other-games

[tepid wadi]

Please use self-promo for streams and things.

[hearty yacht]

I don't think this is their first rodeo, pun intended.

[vague galleon]

someone did that yesterday.

#rules
#self-promo

[misty arch]

https://youtu.be/Xu-BOJ8dk0E?si=FCCa6_r_OIEbvPqj

[tranquil cove]

why would you quit the game

isn't POE designed to reset every aspect of your character so you can build it better in 30 minutes again?

or did they make it hard to reset/expensive?

[vague galleon]

https://tenor.com/view/star-wars-attack-of-the-clones-geonosis-droid-battle-gif-15588679

[tranquil cove]

my guess is for builds you need to make sure you have some mobility and also have a range attack. mobility is basically the most important aspect in any skill based game, more important than aim or even dps is movement.

if you were a tank, who cant move much... then i don't know, you need some insane durability and regen, or life steal.

i suppose if you can get such insane dps that everything instant dies, so you never have to move at all. would be a thing too, but what game gives you that much dps that it works that way on bosses?

because i think you can create a build that wipes everything, and then gets wiped on bosses.

there are such builds lol, it's like wow I have an amazing build as you're cruising through the game, and then you find out it's only good for destroying everything except the bosses.

and you have to replay the boss fight like 20 times before you can kill it.

[tepid wadi]

There are definitely builds that have great clear but struggle on bosses. But also when the game first game out, the ascendencies were WAY overtuned, especially the trial of chaos.

[misty arch]

speaking of things looking like star wars
https://youtu.be/DuJXqw4xgCc?si=So3m11ZnMZGWzZQH

[vague galleon]

lol

[misty arch]

the destiny x star wars crossover we never knew we needed

[frank sonnet]

hell divers 2 also

which is also interesting because they did a wild west themed warbond awhile ago

[vague galleon]

so apperently with HD2 you buy the game, then you pay for a weapon/armor pack, then you earn points through play to unlock the stuff you just paid for ontop of buying the game, right?

[timber prism]

There are two types of warbonds ( battle pass )

Free and premium. Premium takes super credits to unlock but you can earn super credits free by playing the game or you can buy them

Even if yoy buy super credits you still play the game to unlock contents in said premium warbond

[vague galleon]

so why pay for super credits if they dont actually give you anything?

[timber prism]

To unlock warbonds faster

[vague galleon]

and why do gamers get butthurt when you call out the scam they're falling for? XD (then again that WAS on twitter.)
eh, that's still disgusting monetization.

[timber prism]

How so??

[vague galleon]

I dont know, Maybe I'm just hold.

but back in my day

[timber prism]

You can earn it all in game over time

[vague galleon]

you EARNED cosmetics.

[timber prism]

You still earn them

[vague galleon]

if you ran into a player with hyabusa armor you KNEW they were going to kick your ass.

you respected that shit.

[timber prism]

You have to still play the game to unlock the contents of the warbond

Even if you paid for said warbond

[vague galleon]

way I see it I should either Pay and have, or Earn and have. not both.

like this feels like a boiling the frog situation.

where this kind of game progression wouldnt be acceptable by anyone a decade ago.

[timber prism]

Like say I play two hours a week

Having the option to buy a warbond to use that time unlocking the contents of the warbond is a good option

Versus having to farm missions to get enough credits to unlock said warbond

[vague galleon]

but you already bought the game, why pay more money.

[timber prism]

Bc time = money

[vague galleon]

so again, double monetization.

[timber prism]

Not at all

[vague galleon]

yes

yes it is

you need two currencies to unlock shit

this is crazy

[timber prism]

I can earn everything as someone who hasn't paid anything

Because im paying with time

[vague galleon]

yes you pay with time and credits

[timber prism]

Time or credits

[vague galleon]

you pay cash to reduce your costs

but you're still paying

[timber prism]

Pay cash to reduce my time to unlock the pass so I can spend time unlocking the contents

But its still free if I want it to be

[vague galleon]

that sounds horrible.

[timber prism]

I think it sounds great

[vague galleon]

[timber prism]

Its a much better option to pay for content in a live service game

You never pay for expansions

[vague galleon]

live service games are the worst things ever.

[timber prism]

I like them

[vague galleon]

also wow has a horrible business model. that has sadly worked and ruined the industry

runescape did it way better

[timber prism]

I like subs

I think that is a good business model

[vague galleon]

if I pay for the game im not paying for the sub.

[timber prism]

I like this option to

[vague galleon]

so you just, hate having money?

[timber prism]

I think devs should get paid for continually working on a game that provides new content

[tepid wadi]

I mean, it depends on the game, but it makes sense as a way to support continued development

[vague galleon]

I mean, how much of that money is going to the devs

and not some ceo or shareholders

[timber prism]

I don't think me paying $40 one time for 10 years of service is fair

[vague galleon]

the game hasnt even been out that long.

[tepid wadi]

It should be all of it, but 🤷‍♀️

[vague galleon]

and isnt most of this stuff cosmetics?

or is it pay to win shit.

[timber prism]

No it's weapons and cosmetics

You cant have p2w in a coop game

Lmao

[vague galleon]

you can.

[timber prism]

No you cant

[vague galleon]

you're paying for weapon upgrades to give you an edge over the poors.

[timber prism]

that is just a dumb thing to say

there aren't even rankings

you are literally playing with eachother

what edge are you getting?

XD

and you aren't getting more than the pors

poors*

[vague galleon]

i dont know, but who's even going to be playing this game 5 years down the road, what happens when the servers shut down, but you spent hundreds on the game.

[timber prism]

because everyone has access to the same content and battle passes ( warbonds )

[vague galleon]

like, Enshrouded keeps getting content and so far I've only paid 30 bucks for it.

[timber prism]

literally who cares

if you decided to spend hundreds to have fun

thats on you

i say this as someone who spends thousands on a game that i play for a month XD

[vague galleon]

ah. I see.

so you do just hate money.

[timber prism]

i enjoyed the time i had playing said game

i dont care

its just money

[frail thunder]

@vague galleon have you seen Elder Scrolls Online?

[vague galleon]

Man, I wish I could blow 1000 dollars on a game and go "eh, it's just money"

sadly I have bills.

[timber prism]

then earn more money until you can

i dont know what to say to that XD

[vague galleon]

no

that's insane.

[frail thunder]

Don't get me ranting about Star Citizen.

[vague galleon]

im familiar with it. I know that Breton was a badass.

[vague galleon]

No. go off.

rant away.

[timber prism]

Star Citizen is actually pretty fun

for what it is

[vague galleon]

let me know when it's finished. XD

[timber prism]

its also a crazy story about feature creep

i dont care if it gets finished or not personally

i would like to play Squadron 42 at some point though

@tepid wadi what are your thoughts on Star Citizen?

im actually curious what a dev thinks about the whole process

[misty arch]

The only thing good coming from Star Citizen is the fact that we are getting a new Game Engine companies will be able to use for game making.

[tepid wadi]

I don't think about it at all 🤷‍♀️

[timber prism]

whoa

[round beacon]

its a scam. simple as that.

[tranquil cove]

i agree with you

my general idea is that games should be finished within 7 years maximum

it doesn't matter the process for that

a game can be in EA for 2 of those years, go to 1.0 full release, and then continue with free updates for the next 5 years.

thats still a 7 year development cycle

thats the ideal way

but if its more like, 7 years of EA, and it takes 2 years for every major update, that can be okay, thats typically what project zomboid is doing.

depends on how many developers they have, and money, other factors.

the problem with a 10 year development cycle for star citizen is that the engine and graphics will get old. and then to revamp that you might need to make a new engine/tools/updates or new graphics.

[frail thunder]

The engine has already had multiple iterations and is still in development. The graphics have been updated. They've even gone back and remodeled older assets. Though in doing so it also just means that it's going to take longer when they keep doing that.

I'm looking forward to Squadron 42 though. I get that it's not going to be the same kind of play as the PU. But should be interesting.

[timber prism]

Hobbies can be expensive regardless of what it is. If i get enjoyment out of it, thats all that matters

[frank sonnet]

https://tenor.com/view/sure-grandpa-let's-get-you-to-bed-gif-3440862259299766707

[hearty yacht]

They do, it's called a salary.

[vague galleon]

and ive gotten over 1000 hours out of enshrouded which i only had to make one monetary investment in

halo 3. halo reach. i only had to play to unlock stuff. no extra cash.

bunjee was doing just fine.

[tranquil cove]

not everyone can afford hobbies

i want to go rock climbing but the pass is $800 for the year

so i can't do the hobby

instead i'm doing parkour outside 😄

it's free

all my hobbies are the free kind

drawing paper is cheap, and i can find pencils people threw away on the floor

[frank sonnet]

that's the saddest shit I've ever heard 🤣

[tepid wadi]

A bit more than my tongue and cheek response yesterday:

I feel like Star Citizen is one of the biggest pieces of poor management in gaming history. They've raised SO much money from their community and there is so little to actually show for it. Yeah they've promised the moon and stars, but the game has been in development for so long and there is so little to show for it.

I understand there are playable parts now, but they're never going to be able to complete the promises they've made. It feels like Their delivery strategy just doesn't exist in a way that makes sense to their audience.

Even though I was joking, I really don't think about Star Citizen at all because I never got swept up by the hype and stuff. I don't know how much is playable or complete. I don't really know what Squadron 42 is 🤷‍♀️

[tranquil cove]

i dont think about star citizen either

i think it's fine to take long in development if you make all expectations clear

[vague galleon]

Scam Citizen.

[tranquil cove]

like i want people like chris roberts to exist and make games, big dreamers etc. who want to achieve good things or create a versatile engine with a good framework.

was the same with UO creator Richard Garriott

as long as you're not being deceitful, especially intentionally, but also by accident, and you manage expectations, then i see no problem with someone developing their game for 10+ years, it doesn't affect me. (other than the technical problems of having to update everything as it gets out of date).

[tepid wadi]

Yeah, I don't really have a problem with the long development cycle as a concept, but I'm a big proponent of "under promise, over deliver"

I don't like things like Star Citizen where they promise everything and have no clear delivery plan for it

[tranquil cove]

some people function differently, they promise things because they are certain it's what they want in the game, but also making the promise drives them to complete it, now that it's promised, it has to be done etc.

but in terms of safer, risk free, and possibly more conscientious game design, you want to under promise, and over deliver.

[finite saffron]

The problem is that games that under promise have crap marketing and nobody buys them, and games like star citizen have become some of the most financially successful games of all time lol

[tepid wadi]

Yeah, it's hard to argue with the success of the strategy 😝

[finite saffron]

Same with like, No Man's Sky, for example. People might have been mad, but all that overpromising is why they're still around to this day. Those pre-orders were yummy

[tranquil cove]

you need to promise things that in the short term you know can make it into the game.

short term being within the year

i think actually making promises is fine, as long as you lay out this promise is for 10 years from now and might not come to fruition.

it's all about delivering the promise with the right context.

[tepid wadi]

Yeah, but to toast's point "We're doing all these amazing things right now!" is a great way to sell lots of games and get lots of funding right now.

Whereas the long term promise plan doesn't have that excitement to it

Gamers are not know for their patience 😝

[tranquil cove]

why

that actually makes no sense

because gamers spend $800 a year on new games

you'd think they can play something else in the meantime

[tepid wadi]

I mean, I'm not saying it's logical. But it's what happens.

[tranquil cove]

i would understand a lack of patience if star citizen is all you can afford and are waiting to play.

lol

look at me with enshrouded, havent touched it in like 8 months, just waiting for the full release now.

in the meantime im playing rimworld, then space engineers 2 on their big survivial update at the end of the year.

i am not impatient about enshrouded "taking forever"

in part waiting for full release because my friends want to buy the game when its fully released.

[tepid wadi]

Yeah, not everyone approaches buying games like that though. A lot of people will buy/kickstart/supports games based on the promises made even if they aren't totally logical.

[tranquil cove]

tbh i'd be slightly annoyed if SE2 released their survival update tomorrow out of the blue without a heads up

and i'm really looking forward to it

because it would mean id have to choose between rimworld and SE2

waiting for the se2 update gives me time to enjoy rimworld fully

but i guess i'm an old man gamer, but i was like this when i was a kid too, i want to be able to focus on games, and it takes more mental energy to switch between 2 games constantly. one games motivations will override anothers.

lol

[vague galleon]

hey youre alive!

[finite saffron]

Ye I was on vacation mon-tues lol

[tranquil cove]

i think space engineers balances promises well

https://2.spaceengineersgame.com/roadmap-2

https://blog.marekrosa.org/

and the BLOG which shows progress

the blog is a way to promise things indirectly

they do a very good job imo

they developed the best modding support for SE2 i've seen in a game

enshrouded = best terrain editor (THOUGH se2 has a pretty nice terrain editor now too)

[misty arch]

https://youtu.be/Po6mp8CkrN0?si=E5aCsdKg_Gd6sitw

[finite saffron]

x4 is a game I desperately want to love but every time I play it I get bored lol

[misty arch]

my problem is every time im about to start it a new expansion or massive update comes out and its always at the same time as another big game. Borderlands 4 being this one this time.

[tranquil cove]

never even heard of X4

and why is he doing "taken" easter egg in his video

"people with a very particular set of skills"

SE2 is more my style of game, less UI management screens, less economy, less diplomacy, and more minecraft in space literally, build everything you want, total freedom... and survival/exploration.

i was never into those economy space games

x4 looks like it has fun combat though

[timber prism]

Me with every 4x game ever

[tepid wadi]

Yeah, I've never been good at getting into 4x games

[tranquil cove]

interesting

never even heard of this subgenre

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_4X_video_games

i knew of economy based games, like i knew of the description of the genre, but not the name '4x' for it.

never touched a single game on that list, and avoided civilization like the plague 😆

same with command conquer

[tepid wadi]

They're definitely not for everyone. I enjoy them occasionally, but tend to get bored on repeated playthroughs

[tranquil cove]

i did play star control

but star control is listed as having elements of it

but i'm pretty sure i played star control 2

which isn't listed

I played like xcom, and halcyon 6 starbase commander

bunch of RTS games, anno etc.

[tepid wadi]

I wouldn't really consider xcom a 4x game personally, but I can see the resemblance

[tranquil cove]

i did sid miers pirates

The term is a loose acronym of "explore, expand, exploit, and exterminate", coined in 1993 to describe the gameplay of Master of Orion.

i heard of master of orion

also such a cool game name

interesting

i love conquest of the new world, but i think making that game today might be an issue 😆 since is a colonization game

though i guess people made crusader kings

without any issues that i heard of

[frank sonnet]

the people getting upset are the not the people that would play that kind of game anyway

[tranquil cove]

the thing about conquest of the new world

is you could play as the indigenous people too

and there were alliances if i remember correctly

so it wasn't a one sided, one perspective game.

[frank sonnet]

speaking of things games got away with i'm surprised starcraft 1 got away with using the confederate flag with no controversy past or present

[vague galleon]

hmmm. fair point.

[tranquil cove]

rimworld has child raids

found out the other day

whats funny is the game has mechanic where you can injure people instead of outright kill them, leaving them open to being captured, and then breaking their resistance so they join your colony.

and the game has lore for each character, including raiders, so people can be family

so essentially a raid can happen where its a mother, father, and their children now, and you kill the parents, kidnap the children, and brainwash them to join your colony 😄

https://www.pcgamer.com/rimworld-has-been-removed-from-steam-in-australia-after-all/

this was mainly for drug use

they dont mention the child raids :D, RIMWORLDA doubled down after being banned

they also got unbanned i think after applying for an 18+ rating in Australia

plus they have slavery mechanic

[frank sonnet]

people and governments need to pull the sticks out of theirs ass's in regards to games

[tranquil cove]

i mean in terms of rimworld its probably fine to slap an 18+ or 14+ rating on it

banning? no.

but a game like schedule 1? maybe that deserves an 18+ rating

if it wasnt 18+ everywhere, i'd be kind of shocked

i can't even see a rating for it on steam

where do you see game age ratings

[frank sonnet]

still Thiers a difference between putting a rating on and screaming at devs, studios ,publishers going no no no you cant have that in your game!

[tranquil cove]

https://www.imdb.com/title/tt36667480/parentalguide/

lol

it's funny that the game has no rating

i guess ill give it to my 11 year old niece and tell them to aspire to be a drug dealer when they grow up.

[tepid wadi]

Yeah there definitely needs to be ratings/controls for games that include certain elements. Like kids should definitely not be playing Schedule 1.

But getting that implemented in a fair + meaningful way is super difficult

What kid isn't willing to lie and say that they're 18+ online 🤷‍♀️

[tranquil cove]

schedule 1 is a bit dangerous in that its graphic style and style in general can attract kids too

it takes the violence lightheartedly too

it's almost better to have a graphically intense, and serious game

[tepid wadi]

Yeah, a good example of why it's hard to legislate.

[tranquil cove]

i do think rimworld is fine as 14+

or whatever that rating is

[frank sonnet]

eh kids played gta5

[tranquil cove]

personally i wouldnt see a problem with younger kids playing rimworld

[tepid wadi]

That's fine, as long as they have parental approval.

I don't really care about kids playing any game as long as they have parental approval, really.

But there should be age limits on buying them to ensure that approval happens

[tranquil cove]

gta5 isnt much different from red dead redemption

they should have the same classification/rating lol

[tepid wadi]

I'd personally argue that GTA is worse because it's "closer to real", but that's largely semantics in the grand scheme of things.

[tranquil cove]

i watch a lot of GTA RP, but i don't like GTA, wouldn't play it myself. which is a bit wierd of me. but the RP is funny and doesn't really seem like something that requires super hardcore ratings to watch/play. https://youtu.be/FRlmIXjd9uU

[vague galleon]

i played a lot of GTA online. sometimes it was nice to just go into first person and drive the big loop around the island in a sexy car.

[misty arch]

https://youtu.be/Uxq-lgDBhWU?si=VW6eZI2rIaigBsJm

[timber prism]

Did he talk about the performance issues?

I hear its getting wrecked on steam

[tepid wadi]

Yeah, he brought it up as the main concern

[frank sonnet]

i've started playing the outer worlds

[vague galleon]

it's a decent game, but I never finished it.

[tepid wadi]

Yeah, it didn't really hook me either, mostly because that sort of RPG often doesn't

[vague galleon]

Parvarti is an absolute cinnamon roll and I would die protecting her.

[tepid wadi]

She was the initial companion you got, right? I remember he being a ray of sunshine

[vague galleon]

i think so?

but ya, the game isnt even half as good as new vegas.

but it definitely wasnt a bad game.

[sweet patrol]

I liked the cleaning robot companion

[vague galleon]

i never got around to unlocking the robot.

i think i had 1-2 left to unlock.

[frank sonnet]

It feels like it desperately wants to be a fallout game

[vague galleon]

i can see that.

[misty arch]

https://youtu.be/0wFNN1f6hF8?si=-C9ehMfi9llS6x2b

[misty arch]

https://youtu.be/8KG9kEUxNOA?si=JFBicwtaFH4aXseZ

[misty arch]

1 day only sale with some good deals
https://store.steampowered.com/sale/onespecialday2025

[tranquil cove]

how do i get that page on my steam

[misty arch]

on the main steam page you should just have to click on the bannder ad for that

product warning if you have this in your PC
https://www.tomshardware.com/pc-components/liquid-cooling/hyte-warns-thicc-q80-trio-customers-to-uninstall-aio-cooler-immediately-company-says-it-has-identified-coolant-leakage-issue-caused-by-fragile-internal-component

https://youtu.be/kJNCNswbdG0?si=4XVOvpnwhwVc3PGZ

[vague galleon]

bike?

[misty arch]

some would call it a motorcycle but bike will work

[vague galleon]

motorbike

but she can ball.

[frank sonnet]

rolling around everywhere doesn't sound like a practical form of transport

[vague galleon]

i mean, she also has a space ship.

[timber prism]

I think im in the minority that prefers 2D Metroid

Open world Bike riding doesn't give me the sense of Metroid at all

Still gonna play tho

[vague galleon]

i never got far in Prime 1 so, eh.

[stray coral]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p9Rd_31dB0k

too funny

[rustic arrow]

https://www.pcgamer.com/hardware/even-with-a-9800x3d-and-a-5090-it-runs-like-absolute-buttcheeks-2k-games-posts-nvidias-borderlands-4-optimised-settings-guide-but-the-community-is-already-in-open-revolt/

[tranquil cove]

what banner

there is a political sim fest thats it

i wonder if it's region based

[misty arch]

what happened when you clicked on my link?

[tranquil cove]

your link works, but it opens a website, i don't like to login to steam through web browser.

was wondering if there was a way to get to the page through the steam app

[misty arch]

a work around, go to No Mans Sky steam page and there is a bundle for ALL of Hello Games catalogue. The link is in there since that bundle is part of the event

[tranquil cove]

worked ty

[vague galleon]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9M87VpBVN1g

[frank sonnet]

and yet people will still line up to buy whatever crap Nintendo put out

[vague galleon]

sadly.

that new virtual boy looks so stupid.

[tranquil cove]

https://youtu.be/8t0XnLKGm4k

[short sail]

The thing is... I used to defend Nintendo. But now with these prices they've certainly lost it.
I wonder how childs are supposed to affort anything now. They jumped the price by not only 10€ but 20€ and as much as I wished for Mario Galaxy 2 to play again, I feel scammed getting the All Star Bundle which certainly will not be updated...
Not to mention that their flow of new OG games just came to an complete halt, almost. And the upgrade stuff for games will spin out of the way I feel, because now they can re-use content at will, when they will, just put a "spin" to it and still charge 20€.

[frank sonnet]

there bringing back the virtual boy? Why? who thought that was a good idea?

[vague galleon]

not bringing it back entirely, its some attachment for the switch.
why? I have no idea.

[short sail]

I think they want to give a broader audience the old games back, though I will say... First and foremost they should look into bringing back more of the old stuff that still is stuck somewhere. I miss alot of old gems still

I also doubt people will get a 100 bucks optional device...

[vague galleon]

ya and the 60 dollar one is just freaking cardboard. what a scam.

[runic basin]

It seems like Nintendo’s entire game plan is to use nostalgia to extort people out of their money, while making everything cute enough to bring in new young players

I can see why they are so hostile to content creators. If kids enjoy watching streamers play instead of playing themselves, it’s harder to manipulate that sense of nostalgia later

[vague galleon]

mmm fair point.

[hearty yacht]

I said goodbye to Nintendo, a culmination of all their high jinks. My daughter agrees, so that makes things easier on me.

[vague galleon]

i mostly just liked nintendo for zelda and im probably never buying any new games since they refuse to make him a lefty again.

[vapid acorn]

Nintendo lost me as soon as the switch 2 came out with some 80$ price

[vague galleon]

im not even mad at the 80 dollar price tag.

PS1 games costs 50 bucks and 50 dollars in 1995 is equivalent to about 105.99 today.

no idea why that was censored, the dollar sign?

im more annoyed by the console being 600 dollars. but, eh.

[frank sonnet]

tbh if Nintendo where to cease to exist i don't think anybody would miss them

[misty arch]

we’ll be pressing the big red “LAUNCH” button on Wednesday, September 17th, 2025, at exactly:
1 PM // 13.00 CEST
https://youtu.be/1boPaIZzF3E?si=1b-l9v7KfSeyFQrF

[vague galleon]

i still love my GC but im done with newer product.

[frank sonnet]

i have a similar thought process any purchase of Nintendo products is going to be used and pre switch

[vague galleon]

I did recently buy some switch games on ebay for much lower than the usual price, a few used and one new, or something like that. almost wondered if they were bootleg but they all seem fine.

didnt do the taste test though.

[frank sonnet]

oh yeah didn't they add a bittering agent in the plastic to stop people from trying to eat them or something like that?

[vague galleon]

yup!

[frank sonnet]

i wonder if those are the same people who blindly defend Nintendo

[vague galleon]

i think it was more of a, keeping small children from eating them sort of thing.

cause small kids like putting random small stuff in their mouth.

[frank sonnet]

you'd think the lesson would be parents should be more attentive to their children and stop them from putting random stuff in their mouth

[vague galleon]

nooooooooooo video games are babysitting for them.

go play call of dutty little johnny.

[frank sonnet]

ugh i hate hate hate hate that so much

[vague galleon]

agreed.

[timber prism]

I would. I love Nintendo games. Metroid, Zelda, Mario, Donkey Kong, Smash. So many good games

[vague galleon]

well good news, soon nintendo will be the only new games to play!

especially if you like games with riding horses or summoning things to fight!

[timber prism]

Do you actually know what those patents are about?

[vague galleon]

I know enough.

[timber prism]

like what can actually be stopped from being made

[vague galleon]

I know they're broad as heck.

and insane to actually be patented.

and I know nintendo's track record.

[timber prism]

Do you have a link to actually see the patent?

im curious of what it actually says

not the video you posted. I watched that

[vague galleon]

I mean, it doesnt matter how vague or precise they are, their existense is bad enough, but I'm willing to be proven wrong.

so if you would like to show me I am wrong. please go ahead.

[timber prism]

like summoning pets to do things via pokeballs

sure go ahead and patent that

i could care less about that

I just think people are getting overly upset without even actually factchecking or seeing how detailed that patent is

[vague galleon]

It's because we know their track record.

this isn't the first rodeo.

[timber prism]

what other patents have they made?

to make this track record

[vague galleon]

it isnt even just patents

it's everything

[timber prism]

oh okay

lmao

[vague galleon]

going after fan projects

etc etc etc

[timber prism]

yeah, they really are stingy about their IPs

100%

[vague galleon]

like how many times do they have to be jerks before you stop defending them?

[timber prism]

im not even defending them

[vague galleon]

you 100% are.

I assume you've read the patent then?

[timber prism]

no i haven't

thats why im not angry

[vague galleon]

then go read it and show me why I shouldnt be upset.

[timber prism]

why do i need to do your homework?

getting upset at something you dont even know anything about is just ridiculous to me lmao

[vague galleon]

i dont need to read it to know they're pulling bull shit when they are always pulling bullshit.

[timber prism]

like not even just video games

people getting upset at stuff or having a certain view on something they never even bother to do research on

or look up

just see someone be mad and join in

[vague galleon]

its called pattern recognition or something like that.

[timber prism]

oh okay

XD

this reminds me of political stances

but im not gonna go into detail about that

but i'll eventually look this up

[vague galleon]

all im saying is if someone stabs you 9 times and then calls you in close again, they're probably going to stab you a 10th time, and maybe you shouldnt trust them.

[timber prism]

cuz it is sort of interesting

[vague galleon]

like, lmao all you want, but this is not complicated to understand.

[tepid wadi]

All reports are that its pretty bad.

[timber prism]

that is unfortunate then

[tepid wadi]

Like, its patenting a very broad mechanic used in tons of games, some from before pokemon existed

They could easily use it to squash/chill any game with a summoning system

[timber prism]

If that is the case, its really bad that we have patent offices that dont even do research before okaying something

[misty arch]

which is the big question even lawyers are asking. How did this so easily go through

[vague galleon]

my guess? bribery.

[timber prism]

yeah, that is wild

[tepid wadi]

They might NOT use it that way, but the patent even existing will stop lots of people from innovating because they are worried that nintendo could come for them

[timber prism]

i can see that if its as broad as you all are saying

no company should be allowed to do that

I always thought patents were highly detailed

to keep people from being able to do something similar

[misty arch]

https://youtu.be/_K55t2YPty8?si=yBhjGXtyehr7cPNr

[frank sonnet]

i think i chose a good time to play the outer worlds lol

[tepid wadi]

I expect the patent to fall apart if challenged, there are tons of games using a very similar mechanic that could never be mistaken for pokemon or any nintendo game.

[vague galleon]

i would really like that.

[timber prism]

Can they just reverse this?

and be like, "we messed up."

[vague galleon]

lol, they're far too arogant to ever do that.

[frank sonnet]

it appears the videogame industry is following the trend of the rest of the entertainment industry and turning into a monopoly

[misty arch]

based on this patent, yes

[vague galleon]

id be more upset if I wasnt so old and tired of new games.

im perfectly happy playing what i got plus small indie titles.

[timber prism]

this is pretty informative because they are stating that companies should be challenging this

and there are specific things you can file against it

saying in other industries companies challenge them all the time

So hopefully Sony or Microsoft are at least doing so since they easily have the money for it

[vague galleon]

yes please.

[vague galleon]

https://tenor.com/view/savingprivateryan-ww2-old-soldier-matt-damon-gif-4203998

[frank sonnet]

time to start yelling at kids to get off your lawn

[vague galleon]

EVERY DAY

[vapid acorn]

Yea Nintendo is also trying to sell the new Pokemon game for 100$ including the dlc and silksong is just releasing for a fifth of that price as a full game no dlc announced on launch which is outrageous

[vague galleon]

i am tempted to buy the entire series full price but it's not really my kind of game.

and i just spent a bunch of money on other things.

x.x

[vapid acorn]

Yea I really wanted to play this new one but it’s way to pricey especially with the console

[vague galleon]

i was kind of excited when I was fuecoco, super cute, then I saw his final evolution and lost all interest.

[vapid acorn]

Yea that was depressing

The bipedal cat was better

[vague galleon]

not as bad as the last two cats being bidpedal though....... :S

i was also excited for litten until I saw.... THAT

[vapid acorn]

I mained him in smash but I would have rather a normal fire cat

Also the new Megas looked so lazy especially the greninja

[frank sonnet]

i guess you could say it was|| catastrophic ||

[vague galleon]

https://tenor.com/view/boo-boo-this-man-mad-angry-gif-16849857

[frank sonnet]

man this channel is haunted

[misty arch]

https://youtu.be/C_f5zDoy8DI?si=FrkjHctX3HjKeO2O

[misty arch]

https://youtu.be/rrWos4NShT8?si=TEL1Zp-WkZ9oN88-

[misty arch]

https://youtu.be/V5-TK-5JTm4?si=rrtFkyIo9StJEs93

[tepid wadi]

oh shiiii, TI4 is one of my favorite board games (that I never get to play because it takes so long)

[misty arch]

https://youtu.be/UFAHKmgswio?si=CPyq_FtOOGuLyF3s

https://youtu.be/2q-vxoejYf4?si=0gtCd_yCh94-luAd

[misty arch]

wow
https://www.pcgamer.com/hardware/processors/intel-and-nvidia-announce-stunning-plans-to-combine-their-cpu-and-gpu-products-for-both-consumer-pcs-and-ai-servers-with-nvidia-taking-a-usd5-billion-stake-in-intel/

[vague galleon]

i dont like the sounds of that.

[formal rune]

That's ... interesting.

[finite saffron]

yikes

monopoly moment

[vague galleon]

also the US now has a 10% stakes in nvidea now I think? or was it intel

[finite saffron]

intel, but yeah, also yikes

[vague galleon]

I cant say much more on this cause politics but I am very unhappy.

[finite saffron]

well at least it's politics that relates to games for once lol

[vague galleon]

_>

[finite saffron]

https://store.steampowered.com/app/1605250/Moros_Protocol/ I played this game at Gamescom and it was a really fun and unique roguelite shooter, kinda like if doom met binding of isaac. Want to give them a shoutout because they just released and it was made by an incredibly small team!

Steam

Moros Protocol

You wake up aboard The Orpheus, a derelict warship lost in deep space and crawling with horrors. No memory. No allies. Only the instinct to fight and a voice urging you forward. The ship shifts around you, the enemies never stop, and survival means battling through blood-soaked corridors to uncover what lies ahead.

Set in a haunting, low-…

Price

$19.99

▶ Play video

[vague galleon]

If I had a dollar for every potentially good classic style shooter ruined by added roguelike elements I'd be quite rich.

looks sexy though.

[finite saffron]

Nah there's already plenty of great boomer shooters that don't have roguelite mechanics. Most of them from newblood lol Check out Dusk, Amid Evil, ultrakill, Gloomwood, Wrath: Aeon of Ruin, and HROT, all games I'd recommend if you want a new boomer shooter to play

[vague galleon]

which one was it... ya wrath, had the aesthetic, but the gameplay is clunkier than Quake. a shame on that.

[jagged nexus]

Love the nostalgic vibe it has. Def reminds me of older doom.

I wish they'd make a new Half Life speaking of games of past.

[finite saffron]

wrath is probably my least favorite from the list tbh

[vague galleon]

dusk didnt draw me in, amid evil is alright, i should play that again.

[finite saffron]

I'd recommend giving dusk another chance acts 2 and 3 are some of the craziest things I've ever experienced in a videogame lol, coolest worldbuilding ever

[vague galleon]

I was very disapointed in wrath, the saving system was unnecessary, but you can turn that off at least.

it's a silly reason but I dont enjoy dusk's aesthetic.

[jagged nexus]

Quake. That's the other one i was thinking.

[vague galleon]

and most boomer shooters are 2D sprites and I cant get into them, which is a shame cause so many of them DO have good gameplay.

I've looked at them all, I still enjoy playing Quake more. 🙁

[finite saffron]

ultrakill and gloomwood are both gorgeous looking, amid evil is quite pretty too

[tepid wadi]

I fired up Witchfire for the first time a little while ago, it's also really good

[vague galleon]

and too many shooters add needless pointless RPG elements..........

STRAFE played really well but it's a roguelike and, I'm not the most skilled.

[formal rune]

I really enjoyed Boltgun :3

[vague galleon]

boltgun looked amazing. but 2D sprites

[finite saffron]

I loved strafe but it had an identity crisis with the whole roguelite thing honestly, I think it would have worked better without it.

And I'm saying that as someone who looooves fps roguelites. It just didn't make a lot of sense in a game like Strafe

[vague galleon]

ziggurat, immortal redneck, tower of guns

all fun rogue likes

but since I suck, i never get past level 2 or 3.

[finite saffron]

roboquest is a really fun fps roguelike but it does start to get really hard in the later acts

[vague galleon]

i mean, i can give those a pass but STRAFE really needed to not be a roguelike

I just want to progress through the game........:(

[finite saffron]

strafe was brutally hard I don't know if I ever actually technically beat it lol

[vague galleon]

i got further in strage than the others.

Sedaco looks soooo good too

but, doom nukem

same with uh,...

it had a crossbow, i forget the name

but very duke nukemy

Project warlock was alright but the weapon leveling was annoying.

i hate when a shooter has upgrade systems but doesnt let you go back and replay levels and find secrets you missed

it's stalled me out on soooo many games

hard reset

the wolfenstein sequels.

[finite saffron]

I really loved Sulfur but you probably wouldn't like it if roguelite mechanics bother you lol, it's built pretty heavily around them

[vague galleon]

ya, the only rogue like ive ended up enhoying was risk of rain 2

and now that take 2 and gearbox are going anti modder and etc i dont know if I ever want to load it up again.

[finite saffron]

Sulfur is technically an extraction shooter, but singleplayer. Your goal is to do runs and survive to collect guns and equipment, to then use to progress to the harder areas

[vague galleon]

rogue legacy was AWFUL

[tepid wadi]

Gunfire Reborn is solid

[vague galleon]

upgrades got more expensive everytime you died.

and if you didnt get any loot, too bad.

[finite saffron]

I wanted to love gunfire reborn but the horribly translated/written descriptions genuinely pissed me off lol

[tepid wadi]

Yeah, that's totally fair

The gameplay was a lot of fun though

[finite saffron]

the amount of times I couldn't figure out what something did because of how poorly written it was drove me crazy

[vague galleon]

ive played that and deep rock but just couldnt get into them

i dont get the appeal of deep rock outside of lol dwarves

[tepid wadi]

What do you look for in a roguelike? There's a ton of different ones

[finite saffron]

yeah roguelite is a super wide range of games at this point. It's my favorite genre, but I also hated games like rogue legacy

Like hades is the most popular one and I didn't like hades at all lol

[vague galleon]

i know it is mostly a "Me Problem" when it comes to finding a good shooter, but, I feel I need to wait for the nostalgic game makers to get a little older before they hit the 90s-00s era

i find it quite hard to get back into doom.

but I've replayed quake MANY times

you know what I need to do?
mod maps.

i just never have the drive to learn that stuff.

[finite saffron]

HROT and Dusk are both quake-likes

but I guess you weren't a fan of the art style

[vague galleon]

oh ya, HROT, brown simulator

[finite saffron]

yeah lol

[vague galleon]

ya, DUSK looks too much like blood which I wasnt a fan of.

what I love about quake is the mix of science meats dark magic and strange monsters

also the lack of RPG elements. XD

[tepid wadi]

You should definitnely check out Witchfire, then

[vague galleon]

i can just focus on shooting enemies and enjoying the level design

[finite saffron]

amid evil would probably be the closet thing to that then

the dark magic vibe

[vague galleon]

amid evil is. i dont know

i'm 50/50

[finite saffron]

yeah witchfire is kinda that vibe too, just with modern graphics

[vague galleon]

I like and dont like it's aesthetic, the weapons are weird

[tepid wadi]

Sounds like modern graphics are important 😝

[finite saffron]

been meaning to check out witchfire it's just kinda expensive and I was waiting for it to leave early access

[vague galleon]

WRATH was spot on for looks

but gameplay was poor.

[finite saffron]

I find it funny that you think dusk is ugly but you don't mind the graphics of the og quake lol

[vague galleon]

i didnt say ugly.

i said im not into the aesthetic

the creature types, the enviroment, the weapons

[finite saffron]

did you ever finish act 1? Because each act has its own aesthetic

[vague galleon]

no ive just seen screenshots

[finite saffron]

act 3 especially gets super scifi

[vague galleon]

looking at it again, man the crassbow is weird

i should try it sometime but, eh.

[finite saffron]

yeah a lot of the aesthetic is inspired by blood I think, which I suppose you also weren't a fan of

[vague galleon]

ya

while wrsth and amid evil are more my style

i was also a huge fan of halo

bought MCC on steam day one.

the shadow warrior games werent bad either.

story got worse and worse after the first remakw

but the first one was Solid.

ill never forget you Hoji.....

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=xPhLf-G1Q3M

this
this scene right here.

I freaking love Hoji.

[tepid wadi]

Lemme know when you want to do a playthrough of the Master Chief collection on Heroic/Legendary 😝

[vague galleon]

Hoji is the best game companion i hace EVEE had

THE BEST

[vague galleon]

add me on steam!

heroic though. im not good enough for legendary.

i nearly 100%ed it once wirh another friend but one of the levels in halo 4 bugged out on us.

but ya.

hoji was 100 times a better companion than emily ever was.

i hate emily.

also ghost recon wildlands was a ton of fun! id play it more if i had friends to do so with

id loved unloxking gun parts by exploring the map

and SW2 was pretty fun too. story was meh though.

anyway uh.
reshout out to this game.
https://store.steampowered.com/app/1605250/Moros_Protocol/

Steam

Moros Protocol

You wake up aboard The Orpheus, a derelict warship lost in deep space and crawling with horrors. No memory. No allies. Only the instinct to fight and a voice urging you forward. The ship shifts around you, the enemies never stop, and survival means battling through blood-soaked corridors to uncover what lies ahead.

Set in a haunting, low-…

Price

$19.99

▶ Play video

[tepid wadi]

I mostly like Heroic better because Legendary is just SO punishing. But also it's been YEARS since I played any Halo (other than like 2 weeks of Infinite), so I probably suck too

[vague galleon]

infinite................ uhg.

[tepid wadi]

It was fun while we played it, but didn't really hook any of my regular multiplayer group

[vague galleon]

it was barely passable as an enjoyable game, or maybe ive already played too many farcry games, but worse is how many loading screens it took to get to story mode.

and the last time i tried to play i couldnt make it to the main menu for storymode so i just uninstalled it

so glad i waited for it to be 20

[misty arch]

https://youtu.be/SnsHsUrbeuc?si=FRK_q9F3RoVtrQr6

[misty arch]

https://youtu.be/j6papfHpvLw?si=bWxYksWfVJ6vZLBx

[misty arch]

https://youtu.be/q5vSrdJ4iOY?si=7gILPAjaJRTHawFK

[royal ivy]

Borderlands 4 🚜 + RTX 3080.

[misty arch]

i am enjoying it so far

[runic basin]

I never got into borderlands that much, but i’ve always loved the visuals. Not just the outlines, but how varied the colours are, and how there’s never any confusion about what you’re looking at

[vague galleon]

The legend of zelda games have ALWAYS been about Link, Zelda, and Ganon, so the HECK is demise and why does he get to be "pre-ganon?!" NO I say! NO!

also implying that the first link is right handed is absolute heresey.

or implying that OoT isn't the first zelda story in the pointless canon just really rubs me the wrong way!

nintendo got TOO obsessed with the "sacred canon!"

makes me so mad. us lefties barely get any respect in the gaming industry

like, I know I use my mouse right handed, shamefully, but come on!

I hard heard he was left handed, i guess that was a lie.

it WAS

4?

when i first heard about the timeline it was

OOT - Link to the past - original

with like, majora's mask spinning off OOT and LOZ2 being a direct sequel to LOZ1, but, how? cause like, how quivkly did those villages get built?!

but where did the villages and people come from?!

whats interesting is there are two main layouts.

cause i think Link to the Past and OoT have two different layouts and most following games follow one or the other.

wait, for real?!

strange.

but ya, i believe there are two official maps they reuse now.

I assume you have read the comic for LTTP?

you can find it online somewhere.

oh. >_>

so, 1. I have the book for that comic, but I also have the manga collection for all the zelda manga.

but you can read it online, somewhere, i dunno, it's been forever.

anyway, link is an idiot at the end and I hate him for it.

eh, ive played like, none of the DS games.

but oracles are some of my favorites, i love the rings.

you should come hang out at my place and help me finish 4swords (this is a joke)

i wish i had gotten a purple gamecube when i broke my first one. (damaged the fan)

lol

now where would the fun in that be?!

that cant be the entirety of Z1

they got the lake the same!

forest not so much

ya but that tree pattern is all wrong.

ya the forests are all wrong.

noooooooo

i assume the big green patch is the lost woods but it's in the wrong spot

also i thiiiiiiiiiiink that BOTW uses the LTTP map.

which confused me for a bit cause i was thinking it would use the OOT map

i think TP uses the OOT map? i forget.

wonder why they didnt just stick with the LTTP map but i guess there's reasons.

i think one of the big changes is the location of kakirko village?

good question

🙏

there's defiitely some layover match ups

ive looked at images comparing them all

TP has two kakarikos?

you mean the hidden village? and. oh ya, that mining town.

[misty arch]

https://youtu.be/CJvel53iYjg?si=ozU1PG5JRWX5bD8q

[misty arch]

https://youtu.be/XE0y_K8-iSQ?si=vwt6QuBMQ6m_d1xM

[hoary prairie]

Anyone here also play Throne and Liberty?

[misty arch]

did for awhile but not anymore

https://youtu.be/3QAH3CVbmgQ?si=b4gr-cQxImrelS4H

[vague galleon]

[misty arch]

https://youtu.be/qnESs2Fw6Ns?si=FeKgn2hBARjxrnH7

[frank sonnet]

continuing were i left off with quake scourge of armagon

[timber prism]

https://youtu.be/eHCqxLtwy5g?si=l0nNyGhnxqnMGO5U

[round beacon]

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=dNVScevM43E&pp=0gcJCRsBo7VqN5tD

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=AmurGwwjvGM

okay that one gave me an honest chuckle.. that timing lol

[jagged nexus]

This is cute!!

[hoary prairie]

I'm a returning player myself. They released HyperBoost servers 3 days ago! 10/10

[jagged nexus]

That looks cool and wild lol

[round beacon]

satisfactory is a masterclass in of itself. if you wanna know how crazy creative you can get in there additionally to the whole automation. look up Fluxo Builds. dudes insane

[quaint ember]

Yea you can certainly do some insane things with it.

[tepid wadi]

If you REALLY want to see Satisfactory pushed to the limits, search for Let's Game it Out's Satisfactory videos

[round beacon]

nope. dont do that. whatever ever ever you do. do NOT look up that cursed video xD

[tepid wadi]

Those cursed videos*

There's like 4+ of them now 😝

I love them though

[cedar cape]

Yeah, they are Genius.
Especially the "The Face-Ripper 9000" ...

[hearty yacht]

Satisfactory is a great factory game. Factorio never appealed to me, because of the style. One of my favorite lines from it is how your AI handler tries to motivate you by telling you that you're saving all the puppies and kittens - in case you don't care much about saving the people.

[forest wigeon]

I know some people mentioned it above, but that new Crosswind (pirate) game looks really fun. And then I realized how similar is it to Enshrouded. Some assets and details look exactly like Enshrouded ones!

[burnt spear]

I'm waiting on Crosswind myself.

Looks like a lot of fun.

[tepid wadi]

Yeah, my whole group is waiting for Crosswind right now

[misty arch]

https://youtu.be/U8lJRcUeEMs?si=KlLETRGt1RumT-9P

[misty arch]

https://youtu.be/_ZKhiHIAeO4?si=b6CvVE4CnROn9el0

[misty arch]

https://store.steampowered.com/news/app/593110/view/507340197095015492?l=english

[misty arch]

https://youtu.be/Lw4WBofOkLE?si=UY0TD-KtCo0xJVqG

[misty arch]

https://youtu.be/0V8mt28YVwE?si=DrubmB91fJw3L7Ra

[frank sonnet]

not sure im a fan

[misty arch]

He has arrived.
https://youtu.be/s3pDMUWlA6I?si=-4JENTjo7S11YRZf

[tranquil cove]

i still dont like satisfactory

wasnt i complaining about a bunch of stuff on my recent replay

also strangely i have way more complaints about rimworld, but i love rimworld

[tepid wadi]

I have a "Cursed Design" problem with factory games.

I want to play them multiplayer, BUT playing the multiplayer means that you have to build a factory with other players. And when you think about things differently and they are building their part of the factory wrong and inefficiently, it upsets me 😝

[tranquil cove]

oh the latest rimworld thing was, that you can't split genes packs, so you have to do a round about method where you implant a genepack in a colonist that has 3 genes, and then you have to wait 2.3 years before you can begin extracting those genes again, to get them out 1 at a time, and even then it's a percentage chance.

i dunno rimworld annoys me, there are a few things that should be no brainer QOL vanilla features.

i had to set up some crazy work schedule so my children could actually max out learning

otherwise they cant

and you have to disable certain jobs, because if you give them hauling, and they go across the map to haul something, it eats up a ton of their time, that will dig into their learning time.

you have to set a zone for their learning basically too, so they dont go do wilderness wandering beyond that zone, otherwise again same problem.

and the work schedule had to be like 2 hour intervals of sleep, with 4 hours awake, 2 of which are recreation, and 2 are anything goes. since children will only learn in those 2 categories. they wont learn in the work category.

so 2 hour sleep intervals with a total of 6 hours sleep.. otherwise their learning bar will dip too far below 90%, i dunno the devs made learning kind of convoluted.

2.3 years in rimworld is like 12 hours of real world time, i think even if you speed up time? it's pretty long.

[tranquil cove]

you could make like 10k videos off player reactions to 2.3 year wait time to extract genes in rimworld.

reaction videos, that would generate money on youtube

because everyones reaction would be like, wait wtf?

i think the dev wanted it to be so that your original colonists die before you can make any meaningful gene combinations to prolong/preserve life, so your children would benefit. except children also pretty much age up in 2 years. so you need to plan having kids 2 years before your colonists die? so that you can then transfer the genes you want into your kids so you can keep them 20 years old forever.

[frank sonnet]

god this level was hell

[vague galleon]

thats a fun one!

[misty arch]

https://youtu.be/YBFdwKLEO4w?si=6BA_nWfsQzBbsUx3

[misty arch]

https://youtu.be/a0Jyzf0QSB4?si=2ofA2kO5aSJ66YME

[tranquil cove]

when i jump off cliffs will i make that silly noise every time

Mrhhh! mrhh mrhh

i wish i could chase a carrot/root alien

if you find yourself having ever said that, buy this game

[severe jetty]

Did anyone try megabonk?

[tepid wadi]

Yeah, I was up until 3am last night playing it. Its very Risk of Rain

[finite saffron]

It's pretty fun, though currently doesn't have a ton of content. "Risk of Rain 2 had a baby with vampire survivors" is the perfect way to describe it, that's pretty much exactly what it is.

My biggest complaint is that the runs felt a bit too short. By the time my build was popping off the run would end. But I didn't play it very long, maybe I needed to unlock new modes or something

[vague galleon]

ilove ror2 but i havent played it since gearbox acquired it and supposedly ruined it.

[finite saffron]

They did ruin it but then they fixed it, the new DLC is great now (I've been playing it this month)

[vague galleon]

something about tying game speed to fps and etc.
???

[finite saffron]

they completely reworked the DLC and fixed all the bugs they introduced

[finite saffron]

yeah it broke the game really hard, it was wild lol

[vague galleon]

why would you ever ty the gamespeed to the fps? did they fix that? i heard they didnt fix everything.

[finite saffron]

I don't toootally blame them, but from a player POV it was very frustrating. They were handed a game with a codebase that none of them have ever worked on, and presumably given a deadline by gearbox to release the DLC, so I think it was kinda rushed

[finite saffron]

If they didn't fix everything I haven't noticed it, the game feels like I remember it from before the DLC

and I have like 300 hours in it

[vague galleon]

okay. ill take your word for it and aoin it up sgain somwtime

i only hsve like 260 ish hours

[finite saffron]

I honestly honestly like the dlc at this point, the new items and bossfight are cool, and the new survivors are really fun

kinda op, but really fun, lol

[vague galleon]

194.2
nevermind XD

im a huge merc main.

Hes left handed!!!!!!!!!!

also sword.

[finite saffron]

I'm too lazy to play merc it's like I have to play a fighting game just to not die lmao

[vague galleon]

just put some blue cooldown items on him. some speed boosts, and im a blender.

i can basically fly with enough of them.

there was some other news i heard where theyll ban you now if mod the game.
not sure about that.

[finite saffron]

nah that's completely made up, there's a ton of mods for the game

I don't think the game even has an anti-cheat so I'm not sure why someone said that lol

[vague galleon]

i hope so
there was some drama with take 2 and gta about something as well.

[tepid wadi]

I'm not sure why a game like ROR would HAVE anti-cheat

[finite saffron]

gta has a lot of drama yeah

rockstar has historically always done some... less than consumer friendly things

[vague galleon]

aomething about data theft or something.

[finite saffron]

but yeah I think the main drama with ror2 was just that gearbox broke the game for a while, lot of bugs and stuff

[vague galleon]

i forget.

okay well then ill buy the dlc on the next sale and give it another run.

oh i also heard a lot of the new items totally sucked.

[finite saffron]

they did yeah, they literally reworked the entire dlc lol

reworked the boss, every item, and the three new survivors

[vague galleon]

but i also play with enemies drop artifacts and choose your items.

[finite saffron]

now they're all quite good, maybe even a little op

[vague galleon]

oh snap

nice

[finite saffron]

the new survivor seeker is probably the best survivor in the game at this point, she's kind of insane

[vague galleon]

now to find people to play with!

[severe jetty]

Will they support modding?

[vague galleon]

i need to look up a good mercenary build. see if om playing him right. XD

[finite saffron]

I'm not sure I haven't followed them super closely, but it's made by a solo developer and in my experience solo developers usually love modders, so 🤷‍♂️

[severe jetty]

Yeah would hope so

I will likely get it. seems like a fun time

[vague galleon]

i absolutely could not get into ror1 at all but ror2 is awesome. the only roguelike i enioy

i just wish you could like. save your runs.
like 2-3 slots

so i could come back later and resume.

would be great.

[severe jetty]

Ror2 was the first person shooter right?

[vague galleon]

there was a mod i needed for ftl but it never got updated for the dlc so i never finished the game.
the final boss was HARD.

ror2 is third person.

[severe jetty]

Oh third person

[finite saffron]

There's a mod that lets you do that I think

Lets you save at the beginning of each stage

[vague galleon]

i need that.

ive done 3+ hour runs where stuff constantly spawning and them immediately dieng.

i want to see how long i can keep that up before the game crashes. XD

[misty arch]

https://youtu.be/bhLiGf_2SN8?si=c1qwdfqJDee2pSbT

[frank sonnet]

looks like nightengale is going to be free on epic

[misty arch]

I feel bad for them. It is a decent concept and game. just got buried under all the other survival game releases at the time.

[tranquil cove]

not really

it's a niche survival, and also a bit weird, wont appeal to everyone, and not all the gameplay elements were there when they released, it needed a ton more work.

as a big survival genre fan, i completely overlooked palworld and grounded.

those might be more due to oversaturation of too many survivel games

like honey i shrunk the kids is one of my favourite movies

tbh the concept of pokemon style game doesn't appeal to me

if i want pokemon, i will play pokemon

and slime rancher was my fix for anything else

so palworld just doesn't appeal to me at all

im not sure why i skipped grounded.

i think i played supraland and got my small person fix. and also i'm more into survival traditional fantasy type, like valheim, or scifi survival.

[stray coral]

The graphics on Palworld i just couldn't get into

[tranquil cove]

if grounded 2 is actually better and breakthrough

i will likely get that

if it's not, it will throw me off grounded 1 even more because now grounded 1 will be old and i dont like going backwards.

so ill never get into the franchise lol

ive done this before, semi-intentionally skip games and get their sequels.

and have no regrets, when the sequel is 100 times better and fixes issues the original had

[misty arch]

https://youtu.be/vxAs2F6TWlM?si=-IiaYtsr34fCE11s

[tepid wadi]

On one hand I feel bad for them, but on the other, they made their bed.

Nightingale has a concept that I actually love from a bunch of angles, but the execution on basically all of them leaves a lot to be desired. They were buriedbexause of that, not because there were a lot of releases.

It was probably my #2 most anticipated survival game aftrr enshrouded, until I played it.

[misty arch]

https://youtu.be/EunkRPRzECg?si=_OE8iz4x_RlVx_eI

[misty arch]

https://youtu.be/z3u6jlJUEVI?si=MO0XwyZkHe_extkm

https://youtu.be/MgEPxv5S5UM?si=EL7tIAodyjD_zz9_

[vague galleon]

😮

I never finished outward 1.

got bored playing solo

[misty arch]

https://youtu.be/dxa2FdJm9VQ?si=nGm010XM2d5w7e-q

https://youtu.be/lxB1UBQ8SRU?si=8r1ITpPoNHa_RPCZ

[misty arch]

https://youtu.be/oBj8w0muGWI?si=qMxzBjeMIlK9G87m

[stray coral]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NSQQVZtzoM0

[misty arch]

well its early and its here
https://youtu.be/aJZko_5b4KE?si=e6szgldE-02veECg

[vague galleon]

noooooo

[frank sonnet]

why?

[vague galleon]

💸

[honest valley]

💸💸💸

[vague galleon]

actually i dont really want that many games. i barely play the ones i hsve.

[tepid wadi]

Yeah, I don't usually spend much money on the steam sales, mostly because I buy games when I want to play them so by the time they're on sale I've already got them or don't care enough to buy them 😝

[misty arch]

I used to be that way until I realized I was paying full prices on games to play at that time when just a month or 2 ago it was something like 40-60% off. So now I grab ones I know ill play but let sit till im ready. Also tax adds up so if a bunch of games are on sale at the same time best to grab them then.

[vague galleon]

i just wishlist and wait for sales 90% of the time.

[misty arch]

I have over 180 games on my wishlist and ALL of them are on sale, except for the few unreleased ones.

[vague galleon]

ya im around there.

i might buy a handful. maybr.

[stray coral]

I only have one 👀 in wishlist

[hearty yacht]

I generally skip the equinox sales. The solstice sales are better IMO.

[finite saffron]

I'm just waiting for the binding of isaac collection to go on sale. I've never bought it and I've decided that I don't want to have any free time anymore

[tranquil cove]

autumn sail

there's nothing i want to buy

name a game and i will say meh, nah

its funny because i have 120 games on wishlist, and i frequently look at the list,see a 70% off sale, look at the game again, and then decide either a) price is still too much b) the game isn't that good to justify buying it at that price. so my list is essentially a wishlist of games i will never buy - more and more games i buy are things i dont add to wishlist LOL.

good examples

13 dollars? you must be joking, skimping at 67% they couldnt even go the extra 3% on the sale, no thanks.

[cedar cape]

HUH

Astroneer is worth the Dollars...

[tranquil cove]

nah, there is also a sequel coming out

id rather spend full price on sequel

[cedar cape]

Yes? and?

HUH

Just because there is a Part 2 coming, doesnt mean that Part 1 is unworthy.

[tranquil cove]

divinity original sin 2, i never even liked 1, but also 16$ too expensive

[cedar cape]

https://tenor.com/view/deimos-r6-siege-gif-6204485797971098070

[tranquil cove]

im serious not trolling

example of a game that is 26$ to be a cat

sure it's a good game, but do i want to spend 23$ to be a cat?

when i can spend 23$ on other games and do infinitely amount of other things

racking up 1000 hours in rimworld now for 23$

[vague galleon]

🤷‍♂️

maybe it's about the story.

[tranquil cove]

and this one is priced like its a triple A studio

23$ is probably the actual cost of the game, so i get no sale really

so yeah im right, life is strange 1 was 21.99 for the full game and even had sales bringing it to $5. what justifies price hikes to 79.99? insane, this is also why it's forever on my wishlist.

[tranquil cove]

of all these games astroneers is the most tempting, but still, im at my spending quota this year for games, so next year maybe. and also i play many games in the genre of astroneers, so i don't feel particularly compelled or like i'm missing something special when i have these other games in similar genre to keep me occupied. i can wait another year to buy astroneers basically.

you can see based on this i will never touch elden ring - they have no sale at all LOL, so it's basically going to be a 20 years wishlist item.

sniper elite 5 is 5$ from 56$, that might be worth it. but again im at my quota, hopefully they have this same sale next year. robocop rogue city also similar sale as sniper elite 5.

anyway it's sometimes that there is even a good sale, but i relook into the game, and decide even 5$ as a steal, i still don't want the game, because it's ambiguous if i will actually enjoy it. something in the negative reviews or gameplay video isn't throwing me on board - that's what conan exiles is about, frequently low sales, probably worth $5-10 but i never buy it.

also you conflated worth with my personal choice of buying games really

by nature of being on my wishlist it already speaks to worth really

if it was unworthy it wouldn't even be there

[timber prism]

why wouldn't you want to be a cat? I bought it at release. Good game.

[misty arch]

https://youtu.be/6X06mgQrhl0?si=-C1xtd5ilhyQ-AmD

[vague galleon]

what

[misty arch]

yep, kind of surprised by this one

[timber prism]

https://store.steampowered.com/app/1809540/Nine_Sols/

Steam

Nine Sols

Nine Sols is a lore rich, hand-drawn 2D action-platformer featuring Sekiro-inspired deflection focused combat. Embark on a journey of Asian fantasy, explore the land once home to an ancient alien race, and follow a vengeful hero’s quest to slay the 9 Sols, formidable rulers of this forsaken realm.Story
In New Kunlun, hero Yi has awakened the…

Price

$14.99

Recommendations

29450

▶ Play video

50% off.. maybe it is time

[vague galleon]

it looks bad. the deer models have good texture, but that's it.

the enviroments look like they were taken off the n64.

[timber prism]

Man... not sure what boomer asked for this game.. but what a terrible idea to actually make

[vague galleon]

indeed

[timber prism]

this has to be for like the 40+ year olds

[timber prism]

I random polled my friend who is in her 20's and she has no effing idea who Rudolph or the misfit toys are XD

[tranquil cove]

its definitely a good game, but i cant put in the money i guess, i got used to games that give me building, survival, crafting progression, action etc. all in one for the same price probably.

whereas this game is more of an experience

i need more of a discount, plus im cheap

[timber prism]

okay.. just grabbed Nine Sols and all the Dead Cells DLC for $11

[misty arch]

https://www.tomshardware.com/tech-industry/artificial-intelligence/famed-gamer-creates-working-5-million-parameter-chatgpt-ai-model-in-minecraft-made-with-438-million-blocks-ai-trained-to-hold-conversations-working-model-runs-inference-in-the-game

[timber prism]

https://youtu.be/VaeI9YgE1o8?si=MmEeLRZVpSpdmpN4

[tepid wadi]

If anyone likes souls games and anime, Code Vein is 90% off on the autumn sale. It's not the best souls game, but it's hard to argue with the $6 price tag for it. I got a decent amount of enjoyment out of it.

[misty arch]

did you catch this the other day?
https://youtu.be/TXvqHwzxJHU?si=Hukqa6rjlP2nnKnH

[tepid wadi]

Nope, but I don't even have to watch it to know what it's going to be 😝 I'll say that I wasn't terribly impressed with the first game and wouldn't pay full price for it. But for $6? Definitely worth it.

[vague galleon]

i was tempted to play the crab one.

[tepid wadi]

I had a buddy who went through that one and I watched, it's actually REALLY good with some creative mechanics

[hardy mantle]

hello all, if you had to choose: Aska or Core Keeper?

[obtuse scroll]

It really depends on the types of games you like and what you like in them.

[quaint ember]

Two entirely different games 😄

They are both very good.

[hearty yacht]

Well yeah, you can tell that from the names being different. 😄

[hearty yacht]

Aska

[quaint ember]

More along the lines that they're totally different, not really comparable to each other outside of "They're games" 😄

Choice for me in that regard would come down to what kind of game i wanted to play.

[hearty yacht]

I know, I was making fun of the surface-level absurdity of the statement.

[quaint ember]

Of course ^^

[hearty yacht]

That was @hardy mantle question. "if you had to choose". They may have the same decision making challenges that I do, or maybe they're completely indecisive. For me, I have trouble making a decision between two things if all of my deciding factors are equal. (I'll typically flip a coin in those cases.)

[quaint ember]

Ask me next week and my answer will be different 😄 Though, this week the answer would also be Aska ^^

[hearty yacht]

For me it was simple. I'm not a fan of the style in Core Keeper.

[quaint ember]

That's what i mean, i like both games, for different reasons. It just depends what i'm currently in the mood for as to what i'd play.

[misty arch]

https://youtu.be/vLMZkLafVlM?si=WLRrldJeCBJEWouv

[misty arch]

https://youtu.be/mQBBTVUcyQ8?si=Z-mjKhzH5I_vN9Hn

[misty arch]

https://youtu.be/VEXxEH8NQe0?si=W9pGKjy-sB87vtcj

[tranquil cove]

i like what many game devs are doing tbh, like enshrouded, or others, because in some small way they are putting good out into the world. positive energy, positive communities etc. some form of happiness for people. sometimes the game has a good message in the lore or the story itself.

the sense of community - even if its just around a game - helps people feel connected to others in world. that does contribute to a better world imo.

[tranquil cove]

wasnt aska like AI based a bit and an asset flip? or is it custom graphics?

i'm not big on AI towns in games.

Core keeper is good, but to me it has a fundemental problem they wont solve. The storage system results in everyone making rooms with 10+ chests in them, or one giant room with 100 chests. This forces big bases, it forces inefficency in space use, and it forces every room essentially being none themed because the predominant theme is chests/storage.

They should have done my suggestion which was ground itself can be a modular chest. So i can place 10x10 chests as ground itself, and now i can walk on them, cover them with tiles, and they can be auto accessed from a workbench.

this would mean all chests are hidden in the floor, and now rooms and bases can be smaller, themed as smithies, or kitchens or other things etc. and makes things a lot better and cleaner.

you could still have the regular surface chests, but they wouldn't dominate storage.

too bad, missed opportunity imo.

wish devs listened to me more 🤷

aside from the base building issues that personally are a big deal for me, core keeper is amazing otherwise.

preference wise, i'd like more train stuff in corekeeper

but that i consider more of a preference, whereas the storage/base situation i consider a preference still, but also with a strong need imo

[misty arch]

Bring on the nostalgia
https://youtu.be/TQPmC4CMK5k?si=sxgp6_JS-lAtSHwT

[timber prism]

Looking forward to this

I was just talking about it in a different server

[vague galleon]

i was always bad at side scrolling beat them ups

[timber prism]

One of my fav genres tbh

[vague galleon]

i wanted to play the dnd one, cause it seemed neat

and i just... sucked.

[timber prism]

Do you remember what you were having difficulty with in particular?

[tranquil cove]

the only sidescroller i ever got into

was castlevania i think, maybe terraria if that counts

maybe E.V.O or something which was fun

a lot of sidescroller metroidvania require high skill and patience, which i just dont have

arguably on the level of F-ZERO game

you needed like extreme precision and patience with it... and meteroidvanias sometimes require never getting hit by a boss, or doing a lot of combinations in a row with perfect timing to platform an area.

though ironically i grew up playing arcade games like wonder boy, bubble bobble and tiger road.

which were all platformers

i played a lot of sidescroller platform metroidvania i guess, but at the same time if i see an epic overwhelming positive one, as much as i want to love it and buy it on steam, i tend to avoid it... because the comittment to skill is too much

thats what happened to me with celeste

i bought it, and then i was like too bad im never in the mood to play it lol

but then again i have a procrastination personality even with easy games

takes me awhile to motivate myself up to play a game

[vague galleon]

I just wasnt good at like, avoiding hit and landing hits and stuff. I've played a few different of these games and im just not good at them

im also bad at megaman and side scrolling metroid games

I am fine at 2D zelda like games though i think.

[tranquil cove]

what about terraria

[vague galleon]

terraria is good.

[tranquil cove]

terraria is more forgiving i think

[vague galleon]

not really the same kind of combat, plus like, RPG elements.

[tranquil cove]

and it gives you alternative strategies to beat bosses, like creating arenas that will favor the player in a fight etc.

[vague galleon]

only way to beat moon lord!

[timber prism]

There are definitely ways to abuse mechanics by utilizing moving up and down to not get hit in some of them. But can't really do that in side scrollers like mega man

[vague galleon]

i only ever like, did okay in the first one?

i like the legends game better.

[timber prism]

I wish i played more Legends

I basically played the OG run and X

[vague galleon]

i hyped up legends 2 way too much that by the time i actually got it and played it, i realized it was a very bare boned game and not super amazing.
I still need to finish it.
As for legends 1, i beat it and did most thing on the n64 but on my PS1 some of the side events didnt end up triggering

i will forever be upset we didnt get MML3

[timber prism]

Marvel Beat Em Up was okay

way too easy tho

i like the tag system

[misty arch]

https://youtu.be/Ha25prWyS6k?si=cV75SO4P7EcT223a

[torn heron]

!about

[modern gyro]

You do not have the required permissions to run this command

[torn heron]

!coinflip

[modern gyro]

You do not have the required permissions to run this command

[torn heron]

mm

[misty arch]

https://youtu.be/0S8-PNRDHUM?si=OI7gk9z8P7CcMU60

[reef bobcat]

does anyone would like to play it takes two or A Way out I'm on Steam Pc and i've got the game

[frank sonnet]

i understand now why nightingale was not received that well

[tepid wadi]

Oof

They had a lot of really cool ideas, but didnt manage to synthesize them into a good game

[frank sonnet]

it feels bland to me

[timber prism]

Decided to pick it up because its free right now but not sure if I'll ever install it XD

[misty arch]

delayed at the last minute
https://www.gamespot.com/articles/kingmakers-a-pc-game-about-bringing-guns-to-a-swordfight-delayed-at-the-last-minute/1100-6535209/

[vague galleon]

oh no

[tepid wadi]

Honestly, their reasoning is sound.

I support devs being open about delaying a game to make sure that it's everything they promised it to be.

[vague galleon]

totally

[tepid wadi]

A delayed game can be good eventually, but an unfinished shipped game is bad forever in the eyes of the customer.

[vague galleon]

unless it's NMS.

[tepid wadi]

Yeah, I mean they've spent 10 years working on the game without additional paid content though, so it's definitely an outlier, lol

[vague galleon]

it absolutely is.

[frank sonnet]

NMS was the exception the vast majority of studios can't pull off what hello games did.

[tepid wadi]

I'm sure most studios would love to, but unfortunately money exists

[misty arch]

most studios this day dont exist long enough to pull off what Hello Games did

[thick furnace]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1225566716474560623/1423818058421768212/image.png?ex=68e1b166&is=68e05fe6&hm=1e49d0060d78298c237ab784b16bbcc5a625a5573931219ffccf6ed09028bfa3&
Come join Skaldsong! hit me up if interested. Or look it up on steam

[vague galleon]

#self-promo

[tranquil cove]

just name your game company after the famous song of the time

like chocolate rain

baby shark games

etc.

In the deep games

this will guarantee longevity

yeah my guess is hello games named their company after this song https://youtu.be/WmH4iWoJfTo?list=RDWmH4iWoJfTo but apprently there is a hello song by lionel ritchie and another by adele too, halo by beyonce

aww hello games founded in 2008

so solveig and dragonette named their song after hello games

[frank sonnet]

The annoying thing is people use NMS's redemption arc to silence valid criticism of a game being put on the market in a unfinished state

[round beacon]

https://tenor.com/view/baby-facepalm-raxalxshivar-anano-ananofacepalm-gif-12554045231795655384

[vagrant knoll]

Hi !
I really enjoyed Enshrouded and look for similar games which are doable as a **solo **player (resources, craft, buidlings, and some PvE content).
Some similar games can be annoying without friends, but i thought Enshrouded was good for both (single and multiplayer)
What i enjoyed in this game is the fact that our base can't be destroyed : it seems many other games don't do the same (Vahlheim, Return to Moria, ...)

Do you have any advices ? Thanks !

[spare temple]

Old but still nice IMHO : Conan Exiles. Without mounts, there were none when I started playing it, I had the exploration thrills I got again in Enshrouded, with much pleasure.

[vagrant knoll]

I'll take a look thanks !

[gleaming prism]

and very similar to Conan is Soulmask. mesoamerican setting with some high tech ancient aliens pyramid mumbo jumbo (quite refreshing, actually) open world (not voxel), crafting, building, taming animals, recruiting people, managing a village and automation, you can 'possess' any of your tribespeople and play as them. very in-depth and very customizable. currently in early access, releasing in 1.0 later this year

[stray coral]

Co-op abilities?

[gleaming prism]

servers, official, unofficial, pvp, pve.. i believe you can also join a friend's game like in enshrouded (haven't tried myself) perfectly playable as single player too (needs some minor setting adjustments, you can have npc followers)