other-games

[peak marsh]

Assuming it actually comes out next year

[timber prism]

Oh. I just mean in general

There aren't any large scale pvp mmos being developed

[peak marsh]

TBF there aren't many MMOs being developed at all xD

The list for 2025 is like, 7 large scale releases and 4 of those are cross platform with mobile

[tranquil cove]

isn't warframe like an MMO just instanced

warframe is the only good multiplayer game i've played in awhile, just grindy, but i mean the grind is part of the gameplay of building the strongest warframe.

[timber prism]

MMO gets used a lot these days

Dune even marketed itself as a mmo

[tranquil cove]

so you dont think warframe is MMO?

what would warframe be classed as?

it has lots of players, and it's multiplayer, and you can end up with different players in different maps, all taking place in a consistent universe.

i guess CSGO is the same, but the universe doesn't feel connected, and there are no hub points.

like warframe has planet space stations, or a city on earth/venus etc where lots of players meet to trade/shop

[peak marsh]

Warframe isn't really an MMO in the traditional sense because you don't really interact with others much. Technically yes, it's online and has a massive player base

Generally, massively multiplayer implies you'll be playing with others on a large scale. Warframe is more of an instanced online single player game with limited multiplayer elements

Soulframe has my interest though, if they manage to get the combat dialed in. I tried to get into Warframe but something about it just didn't stick with me. It wasn't bad I just didn't really engage with it

[frank sonnet]

Soulframes combat is difficult

[timber prism]

If I had to rate soulframe atm from my time playing I would given it a 6/10

My friend got so bored they quit after a hour or two

[timber prism]

No. That would be like saying Destiny 2 is a mmo

Or Diablo 4 a MMO

Or Monster Hunter Wilds a mmo

[peak marsh]

Yeah, everything I've heard says Soulframe is still rough around the edges, with combat being a big part of those edges

[tepid wadi]

Yeah, I've heard that as well.

[frank sonnet]

big hammer

[tranquil cove]

never played those so i don't understand

but arguably even what is traditionally thought of as an MMO has instances

WOW isn't full open world, its instanced... but even if you take a full open world. one could argue that severs themselves are instances of the same world. so you can't fit 20,000 people on one server, one map, so you make 20 servers with 1000 people each, and duplicate the worlds. = instances really.

and sometimes players can cross between servers within the game, without going to menus.

if the game is designed that way

like uh? skate CPT maybe?

me and my friend are in same spot in the same world, but cant see each other, until we join each others party, and then one of us is moved to the others world.

warframe just has narrower instances.

so i guess instances aren't what defines an MMO, since even servers can be considered instances, or dungeons. but instead how much of the world is shared or persistent between players?

but then where do we say that number is?

100 players in 1 spot? 200 players? doing 1 type of gameplay or all the gameplay the game has to offer?

[timber prism]

90% of wows content has you with other strangers roaming a world

[tepid wadi]

The idea of a MMO has definitely evolved over time, but the general acceptance is: A game is a MMO if you have a server of thousands of people that you could theoretically encounter during gameplay. It doesn't need to be a certain density in a single spot, but generally the accepted number of people in an instance is "a lot"

[peak marsh]

Nope. I'm sidelining for this one, I've had far too many "what is an MMO" debates over the years xD

[tranquil cove]

but what are we calling warframe then? a multiplayer game? basically?

[tepid wadi]

But the line definitely gets blurry for different people. Some people consider survival games MMOs, other people consider Destiny style 'shared world' games to be MMOs 🤷‍♀️

[tranquil cove]

but not an MMO

[tepid wadi]

Yeah, I woulnd't call warframe a MMO, I'd call it a shared world game.

[tranquil cove]

a game that has multiplayer 😄

an MO

TMO

tiny multiplayer online

[tepid wadi]

I don't actually know how Warframe's 'open world' areas work, but the original game could be a co-op multiplayer game.

Because you never encountered randos

[peak marsh]

MOG, MMOG, MMORPG, MMOFPS, MMORTS, MUD, BBQ xD

[tepid wadi]

Like, it's the same thing as Left 4 Dead

[tranquil cove]

the open world areas work*, by, you go to them. and now 100 players can be there, but there are 32 instances of that area.

so it's like a lobby really

from that lobby you can select different missions/tasks

than from another lobby

[tepid wadi]

That sounds kinda MMOish to me

[tranquil cove]

warframe has like 5-10 of these lobby like areas

[timber prism]

Majority of warframe wasn't like that

[tepid wadi]

But that's definitely a big change from what warfram was originally, yeah

[timber prism]

That open area was added later

Even in soulframe its mostly single player or adding someone

With hubs to see complete strangers

[tranquil cove]

like there is an earth village/city lobby, a venus one, one in space (where you can access your rail ship, and do coop missions with a ship, where people control guns like guns of icarus style)... and then there is also some lobbies on some other planets, 2-3 more?

[tepid wadi]

It kinda depends on how the lobbies are. Do you DO anything there, or are they just lobbies? How many people can be in one at once?

[peak marsh]

That's how MH Wilds is, you're basically solo except you see people running around in camps, and you only play with others when you group up with them

[timber prism]

But is there areas of doing actual content with random strangers without inviting them into a group?

[tranquil cove]

50 at least, not sure if more

[tranquil cove]

and yeah there are different things to do there, mostly shops and getting missions, or things to do with your warframe.

some people trade there

some people get boosts

[timber prism]

So a social hub

[tranquil cove]

xp boosts from other players

[timber prism]

Not raiding or open world dungeon or killing mobs exploring

[tranquil cove]

warframe also has a guild system, and building guild halls

where your whole guild can be online in your guild hall

[tepid wadi]

I'd say "Multiplayer game with MMO elements"

[tranquil cove]

and your guild hall can have 200 rooms

[timber prism]

Yeah. That is not a mmo

[tepid wadi]

IMO, a MMO needs some significant aspects of gameplay to be in larger areas where you can incidentally encounter other players

[timber prism]

Im not randomly exploring to find some boss and run into a group of people already roaming around some area

[tranquil cove]

and there are different things you can do in each room, unlock tech, obstacle course, fight other warframes i think? so duel?

[tranquil cove]

everything about warframe is coop into 4 players, when it comes to actual missions, so (dungeons) in a traditional RPG. but, even Dungeons and dragons online only allowed 4 people per mission.

and then it had the shared city, where everyone met before going into a dungeon

waterdeep

so was dungeons and dragons online an MMO?

lol

[tepid wadi]

I mean honestly? Not really. But also a lot of games claim the MMO tag that aren't actually MMOs

[tranquil cove]

yeah so DDO and warframe are basically the same thing

[tepid wadi]

Because it comes with a pretty huge community that'll buy your game 😝

[tranquil cove]

interesting

Warframe = multiplayer online co-op social game with persistent elements.

[tranquil cove]

but anyway persistent elements defines an MMO?

wasn't there an argument for MMOS should actually not be persistent?

like the world should be dynamic and evolving and changing

[tepid wadi]

No, MMOs are definitely persistent worlds

Persistent doesn't mean stagnant though

[tranquil cove]

even as far as terrain destruction? kingdoms falling?

[peak marsh]

The entire world was invaded in WoW

[tepid wadi]

Terrain destruction is a bad idea for MMOs, I'll stand by that one forever 😝

[tranquil cove]

so if i made an MMO on world where the continents shift?

it wouldnt be an MMO

lol

[tepid wadi]

No, you're confusing persistent with stagnant.

[tranquil cove]

what is meant by persistence?

[tepid wadi]

The world persistence means that when you enter the world, you're entering the same world every time. Like it doesn't "reset" or "randomize". No proc-gen continents, etc

Like every time you make a valheim world, you're making a persistent world. BUT every world for valheim is different because they're randomly generated.

[tranquil cove]

but you could have a lore/map that does change, and still achieve persistent world, if you keep your character, progress, loot etc?

if the way to skill up the character remains the same?

[tepid wadi]

Generally, yeah

[timber prism]

I agree with Zerax.. it is not an actual MMO

[tepid wadi]

There's a lot of leeway with the rules

And some devs will claim things are a MMO, where they aren't.

[peak marsh]

Same lately with the Survival tag

[tepid wadi]

the new Dune game is actually a good example. The Hagga basin is a persistent zone, you build bases and stuff, you can encounter players, etc etc. BUT when you build in the Deep Desert, every week a Coriolis storm will destroy everything on the map and rerandomize the map. But if you build during the week, your structures will continue to exist and be persistent.

So the game has MMO elements in Hagga Basin, but the Deep Desert is an ever changing PvP-centric wild land.

[timber prism]

I cut down a tree and built a base.. I am now a survival game

[tepid wadi]

It's an interesting blending of MMO gameplay, Survival gameplay, and randomized elements.

[round beacon]

well... in regards to mmo, theres an argument that could say both sides are correct and incorrect.

whilst yes, the therm mmo gets used quite loosely, it nowadays more or less refers to most online games where you meet more than one or two other players in content, whilst mmorpg is its entirely own genre

[peak marsh]

Enshrouded is actually kind of guilty, it gets the survival tag when it's not really a survival (though they did add that mode later), it's more an adventure game with building and crafting

[timber prism]

you can for sure be a mmo without being a MMORPG

[tranquil cove]

what do you call games where you can play creative, or survival coop (8 players), but you can also make a server and play with 32-100 people across a large map and 3 planets? (talking about space engineers 1 and 2). still a coop game?

[frank sonnet]

people use the survival game tag way too liberally

[tranquil cove]

can you be a survival without eating food or water?

is survival tied to food and water or progression (like increase of abilities over time)

like if your character can die, but.. not from hunger or thirst is it a survival? valheim for example you can't actually die from not eating.

[frank sonnet]

Minecraft only barely counts as a survival in this regard

[tepid wadi]

Yeah, co-op survival game probably

[tranquil cove]

so resource management and surviving in complex environment is more about the survival genre

[tepid wadi]

Sort of, yeah.

You have to remember that genre blending is a key aspect of gaming though. So you can have survival elements in a MMO, you can have city builder elements in a survival game... there's a lot of overlap and nuance in general.

[tranquil cove]

cause space engineers doesnt have food/water though maybe they will introduce something in the second game.

[tranquil cove]

makes sense

[tepid wadi]

Yeah, food/water consumption is a common survival game element, but not a required one. Another example is with Dune, you're mostly managing water and heat. In a lot of space games, you manage O2

[tranquil cove]

you do manage O2 in space engineers, and power i think

i forget if there was suit power, i think there is

it just wasnt a very... robust system, like not that deep in the first game

[peak marsh]

NMS is similar. You're managing suit power and oxygen rather than food and water

[tepid wadi]

yeah

[frank sonnet]

that's more of a space sim

[peak marsh]

I suppose. Space sim with some survival elements

[frank sonnet]

i wonder how realistic you could get with a survival game

[tepid wadi]

VERY. But you'd reach a point where it's just not fun

Some games have done things like managing nutrition and stuff, and it just becomes annoying.

[peak marsh]

Green Hell takes it pretty far. You have to pull leeches off of yourself, clean wounds to avoid infection, purify water in order to not get sick, etc

Yeah, The Forest had a rudimentary nutrition system and it got pretty obnoxious

[tranquil cove]

zomboid is as survival as it gets, especially with the poop mod

lol

[round beacon]

i mean some prefere this, others want a more relaxed style. both have their places (long dark, green hell)

[tranquil cove]

in build 42 zomboid you can catch rabbits, hunt deer, probably bears?

and rats (you can also pet rabbits and make them pets i think).

and there is long term survival progression, you can basically do blacksmithing

and it's slightly like simulation blacksmithing, seems deeper than blacksmithing i've seen in other games.

zomboid is turning into sims basically

but you can die from not eating

You'll die of hunger from 95 kg long before you die of severely underweight issues, if you don't eat anything. This is just one more reminder that hunger & weight/calories are separate values. If you don't eat for 3 days, you'll most likely hit starving and start losing health, even if you're above 90 kg.

you can also die being underweight?

but it's a different/slower mechanic i guess

[frank sonnet]

i'm thinking like no build menus and notifications for effects like disease and hunger

[tranquil cove]

If we ignore the hunger, you'll only start losing health if at/below 35 kg.

[tepid wadi]

Yeah, survival realism has a preference level for sure. I find that I like mild to mid survival mechanics, but I'm mostly here for the building.

[tranquil cove]

which games that

[frank sonnet]

Moros protocol

[peak marsh]

I find regardless of intensity I like them more when they support immersion. For example Green Hell has heavy survival mechanics but it's woven into the gameplay and setting well enough that it feels immersive. I'd call that done right

Done wrong is when you just feel like you're hitting a snooze button on a series of alarm clocks over and over

[tranquil cove]

valheim has a lot of annoying things

for example if you tame wolves, their howling is incessant and annoying. and their pathfinding is atrocious, always getting in the way, blocking stairs etc. constant howling. i've always considered valheim a troll dev team.

the food system is annoying, on 30 minute timers, maybe 1 hour? but it's still way too frequent. and food often interrupts other things i want to do, which is an example of how food/water can interrupt gameplay, especially if it's not somehow mitigated more with progression.

storms way to frequent, and i swear 90% of the time i approach water to build a dock, a storm starts, but only right at the edge of the water, and when i walk 10 steps away its sunny again.

the game is meant to troll you. it was designed that way.

[round beacon]

Make a better one.

[tranquil cove]

im sure i would end up criticizing even the game i made

it's my nature to find flaws in games, there is no perfect game

i'm basically in a position where i put 500 hours into a game that is 8/10 at best for me.

super grindy and boring at times

troll game made by troll devs, with a troll PR person.

still 800 hours though

[vague galleon]

warframe is for nerds.

[tranquil cove]

building was subpar, exploration can feel generic, the only hook really is progressing/collecting ships, and improving gear. super friendly community and mods.

you see i'm not playing 1 hour and calling a game trash, or 500 hours and calling it trash, i'm just saying meh these games have these specific problems.

still good games

if they were bad games i wouldn't even have bought them

[timber prism]

Warframe Videogames are for nerds.

[tranquil cove]

almost every god is evil, and if you want to finish quests where you get rewards you need to do evil actions. otherwise do good and get no magic items. was probably one of the annoying things about skyrim for me.

[round beacon]

<- nerd

[timber prism]

We know. You play video games.

[tranquil cove]

i didnt play skyrim as much as i should have, should have 600 hours at least

it's definitely a 600+ hour game

[timber prism]

Apparently not. You didnt even hit 600

[tranquil cove]

i know that's what im saying

[timber prism]

No. You said its definitely a 600+ hour game and you didnt

[round beacon]

lol... 600.. cute :3

[tranquil cove]

space engineers 1 is a good tech demo

its not really what i would define as a game 😛

[tranquil cove]

i have 60 hours on the special edition skyrim

[round beacon]

you can be thankfull my misses aint on this discord, she would have shot you right where u stand now^^

[tranquil cove]

i mean this doesnt surprise me, its either humble bundled

or because you're buying new games all the time

whats your total game count

[timber prism]

446

[tranquil cove]

my completition rate is still low

326 for me, closer than i thought it would be lol

i thought you were going to say 600+

[timber prism]

its a great game... something something

[tranquil cove]

my completion rate has been 31% forever

[timber prism]

imagine completing games

[tranquil cove]

ive been trying to bump it

actually, it used to be 34%

[timber prism]

my game library could be much bigger

I have years of humble bundle i haven't claimed

or given away

[tranquil cove]

yikes

[timber prism]

in my discords, we have guild meetings where we just give games away to people

its pretty fun

you dont even say the name of the game and just paste the code

[tranquil cove]

people have tried to give me games

and i usually decline unless its something i really wanted

[timber prism]

Yeah, not everyone is like that

[tranquil cove]

since you know... trying to get my game completion rate higher

[timber prism]

some people just like free games

[tranquil cove]

yeah

[peak marsh]

My old squad leader in Guns of Icarus Online is the reason I own both Sonic & All Stars Racing Transformed, and Bad Rats xD

(Bad Rats is an ancient Steam meme, it's a really terrible game that's always dirt cheap, so you gift it to people and pretend it's amazing until they go "wth dude..." xD)

[vague galleon]

i got it a steam reward thst one year they did it and gifted to some guy i barely knew.

i did keep decilmaycry but i wish i had gifted thst instead.

[misty arch]

https://youtu.be/qjhpegTcNIo?si=3ZpL6Hqvfvp7ydy5

[tepid wadi]

I have some problems with Wildgate about the feel of the gameplay. We played a couple rounds of it last night and it just didn't end up being fun for some reason.

[timber prism]

First tests I had a blast but the balance is way off on the changes they made and homing pistol is still OP

Hopefully they get better at balance changes and it could turn out to be a fun coop casual game like SoT

[tranquil cove]

wait when games leave early access

they remove your steam achievements?

and make you get them again?

lameeee

no wonder my game completion is so low

can have 400 hours in something and have 0 completion

[finite saffron]

Depends on how the game is setup, I've seen plenty of games that don't do that

[tranquil cove]

satisfactory did it 😦

[peak marsh]

I feel like Enshrouded probably won't. A lot of single player/small scale co-op games don't either

[tranquil cove]

im not even sure how to stack buildings in satisfactory

build vertically, but also you can only stack a few things vertically? 🤔

so far all i see are conveyors

[misty arch]

there are the standard walls and floors to build with as well

[misty arch]

this one looks pretty good as well
https://store.steampowered.com/app/3437340/Abyssus_Demo/

Steam

Abyssus Demo

Gather your friends and dive into Abyssus' fast-paced multiplayer shooting action. Fight through gorgeous hand-crafted levels in a roguelite adventure that will put your tactical skills to the ultimate test. Wield powerful brine-powered weapons and refit them with ancient technologies to gain an edge over your foes. Obtain divine blessings…

▶ Play video

[frank sonnet]

and installed

[misty arch]

nice, hope you enjoy it

https://youtu.be/C2-ze5ikG0c?si=X4vUOBbcVtB6yIM7

[frank sonnet]

its crazy to see what minecraft has become. this kind of thing only existed in mods in ye olden days

[misty arch]

https://youtu.be/F79oEkMXElU?si=U9SzCzOQrptOto0R

[peak marsh]

https://www.thegamer.com/nintendo-nintendo-switch-2-nsw2-joy-con-stick-drift-case/

[misty arch]

https://youtu.be/fvIuM3Cr8iw?si=sFa7XbJklDIEDyYt

[peak marsh]

The more I keep hearing, the more I'm starting to feel inclined to wait on a Switch 2 Lite or maybe an OLED and see if they resolve the joycon issue in those. For the current Switch 2, the main reason they couldn't go with TMR or Hall Effect is because the magnets in the joycons would interfere with the sensors. Still not an excuse to not have a better potentiometer but I'm thinking with a lite version wouldn't have that drawback because no joycons?

But that's assuming they make a change there vs keeping it the same. There must be some cost/manufacturing reason they're still using the one that caused all the issues the first time

Also I've heard this take a few times now and I find it increasingly silly. Like, the welcome tour isn't something you "have to" 100%, it's just there to showcase what the hardware is capable of. If you're running out to buy a 4k TV and a Pro Controller and a camera specifically to "beat" the $10 Welcome Tour software, the problem isn't Nintendo in that situation xD

[vague galleon]

its so trash

i'll consider one when the switch 3 comes out.

[peak marsh]

My thing is I'd like to have the whole "switch" aspect where I can put a game on my monitor, but also I play a majority of the time in handheld anyhow, so I really don't want to be in that spot where my joycons are borked and I either have to wait 2 weeks while Nintendo fixes them or buy another set or use it exclusively on my monitor with my 8bitdo

(which, turns out, is actually fully Switch 2 compatible. I bought it hoping for that fact and turns out I was right xD)

So now my controller works on my PC, my phone, my Switch, and eventually Switch 2 when I finally pick one up

Also, Ebay y'all crazy. They aren't even out of stock xD

Like, Nintendo Target and Best Buy all show in stock right now xD

Which cracks me up because I like to imagine a lot of the 3 million sales they had on launch weekend were scalpers trying to snap up as many as possible, and now that they're still in stock and regular supply they'll wind up stuck with them and selling them off for a loss xD

[frank sonnet]

always the scalpers

[peak marsh]

I mean in this case I hope it was. It means in a month we'll suddenly see a flood of increasingly cheap Switch 2s on the market while they try to recoup as much as they can

Like nobody is overpaying on Ebay when you can get one at MSRP direct from Nintendo or through Target etc

Consumers win, scalpers lose, I laugh

[frank sonnet]

one of the only times scalping will do some good

[peak marsh]

Also helping my mentality of waiting it out is the fact that there's basically nothing on it yet. Mario Kart and a whole bunch of Switch 1 stuff/PC ports I could already be playing

Though I am interested in both Tears of the Kingdom and Witcher 3 running with the better performance I've seen

Especially Witcher 3, it was alright on Switch but you really felt that 30~ FPS at times

[peak marsh]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W_soaFQjYsg

TL; DW: Press and developers are saying that the narrative of small studios is going to contribute to industry abuse and possibly collapse

[vague galleon]

if no new game was ever made after tomorrow I honestly wouldnt care.

[peak marsh]

That means no Enshrouded 2

[vague galleon]

I have Enshrouded 1.

[peak marsh]

Or Enshrouded Online 🤔

[vague galleon]

why would I need a sequel?

MMO? ew.

[peak marsh]

Nah, serious note I don't think Enshrouded needs a sequel, it's fine as it's own thing, but I want to see what Keen does next

[vague galleon]

my point is we have a glut of games.

[peak marsh]

If the current track is Portal Knights > Enshrouded, the next > could be amazing

[vague galleon]

1 sec. I need to share something so you can cry with me.

[peak marsh]

I mean sure, but that's why it's important to cherry pick. The nice thing about abundance of choice is you get more options within your interests

[vague galleon]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LFvwUemJsGg

suffer with me.

the shitty thing about the abundance of choice is descision paralysis.

[peak marsh]

That's why being informed goes hand in hand. Not hard to make a choice when you read up/take in information and learn that a game is either crap or has a whole lot of what you want to see in a game

[vague galleon]

i already have too many games

[peak marsh]

For as many games as we post and talk about in here, 90% don't even wind up on my wishlist and 80% of the ones that do don't wind up in my library

It's why my library is so small. I'm very selective about what I pick up and I tend to stick to one game at any given time

[vague galleon]

;;>_>

[peak marsh]

And frankly that's due for some culling because there are a few free games on there I checked out on a lark and haven't removed from my library yet

Then on my Switch I have 18 games

[vague galleon]

I have, 10 physical games for my switch, but i do have a few digital games on there.

[peak marsh]

But then if I filter my Steam down to installed ready-to-play games, it drops down to 25

[vague galleon]

;;;>_>

[peak marsh]

And a lot of those are smaller games, stuff like Blaster Master Zero or pick up and play stuff like Deep Rock Galactic Survivors or Hades

[vague galleon]

blaster master?!

wait im thinking of math blaster.

[peak marsh]

xD

Zero is a really good update of an old NES action/metroidvania

Which reminds me, I still need to get River City Girls

[vague galleon]

wild how some games ive had installed for YEARS and never even loaded them up.

[peak marsh]

The only game I have like that right now is Prince of Persia: The Lost Crown, and only because I haven't gotten around to it yet. It hit a really good sale but right after I grabbed it Enshrouded updated xD

[vague galleon]

Enslaved and Strike Suit come to mind. i have 3 strike suit games I still need to try

also Recore

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GNTtR6ZpUOo

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c4Dz7633PnU Dear Lord.....

[peak marsh]

Floppotron is cool xD

[frank sonnet]

well shit Thiers something wrong with my steam screenshot key

[high widget]

EA gaming is abuse to gaming industry... the slop has been generated by ea games, not by full release games. There are some exceptions but its nothing more, just exceptions.

[untold lynx]

there never was a solid, agreed-upon definition of an indie studio, so this isn't about them, really

[peak marsh]

Well, and ultimately it's a whole lot of long winded moving of the goalposts. The underlying message is "well they're not really doing it with a small team because contributers"

"but akshually"

[untold lynx]

yeah but neither is Blue Prince the creation of a solo dev, or Warren Spektor the "guy who made Thief"

the narratives sold to us love the idea of a "creator", but games are just an amalgam of little bits made by a whole lot of folks, often uncredited for their contributions for stuff just outside their current job title

[peak marsh]

There's a middle ground to be had for sure, because while that's definitely true, it's also being used in order to effectively normalize and explain the bloat and waste of the current industry

Like no Clair Obscur for example wasn't made by "30 people" but it's also not "See? This is why we need a team of 300 and 13 billion dollars to make a game, so keep paying $80"

Also the idea that celebrating small teams is a "dangerous narrative"

[peak marsh]

https://www.nintendolife.com/news/2025/06/magnetic-joy-con-sticks-already-in-the-works-for-switch-2-amid-fears-of-drift

At least the aftermarket is working on it. Might be the best argument yet for waiting on a Switch 2

[peak marsh]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aR8SD8NKpZc

[stray coral]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HDTZwiCC7HM

[tepid wadi]

Isn't MindsEye one of those games that's promising to do everything but has always been super sus?

[misty arch]

only reason it was sus was because of the time it took to be made. Which everyone is now seeing that it was not ready to be released.

[peak marsh]

You might be thinking of Paradise. MindsEye is from former Rockstar/GTA devs and has AAA backing

Paradise is the other "GTA-like" but that one is what you're describing, says its going to do everything but its from a fly by night studio and has no evidence of actual development

Plus they're offering crypto incentives for signup referrals

[tepid wadi]

Ah yeah, that's what I must be thinking of

[frank sonnet]

it will be interesting when this comes out

[peak marsh]

Yeah. I'm going in with less of a hype approach and more of a "lets see how they launch" approach, but it definitely has my interest

[frank sonnet]

i'm curious to see how mounts will work

[misty arch]

mounts do act a little to much like ships do in NMS. I hope they change that to make the mounts look more life like.

[frank sonnet]

i have a feeing build no fire is going to be like a hybrid of enshrouded and ark survival evolved

[tranquil cove]

i wont buy it until i see a gameplay vid

[misty arch]

they are already testing things in NMS for it. What they have done for underwater for planets is amazing and will make the ocean in Light No Fire crazy to dive in.

[tranquil cove]

what did they do for underwater planets?

last i remembered they ruined my planets by adding red tints to the water lol

[misty arch]

originally, and you might know this, you can only get to a depth of about 100u underwater. And thats if you get lucky and find a underwater cave or dig.

With the water update, they made it so that it actually takes over a minute to descend and you can now go to around 1000u. It is also very dark down there and ther are giant things that glow and move around down there 🙂

You do have to find an actual water planet. The originals are still there as well, but its a new line of water planets that have that ability

[tranquil cove]

so this was recently as in 2025?

since in 2024, they only had 100u deep

and yeah i've not found a planet with that deep water

[misty arch]

deep water was part of Worlds PArt 2 update. Which came out 4 months ago

here you go, someone showing it off
https://youtu.be/RybPyC4vF0c?si=XB3adaWIRVUzCltw

[tranquil cove]

see better if he went underneath the water in a storm

NMS used to have annoying thing where if a storm was on the surface, it muddled the water under water too.

did worlds part 2 remove that?

[misty arch]

still happens but i believe its a little clearer now.

[tranquil cove]

since i live in an under water base etc.

[misty arch]

the settlement update just came out so been focusing on that

[tranquil cove]

i wonder if that is real depth

or if its like a transition screen because the water is black anyway

giving the illusion that you're descending

lol

[frank sonnet]

are there deep trenchs in nms?

[tranquil cove]

not that i remember, there are high mountains though

[misty arch]

getting ready for some deep diving?

[frank sonnet]

ready to take on a space kraken

[misty arch]

have fun.

[peak marsh]

Not sure I'm familiar with that one

Meh, given track records doesn't sound like it'll amount to much:

[peak marsh]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yGGWWz6qTGY - It's a chonky boi, but the design is really cool for a handheld and it's pretty solid under the hood

https://www.youtube.com/shorts/37-9yPnL9aY

[frank sonnet]

Neo geo cartridges be like

[tepid wadi]

😡

[peak marsh]

Yeah, I can't stand nostalga bait relaunches like that

[tepid wadi]

Also the paid power MTX makes me so mad

[peak marsh]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bayWN04y4RE - @tepid wadi the first part of this video does a pretty good job summarizing Mindseye as far as where it came from and what it set out to be

[sonic pumice]

The Sacrifice

[peak marsh]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bXC2PrXIB6Q - New game from 11 Bit Studio, the guys behind This War of Mine/Frostpunk

[vague galleon]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/517754061567819787/1382498346194833469/FB_IMG_1749680949632.jpg?ex=684f53eb&is=684e026b&hm=069d857f797725ffe43174587104443abaf758e5800119e0d4a69f65e865ebf0&

[frank sonnet]

Their setting themselves up for disaster

[peak marsh]

It's starting to turn into this generation's Duke Nukem Forever xD

[frank sonnet]

Same with GTA 6

[peak marsh]

Nah, cause GTA6 might actually release within a decade xD

[vague galleon]

GTA is coming out Soon! ™️

[frank sonnet]

Comming in 2050

[vague galleon]

pfft, 2029 easily.

[covert salmon]

Was this the one that took 17 years? I can't remember.

[frank sonnet]

speaking of games with indefinite release dates

[vague galleon]

@peak marsh you follow a lot of gaming news, or so it seems.
have you seen anything on Skyclimbers? (it's a game I backed on kickstarter, don't think it's out publicly yet though?)
(looks like it's not coming to early access until 2026, still curious if any youtubers have mentioned anything about it.

[peak marsh]

No, it's not one that's been on my radar. Which if it's a kickstarter game is probably a good thing because games like that usually only get talked about when there's some kind of major scandal or drama involving it

[vague galleon]

lol true

its got a bit of a "pokemon" element too it with pets that evolve, but i dont think it's close to what palworld did.
dont know if they're still doing the same stuff, last I looked at it there was stuff about villagers who can die and forts and stuff.

so it's nice to see they're working on it still.

[peak marsh]

The idea looks interesting, but by the same token they also describe it as they want to create a "metaverse" which automatically triggers my gag reflex

[vague galleon]

:S I must have missed that one.

[timber prism]

I have it. Been a while since I played it but optimization was so bad that I took a long break and forgot about it. Im gonna install tonight bc its been a while and seems it has added some new stuff to test

[vague galleon]

I played it once and it was like super early alpha build where it was laggy and hard to do anything.

maybe I'll try it again in a few months, next time I see an update maybe.

[peak marsh]

I mean, I'm rooting for it as I do with most games that aren't inherent scams. If they can pull off what they're describing, an open world where you more or less can choose how you want to progress it could be good. I just worry that too much openness might leave it feeling directionless

Hopefully the whole "metaverse" mention was just them using a buzzword to maybe interest investors and isn't an actual goal

Mostly because I have yet to see a game unironically claim to be creating a "metaverse" and actually get off the ground

[vague galleon]

i just thought it was a neat pitch and backed at the extra copy for a friend level, didnt get any plushies but i did get a thumb drive.

[peak marsh]

New toy comes tomorrow xD

Been looking for a cheap-ish micro handheld for everyday carry and it just had some community made custom firmware release that improves it a lot, so it'll be something to tinker with xD

[vague galleon]

hate the rectangle design but neat.

another expensive hobby my other expensive hobbies hold me back from checking out sadly.

[peak marsh]

Yeah, it's not designed to be ergonomic, it's made to be extremely portable, and for as small as it is it can play up to some PSP

[vague galleon]

ya, i know the rectangle design is practical but i would prefer an SNES shape for something like this, just me though.

[peak marsh]

There's one like that from a while ago but it ended up being cheap nostalgia-bait junk. Honestly I don't understand why some of these smaller handhelds don't come in that kind of dogbone shape

This one, the Datafrog

Love the design but the actual hardware is trash. Buttons suck, power sucks, battery sucks, even at $35-ish it's just not worth it to buy e-waste

[vague galleon]

dang

I really wish I spent more time with my handhelds but the PC has become too much of a corrnerstone of my life after 7 years living in arizona and I have barely gotten out of the house now that I live in wisconsin, so sad....

[peak marsh]

There's also this one, the PocketGo s30, but similar situation, it's not as bad as the Datafrog but at $60 the screen and speakers aren't great, and it doesn't have some what I'd call essential features at that price like WiFi or Bluetooth and it's a little underpowered compared to others. Basically you can do way, way better for that price

[vague galleon]

the shape is just right though. especially if it has ergo curves on the bottom

[peak marsh]

Honestly I wish handheld manufactures were a little more creative in their designs, mostly you just see rectangles or Gameboy/GBA SP style handhelds. Like I get it, probably keeps manufacturing costs and ultimately price down but there's not a whole lot of variety out there

It's why that one that looks like a PSP Go I posted the other day caught my eye. It's just a little too clunky and chunky for my taste, if it was the actual thickness of a Go it'd be right there for me

[peak marsh]

If that's the case a good streaming handheld like the Odin 2 or the Odin 2 Portal might be a thought. A little spendy around $200 but they can do emulation up to PS2 plus are more than capible of streaming from PC so you could play your games as you would on PC but on a handheld

[vague galleon]

ya but i already have an actual PS2

so as nice as that is, if I really want to do PS2 stuff I have the old hardware already.

[peak marsh]

Yeah but your PS2 doesn't also play Enshrouded xD

[vague galleon]

well I have a PC for that. 😛

[peak marsh]

(technically they don't either, but they can stream it xD)

[vague galleon]

im the kind of weirdo that DESPERATELY wants a XUNE like MP3/MP4 player but modern cause I dont want to use my phone for music, 1 I like seperate specialized devices and 2 battery life is a thing.

i dont like multitools they're usually just a gimmick.

[peak marsh]

Yeah, it's honestly kind of wild to me that there isn't some kind of mini music-focused tech option. I guess most people just want to use their phones for that

But like, if you could have something the size of say a credit card you could throw in your wallet and play music from YT/Spotify/actual MP3s etc

[vague galleon]

i think phones killed the market and iphone dominated but still there absolutely should be a decent market as the music industry is one of the biggest in the world.

the original xune is the perfect shape for me. I like it's chockysize and easy to use buttons and large screen.

but it has one fatal flaw, besides the charging port.

it used software instead of being like the PSP/walkman that was no longer continued so it requires a bit of tech savy.

so instead of literally just being like a thumb drive that you copy and paste into with OPTIONAL software for maybe making playlists and such or relabeling songs. it used a propetary app that is no longer supported. absolutely insane.

meanwhile back in 2007-09 my PSP was an amazing MP3 player, and played videos, and oh hey I need to test that with my current playlist holy shit i just realized that maybe it will work!

I need to get a program that lets me edit/trim MP4s and then translate them into MP3s so I can trim some stuff off the videos and one of my music videos is too quiet compared to the rest.

annoyingly my old walkman is worse than my PSP in some ways. and a modern walkman is hecking pricey.
but if you copy files to the wrong folder, you gotta delete them and recopy them instead of moving them......

the PSP was insanely awesome.

[peak marsh]

They still are. There's an extremely active modding community for the PSP

Actually if you have one kicking around/can find one cheap, there's a lot you can do with one

[vague galleon]

I never got into "hacking" my consoles and stuff but that stuf is cool.

[peak marsh]

It makes for a fun tinkering project, since with the PSP afaik you can do all the "hacking" through software. It's part of why I'm excited for the Miyoo A30 I'm getting tomorrow, it's going to be fun to tinker with and for $40 I'm not worried about anything getting messed up

[vague galleon]

sadly im on my 4th PSP because I somewhat or very much broke my second PSP......
(2 and 4 were both 3000s) 1. was a 1000 and I upgraded but then i wrecked my 3000 and so I got a 2000 to replace it and then later on they had a PSP 3000 for 100 bucks with 4 games, 2 of which I kept.

ive had 2-3 PSP batteries bloat on me, and I jsut bought a new one, then found a nonbloated one in storage

[peak marsh]

Yeah just double checked and modern modding for PSP is all softmod, no hardware/soldering involved

And you can get into all kinds of stuff like replacing the OS/Frontend, customizing the look of it, homebrew and emulation, etc

So great no cost tinkering options with no expertise needed

[peak marsh]

Going back to this, the more I think of it the more it kind of boggles my mind that there isn't some kind of mini music player option. Like, the tech is absolutely there and if you could make one around the size of a credit card with a reasonable battery life, I think there would be a market for it. Like, people who want to play music while working or exercising but don't want to drain their phone battery to do it

[vague galleon]

there's TONS of cheap randomly named garbage chinese ones. but good ones? no.

this is the perfect size.

but it lacks many features.

(i mean I still like my massive brick xune but this is more practical)

but this lacks a lot of features I want in 2025 and the more recent ones are like 300 bucks.

[peak marsh]

Yeah most of what I'm seeing are like knockoff iPods

[vague galleon]

i almost spent 30-40 on one that mentioned MP4 but didnt want to risk my money on it.

[peak marsh]

A lot of it looks like future e-waste

And yeah, there's a Sony one for like $400

Which is an awful, awful lot for such a specalized piece of hardware

[vague galleon]

my current issue with my modern playlist is that I just downloaded a bunch of youtube videos and now I need to trim/edit a handful and make them MP3s.

[peak marsh]

Like, I'm sure it's fine but that's extremely steep for a piece of tech that basically does one thing

[vague galleon]

oh thats newer than the last one I saw.

I paid less than 100 for mine back in like 2015ish and it wasnt the newest version.

[peak marsh]

Meanwhile the other options all look more or less like this:

[vague galleon]

ya

[peak marsh]

It's all rich man/poor man with no in between

[vague galleon]

i bought one ages ago at walmart and having it actually play my songs in the proper order was near impossible so i returned it.

[peak marsh]

Side note, the Odin 2 mini has my eye for a streaming handheld. Mostly because I love the PSP/PS Vita style shape of it

But at $450-500 it's far from an impulse buy

[vague galleon]

"what" do I need to stream? say I wanted to twitch my enshrouded games.

although what do you mean streaming handheld? for streaming games to it or for streaming games for others to watch?

[peak marsh]

Streaming games from your PC to play on a handheld, like in bed or on the couch

[vague galleon]

ah

[peak marsh]

Beyond that it's all software, like Steam has built in game streaming software and there are other free 3rd party options

If you were wanting to stream to something like Twitch you just need a streaming box like OBS

[vague galleon]

im just wondering if I need extra RAM or something.

box? OBS?

[peak marsh]

Nah, it mostly depends on your WiFi

[vague galleon]

dont use much wifi, hardwire is better.

[peak marsh]

Yeah but that's what you would use for a streaming handheld, just connect to your WiFi network and your PC basically does all the processing, then sends the image to the handheld, meanwhile the handheld relays control inputs back to the PC

So effectively you're sitll playing on the PC, you're just doing it through a device, meaning the specs on the device don't matter as much because it's not doing any of the actual rendering

Like, you still need a solidly beefy device to handle the information in real time but it's not like a Steam Deck situation where it actually has to run the game natively. The downside is you can take a Steam Deck anywhere and still play, while with streaming you're basically locked to your local Wifi unless you want to pay for an internet based streaming service

Something like Nvidia GeForce Now etc

[peak marsh]

But for local streaming you'd use software, like I say Steam has a built in option or there's a program suite called Apollo and Artemis, where Apollo runs on the PC and broadcasts while Artemis receives the broadcast and transmits the inputs

[vague galleon]

ya, it's kind of tempting to stream while I play cause why not but i feel like there are headaches that come with that.

[peak marsh]

Kinda belated but I randomly came across this one in my YT suggestions while looking at other things, it's probably the closest while being reasonably decent. That said it's towards the more expensive end of the "lower tier" handhelds at $80-90, but it'll run up to some PSP and Dreamcast and has WiFi

WiFi is important on everything but the cheapest of the handhelds because of things like software updates, scraping box art, etc. Anything but the most extremely basic handheld should have some form of connectivity be it Bluetooth or WiFi

[vague galleon]

90 bucks doesnt sound bad.

[peak marsh]

Plus it has HDMI out so you can basically consolize it if you want to

[vague galleon]

does it come with set games or let you pick what you want.

[peak marsh]

Anbernic always gives you an SD card with a bunch of games preloaded but it's not hard to find and add what you want

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GfilkFTRU8E -Here's a more in-depth review if it has your interest

It can even do lightweight PC ports

[timber prism]

Yeah. Its kind of a hard sell bc smart phones do everything and more.

Seems like such an novelty item to own

[vague galleon]

i hate the idea of a pure touchscreen game. gimme buttons.

[timber prism]

That really offers nothing better

[peak marsh]

My thought is there must be people who use it enough that they don't want to drain their phones for music

[vague galleon]

thats one of my biggest issues

and with my S20, just having a basic app to play MY MP3s is annoying to get going.

[timber prism]

I mean i can listen to my phone for 8 hours and its not even at 85%

[vague galleon]

no playlist option, no sorting, why........

[vague galleon]

my phone drained battery at like 2% a song.

[timber prism]

Uhhhhh

Lmao

[vague galleon]

and no I refuse to use spotify.

[timber prism]

That's crazy

[vague galleon]

it may be because I was doing youtube >_>

[timber prism]

Yeah. I use Spotify, SoundCloud, amazon

All have playlists

[vague galleon]

ya, im not using amazon or itunes or any of that.

I have MP3s and MP4s. just give me an app that lets me play them with a playlist or something. or i can number them

does winamp do that? I wonder.

[timber prism]

Streaming to various devices through phone

Not sure. For home if I actually want any music to have its always flac

[vague galleon]

at home I just use VLC on my computer.

[timber prism]

Man. I haven't heard the word Winamp in a long time lmao

Poor llama

[vague galleon]

it's llama tested and mother aproved.

[timber prism]

Yeah. It was my fav when I was into Milkdrop

[vague galleon]

whats milkdrop?

[peak marsh]

Basically trippy stuff that happens in time with your music

Kinda takes me back, I remember stuff like that for Winamp/Yamp xD

[timber prism]

Sorry. Flight took off haha

Just got internet xd

[peak marsh]

Also sorry, meant to reply that to @vague galleon

[timber prism]

Yeah. I was basically the best visualizer at the time when Winamp was really big @vague galleon

[vague galleon]

ive never really deep dived into tech

[peak marsh]

Just noticed, @tepid wadi if you have a sec, the person above is spamming their YT vid in every channel

Ironically every channel except #self-promo xD

[vague galleon]

ya, I noticed that too. XD

[tepid wadi]

Thanks for the heads up, I got rid of the posts. At least it was an enshrouded video, heh

[peak marsh]

The plot twist is the video was sponsored by Mr Beast

[tepid wadi]

Weird

[peak marsh]

(joking, I didn't actually watch the video xD)

[floral prairie]

Whos excited for 2.0 in 7 days to die coming out monday

[obtuse scroll]

I thought 2.0 wasn't out until June 30th. The Monday was supposed to be a beta release wasn't it?

[floral prairie]

Yeah monday is exprimental but i always play of experiemental, there are rarely any big bugs when they release

[obtuse scroll]

ahh, I'm still trying to beat 1.0 before 2.0 comes out, so I will skip experimental lol

[obtuse scroll]

There are quite a few streamers playing though. I have seen many deaths lol

[floral prairie]

i havent seen or looked over every thing implemented, but i played on max difficulty usually, i do die alot at the start just need to get a gun and play that skill tree. Usually max out looting in the beginning

[obtuse scroll]

I'm playing the agility? tree. Pistols and knives. I like that one more than others.

[floral prairie]

one big thing for horde nights aswell is if u dont care much about xp there are trader horde bases using a sledge hammer and certain build u can launch them into the trader place while is closed, then once blood moon is over, u can molly the group and its easy pickins

[obtuse scroll]

My horde base has held up pretty well. I just make sure to spend every horde night in the starting area. It seems to keep them from spawning the really crazy things so far. LOL

[floral prairie]

i am curious how much the end game zone will change, it was pretty difficult but at a certain point it got little to easy, so wonder if they ramped it up

[obtuse scroll]

None of the streamers I watch have gotten there yet lol

[floral prairie]

did they change the system where u have toi complete a zone to move onto the next? cause use to be able to go to any biome u wanted

[tepid wadi]

I haven't played 7d2d in a while, I might check it out before 2.0 happens

[obtuse scroll]

No, you can go to any area you want from what I can tell.

[floral prairie]

ah so one one is brave enough to go straight to the end game zone ey

[obtuse scroll]

LOL they're streamers, they aren't going to skip straight to the end. Doesn't make for the best streamer weekend if you finish in an hour

[floral prairie]

eh true, forgot streamers are a different biological creature on this earth XD

[obtuse scroll]

Might want to, it makes the game harder come 2.0.

[tepid wadi]

Does it make the game more interesting though?

I've wanted them to do things like add new traps for a long time

[floral prairie]

forsure, they add alot of shiz

[obtuse scroll]

A lot of people wouldn't head straight to the end. I like to take my time with games

[obtuse scroll]

They've changed a lot of stuff. I don't know the full extent, but I know they added new POIs and stuff. No idea if there are new traps

[tepid wadi]

Fair enough, might have to start thinking about a new horde base style to try out

[floral prairie]

i cant wait for the mining new tier 5, it looks so fun and we dont have many ungerground pois

[tepid wadi]

I actually love the stealth bow build for 7d2d. That + Blades + Handguns has always been fun

[floral prairie]

wonder if shotgun has been tamed down a bit, i know the tier 4 auto shotgun destroys end game

[covert salmon]

You'd be surprised. Speedrunner community is huge.

[obtuse scroll]

We were speaking about streamers I was watching. Which would not be speed runners. I don't enjoy people that don't spend time enjoying a game.

[frank sonnet]

i hate speed runners too

[obtuse scroll]

I don't hate them, I just don't like the content. I get people like to challenge themselves to be faster, better, etc at games. It's just not for me. I don't find it entertaining and I think it's kind of insulting to devs who spend so much time making it only to have people try to end a game as soon as it starts.

[hollow barn]

It's insulting to the devs that those kind of people spend thousands of hours playing their game?

[frank sonnet]

i guess my frustration is that it bleads over into game types that arn't meant to be played like that

[light escarp]

For me it depends. If you play (any) game and love it and play it the way it's "meant" to be played, and then want to challenge yourself with a speed run, that's one thing. If you pick up a game for the only purpose of trying to break it, which a lot of the time is what speedrunning requires you to do, and that's the only interest you have in said game, then that feels a little off to me

[obtuse scroll]

Yeah, those are the speed runners that I don't like. I have seen someone spend 100s of hours on a game the normal way and then want to see how fast they can beat it. That's okay.

It's just so many of the ones I see out there, go, 'this game just came out, I'm gonna beat it before anyone else can as fast as I can without caring one bit about the story'. Games are meant to be enjoyed, speed runners that do that, don't even pretend to enjoy it.

[light escarp]

But also I guess people could interpret what I mentioned as "well play the game the way I like to play it or you're wrong" and that understandably rubs people the wrong way

Speedrunning isn't usually my cup of tea re: streamers in general, I like a more low-key stream on in the background, but I understand why it's a thing people like to do

"I only intend to play this game to exploit all the loopholes in it and for no other reason" isn't fun for me, but to each their own

[obtuse scroll]

Yep, I enjoy watching streamers that enjoy the game they are playing. Many of them go on to play mods with the games after beating them too. It's interesting to watch (especially when I know it's a mod I won't ever play - some of them are very hard lol).

[hollow barn]

This comes over as if people who speedrun games aren't enjoying it. (Not including those people who just run through a game to finish it and wanting more content just because they finished it in a day)

[covert salmon]

Enjoyment is subjective. You may not enjoy it, but they do. And you're in a public forum so please try not to gaslight topics as if they revolve around your interests. Thank you.

[runic basin]

To be fair, anyone who speedruns has likely played the game for hundreds of hours and loves it deeply

[tranquil cove]

the problem with speed runners, usually has to do with the ones who ruin coop games for new players. speed running the map and leaving everyone behind. they have some self-esteem issues or narcissism, where they need to show off how good they are by basically screwing everyone over rather than doing it by helping the players win a map they can win and already won 1000 times solo. this is generally why people dislike speed runners and lump them into a negative category.

but even the solo speed runners have issues, because if you get close to their time, like if they complete a map in 3 minutes, or a game in 12 hours, and you get close to their time, like 3 minutes and 20 seconds, or 12 hours and 20 minutes. they still consider themselves above you and a better player, and say something to the effect of "that 20 seconds, or 20 minutes is the difference between a god and an average player"... in other words they think it means more than it does. when in reality that player who is 20 seconds off is basically just as good, since sometimes in speed runs luck is a factor. no one can really appreciate this looking down on others or conflated sense of self importance.

if you take this to a loot coop game, then speed running just becomes annoying as a new player, because the speed runner rushes to all the chests or loot areas first, and sees every item and takes the best ones. you as a new player can't get a sense for what the drops are in the game at certain stages in the game, or locations, so you're actually being deprived of learning information that would help you understand the game better and navigate it. and i always have to ask the speed runner, what was in the chest? couldn't you have waited literally 40 seconds for me to catch up so i could look in the chest too and see what was inside before you dry looted it all and threw me scraps?

basically the only time speed running is acceptable is in a game designed to be completed fast together as a team, or a solo run, where maybe the speed runner wants to make a video and upload it... play however you want alone, in a coop game you need to bring your standards down or find other speed runners to play with.

one of the games i'm really good at, i could speed run the maps, i choose not to. instead i help new players. way more fun. i already know i can beat a map in 2 minutes and set a record, so why do i need to do it? i have nothing to prove. i don't need to make a video or show people in my run i can do it. it's much more fun for me to help new players win a map, that i already know i can win 1000 times and have won 1000 times. but for them, it might be their first time.

the concept just seems silly to me. like don't speed runners know they can do it? so why are they doing it. lol. this only happens for me in a racing game. i play a lot of those too.

i don't need to make every game a racing game.

[hollow barn]

What game has actual speedrunners that play it coop with random new players?

[tranquil cove]

any coop game you can speed run? basically, and has match making.

what stops a player from entering and speedrunning? the game i was talking about specficially is No More Room In Hell, zombie game.

Barony is actually another one, but at least that one you invite people. No matchmaking I think. The issue being that the friend I was playing it with speed runs, because its in his nature to do that, and it was annoying as hell. His girlfriend even quit the game because he does everything too fast. So even when you invite friends it can happen because you're not aware of all your friends habits, which may vary game to game.

[hollow barn]

Aren't you confusing speedrunners with impatient people? Since from what I saw on the leaderboard it's either a premade duo or singleplayer times

[tranquil cove]

One of the guys my group played enshrouded with sped run a lot, or we could say is just very fast and rushes everywhere. So our group often forced him to wait until everyone arrived before he started things. Since there was like 6 of us?

[round beacon]

that has literaly nothing to do with speedrunning 🤣

[tranquil cove]

yeah well we give the official title speed runner to someone who uploades a run they did solo usually, and i'm saying this is less of a problem, except when you encounter one of these guys who has an ego about being the best player becuase they were faster than you by 20 seconds.

but it doesn't mean the speeder doesn't enter coop games and rushes them too

[hollow barn]

That isn't a speedrunner tho, it's an entitled person

[tranquil cove]

how are you defining speedrunner?

the same way but just less entitled?

there are people like that too

[round beacon]

actual...REAL speedrunners.who take the craft serious and support the actual community... would NEVER EVER speedrun a coop game to spoil it for others let alone look down on people.

[tranquil cove]

yeah there are people like that too

those are good people

it could also depend on the game, some games can somehow bring out a more toxic community.

[round beacon]

those are speedrunners. everyone who doesnt follow the unwritten rules isnt considered one. simple as that. speedrunners have a codex. which isnt to say there isnt black sheep. but those black sheep sort themselves out eventually anyway by cheating or other dumb egoistic stuff.

[short sail]

Speed runners in my book are the guys trying to still break Mario 64 even more despite rubbing Marios lower cheeks at a staircase already

For a better time to finish the game etc.

[tranquil cove]

oh those guys yeah

[short sail]

Guys who rush a games content to be done with are just grasshoppers

[round beacon]

Exactly. dedicated people who dont care about any marketing, no drama, no press stuff, no hype. they just do their thing and want to push further and further

[short sail]

Or really entitled people

[tepid wadi]

Yeah, speedrunners are a different breed of gamer.

[round beacon]

the funny thing is... speedrunners.. the actual ones.. are some of THE most patient gamers there are 😅

[tepid wadi]

Yeah, I definitely dont have the patience to plan a "perfect" run, then try as many times as it takes to execute it. I've watched some Dark Souls speed runs, and they're absolutely nutty.

[round beacon]

aye. or look at Trackmania "speedrunners" - they fight for a tenth of a second... on courses that take them HOURS to complete sometimes... its ridiculous how patient these guys have to be^^

[hollow barn]

Don't forget the luck needed for certain skips

[tranquil cove]

i play trackmania

the old one though, f the new one

[round beacon]

oh heall jeah. and NOT to kill your keyboard after 5 hours of course, to then get clipped at a corner and have to start again... and actualy DO start again instead of rage quitting...

[tranquil cove]

i don't like ice on the new trackmania, also the monetization scheme

game should have been $60 and you get everything free, and can fully customize car for free

[round beacon]

dont realy know much about that, let alone do i realy care. i know trackmania is still big and runnin with a large community that simply plays the game for what it is. every game that has a shitty montization modell is a sad thing. but these guys seem to be able to still play it they way its ment to be played. so i dont realy ask to many questions

[tranquil cove]

one guys reddit post lol

on season passes

trackmanias community is split between 3 games, the first game: trackmania nations forever, and then trackmania stadium (the one i play), and there is trackmania canyon? but not sure anyone plays that one. and trackmania the new one.

i've also played nations forever occasionally.

some trackmania players basically cheat to win

they use AI to run the track and find the best lines

then they copy what the AI did, so yeah they are doing it themelves, but they found the process through a cheaty way.

some have outright cheated

[round beacon]

funny enough, that isnt considered cheating by the trackmania speed community. its a tool, aslong as its made clear they used it, and then present a legit self done run

[tranquil cove]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VnxbkH_3E_4 good video

[round beacon]

and yes. monetization sucks these days. not many games that actualy do it right.
Warframe one of the few where i absolutely dont mind it

jeah i know wirtual, hes a good one

[tranquil cove]

also there is this

https://youtu.be/Dw3BZ6O_8LY

lol

[round beacon]

i actualy like that stuff. its fun to watch, and the guys very upfront about what hes doin

[hollow barn]

Redoing a TAS speedrun still is basically impossible

[tranquil cove]

yeah, you can redo elements of it

but combining it all in 1 run? impossibly hard

[hollow barn]

You can take the racing line but the very inputs is pretty much impossible

[tranquil cove]

this convo also reminded me of this video, not quite the same as speed runners https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GuJ5UuknsHU

but still about gamers who want to beat a game

[round beacon]

well technically its the same thing, just a different category, so absolutely legit. this is just the highest category, the 100% complete cat

Speedruns are mistaken for just that often times. its not always ONLY about speed in of itself, if you look at how many different categorys there are.

[tranquil cove]

tetris is longest game? so yeah seems like endurance runs

but you also need speed, even though the game sets the pace, you need speed in being able to even do later levels, as the blocks drop so fast

[round beacon]

exactly.
just like trackmania climb runs for example. you have to do them slow, steady, to be able to complete them the fastest^^

[hollow barn]

Deep Dip WR begs to differ

[short sail]

Watch me now.
Doing my 100% speed run with all coins and #noglitches in Luigis Mansion.

[tepid wadi]

My all coins no glitches enshrouded speedrun went really fast.

[short sail]

That's not normal bullying anymore.
That's moderated bullying now.

[floral prairie]

dear god, 7 days to die discord is a warzone rn

[frank sonnet]

what happened?

[floral prairie]

People are wanting to know the 2.0 Exp release, and devs said it would be anywhere from 12pm today to 12pm June 17, and people are getting mad casue they said it would release today, others are attacking others casue some took pto to play it, people are constintly asking when it will release. Just chaos

they changed general chat to slow mode, with a 5 min delay, otherwise it would be even more chaotic

[frank sonnet]

good lord

[finite saffron]

That game seems to have one of the more diehard/unhinged fanbases that I'm aware of lol

[floral prairie]

yeahhhhh its come or go with the community

[sweet patrol]

I have met some people that treat that game like its a dang religion......

[peak marsh]

7D2D and Rust vie for the top of that list

[finite saffron]

oh yeah I definitely know of worse ones lol

[peak marsh]

True. At least it's not the League of Legends fanbase

Joining that Discord should come with a free hazmat suit

[sweet patrol]

LoL discord groups are scary......

[frank sonnet]

and a flame thrower

[sweet patrol]

Then for any that are familiar there are the followers of the pale path over in the Monster Hunter discord

[peak marsh]

I avoid most MH groups because I feel like it would make me enjoy the series less

[sweet patrol]

Thats very fair

[peak marsh]

Most MH fans I encounter outside of those are pretty friendly so I stick to that xD

[frank sonnet]

that's my philosophy for all fandoms

[hollow barn]

Same honestly goes for Souls groups

[peak marsh]

Yet if you run across a souls fan in say, this discord, they're just excited to meet another fan

[sweet patrol]

I have said it once and I will say it again. The community in this discord is downright wholesome!

[peak marsh]

Yeah, this is easily one of the best Discord communities I've been a part of

https://www.eurogamer.net/minecrafts-vibrant-visuals-update-finally-has-a-release-date - So, basically what Minecraft Forge already let you do?

[frank sonnet]

and probably worse than any shaders

[floral prairie]

ITS OUT 2.0 Drop everything u have its time to game

[obtuse scroll]

I stick to the outskirts of their fanbase lol. I have a few 7d2d streamers and some are mod makers. I thankfully have never been to their discord to see the crazy O.O

[tepid wadi]

That's kinda how I treat fanbases in general

[obtuse scroll]

Except Enshrouded, in which you became a mod LOL

[tepid wadi]

I was peer pressured by some of the other mods in the early days 😝

But folks here are mostly wholesome enough

[frank sonnet]

its mostly tame though once in a blood moon other games becomes a battle ground

[peak marsh]

Even then it's usually civil enough

People's mothers are generally left unscathed

[frank sonnet]

Though sometimes hamsters get brought up usually by a French guy

[sweet patrol]

Coulda sworn he was a chipmunk???

[misty arch]

https://www.ign.com/articles/nexus-mods-owner-steps-down-after-24-years-to-focus-on-mental-health

[vague galleon]

[peak marsh]

Meh, my new toy got pushed to the late delivery window -.-

[obtuse scroll]

That's always the case when you're waiting for something

[peak marsh]

True story

Earlier it was 12:45 - 3PM so I was hoping maybe I'd see it a little after work. Now I'm going to have to stay up "late" to wait for it -.-

(I get up for work at 3 am so 5:45 is already getting awfully close to bedtime)

[obtuse scroll]

Ouch, yeah, that's going to be hard if it doesn't come til the end time.

[peak marsh]

https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC3IYhdamzjvEJ9CwkQa4RAw/community?lb=Ugkx0NnwgevP2QCG-dEk9o9hrTQW-cZKyFq6 -Looks like another chonky boi but I like that they're getting outside of the usual box (or rectangle, if you will)

Granted it's just a prototype mockup, but also I'm not sure how you could make it much thinner with two screens + controls

[frank sonnet]

sheesh the market is going to get saturated fast

[peak marsh]

Oh, it's plenty saturated now thanks to Anbernic alone

Someone made a clamshell GBA SP style handheld, so they released 7, yes 7, over the course of like 4 months xD

Thing is thanks to how quickly cell phones advance there's all this mobile tech collecting dust in warehouses, so at least it's being used for interesting things. Personally I like the idea of a dual screen DS style setup

It's just making one that's actually ergonomic/pocketable

https://www.youtube.com/shorts/lx8yGl6Q6WE

[peak marsh]

Victory is mine

New toy get

[timber prism]

what are you playing on said toy?

I finished my dopamine for the day

[peak marsh]

Right now I'm playing "stare at the red light while it takes it's initial charge" xD

[timber prism]

FUN lmao

[peak marsh]

But once it's done I'll probably try out a few emulators initially, then get under the hood and install some custom firmware

[timber prism]

how powerful is it?

emulating SNES etc?

[peak marsh]

One thing with these devices is their stock operating systems almost universally suck xD

[timber prism]

or like PS2?

[peak marsh]

It can do up to PS1 stable, and some Dreamcast, Saturn, and PSP

[timber prism]

Neat!

[peak marsh]

I got it mostly as an "everyday carry" kind of handheld. Something I can throw in my pocket or lunch bag and forget about until I need it. The size is great, it's about the size of an original NES controller which kind of blows my mind, if you told 8 year old me I'd eventually have a cordless NES controller that can play Dreamcast I'd have lost my mind xD

Not that I would have known what a Dreamcast is xD

It appeals to me on several levels: playing retro games, tinkering with tech stuff, and micro tech

I just find small tech impressive and cool xD

I also want to mess around with Pico 8 once everything is set up

PICO-8 is a virtual machine and game engine created by Lexaloffle Games. It is a fantasy video game console[3] that mimics the limited graphical and sound capabilities of the old 8-bit systems of the 1980s to encourage creativity and ingenuity in producing games without being overwhelmed with the many possibilities of modern tools and machines. Such limitations also give PICO-8 games a particular look and feel

Celeste was originally made in Pico 8 for a game jam, for example

[peak marsh]

Is that from a new pack? Or did you buy individually?

[timber prism]

bought a box of boosters and opened all the packs haha.. gotta get that dopamine rush XD

Going through them putting my fav art into toploaders and then gonna frame them like a poster

[sweet patrol]

Magic makes FF cards????

[timber prism]

Yeah. Just released recently

[covert salmon]

Is that the one with a pack worth over 1k?

[timber prism]

Probably the collectors edition. This is the normal box

https://www.reddit.com/r/skyrimmods/s/fy2Mg7XV6Y

[vague galleon]

boy im glad i barely mod anymore.
guess ill just go touch grass.

[peak marsh]

So you now have Bethesda charging for mods on one side and now potentially Nexus charging on the other

[frank sonnet]

technically that would not be a mod anymore thats dlc

[floral prairie]

[vague galleon]

we should start a new website NOW.

[peak marsh]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J8rfjfEXc-U

[vague galleon]

https://youtube.com/shorts/ixlj4H0S0To?si=QyvX6ksk6p3oaXT3

[tranquil cove]

90% of those nsfw mods come from another website anyway. 😆 so even if nexus mods somehow banned the mods - as if* that would make sense... in an age where steam now allows developers to upload NSFW games... you could still get those mods at the origin site.

[peak marsh]

I mean, the issue isn't that you could probably find them somewhere else, it's that for over two decades Nexus has been one of the biggest free repositories for game mods and the overall modding community. Having that get paywalled and splintered would be a huge loss for gaming

New toy update: Custom firmware and BIOS files installed Now scraping box art, next step is getting Pico 8 running on it xD

[covert salmon]

I lowkey disagree. A big portion of gamers are weebs. Crunchyroll used to be the site to watch for free shows, then it turned into paid content later and has thrived. It'll depend on how much Nexus may charge imo.

[peak marsh]

I mean, not only is that not an equivalent parallel, it's also an insulting one. Disregarding the second, in the first, you're comparing established companies releasing media properties to bedroom coders and homebrew developers working on what in many cases are their first projects and limiting how they can find an audience is an absolute negative no matter how you slice it

[covert salmon]

Agree to disagree. Crunchyroll went from pirated content to authorized paid content. Depending on the mod it can change the entire aspect of the game, even turning it into its own. How many mods came from DayZ that became their own games? More than one. Depending on how one thinks about it, the code was stolen (pirated) and made to profit for themselves. You can say all you want is not an equivalent parallel. I'm just going to disagree more with you. So let's end that discussion here since we won't find middle ground.

Correction: DayZ was a mod for Arma 2. My bad.

[peak marsh]

Far far far from the case. Equating DayZ/Arma mods becoming full products to piracy is wild. If Blizzard couldn't make that case against DotA I'm not sure you're doing it here xD

[covert salmon]

Again, agree to disagree. If we're not going to find a middle ground then I'm ending this discussion.

[obtuse scroll]

Scum went 1.0 today, who plays that

[peak marsh]

That's very convenient xD

[covert salmon]

This community is toxic. I swear xD

[peak marsh]

Don't test your opinion against dissenting opinion through discussion, just declare it and quit the discussion xD

[obtuse scroll]

One person disagreeing isn't toxic, it's called discussion, but the conversation is over because it's just going to get testy. Let's move to other games, so many things are releasing this month, whether it's EA titles going 1.0 or games going to their next updates. Let's focus on the fun

[peak marsh]

In my opinion bleach is a vegetable. Chat GPT agrees with me. I refuse to discuss it further xD

[obtuse scroll]

Bleach is an anime...tell me I'm wrong :p

[peak marsh]

Well I mean.. yeah, I can't argue with that xD

[obtuse scroll]

Have you played Dune? A lot of my streamers have been playing it, but for some reason I find it really boring -_-. I don't know why, I love survival crafters, I love scifi....but it's just not any fun to me

[peak marsh]

Thing is I've been following Force as he plays/reviews it, and it feels like it's still early days. Especially with what he showcases in his latest review, the enemy AI looks braindead and you need a strong PvE element for what they want to do

[obtuse scroll]

Yeah, right now it is pretty focused on PvP, which I guess would drive me away, I am not super into PvP. PvP was also what drove me away from Pax Dei

[peak marsh]

Well but, even with PVP from what he shows at least, the draw distance is too short so you can't spot enemy players from across the desert, and if you're on the on the ground not only can you not do anything against players in the air, you're 15 seconds and counting from running away from a sand worm

[obtuse scroll]

That and the grind...OMG the grind in Pax Dei was worse than any other MMO I'd played

[obtuse scroll]

Seen a few people eaten by worms lol

[peak marsh]

It just feels a little half baked to me from what I've seen. That said it definitely has my attention, if they can smooth out some of the rougher edges it seems like it'd be a lot of fun

[peak marsh]

Pax feels kind of like the "this decade" take on Life is Feudal

Overbearingly grindy and vast with nothing to fill the empty spaces

"You can build and do whatever you want" but 200 hours later you're still gathering rocks in a loincloth

[obtuse scroll]

So much grind....and even when you level beyond a thing, you fail the easy lev 1 recipes. Like, no, you don't do that

[frank sonnet]

poor grind/reward balance eh?

[vague galleon]

@peak marsh hey now man, dont be toxic! that's Prim's job!

anyway, asked about the nexus mod in another discord and it seems nexus isnt worth it anyway?

itch.io is also pretty good for mods
mod.io 
Curseforge exists but it is in the late stage enshittification
still not as bad as nexusmods, but it's trading apples for oranges```

[vague galleon]

the heck

[obtuse scroll]

Very much so on Pax Dei. You have to craft the base stuff to make the more advanced stuff but even if you're on the advanced stuff, it still fails you on the first level recipes a lot of the time. It makes you have to grind more of the basic mats for no reason

[tepid wadi]

Yeah, Pax Dei's progression balancing leaves a lot to be desired

[frank sonnet]

reminds me of ark

[peak marsh]

Again it reminds me so much of just an updated Life is Feudal

[obtuse scroll]

I never played Ark, somehow I hadn't even heard about it until about like 6 months ago.

[vague galleon]

I never did play life is fedual, seemed interesting, too expensive for what it was.

[peak marsh]

Pretty sure Josh Strife Hayes did Life is Feudal on "Worst MMO ever"

[peak marsh]

I tried the mmo. It was rough

[vague galleon]

seemed like quite a slog of a game.

[peak marsh]

I guess the single player version is better but EH if the MMO is any indication, I'm good xD

[vague galleon]

back in the old old days I considred sims medieval many times, never bought it, probably would have hated it.

[obtuse scroll]

I never played any of the sims games, I was playing JRPGs and RPGs, or shooters by the time those became popular

[vague galleon]

i have briefly played a few.

i dont know what kind of person would enjoy them.

[obtuse scroll]

It seems to be a big mix. I had one friend in high school though that was obsessed with playing sims 24/7

[vague galleon]

I bought 2 for GC one and returned it by the end of the day (bought it used for like 9 bucks, sold it back for 6)
I spent 8-9 hours playing it and made ZERO progress AND you cant ever leave your house. you cant even walk down the street.

[peak marsh]

Box art get time to look into custom frontends

[vague galleon]

i own 3 and a bunch of DLC and wanted to make a wizard tower but after seeing 5 floors were make I havent played it since, but, eh, im sure 3 isnt terrible. i hear 4 kinda sucked

[vague galleon]

Nerd.

[obtuse scroll]

I won't say much, my switch has the zelda skin on it LOL

[vague galleon]

i wish i owned every zelda DS, and that purple galaxy 3DS............... sigh.

[obtuse scroll]

I wish Nintendo would get over themselves and release the Zeldas on PC. I really want to play them but I don't want to buy their web service which is the only way to play the old ones.

[vague galleon]

meh

i have a long list of playstation games i'm dieing to play on PC though.

also ive played zelda games on PC. 😉

[obtuse scroll]

I don't do simulators and that's technically stealing so we don't talk those in this discord :p

[brazen fern]

Sorry about this, have only just seen the discussion about Nexus, where I am a paid member of the site - so I have a vested interest in what is happeneing there. There is a FAQ on what is happening regards the cvhange over. it is stated quite definitively that Mods will continue to be, and will forever remain free, nor will they ever charge to download mods. If you have a Lifetime Premium Membership (like i do...) then it remain as such - life time means lifetime!

[vague galleon]

is it though? cant steal what isnt sold.

[vague galleon]

I mean, dogs only live for 15 years or so.

[obtuse scroll]

It's sold on their game store as a service, so technically a game that can be stolen

[vague galleon]

ya we see what you got there.

[peak marsh]

While I have thoughts, I know the server frowns upon certain discussions so I'll simply be tinkering with my new toy xD

[brazen fern]

I am not getting into that sort of argument, I am only passing on the details from the FAQ - look it up if you wish.

[obtuse scroll]

My husband uses Nexus for his Fallout mods, it would suck if those people can't get ahold of their mods anymore.

[peak marsh]

Oh you're good, we were commenting on the other discussion going on, not what you said. I hope they honor it, Nexus has been serving the community for years and years and the best thing would be if it continues to do so

[brazen fern]

The comment several above you was referring to what I said, which i why i remarked!

[vague galleon]

my question though is, what if you DONT have a premium membership?

[brazen fern]

Then ask them!

"What restrictions are going to be placed on free accounts?
None. Free accounts stay as they are.!"

directly from the FAQ

Suggest you look at the FAQ that was posted

[peak marsh]

I hope it stays that way. We can't know what changes new ownership may make in the future but hopefully they're minimal if at all

[peak marsh]

(some toy-tinkering later) Yeah, Nintendo are horrible about gatekeeping their catalog

[obtuse scroll]

They don't seem to understand that we would all pay the price to have them on PC. They'd make more money than they would just keeping it on their online service

[peak marsh]

Then tying it to some premium purchase or subscription service

[peak marsh]

I mean it's all the more frustrating because the Wii U marketplace was a thing. They were selling individual games for $4.99 and making money hand over fist. Thoughts about how consumer friendly it was aside, it was a completely viable and successful business model

[obtuse scroll]

Or if they are really so greedy about the sub service, then just make it available on PC.

[peak marsh]

They would seriously make so much money and I mean frankly, I know the Jack Sparrow word is verboten here, but it's almost always an issue of convenience: If it's better and more convenient to pay for a thing, people will pay for the thing

If you make it excessively expensive or a pain in the ass, shenanigans happen

And Nintendo routinely makes it a pain in the ass by only making certain things available on a waxing moon on the third Thursday and only having enough available for the first 300 customers

[obtuse scroll]

With Switch 2 they sold more this time. People were amazed by the sales number and I was like, cause they made more, not because it was more popular....

[peak marsh]

Meaning your only legitimate option is the third party aftermarket where the thing that they sold for $30 now costs $200

[peak marsh]

Exactly. Which cracks me up because of all the poor scalpers who bought 75 Switch 2s and are now stuck with them xD

But also absolutely. This feels like really the first Nintendo launch where they actually took the time to understand what their market is

[obtuse scroll]

I didn't get one though. I'm a Zelda person and there was no new Zelda at launch

[peak marsh]

Literally everything before this has been wax and wane, forced scarcity and such

[peak marsh]

Nah same, like literally the only Switch 2 specific game is Mario Kart, I can wait xD

I'm sure it's a really good Mario Kart but like, call me when Metroid Prime 4 or Dread 2 or unnamed Zelda sequel is here xD

Though the performance upgrades specifically to TOTK have my interests

TotK lsgged bad in certain spots, a consistent framerate sounds kind of awesome

[obtuse scroll]

Meh, I liked the games on my regular switch, I'm not interested in upgrades to the look when not even 10 years have passed since it was released.

[peak marsh]

I mean same, I play my Switch on the regular xD It's just on some games you could feel it's shortcomings. TotK and Witcher 3 are fine examples

[obtuse scroll]

The last game I played on my Switch was Final Fantasy 6 Pixel Remaster, I wasn't missing anything graphics wise lol

[peak marsh]

Also Monster Hunter Rise. Like even if it was optimized for Switch, as a MH fan I could feel the frames in some spots

[tepid wadi]

Listen, I'm just glad we're getting MH games on PC at all. I've been wanting that since the Wii days.

[peak marsh]

As a MH fan since the PSP I'm frankly amazed we have PC MH games xD

Capcom famously said they would never release a MH game on PC because it was a portable first game

Then low and behold, they release MH World and it's one of their best selling games of all time full stop

And they're just like "wait, there are people who aren't in Japan?!?"

"AND THEY HAVE MONEY??"

Unf

[misty arch]

it was a console game first

[peak marsh]

Is the most consternating part xD

They had such success on portables in Japan that htey completely ignored the fact xD

[misty arch]

well, more on US at the time then anything. The original MH was on playstation and this was a time when japanese developed games didnt sell well in the US or just didnt get imported to the US. My buddy got lucky and got the only copy any game store near us got.

Bottom line, kids these days are so lucky they dont have to worry about whether their game is going to be available in their country.

[peak marsh]

(it's bad photograpgy of Jet Grind Radio running on Dreamcast on the toy xD)

[tepid wadi]

Not "one of". It was the best selling capcom game ever, if I recall

[peak marsh]

The thing with MH is Capcom is very much a Japanese company with a Japan first mentality. They don't care about the rest of the world, or at least they didn't at the time, they only cared about how they did in Japan. Which made life frustrating for a US based Monster Hunter fan xD

And reallly it can't be understated, MH was pretty well received in the US but it was absolutely MASSIVE in Japan. Especially on portable systems where people could work in a 10 - 20 minute hunt on the train to work/school

Like between 2nd gen and 5th gen Monster Hunter was like, Dragon Quest levels of Japanese hype

Might still be, I only know about that range because that;s when I was most frustrated with US releases xD

Between the time of MHFU and Double Cross

[vague galleon]

ya but they shouldnt be charging 60 bucks for a remake of an SNES game with barely any changes and negative changes at that.

30 bucks tops.

[vague galleon]

the steam port sucks.

[peak marsh]

That's why I'm not playing the Steam port >.>

[vague galleon]

im still mad about that plus the lack of future plus not being able to find a completed save file

no game should ever lock away free roam!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[peak marsh]

I'm actually playing the Japanese Dreamcast version xD

[vague galleon]

lol, i used to play my brothers on DC sometimes, game got so scratched (not my fault, i take care of my stuff) that certain areas sometimes bugged out, at least i think it was the scratches lol

[peak marsh]

Jet "Grind" Radio

[vague galleon]

i cant remember which one is set and which one is grind lol

[peak marsh]

Set is US, Grind is Japan

[vague galleon]

bomb rush is kind of meh.
all the characters are purely cosmetic and there's a few characters they totally should have given you.

[obtuse scroll]

Uh, Square Enix did the pixel remasters they weren't $60 to me. Then again, I know that SE always does the holiday and season sales for all their products. I just wait til the product is 3-6 months and boom sale.

[vague galleon]

im talking about super mario RPG for the switch.

i did find a suspiciously good deal on it on ebay and everything seems to check out but, ya never know.

[obtuse scroll]

Oh yeah, every release is full price like it's brand new

[vague galleon]

SMRPG mostly just got a facelift.
at least link's awakening was a whole new game but im still not paying that much for a game with THAT ending.

[obtuse scroll]

It happens when someone plays what they want to play and then decides to get some of their money back and doesn't care as long as it sales fast

[vague galleon]

i think I bought it "new"

i also got a good deal on the second BOTW and the zelda zelda game, i think BOTW2 i bought used.

[peak marsh]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IJYK5tkgtvk SO FUNKY xD

[vague galleon]

heck yeah

dragula is such a random song for a game like this but man

now THAT is menu music!

[peak marsh]

Dude that song. Like, dude xD

And yeah, Dragula was random as hell xD

[vague galleon]

iim now remembering how much i dont care for bomb rush's music, minus 1-2 songs, or no, theres ONE song I dislike but I REALLY dislike it.

[peak marsh]

JGR had some amazing music

[obtuse scroll]

I liked Link's Awakening. I mean, with it being called Link's Awakening the ending wasn't much of a surprise. I don't mind the cost, just wish there was a few more hours of play to it.

[vague galleon]

Link's Awakening was my favorite zelda game.... UNTIL I beat it! that ending got me SO MAD

plus i was quite upset that I missed a few pieces of hearts because you could only get them during a certain window. -.-

but I love the oracle games with their rings and stuff.

[peak marsh]

It's worth noting that Link's Awakening was a port of a Gameboy game so longevity was never really in the cards. If you want some interesting Zelda on GBA Nintendo actually let Capcom make a game called Legend of Zelda: Minish Cap that's really really good

[vague galleon]

as much as i consider myself a zelda fanboy, i've played a shockingly few number of zelda games.

including nearly all the later DS games.

[obtuse scroll]

I've been playing the Zeldas as they show up on the switch lol, but sometimes I just don't feel it or they aren't out. I never played Minish Cap.

[peak marsh]

Mandatory Zelda playlist (IMO of course xD): Zelda NES, Zelda 2 NES, Link to the Past, Link's Awakening, Oracle of Seasons/Ages, Minish Cap, Ocarina of Time, Majora's Mask, Twilight Princess, Breath of the Wild, Tears of the Kingdom

[vague galleon]

ZELDA 2 IS NOT MANDATORY

[obtuse scroll]

I was very depressed by Skyward Sword

[vague galleon]

skyward sword's plot sucks. and link isnt even left handed.

[obtuse scroll]

Zelda 2 doesn't feel Zelda to me, I skip that one

[vague galleon]

i always wished for a better zelda with leveling up. never got it.

zelda 2 is trash. and im not just saying that cause i struggled in the dark cave. DONT JUDGE ME

i still need to finish 4 swords.....................

TFW you have no friends.

[peak marsh]

It's worth the time. Especially there's a fan remake by HoverBat called Link is Adventuresome, it cleans up a lot of the rough patches and helps the game stand on it's own

Zelda 2 is a great experience if you give it a chance xD

[frank sonnet]

i've heard zelda 2 is the black sheep of the franchise

[vague galleon]

true

[vague galleon]

never

[peak marsh]

It's called that, primarily by Miymoto himself, which is fair. But Also, It's still a great game made by Nintendo first-party developers. It gets too quickly brushed aside

[obtuse scroll]

I beat it, I didn't buy it not to, but I just didn't like it as much. It didn't give me the fun fantasy Zelda feel. It gave me more like a Castlevania feel for gameplay. It just wasn't for me

[peak marsh]

I can see that with the hard 2d platforming and attacking precision

[frank sonnet]

their is one thing zelda fans can agree on though

[vague galleon]

Midna is hot. nods knowingly Midna is best lady.

[obtuse scroll]

Uh, don't think that's the thing we can all agree on :p

[vague galleon]

*true form minda, not imp form, you freaks.

[frank sonnet]

nah its that the cdi games are terrible

[vague galleon]

i disagree,

infact, I might say

https://tenor.com/view/excuseme-princess-rude-snobby-sassy-gif-4929694

[peak marsh]

That series was bad. They did a better job with the characters but they leaned too hard into that "Moonlighting" aspect of character interaction

[vague galleon]

the show was, okay. but link and zelda in captain N(intendo) was better designed both in looks and personality.

[peak marsh]

(Moonlighting was a popular comedy/drama/romance series at the time, the main crux of the show was a male and a female character who had a hate/love relationship where they couldn't stand each other but were also attracted to each other)

[vague galleon]

to the moon? that show?

oh, nope

frigging John Mcclain!

[frank sonnet]

i think now they could make a pretty good zelda series or movie

[vague galleon]

as long as it isn't live action, sure.

hollywood will never get it right.

[peak marsh]

I mean the Zelda movie they have in the works right now looks pretty good as long as you avoid internet drama

[vague galleon]

have they released anything besides a fake AI trailer?

ive seen way too many hollywood game movies to know there's no chance.
sonic was lightning in a bottle.

[obtuse scroll]

They did awesome with the Fallout TV Series. I think they could do a good movie or show from Zelda

[peak marsh]

I mean a lot of people are losing their shit because they think maybe Zelda is going to be played by a trans person. Which I mean JFC doesn't matter as long as they play the role well. FFS in Shakepere female roles were played by male actors, screw off

[vague galleon]

also I wont waste my time with any future zelda material where link isnt left handed. it's kind of hard for me to play BOTW...... :S

oh, I saw that one trans person people were suggesting and she's perfect for the role to be honest.

[obtuse scroll]

It's not like some of those times (like Netflix with the Witcher -_- ) where they aren't paying attention to what the games are like. Some creators actually care about the product they are putting out

[vague galleon]

witcher is a mixed bag with all it's media.

i think the games are a sequel to the books where geralt died in the end?
Or were they standalone?

[obtuse scroll]

Yeah, but they purposefully didn't want it to be like Witcher other than their names....A show about a game should at least capture the feel of the game/books. First season only had that feel because the main character cared, it went all over the place for a while after that

[peak marsh]

https://store.steampowered.com/app/1924780/Arzette_The_Jewel_of_Faramore/ - Believe it or not someone actually made a good game based on the Zelda CDi games

Steam

Arzette: The Jewel of Faramore

After ten years of peace...the evil Daimur has returned! Princess Arzette is the Kingdom of Faramore’s only hope to restore harmony to the land!

In this brand new interactive action adventure game, you control the resourceful princess Arzette. Travel through multiple breathtaking locations filled with scum, villainy and secrets, speak wi…

Price

$19.99

Recommendations

673

▶ Play video

[frank sonnet]

Holy crap overwhelmingly positive

[peak marsh]

It actually has the original voice actor who played Link in the CDi games xD

[frank sonnet]

I swear to god Indy devs have more creativity than aaa studios

[peak marsh]

https://www.eurogamer.net/bungies-marathon-reboot-delayed-indefinitely-in-response-to-passionate-fan-feedback - lul

[timber prism]

More like AAA studios could never convince their overlords to put time into making a game like this

"It will be a fantastic game!"
"How many do you think will be playing it at any given time?"
"1."

https://www.youtube.com/live/YVUidGTR8xg?si=vfoWSN7ihNIMbHDP

[peak marsh]

Still a better outcome than Concord xD

[timber prism]

For sure but good luck convincing investors that xd

[peak marsh]

https://www.videogameschronicle.com/news/sega-has-made-nine-of-its-mobile-retro-re-releases-free-before-theyre-delisted/

[timber prism]

Virtua Tennis!

[tepid wadi]

TBH my biggest disappointment with Marathon is the visuals. Their whole style is just... not it

[timber prism]

Devs played Arc Raiders and went Oh shit.

[tepid wadi]

Everyone played Arc Raiders and went "oh shit" 😝

[timber prism]

😂

True. I went in thinking I was gonna hate it and it was my favorite game I played in a while aside from Exp 33

[peak marsh]

Legit one of the more underrated games on the DC

[frank sonnet]

I don’t know why there doing this

[peak marsh]

Right? I mean the work is done, it doesn't cost them anything to have them available. Only thing I can figure is maybe they have some kind of deal coming up, like a Switch Online virtual console or something

Or another Sega Ages release so they don't want them available elsewhere

[frank sonnet]

Sega has a pretty decent relationship with its consumer base compared to Nintendo I don’t think it’s worth tanking it for what ever their doing

[peak marsh]

I mean, at least they're giving people a chance to get them for free before they get delisted. If it was Nintendo they'd just yank it and probably make it unplayable for those who already have it

[timber prism]

Best tennis game released!

[vague galleon]

https://youtu.be/7e6rcnwal4M?si=3iZ4_K_871nSxiBp

i wamt to play this so friggin bad.

[peak marsh]

It looks interesting, but I still need more than 2 games to start looking at a Switch 2

[vague galleon]

oh ya. thats the irony

i aint buying a switch 2 for it

[timber prism]

Yah. Posted it earlier

Def gonna have to buy a Switch 2 for it

Donkey Kong Odyssey OP

[vague galleon]

VOXELS BABY

[timber prism]

Im curious how they are going to explain Pauline

[peak marsh]

Yeah, that was a weird choice to me

[timber prism]

Like that can't be Cranky

Bc they teased Diddy Kong

So it has to be a descendant of Pauline or sumthin haha

[vague galleon]

why doe sshe come out of a rock?!

[timber prism]

Frozen in time!

[peak marsh]

She's just crawling out from the rock Nintendo left her under

[frank sonnet]

i mean its the mario universe the lore isn't somthing they commit too

in the Donkey Kong country games the Donkey Kong we see is the grandson of the one in the arcade game but in another game hes the original

[peak marsh]

Yeah, they do the same thing with Zelda games. Unless they're directly related (OG Zelda > Zelda 2, Oracle of Ages/Seasons, Majora/OOT, BotW > TotK) you basically just have to treat each one as it's own separate universe

I've seen people try to string the entire timeline together into one continuity and it looks like this:

[timber prism]

Which game is he the original?

The arcade game where Mario is the protagonist that is Cranky who had the Donkey Kong title

[frank sonnet]

i think it was a ds game

[vague galleon]

i really hate the zelda canon, it was fun at first and then minish cap and skyward sword happened.

[frank sonnet]

i wish i could have gotten into this game but the driving controls are so badly aged and terrible that its impossible to get passed the the first stage

[peak marsh]

lol. I got that one free ages ago, I remember playing it on PS2

For the time it was 'alright', I remember it getting repetitive, especially with taking over some of the territories

You're basically just doing the same gunfight repeatedly

Though I haven't revisited it since to see how it's aged. Its one of the few games I added to my library and never played

[frank sonnet]

i might give the definitive edition a try