can piece something together on the skill tree. Are you primary ranged with 1h as backup or the other way?

[mossy igloo]

I have 164 in use right now. I can respect out some if necessary. I have life and stamina invested and enough mana for the updraft

[coral juniper]

https://enshrouded-skill-tree.com/?shortCode=6967b5e43ca866a3f0ef7bea

you have more than enough points, here's a starter. Plop points where they seem good

[mossy igloo]

Ok so blink isn't any good?

[stark lake]

I love blink

[coral juniper]

i also really like blink

[brave quest]

Combat rollll

[coral juniper]

just take it and see if you prefer it, its pretty cheap

[brave quest]

Evade attack + greatsword is 😎

[runic tree]

Blink is great. I honestly don't like the default roll.

[brave quest]

But evade into strike is aura farming

Plus gives certain weapons alot of help with swing variants

[runic tree]

Big reason I prefer swords over wands. So much more mobility.

[brave quest]

Id definitely argue if we are talking the literal distance traveled

You cant compete with evade strike

It can throw you like

So far if you go for the right enemy

Now granted you are melee so you cant just kite around

But physically you traverse so much distance

[runic tree]

I mean, I'm melee/mage so I definitely use it to kite around.

But yeah, you can move a good 10 meters with it.

[stark lake]

I'm wand/bow/sword mage and just unlocked evade strike, havn't tried it yet

[brave quest]

Favorite is definitely evade away into football field yeet

Literally did it once with a greatsword and immediately specced out for it with a shield and 1h backup its so fun

[stark lake]

Blink with sword/board is fun

Just zapping back and forth between/behind enemies few smacks onto the next one

[brave quest]

Ive wanted to do a short sword or daggers backstabby blink build

[charred hedge]

I dropped blink - it means I can't roll without breaking stealth to sneak attack people with greatswords. The entertainment value of rolling around without being seen and sneak attacks with stupidly large weapons outweighs the value of breaking stun, for me 😄

[coral juniper]

i played a bit more content after swapping to battlemage. Frankly it needs a buff. I dropped all my blunt weapon and melee nodes but i often find myself swapping to my hammer bc it does more damage than my wands

Like hitting some targets. My level 26 no perk, no buff hammer swings for 118 at 0.7 swing speed. This means 168.6 dps. My level 27 coiling wand with food buff and tree specced for magic does 77 damage and 37 on wand master at 0.6 swing speed. This equates to 146.8 dps. this doesn't equate for overcharge but still

[brave quest]

Go double shot wand with multishot and the chain effects

[coral juniper]

i have those too. My shroud wand by far is the highest dps as it also has the 30% for extra proj but it doesnt work on shroud enemies. This was largely for testing purposes

[half furnace]

this, and high crit chance.

[runic tree]

Wands definitely could use a bit more. Whether it be special attacks like what melee gets or alternative weapons that have different attack styles.

[brave quest]

Isnt there guranteed doubleshot wands

Lile luminous

[coral juniper]

ritual wand is (38*2 + 18 (.3))/0.6 for 135 dps. I am going to call the lighting chains a wash bc 2H melee inherently cleaves so you can do this damage to tons of enemies

[coral juniper]

yeah or ritual tempest, which i just tested

[brave quest]

Nothing competed with the guranteed multishots + high proc chance builds

For me anyways against crowds

But i play on survival with boosted mobs

So the % yield is gunna be alot mpre

[coral juniper]

I can only report on the numbers i have with me. Im sure things change once you go full meta with currents gems and soaking enemies and everything

[brave quest]

I also presumed some staff usage for opening fights

[coral juniper]

but the fact that on paper, a 2h weapon 1 level lower with no support at all out dps a wand with full gear and tree support (or even comes close for that matter), it seems a little weird

[brave quest]

I mean if played optimally wands are basically safe af and can aoe an entire crowd without using consumable resources

[half furnace]

wands are good for higher difficulty, since they are ranged and you get a shield to parry. while 2h might deal more damage, being in melee range on higher diff will mean ur dead. but for playing on normal or slightly harder, yea just stand there and mash away with 2h

[brave quest]

On survival+ being able to stay out of melee but retaining parry is not to be slept on

Compared to melee or bow swapping

[coral juniper]

yeah im on default settings and certainly feels like there is a power gap. That being said the distance does feel good without a doubt. Even with lower DPS, it feels safer to play bc you can cheese things too.

but there's almost no threat at all with the BONKERS healing you get from gemini rings on 2h. Like when it procs i healed for half my HP when i was full build

[brave quest]

Yeah the "safe" bonus of no need to really aim and have range and parry and aoe all in one is less cool when the threat level is down

[brave quest]

Tbf if your going 2h on higher amounts your healthbar is essentially a yoyo

[coral juniper]

overall i'll probably stick mage for a bit (bc i dont wanna recraft melee gear) and the option to use staff gives a little more variety than mash LMB

[brave quest]

Weird i had the opposite reaction

[coral juniper]

also certain enemies give me brain worms playing melee

[brave quest]

Found greatswords with evade strike alot more engaging than mage kabooms

[coral juniper]

haha i guess the grass is always greener. I feel like whenever you swap builds it feels exciting

[brave quest]

Nah its just because playing a mage with the samurai fell enemies is scary af since you basically cant build out of being one shot mid game lol

[coral juniper]

which ones are the samurai?

[runic tree]

My build shares 1H swords and staff spells so I get to enjoy both in most situations.

[brave quest]

The sword dudes in the fell with the black iron sword that yolo rush you

Or their lesser kind the mace bros

They are easier to parry tho so less scary

[coral juniper]

i haven't foudn them too bad

[brave quest]

Do they one shot you on your settings?

[coral juniper]

hollow reapers on the other hand... death

[runic tree]

The only melee Fell I find annoying are the ones with shields. Mainly because they're just tanky AF.

[brave quest]

The perks for extra stun just 💀 them

They pack a surprisingly strong hit tho

[coral juniper]

yeah same, the commanders are just sponges

[brave quest]

One shot my ranger build friend on survival lmao

[runic tree]

If the Merciless stun system filled more they wouldn't be as bad, but they're almost dead by the time that stun bar fills up.

[coral juniper]

and they're mad distracting when you are trying to wittle them down but you got flowers and jellyfish shooting you from off screen lol

[brave quest]

Yeah i dont care a out merciless

I just stun them for a easy mop up bc they are a pain if just running around

[runic tree]

Merciless stun fill progress needs a 50% boost to its baseline fill rate at the least imo.

[brave quest]

If you spec for it its decent, id almost say some enemies need a tad more health

[coral juniper]

should i got gem of corruption or storm's eye on wand?

[brave quest]

Since speeding up merciless is still just essentially the same process of beating them down

[runic tree]

With how spongy some enemies are I'd prefer the bar fill faster over more health tbh.

[brave quest]

Without heavy handed tho its definitely a bit trialing to interact with the syste.

Makes it feel more like a gateway tax than a perk

But with evasion strike and heavy handed

I stun guys all the time

Its more often if they give me a block to let me do thay

Than an issue if i can

[trim sun]

The bow guys that throw the shroud bombs at you then run

[brave quest]

If you dont play to stun tho your sorta not gunna do it which i think is fine it pairs well with preserving your stamina on bigger fights

Usually i bash everything down if i think my stamina will be enough or go for evade stun picks if i think swinging in is doomed

Also greatsword etc.

Generally gunna just mog whatever you are on

I feel like a proper red green daggers build can stun very well

And also benefit from merciless

[runic tree]

They're a nusiance, but I still find the shield ones more annoying.

[trim sun]

They just run and you have to chase them lol I hate it

[wild cypress]

Of course we can, we're the colors of life and blood.

Also commanders = lock on and roll past them, then backstab the stuffing out of them

[pure bobcat]

You all with your various melee builds should just be glad that the fell shield guys actually get stunned when you fill up their stun bar. Wands and bows don't have that luxury... 🤣

[wild cypress]

Doesn't lightning fill stun bar fast?

[pure bobcat]

Lightning spells, yes (because they specifically say that they do stun damage). Otherwise, no. But the bigger issue is that filling the stun bar by most means other than melee doesn't actually stun them. It is very strange.

[coral juniper]

Ok dagger lord

[supple eagle]

Yup and lightning spells don't directly interact with the stun bar much. You can melee or bow stun without the meter full, as well. Shield bash and drop smash and such.

[stark lake]

Yeah I love filling a stun bar with my lightning wand and then the mob charges me instead of getting stunned 🙂

[coral juniper]

Also, who needs the lightning stun bar when terror exists

[stark lake]

That requires using a staff though, I'm wand boi

[supple eagle]

Stuns from lightning are a proc, not you filling their stun meter.

[coral juniper]

im also a wand boy (for now, see my angry rant like 20 messages ago), but terror is the equivalent of when i would use a greatsword backup for single target foes like berserkers to just stunlock them

[pure bobcat]

Wait, even for spells like chain lightning? (Without any perks or anything, just the spell). I actually did not realize this.

[stark lake]

Yes but filling the stun bar stuns them if you do it with melee, should do the same with magic

[coral juniper]

I can stun commanders with my wand, but it seems to only be bc of the shield damage

[supple eagle]

But it generally don't from what I have seen

[coral juniper]

like hitting a blocking enemy

[brave quest]

Dont need stun if you have greatsword

Just place enemy into permanent confused state

[coral juniper]

yup its kinda wild. I keep one as a backup when i run into specific enemies

[pure bobcat]

Do they actually stop moving and attacking you though? For me, they do not stop, even when the grey bar is full.

[coral juniper]

yeah they get the swirly and stop

but like i said the only person i've hit enough with a wand to get it is the fell commanders and my guess is because it happens since you are damaging their shield, not the tradition method of stunning

[pure bobcat]

That is puzzling. Why does it work differently on my machine??

[coral juniper]

lol no clue, it sounds like you aren't alone tho

[stark lake]

Every shieled enemy I face and I fill their stun bar with my lightning wand they just charge me soon as its full

[pure bobcat]

For me this is the case with any wand (damage type doesn't matter). I have heard from others that this is also how it works with arrows.

[stark lake]

I wasn't sure, but since mine is lightning and havn't really seen those mobs before that I assumed it was related

[young lantern]

This might be a dumb question or has probably been asked before but... Is anyone else getting random gem effects procs? My friend keeps spawning skulls on merciless attacks and I had the gem of agility effect yesterday and none of us has those slotted in...

[wild cypress]

Known issue, please report with F1 in your game, hoping for a fix soon.

[proven breach]

So are tank builds not really a thing with agro not working well? Hollow Halls aside

[winged frigate]

I play melee with a mage friend and the nemesis skills seem to work well for 'taunt'

Have not tested it extensively but seems to help usually

[brave quest]

It can be selective, it definitely doesnt work when my ranger buddy shoots something 1km away but that somewhat is to be expected

[runic tree]

Yeah, the issue isn't so much that it doesn't work (with the exception of Hollow Halls), but more that it seems to be inconsistent about when it decides to share aggro with the user.

[brave quest]

Wish they would staple some other benefit to it so i dont have to worry about it being a pure nothing burger lol

Could honestly just be rolled into the tower or warden and then stack if having both imo and the fuss would be less around it

[quiet nebula]

Where is exactly do I find Wanda like Theese?

I played with my buddy on his world last year and I’m getting back into it. I created my own world now.

[fleet field]

Lvl 45 weapons (upgradeable to 50) can drop from chests in the highest level areas around northwest Veilwater

[left wraith]

That is certainly a weird website

[pure bobcat]

I feel this way about all the skills that are useless in solo play. It's okay with me if the skill is more useful in co-op than solo (like, say, Water Aura), I just wish they wouldn't make it useless in solo like the Nemesis skill or skills that deal with revival.

Or I guess they could add an optional summon or NPC companion or something, which would also solve the issue.

(Like a permanent one, not the necromancy stuff).

[indigo ore]

I was severely disappointed when I learned that the beastmaster skill tree does not, in fact, let you summon beasts

seems like that would be an easy way to add single player "teammates" to the game

[cunning mural]

I was severely disappointed when I learned that the Assassin skill tree does not, in fact, let you Stealth Attack or be Assassiny in any way.

but it sure does let you Carpet Bomb.

[indigo ore]

have 1% extra bomb arrow damage instead

[cunning mural]

"Time to be an assassin" "MISSILES INBOUND!"

[indigo ore]

One would assume that the assassin tree would be for skillshots, compared to the ranger tree that has multishot

or at least I did before I read through all the skill descriptions

[cunning mural]

you'd think they'd want to put some backstab stuff on the assassin tree

and maybe move the assassin tree so its closer to the "melee" build section, instead of near the "mage" section

the Ranged tree is basically:
"Food + Stamina related stuff"
"Daggers + Poison Resist + Animal "taming""
"Ranged Weapons and arrow damage + multishot and float in mid air during shots (this should totally be a mage+range ability and cost mana to use instead of stamina)"
"Assassin... crit chance... magic to stun enemies... explosives are essentially better..."

Assassin makes no sense

[fleet field]

Assassin/stealth I think is just undercooked. Stealth mechanics are tough to dev and balance but I do hope it gets built out in the near future

[pure bobcat]

It feels like the explosive perks (the stun and chain-reaction), and one of the multishot perks (the one that magically duplicates arrows) and of course Bee Sting, are indeed very magic-adjacent.

And I think the Ranger/Dex-build confusion is not unique to this game. It seems like a lot of game settings are trying to aim for a sort of Aragorn-Legolas-Robin Hood hybrid for the aesthetics of what a "ranger" is. But, mechanically, the skills of those characters and characters similar to them throughout fiction are all over the place.

[fleet field]

I think we've talked ranger traps before, but I think that'd be a great way to add some more versatility

[pure bobcat]

Like the traps the scavengers (presumably) deployed? That sounds cool, but I'm not sure I trust the ai pathfinding enough that I'd feel comfortable using them...

[fleet field]

Something I liked about Dragon Age Inquisition was being a ranger and jumping backwards while throwing a bunch of mines out

[cunning mural]

Ranger could use a giant overhaul for its skill points

daggers, stealth attack bonuses, backstab, things of this nature should be closer to the melee tree side of skills
while the magical stuff like bee sting, stun reaction chain, miltishot, ect could be closer to the magic tree side of skills

then put the animal taming and food/stamina buffs on their own tree, along with poison resist. and then the ranged damage with crit chance and stuff could go on the main bow-damage section.

[brave quest]

I mean if they are branching out of the tree i dont care if they are useless for solo

just moreso since the effect is so notoriously sporadic at this point

id rather it get some other budget

[potent pebble]

can i craft and upgrade weapons to lvl 50?

[supple eagle]

I want to say L50 is the max possible weapon level at the moment.

[noble coral]

You might be able to craft weapons.
No, upgrading them to level 50 isn't in the cards, because that way people would never go outside and touch grass.

[supple eagle]

🤨

[noble coral]

I talk about the crafted weapons. They're just blue.

[supple eagle]

People already posting L50 OP items from Cheat Engine. I don't see any issue with found and/or crafted weapons being upgradeable to the max.

[supple eagle]

I will literally never ever use a crafted weapon due to this simple fact.

[noble coral]

I only for bragging options

Which means decor

[supple eagle]

Who am I gonna brag to? The Bard? Screw that guy. 😉

[noble coral]

You'd need to see my friends envy my golden palace of unmatched greed

[supple eagle]

I tried to show my girlfriend. She probably could have cared less, if she really tried.

[noble coral]

Just tell her it's how men do work. We need this.

[brave quest]

Love mah sword torch

But lore items are pretty explicitly there as filler if you have some poor luck finding specific weapons as they stated in the update

[noble coral]

Sworch.

[supple eagle]

Tword doesn't work, so yes Sworch.

[stark lake]

I love weapons that work as torches, except when they clip into walls and then boom, dark lol

[fleet field]

I totally will put a better damage weapon in storage if it doesn't glow

[pure bobcat]

I'm curious if going out into the world to find a legendary/high-level material (for crafting weapons) would feel similar to you as going out into the world to find a legendary/high-level weapon. EDIT: Assuming the two were similarly difficult to find. That is, are you concerned that going out to loot rare materials would feel bad, or are you concerned that the devs might remove the need for us to venture out and explore at all? (Because if it's the second one, then yes I agree that would not be good, but on the other hand I suspect that exploring for crafting materials would feel better to me personally).

[noble coral]

crafting materials are easily to get by and if they'd raise the quantities people would cry. Blue vanity/story-weapons are meant to be a bad-luck protection, by no means a way to get around exploring stuff.

[pure bobcat]

"crafting materials are easily to get"
Fair point. I just wish this wasn't necessarily the case, so that some would be "difficult" enough to craft legendary things without making them feel cheap.

[fluid light]

a lot of crafting material is not easy to get.

But if I could craft weapons, I wouldn't have this sword/daggers/wand... lottery...

[noble coral]

I can get behind that feeling, also the need to have the possibility to craft a legendary weapon, really.
But crafting will always be the "easier" way to handle than wait for fortuna and RNG to have your back.

[noble coral]

For nothing in this game you'll definitely need a endgame legendary weapon.
In fact, it just makes things faster - I cleared all of Veilwater with my Albaneve daggers and still haven't found replacements.

[pure bobcat]

Well, it would be the more reliable way, for sure, since anything would be more reliable than the current true-random loot pools.

It may also be that I'm just unusually RNG-averse.

[noble coral]

Again, I can feel that. But there's still (I think) the 45 blue variant which can be upgraded level 47. That's enough to conquer the biome.
It'll just not be the fastest way, that's still for RNG and lucky people.

[supple eagle]

I don't hate RNGesus. RNGesus hates me 😉

[fluid light]

I am agree there is no need to have legendary weapons. On the other side, if we would count how many level 45 players get killed from the Drak Boss OR from this killer hornet, I know the favorite killer... That another part of the "problem". And if I have a rare 48 1 H sword and find only legendary 50 daggers, that's frustrating and another problem too.

[strange sluice]

This is my current bow. Can I increase the level from 37 into the 40s? My character is 41 and my flame altar is 8

[cunning mural]

nope. only modders/cheat engine users can do that.

[strange sluice]

Gotcha. I thought I was able to at one point, but I must've misremembered.

[wild cypress]

Just keep marking and farming gold chests, soldier. 🍀 ❤️

[exotic thicket]

Since it is a lore item, can't he just recraft it at a later flame level?

[wild cypress]

Crafted Lore items are not at the same tier, so they lose some of their bonus effects from being leveled, and they currently max out at level 39. They're more intended to "get you by" or to use for display IMO.

[rose fern]

/upvote Honestly they should patch this, and make it equivalent to the current max level or one level under max since a lot of these weapons are pretty strong. And just rebalance the crafting to require more materials to craft/upgrade special weapons to make it fair. So tier 9 camp should offer level 44 crafting, and just increase the materials and gold costs.

[next sonnet]

where is the chat where i can send my wishes for environments? Nows that someone 🙂

[wild cypress]

Devs won't see you say it here; check out Feature Upvote and make your voice heard!

[rose fern]

I’d much rather invest a lot of resources I wouldn’t use anyway to get better gear,

[exotic thicket]

oh, i thought the system was to allow you to continue to use a weapon that you liked for your build and being able to have it scale with you as you leveled.

[wild cypress]

Type /upvote, friends! This is how you share wishes with devs!

[next sonnet]

very nice i play on bow and i will that item too 😜

[next sonnet]

thank you is it possible that you send me a short screenshot i dont founded

[wild cypress]

Like this...

[lilac prism]

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[rose fern]

I don’t see the specific topic he’s talking about when I type in crafting in the search menu though

What would be the specific keywords I’d need to find this topic?

[wild cypress]

It is good to search, always do that first, but if you don't see the thing you want you can submit your own requests (there are guidelines, it's also on the site).

That said there is one already.

https://enshrouded.featureupvote.com/suggestions/595446/higher-rarity-player-crafted-weapons

[brave quest]

I think the idea is that you shouldnt be procuring your best weapon within the confines of your base.

Players will optimize the fun out things =/= just use the same weapon forever because its the "best"

[rose fern]

But let’s be honestly RNG chest farming is not a fun mechanic in a survival game. Especially for mages who use specific elements and can’t find reasonable upgrades for their gear that Aline with their builds. I stopped playing mage simply because I wanted to be a fire lighting mage and I can’t find lighting wands or staves. I mean look at games like Skyrim where you can craft what ever you want if you have the right recourses. Same with MMO and other survival games like Valhiem or 7d2d. You find blueprints and then craft using those blueprints.

[wild cypress]

I have fun with RNG treasure hunting.

[sullen crater]

Me too, the game isn't so hard that you're heavily punished for not having super-optimized gear.

It isn't awfully polite to say someone's personal preference makes you want to vomit, you know.

[wild cypress]

It's possible that different folks have different takes on RNG. It's possible that's the reason why the above feature upvote I linked isn't as heavily upvoted as some other things. No need to puke emoji react what I enjoy, bud.

[sullen crater]

That said, if there was an option to craft a lvl 50 legendary, of course I would, but I just don't feel too strongly in either direction.

[rose fern]

I mean I play on the harder difficulty and when you’re not dealing enough damage the game does feel pretty punishing. Most enemies don’t have stagger mechanics so as a melee hero if you can get enough hits in your fights can’t just feel like damage sponges.

[wild cypress]

One of the coolest things about Enshrouded is you can alter nearly every aspect of it yourself to match your playstyle. You coming in here saying the entire game should match your preferences obviates that you're missing a huge point of how the game is offered to the player.

[rose fern]

lol I didn’t mean no harm in it. It’s fine if you enjoy the RNG crafting, I just don’t agree with it. If that how the game plays then it is what it is.

[wild cypress]

There's the Shroud Depot for anyone who feels undergeared unfairly.

[rose fern]

I’d just prefer to use the hundreds of resources I have investing in gear I want rather than it sitting in my stash and trying to find chest for gear. Make the game feel more like Borderlands or Division, rather than a survival crafting game is all I’m saying.

To be fair we can’t even upgrade armor the same way as weapons right now. So there’s defiantly a different gearing style for this game then in other games of the genre.

[wild cypress]

I mark gold chests as I find them and each session I go hit them up, some just take a few minutes to hit several endgame-level chests, and with teleports it's quite handy. I feel like there are solutions to what you want, at least for the most part.

[strange sluice]

Should I be farming all gold chests, or just the ones in high level areas?

[rose fern]

Only farm the gold chests for the level your currently at, there’s an interactive map that tells you the level of each chest and your nice you hit the next threshold with is every 5 levels you should only farm those.

[wild cypress]

I also farm the ones that are very quick in and out, not gonna waste an hour punching through ungrateful mobs lol

[rose fern]

You can farm just endgame chests at lower level however, there’s no level requirement for gear

[sullen crater]

I just run around having adventurous fun, and when I remember there's a chest somewhere, I pop over. Or I forget and find it again. 😄

[fleet field]

There some BiS weapons that only have a chance to drop from certain enemies. The ones in Veilwater are conveniently close to chests at least with not too many supporting enemies around them. Plus bonus gems for recycling into essence.

[brave quest]

I like mixing things up

I find it boring when its just find thing

Ignore all else bc i have achieved the thing for now

[wild cypress]

I think I said last night that keeping some element of gambling is the only way we're gonna get Jerma985 to hype this game haha.

[strange sluice]

Where can I find this map?

[brave quest]

I think its just a good example of not knowing what you want and you think you know but you dont know

Now end end game?

If they flesh that out

[wild cypress]

The official wiki has a map but it's not fully up to date; I mean that you mark them on your own map as you find them.

[brave quest]

Maybe a good time for some capstone end game content type weapons

[strange sluice]

Ah, okay, yeah I have done that

[brave quest]

But throughout the game the weapon cycle is a good of the sorta content loop

And armor is crafted as well in a large degree so the system does cut the different in alot of ways

[solid star]

We need more craftable armor sets for the current biome, what we have now is just not enough, especialy compared to earlier biomes

[wild cypress]

Ghillie suit for grasslands, armadillo armor set for Kindlewastes, Rock Lord armor for Nomad Highlands. 😆

(If you are old enough to remember Rock Lords we are probably friends)

[tall cliff]

what is acid bite even good against? it feels like im throwing a bowl of cold wet noodles on the enemy.

[plucky gyro]

compaired to how it used to be... you are

the only way it has ANY real merit is when it's reliably used with a ground shot frostbolt. so your enemies are slow walking through that stuff.

[supple eagle]

Is there any reason (other than my OCD loot-goblin ways) to keep staff charges if you have put zero points or effort into staves, and never use them?

[clever scaffold]

Must keeps everything ................precious

[supple eagle]

Well, yes, but... is there a reason in this case? Like is there something I am missing?

[fleet field]

Not an immediate reason, no.

BUT

• are you a loot goblin?
• do you like collecting all the things?
• it's an EA game - is there a nagging "what if they change..." that haunts you?
• is there a tiny chance you'll start a staff using character?
• are you a loot goblin?

[indigo ore]

the issue with being a loot goblin is that your storage room pays for your hubris

My main character isn't a mage and I've spent 80 hours deleting every spell I pick up and have not once been punished for it

[lusty dagger]

Is chain lightning supposed to be viable against the dragon? I just tried it and I couldn't hit him.

[pure bobcat]

It probably is supposed to be, in the sense that it will increase bosses' stun bars when it hits, but (imo) it has serious range and targeting issues that make it frustrating to use. For now, you seemingly must allow your staff to "lock on" and if it can't you should stop casting because it will not hit.

[proven breach]

So whats up with identical weapons that have more levels? Do we want higher max levels?

[wild cypress]

That's exactly it; cause they can be upgraded (up to five levels if Legendary), but their starter level is based off of where you find them.

[proven breach]

Sweet, so general rule of thumb is higher the max level the better, thanks!

[wild cypress]

Hai, hai.

[mellow snow]

Iis it possible to find legendary versions of all the games weapons? Like I've found some really cool ones but always Grey or green so can level up much. Do I just need to pray harder to the RNG gods

[fluid light]

Don't ask me for a lists, but not all weapons have legendary versions in the game. (and I am not sure, if all legendary weapons in the shroud depot are available in the game).

[fleet field]

I think I have 95% of level 45-50 legendaries, still chasing a couple difficult drops. But it's also RNG, sometimes the same boss/chest will drop a lower version instead of a golden version

[agile lance]

Are they planning to rework the Greatsword? The attack pattern is awful

[half furnace]

dont think they said anyting about that. your not alone, and if you have suggestions id say check out this website.

[lilac prism]

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[untold spindle]

Which is best and why

[supple eagle]

Commander. In all but a few situations - not many things are weak to shroud from what I have seen.

[dusty meteor]

I think the scavengers are

Not sure outside of them though

[supple eagle]

Right. Maybe animals too.

[stark lake]

You'd think everything but shroud would be weak to it 😛

[supple eagle]

Hell the Vukar are resistant and have buffs making them moreso.

[dusty meteor]

Suppose that makes sense considering we haven't run into any shroud infected Vukah

If they have natural resistance or immunity

[stark lake]

Wookies*

[reef gyro]

Ohhh thats an interesting theory

[wild cypress]

This is the best list I've found outside the wiki.
https://youtu.be/w9huo4aXLSE

[supple eagle]

Giant ewoks. Ewookies, I believe we decided upon.

[stark lake]

Works for me

[sullen crater]

Or maybe, being at least partly nomadic, they were just quicker to move away from dangerous zones?

They could also have a better sense of smell, that would alert them to the Shroud sooner...

[indigo ore]

I could have sworn an early lore note stated that the Vukah initially lived in underground caves, and had only become aggressive in recent times as the rising shroud displaced them to the surface

I assumed that by living underground they either knew of or had dealt with the Shroud before and long since taken precautions. But humans drilling for elixir agitated the shroud beyond what the Vukah could handle so they fled

[reef gyro]

I feel like I read something along those lines, too

[timid dirge]

Is there a thread with talent builds?

[fleet field]

not really, there have been some short-lived discussions but mostly just this channel where players share skill planner links and talk about them

[coral juniper]

yup, usually someone asks and then someone else whips up a quick tree. Honestly there isnt all that much build variaty. You kinda pick your focus and maybe sub focus then take the staples like doublejump or updraft then you take all the major nodes that improve your weapon of choice, then take all the relevant stats for your build

[wild cypress]

Then you wear a beanie upside down, spin three times with your cell phone held out the Westmost facing window of your residence and recite the ancient words spoke by the muffin pixies, backwards.

[fleet field]

does this work when the moon is waxing gibberish and pluto is in gatorade tho?

[wild cypress]

Only if you truly believe in the power of friendship.

https://tenor.com/view/never-give-up-fist-pump-motivation-motivational-gif-4892451

[plucky gyro]

if you need some builds here are two youtubers that host some awesome builds for melee, magic and range
https://www.youtube.com/04AMofficial
and

https://www.youtube.com/@Glitchiz

[tawny hinge]

As they said, builds aren't what you'd imagine. Your skill choice is dictated by the weapon you're using. Grab all relevant damage type and generic damage boosts. Get as much of yoir damage stat as you can stomach. Then get a secondary stat for a slightly hybridized build or grab some quality of life skills.

Then when a different weapon drops slightly reskill to improve its damage types. 🤷‍♂️

[molten walrus]

hey guys i just joined to ask whats probably a simple question but the wording in the skill tree is confusing me

does Arsonist increase the damage from

-"Magical fire damage" on my bow, my hammer, etc
-exploding arrows

or the actual skills that do fire damage like counter strike and radiant aur a

and similar to that, iceman perks, they stat "All fire damage" and "all ice damage" but i know that melee bonuses dont work on daggers etc etc. the wording on these skills gives me a brain attack

[wild cypress]

Your bow does "Ranged" damage, so any damage it does won't benefit from stuff that buffs magical damage. The damage types are Ranged, Melee and Magical.

[wild cypress]

Melee bonus absolutely works on daggers; you can test this yourself by using a test dummy from Athalan Skree; however the buff received is much less beneficial than things which buff dagger damage directly. What dagger damage doesn't get buffed by is stuff that is for one handed weapons.

The wording is confusing, I agree; please submit feedback using F1 to make your voice heard. ❤️ 🍀

[molten walrus]

so daggers are affected by strength or no? google told me no

i've been in twig collecting hell

haha

[wild cypress]

This is a case of bad wording; Strength does not raise Dagger damage, but it does raise 1h and 2h damage. This is a known problem, but again, if you give feedback it raises the pressure for this confusing (aka incorrect) wording to be fixed. Again you can test my claims yourself, I'm not going by my gut. :)

Daggers were added later in the game, not a part of the release plan, same with Greatswords.

[molten walrus]

this is my build right now and im playing on the max enemy count mode, if anyone can throw me some suggestions

i thought that the ice arrow and exploding arrow would scale with iceman and arsonist but apparently not. Or the arsonist bow at least because 'magical fire damage'

that

same with this for iceman

[wild cypress]

I will wait for a bow main to weigh in on this, maybe @tawny hinge will visit us tonight and bless us with his knowledge.

[molten walrus]

currently im trying to find a way to push the bow damage a little further, to two-shotting enemies territory simply because on this enemy count im sometimes getting overrun like in the bone zone dungeons

or whatever they're called

green fell dudes

[wild cypress]

Most people will tell you explodey-arrows are the solution to big groups but IMO that becomes less viable the higher the mob's level, cause they get not only more HP but more resistances.

[molten walrus]

but my thought was if i could buff the fire or ice magical damage it could buff the fire or ice sword etc

which would go such a long way in survivability

[wild cypress]

The green tree will have some helpful buffs, there is one that even add brief stun to explosive arrows, but the blue tree isn't built to benefit what your bow is doing. That said Keen does have an internal team working on a combat overhaul, so we can hope with enough time and feedback things will make more sense.

[molten walrus]

i feel like im too noob to give good feedback ngl

[wild cypress]

I think a new player's feedback is the most valuable, because you can see the issues with accessibility that some of us have become callous to ;)

[molten walrus]

other than maybe they should really clean up their keywords and stuff

[fleet field]

how many skill points do you currently have?

[molten walrus]

47, have a few shroud roots and wells near me to do

whats on the screen is everything other than the two in con that i was told by a friend are more or less mandatory

[fleet field]

Are you using exploding arrows much? Or relying on eternal ice

[molten walrus]

that was what i was building towards, currently im just spamming wood arrows because twigs are cheap and abundant

[fleet field]

ah ok

[molten walrus]

im carrying around 2k wood arrows at any time

[wild cypress]

lawrdt

[molten walrus]

im 3 shotting to the chest and 1-2 shotting to the head because i have the arrow wasting perks XD

both multishot ones

my understanding was that this would be more or less my mid-late game build now that i just got my farming online to get these resources

[fleet field]

Yeah you might want stick in multishot for a bit especially if you're not easily farming the explosive arrow resources. Eternal ice does benefit from the Mage ice damage but eternal ice also eats mana

[molten walrus]

yeah i was thinking that id grab this once i do that quest

then start on the mage stuff into the blue tree

[wild cypress]

Good combo with Eternal Ice Arrow 💙

[molten walrus]

does this just mean wands/staves?
i was hoping for a slyvanus build

[fleet field]

If you can spare some endurance I would pull some out of that part of the green tree and make sure you grab more dex for damage, put a few in tank tree for survival, or start down the magic tree if that's where you're heading

[molten walrus]

I might ditch some, I put a lot in because glider

and sprinting

how is that teleport dash skill btw? is it worth it?

my thought was deeper into damage then into battlemage or tank depending on my stats

[wild cypress]

The upside is that it can pull you out of a stun, but since it eats mana it's competing for resources VS your green tree feeds you lots of Stamina so dodge-rolls take a smaller portion of the pool.

The fun thing is respecs are cheap and easy so experimenting is encouraged. Plus don't forget you can change many different things in the game from the settings menu.

[molten walrus]

oh i thought respecs were legendary runeshaha

[fleet field]

nah they're the silver ones

[molten walrus]

i make like 1k of those in a run

whats up with this dog thing, is it worth getting a pet or will it just get stuck on walls and die?

[fleet field]

I think I leveled my ranger with skills something similar to this early game
https://enshrouded-skill-tree.com/?shortCode=696b158b5cacb48d53801dee

[wild cypress]

Pet pathing is dumb but they don't die and they also don't provide combat buffs or follow you off the base. Pet them and get +25 health for half an hour (same as the cat).

[molten walrus]

oh neat

[molten walrus]

i have most of those already, just need the two dex nodes haha

[molten walrus]

so the dog doesnt die, what about the thing where you ask a random animal to follow you in beastmaster

[wild cypress]

Never tested, will defer to others here. 🙇

[molten walrus]

i've heard beastmaster is too expensive of a tree

since part of it is spending like 10 points to make the wookies not attack you

(though having the perks just to have a base in a wookie village sounds fun)

[ionic viper]

The problem is that the wookies and beasts are not that common in the game to justify the skill dump.

[molten walrus]

beasts are pretty common

[ionic viper]

Not as common in end game.

[molten walrus]

even with this?

im running into packs of like 30 wolves in revelwood

i had a room full of pigs

so many pigs

[ionic viper]

Pigs are beasts, so yes they count.

Once again, you're just going to have to test the skill tree and see if you like it.

[indigo ore]

the issue with the skill tree is opportunity cost. Pacifying beasts is nice to have in a vacuum but by taking those perks, you're giving up perks elsewhere. There's a finite amount of skill points and not enough to unlock everything

[molten walrus]

Fair, i saw some high damage output beasts and thought theyd be useful,

Maybe ill take the skills for the journey then ditch them at endgame

Are there any good melee weapons that dont need a bunch of skill points to be viable?

[indigo ore]

unfortunately you can't actually take the beasts with you. You would think that the beastmaster tree would let you summon pets but alas, it does not

so the times that you can aggro beasts onto enemies are few and far between

[molten walrus]

Replace the capstone with a repaint of necromancer thats called druided and summons wolves

But with bow kills or something

'Packmaster'

i think if i got another green scale weapon like spears or something this build would be perfect

[ionic viper]

I can see the potential behind the beast skills, but as Chewy mentioned, nothing stays around like a pet.
It would be cool if they did. Nice to have a small army of NPCs to fight with.

[indigo ore]

I'd like something that works similarly to the cyber mastiff in Darktide. A permanent hound companion that pounces enemies and follows you at all times

[fleet field]

This is what I run for most adventuring with Ice Arrow, and if I need to go into something specifically with big crowds I move points out of Multishot and Spirit and put it into Chain Reaction and Shell Shock. BUT I also use daggers a lot which is not everyone's thing.
https://enshrouded-skill-tree.com/?shortCode=696b177e3476d5e7b2ebdaf2

[molten walrus]

make it like classic wow where you catch pets to learn their skills

Something to grind

then you give them a little skill tree, nothing fancy

are they damage or tanky and aggro pulling

just to be clear, arsonist bow's "magical fire damage" doesnt scale with arsonist skills? and do pyromaniac or counter-strike do that?

cause those might be worth it

having triple typed damage and some scaling

[ionic viper]

Now, with the recent skill changes, melee weapons with magic damage can be boosted by the magic damage skills in the wizard tree.

ice arrow included.

[molten walrus]

only melee weapons?

+ice arrow

[ionic viper]

Bows a well.

[wild cypress]

Ice Arrow counts as a magical attac

[fleet field]

Ice arrow + avalanche starter bow

[wild cypress]

I am unsure what about that, Asid, but I'll defer to people who've done and documented testing.

[ionic viper]

All _____ damage is inscreased.

[indigo ore]

does that only boost the damage contributed by the ice arrow itself or does it boost the bow's intrinsic damage as well?

[ionic viper]

I have not tested everything, but if you look up YouTube guides from endgame experts, they all refer to these damage boosts.

Watch some videos about the Great Sward and Ice Arrow.

[timid dirge]

Does anyone take blink without emergency blink? Feels like a wasted talent otherwise.

[half furnace]

if you want a faster dodge, with more range, you could use it without the emergency. but the amount of stuns in this game is high, so it makes emergency really good

[rare grove]

does the gem of swiftness add cutting damage even to weapons without any base cutting damage?

[half furnace]

yes

[rare grove]

thx

[mossy igloo]

Hi, I am having trouble aiming the staff ... is there a trick to this? The wand feels the same.

[wild cypress]

There are issues with some staff spells, we're hoping for a patch. A lot of folks are just using Fireball (like a grenade) to AoE mobs down in the meantime.

[mossy igloo]

Ok thanks. It is my first try with magic and very frustrating when overwhelmed with enemy attacks as both the wand and staff are slow response or just plain miss. And I am constantly running out of stamina trying to get away

[wild cypress]

Magic hits its stride around 20-25 but it's tough to start out with. You can do it!! 🍀 ❤️

[tawny hinge]

You run out of stamina more NOT on mage 😅

[plucky gyro]

you c an use the lock on feature. i'm not sure your keybind but using it but using it helps always hit your target. but it also auto turns your camera and body to always face your chosen target

[abstract compass]

so it seems your magic weapons get a buff with the mage perks

[sullen crater]

Is anyone else annoyed that most enemies are so stupid against ranged attacks?

I mean... even if you can't shoot yourself and can't reach whoever's shooting at you from above, it seems logical to me that any living creature would at least try to take cover, then.

[stark lake]

Nah I'm good with them staying where I can hit them

[sullen crater]

That I understand from a practical point of view. 😄 But still feels a little meh. 😅

[coral juniper]

There drive to attack you is higher than their will to survive

[ancient mantle]

So think i need to try and upgrade my jewelry collection (rings) any advice on what ring to go for with a mainly bow build but with a wand as secondary and also where to farm for them?

[wild cypress]

Ring of the Ancients is what a lot of folks are gonna say - Kindlewastes gold chests and fishing are gonna be the means to that (more success possible based on which fishing rod you use).

[ancient mantle]

I had seen this one mentioned elsewhere but seems very rare to be able to find it

[wild cypress]

I'm at level cap and still haven't found one. There are resource servers if you get desperate. I personally swear by my dual Gemini Rings, but I play a daggerbae.

[wide dagger]

is there a way to incease durability without randomly finding an anvil?

[ancient mantle]

There are craftable repair kits

[wild cypress]

Servers/worlds you can visit or download which have chests full of goodies that reload every half hour.

[wide dagger]

hot dang we need to progress more then! off to the dragon!

ty ty

[ancient mantle]

Well damn why don't I see these lol

[wild cypress]

https://discord.com/channels/1046840540550942720/1346947011060170816

Be careful to not take stuff you haven't got a quest for yet, you could soft-lock or break the quest.

Monster heads, crafting stations, etc.

[cloud canyon]

does anyone have problems with spells not hitting form the staff? some of my spells hit but dont do any damage.

[wild cypress]

Known issue; most are resorting to fireball with its AoE until this is patched.

May be helpful to get it fixed faster if you can bug report it (F1 in game).

[cloud canyon]

ok thank you i will do that

[wise rapids]

How long has this been going on?

[left wraith]

Since Wake of Water release; they're aware of it but due to fixing other bugs, adding content that didn't make it into the update and the holidays its fell through the cracks.

It's slated for either a patch (unsure when) or possibly the first update of 2026. Been busy with work so haven't been in here much to get info about upcoming things.

[primal rapids]

What level is the water zone

[wild cypress]

37-45.

[livid eagle]

anyone has a good build for the highest difficulty? going to do a run (since i hate myself) but dont know if to go a certain build or hybrid

[half furnace]

#combat-and-skills message

but if your playing with "enemy damage sliders" on 200% or lower any melee build does still work.

[livid eagle]

thnx, i will try it out

[sand isle]

Are wet dog and soak dog skills really necessary if i wanna play with violet storm and gem of currents ?

[left wraith]

Those are counter intuitive lol

You want to be soaked/wet longer, those skills and the armor in wake of water also makes it worse to use that gem

[sand isle]

The skills only reduced the stamina malus right ?

[half furnace]

yup

[keen tendon]

Anyone else get the feeling that dynamite arrow crafts are a little on the tedious side? Dynamite arrow 2 and 3 require a ton of work just for a measly 25 arrows which won't even be all that great in a fight. Starting to think going dynamite build is just not worth it. Or is there any talk of retuning this?

[proven breach]

Whats everyones opinion on the most fun/coolest perk/skill? (not including double jump and updraft)

[fleet field]

• Bee Sting
• Blink Attack + Evasion Attack
• Shockwave
• Multishot + Multishot Spread
• Terror

[wild cypress]

Kick is the funniest. :>

[wraith silo]

So can confirm that having Vukah Language and the other Beastmaster perks makes the Blackmire a literal walk in the park. It was kind of awesome being able to just... wander around the Vukah towns and hang out with them. Might have to put a base somewhere in there just to have some neighbors to pal around with.

[pure bobcat]

In my experience the melee enemies tend to path right under where I'm standing whenever I'm above an overhang or atop a structure. This is probably due to AI silliness, but it is actually somewhat effective. I cannot hit them through floors, and as soon as I jump down from my perch they will be nearby, and behind me.
And of course, this is when they don't just jump 5 meters (or more) through the air to attack me.

[sullen crater]

That is true. But when you're on a rock, they're sitting ducks, and that's the part I'm annoyed by.

[cunning mural]

would be kinda cool if they had some form of ranged attack, or with no ranged attack were smart enough to take cover

I am not sure how easy it is to program "take cover" though

[sullen crater]

Precisely! They may move around a bit etc, but not effectively, and sometimes they just stand there and get shot.

[cunning mural]

if the enemies had "Line Of Sight" I guess you could make it so they just "Move Left/Right until LoS is broken"

"if I can't see them, then they can't see me "

[naive matrix]

That one Fell Archer who spotted you from a mile away:

[pure bobcat]

I'm okay with most of them being foolish, but it would be interesting (and terrifying) if some elite enemies had a grappling hook and double jump, and could pathfind using them. I also feel like humanoid enemies (Scavengers, Vukah, and some of the more "energetic" Fell) could maybe climb ladders and grates.

[sullen crater]

Now, to be fair, this has been somewhat mitigated in Veilwater by the big Drak having grappling hooks.

But they don't pathfind, they just draw you in.

[naive matrix]

Imagine getting them to climb a really tall ladder while you're standing at the top just pelting them with arrows 😂

[cunning mural]

woah hold on... we already gave the elites the ability to leap 5 meters into the sky... double jump might be a bit excessive

[pure bobcat]

The thing is, if they make pathfinding better, they really need to make better stealth/evasion/line-of-sight to compensate.

[cunning mural]

absolutely

[fleet field]

lol I was gonna say some players were already unhappy they gave enemies a basic jump

[sullen crater]

It could be set as modifiable in the options, I guess?

[pure bobcat]

Currently, I am sometimes one of them, but that is because I think some of these melee enemies are not well-balanced for non-melee characters, and/or non-melee characters just aren't well-balanced in general. A jumping enemy shouldn't be super frustrating, if the rest of the balance were correct.

[fleet field]

New settings:

• turn off enemy ability to jump
• replace enemy weapons with pillows

[sullen crater]

Hmm, hitting people with pillows full of Shroud spores could be effective... 😄

I more meant something along the lines "advanced enemy tactical behavior on/off".

[fleet field]

oh yeah - there's some games where you can toggle enemy AI and at higher difficulties enemies find cover from ranged attacks, flank more, etc.

oof can you imagine if certain enemies could parry our fireballs back at us?

[pure bobcat]

I would gladly take this on occasion if we could also parry/block "magical" projectiles and attacks. The current block and parry restrictions for magic feel absurd to me.

Especially because the enemies don't abide by the same system.

[fleet field]

Yeah if we can parry baby dragon fireballs it would make sense to add this mechanic more globally

[pure bobcat]

Exactly. Last I checked, the fire damage from scavenger flaming arrows and flaming swords can't be blocked. Even though you can literally block the solid object which is carrying the fire. Also enemies happily block wand projectiles, ice vulture spit can be parried (but not blocked?) but banshee ice bolts can't (but sicklescythes can). It is extremely non-intuitive.

[cunning mural]

very inconsistent... also what is it with games making "magic attacks" unblockable?

[pure bobcat]

To me the simple rule would be : Does this attack/projectile cause AOE immediately on hit? Is it 2x or more larger than the player and their shield? If the answer is "yes" to either of those, it shouldn't be blockable. Otherwise, it should be blockable. And anything which can be parried, should also be blockable.

[fleet field]

well, probably magic not being classified as physical. Like how plate armor might be great for blocking a sword, but doesn't help prevent you from being roasted if you're set on fire

[cunning mural]

I accept "Weaknesses" to certain things, for instance in Zelda:
Metal Shield can't block a electric attack
Wooden shields can block fire attacks... but will catch fire and potentially be destroyed for doing so

[fleet field]

I guess realistically any armor would delay being roasted alive, but most games probably just skip to being roasted for simplicity

[cunning mural]

to be fair, I think of it as so:
"If I can hide behind a rock to prevent damage, I can hide behind a rock on my arm to prevent damage too"

[fleet field]

Maybe with high enough strength - rock armor would be heavy AF

[cunning mural]

I also love using a metal shield, to block fire from fire Lizalfos in Breath Of The Wild.

I think you will catch fire if blocked for long enough though, cause of the heat

[pure bobcat]

I feel like this makes sense for magic in many novels and other settings, which often is non-physical (for example, a psychic attack or an internal one) but in this game (and most games, I think) magic attacks actually are physical. Fire, shards of ice, lightning bolts, acid sprays, etc. are physical things, and if you can stop them from touching you, you should be able to negate much or all of the harm.

[wraith silo]

Green bastards just start "Whup-whup-whup-whup" helicoptering up to you.

[cunning mural]

and to be fair, I feel like "Acid Bite" should be blockable for the innitial attack, (blunt attack that should stun the player) but not for the AOE on the ground.

if they want to make it so non-magical shields, can't block magical attacks... can we at least make wards better by letting those block magical attacks?

[cunning mural]

with how fast they swing their swords, I wouldn't be surprised to see them T-pose and spin-fly toward me

[pure bobcat]

Indeed, and likewise flamethrowers shouldn't be blockable, whether they are magical or merely mechanical (the fire spreads everywhere and would flow around your shield).

[cunning mural]

to be fair, I would still like to "block" flamethrowers, but more in a "reduced damage" situation

sure, my arm should still burn but let me block some of the flames

50% damage situation seems fair for "blocking most of the fire"
or something... so far the go-to is literally "stand in the fire and keep swinging"

[wraith silo]

♫I can reach, to the sky! Sky Dancers!♫

[cunning mural]

I hate to say this... I am surprised the Banshee's don't have a sound-based attack. I feel like it'd make sense for them to do some kind of scream-stun

[wraith silo]

If the magic shields had higher specific elemental resistances to them, I could see that working. Anti-poison shield, anti-fire shield, anti-Shroud shield, etc.

[cunning mural]

better than the irl assault on my ears whenever I kill one.

[cunning mural]

they... kinda do, but I think they are a flat stat-resistance, and don't require blocking

[wraith silo]

Yeah, I know, I'm saying it could be an actual use-case for the magic shields aside from just aesthetics and RP.

Low block and not great parry, but they'd let you actively reduce elemental damage significantly.

[cunning mural]

that could be nice

wards need a buff, and I say this after they got buffed with mana regen.

[pure bobcat]

I also wouldn't want to lock ordinary shields out of blocking attacks, both for consistency and because many of these magic things are made of matter. I would rather see Wards become more unique by, say, using Mana rather than Stamina, or absorbing blocked damage into mana, or charging up a retaliation attack... something that feels really magical, rather than simply "hey I can block this thing that a plate of metal cannot block (even though it should)".

[cunning mural]

to be fair, if a magic fire ward could absorb a flamethrower blast, reducing all damage to 0... that'd be cool
if I could block one of the "shroud" projectiles the banshee's use into a shroud themed ward, and even got mana back? that'd be cool

[fleet field]

Adding passive resistances into wards was a baby step, I love these other suggestions there's a lot of potential

[pure bobcat]

Hmm, maybe. I also like the concept of attaching a Ward to a Bow or Staff (since it is transparent) and letting it block attacks while you aim.

[cunning mural]

magic needs a buff in general, more utility

where's my teleport spell? gimme blink, or levitation while inside my flame altar area. or boar juicing spell

[pure bobcat]

Blink exists, though. It just doesn't give i-frames or non-collision. (I think it should, especially now that I know it cancels stealth while rolling does not).

[cunning mural]

also maybe blend magical and physical into a super cool shield? one we aquire from a quest??

https://tenor.com/view/the-legend-of-zelda-zelda-twinrowa-koume-kotake-gif-18633136

[cunning mural]

and uh, when I think of blink I think of "enderpearl" lol

I want to pick a spot and go to it, not... slightly different dodge

but do the classic "Needs Line Of Sight" thing, where you can't aim a blink upward into a ceiling. only down or across gaps.
maybe make the range... 1 long double jump

[pure bobcat]

That is a good spell idea : it teleports you to wherever the spell is aimed.

[fleet field]

The new dome magic shield spell isn't great right now but there's some potential

[cunning mural]

I saw it, still haven't tried it... it sounds cool, but I don't mage

actually I want the "Healer" class to get a new role... "Support"

not just healing, let them give us buffs, like running faster

I will carry a staff on me with the sole purpose of "zoomies"

[fleet field]

I'd like to make a warrior/tank with some magic just to use a few spells like Magic Shield and heal and be a paladin. Or a titan from Destiny 2.

[cunning mural]

+10% speed increase, +1.5% speed per point of intelligence of caster, end game mages make us go extra zoomies
increased jump height spell? reduced stamina consumption?

[pure bobcat]

There is a deeper issue with defensive or support spells right now, however: Anything that is not a combat spell (as in, a thing that can defeat enemies readily) has a huge opportunity cost, because you can only have one spell ready to fire from the staff, and must scroll through the list to switch them. Without a very different control scheme or passive auras or something I'm not sure how one gets around that.

[cunning mural]

I feel like, done right, a "Healer/Support" character could become the new "most desired ally"

[fleet field]

Yeah, we need a few more keybind options or something to make defensive/support work better.

[cunning mural]

oh, the "Tome"

I actually had this discussion before here, lol

oh I said it in Enshrouded chat apparently: #enshrouded-chat message

basically the idea is, a "Quiver" for spells, that changes it from a "Scroll list" into a right-stick style selection circle. and it subdivides the circle the more spells you have. if you want 11 spells, it divides the circle into 11 slices

equipping a tome could also add bonuses to damage, like an electric tome could give +10% shock damage or something

[fleet field]

It's already in the suggestions, but dagger ranger unable to use shield or wards, 2h not able to use shields or wards, etc. - More items that take the shield/ward slot would be so nice

Tome, Quiver... hmm what would go there for 2h builds?

[cunning mural]

the point of the Tome / quiver is to hold ammo and remove it from the storage, its a "ranged" exclusive

[fleet field]

Hmm so 2h would probably still use one of those for secondary ranged I guess

[cunning mural]

no more arrows in your hot bar, and similar to a "Glider" equipping a tome or quiver takes it out of the inventory. and can not be unequipped without emptying its contents into your inventory first.

the point though is just to clear up inventory space for the ranged players. especially spellcasters

cause lets be honest, a ranger has 4 arrows at most, lol

[fleet field]

Yeah, which is an important QoL and also the slot is wasted otherwise

[cunning mural]

this doesn't change though, that they could simply add new rings...

we have rings of health and Stamina... How about rings of Strength and Intelligence?

I think some even kinda do that, but not dedicated enough.

it's a little crazy that the ring of the ancients is the only one that does like, all damage types. and I think there's one for fire damage and one for ice damage...

[left wraith]

No more rings unless I can wear a third one

You know where

[cunning mural]

oh yeah, ear-rings

good idea

[fleet field]

Toe rings?

[left wraith]

No..

[left wraith]

Higher

[cunning mural]

oooohhhh, nose ring

[left wraith]

Lower

[cunning mural]

toe rings?

[left wraith]

Belts are rings, right

[cunning mural]

I mean, belts are belts

but I will accept a strength belt

[left wraith]

Back when I was still working on my game I had envisioned too many equipment slots.

[cunning mural]

I think Enshrouded needs a couple more "Accessories/Equipment" slots
like... maybe 3?

and a ton more cosmetic slots, like one for each kind of weapon.

[left wraith]

Once modding capabilities are introduced I’ll be rebalancing the entire game

[cunning mural]

"Cosmetic armor" page should be changed into "Cosmetic page" and let us change everything, weapon, shield, armor, cape...

[left wraith]

No capes

[cunning mural]

hear me out

please?

[misty sedge]

Capes would be good

[cunning mural]

I think "Backpack" and "Cape" slot would be a fun cosmetic thing

not separate though, you can have one or the other. and armor like "Soldier" can have its cape removed or hidden.

[misty sedge]

Some armors would really benefit from being able to hide their capes

[fleet field]

After release if Keen wanted to add mtx for cosmetics to support more dev I think I would be fine with it. Assuming it's not silly expensive like poe2

[misty sedge]

And I want to put the Mountain's Shadow cape on everything

[cunning mural]

and some ganondorf armors would really benefit from being able to add a cape...

[left wraith]

You’re banned

[left wraith]

I’m deaf

[cunning mural]

I just want my ganondorf to be more accurate...

[misty sedge]

I said what I said

There's no downside other than cosmetic clipping, and that's an issue they have with a bunch of armor sets anyway

[cunning mural]

plus, if I can equip a backpack cosmetically... this is a pretty cool looking backpack. but you know what would really improve it?

A giant red X across it

[noble coral]

https://tenor.com/view/agt-americas-got-talent-stop-buzzer-no-gif-4434972

[cunning mural]

I would love it if I could wear the "X'd out" backpacks, lol

[sand isle]

What's the best greatsword to use at level 45 actually ?

[serene badge]

• guard of the north has the highest crit, if you want more battlehealer procs.
  https://enshrouded.wiki.gg/wiki/Guard_Of_The_North_Sword

• megalodon if you go for wet dog, making enemies wet + gem of currents
  https://enshrouded.wiki.gg/wiki/Megalodon_Greatsword

• rivalry has the highest base damage
  https://enshrouded.wiki.gg/wiki/Greatsword_Of_Rivalry

i think those 3 are the best, depending what you like to do

[sullen crater]

I'm using Guard of the North, I really like its design, though I'm tempted to go back to an axe for my 2H.

[fluid light]

I am agree, same than 1H sword, I understand why players want a sword, it looks good. Just because of the values, I would also take a look at clubs and axes. There are weapons with better values, in my opinion.

[sullen crater]

Axes also have a more AoE moveset.

They're better for a crowd.

[maiden vigil]

What would be some of the best one handed melee weapons? I'm currently using the Dragon Sword and I feel underpowered. Suggestions?

[fluid light]

I have a Freshblood Mace against Draks, a dark morning star against others (and because of the design) and a Nova Sword (for all enemies and for night). But if these 3 are the "best weapons"? It's enough for the current enemies.

(And I carry 3 2H wepons too)

but I am not a fighter/weapon expert 😉

[maiden vigil]

Hey, any help is good enough for me. I appreciate it.

[coral juniper]

Is it just me or do wands have a suuuper long delay before you can dodge. Like maybe longer than 2h.

[pure bobcat]

I really like the idea of belts, and amulets/necklaces are also a pretty common concept that feels like it's missing. Especially because Enshrouded goes to a lot of effort to portray a culturally and economically vibrant pre-collapse world, but we barely see any in-game accessories other than rings and some purely cosmetic head-wear like crowns or circlets.
And also, 4 ring slots (2 per hand) is a logical extension since you can usually wear this many rings irl without risking them catching against one another, and this could be balanced by disallowing two or more identical rings.

I need to search for belts on feature upvote sometime, and I'm probably going to vote it up regardless of whether I find clothing belts or conveyor belts.

[pure bobcat]

I can't confidently say whether or not they are longer than 2H, but there is a significant delay. In general, you can't assume that new actions will cancel the previous one until the animation is done.

[coral juniper]

Yeah, like daggers is insanely fast by comparison. You can block at almost any point. I just notice myself getting creamed at times with wands bc of the delay.

Guess I just gotta learn the spacing and timing better

[vital depot]

yeah that delay kinda sucks, makes me think that its coded as a channel

[coral juniper]

I also think it's tied to the projectiles which is where it gets weird. Like if you have a shroud wand and you fire 4 projectiles it has a much longer delay than if you dont have a multicast wand (despite the wand animation being the same)

[sand isle]

Can the greatsword of the old order spawn at lvl 50 ?

[maiden vigil]

What's the best gem for a bow??

[bronze hollow]

depends what bow youre using and your playstyle.

[maiden vigil]

I'm more of a melee build.

[serene badge]

nope, sadly not

[tawny hinge]

Focused light let's you get a ton of damage on a hard to reach enemy as a fight starts. Not as useful in the middle of the fight but if youre trying to one-shot a flier or Bowman to draw the fight to you, I think its fine.

[sand isle]

How is the goldlaced greatsword lvl50 compared to other gs ?

[half furnace]

its pretty nice. 2 wasted perks on merciless tho. but it has the crit damage perk which is one of the best perks for a greatsword. and it looks quite fancy

[sand isle]

The best greatswords are ugly T.T

[half furnace]

i agree some of the more natural looking greatswords are low level or have less stats, the difference in stats is not game changing though. i find myself picking the best looking ones over stats. if you really want to go all the way you can use mods to make the weapon you want to play with. tho, the limits/rules of the game make the game interesting, and mods that remove those limits might break your interest in the game.

[serene badge]

still not sure which gem to use on greatsword.

bleeding is kinda useless, cause everything dies in 1-2 hits.

bloodlust and lycanthropy require you to pick up orbs. not sure i wanna pay attention, stop swinging and get that orb, seems annoying.

battlemania maybe, but definitely not while in the shroud, cause you need the elixir buff.

currents probably? gotta get wet tho.

ot just agility? extra cutting damage after an evade attack

[half furnace]

agility is usefull for the stamina it gives, so you can dodge or dodgeattack more. i find gem of soul reaping also usefull, since it heals quite much. maybe gem of overpowering vs the blocking ones is usefull, but ive almost never used that one over the others.

[serene badge]

yea i gotta test how much overpowering really does.

also Swiftness sounds interesting "Attacks will inflict bonus cutting damage after sprinting for a short time, and the duration refreshes every time damage is dealt"

[half furnace]

its nice that it stays on while fighting. looks funny aswell with the green glow it gives your character

[serene badge]

yea it seems like the most simple way, just sprint a bit first, then slice away.
can all gems upgrade to 50 btw?

[half furnace]

yup

[serene badge]

alright sweet

[fluid light]

maybe Gem of Lesser Necromancy?

[half furnace]

bring Kyle along yes. #socials-feed message

[fluid light]

Not completely bad, no special trigger and a little bit funny.

[main needle]

I have a strong feeling the next major update will focus on combat

[serene badge]

will try a couple different gems and see which feels best. its just gonna be a pain leveling them up to 50, especially swiftness, since its like level 15 at start

[serene badge]

or I just get lucky and fish one LOL. good old trusty lucky fishing rod

[maiden vigil]

Stupid question, which one of these two gives me more of an advantage over the baddies, armor or weapons?

[stark lake]

I'd say weapon

[maiden vigil]

Okay good, because I came across a server last night that had some good armor and weapons but I felt bad for giving myself an advantage.

[supple eagle]

You should be fine. I am L33 and grabbed a L50 weapon (shroud depot) and slotted a L25 gem. Fully upgraded. Still struggle on some fights.

Yard trash now three hits instead of 4...

[wild cypress]

My cousin played bass for Yard Trash in the 1990s.

[mental wagon]

Do daggers only scale off of DEX and not STR? Trying to build out something and it seems like STR is not affecting Dagger damage.

some other nodes do seem to increase dagger damage like The Warrior's Path and Thrust/Pierce, but the overall "5% melee per STR point" is not.

[wild cypress]

Dex buffs their damage greatly; "Melee" enhancements buff them a little; "Strength" and "One handed" enhancements do not buff them at all. The cutting/piercing buffs apply to daggers which do that kind of damage.

[mental wagon]

ok, I thought that was the case. I want to run bow and dagger for single target, but 2h for AoE/Cleave. I think it will be too spread out

[pure bobcat]

Bow & Arrow does get a (quite powerful, if expensive) AOE option in the form of explosive arrows, by the way.

And since I don't think you take friendly fire from your own explosives....

[mental wagon]

I am thinking of taking those and seeing how they play

[wild cypress]

There's also Crash Down and Shockwave which work for daggers. I'm daggers 80% bow 20% and haven't found any issues. That said by the end you have 184 perk points, so that's enough to support deep hybrid or moderate tribrid builds.

Respecs are cheap, I highly encourage experimentation.

[mental wagon]

oooo, shockwave works with daggers...

[pure bobcat]

Tribrid... Trybrid? Tribryd? There is no spelling that makes this word not feel weird.

[supple eagle]

Hybrids work so long as adjacent. Doing like two handed + Mage is likely not a workable build, for a variety of reasons.

But you can easily combine melee with bows and ranger / beastmaster

[timid dirge]

Is Necromancer a talent that is ever really taken?

[mental wagon]

I havent played around with Necromancer skill, but it looks interesting if you can get multiple minions.

If you add in the throwable summon items, could be fun. Not sure what the "pet" damage scales off of though

[fluid light]

If I interpret the search correct, weapons with poison are pointless in higher regions?

[supple eagle]

Throwables and scrolls, nothing, I think. Skills, and maybe weapon proc summons, probably scale with Intelligence or Spirit. Intelligence, I would think.

Or just off the total adjusted power of the weapon, which I believe itself scales with the characteristic associated. Strength for melee, Dex for daggers / bow, Int / Spirit for staves and wands, etc.