literally just saying what happened
#other-games
timber prism
candid quiver
I think everyone has the same right to type here,
you dont need to feel it escalating unless you escalate it yourself.
We all have opinions that we may well express here.
tranquil cove
like for example 'pray for the gods' is definitely a none copyright issue
candid quiver
My opinion is that YOU do not know better then zenimax and legal teams, i will express that ^^
tranquil cove
I think everyone has the same right to type here,
you dont need to feel it esca...
yeah but i wont engage in topics about me, i try and stay on topic to ideas/events
i don't talk about what you know or who knows better
candid quiver
The topic is misinformation guesses by you ^^
I dont know, zenimax and lawyers know.
i am just finding it silly that you think they are dumb and you outsmart them with statements on how they "do it wrong"
candid quiver
It wasnt a quote.
tranquil cove
anyway lets talk about an idea or something
or a game
it was lighthearted joke/tease 😄
it was a unique choice so was curious
and expressed curiosity with a jab
timber prism
you dont have to explain yourself
im just giving you the reason why it was spelled that way
tranquil cove
im just giving you the reason why it was spelled that way
thank you
tranquil cove
bethesda used to be on their own for 15 years and then became a subsidiary of zenimax which is a subsidiary of microsoft
timber prism
yeah
tranquil cove
and now microsoft owns majong?
timber prism
they are from my area
tranquil cove
LOL
so majong has a license from zenimax to use the word scroll in one of their games - probably before microsoft bought them
but now it's essentially like microsoft licensed one of their subsidaries to use content from another subsidiary
lol
tranquil cove
microsoft was like, how dare they try and use the word scroll, start the process of buying them, i want to own them by 2024
timber prism
its all in the article i linked you
quaint cosmos
from the earlier conversation, now I want to make a game called "The" and all it'll have is a character that closes the book and you see the word, "End." That's your only goal, plus this way, no one can copyright the word, "The."
tranquil cove
yeah so prey isn't copyrighted it's trademarked, in other words they could argue a customer of "prey" might think prey for the gods is a sequel game, or that the title is prey: for the gods. etc. whereas if the game was titled "the last prey" it could be less confusing since the title does not start with 'prey'... because the zenimax game is only titled 'prey' (and therefore starts with prey).
but still imo a game title is the sum of the whole title, not one word. 'prey for the gods' is the game essentially... not 'prey' in the title. lawyers have opinions too and there would be lawyers who are of my opinion and would fight it in court and win or lose depending on their arguments. and they would find precedents or work arounds to back up their view on the matter or their clients view.
like an example of a game title being the sum of the whole title is 'planet crafter'
it would be kind of silly to go after any game that had planet in their title, or crafter...
but if a game had planet crafter, it's now causing confusiong with planet crafter. or like if a new laura croft game came out called planet crofter (which is clearly trying to imitate planet crafter)
imo PREY's trademark should include capitalization on their title
since the style of text and the capslock also indicate strongly a certrain trademark
it's PREY not prey, or Prey, all things a lawyer would argue in court too
technically it's P R E Y
timber prism
correct
to my knowledge you can't copyright a word, it would have to be trademarked
tranquil cove
"Under U.S. trademark law, trademark holders must defend the mark against all threats, lest they risk losing the mark in future proceedings. All the trademark holder needs to show is that someone is attempting to file a trademark in their chosen classification. "
yeah i am not upset zenimax challenged
not upset in general actually, but i just think it's a winnable case especially if they opted for 'pray for the gods' as the title
but i think no matter studio doesn't actually want pray for the gods
quaint cosmos
dang
tranquil cove
actually yeah if they did choose pray for the gods, zenimax would no longer be involved i think
but maybe someone who named their game 'PRAY' would be involved lol
the pope
tranquil cove
they must have a time period to change it
"We really didn’t have much of a choice,” Bethesda Softworks vice president Pete Hines told Polygon last week. “If we don’t oppose the mark, we risk losing our Prey trademark and that isn’t acceptable. Unfortunately, that’s how trademark law works.”
It matters not an iota that your average game player would never confuse the different properties. The important thing is that you defended your trademark whenever it was even conceivably at risk. You’re not allowed to pick and choose who gets to use the word in your classification and who doesn’t; to be safe, you have to send a cease-and-desist — every single time. "
yeah you defend, and then the court decides
makes sense
timber prism
the image still has prEy.
They were allowed to keep the logo the way it is
They just had to change how it was spelled when written out
quaint cosmos
I just realized its a person jumping or kicking
timber prism
they are kneeling and praying lmao
quaint cosmos
oh, that's a cape
timber prism
i can't tell if its hair or wings for the 2nd part or a cape yea lmao
quaint cosmos
since the player is female, I guess it is her ponytail
timber prism
"While we disagree with their opposition we were able to come to an agreement,” No Matter’s post continued. “It was something that kept [us] up many nights, and no doubt shifted our focus from our game frequently. Worrying about the outcome if we went to trial, if we’d lose our fans or walk away from the mark and still potentially get sued for millions on trademark infringement. This is really something no starting company should have to deal with let alone a tiny team of 3. So the fact that we came out the other end intact still developing the game was a win.”
quaint cosmos
that's good at least.
tranquil cove
food for the gods
quaint cosmos
Starve for the gods
tranquil cove
yeah given that you couldn't keep fed
now we know why Valheim has such a name though
nobody would trademark that
quaint cosmos
old games were just jump into the action without worrying about stamina or food. Some game add it as a limiter, but this game was difficult for me. I remember there is a difficulty slider, too, so that's good.
tranquil cove
what if you named your game
lamprey
or osprey lol
i bet it's harder to challenge in those cases
because you're using full other words basically
quaint cosmos
you'd be on the 4th page of google search engines
tranquil cove
maybe that's why games like supraland are all one title, rather than Supra Land.
timber prism
or osprey lol
im not a lawyer... but maybe it would have to be something based on it being a different word would be okay.... unless you did somehing like osPREY
quaint cosmos
synonyms have the word "Burden" that's close to prey
tranquil cove
victim of the gods 😆 (aka zenimax studios)
quaint cosmos
Torment, catch, eat, nag, devour, and feed on/off
tranquil cove
torment triggers another trademark issue
quaint cosmos
dang it!
tranquil cove
burden might as well
quaint cosmos
i also have the game Halls of Torment
tranquil cove
planescape torment also
To answer your question, BeamDog now own 100% of the rights to Planescape and the future title "Planescape: The Plight Of The Trans Racial Marshmellow-Kin" is in full production now, ready for a 2018 release, just as soon as they have enough memes to write the dialogue with.
maybe bethesda owns it? i dunno
but based on how the game title is written
maybe they trademarked planescape
quaint cosmos
like landscape?
nvm, I just googled it. You traverse through different planes of existence
tranquil cove
nvm, I just googled it. You traverse through different planes of existence
planescape a pretty philosophical game
The game was not a commercial success, but it received critical acclaim and has since become a cult classic, claimed by video game journalists to be the best role-playing video game of 1999. It was lauded for its immersive dialogue, for the dark and relatively obscure Planescape setting, and for the protagonist's unique persona, which shirked many characteristics of traditional role-playing games. It is commonly cited as one of the greatest video games of all time.
lol someone put that in the wiki
"It is commonly cited as one of the greatest video games of all time."
would be hard to prove that 😄
maybe the greatest RPG of all time?
quaint cosmos
I'd have to see a gameplay video. Since its 1999, I don't think I'd touch it.
tranquil cove
I'd have to see a gameplay video. Since its 1999, I don't think I'd touch it.
it's like baldurs gate 1 ish
in terms of graphics and style of play and combat
icewinddale etc.
but it's primarily story driven and combat is a secondary role
quaint cosmos
that game has some tiny font
tranquil cove
it has some good music
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FTL8ncLEO1U (this is a cover of the game song, but an idea of how beautiful the song truly is)
it would be hard for a modern gamer to get through this old of a game though
tepid wadi
Yeah, a similar game I love is Arcanum, but it's REALLY hard to play nowadays
tranquil cove
yeah arcanum is good
tepid wadi
I'd love a modern game in that sort of setting, I've always loved the "Tech vs magic" style of lore
tranquil cove
you might like avernum if you like older style games still
it's on sale, 60% off
escape from the pit is about the same as avernum 2 - visually i think
quaint cosmos
the music good though.
tranquil cove
good way to see if you like the game, and if 2 is worth buying
the game avernum has some epic reviews
some of the best written reviews in terms of complimenting a game i've seen lol
Avernum: Escape from the Pit is a fantastic '90s era single player turn based RPG that draws from the best the decade had to offer. RPGs thrived in the 1990s, and for good reason. Games like Avernum (when released in 1995, it was called Exile: Escape from the Pit) aimed to get their player lost in an intriguing world for hours upon hours, leveling up characters, exploring an in-depth story and learning about the game world from multiple NPCs with varying opinions on the world around them, and finding hundreds of secrets (yes, hundreds). These RPGs were made by developers with imaginations that were close to perfection, back when people made games because they loved games and sharing fantasy game worlds they'd created with others, not simply making them to drain wallets and hearts.
oh so it's a remake of a 90's game
gloomy field
yes
tranquil cove
https://www.youtube.com/live/MCi8jgALPYA?si=UgQ9jOLSohXSr26U
what's the tldr version
misty arch
intel might be sweating a little
dusk bluff
intel might be sweating a little
I never trust these. The last time AMD made the 7900xtx sound like it would destroy a 4090. They purposely speak vaguely. AMD cpus are really good but I don't believe anything they say until I see it haha
tepid wadi
Obligatory:
I remember playing Riven with my cousin at his house during thanksgiving many years ago. I can only imagine how weird it'd be in VR
vagrant abyss
Planescape is an amazing game - I'd liken it to an interactive novel, the same way some games these days are like interactive movies. The story and choices are where its all at, worth giving it a try if you're into that
tranquil cove
https://youtu.be/Ap6fnRLXk20?si=wWBp7bqe1B8qG2-J
riven and myst really got across tons of atmosphere, love them
vague galleon
Obligatory:
i remember hearing about this game and wanting to play it as a kid.
i own it on gog or steam and have never played it.
misty arch
Funcom -
The path that might have been.
Tune in to Summer Game Fest on Friday for a very special story cinematic reveal.
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1009531104660819998/1247565580597465180/Path.gif?ex=66607d7d&is=665f2bfd&hm=ad53238339fd01f2948473992fe97876fe18074b80e90317113364d05b326456&
vagrant abyss
If you've ever wanted to live in a medieval community, take a look:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m9kbu7qtYR4
Still very much in development, so if you aren't enamored already definitely recommend waiting and watching
tepid wadi
Yeah, I played in their beta. I'm a bit surprised that they're hitting early access so soon. Seemed like they might have needed another 6-8 months
tepid wadi
The combat, the inventory management, the progression... all need some serious work.
vagrant abyss
At this stage its only for folks who are really into the heart of the game or want to support the developers. Personally I had an absolute blast in alpha 2, but then this is the type of game I've been waiting for my whole life. Its not going to appeal to a wider audience at this point in time and that's ok.
(Combat is already improved from the last alpha though and is still being worked on)
tepid wadi
Yeah I'm definitely excited to see where it goes. It's got a lot of interesting potential in there.
dusk bluff
My issue is large clans will take over and make the game miserable for everyone else
tepid wadi
As is tradition for this sort of game.
dusk bluff
Like Asmo community completely ruined the server they were on lol
tepid wadi
I don't think anyone's discovered a way to have that not happen. And yeah it's 1000x worse with streamer communities.
vagrant abyss
Like Asmo community completely ruined the server they were on lol
I'm waiting for asmo to declare where he's going so I can avoid it 😅
dusk bluff
It needs GMs who are actively playing the game. But then there is always the risk they take favorites
tepid wadi
I was actually thinking about in the context of Helldivers, how they have a GM controlling the major orders and stuff. Would be awesome to see kings and queens in an MMO as dev-PCs in the world who can interact with players and stuff, and drive community events.
Like if the king and court actually held a dueling/jousting tournament where player guilds could compete to win prices. Could create awesome, immersive events.
timber prism
At this stage its only for folks who are really into the heart of the game or wa...
The issue with the "only for folks" is that by releasing it in EA is really just early launch to many especially those who see it on a store page with zero research. Its gonna have decent exposure especially with the lack of any non asian mmos on the market.
None of what I played was ready for EA
tepid wadi
Yeah, I hope they don't end up hampering themselves by going into EA too early. You only get one first impression
It's hard to pull a No Man's Sky turnaround
tulip torrent
If you've ever wanted to live in a medieval community, take a look:
https://www...
me and dude were gonna play i told him about it, but then i never installed it lol
tulip torrent
Reading I'm sorta glad I flaked onim
vagrant abyss
Not for everyone, but for some folks its amazing. And there seems to be enough of them for it to do alright
tepid wadi
Yep, they'll get their niche for sure. I'm excited to see how it evolves, if nothing else.
tidal osprey
OK. Dystopika looks kinda chill.
finite saffron
Soundtrack is giving hella Cult of the Lamb vibes I like it
tepid wadi
Looking forward to Once Human, it was really fun during their year-end beta
vague galleon
shell iron
Yeah, I played in their beta. I'm a bit surprised that they're hitting early acc...
Well EA doesn't mean it's coming out soon. Just look how long "7 Days To Die" or "DayZ" was in AE. So AE has a time frame from 10 Week to 10 Years... ^^
tepid wadi
Well, I don't mean it from a stance of "too early from full release". I mean it from a stance of "You only get one first impression". As it stands, I feel like the game is unfinished enough that they might make a poor impression on a significant portion of their potential base that would otherwise be super into it if it was a bit better polished and balanced.
With as many survival/craft style games that are coming out right now, I feel like there's an argument to also be made that waiting would've been a good plan for them. This year alone we're having Palworld, Enshrouded, Nightingale, Bellwright, V Rising 1.0, Valheim Ashlands, Soulmask, 7d2d 1.0, Pax Dei, Once Human... and probably others. There's an argument that waiting a good 6+ months more would give them time for people to be looking for a new survival type game.
shell iron
With as many survival/craft style games that are coming out right now, I feel li...
Yepp, I'm 100% on board with this opinion! And Soulmask is mighty good, but complicated and Aska will come to EA on the 20th. That's a really good game as well. It's really important to choose a good time for releasing a game, Palworld overshadowed Enshrouded a little bit at the start, but for me Enshrouded has provent be the better game.
tepid wadi
Yeah, Palworld stole Enshrouded's thunder by being a big surprise, but I think that'll be good for Enshrouded in the long run; I have a lot more faith in Enshrouded's dev progress. I played a little bit of Soulmask's beta and it definitely seems complex, probably gonna take a look at that after I finish up Ashlands
shell iron
I played Soulmask the last 2 days and for me there is too much systems and toooooo much to read. It feels for me, I've to read a Novel just to get all the info I need to play and many things are just complicated for no reason. But I had to play it, to appreciate the Enshrouded tutorial even more I just had to read like short notes to know what to do and most things a self explanatory.
vague galleon
With as many survival/craft style games that are coming out right now, I feel li...
I thought survival/building games died off a long time ago but i guess it feels like theyre making a resurgance?
theres too many of them lol
shell iron
I thought survival/building games died off a long time ago but i guess it feels ...
I don't think any genre of game really dies out. There will ever be an amount of players playing it. And Survival will stay for a long time, because you can mix it with so many other genres. Fantasy, syfy, realism, medieval or futuristic. From relaxing to Horror, from pacifist to warmonger. Imagine a pacifist Horror game, where you have to build a base and secure food and water, while you get chased by some cosmic horror. There are so many options. This genre will never die out. ^^
vague galleon
true
im still waiting for a game where you scavenge and build a base during the day and then defend it at night.
starforge promised that and never delivered.
fortnite came close but was something else and then became awful and broke promises.
sigh.
shell iron
Well, in some kind it's Minecraft or Terraria. 😄
Conan Exile has a feature, where you get attacked from tribes you fight before, they get angry and trie to kill you. I think soulmask has the same feature, but I'm notsure yet.
midnight venture
Conan Exile has a feature, where you get attacked from tribes you fight before, ...
Is Soulmask worth playing?
shell iron
Is Soulmask worth playing?
If you have the time and vigor for reading paragraphs of Things ingame or google it, then yes. Overall it's a good game, but complicated at times, Mask skills, Weapon mastering, tool mastering, NPC workschedule. NPC battle is really good programmed as far as I played, only 10 hours so far. It's a little bit like Conan Exiles with a little more managing of NPCs. I think with a group of 2-4 people it will be most fun to play.
midnight venture
If you have the time and vigor for reading paragraphs of Things ingame or google...
Ahhh, thanks a lot of the insightful response. Me and my friends were thinking of getting it actually, but now i'm hesitating.
shell iron
Ahhh, thanks a lot of the insightful response. Me and my friends were thinking o...
just give it a shot, in worst case you give it back before you played 2 hours. ^^
thats what Steam implemented it for
midnight venture
thats what Steam implemented it for
good idea, actually. Forgot this feature exists
shell iron
Ah, and I just try to be objective in the respond of how a game is, because I don't want to hype it for anyone and then the expectations get smashed. Overall it's good and fun and I will play it for at least 180-200 hours as it is now. ^^
copper pilot
anyone might want to start a server today?
dusk bluff
Yepp, I'm 100% on board with this opinion! And Soulmask is mighty good, but comp...
It's been how long now and palworld barely has anymore content lol
I completely forgot about the game until now
misty arch
timber prism
I thought survival/building games died off a long time ago but i guess it feels ...
There are way too many of them that really don't offer anything unique. I feel its at that stage that hit MOBAs and all of a sudden there were so many cookie cutter ones xd
lilac adder
https://www.ign.com/articles/summer-of-gaming-2024-schedule-how-to-watch-and-wha...
I'm praying for light no fire news
misty arch
I'm praying for light no fire news
I am hoping one of the game events this summer will have them in it
tranquil cove
tobruk advertising games like i can buy a new one every day 😄
misty arch
its fest time. every day there is going to be new announcements
and duckside is a demo so you cant complain
tulip torrent
https://youtu.be/82fGMm_YQqs?si=jruHdvSeWLrR13t1
At a quick glance I thought this was Starfield for a second xD
prime burrow
I like space mining gAmes might checkout that starminer
fiery igloo
looking for people to play some enshrouded with.
people that work 10/12 hour shifts. i have started a server for people that like to play all kinds of games FPS, Extraction shooters, survival craft, basically anything co -op n' fun message me if you are interested
tepid wadi
Take a look at #1195389948069675009
misty arch
an hour to go before it starts
https://www.youtube.com/live/WM7IEEIv-wA?si=W3USN1M70BgeC0AT
misty arch
misty arch
tranquil cove
is this like the worst game that is $79 just because it has marvels name on it and is bandwagoning off the hype of vampire games?
not sure i want this in my library for free
honest valley
while a steam user still has to pay 20$ as its not 100% off
tranquil cove
while a steam user still has to pay 20$ as its not 100% off
yeah, for me the deals on epic always make it better than steam
i don't care about slow UI/APP when i have 16 cores and a 3080ti
and i don't really care about feature rich app, i am not playing the steam app, i click play on a game and all of that is meaningless to me after.
honest valley
i just dont want to split my library between multiple storefronts
tranquil cove
but there's no way to consolodate
i don't want steam to be a monopoly
i don't want a duopoly either
so we're going to have 5+ apps for gaming, and 5+ apps for streaming
and have to spend money all over the place, but somehow i feel a monopoly would be worse
vague galleon
i dont have epic because of all the shady shit they do.
free games mean nothing to me.
honestly, steam can be a monopoly, cause they actually dont suck.
elfin shale
is this like the worst game that is $79 just because it has marvels name on it a...
It's actually like 70% dating sim and 30% turn-based tactics card game.
But it's a dating sim with friendship only.
timber prism
Def the highlight for me from all these trailers https://x.com/shinobi602/status/1799615048903442680
Twitter
misty arch
that game does look pretty good. Hopefully Ill be done with the Elden Ring DLC by the time it releases
and a little more footage of its gameplay
https://youtu.be/fdxNeF_Ps48?si=39rBXJ1c6f1GvZBX
dusk bluff
people that work 10/12 hour shifts. i have started a server for people that like...
Bro this is literally called "other games" lol
If only there was one called Looking for group.
misty arch
tranquil cove
https://www.pcgamer.com/games/city-builder/there-are-so-many-great-city-builder-...
citadelum, basically rome game lol
i mean the game called caesar 2/3
tranquil cove
i still think conquest of the new world is one of the best games i ever played
damn they dont make game studios intros that good anymore
just marble in space with a giant laser being etched, and epic movie music, like you're tuning into paramount or MGM or something
i could play this for hours even today
the sim city type generation of towns was cool
you had to figure out how to provide what your town needed to gain levels on your housing and increase the town size
and more town would generate, and it has probably one of the oldest turn based grid combats i've seen maybe
which is still used in modern games today
ie a game mechanic that never died.
timber prism
timber prism
royal ivy
torpid briar
Does anyone play V Rising here? I have a scout servant that shoots at the castle interior occasionally. I wonder if that suppose to happen or if it's a bug.
tepid wadi
Sounds like a bug, maybe it's trying to fire at an enemy outside your castle through a window or something
torpid briar
It has tried to shoot various things like door pillars and teleporter pillar. I'm not sure if there's animals nearby.
tepid wadi
Seems weird, but I don't think it'll actually do anything
torpid briar
Yeah. I might replace him later though.
tepid wadi
Oh no, I gotta get my ass in gear and prep a character
misty arch
this might help
https://www.ign.com/videos/shadow-of-the-erdtree-everything-you-need-to-do-before-elden-rings-dlc
tranquil cove
we need that RPG youtube guy to do a video on elden rings ridiculous costumes
that mage hat basically swallowed that character in the thumbnail
need like a giant mage hat with 2 legs parody
elden ring parody walk around in giant mage hat bumping into things
the hat goes down to your knees
tepid wadi
this might help
https://www.ign.com/videos/shadow-of-the-erdtree-everything-you-...
TL:DR Play the game to almost the end, but not into NG+, got it. 😝
misty arch
TL:DR Play the game to almost the end, but not into NG+, got it. 😝
the biggest point of what needs to be done is there are 2 specific bosses that need to be killed to be able to go into the DLC, Mohg the Lord of Blood and Starscourge Radahn.
tepid wadi
Yeah, for sure. I think you have to kill Radahn to get to Mohg though, if I recall correctly.
hollow barn
Yeah, for sure. I think you have to kill Radahn to get to Mohg though, if I reca...
No, just doing Varres Quest gets you to mogh
misty arch
came out today
https://store.steampowered.com/sub/1000794?snr=1_4_4__118
vague galleon
i wanted that but i really just want to play the first one for a few hours.
i could just get the PS2 copy for 10-20. XD
timber prism
$70 for all of that doesn't seem bad
i could never get into KH myself
i tried starting at KH3 and i lasted about an hour before i turned the game off
vague otter
I just started playing #islandparadise After Storm. It's a nonviolence survival game.
candid quiver
Kh 1 was the best, then it became more of a mess imo ^^
vague galleon
its stupid edgy weirdass story and although its not my thing im Very glad it exists.
candid quiver
I liked the vibe in the first.
Combat was nice and direct (reminded me of secret of mana),
But becomes a bit too flashy button mashy at times
(Many modern jrpgs becomes that to me nowadays more and more sadly)
honest valley
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lMO1MHoRX0g
i think i have been mistaking your profile picture for this fish the whole time, unless someone was actually using a spongebob fish for a profile pic
i think its this one it looks like
timber prism
i think i have been mistaking your profile picture for this fish the whole time,...
Same.. i have also been mistaking your pfp as a fish
karmic trench
Hey all. Hope the day is treating you well. Taking a break from Enshrouded and Valheim for a while and am trying to decide between Wrath of the Righteous or Kingmaker to play. What do pwoplw think?
tranquil cove
just play them in order if they are from the same game
i think pathfinder was okay
but i didn't really love the mechanics ever
or was it pillars of eternity that i disliked
i have both games, i always get them confused and was never into them
found neither to be even comparable or close to BG2, which sucks since i think at least one of them claims to be some sort of "successor"
i had more fun with avernum than either game
so old style looking game gave me hours more fun
i'd say they are similar to BG3 in terms of enjoyment maybe
i am not a huge BG3 fan either
one would almost assume i hate the genre entirely
but all 3 are better than dragon age which is absolute garbage
it's really hard to say how to rank them, for myself... like i have criticisms with all these rpgs, in some ways they are better, in other ways not
probably witcher is better?
but not in every way, but maybe overall
never winter nights is probably better
broken hamlet
yo anyone got a extra val code?
mild rampart
anyone take a look at -once human-?
misty arch
ive been keeping an eye on it and will jump in after the closed betas are done
mild rampart
ive been keeping an eye on it and will jump in after the closed betas are done
You havent tried the demo out?
misty arch
no
tepid wadi
I played it back in December and decided to not play it again until the release. Didn't want to burn myself out on it before it even came out.
It seems good, but also it's a pretty grindy game, and if you grind through the starting phases multiple times, you're liable to not want to do it again after it's out
mild rampart
TY for that, kinda looked interesting and hearing someone not wanting to burn out before release bodes well
coral glade
Hey all. Hope the day is treating you well. Taking a break from Enshrouded and...
Both of these games are so awesome. Kingmaker is the first in the series. You could start with that, because if you play WOTR first, kingmaker might feel unpolished in comparison.
timber prism
misty arch
its almost here and its big
https://www.pcgamer.com/games/rpg/shadow-of-the-erdtree-is-bigger-than-most-full-games-hidetaka-miyazaki-mustve-been-pulling-our-legs-when-he-said-its-map-was-comparable-to-the-size-of-limgrave/
dusk bluff
Yay!
karmic trench
Both of these games are so awesome. Kingmaker is the first in the series. You co...
Cheers for that
tranquil cove
in future there will be such a thing as a game being too big
especially if the world is only mediocre, or too stressful or something else, where you're like it's great in small doses, but do i really want to spend 1000 hours here? and the next 2 years of my life etc?
when a new game comes out every month that looks just as interesting
lol
bigger games get the more this will be a problem
it's already a problem for me as a 90s gamer, i barely complete anything anymore, too much investment
dusk bluff
I am the opposite. I would rather spend thousands of hours in a huge world I love than keep hopping to a new game.
tepid wadi
Well, I think the concern there comes from the world only being too mediocre or not the right fit for you in some ways more than the actual size of the world, too.
Like. I'll spend as many hours as it takes to get through a fromsoft map because they're interesting and beautiful and different and horrifying and that works for me.
But I have trouble spending 10 hours in an ubisoft map no matter how big they make it because it's always the same thing and it gets boring real fast.
dusk bluff
Also it doesn't get super easy later on.
There is a decent difficulty the whole way through
tepid wadi
Yeah, and it's not just "all stress all the time", the difficulty comes in waves and you can always back off and go do something else for a bit.
That's kinda why I like survival games too, they're stressful when you're out exploring and gathering, but then you get back to your base and it's chill relax and build time.
A lot of games fail because they only have one gameplay loop and it gets tiring just always doing the same thing.
You need a moment to step back and be like "wow that was crazy, I'm glad that's not happening currently."
tranquil cove
even a good map, if the game is high stress
it could take years to finish with the sizes of maps lately
i don't play a game that is stressful longer than 2 hours myself
but yeah if it was absolutely a world i adored... theoretically a larger map and that being the only game i need for 2 years is plausible
but good point about the world also remaining challenging, and also looking new and not repeat content or dull or tired
like i have games people would consider 8/10 or better
but i barely did content on them
could just be a me thing
again...
tepid wadi
Everyone's got different preferences, some people really love high stress gameplay
tranquil cove
i feel like lots of people are in same boat though
tepid wadi
Sure, but that doesn't mean a high stress game is bad, it just means it's not for you. Not really a "World size" problem, just a preference difference
tranquil cove
depends, high stress means you feel stressed... like tension in the muscles, heart rate is faster, an actual effect on your nervous system
i don't think anyone likes it, being a hostile troll doesn't count
lol
tepid wadi
Like, I don't really like horror games, so it doesn't matter how big or small the world is, I'm not going to enjoy being in it.
tranquil cove
someone who trolls and yells at people in an FPS might not get the stress reaction
they might enjoy the hostility
but if they were actually stressed they might only play 2 hours
tepid wadi
Different things also stress different people out too. Like I don't really get stressed by fast action combat, but other people definitely do
Horror games stress me out, but I have a friend who finds them relaxing 🤷♀️
Brains are weird
tranquil cove
Sure, but that doesn't mean a high stress game is bad, it just means it's not fo...
i meant more in the situations where its a game you like, and enjoy, but in smaller doses, if the world is large it will take a long time to complete it
tepid wadi
Yeah, but that's also different per person too. Everyone has different play session lengths that they like. I'll sit and play a game for 6 hours that you might only play for 1, and that's totally fine too
Targeting play session length is actually an important aspect of game design
tranquil cove
for me it depends on the game, i used to play 6 hours when i was younger
now it's like.. only a few games can get me that involved
so yeah i get that it's all variable
but just think about world sizes now, we have like microsoft flight sim which is basically the whole world lol
and i dunno games that are so huge that it takes hours to walk across them
might be okay now, but lets say every game in future just has tons of hours of content, and worlds as big as earth
you'd have to pick and choose what you play and maybe never see the end of a game lol
tepid wadi
Yeah, I mean it's just like anything else. Just saying "massive world" isn't enough to make a game good. It's only a piece of good news about Shadow of the Erdtree because we know that it's going to be good content.
tranquil cove
gamers would be split more and more into niche communities, where some people spend all their lives playing 1 game
tepid wadi
It's the same conversation as every game being live service. People just don't have time for that stuff. There's plenty of good games with a much shorter playtime
tranquil cove
and less common would be the days when you could meet someone who played the same games as you.. like i can meet people today who played 20 different games that i also played in the last 10 years
in the future if world sizes are so big, you wont be able to meet gamers who experienced games
tranquil cove
It's the same conversation as every game being live service. People just don't h...
yeah presumably short games would still exist and other genres
tepid wadi
Well there's also a ton more saturation of games now too. SO many games come out, we're seeing that with Survival Year 2024, lol
tranquil cove
yep
it just sucks that
like i have witcher series, but i only played 1 of 3 games
and didn't finish it
pathfinder, i have both games, never finished, so much flipping content
aside from the fact that i am DND fan
tepid wadi
Having too many good games to play is probably the best problem to have 🤷♀️
tranquil cove
as a DND fan never beat BG3 even once.
XCOM series, played them both maybe 50 hours in each, but never beat 1 or 2
Baldursgate 2 i beat like 6 times
so either these games somehow don't compare, i changed since my young age, or the content is just too much to keep me hooked
tepid wadi
Yeah but when Baldur's Gate 2 came out, it was probably like the only game that even came out in that month 😝
tranquil cove
haha yeah
you sort of have the problem of niche gamers today
those wierd people who just play league of legends and dead by daylight all day
and never make friends because they wont touch any other game
the Moba people
since i guess MOBA's in some form are endless content games
or like WOW maybe
not really due to endless map though
tepid wadi
Yeah, match based PvP games tend to be much better "infinite content" games than open world games of any size.
I don't think anyone's figured out a way to procedurally generate infinite maps in a way that is infinitely engaging to explore. The closest thing we have is probably No Man's Sky
timber prism
as a DND fan never beat BG3 even once.
This really sounds like a personal issue with your current gaming habits that you just assume is happening to everyone
I don't think there is any issue with map sizes or games becoming too big
tranquil cove
This really sounds like a personal issue with your current gaming habits that yo...
i beat other games, but more early access types
or older
timber prism
Like why can't you finish BG3?
Its not like quality of the game is bad. Just spend an hour or two a day playing it
tranquil cove
what tends to happen is i play a game for 2 weeks, tell myself i will get back to it, and then rely on the cloud save, and then 1 year later when i try to go back to it i forget everything that happened, or how to even play including the controls, and where i was... loading an old save feels so disorienting where i would need 2 hours to just look around at what happened... that i tend to just start a new game, play for 2 weeks, end up in the same spot and stop again.
timber prism
So you have gamer adhd
tranquil cove
lol
well it's just that the game doesn't keep me hooked, BG3 is super boring in ACT3
i think witcher had a lull in the story too
i don't particularly like any of the BG3 characters either
timber prism
So it has nothing to do with map sizes game length... just your ability to stay interested long enough
tranquil cove
if content in the game is sooo huge the ability to stay interested is tested for longer
i eventually completed skyrim, mostly
timber prism
Interesting
timber prism
It just sounds like maybe rpgs aren't for you
tranquil cove
not after 2000
timber prism
What you are criticizing is what most people want
coral glade
So what pre 2000 rpg met goyr interest sorry for jumping in but I'm really curious
tranquil cove
i've completed a lot of SNES and ps2 rpgs actually, like chrono trigger/chrono cross, zelda etc.
BG2 i completed 6 times
the characters interested me
coral glade
That game length is huge. Even bigger than bg3
tranquil cove
skyrim i played like 3 times, i'd say close to completion on it
timber prism
Yeah
tranquil cove
That game length is huge. Even bigger than bg3
what game length? bg2?
coral glade
what game length? bg2?
Yep
tranquil cove
yeah but BG2 has the more grindy part in the beginning with Amn, and then you're off to more interesting areas.
for some reason in BG3 they bring us to town in act 3
witcher did the same mistake
timber prism
I think it is just personal preference still
coral glade
I really disagree that those choices were mistakes.
timber prism
Not any actual issues with modern game dev
tepid wadi
And it really doesn't have anything to do with game size
timber prism
Yeah
tranquil cove
yeah story writing is less to do with being a good game dev, and more to do with writing a good story imo
BG3 has game dev issues too
coral glade
Bg3 is fantastic but I do think act 3 lost some pacing. It didn't have to do with the map size or game length imo.
timber prism
That is what I was trying to figure out reading everything he wrote
What about any of this has to do with game size issues xd
coral glade
BG3 has game dev issues too
Yeah but most would agree it's not the characters which you admit you didn't like. (Personal preference stuff)
tranquil cove
i was talking about the future when game world sizes are the planet of earth sized
like elden ring, travel across earth instead, the next GTA5, travel across earth again etc.
coral glade
i was talking about the future when game world sizes are the planet of earth siz...
Lol that's madness I'm not sure I'd love that either
timber prism
The future you speak of is all theoretical
tranquil cove
GTA5 could work in earth map i think, though
since MMO really, and you can just play in your own city lol
imagine if the maps were based off GPS and google maps
like microsoft flight sim
tranquil cove
but certain games are just unbeatable in a way
either because they are early access and have no finish yet
or because they are meant to always be played, like cosmeteer for example, you can do a single player campaign which is pretty boring and repetitive.
but the main idea of that game is to build ships and then test them against other ships
you could basically never be done with this game, so the fact that i stopped playing it really means nothing
like i made this ship in that game
Twitter
and won the ship of the day announcement or whatever
and once upon a time i did this ship
now they added new mechanics to this game
new parts and engines to play around with
i could go back and upgrade these ships
they added new weapons too
elfin shale
i was talking about the future when game world sizes are the planet of earth siz...
Light No Fire by Hello Games is apparently going to be an open world game.
As in, they are creating an entire planet to scale.
mild rampart
I have that wishlisted
pastel crown
me too
im very excited to play as a bunny and that's about it
if the gameplay loop is anything like nms i'll be down
mild rampart
skye and pax dei as well
pastel crown
i saw a little bit about pax dei but idk anything about it
mild rampart
cosy is very linear, the critters are super cute and they are adding more outfits, but it still feels rushed
i purchased EA of gogo town and am enjoying that
but i miss everquest and SWG and need a good mmo/mmorpg again
pastel crown
i played the gogo town demo for a little bit a few months ago how is it
mild rampart
oh you didnt do the nextfest they just had? its fun very engaging and i dont do managment sims
pastel crown
yeah i didnt bother with the nextfest demo cause i was trying so many other demos
i think it's on my wishlist tho i thought it was cute
have u tried reka?
mild rampart
its has a lite mysims look and vibe but funny and devs are on it in chat collecting info and helping
pastel crown
yeah i tuned into a dev stream once and they were fun
mild rampart
the witch one right, was horrid to load into , i demod it and delted it in 10 mins
pastel crown
it's a bit janky but i like it
i completed the demo it's got about 30 mins of content
mild rampart
i have a thing about lighting issues ingame and it set it off, headache way too fast
its about shadows and coloring more than flashes and strobe
pastel crown
i think i get what u mean
mild rampart
I looked into aloft as well, but their recent update kinda made it meh for me
pastel crown
i played aloft for a little bit and just got a bit bored yeah
the combat seemed interesting, the little combo system
mild rampart
my wishlist is varied, and i knocked some off so its down to about 150...
pastel crown
my wishlist is very small
mild rampart
once human is near top, clockwork revolution
pastel crown
im most excited for monster hunter wilds
never heard of it
just searched, clockwork revolution looks really pretty
mild rampart
top two though would be worldshards and among the wild... im put in for playtesting both a few days ago
pastel crown
worldshards looks rlly interesting gonna add that to my wishlist
mild rampart
just searched, clockwork revolution looks really pretty
it is distinct, and seems like itll be ..a thought filled game
pastel crown
im a sucker for anything steampunk
mild rampart
uhm collectos cove might be good and of course tales of the shire
im pulling the tiles off wishlist to share with you lol
pastel crown
thank u a lot of these i've never heard of and actually looks rlly interesting
gonna addonce human to my wishlist as well i think
mild rampart
littlelands , lost skies
pastel crown
once i start university again im gonna have no time for video games 
short sail
I'm boring. I bought Manor Lords two months ago. 
mild rampart
im near 50 and basically house bound, my son is 23..we game quite a bit when he isnt working and of course i game alone too
mild rampart
I'm boring. I bought Manor Lords two months ago. <:deercat_derp:1101170842999717...
thats a management innit?
pastel crown
im 20 and just finished my first year of uni 
mild rampart
im 20 and just finished my first year of uni <a:fell_hyper:1217240409256759450>
grats that, good on you
pastel crown
thank u thank u
short sail
thats a management innit?
I'm not good enough in english to understand that statement I guess.
mild rampart
we are setting up fortales of tablcraft as well, as we do d&d stuff
pastel crown
innit? = isn't it?
mild rampart
I'm not good enough in english to understand that statement I guess. <:deercat_d...
the lords game you mentioned is a managment style game isnt it?
I type how i talk which is horrid all round
short sail
Using shortys when I'm not short.
Oh. Yes it is.
I only got completly stomped and robbed by bandits in 4 of 5 tries
pastel crown
we are setting up fortales of tablcraft as well, as we do d&d stuff
i've been looking for smth like this so im actually gonna keep an eye out
if i typed how i talked i dont think anyone would understand me
mild rampart
i speak american english poorly mostly because i am tired of fighting a mushy brain and i trust most have enough intelligence to fill in my blurs
pastel crown
irish english is cool because it's still got bits of old english in it
mild rampart
german is silly because saying i love you sounds like a threat
pastel crown
it should always sound like a threat
mild rampart
my son took it four years, i got to hear a bit
pastel crown
"i love you 🔫"
i took it back when i was 12 and only learnedh ow to count to 10 and say "ich bin kalt"
mild rampart
i grew up around a few spainish speakers, learned asl as a kid {first school i went to was for hearing and speech impared} and picked up some tagalog while in vegas, mostly curses and innuendos
pastel crown
i learned irish for my entirely life but i cant speak a word of it
stinky education system here
sign language is cool
mild rampart
it was but now sometimes i start signing while talking and get looks, i dont mean to sign and havent used it for nearly 20 yrs but its leaking in
pastel crown
that's cool tho that means it's still knockin around in your noggin
i learned irsih sign language for a little bit and after i stopped using it i completely forgot it
mild rampart
@short sail so managment and valheim, is there any other distinct or unique styles of games you play?
mild rampart
that's cool tho that means it's still knockin around in your noggin
no, not cool lol when a brain start doing things all on its own that it like shouldnt, you start looking at dementia and alzheimers
pastel crown
nah if u ask me that's a sign of a healthy brain
mild rampart
@nymph you too, what are your go to games?
pastel crown
my go-to games as of late have been terraria, slime rancher & elden ring
little bit of no man's sky too, kinda getting back into it for the first time in a few years
OH and deep rock galactic
deep rock galactic is a top ten favourite it's so fun
mild rampart
have you seen slime hero?
pastel crown
nope but ill look into it
mild rampart
no mans has grow so great
pastel crown
slime hero looks cute, only has 4 reviews damnn
mild rampart
my son does deep rock {and no mans and minecraft and just a ton like i do}
pastel crown
i first played nms in 2020 and it's changed so much over the years i feel weirdly proud lol
mild rampart
it has reviews? not on steam, they dont let you review til it launches
heroes the S matters
my bad
slime heroeS
mild rampart
ohhh slime heroeS
yeah when you said reviews i went huh..and had to see where i sent you
short sail
<@345694356851785728> so managment and valheim, is there any other distinct or u...
Ehem.
I play...
World of Warcraft. Diablo 3/4. Guild Wars 2. Most Mario Games and Nintendo series, except anything Sci-Fi or like Metroid, (Star Fox for example is okay, but I don't like these Alien Figures that aim to be awful to look at, y'know...), in Steam I do play Age of Empires 1-4, Valheim, Manor Lords, Enshrouded, Divinity Original Sin 2 / I try to warm up with Baldurs Gate 3 (Same reason actually as with the Sci-Fi. Can't see Veins with blood. Normal blood or mine is somehow fine, but fictional blood or horrid creatures do somewhat put me off. I know, playing Diablo 3 I shouldn't have issues with that but somehow in Diablo it makes fun to kill all that moves. But... )
And that's basically it. Some old RPGs I played also, like Secret of Mana, Evermore and so on.
Oh. I forgot Heroes of the Storm and Hearthstone to mention. 
But all of these games without spending excessive money or only as a Birthday/Holiday gift if.
Honorable mentioned are Soul Blazer, Terranigma, all Ori-games and uh...
mild rampart
oh hearthstone son likes that {he does magic cards} and same for spending, its most all gifted in my wallet save me adding maybe 10 dollars a couple time a yaer to top off for something
short sail
Warcraft 3.
(May it rest in peace)
mild rampart
I did wow, world shards feels like wow lite
i get the blood thing, as i mentioned i have a light thing
short sail
I actually even remember the first game I played.
Mario Advance 2, Yoshis Island.
That was... When I was like 6 or 7?
mild rampart
pong i played pong...
actually it was qbert in an arcade was my big first game i think
short sail
That sounds sad. Pong is great. Next to the windows pinball game it has killed most of my time in school.
And well... Age of Empires 1
mild rampart
id have to say minesweeper was my time killer, until tertris..i played so much tetris i slept with the shapes floating in my eyes
i still play tetris we have gameboys
short sail
I was always bad at mine sweeper. Never got really the concept.
Until I readed after.
Well... The games I loved most were Wario Land 2-3, next to most Mario Games.
I love to hoard money.
mild rampart
the big game i was into most was SWG star wars galaxies online by sony, I was a tailoer and did huge museum collections earned thru barter { i make this youkill that} the community iname was amazing
that was 20 yrs ago, before that i think i played d&d more than anything
ok time to go get some breakfast going
get some rest today Van, hydrate however you get liquid in you. Take the day and just be
short sail
2 hrs left. Then even my bad day will be over. 
compact cobalt
Warcraft 3.
(May it rest in peace)
More or less the best game ever made
compact cobalt
found my sehnsucht cd
Rammstein's Sehnsucht?
pastel crown
ye
compact cobalt
Probably their best w Herzeleid
compact cobalt
They didn't mellow much in terms of pyrotechnics even with age
pastel crown
yeah sehnsucht is probably my favourite
compact cobalt
I am jealous in any case 
pastel crown
it rains all the time here so good luck to them
compact cobalt
Last saw them at 2013 wacken
pastel crown
i wish i'd got tickets
compact cobalt
it rains all the time here so good luck to them
Uk/ireland?
pastel crown
didnt think i'd have anyone to go with but then my brohter pops out like oh yeah im going
ireland
we're the uk's umbrella
pastel crown
it's great until it stops raining for 2 weeks and you start to dry out like a raisin
compact cobalt
didnt think i'd have anyone to go with but then my brohter pops out like oh yeah...
Maybe you can still get some in front of the venue (if its close by :D)
pastel crown
the tickets were like 90 euro so i dont even wanna imagine what the resell value is
compact cobalt
From scalpers prolly like 3x that
pastel crown
yeaah
compact cobalt
Actually yeah
With rammstein its unlikely to get someone desperately trying to sell their tickets on the day
Band is wayyy too popular
pastel crown
it's probably gonna be their last time here for a while too
compact cobalt
pastel crown
they seem like the type to tour well into their 70s
pastel crown
he's a strange little man
compact cobalt
And i don't see someone like richard doing anything else but music
compact cobalt
he's a strange little man
Definitely strange
pastel crown
watch him become a peanut farmer or smth
pastel crown
i'd travel to berlin to try rammstein asparagus
compact cobalt
Lmao
There is rammstein vodka i think but not sure who makes it
Probably some random company
pastel crown
yeah it's prolly shit
unless they make it with their own little hands im not interested
compact cobalt
I think three of my hands could fit into tills tbh
Man is a giant
Would be the most efficient asparagus farmer
pastel crown
till seems more like a potato farmer
pastel crown
or maybe a beef farmer
i think potatoes are the most stereotypical crop
theyre just geat
great
every country has its own variety
compact cobalt
Ireland also has a lot of potato history doesnt it
pastel crown
yip
wouldnt have been that great if the british at the time stopped taking our wheat & other crops
compact cobalt
I'm sure they needed it for their queen or for god's glory or something like that
No chance they would just let thousands of people starve right?
pastel crown
they could never 
im meant to be cleaning my room ig ot so distracted
back to work bye bye
compact cobalt
pastel crown
short sail
More or less the best game ever made
For making Maps and your own shenanigans? Yes.
As an RTS? I hate it. 😆
While I like the concept of Heroes within armys, I absolutely hated the food restriction that lowered your gold, the possibilities of only mustering 1 army before running out of gold, Orcs evergreen OP with 3-4x Battle strengthening buffs that other races craved for and yea...
You had no real fights If you lost the first battle. No comeback
Which is why I like Age of Empires more as an RTS
compact cobalt
That's fair, I also mostly love it because of the map editor and custom maps
Basically 1000 games in one
short sail
My biggest gripe was that 12 people are not an army. 
But yes. It spawned DotA and alotta other things
compact cobalt
I wasted so much of my childhood in DotA Allstars..
short sail
Is it wasted If you enjoyed it?
compact cobalt
Probably not
Could've learned something cool like piano or mongolian throat singing instead though
short sail
I learned what I loved though.
Counting money.
candid quiver
dusk bluff
While I like the concept of Heroes within armys, I absolutely hated the food res...
You played it wrong then. You build more barracks and get an army back out immediately.
The high level play I did it would be constant back and forth since we both could spin up armies so fast.
Lots of dryads and head hunters
short sail
But you'd run out of gold building that much barracks faster than u could mine it.
candid quiver
Have no idea what boring-sounding game ur discussing now (rts are not my teacup) ^^
dusk bluff
Have no idea what boring-sounding game ur discussing now (rts are not my teacup)...
Wc3 is the reason many games today even exist
muted falcon
Wc3 is the reason many games today even exist
wc3 sc sc2 was my jam
candid quiver
Warcraft 2 and 3 are good, as i said i have no idea what game you people where talking about ^^
(i see wc2 and wc3 diff then an RTS as they became later)
Warcraft 2 is better then warcraft 3 or wow tho ^^
dusk bluff
(i see wc2 and wc3 diff then an RTS as they became later)
I'm confused by this. War craft came before a bunch of other RTS though.
war craft 1 and 2 came out years before star craft and wc3 came out like 4 years after sc so I wouldn't say much later to the scene
candid quiver
I dont know what the confusion is; i liked warcraft 2, i do not tend to like the RTS-genre of today,
And you guys didnt mention what game you were talking about.
Did i miss some part? ^^
dusk bluff
We did xD
tepid wadi
I dont know what the confusion is; i liked warcraft 2, i do not tend to like the...
Maybe you don't like today's RTS games because WC3 was the last time there were major advancements in the genre 😝
candid quiver
Maybe ^^
candid quiver
We did xD
You did not, its a tangle of 'replied to' and discussion, had to go back to 13 today to even see the first mention now (thats 9 hours more or less) ; )
dusk bluff
Wc3
Ok sorry I said that after but it takes literally 2 clicks on comments to bring you to warcraft 3 lol
candid quiver
^^
vague galleon
the only thing i likes about wc2 was how imsanely easy it was to make your own maps.
SC is my favorite RTS but the ai is brutal and noncustomiable for the VD mode.
mild rampart
I envy yall I cant do a RTS to save my life
vague galleon
(i always used cheat codes in storymode)
tepid wadi
I envy yall I cant do a RTS to save my life
The last RTS that I was any good at was Dune 2000, which was... a long time ago.
dusk bluff
Sins of a solar empire!
tranquil cove
The last RTS that I was any good at was Dune 2000, which was... a long time ago.
empire at war was basically the starwars board game i made in highschool
they used every idea i had for a space starwars combat game
was neat to see that someone made millions off my idea
and that i was prevented due to copyright
i'd say the minor difference was that i had aft and starboard shielding and sides
where they provided a shield value for the whole ship
no good starwars games anymore, i liked republic commando and thats about it after prequels, the rest were meh or based on disney crap
dusk bluff
Spell force is also really good and it's similar to warcraft in ways
tranquil cove
the old rogue squadron was good
i never liked the RTS genre did some starcraft and AOE 2 and 3 but
think the closest thing to RTS i like anymore is resource managment games like ANNO
where you setup supply lines to make more complex stuff
very little combat no pvp
it basically took an RTS and deepened the resource side of things
and removed PVP
oh and i remember of course enjoying empire at war, and age of mythology was fun
but between AOE, age of mythology and empire at war... not a real RTS fan
candid quiver
Kotor 1 and 2 are the only good sw games.
mild rampart
the only star wars game i will ever care about was SWG
tranquil cove
just because of the development in those days, like you're supposed to escape from an exploding ship, and the game wants you to run down a hallway
and it's supposed to be that a sith is also breaking the door behind you
mild rampart
not RTS in any form but still
tranquil cove
but you can stand in that hallway for 2 hours while you go eat dinner
lol which just destroys all sense of urgency
kotor got kind of boring though midway
and the ambient noise was annoying
like reverb all over the place
tranquil cove
not RTS in any form but still
SWG was probably good but i never played it
they wanted money for subscription and i was cheap
i'm still cheap
i really had a blast in jedi knight dark forces 2
even jedi academy, and outcast were okay
i think i have the game starwars jedi survivor
but i played 10 minutes and quit
lol
seemed good, a bit complex
no idea of the story is good might be trash there
mild rampart
SWG was probably good but i never played it
i played it from launch til server shut down, did everquest and eq2 as well...was such a sony sheep back then
yup have shire wishlisted
thick lily
did anyone get a legacy: steel and sorcery invite?
tranquil cove
did anyone get a legacy: steel and sorcery invite?
nope what's that
thick lily
tranquil cove
looks interesting
mild rampart
that looked fun
dusk bluff
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GmsQWcaw12A
This looks really basic and slow tbh
Generic phone game vibes. Archer stands and waits for him to wind up and throw his sling. Then shoots him once while he charges. He picks up rock, she shoots once at the rock then basically stands there lol.
mild rampart
pax dai just went availble
timber prism
Not suprised at the reviews so far
candid quiver
Pax-Dei smh i had an alpha spot, but the community on their discord turned me off the game,
They were about how roleplaying is 'silly' or something, felt like a call of duty crowd for some strange reason.
timber prism
i think it just depends on the people
mild rampart
my son just purchased it for me so i will be throwing down in there soonish
timber prism
cuz the reviews i have seen talk about how people roleplay in it
i read this in a review just now
"The negative reviews about using plain assets, or combat system, is valid, but ultimately unfair. You can't go into this game expecting Palworld, or Rust, or New World, or Wow."
Im over here thinking why can't we go into this game expecting it not to just have flipped assets? XD
mild rampart
i think it just depends on the people
very much so, palia is free toplay, 200,000 in server but only like 40 are chatting, makes it feel like a clic
timber prism
i played Palia during testing/launch and it was very social
mild rampart
i played Palia during testing/launch and it was very social
ingame yes, on discord no
ive been in palia since beta
timber prism
oh.. i mean most discord servers are just not good XD
gen chat is typically just nightmare fuel imo
candid quiver
i think it just depends on the people
Yeah, the core people talking abput 'their' rpg mmo, and how they dislike roleplaying..
It was stupid enpugh of chaos on their discord where i was for like a year, that it turned me off the barebones idea. And the devs sneaky answers on there about future monetization
I followed it since before first playtest.
timber prism
im gonna try it when it hits 1.0 to see where it goes
mild rampart
OK heading in..I can do this, i survived the shroud all by myself!
tepid wadi
I'm happy to give Pax Dei some more time to cook. I'm just hoping that it gets it. I can't say I'm too surprised by the current reception based on the state of the game in beta. It felt like it had a lot of work to do before release.
tranquil cove
the problem with discord is when the discords are uruly and not managed well and behaviour is bad
you essentially get banned for behaving the way someone else does and making them hate themselves 😄
so it's all favouritism and hypocrisy
act like they do, and they don't like it
act like they do, better than they do, and you get banned
but some of the best pvpers i've known were also heavy into roleplay
it's like the best of both worlds
tranquil cove
you essentially get banned for behaving the way someone else does and making the...
this is reference to something stephen colbert said a long time ago on the colbert report
i think it was? "if you want someone to like you, act like they do until they hate themselves" (could have been if you want someone to dislike you)
because most people don't realize how bad their behaviour is until they experience it themselves, and then essentially they are hating themselves when they dislike you
mild rampart
So char creation i dig, and I have a problem of not doing as I should first round {and smearing my face everyehere...ike dieing and gettig lost and poking things} i am having a froggin blast
we are doing dinner know but it has some mechanics I appreciate {corpse pull, guiding wind} and selecting start area feels like SWG {server planet city..type}
mild rampart
this is reference to something stephen colbert said a long time ago on the colbe...
I prefer to just BE me, errors and all..acting takes more skill than i can muster
tepid wadi
because most people don't realize how bad their behaviour is until they experien...
In QA this translates to "if you want someone to fix a bug immediately, make them experience it on their machine" 😝
tranquil cove
In QA this translates to "if you want someone to fix a bug immediately, make the...
thank you, you helped me remember the whole quote
it was "if you want someone to change themselves/their behaviour, act like they do, and they will hate themselves"
woo hoo
tepid wadi
All the buzz has basically been "It's more Elden Ring, exactly what you wanted." and I'm okay with that.
misty arch
yep, dont havea problem with that one bit
mild rampart
just an fyi , the wall crawling face smearing gotta poke it all is having a blast in the very open extremely sandbox Pax Dei.
tepid wadi
Pax Dei's beta was fun for a bit, but when the grind hits, it hits, and the game loses a lot of what makes it fun. I have a feeling there'll be a few communities that enjoy the game, but grind doesn't equal content so we'll see how the live servers do after 3-6 months of existence
Games like that always struggle to find their niche, but if they do they'll have a super dedicated player base.
tepid wadi
When everything was happy and the world was nice? You're looking for a different developer 😝
tranquil cove
why would it have to be happy and nice
or do you mean the developer already wrote prequel lore that was happy and nice? that sounds like current developer issue.
hollow barn
The only that wrote lore GRRM and not FS
hollow barn
No?
tranquil cove
well i guess i'll never know because i won't play the game, and nobody released the full extent of the lore/papers GRRM wrote for the game
but i see lots of websites saying it's similar to GOT
tepid wadi
GRRM doesn't actually have anything to do with the gameplay. If you're looking for a story game definitely don't play Elden Ring. You'll feel lost and alone and terrified.
There's lore and a world to discover but if you're looking for a character story you won't find it.
mild rampart
Pax Dei's beta was fun for a bit, but when the grind hits, it *hits*, and the ga...
See thats the thing though, i dont grind. I have no problem just doing things as I go. sure it means i am not at the same point a month later as others who started the same time, but it also means I dont feel the grind, so it doesnt dullout so fast
tepid wadi
Figuring out how to deal with new players is definitely something I see Pax Dei struggling with. If you start 6 months later on an established server, can you catch up to players who started at launch? Who knows
Or are they going to have to continually wipe or introduce new servers to keep things functional for new players?
mild rampart
yeah SWG was kinda same way, one towns and cities were establiashed there and land claimed by structures and harvestors and factories..it was dauting for new folks to find footing
tepid wadi
Yeah, and similarly Archeage had a problem where if you started late, all the land was claimed and you had nowhere to build. I doubt Pax Dei would have that specific problem, but all persistent games seem to run into some issues with that.
mild rampart
The difference is you didnt actually have zero when you started SWG so this will be something Ill be watching as well. but for now im face smearing
tepid wadi
Are they going to have people who grief/protect resources? Like can you build a village AROUND certain spawns to block them from other people? Almost certainly 😝
Or people who systematically place plots to obscure all resources on a given map? I'm not sure they're prepared for how crappy people can be in MMO games
mild rampart
the servers have places you can and cant build, and claiming land is oddish, you have plot of circle by yourself, or it squares out if directly sharing someone border
and resources are everywhere, build and no build..and even though it touts no npcs, there are mobs and dungeans {dungeons are definatlygetting controlled by clans, tht feels so very like WoW}
it feels like palia and enshrouded had a mutant
i forget if corrupted is the term but there angry animals and not so nice spirits in the fog
tepid wadi
Yeah, I don't think people could block ALL the resources, but based on my beta experience there were definitely certain areas you could take to block off big chunks of them.
Like in the whole area I was in, there were 2 large iron deposit areas. You could definitely wall those off if you put your mind to it.
Sure there was another node here or there, but to make meaningful progress you needed so much iron
mild rampart
yeah im going pointless as tailor likely, but my son has blacksmithy goals. I spent most all yeaterday just walking the border and doing discovery {pick up everything and drop it for recipes} but found couple spots that I know people there paid way too much for. that one with extra plots {since things show owners name its easy to see who spent the money
tepid wadi
One of my buddies quit playing in the beta because leatherworking progression made him rage. You had to kill like 15 deer to make a single item
mild rampart
the bone shards....yeah thatll kill me
so that hasnt changed, it still too much needed for whats returned
tepid wadi
Yeah, it wasn't just about how much was needed in general, but how hunting isn't "guaranteed". Like you could go out and gather 500 flax real fast but hunting was reliant on what you could actually find.
mild rampart
Yeah, it wasn't just about how much was needed in general, but how hunting isn't...
oh tailoring needs hunting, thats the SWG feel to it too. I need tanned hide and bone...I do like the crafting though. I swear EQ used to have success rolls like PD does.
tepid wadi
Yeah, I like the crafting too, in general. There's just some significant imbalances in how certain things needs to be gathered. That and storage is an absolute nightmare 😝
Stack sizes in that game are horrendous
mild rampart
agree
tranquil cove
houses don't belong in PVP games unless you have house stealing imo
or if you have PVM huge focus and RP
IF a game is strictly PVP however and it doesn't allow for other players to steal other players homes, it's kind of stupid and pointless
use a bank to store your valuables then.
tepid wadi
Hard disagree there. It totally depends on the overall design of the game.
tranquil cove
houses in most games end up being an eyesore as well, because they make suburbs in the world with assets and decorations that stand out and look out of place
tranquil cove
Hard disagree there. It totally depends on the overall design of the game.
hard disagree right back
tepid wadi
Almost like it's personal preference and not a universal truth 😝
tranquil cove
and like you mentioned you run into the problem where you run out of plots for the homes, which i think the new no mans sky wants to solve by having an earth sized planet
tranquil cove
Almost like it's personal preference and not a universal truth 😝
i know the difference between personal preference and truth
now i feel insulted
mild rampart
if things look out of place that is on the devolpers end for allowing the clash. design and placement is something that can be conrolled
tranquil cove
lol
you want houses based purely on preference
thats why you hard disagree
you have a preference to PVP and decorate a home, and keep the home forever
but i stated facts why it's not a good idea and kind of pointless
tepid wadi
and like you mentioned you run into the problem where you run out of plots for t...
Thats a problem archeage had, I dont think its a problem all games have
tranquil cove
aside from the player preference to decorate it adds nothing to pvp
tepid wadi
Who said it had to add to PvP? A lot of people lile PvE objectives in games that have PvP
tranquil cove
like i said houses belong if the game has a strong emphasis on PVE and rp as well
if it's strictly a PVP game, houses are pointless
mild rampart
ive yet to see a pvp where the players dont want to crow about accompliments, decor usually is eay way to do that
tranquil cove
yeah but this only worked well in UO
mild rampart
a pvper that doesnt strut lol
tranquil cove
because you can steal the other players castle, then fill it with their loot and other players loot and show off
what will you fill your PVP home with? decoration from a PVE run? i dunno seems kind of silly
mild rampart
I dont PVP im an angry button pusher..pvp isnt good for folks around me
tranquil cove
like i'm pretty sure conan game allows you break into peoples fortresses
and loot their fortress
that's where people having land/houses makes sense to me
then you need to defend the fortress etc.
mild rampart
oh conan wow havent thought of that for a long time
tranquil cove
being a PVPer who has a PVE house essentially, like a little safe spot where you can be a carebear and store loot that is protected forever makes no sense to me
it means already you're not just a pvper
you enjoy pve and pvp and probably rp too
mild rampart
and thats why there are so many games, not for you move on to the next
tranquil cove
i'm just saying pax dei is a hypocrite of a game
the player base dislikes PVE probably
and says they arent for RP
but they have little carebear safe houses
where their loot is always safe
where they can sit and be safe
mild rampart
so you play enshrouded on a public open server with no passwords or permissions set right?
tranquil cove
it has nothing to do with what i do
i play all types of games
it's just funny that a game advertises as PVP centered, and has a judgemental community i heard, but then has player homes that aren't lootable
i would judge them so hard for that since i come from UO
where people stole our houses, 1 years of work
people rage quit the game sometimes when their house was stolen
if they were advertising as PVE/pvp and welcome RP, by the way here are some protected homes where you can't be attacked and stuff cant ever be stolen, it would make a lot more sense. it's just that they aren't doing that i heard.
mild rampart
pax dei has been clear that it is pvp optioned, never has it been this game is pvp based, which is a very distinct type draw from just pvp
tranquil cove
in ultima online you couldn't even afk in your house, people could cast spells that kill you from outside, and then you're a ghost in your own house.
oh they are advertising it as
Pax Dei is an upcoming massively multiplayer online social sandbox
a social sandbox
so it's GTA5
tranquil cove
i should enter their discord and be like okay lets get a roleplay guild going
and if anyone gives me flak i will proceed to burn them about their safe zone housing
safe zone houses already means the game is not PVP centered
the only 'safe zone' in a PVP centered game is the bank.
and imo they should allow even for bank heists lol
mild rampart
there are RP clans going... and rp has zero to do with PVP...
tranquil cove
there is RP pvp?
mild rampart
again game is not pvp centered lol
tranquil cove
RP can be anything
mild rampart
yes rp and be anything but it does mean you have to pvp or that pvp needs rp
tranquil cove
two RP guilds can roleplay a war with each other and just PVP once it starts
even actually a single RP guild can roleplay a war by themselves against a PVP only guild without anyone in that guild participating in the RP
lol
candid quiver
Another odd thing is pax dei devs splitted from ccp,
Ccp is making more nft or mtx crazy projects now it seems.
But; pax dei team hq in iceland is like 20 mins away from ccp ^^
Doesnt need to mean anything but still. I get an odd vibe from it i dunno ^^
tranquil cove
Pax dei - We believe even the hardcore PvPers deserve a resting place in the world to regroup and gather forces in preparation for the next battle.
LOL
the fact they word it this way, hint's a PVP centered game
despite their claims of social sandbox, and pve
all they had to say, IS we're a pve, social sandbox, people can RP or PVP or do both etc... so we have safe zone housing.
why did they make housing about PVP only?
when the game has other elements.
making housing about PVP only brings the focus back to PVP, and housing being only for PVP, which in turns means housing for PVP is pointless, like i said earlier.
candid quiver
Pax dei player on their discord: "i am a knight of the storm ducks clan, weve 20 members ready - oh but we dont roooleplay thats like gay and silly, just so you know, that is the storm ducks knight clan stance on silly RP..."
🤔
dusk bluff
Another odd thing is pax dei devs splitted from ccp,
Ccp is making more nft or m...
China Communist Party?
Didn't know they were 20 mins from Iceland lol
tranquil cove
if i was making a RP/pvp clan i'd go with my standard guild name, the drunken pirates, TDP. or KOV - Knights of Valor, another neat name is KWS, Killing with Style.
mild rampart
it aint for you, wont stop me from enjoying it. 😛
dusk bluff
Ohhh lol
dusk bluff
Oh no not eve! That game is a drug
tranquil cove
hardcore PVPers don't need a rest, they full loot other people and gank noobs 10 vs 1, then ressurect kill them 10 times in a row and laugh at the poor guys mother while doing it.
make houses lootable, if houses are for the pvpers
candid quiver
I think its gonna be a game about real money and griefing ^^
tranquil cove
is it full loot?
candid quiver
I think so dont remember
tranquil cove
if it's full loot that already contradicts their 'rest' doctrine
candid quiver
I got so disheartened from the vibe on their discord, i followed it before first alpha
They have 'safe valleys' for houses, and 'out in the wilds' its full pvp afaik
Theyve discussed having buyable token system
tranquil cove
like for example when you PVP you have gear and supplies that help you PVP, that usually is worthless but the act of looting it makes life hard for the person you killed because they need to re-gear, the total cost of these items is not enough, but enough to make a person have to farm for a bit before they can PVP again... unless they had a good stock of supplies built up from killing tons of players and full looting them.
there are other items usually in PVP games that are worth a lot more, that would make more sense in being lootable
if you go full loot don't claim people need safe houses for rest
it's just stupid
candid quiver
There will be little ingame content cus i think they want 'the players to make their stories and quests and make a big economy"
Or some such
tranquil cove
pax dei just sounds like another game trying to bring back the glory days of UO but will be forgotten with a niche community in 3 years
candid quiver
I feel they will cram in mtx and real money somehow
Dune is interesting, i like conan exiles
mild rampart
They have 'safe valleys' for houses, and 'out in the wilds' its full pvp afaik
pvp is optional
candid quiver
pvp is optional
No, not outside the safe home valleys
mild rampart
are you playing right now? cause I am
candid quiver
Unless they suddenly changed vision a week before EA
Its always been the pitch, safe zone to build, pvp outside home valleys
Recent alpha2 was so too
tranquil cove
the recall was so fast and hard to interrupt, practically nobody could kill you before you escape unless 4 people attacked you at once
candid quiver
are you playing right now? cause I am
_"Travel the relative safety of the Heartlands and find the perfect plot of land on which to build your home. Protected by the grace of the Divine, your village is a safe harbor.
Adventure awaits as you set foot into the Wilderness. Here, you’ll battle evil beings, uncover mysteries of an ancient and wondrous past, and square off against rival Clans as you struggle for power, position, and resources."_
It IS just as described, the heartlands to build is safe,
Outside where content is. Its PVP if you go outside for better resources
.
No one is stopping anyone from playing it tho, its erryones choice. I dont vibe with it from all ive experienced atleast is all, feels hmm to me.
timber prism
hardcore PVPers don't need a rest, they full loot other people and gank noobs 10...
You have the weirdest takes xd
tranquil cove
if the game is making the player housing a city, and all cities in the world are comprised of player run shops and housing
then it makes sense for the city to be safe zone
otherwise it's pretty carebear and hard disagree with the idea that PVPers need a respite, they make their own safety in a pvp focused game, especially if you're calling it a social sandbox, social sandboxes prize themselves on having few governing rules, the people decide the rules, the safety, how they interact etc.