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#other-games
severe jetty
What did u dislike abt mass effect?
vague galleon
i dunno, barely played it, but most people love it.
vague galleon
ya
severe jetty
And story
Dont see that very often
Is both fun?
I will probally get both the games thanks guys
Should i first play tf1? If it exists
vague galleon
no story, it was purely online versus stuff.
TF2 has a standalone story.
then instead of giving us a TF3 with co-op we got some shitty extraction shooter or battle royal or something with NO mechs and NO lightning fast bunny hopping LIKE WHY EVEN?!!!! WHYYYYYYYYYYYY
severe jetty
So tf2 only one worth my time?
severe jetty
Yes got it thanks for the input
honest sparrow
Thats just the single dev life
peak marsh
Nah, Camelot Unchained has a long, troubled history beyond the foibles of being a solo dev
honest sparrow
arrr
peak marsh
But also it wasn't a solo dev, it was a case of being poorly managed mixed with off the charts scope creep
honest sparrow
Not enough playable goblin
peak marsh
At one point they had a 20 person dev team
I say "he's still working on it" because Mark Jacobs is infamously the face of the whole thing
tranquil cove
vague galleon
i didnt get into the hype for that game. >_>
peak marsh
Deep Rock was/is a great time, especially with a group
One of the easiest games to find one for too, just hop on their discord and there's almost always someone up for a run or two
The DRG survivor game is pretty great too
vague galleon
i dunno, i didnt enjoy the caves and bugs.
peak marsh
Ah. Yeah, that's like 90% of the game xD
DRG survivors is a really fun pick up and play game. Quality take on the whole "survivor" genre
(ie Vampire Survivors etc)
timber prism
Deeprock! Dwarves, Coop, classes, bugs, humor. Classic combo!
vague galleon
also, it has dwarves without beards and I am not comfortable with that.
timber prism
then use one that has one?
vague galleon
but I see YOUR character without it!
timber prism
oh hrmmm
beardists...
i dont know what to tell you other than its 2025
you could just go in the discord and ask for beard groups only
im sure you can find other people like you
peak marsh
OnlyBeards
tepid wadi
Today in "MMOs remaking the past": https://store.steampowered.com/app/1890100/Ship_of_Heroes/
peak marsh
Isn't CoH still a thing?
vague galleon
i think so?
tepid wadi
Technically it shut down, I believe any servers that are running aren't actually supported
peak marsh
Just not sure why they're going back to that well when even CoH in it's heyday only had a middling response. Good for fans of that particular niche I suppose
tepid wadi
Yeah, just seemed like yet another MMO project trying to recapture the magic of an old MMO without evolving it meaningfully
But hey maybe it'll be good and new!
peak marsh
The preview image doesn't instill a lot of hope in me xD
tepid wadi
A problem with any legally distinct superhero game is that I imagine there's TONS of copyright crap you'd have to go through if you wanted players to be able to make heroes that look anything like any DC/Marvel heroes.
So they're always going to have to look like crappy off-brand heroes, which is gonna lower the appeal
peak marsh
I mean, it goes deeper than that even. Like, it wasn't as bad when CoH was around because Marvel and DC were less legally minded, but with Disney and WB involved now you not only have appearances to consider but also certain powers. IIRC in its later days CoH was actually having issues with certain available abilities and powers being too similar to famous counterparts
tepid wadi
yeah
peak marsh
Which is a minefield for a game like this
Like, imagine there's a particular power that's really good and a lot of players like it, but one day you have to completely remove it because of a DMCA
tranquil cove
i dont think you can copyright powers
tepid wadi
You can copy the "brand" of a character, and when that's directly tied to the superpowers they have, it can get pretty muddy.
tranquil cove
the brand of a character is made up of more than just powers
i can have a character with all the powers of the superman, but not superman
tepid wadi
That won't stop a particularly litigous company from trying, especially when that company has a competing superhero-based game
And it tends to be fairly easy for those big companies to stifle smaller ones with loads of cash
tranquil cove
look outside comic books, magical games have relatively the same magic powers
tepid wadi
No one is arguing that it's correct to do it, but it definitely does happen.
tranquil cove
im sure i can find similar spells in diablo, that i can find in titan quest 2, that i can find in POE, that I can find in skyrim.
that we can find in BG3
tepid wadi
You must have missed the OGL war that happened a couple years ago.
Lots of stuff from Pathfinder got changed because it was too similar to things in D&D
tranquil cove
really, i didn't notice
peak marsh
I mean, these aren't hypotheticals. Both Marvel/DIsney and DC/WB went after City of Heroes because the powers were too similar in their opinions. Whether they won or not, the cost of fighting it in court makes it prohibitive
tranquil cove
played the game before and after that war, didn't notice any changes lol
tepid wadi
Oh, BG3 didn't make any changes. D&D is the big dog, Pathfinder made a lot of changes, basically remastered their entire system to get rid of anything that could potentially be construed as OGL-protected
tranquil cove
I mean, these aren't hypotheticals. Both Marvel/DIsney and DC/WB went after City...
if they lose they pay your legal fees, punitive damages etc. if you think you can win, fight it in court. it's free eventually.
tepid wadi
But it's not free while it's happening
tranquil cove
Oh, BG3 didn't make any changes. D&D is the big dog, Pathfinder made a lot of ch...
yeah i meant i dont remember the changes in pathfinder
peak marsh
if they lose they pay your legal fees, punitive damages etc. if you think you ca...
Sure but you still have to pay those legal fees first, while also maintaining MMO servers
tepid wadi
And a lot of smaller companies don't have the funds to fight a legal giant like Disney, who can draw out the legal battle until your company goes under
peak marsh
Judgements in those cases can take months/years
tepid wadi
yeah i meant i dont remember the changes in pathfinder
Lots of little stuff. "Magic Missile" is now called "Force Bolt", etc etc. Lots of monsters are no longer in pathfinder, or they're renamed to be "legally distinct"
peak marsh
I mean, again these aren't hypotheticals. It happened with COH and it's part of the reason they eventually shut down (along with a waning player base)
misty arch
City of Heroes is still around with City of Heroes Homecoming servers being the official ones right now. They made a deal with NCSoftand have permission to run them.
tranquil cove
or the TV show the boys
peak marsh
City of Heroes is still around with City of Heroes Homecoming servers being the ...
Ah, see I thought it was still going, though I knew Cryptic wasn't running it any more
tranquil cove
i'm still correct, since you're making new arguments here
tepid wadi
Those disputes could have been settled behind closed doors, or hashed out before the content was created. Just because we don't know about it doesn't mean a deal wasn't made.
tranquil cove
you're saying bullies will win, that wasn't my argument
my argument is what is legal
it's not my fault the justice system is corrupt and money based
thats a different matter
peak marsh
my argument is what is legal
I mean, your argument wasn't the point of what I was saying in the first place. What I was saying is that it's a problem, not that they're in their legal right
timber prism
Today in "MMOs remaking the past": https://store.steampowered.com/app/1890100/Sh...
this makes me miss DCUO
tranquil cove
- Pathfinder's Connection:
Pathfinder is a roleplaying game made by Paizo and is directly built on the OGL from D&D 3.5. When Wizards of the Coast made changes to the OGL (particularly with the introduction of D&D 4th edition), Paizo created Pathfinder using the OGL from D&D 3.5. So, it was essentially a way for Pathfinder to continue using the same basic game mechanics that D&D 3.5 used but without needing Wizards’ permission.
In other words, Pathfinder was born from the OGL — using the license that allowed content creators to legally use D&D's open content (rules, mechanics, etc.) to create new games.
this is a direct copyright issue though
so you gave me a pretty bad faith example lol
you used an actual copyright issue and spun it as they were just doing their own thing minding their own business and DND went after them.
timber prism
Champion Online was fun!
I particularly just liked the pvp a lot in DCUO
There was a fun skill ceiling in learning animation cancels with all the different combinations of powers/fighting style/movement style
tepid wadi
Yeah, I liked Champions' character/build customization a lot, DCUO didn't hook me because I didn't want to make a character that was themed after one of the main DC heroes (or a combination of them), and the character creation felt like that's all it was.
timber prism
I understand that
I don't think they were themed after the heroes themselves
But you def had different archetypes
Super speed vs flying vs acrobatic
So maybe you could associate that to flash/superman/batman
tepid wadi
Yeah, it may just have been the way the character creation was presented. It felt like "Oh, do you want to be batman gadget 'powers' or superman 'powers'"
Like, it felt like you were just creating a derivative character
timber prism
I def went control acrobatics with katana lmao
Or 1h sword. I cant remember the exact weapon
peak marsh
CoH really did that well. The creator was robust enough that you could make a lot of wild combinations
timber prism
I understand why they did what they did in DCUO because it had to balance classes for pvp
Using a rock paper scissors
tepid wadi
I always liked the Energy Blasts in CoH because when you "missed" an attack, your character would randomly turn and shoot the blasts off at a weird angle. It looked so silly, like my man how did you miss that bad.
timber prism
The one aspect i really thought was awesome in DCUO versus other mmos was tying skill points to achievements
Versus actual levels
tepid wadi
Yeah that's interesting. I feel like "leveling" has become too much of a standard mechanism in games
So many people seem to think it's the only way to do progression
timber prism
Agreed... like getting an X amount of skillpoints from leveling is cool.. but then if you really wanted more you had to do different content to unlock it
and for some of it.. do it really well to unlock said achievement so it really pushes people to do well
or just be okay with not being the strongest on the server XD
tepid wadi
Yeah it's interesting thinking about how horizontal progression and power scaling works. Like, vertical progression exists because it's an easy way to provide the player with a feeling of power increases, but when creating a sustainable game, how much content is wasted by bypassing old things that you've progressed past?
Like in a narrative game or a pseudo-linear one like Enshrouded it makes sense to have vertical progression as you move through the game
tranquil cove
interesting game
https://store.steampowered.com/app/1065070/t/
vague galleon
I mean, it goes deeper than that even. Like, it wasn't as bad when CoH was aroun...
there's only so many ways to redo "shoot energy bolr" and you cant copywrite super strength or flight!
tepid wadi
Yeah, something I've always wanted a hero game to allow is dyeing of your abilities. Like if you choose "Shoot energy bolt" you can color it however you want.
vague galleon
ya
i had mild fun with the DC one back in the day, was a bow guy trained by batman, but got bored of it quick i guess
misty arch
Yeah, something I've always wanted a hero game to allow is dyeing of your abilit...
the city of heroes homecoming servers do allow that
tepid wadi
Yeah, I've heard good things about it, one of my friends enjoys it.
misty arch
it is alot of fun. very nostalgic and they are even adding in new content.
peak marsh
there's only so many ways to redo "shoot energy bolr" and you cant copywrite sup...
So there's this guy on YT I follow, Ordinary Sausage. He makes comedy videos where he does weird stuff with cooking and rates it. Like a recent example is he made a sausage out of banana pudding (yes it had pork in it) or making alfredo with grape soda as the liquid. Fun times. One of his bits is he would sing a song while grinding the sausage in a comedic voice, and replace one of the words with "sausage" (example: Singing Dancing Queen but it's Sausage Queen). He recently had to stop because he got a copyright strike from WB because they claimed he was using one of their copyrighted works. Sure, he could fight it, sure he would probably eventually win, but ultimately he just stopped doing the bit
So like, sure not saying you're wrong, but that doesn't make it any less a problem
peak marsh
They're doing a free playtest
Base automation gives me Satisfactory vibes
Unfortunately it's supposed to be over tomorrow. Technically it was going to be ended on the 4th but they extended it to give players more time to explore the mechanics and get more feedback
Bummer, it was completely under my radar
tepid wadi
It looks very similar, yeah. I've been watching a bit if content on it.
peak marsh
It's a pleasntly unexpected direction coming from Green Hell
tepid wadi
It looks pretty good, I always have trouble with factory games though. I want to play multiplayer, but factory games multiplayer are meh
peak marsh
Yeah, and then they came right back and tried to blame individual banks rather thank saying it was them lol
misty arch
dev stream showing off our first glimpses of Aion 2
https://www.youtube.com/live/e5p6M71bDL0?si=yZ_8k8OHsKZcfKGu
tepid wadi
Actual game footage around 1:30:00
I know it's a KR-MMO thing that is super common, I just can't stand how flashy everything is
misty arch
demo out today
https://youtu.be/bQsBo9g5Ues?si=-UOtkChBSUu-gs02
misty arch
also started today
https://store.steampowered.com/category/4x_strategy
misty arch
korea is now getting in on the soulslike
https://youtu.be/PHH6xQT2-dw?si=1eaZq39Y_bT3lfvR
peak marsh
Interesting. You almost never hear about games set in ancient Korea. Japan, China, Europe, sure
misty arch
I am ok with this. Love seeing all the different ancient myths from each nation.
tepid wadi
Mythology is one of my favorite settings, no matter where it's based
vague galleon
mythology is super cool.
we need more animated films based off stuff from around the world instead of just rehashing british folklore over and over and over.
tepid wadi
Have you seen K-pop demon hunters?
A lot of it is drawn directly from korean mythology
misty arch
for those who waited, and do actually want the game, Civ 7 is 30% off in that 4x sale.
timber prism
Its kinda interesting that Civ 7 didnt seem to get that much traction. It released and everyone in my gaming discords kind of stopped talking about it after a week
peak marsh
TBF after like 5 they've effectively been graphics updates. At this point there's only so much you can add to Civ
peak marsh
So there's a silly thing going on right now (internet thing), where people are flipping out because Mafia: The Old Country doesn't have swimming mechanics, with roughly half the people bemoaning that an open world game in 2025 doesn't have swimming, and the other half going "why would a mafia game need swimming", and it resulted in one of my favorite comments
One guy was like "The most common question after releasing a trailer is "does the game have day/night mechanics?". I'm convinced for the majority of games day/night mechanics only exist to spare PR people from murder charges"
tepid wadi
So many games have day/night mechanics that are functionally worthless.
But also a mafia game needs swimming so you can send people to sleep with the fishes, as is the mafia way
peak marsh
Yeah, but they aren't swimming in those cases xD
So technically it just needs sinking mechanics
vague galleon
boat.
tranquil cove
mafia games need construction sites
so you can bury people in cement slabs used for the foundation of the building,
it might be why construction sites today all mostly have cameras
though funny story few years ago i wandered onto a construction site with no cameras and no fence
and the building seemed to be a future storage site, and in the middle was a giant safe, probably as big as 150 square feet. so i was inside the safe.
so i mean i could have planned a heist lol a few months before they added actual security and stuff
and raided the safe, it was funny how it was all open during construction
stray coral
A lot of the security on construction sites stem from materials being stolen and as well to watch workers. They want to watch the workers so if an accident occurs they can track source of what caused it.
Depending on the site they use a lot of copper for pipes and in the wiring. Melted down our turned in for scrap brings a lot of $
peak marsh
tepid wadi
This is relevant to my interests
tranquil cove
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merry moat
eager flax
peak marsh
Again, #self-promo
peak marsh
tranquil cove
you can basically self promo with the discord tags now
misty arch
hushed spruce
lol
finite saffron
Man, modern games journalists don't do fact checking at all anymore, do they
This isn't true. I mean the screenshot is true, a user on reddit had a conflict with vanguard when they tried to launch the game, but this seems to be a local settings issue, because most people with valoant installed didn't have this issue.
hushed spruce
Only one of that ive noted actually cites their sources which is sad
finite saffron
The issue is Riot's anti-cheat software — Riot Vanguard. Vanguard is a kernel-level anti-cheat, which means it runs with the same privileges as does the Windows operating system — going beyond even your admin account. At this level, anti-cheat software can catch potential exploits before they take effect, because it can see and intercept far more than you can from user space.
This is also not true, man this article was written lazily lol.
I'm being extra harsh on it maybe because I have a background in anti-cheat, my last job was an anti-cheat analyst, so I know a lot about how this stuff works. But this conflict was a problem with EA's anti-cheat, not Vanguard. Vanguard has fairly industry standard permissions, the main thing that makes it a bit more invasive than some other anti-cheats is that it launches at startup, rather than when you boot the game, which some users worry is a privacy risk. But it is not operating on a different level than any other kernel level anti-cheat out there.
tepid wadi
You're telling me that tomshardware.com isn't a reliable news source for gaming news? What world are we living in?
Also is anyone surprised at this point that a journalist took a single reddit post and extrapolated it to a huge problem without doing any fact checking?
tranquil cove
You're telling me that *tomshardware.com* isn't a reliable news source for gamin...
is that a joke? wasnt toms hardware good at one point for technical issues?
i mean they arent a gaming site, but they are covering a "technical" issue
finite saffron
Also is anyone surprised at this point that a journalist took a single reddit po...
I guess I'm a little surprised that they'd write such a bold title without even bothering to check if the claim they are making in their title is true lol. But yeah games journalists don't have a good track record by any means
hushed spruce
i mean they arent a gaming site, but they are covering a "technical" issue
from what ive seen they have taken a more political look on games especially with the subnautica 2 controversy
they didnt fact check their articles for that controversy either
timber prism
Sensationalism has been in for a decade or more now XD
timber prism
Anything that generates traffic = good
finite saffron
Yeah I guess the misleading title annoyed me into clicking on it lol
tepid wadi
You've been had
timber prism
Haha
finite saffron
I rest easy knowing that 99% of readers don't know anything about anti-cheat, though, so I imagine that ragebait was not intentional by them
timber prism
That has definitely been a main topic about BF6 in general
tepid wadi
Yeah I mean cheating in an online competitive game is always gonna be a big concern.
timber prism
Whether its 300k cheaters caught or "look at all these cheaters day 1"
tepid wadi
Doesn't matter how many you catch if the community thinks the game is full of them
finite saffron
The risks/problems with kernel level anti-cheats are WILDLY blown out of proportion by gamers.
And the prevelence of cheaters is also wildly underestimated. I think people would be shocked to see just how many cheaters there are in any of your favorite fps games, and only a tiny, tiny, fraction of those cheaters ever make it past the anti-cheat. But even when 95% of them get instantly caught, that 5% can cause a lot of chaos.
tranquil cove
I rest easy knowing that 99% of readers don't know anything about anti-cheat, th...
so is the article saying anything factually wrong, or it is just the title? i find articles now a days have two categories.
title is so short that it can be interpreted in ways that are misinformation but the article elaborates and adds the details. so clickbait title, but decent article.
or both the title and article are misinformation.
timber prism
The problem is cheating is getting harder for the naked eye to tell due to how sophisticated its getting so its like false flags everywhere. You have Asmongold putting out content about people cheating when they aren't haha
tepid wadi
The risks/problems with kernel level anti-cheats are WILDLY blown out of proport...
The only real complaint about it that I heard is that my buddy had to do some bios setting change to get the beta to work
finite saffron
so is the article saying anything factually wrong, or it is just the title? i fi...
Both in this case, the article itself has a lot of misinfo inside it.
tepid wadi
I think there were things in the beta that FELT like cheating (people getting on top of buildings, etc), but were actually just relatively easy 'exploits'
timber prism
The only real complaint about it that I heard is that my buddy had to do some bi...
Yeah. Secure boot which should be enabled already on Win 11
So its a lot of win 10 people complaining
tepid wadi
Yeah, my buddy only complained that he had to do it, not that it was really a problem
finite saffron
The only real complaint about it that I heard is that my buddy had to do some bi...
Probably to enable secure boot or something right?
It's annoying, but it makes a HUGE difference. Even back when I worked on anti-cheat a few years ago, everyone in the industry was toying with the idea of enforcing secure boot, because it stops the main exploit that cheaters use to bypass kernel level anti-cheats.
When I worked on it, we couldn't realistically enforce it. It pissed too many people off for a smaller game like ours to try to force them, they'd just leave negative reviews. But bigger games have started enforcing it, like valorant and now BF6.
tepid wadi
Yeah, with it being automatic with Win11 helps too
tranquil cove
windows 11 has secure boot on automatically/default?
timber prism
The only real complaint about it that I heard is that my buddy had to do some bi...
Most valid complaints i heard... maps too small. Gun balance. Tool balances. Which is all subjective
finite saffron
Yeah, with it being automatic with Win11 helps too
Yeah, 90% of the big cheating problem the industry has had for the last decade is because of windows 10 lol. There's a lot of stuff Windows should have given devs the option to enforce that they don't, like secure boot. In Win11 they seem to have realized this.
timber prism
Yeah
tranquil cove
most things i heard complained about bF6 are things that being a beta i would expect, and it will be added later.
timber prism
I put in a solid 10 hours or so into the beta and had fun but its definitely just more BF
I dont see this whole return to form because its literally the same as before XD
tepid wadi
I mean that's exactly what most people want 😝
finite saffron
My biggest complaint with bf6 is the way the helicopters fly. I have no idea what they did to the flight physics but I hate it lol
But I still had a lot of fun in that beta
tepid wadi
My biggest complaint is that it's not Titanfall 3, but 🤷♀️
timber prism
Yeah. Again. Sensationalism to generate traffic
tepid wadi
Well it did break 500k concurrent, which is pretty good
timber prism
I do agree on tool balance. They need to adjust engineer repairing
finite saffron
I dont see this whole return to form because its literally the same as before XD
It's a return to form compared to 2042 haha
tranquil cove
most things i heard complained about bF6 are things that being a beta i would ex...
like these, all seem normal things to be missing in a beta https://www.reddit.com/r/Battlefield/s/abN8apBVeL
finite saffron
It feels more like it belongs in the series
timber prism
Bc having for engi's on a tank is actually super annoying and silly
tranquil cove
i heard joke that cod players biggest complaint, is no kill streak mechanics.
and that a cod player has same complaint for every game
finite saffron
Bc having for engi's on a tank is actually super annoying and silly
That's pretty standard battlefield fare tbh, pocket engineers on vehicles has always been really OP
tranquil cove
because they want every game to become cod
timber prism
Yeah but having 4 of them makes it close to impossible to kill
The RPG ammo change was kinda nice to counter it
finite saffron
I remember in battlefield 3, you could fly the little bird helicopter, and an engineer could sit in one of the side seats and repair it while you were flying
So you were basically this super fast, nimble air vehicle, with constant health regeneration. It was wild lol
timber prism
But that still requires 5x engineers to simultaneously shoot a rpg
tranquil cove
repairing a vehicle should be hard and maybe lucky 1 or 2 time thing
BF3 repair sounds cartoonish
timber prism
Again slight adjustment. Its probably already been done like the recoil change that didn't make it into the beta
I hope we see it this weekend
finite saffron
I liked how battlebit did vehicle health/repairs. Vehicles were fairly tanky to start with, but as they took damage, they'd start to take basically like... permanent damage? So after a certain point you could no longer repair all the health lost.
Basically prevented the infinite repair unkillable vehicle problem.
tranquil cove
I liked how battlebit did vehicle health/repairs. Vehicles were fairly tanky to ...
i wouldnt make repair health based
timber prism
That sounds awesome
tepid wadi
Yeah that's kinda how Dune does it's repairs. Like each time you lose a bit of max health
tranquil cove
if i designed a game, there would be components or something, so engine, gun, turret control etc.
timber prism
I cant wait to test Brooklyn this week
tranquil cove
the repair makes it functional, but you lose some stats on how it operates, and it gains no health back.
finite saffron
if i designed a game, there would be components or something, so engine, gun, tu...
I mean there's some more simulator type games like war thunder that do that, but in a fast paced game it doesn't work very well to have that much complexity.
tepid wadi
if i designed a game, there would be components or something, so engine, gun, tu...
Again, that's how Dune does it, each piece has health
timber prism
I also hope we get more than 1 map
Yeah. I dont think anyone wants sim in BF
Its just turn brain off fun
finite saffron
Milsim games are already abundant at this point, yeah. I don't think battlefield needs to be one
tranquil cove
I mean there's some more simulator type games like war thunder that do that, but...
its not too much complexity, tank just needs engines, gun, and turret motor, maybe some armor panel patches you can weld on. the idea is your not repairing while engaged with 30 soldiers, and 2 tanks, you're falling back to get the repairs done.
finite saffron
Like milsim battlefield is basically exactly what Squad is, lol
timber prism
Yeah. Very fun game btw haha
tranquil cove
repairing while fighting another tank = cartoon game
timber prism
I also love Hell let Loose
misty arch
I also hope we get more than 1 map
the head prodcuer already replied that these streamlines maps in the beta are just for that. To test huge numbers of people in tight combat. He said the big maps are in the game, just not out yet.
finite saffron
the head prodcuer already replied that these streamlines maps in the beta are ju...
Which is exactly why I'm not preordering lol
tranquil cove
like if peoples HP on tanks is regenerating while simultaenously damaging each other, seems cartoonish to me.
timber prism
Im pretty sure its gonna be a sub to EA for a month to play before my friends and I eventually move on haha
misty arch
Which is exactly why I'm not preordering lol
nothing really to pre-order anyways, unless you get the ultimate release. Just buy it now and wait till sept.
finite saffron
Oh yeah I forgot that EA does the sub thing
I might do that too, I don't usually play battlefield games for longer than a couple months
timber prism
$17 for EA Play Pro which gives access to the Phantom Edition
finite saffron
If anyone buys games like that they aren't allowed to complain about us doing cosmetic twitch drops anymore
timber prism
Def sounds like the play. $17 isnt bad for a month of BF haha
misty arch
there it is, new map announced for this weekends OB.
https://comicbook.com/gaming/news/battlefield-6-beta-empire-state-rush-squad-deathmatch-modes/
peak marsh
At one point it looks like they used a flaming arrow to set the enemy's wooden shield on fire, which forced the enemy to drop the shield. If that's a mechanic that's pretty awesome
timber prism
there it is, new map announced for this weekends OB.
https://comicbook.com/gamin...
Yeah. The NY map I was talking about. Was hoping we got another with it
timber prism
At one point it looks like they used a flaming arrow to set the enemy's wooden s...
While this looks cool and I enjoy having new weapons... Im definitely going to miss having stance dancing for different enemies. That was my favorite part of the flow of GoT
peak marsh
They're getting rid of the stance system in Yotei?
peak marsh
Hm. Yeah more weapons isn't bad but the stance system really added a lot of depth to the combat
I kind of don't understand why they couldn't keep it but also add weapons
tepid wadi
I've been keeping an eye on it, I'm not sold on some of their core decisions.
Like the separation of the "blue zones" and "red zones" feels like it detracts from the overall world being connected. We'll see how it goes for sure.
fallow sand
Any games like enshrouded in the sense that they got survival mechanics and a fantasy / high fantasy setting? I played a lot of these types of games but in most of them you can’t play a mage for example. I loved enshrouded but I finished it and I am looking for more
vague galleon
theres runescape dragon wilds
peak marsh
Any games like enshrouded in the sense that they got survival mechanics and a fa...
Yeah Dragonwilds, Valheim, V-Rising if you don't mind the isometric viewpoint
peak marsh
pearl sluice
I just want to play elder scrolls 6 then my life will be fulfilled
peak marsh
Jump Space (formerly Jump Ship) looks pretty great
tepid wadi
Yeah I like the look of it a lot more that Wildgate
tepid wadi
Yeah. The PvP focus of Wildgate make the pve feel meh
timber prism
The thing I like about Wildgate is that while pvpcentric you can totally win on a pve strat
peak marsh
The fact they had to rebrand due to a trademark issue flew under my radar
timber prism
My only concern is that the game looks pve only so longevity relies on how good the AI is
There is no evolving gameplay
peak marsh
Development studio Keepsake Games announced the name change in a Steam post, assuring readers that the rebranding does not affect the game's release plans, and adding that a date announcement for its early access launch is coming this month at Gamescom. The title's Steam listing currently displays a release window of Q3 2025.
The studio, which was formed by veterans from Mojang, Hazelight Studios, and Coffee Stain Studios, stated that the new name is the result of "trademark complications." Keepsake's post does not go into detail about the complications. "Jump ship" is a fairly common idiom, but any company or product sharing the name could be the reason for a trademark dispute.
misty arch
Games confirmed for gamescom Opening Night Live 2025 so far:
Call of Duty: Black Ops 7
Resident Evil Requiem
Ghost of Yotei
Ninja Gaiden 4
The Outer Worlds 2
Silent Hill f
World of Warcraft: Midnight
Black Myth: Wukong
Lords of the Fallen 2
peak marsh
https://www.gamespot.com/articles/metal-gear-solid-deltas-new-online-multiplayer-mode-wont-support-cross-play/1100-6533922/ -No idea why companies do this in 2025
maiden spire
Man mass effect is pretty fun. Unlike that valheim game.
peak marsh
Obvious troll is obvious
tranquil cove
mass effect 1 was not fun
the whole landing on a planet, might as well have been developed back in 1997
absolutely horrible
mass effect 2 was okay, skipped 1 and i went right to 2, since it corrected this problem.
peak marsh
Man mass effect is pretty fun. Unlike that valheim game.
Also, to wit:
tepid wadi
The Mako from Mass Effect 1 is definitely a mechanic that shows its age, heh.
I remember it feling janky w hen ME came out originally, but it was charming/fun jank
tranquil cove
the planet stuff was way better in ME2
mass effect 1 had everything beside the planet stuff as good
tepid wadi
Definitely
timber prism
I wonder what Valheim did to Jrose to hurt them so bad. Its like living rent free in their head XD
vague galleon
the world may never know.
still sequoia
Hmm Leo's Island actually had pretty good farming system in place that could be inspired upon for Enshrouded's aswell :3 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RGYAXr8WWVg
peak marsh
Len's Island must have just had a release, I saw Peon doing a video about it
I've had that game for a couple years, yeah the farming is pretty convenient, just not sure how it would work for Enshrouded, though being able to plant a plot at a time would be nice
sweet patrol
Sad fact is I actually really wantedf to play that. it looked like fun!
peak marsh
The Tencent Horizon knock-off survival? Yeah same, it actually looked really good
And doubly so with Sony abandoning the idea
tepid wadi
Stupidest idea to abandon IMO. I'd love a horizon survival game.
vague galleon
so they abandoned their game then sued someone else for copying their now non existent game?
timber prism
i mean.. i can't just make a Mario game using Mario and call it Maorio
vague galleon
No, you need to call it Wuriom
peak marsh
Basically. Sony and Tencent were in a deal to make a Horizon survival, Sony backed out, Tencent sent them a pitch deck basically asking for the rights to go ahead with it, Sony said no, so Tencent did the "bro lemmie copy your homework" method and called it something like Light of Motarim
vague galleon
Man. bleep sony. bleep sony so hard.
i mean, i hate tencent too, but come on.
cries in Runic Games Studio
timber prism
they should have tried a lil bit harder to not blantantly use the IP
vague galleon
proooobably
peak marsh
I mean, it's hard to find a sympathetic company in the situation. Sony sucks for cancelling the project, Tencent sucks for doing what Chinese developers do and going "Copyright? Property? What are these strange words?"
vague galleon
coughwarcraftcough
peak marsh
Yeah, they skirted legality in that situation because Tarisland, while extremely derivitive, was entirely it's own thing. In this case, Sony has documents showing that not only were they working with Sony on this very, very similar looking property, they actually asked for permission and got declined
vague galleon
see, that's where they messed up.
they asked.
better to ask for forigiveness than permission.
peak marsh
I mean, better to change it more than just giving the protagonist a slightly different haircut and eyeshadow
Like, the "changes" were extremely superficial and lazy at best
vague galleon
i like those
timber prism
those are both terrible names XD
vague galleon
could you imagine if a game like that was so lazy they just called it gun? 🤣
vague galleon
raiden? that you?
timber prism
haha
peak marsh
I played that game so hard back in the day xD
vague galleon
what game?
peak marsh
(Gunz: The Duel)
vague galleon
its not out yet
peak marsh
It's an update of a very, very old multiplayer shooter
peak marsh
But it was awesome because it had knives and katanas and wall running and a whole lot of mobility you don't usually see in shooters
vague galleon
im surprised I didnt play SFTX more, it was GOOD
titanfall 2 is under appreciated.
peak marsh
Original was like, around 2003 I think? And after the company screwed up and went under it's been running on private servers since. Neat to see it make a comeback but I doubt I have the reflexes for it any more xD
A large part of the higher level gameplay is using a combination of wall jumps, walls runs, animation cancelling and rapid weapon switching to achieve those kind of twitchy movements
vague galleon
so titanfall
peak marsh
IIRC it was called "butterfly technique"
vague galleon
i never got good at titanfall 2 but damn it was good.
peak marsh
Titanfall with a Crunchyroll subscription, kinda yeah
vague galleon
freaking weebs
peak marsh
I mean, weeb was implied with the katanas xD But at the time it was a really fun game (until you ran into some Jaoanese dude who would get on a demolish eveeyone in 0.3 seconds)
peak marsh
Mam, I can't believe Project Gorgon is still kicking around. I remember seeing that on MPOGD back in like 2000
Then again a lot of those project titles were bought by Asian studios and put on to other things. Bless Online and Aion were two examples
And TBF the original studios were probably never going to release anything
honest sparrow
eye divine cybermancy yall
vague galleon
never got into it. neat looking game though. tried it a few times.
snow mango
czech ? 😄
peak marsh
No, but there's a czech discord in #language-servers
peak marsh
peak marsh
peak marsh
peak marsh
TIL Nintendo holds 8,788 patents on video game mechanics 
And are the reason every controller besides Nintendos had those weird circular pads or alternate direction pads until 2005, because they held a 20 year patent on the design of the D pad
vague galleon
.....................................................
ive always hated d-pads that are secretly joysticks. found the old 360 controller super annoying when playing gta and scrolling menus.
xbone was where it's at.
severe jetty
Hey guys about the monitor i should be searching oled and what else sorry i forgot lol
I wanted to run games like gow and elden ring good no glitches and just nice visuals tbh
I think i will go with qled oled is a bit expensive
Is this a good monitor?
misty arch
got another for you in movies, Fallout season 2 trailer dropped and there is a very special addition at the end of it.
severe jetty
What do yall think abt gamscom have not seen to many interesting games for me
peak marsh
Same. It's hype for a lot of people between Silksong, Fallout, and COD but I'm not personally into those
peak marsh
I guess Silksong is kinda cool because Hollow Knight was a good game, but it's been so long since the last one I can't help but feel skeptical
peak marsh
Yeah, I think Sony did their own thing for that
They dropped something for it like a week or two ago
peak marsh
As much as I hate to say it because it became a bloated mess, I kinda miss E3. You used to be able to get all the news and trailers from one show, now every major company and dev have their own directs while the smaller one do shows like Gamescom
severe jetty
Ahhh
I would prefer all at gamescom not seperatley
I heard something about world of warcraft for gamescom no?
peak marsh
That MMO shooter looks pretty hype. GIves me Defiance vibes
misty arch
I heard something about world of warcraft for gamescom no?
yes, they are doing a trailer reveal for the new expansion
peak marsh
Water and lizard bois
severe jetty
What do yall think abt wow
peak marsh
Eh, not my thing honestly
severe jetty
Still no good new mmo
peak marsh
That MMO shooter looked pretty good. Gave me Defiance vibes
tepid wadi
Yeah, could be cool
timber prism
What do yall think abt gamscom have not seen to many interesting games for me
Silksong, 7DS looks great
severe jetty
That MMO shooter looked pretty good. Gave me Defiance vibes
Missed that one
timber prism
WoW cinematics top tier
timber prism
Its pretty goated
peak marsh
If you like Metroidvanias it's worth your time
severe jetty
Its a souls like no?
timber prism
There are only a few must play metrodvanias... and thats one of them
peak marsh
Ehhh... sort of, in the sense that is has slower, more deliberate combat
severe jetty
Im also going to play elden ring i got a lot of games still to play but i have accses to hollow knight so its on my to play list for sure
peak marsh
It's more metroidvania, as in you explore and fight to gain new powers that let you unlock new areas etc
severe jetty
Is it co-op?
peak marsh
It's really good, and being 8 years old it goes on sale really cheap
severe jetty
My friend has it and i have his ps account so i could play it at any moment
What do we know about the dlc?
I just saw a cool video did not really pay attention lol
timber prism
@severe jetty Dead Cells is another good metroidvania if you end up enjoying the genre
peak marsh
What do we know about the dlc?
Which DLC?
peak marsh
And yeah, Dead Cells is pretty great
severe jetty
Ghost of yotei seems fun
misty arch
and on the annoying side of things, and right after all these trailer releases, we get this
https://youtu.be/mlY2QjP_-9s?si=mVhMSA0PE7zqTyIT
peak marsh
MS hasn't had the greatest track record with Windows updates lately
And right after people were hyped about them finally fixing dark mode, too
misty arch
and right when we are weeks away from big file games releasing
vague galleon
and on the annoying side of things, and right after all these trailer releases, ...
im sorry. WHAT
misty arch
im sorry. WHAT
looking like the latest windows update is making SSDs disappear if they are moving 50GB of data or higher onto the SSD.
vague galleon
so downloading new video games.
fossil mountain
Well it seems to affect win11
misty arch
if you have one of the SSDs on the list, yep
timber prism
@misty arch just rolled back, ty
tepid wadi
That's why you never update anything until they force you to 😝
vague galleon
im still on w10
im building a new pc next year and im pretty sure OS codes only work once so why buy w11 twice. i dont want to upgrade at all.....
peak marsh
Yeah but by a year from now running W10 will be a huge security risk because there won't be support againt new hacks and exploits
vague galleon
ya i suppose. hoping to have a new pc by then. by uh.... spring 2026....>_>
peak marsh
I'd say take advantage of the free upgrades MS is offering to W10 users and get it over with now
Then you don't have to buy it at all, just use your current license
vague galleon
really? i never saw a free offer.
peak marsh
Yeah, MS has been doing that to encourage users to switch from 10 to 11 specifically because they're ending support and how big the security risks are
peak marsh
They're extending security updates, but they've flat out said they're going through with end-of-life for W10, which means security support
Like IMHO get the upgrade over with now, that way your license is still good and you can just transfer it over to your new PC
Plus like it says there, you can make a bootable USB thumb drive so you can do the clean install on your new PC
vague galleon
does clean install mean whiping ALL my files or something else?
peak marsh
Basically that. Doing a fresh install on a new drive or wiping an existing drive
vague galleon
ah.
peak marsh
You can update without doing a fresh install, but for a new PC a fresh install is recommended
Typically what I do is I'll keep my existing drive and buy a new one for the new PC. The old drive becomes a storage with my files on it, the new one is my main OS drive
vague galleon
why do we even need a w11? 😭
peak marsh
I'm with you, I was pretty content with Win10
vague galleon
id happily use w7 if i could. i skipped right over 8.
peak marsh
I've gotten used to 11 but 10 was fantastic
8 was trash. I skipped it too but a buddy of mine had Windows 8 on his music recording PC and I'd go over to jam a lot
We actually had a track he named "I hate Windows 8" xD
vague galleon
sounds about right.
reef bobcat
my latest SKYRIM purchase, a carpet to keep my feet warm under my pc desk @ AliXpress
severe jetty
Sick
tranquil cove
they had a nvidia driver that caused BSODS on windows 11
nobody made a video when i thought my GPU i just bought was dying
then i discover on my own it's the dumb driver
what the hell is a phizon controller based NvME ssd
who the hell is phizon never heard of them before
if you're not buying western digital or samsung you got a problem already.
obtuse scroll
WD is one of the ones that is having problems....
tranquil cove
He just says Phison
obtuse scroll
Phison is a controller inside of SSDs that a long list of SSD manufacturers use. It's a component not its own device
tranquil cove
and they dont have controllers in Samsung?
obtuse scroll
The samsung ones are not affected by the update issue
He explains the list in the video
obtuse scroll
Of course they have controllers, they just aren't affected
tranquil cove
i have no issues, i get window updates the second they come out and my hard drives are fine though. i guess i didn't install any large games yet though.
almost tempted to uninstall and reinstall baldurs gate 3 and see what happens
obtuse scroll
If you haven't had an issue, don't try to force one. This can corrupt your hard drive and that's a waste of a good drive. If your device is on the list, it's just safest to rollback to the last update and wait to see if a new update happens soon
obtuse scroll
If they aren't on the list, then don't worry for now
tranquil cove
they cant really test ssds from 5 years ago though
like all the SSDs on the market in the last 5 years, it would be a lot of SSDs to test
obtuse scroll
They tested the Samsung 870s and those were 4 years ago. They are testing a lot of them.
peak marsh
If your device is on the list or isn't, safest bet is to roll back the update. Takes like 4 minutes and you don't lose anything for it
They haven't done complete extensive testing, the ones on the list of affected drives are just the drives they know about so far
And in some cases they say like, WD Blue 1.0 TB. That doesn't necessarily mean only the 1TB and the 2TB is fine, that just means they got a result on the 1TB
It's still a new issue so the list isn't comprehensive or complete
obtuse scroll
And in some cases they say like, WD Blue 1.0 TB. That doesn't necessarily mean *...
The 2TB was one that had issues. 1TB was okay though.
peak marsh
In some cases, but not every case
The list is effectively what they've been able to test and get a result on after rounds of testing
obtuse scroll
In some cases, but not every case
I mean you called out the WD Blue and I'm just letting you know they specifically said the 2TB had issues but the 1TB was fine.
peak marsh
Yeah, bad example on my part, I just fired one off from memory xD
obtuse scroll
I mean, most people should roll back to be safe, but so far, we Samsung people got lucky (who knows if that will keep up).
peak marsh
Yeah. It also seems to be a conditional thing, apparently it especially affects drives writing a large number of files when the drive is over 60% full
tepid wadi
Yeah, bad example on my part, I just fired one off from memory xD
From memory
peak marsh
Good old fashioned creating content, then cutting it out of the game and selling it as DLC 
peak marsh
Halloween is a franchise I feel like has been jogging in place since the early 2000s (maybe before)
vague galleon
(it's kind of cringe)
peak marsh
The first movie and maybe H20 were decent. Like not even groundbreaking, just decent. Then it went through that period in the 80s where it wanted to be a weird anthology series with different stories every year
Which was a cool idea but wasn't implemented well
Then they gave that up and just decided to be a knock-off Freddie/Jason franchise but without the charm of either
Like Jason had a good deal of suspense and also creative ways he would dispatch his victims, while Freddie had Robert Englund chewing the scenery and making puns with great practical effects. Halloween didn't really do either, like it had a bit of the suspense aspect but Michael Meyers was just a boring horror villain
tepid wadi
I've never really been big on halloween movies, I dunno why
Maybe just a bit too tropey
peak marsh
That's kinda my thing. Like they're all tropey but the other two franchises have a certain charm to them Halloween just doesn't. It plays things too up front and face value and it just feels kind of boring. I'd much rather watch a Nightmare on Elm Street or Friday the 13th movie, even the really cheesy ones
Like for as campy as they got, movies like Jason X (Friday the 13th, but in space XD) and Freddie vs Jason had their cheesy "so bad it's kinda good" qualities
There was no charisma or character to Michael Meyers, he just stands there like an old board for most of the movie
vague galleon
i just find slasher flicks absolutely disgusting.
it's not horror so much that bothers me as much as "let's make a movie murdering innocent people." and the following trends of "how messed up can we make these deaths?"
and i've gotten a lot of responses to this that im the weird one. like, im weird for being grossed out by horrific murder?
peak marsh
Nah, I understand it. Personally I really like practical film effects and when I watch one of those movies I'm very aware that I'm watching a movie and I'm looking for the cool ways they use props and makeup. I've fallen out with recent slasher movies because of the heavy reliance on CGI
Like the movie The Thing from the 80s was pretty amazing if you like visual effects, and like in Aliens for one of the xenomorphs they had a guy crab walking backwards in costume to get the effect of the creature walking in a strange, alien way. Things like that are cool to me xD
vague galleon
ya, that I can get.
honestly though most people just like the fore or "i like being scared" which makes no sense and I'm just convinced most humans are psychopaths.
also i always needed to be reminded that ghostbusters is a horror franchise. at least with the first two, I aint touching the new ones.
peak marsh
I've always seen Ghostbusters as a comedy first and foremost, though I remember being creeped out by Vigo the Carpathian when I was a kid
vague galleon
i mean, ya, i guess he was a bit creepy.
ghost train... i hate jumpscares
bloody hate that scene in the indian and the cubboard.
peak marsh
Jump scares can be done well, but since around the late 80s filmmakers have forgotten how to use them with subtlety and just go "BOO ...gotcha" without a point
And it's just as annoying as if you had someone at work sneak up on you and do the same thing
vague galleon
oh, another kind of scene I hate, i forget the term, but like, that scene in ms doubtfire, where robin exposes himself and the truth is found out. so painful to watch
peak marsh
Yeah. The kids would call it "cringe"
vague galleon
or secondhand embaressment
peak marsh
But speaking of jump scares, they're done well when they're used sparingly (maybe only once in a movie) as a way to build and release tension. Like a scene early in the movie where they build up a little suspense like something is about to happen, then have a jump scare and immediately lighten the mood. It helps for a tonal shift but also it mentally works you up for the actual suspense later in the movie and makes it feel more intense
In modern films they don't do that, they'll have tension, jump scare, followed by more tension, and without any kind of payoff it just becomes annoying/teasing the audience and kills the suspense rather than enhancing it
vague galleon
oh ya the, suspense, you think murder, no it just another victim, and then later, actually die.
peak marsh
Or like you think there's going to be something around that corner, but it turns out to just be a dog. Then the characters leave for another scene but the camera lingers and there actually was something down there the characters don't know about yet
That's a good jump scare
vague galleon
oh ya that too.
peak marsh
It sets a tone for suspense and gives it a chance to build and release, but establishes that it's still there. From that point the film can let the suspense build slowly until it bubbles over
vague galleon
im not sure there's too many proper horror (nonslaher) movies I could get into.
I do enjoy a bit of liminal space horror, liminal spaces are fascinating.
peak marsh
Older horror/suspense movies did it really well. Hitchcock was great at it
vague galleon
also army of darkness kicked ass.
no, hitchcock sucks.
freaking scarred me for life.
peak marsh
Anything with Bruce Campbell is certified awesome xD
Another movie with great practical effects
vague galleon
i wont ever watch evil dead but army of darkness? great movie.
peak marsh
Evil Dead was good but it wasn't quite gold like AoD was xD
vague galleon
whoa, that looks weird with the higher, resolution and stuff.
but man, I LOVE that line.
tepid wadi
peak marsh
Shop smart, shop S-Mart
vague galleon
God, what was that, right, HALO TWO. Halo two has soooooooooooo many damn good quotable lines.
SHIP MASTER! BRUTE SHIPS! THEY OUTNUMBER THREE TO ONE!
Then it is an even fight. BURN THEIR MONGREL HIDES.
We had sticks! two sticks and a rock! and we had to shaaare the rock!
dear humanity, we regret coming to earth, we regret being ugly alien ass bastards, and we most certainly regret that the core just blue up our ragedy ass fleet!
so the reason why halo 2 looked like shit is that they wanted to do dynamic shadows like Doom 3 but they ran out of time so the models didnt work with the half baked lighting.
timber prism
honestly though most people just like the fore or "i like being scared" which ma...
this is an interesting way to think of it
Also, I love the Halloween series as in the originals. I grew up on slashers as a kid
Who doesn't like being scared?
the rush of adrenaline
timber prism
not really
vague galleon
you're right, i think i mean sociopath.
being scared is awful.
if I want adreneline i'll do extreme sports.
timber prism
i dont think so, its just another emotion
vague galleon
no
vague galleon
there are good emotions, and bad emotions
timber prism
its just a movie
vague galleon
so?
vague galleon
ya well i could film actual horrible events and lie about them being fake.
timber prism
you sure could until someone figured it out i guess
or not
there's obviously an audience for that too
vague galleon
and people would "enjoy" them, and suddenly it's bad when the truth comes out.
tranquil cove
i dont think rollecoasters are the same as horror movies
vague galleon
ya, and those people are sick in the head.
tranquil cove
i don't even think there is a thrill in horror movies
vague galleon
roller coasters are VERY different.
timber prism
not really
tranquil cove
horror movies are a bit like scifi movies in that they are social commentary on society really.
peak marsh
IDK, again for me I don't really get scared by them, I'm more into the practical effects and the general artistry of it (not to sound pretentious xD). When I watched my first slasher movie (Friday the 13th part 3 XD) I was at a friend's house and the entire time the friend's dad was pointing out all the different effects and explaining how they did it to put it into context, and i remember just thinking how cool it was they could do all that and make it look so (for the time) real
tranquil cove
they are actually valuable, but people dont recognize the value as much as scifi usually
but it depends, it has to be a well done horror movie
peak marsh
Exorcist was pretty creepy. Linda Blair really sold it
tranquil cove
Exorcist, Poltergeist, IT, Blade Runner, all the old classics.
timber prism
and then proceeded to grab flashlights
and ran in the woods
at like 1 AM
it was great
vague galleon
Blade Runner was good.
tranquil cove
The Shining
peak marsh
It actually did creep me out as a kid xD Also Puppetmaster, I loved the effects on the puppets though
tranquil cove
er not blade runner, maybe i got the title mixed up
for some reason I said blade runner instead of Hell raiser
vague galleon
The Shining is interesting. so was Dreamcatcher. sad movie though.
timber prism
a lot of the audience was laughing
peak marsh
Hellraiser was pretty fun, the cenobites were cool
vague galleon
a lot of people are sociopaths.
timber prism
There was some hilarious moments in that film
tranquil cove
Dark Skies was actually a good horror, about Grey Aliens, it was good, people don't give it credit for some reason.
vague galleon
District 9 was a good movie.
peak marsh
The Thing is still my all time favorite for visual effects though
peak marsh
John Carpenter at his absolute best
timber prism
Just watched the trailer of the game
im assuming you are just playing the survivors
since it said single player or coop
iconic theme song
tranquil cove
Pet cemtary was a horror, but I barely remember it or if it was good.. also Chucky and Nightmare on Elm Street
timber prism
Like for as campy as they got, movies like Jason X (Friday the 13th, but in spac...
these were so over the top lmao
peak marsh
Yeah xD They were great popcorn flicks
timber prism
i enjoyed the first two Friday the 13th movies.. same for Nightmare on Elm St.
I watch the latter every few years
tranquil cove
apparently the FLY is a horror 😆 i guess, sometimes a movie is more scifi than horror
peak marsh
Yeah I have to do the later ones very sparingly, especially the later Nightmare on Elm St movies. Robert Englund really went full ham towards the end
timber prism
I think as iconic as Jason is.. his movies were my least favorite of the classic slashers.. the game that didn't do so well.. was fun lmao
Also.. the original Friday the 13th game.. OMG that was so bad but great XD
peak marsh
The LJN one? I hated that one as a kid xD
timber prism
peak marsh
The Friday the 13th NES game too
timber prism
ahahahaha
tranquil cove
Event Horizon also another horror scifi
peak marsh
If Chrissy and Mark died you might as well reset the game
timber prism
the inside the cabin music on that game
is a forever memory
LMAO speaking of which
the jumpscare of Jason appearing
HOLY
nightmare fuel XD
vague galleon
there's a huge amount of scifi that is horror, they go hand in hand a little too often.
peak marsh
Then you have movies like Prometheus, which is scifi nonsense xD
tepid wadi
Same! Seems like a lot of really good changes
peak marsh
Meanwhile, in Valheim:
obtuse scroll
Now now, they just released a tiny patch into the ptb for combat and a few other changes (some that sound really annoying, but hey, they're doing something)
peak marsh
Yeah, just memeing about the bears. It's good they're getting some additions and fixes
The archery targets and training dummies are pretty cool honestly
obtuse scroll
Only if it levels the skills, because if they're just pointless props, no thanks, work on the actual game.
peak marsh
Is kinda the thing though. Training dummies and bears would be a lot cooler if they came with some meaningful progress
Also adding trinkets (another item that just sits in your bag) and not a way to expand bag space is... a choice?
obtuse scroll
It said something about a new area, but we will see, because if it's not up north, soooo many games are getting borked
The trinkets annoy me. Don't add more flippin gear, if you're not going to have gear slots to open up inventory. Not to mention they'll probably weigh so and so lbs, which means less to carry there too.
peak marsh
Armor itself was already a point of friction without adding to it
obtuse scroll
It's a horrible system to not only have limited space but a weight max on top of that. -_- Then they add more things that take away options for using what little space you have.
peak marsh
That one still boggles me. I understand having limitation but weight limits aren't fun. They've never been fun
obtuse scroll
Half our bag is gear. I don't know about you, but I wear my clothes, not put them in my backpack
peak marsh
Never once has anyone thought "you know what, I'm really glad they have this weight system" in any game. Ever. I'm willing to put money on that
Yeah, the lack of a separate equipment inventory feels rudimentary and half-baked
At launch it was whatever, a minor annoyance, but as time goes on it's really kind of baffling they haven't added at least that much QoL
obtuse scroll
I love Valheim, but holy crap could they learn a few things from like any other game.
peak marsh
Same. It's a great game but it's missing so many things I'd call just basic
obtuse scroll
I use an equipment mod that gives the slots for equipment and three foods.
peak marsh
4 years in EA it really feels like a shame that modders are still doing the heavy lifting on such things
obtuse scroll
4 years in EA it really feels like a shame that modders are still doing the heav...
People keep saying but they only have a few devs. I'm sorry, but that doesn't work as an excuse forever. They had the money to hire more, they chose to pocket more profit instead.
peak marsh
Don't forget they bought a pony
Dunno how many devs is equal to the cost of a pony, but I have to imagine it's at least one
(The pony was neither seen nor heard from again by the player base)
From a PC Gamer article in May of 2021
Literally the only new 'team member' they paid for, a pony xD
obtuse scroll
Pony, depending on breeds, and not to mention care, could easily pay for a low level dev.
peak marsh
Right? That's kind of where the "small team" excuse wears thin. You don't have 'get a QoL or UI developer' money but you have pony money?
Not to mention they've said a couple of times that they're basically fatigued with the game and want to be done, which always goes over well when the game is crawling along at a snail's pace and the features your community wants have to be added by said community
And have admitted that the first year they let the viral success go to their heads and spent the entire year basically on vacation
Again, love the game and I think they did an amazing job with it, at first. Since then it's been pretty disappointing and it sounds like after 1.0 they're basically going to leave it to the modders
vague galleon
runescape amusingly had a weight system but it just affected your stamina usage.
oh elder scrolls does it too. i always console commanded/modded more carry weight. lol
main reasom i ever used godmode. rofl.
runescape also once had your armor in your invemtory back in the ancient times.
vague galleon
And have admitted that the first year they let the viral success go to their hea...
jeez what a bunch of fools.
no wonder i fell off the game. well thats not why but still.
timber prism
Never once has anyone thought "you know what, I'm really glad they have this wei...
I actually liked weight in BDO lmao
I didn't like the P2W mechanics behind it tho
severe jetty
Never heard of the game
peak marsh
Same, literally my first time hearing about it
misty arch
peak marsh
lol. That doesn't bode well for Marathon
timber prism
Marathon was not in a good place to begin with XD
Arc Raiders pretty much killed any momentum Marathon had when its test ended up much better
I wish they made it a single player or coop pve experience
peak marsh
Yeah fair, Marathon doesn't bode well for Marathon xD
But it's kind of a big deal when your CEO dips during the final weeks of a major game release
timber prism
But it's kind of a big deal when your CEO dips during the final weeks of a major...
Didnt they push it back to like 2026?
peak marsh
Yeah but it's still supposed to be Q1 so it's before the end of Sony's fiscal year
Which really isn't a ton of time
I say final weeks because given that timeframe they need to be fundamentally done by then and be working on like polish, servers, and MTX
tepid wadi
lol. That doesn't bode well for Marathon
Everything I've heard is that it's actually probably going to be good. My understanding is that Bungie folks liken him to ol' Bobby K.
peak marsh
Oh sure, long term its a net positive, I just mean what with a large, expensive game release looming and Sony increasingly putting pressure on the studio
The rats always jump ship first xD
timber prism
I say final weeks because given that timeframe they need to be fundamentally don...
March never sounds like weeks to me but I gotcha XD
If its really really bad maybe it gets pushed back a la Skull n Bones XD
peak marsh
Yeah, for us it seems like a while but in development terms it might as well be next week lol
Plus the holidays probably cost you a month total in time
vague galleon
callig it marathon is like quake 2 beig quake. nothing to do with the first game.
tranquil cove
vague galleon
peak marsh
Bioshock fans:
peak marsh
tepid wadi
"Densely populated area" - footage shows like 4 NPCs total 😝
peak marsh
I'm making note of the fact that you don't see other players running around. Granted it was a limited preview but still
tepid wadi
Yeah, I'm curious if it's becase it was a closed preview or if seeing other players is limited to hubs
My hope is obviously that it's low population because of closed preview and you'd see people out in the world.
Maybe I'm old fashioned, but I think dungeons shouldn't be solo queue-able. Group content exists for a reason, and allowing it to be completely soloed means that a good chunk of your players will just... never play with anyone outside of their core group.
peak marsh
I was just thinking the same thing. Feels like people will just get impatient and all dungeons will just be solo content or an hour+ wait
tepid wadi
It sounds like there will be people in the open world when he talked about the world boss that was fightable.
timber prism
Im curious ohow much better it will be than BP
the test is going on right now so im sure we will see more footage
peak marsh
tepid wadi
I enjoyed the first Aion, fingers crossed that this one is fun
It sounds like they'll have a good variety of fun content types. Fingers crossed that the monetization is good
Oof auto combat 👎
timber prism
They butchered their new Aion servers this week
timber prism
Yeah. Forgot to disable certain boosters so when they changed stuff over from account wide login to the new Ascend
So some accounts got perma buffs bc those boosters dont exist
timber prism
Yeah. Max level characters running hella perma buffs lmao
Supposedly they are trying to undo them one by one
tepid wadi
That's crazy, you'd think with the buffs not existing, they just... wouldn't apply?
timber prism
You would think lmao
misty arch
its not StarFox but it will do
https://youtu.be/DaJ7OGBhPEs?si=azjCvnpWrk_U7PN_
peak marsh
There was another Starfox-like not long ago that got a lot of praise
vague galleon
but man, i hate how this game also has "OH NO I GOT SOMEONE ON MY TAIL IM HELPLESS SAAAAAVE MEEEE"
and then when I have someone on my tail "DO A BARREL ROLL" F U SAVE ME
vague galleon
Only difference is it's roguelike
Ew.
timber prism
Temu Starfox is a thing I guess XD
peak marsh
I mean, if Nintendo won't do anything with Starfox we just have to settle for Starfox at home xD
timber prism
https://store.steampowered.com/app/2140100/Whisker_Squadron_Survivor/
This looks cool
It looks better to me than that Wildblue game
peak marsh
I haven't checked it out yet but it's supposed to be really good
Actually speaking of ignored Nintendo franchises, I'm kinda surprised nobody is working on a multiplayer F-Zero clone
timber prism
Ill check it out if I got time after my Hollow Knight run if I finish it before Delta comes out haha
Too many games z.z
They said something about not knowing to come up with a new evolution of F zero
How*
peak marsh
I mean, just do F-Zero GX but multiplayer. It would slap especially hard if you made it 120fps on Switch 2
No need to overthink the concept
timber prism
That doesn't sound like Nintendo unless its Pokémon lmao
Also same goes for Wipeout lmao
peak marsh
Wipeout would go hard as a 120fps multiplayer game
You could have leaderboards, ranked races, tournaments... I've never been big on the whole idea of "let the players create the content" but this is one case where it would fit exceptionally well
Like, this is a great time where Nintendo should just be kinda lazy for once
It doesn't necessarily have to be exactly F-Zero GX but like, you'd just have to do a "best of" with the course selection and have it run at a stable 120. You could even drip feed in remastered tracks from the older games like they did with Mario Kart 8
timber prism
That would be interesting
vague galleon
Actually speaking of ignored Nintendo franchises, I'm kinda surprised nobody is ...
what makes f-zero better than any other racing game?
peak marsh
Wouldn't say better necessarily, but a different flavor. It gives an intense feeling of speed and it's very intense from start to finish. F-Zero GX on Gamecube is widely considered the pinnacle of the F-Zero experience
vague galleon
They said something about not knowing to come up with a new evolution of F zero
i saw that, and it's a weakass excuse when they have zero problems making new mario games that get what, new power ups?
at least zelda has a little more room for creativity but OoT of and TP are the same game.
peak marsh
Plus it has that whole futuristic neon aesthetic
timber prism
I mean Mario has changed significantly with new titles
vague galleon
Wouldn't say better necessarily, but a different flavor. It gives an intense fee...
id check it out if I didnt despise racing games so much. i mean there's some i enjoy with friends but between me sucking at racing games and the games literally cheating.......................
vague galleon
I mean Mario has changed significantly with new titles
define signifficantly?
timber prism
Look at Mario 3/World compared to 64 to Galaxy
They are quite different even though all three are platformers
vague galleon
ya but with the sidescrollers they're all the same.
peak marsh
Heck even just Mario Bros > Super Mario > Super Mario 2 > Super Mario 3
vague galleon
nah, those are all the same game.
peak marsh
Each is wildly different from the last
vague galleon
Sonic 2 vs Sonic 3d blast? Eh, eh?
what are you smoking?
timber prism
Heck even just Mario Bros > Super Mario > Super Mario 2 > Super Mario 3
We cant count 2 because that wasnt even supposed to be a Mario game lmao
Im very nostalgic about that series in general... Mario Bros was the first game I beat when I was a smol child in the 80s
vague galleon
is 2 super weird like that gameboy one?
timber prism
Mario 2 had selectable characters ( toadstool and peach added ) and had enemies that originated from a different game. Yume Kōjō: Doki Doki Panic was the original game reskinned to Mario 2 for American audience.
vague galleon
one of my favorite zeldas was link's awakening but the ending ruined it for me.
still, I loved the mario references and all the little things.
still LOVE the oracle games although i never did finish a full playthrough of both. I've had a very long list of speed bumps with Ages.
finished seasons back in the day though.
i miss the ring system.
peak marsh
We cant count 2 because that wasnt even supposed to be a Mario game lmao
We can count it because it was released as one (at least for us) xD Besides, who knows if it would have been or not, the only reason it was made into Doki Doki in the first place is because when Nintendo was approached to make a game for the festival, they already had it in development. So Doki Doki basically got the same treatment as Mario 2, they just took a game they were already just about done with and threw some character skins on it xD
Maybe originally it would have been a Mario game or even the Mario game we got anyhow
vague galleon
DOKI DOKI
timber prism
Maybe originally it would have been a Mario game or even the Mario game we got a...
My only thing about this is that they didnt even reskin enemies... they just used ones that are canon to that doki doki game
Not sure why they didnt even take the time to reskin them to koopa's or anything Mario related
peak marsh
Sure but thanks to that we got shy guys, bomb ombs, those cactus things, and a lot of other Mario series staples
I was going to mention the fact that Mario and Luigi play differently, but that was already established in Mario 2 Japan, where Luigi was "slippery" and jumped higher
edgy lantern
I just rewatch the gamescom opening night live. Besides Enshrouded, another game for me interested. La Divina Commedia.
I'm asked ChatGPT about it and here is what he told me
"faithfully reinterpret Dante's literary masterpiece"
As a human who read it 3 times already, this got me more interested than the rest of details
peak marsh
tepid wadi
Looks potentially promising. Much more than most upcoming projects. One quiet red flag for me was at the beginning of the video though: "World bosses with up to 20 people."
Which means the "open world" zones are only going to have a max of 20 people 🙁
timber prism
Looks potentially promising. Much more than most upcoming projects. One quiet re...
I cant remember if it just creates an boss zone that allows 20 to enter when it spawns.
tepid wadi
Interesting
peak marsh
Given the way it seems to be structured I'm anticipating more of an "MMO lite" feel, where its open world and you see other players kinda phase in and out
timber prism
Not sure how diff it is from OG Blue Protocol but there was a large amount of players i saw running around
It was when it first launched.
vague galleon
you lost me at mmo.
tepid wadi
Kind of an interesting way to do things
frail thunder
That looks interesting. Though I'm not really into that type of combat style. I'll probably try it out just to try. It's supposed to be free to play. So why not. Of course that will depend on how intrusive the EULA, TOS, and any Anti-Cheat is.
timber prism
Its pretty fun
tepid wadi
I'm mostly concerned about P2W these days, since most f2p games tend to bungle it in one way or another
frail thunder
ya
tepid wadi
Well, my problem with it is just fundamental. When there's P2W in a MMO, a significant portion of the audience gets edged out by the people willing to pay for power, then they quit, then the game dies.
We see it again and again. Yeah, the games make enough money to be successful in the process, but like... it's a terrible player experience and not good for a long term living world type game.
timber prism
big plus for me is that there aren't pvp games of that theme and the pvp is actually good https://youtu.be/VxCTrgrTW4k?si=4RHuurg1obJMNwFt
tepid wadi
Yeah, the PvP being good is really important.
timber prism
I dont think it has to be a terrible experience
Albion has its fanbase
Eastern audiences like their mmos and they are p2w
tepid wadi
Yeah
peak marsh
I mean, with MTX it's always a case of kneecapping something. If it's cosmetic, visual progression (which is an important aspect) gets kneecapped. If it's power, player balance gets kneecapped. If it's pay to skip/pay for convenience, the overall experience gets kneecapped
The last one in particular, because it requires the fundamental design to create friction and problems in order to be able to sell the solution
People bemoan pay2win, and rightfully so, but I feel like cosmetic and convenience mtx get too much of a free pass because they're "not as bad". They're sitll pretty bad xD
timber prism
I rather have mtx than battle passes
those force people to play a game and do dailies/weekly challenges to get stuff
even if they are free
timed events even seasonal aren't great either
I have come to accept all of this though
peak marsh
I don't mind seasonal events as much because most games just do it as a little celebration thing. Timed events and battle passes are pretty obnoxious
timber prism
idk.. its the same to me
because its saying "play this game to earn this currency to use in this event only vendor"
that doesn't sound like a celebration to me XD
celebration would be more like.. hey, its <holiday> check your mail for this free stuff
peak marsh
Eh, as long as it's all available for free and it isn't game impacting, it's something I find I can ignore. A lot of people like having the chase
tepid wadi
I mean this all is why I advocate for a subscription-only model. No fuss, no muss, just you pay and you play.
peak marsh
I'd say BP is different because it's persistent and they usually do impact the broader gameplay. They come with boosts, unlocks, things that can make a player objectively stronger than another
And they usually have the free tier and the paid tier with more of that stuff
timber prism
its literally the same thing
tepid wadi
Yeah, like paid chances for crafting and stuff, where you can guarantee upgrades
timber prism
just all year round versus seasonal Xd
peak marsh
When it's all year round it's something they change the fundamental gameplay for. Games don't usually design around occasional seasonal events
timber prism
do x within this time frame and get stuff
tepid wadi
Sort of. I've never seen a battle pass system that doesn't also come with other MTX
peak marsh
Like, with persistent BP they're making various leveling/unlock tasks from the base game harder because "you can unlock faster if you do the BP". Seasonal events are usually just like, you can unlock a swimsuit cosmetic or a pet that looks like a pumpkin
Maybe a fireworks item
peak marsh
Yeah, a seasonal cosmetic that isn't part of the core game. Like you aren't handicapping visual progression because once a year you're going to let players dress up like a bunny xD
Does Helldivers do that seasonally, or is it a persistent BP?
timber prism
i mean.... <.<
tepid wadi
For helldivers it's persistent
timber prism
persistent
tepid wadi
Like the new BP gets added and then you can buy it whenever
tepid wadi
Yeah, but also helldives has a pretty solid progression of being able to get BP-purchasing currency by playing
So if you play enough you don't ever need to spend money, it feels a lot better
timber prism
yeah
peak marsh
That's the part I have issues with, when there's always a BP and you're tying player progression to it. At some point you're making getting that equipment organically harder because you're trying to funnel players into the BP and get them to pay for the upgraded tier
timber prism
WWM will have this too
but its more like.... getting refreshes
so you can farm more
but you still gotta farm
not as a battle pass i dont think.. just straight up gacha
tepid wadi
That's a pretty substantial power gain over non-paying players though
peak marsh
tepid wadi
I see we found the same video at the same time
peak marsh
xD Still watching on my end
tepid wadi
Same
peak marsh
One thing I appreciate about JSH is he actively refuses sponsorships so he can use his own words and honest opinions in his reviews
tepid wadi
Yeah
peak marsh
Feels like a scattergun. Like they're throwing out a lot of ideas that don't necessarily seem cohesive
peak marsh
I mean, on the one hand it sounds like a neat endgame kind of idea, the whole roguelike procedural dungeon thought, but then you have Fortnite building and apparently the zones will be available throughout progress, it sounds like what JSH mentions where all you're effectively doing is splitting your already limited player base
The Fortnite building I'm iffy on. I'm not sure why that's a thing
tepid wadi
It doesn't seem like it's mechanically well integrated into the gameplay loop, that's for sure.
My big thought is the sort of feedback they're looking for on a very unfinished product like that should be what they're getting from their QA department. But that led me to take a quick look at the FPC website and... there's no QA leadership listed 🙁
peak marsh
That in itself is troubling, but yeah, while it's admirable that they want to be transparent about the process, transparency this early doesn't really benefit anyone. Players can't take anything away from it because of how early on it is and devs aren't going to get meaningful feedback because nothing is finalized enough to say for sure that it works or doesn't
tepid wadi
Yeah, it also seems like they're trying to build a VERY large system and show it off before some of the core fundamentals are in place to showcase what makes the system special
And most players are gonna have a real hard time understanding the value of that system if they can't show how it's better than other things, heh.
The nightreign comparison is actually hilarious to me
peak marsh
And I mean, speaking of fundamentals why wouldn't you at very least have your core class skills functional before doing your big streamer reveal review thing? Like, they're working with a tank that can't tank
tepid wadi
Yeah, like i get wanting to show your work and stuff. But like... if it isn't actually playable why have players play it? Write more dev blocks and show clips and stuff.
peak marsh
Yeah, the whole thing gives me concerns about how they're operating frankly. You're developing an MMO that you decide to showcase too early and without showing the actual MMO part. You're effectively showing off a roguelike proc gen game wearing an MMO skin
Which again, is an interesting idea if we're talking about endgame or some kind of side activity, but it seems odd to me to make it available from the start
tepid wadi
I think it kinda has to do with how their world is designed, but yeah I agree