other-games

[severe jetty]

Its kind of that concept

Only open world

[timber prism]

Looks neat. Not a Pokémon guy but im sure it will be good for people who enjoy that

[severe jetty]

See how it unfolds can still be very bad so wont get my hopes up to high

[peak marsh]

Not big on pokemon either but any open world survival with airships gets a second look from me xD

[severe jetty]

I wonder how the combat ie

is*

They need playtesters i see

[peak marsh]

From the in game shots it looks like you can actually build on the airship, which is something I've wanted to see for a while

[severe jetty]

Yeah i saw that pretty cool

Yeah build ur airship

U can fly on a tower even

[peak marsh]

Buildable flying bases is something I haven't seen a lot of and I think it's an interesting idea if done well while leaving options to be creative

Like, I've seen it, but it's usually done almost like Subnautica or No Man's Sky where you're basically just snapping modules together rather than really building whatever you want to build

[tepid wadi]

That reminds me, I should check on Lost Skies

[peak marsh]

Looks like it's not doing the best

Recent reviews are complaining about the devs effectively just doing content dumps without going back and fixing (sometimes game breaking) bugs

But also that seems a little harsh for a 3 month old game

3 1/2 technically

[tepid wadi]

Yeah it's early access so I'm keeping an eye on it

[tepid wadi]

Gamers are notoriously harsh, heh

[peak marsh]

I'd be more inclined to believe the reviews if we were at the 6 month point and still seeing complaints of launch day major bugs but like, give em time to cook xD

[tepid wadi]

Devs also have different ways of doing things. They might be pushing out a ton of content and then go back and do a massive wave of bug fixes / reworks 🤷‍♀️

[peak marsh]

I was just about to type that xD They might have a list of things they want to get pushed out the door before they start getting under the hood and hearing all the "content patch when" comments

[severe jetty]

What is this about mostly crafting?

[tepid wadi]

Players are also notoriously bad at understanding fix effort. Some things might be super tough to fix, but seem like "simple" bugs in gameplay.

It's like Guardians of the Wild Sky but more focused on building/upgrading your airship than having the pokemon elements

[peak marsh]

https://store.steampowered.com/app/1931180/Lost_Skies/

Steam

Lost Skies

Embark on a high-flying journey through the remnants of ancient civilizations and uncover the mysteries behind their downfall. As you traverse skies teeming with wonder and danger, harness advanced technology to overcome challenges and push the boundaries of human ingenuity.…

Price

$24.99

Recommendations

1784

▶ Play video

[severe jetty]

Ahh okay

[peak marsh]

And the old trope of "fix one bug. Now you have 3 new bugs"

[peak marsh]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dopgX6yJTIY - Two things on this video: 1) It's nice when AAAs actually listen to their playerbase, but 2) I hate the narrative being presented. Yeah I get it, YT clickbait, get the views, work the hustle, etc. I just dislike the notion that a developer listening to their players and making changes that those players want is "caving" to them, like Nintendo was "bent to their collective will" etc. It makes me question when we see adversarial relationships between developers and gamers, how much gamers (but especially games media) are doing to perpetuate that relationship

And TBF I like Yong, he generally does good videos and I liked his voice work in Yakuza

https://www.youtube.com/post/Ugkxqo48ck_sokSE9j1o_vGZDC7rmCipj3a4 - Niche use case, but if anyone is looking for a portable monitor

$60 for a 15" display isn't bad if you're in that market

Especially if you have something like a Steam Deck, Switch, Fire Stick, or Chromecast

[vague galleon]

what did i miss? this seems vsguely familiar. he quit the old website or something?

[tepid wadi]

Big drama a couple years ago, went independent with some of the crew from the old website

Fully Ramblomatic is basically the same format as Zero Punctuation was, with the same guy

[vague galleon]

ya

and the other guy passed away eh?

[tepid wadi]

There was a big game reviewer that passed away, I don't remember if it was related though

[vague galleon]

different team

the Spiffing brit i think

[tepid wadi]

Sounds right, I think that was longer ago, too

[fast haven]

That one is still alive. 🤔

[vague galleon]

it was one of the british guys

cynacil brit?

ya.
total biscuit

[timber prism]

https://youtu.be/frcUvQ8uEPU?si=j3rChYjLdAKYE_1a

[reef bobcat]

Anyone ever play Running With Rifles?

[peak marsh]

Yeah. Basically The Escapist was making ridiculous demands and cutting staff, so he and a bunch of the people who basically made their Youtube channel good left and started Second Wind

[vague galleon]

ya i never realizedot was a wholeass company and team.

[finite saffron]

Yeah I played it forever ago, pretty neat game. Definitely was probably the inspiration for modern games like Foxhole

[misty arch]

https://youtu.be/XszCdDNI-ls?si=zjs3qjnixHqH4QSI

https://youtu.be/ADYppf44cTs?si=ryB2B9VUkMLx6sBY

[reef bobcat]

Would you like to play?

2,000 hrs and I still play daily

[peak marsh]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eYLDl2_lHyE

[timber prism]

https://youtu.be/n8PqmhQBHzc?si=jqN-ljJiOypBZovQ

[peak marsh]

Really pushing that nostalgia

Hopefully they at least updated the loot system so people can't just camp you and steal your drops

[misty arch]

https://youtu.be/wFGEMfyAQtI?si=vCJvNsNO5QioI1P_

[timber prism]

Im here for it. I rather play RO3 over Drakantos 10/10 times lmao

It looks good

[peak marsh]

I'd just rather see RO evolve. In 20-something years they haven't figured out anything beyond re-releasing the same game

[timber prism]

Why does it need to evolve?

Don't break something that works imo

Like new IPs sure

[peak marsh]

I mean, it doesn't necessarily need to, apparently RO still makes decent money in Asia, it's just I can only muster so much excitement for a graphical update on a 20 year old game

[timber prism]

But like... maplestory tried to evolve

And MS2 was disastrous compared to 1

To the point I think it shut down and everyone just plays MS1

FF14 and WoW are using their same formula and it still works for them xd

[peak marsh]

IDK, I'd be pretty into it if they released an RO with more ARPG style combat vs click/tab target

[timber prism]

People said the same with MS2 lmao

[peak marsh]

Yeah but wasn't MS2 plagued with MTX?

[timber prism]

And when it happened it tanked

MS2 didn't fail bc of mtx

Im sure RO3 is gonna have some form of it too

[peak marsh]

Yeah but I seem to remember MS2 having like, gameplay changing levels of MTX

[timber prism]

I dont remember swiping aggressively in MS2

Ill have to look it up. I just remember MS2 not being fun at all

[peak marsh]

Yeah, a quick google points more towards just bad implementation and a failed late-in-the-game rework

Whcih TBF, any evolution is going to fail if they just do it badly xD

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7ymkDJyF-9Y - Case in point, Splitgate 2 xD

[reef bobcat]

Running With Rifles 32 player coop military game mention me to squad up. Game is $15 steam $5 g2A

[peak marsh]

We don't really support/discuss gray market game key resellers here

[peak marsh]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q1NOSucpFJ4

[vague galleon]

finish the ones you bought first.

[peak marsh]

The August list doesn't really have anything I'm excited about anyhow. In fact, it actually throws a bucket of water on something I actually was mildly excited about. Apparently (not that I'm surprised) Blue Protocol is going to be heavily P2W

Like, to the point they're having a 5 day beta test this month and they're going to have the cash shop running for those 5 days -.-

[timber prism]

Like what did you expect?

Lmao

The first iteration had it

[peak marsh]

I mean again I'm not shocked, but running the cash shop for a 5 day open beta feels gross

[timber prism]

They need to test it

I would rather them test the system to make sure it works vs waiting until launch and having exploited mtx

Which has happened in other mmos

Maybe they even give you bonuses for using it?

Like 2x when the game releases

Looking forward to BF6, Lost Souls, and Metal Gear Solid 3

[peak marsh]

Yeah, maybe if they give a bonus or like refund whatever you spent during the beta as credits you can use at launch, that would feel less gross

IDK, somehow I feel like an asian MMO dev dosen't need a lot of practice making a cash shop xD

[timber prism]

You would be surprised

Since majority of them have all had exploited cash shops

Even ones that had reported back on KR that made their way to global release

[tepid wadi]

Man imagine a MMO without a cash shop these days

[tranquil cove]

i imagined it, now what?

[tepid wadi]

Think about how nice it feels, feel that warm fuzzy feeling 😝

[timber prism]

Sorry... I need that dopamine from getting my 0.1% mount skin

[tranquil cove]

i dont play MMOs anymore

not since ultima online got ruined, they were all downhill after

lol

its either endless quest grind, or skill grind

instances, ruined immersion, level based pvp or gear based.

it's literally everything bad about gaming rolled into 1.

meaningless hack slash on mobs, to grind loot/money so you can be viable in pvp. PVP centric design usually, or PVE otherwise, and no community involvement of any sort, every MMO is you playing solo with 1000 people beside you also playing solo, unless you force yourself into a guild.

literally everything bad about game design is in an MMO

it's where the trash ideas go

to live on forever and make money

[tepid wadi]

Yeah, it doesn't have to be though. There are some that try new and interesting things but they often get killed by toxic monetization or not good enough gameplay loops.

You probably would have liked Archeage (pre-MTX destruction)

[tranquil cove]

from everything you guys say about archeage it sounds like one of the last MMOS that was good

i heard potentially good things about starwars galaxies, but never played it

[tepid wadi]

It's definitely some of my best MMO memories

But if you talk to most MMO players, they'll be able to regale you with stories of when they had some of their best gaming memories in MMOs and they wish that a new MMO could really stand above. They'll all have at least vague ideas of what they'd love to see in a modern MMO and they'll all definitely be able to tell you why recent MMOs have fallen apart.

There's totally a possibility space there for some REALLY good games that are just not being served by current generation MMOs.

[vague galleon]

you got some great jokes.

[reef bobcat]

Ok than buy on steam idgaf

[peak marsh]

I mean, the main issue is a lot of the keys that go through a site like that come from fraud and/or money laundering from stolen credit cards. When those chargebacks happen from banks, the developers lose money on those copies. It's effectively stealing from developers and it's a really, really shitty practice to support just to save a few bucks

And especially here on a discord for an indie game studio we feel a certain kind of way about practices that hurt small developers

Actually I'm pretty sure the site you mentioned specifically was shut down for a while exactly for facilitating fraud. I'm a little surprised they're running again

[tepid wadi]

https://massivelyop.com/2025/08/01/interview-archeage-chronicles-xlgames-on-housing-pvp-launch-and-its-mmo-nature/

Tldr: "Focused on single player narrative experiences with online community content."

[reef bobcat]

Ok I put it on there for people who need that option calm yourself

[peak marsh]

The option to support fraud and credit card theft. Cool bro

[timber prism]

Its interesting to see two IPs shift focus away from MMO with Chronicles and Crimson Desert

[peak marsh]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=twor6RYVtdQ

[timber prism]

Titan Quest 2 EA got shaded dropped

Shadow*

[tepid wadi]

I have a lot of thoughts about this sort of thing. I think its this sort of strategy that leads into "a game for everyone is a game for no one" design.

[tepid wadi]

I'll give it a shot

[timber prism]

Same. Gonna try it depending if im playing grounded 2 tonight

[peak marsh]

Yeah I noticed that on my YT feeds. Haven't heard anything about it yet though

[tranquil cove]

i would prob play a titan quest 2 if it looked good and improved somehow

[vague galleon]

couldnt get into TQ1.
loot was awful early game.
i shouldnt have to hit NG+ to get good loot.

ironically i think grim dawn is pretty good.

[tranquil cove]

it's a grindy game

and yeah you need to beat it like 3 times to start getting good loot/build your character

we'll see if they improve anything for 2

maybe they will learn some better ideas from POE or something

[vague galleon]

ya, the problem is, ARPGs are very repetitive games, so I need the shiny loot to keep me going.

I dont mind games having a cool endgame thats lots of fun but if I'm too be bored until I get there or told by the community to "just wait" or "rush" the main content, then the game is trash to me.

[peak marsh]

Yeah, "it gets better later" is a thinly veiled way of saying the early game sucks

[tranquil cove]

its an okay game, i never did say it gets better later

i just said loot is better later, like objective fact, they designed the game that way, based on a normal mode, epic, and then legend completion.

[peak marsh]

Yeah, I was replying to what Endalrin said

[tranquil cove]

so obviously in legend, you will get better loot

[peak marsh]

I dont mind games having a cool endgame thats lots of fun but if I'm too be bored until I get there or told by the community to "just wait" or "rush" the main content, then the game is trash to me.

[tranquil cove]

i dont know if they should even tier the game like that

because it is just repetitive content, and the difference in difficulty isn't mechanically significant enough.

like there aren't new bosses, they dont have new attacks, pretty sure just increased damage and hp. which is boring grind.

[peak marsh]

Yeah, that's very old school ARPG design. Like Diablo 2 levels of old school, just beating the same game on multiple difficulties

Though when PoE did it I wasn't bothered too much because there was so much build tinkering to do

[tranquil cove]

for me i like titan quest for the lore/era depiction, mythology etc. and yeah the loot is nice, i already grinded to legend with multiple chars, so i dont complain about loot as much, as maybe i would have if i was a beginner.

i dont really find the gameplay itself that good

but im not really an ARPG fan

or whatever the genre is, in isometric view

so basically i dont really like the gameplay in any arpg is what i mean - that i've tried.

[tepid wadi]

TQ1 is really just old enough that it shows its age. It feels like it's from an era when we had no idea what we were doing and gaming has just evolved so much since then. The class system for it was creative for the time, but other than that and how great the setting is, meh

[vague galleon]

as much as I love diablo 2, it did kind of fail with the loot, i think, I didnt play enough multiplayer but like, legendaries and set items I barely ever found. i guess you're supposed to trade a lot but like, it didnt seem worth it.

Torchlight II however gave you tons of set items.

[peak marsh]

Either trade or do lots, and lots, and lots of boss runs

Preferably with some luck items

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tR3k-GpDTCg

[tepid wadi]

TL2 is defintely one of the ARPG greats

[misty arch]

https://youtu.be/6eafBknCPcI?si=01qG0A_f5LaEpv9i

[peak marsh]

Wild, we were just talking about Darksiders not too long ago

[tranquil cove]

TL2?

[tranquil cove]

buts its always boss runs in ARPGS for items

also that video is saying TQ2 is good basically

it really just depends on the item drops when you do the boss runs probably

[tepid wadi]

Torchlight 2

[tranquil cove]

is 2 the old one?

i heard someone saying 2 is not as good as 1

[tepid wadi]

Nah, 2 is way better than 1. There's a newer torchlight that isn't as good as 2

[tranquil cove]

or was it that 3 is not as good as 2

[tepid wadi]

If we want REAL deep cuts. Dungeon Siege 2

Was also peak (for it's time)

[vague galleon]

toruchlight 3 did actually do a lot that I liked.

but the gameplay just wasnt satisfying.

the bases were neat, pets were vastly improved, the game LOOKED GOOD, and loot was alright.

[tepid wadi]

An unfortunate amount of games are like that. Neat ideas, but missing some core execution

[vague galleon]

the new health potion system was a failure

plot didnt interest me, although ARPG plot is so pointless.

just like the plot in an FPS

but ya, combat overall just didnt pull me in.

[tepid wadi]

Depends on the game and how it's done. I think plot can be fine in a ARPG or FPS, it just has to be created in the right way where the players experience in organically during play instead of being locked into story specific cutscenes and stuff.

[timber prism]

ARPG plot isn't pointless

[vague galleon]

let me tell ya, when i was playing doom 16 and I got to the "come into my office" bit I was just like, shut the heck up and let me get back to killing monsters.

[timber prism]

Diablo series and its cinematics are so good

tropish but really well done

[vague galleon]

oh ya, blizzard kicks butt with cinematics

but let's not lie to ourselves

the entire point of an ARPG is to kill tons of mobs at once and get shiny loot, rinse and repeat.

[timber prism]

not necessarily

[vague galleon]

if I had one critiscism of TL2, one of my favorite games of all time, and I have a few, it's the pull distance on mobs is too short.

[timber prism]

D4, POE2, Grim Dawn

all focus on not clearing crazy amounts of mobs

[tepid wadi]

POE2's boss fights are where the game shines the most, IMO

[vague galleon]

grim dawn has crazy amounts of mobs at times, it's quite good for combat.

does GD even have bosses?

[timber prism]

the combat is good but its definitely not crazy amounts of mobs thrown at you

its definitely not paced for you to zoom through the map clearing 100's of mobs

[vague galleon]

i really should get back to it but i bored myself into a corner picking soldier.

also, Sacred Gold is a nice chill ARPG but i kept falling off it. 🙁

[timber prism]

I did enjoy the bosses there. I also think that D4 has some really fun boss moments especially when playing hardcore

D4 actually has my favorite moment in recent history for arpgs when we were all beta testing it and the very first time a world boss appeared... and we all attempted it.. I was the only person to survive and run away cuz it was one shotting everybody

and then i came back the very next time it appeared and killed it with another group XD

perma dying to stuff like that is a great feeling

[tranquil cove]

can we ban this channel

you guys made me buy another game

[vague galleon]

good

[tranquil cove]

anyway titan quest 2 is pretty cheap, 23$

so i figured at that price the value is good

[misty arch]

https://youtu.be/2YzPPceRfyc?si=Z8U59tIMJ7ng2-Y_

[tepid wadi]

We're just... giving up on new ideas, eh?

[peak marsh]

RIP Keen, no Sacred 3 remaster xD

[peak marsh]

I thought we did that by 2019

[vague galleon]

i only liked Sacred 1

i recall sacred 3 being quite poorly recieved. didnt look good to me either.

do you nerds think they improved the loot system in TQ2?

[peak marsh]

Yeah it was made by Keen back in the day. Don't know any of the story myself (nor could I find it) but it was from what I can see, the last game Keen worked on as an outsource studio. Came out two years before Portal Knights, which of course was their last game before Enshrouded. Since it was an outsource project and one from a major publisher (THQ Nordic) I can only assume deadlines and budgets were the main issue

[vague galleon]

ya, it's kind of funny how I look at one of their previous games with disdain and now their current one is an all time favorite.

[peak marsh]

That alone tells a lot of the story to me. Seeing what they did with Portal Knights and now Enshrouded, clearly it's not their skill as developers and seeing as they worked as an outsource studio, it's pretty easy to put in the missing pieces and figure out why their previous releases weren't as quality

I'm guessing they were given a 3 year project, told to finish it in a year and a half. and seeing as it came from a AAA they probably also had some random change or demand added mid-development

[vague galleon]

ya totally

[tranquil cove]

ive been playing titan quest 2

its good, its worth the 24$ imo

good story, good graphics, new skill setup, more complex system

magic items dont seem that bad to come across

the only thing is likely its low content atm, but it will probably get more as time goes on, still that guys video says its over 20 hours, and that will just be 1 playthrough, if you want to try different classes you might playthrough a few times

[peak marsh]

Yeah it's still early access, there will be more down the road

The class system is interesting to me, the way you can blend two archtypes to create different classes

Though the way it's structured as I understand it (for now anyway), the main selection is just rogue + ___ so you can take all the crit and damage passives. Of course that's just from watching reviews, not putting it into practice

[tranquil cove]

that was always in titan quest

the class system

[peak marsh]

Never played it back in the day

[tranquil cove]

but they way they did putting points into skills and then choosing certain unlocks or abilities within those skills, is more detailed

[peak marsh]

Well, I guess 2016 isn't really "back in the day", though it's a decade ago so it kinda is xD

[vague galleon]

grim dawn is so similiar i thought it was made by the same company but they must have just paid to use the same engine or something.

well TQ dropped in 2006 and the anniversary edition dropped in 2016

[peak marsh]

I thought I remembered it being older. Google points to the anneversery edition then

Either way the first one passed me by in both cases

[timber prism]

so old

:d

[tepid wadi]

Grim Dawn feels super old to me, something about the impact of abilities just doesnt quite get there any more.

[peak marsh]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=URMjhzt0skU

TL;DW: Why have figuritive gambling in video games when you can bring in actual gambling through betting partnerships for e-sport tournaments etc?

[vague galleon]

yikes

[tepid wadi]

Yeah... thats pretty crappy.

[timber prism]

Titan Quest 2 has been okay so far. Just finished the tutorial boss and made it to the new area. Its very similar to old TQ. Low density mobs and enemies do decent damage so it feels good to actually dodge attacks instead of healing through it. Hardcore feels pretty fair so far. I almost died at one point but it was all stuff I could have dodged with better timing.

[tepid wadi]

The only thing I found that doesnt feel super fair is poison

[timber prism]

I like how it has much better indicators of knowing when your health pots are going to refill. Magic items are pretty easy to find in this game. I wasn't even level 5 and had full blue and yellow items

[tepid wadi]

Some of the mobs do crazy poison damage

TQ2 doesnt feel auper groundbreaking, but its solid it feels.

[timber prism]

just timing barrier and dodging makes any damage manageable so far

i agree with that

i feel like we have been playing arpgs so long that its really hard to break out of that mold

just looking over all the trees... a lot of it is recycled abilities from other games

its interesting the last three arpgs I have played all have slowed down fighting compared to old arpgs

im curious to see if it changes like late game POE2

bc first character / early POE2 feels completely different than endgame haha

[tepid wadi]

Yeah, I dont think we get any actual late game stuff right now, max level is like 20, so theres probably a WHILE until any of that comes in.

[tranquil cove]

yeah the heal pot system is good, charge based, refill on kill, you dont need to carry 500 hp and 500 mana pots anymore.

you can also buy the next stash tab for 2500 gold

and i got the impression its infinite? or a lot more than 5 tabs, compared to the first game.

i also like the core abilities, dash and barrier

and the fact that you can upgrade them in different ways for your build, and for barrier can add healing to the barrier, or add healing 100% of damage taken 2 seconds go.. or make barrier give you rage stacks etc.

i am not regretting this purchase

[peak marsh]

That was one of the better innovations PoE made, potions that refill on kills rather than being inventory items you need to constantly manage

[tepid wadi]

Yeah, barrier seems super strong if you use it right.

The core abilities are a neat idea

[tranquil cove]

good cinematic scenes

amazing graphics too

i already look cool

like who looks cool? so cool? me.

and i already have yellow rare items

ah so yeah price goes up, and also 9 tabs

better than the first game on storage.

[vague galleon]

refill on kills?

i forget how exactly tl3's potjons worked. but they were awful.

i never minded just being able to buy a pile of health potions. tl2 did it just fine.

[tranquil cove]

its fine it refills pretty fast that you barely notice it except in a boss battle, and the point is less reliance on health pots, if you're using dash and barrier properly, you dont need 500 health potion spam.

the first game was dumb

in this regard

i remember often standing still and just spamming my pots to kill a crowd of enemy, now movement is more practical and viable, and timing.

in the first game you couldn't really run away easily once you engaged

so the stand still and spam pots was the best strategy

you could maybe kite the centaur mini boss or something

[tranquil cove]

and sorry its my mistake, its not on kill, i think its damage based

because your pot charges refill in boss battles?

maybe someone can look up how it actually works

the game also has a day and night cycle.

and here are the shrines

ahh the potions explain a little

but it doesn't say how much damage.

i guess any damage = 1 charge, and you need 10 for a use.

the mana pot can be used after 15 seconds

the health pot after damaging 10 times

i wonder if different health pots have different conditions

[peak marsh]

At very least it looks like a very PoE system of suffixes, so I assume anything in white at least is a variable. Also from the looks it seems you have the option of refilling based on damage or refilling over time

[tranquil cove]

seems like the health pot heal amount levels up with you

so if you find better heal pots it has to do with the green writing

i also like that this game has day and night cycle as well as a map you can click on to travel to town, vs the old clicking portal icons next to names

now i can see what is actually near the portals im teleporting too, so i know if a vendor is there.

[severe jetty]

Which game is this?

[tranquil cove]

titan quest 2

early access i think, just released

[tepid wadi]

Yeah. Early access, dropped yesterday

[severe jetty]

It looks cool

Arpg?

[tepid wadi]

Yep

[vague galleon]

suffer with me.

[peak marsh]

I would but your list doesn't have anything predating NES 😛

Also it seems like they're going with the NES graphic but the Famicom release date, which is cheating

The NES didn't launch "technically" in select markets until 1985, with the "real" nationwide release happening in 1986

And by select markets I mean like, if you lived in New York or LA maybe you could find one

So they're obviously going by the 1983 Famicom launch

[tepid wadi]

Why arent they in order?

[peak marsh]

That bothered me too xD

Like, they don't seem to be in any kind of order

Chronological, alphabetical, by company, it's pure chaos

Dogs and cats living together, mass hysteria

[tepid wadi]

That makes me suffer more than the age, tbh

[peak marsh]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-9NMt42il4Q&pp=0gcJCfwAo7VqN5tD

[vague galleon]

there arent any gaming console pre NES, unless you mean ancient bricks with flashing lights and no graphics from the time before last thursday.

[peak marsh]

Atari and Colecovision were things that existed xD

[tepid wadi]

I was gonna say, did we forget about atari?

[timber prism]

Atari was awesome

[vague galleon]

you guys must be really old, what were the dinosaurs like?

[tepid wadi]

Honestly? Pretty chill.

[misty arch]

https://i.pinimg.com/originals/15/62/18/15621873a26f830896e68010c29c364d.gif

[vague galleon]

NOT THE MOMMA NOT THE MOMMA

[peak marsh]

That show was alright until it became the "I'M DA BABY" show

[vague galleon]

ah, like when family matters became the steve urkel show.

[peak marsh]

Poor Judy Winslow. She went up the stairs in season 2 and was never seen nor heard from again

[vague galleon]

i was watching it on ABC.com but didnt finish it, just like I didnt finish bill nye.
adhd sucks.

[misty arch]

https://youtu.be/3MH-BqXk2WA?si=QuKgCJPCiesxBQRU

[timber prism]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dfG8XdOwPK8

[peak marsh]

Update on Untitled Virtua Fighter Game™?

[timber prism]

Yeah.. EVO is happening right now so there are a bunch of reveals

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7sacvUzDV_Q

also this.. I wish it was Jam tho

[timber prism]

https://www.twitch.tv/evo?sr=a

[tepid wadi]

Okay, finished the TQ2 early access, I probably didn't do all the stuff, I'm sure I'm missing things here or there. Overall pretty pleased with it, it's a good start. They just need a ton more content and more class options and the like.

Pros:
-Good character customization
-Decent feeling combat
-Lore/Story is engaging, good cinematics etc (I like the greek theme)
-Visuals are excellent, game is beautiful

Cons:
-Doesn't really feel like a strong evolution of the classes beyond Grim Dawn
-Some REALLY spiky damage for melee characters
-Really short right now, took me 6ish hours to complete
-Combat doesn't feel quite as good as POE2 for the "slow but meaningful" style

I'll probably play through it again and try out a different class combo, which is a mark of solid potential. I was Earth + Warfare and it felt pretty good

[timber prism]

What weapon did you use?

I'm doing dual wield warfare lightning and it feels pretty comfy on hardcore

My friend did an ice range build and it was way too easy

He's like off screen killing mobs

[peak marsh]

The more I think about it the more it sounds like they're using EA as an excuse to rush the release and partially fund development. I'd think differently if it wasn't being published by THQ Nordic

[vague galleon]

grim dawn and titan quest 2 are made by different companies right?

i know tq1 is.

[tranquil cove]

im doing storm and earth as elementalist.

it probably is short, but im not done yet lol

the original game had egyptian and chinese mythology, which i liked

maybe norse? i forget

but would be neat if TQ2 could incorporate other mythologies

i do want to try warfare, rogue separately and combined with something else

[tepid wadi]

I didn't use weapons, I used Earthquake and passive skills and that's pretty much it.

[tepid wadi]

Yes, but their class system is based off the same stuff.

[tepid wadi]

If I recall correctly, the core game was Greek, but then expansions delved into other mythologies. I love mythology as a setting, so I'm happy to see any/all of them.

[vague galleon]

ya same engine.

[tepid wadi]

IDK if it's the same engine, that's usually more technical stuff. The class system would be pretty straightforward to implement in any engine. The idea of choosing 2 classes and putting points into them in this way is the core concept.

They've changed it up a bit compared to Grim Dawn of TQ1, but the core of it is still there

[timber prism]

Ah kk. Im just using basic strike and just infusing them with elements and buffs like attack damage + attack speed using attack speed 1h'ers for maximum speedy hits

[tepid wadi]

Very nice. I went with Earthquake and points into Barrier, so I'd basically gather up all the nearby enemies, pop barrier to keep me alive while they beat on me, channel Earthquake and watch them explode.

[timber prism]

My friend is doing whirlwind

And is one shotting everything lmao

[tepid wadi]

I didn't REALLY need the warfare tree at all, mostly just used it for passives.

Probably would've been better off with Storm or Rogue for some movement stuff, base movement feels SO slow

[timber prism]

Im curious if its because its so early

But if damage ramps up we will def see issues of just one hit KOing bosses

[tepid wadi]

Yeah I'm sure there will be balancing. I actually feel like the numbers you get don't feel impactful. Putting passive points into a thing for 8% bonus damage just feels meh

[tranquil cove]

interesting

im using ice shards, electrical strike from sky, and magma ball mostly

and i spam all 3

while having 2 Auras up and barrier

i havent invested in the other magic attacks yet

i dont know if i have a good build or anything, but its fun

i move around a lot with dash and recast barrier at least 10 times during a boss battle

but so far i can kill all the bosses

i just used discord to copy all the images, so i can put them together, thats why i pasted it individually at first

show me your guys stuff? keep in mind im level 16 atm

i guess the game doesn't show DPS?

[tepid wadi]

It shows it on the skill tooltips

[tranquil cove]

oh well then my highest damage skill atm is 300, and my highest dps skill is 250

[tranquil cove]

im using roiling magma, and i have 104 ailment on that lol

10% crit chance

it must be a good game that even with my weaker build i find the game easy

i dont think it's because the game is easy

[tepid wadi]

That's not always a good thing, but build variety seems pretty strong

[tranquil cove]

i think its because my build has strengths in other areas maybe

[tepid wadi]

Yeah, possibly

My build is crazy tanky if I'm playing it correctly

[tranquil cove]

you dont have a cooldown for earthquake?

[tepid wadi]

Nope, just gotta channel it over and over, release at 3 stages

The damage number isn't accurate because it doesn't account for the Overwhelm stacks OR the aftershocks

[tranquil cove]

so would your dps be? 1500?

[tepid wadi]

🤷‍♀️

[tranquil cove]

i stayed away from rage or overwhelm, as i am new to these mechanics

[tepid wadi]

I also have Doom Horn from warfare that reduces resists from enemies, so that would raise it even more

[tranquil cove]

i dont really understand them

plus i can respec at any time

[tepid wadi]

They're pretty simple:

Overwhelm: Abilities build or spend Overwhelm, it can have 3 stacks. Earthquake is different where it builds stacks and gets bonus damage per stack.

Rage: 1% attack speed and attack damage per rage. The stacks decay one stack at a time. Some passives allow "Spell rage" which gives you cast speed and spell damage.

[tranquil cove]

i dont understand how i get stacks

from kills?

[tepid wadi]

Depends, some skills will give rage when you hit an enemy, you can get a passive that gives you rage stacks on kill, etc

[tranquil cove]

its just based on the descriptions, i cant tell if these will be good

and something that tells me i will be getting 20% spell damage or 20% armor always seems better

because its definitive.

[tepid wadi]

Sort of. ARPG math is super complex. I'm pretty sure rage is "More" damage, which is a multiplier on top of your other damage types

So it's more valuable

But there's a lot missing from descriptions for me to be sure

[tranquil cove]

i feel like i need to understand how to build a rage build to use the rage stuff

and thats too complex for me

lol

[tepid wadi]

Yeah, it'll be super build dependent, not something you just slap onto any build.

[tranquil cove]

<@&1059853133188169910> ?

[tranquil cove]

are the stash tabs in TQ2 able to transfer items to other characters like in the first game? There was a tab for sharing items with other characters. That's what will really make TQ2 multiple playthroughs meaningful imo.

[tepid wadi]

IDK I never felt a need to stash items. I just sold everything I wasn't using

[tranquil cove]

purples?

you sold purples

lol

in the first game you had character stash, and also a transfer stash tab, so that purple sword your mage couldnt use? you could transfer to a warrior character. or if 1 character found 3 pieces of a set of armor, you could transfer those 3 pieces, to the other character who has the remaining 2 pieces.

[tepid wadi]

Yeah, I didn't feel especially attached to them.

I knew the current content was a bit short, so I wasn't gonna get super invested

[tranquil cove]

lol

i might sell the yellows, keeping purple

i hope this game has armor sets

[timber prism]

Ty lmao

I was about to respond to you Zerax and got spammed lmaooo

[tepid wadi]

They're out in force this morning.

[tranquil cove]

yeah must be one of those days

[peak marsh]

It's Monday for the spam bots too

[timber prism]

I feel you on this. I think im gonna put the game aside until a big content update. I dont have enough motivation to go deep to figure out what modifier lands where in the damage equation

[tepid wadi]

Yeah, I enjoyed my 6ish hours with it, but don't have a lot of drive to play a ton more right now.

[timber prism]

Been playing any other games?

I need to finish death stranding 2 before metal gear drops... but all my free time is pretty much going to grounded 2 atm

[tepid wadi]

The King is Watching and He is Coming, both great indie games that came out recently

Then a bunch of Deadlock with my buddies

Kind of a slow release couple months, for me. I picked up Witchfire, but haven't launched it yet

[timber prism]

Witch fire looks neat

I remember being super impressed with the graphics when I saw a trailer

[tepid wadi]

Yeah they just had a big update and it looked good enough and with enough content to make the purchase

I'm generally very interested in indie games of that tier for my own purposes, too 😝

[peak marsh]

coughSoulframecough

[tepid wadi]

It's on the list 😝

[timber prism]

Lmao

I keep forgetting about soulframe

[tepid wadi]

It's easy to pass over when it's not in the steam list

[vague galleon]

diablo 2 had the best gems.

[peak marsh]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iU5k7wP6dJk&pp=0gcJCa0JAYcqIYzv

[misty arch]

and on PC
https://youtu.be/KZ1ZxEH7pyY?si=1OLRjmIzcuB0J0_Y

[severe jetty]

Hello guys i had a question im making my first good gaming setup i need help

First time building a gaming setup with a 160x80 IKEA Utmaning desk — what should I get next

Hey guys,

This is my very first gaming setup and I’m starting from scratch. I have a desk and some gear so far:
• ASUS Predator Helios laptop
• IKEA Utmaning desk (160x80 cm)
• Shinobi keyboard and mouse mat
• Logitech mouse
• PS5
• Nintendo Switch
I am now getting the Xiaomi Mi Monitor Light Bar
I also still need a good chair.

I’m looking for advice on what to get next to build a solid, comfy, and fun setup( black and white preferd) . I’m thinking about a good monitor and a monitor stand, but I also really want cool lighting — not just a boring old lamp. Maybe RGB lights or something that fits a gaming vibe.

What are the must-have accessories or upgrades you’d recommend? Headphones, cable management, desk organization I’m open to all tips!

Budget is flexible but I don’t want to go overboard.

Thanks!

Sorry if its in the wrong channel but i dont know where else to post it haha

[timber prism]

@severe jetty I def recommend a super comfy chair if you game or work a decent amount per day

Definitely buy an office chair vs a gaming chair

I use a Steelcase Leap V2. You can try and find a refurbished one to save some cash but look up who is refurbishing it to make sure its a reputable company

[peak marsh]

Yeah gamer chars are just the same thing as higher end office chairs but with a higher price tag

[timber prism]

Most cases they are way worse lmao

Especially the "racing" chair design ones

[vague galleon]

i regret buying those when my old chair crspped out.
now its really annoying sitting down in my car

but i dont have hundreds for another chair.

[severe jetty]

Hey im looking in between

Comfy but has a gaming ish look i found one but had annoying arm stands

Couldnt move my arms

Also i really need monitor help

I wanna run hardcore story mode games and souls like in the future on good graphics and wanna foucus on it looking good

[timber prism]

Im club 1440p with high refresh rates vs 4k

I have a LG Ultrawide and really enjoy the colors on it

[peak marsh]

Yeah, big thing is is look at something that goes to at least 144hz and if possible, that also supports variable refresh rate

Refresh rate basically refers to how many frames it can display, and things will look a lot smoother and more crisp on higher refresh rates

A nice high refresh OLED will have a bigger visual impact than something that goes to 4k, and the thing with 4k is a lot of games still don't even really utilize it. Everything you play will look better on a high refresh rate and especially so on an OLED

[stray coral]

So what monitor would you suggest ?

[peak marsh]

Nothing specific, just that: a nice high refresh OLED that fits the size and budget you need, optionally that supports variable refresh rate

If you use those as your criteria it's pretty easy to narrow it down to a handful of choices

Just stick to "known" brands, don't go super cheap and get some random Chinese knock-off brand that's going to fail in a year and a half and have 0 customer service

[stray coral]

Samsung - 34” Odyssey G5 1000R Curved 1ms 165Hz QHD FreeSync Prem Gaming Monitor - Black ?

Good Bad?

[peak marsh]

It's not bad, but it's LCD. Personally I'd say go OLED instead. Otherwise specs seem fine

https://www.amazon.com/SAMSUNG-34-Inch-Ultra-Wide-FreeSync-LC34G55TWWNXZA/dp/B08MVBYWGQ?th=1

Assuming that's the one we're talking about ^

[stray coral]

Love how you type a search up and you get something else lol

[peak marsh]

OLED is going to give you more vibrant colors, true blacks, and generally look better

[peak marsh]

Yeah gotta love those algorithms xD

[stray coral]

So looking at around a grand to buy one, right?

I need to start packing my lunch for work more often 🙂

[tepid wadi]

Steelseries Arctis Pro wireless with the battery. It's so nice having a wireless headset where you just swap the battery when it's low so you have like 15 seconds of downtime and never have to worry about charging, etc.

[peak marsh]

Not necessarily, at sticker price yeah but for a monitor if you're budget minded you really want to wishlist 2 or 3 you're interested in and watch for sales. Especially holiday sales (Memorial day, Labor day, 4th of July, etc etc). In particular Labor Day is coming up and that's significant because that's right around when retailers start cheaping out their stock, getting rid of the 2025 stuff to make room for the shiny new 2026 stuff ahead of the holidays

While Memorial Day is when they do the same thing on the other side of the holiday season to offload some of the excess stock they were left with afterward

Those two especially tend to see the deep cuts

[stray coral]

Thanks

Slowing improving system/setup

[severe jetty]

Do u have any to reccomend im kinda a noob idk all the terms

Im looking like keep it 250 it does not have to be mega but def not small

[peak marsh]

Again nothing specific, but the main things to look for is OLED (not LED/LCD) and on refresh rate you want it to be at least 144hz. That's all you really need to look for

If OLED is out of your price range you can get a nice LED and it will be fine, refresh rate is the main thing, but if you want the best possible OLED is the way

[severe jetty]

Oled is a must for me

[peak marsh]

Also like I was just saying, if you're going to buy soon do it at the end of this month, when the Labor Day sales start on Amazon

[severe jetty]

My grandma wanted to help me with buying it even tho i can buy it alone lol

[severe jetty]

I shall check it out

Im dutch so amazon is not always that easy but should work

[peak marsh]

Labor Day can save you a couple hundred bucks. Doesn't have to specifically be Amazon but a lot of suppliers and retailers are going to be doing significant sales around that time

[severe jetty]

Labor day is when? Sorry not american

[hollow barn]

Might not count for European shops tho

[peak marsh]

Sept 1, around the end of this month

[severe jetty]

Ahh okay

[severe jetty]

It never will

Have to buy american

Then

I bought a light lamp i shall send a picture

[peak marsh]

It's an American holiday but again, it's when a lot of retailers are offloading their 2025 stock to make room for the new stuff ahead of the holidays. Online retailers should still be part of it

[hollow barn]

And that adds a lot of import costs

[severe jetty]

Got this one found a cheaper one tho

[severe jetty]

Amazon is not much

[hollow barn]

Can't use amazon here so no idea

[severe jetty]

Ahh okay

Do yall have other must haves?

Like accesories

[tepid wadi]

The headset I posted: https://www.amazon.com/SteelSeries-Arctis-Wireless-Multi-System-Headset/dp/B09ZWCYQTX

[peak marsh]

A good wireless controller, like the 8bitdo ultimate. Even if you primarily play KB/Mouse some games just feel significantly better with a controller

https://www.amazon.com/Ultimate-Wireless-Controller-Joysticks-Switchable-Smartphone/dp/B0DR8V899R/

[severe jetty]

Controller as in a playstation onr

One

I have that

[severe jetty]

Thanks

[tepid wadi]

Protip: For amazon links, you can delete everything after the /dp/XXXXXXX/, that's all search/tracking data

[hollow barn]

That works might just sometimes give you button issues since they aren't really made for PC usage

[peak marsh]

Yeah, not 100% of games support Dual Sense is the only thing

[severe jetty]

Ahh okay

[peak marsh]

The one I posted is nice because it's natively supported with xinput and it has a wireless charging dock, so it's super pick up and play

[severe jetty]

If my ps controller lacks ill go for it

[peak marsh]

And it's only $60 normally, less on sale

[severe jetty]

First test it out

[peak marsh]

That's the best option, if you have something already that you're comfortable with and works

[severe jetty]

Yeah i played my fair share of playstation as a kid

I got the newer ps5 now

Use it less

[hollow barn]

Steam input probably takes care of the non nativ compatibility in certain games, tho I never used it myself

[peak marsh]

If not, the 8bitdo there is silly for how good it is for the price. Wireless dock, TMR stiicks, programmable paddles and bumpers, like it's almost silly for $60 xD

[severe jetty]

I wanted to put white led lights behind my tv and under my desk

Going for a black and white setup

And this lamp

That should be enough lightning?

[peak marsh]

Hard for us to say, that's a really subjective question xD

I mean, an LED light bar shouldn't be lacking

[severe jetty]

Oh yeah if not ill get another thing

[tranquil cove]

a chair is important but it's not so important that you absolutely need the best chair or a 10/10 on ergonomics or anything. as long as you have a healthy lifestyle already you could get by sitting on a box for a couple of hours. it just wont be comfortable.

plus what you can afford will limit your options anyway, you wont be getting the best chair if you can't afford $1500 dollar chair.

[severe jetty]

I cannot yet hahah

Looking 200 dollars

Max budget so looking for a sale

[tranquil cove]

pretty sure most chairs are made in china also, maybe some swiss chairs out there

[peak marsh]

My suggestion would be to shop around. Check out your local office supply, your local Ikea, etc and get a feel for what you want out of one and what the price ranges are, then compare vs online

[tranquil cove]

its better to buy chair in person too

so you can sit in it, and feel it

play with the settings

then at least when you look online you have a few experiences of chairs you tried to compare it with

[severe jetty]

I tried it none matched

Im out of stores lol

I liked comfy and tall

[obtuse scroll]

Have you tried Costco. They tend to have a few 'gaming' chairs that might fit budget.

[timber prism]

Look for a refurbished like I said. You can find Herman Miller and steelcase that usually go for $1500 for like $300

[severe jetty]

Not american

[timber prism]

The material just won't be original which is fine. You can find really breathable options that aren't luxury

[obtuse scroll]

Well, yeah, that's a problem (although Costco isn't just American)

[severe jetty]

Not really looking for a herman miller one with more cushioun

[severe jetty]

Ahh okay not here anyways

[timber prism]

Gotcha. I just know ergonomic office chairs are way more comfy than any gamer chair lmao

Those things aren't built well at all

[severe jetty]

Oops cant swear

[obtuse scroll]

Some gamer chairs are pretty good, but I wouldn't call them cushiony. My husband has had his Secret Labs one for a few years now and it's been great for him.

[timber prism]

Like those Secretlab ones are pure junk

[severe jetty]

Yeah haha i was trying it hated gaming chairs bad for my back

Good quality

Is okay i prefer one with a lot of coushioun

[obtuse scroll]

LOL Secret labs are different for everyone I see. My coworker loves his too

[timber prism]

My friends have gone through a few of them

I house sat for a friend and used his for like 3 weeks and hated it

Mind you.. I use that style of seat in my car. I own a couple Brides and those are built well

[severe jetty]

One i liked only the handles didnt work was

[obtuse scroll]

How could those armrests be comfy for anyone??? O.o

[severe jetty]

Yes lmao

The chair was so good tho

😭

[timber prism]

Xd

That arm is nightmare fuel

[obtuse scroll]

Did you need armrests? If you liked the chair so much, maybe you could have removed them and used it without....

[severe jetty]

I like it

I need ones yes

[vague galleon]

sometimes the arms are the structure

i meed a good armless one

its a crime that mre chairss ont have folding ams

[severe jetty]

Yeah

[obtuse scroll]

It just seems like there are screws just holding it to the chair and maybe it could be removed

[tepid wadi]

Can I interest you in the ULTIMATE gaming chair?

[severe jetty]

Is it below 200 dollars

If so ill get it

If it includes the screens

😂

[tepid wadi]

It's only about... 50x that much!

[tepid wadi]

haha

[peak marsh]

I almost forgot about that monstrosity xD

[severe jetty]

Doesnt even look good lol

[tepid wadi]

It definitely doesn't look $10000 good

[timber prism]

Yeah. That is actually crazy lmao

[short sail]

Would only take that chair if I was about to take over the world and even then... One themed like that fits more for my GF because her celestial alignment is that.

[reef bobcat]

what other game resembles / comes close to ENSHROUDED (survival, foraging, crafting, building, questing, free exploring, open world)... ive played the** "LOTR return to moria"** and it was pretty good (and every Elder Scrolls episode)

[severe jetty]

Try valheim

[maiden spire]

Valheim is awful… don’t hurt yourself like that…

[peak marsh]

Miles away from awful

It won all those awards for a reason

[stray coral]

I really enjoyed Valhiem

[peak marsh]

It's a fantastic game. People might get upset about the update frequency but that doesn't take away from what they managed to put together as a stand alone experience

[stray coral]

LOVE LOVE the ocean!

Stopped when I found Enshrouded 🙂

[untold lynx]

1800 hours damn

bro lived there

[stray coral]

lot of building /farming/cooking/fishing not to mention just killing.

[tepid wadi]

The sailing music in Valheim is peak

[finite saffron]

Valheim is a vibe in general, was definitely my favorite part of that game. The unique artstyle they achieved with such a small team is pretty cool

[peak marsh]

Yeah, the pesudo-PS1 style definitely gives it a look that is very much it's own

[tepid wadi]

It's really interesting how once you get playing you barely "notice" the low-res textures, it just kinda blends into the game

[peak marsh]

It's a generation of games you don't really see much homage to but they did really well blending it with modern trappings like realistic water and modern lighting

Like, I've seen homages to that generation of games but none that blend the two quite as well

[vague galleon]

theres too much ps1 and older nostalgia. not enough ps2 nostalgia

[tepid wadi]

Yeah, I think Valheim feels especially good because their loop of "Explore > Get new resources > beat boss > repeat" is very strong. It gets formulaic after a few playthroughs, but it makes for a nice easy to understand progression curve

[vague galleon]

like most 2d imdie gsmes go for nes instead snes
and most boomer shooters go for duke nukem instead of quake

[timber prism]

The first playthrough of Valheim was very good

[vague galleon]

i couldnt solo the deer, needed a friends help who didnt keep playing with me so i dropped it.

[timber prism]

O.o

[vague galleon]

but ya the graphics do be a nice aesthetic.

[timber prism]

You should try it again

[vague galleon]

not solo. no thanks.

theres this other small indie game i like more anyway.

encapsulated or something

something with an e.

[timber prism]

I think that is one thing valheim needs is accessibility

Cuz the playthrough is definitely worth it. Like difficulty scaling even for vanilla runs

[vague galleon]

one of two main reasons i dont play souls game.
i am trash at their combat.

i dont mind how the trees in valheim try to kill you though. i find that funny.

[tepid wadi]

Yeah, one of my buddies died to a tree early on and now we never let him forget it

[timber prism]

The beauty of souls games is that you can make them as easy or as hard as you want by how much you level

And yeah. Tree pvp is the best

We would always try to kill eachother when farming

[tepid wadi]

Valheim's difficulty is interesting, if you take your time and fully progress each zone, it's pretty easy (until Ashlands), but if you rush and don't fully upgrade your gear it can be much harder. Very similar to souls games

[vague galleon]

i dont believe either of you.

[finite saffron]

Honestly for me it was just the grind. Grinding resources for hours, just to craft the weapons you need to kill a boss and advance to the next material, only to do the same thing all over again. After a few loops of that it got old and my friends and I stopped playing

This was around when the game first released, though, that aspect might have gotten better by now it has been a long time since I played Valheim

[tepid wadi]

The main frustrating thing about Valheim to me is their netcode. Playing with someone who has a mediocre connection is an absolute nightmare.

[timber prism]

Don't believe me about what? Xd

[vague galleon]

i like finding cool weapons in chests in enshrouded but the rng is kind of awful.

[timber prism]

Souls game difficulty being directly tied to levels?

[vague galleon]

ive seen the final bosses.

dont tell me i can just grind to 99 and cakewalk them.

[timber prism]

You literally can

You can just grind out levels and end up killing bosses in a few hits

[vague galleon]

even still. games are way too grim dark for me to waste my time on them.
im depressed enouhh.

plus all the surprise attack stuff.

[peak marsh]

Yeah, the game is punishing even by survival standards, especially so if you try to rush

But also it's really rewarding if you take your time with it and build yourself up. It's a game that you're meant to spend time with

The thing that got me about it is the base raids. They're exciting at first, but after a while it's obnoxious because you're just trying to smelt this ore or cook this food and you have to drop everything and handle business. It's why I usually build my main base on a small patch of mountain, the game doesn't know how to categorize it so you don't get raids because it can't figure out where exactly you are

[timber prism]

Yeah. This is also one of my main gripes with progression in a lot of survival games not just valheim

[peak marsh]

Some games do base raids well, in Valheim's case they just become tiresome

[timber prism]

Im usually willing to suffer through it for one full playthrough

[peak marsh]

It's something that struck me even at launch when it still had that "new game smell". Valheim really needs an item you can place in your base, maybe around the plains or so, that hides you from the gods or something and shuts off the raids

[tepid wadi]

Yeah, their base raids are pretty meh. They don't bother me too much usually because they're easy to deal with but they're just a minor annoyance.

The only one that is kind of obnoxious is the trolls because they'll blow up your base if you aren't careful

[peak marsh]

I mean, that's the issue. They aren't dangerous enough to be exciting, but they're frequent enough to distract you from whatever you're actually trying to do

[tepid wadi]

Yeah, at least they don't happen when you're not there, though

[peak marsh]

True, but even with that you're mostly only going to base for a purpose. You need to make food/mead/potions/farm/craft/etc

So every time a raid happens, the game is interrupting that and delaying the process of what are essentially chores anyhow

[tepid wadi]

Yeah, my recent hot take is that survival game are basically extraction games but better

[peak marsh]

Not saying it shouldn't have them at all, but I feel like by the plains or so you should get some kind of counter measure for it

[tepid wadi]

Either have a countermeasure or have it be a more core aspect of the experience, make it predictable and challenging so you aren't surprised when an attack happens

[peak marsh]

Extraction without the PVP xD

[tepid wadi]

Yeah, except for the ones that do have PvP

[peak marsh]

Yeah. Or maybe adopt a Minecraft system with those bat things, where if you don't sleep for too long you get raids

[tepid wadi]

Yeah, but make it so it isn't random when it happens, so you can predict it. I think people's biggest problem with it is that they don't know when a raid will happen

So they can't prepare and are interrupted for what they're doing, etc

[peak marsh]

Yeah. The sleep thing, or maybe you can find some kind of "offering" in each zone you can burn in a campfire to placate the god of that zone

Since it's always the boss of the current area sending the raids

[tepid wadi]

Yeah

[peak marsh]

That way at first you're susceptible to them but you have a way to avoid them by exploring the current zone

[tepid wadi]

Then you can leave the Dark Forest raids on for the whole game so you can have a steady stream of greydwarf eyes

I'm hoping Valheim does a big pass on all the existing zones after they finish the deep north to make them more engaging and interesting.

[timber prism]

First version of valheim we called it a moat lmao till it was patched

[tepid wadi]

You can still do the moat for almost all the raids

[peak marsh]

Yeah, you have to make it steep enough and put some walls on top but aside from Moder afaik it still works

[timber prism]

Oh that's funny. I just remember it having to be really narrow and it would stop trolls from doing anything even though they could clearly just walk over the 1x1 space

My friends and I tried it after a patch or two and they would attack still

[tepid wadi]

You have to make it deep/steep enough that they can't walk up it and it'll break their pathing

I don't do it because they just don't attack your base if you go outside and fight them

And I just hate how it looks

[short sail]

Well, spreading my opinion here, I even feel the base raids are (after 2k+ hrs) still fun.
I just appreciate the shake up in gameplay that's it a sudden "You vs. Army of elder XYZ", doesn't mean I won't have my gripes about it (Could give more time to prepare or run, like a minute or so. Some newly events are terryfying (I look at you invasion of the optional bosses #2 and #3.))
Will never forget my first greydwarf invasion directly after we had beaten Eikthyr and I was tasked to fortify the fort. Had luck we had so much fires around so the smaller ones wouldn't focus on me. Was still hard to survive. About the look of the trench I'd just argue it's how you dig it, because something in this game has me always regret to start terraforming at all.

But in short, it had just a good feeling of "You're Not Welcome and we'll make you regret coming here.", and since you can turn it on/off I feel both sides are satisfied. I see it as a cheap ressource delivery after awhile but I just feel later invasions are just either too hard or too easy.
For example the Fuling Invasion feels well tuned, keeps you on your toes.
But the optional boss #2 one spawns Fenrir with about 2 stars that straight oneshot at that level or progression.

[tepid wadi]

Yeah, the optional bosses are cool content

[vague galleon]

i would love to play valheim on occassion but i need 2+ friends to consider it.

[short sail]

I mean I am always open for it.
But I'd wait for the next update to happen to nose in again, they said there will be an update to the fighting and that's what interests me. (I mean, also the last biome that'll come but I don't know if I should wait until 1.0 at that point.)

[tepid wadi]

Yeah, I'll definitely be doing another playthrough when the next biome comes out in 2027

[vague galleon]

just let me know.

im not chasing anyone down to play it.

[short sail]

I mostly bring my +1 anyway.

[tepid wadi]

My group kinda does the "Play together alone" style of survival group play, where we all spread out and build our own bases, then come together for bosses and stuff.

[short sail]

I feel like that game catched me too hard

[tepid wadi]

Kind of frustrating in Valheim when you have 3 people in the same area and it starts to lag real bad.

But it's fun to share our bases and stuff

[short sail]

I mean, always depends - for up to 3-4 people I feel it's acceptable, moreso lately after they improved on stability

But if you go over 14k instances, prepare for the lag

Thus why we prefer to build smaller huts instead of grand castles

[tepid wadi]

Our experience is that even in an area where there aren't any buildings, things lag terribly. But that's probably partially because one of our guys lives in the boonies and has garbo internet

[short sail]

I don't know much about servers, but wouldn't that help for the connection issue? (Well at least for most but not the player in question?)
Outing me here as inexperienced now in that regard.

[tepid wadi]

Nah, it's worse. Valheim's multiplayer is peer to peer, which means it relies on your internet connections to each other and the server. Whoever is first in an area is the "owner" and everyone has to connect to that person. So when he's the first in a zone, we all lag, or if we're in the zone first, he lags.

It's basically a no-win scenario if you have people with bad internet

[vague galleon]

whats a +1?

[short sail]

Just an additional person.
I usually come in the pair of me + my girlfriend.

[tepid wadi]

Man, I WISH I could get my girlfriend to enjoy survival games 😢

[vague galleon]

girlfriend? whats that?

[short sail]

Well uh...
Mine does, actually more than other activities

[vague galleon]

i dont even have friends let alone a specific type.

[timber prism]

Mine does until she gets frustrated that all I want to do is fish Xd

[tepid wadi]

Lol you'd be good friends with one of my buddies. If there is a fishing minigame, he's in, no matter what game.

[timber prism]

She stopped asking me to play stardew bc she has to do 90% of the work ahahaha

[tepid wadi]

One of the big reasons I want to make a MMO is to have a game that brings stardewers (my gf) and survival gamers (me) and PvPers (some friends) together into one game that is fun for us all.

And no MMO is even trying to do that oddly enough.

[peak marsh]

Yeah, where MMOs are meant to have a broad focus, lately it feels like they're getting more and more narrow, only focusing on one audience or even a subset of one audience

[tepid wadi]

Yeah and if you're going to do that... why bother building a MMO at all. Blah blah infinite money live service junk aside obviously.

[vague galleon]

ruescape had a neat house system

[finite saffron]

Albion Online kinda does, the economy system has so much depth that I know a lot of players in that game who basically solely do crafting/farming/gathering and nothing else

But yeah a lot of modern MMOs are basically just solo questing RPGs that happen to have other players around. I blame world of warcraft

[tepid wadi]

Yeah exactly. Albion and Runescape do a decent job, but like why cant we have that with a 3rd person action combat MMO?

[vague galleon]

i hate that solo stuff.

[tepid wadi]

But also, even games that contain a myriad of playstyles dont blend them meaningfully. How do you encourage a crafter to want to pvp without requiring it? How do you make a hardcore competitive player enjoy just chillimg and farming? The possibility space is MASSIVE, but no one is attempting to evolve the genre to more seamlessly blend concepts.

[vague galleon]

wow has the wooooooorst combat

[vague galleon]

You Dont.

and if they engage its begrudgingly

[finite saffron]

I'd also give Albion some credit in that area as well, the way they push (but don't force) non-pvp players into PVP zones is quite clever. For example the best gathering is found in the full-loot pvp zones, if your guild creates hideouts (personal homes) in those zones, you can get huge bonuses to crafting and farming in those areas, etc.

I can't think of a better way to do it without making it straight up required

[vague galleon]

i hope enshrouded gets better combat one day but im not holding my breath.

[peak marsh]

I feel like the main issue is no one else is even trying. There's no exploring options or attempting to evolve the genre. My theory is MMOs are kind of in the same space as a Hollywood summer blockbuster: they're so big and expensive to produce that studios become extremely risk averse and take safer options as a result. It's why we see other genres evolving by leaps and bounds where MMOs have been largely unchanged aside from graphics for the last 20ish years

[tepid wadi]

Theres something to be said about driving players to pvp activites with bonuses. Like players KNOW they are taking more risks by engaging with it, but since they are making a conscious choice to engage, it doesnt feel so bad to lose stuff.

[finite saffron]

Yeah it's not even really a theory, that's what's happening.

The genre is so ambitious and high budget that nobody within it wants to take risks, because of that they all just make glorified WoW clones that, ironically, end up failing because they don't do anything interesting or new

[tepid wadi]

The weird part is that the indie versions also arent trying. Theres like 3 or 4 projects that are just making Everquest with a modern skin on it.

[finite saffron]

Yeah Albion is really good at this. You risk losing stuff in PVP zones, but you make 10x more silver and experience by being there, so the cost of dying every once in a while is easily offset by the rewards you earn for playing in there, even if you're not a very good player

[peak marsh]

I guess you have Corepunk, but that's basically just PC only Albion as I understand it

[tepid wadi]

Yeah, but you can still make slow and steady progress in safe areas

[tepid wadi]

Its also isometric not 3rd person, unfortunately.

The viewpoint is really important to some people.

[peak marsh]

Yeah, literally PC only Albion. Top down PvPvE grinder

[finite saffron]

Yeah Corepunk is weird to me, cause they've also dropped a lot of the hardcore PVPVE stuff over time, to the point where now PVP isn't even very important from what I've heard

And yeah, it seems odd to take that route in the first place when Albion is already a thing

[vague galleon]

honestly until wow and ff14 die off twres notmuch poit in competing

[tepid wadi]

I disagree, but maybe I just think about things differently.

[vague galleon]

theres so many dead wow killers.

[tepid wadi]

You dont have to kill wow to be a success. You just have to do something unique and well executed to build a following that sustains your idea.

[peak marsh]

The issue was trying to be a "WoW killer" in the first place. MMOs are a genre where people invest a lot of time and energy, and a chosen MMO becomes their second home. So unless you're doing something markedly different or unique, there's really no point because you're already starting at a disadvantage: WoW has decades of content. Your new MMO is only going to hold people for so long before they finish it, get bored waiting for the next content drop, and go back to their home (WoW). You just become a vacation spot for WoW players rather than having a base of your own

And that's not sustainable in a genre where having a steady player base is a requirement

That's why it's all the more frustrating to watch so many new MMOs just copy what WoW, FFXIV, or BDO are doing

[finite saffron]

Yep I agree, every new MMO wants to replace one that already exists. There's so many untapped massively multiplayer ideas out there but the ones that actually get made are just the same kind of games over and over again.

Instead of trying to kill something that's already dominating the market, why not try to carve your own niche?

It's how those games became massive in the first place

[peak marsh]

And how evolution happens

[tepid wadi]

Yeah, thats why for a new MMO to be a success, you kind of have to reevaluate some of the standards across the industry and find new ways to create the interactions that you want to have happen

Or, I guess you can just make Everquest again

[severe jetty]

Did any of yall play arkham orgins?

Does it hold up like the other 3 games

Witcher 4 is also announced right seems very cool

[vague galleon]

TOR wasnt bad, i felt involved in the story, but it was barely better than wow. wish i had given it more time.

definace was fun but already dead by the time i played it

secret world was kinda crap, that real old one about the apoc and the bees

[peak marsh]

Defiance was pretty great. They're doing a remake but it isn't on Steam yet

[vague galleon]

interesting

[misty arch]

https://youtu.be/jnzow2f3Rt4?si=RliHNJ3L59BzIPt-

[vague galleon]

........ what

i couldnt get into any of those. 🙁

[peak marsh]

Hexen was pretty awesome back in the day

I never played much of Heretic but I had the Hexen shareware version for forever, then a friend of mine lent me his retail disc xD

[vague galleon]

i remember we had the free version of wolfenstein

any of those games that i tried was thanks to my brother mostly. but our dad introduced us to wolfenstein and duke nukem the first one.

no. the FIRST one.

remember blakestone?

[peak marsh]

I had that, shareware Doom, shareware Commander Keen, shareware Duke Nukem (the platformer, not 3D), shareware Jazz Jackrabbit, shareware Blake Stone, among others xD

[vague galleon]

eye of the beholder

i remember playing a ton of ||emulated|| games before the actual ones, several of which had PC versions.

COMMANDER KEEN! i was ass at that game

apogee and ID were basically my childhood but I didnt really play a ton of them.

i didnt do a lot of gaming until i got my GBA and later an N64 in highschool

HEXEN II was the 3D one right?

who made that?

OH SNAP IM GETTING THEM FOR FREE apperently.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q0ICpH2ZD8w

[tepid wadi]

I dream of a modern CRPG version of Arcanum 😢

[timber prism]

Heretic and Hexen 1/2 were good times. Was hoping for a remake or new Hexen for years

[timber prism]

Corepunk really feels aimless to me. Having played it while it was still hardcore and now... its still just not fun

At least now you don't have to duo with a healer to have a better experience so that's something

[peak marsh]

Yeah, I heard they vastly improved weapons and healing. The whole "get in 1 fight then sit by a camp fire sucking your thumb for 20 minutes" mechanic sounded not well thought out

[timber prism]

It was the worst lmao

[tepid wadi]

A sandbox with no toys will do a really bad job of drawing and retaining players 😝

[reef bobcat]

yes... sorry ive tried valheim and didnt like the scenary, the interface, the graphics.

[severe jetty]

Most people tend to like it just a preference thingy

[maiden spire]

Valheim bad.

And ugly

[short sail]

I am at times too, so the graphics fit me.

[vague galleon]

people still care about graphics these days?

[short sail]

I will need to practice alot in Mario Paint then

[maiden spire]

i care about graphics when the game looks like dogshit and doesn't have any other redeemable qualities. valheim.

[tepid wadi]

If the gameplay is good and the graphics are better than vanilla minecraft, I'm usually pretty fine. Valheim fits there for me, but it's not for everyone.

[timber prism]

Valheim is so very excellent

I am glad for its success

[tepid wadi]

One big thing I'll credit Valheim with is breaking the trend of "hardcore" survival mechanics: Not having to eat makes the game a lot more chill.

[timber prism]

i really enjoy the physics it has

building is fun when it can come crashing down without supports

the combat is also a lot more fun than most survivals i have played

[tepid wadi]

Yeah, the block/parry mechanic feels pretty good

I've always liked that you can parry arrows. Realistic? Obviously not. Fun and neat? Yeah.

I'm glad they put it back in after they fixed the "bug"

[timber prism]

I will always enjoy when survival games can differentiate themselves from its competitors

valheim has that in spades

same with V Rising

or Terraria

[peak marsh]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oqycWSEper0

[timber prism]

where is the touchpad? :v

[peak marsh]

No touchpad, but it's one of the rare examples of a smaller, d-pad centric controller with modern trappings like TMR sticks, programmable back paddles and a wireless charging dock

[tepid wadi]

What is this a controller for babies?

[peak marsh]

xD Controller for people who like the feel of the classic SNES dogbone

[timber prism]

lmao

i do like the gamecube colors

it also looks like the same size as the switch pro controller

which is also for babies

[peak marsh]

Yeah, or quite literally a cross between the original Playstation and the SNES controller

I personally prefer the size and feel of the Xbox style layout but everybody and their dog makes those, so it's just nice to see a company making alternatives

[tranquil cove]

valheim is a nice game, i made many beautiful builds in it

but i like to joke it's a game made by trolls

since there is about 10+ annoying things that only a troll would do if they were a coder

the lore/setting/graphics (even though not super impressive) are all things i like about valheim too

[tranquil cove]

if i go over some of the troll things

• wolf howling none stop, it almost makes owning wolves not worth it
• wolf AI always blocking doors and trying to go where they aren't supposed to.
• storms are too frequent and basically only have 1 intensity, and happen when you need to see to build something, or when you need vision to find something. its like the game knows when the worst time for a storm is. trying to build supports under water? here have a storm.
• raids happen at the worst moments too.
• food/hunger decays too fast, would like it if there were foods that lasted double the length.

just some of the ones i can remember

[vague galleon]

so my childhood looks like dogshit. thanks.

[tranquil cove]

we can say that there is nothing redeemable about the terraforming in valheim too

takes 2 hours to just make land even

so basically, i try to ignore land entirely wherever possible and mostly build somewhere where i am fine with the landscape.

its weird because the devs have mods that can fix tons of these problems, but never implemented the mods into vanilla game. like who doesn't want qol? better terraforming? better world settings?

the answer is trolls

troll devs.

other frustrating things would be, needing to repower light sources constantly, which i think is mitigated a bit in late game with better fuel or light sources.. and then also having to repair 1 block at a time. the mod to area repair damaged structures helps a ton when a troll wacks your building.

again... what are the devs thinking not incorporating fixes to all these problem? they don't really listen to their community so then they get haters like jrose.

[timber prism]

I mean.... we couldn't tell the difference back then XD

[vague galleon]

graphics are always the least important part of a game.

always have been.

[tranquil cove]

graphics as long as it's not a MUD with drawn x symbols for mountains

then it doesn't matter much to me

[tepid wadi]

Oh, a callback to an earlier conversation we had: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-ECWsEkkkNU

A couple guys making a zomboid-inspired zombie game, where depending on the starting class/skills you choose, the items in your house where you start will change. Very rough and indie, but it uses that concept we chatted about.

[timber prism]

Niiiice. Will have to check this out. thanks!

Also.... why does it assume I have a house.... jk

[peak marsh]

I'd love it more if it was being used for an open world RPG but at least someone out there is having the thought

[vague galleon]

im tired of zombie games

at least enshrouded doesnt have zom..... dangit.

[tepid wadi]

I mean it's KIND OF an open world RPG, but yeah

[tranquil cove]

i like zombie games because they are the ultimate coop, and they are once removed from fighting actual humans, so they meet my threshold for games i'm willing to play that are violent.

meaning i would prefer to not play battlefield 6, GTA, COD, Counterstrike.

but I can play a zombie game, where I shoot zombie NPCS, since it's once removed from being humans

and yeah I don't really enjoy PVP in zombie games, or fighting humans vs humans, as in groups in the game fighting each other. I stay away from zombie games that include that usually. or I will avoid engaging in that content.

Magical PVP is a bit a different, which adds more of a fantasy element to things

I might do magical pvp still

[tepid wadi]

I don't mind zombie games, but I feel like we tend to get too many of them for the exact reasons you mentioned. It's an easy enemy to make and feel no remorse about killing because they're human-like (easy to animate) but not QUITE human.

[vague galleon]

yup

[tepid wadi]

Ahh Spellbreak my beloved. RIP

[tranquil cove]

Yeah, and i mean still a violent game - and being human like + no remorse could be a problem, but it's one I can engage with more. though i have played counterstrike and it's fake enough that it's fine. but i think it's just all just levels of things. when you have violent/gruesome content, it's still having an affect on you as a person, even when you know it's a game and it's fake.

abiotic factor im fighting actual aliens so it's even less of a problem for me - except for the soldiers, but at least the soldiers are NPCs, somehow that helps when it's not multiplayer vs other human soldiers.

[tepid wadi]

Yeah, I mean from a censorship/ratings perspective as well. Non-humans are much easier to sell than humans, as enemies.

[tranquil cove]

having a game with respawns and tiny map like counterstrike, sets up counterstrike as a fiction pretty fast, but the action of hunting/shooting people is still violent. anyway, it's not that i will refuse to play these games, but i tend to gravitate to things that are more removed/fantasy, or altogether peaceful gameplay.

[tepid wadi]

BF6 open beta seems to be pretty popular right now, very fast action fun by the looks of it

[tranquil cove]

yeah everyone is into BF6 now

like 10 of my friends are playing it lol

i finished TQ2

already thinking to start another run

the dev said there will be major content updates every 3 months

and i can't wait for magical armor and weapons, more purples

[timber prism]

Yeah. Started BF6 last night. Its just more BF which always just middle of the road

[peak marsh]

Is it? I keep seeing reviews in my YT feed that make it seem like it's "a return to form that's going to save the BF franchise"

[vague galleon]

rofl

lmao even

thats so cute.

if i had a dollar.

[finite saffron]

I think people feel that way because the last two entries were so far off that this one feels like a breath of fresh air lol

It's probably not as much as an instant classic as like, bf3/4/1 were, but it seems to be shaping up to be a fun shooter and it feels fairly appropriate as an entry to the series

[tranquil cove]

im getting the impression BF6 combined the best of 4 and 5, and is better at the same time, from friends.

but seeing as i was never into that franchise and will never play it, who knows

[vague galleon]

i liked battlefront back in the day but that game has NOT aged well.

[peak marsh]

I got off the Battlefield train at BF2, though BF1942 was always my favorite

[vague galleon]

conquest mode was soooo good.

I hate using WW1 and WW2 guns in shooters

i only like lever actions at the gun range or in fallout.

[timber prism]

Suuuure lmao

[peak marsh]

BF 1942 was so peak though

[timber prism]

The formula really hasn't changed the return to form is mostly just have classes again

They are weighing out how much people hated anything you want loadouts back to classes. Both are avaliable atm

One cool thing I think is moving respawns to assault instead of recon

And sniper headshots being fatal so no respawn

Medic rez*

[peak marsh]

I feel like classes make massive shooters like BF more interesting. If it's just an a la carte situation everyone just follows the same 2 or 3 metas

I mean, it's what made Overwatch so popular. Which was basically ripping from TF2

[timber prism]

Yeah. Everyone i know loves classes

I think its just gonna be really important for the devs to quickly balance stuff like shotguns which they are aware of

[peak marsh]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jMDO2vThtT4 - Speaking of alternative controllers, someone finally made a reasonable controller with an N64 layout and both PC/Switch compatibility

Like, the face buttons are almost a perfect mirror of the A/B and C buttons on a 64 controller

[vague galleon]

whats that blue thing in the background? that shape makes no sense.

please tell me that's some AI nightmare and not an actual controller.

[peak marsh]

Something designed by a maniac with a prejudice against the L button

[vague galleon]

and the d-pad was never used

[peak marsh]

Eh, it's the Nintendo cycle. First we had the NES, then they innovated with the SNES, got wacky with the N64, innovated again with the Gamecube, wacky again with the Wii, innovated with the DS line, said "hold my beer" with the Wii U, innovated again with the Switch

[inland ember]

That looks like a Nintendo 64 controller

[vague galleon]

(I know. Im shit talking it)

[eager flax]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vURHusZPt9Q

[peak marsh]

#self-promo I think

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fKlhCEmlADM -Terminator 2: No Fate looks pretty good. Like the T2 game we really wanted back in the day

[severe jetty]

Did anyone play the mass effect trilogy?

[tepid wadi]

The first two

[misty arch]

yes

[severe jetty]

Did anyone enjoy them?

Oops accidently replied to u

Anyways they look interesting

[peak marsh]

I haven't played myself but as I understand it, the first two are pretty great while the third is kind of a letdown story-wise

Mass Effect 3 being a let down was actually one of the bigger stories of it's day

[tepid wadi]

I loved the first one but didnt love the second one. BUT I'm a bit of a unique case because I dont really care about doing all the companion quests. If you dont do them it feels like a bunch of missions to gather a party and then ONE mission together.

[vague galleon]

i played until the, run around the station talking to people part and got bored.

[tepid wadi]

Yeah and the hour long elevators

[vague galleon]

and the fake running speed.

[severe jetty]

Overall would u guys reccomend to buy the legendary edition

For 6 bucks

[vague galleon]

sure

YES

[tepid wadi]

If you like RPGs, definitely

[vague galleon]

wait, for all 3 or just ME1?

[severe jetty]

Its mainly getting a crew

[severe jetty]

All 3

I think

[vague galleon]

6 bucks for all 3?!

steal.

[severe jetty]

https://store.steampowered.com/app/1328670/Mass_Effect_Legendary_Edition/

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[vague galleon]

dang

[tepid wadi]

For 6 bucks? Totally

[severe jetty]

These are all 3 right

[tepid wadi]

Based on the description, sounds like it.

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ingle-player base content and over 40 DLC from the highly acclaimed Mass Effect, Mass Effect 2, and Mass Effect 3 games,

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It includes all games and dlcs

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while you're at it

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Chatgpt said

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@severe jetty https://store.steampowered.com/app/1237970/Titanfall_2/ buy this.

Steam

Titanfall® 2

Call down your Titan and get ready for an exhilarating first-person shooter experience in Titanfall® 2! The sequel introduces a new single player campaign that explores the bond between Pilot and Titan. Or blast your way through an even more innovative and intense multiplayer experience - featuring 6 new Titans, deadly new Pilot abilities, ex…

Price

$5.99

Recommendations

230659

Metacritic

86

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Good game?

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VERY FREAKING GOOD

AMAZING

[severe jetty]

Is this also space shooter

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one of the best shooters I ever played.

[severe jetty]

I never tried one so i wanted to see if i liked the genre

It looks appealing

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B2 is the best mech I ever piloted......... 😭

[severe jetty]

For the mass effect legendary one i get all games and 42 dlcs for 6 bucks lol

Its mostly like finding companions right

And fighting bad guys in the galaxy

[tepid wadi]

TF2 is less space, but still sci-fi. One of the best shooters of all time imo

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amen

[severe jetty]

Ill check it out to

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multiplayer was so good but when i rolled over my level and felt i was getting worse, when i couldnt keep up, i gave up.

but that storymode.

peak.

B2 is the coolest.

🥲

[severe jetty]

Is it mostly shooting without a story

Or am i wrong

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oooooooooooo there's a story

there's absolutely a story................

[severe jetty]

Good one then?