other-games

[tepid wadi]

If the goal is to have a playable microcosm of the game then that makes sense, but that's not what MMO players are gonna be after.

[peak marsh]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JXvYk_GG9CM

[tepid wadi]

They sponsored a bunch of people, looks like

Definitely seems worth a try

[timber prism]

Im glad that content creators are actually putting out more videos for this game ^^

having actual chats with npcs was hilarious trying to unlock quests

My first big critique is why haven't a trinity system and you dont even have the trinity ready Xd

[peak marsh]

I mean exactly. Especially when you only have 4 classes available for the 'preview' or whatever it was. How you gon' have a tank that don' tank? xD

[timber prism]

procedural content is fun.. its definitely something I would try and its better than spamming the same exact dungeon

that is very concerning on a fundamental level XD

[peak marsh]

I mean sure, but if both are available at level 1 it makes the progression path confusing

[timber prism]

like.. why wouldn't you have that tank have any way to aggro enemies

XD

you should never out dps an enemy to hold that aggro XD

i also agree its like a non cohesive system at all content wise

it sounds like kickstarter buzz words

[peak marsh]

But also with the whole blue zone/red zone thing. Are both viable paths to progress? If not, and if one is better than the other, aren't you forcing the players who want to play one to engage with the other, if they want to or not?

[timber prism]

its a mmo, a rogue lite, procedurally generated

[peak marsh]

Also, why the Fortnite building? Srsly, why the Fortnite building tho

[timber prism]

i can only imagine their think tank XD

What do people like?

"FORTNITE!"

[honest sparrow]

Its not even procedually generated

map is the same each time

[timber prism]

i thought they said its set pieces set together

same with objectives

[honest sparrow]

hmm has been very similar for my first 3 worlds

but idk

[timber prism]

<.<

[honest sparrow]

maybe there are subtle changes

[timber prism]

you are playing Ghost?

https://youtu.be/C-lfbPENg3I?si=HOrxMDgi4Cebq8FC

^ this?

[honest sparrow]

no

[timber prism]

<.<

[honest sparrow]

lol i noticed this isnt about enshrouded

[timber prism]

yeah lmao

[honest sparrow]

oops

[timber prism]

no worries.. yeah.. we were talking about the content of this video haha

some new mmo being made

[peak marsh]

Thus "other games" xD

[timber prism]

you are right though... Enshrouded is def not procedurally generated haha

[peak marsh]

I mean, technically it kind of is. They use proc gen to create a rough version of the terrain, before they go back to sculpt it, add roads, add POIs, etc

Basically they use proc gen to do the boring, tedious stuff

[timber prism]

oh i just mean the world is a singular set piece

[peak marsh]

Yeah, I'm just being pedantic xD

[timber prism]

:d

I like how Josh was just like.. "WHY AM I HERE?"

hahaha

[peak marsh]

It's funny because yeah, valid question xD

He's MMO focused but he's always been more review focused and he definitely doesn't do hype pieces

And he raises the point of "how do I review something that isn't finished; How do I review the idea of something?"

[timber prism]

i dont watch his content but does he not do impression videos?

its always finalize game reviews?

bc im sure he is more than capable to critique something that isn't finished

its an awful way to show initial gameplay footage though... He was completely right and it was shown way to early for a livestream

i dont even think AoC made as poor choices as this lmao

[peak marsh]

The closest thing he does to impressions is when he does "Worst MMO ever" where he plays an already existing MMO and picks apart it's pros and cons and in most cases, why it died

His content mostly centers around discussing design philosophy, cohesion, and approach, none of which are present in what basically amounts to a proof of concept

[timber prism]

ahhhhh that makes sense

[peak marsh]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dTYTVAn2O2A - Like, here's an example of his "Worst MMO Ever" series

[tepid wadi]

Yeah but like even for your proof of concept you should be showing off what makes your game unique and better than other options.

[peak marsh]

And I mean, your proof of concept for an MMO probably shouldn't be a roguelike proc gen game with Fortnite building for ... reasons xD

[tepid wadi]

I can understand the focus on Blue Zones because they're probably a lot easier to deal with. Big open worlds aren't exactly a quick thing to put together.

[tepid wadi]

But yeah you want to draw the players who are going to want to play the game, and MMO players are gonna want to know how what they do in the world is permanent and impactful and will be seen by those around them.

[peak marsh]

I mean, it just feels like you're creating a weird split. Out of your total population, some will want to only do blue zones, some will only do red, and a handful will do both, meaning you never have a large concentration of players focused on any one part of the experience

[tepid wadi]

Based on Josh's video though, there will be unique resources coming from each, so it also kind of forces you to do both sides, even if you don't want to

Or I guess buy the resources from the side you don't want to do

I'm also with Josh on the "a lot of people want to play a MMO, but they also want to do it solo." There's something special about existing in a world with tons of players, but like... if a huge chunk of the content is instanced off in blue zones then you'll never be around those people.

[peak marsh]

Well, and there will be still more players who don't mind or even want to play with others, but don't like roguelike mechanics and want a more direct and permanent progression path. Those players won't want to be forced to interact with it and might even be annoyed by it if they become more popular than the red zones

[tepid wadi]

I mean that's something that I think MMO players just need to deal with. Not all content is going to be best for everyone. If you want to build a really solid living world, then there are going to be things in it that you just don't want to do. BUT those things shouldn't be required so the people who do want to do those things can do them. And those things are going to take development time that is "wasted" for you.

But on the flipside, if things are properly designed, improvement to content that you don't want to do can still have a positive impact on your play experience.

[peak marsh]

Oh sure, and in something like an MMO you want to have content that appeals broadly. ESO does that balance very well. Whether you want to run public dungeons, instanced dungeons, fight world bosses, do the story quests, or just roam around and climb all over the map, all of those things are valid paths of progression and don't distract from one another

[tepid wadi]

Yeah, exactly. They can all progress your core experience, and if they have specific rewards for specific content that's also okay as long as it doesn't block you from being able to make other progress.

Like, you can't require raid drops to get good enough gear to clear solo quest content, or the opposite. But if the raid drops unique visuals on gear, then it can still be a valuable reward that doesn't hinder other play.

[feral plover]

https://store.steampowered.com/app/2475010/Pizza_Bandit/ this game comes out in 5h im so hyped for it haha. Anyone played this demo?

Steam

Pizza Bandit

Pizza Bandit is what happens when a third-person shooter crashes headfirst into a cooking show — bullets, bounties, and burnt crusts flying everywhere. In this mission-based, 4-player co-op adventure, you play as an ex-mercenary chasing an oddly specific dream: opening the galaxy’s greatest pizza joint.

Armed with time-travel tech and…

Release Date

Aug 25, 2025

▶ Play video

Seems like a weird combination of cozy since you can customize your own restaurant but also do bounties and runs to mess up baddies gears of war style xD

[misty arch]

https://youtu.be/g_clFnDfMjw?si=wMPxKcrDNuPBPleA

[peak marsh]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_80DVbedWiI

[tranquil cove]

seems like a clickbait title

with like 50 videos saying the same thing for the last 10 years of youtube

wish the games would die already

[peak marsh]

Nah, he makes a point. "Traditional" are preforming far less than games that operate as a platform, especially ones of those that also run on mobile

Younger demographics vastly prefer mobile games, and generally don't identify as 'gamers' but rather as players of game X

[tranquil cove]

you know of people on discord who play mobile games only? i dont even think i can name a mobile only game except candycrush

i didnt own a phone since 1 year ago too

[peak marsh]

Plant a Garden, a game within the game Roblox, currently boasts the largest concurrent player count ever. Like, full stop

[tranquil cove]

a phone game can only do so much, including destroy your eyes with the tiny 5 inch screens

[peak marsh]

Not for people under 25

[tranquil cove]

can i play Battlefield 6 on a phone?

and have the same expierence as on PC on a 32 inch screen?

[peak marsh]

That's the thing, younger demographics broadly don't care about BF6

[tranquil cove]

you can't kill an experience

younger kids i know mostly play roblox and minecraft.

[peak marsh]

They don't play games on their PC, heck they don't really "play games". They play Roblox, Genshin, Fortnite, etc. They just play a game and it's usually a game they can play on a phone or tablet because that's what they grew up with

[tranquil cove]

yeah because PCs are usually lots of money, but the trend will probably be as they transition to adulthood they might buy a PC or a mac at least, which opens more games up.

[peak marsh]

Monogamers, if you will. They effectively play one thing

[tranquil cove]

monogamers exist on PC too

[peak marsh]

Sure, and that too is starting to have impacts on the broader industry

[tranquil cove]

countless people i met online who have brand new gaming pcs and just play league of legends all day, drives me insane.

[stray coral]

I tend to just play one game at a time till i tire of it

[tranquil cove]

still every gaming discord i see for an EA title has like 10k people in it

look at enshrouded

its a stretch to say its dying

7 billion people on the planet

there will just be lots of niches, and the niches will be big enough to fund small studios

[peak marsh]

Joining a discord isn't the same as playing the game. We have 150k+ users on this server. Of those, probably 10% are actually actively playing, and I'd hazard a large percentage don't even own the game

I mean, that's the point of the video. "Traditional gaming" as we know it is becoming a niche

It won't happen tomorrow, but it is happening

[tranquil cove]

i mean im not playing currently right now im enjoying rimworld, before that titan quest 2, but i played for 400 hours,

[stray coral]

My household of 7 of the 7 six play alot of games.

Now my kids are on ps5 or xbox more than cpu

[tranquil cove]

maybe, but my nephews who saw me playing games on my PC were pretty interested in the games.

even though they only have tablets and play roblox

lol

[peak marsh]

I mean, when I was in a band plenty of kids were interested in my guitar but they didn't run out and buy a $1200 rig xD

[tranquil cove]

i think console is a better introduction for them

PCs are just very expensive if you get a good one

[tranquil cove]

eh maybe when im older ill donate my PC to some kids

[stray coral]

yeah only 5 cpu one is a hand me down older rig

3 new less than a year , mine is old 5 year

[tranquil cove]

when i was a kid like 12-18 i mostly went on a 3d chat program, and beyond that i played ultima online. i had a PC though because tablets didnt exist then. Anyway, playing 100 games a year wasnt possible like it was now. We were essentially monogamers then too. it was easy to focus on the 3d chat program and ultima for me, and occasionally when i went to the store and bought a game, i would play BG2 on the side or something.

so it could be that between 12-18 focusing on 2-3 games is actually normal human behaviour.

i played sim city a lot i guess

sim city, age of empires, baldurs gate, ultima

my gaming habits are way different than they were when i was a kid basically

and part of that is circumstances are different

[stray coral]

I just dropped my UO accounts a year ago

Greg is really working to revive it or at least keep it going after Bonnie

[timber prism]

My niece and nephew dont really play games a lot but own a PS5 and Switch because of their dad. They play games like Lego themed ones. They do watch a lot of Roblox content on YT. I can see how young kids are mostly spending time watching streamers and content creators because its cheaper than playing the game

They dont have phones being 9 and 6.

[peak marsh]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ybji-_3csCs

[misty arch]

yep, sept is going to be big for gaming. To many releasing next month.

he forgot the new Hotshots golf, Endless Legend 2, Daemon X Machina: Titanic Scion, Towa And the Guardians of the Sacred Tree, and Jump Space

[tranquil cove]

i must still be a monogamer, more games i wont buy 😛

i already reached my $100 limit this year

what is going to be special about borderlands 4

except that EPIC will give it to me for free after 4 months.

like they did with borderlands 3.

borderlands 3 reminded me of fallout 4, just boring after awhile.

[obtuse scroll]

Hard to have a $100 yearly budget when so many games are $100 -_- lol

[tranquil cove]

i buy games on sale that are early access usually

i don't know why but triple A titles dont have me excited. they feel like they were made by an AI

[obtuse scroll]

Yeah, I buy stuff like that too, but I do like some AAA titles too.

[tranquil cove]

i probably own very few triple A's

borderlands 3, i got for free on epic

I own like skyrim and borderlands 2

[obtuse scroll]

I own a lot of them, I like playing games. I already preordered WoW, there was no reason to wait, I was gonna play it no matter what.

[tranquil cove]

my purchases this year

maybe my limit is like 120$

[obtuse scroll]

So many sci-fi ones LOL I haven't been as interested in that the last couple years.

[tranquil cove]

i should have waited for odyssey to go on sale, but i was impatient

space engineers 2 is almost alpha release

not even really early access material, so im waiting for content, i will probably be playing it a ton in nov/december when the actual content releases.

but the devs are on track and doing amazing.

also waiting for titan quest 2 to update, and meanwhile im playing rimworld odyssey

sometimes peak, somtimes abiotic factor with friends

IM also waiting for build 42 multiplayer of prject zomboid so i can get in on a server with a group of friends and play that. love project zomboid, and i'm good at it.

so yeah despite having a narrow budget, i keep busy

[peak marsh]

Not if you buy indie

[obtuse scroll]

I have too many games that are AAA or close to it. I mean, the next WoW expac was $90

[misty arch]

nice thing is if you are someone who can hold out, the winter steam sale is not to far off.

[obtuse scroll]

Also, since I play wow, I have a subscription to pay. That's a good $156 a year

[misty arch]

if people are looking to try something new and have never played it, PoE2 is completely free this weekend to play.
https://youtu.be/TaWhgAvVDX4?si=8HgSFjxVcgQJWkxA

[tranquil cove]

crazy

personally its why i never do subscriptions anymore

i just want to buy a game once and own it, then play on my own time without missing content

[obtuse scroll]

I've paid for 20 years....doesn't look like I'm giving it up anytime soon

[frail thunder]

I've noticed that you generally get very different communities of players when there's a monthly sub vs free monthly. And it deviates further if there's an initial cost for the game vs free game. Because you can end up with a whole bunch of different scenarios. Base game could be paid or free. Then expansion updates could be paid or free separate from whatever the base game was. Then there's monthly sub or not. Then there's also additional MTX for various things.

WoW and FFXIV both have the paid Base + paid DLC + paid monthly sub + MTX

One of my friends has active sub for WoW, FFXI, and FFXIV. All up to date with all the expansions. I tell him he's crazy. I don't see why you'd have 3 different MMO subs active at the same time. I guess if you have some serious AD(H)D then I could see it.

[obtuse scroll]

Nah, each have their content around each other. I play WoW when the content is new, switch to FFXIV when I'm having a down time between content, then back to WoW.

[timber prism]

No different than playing 3 non sub games at the same time. If you fully caught up you can just do dailies/weeklies in each and log off

[frail thunder]

I suppose.

[tepid wadi]

Kinda like to the point where ARPGs are finally getting to. Last Epoch, Diablo 4, PoE1+2, TQ2, you can play each for a few weeks before moving on ot the next one.

Depending on what you like about each game, you can "stick with" multiples if you like to focus on the new content.

[obtuse scroll]

A few weeks, I wish.

The MMOs suck you in and never let you go LOL

[frail thunder]

I tried to make some mods for Skyrim to turn it into a solo MMO of sorts. Either you act as a healer/tank or have "party" members do so. I couldn't get all the AI stuff to work quite right so it never really took off.

[misty arch]

you might like this then
https://youtu.be/i0ni_Ty27d8?si=pognWf4eblrfH9nb

[vague galleon]

simulated?

why would I play shitty MMO gameplay without other players?

[peak marsh]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s1ZLlo4jgDY

[misty arch]

https://youtu.be/Rjx_iIcMN2s?si=7hDHrJNxicR2G3Hc

[peak marsh]

That's one of those things that I really don't get. Is it the UK where they do that? And every year like 17 people end up in the hospital? xD

I know there's tradition involved and everything but also, bruh

[runic basin]

I appreciate the heads up. I already have it, but it’d be great to introduce a couple of family members to it

[misty arch]

think thats Wisconsin

[peak marsh]

The Cooper's Hill Cheese-Rolling and Wake is an annual event held on the Spring Bank Holiday at Cooper's Hill, at Brockworth near Gloucester, England. Participants race down the 200-yard long hill chasing a wheel of Double Gloucester cheese.

That thing

[vague galleon]

None of my neighbors do this.

waste of good cheese.

[honest sparrow]

Cheese wasting is hard to forgive

[autumn flax]

Watch cowboy_hippy with me on Twitch! https://www.twitch.tv/cowboy_hippy?sr=a

[peak marsh]

#self-promo

[misty arch]

https://youtu.be/qHZLz1MW0aE?si=MiicRD9GQ9FkRmW1

[tepid wadi]

I feel like they have been PUMPING updates for NMS out lately. Wasn't the new settlement update pretty recent?'

[misty arch]

that came out back in june. This is quite the drastic update. They have never allowed you to walk around inside your basic ship, only freighters. They also mention this tech is being used for Light No Fire as well.

https://youtu.be/erz96N4ENJ8?si=MqhCx088qwisbrVH

[tepid wadi]

I mean June to August isnt that long. But yeah.

I have little interest in going back to NMS often, but each update is CLEARLY adding tech for LNF, and that makes me hyped

[peak marsh]

Yeah. I think it's been like, 4 or 5 years since I last played NMS but every few years I check in on it and it feels like a completely different experience each time

Though something about it never really holds me for long. It always just feels like a lot of grind to get anywhere once you reach a point

[tepid wadi]

For me its just that I can feel the procedural "formula" and as much as each update makes me able to enjoy it a bit longer, I still start to see the seams of the generation and get bored.

[misty arch]

I agree. It is one of those games that I can come back for new expeditions and then once done take a break

[tepid wadi]

That said, compared to when they released, it is SO much better.

[misty arch]

am trying to figure out how to get the new ships. interesting that they are going the route of the new ship games like Jump Space and allowing you and your friends to crew your ship

but Sean did say that the reason for this was that Lite No Fire will have boats that you and your friends have to crew. So this is the first test.

[tepid wadi]

Tbh that could make multiplayer really cool. Multi-person crews where everyone has a job is a great idea.

[peak marsh]

It is and it's something I feel like not enough games have explored. Guns of Icarus Online was fairly successful for a time just on that premise alone

Like it was the primary gameplay: ship vs ship combat where each ship is run by a crew of 4 performing different roles

Done well in a PvE game with a broader scope would be a lot of fun. Moreso if they simplify finding other players

Like if NMS ever gets a true MMO update and maybe adds in some kind of crew finder, it would be huge

[tepid wadi]

Tbh with the way they're doing things, I bet NMS gets full MMO-style support when LNF releases.

[misty arch]

that would not surprise me since Light No Fire is leaning into the more fantasy genre and NMS is Sci-Fi. Gives them the ability to run both

[tepid wadi]

Exactly

[tranquil cove]

seems weird, the ship designs dont have room for walking around in them

many ships are like x-wings, nobody walks around in an x-wing, you open the cockpit and sit down.

would also feel weird if i have like 10 miles of walking space in my ship, but on the outside it's 3x shorter.

did they get dimensional space or something 😆

ahh i see

The No Man's Sky Voyagers update introduces customizable starships called Corvettes, allowing players to build and design their own ships with living spaces and crew capabilities. This update enhances gameplay by enabling players to explore the galaxy together, using their ships as mobile bases.

it's a ship type

[misty arch]

yes, its the new corvettes

they designed these new ships to specifically test this mechanic. It is going to be used in Light No Fire for your boats.

[tranquil cove]

boats?

lame

i wanted to walk inside my dragon

man i hate no mans sky

its forcing me to play it again

STOP making updates so i can forget you exist!

like i do with every other game i own

[misty arch]

https://youtu.be/vXwhtn-eGm4?si=0KdNRpAN68V4Uj0Q

[peak marsh]

So you just log in and watch the pretty lights xD

[timber prism]

If you like large scale pvp with actual strategy its pretty fun

Think MMO large scale pvp without needing to spend months grinding gear

There is actually a ceiling as well so its not just mindless blob tactics found in other games

[peak marsh]

Fair to note that PVP isn't really my jam unless I'm playing something like a fighting game

[misty arch]

https://youtu.be/nMBBXqu0OLE?si=0abAHeKp02FOvA8T

[tranquil cove]

how does this game work

if i wanted a tank or a jet plane or helicopter can i always get one?

do you have to be the first to run to it? or do you select it in the menus out of a limited number allowed?

or is there is a requirement to unlock them

[misty arch]

you have to be the first to spawn in them at start but once they blow up anyone can get into when they respawn.

its the old seat slots. once someone moves out of the way, you can enter it

[tranquil cove]

you spawn in them?

You have to wait for one to respawn or for a teammate to exit/die in it.

what would cause one to respawn?

i dont get it

[tepid wadi]

They just respawn over time at their original location, I believe

[tranquil cove]

man the language used here is so bad to explain

respawn makes me think its spawning on the map

but it's not really because you enter it from the menus still

yeah not ideal lol

i guess thats why they added the cooldown though, but the person who just died will know exactly when the cooldown started, and if they timed the cooldowns at 30 seconds, they still have the advantage.

was thinking to buy battlefield but not if i have to struggle to get a vehicle every match

this sounds horrible lol

If you're actively trying for a tank or attack heli, you might get one every 10–15 minutes if you're sharp.

you have to camp a menu

so Jet/Heli is off the menu

[timber prism]

BF labs is open again to sign up if interested

[frail thunder]

During the beta weekends my friend was constantly complaining about not being able to get a vehicle. Even if he sat there camping the spawn menu. Which ofc prevented him from doing anything productive in the mean time.

[timber prism]

I didnt have issues being gunner but actually being in a driver seat was tough at times. I didnt fight over being in one either if it was just there I would use it. I rather engineer and keep the tank up while tank busting

[misty arch]

do remember that the beta's were small maps, which means less vehicles.

[timber prism]

There are only 3 large maps and we saw 1 in the beta

Everything seems very laned this time which is unfortunate but it does seem they are trying to bring in the COD crowd

[peak marsh]

Makes sense since from what I'm hearing COD is being a little wacky this cycle

[tepid wadi]

Everything I've heard about the beta was that despite smaller maps, the game was hella fun

[peak marsh]

Yeah, pretty much everyone I follow has had nothing but good things to say and small constructive criticisms

On top of that COD is catching flak because apparently they were caught using generative AI to make cash shop skins

[tepid wadi]

I don't know how companies keep making that mistake. Gamers have made it pretty clear that they hate it

[peak marsh]

Especially when you're running one of the biggest game franchises on the planet in terms of revenue

(excluding mobile, because mobile is on another plane of existance)

[timber prism]

It was pretty entertaining with friends. Put in about 20-30 hours i think. Finished all challenges from both weekends. I have a lot more good things to say than bad but it if I have one main criticism is that due to the changes it felt the least battlefield of all the ones I played.

I did start going through BF2042 for the new BP to unlock more BF6 stuff and its 100% better than BF2042 so thats good XD

[tranquil cove]

i actually hate corvettes 😄

in no mans sky

obviously concept is good, but it's still based on a build system from 2016

nothing fits the way i want it too, cockpits are always ugly, you have to farm/grind parts

the way things fit is restrictive and it's a parts builder end of the day, which is the least ideal of all building options.

meaning i have depend on someone elses theme, design for the part, but i think every single part is ugly.

and thats because in general ships in no mans sky are kind of ugly.

i wasnt fond of their ship building expansion either or the freighter customizations

and the game still has tons and tons of bugs

freighters still wonk out internally, been a bug for like 3 years now

[tepid wadi]

Idk I love the solar sail skips

[tranquil cove]

not all ships are ugly, the ship customization was okay because you could just build a version of a ship you wanted, rather than grind for it. but it was very basic.

painting is also a huge problem in the game, basically no freedom in painting

warframe does a good job of painting freedom more.

i think NMS is too old for me at this point

light no fire hopefully will improve on all of this

i have 400 hours in nms, and 400 million credits etc.

most things completed, freighter, nice base etc.

[tepid wadi]

Yeah, I'm sure they'll continue to make updates as we get closer to LNF

Wouldn't surprise me if there was a big "customization overhaul" at some point, where you got a lot more granular customization.

I've never loved NMS's base implementation, but that's mostly because I'm on a mission to explore a galaxy, why should I put down roots on a single planet?

[tranquil cove]

ive tried for like 10 hours to make a nice corvette

it's prtty difficult, and im usually good at building in these games

it also doesnt help that there is a bug that delete parts you have when you take them off your ship in the builder, rather than return it to inventory

so i've also lost a lot of parts

[tranquil cove]

you would like my base, its very pretty

but it also was hell to build, and base building has so many qol issues, and problems.

[tepid wadi]

You can definitely make some nice looking stuff, my problem is more of a psychological design conflict between the things the game wants me to do. Though it does a good job barely forcing you do to it.

[tranquil cove]

actually dont go to that world

lol woops

i dont want people on my beautiful planet

lol

[tepid wadi]

lol, don't worry. I was going to load it up, but the POE2 league launches in a few hours and I don't want to get just barely started with NMS again before that.

[tranquil cove]

see bases are nice, but texture issues, alignment issues, lighting issues, wiring issues... snap issues.

all very frustrating.

oh see a screenshot of the freighter bug

random walls appear sometimes, and you can also clip through the floor.

[tepid wadi]

I haven't had that, but I also haven't played since before the ship customization update, so it's been awhile

[peak marsh]

Yeah I've always thought this. Like if universe hopping is my main goal doesn't that make the base building redundant?

[tepid wadi]

Yeah, I'd much rather there be mechanics that make me want to move on to another planet instead of ones that make me want to sit on one. But on the flipside, I think there are plenty of people who just like the fact that base building exists and enjoy building those bses, so 🤷‍♀️

[peak marsh]

Yeah, which I get too. People like to nest/homestead

[tepid wadi]

Yeah

[peak marsh]

But mechanically I'm like, why set up on any one planet when anything it has will be on a planet in another system? Especially when they made freighters a thing

The only time it makes sense to have a base is early on when you're trying to make your first few mil. Set up on a planet with salt and get established

Set up a base > oxygen harvesters > medium refinery > make/sell chlorine

[tepid wadi]

I usually just wander until I find a planet with storm orbs or whatever and then pick up a million of them and sell them

[peak marsh]

That too works xD

[tranquil cove]

i sell ships

dissonant ships, they can go for 40 million each and take like 8 minutes to find.

there's no reason to explore in NMS

[round beacon]

theres plenty of reason to explore in nms. just most of them arent for you

[tranquil cove]

you can pretty much do everything you need to on a few planets, once you find one earth like the next 20 are similar.

not when you've already seen 1000 systems

[round beacon]

100 dollars say ive seen shit you havent

[tranquil cove]

of course you have, but it's nuanced differences, one planet will have green water instead of blue, or a different sky, or bubbles, or floating islands, or mech dinosaurs.

[round beacon]

exactly. as i said. plenty of reason. just not your reasons

[tranquil cove]

there's no reason tied into gameplay

[round beacon]

if you want to argue like that then you shouldnt play. because knowing this game well you can be professionally established and kittet out within less than 2 hours ofstarting a new playsession

[tranquil cove]

you need a system that spawns a freighter, a dissonant world, a world with salvageable scrap, and a world to setup some farms for O2 or other resources. but with a few resources and a freighter or a base you can craft every single resource in the game from just visiting a handful of planets.

and maybe an earth like because you want something pretty

[round beacon]

pretty lies in the eyes of the beholder

[peak marsh]

In one of my playthroughs I got really attached to an irradiated world xD

Ring, two moons, and something about the landcape was cool to me

[round beacon]

exactly what im sayin. different people find different things they enjoy.

[peak marsh]

Set up a base right next to a space port so I had activity/neighbors

[tranquil cove]

interesting im not really attached to any world, i think the possibility of finding 1000 planets eliminates the 'special' feeling of a world for me. regardless of what it has or looks like, that other planets don't have.

[round beacon]

well i like exactly that. finding this "perfect place" that fits literaly every single aspect i want from it. this is the only gamewhere its possible

[tranquil cove]

the only thing that really is yours, is your suit upgrades, planets anyone can find and visit

ships, there's so many you'd be upgrading them for years

there's only 1 exosuit though, unless you make a new game

[round beacon]

and also only one planet thats exactly "that" theres no two same worlds.

[tranquil cove]

freighters, aside from the interior and paint, they look the same

[round beacon]

yeah. would also like them to now work on freighters due to our new ships makin them a bit obsolete

[peak marsh]

Corvettes were a cool addition. I like the idea of a smaller sized ship you can still walk around in and set up

[round beacon]

i love this update to bits

[misty arch]

might have to wait awhile. Everything they are doing dev wise seems to tie to Light No Fire. The corvettes are going to be how we build the boats in it. I do not, however, see where Freighters or something like them would fit into LNF. So them working on something doesnt seem likely right now.

[peak marsh]

I could see it. Maybe LNF has like large galleons or something where you can set up the below deck areas

[round beacon]

part part. im well aware about them workin in tandem. but regardless i believe in them workin on game specific features for nms still. even if it takes a while longer. they earned my loyalty over the years

[peak marsh]

Actually on further thought, galleons in LNF would be pretty awesome. Like you have your smaller 4 - 8 person crew schooners, then large guild sized galleon ships 🤔

Could see a situation where you have pirate guilds roaming around

[round beacon]

could see that. with this worldsize

[peak marsh]

Or maybe have pirates the same way you have sentinels in NMS

[misty arch]

https://youtu.be/5LPO7TCpNzU?si=dAxF1h7M8SjsX-eL

[timber prism]

What build are you running this league?

[vague galleon]

it sucks that NMS requires time and dedication and isnt a pick up and play whenever game.

[tepid wadi]

I've got a few concepts, but since we don't have the passive tree, I'm gonna wing it:

1. Crossbow Blood Mage (Plasma Blast Bleeds go brrrrr)
2. Quarterstaff (Hollow palm?) Stormweaver using triggered spells to trigger elemental storms
3. Bow Amazon (Snipe while riding a mount, easy crit cap, big kaboom)
   4: Crossbow Witchhunter - Plasma Blast + Grenades

I always make my own builds, because that's a big chunk of the fun for me

[peak marsh]

https://www.youtube.com/shorts/51Hl0nfNkPg - I don't care if I can pop off the D-Pad, attach a set of wheels and drive it to the store, I'm not paying $300 for a controller

I can buy a console for $300

[tepid wadi]

lol

[round beacon]

wdym? 🧐

you can playthat game quite casually tbh. soon as you know how a few systems work its honestly no real time commitment anymore and can be handled quite casually

[peak marsh]

Yeah and over the years they've streamlined the getting started process a lot. As long as you know a few resources to make your initial first few mil by the time you unlock the anomaly you can get set up pretty well pretty fast with nanites and upgrades

If you're using your scanner when you land on planets the anomaly will throw buckets of nanites at you

And even all that aside they've added a lot more things buried underground you can find on pretty much any planet that will get you a lot of easy money

It's definitely not like it was in like 2019/2020 or earlier where early game was a slog

[round beacon]

lol money makin realy is the smallest of issues u have with the game now. dont even know where to put it anymore xD

and soon as you have a few scanner mods. nanites are also very easy to come by

[timber prism]

https://poe.ninja/poe2/passive-skill-tree/25ci1ecUQiMrcK2nCsMsGFB1y

I think it has most stuff updated

[tepid wadi]

Lot of them don't have descriptions still

Like you can see the new nodes, but 🤷‍♀️

[vague galleon]

flying is a skill i lose when i havent played in a while.

[peak marsh]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1P7xMR4NnTU

[round beacon]

eh. the only things i kinda forget the shortcut keyboard stuff for the first hour 😅

[misty arch]

Rumor has it, thanks to Gamestop, HollowKnight Silksong will only cost 19.99

[peak marsh]

How is that? I'm reluctant to believe Gamestop did something good

[misty arch]

they posted but quickly removed their upcoming game releases with pricing

switch 2 version of silksong was on it at 19.99

[peak marsh]

Oh, if it's a leak I believe that. Sounds like standard issue Gamestop bumbling

I thought you meant like somehow Gamestop had forced the price down or something

[misty arch]

ooo no, its just them giving us a tip

[peak marsh]

That's cool if true. They could easily charge $30 - 40 and people would probably pay it due to the hype, but the devs seem like good people who are just doing what they love

I still enjoy the story that the only reason it took so long is because they were just having so much fun working on it. True story

[misty arch]

and that was the real point of the article. if it is really 19.99 that is an amazing value for a brand new game everyone is waiting for

[peak marsh]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m-WdMwgckac&t=721s&pp=ygUZc2lsa3NvbmcgZGVsYXkgaGF2aW5nIGZ1bg%3D%3D

They're saying instead of development hell, it was actually stuck in development heaven because the extra time is because the devs were just having a blast xD

[misty arch]

uhhh hey guys. werent we supposed to release like years ago??? oh crap, completely forgot, the game is soooo much fun.

[peak marsh]

I mean, kinda xD They were funded so they were just having fun coming up with and adding ideas

I have a feeling it'll show in the end product

[tranquil cove]

like i said good in concept

bad in execution because they dont actually improve any game mechanics

building is still as bad as it was 7 years ago - like i said i've been at it for around 8 hours most of that grinding parts on a planet, and i've yet to make any ship build i am satisfied with. even worse, i've yet to see a path to making anything i will like and enjoy... i can't see even a possible way that i could combine things in an enjoyable manner that i think looks good. usually in games i can at least see a path to get what i want, or i make some gradual progress over time..

like if i was going to a game for building a ship i can customize, NMS is an option sure

but Space Engineers 2 is the king - why would i enjoy anything NMS has to offer in this area, over SE2, or even cosmoteer.

tbh i even have more fun in rimworld odyssey

and building there is grindier than anything

it could just be i am very picky

i was super annoyed with core keeper too - for base building in particular.

[timber prism]

https://store.steampowered.com/app/1494810/Mortal_Sin/

Steam

Mortal Sin

Eyes locked on your prey.

You kill without remorse.

After all… it’s either you or them.…

Price

$19.99

Recommendations

3845

▶ Play video

[peak marsh]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t4Ks3MJy44Y

(Switch 2 but also PC)

Personally I prefer the more X Box style layout so I'm happy with the 8bitdo Ultimate, but everything I've heard is that this is basically the best D-Pad centric/PS style 3rd party controller out

[peak marsh]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_uyLMGceBOc

It's a cool system. I was expecting it to be something where you find them and can edit the interiors, but it's completely custom

[tepid wadi]

Yeah, it looks pretty solid. I'm sure they'll add more significantly different pieces over time, as well

[misty arch]

you can edit the interiors somewhat. Ive seen some people do some crazy things with the dinosaur fossils. They are also going to be launching the next Expedition hopefully Wednesday. This is a Corvette specific one, so expect to get tons of pieces during it.

[timber prism]

why does this look like a baby controller?

XD

im so confused about the swappable keys... it just changes what it looks like or actually changed the input for the controller?

if the former... who is actually looking at their controller to see what button they are hitting? <.<

[peak marsh]

It's just visual. I don't either, I just know which layout I'm on. It's so the buttons "show what they are" when you're going between PC and Switch, because that's important to some people. It's kinda neat but totally a gimmick

[tranquil cove]

ive looked at 100s of corvette pictures, none of them look good lol

and the cockpits, only 3, and wherever you place it looks bad

they probably look good on the inside though

but even that depends on how many expeditions you did and decorations unlocked to some extent

[misty arch]

expedition isnt running yet. it starts wednesday.

the month is stacked
https://www.pcgamer.com/games/pc-game-releases-september-2025/

[peak marsh]

Actually it's not even expeditions, you just land on a planet with "scrap material harvesting" and go wild. They even added it from the early systems, I started a new game for the lulz and I was able to harvest corvette parts from the first system

[tranquil cove]

no for internal decorations

[peak marsh]

It's actually pretty generous

[tranquil cove]

you only get good ones from expeditions and from unlocking them with salvaged data

salvaged data from buried technology modules on planets

[tranquil cove]

its easy enough to get the stuff yeah

[peak marsh]

Interior decos yeah. But the corvette parts you can salvage really easily and you can trade in low level parts for higher level parts. I'd say building a corvette is easiier than upgrading your basic ship

[tranquil cove]

i dont really care how hard it is, i care that it looks good after the work

lol

i just dont like how corvettes look externally so far

[peak marsh]

That's the other point I guess, if you're not into the looks of them selling corvette parts early game is a move too. One corvette part can sell for 1.5 - 2m units

[tranquil cove]

what they should do

[peak marsh]

And it's not hard to farm like 20 of them

[tranquil cove]

is allow people to share their corvette builds in game, so i can select someones build that i like, and just edit from there, this way a pro expert builder who maybe got a decent looking corvette done after 50 hours, could share their work and i could use it and have something i am satisfied with immediately.

right now im trying to look at uploaded pictures

but honestly i dont really see anything i like

[peak marsh]

Yeah a Steam workshop for corvette builds would go pretty hard

I've already seen like Star Destroyer builds etc on YT

[tranquil cove]

its still pretty hard to farm every part

not sure what the total parts are, but you get lots of doubles/triples of the same stuff, and usually to make a sucessful trade you need to trade 3 parts for 1

i've gone on 3 farming trips filling up like 50 slots and still dont have every part

again it doesnt help that my parts are getting deleted when building

[peak marsh]

Nah, I literally just spent a couple hours farming parts and I now have like 30 mil in parts alone. Plus you can trade up for S ranked parts from farmed parts

[tranquil cove]

sorry i filled 70 slots

i filled 70 slots dude what are you talking about

stop making it seem easy 😆

some of these emptied because they are being used temporarily in the ship build i saved

but 70 SLOTS ALL FILLED with parts

3 trips of farming

and i still barely unlocked half of the parts

you can talk all day

i can screenshot

you see how many parts are missing after 3 farming trips

tons

it's not that easy, but this isn't even what bothers me

it's that corvettes are ugly externally

[peak marsh]

I mean, it is? Though I wish you had an option to store parts, its kind of an inventory sink

[tranquil cove]

that too

[peak marsh]

Like to effectively store corvette parts you have to build a corvette xD

[tranquil cove]

you get parts easy, but to get all the parts you might need to make more than 3 farming trips

since the parts you get are random, you might always get the same 70 parts

and miss the other 40 or whatever is left

i had to trade for ambassador hull and phase cannon

and to double up some engines i found

and im still missing a ton of parts

[peak marsh]

They really need to make it an option to store corvette parts in an cache or repository

[tranquil cove]

thats what i said to them too

make it so we can store our parts in the cache

[peak marsh]

Like it already exists but it only comes into play if you already have 10/10 parts and delete something. They need to make it standard

[tranquil cove]

the whole game has an inventory problem, people end up dedicating ships to specific storages

like one ship i have is all fishing

i have a love hate relationship with NMS and space engineers 1

so glad SE2 is much better

light no fire hopefully will be better

[peak marsh]

If they make it so parts can be dropped into a queue and not take inventory or storage space the update is 10/10

[tranquil cove]

also they need to fix a lot of bugs

i can give a list of like 10 things that need fixing

and its been 2 years no fix

[peak marsh]

And make it so you can trade/sell parts based on selected quantity and not force the player to split stacks

That part is kind of obnoxious xD

[peak marsh]

I mean I feel like with a game like NMS they probably have a laundry list of things they could fix but I feel like they've been pretty good about focusing on the big things

Though I still don't like that they've basically made it OK to release a broken product and apologize for it later. I refuse to let that one go xD

[tepid wadi]

Well it wasn't broken when they released it. It just didn't have like... 80% of the features that they'd advertised it having, which is a different problem (fraud)

[peak marsh]

I mean, it kind of was. In the sense that what they said it was wasn't anything close to what they said it was. And using AAA logic, that means promising one thing, delivering another, and making it up through the update process

Which I don't feel is a business model worth praising, though I do think what Hello Games has done is praiseworthy. It's a weird oxymoron

[tepid wadi]

yeah, I guess I just differentiate more between a "broken" product and one that doesn't do what was promised. That's what I get for having a testing background though 😝

No arguments that at released it was terrible compared to what they promised it to be

And definitely a bit of the "You caused this problem and expect praise for solving it?" going on there, too

[peak marsh]

That's fair. Technically speaking it wasn't broken

I'm just being harsh because the NMS launch warrents it

[tepid wadi]

oh totally

A masterclass in "how to not advertise your game"

[peak marsh]

Firing Sean Murray was their best development decision xD

[tranquil cove]

another bug for example

you cant run over poison plants

they wont demolish and block your vehicle

another bug, the same 1000 condensed carbon is refueling everything and staying at 1000

game is riddled with bugs, i wish they bug fixed more

cool down the updates, and start improving the quality

[peak marsh]

Honestly I agree with this. Spend an update cycle to just refine the experience

Like, you guys have given us enough, more than enough to make good on the original promise, how bout just give us some refinement?

[vague galleon]

refinement? nah. MORE CONTENT

refinement. LIKE THOSE DAMN LADDERS

[misty arch]

there is a slight fix to the storage issue. turn off distance for tping items from storage containers and use your freighter as a mobile base that has all of the storages on it. As long as its in the system you are in, the corvette crafting table can see them.

One thing to be aware of though with the Corvette table. It is possible to lose items when attemtping to trade for a new corvette piece. If you a stack of pieces and try to trade 1 or a smaller number than the full stack. The game will take the full stack at times even though you put only 1 in to trade.

[tranquil cove]

there are other bugs too

just taking peices off your ship means you can lose them

it doesn't refund the piece in your inventory

[peak marsh]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UOOYaylIgFY

Jump Space (formerly Jump Ship) looks all kind of hype

[faint gull]

V-rising question... is it diablo / path of exile 2 level grindy? As in endless farming for elusive meta items that builds are based around, that then changes every few months with new seasons / updates etc OR is it more stable in that there is meta builds but they aren't constantly getting nerfed / buffed? I enjoy those 2, and played ESO for many years but am just over the constant need to upgrade / update / respec every 6 weeks... I just don't have enough game time for FOMO.... that's what really appeals about enshrouded- it is simple combat, easy gear, no meta build, anything goes if you want it to. I get that the same can be said for the others but as mmo's there is still an expectation that you have a competent build for group content lol

[peak marsh]

It depends on how you approach them mostly. To answer the intial question yeah, Diablo/POE and ARPGs in general are built and designed around their grind, it's fundamental to the genre

[faint gull]

@peak marsh I guess the question is more around how often do they do updates / releases that essentially require a whole new skill / gear upgrade grind? I don't mind that style of game, as long as its not every 6 weeks start again cos devs have 'rebalanced' the game lol. I'm really tempted to give up a go, it'll prob appeal to a friend I'm looking for something we'd both like that is available on ps5...

[peak marsh]

It really depends on which game you're playing. In my experience, none of them require such constant upkeep unless you're trying to be peak min/max. Like, a viable built in POE 6 years ago is still viable today, it's just not best in class

It comes down to what you want to get out of the experience

[sonic pumice]

It's not that grindy BUT whenever there is an update you have to start over. Not seasons exactly but you won't keep your castle forever if you want the updates.

[faint gull]

True that. Thanks. Will probably give up a go.... other than d4 I don't have any similar games on ps5 so might be a good one for a rainy day in the library anyway 👍

@sonic pumice OK thanks, good to know lol

[peak marsh]

Yeah, sorry got sidetracked on the answer xD Totally, V Rising has a bit of grind but it's such a fun and rewarding experience that I'd challenge you to notice it until very late in the game xD

Mostly the grind revolves around unlocks, like paper/schematics/etc to open up build and tech trees

[faint gull]

Thx both, as I've gotta drop $1700 on new tyres tmrw what's another $65🤣

[peak marsh]

You'll probably get more mileage out of the $65 than you will out of the $1700 xD

[faint gull]

Lol probably!!! They aren't even flash tyres or off-roaders! Just plain old road tyres!

[peak marsh]

xD Like, purely a subjective personal statement but dude, V Rising is such an awesome game and you'll get so many hours out of it. It's a great time xD

Not only did the devs do it proper by following up with quality (free) updates, but the base game at launch was already great

[tepid wadi]

I'll add to that praise. V Rising is an amazing game, totally worth your time. It doesn't feel grindy at all, you just progress through the bosses and the game does a great job of requiring items from next bosses/areas, and then giving you upgrades to tackle them. It's one of the best progression systems out there for a survival game.

[misty arch]

to many games coming out that look so good. I already have Borderlands 4, just waiting for launch day. Silksong, new Hotshots Golf, and Endless Legend 2 are just a few others I want to get.

also just remembered that the new No Mans Sky Expedition is also supposed to start on Wednesday.

[reef bobcat]

some neat titles but so little cash >: (

[pallid glacier]

I just stumbled across enshrouded recently, I’m ok for games for a while!😁

[stray coral]

don't forget to upgrade cpu for those games 😮

[timber prism]

Silksong being $20 is such a good deal

[timber prism]

If you are looking for something F2P, Skate. hits early access in September

[reef bobcat]

I'm a bit surprised

skating games went out of fashion long time ago

then again many genres had their renaissance

[timber prism]

Between Tony Hawk, Session, and Skate it does seem like its doing all right

Session being my favorite

[reef bobcat]

oh I wasn't aware of these games

[noble snow]

.

[reef bobcat]

lads do you know any underrated survival horror games?

[vague galleon]

Doom 3?

[tepid wadi]

Not underrated, but the Forest 1 and 2 are super good I hear.

[tranquil cove]

for me survival horror fits any MMO

the game is so bad it's a horror show, and you typically need to survive PVE/food intake/evironment or pvp. hence survival horror.

[reef bobcat]

wasn't very underrated

well, it was controversial

but famous

[vague galleon]

i recal it being largely disliked. XD more infamous

[reef bobcat]

yup

it had some good monster designs but gameplay was a slog

[vague galleon]

ya.

I rather liked the engine they used to make D3 and Q4 but I got bored of both games and never finished them.

they also inspired Halo 2's look and are why it looks bad, that combined with too short of time to make the game, cause they were inspired by the dynamic shadows, or something like that.

there's also some cool old games made on the source engine, like Might and Magic Dark Messiah and Zeno Clash.

[peak marsh]

The Forest the first has one of the best building systems in survival games, full stop xD

[tranquil cove]

it really doesnt

has a good crafting system though

[peak marsh]

I mean, the blueprint building system is one of the best in it's class

[tranquil cove]

maybe thats new

there was no snapping when i played

[peak marsh]

Among Unity games but also just among survivals

[tranquil cove]

i tend not to like games that give me walls

prefer block building anyway

[vague galleon]

i like walls.

[tranquil cove]

the only time i want a wall is when i play sims 4

if it's not sims4 i expect block building

prefabs and asset placement building are least flexible

lower class building systems

as in minecraft and enshrouded are top tier, or valheim, no mans sky and forest are second tier. fallout 4 is third tier because it's so old.

one thing that bugged me about enshrouded is that you can't place a door within an already made wall you made.

as in, currently the doors are assets that require you make room for them

meanwhile in sims4 i clan plop doors and windows within walls, hopeing people who design building games lean toward doing this more.

i dont know what you would call that because valheim obviously can't do that, it's limited by the block placement and engine. but enshrouded i bet could do it. would it be called modular windows and doors?

anyway very few games have modular windows and doors, so they can't really be elevated to a super amazing tier of building.

[peak marsh]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r4TAan3FIdM

[tepid wadi]

I'll have to watch that in a bit.

But I'm guessing it's just a fool's hope, heh.

[timber prism]

Hope. MMOs. Choose one.

😔

[misty arch]

https://media.tenor.com/RCZzRcF6gLcAAAAM/hope.gif

[tepid wadi]

https://tenor.com/view/lord-of-the-rings-lotr-gandalf-white-pippin-gif-15253908

I need to watch it again and count the number of projects that are attempting to do something new and the number that are just trying to revive the past.

[vague galleon]

i want an MMO like dot hack

monkey paw curls

noooooooooooo

[reef bobcat]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=70&v=LnfXZJdOkGk&embeds_referring_euri=https%3A%2F%2Fboards.4chan.org%2F&source_ve_path=MjM4NTE

I hope this and Hellraiser one will be good

[hearty yacht]

I do too. I love the Aliens franchise. But haven't been able to be get into any of the games since Isolation.

Isolation was great.
I found the mechanics in Dark Descent annoying.
Not into the MP nature of Fireteam Elite.
Rogue Incursion seemingly checks the boxes.

[kind sluice]

Anyone know of any games where like say you're about to go out with your ship in space, you have to manually open the gun hatch, and feed rounds inside each gun hatch? It doesn't have to be a space game, just that sort of dynamic where even your defense involves steps. Sort of like factorio where you have to make rounds and move them to your turrets,etc. no specific genre but ideally survival

One more example: in subnautica when you can build the cyclops, you have to manually input the power cells, load the decoy tubes, and put out fires manually with an extinguisher... I love that dynamic so much haha. The whole game isn't abotu that, but even though it's just a small part, it feels so immersive.

[round beacon]

sea of thieves

[kind sluice]

Aye, already play this

[round beacon]

only game that comes to mind tbh. no space sim with manual loading and firing im afraid. honestly there aint many good space games out there these days anyway. apart from a handfull of the usual giants like the X series or nms

[kind sluice]

Ah it can be any genre too tbh. even a first person shooter. Just to have that immersion so its not like the newer farcrys where you can start of and have Automatic weapons and rocket launchers from the get go. I love the games where when you get even a pistol, it's like damn nice! and you feel the value of each resource

[round beacon]

jeah. i get that. got close to a thing like that with a ridiculously overmodded fallout

[kind sluice]

I spent a lot of time on FO 4 when it first came out. I loved how I valued 5.56 ammo for my assault rifles xD

[misty arch]

you might like this one
https://youtu.be/hPdjx2wGPb8?si=cHI71jUAD0WusjCE

[round beacon]

haha jeah. been modding that one to hell and back (to make it harder and more immersive) you can get some awesome stuff for that. but its super tedious

[kind sluice]

Yes, this is on my steam wishlist. Will prob get it very soon

[misty arch]

its got quite a bit of the things you are looking for

[reef bobcat]

YUPIII, cant wait for indiana jones new DLC "order of giants" this 4th Sept 2025 - ive played the base game "the great circle" this year and it was such fun with great biomes, stories, quests, characters and action !!!

https://tenor.com/view/angry-indiana-jones-harrison-ford-temple-of-doom-mad-gif-21878122

[misty arch]

https://youtu.be/JrqZYxbvQDE?si=70SNi4Uw9V68gyQz

[misty arch]

https://youtu.be/3jgy-6qN7bI?si=UX3ZRXxrW6BuEcyo

[royal ivy]

idem > House Flipper 2 😘 .

[misty arch]

https://youtu.be/JFQrg9_4FTs?si=4LH66GThiio_mCi5

[misty arch]

they have a new update up on the experimental branch and the corvette cache is being changed to a corvette piece storage

[tepid wadi]

Very nice

[misty arch]

grats, love using that as a mobile base

[round beacon]

love my pirate freighter aswell.
just hope for a bit more costumization in the future (yes i know i could go for a diff one for more paints and stuff.. but that ones just awesome to look at 😅 )

and space battles with them. god that would be so damn awesome! O.O

[tepid wadi]

Can you dock a corvette inside a freighter?

[round beacon]

nope. it docks onto the ship slightly on the side and gives you a teleport inside

although a new corvette hangar would be damn cool 😁

[stray coral]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FlM9TpTymAk

[misty arch]

https://www.pcgamer.com/games/city-builder/september-is-absolutely-stacked-with-city-builders-heres-8-releasing-this-month/

[tepid wadi]

Sounds like September is just gonna be stacked in general

[timber prism]

15 hours till Silksong!

[frank sonnet]

and thus a meme dies

[sweet patrol]

So I gave Veilguard a try.......I liked it.

[tepid wadi]

I've heard that it's a decent game, but it doesn't really feel like a dragon age game, if that makes sense.

[sweet patrol]

Honestly I only ever played origins and inquisition and it feels the same to those so far for me. I love that they brought back Harding she was adorable.

[vague galleon]

i never even got into the first one. XD

[timber prism]

I couldn't get into Veilguard... it doesn't feel like DA to me at all

very generic rpg

i also dislike the art style

a lot lmao

[sweet patrol]

See thats what I have seen people say but I dont get it. It feels like the DA I have played. Are poeple mainly referring to 1 and 2?

[frank sonnet]

what kind of art style does it have?

[timber prism]

it was very colorful and reminded me of that f2p monster hunter type game

[tranquil cove]

i never liked dragon age so

[tepid wadi]

Much more flashy/cartoony compared to older DA games, which were more grounded and dark fantasy

[timber prism]

Dauntless

[tranquil cove]

maybe the second dragon age was better

[tranquil cove]

what are these screenshots, which game

[timber prism]

I dont see how you would think it plays like Origins.. that had a pause mechanic with you using companions etc.

[sweet patrol]

It has been A while I actually forgot about that mechanic🤣

[timber prism]

haha

[sweet patrol]

I am just playing it to kill time honestly. Just waiting on the new enshrouded and grounded content

[frank sonnet]

i think i get the picture why this game was poorly received instead of getting a proper follow up the fans got a generic fantasy rpg with dragon age slapped on the cover

[tepid wadi]

Exactly

[timber prism]

I dont think its a bad game at all

its just not DA to me haha

i also think it was poorly received because we are in the age of people not liking something and branding it woke

and people went ham on this game about that

[tranquil cove]

its like how for me BG3 is not baldurs gate, but it is DND, albeit a crappier ruleset imo.

BG3 should have just been renamed something else, and do a new location, like waterdeep.

[timber prism]

the gaming community actually blows my mind about that

bc its already surfacing in Silksong

and some people calling that game woke lmao

[tepid wadi]

There's always gonna be a bit of that

But mostly I think Veilguard was disliked because it was so clearly not the dragon age people were looking for

[timber prism]

yeah

its the same thing with FF16 which is also not a bad game

but people hate it for doing away with the party system

[tranquil cove]

why nobody hates on BG3

they reduced game to 4 player party instead of 6

lol

FF16 getting all the hate while BG3 gets free pass

[tepid wadi]

Because the core of what makes the game good is still there. CRPGs are all about story and characters and everything, and BG3 delivers on that premise excellently

[tranquil cove]

plus i miss live action pause combat, rather than turn based.

[tepid wadi]

Details like number of party members aren't actually that important.

[tranquil cove]

the characters are trash XD

[tepid wadi]

Maybe to you, people love them though.

[tranquil cove]

they dont compare to the story and characters from BG2

[tepid wadi]

Also, BG2 came out 25 years ago, which means people are adults who never even expereinced that game 😝

So they don't have any frame of reference

[tranquil cove]

no like genuinly if i do a comparison, which i will because they made this a sequel game with the same title...

thats why im saying they needed to call the game something else.

so i wont do a comparison.

[timber prism]

BG3 is a great game

[tranquil cove]

i mean it is, i'm not saying it's not

but it could have been 10 times better

[tepid wadi]

Doubtful.

[tranquil cove]

not important to story, which you diverted to, but it is important to gameplay

it changes the tactics and difficulty of every battle.

normal would have had to be balanced to have more enemies etc.

[tepid wadi]

The amount of care that went into the game is clear, and WAY more than any other AA+ company is putting into games these days. If Larian hadn't tackled it, I'd wager we would have gotten something FAR worse, if anything at all.

[timber prism]

^

[tranquil cove]

i still got bored in act 3, and never beat the game once

[tepid wadi]

Like, legit I don't think it could have been better. We can look at what it is now and see potential improvements, but you can't know that until you see what currently exists.

And there's a big difference there.

[tranquil cove]

and still if i had to choose which game to replay, id replay BG2 for the 7th time, rather than BG3.

[timber prism]

tactics would change but not to a significant amount where people are saying its a bad game bc it has a party of 4 versus 6

thats just nitpicking on preference

[tranquil cove]

my problem with BG3 is it ends early too

max level is 12

[timber prism]

i would argue the the percentage of people who actually dont call it a BG game due to having only 4 party members is in the single digit percentage

[tranquil cove]

where is my level 30, god mode character

unless they are developing that

[tepid wadi]

Well, normally you would get that in an expansion/DLC

But WOTC kinda burned that bridge, so Larian is working on something else.

[timber prism]

Larian already stated they aren't going to work on another one

[tranquil cove]

but didnt larian call it quits?

[tepid wadi]

Also, I'm pretty sure BG2 only goes up to level 14

[tranquil cove]

so we'll never get up to level 24

[tepid wadi]

You'll never get 20+ in general, 5th edition caps at 20

[tranquil cove]

yeah throne of bhaal goes beyond, but i forget where

[tepid wadi]

Yeah, the expansion

[tranquil cove]

In "Baldur's Gate II: Throne of Bhaal," the maximum level cap is 40 for characters. This expansion allows players to reach higher levels than in the original game, enhancing gameplay with new abilities and challenges.

[sweet patrol]

Remember that there is a max exp cap so 40 isnt the max for all characters depoending on how you develop them it may be lower

Max level is highly class specific

[tranquil cove]

yeah and also you might not hit 40, unless you XP farm looks like

that's why I remembered 30

[tepid wadi]

Lol, 2nd edition with their classes with different leveling curves 🤦

[tranquil cove]

2nd edition still had better spells

[sweet patrol]

exactly and if you multiclass oh lord

[tranquil cove]

sucks that 5E ruins every spell

and makes you cripple

[sweet patrol]

5e makes it easier for new players and for my kids I greatly appreciate that

[tranquil cove]

i had a warrior mage who could tank everything, even if lower level

but i also rolled dice for 4 hours

to get best stats

[tepid wadi]

It's okay, I'm okay getting rid of "Bend Bars/Lift Gates" % rolls and stuff 😝

[sweet patrol]

To be honest though I am Pathfinder all the way

[tranquil cove]

pathfinder is okay

[tepid wadi]

PF2 is an excellent system, but the balance of it bothers me a little.

[sweet patrol]

Any system that allows me to channel my fireball through the blade I have buried in the enemy is fine by me🤣

[vague galleon]

are we talking table top now?

Exalted > any d20 system.

d20 sucks.

but ya, I think i prefer the crunch of PF over 5E

eventually I want to get all of PF2 and the new 5.5E core books but Im not buying them new or for more than 40 each. preferably under 30 each.

[sweet patrol]

I got a deal and bought out my DM got all the current pathfinder and 5/5.5 books for 300 total

[vague galleon]

damn

[sweet patrol]

He was moving to nicaragua and couldnt take them

[vague galleon]

dang

i hate my brother for getting rid of a footlocker of books that I could have taken off his hands all cause he didnt want to carry them up one flight of steps.

my collection has absolutely exploded over the last few years. my recent hunt left me with a ton of PF1 and 3.0/3.5 books.

[frank sonnet]

talking about ttrpgs now are we? cool

i have a strict code for myself to never buy any official dnd content of any kind because the pinkerton scandal

[vague galleon]

eh. that was awful but like, not the worst thing.

but as a "magic player" I'm just... too burnt out.

ive always prefered other systems like savage worlds and d10 and such.

i remember the OGL scandal people were like "we're going to go play different systems, like pathfinder!"
THEYRE THE SAME SYSTEM! THE CORE IS THE BLOODY SAME!

pathfinder is literally just dnd with some different flavors!

[frank sonnet]

bought this awhile ago

[vague galleon]

ooooo iron kingdom, nice nice nice

[timber prism]

These new NMS ships are cool lmao

[sweet patrol]

what the ever loving heck????

[vague galleon]

amazing.

simply amazing.

[frank sonnet]

for a corvette i was thinking either doing a Terran battle cruiser from star craft or a Super destroyer from helldivers 2

[vague galleon]

https://tenor.com/view/battlecruiser-starcraft-terran-portraits-gif-15189897

Battle Cruiser Operational

[sweet patrol]

@timber prism Its funny the images you posted of veilgaurd I just walked into that scene imeediately after that.

[tepid wadi]

I just came across a millenium falcon build

[timber prism]

Lmao

[frank sonnet]

how do i dock a corvette to a space station?

[misty arch]

carefully. its a bug, if it doesnt get grabbed by the tractor beam, I found warping to another system or the anomaly and back will get it to work

basically reloading the area

also DO NOT fly at a station entrance at full speed with a corvette. that is a definite way to bug it out

[frank sonnet]

much apricated

[hoary prairie]

Lmao a flying castle

[round beacon]

warhammer is strong with this one 😅

[untold lynx]

alright

[short sail]

We all know Silksong is the cause.

[vague galleon]

?????

[short sail]

Does Silksong not release today?

[vague galleon]

no im just confused by the chart

whats silksong?

whats the chart of? what is dip?

[short sail]

Chart => Steam basically has a meltdown
Silksong is a game coming out today

[vague galleon]

oh new game.

about music?

[round beacon]

nope

[severe jetty]

What game is this? looks fun

I was looking for a cool space game

[finite saffron]

Looks like No Man's Sky I think

I like space games, I can also recommend Elite: Dangerous, x4 foundations (if you don't mind jank and an extremely steep learning curve), and outer wilds

[round beacon]

aye thats nms

quite a bugged mess currently. BUT they are well known for fast patches nowadays

[vague galleon]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/276403372079185920/1413179573402734704/image.png?ex=68bafd89&is=68b9ac09&hm=e965c82dbaf0398db999737a00c9d82e20d4d927c97da91a0c22752bfaedfd14&

[short sail]

Just thought the 4th horseman was social media though

[vague galleon]

https://tenor.com/view/they-had-us-in-the-first-half-not-gonna-lie-gif-13620240

[tepid wadi]

Yeah, zero surprises that silksong is making massive waves. It's the dream of every game dev to make a game that everyone loves that gives them enough money to fund their development for as long as they feel like they need it, heh.

Almost like that's how you get the best games 🤔

[tepid wadi]

It is NMS, their recent update actually looks bangin (and makes more more exited for Light No Fire)

[vapid acorn]

Silk song

[tepid wadi]

It's at 97% positive on steam right now, so looking good 👍

[vague galleon]

im missing out. time to drop enshrouded i guess. 😛

[tepid wadi]

TBH It's perfectly timed. Everyone goes and enjoys silksong and by the october update for enshrouded, everyone is ready for some survival action

[short sail]

So Keen was withholding silksong from us!

Eeeevil...

[vague galleon]

i would have to devote all my time to NMS. theres a lot to remember in it

[frank sonnet]

anyone else have this bug with their steam?

[tepid wadi]

Apparently Steam has been mega borked for people today

[vapid acorn]

Can’t play it until Sunday because I won’t be home

[frank sonnet]

i'm surprised it lived up to the hype

[tepid wadi]

There were some reports that it took them so long to make because they were having too much fun making and playing it

So it's not THAT surprising 😝

[timber prism]

We be silksonging

[reef bobcat]

Silksong is fun :3

didn't play the first game though

I mean I did but like for 15 minutes

Hornet has a cute design

[vapid acorn]

There are still 50k playing hollow knight lol

Also who are the 10% who posted a negative review

[frank sonnet]

you cant make everyone happy

[sweet patrol]

its a side scroller?

I knew it was coming out but didnt realize it was so polular

[tepid wadi]

It's kind of a meme because they announced they were building it like 6 years ago. The original Hollow Knight was super good so people were very excited

[sweet patrol]

I legit didnt realize silksong WAS hollow night until recently. Could never get into hollow knight but I just have an issue with side scrollers....despite growing up on them.

[tepid wadi]

I feel ya, it's not my favorite genre either

[vague galleon]

im not into most side scrollers, especially platformers.

Outland was pretty fun but i didnt get far, originally bought it on my brothers xbox and rebought it when it hit steam.

Rochard I finished. THAT was amazing.

every failure i'd laugh as I see what I did wrong.

shame we never got a sequel.

[tepid wadi]

Salt and Sanctuary is also really good for a sidescroller

[runic basin]

I got distracted by the cape having gravity in space

[reef bobcat]

hate this guy

[reef bobcat]

this month is amazing for vidya

Silksong
Dying Light the beast (assuming it's gonna be good)
Cultic chapter two
Tyrant's realm got a DLC
Cronos
Silent Hill
TW Warhammer 3 got a patch

[frank sonnet]

hopefully we will get some more in-depth trailers and teasers for light no fire

[tepid wadi]

Someday

[tranquil cove]

i wish devs released trollish things more

would be funny if for every new player you enter some sub par game, and you have 24 hours to light a fire, but cant do it no matter what, wind, rain, etc. and you die

and then you find out it wasnt the real game only after that and then from then on when you click new game it takes you to the real game

[frank sonnet]

i'd love to make a game that trolls speed runners

I'm thinking a speed restricted area were if you try to sprint you die keep trying and your gear gets deleted keep pushing still you cant even enter the zone until after a cooldown

[misty arch]

that sounds very similar to this game
https://store.steampowered.com/app/1092790/Inscryption/

Steam

Inscryption

From the creator of Pony Island and The Hex comes the latest mind-melting, self-destructing love letter to video games. Inscryption is an inky black card-based odyssey that blends the deckbuilding roguelike, escape-room style puzzles, and psychological horror into a blood-laced smoothie. Darker still are the secrets inscribed upon the cards…

Price

$19.99

Recommendations

123510

Metacritic

85

▶ Play video

[tepid wadi]

I've heard really good things about inscryption

[tranquil cove]

ill hve to check it out

[vague galleon]

ya it looks fun, I bought it and never got around to it but it's rare I want to play a digital card game.

[tranquil cove]

so when you see uranium in games? does anyone else think, your anium?

[frank sonnet]

new back pack

[misty arch]

https://youtu.be/lJwGUg_eVOQ?si=bUeaXLklQxEFsEoR

[tepid wadi]

The first enshrouded crossover is not what I expected

[autumn flax]

I have no freaking idea what im doing help me🤣 https://www.twitch.tv/cowboy_hippy?sr=a

[tepid wadi]

Please use the #self-promo channel for streams and stuff

[misty arch]

right, guess we are seeing the origin story of the shroud

[tranquil cove]

<@&1059853133188169910>

[burnt spear]

https://tenor.com/view/only-bans-gif-23827611

[vague galleon]

well FO76 got a possibly big update.

Items that used to require a foundation to be placed no longer have that requirement. Also, when removing an item, you no longer have to worry about part of your structure being inaccessible.```

still probably not enough to make me reinstall it, but neat.

[frank sonnet]

expedition complete

[misty arch]

grats

[misty arch]

https://youtu.be/wB3TcEUuomg?si=9d2cXxQxaXwB-CNb

[tranquil cove]

ive been playing 2d rimworld, the nms update didnt catch my interest at all and i can do expeditions at any time.

2D game beating out 3D games

not that rimworld doesn't have 100 problems itself, that i could go through

of course, if you play 1000 hours you'll find problems in any game

#socials-feed message people login to youtube? I stopped using their login feature when they stopped giving recommended videos forcing people to logon.

i search everything i want to watch now

my youtube looks like this

[frank sonnet]

not being interested in a games new content and playing something else is not what i'd beating anything

[tranquil cove]

for me it is, rimworld is more interesting to play than NMS right now

much more fun building something i have 100% control over

even if it's 2d, the 3d ship parts in NMS don't look good to me either 🙁

rimworld has a lot of problems imo though, the devs are like 6/10

and not based on time it takes to do something, that typically has little bearing on things for me. but if you're going to take 10 years to do something, do good things.

for example i'd rate project zomboid dev at like 8/10

[honest valley]

we are kind of similar lol

[tranquil cove]

NMS devs are like 7/10

fast, lost of content, too many bugs, and needs quality improvements

my guy is good looking

oh sorry, just wanted to tease you with bugs

[honest valley]

sepheroth looking guy

[tranquil cove]

actually this is the latest guy, backpack is different

[tepid wadi]

Brotato

There's like a million vampire survivors clones that are good, actually

[tranquil cove]

brainless games, any zombie game

especially if you can play as the zombie

[honest valley]

l4d requires teamwork as a zombie tho as its usually pvp

at least that mode is

[frank sonnet]

and he's gone

anyway back to nms posting

[tepid wadi]

I havent found a NMS look that I've really loved, but its been a while so maybe I should check newer stuff

[misty arch]

you talking planets or your character?

[tepid wadi]

Character, I dont really stay on planets long enough to get attached

[misty arch]

Ah , then yes they have added quite a few things to the character customization. hopefully there is something in there you like

[tepid wadi]

Yeah, I've been meaning to start it back up, but haven't finished with the current POE2 league yet

[tranquil cove]

same

i dont find the planets have really a hold on me to want to stay there and continue to see it

they needed planets with multiple biomes imo

and overall i'd say smaller planets too

why do i need 300,000 km of something i will explore .5% even i spent 72 real world hours on it. silly.

[tepid wadi]

Light No Fire is gonna be great becasue of this, IMO

[tranquil cove]

this is why im happy about SE2

not super giant planets, but not small either

probably random gen, but then custom content

and custom sculpting

only 4 planets, but enough progression and size and gameplay loops to keep you engaged on them.

and mutliple biomes etc.

[tranquil cove]

light no fire will be interesting, races were

Humans
Elves
Giants/Ogres
Skeletons
Unknown Horned Humanoids
Badgers
Bears
Foxes
Frogs
Otters
Pigs
Rabbits/Bunnies/Hares

I might want to have a human, elf, fox, frog, rabbit and otter

probably not a pig lol

though the races they chose have cool folklore and stories for them... like pigs reminds me of chronicles of prydain or babe the pig or Wilbur from charlottes web. many famous pigs really.

weird that there are no cats.

maybe if there were cats it would overpower everything else, and everyone would be a cat

i played a lot of furcadia when i was 12, it was a chat program where you play as horse people, mice people, etc.

[tepid wadi]

I don't really care about the races and stuff, I'm just excited for the procedural power of NMS being used to create a single, really detailed amazing world.

[tranquil cove]

we'll see if its generic feeling or actually feeling unique

nothing really beats hand sculpting.

like from a level designer/artist

ideally you have a mix

[tepid wadi]

There's some really interesting opportunities for blending them. Like hand-sculpted POIs with procedural elements

That's how Path of Exile does it

[tranquil cove]

im waiting for poe to go free so i can play it, and then be upset that i miss 100% of the subscription content because i dont want to pay and i also want to play content on my own time and not their expirey schedule.

😆 that's me, just a big complainer

[tepid wadi]

Well, the good news is that all of the content from the supporter packs goes into the MTX store after a while. So if there are bits that you want you can always just buy them later

[misty arch]

you talking PoE or PoE2? I ask because PoE2 just did a 100% free content two weekends ago for their release anniversary.

[tranquil cove]

sorry yeah, poe2

[misty arch]

were you able to get in on that weekend?

[tranquil cove]

nah i dont free weekends usually

[misty arch]

bummer, it was everything free, no pay locks, just for the weekend

[tranquil cove]

yeah because its just for the weeknd, i dont really do them

unless i really want to demo the game, but i rarely demo games either

[misty arch]

ah, gotcha

[tranquil cove]

usually just too lazy or too busy on weekends

or i dont like installing something 60 gigs for only 2 days and then uninstalling it

if i did that often id have to manage uninstalling stuff a lot

[timber prism]

you aren't really missing out on playing PoE2 atm

its pretty much struggle bussing unless you play a meta build atm

hopefully they will balance things better in the future to allow more builds to be viable from the get go

[runic basin]

Pretty accurate. When rolling a new character I basically have to choose between having fun or an easier time

[tepid wadi]

IDK I feel like this league has been pretty good aside from some of the abyss monsters being a bit overtuned.

[timber prism]

41% of the people playing the game are using Deadeye

and majority of those Deadeye players are all playing LA

Im not saying POE2 is a bad game btw. I still rank it as the best ARPG out atm... but its not like there is any competition to that.

[tepid wadi]

Yeah, I mean there's a clear reason why everyone is going deadeye. It's generically strong and fixes the #1 issue most people have with the game (movement is slow)

Plus there's a big culture around following what all the streamers do

But like, there's no reason you can't play offmeta stuff and enjoy 30-100+ hours in a league. Things don't STRUGGLE with the campaign, you just have to play it differently than people play POE1

[frank sonnet]

I'm more interested in seeing what the combat is going to be like as well as character creation, armor , weapons , magic ,and whether or not thier will a class based system or blank slate with a skill tree

[tepid wadi]

The class system is similar to POE1, I suppose. The weapons have a lot more identity, so you want to use a lot of abilities from the same weapon. It feels a bit different, but there's still a decent amount of freedom and variety.

[runic basin]

Something i really liked is that PoE2 makes you feel cool very quickly. You don’t have to play for hours before you get fun abilities

[timber prism]

You can def get through the campaign but to say it isn't a struggle with some builds especially for someone who is new to the POE in general is not accurate at all

I had friends who quit very early due to frustration with their builds because it took them so many tries fighting bosses due to low damage

that multiplies as soon as they hit maps and then immediately struggle with mapping

Look at the top 20 in the league atm and 14 of 20 are all playing Deadeye... and its not because of movement.. its because its just super strong

its like either play a meta build and zoom through without issue or make your build and potentially spend 300% longer to finish the campaign before mapping

and mapping is the beginning of the league

[tepid wadi]

I guess I disagree with the idea that meta builds are the only way, but it does take a lot more game knowledge and buildcraft to be able to make yourself a build that functions like you'd like.

[timber prism]

im not saying meta builds are the only way

[tepid wadi]

The movement isn't the only reason deadeye is chosen for sure, but it's a big one for a lot of people. It's also just... simple to build. You get more projectiles, you get more damage, more skill speed

The ascendency as a whole is very strong

[timber prism]

you can struggle bus all you want and still make it to mapping with plenty of builds

yeah, its such a good starter build

that doesn't require a ton of currency

im curious what the amazon's are playing

[tepid wadi]

When you compare it to things like Chayula, it's no contest. Like, you CAN make Chayula work, but you need a super specific setup and if you don't do that it sucks.

[timber prism]

probably LS

[tepid wadi]

LS is the big one

LS is just crazy strong, and again easy to play

[timber prism]

its been really strong for a while

i really dont think there is anyone in the top 20 not using a meta build

[tepid wadi]

Top 20 is a pretty high bar, I feel like any build in there will either BE meta, or BECOME meta

I feel like POE2 is still miles ahead of POE1 in general gameplay and discoverability

Like, my cousin who has never been into ARPGs took a Warrior and a Blood Mage all the way to maps already, he's having a great time

[timber prism]

i had a friend try his own build for Monk

when the game first came out

as his very first build with no currency to build it

and he quit before maps

he couldn't even do his own ascendancy

[tepid wadi]

Oh, there are some definite problems early game, and when the game came out the ascendencies were garbage

The game is a bit to reliant on gear, and if you get bad drops for the first acts, the struggle is real

[timber prism]

i have been playing SSF lately

i find it fun that way just having to craft your own stuff and just RNG your way to progression

but it can definitely be frustrating

thats also one of the things i like about POE because you can play it multiple ways

[tepid wadi]

I always play 'pseudo-ssf'. I play on trade, but I only ever really trade for uniques if I need them for a build.

[timber prism]

like someone in one of my discords is really good at markets

so he always ends up with a boatload of currency to build whatever he wants

[timber prism]

this works for people without egos haha

people dont believe some who say they dont trade for gear so the only way to actually prove it is to do SSF XD

[tepid wadi]

yeah I suppose, I'm just too lazy to trade for stuff 😝

Plus I like build making, so I always do my own builds

[timber prism]

supposedly they made trading much easier now

but i haven't tried it

i actually didnt mind the way it was done before using third party sites in POE1

[tepid wadi]

I've never really cared for it, but it was functional. I think the bigger thing was people being afk or not responding or not being online

[timber prism]

yeah, or just busy mapping lmao

[tepid wadi]

Yeah, my two off-meta builds have felt mostly fine this league. Things in general are in a much better place, a lot more currency is dropping

[frank sonnet]

Hm 🤔

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