other-games

[candid quiver]

Yes, really

[tranquil cove]

i disagree

just stateing there will be doesn't prove there will be

[dusk bluff]

I can buy the game, down load the game files and then gift it to someone else who can do the same.

[candid quiver]

You disagree without insight

[dusk bluff]

Then infinite people can play with a single bought copy

[tranquil cove]

no once you gift it you lose the right to play it?

[dusk bluff]

Not if you download the game files

[tranquil cove]

i can already download a game and refund it

and lose the right to play it

[dusk bluff]

You don't lose the game files

[tranquil cove]

even if i have all the files

i can't play the game

[dusk bluff]

You can lol

[tranquil cove]

well i can download all games for free and play them already, it's called pirating

why do i need to use steam at all

and i can add the pirated games to my steam library too

[dusk bluff]

Because you can trust steam files you can't always trust pirate sites

[tranquil cove]

lol

that's 90% propaganda companies use to turn people away from pirating

[daring oasis]

Let's leave piracy out of this server please, thank you 🙂

[dusk bluff]

How I refund the game and keep the files I spent 0

[tranquil cove]

yeah back to gifting games, which has nothing to do with it

[dusk bluff]

Not saying it's right but many do this. I personally don't and think it's dumb.

[tranquil cove]

by your logic i can buy a game, install it, refund it, and play the game

so i should buy and refund every game

it makes no sense.

[dusk bluff]

Steam will block you if you refund too many

[tranquil cove]

nobody does this, even if it was possible

[dusk bluff]

Keep living under a rock bro. I know multiple people who do this. Google it.

[tranquil cove]

i want some games in my steam library, to have forever and play again, and other games i haven't even spent 30 minutes in because i dont like them, but the refund window passed, so i want to gift it.

i just don't like seeing those games in my steam library

[dusk bluff]

Then delete ?

[tranquil cove]

i contacted steam support, they told me i can delete the game from my library forever. not just hide it. but remove ownership.

but you can't gift it, makes little sense to me.

[dusk bluff]

It doesn't have to make sense to you.

[tranquil cove]

when they already have the concept of refunds + gifting, if you initially purchase something to gift.

all their system design would work for what i am saying

[tepid wadi]

You can also make a category for "games I'll never play" and then minimize that category.

[tranquil cove]

since it exists already in the form of gifting, which already exists, and refunds.

[dusk bluff]

Like someone else mentioned use family share lol

[tranquil cove]

and even deleting the game off your library

[finite saffron]

I mean, the simple answer is money. They don't allow you to pass keys around because it would make way less money.

It's not because they don't know how, but they have no financial incentive

[tranquil cove]

i know but i just want it out of my library not taking up game percentage stats of games i played etc.

[dusk bluff]

People care about that?

[finite saffron]

Also that kind of system would disproportionally harm game devs who make games that are single-time experiences. For example story games.

If I could just complete a story and then pass it to my friend to play next, that's a pretty big lost sale. Vs a live service game would basically not be impacted at all by that kind of system.

[dusk bluff]

Great argument. Even being able to gift it once is still 1 potential lost sale

[tranquil cove]

depends what the rules are, devs could also exempt their game from this process.

[finite saffron]

I mean then they'd all exempt them tbh. Like I said, less money

[dusk bluff]

Devs have very little power on platforms like steam.

[tranquil cove]

if you can gift a game at any time even after playing 100 hours in it, or if you can only gift games with zero hours in them. i have games like that too that i am not interested in playing.

[tranquil cove]

not true, factorio apparently doesn't commit to steam sales because they don't care about money. according to them they care about honesty, even though i think their reasons are dumb.

[dusk bluff]

This is already partially a thing. The bundle sales people share the keys to games they won't play and don't claim the key.

[finite saffron]

I mean the factorio dev definitely cares about money, he's just said he doesn't think sales are ethical.

[dusk bluff]

If Factorio didn't care the game would be self funded and free.

Or it would be donation only. Or when we hit enough to cover costs it becomes free.

[tranquil cove]

yeah so it's already a thing even, steam could find a way to make money off it, even charge a surcharge to turn the game into a gift, and only allow 2 hours max play time or something, and exempt short story games automatically.

i'd even pay to gift these games

to get them out of my library

[dusk bluff]

Question why did you buy a game and play 0 hours?

[tranquil cove]

i just don't want to delete them

and i don't want to pay full price of buying the game again

[tranquil cove]

i thought i'd like it, and i didn't

and couldn't refund for one reason or another

[tepid wadi]

Well now you're just being contrary. Why would you buy them again if you know you don't like them?

[dusk bluff]

How do you know you didn't like it if you didn't play it?

[tranquil cove]

how? i said i'd pay a small fee to gift it

if steam is greedy

[tranquil cove]

because i didn't play it for 3 years

[dusk bluff]

What?

[tranquil cove]

or i played under 2 hours, above i showed some games i'd gift

and the hours played

[dusk bluff]

Playing for 2 hours and not at all are completely different

[tranquil cove]

im just not interested in the game

if i didn't play it for 3 years

[dusk bluff]

Then why buy it in the first place I don't understand that

[tranquil cove]

i don't remember specifics of purchases made years ago

i only have 310 games, in 14 years

i'm usually careful, probably more careful than most

i buy a game like twice a year at most

[dusk bluff]

I don't have a single game I bought from steam I have never played

If it didn't interest me I wouldn't have bought it

[tranquil cove]

if i can buy a game as a gift, or buy a game for myself, so long as i never played it, i should be able to convert the game i bought for myself into a gift 5 minutes later.

instead i would have to do an immediate refund

and then rebuy it as a gift

[dusk bluff]

That's fine. If you don't like steams policy on that don't use steam they aren't forcing you.

[tranquil cove]

its more steps for no reason

[dusk bluff]

I know when I buy a game I can't regift it. If I didn't agree with that I wouldn't buy it from them.

[tranquil cove]

lol regift, as if it's used or something

[dusk bluff]

You said you played it so yes it's used

[tranquil cove]

not according to the refund policy

[dusk bluff]

What

[tranquil cove]

they dont even have a gift system in accordance with the refund policy

14 days, under 2 hours

i should be able to gift the game instead of refund it

if i choose

[dusk bluff]

It's not your platform not your choice.

[tranquil cove]

we're not debating if i own steam are we?

[dusk bluff]

They should give me 1 free game a year since I give them so much money but that ain't happening.

[tranquil cove]

or i am master of universe and it bends to my will

we're talking about my preferences

[dusk bluff]

He-man is that you?

[daring oasis]

you can refund it and then buy it as a gift 😄

[dusk bluff]

Contact steam support and complain

[tranquil cove]

conversation started with "i think steam should do this" and was focused on "if they did i'd like them better than epic games - they'd win me over as the best game launcher"

so yeah i don't have to think they are the best game launcher

they are about tied with epic games, for me personally

[daring oasis]

honestly, if you want to get any traction on your ideas you should put them in a neatly formatted long text and post them in the main Steam forums to see what others think about them there. I don't think here is the real audience you are looking for

[tranquil cove]

well toast is right even if there was an audience that liked this idea steam has no incentive to do this.

only epic games gives away free games 😄

(even though it's not nearly the same thing imo)

most people i told about this gifting thing have liked the idea

[finite saffron]

EGS also doesn't really give them away, they're buying them on your behalf. For a low cost, but still. They're generally paying devs for permission to do that, or making a deal with the dev in some way.

[daring oasis]

ofc they like it, it saves them money 😄

[finite saffron]

The free game thing EGS does is mostly for marketing/getting new users more than anything. It's a good (but expensive) strategy

[daring oasis]

And they have a licensed engine to pay for the lost revenue and compensate for the store being in the red

[tepid wadi]

I wonder if games can get discounts for using Unreal Engine if they sign exclusivity contracts with EGS 🤔

[quaint cosmos]

if not, they'll be free in a few years.

[vague galleon]

WITCH!

[tepid wadi]

I don't think I've got any games in my list that I bought that I haven't played. Gifts though? There's a few in there for sure.

[vague galleon]

i have mearly 1400 games after like 15 yeare.

no way in hell im playing them all.

[tranquil cove]

i think deus ex was gifted to me, and i don't think i'll play it lol

re-gifting

[tepid wadi]

Depending on which one it is, some of them are really good.

The newer ones were quite fun

[vague galleon]

some games were insanely cheap and mildly interesting so i bought them just to hike up my numbers.

[tranquil cove]

i can't remember if you accept a steam gift can you accept it and keep it as a gift voucher?

[vague galleon]

now looking back. eh. i do regret some purchases.

[tranquil cove]

or once you accept it becomes a game?

[misty arch]

everyones game lists should be massive and have tons of games youve never played with how all the game hosting sites give games away for free almost on a weekly basis.

[vague galleon]

ive accepted and returned a game once before. cause i wanted the specisl edition. game sucked though.

[tranquil cove]

somtimes you buy like game 1 and 2 with dlc because its in a 75% off deal for 30$ instead of 75$

like might be how i got bioshock

[vague galleon]

indeed.

[tranquil cove]

82 minutes, nothing, nothing, nothing, 15.4 hours

thats my bioshock experience

i think bioshock is a good game i'd enjoy, but at this point i'd also gift it.

cause like i don't have time lol

i basically might keep infinite - since its possible if steam ever did a gift policy 15 hours would be too much, even though i think that barely touches the game content.

[lilac adder]

https://store.steampowered.com/app/1259420/Days_Gone/

Steam

Days Gone

Days Gone is an open-world action-adventure game set in a harsh wilderness two years after a devastating global pandemic.

Price

$49.99

Recommendations

56727

▶ Play video

anyone play. looks like a great game....thining about it

[misty arch]

3 year old game. I would wait for a steam sale before paying 49 for it.

[dusk bluff]

Oh that's a crime to not play them!

Yeah wtf how is it still 50$

I mean it is a good game but cmon

[tranquil cove]

it must have high sale like 60% off at least

oh i thought you meant bioshock

[dusk bluff]

Not sure if bioshock holds up now tbh

The multiplayer was a blast too

[lilac adder]

Lol. Low key ghost of tsushima asking for 50+

I'll give it a try. I always wanted a red dead redemption without the country stuff

[dusk bluff]

I'm confused by this statement. I wanted a game about Western but with out the Western aspect lol

[timber prism]

Samurai Western!

Days Gone is a good game

If you have a PS5 its free

[lilac adder]

I wanted the quality but without western setting

[dusk bluff]

Who doesn't like a game about rootin tootin point and shootin?

[dusk bluff]

??? Like you want a quality open world game?

[timber prism]

Sounds like it yea!

[lilac adder]

Yes. I've played many since then. I'm just meh about missing out on red dead cuz of the setting

[dusk bluff]

Oh just say that then lol

That's like I want a racing game without racing!

[lilac adder]

Lol I'm tired 😅 8 thought I did

[tepid wadi]

I'm with you, tbh. Westerns aren't my favorite setting.

[timber prism]

I understood you the first time lmao

[lilac adder]

Well it's more.. I want a quality 3rd person shooter... That isn't western.

Days gone seems to be that

[timber prism]

Oh. Well.... GoT is NOT that

[dusk bluff]

Ohh you want a modern 3rd person open world?

[timber prism]

Unless you want just use a bow the whole game

Which you can xd

[lilac adder]

Yes an unrelated comparison... Oops

[dusk bluff]

I mean GTA 5 single player is quite good. Atleast I thought it was.

[timber prism]

Vice City!

[dusk bluff]

Yeah vice is amazing

[lilac adder]

Gta 5 is great.

[timber prism]

I do recommend Days Gone tho

My only complaint is it killed my PC xd

[dusk bluff]

I just have a special place in my heart for RDR since I grew up playing red dead revolver and my grandpa watched a tons of western shows when I was over

[timber prism]

Yeah. I personally love RDR2

[lilac adder]

Ya Def will pay & play. Probably after I'm done with my kenshi obsession

[timber prism]

But I can totally understand why people don't like it

My friend found it extremely boring

Meanwhile I have double digit hours playing poker in it Xd

[dusk bluff]

My buddy loved rdr 1 but thought 2 looked stupid so he didn't play. He was mad they spent time making the horses poop lol

[lilac adder]

It's a tough setting to sell I feel. I'm happy it did so well

[timber prism]

I also love westerns tho especially fast draw related stuff

[lilac adder]

Shooters & nonhumaniond go hand in hand sales wise... So for anything outside of that.. Def an uphill battle

[dusk bluff]

Yesss. I am not a huge fan of modern fps

Dead eye was done really well. It wasn't a super power it just made it feel like you were God level at gun slinging

[timber prism]

@lilac adder did you play Last of Us?

Not exactly open world but it was pretty fun

[lilac adder]

I heard. Am on the fence about it and it's ....not exactly open worldness.

[timber prism]

Yeah. I def recommend GoT tho

I'm doing my third playthrough atm

And its so good

[lilac adder]

for sure. next games i buy are GoT & Days gone. played ghost on my ps5 but never quite got around to beating it as my ps5 for gaming is inconvienet

now that it's on pc. i'm on it!!

[rocky valve]

They wanted to make a real world but lots of gamers just want to escape from that.

[prime burrow]

i been playin star citizen a lot lately

[timber prism]

did they improve enemy ai for the fps portion yet?

[prime burrow]

a tad bit, ai still a tiny bit buggy but this latest patch has made the game so much smoother and less laggy

[timber prism]

nice!

[reef bobcat]

you telling me Star Citizen is playable now?

I don't believe you!

[dusk bluff]

Give it a few more years and another billion

Squad 42 still not out though lol

[reef bobcat]

agreed

[prime burrow]

Ye gonna be another decade probably before it's "ready" for full release

But I'm enjoying mining atm, hopefully the base buildings added soon they teased

[misty arch]

https://www.pcgamer.com/gaming-industry/events-conferences/videogame-summer-showcase-schedule-2024/

[misty arch]

start saving up your pennies. 2 sales coming up in Steam
May 27 - Jun 3, 2024: Open World Survival Crafting Fest
Jun 27 - Jul 11, 2024: Steam Summer Sale

[candid quiver]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1046920062923182121/1242567500479070298/Tower_2024.05.21_-_21.59.30.05.mp4?ex=664fa029&is=664e4ea9&hm=c1a072f46a621880ecad7d3dba9483c228b4323c41ecbaf3e0f87555bdd5cf3a&

From my current buildproject in Tower Unite ^^

[tulip torrent]

eso is love, eso is life

https://tenor.com/view/eso-gif-2684542028678316809

Portal Knights

[reef bobcat]

I really wish there was a Skyrim mod for that Breton Knight armor, that looks sick...

[grave glen]

hi there. Are there any Russians here? If you have one, write me a private message.

[short sail]

#1195389948069675009 here you might find them.
Or on the other Discord servers #language-servers

[dusk bluff]

I do not have any Russians, I think slavery has been abolished in most countries. 😂

[tranquil cove]

technically, ukrainians have some russians 😄

300,000 running around there, and some captive lol

i go where the joke takes me!

oh why vermintide, why everytime there's an update it's of the whole game

[vague galleon]

most. not all. and even those still have them.

[misty arch]

https://youtu.be/K-aLqR4JO6U?si=yEm_toYXyCUUDFgA

[misty arch]

https://youtu.be/yGly_YNyEDY?si=oMMDrVudrAZOXK5x

[tepid wadi]

Another survival game with colony sim mechanics added. We're starting to see a lot of them. Interested to see if it is built in in a more seamless way than Bellwright or Soulmask

[tranquil cove]

i want survival terraforming

but somewhat realistic

not total recall 1990, 5 seconds blue sky

all i've seen is planet crafter

https://store.steampowered.com/app/1284190/The_Planet_Crafter/

Steam

The Planet Crafter

Embark on a chill experience alone or with up to 10+ friends in online co-op. Your mission is to survive on a hostile planet and turn a barren land into a lush paradize. Terraforming is the only way!You are sent on a hostile planet with one mission: Make it habitable for Humans. You'll have to survive, collect resources, build your base, produce...

Price

$23.99

Recommendations

32212

▶ Play video

but it's not realistic enough

i want like 1000 hours, and 10% of the planet has domed forests only or something, and you need to do more than just place a machine down and power it

you need to do exploration related things, to specific parts of the planet maybe

and other things get unlocked as you terraform

maybe part of terraforming is making the molten core of the planet active again

or changing the rotation speed

melting the ice caps

there's surviving mars but terraforming is more of an after thought

[tepid wadi]

Yeah I think the problem you'll run into is that most people aren't looking for something that's that slow of a burn. With a more realistic terraforming option you probably wouldn't even actually want to be on the planet for the first major stages

[tranquil cove]

yeah i mean realistic doesn't mean complex

i don't want factorio

[tepid wadi]

I could see a survival game set in mid-terraform, like phase 1 is complete and now it's about spreading life and ensuring that the biodiversity functions, etc.

[tranquil cove]

but i want an experience that incorporates exploration as much as survival

beyond gathering resources

in most survival games exploration is to gather resources

[tepid wadi]

And so your exploration is about cataloguing the changes to the planet, making adjustments and releasing new flora/fauna, etc

[tranquil cove]

instead i want it part of the terraforming process

[tranquil cove]

reminds me of spore

a little bit

the biodiversity part, would love a new spore game

or that old game called E.V.E

[tepid wadi]

Yeah, a bit. That could even be part of it where you have to genetically modify the animals and plants you're releasing so that they thrive in the alien soil/atmosphere

[tranquil cove]

a new survival type spore game would be epic

since technology has come a long way in gaming now

[tepid wadi]

So you explore to learn about the changes you'll need to do, go back to your base, make those changes, and find the ways to release those things into the environment

It'd be like spore, but you're more of a steward than a participant

I could see it being pretty cool

[tranquil cove]

i'm more against terraforming as make a machine, and place it down and then spam 50 of them and planet changes 10%

this is too quick and easy basically

[tepid wadi]

Especially if you set things up with a bit more idle gameplay so you can zoom out and just kinda watch stuff happen on your second monitor while you work or whatever

[tranquil cove]

if we have to make a machine, i want it to be like i need to find or figure out 10 blueprints to build it at least - like parts of the machine.

[tepid wadi]

And then when you have "events" like a colony builder, it creates missions for you to dynamically go into the world and find things + make changes.

Like "we're seeing a dieoff of <species> and aren't sure why. You need to go investigate and make biometric changes to keep things moving in the right way"

[candid quiver]

I wouldnt like automation-mechanics for Enshrouded at all, doesnt fit the theme, tone and gameplay style imo.

[tepid wadi]

So you go explore, diagnose, make changes, and see how they work

Oh yeah, automation in Enshrouded would only work if it came with villagers who do the automation for you. Like you can send them out to mine clay or something.

[tranquil cove]

what would be cool in a terraform game

is we get parts to machines only

and we have to build our own machines to do the functions we want

this would be cooler

somewhat like in spore when you build a species, but here i have to design a machine based on the parts i unlocked, to tap power from thermal vents, and then release a certain gas or whatever.

more minecrafty

[candid quiver]

Id not like that either to be honest, it breaks the feel and pacing of how it works in enshrouded and steers the manual effort into other-kind-of-game territory to me.

[tepid wadi]

Maybe mix it with a bit of kerbal space program so the physics and stuff are close to real science.

[candid quiver]

For other types of games, its diff.

[tranquil cove]

i like kerbal, when i figured out how to escape orbit, and go to moon and land, it was really rewarding

all those youtube tutorials paid off lol

[tepid wadi]

Yeah, I mostly agree. I think a survival game needs to be very intentional how they introduce those mechanics or it really messes with the flow. That's why Bellwright didn't stick with me, and why I'm worried Soulmask and Aska are going to have the same problem.

I've been spending a lot of time thinking about it, because I really want to see colony mechanics in a survival game, but I want them done right and it's not trivial.

[tranquil cove]

but i really want a type of terraform game where for example i need to build a drill machine to drill to the center of the planet, and protect it against the pressure and extreme temperatures, and then use something to get a reaction in the core going, or build some type of huge generators there - where i design the machine myself.

and then the planet is volcanically active again, and warms up this way - which in turn changes the surface of the planet, adding new challenges, but also unlocking new ways to terraform it because for example ice melts and you can access new resources or areas.

[candid quiver]

I play enshrouded as 'sole hero out exploring and struggling to make it', and manual gathering is part to that. Npc crafting stations aside. Botw-feels, and yeah no colony or resource automation i hope.

[tranquil cove]

way better than just placing drills down? to heat up the planet? which is what planet crafter has

my idea is a whole process, a whole part of gameplay, a whole game in itself - and it would just be one step in the process.

don't get me wrong i think planet crafter is great, and one of the few games i see doing terraforming

[tepid wadi]

Yeah definitely should be built into the lore.

[tepid wadi]

Yeah, I think I see what you mean. You want terraforming start to finish, but like Spore you want the gameplay to substantially change for each phase of it. Like early phases are adapting the atmosphere, which has certain gameplay elements and challenges like scanning for where you should put your machines, designing them to fit the specific purpose, etc. Then in the next phases, you're bringing life in and you have to do genetic modification so it has the ability to survive on the planet, which involves finding suitable genesis locations, getting specimens set up and kicking off the ecology.

[candid quiver]

There is also an inherent satisfaction me this way, part of why i like this game; I usually tuck the npcs away in our homebase, i head out and explore deep and wide and see how much resources and loot i manage to carry home.
this feels good to me, instead of them working and i come home to "production lines" and generated resources, taking away parts of the loop i'd be doing manually

[tranquil cove]

yeah planet crafter actually has some of the terrain change ideas btw, but it doesn't have terraforming through deeper mechanics, mostly just placing ready build prefab technologies down and powering them

but for example in planet crafter when the planet is warm enough, ice does melt

and new resources/areas are unlocked

[misty arch]

Planet Crafter also has procedural wrecks that you can warp to now.

and added in mammals

Have you also looked at Foundry?

[tranquil cove]

oh yeah i saw foundry

its on wishlist

but foundry is more like 3d factorio

might drive me insane lol

BUT if it has snap to placement less so

i didn't like i couldn't evenly place things in satisfactory

[misty arch]

i believe it has both

https://youtu.be/cS22JKUVrzU?si=cyu18ZXnfzaQmc6a

[reef bobcat]

Definitely interested in this early access game coming out soon
https://youtu.be/0gFj0FXyg3c?si=iAMueYOLkZDFif73

[tranquil cove]

calling a game the next anything opens comparisons and also removes identity from a game 😦

anyone who absolutely loves valheim will find the game lacking lol

anyone who dislikes valheim will not like this game if it's too similar lol

also really no game can be the next valheim

valheim is defined by it's unique art style and lore more than anything else, so nothing is truly next anything unless it copies those things. you can copy game mechanics if you want but it doesn't make the game the next valheim, it just means it's the next game using game mechanics people might enjoy.

and really in valheim the only game mechanic i identify with valheim is the structural building mechanics

Valheim is anti NPC mostly for example, and aska would need enshrouded level terraforming

without good terraforming (with a hoe etc) it's a city simulator not a building game

would also need block by block building, and not really seeing that, if it's wall placement, it's already demoted for me

i don't like placing full walls for some reason

yeah not my style of game, the fact this guy said he played 10 hours and he has 20+ buildings already in a city? it's all prefabs? basically valheim is even the complete wrong comparison then

you want to say this game is the next banished, or the next manor lord

[tepid wadi]

Yeah, prefabs definitely make building a lot less satisfying.

[tranquil cove]

city building concepts are neat

but i wouldn't have included prefabs at all

if i want i can also make a city in valheim

the lacking mechanic in valheim is 1 thing

[tepid wadi]

Well, I think prefabs just make it more on the "city builder" side than the "survival game" side, to me.

[tranquil cove]

which is the ability to build a house, and then blueprint it

[tepid wadi]

Not necessarily bad, but a different type of game

[tranquil cove]

so then you can fast build it elsewhere

if this game wanted to be the next valheim they want to improve on valheim mechanics like that

not do totally different things that other games did... lots of games have wall placement, and prefabs, but valheim less so

except for the wood wall in valheim which is typically very short since it's shorter than the character or about same size, and that doesn't qualify it as a wall for me

[tepid wadi]

Eh, I think a lot of content creators think "It's a viking game. What's a good viking game people like? Valheim." and they just don't think much beyond that.

[tranquil cove]

the next viking game would be good title

lol

[tepid wadi]

Yeah, but people get more excited (and frustrated, which drives high engagement) by direct comparisons

[tranquil cove]

i really liked this game

in terms of getting me into viking spirit/mood

https://store.steampowered.com/app/445190/Expeditions_Viking/

Steam

Expeditions: Viking

Get ready for an adventure in history! Logic Artists, the makers of Expeditions: Conquistador, are pleased to bring you Expeditions: Viking.Prepare for a grand adventure As the newly appointed chieftain of a modest Viking clan, you’ll have a village of your very own. But to carve your name into the runestones of history you’ll need great strengt...

Price

$29.99

Recommendations

2972

Metacritic

74

▶ Play video

but it has a decently high learning curve for the combat and is difficult

only play on EASY

oh this game had beautiful music i think

[reef bobcat]

Yes I agree about the title of the video ( should have posted a different one ) only reason why I posted this video is because it shows the gameplay I never go off the trailer footage when getting excited for something.

I'm also more so intrigued in the (palworld) concept how you have npc/villagers to "command" etc

I never could get into palworld couldn't get past the "Pokémon with guns" but definitely interested in how the game worked personally just needed a reskin

[tepid wadi]

You could check out Bellwright too. Feels like a very similar game with slightly different themes.

I talked about this at length a while ago, it feels like we're seeing a lot of VERY similar "survival game with colony sim mechanics added in" right now. Bellwright, Soulmask, Aska, Palworld.

[tranquil cove]

same, i need gameplay videos

was foundry linked in here before? foundry is interesting. https://store.steampowered.com/app/983870/FOUNDRY/

Steam

FOUNDRY

FOUNDRY is a first-person (first-robot?) factory builder with complete creative freedom set in a procedurally generated and infinite voxel world.Land on an unexplored planet and design a giant automated robot production facility under the watchful direction of your AI friend, Carl.Progress from manual resource extraction to a fully automated and...

Price

$29.99

Recommendations

1124

▶ Play video

[misty arch]

should be getting tons of those next week during the Open World Survival Crafting sale in Steam

[tranquil cove]

oh nice

[reef bobcat]

Survival games in general are popping off in the gaming industry

[tepid wadi]

Yeah, I'm a little concerned about how similar a lot of these recent ones are. I'm glad Enshrouded differentiates itself from the others

[tranquil cove]

imo planet crafter and foundry have unique elements

[reef bobcat]

Enshrouded takes the crown when it comes to the building no other game comes close

[tranquil cove]

planet crafter just from terraform, foundry just because it adds snapping and satisfactory didnt lol which is enough of a win for me lol

i need snap grid building MUST have symmetry

enshrouded has the best terraforming i've seen in a game

valheim is still more artsy but maybe when enshrouded adds diagnols or circles?

[tepid wadi]

I think the stability mechanics in Valheim give a very different feel while building. Sometimes I like that more, sometimes I like Enshrouded's more.

[tranquil cove]

if valheim had enshroudeds terraform ease, it would be a really good building game, and maybe if the structure system was even more realistic

i think even some mods improve terraforming in valheim, imo they need to incorporate that into the base game

but even the mods not as smooth results as enshrouded

[reef bobcat]

Yes to this but they also need to upgrade the back end of things like networking and such you build too much you lag it's unplayable and when it say "too much" it's not alot at all LOL

[tranquil cove]

yep

[reef bobcat]

Also relates to how the game runs off "instances"

Puts a cap X amount

[tranquil cove]

and when i say terraforming, i mean just the ability to make perfectly flat ground, range of hoe, the ability to smoothen terrain/create perfect slopes, the ability to add more decorative nature... basic stuff, valheim can still never truly have caves/digging, and it can't have it that when you dig a hole for a basement to a home, that the ground is perfectly flush with the wall, there is always a jagged gash. whereas in enshrouded the distance between a wall in the ground, and the ground is very close.

plus valheim having it's depth and height limits on the ground

would basically need a new engine to fix all of this i think

but they have some mods that improve things a lot

[misty arch]

that is because Enshrouded took the 2 most common building types in games and combined them. Making it the best option.

[tepid wadi]

Yeah, not needing to place individual voxels for each wall really bypasses the annoyance that would be created by "minecraft but with smaller voxels"

[tranquil cove]

yeah as long as i have a block option i don't mind walls

because then it's apparrent that wall placement is just a bigger block option

but when all you have are walls, it's just prefabs

valheims wood walls are small enough that they are basically still blocks

because i build 5 high

and stone walls are blocks, have to stack 5 to get 5 high, with wood walls, i need to stack 2 + a half wall

the worst thing about valheim are the stairs

because they don't have 45 degree angle stairs and they ruined the custom 45 degree angle stair building with an update that ruins it

so stairs take up a lot of real estate when you are building rooms 5 high

and they don't have grapple hooks, or ladders like enshrouded

their circular stairs, are worse than custom ones i could build

but custom spiral stairs take too long to build to be worth it lol

i definitely am i annoyed by alot of valheim building... i didn't check out their ashland building stuff, but unless it includes better stairs it's probably just cosmetic

[misty arch]

you can do a lot with prefabs, One prefab missing from Enshrouded that would make their build system perfect is wedge floor pieces.

This would allow easy circle buildings

[tranquil cove]

yeah i like prefab pieces, but i guess i'm just agreeing with you about enshrouded combining two building methods, prefabs and smaller blocks... so basically i like having tons of options, and this allows for more freedom/customization.

[tranquil cove]

what were you saying about steams sale? survival crafting? how do you know this? got a link?

debating if i want to buy foundry now or wait for that sale

lol

[tepid wadi]

I think the survival craft sale is next week

[misty arch]

next week - May 27 - Jun 3, 2024: Open World Survival Crafting Fest
https://www.pcgamer.com/steam-sale-dates/

the big one, the Summer sale starts at the end of June on the 27th

[vague galleon]

Man, was it here where devs were talking about how crazy it is to make functioning doors? And here freaking oblivion has working closet doors. wtf. XD

[timber prism]

https://youtu.be/cS22JKUVrzU?si=Wi4EvALBJajJlc4L

3 Player COOP HYPE

[vague galleon]

COOP!!!!

[tepid wadi]

Yeah, that looks like it's gonna be awesome

[tranquil cove]

https://youtu.be/arFtIiUBga4

the game that is a chore lol

actually perfect example of why i stopped playing the game after 10 minutes of this

didn't like the free placement of everything, and then it being ugly, and i must have subconsciously realized that fixing a mess i created is a chore, so i quit the game and complained it has no snap grid. 😆

it is a good game.. would be a game i could endure if it had a snap grid

yeah

another reason i can't get into factorio

i do this just for aesthetics, nevermind efficiency lol

learning by experience is basically wasting time because my brain doesn't understand the game yet and only has 10% of technologies unlocked - and lets face it even IF i understood the game, i need a wiki to remember, and smarter people found best ways to do things... re-doing something 10 times, to only get to 80% of someone elses efficiency/design isn't fun.

it's like trying to get space or make a plane in kerbal space program with only 20% of the blocks unlocked makes it a lot harder

[tranquil cove]

steam offer

[misty arch]

free to own
https://store.steampowered.com/app/489630/Warhammer_40000_Gladius__Relics_of_War/

Steam

Warhammer 40,000: Gladius - Relics of War

Gladius Prime was known to Imperial scholars as a planet of archeological interest. During its colonization ancient relics were found, revealing hints of a shrouded past. But it was more than relics. Something awakened, an unspeakable horror from an ancient past, and the citizens of Gladius found themselves trapped in a terrible war for survival...

Price

$3.99

Recommendations

6615

Metacritic

71

▶ Play video

[tranquil cove]

apparently dragon age inquisition was free and i missed it.

even though i don't like dragon age, i'll take a free $50

lol

[timber prism]

Yes!!!!

[tranquil cove]

planet coaster was also 95% off, so it was $2 and i missed it

tobruk dropping the ball

(though i already own planet coaster and it's one of the games i'd gift away for free)

just wasn't as good as i remember roller coaster tycoon being

i think there was specifically some building thing that really bothered me

like something really obvious and quality of life related

[tranquil cove]

live out your fantasy job, latest survival game https://store.steampowered.com/app/855740/Bum_Simulator/

Steam

Bum Simulator

Bum Simulator is a sandbox game bursting with inappropriate humor and memorable characters. Apart from day-to-day survival, you can enjoy many unique features:You can throw pigeons at people and watch as the panic ensues. Not fun enough? Upgrade your birds with explosives and let chaos reign. Still not satisfied? Wait until you see the fully upg...

Price

$5.39

Recommendations

3060

▶ Play video

[tranquil cove]

i like how their selling point, the thing they make sure to let everyone know, is that if it's not fun being a bum you can abuse animals by exploding them and harming human npcs, violence is fun 😆

[tulip torrent]

My bud got me Satisfactory, I tried it out...
Couldn't get into it, maybe it's cause I do conveyor belt job and it's like I'm back to work again with the game lmfao.
Bud even made my base better

[misty arch]

demo coming this week as part of Open World Survival Crafting Fest and game releasing later this year
https://youtu.be/E0pNz9H6aRo?si=06KdcInnQN9vcrGP

[tranquil cove]

oh yeah i saw this game awhile ago, year+ or more

im just waiting until monday so i can get foundry and planet crafter

waiting for the current sale to end 😭

[tranquil cove]

ill take your tiny glade and raise you a waterworld town builder https://store.steampowered.com/app/1291340/Townscaper/ 60% off currently

https://youtu.be/hqq25n6cQqo?t=2

https://youtu.be/V5mgjCFpS8E?t=27

[tulip torrent]

lf new game

[misty arch]

just need to wait a couple of hours. Then Steams Open World Survival Crafting Fest begins. Should have tons of new games and demos of upcoming ones.

[shell iron]

I don't know what you've played so far, but my i can recommand "V Rising" for example or "Valheim", "Mount & Blade II: Bannerlord", "Sons of the Forest", "Vampire Survivors", "MMORPG Tycoon 2", "Rimworld", "Palworld". I just don't know your preferences, so i give you a summary of some funny games I played in the last Years. ^^

Ah, and "Greed Fall" was pretty good too, in my opinion.

[lilac adder]

kenshi, days gone, ghost of tushumia, valheim, outwards, elden ring too tho i'm a seasonal fan of souls like games...these perfect pc games imo. the rest you mentioned are honarable

[vague galleon]

outwards was okayish.

[tranquil cove]

ewww im still seeing old sale

looks like they run consecutive sales

may 30th so all im seeing is warhammer lol

i see nothing to indicate open world survival sale 🤔

oh

10am pacfic time

what a lame time, it's been may 27th for 12 hours

so 1pm est my time

[vocal urchin]

i love Planet crafter (survival planet terraforming and crafting)

[misty arch]

ya, steam doesnt switch out sales until noon central time.

speaking of Planet Crafter. It got an update today.
https://youtu.be/DdMGml-thJg?si=6jKdloCDPnVFnF-H

[vocal urchin]

😮

[tranquil cove]

cool so when i buy the game in 1 hour i can dive right in

[misty arch]

yep, and bring a friend. it is co-op playable now

[tranquil cove]

hopefully they have a sale

some ea's dont sale lol

so i waited 3 days for nothing

[misty arch]

give it 30 min for the sale to begin. That one usually goes on sale for this type of sale.

[tranquil cove]

well theirs foundry i want to get and try also

typically i close out of similar games though, i returned factorio and the no snap in satisfactory turned me off big time (but i kept satisfactory)

foundry has snap though and might not be as ocd triggering as factorio

but i think there's a chance they wont do a sale maybe

because of the genre of game, factory builder? i feel like these genre games have good sales less often

at most 20% off, but usually no sale at all

[timber prism]

@dusk bluff Can't remember or not.. were you the one who plays/played gacha games?

[vocal urchin]

btw, planet coaster on steam just for 1,89€ now in sale

[tranquil cove]

i didn't like planet coaster

played 2 hours, and then uninstalled lol

i didn't return it though, i think i got it on sale for $5 or something so i didn't care

but i was a big fan of roller coaster tycoon 2 or 3? and i think planet coaster failed with UI and game mechanics or something, i think i was annoyed by creating paths? i can't remember, something really bad that a game like roller coaster tycoon understood, and 20 years later the 'successor' game couldn't even compete or understand that much still.

i didn't write a negative review or any review

so i can't remember what it was.. lol

something crappy though, i just remember being pissed

1. Theres no grid to build on unless youre making roads.. · 2. You CANT Snap pieces together as youre building to make them accurate, and build ...

maybe it's this LOL

i don't understand the fascination with no grid, i bet the engine uses a grid they just hide it from the player

3. You CANNOT select multiple items/art pieces/etc.. and duplicate them. You have to make a blueprint of it? WHY NOT? Why can't you just Select.. and dupe. Why does this game make everything harder than it needs to be?
   You legit.. cannot.. copy and paste. One of the most basic tools in any creation game.

OH yeah, yeah this guys post is probably why i was furious when i tried planet coaster

https://steamcommunity.com/app/493340/discussions/0/142260718945464714/?l=bulgarian&ctp=2

basically everything that made RCT3 fun is not in planet coaster

if i knew what i know now i wouldn't buy planet coaster for even 2$

unless they fixed all these problems from 5 years ago or whenever i played it

I don't even remember the roads having a grid system, oh that's right the roads probably showed a grid?

but you can't snap still, so you have to manually align the road to the grid lol

the game would drive me insane if i tried to play it

[vocal urchin]

😮

also i got the planet zoo as a gift, but haven't play it yet

[tranquil cove]

it's now 1:01PM they are late

never played planet zoo

but they seem like the type of game devs to just continue with their base game design and not bother to fix anything

thinking they know best and their design is amazing

reminds me of the crew developers

Ubisoft

LOL

they are the new ubisoft

[misty arch]

sales have started. planet crafter is now 16.79 instead of 23.99

there we go
https://store.steampowered.com/category/open_world_survival_craft

[tranquil cove]

is it visible on steam store page?

i don't see it yet lol

canada is exempt

lol what the hell steam, i wonder if the sale is applied but not visible? 😅

[misty arch]

restart it

[tranquil cove]

oh okay it worked ty

foundry gets no sale lol

i guess it's not survival

yeah

no survival tag

[misty arch]

2 to watch are ASKA, which just got a demo, and Soulmask. That one releases on the 31st.

[tranquil cove]

grounded has no sale

[misty arch]

if it fits this genre and has no sale. I am willing to bet they will be on sale for the big Summer Sale which starts mid way through june. So pretty much right after this one ends or shortly after.

[tranquil cove]

and vrising no sale

they both kinda expensive games i think

[misty arch]

ya, im guessing those are all going to wait for the summer sale

so just a couple of more weeks

[tranquil cove]

astroneer is 60% off

[misty arch]

that is a good deal, such a fun game

just dont do what i did and get stuck under ground for 3 hours

Valheim is $10 for anyone who has been holding out for it.

[vocal urchin]

no mans sky for 30€

[tranquil cove]

10$ is good deal for valheim

[vocal urchin]

icarus is not bad

oh and astroneer, peaceful space crafting, i've quite enjoyed it

[tranquil cove]

already foundry is annoying me 😄

it's like people don't play their own games to understand how a new player would be like wtf is this

[reef bobcat]

Yup got my eyes on ASKA can't wait to try early access next month

Soul mask needs some UI work amongst other things. Wasn't too eye pleasing

[tepid wadi]

Yeah, it also felt like there was just a ton going on and you didn't really... interact with it? I dunno

[misty arch]

https://youtu.be/POmdShSFi3c?si=XbkPPiGeDWj64bNS

https://youtu.be/-ROqZ0gGJ_A?si=GN6dweYwsJ3_DDaF

[tranquil cove]

aska seems really generic to me somehow

like nothing i've seen gets across a strong story

or interesting world building

seemed more like they slapped some mechanics together, took nordic theme to play off peoples interest in that and called it a game

correct me if i'm mistaken, since i didn't play it

[tepid wadi]

I'm going to give it a shot, but I'm also trying really hard to not wax poetic any more about the similarities of recent survival games and their colony sim additions.

[reef bobcat]

I do agree with how there's alot of similar mechanics and the reskin slap on etc ( palworld/valheim ) literally what it is with 3rd person view. I'm definitely giving it a shot because I love both valheim and enshrouded but hate palworld because of the theme of it but like the idea behind it just wasn't my style with Pokémon

I've been learning to try out new survival games.. currently beating v rising almost done having a blast. It's my first time playing a top down game too definitely a different style gaming but enjoyable

[dusk bluff]

used too yea

[tulip torrent]

I'm playing starfield kinda digging it so far tbh

[misty arch]

https://i.imgur.com/RYmh2aw.png

E3 is dead but Fests are still happening this Summer. Here is the list and the first of them starts next week,
https://www.gameinformer.com/2024/05/08/the-2024-summer-gaming-showcase-schedule

[shy oasis]

https://store.steampowered.com/app/1621690/Core_Keeper/

Steam

Core Keeper

Awaken as an explorer in a long-forgotten cavern teeming with untold secrets. In this award-winning, 1-8 player mining sandbox adventure, your choices shape an epic journey. Harvest relics and resources, craft advanced tools, build your base, and explore a dynamically evolving world waiting to be unearthed.Level up your skills, defeat legendary ...

Price

$9.59

Recommendations

24840

▶ Play video

@compact cobalt on sale too

What a steal

[compact cobalt]

You know, mining and sandbox does sound pretty neat

[shy oasis]

For 10€ bucks it’s not a bad game to get

[tepid wadi]

I remember core keeper being pretty fun when it came out originally, I bet it'd be even better now.

[shy oasis]

There have been a few updates
Not sure when you stopped
And it’s going into full release later this year

Great game for the switch too

[tepid wadi]

I didn't even finish the originally released content because the people I was playing with go busy

[compact cobalt]

Yeah, 10 bucks is only like 1.3 Döners today. Pretty cheap

Probably going to add it to my backlog.. that makes 16 for you then I suppose

[shy oasis]

You should give it a try again!

[shy oasis]

Glad to be of service and recommend good games

[tranquil cove]

core keeper is great

great dev team, i've talked to a few with them, they talk with their community sometimes

good mods, friendly community, and good game, had good updates too

i dislike the pet RNG but what can you do 😄 can't please everyone, especially me, all the time 😛

basically pets have like a 0.25 percent chance of 1% to get the 5 skills you want them to have when they hatch.

which means you will be farming 400+ eggs per a pet

and eggs drop from mobs/crates different things, some are easier to farm than others, if you build a mob farm etc.

i would have preferred a less RNG based pet system for the skills, and then introduced RNG for the pet colours - with more range on the pet colours. so maybe you'd farm a bit to get the colour combination pets you want, but you had more control over the pet skills.

anyway, it's still EA - maybe they'll revisit pets and improve it

oh i also wanted modular chests that were placed as a ground tile, and then could be tiled over by floor, and then accessed from 1 point.

but this would change base building drastically, no more stupid chest rooms with 100 chests in them acting as decoration.

but also every single room tends to have 10+ chests in peoples bases, and imo it's annoying, a chest is not really decoration, rooms could have been more themed to their functions but instead they are all chest rooms basically.

still core keeper is must have, positive review game for me, i would buy it again, and lots of content for 12$

[dusk bluff]

The pets have different skills? I thought they were all set to one

[tranquil cove]

wow asking me to remember things is always trouble 😄

i think there are 8 skills and 9 slots

[dusk bluff]

I feel like that must have been updated since the last time I checked they didn't have any abilities besides the passives.

[tranquil cove]

i don't know if they updated that, but if they improved it already that sounds good

[dusk bluff]

I am not super worried about it since the game is really easy imo

I did like that they combined all the work benches into the highest tier one you own. That was a game changer

[tranquil cove]

i think what i wanted is for each pet to have 3 skill trees

1 skill tree is unique to that pet

second is utility, and third is damage (common to all pets)

[reef bobcat]

Any of you tried v rising

[tranquil cove]

or something like this, and you skill your pet similar to the player

and only pet colours are RNG with more variety of colour combo

[dusk bluff]

Yes it is good. Game kinda sucks as pve though as the bosses are too easy

Highly recommend playing it pvp

[tranquil cove]

i saw one streamer struggling with level 47 tristan

[dusk bluff]

Yeah they can definitely make the pet system better

[tranquil cove]

if you get hit by his fire massive damage, and at level 47 he was doing very little damage back, still doable if you don't get hit ever

[reef bobcat]

This is my first ( top down ) view game experience personally I don't have them too easy but that's just me

[dusk bluff]

Oh I just kite him around a rock and block his big attack

[tranquil cove]

yeah that works, the streamer was kind of using a tree

but couldn't 360 around the tree since there was no path

[dusk bluff]

The game has iframes that are easy to abuse and abilities that block.

Lots of abilities in the game trivialize the bosses so if you struggle seek out a new ability

[reef bobcat]

Ahh I see. Yea I'm at level 70 in my first playthrough gonna beat it over the weekend it's pve just learning/enjoying it. Gonna start a pvp playthrough afterwards eventually

Probably before the new update here

[tranquil cove]

i can't pvp, anymore, i was never amazing at it, even after years of playing ultima online, and i don't have the time for it either, but also i find competitive games change me, i become more toxic and aggressive, so i stick to coop (even then i don't really get on well with other players because i find everyone is inconsiderate - if we're playing coop and you're going to go off on your own, not say anything, and do new content without me, then why the f am i playing multiplayer coop with you? i can enjoy single player in a single player game). so yeah, the only reason i wasn't toxic in ultima online is because i had a pirate persona, and the RPing took the toxicity out of pvp for me.

[reef bobcat]

Yes I totally agree with ya. I personally don't pvp. I was huge back in the early days of BR even before that brought high blood pressure and toxic behavior

Heart was racing none stop every game

Couldn't be good 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂

[tranquil cove]

but i think pvping takes a ton of time, especially you die a lot, you need to spend hours sometimes making money and re-gearing lol and if you don't kill people often enough for their gear you're just always grinding. and i didn't like to full loot people anyway 😦

[dusk bluff]

I play pvp and just don't take it seriously

[tranquil cove]

i guess unless it's one of those spawn games, fortnite or counter strike

[dusk bluff]

Idc if I lose. Idc if someone is playing poorly. I play my game and if I don't have fun I turn it off and do something else.

[reef bobcat]

Good mindset

[tranquil cove]

yeah i'm much happier when i stopped caring what other people are doing

unless they are doing something evil or to hurt others i guess

but otherwise i try to focus on myself

[dusk bluff]

Like sure dude you wanna die 50 times and blame the team you do you.

[tranquil cove]

that never helps anyway, and you don't learn that way, so you end up in a cycle of dying and blaming others

lol

[misty arch]

https://youtu.be/5dwo7J_Vedo?si=gI2i0s_Qgaj7l7CK

[vague galleon]

THEY NEED TO STOP

[misty arch]

why?

NMS is a lot of fun now

[vague galleon]

lol its just funny.

they released the game to major dissapointment and now they wont stop updating it.

[misty arch]

smart on them. it worked. They are more popular and people love it.

[tepid wadi]

I mean that's also kinda what they needed to do when they released it half baked compared to their promises

I'm glad it's good now

[misty arch]

thats the nice thing about these guys. They realized their mistake and pushed forward and fixed and improved it all to what people wanted. They could have just left it as is like so many other games and died in about year but they didnt.

[tepid wadi]

Yeah, I'm hopipng they don't make the same mistakes again with Light No Fire. If they release it in a pretty good state, it could be an amazing game

[misty arch]

I think Light No Fire will be alright at launch. From the looks of it, its going to port over a lot of the mechanics from NMS as it is now. So easily already going to surpass NMS's launch in regards to content.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GOwGd3mW4AE4WC2?format=png&name=small

https://youtu.be/LOvJu38Ilgs?si=fNnCH-DtmdGtmLLs

https://youtu.be/3wQ4VKaRHTo?si=e4IocZEH0j8l5shj

discord has updated and has some new revamping to it.
https://www.ign.com/articles/discord-new-look-redesigned-homepage-gaming-easter-eggs

[timber prism]

Ahhh. Was curious if you were trying out WuWa

Used to seems to answer that lmao

[vague galleon]

exactly.

[misty arch]

XCOM fans get ready, no more aliens to fight. Now you are fighting Supervillains.
https://youtu.be/3wAcuNzvRgI?si=CKPAPcw5QOHMtRxS (edited)

[misty arch]

https://youtu.be/p_RcNPssGZI?si=y1XSGaKX05yFZSkT

[tranquil cove]

they need to fix base building though

needs work still, i should be able to find an A or S power hotspot easier and closer to my base without having to relocate base or do gimmicky things to extend build range, and often you establish a base and the power hotspot is even out of range of the gimmicks.

by the time a new player learns of the power hotspots, their base is already established

but looking for 10 hours for a good base spot is not my cup of tea either

since you'll ideally want like.. A hotspot, and B-A gas/mining spots nearby

it just is so rare, it will be 10 hour grind searching for these things before even building a base.

it's really dumb imo and waste of time

[timber prism]

Isn't the whole point of survival games is to locate the best spots after you make your initial starter camp?

I always assumed that was the new player experience in any game with base building. Not many stay at their starter camp the whole playthrough

[tranquil cove]

no?

in valheim you locate best spot based on aesthetic mostly, it doesn't matter if you're 10 miles from copper because of portals in the case of no portal restriction, or because if there is portal restriction you're hauling it anyway.

no mans sky has no haul for power, you place something down and pipe connect it to your base

the problem is the mechanics of the game have a limit of like 500 base building range, which you can extend to 1000

but power hotspots are 3000 apart often, so you can end up too far from one to setup advanced power to your base unless you know it's a thing

even in a game where you setup based on what's around you. in rimworld, it takes 5 minutes, you look at the map and choose a spot that hits the things you want near your base.

and again rimworld has no base limit restrictions, i can reach everything.

in foundry which i literally bought the other day

the started seed i started on had power, and the two ores all within the same vicinity, they were stretched out like a few hundred tiles? but i could build to them and access them

i don't care if power is 10,000 miles away across the planet in no mans sky

my issue is if it's too far away i can't hook it up to my base.

which forces me to look for 10 hours to find a good spot for base, and build beside that spot...

and aesthetically not all spots with the power hotspot you want look good either.

so you're sacrificing asthetics for functionality half the time

did i mention it takes 10 hours?

in what game should this take 10 hours?

i've been scouring 1 planet for 7+ hours now and still found nothing.

oh and also you don't even know it's a thing until you built you're whole base.

so whole "isn't the point to find the best spot" will only apply to veterans of no mans sky, who already built a base, discovered it's in range of zero hot spots, and were forced to build another base...

i'd get the whole argument of you should have find the spot before you build, if people actually knew all the criteria they were looking for before building...

this doesn't add gameplay, it adds chore to the game... like i don't know how else to better express how bad this is for a game

don't add 10 steps in a game to do 1 thing that should be simple basically

[timber prism]

I don't find it bad

Like I don't know any new player in a game that stays at their first starter base

[tranquil cove]

i can't find an A or S hotspot for power thats in range of a B hotspot for gas and ore.

[timber prism]

At least that isn't how any of my friends and I play

[tranquil cove]

i've searched 7+ hours, so for me it is that bad

and if i do find one, it might be in an aesthetically crappy spot

i found some really pretty places i'd like to build

but no hotspots are in range at all there.

it's really crappy imo.

[timber prism]

I'm thinking of like recent games I have played. V rising, palworld, Enshrouded

[tranquil cove]

they should have just let you get advanced power wherever you are, and make the crafting for it more hard if it's such a big deal.

[timber prism]

Valheim

[tranquil cove]

this way i only need to worry about ore hotspots

[timber prism]

I never stayed at my first base

Or have multiple bases

[tranquil cove]

i'm not staying at my first base either, which also is nowhere near a power hotspot

i'm trying to make another base

[timber prism]

Yeah

[tranquil cove]

and 7+ hours later i can't find the spot

[timber prism]

Okay

Xd

[tranquil cove]

my first base has a C gas hotspot, and C mining hotspot

lol

no power hotspots at all

not for like 2000 tile away, which is too far

[timber prism]

Good luck

It just doesn't sound like an issue to me. Its part of the exploration part

[tranquil cove]

and i can't find the criteria i want for a second base... A power hotspot, and B mining spots... it just doesn't happen that you get all 3 in vicinity

all i could do is get an A power hotspot with no mining nearby

i didn't even find an S power hotspot in 7 hours

it sounds like a big dumb issue forcing grind

for no reason

7 hours to not even start building a base is really bad.

[timber prism]

Didn't you just say you have multiple bases?

[tranquil cove]

i have 3 bases

[timber prism]

Okay. So how is that not even starting?

When you already have 3

[tranquil cove]

the 4th base

where i wanted to get all 3 things, gas, ore, and power

it's impossible to find

so instead i have 3 bases, in range of some C or B hotspots for 1 thing

meanwhile power is really the most important thing

[timber prism]

Sounds like good design to me instead of having 1 base that accomplishes everything so easily

[tranquil cove]

none of them are in range of a power hotspot 😄

[tranquil cove]

forcing game mechanics is bad game design

it reminds me of space of engineers

for the longest time they didn't want to add elevators because they were scared players would stop building custom elevators.

[timber prism]

One base that you find immediately where you never have to move sounds like bad game design to me

[tranquil cove]

so they were forcing a mechanic by not providing a mechanic basically, just trust your player base.... and let them do what they want

if they want to make 20 bases they will

also you sort of have to make more than 1 base anyway since certain minerals are on certain planets only

[timber prism]

Nah. Trusting players is dumb. Stick to your vision of a game

Most players will just find a meta and say everything else sucks

[tranquil cove]

i already don't need 3 bases in no mans sky

you know that right?

[timber prism]

Apparently you do because you can't get everything from one???

[tranquil cove]

i made them for certain ores, or access to certain planets i like just because the planet is pretty

if i want to farm credits for example i don't need a base, i just farm sentinel ships and sell 8 ships for 500 million credits

[tranquil cove]

yeah because i want what i want

right now i want a power node that is A/S in range of a B mining node and B gas node

i don't need it, NMS is a game where you can base in your capital ship

and it's probably better

[timber prism]

So something that is just what you want that isn't necessary at all that isn't easy to find is just bad game design now?

[tranquil cove]

if it's not necessary why gate it behind 7 hours of grind

it works both ways

they could have made it easier

[timber prism]

You just said its not even mandatory or essential to game progress

Its just some random want you have that isn't met easily

[tranquil cove]

the power node is convenient for a base

[timber prism]

But its not impossible to find right?

So go find it

[tranquil cove]

to find alone you can find it, but it shouldn't even be a thing

i found like 10 power nodes, and i think 2 were A rating

[tranquil cove]

you know games are meant to be enjoyable

[timber prism]

XD

[tranquil cove]

this mechanic isn't basically

[timber prism]

For you

For me it would be extremely enjoyable

[tranquil cove]

i doubt it

[timber prism]

It would be like finding mecca

[tranquil cove]

i literally will never believe you

[timber prism]

That's fine. Your brain just works like that

[tranquil cove]

no because your ego is involved in this debate now

so you'll say anything to prove me wrong

i have very little reason to believe you'd actually enjoy the mechanic

otherwise show me screenshots of your power nodes

lol

and how you took great joy setting up 1000 meter pipes to connect it to your base, and finding out you were 100 meters out of range

and then decided to make a totally new base elsewhere

this doesn't sound fun to me

[timber prism]

This conversation is going no where so I'm just gonna end it because you can't even think that someone thinks differently than you without just trying to prove you wrong

Which is actually insane.

[tranquil cove]

you know i played corekeeper where i had to search for 10 hours to find a rare item in that game, even that was more enoyable.

[timber prism]

People like different things and its okay. XD

I find it great game design that an exploration game doesn't dumb itself down

[tranquil cove]

i can't objectively see how it's a good mechanic, so i can't believe someone would subjectively like something that's bad game design

there are 10 more things exploration related that are more fun to do in no mans sky, than that.

"exploring" for power nodes, is not one of them

[timber prism]

Cool

Later.

[dusk bluff]

I took joy in reading this convo

Y'all made great reading design.

[finite saffron]

reading design lol, I'm gonna call writers that from now on. Reading designers

[tranquil cove]

my whole point was i don't care if everything was across the planet and i had to pipe it to my base for 5 hours, and it came with reduced resources, the problem with their mechanic is things are out of range... if you're 50 meters short of the range you needed, you can't connect the node to your base.

and frequently that's the case in NMS

everything is out of range. you can only basically hit 1 thing you need, otherwise gl searching 15 hours for all 3. (plus the 4th criteria to building a base - aesthetics - so 4 things to hit)

even when they are in range you need to pipe for 1 hour

because they are JUST in range, barely.

lol

[misty arch]

https://youtu.be/Wp8lT01p9CM?si=Ip3XZqGmNallQINb

[timber prism]

God forbid i don't have a great scenic view while I strip this planet of all its resources.

[tepid wadi]

Scenic view is the survival equivalent of fashion souls

[tranquil cove]

pretty sure no mans sky isn't a hardcore survival and relies heavy on scenic views as part of it's appeal

they even have a photomode

any game where i can AFK 10 hours in my base is not really a serious survival, no food/water requirements that will kill you if you afk too long not attending to them.

but also the game has like 3/4? play modes

so yeah in the play mode that's less survival someone might be looking for aesthetic base, but also it's not mutually exclusive

whole reason i built on one planet is to have an underwater base, so i can drive a submarine around and enjoy crystal blue water, and in some parts of the planets ocean that is prettier because the water is deeper than other parts

i wish NMS was as deep as stripping a planet of resources, but realistically when you build on an earth like planet, there isn't even any resources you want there for the most part. planets are too big to strip, and auto mining from an ore hotspot doesn't really strip anything, it's just generating ore in your ore miner thing when you place it on top of the hotspot. basically there's no stripping in no mans sky lol

foundry has more of a stripping planet of resources feel, given you are making huge factories and holes in the ground from your miners

[tulip torrent]

NMS is cool they brought the game back from the brink of disaster
I made an underwater base on top of those uh hmmm. The power grid thingies that use atmosphere to power up.
I like what they did with capital ships and can customize it like a portable base. Neat how random npcs board your ship free merchant's.

Emperyean Galactic survival is pretty neat game, but last i played which was prob last year it still had that early access feel.
Though the way ships work is more like minecraft build it yourself. They got blueprints you can use just gotta plop materials into the menu and wait for it to build. I slept to make the in game time go by quicker. xD Plus you can store your SV,HC on your CV {small vessels, hover crafts, capital vessel} they also have a mass mechanic so if it's too heavy and not powerful enough thrusters it won't lift. While maintaning cpu on the ship.

Oh and emperyean goes off a seed system for generating galaxies planets

Starfield is starfield. xD I haven't messed around too much with ship customization but I've set up some outposts for material production and managed to get the inner system cargo thing to work. Still fairly new but I think I'ma need more than just 8 amount of outposts to set up. Down to 2 left. It's more 'skill' based but really in this context just means you gotta level up and apply the skills to the playthru you're going for.

[tranquil cove]

NMS is good, but i still believe they could do a whole other 8-16 gig update on base building and revisit it.

they sort of left it behind and have been doing other content, it's a good game though, not saying it's a bad game, just saying how i dislike the power/ore hotspot mechanics

i've had NMS from first release on steam - and i played it back then for 50 hours, so i know how far the game has come

i have a save from 2016

and i have technologies that lost their thumbnail art

because they were removed/outdated/patched into something else

[vague galleon]

im juzt glad we finally got custom ships. ill have to go back and revisit the game.

[tepid wadi]

Yeah that's something that I've wanted from the beginning.

[vague galleon]

yup. i mean its fun to see what you come across randomly but... anyway i havent seen how indepth it is yet. lol i never even watched the trailer.
so i dont know if its just paint jobs or full on picking out your favorite pieces.
i did manage to find ome with wings engine and nose all circular but i domt know if the cockpit is optimal. needs a better paint job too.

[tranquil cove]

they just aren't that custom, you can't edit ships, you can only pre-build one, and it's very basic

and to do very basic things you need to grind out the parts by deconstructing random ships for their parts

and 80% of the parts you can get are just bad and ugly lol

so 80% of the grind is for bad ugly things lol

that you'll never use in your custom ship

the worst part of the custom ship process is the painting of the ship, not many options or freedom there either

the whole custom ship thing could use another 8 gig update 😄

i know everyone wants to love NMS for their 30 or so, 10 gig updates, but if i see a problem or if i feel something still needs work i'll call it out

and from my awareness people didn't even play NMS and experience these things yet, like ticonz was saying "he would enjoy a mechanic" not that he played the game and put 10+ hours into finding hotspots and has a base setup with one and screenshots etc.

like i spent hours grinding ships to demolish just so i can build a very basic custom ship, imo not really worth it.

you can't custom ship solars, exotics, living ships, sentinel ships, or shuttles

imo would be nice if you could do solars/shuttles

exotics, living ships, and sentinels don't make as much sense

[vague galleon]

AAAAAAAAA

[timber prism]

Yeah. I like multiple bases in games and don't complain requiring a base I want to have the best nodes and best power on my first base and on top of that require a base to be visual pleasing with scenic views because reasons.

This applies to every survival game i play not just NMS

But now its bad game design because you don't get that???

[tranquil cove]

i don't think i said it was a bad game though, just that i don't like the hotspot mechanic, and they could revisit base building with another 8 gig update to improve a lot of things

most nms threads on base building end up with the same complaints about the power systems, and also the wiring lol

and how you unlock the thing to hide wires kinda way later too.. but having to wire everything is super grindy and annoying.

planet crafter does base building way more enjoyable imo

even subnautica

[timber prism]

I never said you said it was a bad game

You stated you don't like the Hotspot mechanic and called base building bad game design

You then went conspiracy theorist and said the fact that I don't think its bad as me saying anything just to prove you wrong

[tranquil cove]

well keep in mind i've played a lot of survival games , and experienced base building in all of them... and i've played core keeper where you explore for 10 hours to maybe find a world generated scene that generates randomly, so you can find 1 item in that scene, that isn't even a complete item. i enjoyed doing this because the exploration was part of experiencing the game so it wasn't important to find the scene/item right away... plus when i want to explore i am exploring... i think my issue in NMS is that when i want to build a base, i am instead doing prequisite tasks for 10 hours before i can even start building.

like i said the main issue i have with the mechanic is that bases have a limited range to connect to hotspots... if i could put in hours to connect to a hotspot i would, it's not really the grind that bothers me, it's just the design.

[timber prism]

👍

[candid quiver]

Ive never made or used a hotspot in NMS for years, and have not at all needed one ^^

[tranquil cove]

solar farm lol

[candid quiver]

also chlorine expansion is all i need for monetary gains ^^

[tranquil cove]

yeah sorry about that, i don't really believe people easily, you yourself said it was a mechanic you would enjoy... and thinking you might enjoy it is different than experiencing it? no? and also now that i spoke 100's of lines on it, you're just less likely to run into the issue of making a base and then discovering you're out of range of a hotspot.. and experiencing your hopes getting a rise and then dashed from that etc. or trying to make a 1000u pipe and then realizing it's out of range lol

[candid quiver]

I dont really care much for basebuilding in games anymore since i started making maps on TU ^^

[misty arch]

Game events have started for the Summer. First up - Sony State of Play
https://youtu.be/Z1DQaDeywx8?si=YjdB71meKDufS-ud

https://www.ign.com/articles/god-of-war-ragnarok-pc-release-officially-confirmed-state-of-play-2024

https://youtu.be/qLHvGgZKtRE?si=zzszLXs5tyWvN9ri

[timber prism]

https://youtu.be/URG75CDX_rg?si=oCdnkwP-bpDmVuSg

[misty arch]

https://youtu.be/d0oiJJRZF4I?si=BeaoTodCU7SJEV6s

https://youtu.be/hTmjjzwSp-E?si=2IOYPrKv_FcKthsY

https://youtu.be/E3FDipd32Xs?si=HJAspc_81uhcokDi

https://youtu.be/JUUXKN7Kh9Y?si=bqU__T98987Y5vL_

https://youtu.be/wuejuiBUiZs?si=XKlJ0HxU1l5-kc04

[timber prism]

@misty arch which was your favorite?

[reef bobcat]

Who's patiently waiting for state of decay 3?👀😂

[misty arch]

Behemoth looks good. Also liked Where Winds Meet even though it has no gameplay. Did miss the little snippet of Spider-man 2 DLC announcement unfortunately

[tepid wadi]

Monster Hunter Wilds definitely looks amazing, no surprises there. Behemoth gives me big Dark Messiah vibes, which is awesome.

[timber prism]

thanks! will check out the trailers for those

[dusk bluff]

I sadly couldn't get into monster hunter. I didn't like the combat and it just didn't click for me

[misty arch]

one that didnt get a trailer but was announced is Dynasty Warriors: Origins

[tranquil cove]

free on epic games

damn epic giving me 40$ and steam nothing

[misty arch]

builders, the demo is out and here is a little overview by the developer of what you can do in the game.
https://youtu.be/fm17yiDKTzs?si=G1ZY_gL1qDvVtYtS

[tepid wadi]

Oh damn, I have hundreds of hours in Chiv2, that is an excellent game.

[vague galleon]

all for the low low cost of china stealing all yout information. 😉

[tranquil cove]

how come?

epic games? or you mean chivalry 2 launcher/publisher?

[vague galleon]

epic games. yes. they also have a history of being absolute assholes.

the big kicker for me is how they treated their customer, they guys who made PUBG

i mean. did they ever even fix their shopping cart issue?

[finite saffron]

I doubt they needed Chiv 2 to do that they probably have it all already

[vague galleon]

i mean even having the app installed is bad.

[finite saffron]

But yeah Chiv 2 is an awesome game, getting it for free is actually one of the best deals they've had in a long time

[vague galleon]

eh. id rather buy it on steam. (which i did!)

i dont care how many free games Epic gives away. theyre a bunch of assholes and i want nothing to do with them.
and i wont be shy about ot either.

[dusk bluff]

Chiv 2 was a blast.

[tranquil cove]

i mean china probably steals things if you have a cell phone, heard something about that

also discord doesn't seem like a great privacy respecting app

a program that tracks what games you're running on your computer? and keeps a log of all the text you've ever written? with no autonomy over your own text to delete it, and rate limits if you delete things too fast 😄

ALL i know is if i was in the NSA/cia and wanted to track what people are doing on their computers, i'd use the guise of a chat program/gaming app

[vague galleon]

discord is awful about that but at lesst they offer a functional product

[dusk bluff]

Discord really sucks. Curse voice was 100x better but stupid Amazon bought it and killed it.

[vague galleon]

dang

skype was ass.

dont know if it was ever good.

[dusk bluff]

It wasn't lol

Teams is a bit better but it still has issues

[vague galleon]

i paid for once once like teamspeak i think. it was meh.

dont see the point in paying for that stuff.

[finite saffron]

I mean "the point" before discord existed was that there wasn't other options lol

[hollow barn]

Awesome pfp toast

[misty arch]

skype was a very good option before microsoft bought it. For a good month or so when it first released it was the best gaming.

[finite saffron]

Not that good for big groups (which is mostly what teamspeak was used for)

game guilds and stuff like that

[dusk bluff]

See curse voice.

[misty arch]

that was microsofts doing. I remember the free original version allowed pretty much anything

[dusk bluff]

It existed long before discord

[misty arch]

if we are going for old and still around then ventrillo takes the cake

[dusk bluff]

Oh God vent did not age well

[misty arch]

think i used that one in a guild in EQ just a year or 2 ago when i went back into a progression server.

[misty arch]

but it still works for raiding and thats all its needed for

[dusk bluff]

Some wow guild wanted me to use it so I bailed

It was almost unusable lol

But the guild was ran by 50 year olds and they refused to use discord so makes sense.

Curse voice also had game overlays where it gave you other players stats, and you could instantly talk to anyone in your game who also had curse voice

[vague galleon]

i dont get these names they give this programs. makes no sense.

[tulip solstice]

50-somethings, I tell you... 🙄 🫣

[tulip torrent]

Warriors Orochi was a lit game. Combines Dynasty Warriors and Samurai Warriors together, plus new chars with the Orochi universe.

https://tenor.com/view/warriors-orochi4ultimate-gif-25468620

[candid quiver]

I only like the first dynasty warriors.

It was actually a one vs one fighting game like early soul blade.

On ps1

[vague galleon]

oh?!

man soul blade was awesome.

i have that one.

i like DW3or4. cause i could make my own custom guy.

now theres so many i dont know what one to pick and dedicate time to if i did besides the zelda one.

[clear bronze]

loading up on survival game today

so I got the one that is on-topic , palworld (was end-game on pc gamepass, and valheim (same on gamepass). Basically I left gamepass but 4 months of gamepass is the same price

[tepid wadi]

It's been a good year for survival games

[clear bronze]

valtheim is more of an ionvestment thought because it can be code modded in c# but this game can't be code modded afaik

I don't really "like" the current valtheim game but it's compensated by the possibilities

but then again I dont feel the need to mod palworld

can't help modding or making small games for myself in pygame/godot/unity

[tepid wadi]

Yeah, one of the challenges but also exciting things about Enshrouded is that they built the engine for the game. It means there's no modding support (yet) and they have to tackle some other things without the help of a 'mature' engine, but it also means they have full control over what aspects of the engine they upgrade and don't have to go through an external team to have requests done.

[clear bronze]

Yeah it's nice to have buildign integrated like that and it's not just in certain settlement like fallout 4. I almost feel bad about destroying a lot of things like that. Like in fallout 4 I feel like Im rebuilding the world but now I feel like im the destroyer of world xD

[tepid wadi]

Yeah, on the flipside though, a lot of people actually seem to like rebuilding the POIs in Enshrouded 🤷‍♀️ To each their own really

[clear bronze]

eh no criticism just saying I have to get over the feeling and the "good job breaking it hero trope" . I like the innovative take on the action rpg style

[tepid wadi]

Yeah, for sure

[tranquil cove]

i still use skype

they kind of messed it up with not allowing instant messaging to be in separate window, but then i got used to messages being where they are, and then they tried to mess it up again, but left a legacy option, so i use the legacy layout.

i started with ICQ, then AIM, which lasted until 2016? and somewhere along the line of using aim i had msn messenger

which became skype

and then reluctantly got discord, still kind of really not a fan of it in many ways, the only upside is maybe you can connect with larger communities? so less of a personal messenger?

but i kind of hate everything about discord

it's like... a cess pool for really crappy things, even illegal things

and also anti-democracy in a way

it's basically little fascists having their own communities named after themselves 😆 and banning people they dislike

way too much "individualism"

which i mean this will turn too political - but too much individualism is... or i mean if it's focused in the wrong way? it becomes... twisted? somehow.

like i could run a discord named after myself with people who only agree with me, but i like democracy so.. yeah not my thing.

now i'm reminded of helldivers 😛

but i suppose as a voice gaming app it's great

and gaming channels themselves tend to be positive/good uses of the app

[elfin shale]

If someone kicks you out of their little echo chamber server because your opinions opposed their own, it probably just saves you stress in the long run anyway.

Lol.

[vapid tree]

looks like a fun little game, just the demo https://store.steampowered.com/app/2198150/Tiny_Glade/

Steam

Tiny Glade

Tiny Glade is a relaxing free-form building game. Tap into the joy of making something pretty with no management, no combat, or wrong answers - just kick back, doodle some castles, and turn forgotten meadows into lovable dioramas.Explore gridless building chemistry, and watch the game carefully assemble every brick, pebble and plank. Draw a path...

Release Date

Q3 2024

▶ Play video

[tranquil cove]

posted before 😛 but yeah it's good

[vapid tree]

looking forward to full release....building games! lol

[dusk bluff]

soulmask is really fun so far

[vague galleon]

looks neat at a glance. shame i have too much else taking up my tine.

[tepid wadi]

Yeah, I'm probably gonna pick it up once we finish Ashlands (or my buddy gets too frustrated by their bad netcode and quits)

[bitter relic]

Just completed the game 100%, recommend similar games to play with a friend (except valheim)

[dusk bluff]

wtf it like just came out lol

[stuck shard]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4ft-1WZx9ns what was voted poorly by some has put this gem in the bargain bin. it really was a diamond in the rough. yes I am just a fan who wants to see developers of passion projects as opposed to current triple A copy paste content get the support they deserve.

[quaint cosmos]

I have Praey for the Gods on Steam, but I didn't get to reach the 3rd boss. It was a bit rough for me having to focus on survival with diminishing resources. My character was always hungry and I just quit.

[tranquil cove]

they spelt prey and pray wrong at the same time, impressive

[tranquil cove]

so the real enemy in that game was your stomach

bigger than any god, the black hole called your stomach did you in

[quaint cosmos]

my playtime is 2.5 hours. Oh well

[timber prism]

They had to change it during dev because it was copyrighted

i kickstarted the game because I loved Shadow of the Colossus

[tranquil cove]

copyrighted by who?

there is another game with same name?

[timber prism]

Zenimax

https://www.polygon.com/2017/5/3/15534924/prey-for-the-gods-praey-for-the-gods-trademark-name-change

[tranquil cove]

their game is called prey

prey for gods, or pray for gods, = no copyright issue

[timber prism]

go talk to Zenimax and tell them then

[tranquil cove]

i would have taken the lawsuit and then made them pay my legal fees

that type of arrogance is atrocious

imagine thinking you own the word prey

[timber prism]

not the first time someone big bullies someone small

[tranquil cove]

but like i dont get why they didnt take the lawsuit

it's an easy victory

judge would probably throw it out of court and it wouldnt go to trial

[timber prism]

who wants to sit in a lawsuit when all you want to do is make a game?

They did the same thing to Mojang

[tranquil cove]

lol mojang is rich

take the lawsuit and crush them

[timber prism]

yeah, which is why they settled

to avoid all of this because what kickstarter company is gonna want to sit in a law suit?

[candid quiver]

No "Scrolls" for mojang ^^

Zenimax will own all single words in the future :p

[tranquil cove]

if the lawsuit was they can't 'use the word prey' in a totally different genre of game and title 'prey for the gods' and they cant use 'pray for the gods' because our game is simply called 'prey' then 1000 times they would have lost. it's only copyright if your game is called prey and their game is also called prey.

prey for the gods is different than prey

[candid quiver]

"An NPC in skyrim rerelease 21 said "hello and the" at some place, cant use "hello or the" in game titles :p"

[tranquil cove]

it falls into free reasonable use

[candid quiver]

I think zenimax and the involved parties and legal teams know what falls into what ^^

And what they can get away with pressuring ^^

[tranquil cove]

the judge would throw it out in the pre trial

unless there was some hardcore email corespondance where someone said "lets name our game prey for the gods, so we jump on the bandwagon of the new game prey coming out"

[timber prism]

yeah, im gonna think that htey are smart enough to know what thigns are worth and not worth fighting over

[candid quiver]

Doesnt matter what you think, they do make names be changed - i think they know more intimately what they can or can't pressure legally then you ^^

Yeah, theyd know better, the INVOLVED parties ^^

[tranquil cove]

this is another topic

about who knows more

that i wont engage in

arguments of authority are lame to me

[candid quiver]

Zenimax and the companies themselves knows more

[tranquil cove]

i wont engage in this totally different topic lol

[candid quiver]

its all im saying. i dont think someone on the internet can be like "but law works like this" ""Oh, we that works with this case didnt know, thanks we should have known better"

[timber prism]

^

[tranquil cove]

you can think what you want, but based on what i know they would have lost

easily

[timber prism]

lmao

anyways

thats why they changed it

so you can rip on them all you want for not knowing how to spell Prey

[candid quiver]

Breaking news: "A person on discord broke zenimax copyright cases, turns around all the legalwork with previously unknown insight actual laywers did not have" :p

[tranquil cove]

stop making topics about me, thanks

otherwise i can't type in here

since it creates conflict

that wasn't the topic

[timber prism]

you are the only one making conflict here