other-games

[tranquil cove]

NMS is a good game, but someone wrote that "building is one of the most enjoyable aspects of the game" and i was like.. yeah no... they must be insane. building in no mans sky is only good once you put 20 hours into building.

[tepid wadi]

Yeah I doubt I'll play every season of it, but I'll definitely come back to it and check it out again every once in a while.

[reef bobcat]

I almost tried that game

[reef bobcat]

same

[tranquil cove]

then you sort of get used to all the drawbacks, and you can still build good enough structures without glitch building, but in NMS the community invented glitch building to give their build more freedom... ie through glitch building you can find the center of tiles and snap to the center, allowing you to make circles.

or 32 to 64 sided walls, which appear as circles

anyway all of this is huge evidence the building needs an update

[tepid wadi]

There definitely needs to be a new standard in survival building. The "Build walls and foundations" style is getting pretty old.

[reef bobcat]

I am not sure how I would like the outer space environment. I could not get into Starfield

[tranquil cove]

but making a 64 sided walled room still takes like 1 hour of intricate floor placement, and glitch techniques.

[tepid wadi]

NMS is definitely a different feel than starfield. I'd say it's well worth picking up at this point. You could easily get 50-100 hours out of it, even without doing much building.

[tranquil cove]

zerax did you try NMS?

[tepid wadi]

I never build real bases on planets, just basically "teleport points" so I can get specific resources

Yeah I've played a fair bit of it.

[tranquil cove]

they want me to wire separate lights in my own base

[reef bobcat]

oh wow

[tranquil cove]

mean while in prefabs i can just attach a wire to the whole prefab, and anything inside gets power

[tepid wadi]

I just never want to build a base on a planet because... I have a giant freighter to build a base on, why would I want a planetside base?

[tranquil cove]

it should have been the same with walled structures

[tranquil cove]

yeah but this is also indicative of building not having an incentive for players, when freighter bases are just easier

[reef bobcat]

I have always though the game looked cool. If it ever goes on sale I might buy it.

[tranquil cove]

but now there's fishing

so people minimally are making fishing bases/hutts

[tepid wadi]

I mean, the incentive for some players is "I want to build", so it can appeal to some people for sure.

[reef bobcat]

Fishing seems to be a hook for a lot of people.

I kinda like it myself

[tranquil cove]

i like base building, i hate 100 things about it, but like i said after 20 hours of getting used to it, the building on planets is actually overall good

[reef bobcat]

We need shroud fishing 🤨

[tranquil cove]

i made the base i wanted to make, even without glitch building

which is not what i can say about other games

[tepid wadi]

Once we get water, I'm sure fishing is sure to follow.

I have a buddy who we joke will play any game if it's got fishing 😝

[reef bobcat]

That will be sweet

[tranquil cove]

zerax did you know in NMS the cargo containers dont line up

[reef bobcat]

I have an uncle who loves fishing games

[tranquil cove]

the snapping is actually off

that would be the equivalent of chests in enshrouded not snapping in perfect alignment

it would be insane

[tepid wadi]

That would drive me nuts

[reef bobcat]

Graphics in No Mans Sky look pretty amazing

[tranquil cove]

here you can see the misalignement

you can see each cargo container, progressively gets lower or higher when put into a row

because each one is misaligned by 1mm or something

[reef bobcat]

that would drive me nuts

[tranquil cove]

so by the end of 5 in a row its really obvious

because each mistake in alignment builds

[tepid wadi]

https://tenor.com/view/eye-twitch-cat-angry-mad-pissed-gif-15680052

[tranquil cove]

yeah it's one of the many OCD crazy thngs i found in the building

but overall i managed to hide it/made it work in my build

[reef bobcat]

You can't unsee it 🙈

[tranquil cove]

the bigger issue was because of the misalignment the cargo container would poke through to the second floor

LOL

[reef bobcat]

oh goodness

[tranquil cove]

this was the other crazy thing

mis matching textures

the top of this 1 wall has a thicker light beam

LOL

its the only wall that does this

[reef bobcat]

Is it a single player game?

[tranquil cove]

yeah single player with MP, sort of like you can run into people in a place called the anomaly

[reef bobcat]

gotcha

[tranquil cove]

and people can join you if you invite them

if MP is on you have a chance to run into to people in space but the universe is so big it never happens

[tepid wadi]

It's fun to run around with friends, for sure

[reef bobcat]

For some reason I get it confused with Star Citizen

[tranquil cove]

so yeah i could not use that wall

because of the mismatch, and too bad, because it was the only half wall piece

which severely limits what i can do without it

but this wall is in wood building

there is still stone/and alloy metal i need to try

stone apparently looks really good

[reef bobcat]

I like building with stone

[tranquil cove]

this was my completed wood base

my plan is to find a planet, and then make a stone base, and another planet make an alloy metal base, and then see which i prefer

[reef bobcat]

see that is nice

[tranquil cove]

yeah thats why i say overall the building is good - because end of the day i could create what i wanted

it just takes 20 hours to get there

to get used to the lack of qol things

and get over that 1 alignment issue, i spent 2 hours on that

lol

the snapping stairs issue

[reef bobcat]

That reminds me of a home I built in another game actually

really like that

[tranquil cove]

there is also tons of interior decoration, but i never decked out my base yet in a lot of it

the big issue is lighting

i have to place and wire most lights

big drawback to building imo

[reef bobcat]

sounds a little too realistic

[tranquil cove]

and the lighting is not that good

you're base is guarunteed to probably still feel too dark

[reef bobcat]

we want realism, but too much is a bad thing sometimes - it must be hard to balance that

[tranquil cove]

especially if you have high ceilings

[reef bobcat]

high ceilings are a must

I don't like feeling cramped

[tranquil cove]

the way wiring works in prefabs, so a ready build room you place down, is you just attach a wire to the prefab, and anything inside gets power, and the prefabs come with lights and the lights are bright.

[reef bobcat]

Does the game ever go on sale?

i would love to build in it after seeing yours

but the price is just too much for me right now

[tranquil cove]

i want to be able to attach a wire to a wall and anything attached to that wall recieves power, and for example wood building comes with roof tiles that come with lights, but the lights are like dim LEDs or something, and don't light anything.

[tranquil cove]

i think it was on sale

you missed it

[reef bobcat]

At least it goes on sale. Some games do not.

That is good to know

added it to my Steam wishlist

[tranquil cove]

it seems like it has 60% off sales

[reef bobcat]

that would be nice

I hate when I buy a game and it goes on sale just a few days later

[tranquil cove]

so here

see the very low points on the graph at the start and end?

those were 60% off sales

the other low points are 50% off

so 50% is more common maybe

but the last 2 sales were 60% off

[reef bobcat]

I don't really want to pay over $30-$35 max for a game right now.

Have just been burned too many times.

[tranquil cove]

the game is definitely worth it on sale there is a ton of things to do

but it's mainly a create your own objective style sandbox game

but there is fishing, cooking, base building, obtaining a freighter, obtaining ships, leveling up your characters technologies, there is multitool (your mining tool/weapon) that you upgrade as well. you also upgrade ships, there are special types of ships you can get... there are colonies you can create and manage (though this one of the least developed aspects of the game probably with some criticism from players), there is expeditions which are like events with special rewards for the community etc.

animal taming

etc.

finding beautiful planets and so on

[reef bobcat]

I love the life skills like fishing, cooking, building

and gardening

[tranquil cove]

yeah there is gardening too

[reef bobcat]

but combat has to be good also, that truly makes a game that much better

I mean, if there is combat

[tranquil cove]

NMS isn't very combat focused, on land you have sentinels that can attack you if you disturb a planet

[reef bobcat]

You're really making me want to buy it 😆

[tranquil cove]

and you have like 5-6 weapon technologies

you have a personal cloak too if you get the tech

[reef bobcat]

Oh that is actually preferable

I can do combat, but can definitely live without it

[tranquil cove]

in space you can be attacked by pirates, and again 5-6 weapons for a ship

[reef bobcat]

You need to quit promoting the game, or lend me $60 🤣

[tranquil cove]

lol

[reef bobcat]

It sounds like something to look forward to

I really looked at it a couple months ago. But was not able to play games at the time. So had to pass.

But I can now

[tranquil cove]

there is technically pvp, but... you mainly just 1 shot people, and its often because they arent aware pvp is enabled by default

if they are normal mode game then dying from pvp has no consequence for them

if they were permadeath mode or survival, you might have ruined their day.

[reef bobcat]

i would need to turn that off

[tranquil cove]

most people play normal mode

[reef bobcat]

I don't hate pvp; just not any good at it

[tranquil cove]

survival has limitations that most dont love

[reef bobcat]

pvp can be fun

[tranquil cove]

mostly item counts

[reef bobcat]

do people gank each other?

[tranquil cove]

not that i'm aware, it's a really chill community

[reef bobcat]

nioce

[tranquil cove]

survival has you can only carry 500 stack, and cargo containers ships can only carry 1000

whereas normal mode, is a 1000 stack, and 10,000 in cargo containers/ships?

or something

so nobody really like survival lol i play survival though

[reef bobcat]

I just want to chill and tend to my house, etc

[tranquil cove]

as a beginner the struggle will be real with inventory space

but you can upgrade to pretty huge inventory in your ships, and on your person

[reef bobcat]

Oh gosh I hate the inventory space limitations!

[tranquil cove]

it will be there until you upgrade

[reef bobcat]

But it seems like every game has them

[tranquil cove]

there are easy and hard ways to get cargo expansion modules

every space station lets you buy 1, so kind of gets expensive as the price goes up each time

[reef bobcat]

I am not sure why devs want to make it incredibly hard to get just an average amount of storage. Give use decent storage and leave the storage grind to much higher levels

[tranquil cove]

but you can also buy 60 drop pod locations very cheap, and then grind those for 2 hours

and you'll have 60 inventory slots more

so kinda grindy

[reef bobcat]

That is a matter of convenience imo

[tranquil cove]

the other way is there is something called guild envoys, and you have standing with them

they accept donations

[reef bobcat]

I don't mind grind if the gameplay loop works. Think I put in 130 hours in this game in like a month.

[tranquil cove]

they usually look for 6 items you can donate? its random

when you donate their standing rises

[reef bobcat]

And I don't play games that often. So if it works, it works.

[tranquil cove]

when you reach certain standing levels, they offer you items back for free

that you can grab basically anytime you reload save, or enter that system

so basically get your guild envoy standing to max on all 3 guilds

by giving them stuff

[reef bobcat]

Kind of interesting they didn't make this an MMO. But I guess they are risky.

[tranquil cove]

and then find guild envoys that reward you with all the different cargo slots in the game

you can get exosuit suit slots (player inventory), multitool technology slots, ship cargo slots, freighter slots etc.

and then just reload save, and you can get 1 every 20 seconds

lol

telling you all the tricks

[reef bobcat]

I may have to ask again once I get the game

You have sold me on it for sure

But I just bought a bunch of games on Steam. So it will be a while, or when it goes on sale.

I still have to finish this game

[tranquil cove]

the old method of getting ship slots, was to buy an S class ship, then scrap it, and you usually get 2-3 ship cargo slots

but you lose around 5 million units each time

[reef bobcat]

I really liked designing my ships in Eve Online, and one other game I cannot recall at the moment. But have not seen a cool space game since.

[tranquil cove]

and buying a ship cargo slot usually costs 60-120 million, so this was a good method to get 3 cargo slots.

but with guild envoy you can get them free if you build up your standing

[tranquil cove]

they recently added ship customization/building

it's not perfect, and could definitely use work, but it exists now lol

[reef bobcat]

At least here it sounds like I will not get blown up and trolled every day 😆

[tranquil cove]

nope, and the save system usually saves you from problems

since it happens frequently

and you can just reload a save

[reef bobcat]

Sounds really good

Any other games you want to sell me on that I can't afford right now?

😆

i am always looking for a new game

kinda picky

just tried really hard to get into BG3 but could not get into it

[tranquil cove]

lol

get cosmoteer

its good

you build ships

[reef bobcat]

I have a friend who played that. Kinda forgot about it. He said it was good also.

I better get some work done, at least for a little while.

So I can afford all these games!

Thanks for the chat @tranquil cove

Talk to you soon!

[tranquil cove]

ill show you ships i made in cosmoteer

this one is a cargo ship.

and this is a beam ship.

pretty high level designs, i'd say average player can't make it. i got an expert to paint it though, painting is hard and time consuming asf. - even less players are good painters, and the ones who are make very good ships as well.

with cosmoteer there are logistics for every technology

so your crew needs to be close to the reactor, so they can carry batteries to the shield

and the reactor and shield need to be close, so you have the most shield uptime

etc. lots of things like this

[reef bobcat]

very cool

[reef bobcat]

Gah. Fera looks bad.

[tranquil cove]

oh yeah cleaning my PC and i found video i made of valheims annoying microsnap issues

so yeah it's not like i made this stuff up, bunch of games have pretty severe issues with building if the player has OCD like me 😄 this took me 3 hours of rebuilding the same building and destroying it, to figure out how to get rid of the snap problem.. not fun. that was like 3x more time spent on a build than necessary.

the micro snap problem thankfully doesn't happen often

but it can appear in a build somehow, i think more common if you're doing circular walls though.

might be something with wood placement within the build too, since maybe the wood offsets the brick placement somehow

anyway i just consider in a building game the snapping is like the number one priority and the whole dev team should work on this problem and eliminate it, snapping should always be easy and work 100% correctly.

and it feels like a lot of developers dont prioritize it this way, which is sad.

the game's gotta snap properly, everything else is secondary including content.

[tepid wadi]

Oh yeah, that's always been a huge problem in valheim.

If you're not paying attention you can have little gaps and it is very frustrating.

[vague galleon]

the amount of pockets in my floating island in enshrouded makes me sad.

[tranquil cove]

if you do a curved wall in valheim

like a circle

actually let me draw it

if you do any of these orders in valheim

you introduce the microsnap issue

only the green way works

you build the circle after you build the walls

you cant just progress from one wall into a circle and back to other wall

learned this the hard way

so basically in the green you would connect wall 1 and 2, and then do your circle and erase the wall 1 and 2 connection

so you can have a circular room or whatever

[reef bobcat]

hardcore parkour

[tawny trellis]

hello

[marsh lagoon]

Not sure if its been talked about in here at all... it might have. Anyone checking out the new game that just came out on steam today for EA Project Castaway? From what I have seen it looks pretty fun.

[languid pawn]

BUSCO AYUDA EN JUEGO ALGUN HISPANO

[reef bobcat]

From the Steam reviews it looks like it may need a bit more polish.

[untold lynx]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5FrhtahQiRc
is this year's Worlds championship song a banger?

[timber prism]

I wouldn't call it a banger but its much better than Emily singing to old LP songs

Excited to hear the new album

[hollow barn]

Emily singing the old songs feels to me just like that they haven't found the perfect adjustments for her yet

[candid quiver]

World championship of what? ^^

[timber prism]

League of Legends

[tepid wadi]

I worked with the lead music guy on LoL when I was at Riot a few years back (not sure if he's still in charge of it) but their music and animation stuff has always been stellar. I love the "pros cosplaying as their heroes" animation.

It's good, but I don't think it holds a candle to Warriors: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fmI_Ndrxy14

[timber prism]

Forgot how much I hated that band and song until now XD

[finite saffron]

I don't think I can hear an Imagine dragons song anymore without thinking of this meme https://youtu.be/28HkXoCghm8?si=ROuRROF1__ZvBOWP

[tepid wadi]

Lol, that's excellent

I don't have strong feelings about Imagine Dragons in general, I just like the League song

[candid quiver]

Oh oki ^^

[reef bobcat]

https://youtu.be/0wNlxwfpIu8?si=47jNU80FRQoAEZlw

[misty arch]

https://youtu.be/ZMBqJZW6_9k?si=j1B02DdJTJGPga4G

[timber prism]

!!!

https://youtu.be/7z7kqwuf0a8?si=6NqSJIttZamHsCb0

\o/

[untold lynx]

neat. My faves are uuuh Rise and maybe Phoenix? Just based off of how much fun they are in Beat Saber

[thick lily]

woot, finally:

[tepid wadi]

wow damn

[misty arch]

https://youtu.be/jxSlVspp1cI?si=-NKY4OIekMVFjKPj

[finite saffron]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VJ9BU6--LD8 one of the coolest artstyles I've ever seen in a videogame

[valid whale]

There are far too many good video games and far too
little time to play all the masterpieces 🤩
To be continued

[heavy relic]

dude I am not watching any more videos of Wilds till I get my hands on the game XD

[tepid wadi]

It's a good time to be a gamer, for sure. Lots of good stuff coming out.

[tranquil cove]

the way people feel about movies giving them 1 stars, i feel about video games

wasn't impressed with bg3

have very few to little interest in new games, like everything people post here

the last thing i liked was "we who are about to die"

and it's a small indie developed game, by 1 dev

i'm playing NMS made in 2016, and sometimes an old game like trackmania 2 stadium

with my 3080ti i find i'm playing games that could have run on windows XP, and enjoying them more

lol

like rimworld or cosmoteer etc. corekeeper

[tepid wadi]

On the topic of smaller indie games, check out Cataclismo. It's a super good RTS/city defense game

[tranquil cove]

looks interesting

at first i was like this sucks

so i went to watch a gameplay vid

and now it looks pretty good

lol

so crazy how gameplay vid reveals so much more than screenshot

and changes opinion drastically

[timber prism]

https://x.com/monsterhunter/status/1839891887160770582

Monster Hunter (@monsterhunter) on X

Smell that? Yes, your nose does not deceive you! The pink-furred fanged beast with a penchant for flatulence, Congalala, returns in Monster Hunter Wilds! #MHWilds

Twitter · Sep 28, 2024, 4:56 AM

[heavy relic]

https://tenor.com/view/pedro-monkey-puppet-meme-awkward-gif-15268759

the hell is that?!

[timber prism]

C O N G A L A L A

[heavy relic]

https://tenor.com/view/bunnies-what-confused-meh-gif-12007368131756137942

[sweet patrol]

YES!!!!!!

It is the most fun monster to fight for me

made all the more entertaining with a well aimed dragon piercer lol

Got the MH worlds collection on steam and am currently replaying it worlds has got to be my favorite one

[timber prism]

Yeah. Iceborne is so good

Can't wait for Wilds

[sweet patrol]

Fav weapon in icebourne has got to be the shara ishvalda hammer though I dont even use hammers just love the design with the hand

[misty arch]

https://youtu.be/cCmC6cT0XQk?si=tpe8w7jj-YVetFvx

[tranquil cove]

@tepid wadi gonna give it a try now

i don't know if it was worth $25 on sale we'll see, from the gameplay vid it only looks like a $15 game or something, but maybe it's more deep than it seems.

what i mean is if the game is just build a wall and defend it, with 20 different peices then its not that deep, but if it has like 40 pieces i never saw before, and more than just archers as a defense, like you can throw hot oil, or make traps or level up the archers or something, then it's more deeper in the building/defense part...

i know the game has a story in the campaign

lol this game is an enshrouded defense game

it has deadly mist and horrors that live in the mist

[timber prism]

I appreciate hammer bros. I am a Hunting Horn Main so I Team Bonk haha

[sweet patrol]

I am a bow main

[tepid wadi]

Yeah it gets a lot deeper as you go along

[tranquil cove]

i dont get what height my wall is

is each block 1 meter?

is this 3m on top of that block

because when i scroll to the top of that block it then says 4m

so is it 4 meters with the block included? its confusing

i want to know what the wall is right now, i dont care what the wall will be when i add the block

we only need to be told 1 measurement basically

is the measurement we are being told what the wall will be with the block? or what the wall is currently?

because if it's measurement with the block it's bad game design imo

nvm i figured it out

its 4 meters at the bottom of the block

and 3 meteres at the bottom of the block, in previous screenshots

LOL kinda a bad system

confusing, lucky you can see height AFTER you select a character

and it makes more sense then

so my characters are actually on a 4m wall

i guess that's what their little icon means with the floor and arrow, but still confusing, you can only guess it means that basically until you confirm it means that

as it is with symbols

[tepid wadi]

I didn't have any trouble figuring it out, it seems fine. 🤷‍♀️

[tranquil cove]

interesting game https://youtu.be/-Ku_dZGBPSk

https://store.steampowered.com/app/1562430/DREDGE/

Steam

DREDGE

Captain your fishing trawler to explore a collection of remote isles, and their surrounding depths, to see what lies below. Sell your catch to the locals and complete quests to learn more about each area’s troubled past. Outfit your boat with better equipment to trawl deep-sea trenches and navigate to far-off lands, but keep an eye on the time. ...

Price

$16.19

Recommendations

29623

▶ Play video

overwhelming positive and on sale

[timber prism]

https://x.com/Wario64/status/1840211269934043480

Wario64 (@Wario64) on X

Death Stranding 2 photo mode looks crazy

Twitter · Sep 29, 2024, 2:05 AM

[tepid wadi]

Yeah, dredge is super good

[placid night]

oh man I've had dredge on my wishlist for a very long time. But does anyone here know if it's better to play it on switch vs pc? still debating on that point...

[tranquil cove]

if anyone gets dredge be careful with the pricing

i'll do canadian prices, but it works with any region

you can get the complete edition of dredge with all dlcs, for 55.99$ with 4.95$ tax included in that price

or you can get dredge deluxe for 20.99, and then get the update pack with the 2 dlcs that are missing for 16.75

or

you can buy dredge deluxe first

wait for steam to recognize you own the game

and then instead of a 28% off sale on the update pack, you also get the offer of a 30% off sale on the update pack

so you save 50 cents lol

so yeah weird pricing all around

basically if you avoid the complete edition entirely, you save around 10-15$

[reef bobcat]

paying more than $35 for a game is something for young people who still have faith in humanity

[tranquil cove]

yeah well the base game is on sale for $20

dlcs can always wait, but with all dlc its 40$ right now

i think it's lame when games have DLC though, especially when there is 10 more dlc and buying them all is $400-800 (sims and crusader kings and games like that come to mind).

i also don't think dredge base game is worth $40 lol which is what they sell it for

i mean its all subjective but, to me the sale price is often what the game is worth, so it's like the sale is where you get the actual price, and therefore it's not really a sale, just an opportunity to not be ripped off

so if dredge base game is actually worth $25 then the sale price would have been $14

instead we're getting a sale price of $20 so somewhere in between

oh nvm they selling base game at 32$ full price, which is like 35$ with tax.. it's iffy it's worth that subjectively for me, i mean. one could argue if you really value the game then it's worth 32, i guess. if it was $40 then definitely no.

but yeah i'm just basing it on other games i've played, and hours of fun i got from them, and the level graphics they had, and the amount of content, and how good they were still, some overwhelming positive, and they were cheaper than 32$ at full price.

and they didn't have expensive dlc

if you bought everything full price here, you'd be buying a triple A game price

[timber prism]

Yup. Dredge is great. Totally worth paying full price for when it first released

Can't wait for this in 2 weeks

https://youtu.be/KyzAJFJaO9w?si=bNFPwdVtIgKoVNi3

They have my fav UI for a RPG

And the music is 10/10

[tranquil cove]

why isn't BG3 on sale during turn based fest? it is a turn based game isn't it

it was one of the huge differences between bg3 and bg2, in 2 you could pause, but it was real time combat.

so you had to setup actions, unpause, then pause and setup more actions

and things could go sideways, and you had minimal opportunity to fix it, thereby making 2 the much harder game.

honestly i'd rag on BG3 less if it was named anything else, and took place in any other city, should have been a stand alone sequel instead of a comparison to BG2, which it will always lose.

https://media.wizards.com/2015/images/dnd/resources/Sword-Coast-Map_HighRes.jpg

so many cities, and they keep recycling the same ones

so many different campaigns too

and supposedly this is the whole world

we getting a 70-150 gig game, with 1 city, and 2 more games with the same city, for a total of 3 times in the same general area.. come on man

[timber prism]

BG3 is a fantastic game. That is all.

[vague galleon]

there were 5 baldur gates.

[tranquil cove]

yeah 2 more with expansions

[vague galleon]

almost 6 but the gaming industry sucks.

no. dark alliance 1 and 2

[tranquil cove]

that took palce in baldurs gate?

at least it wasn't named baldurs gate

[vague galleon]

it was.

baldurs gate dark alliance.

[tranquil cove]

oh wtf i missed a whole 2 games

[vague galleon]

they were very sub par.

[tranquil cove]

i'd still rank the games something like

BG2 throne of bhaal, BG2, BG1, BG3, then all the dark alliance stuff judging from screenshots and your comment that it was subpar

maybe i'd put BG3 as a tie with 1

for different reasons, the graphics, and environments etc.

but i can coast by on BG2 graphic any day

so the comparison fails there, between bg2 and 3 even though 3 is better graphics doesn't matter to me there

then it comes down to combat, characters, and story

BG2 wins in all categories

BG2 i replayed like 6 times

BG3 i didn't even beat once got so bored in act 3

will have to trudge through it eventually

i feel like BG3 replay value is nearly zero alone, and maybe only exists if you get some friends together

BG2 i was looking forward to playing alone all these years so i dunno

[timber prism]

Self problem

I had a blast replaying BG3

And coop with my friends

I have had multiple sessions running at a time

[tranquil cove]

i mean there is a ton of content, and reasons to replay, it's just not motivated unless i get a group together

yeah but all of them were coop

which kinda reinforces my point

[timber prism]

Yeah. Self issue

Learn to read

[tranquil cove]

you have a ton of coop going becuase thats where the true fun lies in replaying the game

[timber prism]

I said multiple sessions which also included friends

[tranquil cove]

you didn't really specify so it was open to interpretation

still is

you've not used the word solo/single player yet

[timber prism]

The "and coop" infers that its separate than my replaying as a solo

Which was above

[tranquil cove]

anyway, aside from the one solo run, which is standard, you would need 2 or more solo runs to consider it a replay

a replay that exists within the solo runs i mean

[timber prism]

Yes. That is correct

Replaying a solo run obviously means 2 or more runs

[tranquil cove]

well, i can't replay it, i think in part because the items are also kind of lackluster

[timber prism]

Self issue

But maybe one day you get over it

[tranquil cove]

like in BG2 you were finding named weapons that were basically godly, and designing whole builds around them

all the weapons i found in the campaign felt mid or just lacked something

[timber prism]

Unfortunate

Not every game is for everyone. I personally found BG3 to be my favorite

[tranquil cove]

did they just add legendary weapons to the game?

[timber prism]

Plan to do a third solo run after I beat Metaphor

[tranquil cove]

i dont remember these weapons when bg3 came out

the legendaries im reading now look decent

[timber prism]

Do you mean did they add new ones?

[tranquil cove]

yeah

[timber prism]

Or you didn't find any before?

Oh not sure

[tranquil cove]

i dont really remember seeing legendary before, i remember reading the wiki and seeing the very rare pink stuff

[timber prism]

Yeah. They been in since release

Not sure if any new ones have been added later on

[tranquil cove]

i must have forgot then or maybe the wiki wasnt updated then

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/boards/265760-baldurs-gate-3/80629848

yeah i think thats the issue

the game caps at level 12?

maybe if they add the next game to level 24 i will be more into it

it would allow for more powerful magical items

[timber prism]

Did you even actually play this game?

Lmao

[tranquil cove]

and also... i've always been into 6 player parties, so the 4 player takes away from versatility of your group

[tranquil cove]

yeah

[timber prism]

Like how do you not know any of this?

[tranquil cove]

that it caps at level 12? i forgot

i didnt play the game in over a year

[timber prism]

You complaining about lack of items due to level but didn't even know the cap is odd

[tranquil cove]

feels like a year anyway

there's no way i played in july 4th

i must have just opened the game briefly

[timber prism]

Or the fact you didn't even know legendary items were in the game when you played 205 hours???

Seems odd xd

[tranquil cove]

cause the game isn't memorable 😄

[timber prism]

I think multiple awards would disagree

[tranquil cove]

i remember the githyanki great sword

[timber prism]

Lmao

[tranquil cove]

that you can steal in act 1

and the armor sets more

5e also in general makes spells weaker

so not only is this game, taking away 2 party members, giving you a different group dynamic

but 5e makes spells weaker, making magic feel lackluster

and its only level 12, meaning whatever magical items you find, won't be that godly anyway

so yeah, i need the BG3 expansion, to level 20 etc.

plus they were really focused on giving you the divinity terrain experience, because it was the same devs from that game? or something

when sure it's a find addition, but it wasn't the most important thing, i'd rather have a real time combat option with a pause system, and 2 more party members.

[timber prism]

There isn't gonna be any exp

Larian already stated they have no interest in D&D

[tranquil cove]

plus the terrain doesn't even work 10% of the time

tell my party to go somewhere high and only 1 guy makes it

and then i need to manually jump everyone

[vague galleon]

i tried going back to BG1 and 2 but the UI is insanely outdated and the game is utterly brutal. dnd was never that hard.

[tranquil cove]

so why are they making a dnd game

id rather have a more poor dev company making dnd games, who love dnd

[vague galleon]

because they make good RPGs.

[tranquil cove]

lol no

BG3 8/10 but divinity original sin i wouldn't even give an 8

i dont understand peoples love for divinity

i understand the love for BG3

but i don't share it in the same amount

i played both pillar of eternity, and that weird game pathfinder

both were better rpgs than what larian can do

even though they are weird with their wierd combat mechanics

[timber prism]

What new D&D game are they making???

[tranquil cove]

no why did they bother with bg3

id rather they didnt make it if they were that lackluster about dnd

it shows

[timber prism]

....

They said after BG3 they have no interest in continuing to make D&D games

Just because you didn't like the outcome doesn't mean they were lackluster about it

They put a lot of love into that game

And your ability to not see that is pretty telling

[tranquil cove]

hopefully they just mean they are doing a different campaign setting, cause i don't want a divinity original sin 3

[timber prism]

I do. I loved that game

Especially element combos

[tranquil cove]

if they are gonna drop sequels on bg3, they should drop divinity too and move on to something new

i'd rather see an entirely new game from them, either new campaign setting, or science fiction rpg

[tepid wadi]

They haven't said what it's going to be other than it's "way bigger" than BG3. My money is on some sort of sci-fi game using the same sort of systems.

We probably won't hear much about it for 3-4 years

My understanding of the reason they aren't doing any more work with BG3 is more because of the WOTC partnership having issues than about the game itself. Apparently their partner team had a lot of flux during the dev process and it caused a bunch of issues.

[tranquil cove]

a lot of flux?

[tepid wadi]

Shifting management, priorities, restrictions, etc

Layoffs and the like, as well

I don't recall the specifics, but I remember reading something about their partner team within WOTC having a lot of changes that made working with them real hard.

[timber prism]

I would love to see them do a Rifts or Shadowrun

[misty arch]

speaking of bg3
https://youtu.be/6w6MJ8FzfjM?si=OJgs1NG1zKsPyrUr

[tepid wadi]

Rifts is a tough nut to crack. There's so much going on in there. Could be an amazing setting to see a big game in.

Any shadowrun game would be cool after that old xbox "Shadowrun" game we got that had nothing to do with the setting 😝

[tranquil cove]

we should play coop if you want to go back to it, could help you get into it more, the UI is outdated factually, since the game is from 2000, but what you're implying about that is not true imo, It's not hard to control the characters and manage inventory and to do combat at all. the game is really well made imo, and playable today. so not sure what exactly specifically you take issue with... as usual nobody really states a specific problem, they just vaguely state the UI is bad or something.

[timber prism]

Hey... we had the more recent Shadowrun stuff lmao

I actually enjoyed that shadowrun pvp game lmao

[tepid wadi]

It was pretty fun, for sure. It just... wasn't shadowrun

[timber prism]

100% lmao

[tepid wadi]

Speaking of old CRPGs, I'd love a modern adaptation of Arcanum

[tranquil cove]

i played shadow run it's pretty good

[timber prism]

Yes!

[timber prism]

They didn't say it was bad. They said it was outdatef

[vague galleon]

i got slaughtered in the first area once you leave the city. XD

but ya, the UI is far too ancient, same reason i dont bother with the old fallout games.

[tranquil cove]

just choose a different area, some battles are harder than others, some areas harder than others

save a lot

[vague galleon]

nah

I'll stick to elder scrolls.

[tranquil cove]

my issue with skyrim is that all the gods are evil mostly, so if you want cool items you need to help gods do evil crap, and it was annoying.

[vague galleon]

i was going to play shadowrun until I found it was story focused and not more free roam.

[vague galleon]

the gods are good, the daedra are evil.

[timber prism]

There is a lot going which is probably why no one attempts to do it. I love the setting though so I hope one day someone does take a crack at it

[tranquil cove]

the daedra are the ones offering quests, except for the mace of light etc. only a few daedra were good, like 2-3

[tepid wadi]

Are there even modern versions of Rifts? Like, has the TTRPG been updated in the last 10-15 years?

[vague galleon]

RIFTS. oh god, no, that system is a nightmare.

[tranquil cove]

never saw rifts or played it

[vague galleon]

shadowrun is cool but suuuuuper crunchy from what I recall.

[tranquil cove]

shadow run is fine if you played xcom

and i have

[tepid wadi]

If shadowrun is crunchy, Rifts is made of rocks

[timber prism]

Lmao

I don't think it has been updated

Actually wait

There was a 30th anniversary update to it!

[timber prism]

Rules were mostly unchanged but more world building etc.

[tranquil cove]

was shadowrun the game where i was hacking a system, and the game takes you inside the system to fight things, and successfully hack it?

[timber prism]

I remember getting into Palladium stuff because I got a free TMNT palladium book

[vague galleon]

one thing that helps me out with systems is looking at the character sheet and there's a scary amount of systems without one, or a very hidden one.

[tepid wadi]

That sounds more like Deus Ex?

[vague galleon]

FATE, RIFTS, traveller, gurps. WHERE ARE YOUR CHARACTER SHEETS

[timber prism]

Lmao

There was also a martial art rulebook added to it that had like 150 classes

[vague galleon]

personally I love the d10 system by white wolf. even with it's flaws.

[timber prism]

It was a crazy time XD

[vague galleon]

wow

[timber prism]

But yes. RIFTS + TMNT haha

[tranquil cove]

no it is shadow run https://youtu.be/bXtp9NCcAbI

hacking takes you inside the system

with different security protocols inside the system

or challenges

[tepid wadi]

Yeah that sounds pretty cool

[untold lynx]

I wouldn't compare the Shadowrun games to either Baldur's Gate games or Divinity stuff, since they are essentially much more linear games

there's a campaign mod created by a user named cirion that spans both Dragonfall & Hong Kong, I think it's in 3 parts?

it's really cool

The Antumbra Saga https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=328994310
The Caldecott Caper
https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=565372768
CalFree in Chains
https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=1239356669

really well-written and there's like dozens of hours of gameplay in each, well worth giving a shot if you enjoy the base game

[candid quiver]

Yeah the (modern) shadowrun games are alright, but its not the same systems as RTWP of traditional Baldurs gates.

My fave is the old SNES one still tho, even if the systems there are a bit weird, i loved the errie feel and the dialogue/detective kinda system alot ^^

(To be fair, from past interactions i kinda feel vals understanding of the old bg games are not too deep)

I also agree with wanting a new Arcanum: of Steamworks and Magick Obscura. that had a really neat original steampunk/magic feel to it

. Will never forget Magnus, The "REAL" dwarf, not a modern spoiled "city dwarf at all" (and he did not have a book on the subject in his inventory either, no no ^^)

[tepid wadi]

Yeah, I love the "tech vs magic" being very distinct from the normal "tech + magic" feel of a lot of steampunky stuff. It creates a very different feel and innate conflict to the game

[candid quiver]

For sure!

[tranquil cove]

yeah i didn't compare any of those games, just BG3 to BG2 - between BG2 and BG3 there are some major differences i dislike, but also BG3 has a ton of positive differences too, which is why it's an 8/10 game for me, and not actually a bad game, it's just not my ideal DND experience. i think shadowrun is a good game btw.

as for divinity i bought 1 and 2, but could never get into the game, was not blown away by their system and was not hooked at all by anything, and i dislike guns in RPGS... even when I played some SNES RPG japanese games, that do steampunk with guns, like final fantasy etc. i was not that into it, but sure they were good games. i still plan to force myself to play divinity at some point lol. since you know... i own the games - so might as well.

like divinity is not terrible in the sense that it's unplayable, i imagine if i actually forced myself to play it, i'd like aspects of it etc. and it's playable, it's not unplayable or anything. i don't know, i'm just not WOW 10/10 on it.

maybe my mind will be changed now that i played a few games that were different from dnd now

back then Larian was basically kind of spearheading this, after skyrim and dragonage

and skyrim is a totally different feeling game

[tepid wadi]

Divinity 2 is really good. It focuses a lot more on combos than Baldur's Gate does

[tranquil cove]

so i wasn't used to/open to trying their new system

[tranquil cove]

well BG3 you cant even focus more than 1 spell

5e is so trash

in BG2 3edition you could bless, and cast multiple things on yourself, and become a tank lol

see i'm trashing 5th edition more than the game

[tepid wadi]

Yeah, they were definitely limited by the 5E ruleset

[wooden remnant]

I love all the Divinity games: Divine Divinity, Beyond Divinity, Divinity 2, Original Sin 1 and Original Sin 2. Divine Divinity and the og Divinity 2 are still my favorites though.

[tranquil cove]

been playing both cataclismo and dredge they are good

i basically almost have full upgrades in dredge

cataclismo i'm at the 5th or 6th mission

playing on medium

[tepid wadi]

Glad I recommended Cataclysmo to you 👍 I've definitely enjoyed it so far from what I've played

[reef bobcat]

Cataclysmo looks fun

[tranquil cove]

it's good, especially as you unlock the full progression

[tepid wadi]

Yeah, it picks up once you've got a lot going on

[buoyant turtle]

@sonic pumice I was so proud of these

[buoyant turtle]

I'm not familiar with Soulmaks, but I'm deep enough in the shroud that I don't feel the need to buy any other game for a while

Which is nice, because I'm super broke haha

Dragon Age 4 is coming out soon too, so I can wait with buying that until it's not full price

[tawny vigil]

soulmaks was worth it in my opinion

i will be carefull whit dragon age until i see how it is

a lot of recent games have been, hmm underwhelming to say politly

[buoyant turtle]

Yeah, I'll probably play it eventually regardless, I've followed the DA series since Origins. People were harsh on DA2 as well, but I quite like (some aspects of) it

[tawny vigil]

i got one for free on epic i think. might wanna give it a go at some point. i think its inqusishion

[sonic pumice]

You can see a bunch of the areas in this.

[untold lynx]

I cannot waiiiit

I don't have my name in the credits of DA:I, but barely

[buoyant turtle]

That's beautiful! Love that you caught Wisp in the screenshot too 🥰

[tepid wadi]

I've got some concerns about DA4 but I'm cautiously optimistic.

[candid quiver]

I only played dragon age origins. ^^

[buoyant turtle]

that's also the most iconic one tbh

[tepid wadi]

Yeah, definitely

[tranquil cove]

i remember hating how dragons looked in da origins

and famously never winter nights too

the dragons in nwn were like balls of polygons

lol

but overall i liked nwn

[fringe orbit]

what should i return to and play for a change of pace? New world or Throne and libberty ?

[obtuse scroll]

New world is kind of failing. Throne and Liberty at least has people trying it out since it's new and FTP. Even if you end up feeling meh towards it, it is free.

[fringe orbit]

welli have New world for over a year now, just havent had time to play

[obtuse scroll]

Yeah, but most of the people are in the new content, so unless you've bought the new xpac, you won't be with all of them.

[fringe orbit]

ahhh i see

yea no DLC forme

i got 3 kids to feed lmao

[obtuse scroll]

LOL, I'd suggest FTP game then

It's not bad, it's just not the best. It has its interesting moments, sort of like BDO.

[fringe orbit]

ill give it a shot, i play on geforce now, so hopefully the middle tier membership will give me a smooth game play

[tepid wadi]

T&L also just came out, so it's in that fun launch window where no one has any idea how it'll feel after months/years.

[fringe orbit]

ohhh kay so 10 mins into the game and im uncomfortable lol, i choose action base controls, but i cant attack using mouse click ? only "Q" AND "E" ?

after som elong seaching i found the key bindings lols

[timber prism]

depends on what server.. its been out for a while in KR and people already know everything XD

just like every other KR mmo that comes out here late

its already full of bots and gold sellers

not even a week in and people are maxed out traits on purple gear

[fringe orbit]

Played for about an hour, and the combat is not, hold my interest. The game looks nice and all it just not holding my attention and such.

[reef bobcat]

Some games just don't have the "fun factor"

[tranquil cove]

what if the game is named fun factor

its a math game where you factor polynomials

hehe 😄

[misty arch]

throne and liberty is for those who need to kill time before something else comes out or you go back into an old one because it updated.

[fringe orbit]

Some games I truly enjoyed were, Dragon age inquisition, valheim, guild wars 2, and maple story

And enshrouded of course

[reef bobcat]

I never played Valheim

⚔️

[fringe orbit]

It’s just as good as enshrouded, ppl like to compare the 2 but they shouldn’t,

[tranquil cove]

did you fight the Sirena mission yet in cataclismo? do they not give you doors for this mission? the guides online say you need to manage troop positions in this battle, how do i do that without a flipping door? wtf... why are they giving me a huge boss fight with 90% of the game mechanics missing. boss fights should be everyone at full power imo.

the guides say build the walls out of range of its attack, but it's attack is 10 blocks

its like impossible to do that lol

good comments here on this mission too bad the devs designed it for failure

https://www.reddit.com/r/CataclismoRTS/comments/1ec2aee/sirena_mission_needs_to_be_adjusted/

[torpid briar]

Anyone else playing Tiny Glade? I got my hands on it yesterday, and been practicing a bit.

[fringe orbit]

What Kind of game is this?

[torpid briar]

It's a castle builder. Really beginner friendly and easy to start.

[reef bobcat]

On my wishlist for sure

Heard it was lotsa fun

But I still like the gathering grind

🤷

[tranquil cove]

my only annoyance with cataclismo is it's a pain to build flooring

wish there was just a big 4x4 square

for wood and stone

that auto supports

you only need to anchor it to the side of a wall and it supports, it's kind of detrimental to have to make pillars every 2 blocks

they have a 2x2 square but it's annoying and acts more like an arch

[tepid wadi]

Yeah, I usually do a full wall of stone, but then use wood to build out from it

Because you can build 2 or 3 blocks "back" from a stone wall using wood

[tranquil cove]

meh the game is annoying with its scenary pieces

it should just allow us to delete those

without getting resources back

50% of them are troll pieces and interfere with builds

i did see they have a large wood floor piece

but its center supported

kinda wish the game accepted if there is stone on 2 sides it wall anchors

[tranquil cove]

trying to design the most defensible wall

but i don't like that I can't get a 3 platform on the bottom

this is better than the walls that the professionals made though

i based it off their design but improved it

since their design was this

though i guess their design can be an economy version

and i guess they didnt care for space because you can fit things into the wall

however fitting things into the walls make them weaker/more collapsable

so my version with 3 platform on top actually strengthens the wall

plus the experts find crossbowman useless

so they dont even care about achieving 10 meter height

their second platform is 8 high lol

[wise pumice]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GHy13t9Sv5g

[timber prism]

\o/

Sooooooon

[honest valley]

but what do the actual players say

[timber prism]

Unfortunately can't find out until next week for user reviews. The demo has been 9/10 for me on PC. Let's you play about 4 hours into the game. Difficulty is around SMT versus Persona so a bit more challenging if you put it on the higher diffs

[vague galleon]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/969785228925214750/1293201976800051312/569809821ea0f3332997a16c3f50f7d3.mp4?ex=670683b1&is=67053231&hm=43aaa8b4ed97846a71dd4d9b0c273e8b3e01e3581ed9b5ed2d6ba1fa67f00f87&

[tranquil cove]

im good in chess but i never play people online

since they can just be using an chess bot

but i watch gotham chess often

for all we know that game was the hamilton guy playing against himself too

unless gotham chess actually did research and knows both the players

online chess is icky i think a few times it was found out some players were using a bot and inputing their opponents move to the bot, and then doing the moves the bot did against the player, gotham chess even talks about it, people cheating sometimes like this.

but if you're really good you can beat the bot anyway

[reef bobcat]

this

I play on chess.com - go ahead and use a bot

we dont care

literally makes no difference

You will never get very far using a bot imo

but there are lots of ways to detect a cheater

[tranquil cove]

very few people can beat a chessmaster bot like even gotham chess would get destroyed

he's not beaten bots, and he's pretty good

[reef bobcat]

I mean chess is more then just a few games

you will never get ranked online

at least a ranking that matters

I dunno, I guess I dont play as much

[tranquil cove]

why not? i can go to any site and rack up ranks by letting a bot play for me

[reef bobcat]

not an official rank

people who are good know each other anyway

[tranquil cove]

yeah you need to go to chess tournaments in person for those

[reef bobcat]

so thats why I say go ahead and cheat if you want to - it will never matter

you know you are cheating

i guess some trolls might get off on it

i dunno

🤷

[tranquil cove]

yeah but this is why i don't bother to play people online, there is no way to know what is going on, even if i could beat bots i wouldn't do it

gotham chess talked about two people who knew each other

like a legitimate good player - already ranked

used a bot against another player

and i forget how they got caught

because if i want to play a bot i will play a bot, and i need to be in the mindset to play a bot, when i want to play a person i will want to see what they can do, not what a bot can do

so i'll just never play chess online for these reasons

[reef bobcat]

I think they can be good for learning and practice

but I think lichess offers free courses now - that may be better

[tranquil cove]

people say the cheating is "obvious" but you cant prove without a doubt that someone used a bot

and you can always throw in one of your moves, or second best move

to screw up the aglorithim detections

so cheating is a big issue online imo, and not worth bothering

https://www.reddit.com/r/chess/comments/lzb0xd/what_happened_to_gothamchess/

the difference is i knew cheating is a problem 15 years ago

[reef bobcat]

I think when someone plays at a consistent rate in a long game, no fast moves, etc...and then has a hard time in blitz, etc - kinda easy to tell then perhaps

[tranquil cove]

and only now have people seemed to catch on lol

[reef bobcat]

I never watched him

I kinda quit watching all the chess streams a while back

[tranquil cove]

this is a cheating incident involving gotham chess and a cheater

[reef bobcat]

yea

[tranquil cove]

but there was 1 between two famous chess players

that gotham chess talked about on his channel

[reef bobcat]

chess drama

[tranquil cove]

where 1 guy who is already a GM used a bot in a match and got found out

lol

[reef bobcat]

hmmm

not sure

that would not be smart

but it would not surprise me

ai will eventually put everyone to shame

[tranquil cove]

https://youtu.be/iSMpTmibeDw

[reef bobcat]

but all the knowledge of all chess players into one computer

hard to beat that

[tranquil cove]

yeah like if you play online

you can be not cheating, and just be good

and people will accuse you of cheating

because ONLINE there is no guaruntees of anything

[reef bobcat]

I always watched Hikaru

[tranquil cove]

so you can have the reverse happen too

[reef bobcat]

It's time for me to find a new game

dunno what - been looking at Raft

[tranquil cove]

people even cheating in live events

so nevermind online rofl

[reef bobcat]

i need Steam to have a 99% off sale

All games $1 - this weekend only

[tranquil cove]

same

[tranquil cove]

raft is good, i've been playing the skate early access

they releasing the skate series to PC soon

[reef bobcat]

never heard of that

[tranquil cove]

i got into the playtesting until janruary

[reef bobcat]

like skating?

[tranquil cove]

like skateboarding etc. parkour

in a city environment

[reef bobcat]

I have to play less challenging video games

I can do survival - but not sports/parkour

requires twitch skillz

But i played a survival game last year that required twitch skills - was fun, but a real struggle

[hardy mantle]

good morning all, i've never played any JRPG, do you guys think the new metaphor could be a good game to jump into the genre? tried the demo and i liked it

[heavy relic]

Never Played a JRPG?

hmmmm

there's alot of JRPGS that are reaallly good!

FF6 and FF7

I'd start with those 2 first to get used to JRPGS in general

[hardy mantle]

does zelda 20 years ago count?

[timber prism]

Yes. SMT and Persona are good jrpgs and this one would be a good one for a first. It has a good amount of systems and party builds, good music, and the best UI for modern jrpgs

Its also turn based which isn't nearly as common these days compared to the action route a lot of AAA Jrpgs have shifted towards

If you wanted to play a Final Fantasy game I would probably start at X

[hardy mantle]

great, thanks for your answer

[hardy mantle]

Shin Megami Tensei V: Vengeance?

[timber prism]

Yea. That is the most recent one

Metaphor is the latest one from those devs

Its their fantasy persona game

[hardy mantle]

thanks, ill look those up

[timber prism]

Persona is like school stuff

Classes etc.

In terms of difficulty, SMT is the harder of the series

[heavy relic]

that's... not a JRPG lol

[tranquil cove]

theres opinion on that

some call it a dungeon crawler, with rpg elements, so not even an rpg

but others call it an action rpg

and still others say its a jrpg

https://sea.ign.com/the-legend-of-zelda-tears-of-the-kingdom/201367/news/the-legend-of-zelda-was-always-a-jrpg-nintendo-just-didnt-play-by-the-rules

[reef bobcat]

as a hooman you are allowed to label something however you want

[finite saffron]

Open world ✅
You can build ✅
the new legend of zelda is fortnite

[reef bobcat]

pew pew

[tranquil cove]

i think the original zelda probably is more like a dungeon crawler with open world concept, but it's also a japanese made game, so typically i just find any game japanese made with rpg elements is like a jrpg... just like astro boy is an anime basically, he didn't completely look japanese or anything due to the animation style but it takes place in japan i think, and i just consider it an anime, instead of a cartoon.

or take the game wonder boy, arcade game

The first home version of Wonder Boy was released exclusively in Japan for the SG-1000 (Sega's first video game console) during the same year the arcade version was released.

also japanese made, doesn't really have like traditional japanese looking characters

like in final fantasy

but on some rudmentary level, even though its a platformer, its telling a very simple story, so RPG

"A Story Game… is another word for A Role-Playing Game. Defined as “A game where you play a role“. This covers a lot, A LOT, of ground."

lol

"So while the actual difference between RPGs and storygames is tautological—roleplaying games are storygames and vice versa—there's power in the storygame label"

every game is an RPG 😄

JUST some are very deep with it, while others are like save the princess

[timber prism]

Oh God. Not the Is Zelda a JRPG discussion XD

[candid quiver]

Also 'dungeon crawler' is a pretty defined genre, theyre not open world action exploration games like botw, totk and enshrouded ^^

"There is dungeons in a game" ^^

[reef bobcat]

I mislabel everthing irl on purpose just cuz I can

🦀

[candid quiver]

Its a mess when looking for a particular experience on steam.
If im in the mood for jazz i dont appreciate people tagging death metalmor country as such ^^

Rogue-like/lite are commonly misused. And 'souls like' is misused to where it looses any meaning "oh you can dodge attacks? Must be a souls like"

Its the way of language, people without experience in certain genres dont really know what to call stuff

[tranquil cove]

helldivers stuck in a cycle of just balancing the game... i feel like only pvp type players really care about this stuff though. if the game was unbalanced i would still enjoy it and just use whatever meta is good to actually play reasonably... even the not OP stuff and the stuff they nerfed you could still use on the hardest difficulty and win still. the problem is they were touching everything to begin with and nerfing it... and now they are stuck in a cycle of improving everything... either way i don't care. improve or nerf doesn't affect me much. what i really want is to fight the flipping hive lord already. wish less people cared about these details, and instead pushed for more content in the game. hive lord, new mobs, new maps, new objectives, new stratagem and weapons, new customization options etc. balance your game after all that crap please.

[candid quiver]

Paragraphs for justice and readibility! Try it!

[reef bobcat]

haha

[tranquil cove]

that is technically a paragraph

[reef bobcat]

haha

[candid quiver]

Ive noticed older people also kinda abuse trailing elipses (the ...)

[tranquil cove]

also i don't mind if you dont read what i write

[candid quiver]

Dont take it so harsh ^^

[reef bobcat]

Yea but we can change. I made myself stop that.

[candid quiver]

Kudos! ^^

[reef bobcat]

I learned to write shorter sentences also

It helps

But sometimes I still write paragraphs

[candid quiver]

Usually its either a specific run-on sentence, or its to signify some words left out rhetorically.
It makes me feel...

Gwrah! ^^

[tranquil cove]

there was a poet who uses elipses and the em dash a lot, so i adopted their style of writing — though now i can't remember which poet it was.

[candid quiver]

Ive read how when some people started writing more as internet and texting came about,
Many somehow got a habit of using trailing dots instead of spaces.

[tranquil cove]

i've been on the internet since 1996

so i copied nobody, nobody was really doing ... in all the communities i was in

[reef bobcat]

impossible; there was no one alive in 1996!

[tranquil cove]

i was 12 then

[candid quiver]

Dashes are useful but you're not really using them as intended either imo ^^

[reef bobcat]

I think I was in high school in 1996

oh wait, I was in college in 1996

i think

the dementia is kicking in

[candid quiver]

Lol nauw ^^

🌻

[tranquil cove]

yeah this is pretty much what i figured for em dash

The em dash (—) can function like a comma, a colon, or parenthesis. Like commas and parentheses, em dashes set off extra information, such as examples, explanatory or descriptive phrases, or supplemental facts. Like a colon, an em dash introduces a clause that explains or expands upon something that precedes it.

i think the problem might be i am not always aware when a comma is acceptable or not

[reef bobcat]

I like the dash - I have started using it more recently

but I am not sure if the dash is annoying or not

[candid quiver]

I tend to use it too when a sentence needs it - it is after all very useful for structure - like this one, but i could have made a better example probably but it has to happen naturally ^^

[tranquil cove]

if an ellipsis is placed at the beginning or in the middle of a sentence, it means something has been removed, or it represents a silence or pause, as if the speaker trailed off. If an ellipsis comes at the end of a sentence, it suggests that there's more to the story.

i think thats my intended use of elipses, as a slight pause.

[reef bobcat]

I just wonder if I should use periods instead.

[candid quiver]

My annoying habit is using my smiling eyes emoticon; ^^
Its to show im in a chill happy mood ^^

I overuse it tho, just because i dont want people to read anything angrylike ^^

[tranquil cove]

i used to always write out emojis too, but now i've stopped pretty much

[candid quiver]

When i leave it out tho... (trailing elipses example)

[reef bobcat]

just impossible to convey emotions in plain text

[candid quiver]

Yeah ^^

We can only try as best we can, but will never be 1:1

[tranquil cove]

and sometimes its hard to not convey emotions, like people will think you're angry when you're not.

[reef bobcat]

I better get back to work. And need moar coffee ☕ - Have a great day! 😃

[candid quiver]

You too ^^

[sweet patrol]

Somehow reading that conversation made me feel old........Or is that just my 4 kids draining my lif away. Anyway anyone excited for monster hunter wilds?

[timber prism]

this is me.... all the time... XD

what about the 90's asian kawaii stuff like Hello~*

[tepid wadi]

This is how my dad texts and it drives me crazy. It makes everything sound ominous. "Thanks... Love you..." What are you dying or something? yeesh

[timber prism]

ahahaha

[candid quiver]

lol, just like that ^^

[reef bobcat]

The ... dots thing really came around, to my knowledge, when irc was popular

... was cool back then

dont mess with me...i will hax0r j00

[tranquil cove]

i was on irc for a bit

i started with icq

then moved to AIM, and then MSN messenger

and i still use skype today

which is basically MSN messenger

IRC was somewhere around icq or somewhere between icq and aim

but i know someone will read this and be like internet since 1996 this guy was on 4chan

nope never on that

i hated that site and never even visited it once

i was on the internet such a long time but was always a loner never groupie

all those types of people have groups or cliques or whatever

or bandwagon their opinions

cavemen etc. lol i call them

they all joined the same cave

though i mean i guess today i am an adult, and can be like totally okay with being apart of the enshrouded group etc.

that's alright by me, share the same interest for a good game

[vague galleon]

i used to use yim ALL the time and msnm for a short time too.

i went on 4chan ONCE. never again.

[hard moss]

52yr old here..... i remember the start of 4chan 🤢 😂

[vague galleon]

I wont explain why i quit. what i saw was far too vulgar to describe. and it was EVERYWHERE.

i was done in under 30 min.

[reef bobcat]

It was quite a few years before instant messaging. You could access it before the web existed.

no big deal...its not that old

things like gopher, bbs, etc might be considered old...gopher was always a pita

need something to play 🧐

[tranquil cove]

oh neat, i guess that makes sense it would be around, i wasnt on the internet really during bbs

i was connecting with my 28k modem back then lol

listening to the dial up tone etc.

[reef bobcat]

you didnt miss much, literally! 😆

[tranquil cove]

i used to play risk online back then

at a website called nilo risk at borak, and i was playing/chatting with all these 50 year olds lol

[reef bobcat]

Seems like some of the earliest PC games I can remember around the start of the internet age were Command and Conquer and Warcraft

[reef bobcat]

You might remember the Interplay games. They were fun

[tranquil cove]

so this little google search and i can still find traces of that site ever existing

but i can't find the site again

yeah i played the interplay games

i used to play an old game not interplay called hover craft

[reef bobcat]

It was always a "friends dad" who had video games back then

leisure suit larry, or ultima

[tranquil cove]

https://youtu.be/2sl4bn8zGQw

the hover race game

one of the earlier mp games

used to play with a community there

[reef bobcat]

definitely futuristic

[tranquil cove]

i played ultima too

[reef bobcat]

my dad had a console that only had Pong on it

[tranquil cove]

i played this too

[reef bobcat]

he would rarely let me play it tho

[tranquil cove]

https://youtu.be/EoQRHmRNuxU

this one is still around, community supported

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Attack_Retrieve_Capture

[reef bobcat]

this looks like fun

[tranquil cove]

yeah hover craft was fun asf too, the video i found of it doesnt do it justice

because every map had 10-20 other players

[reef bobcat]

my cousin and I spent way too much time indoors playing the commodore 64

This was one of our go to games: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kaMQwIYGMF4

[reef bobcat]

I guess you can still play all these games today

[tranquil cove]

except risk

unless its a hasbro version

i liked how back in those days i could type in a search engine

play risk online free

and i found a whole community of people i could chat with and play risk with online lol

and it was fast and easy and actually designed really well

[reef bobcat]

only ever played the board game

Monopoly was hands down the WoW of my generation 🤣

[tranquil cove]

they also had this

which i never even tried in 1997

the verion of risk i found was online, interactive, real time

[reef bobcat]

I loved to play Risk. But it was hard to get 4+ people who wanted to play it.

[tranquil cove]

but they had a mail version where you replicated world war 2

axis and allies

[reef bobcat]

This was probably better

[tranquil cove]

oh i found the mail version

http://gamesbyemail.com/games/ww2#Preview

the site is lacking security certificate

but should be safe

[reef bobcat]

You really had to be into a game to play it by mail. I played a few games of chess by mail. You wanna talk about a slow game 😆

[tranquil cove]

there was also a game very similar to this i played online

https://youtu.be/w63-vY_7jME?t=409

where you could shoot rockets, drop mines, launch nukes at other cars and win the race

[reef bobcat]

Reminds me of Spy Hunter

I could never master that game

[limber barn]

I played an arcade game called Spy Hunter. Probably not the same.

[reef bobcat]

Yea it was the same. About a billion different iterations

If James Bond had a car

that went pew pew

[limber barn]

I played that game years ago while going to school. I remember one time playing for over 4 hours on a single car. I ended up getting a high score over 4 million.

400,000 or 4,000,000 cant remember

[reef bobcat]

Spy Hunter is one of those games my friends were good at and I was not. I would secretly practice to try and get better 😆

[misty arch]

https://store.steampowered.com/sale/nextfest

[heavy relic]

hey guys, I have my own Skyrim list now, check it out!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UUa9gBArT2Q

[frank sonnet]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/496325967883534337/1295521377620590663/20241014152506_1.jpg?ex=670ef3ce&is=670da24e&hm=2f3d2b41303c2d2e9f9c96170a899482f04e634ebd92ee53512475058c14b04f& game is called voin if anybody’s wondering

[untold lynx]

what are you playing this SNF? I've tried Loco Motive (point and click), downloaded Citizen Sleeper (narrative RPG) 2 and Cold Ridge (strategy puzzle game)

[reef bobcat]

Think I am going to try Adventure Allies

[untold lynx]

https://www.pcgamer.com/games/the-top-100-pc-games-2024
found a new thing to be upset about

[hollow barn]

They put Kotor 2 abouve 1 wtf

[vague galleon]

Quake isnt number one. this list is shit.

[reef bobcat]

omg heresy

I cannot disagree with Quake being #1

Although it is probably my personal #5 - Quake 3 changed gaming forever

1 and 2 were..too brown

[untold lynx]

if you removed "too brown" games you'd have to remove all games between 2001 and 2012 or so

I'm surprised there isn't a single Battlefield (Battlefield 2 or 3 deserved a mention) or Call of Duty (the OG Modern Warfare is still top tier) on the list

[tranquil cove]

1 was boring could never get past 50% of it and 2 is worse lol

everytime i played kotor i was like i am going to finish this game this time

but whenever i get to the planet with grass etc, it just becomes so slow and boring