If thats for cheaper
#other-games
vague galleon
nope, action.
i gave away a ton of copies of TL2, many of which to people I wish I hadnt........-.-
dang, there's only a runic games bundle, no tl1-2 bundle.
stable laurel
i gave away a ton of copies of TL2, many of which to people I wish I hadnt.........
Haha to play with them? Then they dont play
Relatable
vague galleon
ya, and one of them kept lying to me, the other said they'd try it with me and then played 30 minutes drunk and then claimed they counted
both of those guys need their teeth knocked in. but they were the worst offenders.
vague galleon
ive given copies to plenty more who let me down but those two in particular upset me.
stable laurel
ive given copies to plenty more who let me down but those two in particular upse...
Ye i only give to best friends
vague galleon
crosscode is okayish. i briedly played that.
peak marsh
I haven't played it but Katana Zero is supposed to be pretty good
It was pretty popular on Switch
stable laurel
Im on pc
vague galleon
overwhelming positive but not a game i'd play.
peak marsh
It is too, it was just also on Switch and pretty popular on the marketplace
vague galleon
is that all you have to spend? 😭
vague galleon
ah okay.
timber prism
Any of these fun?
katana zero is good
vague galleon
i would suggest the entire runic games bundle but i dont know how most people would like HOB
peak marsh
$30 opens your options a lot more
timber prism
cross code is also good
stable laurel
Gimme 5 minutes ill be back then
vague galleon
the sound track kinda hurts the price but i always buy those.
tl2 is totally worth it.
peak marsh
I mean the Steam summer sale is happening so there are a lot of good games really cheap right now
vague galleon
i got bored of cross code but i also bought the plushie.
stable laurel
I mean the Steam summer sale is happening so there are a lot of good games reall...
Yes was looking for some good ones
And u all have good taste
timber prism
posting TL2 made me go buy the D4 xpac XD
cuz its 50% off
this is also absurd for storage for an ARPG
vague galleon
ew
peak marsh
Yes was looking for some good ones
If you liked Enshrouded, Valheim is $9.99
stable laurel
Not fun alone i had it
vague galleon
tl2 is so much better than d3 or d4
timber prism
not even close XD
vague galleon
bro d3 was lame.
peak marsh
Not fun alone i had it
Monster Hunter World is also $9.99
vague galleon
and d4 has been very poorly reviewed.
timber prism
D3 was a lot of fun with friends climbing the ladder
vague galleon
if you say so.
peak marsh
D4 has been collecting a lot of hate reviews for the things they did with Diablo Immortal tbf
timber prism
idk.. did you even try to hit top 10 on the ladder?
i had a blast with friends doing it
vague galleon
no? because I should be able to judge a game from a single playthrough, not by sweating.
ARPGs need to be fun from the first hour, not 1000 hours later.
timber prism
i dont think playing a game one time.. especially a looter from a single playthrough is a good way to review any game
but thats just me
games change
vague galleon
ARPGs are one of the most repetitive types of games out there.
peak marsh
I mean, tbf a big part of the Diablo franchise since D2 has been clearing end game 17 times and getting all sweaty xD
timber prism
like I would never judge POE1 or 2 from the first build
vague galleon
and if I need to spend more than 10 hours to "get to the good content" it's failed.
I loved diablo 2 and I only ever played it on normal. XD
stable laurel
I liked dd2
vague galleon
D3 was very meh.
peak marsh
For a while I lived in Meph runs xD
stable laurel
Whats d3
peak marsh
Diablo 3
timber prism
i can understand what you are saying but I disagree wholeheartedly with you
Im also competitive so I like features that you probably dont
peak marsh
Replaying D2 when I got the remake reminds me just how hard the game actually was xD
vague galleon
ive played 2 characters through on TL2 to 100, and worked on a third more than halfway through.
d3 I beat once and moved on.
Diablo 2 Remastered is the best Diablo.
peak marsh
It's pretty awesome on Switch
vague galleon
TL2 DOES suffer from a lack of ladders though...............
no real endgame content, just a modding scene that diablo 3 doesnt have.
and after 450 hours I barely touch mods. but i didnt have any friends to play it with and just focused on playing online vanilla a lot, and sometimes made short term friends, lol
now im sucked into enshrouded.
HELP
timber prism
maybe I should try TL2 again but I hated my experience in it
vague galleon
I would defend it to death, I love it, but I also love cartoony graphics.
timber prism
I found everything in POE so much better
when i was looking for a replacement to D2
timber prism
I also play hardcore
vague galleon
but as far as end game content goes, all TL2 has is the mapworks and that one dungeon in the desert after NG+
timber prism
and it was fun to rip so many characters in POE that I never really gave TL2 (i absolutely hate the graphics) a chance
i lasted 77 minutes
timber prism
it felt so generic of an ARPG
vague galleon
its absolutely my aesthetic.
i dunno, most ARPGs are gritty violent grim dark games
timber prism
none of the abilities were fun for me
vague galleon
what class did you play? i loved embermage
ended up finding a lot of fun with ice waves and flame pillars
vague galleon
well then I cant help ya. XD
vague galleon
probably the engineer then
i maxed an embermage, an engineer, had several more characters for both that were more specialized, and got a berzerker past 50
but playing it so much solo i lost interest.
stable laurel
Is it like dd2
vague galleon
it's like diablo 2
timber prism
no
peak marsh
DD2? Dragon's Dogma?
stable laurel
Dungeon defenders2
vague galleon
darkest dungeon
stable laurel
Lol
timber prism
oh
vague galleon
?????????
timber prism
<.<
i assumed dragons dogma 2 lmao
also no though XD
even more no than before
haha
peak marsh
Yeah it's not tower defense, though if you want that Risk of Rain 2 is also on sale, and really good
stable laurel
Is there anything more up to day graphic on steam sale
vague galleon
if I had two friends to play TL2 with I'd totally love to drop another 500 hours into that game, max out all 4 classes at least once, max out all my extra classes, and try modding finally, but, no friends. big sad.
stable laurel
if I had two friends to play TL2 with I'd totally love to drop another 500 hours...
I will probaly buy it for my friend to
If he likes it
peak marsh
https://store.steampowered.com/app/473690/Absolver/ -You could get Absolver for $2.99 right now. Soulslike action martial arts MMO
stable laurel
https://store.steampowered.com/app/473690/Absolver/ -You could get Absolver for ...
I like fantasy
peak marsh
It is. Dark fantasy
stable laurel
Never played anything else then mortal shell
peak marsh
It's really good if you like 3rd person action games
stable laurel
if I had two friends to play TL2 with I'd totally love to drop another 500 hours...
Buy it for 10 more friends maybe 1 sticks around lol
Jk
vague galleon
never
stable laurel
It's really good if you like 3rd person action games
Ill check it out for sure
stable laurel
never
It sucks that they didnt play it
Everyone had that
Once
What does everyone have the most time in
Wich game
vague galleon
- GTA 5 (online)
- Enshrouded
- Torchlight 2
- oblivion
- terraria
peak marsh
Elder Scrolls Online, Enshrouded, The Forest, V Rising, Monster Hunter World
But that's just on Steam, if we were going to count console and non Steam I'd probably have a couple more Monster Hunter games and Minecraft up there xD
Maybe PoE? I played tons of that before it came to Steam. Back when it was only 3 zones and you progressed by beating each difficulty
And endgame was just maps
peak marsh
It's a pretty great time
stable laurel
V rising whats that?
peak marsh
It's very open world with a lot to do and it's got a good fully voice acted plot
stable laurel
I was thinking about it
peak marsh
V Risng is also really good, it's a survival game where you play as a vampire. You have to avoid sunlight and drink blood while you kill bosses to restore your power
Very good action combat
tepid wadi
V Rising also has some of the best progression in gaming right now
vague galleon
v rising didnt interest me.
tepid wadi
It flows very naturally and constantly pushes you to the next boss/area
vague galleon
i did yes
peak marsh
Yep
stable laurel
Fun?
peak marsh
Endalrin has thoughts about their ladders xD
vague galleon
i dont reccomend it as a casually played game
I HATE THE LADDERS
THEY ARE AWFUL
WORST EVER LADDERS
stable laurel
What do u mean ladders
peak marsh
It's a really good game but it takes a lot of grinding and building up
vague galleon
as in the kind you walk up to achieve a higher elevation.
stable laurel
Its with planets right
peak marsh
But if space is your thing it's probably the best space survival on the market
vague galleon
NMS is an amazing game but require a bit of no lifing.
stable laurel
I dont like no lifing alone
vague galleon
you need to devote a lot of time to it.
not like most ARPGs where you can just played for 30 minutes or 5 hours.
peak marsh
That's the thing, aside from some hubs 95% of the game is solo
You'll only see other players at some space stations
It has kind of a Warframe thing going on in that regard
peak marsh
If you want a fantasy game where you can play with other people but also explore an open world ESO might be a good choice
The base game is $4.99
vague galleon
dont do it. dont play the MMO
peak marsh
And you get tons of content before you have to start looking at expansions
peak marsh
For $4.99 you get a pretty massive world, tons of content and a fully voice acted main story that's really good
tepid wadi
ESO is definitely one of the better ones right now
stable laurel
A few cool ones coming out
peak marsh
Maybe
tepid wadi
Darktide and Vermintide are great
peak marsh
Crimson Desert isn't going to be MMO like Black Desert, it'll be a single player game
peak marsh
Yeah
stable laurel
Darktide and Vermintide are great
Vermintide to horrory i think for me
Darktide idk
peak marsh
I also have Towers of Aghasba WL'd, mostly to see how it pans out
sweet patrol
I am curious about towers of aghasba as well
peak marsh
Right now it looks like it needs more time in the oven
tepid wadi
I played it for like... an hour and wasn't super impressed. Definitely needs more time in the oven
stable laurel
Whats darktide like
tepid wadi
It's got potential and some neat ideas, but currently didn't get there
vague galleon
For $4.99 you get a pretty massive world, tons of content and a fully voice acte...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FeahzYGuIKY the only thing I like about ESO. I love this dude. so much. SUCH A FREAKING BADASS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
tepid wadi
Darktide is the same thing as vermintide, but Sci-fi instead of Fantasy. You can look up plenty of videos on it
stable laurel
Ill check
vague galleon
i thought i'd like vermintide but I got soooooooooo bored.
peak marsh
I am curious about towers of aghasba as well
This review sums up a lot of the YT reviews and other negatives I've seen. Just feels like they need more time and feedback
sweet patrol
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FeahzYGuIKY the only thing I like about ESO. I l...
I remember that video so badass Also loved the origional release video as well
vague galleon
ya, and to think he was just a breton!
tepid wadi
Yeah, that video is a top tier trailer
sweet patrol
JUST a breton.....thems fightin words🤣
vague galleon
it's clear we're supposed to root for the breton.
imagine being a mighty nord and getting your ass knocked out by a breton you just brutally stabbed in the chest.
IN ONE PUNCH
sweet patrol
I always play as Khajit in ES
stable laurel
Did anyone here play conan exiles
peak marsh
Too janky and unrefined for the amount of DLC they want you to buy
stable laurel
Whats besiege?
peak marsh
And I mean some of the fundamental power stuff is locked to DLC. Want to ride a horse to have an advantage in combat? That's a DLC
vague galleon
i originally played as redguard for swords but I ended up going to nords, mainly cause of the hairstyles and abilities.
also nords in skyrim get mohawks, ALTHOUGH I LEARNED LATE THAT BLUE ELVES GET MOHAWKS IN OBLIVION still, the elves are WEIRD
peak marsh
Beseige is really cool. You build crazy medieval contraptions to clear levels full of enemies. It's almost like an engineering puzzle game
peak marsh
The physics are really good and you can make some really crazy devices
Like, really crazy
peak marsh
Top down roguelike action game. Really good action combat, you play as far as you can, die, upgrade, and try again
(Hades)
tepid wadi
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m9Ze6twapSM
<Horizon Zero Dawn noises>
peak marsh
xD It's a really good pick up and play game. The stuff in that video is way off the crazy-meter but you can make some really wild contraptions
The basic structure is you have to play through a series of levels with objectives like destroy the castle wall, eliminate the enemy troops, protect the package etc, but it's completely up to you what to build to do it
vague galleon
Beseige is really cool. You build crazy medieval contraptions to clear levels fu...
i bought that and boy do I NOT have an engineering degree!
peak marsh
D
vague galleon
Borderlands3?
BL3 is trash. dont waste your money.
peak marsh
Yeah, summer sale is a great time to stock up the library
vague galleon
torchlight 2?
that has a demo incase money is tight
i own it on both my accounts and switch too lol
peak marsh
Actually I might install Beseige again. I haven't played it in years, I'm curious what's different xD
vague galleon
i got through a few levels and gave up.
i keep using wasd to move as well
and my amazing builds kept falling apart.
I'll add it to my list of "play with friends for a laugh"
stable laurel
that has a demo incase money is tight
Its not but im a cheapskate so im gonna play that demo anyways
peak marsh
I'm just amazed they're still updating 5 years later
stable laurel
Actually I might install Beseige again. I haven't played it in years, I'm curiou...
Is it multiplayer or purely single
peak marsh
The last time I played it, just single. But I know it has a really active mod community in addition to regular updates, so multiplayer might be a thing now
vague galleon
Its not but im a cheapskate so im gonna play that demo anyways
i hope you like it.
stable laurel
Yeh i played a bit of the other one
peak marsh
Yeah it looks like it does have multiplayer and also Steam Workshop support, so you can either upload your creations or download other people's
stable laurel
Thats funny
I like being creative in games
Making my own tank
For 1.50
Hell yh
vague galleon
doom16 is alright but I DO have a few issues for it. can reccomend for under 10 bucks though.
vague galleon
close enough.
vague galleon
doom eternal kind of pushed me away with it's story.
vague galleon
ya, rip and tear is great. story is kinda trash.
stable laurel
I only search for good story in games that are like story based
If rpg or something
vague galleon
the change in enemies to be more oldschool was an odd choice especially with everything else being more modern
vague galleon
i love halo
peak marsh
Halo is a pretty great series if you're into FPS
vague galleon
very old.
eh, it's not too horrory, a little bloody, some mild eldritch stuff.
it's good if you like shooting games.
stable laurel
are there any more good combat open world or dungeon with puzzle type of games on sale for cheap
stable laurel
Preferd for it to be on sale
stable laurel
There is a new fable no
vague galleon
i mean the new one may eventually come out one day
stable laurel
Im getting it
stable laurel
https://store.steampowered.com/app/2100/Dark_Messiah_of_Might__Magic/
Whats this like
vague galleon
this is the adventures of sir kicks a lot.
stable laurel
2006
stable laurel
Ill look into it
vague galleon
never finished it. >_>
stable laurel
Haha
vague galleon
i need to get back to this one.
not sure i'd reccomend it but i'd say wishlist it.
vague galleon
ya, wishlist it but wait on it.
tepid wadi
https://store.steampowered.com/app/2100/Dark_Messiah_of_Might__Magic/
next game when
stable laurel
Whats the goal of the game endalrin
peak marsh
https://store.steampowered.com/app/794260/Outward_Definitive_Edition/ - Outward is less than $5
vague galleon
Whats the goal of the game endalrin
🤷♂️
Outward is okay.
i forgot about that one.
this isnt on sale but i'd say it's a lot of fun.
https://store.steampowered.com/app/581630/Sword_With_Sauce/
stable laurel
https://store.steampowered.com/app/794260/Outward_Definitive_Edition/ - Outward ...
Looks funny
Ill check
peak marsh
Also it has co-op
stable laurel
Is it like runescape dragonwilds
peak marsh
No, it's more of an adventure RPG
stable laurel
I wishlisted fable anniversery the bloodline and outward
Any more reccomendations
These are good
Really my taste
peak marsh
https://store.steampowered.com/app/322500/SUPERHOT/ -Super hot if you've never played that. Basically FPS puzzle game where time only moves when you do
Really great game that makes you think about how to survive each level
stable laurel
I like fantasy
Also fantasy like brawls
Team vs team
This is my library atm
Warlander is fun
peak marsh
lol Steam put The Quinfall under "players like you also love" on my recommendations:
(Don't play The Quinfall, it's a scam game xD)
vague galleon
https://store.steampowered.com/app/322500/SUPERHOT/ -Super hot if you've never p...
i should go back to this
vague galleon
https://store.steampowered.com/app/794260/Outward_Definitive_Edition/ - Outward ...
@stable laurel this is good. i hope i tagged the right levi there's a lot of them.
peak marsh
I beat the first one (both on PC and in VR xD) but I still haven't played Mind Control Delete
stable laurel
<@1157302289116176464> this is good. i hope i tagged the right levi there's a lo...
U did
Im superman
vague galleon
lol
stable laurel
Should i buy the batman games
vague galleon
do you like batman?
stable laurel
Maybe i can kick his ass then
stable laurel
do you like batman?
Hell no
vague galleon
then no lol
peak marsh
The Arkham games are pretty good
vague galleon
that reminds me of the burning rage I have for suicide squad game.
peak marsh
Especially now that WB finally got around to fixing Arkham City on PC xD
vague galleon
i lost interest in the arkham games but i'd say they play like shadows of mordor.
stable laurel
I loved shadow of mordor
vague galleon
i wish I could go back to that but....... uhg, i messed myself up on that......................
vague galleon
ya i kind of leveled up my enemies too much BEFORE getting the mind control................
and then wiped out too many
and i couldnt figure out how to just disfigure them instead of killing them........................
stable laurel
There was a game some time ago i forgot the name it was 70 dollars at launch
Lemme find it
I cant find it
😭
vague galleon
hmmm
stable laurel
It looked fun at launch
Just overpriced
U had to kill monsters with magic
Avowed
Its just way to expensive
vague galleon
ah ya, it's mediocre from what i hear
not the worst but not great.
maybe i'll try it in a couple of years.
peak marsh
Yeah Avowed didn't get the greatest reception
peak marsh
https://store.steampowered.com/app/1466060/Tainted_Grail_The_Fall_of_Avalon/ -Honestly this is more like what Avowed looked like when they released the first trailer
vague galleon
i want oblivion remastered but im not playing a penny over 30 bucks, preferably want it for 20.
stable laurel
i want oblivion remastered but im not playing a penny over 30 bucks, preferably ...
Same
stable laurel
https://store.steampowered.com/app/1466060/Tainted_Grail_The_Fall_of_Avalon/ -Ho...
Wishlisted this lol
vague galleon
also if you do get TL2 and want someone to play with let me know.
also the runic games discord still exists and is somewhat active if you need help with anything.
stable laurel
also if you do get TL2 and want someone to play with let me know.
also the runic...
Yes it would be cool if we could play
I will probaly get it
Looks fun
For a dollar fiffy
vague galleon
i think multiplayer still works.
stable laurel
Whats the full name again
vague galleon
torchlight II ?
vague galleon
mouse click
im not sure if you can use WASD, maybe? its been a long time since ive played.
vague galleon
;;>_>
stable laurel
K
vague galleon
kill more, get even better loot.
stable laurel
It looks fun for sure
1.50 cant pass up on it
And thanks for the other wishlists imma head to sleep
vague galleon
you do get a pet though.
stable laurel
Good night
vague galleon
night
vague galleon
you get multiple choices but it's all cosmetic honestly.
TL3 did better with the pets, but worse in other areas.
stable laurel
Ahh okay
@vague galleon do u have any more reccomendations for me that i can wishlist so a deal can come and i can get it can be expensive i was thinking about wishlisting ark idk if its fun
stable laurel
Good game
My messages dissapeared lol
@vague galleon is TL2 hars
Hard
Or not that hard
peak marsh
@tepid wadi
vague galleon
<@180957877597503488> is TL2 hars
i found it quite easy and usually play on veteran
peak marsh
@burnt spear Got a spammer
peak marsh
I mean, it's obviously fake xD
stable laurel
<@&1059853133188169910>
vague galleon
there we go, rofl
stable laurel
That was quick
peak marsh
You fools, you've summoned the purple swarm xD
merry moat
We only need one ping lol not 3
stable laurel
Ill invite u!
craggy wing
stable laurel
We only need one ping lol not 3
Oops
vague galleon
Ill invite u!
UH OH
NOOOOOOOOOOOOO i finally found all the buttons and now im at THE VAULT
stable laurel
Hahha
burnt spear
<@150375858270502912> Got a spammer
Why did you ping me specifically? 
merry moat
Favouritism
peak marsh
Why did you ping me specifically? <:LUL:417777253733236764>
Because your status was online xD
vague galleon
ALWAYS ping the role.
burnt spear
.>
peak marsh
I try not to ping all if I can grab one who is online
burnt spear
I had quite literally just gotten up out of my chair to walk to the closet and then my Discord goes crazy.
vague galleon
i dont trust that.
stable laurel
https://tenor.com/view/idiot-congratulations-you-played-your-self-gif-10536951
How many hours do u have in tl2?
vague galleon
452ish
stable laurel
Dang
tranquil cove
tldr the last 50-100 messages?
peak marsh
Game recommendations for someone who is looking for cheap good games during the summer sale
Also the mods swatting a spammer
peak marsh
No Rest for the Wicked is really good, and while it doesn't have it now they're going to add multiplayer to it in the future
stable laurel
Does anyone know about dark and darker
stable laurel
I saw that review yes haha
stable laurel
@peak marsh if u could only pick one to play wich would it be can aslo be jedi fallen order i narrowed it down to this from the steam sale want a good game for the summer haha
peak marsh
It's a broad scale in terms of price and genre. Of that list I'd probably go with No Rest for the Wicked personally if I had to choose
Good story and art style, varied builds meaning you can do multiple playthroughs, solid action combat and exploration, and they'll be adding co-op in the future
stable laurel
Good story and art style, varied builds meaning you can do multiple playthroughs...
Thanks
Have u played jedi fallen order
Also anyone else have an opinion
peak marsh
I've heard it's good but I haven't played it personally
stable laurel
Its like souls right
tranquil cove
controls are bad and you get 1 shot a lot
and most starwars games have lame stories because of disney
peak marsh
The controls take some getting used to like any game but they're far from bad. And honestly I rarely get one shot unless I'm being reckless. Not to mention they added difficulty options. How long ago did you play? Before The Breach?
stable laurel
The controls take some getting used to like any game but they're far from bad. A...
He means star wars
peak marsh
Ah
tranquil cove
yeah i mean the fallen order game
its easy most of the time, but 1 or 2 bosses make you realize how bad the controls are
and they can 1 shot you
vague galleon
well it aint no jedi knight or jedi academy
tranquil cove
jedi knight is a game i can play today with outdated graphics and still enjoy
cant say the same for modern starwars games, where i can barely play them 1 time
i must have replayed jedi knight dark forces 2 like 5 times
never played another starwars game that much
tranquil cove
i wouldnt buy anything there, i guess that's why you didn't ask me 🤣
maybe torchlight 2, it'a only $3
supposedly a plague tale was amazing
stable laurel
i wouldnt buy anything there, i guess that's why you didn't ask me 🤣
Loll
Diffirent taste lol
tranquil cove
people seem to have liked avalon
stable laurel
Outside of torchlight
tranquil cove
and i dont know about avowed or bloodlines
vague galleon
none of them really peak my interest, and I'm torn between saying fable anniversary, or just getting the oringal as it's way cheaper and anniversary doesnt actually add much of substance.
id sooner tell you to buy TL1 on top of TL2, but TL1 is single player.
stable laurel
id sooner tell you to buy TL1 on top of TL2, but TL1 is single player.
First im getting tl2
stable laurel
none of them really peak my interest, and I'm torn between saying fable annivers...
Any other game then u should reccomend
stable laurel
not many good open world rpgs
Outside of that
vague galleon
any other genres you like?
tranquil cove
i like peak if you have friends its fun
if you dont have friends, or your friends suck and play league of legends all day, then peak is a bad game
i should put that as my peak review
stable laurel
any other genres you like?
Ohh
I like action mmo rpgs
Games like rematch
Only if there very cheap
Survival
vague galleon
only MMO i really enjoyed was runescape.
stable laurel
only MMO i really enjoyed was runescape.
Newest one?
vague galleon
oh, look up Planet Explorers. it's free.
not sure how polished it is though.
but it had promise and i heard a rumor they were going to try again with a sequel.
vague galleon
Mordhau?
stable laurel
Only i did not like the combat of for honor to much
vague galleon
99c
abandoned project.
T-T
dont ask how much I paid for this back in the day...
stable laurel
Did u like it
stable laurel
dont ask how much I paid for this back in the day...
16 dollars?
vague galleon
18... on a sale from 20.........
vague galleon
one of the many early access games I got burned on.
stable laurel
one of the many early access games I got burned on.
What was the worst one?
Like one that was a total scam
vague galleon
probably starforge.
stable laurel
Is it abandoned?
vague galleon
spent 70 bucks on that for the 2 player pack.
that one was like an alpha build with a lot of broken promises like base defense.
stable laurel
Oh yes i also like tower defense
vague galleon
Savage Lands was a disapointment
Interstellar Marines had promie....
this is good.
not really my cup of tea but people like it.
stable laurel
This is my library as an idea
peak marsh
Oh yes i also like tower defense
Look at Risk of Rain 2
vague galleon
Look at Risk of Rain 2
i havent played that since gearbox broke the game with their dlc.
stable laurel
https://store.steampowered.com/app/233860/Kenshi/
Whats this about
vague galleon
heard they tied gamespead to the FPS or some shit? i hate games that do that.
still havent bought the DLC
vague galleon
Whats this about
hard to explain.
stable laurel
https://store.steampowered.com/app/632360/Risk_of_Rain_2/
Is it like u build things to defend ur tower?
Not like waves coming at u and u stand there with a gun
vague galleon
ROR2 is an action rogue like and I really really like it
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they fricked my game...........
BLEEP BLEEP BLEEP BLEEP
stable laurel
ROR2 is an action rogue like and I really really like it
Whats rouge
stable laurel
I liked dungeon defenders 2
vague galleon
https://store.steampowered.com/app/210770/Sanctum_2/
i hated this.
felt so stiff and low budget.
peak marsh
It's fun co-op
peak marsh
https://store.steampowered.com/app/345330/Eden_Rising/ - Or this one
stable laurel
https://store.steampowered.com/app/345330/Eden_Rising/ - Or this one
What is this?
peak marsh
Basically you're building up your base and defenses while searching the world for resources between waves of enemies
vague galleon
there was another one like that that came out but it requires an epic account even on steam.
stable laurel
there was another one like that that came out but it requires an epic account ev...
I have that
I can also get things from there
Epic tames right
stable laurel
i will never reinstall epic ever again. shit company.
I got mortall shell for free there
Okayish game
Gonna find a friend to play that tower defense looks fun thanks @peak marsh
timber prism
Give me all the free games Epic
vague galleon
never.
misty arch
I got mortall shell for free there
you want open world rpg, here you go, and its co-op
https://store.steampowered.com/app/2787320/Revenge_of_the_Savage_Planet/
vague galleon
they made a sequel? I own the first one but never loaded it up.
reviews are concerning, lol
strange blaze
I loved the first Savage Planet - nice exploration gameplay and the storyline has that satirical vibe from RoboCop TV segments or if you've seen Mickey 17.
Haven't tried the sequel yet.
vague galleon
Robocop is so good, the movie i mean, game is alright.
strange blaze
Yes, I was referring to the movies with Peter Weller.
vague galleon
i tried the game and got bored with a lack of combat lol
strange blaze
I haven't seen the new movie nor the game.
strange blaze
The PG RoboCop they made [NOT: within the last 10 years]
2014, time flies by.
vague galleon
ah ya, that one was okay. not great. missed a few points but not the worst movie ever.
lol
peak marsh
The new one misses the whole point that Robocop is a satire and tries to play everything serious with a societal message behind it. Worth a skip
strange blaze
Back to Savage planet - There's a lot of verticality, jumping between floating islands and grappling.
Much like I now play Enshrouded actually.
vague galleon
i think it's okay for robocop to be a little serious and have a message, but boy is it dumb about it at times.
peak marsh
Fine as a "shut your brain off action popcorn flick" but they didn't need the Robocop IP for that
vague galleon
shame the sequels werent good.
strange blaze
Total Recall remake was also meh.
I'm not optimistic about the Running Man either.
peak marsh
Aside from maybe some visual effects I'm not sure how you even top the original Running Man
strange blaze
shame the sequels werent good.
RoboCop 2 I liked, I don't remember much of 3
peak marsh
Robocop 3 was pretty bad. They were trying to make Robocop more "marketable" (ie; sell more toys) so the entire movie has him saving some kids and theres a kid sidekick and none of the over the top violence of the first
strange blaze
My only memories of it are the jetpack and some Japanese businessmen, but I've seen it ages ago.
Thinking of it now, the jetpack def. sounds like "moichandising" (q: Yoghurt from Spaceballs)
peak marsh
Side note, that was a really weird thing with the 80s I'm not sure you'd see today, taking extremely violent movies and making toy franchises out of them. Robocop, Terminator, Aliens, Predator, etc
peak marsh
My only memories of it are the jetpack and some Japanese businessmen, but I've s...
Kind of disappointed we never got Robocop the flamethrower
strange blaze
Side note, that was a really weird thing with the 80s I'm not sure you'd see tod...
Well, for me Watership Down was more traumatising than either of those, and I hear it's required reading in some places.
So ratings are overrated.
Franchises today seem watered down to me. Like blockbusters are purely investments made by committee for widest appeal and few original IPs that really stand out.
I was pleasantly surprised by Mickey 17 and Thunderbolts, though.
Murderbot is a nice series that carries a similar anti-corporate satyrical vibe (based on the first book in what's currently a series of 7).
tepid wadi
That's why we're seeing a lot more AA games be successful. They're not tethered to the "line go up" mentality that the larger corporations (and IPs) are tied to. They just want to make sweet games
And we're starting to see a trend that I like, where those studios are growing but not going public, so they can continue to spurn the market as a driver for their success.
strange blaze
That's why we're seeing a lot more AA games be successful. They're not tethered ...
Well good for those small studios then.
Enshrouded is the biggest positive surprise I've had since Valheim (which was the 1st Survival game I played).
Despite thrashing my SSD reads, what Keen did with Holistic Engine is amazing.
peak marsh
And we're starting to see a trend that I like, where those studios are growing b...
Larian is doing a great job carrying that banner
vague galleon
timber prism
Its crazy they can do this... but also it seems third party docks have been blowing them up so..... short term good long term very very bad
vague galleon
BLOWING THEM UP?!
man the switch 2 is just AWFUL huh?!
every day it's a new thing!
peak marsh
Yeah, they use some kind of proprietary protocols for the port so 3rd party docks in a best case won't work and in worst case can fry the port
It'll probably be reverse engineered eventually but for now the best option is a first party Nintendo dock, which is the only reason they've done it that way
Nintendo has never been on friendly terms with 3rd party peripheral manufacturers
vague galleon
so im playing this savage land games and i just watched the ad for meat buddy..... i dont want to play this game anymore.
peak marsh
I haven't played Savage Lands in ages. Didn't the devs abandon it?
vague galleon
they made a sequel, so i dunno.
oh wait,
i was playing savage planet.
savage lands was sold once or twice, (same as hawken) and never made much progress past that.
a shame cause it had a good aesthetic.
peak marsh
It's EA. Making the clothing randomized and forcing players to spend more money isn't a problem, it's a feature xD
tranquil cove
It's EA. Making the clothing randomized and forcing players to spend more money ...
well you actually spend real life currency to buy their game currency, and with that you can buy individual items.
peak marsh
That's what I mean. If you have to repeat that process for 4-5 articles of clothing, that's how they put the screws on you to just buy premium currency
tranquil cove
but it's still grindy and wasting my currency i earned.
peak marsh
For them being grindy is the point xD
tranquil cove
yeah but i can just quit the game
which i did after every play test release in 4 days
so i mean there game is good enough to keep me playing for 4 days i guess? good luck to them.
peak marsh
Sure. But now you're assuming they view you and players like you as people and not just a number on a spreadsheet that they effectly assume will be there
And since the game is F2P for the most part, they're right
tranquil cove
if the game has no player retention it will be one of those revolving door games, which sustains like 500 online for 10 years then shuts down. instead of something that could have had 10,000 people a day.
peak marsh
It depends, but for the most part free games don't have much of an issue with that. 500 is fine as long as 3-5% of them are whaling
timber prism
I prefer you not post stuff that is under NDA in gaming servers. We already talked about this before so ill pass
tranquil cove
the NDA includes forums?
peak marsh
Wait, that's NDA?
tranquil cove
its like typing my ideas or impressions of the game
timber prism
Yes
tranquil cove
it's not screenshotting the game
timber prism
Skate is under NDA
Any discussion of a game you are testing of that test server is breaching NDA
Its pretty basic of any NDA lmao
timber prism
Yeah. I remember you saying that before
tranquil cove
or does family not count because same residence 😆
how can you enforce what you cant prove
everyone could be playing while their girlfriend watches
vague galleon
it counts and if they find out they'll lock you up in a tiny concrete box.
timber prism
Like... this is a dumb discussion so I'm just gonna not talk about it
Bc you clearly just dont care
vague galleon
Son doesnt know what an NDA is. 🤣
tranquil cove
it's dumb for you to care so much, i wrote words about a game
everyone knows its not a released game in pre alpha
and not to harshly judge the game based on said words
timber prism
Man never heard about leaks
tranquil cove
posted in a pretty obscure forum, that im pretty sure just 20 people read
timber prism
Bc he is the leak
tranquil cove
nobody can be bothered to click one of the 50 discord channels, in a game server they completely muted.
lol
timber prism
Assumptions something something
tranquil cove
this topic will vanish by tomorrow as other people talk about 20 other games
im just saying you're making a big deal out of nothing really
timber prism
But cool. Let it disappear now. Its a dumb thing to even have a convo about
We already had this convo before.
Its like you just can't remember
Use your chatgpt
tranquil cove
people already judging skatecpt worse just because its EA, anything I say has no effect.
lol
EA needs to NDA they are making the game
if they want positive opinions
lol
timber prism
Anything you say has no effect yet you care to share it anyways
tranquil cove
i was asking your feedback, if you think i made any good points
instead you chose to become morally superior
lol
timber prism
You are asking for my feedback after I told you I don't care about giving it
vague galleon
says the one breaking NDA
timber prism
The first time
tranquil cove
i asked you now for the feedback i wrote
timber prism
No shit
tranquil cove
then you said you don't care about it
vague galleon
go look up what an NDA is.
timber prism
....
tranquil cove
the first time i didn't know you played skatecpt, so how could i ask feedback?
timber prism
.....
tranquil cove
this time i knew you played, which is why i asked
you should take it as valueing your feedback
but i respect your decision to not talk about it
vague galleon
An NDA, or Non-Disclosure Agreement, is a legally binding contract that establishes a confidential relationship between two or more parties. It outlines what information is considered confidential and restricts its disclosure to unauthorized individuals. NDAs are commonly used to protect sensitive business information, trade secrets, and other proprietary data.
Non-Disclosure
timber prism
vague galleon
legally binding contract
timber prism
BTW. You thumbs up this realizing it was bad form
And here you are three months later doing the same thing about the same exact game
tranquil cove
how does that screenshot show that i asked you for feedback
tranquil cove
yeah i don't really care, if you care go report me
you keep going on about it, i am not forcing you to give feedback
any time you stop talking is when we stop talking about it
exotic echo
yeah i don't really care, if you care go report me
Are you talking about skate 4?
rocky siren
peak marsh
https://www.ynetnews.com/business/article/hj9kmburxl -"Just cry to ChatGPT"
stable laurel
Are any of these good
honest valley
dragons dogma is good
stable laurel
dragons dogma is good
Whats it about
vague galleon
didnt like that one. 😦
stable laurel
didnt like that one. 😦
Did u like darksiders
Looks very intruguing
I can buy every game for 20 bucks
vague galleon
nah. took one look at darksiders and passed right over it.
peak marsh
Darksiders 1 and 2 were fun. Dragons Dogma is fun too, it starts a little slow but if you like action RPG battles against giant bosses it does that really well
stable laurel
Ill get both prolly thanks @peak marsh
tepid wadi
The first Darksiders is super good. It's very Zelda with a different theme
misty arch
Both Darksiders 1 and 2 are great adventure action games. First one follows the horsemen of War and then 2 follows the horsemen of Death.
stable laurel
Both Darksiders 1 and 2 are great adventure action games. First one follows the ...
can it be compared to shadow of war or god of war
Or a combo
misty arch
closer to god of war combat style. there is also an rpg element as you can upgrade your combat abilities how you want in different trees.
tepid wadi
Darksiders 1 is basically Ocarina of Time reskinned (not in a bad way). It has a lot of the same sort of elements, progression, etc. But the wrapper it's in is an interesting story and the gameplay is super solid
2 evolves the gameplay a bit bringing in some more standard RPG elements (equipment with stats) but is still very solid
vague galleon
arent there 3 of them? each a different kind of game.
i swear 3 is arpg like diablo.
tepid wadi
My understanding is that 3 is widely agreed to be bad, which is why there isn't a 4th for the 4th horseman
But also I didn't play it so I don't know for sure
peak marsh
Same, haven't played it but afaik it was pretty universally panned
vague galleon
ya i read up on the plot and said nope to all 3.
tepid wadi
I think 2 was kind of stretching the premise in the first place, they should've stopped at the first one
tepid wadi
It's WELL worth that cost
You'll get an easy 60-100 hours out of it. As long as you don't tire of your pawns being like "Goblins ill like fire!"
vague galleon
I tried so hard to enjoy that game but i honestly hate it. >_>
peak marsh
Is it?
I'd say so. Again, if you like action RPG battles against giant monsters it's a good pickup. It's basically Monster Hunter: RPG edition once you reach a point
That's one niche Capcom is really good at, games where you fight a city bus with a tail
stable laurel
Ahh okay
tepid wadi
Worst case scenario, you get it for 4 bucks and don't love it.
I don't regret getting it at full price
peak marsh
I got it on Switch for 14.99 and got my fun out of it. Wasnt a huge fan of the pawn system but it was still a solid game and an overall decent time
tepid wadi
Unique is certainly a way to describe it
peak marsh
It's definitely unique
vague galleon
it's not as good as people say, all the ones I got were STUPID
tepid wadi
They can definitely be really annoying
But the jank is part of the charm of the game sometimes
tepid wadi
I wouldn't say it's a 10/10 game that I'll love until I die, but for $4 it's definitely worth the investment
tepid wadi
They're less annoying in DD2, I'd say. But the game is overall very similar
vague galleon
i heard DD2 was quite dissapointing.
peak marsh
I thought I remembered 2 being panned by most people as not as good
stable laurel
Ahh okay
peak marsh
Actually I skipped 2 specifically because of the reviews
stable laurel
Is lies of p a good game
tepid wadi
Yes
peak marsh
Lies of P is excellent if you like Souls games
vague galleon
dont do it
peak marsh
That's not a bad one to do it with. The mechanics are a little more forgiving in Lies of P than other games in the genre
stable laurel
Elden ring is best souls?
peak marsh
Like for example, I would absolutely not recommend a game like Seikro as a first souls game xD
stable laurel
Maybe wukong
peak marsh
Elden Ring is probably one of the best in the genre right now, yeah
It has more of an open world than most souls games do, that part has some mixed opinions
Though it's another good choice as a first souls game
peak marsh
Shame the original Dark Souls never seems to go on sale
peak marsh
Nope. Fromsoft almost never puts them on sale
peak marsh
I mean on one hand you have the Fromsoft/Nintendo line of thinking that "We made a game that we feel is worth this much, so we don't want to sell it for less" but then on the other hand putting an older game on sale gets more people into the franchise so you sell more later
I wouldn't say liked it less. I still play from time to time I'm just out of things to do
vague galleon
I can understand not putting your game on sale for a year or two, but if your game is 10 years old you better not sell it for more than 20 bucks
ESPECIALLY if you release a new one every other year.
looking at you CoD
stable laurel
Lol
peak marsh
I guess if I had to say with Enshrouded, Nomad Highlands felt a little less interesting but I don't think there was a part of the game I didn't enjoy
stable laurel
Im rn having a hard time starting up
peak marsh
But also when I was in Nomad there wasn't a lot going on there
finite saffron
And then there's the Factorio dev, who has always kept their game at a flat round number fee and never done a single sale in its half a decade on Steam, because the developer thinks that sales and .99 cent prices are both unethical manipulation practices 
https://steamdb.info/app/427520/
Idk if I even really agree with them but I respect the commitment
vague galleon
i hate that 99c shit.
peak marsh
Yeah, same
stable laurel
What does that mean 99c
finite saffron
It's silly but everyone does it because it works
stable laurel
Just cheap games?
vague galleon
i have mixed feelings on seeing games sell for 90% off but steam sales have spoiled me with that 75%
finite saffron
What does that mean 99c
Making a game cost 29.99 will increase your sales compared to if you made it cost 30.00, because psychologically it makes the game feel cheaper
vague galleon
What does that mean 99c
24.99 instead of 25
stable laurel
Oh
peak marsh
Though I don't understand the aspect of sales being unethical. I guess if you want to approach from the standpoint of it devaluing the work but putting an older game on sale just broadens your market, so when you release the next game more people will want to buy it at full price
stable laurel
Doesnt affect me
reef bobcat
age old marketing strategy
finite saffron
Nobody thinks it affects them but statistically it works, so clearly it does
stable laurel
Yh
reef bobcat
cuz the brain tends to only read the first number
yeah it absolutely affects everyone
peak marsh
But I could also see the argument that "if you put your game on sale for 14.99, now people just assume it's worth 14.99 instead of 30 and you'll never sell it for 30"
finite saffron
Though I don't understand the aspect of sales being unethical. I guess if you wa...
There's actually a pretty solid argument you can make about them being unethical that relates to FOMO. The unethical nature of it becomes a lot more apparent when you look at extreme examples.
For example if I have a product that's listed for 60 dollars, but half the time I have it on sale for only 5 dollars, is it really a 60 dollar product? Or do you list it at 60 dollars, simply to make the sale price look like a really good deal, and make people want to buy it before the sale runs out?
From a purist perspective it's blatant psychological manipulation. Though, there's so many other unethical business practices that are common place, that sales are probably one of the last things I'd complain about.
vague galleon
i feel like sales/discounts should be for when sales have dropped signifficantly, at least for big ones, or when the game is a few years old.
but like, doing 20-30 during a big steam wide sale is also good.
finite saffron
I mean even Enshrouded, the vast majority of our purchases happen during sales. In terms of "manipulating" people it works.
But it's so commonplace in the industry that not doing them would essentially be shooting yourself in the foot for almost no reason.
peak marsh
There's actually a pretty solid argument you can make about them being unethical...
I suppose I didn't look at it from that aspect. So effectively in that scenario, you're really only expecting the $5, you're using the $60 as a push to get more people to make the purchase, and maybe you get lucky and a few people actually pay the $60
tranquil cove
sales price i often view as the normal price of the game
and none sales price is a markup
it's not like the game devs actually give you a sale during sales price
stable laurel
I ussualy stumble into games on sale
tranquil cove
they just mark up the game every other time, so the normal price feels like a sale
standard thing in retail
vague galleon
Maceys.
peak marsh
I mean even Enshrouded, the vast majority of our purchases happen during sales. ...
I feel like offering players a value isn't necessarily manipulative. It can also be a tool to give more people an opportunity to get into a game they might not have otherwise and get invested in a series
tranquil cove
everything in retail is like 3-4x more than the cost the store pays to get it
so when they have a sale, they are still charging 2x more than cost
finite saffron
Yeah a lot of times it essentially is, and that's not exclusive to the games industry
I have these cookies I buy from my local grocery store, but at full price they're stupidly expensive, like 4 dollars a pack for barely any cookies. But they routinely go on sale for <3 dollars, so much so that I literally always buy them at that price.
So you can ask the question... Why aren't they always listed at that price? Well, it's because the sale makes them look like a good deal, and makes you more likely to buy them. Also makes you more likely to buy more than you normally would, because you don't want to get stuck without your cookies when they're "not on sale"
tranquil cove
unless its clearance, clearance is usually the cost price
peak marsh
There are very rare games I'll pay full price for. Monster Hunter is an example. Though the reason I do that with Monster Hunter is because I originally got into the series buying a used copy on the PSP, effectively "on sale"
tepid wadi
Reminds me of how Diablo 2 was full price in stores for like 10 years
vague galleon
Yeah a lot of times it essentially is, and that's not exclusive to the games ind...
Me.
tranquil cove
i remember back when i worked in retail we had the scanner gun
and i would scan items for 12.99, and see the store got them for 80 cents, and i went around telling customers. cause apparently i dont believe in NDA'S 😆
peak marsh
I also got Enshrouded at full price at launch, but that's because it was worth the value based on the early previews I saw and I like supporting indie devs
tranquil cove
i used to give customers 25% off at the cash as revenge for putting me on cash, because i was the shipping/recieving guy. so the manager rarely put on me on cash, but also didn't want to fire me.
stable laurel
What does indie mean
peak marsh
and i would scan items for 12.99, and see the store got them for 80 cents, and i...
I mean, there's a lot more that goes into a shelf price beyond what the store wants to make. Shipping, distribution, labor, overhead (lights, heat/ac, etc) shrink and loss, that factor into that. It's much different from a digital purchase where none of those are really at play
tepid wadi
Indie devs are usually devs without the backing of major publishers, with team sizes in 1-30 or so.
But there's a lot of grey area
vague galleon
I bought Enshrouded on a whim cause it looked neat when I also bought last epoch. one of those games was a huge waste of money.
tepid wadi
AA is generally in the 30-200 employee range, still independent and not a part of major publishers
tranquil cove
I mean, there's a lot more that goes into a shelf price beyond what the store wa...
yeah i just believe in open source, full transparency etc. they used to tell us not to tell our salaries to people and first thing i did was tell everyone my salary, which started everyone telling their salaries which was funny. and then it lead to blowback from some people discovering they got paid less despite being there longer/or being good workers than newer kids being hired etc. suffice to say some people got raises after.
stable laurel
I bought planet zoo full price a long time ago
tranquil cove
yet they didn't want to fire me because i was a good worker, so they were stuck with me not listening/not being able to really prove anything.
stable laurel
Ussualy buy of deals
tepid wadi
Buying games at full price vs on sale is always a personal choice, definitely no shame in waiting for sales and stuff.
I was sold on Enshrouded when I saw the terrain destruction in their initial reveal trailer
stable laurel
What are your picks for game of the year
peak marsh
yeah i just believe in open source, full transparency etc. they used to tell us ...
I mean, that's exactly why you don't discuss salary. The person making less will be upset, because often pay increases don't scale with minimum wage, so yeah the kid who got hired more recently makes relatively more because they started at a higher base. They also might have more education/qualifications
tranquil cove
I mean, that's exactly why you don't discuss salary. The person making less will...
hard disagree
tepid wadi
That's why businesses don't want you to discuss salary.
tepid wadi
If you're hiring someone for more money to do the same job as someone who has been there for years, the person who has been there should at least be bumped up to the same level.
peak marsh
I mean, it ultimately leads to resentment. The cold fact is if you want to make more you should be looking for a new position or the same position with another company where you have room for negotiation about every 3 - 5 years. If you've been doing the same job for 10 making relatively the same amount of money, the company is just going to assume you're happy with that
tranquil cove
nobody owns me, or scares me, so they can fire me and then pay me severance. i live a minimalist lifestyle so i dont have a mortgage to pay or 2 cars to pay off, so i can afford to be out of work for a few months. whereas i think other people spend outside their means and dont save, and then they have less freedom to resist at work becuase they can't afford to be out of a job.
ideally i'd work for myself.
tepid wadi
Fun story, I have been let go because I asked about pay increases after two years of not getting them.
vague galleon
I mean, it ultimately leads to resentment. The cold fact is if you want to make ...
id be more comfortable doing that if american jobs didnt always start you at 1-2 weeks of vacation.
tranquil cove
Fun story, I *have* been let go because I asked about pay increases after two ye...
yeah there is a lot of corruption out there. that's why im like this. lots of people i know who work hard and didn't get pay increase for 15 years, and they are doing a pivotal unique thing for the company. that is hard to replace at that standard.
peak marsh
Fun story, I *have* been let go because I asked about pay increases after two ye...
That tracks for the tech sector
finite saffron
I mean, that's exactly why you don't discuss salary. The person making less will...
This is an american work culture thing, at least that's what I've realized after working for EU companies. It's much more common for people to openly discuss salaries in Germany, and any resentments I've seen form as a result have been towards the company, not the coworkers.
It's a very weird cultural thing in the states, when people see a coworker getting good benefits, they get jealous/angry at them instead of asking "why don't I get those benefits too?"
tepid wadi
Something something individualism
vague galleon
ya but germany has this weird thing where the renter has to buy their own cubboards and appliances for some reason.
peak marsh
This is an american work culture thing, at least that's what I've realized after...
Yeah, I've seen it play out time and time again. Not only does the person making less resent the company, they also resent the people making more and it leads to an uncomfortable workplace
obtuse scroll
America has a thing called 'at will'. You question things and they can fire you for no reason
vague galleon
but they ALSO have springerly.........
finite saffron
American companies definitely perpetuate it, though, partly due to the utter lack of unions. I've heard plenty of horror stories of mismatched benefits getting brought up, and the companies response is always to lower the pay/benefits of who has the most, rather than dare to give more to anyone else, lol
tranquil cove
This is an american work culture thing, at least that's what I've realized after...
in my little social experiment when i worked in retail, our coworkers didn't resent each other when we found out our salaries either. it was all directed at the company.
finite saffron
And yeah, "at will" employment and lack of unions is to blame for that culture.
finite saffron
in my little social experiment when i worked in retail, our coworkers didn't res...
Yeah I've always openly said my pay/benefits to coworkers, if they resent me for that like... that's on them I guess? They're being irrational. I'm simply giving them information to better themselves.
tepid wadi
America has a thing called 'at will'. You question things and they can fire you ...
Yeah, it's sold as a "worker's rights" thing, but in reality it's to protect corporations.
tranquil cove
America has a thing called 'at will'. You question things and they can fire you ...
they can fire you for no reason in canada too, it's called being let go without cause, but canadian law has severance required to be paid. whereas in USA you have less rights provided by the government. some companies give severance, but if it's provided by the company it's usually stipulated in the contract when you began working there.
obtuse scroll
Yeah, it's sold as a "worker's rights" thing, but in reality it's to protect cor...
Corporations run America, they will do anything for their bottom line. There is no worker's rights in there at all.
finite saffron
The "at will" being workers rights thing is the most insane bit of american coroporate propaganda ever haha, you only realize how crazy it is when you work for companies in other countries.
Because like, they talk about it as if it's some kind of privledge only Americans have. "You can stop working at any time!"
As if that's... not how it works everywhere else? Do they think that in europe the police will show up and force you to work, or something?
It only benefits the companies, cause it lets them fire you without any warning and for any reason, which is utterly insane
tepid wadi
You also realize it's crazy when you get fired for some assinine bullshit 😝
obtuse scroll
The "at will" being workers rights thing is the most insane bit of american coro...
Propaganda is how our country works. I mean, why do you think we don't have universal healthcare?
(as someone who is fighting to get healthcare because of the way the lay off process works here -_-)
vague galleon
at will states suck
vague galleon
Propaganda is how our country works. I mean, why do you think we don't have univ...
not to get too political but our healthcare just got 10 times worse.