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tranquil cove
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because they want to push making money in their store.. meanwhile warframe is still profitable.

peak marsh
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TBF, a lot of these complaints are directed at a single patch. Not to say they aren't valid, but the sudden outpouring of negative reviews are a reaction to those changes, before the patch people were talking about it like it was the "best gaem EVAR"

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So it leads me to wonder how much are actual issues, and how much are just nitpicking or opinion for the sake of dogpiling

tranquil cove
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not so sure because they are branding the devs as hating the player base too and not listening to feedback

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worse than blizzard etc.

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one guy says the devs made a game out of ruthless mode in POE1, and he doesn't want to play ruthless 2.0 (which nobody played in poe1).

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lol

peak marsh
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I mean, that's hyperbole. The devs were a little dismissive about it when they were on this one podcast this one time, but they've already responded to player feedback by making some changes and have said they plan to continue going forward

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This isn't a case of "you guys have phones don't you"

tranquil cove
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im just saying the problems go deeper than 1 patch

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read all the negative reviews

peak marsh
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I mean, I've read a lot, I've read the one you're talking about (the ruthless mode, it was literally about the patch changing drop rates and monster HP), and I've watched a few breakdowns

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It's not that the complaints aren't real, but a lot is being dramatized around it. The devs are responding and my thought is give it time and give them some benefit of the doubt. Which the internet never does

round beacon
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its your usual dogpiling. tends to be modern these days. aint like this isnt somewhat of a well known tactic now moostly used by sweaties these days. not saying its entirely invalid but its also kinda jump the gun now more than havin a proper reason other than beeing instantly butthurt

tranquil cove
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people are tired of devs pushing their own vision, that most people didn't ask for or want. it's like sure it's your game and you can make a game nobody asked for, but... you wont have 80% of the amount of players you would have, and you'd have pissed off 90% of your fans.

peak marsh
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I mean, thing the first is the devs admitted some of the changes were accidentally overtuned

tepid wadi
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I don't even think that's the case with POE2. The most upset and dramatic people are the ones pushing that sort fo narrative.

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Yeah, the patch wasn't stellar, but they've addressed most of the concerns and will continue to do so in future patches 🤷‍♀️

round beacon
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pretty much this

tepid wadi
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But it definitely wasn't unplayable like a lot of those comments would have you believe

tranquil cove
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well im still planning to try it when its free, hopefully they figure it out; either they figure out how to implement their vision in a way that makes most people happy, or they adopt a compromised vision that the player base wants.

peak marsh
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A lot of the drama literally comes from this one time on this one podcast right after the patch, where the devs were a little dismissive about the player complaints. It was a bad look, for sure, and they earned a little egg on the face for it, but they've already walked back a lot and committed to making the changes people are asking for within reason

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Now it's a matter of seeing what that means

tepid wadi
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It also helps that Last Epoch had an epic win of a Season 2 right afterwards, so maybe the POE2 devs will eat crow a bit and take a hard look at their stances on some of the more hard-line stuff.

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It's easy to hold your ground on bad decisions when there isn't someone else doing awesome stuff right next to you 😝

peak marsh
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Yeah, being humbled by a much smaller studio with a much less established franchise should help them have some clarity

tranquil cove
# tepid wadi It's easy to hold your ground on bad decisions when there isn't someone else doi...

some devs ive found are real stubborn and want to pursue either a gameplay type, or an idea that fundementally makes the game worse, maybe elements of the game conflict with each other etc. and i don't understand this stubborness. 99% of the time i think it's all about money, they dont want to build a good game, they want to not have to redo work they already did, or remove something from the game that cost lots of money etc. so they get into a sunk cost scenario.

round beacon
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doesnt help either they overpromissed and underestimated the amount of work it wpuld take to keep pushin poe1 further with the same amount they want to put into 2, simultaniously

tepid wadi
peak marsh
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I give them credit for staying committed to PoE1, especially with 2 being pay-to-play and unfinished (plus for people on older machines who still like it, etc), but I think part of it too is they're living in the shadow of PoE1 which had what, 23 years of patching and refinement? PoE2 is going to be a long bumpy road to reach that level of polish

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And I think people are expecting it now, even in EA

tranquil cove
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yeah sequels are tough, because you eventually end up competing with the first game, if you dont do a good job.

peak marsh
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Sorry 13 years, not 23

tranquil cove
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and competing with your own franchise? player base divided? is rough.

round beacon
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oh i do commend that too. but its simply biting more than they can chew and thats biting their butts now

vague galleon
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this reads like childish wining.
and a marketplace? oh ya, cause that worked SOOOOOO well for D3.

tranquil cove
vague galleon
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diablo 3.

tranquil cove
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the only place i enjoyed the market was warframe also, because i literally made 2000 platinum for free.

vague galleon
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doom isnt an ARPG

tranquil cove
peak marsh
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That and like, most gamers just don't have the stomach for early access. They rage when patches break things, they angrily comment and review bomb when they don't like certain changes, and they review bomb when the optimization isn't perfect and bugs happen. Most of all, they lack the patience to give constructive feedback and give the devs a chance to act on it or not before they start doing those things

vague galleon
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Diablo 2 was so good...

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Early Access was a mistake.

vague galleon
tranquil cove
round beacon
tranquil cove
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the problem is that steam should change the review system

vague galleon
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WE NEED A MEH REVIEW

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instead of just red or blue

tranquil cove
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you should be able to leave temporary reviews that stay up until the next big patch, or something. like reviews that expire after 6 months.

peak marsh
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It's why large studios don't do public feedback

tranquil cove
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steam just needs a temporary review system for early access games

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your review expires after 6 months, and you need to resubmit it, it's still saved though.

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this would remove bad reviews after the game is fixed.

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the issue is most people dont go back and remove their negative review, or realize the game got fixed. lol

peak marsh
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Or they do all this review bombing and drama pot-stirring, convince a bunch of people it's a bad product and not to buy it, but then the devs make the changes but still struggle anyway

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It's putting the punishment before the crime (which would be if they ultimately did ignore the feedback, not just take a little longer than the gamers want)

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Like, think of your average gamer, who doesn't follow gaming press and gaming channels and just checks out things that are interesting or taking up a lot of talking time, like negative ones. They see their feeds blow up with the very loud "PoE2 BAD, devs BAD, game BAD" and they go 'ok, not buying that', but never catch the much quieter part much later when people are saying "You know what, the team at GGG really listened, took it to heart and made a lot of positive changes, the game is great now"

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That average gamer is like 70%+ of your potential customer base

tranquil cove
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ive bought games with overwhelming negative reviews

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because i look at gameplay vids

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i read negative reviews over positive ones, and then determine what's real, whats temporary, and what's player preference.

round beacon
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Val... we had that didnt we? you are NOT the represantative average

tranquil cove
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yeah well buying a game on a whim is weird, how is that the average

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people should do some research

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lol

vague galleon
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consumerism.

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impulse being.

tranquil cove
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if you were thinking to spend $60 on a game you'd think you'd research it for 15 minutes

round beacon
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people should do so many things. but they dont. thats just the reality

peak marsh
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Well I mean fair, but most people aren't. They're going by what comes across their feeds on whether to even look at the game or not, and a lot will just have dismissed the game outright based on the very loud negatives without even hearing the later, quieter positives, is my point

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So all the knee-jerk review bombing does is potentially hurt a game that might turn itself around and become your favorite game

tranquil cove
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i cant leave negative reviews

peak marsh
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Which is why I say most people don't have the stomach for early access

tranquil cove
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i complain a lot in the game discord and annoy devs

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but it feels real mean to leave a negative review

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lol

peak marsh
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I've left a couple, but it was for abandoned projects or gross monetization tactics

round beacon
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okay. actualy thats a good if not the best representation right there. you say you engage in the discord. right?

peak marsh
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Mostly if I don't like a game I just uninstall and move on, unless it offends me in some way that I feel the need to warn others about it xD

tranquil cove
round beacon
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good. now how many people already bought enshrouded. and how many are on the discord? and how many are VOCAL on the discord. you get where im goin?

peak marsh
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👈 This guy

tranquil cove
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i have 42 reviews, and 7 negatives, but those were left years ago, and also for older games, like KOTOR2, which not many people will be buying/are cheap, or if they buy it they already wanted it.

peak marsh
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Though I'm not really vocal on the Discord as a whole, mostly in here xD

tranquil cove
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some of my reviews are funny

round beacon
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doesnt matter. you are still one of the comparativly few who engaged. but the majority doesnt. just tryin to show your point on an example 😅

tranquil cove
frank sonnet
peak marsh
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I have 11 reviews and the only negative was Conan Exiles. I had thoughts about that one xD

tranquil cove
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lol

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that was my most recent negative review

peak marsh
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I was not impressed with Conan Exiles xD

tranquil cove
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ive always been thinking to buy conan exiles at 75% off

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but keep passing it by

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but i would love a conan based RPG

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maybe like skyrim, but its all conan

peak marsh
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It had $110 in DLC back in 2020

tranquil cove
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crazy

peak marsh
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One of them is for horse riding. Having a horse is a DLC -.-

tranquil cove
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yes only the rich had horses in conan

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or thieves.

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they should allow you to buy horse dlc, but also allow player to steal your horse you bought with real money. 😆

peak marsh
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I mean, if they do that within the confines of the game that's one thing, not literally -.-

tranquil cove
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lol i gave rocket league a negative review

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i should probably replay these games and check if i still feel the same way

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LOL

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poo on it and then give it away

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i read my own rants and laugh, this is why i have a hard time deleteing my reviews, because i find some of them funny

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i could flip it to a positive review

frank sonnet
round beacon
frank sonnet
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still if a company makes a good enough case to the owners of Conan we could get a great Conan game

peak marsh
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That's part of the problem, the people who own the rights to Conan are super protective and always want a ton of money

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It's why in the NES days we had guys like "Rastan" and "Rygar"

tranquil cove
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all my negative reviews

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plus the rocket league one you saw above

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the one of the left is never winter nights MMO, which really annoyed me

peak marsh
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Leaving a negative on Divinity: Original Sin is certainly a thing

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Yeah, Neverwinter was actually a good MMO before it was bought by whatever publisher has it now

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They invested zero development into anything but MTX

tranquil cove
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there you go you can click the title of it badreview.png, and it will zoom in full scale now

peak marsh
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Like, their new content is literally copy-pastes of older dungeons

frank sonnet
peak marsh
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Yeah, I want to say it's his surviving family? They hold it with an iron grip and only give rights for ridiculous permissions (like, creative input etc) or payments, so you really only see really bad things done with the license. Bad books, bad games, bad comics, etc

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Mostly because no good studio/creatives are going to agree to what they want

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It's why you always see "legally distinct Conan inspired" things and nothing actually set in the world or with the characters

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Which is a shame because he crafted a pretty interesting world

frank sonnet
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i could see a game based on the Arnold Schwarzenegger movies

round beacon
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why? Doom is already a thing though :p

frank sonnet
round beacon
frank sonnet
round beacon
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but jeah some of the good oldtimers could make some rather nice games.

peak marsh
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Actually Arnold was the issue there. At the time (probably still) he didn't want to have a violent image for children, so he didn't want to be seen in games killing a bunch of dudes, which kind of misses the point of why he was popular xD

vague galleon
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i remember seeing a video about that awhile back.

frank sonnet
peak marsh
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And there are some, like True Lies or Terminator, where he doesn't have that much say over his likeness which is why those games could have guns where others couldn't, but then you're dealing with the studios that own them

frank sonnet
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it appears Schwarzenegger had a change of heart

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rustic nexus
tranquil cove
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they were a long time ago, though i can see some points that maybe still are good, but not sure if i'd still give the games a negative review, could have just criticized them and left it positive.

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definitely i was reviewing with more flare back then

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still 7 negatives out of 42 reviews, means i tend to only say positive stuff

rustic nexus
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Sometimes the problems people have had do end up getting fixed.

vague galleon
vague galleon
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i wonder if it's worth picking up diablo 4 on a sale.

rustic nexus
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There's a lot better games out there than Diablo 4 and many more games are coming out this year. Enough to keep everyone busy for years to come.

vague galleon
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okay so 10 bucks or less then.

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im just mildly curious as ive already played 1-3.

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i wish TL3 didnt have such bad gameplay.

frank sonnet
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Wait...... shit some how i messed up and only have one rune

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i guess im going to have to put the game in baby mode to regain the other runes

frank sonnet
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Nevermind i entered a console command

vague galleon
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i dont know if ive read all those at the end. >_>

round beacon
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Lol, all the panicking publishers just sighing so loud you can hear it across the globe, cuz their end of this year sales game is safed xD

misty arch
frank sonnet
round beacon
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Rock and Stone Brother!

frank sonnet
peak marsh
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(Horii was also part of the Square/Enix dream team that made CT, back when they were still separate companies)

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It's also not the first time Horii accidentally slipped something, at another con some years ago he was talking about the original Dragon Quest series and he was like "..yeah, but we're remaking all 3 of them" well before it was public

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But when you're the father of Japan's biggest JRPG series in the history of ever, you get away with things like that xD

timber prism
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Honestly... does Chronotrigger need a remake?

tepid wadi
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Nope

timber prism
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Its aged well and still looks good to this day

tepid wadi
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It's also referenced in numerous other games, like a lot of Last Epoch's story stuff is loosely based on the foundation that CT created

frank sonnet
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why not just make a new entry to the series?

peak marsh
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Like, if they commit to it being a separate experience and don't just make another PS1/DS rehash with a few cutscenes

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And especially if they involve as much of the original team as is reasonable to do. Like, don't drag anyone out of the nursing home but the more the merrier

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My thought is if they do it very well, it could mark a rebirth of the series and we might get the actual sequel that Chrono Cross frankly wasn't. Fine game but as a follow-up to Chrono Trigger? Meh

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I feel like Chrono Trigger has that issue where it's the case of a game being too good. Like it really was a masterpiece of a game at a time when the genre was pumping out masterpieces left and right. A pillar, a crown jewel, so on and so on. The problem being, how do you follow that? How do you iterate on something so beloved and expand into other experiences using the same world and ideas? And for 30-somthing years, the answer has been "you don't" xD

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Which is reasonable but also kinda sucks because the game had such a golden combination of mechanics, from active/wait battles to new game + to different characters having different skill combos to branching storylines that really made you feel like your actions had a legit impact on the story that we haven't seen in other JRPGs. Maybe one or two of those but not all of them put together

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And what I'm thinking is like, imagine Chrono Trigger but presented like something like Clair Obscur or something. The experience modernized and made fresh but keeping those core ideas in place

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Or Persona or something, but with less neon xD

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But with Squenix being what it is now, I don't necessarily have such high hopes. It'd be nice, but given recent history I frankly don't think they're the company to deliver on it

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Here's hoping I'm wrong xD

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But the last two FF single player entries don't give me a whole lot of hope, let alone some of the other games they've been releasing lately that aren't FFXIV expansions

timber prism
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I actually enjoyed both rebirth and 16

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I just don't care for them to do it for Chronotrigger

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7 being low ass polygons definitely looks better now. I don't think chronontrigger needs that because its not even 3D and the art style holds up well

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Remake being an original story worked. You can't do that with Chronotrigger imo

peak marsh
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I mean, why not? xD

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Art is iterative, and art you can't iterate on is dead art. I mean, believe me I've loved CT since it was a new game and to this day count it among my top 3, and actively replay it, but what makes it so very sacred that it needs to be placed under glass and never touched?

timber prism
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Bc they will surely mess it up

peak marsh
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Maybe. Maybe Monday at work I'll mess up and get fired, but that doesn't mean I shouldn't show up xD

timber prism
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Remake/Rebirth isn't nearly as good as OG FF7

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We see how game 3 ties it all together... and no FF7 didn't need a remake

peak marsh
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I mean, that's my concern, I don't think current Squenix is the company to pull it off proper, but I also stand by the thought that it doesn't mean they shouldn't try

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In 30-something years we've had a kinda-ok-kinda-meh sequel and a couple rehashes on other consoles, like literally the same game with a few cutscenes and a dungeon or two. At some point someone has to brush the dust off and at least try

timber prism
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I'm in the camp of if you know it's gonna fail to live up to the original don't do it

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There is no need to brush off and try

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Go make something original

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Make a new "chronotrigger" with some original IP

peak marsh
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I mean, it's the path to that. Again, CT has been in such sacred cow territory that they're afraid to iterate on it and make something new in that universe, and I feel like the world they created is good enough to not just let it be dead

timber prism
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Okay then make a new story within its world

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That doesn't reuse its characters

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Or redo what has already been done

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New MC

peak marsh
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Is the thing. But how can they do that and make it relevant to gamers who might not have played the now 30-somthing year old original?

timber prism
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Then don't do it if you can't even figure that out

peak marsh
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Is what they're doing xD

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They're seeing if they can figure it out

timber prism
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????

peak marsh
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I mean, I'm with you, I'd also much rather see something original, but if this is what it takes to reach that point I'm all for the attempt

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They're seeing if they can do something modern with something tested, before they move forward with something untested, is what I mean and it's why I'm kind of excited about the prospect of a remake

timber prism
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You really aren't with me if you think they should do it XD

peak marsh
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And ultimately, the thing is if it sucks it just sucks. It doesn't take anything away from the original and it doesn't change anything about that experience

timber prism
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Imagine they make a remake that is three games long again for CT and there aren't even multiple paths / endings

peak marsh
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Yep. That would suck, and it's part of the reason I wonder if current day Squenix is the company to pull it off. But I also don't think it's a reason they shouldn't try

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Because on the upside, if they pull it off and it's good, we might get more Chrono Trigger finally

timber prism
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No. Thats when they start the remake of FF9

peak marsh
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I mean, that's cynical (also probably accurate xD), Companies do what makes money, if it's good and it sells they do more of it

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I know I'm being an optimist but I'm really looking at this hoping for the best, while understanding and being fully prepared for the worst

timber prism
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It was already leaked by Nvidia in 2021 and they had that twitter post of the IYKYK concerning the 25th anni this year so I'm sure an announcement is coming this year

peak marsh
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30th, IIRC

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If you mean CT

timber prism
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No. FF9

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Which was 2000

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I got disappointed today from the CT post

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Xd

peak marsh
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Ah. Yeah, and mostly I'm a little over all the nostalgia-bait remakes and remasters, though I'm hoping CT is treated appropriately

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Again, only because the mechanics and world have so much un-realized potential

timber prism
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I know it won't be after the Secret of Mana Remake

peak marsh
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Yeah I heard about SoM

timber prism
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I'm hoping they budget CT appropriately at least but you know it won't get the FF budget

peak marsh
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And like, I feel like the time for a lot of this was 10 years ago but they're trying to appeal to people with full time jobs and enough income for platinum-ultimate-preorder-collectors-edition money

timber prism
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I hope the FF7 collectors is good this time around too XD

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I love both that came out so far

peak marsh
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CT is one of those games where I might have to break down and actually buy a collectors edition if it comes with a Chrono figure in the Toriyama art style

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Like, it's one of the few soundtracks that has brought a literal tear to my eye xD

timber prism
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Should be good if Play Arts makes it

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Their Cloud Strife + Fenrir is really well made

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I have the OST on CD somewhere haha

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For CT

peak marsh
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The ones that kill me are MH statues. I want so many of them but speaking of bringing a tear to my eye, those prices xD

timber prism
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Third party ones?

peak marsh
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First, like the official ones

timber prism
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I never looked at the official collectors for those games

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I remember the armored core one I got was like $500 or something XD

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Squeenix ones were only $250

peak marsh
timber prism
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Ooooo

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Those didn't come with the games though

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Just separate statues

peak marsh
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Nah, they weren't collector's edition, but they're official merch

timber prism
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That looks cool

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I'm really into LE stuff

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The fact i can just buy that makes it less worth to me haha

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But it does look badass

peak marsh
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MH Has some of the best collectables, but also such money T.T

round beacon
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looks dope. hate the fact it doesnt give you the size stats though. instead theres some useless info about shit we can already see for ourselfes^^

timber prism
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Yeah... just tried looking if it may have been under details or specs but couldn't find anything

round beacon
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Scummy tacs

vague galleon
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except Chrono Trigger isn't a flawless game.

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once you get the elemental powers it kind of takes away part of what was so clever about it's combat.

peak marsh
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The closest we've had is Octopath Traveler

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But ultimately, that's really just a rehash

vague galleon
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I have started chrono trigger and played it many times.

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a few times on emulator, PS1, i have the DS copy, farthest ive gotten

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never finished it.

peak marsh
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I mean, IMO ignore the extra features and play the original on SNES, it's really the best version and you really aren't missing a lot

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For PS1 and DS they tacked on a couple of dungeons and a few cutscenes

vague galleon
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oh ya ya, let me just bust out 200+ dollars.

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the DS version is the best one.

peak marsh
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I don't mean physical xD It's a JRPG, you don't need response times xD

vague galleon
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the cinematics, which are from a cancelled movie, are a nice touch, didnt know about the dungeons, but no the PS1 version is ass.

obtuse scroll
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Wait, there was a canceled ChronoTrigger movie? O.o

vague galleon
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yup.

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at least that's what research has told me.

peak marsh
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Yeah. It was going to be drawn by Akira Toriyama and the remnants are the cutscenes in the PS version

obtuse scroll
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Ahh, never knew that

vague galleon
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the PS1 version has this 5 second delay every single time you open the menu. it's horrible.

peak marsh
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Yeah, the load times really killed it

obtuse scroll
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I never played it on PS1, then again, my favorite was FF6, so I was more focused on that game than CT.

vague galleon
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i think they ruined FF6 on PS1

timber prism
vague galleon
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i swear the train level is shorter and I KNOW they had to have ruined the theft part because i could NOT get my dang mithril claw!!!!!!!!!

peak marsh
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The SNES version of CT is the definitive experince, even still

obtuse scroll
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I think a remaster of FF6 would be awesome, but it has to be done in a good art style. PS1 wasn't ready to make the changes that would be needed.

vague galleon
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yes please.

peak marsh
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FF6 has had a remaster, on DS I think?

vague galleon
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bleh, the art choice was lame.

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it was just some "modernized" sprites

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very dull.

peak marsh
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Yeah, felt like a flash game

vague galleon
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i dont think the ds or GBA version was a remake, just a rerelease if I recall correctly

obtuse scroll
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Exp 33's art style would work for FF6 so well and its turned based combat. It would be great as still turned based but using a full 3D based world.

vague galleon
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there was a phone/steam remake though.

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remaster*

peak marsh
obtuse scroll
vague galleon
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ew

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funny that the GBA copy is the first time we officially got five in america. my brother downloaded a bunch of emulators when i was a kid so i got to play a lot of classics that way but i was too unfocused to ever finished any of them.

obtuse scroll
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It's bad, still played it all because I love the game....but all my characters had an extra E at the end of their names due to the bad controller set up and not allowing mouse for selections at all. Pixel Remaster seems to have worked some of those kinks out.

vague galleon
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i rarely change names anymore in those games.

peak marsh
obtuse scroll
vague galleon
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i got past the queen but i wasnt sure where to go after that.

obtuse scroll
vague galleon
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i mean, both of those are top 5 SNES games.

obtuse scroll
peak marsh
vague galleon
vague galleon
peak marsh
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Then the same comment goes your way xD

vague galleon
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lol

obtuse scroll
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LOL got the two mixed up

vague galleon
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ive started it many time, i have never finished it.

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alright wheres my copy,,,,

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i wish we'd get a new custom robo.........T-T

peak marsh
obtuse scroll
vague galleon
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theres many games i have never finished, especially these last few years. and even more as a kid. my early 20s I was the best at finishing games, owned less too. XD

vague galleon
peak marsh
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CT is one of those benchmarks, those once-in-a-lifetime experiences. Made by a dream team of Square and Enix devs who were at the top of their game when the game was at the top of it's game

vague galleon
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another top 5, mario RPG

peak marsh
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Like it might sound like overhype but I really can't hype it enough

vague galleon
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i did finally unearth my old ZSNES folder but, i'd rather just play it on the DS.

peak marsh
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Mario RPG is up there with it, honestly, but CT hits just a little above

vague galleon
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well ya

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cause mario is a dork.

obtuse scroll
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Ehh for SNES it was Super Mario World that was in the top 5, not RPG. Love Blue Yoshi O.O

peak marsh
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I mean, yeah xD

obtuse scroll
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and chocobos from FF6

peak marsh
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But if we're talking JRPGs I'd go CT, FF6, Mario RPG, BoF 2, and Lufia 2 in that order

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With Lufia maybe being interchangable with Earthbound

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Earthbound was good as far as mechanics and overall story but it was also a little abstract and weirdly dark

timber prism
peak marsh
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Like the whole thing at the end about fighting a fetus that was actually your unborn self was kind of out there

obtuse scroll
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FF6, CT, LoZ: LttP, Secret of Mana, and not sure what 5th would be

timber prism
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FF9, CT, Secret of Mana, Loz:LTTP, FFT

obtuse scroll
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Pretty sure 9 was not on SNES lol

peak marsh
timber prism
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Oh. This is just snes. Not all time? Lmao

obtuse scroll
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If it was all time, Ocarina of Time would be on my list

timber prism
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I saw a tier list and assumed it was greatest ever XD

obtuse scroll
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And Enshrouded

timber prism
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I remember my classmate called in sick for two weeks for OOT

peak marsh
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Neither are JRPGs though, they're adventure games xD

timber prism
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Oh its a jrpg list????

obtuse scroll
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OoT is a bit of JRPG....Enshrouded no

peak marsh
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JRPGs on SNES, go

obtuse scroll
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My list is already above

vague galleon
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it doesnt matter, all your favorite games are overrated due to nostalgia, ya old geezers.

peak marsh
obtuse scroll
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Just because they have nostalgia attached to them, doesn't make them overrated

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Ooh Majora's mask was fun too...I liked a lot of Zelda games lol

timber prism
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Overrated by everyone so accurately rated

peak marsh
vague galleon
timber prism
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Zelda for CDI

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Was a travesty

obtuse scroll
vague galleon
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skyward sword has an ass story.

timber prism
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I absolutely dislike the last two zelda games

vague galleon
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BOTW GOTY

timber prism
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BOTW is probably one of the worst zeldas i ever played

peak marsh
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I liked them for the mechanics, and for as convoluted as it was/is TotK had a decent story

timber prism
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They took everything away that I liked about Zelda and double downed on it for the 2nd game

peak marsh
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Not great, just decent

vague galleon
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the overpriced DLC you mean.

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im bad at 3D puzzles, struggled with the sacred beasts without a guide.

obtuse scroll
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With the last three I think BoTW had an okay feel, they started adding too many build your vehicle things to the second one, and the latest one was just way too many skills you had to scroll 10 years through to find the one you needed right then.

vague galleon
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you mean the zelda one?

obtuse scroll
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Yeah

vague galleon
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ya, that list does get pretty long. XD

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i got it a week or two ago and ive been on vacation, havent played it all week. XD

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i like it overall though.

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they messed up the map a little though.

obtuse scroll
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I like my old school Zelda, you have like 6 skills and a bunch of weird stuff in your inventory and just play.

peak marsh
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BotW was probably the pinnacle of the latest 3d Zelda games imo. I loved the Link's Awakening remake though xD

vague galleon
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my favorites are the Oracle ones and TP, also secondary, LTTP and LA

timber prism
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I hated the optimization on Links Awakening so much

vague galleon
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i refuse to pay that much for a LA remake.

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the ending to the game is awful.

timber prism
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Like 15 fps loading while playing

obtuse scroll
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Out of the Zelda games. I think I'm going to have to say Ocarina of Time as my favorite.

peak marsh
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I loved the original so the remake probably has some rose colored glasses with me

vague galleon
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OOT is the quintessential zelda game, but not my favorite.

timber prism
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The OG LA was great

frank sonnet
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Quake beaten

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timber prism
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OOT is third for me

vague galleon
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i love the rings in the oracle games.

timber prism
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LTTP and LBW are my top two

vague galleon
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never played LBW

obtuse scroll
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LTTP is a good one....had to think hard about it....also MM

vague galleon
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i was stuck on MM for a long time until i finally remember i had to do the stupid sneaking part, then i just, didnt feel like doing the dungeon lol

frank sonnet
vague galleon
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💪

timber prism
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Windwaker and MM was also super fun to me

vague galleon
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LAVA NAILS

peak marsh
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The puzzles in Minish Cap were so innovative

obtuse scroll
timber prism
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Def recommend

vague galleon
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i weish they had done a DS copy of the oracles.

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i need to see if I can get my GBC working again.

obtuse scroll
# timber prism Def recommend

Thing is, to play it now, I'd have to do the Nintendo switch online and expansion thing. I'm not paying that much to play old games that go away if you stop your sub.

timber prism
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Emulate it xd

peak marsh
vague galleon
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🚔

obtuse scroll
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LOL shame on all of you....also, I'm not sure I wanna go through that trouble right now. Maybe later if I get bored. I have games to play. Enshrouded update is coming in May/June.

peak marsh
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They've been selling the sane 30 games for 40y years, you aren't taking bread from any mouths xD

timber prism
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I'm totally all in the camp of paying devs for their hard work except for Nintendo XD

peak marsh
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TO. A. POINT.

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Same 30 games for 40 years

vague galleon
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nintendo hates money

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i just want a dark cloud 2 remaster

timber prism
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They are the only company who sell the same 30 year old game for full price

vague galleon
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or resistance fall of man on PC...................

peak marsh
vague galleon
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all 2 games..........

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and rogue galaxy

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i love the art style of DC2 and RG

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i wish we had gotten a portal knigts 2. it looked awesome

peak marsh
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AKSHULLY

obtuse scroll
vague galleon
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LFvwUemJsGg

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this looks soooo goood

frank sonnet
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To reflect on my playthrough of og quake was a great experience the only complaints i have are the 2 boss battles kind of suck, spawns were unnecessary and the glitch that removed my runes

vague galleon
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the boss battles werent even boss battles. the game definitely lacked those.

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level design is peak though.

frank sonnet
vague galleon
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air tunnel level was certainly interesting.

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i really really need to finish okami.............

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and get back to DC2....

peak marsh
vague galleon
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i beat the big boss and then the game wasnt over and someone told me i was only halfway done

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see the funny thing is.

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I got a PS2 in 2009, started playing it, had to move without a lot of my stuff, and then in like 2015 i got some stuff again and started playing it again, moved again in 2017, and then like 1-2 years ago i started playing again but i havent touched it in months.

peak marsh
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It's worth your time, it's so good xD

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But maybe not, if you had 2 chances already maybe it didn't grab you like that xD

vague galleon
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i will finish eventually, it's just im too used to being on my PC and my studio layout doesnt have me near my PS2 a lot.

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its really that life got in the way and I didnt plan better.

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like why didnt I pack all my gameboy stuff and finish the oracle games back in 2010?!!!?!!!?!!!!!!

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the heck was I thinking?!

timber prism
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@peak marsh did you start No Rest for the Wicked yet?

peak marsh
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So far, it's really good xD

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I like how every combat encounter feels like it matters. I made the mistake during the tutorial of thinking could just button mash through and ended up having to eat almost all of my mushroom soups xD

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Like, I landed on the island with one soup left xD

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It's really cool how it punishes you for over-comitting

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Like, I really need a 2H weapon. I'm being way too twitchy with the 1h and daggers xD

timber prism
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im a big fan of speedy

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man, i actually want to play that game righ tnow

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but i have exp 33

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and i had to put that on pause too bc of Arc Raiders weekend

peak marsh
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IDK like, I don't mind the speed but I keep over committing and taking damage where I don't need to, Like, I feel I need a weapon that will slow me down

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And I do it every time and see that I'm doing it every time but I keep doing it every time xD

timber prism
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haha

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i feel you

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i always try to thread the needle as well in terms of damage

frank sonnet
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scourge of armagon time

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💪

frank sonnet
vague galleon
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the only one I beat was Next which wasnt made by the original team or company. and i needed my friends help with the boss.
4 I got pretty far in but it was so long i lost interest.

hollow carbon
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Also, Oblivion Remastered... I love those visuals

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peak marsh
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https://store.steampowered.com/app/2873440/Chrono_Odyssey/ - Chrono Odyssey is an upcoming action MMO from publisher Kakao games (Black Desert). It's supposed to release sometime this year or next on PC and PS5. They just opened a free playtest you can apply for, for anyone interested. Looks good from the trailers

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timber prism
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UE5 MMO.. sure XD

tepid wadi
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I saw some stuff on it, it looks like it has potential but I'm still skeptical.

obtuse scroll
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BDO wasn't a bad MMO, so I could see this one being pretty good. I have hopes for it.

peak marsh
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And while BDO had/has a lot of monetization, it's not egregious IMO

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Like, you can still play and have a good experience with it without swiping

obtuse scroll
livid tiger
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Tainted grail fall of Avalon drops May 23rd between enshrouded and that my life is forfeit

peak marsh
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Looks good. Also looks right up @vague galleon 's street

vague galleon
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huh?

peak marsh
tepid wadi
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I've heard super good things about it

vague galleon
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seems a bit edgy for my tastes but i see some cool stuff. LIKE GIANT SWORD

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i dont need another time sink.

peak marsh
vague galleon
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why is this even a question? when have they not?!

peak marsh
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True xD But in this one in particular, I guess some stores were requiring people to buy ridiculous bundles with extra crap to preorder Switch 2. Like Mario Kart bundle + screen protectors + Gamestop branded SD card + pro controller + carry case etc etc. I guess people were having to pay between $700 and $900 to be "allowed" to preorder

vague galleon
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ew

tepid wadi
vague galleon
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ya but man, that title alone is so edgelord

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"Tainted grail"

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FALL of avalon!

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when can I have another bright and cheery game like oblvion?
sure. we got the whole oblivion gates things. but I dont have to go into them and can just explore a very green and colorful world.

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theres two reasons I dont play dark souls or elden ring.

  1. im trash and dont like dodging rolling anyway.
  2. it's all so grotesque and depressing.
tepid wadi
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Elden Ring really isn't as dark as the Dark Souls games, not by a long shot

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But I get what you're saying

vague galleon
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ya, like, have you seen some of the enemies?

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still grotesque and distorted beings.

tepid wadi
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Yeah, I agree that not every game needs to be grimdark body horror

vague galleon
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ya, thats why Torchlight 2 is my favorite ARPG

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while it's not completely devoid of these themes, it a bright and colorful world with a lovely art style.

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i dont mind grim dawn ironically, but the gameplay as a melee class is a bit dull and i havent been arsed to try mixing it up.

peak marsh
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Yeah, lately it feels like games and RPGs in particular only come in 2 main flavors: baroque horror or candy-coated anime

timber prism
vague galleon
peak marsh
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Apparently it's already the most successful PC JRPG ever (strictly speaking by sales numbers) as well as the highest rated PS5 game full stop

timber prism
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Yes

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Also a 9.7 user rating on metacritic

round beacon
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EA has left the chat... lookin angy 😏

vague galleon
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Still not touching that game, not after I saw that character.

peak marsh
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Personally I enjoy successes like those not just because they're an indie studio but because it's a single player game that sells for one price with no microtransactions, which according to the industry "gamers don't want"

timber prism
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I realized you really really like Forced Gaming XD

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you always posting his content here

timber prism
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and offering discounts on said cheap price when it launched

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Its also surprising to do so well when everyone was crying about it being overshadowed by Bethesda

tepid wadi
timber prism
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Yeah, I haven't really seen him have a crazy take yet even if I disagree with what he says at times

peak marsh
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He's one of the sources for game news I feel like I can generally take at face value

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Doesn't mean I agree with absolutely everything he says but the information he puts out is solid

timber prism
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I just notice that you post his content a lot in here

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not that its a bad thing

peak marsh
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Sure, wasn't like being defensive, it's just why I follow him and share his content more than others. I feel like he doesn't put out bad info

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And yeah, that's another one. I saw a bunch of indie game fans (and a few devs) complaining that Bethesda was basically hurting their sales

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Stuff like "they should have announced a release date so devs could prepare and change their launch windows" etc. Which to me is silly because if a game is good people buy it, mostly

tepid wadi
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Ehhh, I dunno. For an indie studio to compete a shadow drop from bethesda like that is pretty tough and if you release your game and get no visibility, it could kill your indie studio. I get the frustration, finding a release window is already insane for smaller companies.

timber prism
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I dont think its a company's job to prepare another dev for releases

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im actually all for shadow drops because it adds excitement to releases

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It 100% affects indies tho

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being a good game isn't enough

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so im glad it actually got noticed on its release

tepid wadi
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Yeah, I dont think its bethesda's responsibility to anmounce, but I can see how it sucks for an indie dev

peak marsh
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IDK. While I feel like that may have been more true 10 years ago I feel like lately and especially since the Covid lockdowns, people are a lot more aware of indie studios

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Like, good games will still get all the word-of-mouth they need to succeed

timber prism
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Maybe because I dont personally pay attention to many indie games

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but I feel like AAA games overshadow indie games all the time

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I just found a game that came out last year that is overwhelming positive as an indie game that I never even heard of because it dropped around the same time as Dragons Dogma 2

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im wishlisting this now cuz it looks awesome

peak marsh
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Grains of salt, according to a Steam sales figure aggregator it's made 1.9 million since last year (launched April of '24)

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That's what I mean. Like, it might hurt the launch window but if the game is decent, over time it will still reach it's audience

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1.9 million is a lot of copies at a non-sale price of $14.99 xD

timber prism
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1.9 million the revenue

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not copies sold

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it only sold 173k copies

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i also missread what you wrote lmao

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but yeah... 173k doesn't seem like a lot to me

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for being a full year out

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I also.. just looked at No Rest For the Wicked... man.. they got slammed pretty hard for this Breach update

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XD

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they are back to "mixed" on reviews but I guess it was mostly negative from what someone in one of my discords posted

tepid wadi
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Weird, I've only heard good things about the update

peak marsh
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I haven't experienced anything the reviews are talking about. I checked a few out and while some are complaining about specific mech changes (I guess bows got nerfed), some don't make sense to me

timber prism
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I started my playthrough last night after some hot fixes but people were upset about invisible mobs and some QOL updates like wanting to be able to teleport to areas vs having to backtrack

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A lot of it seems to be new players though

peak marsh
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Like one said enemies got too overturned and fighting more than 1 mob at once is basically impossible, which is not my experience

timber prism
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Upset that they have to farm so much for healing when they want it to be free

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I do get the equipment load complaint

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I'm lvl 7 now and all my points are in equipment load just so I can be fast

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And I can't even wear all my gear

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But this is nothing new... its been an issue since day 1

round beacon
timber prism
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Tbf thr mob diff is much higher in this game than dark souls

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With much harder parry windows

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But its supposed to be

round beacon
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lol. dont know if we played the same ds games but those where way harder to beat than anything i encountered here 😅

timber prism
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This game as in No Rest for the Wicked

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So its easy to assume multiple mobs are difficult for people

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Granted I just killed 4 at the time but I have played before

round beacon
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oh no was talking about THIS game aka enshrouded 😅

timber prism
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O

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Player diff is all i can say bc never found anything in Enshrouded actually challenging

round beacon
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mhhhmmm

peak marsh
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The dragon was a little obnoxious but otherwise I agree

round beacon
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yeah the dragon first time was a spike true. but honestly? mostly because we have been used to all the "easy" stuff for the entire game. hence why id vote for push everything else and simply make the dragon just a tiny bit smoother but keep its difficulty

peak marsh
timber prism
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After you learned to stop overcommitting right? Xd

peak marsh
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More accurate to say "learning to not overcommit". Learned is a strong word xD

livid tiger
tepid wadi
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Nice! I havent played it since their orginial card game roguelike version, heh

livid tiger
livid tiger
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It's almost the base toughness of enshrouded, like pre slider

vague galleon
livid tiger
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Lol I hear ya. I've got a crazy back log and these tasty games keep coming out

frank sonnet
peak marsh
livid tiger
peak marsh
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xD Expedition 33 is definitely on my wishlist. I love JRPGs as it is and it's got such a cool stylistic look

livid tiger
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I was like twenty nothing when oblivion came out originally and survived the og 360 release

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Shivering isles and all

peak marsh
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Plus the active attack and dodge mechanics involving button presses make me think of an evolved Mario RPG playstyle xD

livid tiger
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That was one of my favorite rpg's growing up. ONLY appearance of GENO

peak marsh
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That was literally my first thought watching a gameplay breakdown. Like, "it's about time someone modernized Mario RPG xD"

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Geno was the best character in that game, hands down. Shame they haven't done anything else with him

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Seems like a lock for one of the Smash games

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But like, it's really amazing to me nobody until Exp 33 has taken those active mechanics for JRPGs a step further like this. I mean, I guess some have, there was this game on PS2 where every attack you had like this wheel pop up and you had to hit button presses in time to get the most out of attacks, but in terms of having it both on attack and defense

peak marsh
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Another reason to shout out the devs behind Expedition 33, them shouting out other indie games that need support xD

vague galleon
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why is halo infinite so freaking trash... T-T

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halo used to be such a good franchise......

covert kraken
vague galleon
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eh

peak marsh
vague galleon
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game wont even launch

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just stuck in screen

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2 attempts, uninstalled. 20 bucks wasted.

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man, I NEVER finished MARS war logs. XD

peak marsh
vague galleon
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theyve tried, and dailed every time

peak marsh
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Though I want to see fewer popular games getting remakes and more game that had promise, but because of budget or tech or whatever weren't able to realize the promise

vague galleon
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same

peak marsh
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Like, games that were mid to bad but had good ideas that just needed some vision and resources

tepid wadi
peak marsh
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Think games like, Clive Barker's Undying, Interstate 76, Syndicate, Wing Commander, etc

tepid wadi
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I can actually think of a bunch of underappreciated or ancient gems that would be awesome.

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Black & White, Dune 2000, Dark Messiah, Otogi: Myth of Demons

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Extreme G

peak marsh
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A Black & White remake could go extremely hard

tepid wadi
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Right?

peak marsh
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Extreme G too xD

frank sonnet
peak marsh
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I'd say Jet Set Radio but we already have Bomb Rush Cyberfunk (and it's awesome and you totally should play it xD)

tepid wadi
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A VR Black and White style gesture system for spellcasting would be amazing

peak marsh
tepid wadi
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Some incredible potential for sure.

frank sonnet
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imo company's should stop trying to "fix" their older titles and just focus on making new games

tepid wadi
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Agreed

peak marsh
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Honestly I feel like in general RTS is kinda overlooked in the VR space, when it's so well suited for it

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Like imagine an RTS where you can just point to where you want your units to go or Johnny Nmemonic your way through menus xD

tepid wadi
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Yeah maybe

frank sonnet
peak marsh
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I'm saying. VR experiences are entirely focused on first person stuff when there are so many applications for the tech. An RTS where the map feels like a board game but one that responds to you, for example

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I played an indie release on Oculus a few years back, where the game was an RPG where battles were first person and required you to actively dodge or make attacks, but the map and overworld were all traditional top down but you could grab it, turn it, zoom it up to your face etc almost like a diorama and it really got me thinking that VR devs are being too short sighted

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Like in that case turning the map aorund could reveal secrets because some chests were hidden by the landscape, it was really well done

frank sonnet
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on a similar note a vr god game could be interesting

peak marsh
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That's why Black & White would go so hard. In the original you had your creature and your village, and you manipulated both with gestures. For the creature, you could smack it when it was doing something wrong or pet it when it was doing something right and it would learn behaviors. For villagers, if you wanted someone to cut wood you just picked them up and dropped them near a tree. At the time it was done with mouse but it could go so hard in VR

vague galleon
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i was never able to find that game to play it.

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i remember waiting for Godus to be a thing and then it was some sticker digging game or something.

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castle story was majorly disapointing.

vague galleon
vague galleon
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plus some stories are worth retelling.

tepid wadi
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Also older games that were too ambitious for their available tech. Landmark, Black and White, etc.

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Spore

frank sonnet
tepid wadi
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Tbh they'd basically be the same either way. Those games are old enough to vote

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Lol Black and White is 24 years old.

peak marsh
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Interstate 76 is old enough to have a substantial 401k xD

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That game was great but just technically too early. Tons of swag, a vehicle combat game with tons of weapon customization, and a (for it's time) amazing open world

frank sonnet
peak marsh
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Interstate 76 Initial release date: March 26, 1997

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Like, PCs at the time just weren't ready for what they wanted to do. It's the perfect candidate for a remake

tepid wadi
peak marsh
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Yeah, at that point you're basically starting at zero anyhow since most of your audience won't remember it

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For all intents and purposes it's basically a new game

frank sonnet
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i think that just proves my point why give it the name of a old name of a game most people don't remember start fresh

peak marsh
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It's a tale of babies and bathwater xD Why throw out good ideas for the sake of making something new?

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If a game had good bones, like solid ideas and gameplay elements, but either didn't quite have the budget to do what they wanted or were just too far ahead of the tech, why not remake those?

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It's more the point of why remake something like Oblivion that was extremely well recieved at the time, when there are so many titles languishing that could have been so much more realized with a few years or a few dollars

tepid wadi
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Well, no reason you cant use the foundations to build something new. People will see the similarities and be like "this is like Black and White, but way more modern and better!"

peak marsh
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I mean sure, but if you're going to such lengths why not use the property if it's cheap enough and have access to all of those proprietary systems you wouldn't otherwise?

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It's why "inspired by" games don't do so well. There are certain systems they just can't use

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Video game patents are a thorn in our side that can't be ignored xD

vague galleon
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oblivion was and still is a broken mess though.

tepid wadi
median relic
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Sry I have a intellectually challenged gf

peak marsh
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But also like, WTF does that have to do with anything, especially you? xD

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You have the floor xD

vague galleon
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i think they're bragging that they're not a lonely incell like the rest of us. T-T

peak marsh
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Even if you want to call us that, like, what's the point? xD

vague galleon
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i dunno

peak marsh
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Is kinda where I'm at. Like, are you just bragging that you have a GF while also belittling her? I don't see a comment about a game so like, what?

vague galleon
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i dunno, im just a potato. like my PC.

peak marsh
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Useless comments by useless people, I swear xD

frank sonnet
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yall are reading way too deep into it. its just a shitty attempt at a edgy joke

vague galleon
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well, ya, but im bored.

peak marsh
vague galleon
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vacations over bois. gotta go back to work tomorrow.... unles....

peak marsh
peak marsh
vague galleon
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so tempting.

peak marsh
peak marsh
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I wonder how many times that makes that HL3 has been "confirmed"

tranquil cove
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i'd buy zero games that were remastered and gameplay updated because if it needed that to get me excited to play it, it's probably a bad game i never enjoyed when first released anyway. part of the charm of old games is the older graphics for me too. and also i'm not spending $65 for the same game i already played.

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there might be a game, i would buy, if it were completely remade in a new game engine, but copied exactly 1:1 in every tiny detail and mechanic, and feeling.

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but this is not a remaster

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this is reprogamming the whole game, and making it new, but duplicating it. would take way much more effort than a remaster.

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especially because duplicating things in different engines, is probably difficult to do, it's hard to get source engine feelings, into UE5 probably.

timber prism
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Free upgrade, $40 new, gamepass day 1. Xbox doing it right

peak marsh
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jhxFkta2688 - The more I learn about this game and studio the more I like it

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tranquil cove
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expedition 33 is a game i will get when its 75% off in 7 years and then i can speak about it.

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i want someone to make a game

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that is real time pause based with 6 member party

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so basically baldurs gate 2.

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turn based is meh for me

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pause based is you make your turns based on actions of the enemy really, and queue up attacks, or change strategies mid attack.

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it's much more dynamic and punishing

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oh funny this guy in video talks about turn based, but i made my comments before i got there.

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i dont see the big deal with turn based. i played fallout shelter, final fantasy tactics, grew up on turn based games, final fantasy 7, probably chrono cross was turn based? lots of snes games i played: turn based. KOTOR was turn based etc. but i wouldn't say this made them good games, and truthfully i enjoyed the pause based gameplay in BG2 the most.

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also played xcom, and shadowrun etc, all turn based

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pause based is better

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Turn-based games can feel more like puzzles. Pause-based feels more like surviving a storm, where strategy lives and dies by timing and observation. It's true that many of the classics—Final Fantasy Tactics, Chrono Cross, KOTOR—used turn-based mechanics, but that doesn’t automatically make them better. The systems serve different player instincts: turn-based appeals to planners, pause-based to tacticians.

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yeah ty chatgpt for summing up my thoughts in a sycophantic way

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i guess i do consider myself a tactician, im also a planner though

tepid wadi
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There's some pretty serious overlap between the styles, heh

tranquil cove
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chatgpt says pause based is rare

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nobody likes to do it, except like, the obvious pillars of eternity or pathfinder.

tepid wadi
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It's not that rare, it's just specific to certain types of games. You see it a lot in city builders

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Like, almost all city builders, I think

tranquil cove
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well yeah you can pause in city builders

tepid wadi
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City builders are very arguably pause-based tactics though. You pause to react to emergent events and use the paused time to plan a series of actions to respond to them and plan further in the future. That's the same as it is in a CRPG or other pause-based game, just a different style and scale.

tranquil cove
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with pause based in BG2, i could fight off and win a lich battle while being underleveled by 5 levels for that battle.

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you could micromanage a lot of stuff

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between pauses

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though it also required reloading the save 100 times

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because i was so under leveled.

tepid wadi
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It's not functionally any different though. In a city builder you pause to manage resources (workers and assignments, buildings, etc). In a CRPG, you pause to manage resources (spellcasts, movement, item usage, etc)

tranquil cove
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and often entering the battle with the weakest party member in the wrong position at the start of battle meant that character would almost instantly die.

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so a good amount of restarts were to prevent that.

tranquil cove
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in a city builder, you have like 1 real time hour before the negative impact your city faces become irreverisble lol

tepid wadi
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Depends on the game, heh. In some colony builders (rimworld, going medieval, etc) you have a lot of urgency or your characters will die.

tranquil cove
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rim world is city builder with combat elements, so it's two genres combined.

tepid wadi
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That's why I call it a colony builder. Because it's a city builder but with more direct control over your colonists.

tranquil cove
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and survival that is crunched down to like 1 in game day - if colonists need to eat or recover from wounds.

tepid wadi
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But it's still a pause-based game with high urgency when events demand it

tranquil cove
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yeah but thats a good point

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i enjoy rimworld way more than turn based games

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lol

tepid wadi
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Also, some factory games are also pause-based. Factorio specifically..

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It's clearly not really that uncommon of a mechanic 😝

tranquil cove
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its uncommon in a party based rpg system for a 3d game

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with 6 party members

tepid wadi
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That's a pretty niche statement, but sure

tranquil cove
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haha

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i want BG2, but in 3D with pause based.

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not 4 party members, that was one of the worst mistakes of BG3

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i dont know whose dumb bright idea that was

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probably because they were divinity original sin devs

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but BG3 should have been 6 party

tepid wadi
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Well, that's also the party size that 5th edition D&D was built around

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3-4 memebers is the "Expected" party size

tranquil cove
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so many combat combitions become limited with 4 people

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yeah so its evident i pretty much hate 5th edition

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for multiple and numerous reasons

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including even the nerfing of certain spells like chromatic orb

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should have done BG3 in 3rd edition

tepid wadi
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I doubt WOTC would've wanted that, and it was probably up to their decision.

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I'm happy that Larian isn't working on another BG game, and they're gonna do their own thing for their next, bigger project.

tranquil cove
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i never liked larians games so far

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tried to replay divinity original sin, it didnt age well

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its even worse than i remember it

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somehow i can replay BG2 100 times and not feel that way

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or icewinddale

vague galleon
timber prism
tranquil cove
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then again i wasn't that into pillars of eternity, pathfinder was interesting

peak marsh
tepid wadi
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"Laid off <X> devs who founded their own studio that made an awesome game without corporate oversight" is probably going to become a more and more common headline, heh

peak marsh
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Here's hoping xD

tranquil cove
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i think for pillars it has the BG2 look, but everything else is a disaster, especially their weird health/endurance system which i disliked immensely at first.

for pathfinder, i think i enjoyed that they tried to make it epic like throne of bhaal was epic, and there was even a world map type game mechanic. perhaps the spells were alright? but i missed the DND 2nd edition spells in some cases.

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my overall feeling was that i need to force myself to play these games before forming a strong opinion lol

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which is what i do sometimes

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fight against my nature

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see if i end up liking it

tranquil cove
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and they started something that everyone will want now going forward

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if they make a sequel, everyone will say the first was better, and give them crap. 😆

zenith palm
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minecraft

peak marsh
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I mean, I don't think it was a case of a game nobody wanted or knew they wanted, but they did make a game focus groups and marketing execs don't think can be successful and in that environment would be seen as "too risky"

tepid wadi
tranquil cove
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given how i describe games, is there 1 million people who feel like i do! and would play the game i would design

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lol

tepid wadi
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IDK, your takes are certainly unique. I'm sure there's an audience out there that matches it, it might just be niche.

tranquil cove
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the expedition game team has talent in making the game they wanted, like a surprise game basically.. but going forward a game dev team needs talent in listening to player feedback, especially if they start making sequels. they need to be able to handle communities really well too.. design games that people also ask for... and balance that with their vision. of course they could continue to make surprise hits, that nobody really asked for (very few were demanding a french JPRG turn based about people dying at 33 etc.)

peak marsh
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Like, for a company like EA or Ubi to make a game like 33, they would probably have to invest like $10 mil and a hundred devs, and for that investment the execs would need to see some kind of revenue flow or return so a company like that just wouldn't green light it. The fact they were able to do it with a 30 person team and minimal overhead (also finding a good publisher relationship with resources and connections) means they saw a lot more return than a AAA would. And that's why AAA is collapsing under it's own weight xD

tranquil cove
peak marsh
tranquil cove
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if i had millions of dollars as a triple A, i would probably have a creative branch or something in my game dev company. like a mini dev team of 40 people who i pay to take risks and make the game they want to make. or i would just go and buy up indie devs whose games i like and fund them, and let them retain creative freedom when their game is a success.

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wait is that called a publisher

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LOL

tepid wadi
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That's what Tencent does, basically

peak marsh
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That's the thing, they've actually been doing that, then laying them off when they're done because there's no continued revenue after release xD

tepid wadi
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Yeah, that's the weird nonsensical thing, heh

peak marsh
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Hi Fi Rush team, for example

tranquil cove
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they could also run an event or exhibition for people to pitch their game ideas

timber prism
tranquil cove
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like they could hire me, and ill make them a good game

peak marsh
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Or the Prince of Persia: The Lost Crown team

tranquil cove
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there are lots of people like me, with good ideas imo

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theres no end of good ideas that would be popular

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i could give special feedback on MMOs, rpgs, and even racing games

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and space games, and sandbox builders

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im stuck playing trackmania like 20 years later, the old one, stadium, because the new one sucks. and no new racings games have been good at all.

timber prism
tranquil cove
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and final fantasy went away from it i heard

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into more action gameplay

timber prism
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Yeah

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Square Enix still pushes out smaller IPs with it but FF has moved away from them

tranquil cove
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though if its pause-action i am all for pause-action

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full action no

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full action is god of war, no?

timber prism
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FF7 Rebirth is full action

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With the pause option

tranquil cove
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yeah but if its 1 character you dont need the pause, nothing much tactical going on

somber acorn
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Does anyone play league ? I've been trying to learn from my buddies stream lol 😅 I'm really bad at it.

tranquil cove
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and if its pause on opening menu, rather than pause, and select combat moves, that is different

timber prism
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There is character swapping in FF7 regardless of being full action

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FF16 is single with allies

tranquil cove
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i dont play many full action games, or FPS's, i played like god of war briefly, some tomb raider games, some zombie games like dead island, metro 2033 etc. played lots of older FPS games, duke nukem mostly 😆

peak marsh
timber prism
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I play most games but if I said there was a genre I don't play nearly as much it would be city/colony builders and 4x strats

tranquil cove
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i used to play ROME game a lot, LORDS of the relam 2, conquest of the new world, as a kid. as well as sim city 2000, and roller coaster tycoon. grew up on sim/colony builders. played anno more recently? but yeah cities skylines? i played less and was into that less.

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i am less into RTS genre. but ive played starcraft and age of empires.

timber prism
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I hope futuristic sci fi fantasy like RIFTS

peak marsh
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Given their relatively small size and large success, they should at least have the luxury of time to figure it out

timber prism
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But I always want this XD

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Shadow Run JRPG x.x

peak marsh
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That would be pretty awesome. Like a futuristic cyber punk JRPG

timber prism
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Yes!

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RIFTS lore was always neat with cyberdragons etc.

peak marsh
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Thinking about it, you really don't see those. JRPGs always seem to be either medieval, fantasy, or occasionally steampunk

tepid wadi
peak marsh
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With the exception of Persona

tepid wadi
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There's a setting that has unlimited potential

timber prism
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Right?!! If pulled off right it would be so cool

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😭

tepid wadi
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"if pulled off right" doing some heavy lifting, heh

timber prism
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Hahahah

tepid wadi
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something something the Shadowrun xbox game 🤦‍♀️

timber prism
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I tried so hard to love that game

tepid wadi
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It would've been a GREAT game... if it hadn't been called "shadowrun"

timber prism
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Yeah

tepid wadi
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A shadowrun CRPG would be amazing, actually.

timber prism
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The tactics ones are fun

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But yeah. A CRPG version or JRPG style would be a def buy from me

peak marsh
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I honestly forgot about that Shadowrun Xbox game. Maybe my mind blocked it out like a protection mechanisim xD

frank sonnet
peak marsh
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They were basically trying to make another CoD with an old franchise

tepid wadi
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That importantly had nothing to do with shadowrun.

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Thing was, it had great gameplay mechanics

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It just made no sense to be a "shadowrun" game

peak marsh
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Right? Like they could have made it almost anything else and it would have been fine. Problem is people looking for a multiplayer shooter don't know what Shadowrun is, and people who know what Shadowrun is weren't going in looking for a shooter. It did an exceptional job of appealing to no one

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Then the studio was shut down within the first year so even the multiplayer part didn't work. All you could do was practice matches against bots after that

frank sonnet
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honestly shadowrun the ttrpg sounds fun

tranquil cove
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shadowrun another rpg series i never finished

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lol

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i need to get playing

tepid wadi
frank sonnet
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i'd make a pinball wizard

tepid wadi
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Post apocalyptic magitech seattle is very fitting 😝

frank sonnet
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the space needle as the eye of Sauron

tepid wadi
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Woodland park zoo is a menagerie for all sorts of weird fantasy creatures

vague galleon
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There are actual shadowrun RPG video games now though.

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but they seem to be very story driven and not more free form like other games so I lost interest quick.

peak marsh
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DAMMIT @tepid wadi

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https://store.steampowered.com/app/234650/Shadowrun_Returns/

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theres some others as well.

peak marsh
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Oh right, I remember that one. It's like 10 years old though

vague galleon
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very old.

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i have 1.5 hours.

tepid wadi
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Yeah, very old. It's hard to play super old CRPGs, otherwise I'd go back and play Arcanum

vague galleon
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"super old"

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baldurs gate is super old. this is mildly recent.

timber prism
# vague galleon DAMMIT <@238065694158225408>

This too https://store.steampowered.com/app/300550/Shadowrun_Dragonfall__Directors_Cut/

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vague galleon
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have it

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and the hong kong one

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have played neither

timber prism
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unfortunate

vague galleon
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well when ya got over 1400 games and prefer more actiony stuff. >_>

tranquil cove
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let me see which i played

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dragonfall the most, 53 hours

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hong kong 6 hours

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returns 8 hours

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i liked them all though, just its hard to stay playing consistently

tepid wadi
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I have that same problem tbh. CRPGs just don't hold me like I'd like. I enjoy my time with them, but don't find them as sticky.

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Now give me an ARPG in the shadowrun universe? I'll play 1000 hours

vague galleon
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i like a good arpg, shame there arent many.

tranquil cove
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im bad with acronyms

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arpg ^

tepid wadi
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CRPG: Character RPG - BG, Divinity, Pillars of Eternity, Arcanum, etc
ARPG: Action RPG (usually isometric, top down) - Path of Exile, Last Epoch, Diablo
Action RPG: Different from ARPG (Usually 1st or 3rd person) - Dark Souls, Devil May Cry, God of War, Assassin's Creed, etc

frank sonnet
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You know i wonder why ARPGs aren't called Diablo likes?

tepid wadi
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Mostly because we've been calling them ARPGs for like 20 years

tranquil cove
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ARPG is titan quest? when it's 1 character?

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character therefore means multiple characters only?

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oh also because titan quest is real time?

tepid wadi
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I'm not saying it's the best descriptor for them, but that's just what they're called

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I think it's mostly because ARPG = focused on the action (killing tons of enemies, etc)
CRPG = focused on the characters (interactions, lore, story, etc)

tranquil cove
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oh interesting so you prefer games with bad story? 😛

"Now give me an ARPG in the shadowrun universe? I'll play 1000 hours"

tepid wadi
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Eh, I like games where a big aspect of it is making character builds and seeing how they evolve through gameplay

tranquil cove
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ARPG probably shares good story with CRPG right?

tepid wadi
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CRPGs often have VERY slow power progression

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Usually ARPGs are less focused on the story and more focused on the mechanics

tranquil cove
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i think i like CRPGs but i'm just old and cant stick with games. the only ARPG i ever liked was titan quest, but like you say its not for the story or interactions as much as it's for loot. i dont even enjoy the mechanics that much in ARPGs. find it repetitive and boring usually.

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so probably my only sticking power in an ARPG is completionist personality

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for CRPG I think you're right, for me its story and combat which i find more tactical/engaging.

tepid wadi
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Loot is a big part of ARPGs yeah, they all do things differently but it's the focus on action and power progression, that sort of thing

tranquil cove
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I played Diablo 2, and POE1 and never stuck with them

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or we could argue i stuck with them less than CRPGs

frank sonnet
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Mass effect 2 was also good.

tranquil cove
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but I bet most games that i personally consider top games, i think also have good stories.

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if the main point of a game is to build, then the story is really your progress in the game maybe, like rimworld, since there is no real narrative there and only character backstories.

tepid wadi
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Yeah, you can also build a game so that it has more "lore" than "story". Like I'd say the Souls games are really light on story, but they have excellent world lore that makes you interested in the cohesive world that's built.

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Lots of different ways that if you set things up well, the game can be very strong.

timber prism
tranquil cove
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maybe, but for me i dont think gameplay at my age sells me, if that's all the game has.

timber prism
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So at one point you enjoyed gameplay over story games?

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like in the 80s?

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Never got into Wolfenstein?

tranquil cove
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would you classify sidescrollers as more gameplay oriented?

timber prism
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I would... most sidescrollers especially beat em ups have little story to them

tranquil cove
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i never tried ninja gaiden or megaman 😭

timber prism
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like.. Double Dragon...

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Streets of Rage

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those are awful stories lmao

tranquil cove
timber prism
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sure but the story in tiger road was awful right?

tranquil cove
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yeah it was barely a story i mean

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just save the kids lol

timber prism
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exactly

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like.. even think Super Mario Brothers

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one of the worst stories ever

tranquil cove
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yeah i see your point

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there are more purist gameplay games that i do find fun still

timber prism
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I kinda agree with you though... ARPGs in general out of any RPG has some of the worst story plots

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but its pretty easily seen that its not really the focus of it versus other styles of RPGs

tranquil cove
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yep

timber prism
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i think the only ones that really compete in that regard are 99% of MMO's

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I think the story of FF14 is pretty entertaining though

tranquil cove
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i feel like if you throw in any redemption arc in a game

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i will be hooked

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lol

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combine with romance

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and dragons

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boom TES 6

timber prism
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haha

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i also enjoy all of those things

tranquil cove
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expeditions looks like it has some redemption arc in it?

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i saw some girl vanishing before another guy

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that guy must blame himself that he couldnt save her

timber prism
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i dont want to spoil anything about Expedition 33 but I personally really enjoy it

peak marsh
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frank sonnet
peak marsh
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Like, I loved the original and beat it as a kid but also it was an extremely frustrating and weird game. Best part was the soundtrack

vague galleon
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i need them to fix JSR and release the sequel on steam.

tranquil cove
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i want MYST sequel

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with modern tech and graphics

peak marsh
timber prism
peak marsh
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Only problem is selling 1m or more on Epic xD

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round beacon
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You can only challenge when you are actually considered a challange to begin with.
And epic slept over that one already for ages lol

peak marsh
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They keep throwing all this money at free games and low fees when they need to put at least 1/4 of that into their storefront and UI xD

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Because as is they don't have even 1/4 of the features Steam does

round beacon
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and they wont for another 5 years. even though they've been told how many times now?

its the usual funny fail. gabe doesnt have to do anything. just sits there and wins because everyone else be like "WE KNOW IT BETTER"

peak marsh
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Well and plus, nobody wants multiple launchers. We did that in the 00s and it sucked. It's extremely convenient to have your library and friends contained in one app that just works

round beacon
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exactly. and yet they still sit there and wonder why they cant get people into their stuff.

tranquil cove
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epic free games good
epic zero percent for first $1 million good
epic games tradeable? giftable after you played them? would be good.

but UI bad... but if UI was good would easily be a choice over steam.

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especially with the refund part

peak marsh
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UI and features. They're still missing a ton of things a basic storefront should have. Heck it was more than 5 years until they had a shopping cart function. A shopping cart. For a storefront xD

round beacon
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theres way more problems until epic comes even close to beeing a respectable contender.

tranquil cove
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im just saying making it so i could trade any game i want to friend? gift it away for free even? and therefore stop owning that game?

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would definitely sell me

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if they could pack that with UI changes/features i'd switch

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UI alone wont make me switch

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since i have 350 games on steam

round beacon
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lot of whatifs fell_smort

peak marsh
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Doesn't Steam let you loan games?

round beacon
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it does

tranquil cove
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i dont want to loan games

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it lets you buy a game and then play with friends for free

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and it has a family share option