other-games

[sullen crane]

And act like we dumb

[timber prism]

It actually asked you to sign up day 1 and they took it down due to issues

mine has been linked since day 1

[sullen crane]

That’s irrelevant.

Asf

[timber prism]

but yeah, its a shit move

and it sucks for Arrowhead

they already acknowledged it

but i doubt it kills the game

kinda weird though that two months later you still upset at them XD

Meanwhile.. your GOTY...

2.1 million to 40k players

[sullen crane]

😂

That game is not live service

[tepid wadi]

I mean, it's not really a game that need a consistent online playerbase to be a success. Their box sales are a huge success already

[sullen crane]

How won’t it kill the game

U can’t even play if u brought it outside of certain countries

[timber prism]

clearly.. it hasn't... it has 80k players playing right now

[sullen crane]

We’ll see as we get close to June 4th

The same company who can’t keep employee data safe lol

https://tenor.com/view/for-gl-vemee-chloe-x-halle-halle-bailey-gif-21416228

[timber prism]

you so dumb

XD

thats been a thing for years and you wanna bring that up as an arguement now XD

at least you aren't bringing up that anti cheat you cried about since day 1

the one you claimed kill the game before it released

[tepid wadi]

Or, now hear out this suggestion we can just not argue about it at all and keep things focused on more positive aspects of gaming. We'll see what happens but there's no use speculating on it right now.

[vague galleon]

well wheres the fun in that?!

drama sells!

[tepid wadi]

Yeah, we're not using this discord as a drama farm though.

[timber prism]

@tepid wadiDid you ever end up picking up No Rest for the Wicked?

[tepid wadi]

In other news, the V Rising 1.0 is looking pretty slick

Yeah, I've played through the first 2/3 of it so far. Great setting, visuals and combat. Looking forward to having more content and story stuff happen.

There are some things I'd probably do different, but overall it's a great start for a game.

[timber prism]

I think im almost done now but it has been a fun ride

the art style is probably my favorite in a long time

what kind of character did you make?

im a fasty boi with dual daggers

[tepid wadi]

Big heavy 2hander guy, my got-

[timber prism]

basically just dex build with equip load stats so i can equip decent armor

I dropped this the other day but haven't 2 handed yet myself

[tepid wadi]

Yeah, I'm lightly armored strength build

[tepid wadi]

2Handing is definitely hard, some of the mobs have attack patterns that are tough to find an opening in.

Ironically, I find the bosses to be easier than some of the regular mob encounters.

[timber prism]

yeah, thats the one thing about being a fast boi

i can literally just iframe everything

so much mobility that you can easily outplay everything with dual daggers including bosses

[tepid wadi]

Yeah, speed definitely seems to be a big thing

I love the big super attack on the greatsword though, it's fun to chunk like 1/4 of a boss's health

[timber prism]

that sounds awesome haha

[tranquil cove]

i already stopped playing hd2

was it originally released on PS? why are they calling it a PS game?

i thought it was developed for PC and console at the same time

if it was PC port from console that was already bad news, and then it would make sense to require PSN account

if it wasn't then it makes no sense to declare it a PS game, just because sony prefers PS

i'm still waiting for them to release the big bug boss

arrowhead game devs swedish also? i recognized the trolling nature of swedish game design in their game 😄

anyway i already own the game so i'll probably have to sign up or not play it

i don't even own a PS console

have been PC gamer all my life

i got a few PS2 emulators once and played them

[neon sleet]

[neon sleet]

Experimenting shall proceed later today. . .

[candid quiver]

In what way? ^^

[tranquil cove]

oh just hell divers 2 feels pretty trollish the way the gameplay is, any game with friendly fire enabled, and 360 degree turrets, mortars that can't aim, and holes a player can fall through, and where if you turn too fast in the mech while shooting you blow yourself up is a bit trollish.

and valheim are also swedish dev team and their game is super trollish and frustrating, basically every 20 minutes you are annoyed, never saw a person in valheim VC not complaining about something.

but to combat this stereotype, core keeper devs are also swedish and it doesnt feel trollish

[candid quiver]

Not sure cus i havent played those ^^ i am swedish tho so was interesting

[tranquil cove]

there 2 types of swedish people/game devs the super troll, and the super kind person, reflects in the games being developed 😄

[candid quiver]

Id say i feel helldivers2 are swedish in that they mock military nationalism, as far as i hear ^^

[tranquil cove]

i wonder if game dev teams just move to sweden to make games

but their teams are more multinational anyway

because there's a lot of game dev teams in sweden

[candid quiver]

Were not very against foreigners in general i guess ^^ well, times i europe are messy atm so, but well lets not go to political

[tranquil cove]

and successful ones i think

[candid quiver]

Minecraft was a very sucessful swedish game, until notch sold and became.. ego

Notch and jeb held the forth, then uk grum and dinnerbone and us lydia joined which was nice too

Dont remember the others (sorry others <3)

[tranquil cove]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_video_game_companies_of_Sweden

[candid quiver]

Also sad that dice (i think) got gobbled up into EA

[tranquil cove]

yeah they have pugstorm (core keeper), iron gate (valheim) coffestain (valheim), and helldivers 2 (Arrowhead) on that list.

[candid quiver]

Sweden also had a strong scene back with the Amiga (also some very known.. uhm seas sailing game-borrowing groups) started there, some crackers became gamedevs, some kept their.. side hobby ^^

[tranquil cove]

lol paradox is swedish

[candid quiver]

Right that too ^^

[tranquil cove]

that explains a lot

crusader kings 3, is basically 5 hours you getting your face stomped in by the AI

on easy setting

[candid quiver]

Ive friends that love crusader kings, but im too bad at strategy of that kind ^^

So many things i get lost ^^

I want it simple, here is you, you have sword, this is world go explore. Grawrh! ^^

Or specific turn based like bg3 and roguelikes ^^

[rustic nexus]

Has anyone played V-Rising a fair amount? I'm curious how good it is.🤔

[tepid wadi]

Very good

It was a little rough on initial release, but their last patch made it amazing. I'm super stoked for the 1.0 in a few days

Solid progression, fun combat, great base building, fun exploration. Not too grindy, lots of different mechanics, just all around great.

[dusk bluff]

It was okay when I played a year ago. I didn't like the fact that you could sit and wait for someone to be half way through a boss or finish a boss and then swoop in and murder them.

The bosses weren't very hard until other players were involved and then it was practically impossible if anyone else showed up.

[tepid wadi]

Ah yeah, I haven't played it PvP

[dusk bluff]

I had a lot more fun running a server and setting up events or messing with players.

[tepid wadi]

Some of the later bosses could be challenging

[dusk bluff]

Oh interesting I thought most people played it pvp.

[tepid wadi]

Nah, I gave up on PvP survival games after playing Hardcore Official Ark for like a year

[dusk bluff]

There were 2 bosses that had a difficulty spike but the rest I wished were harder.

[dusk bluff]

You missed out on having the slaves help protect your base and sieging other players bases.

[tepid wadi]

We're probably going to do PVP in our 1.0 playthrough, we'll see what happens

[dusk bluff]

I was disappointed by the forms though

Like why was the frog even a thing

[tepid wadi]

Haha yeah, frog is especially weird, maybe there'll be a use for it in 1.0. It sounds like they're doing a lot of revamps/improvements, so I'm curious to see how it all works now.

[dusk bluff]

Bear was used for like 1 thing. The bat and the wolf were the only useful ones and the rat was questionable

[tepid wadi]

Yeah, IDK

I definitely got my money's worth out of the game.

[dusk bluff]

The bat was really annoying though it made it so your base design was very limited.

[tepid wadi]

Hunting for good NPCs and capturing 100% blood types and stuff was always great

[dusk bluff]

I hope they add more Npc types

The mage and pally were king for base defense

[tepid wadi]

I think they added the alchemist in the last update? I don't remember for sure

[dusk bluff]

Having admin was cool I got to see all the equipment they didn't add yet I wonder if it's officially in the game now

[tepid wadi]

I bet a lot is

[timber prism]

This def felt like the move. Just the way the game played made it really good for pvp

It was fun taking over servers and battling other players

the pve in the game was just okay imo

Also think that most of the forms were actually useless... i only really used the wolf form

[dusk bluff]

bat was really good for getting into bases people thought were safe.

Rat was solid for recon

the funniest moments I had was with admin. I would teleport into their base as a rat hide in a corner and start talking to them. It scared the crap outa so many people.

[abstract spruce]

Blacklegion has started a competition!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hBLr0sK1XJ4&t=128s

[dusk bluff]

what am i looking at?

[misty arch]

https://y.yarn.co/1606b976-d008-47d7-a644-7451fff44fd4_text.gif

[reef bobcat]

RIP Helldivers 2

[quaint cosmos]

I just realized that most games nowadays does not play a demo if you wait at the title screen and not press a button. Was the PS2 days the last time we saw a demo play itself?
(It's called "Title Screen Trailer", just googled it)

[timber prism]

https://x.com/playstation/status/1787331667616829929?s=46&t=sz60MAslLdjIQ_JE5CH2aA

PlayStation (@PlayStation) on X

Helldivers fans -- we’ve heard your feedback on the Helldivers 2 account linking update. The May 6 update, which would have required Steam and PlayStation Network account linking for new players and for current players beginning May 30, will not be moving forward.

We’re still…

Twitter · May 6, 2024, 4:00 AM

[reef bobcat]

FOR DEMOCRACY!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[short sail]

Ha...
I tried Manor Lords now for almost 10 hours.
I feel too dumb to play it. First I never get people to move in, second I get defeated in all battles. I'm really good.

[vague galleon]

ha. a victory for FREEDOM 🇺🇸🦅

[short sail]

Hey. At least I had 100% approval from the people despite the 20% tax. Besides, is it really freedom if the rival lord just kills all my people?

[vague galleon]

i mesnt for helldivers lol

[short sail]

Oh. Okay.
Spread democracy. I try to Lord my peasants.

[reef bobcat]

Democracy what?
Sony dont want democracy tho. 🤣🤣
"Best" publisher

[candid quiver]

The democrachy that manifests when having a succulent chinese meal! ^^

[timber prism]

https://store.steampowered.com/app/1145350/Hades_II/

Steam

Hades II

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Price

$28.99

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Hades 2 hit EA today

[timber prism]

out of the big corpo pubs.. they probably have my favorite games

I rather play Sony games over MS, Ubisoft, EA, Blizzard

i dont any of them could ever count as best publisher tho XD

[reef bobcat]

Because they are one of the top choices for small studios indie games.
They are nothing but publishers. Look how they almost f up helldivers 2. 🤣🤣🤣

[timber prism]

I just dont know why you gotta say "best publisher" Are there people who actually say that? XD

[reef bobcat]

Technically they are one of the best.

Sony is one of the best imho
Not every publishers can retract their decisions for the sake of community like that

[timber prism]

so then why the quotes around best?

[reef bobcat]

Not actually for the community but for the 💸💸

[reef bobcat]

Whaaaat im 😵‍💫😵‍💫

[timber prism]

XD

[reef bobcat]

Wait am I against it or not? 😵‍💫😵‍💫😵‍💫

Wait the quote made it like sarcasm right?? I made the quote to point it out lol. Not for it to appear sarcastic. 🤣🤣🤣🤣

😵‍💫😵‍💫😵‍💫😵‍💫😵‍💫😵‍💫

[timber prism]

lmao

[misty arch]

for anyone who hasnt played in awhile and might be thinking of getting back in now that it is at 1.0
https://youtu.be/BmKGN2SgWZY?si=H0B5AEdV0iS9mdAV

[tepid wadi]

Yeah, my group is hyped for 1.0. We started a couple days early because we didnt read the launch notes that we'd have to start over.

We'll have to redo act 1 which isnt a huge deal.

[vague galleon]

I need to get back to playing sacred gold. I loved it when I first bought it like a decade ago and then fell off it terribly. luckily i found a discord communtiy. ❤️

i dont want to think of how old that game is now, it was old when I found it!

[plush sinew]

I remember playing sacred gold when it was playable on gamespy mp

[rustic nexus]

https://youtube.com/@Strat-Guides watch this guy's Manor lords YouTube videos. By FAR he has the best videos that I've come across for the game, he gives solid advice and doesn't make many mistakes from what I've seen. Someone can learn 10x times as much from his videos as any other Manor lords videos.

[short sail]

Ha. I already watch his videos on occassion. But thank you nonetheless.

[timber prism]

Damn Hades 2.. I was so close to beating D:

[neon sleet]

Hades 2
The rehadezing

[timber prism]

Can't believe MS shut down Tango after Hi-Fi Rush was such a success z.z

Hopefully they get moved somewhere else and not actually lose their jobs cuz that game was fantastic

[misty arch]

https://youtu.be/Cc2eVpwu3Cs?si=KrXOWVlIk3XGM4cd

[tepid wadi]

I've been playing the open beta for soulmask a bit. It's pretty interesting, but definitely has some challenges. I feel like we're seeing a lot of very similar open world UE5 survival games happening right now and they all seem to be having similar issues.

[timber prism]

I haven't looked into it

What separates it from other survival games?

[vague galleon]

what similiar issues are they having?

[tepid wadi]

The main sell of Soulmask is the Aztec theme, as well as the pseudo-colony builder mechanics that we're starting to get from more survival games.

The similar issues that they're having is that they're very pretty but all start to feel a bit samey after a while of playing. The progression is stretched to make you play longer, but a lot of the stuff your're doing isn't actually fun. A good easy comparison is Bellwright and Soulmask.

Bellwright is medieval vs Soulmask's tribal theme.
-They both include colony builder mechanics where you 'recruit' people to work on your settlement. But in both of them, the mechanics for the settlent related stuff feel pretty jankey and are difficult to set up in the way that you like.
-They both have 'active' combat to them. While the styles differ, they both don't feel amazing after a bit of play. In Bellwright it's difficult to take on multiple foes, in Soulmask it feels like R1 spam to just kill things before they kill you.
-The building in both feels rather unrewarding. In Bellwright, you build set buildings, but they look super low tech and don't feel rewarding to build because you aren't interacting with them meaningfully (your colonists do it for you). In Soulmask, it's more like Ark/Conan building, but once you build a station, it either takes you FOREVER to craft all the midpoint materials from the gathered raw materials, or you have your tribemates do it for you.
-In both games, the UI is relatively unintuitive in various ways and doesn't feel good to interact with.

Neither game has figured out how to make the colony portion feel good with the normal survival busybox and I think that's going to be a real challenge for a game to nail. It has to feel "right", which these ones don't really do.

Palworld, while a very different game on the surface, feels similar in a lot of ways. You attain "colonists" (pals) to do work on your base so you don't have to do it yourself. You can also bring them out to fight with you, to varying effectiveness. It's unique in the pokemon/pal style, but ultimately it feels pretty similar to Bellwright and Soulmask in the actual gameplay, but arguably the meaningful play in Palworld if even thinner because of the way the player interacts with the world, which is just by shooting pals until they're low and then capturing them in the ball.

All three games also include base raids that aren't interesting to a significant degree. There's a group of enemies that run up to your base, they path directly to your stuff, and fight you. There aren't interesting mechanics regarding base defense, it's just you and your colonists fighting a wave of enemies that is fairly generic and not different from other raids or enemies you'd encounter in the world.

Note; I don't think they're bad games or that they are no fun or no one should play them or anything. But under the hood, they all feel... the same.

[candid quiver]

I am starting to become 'full' on 'build base colony' type crafting games to be honest,
Need something.. new and different ^^

At most a homebase would be as a background aside and not the focus point all the time sorta

[timber prism]

I was about to say this sounds exactly like Bellwright haha

[tepid wadi]

See, I think it's okay that they have common mechanics, but it's not okay that they feel like the exact same mechanics. It makes all of them feel like they're using asset store systems that they just skinned to their game and that makes all of them less fun to play.

[tepid wadi]

yeah, they need to use the colony mechanics to evolve the gameplay in meaningful and interesting ways. But instead it's like you're doing the same survival craft loop, but now you have NPCs that do a lot of the 'menial' work for you. But they also haven't replaced that menial work with anything noteworthy so it makes the rest of the game feel super hollow.

And part of the fun of survival/craft games is that mindless chore loot of gathering and crafting, but now they've interrupted it by making the NPCs do the work instead.

[candid quiver]

Too much automation takes away gameplay too yeah

[timber prism]

There is so much overlap in survival games imo. It really makes games like Valheim, V Rising, and Enshrouded stand out

[tepid wadi]

Yep, totally agree. Those games are all clearly doing their own thing, and it really makes them stand out in a sea of similar feeling survival games.

I love survival games, but just like other genres we're getting to a market saturation point where it's not enough to copy mechanics from other games and stick them together with a new skin.

[dusk bluff]

I like how there was an article stating that palworld "clones" were popping up. Well palworld is basically Ark with a different catch mechanic.

[misty arch]

well we all know that is a lie. Everyone knows every game ever, is just a "clone" of Pong.

[dusk bluff]

OXO came before that though

[tranquil cove]

survival builders need to integrate into a story more

this way the story is what really keeps you hooked

[tepid wadi]

I'd say the thing that the best survival games have in common is clear goals and progression.

Valheim has their zones/bosses. V Rising has the VBlood bosses, Enshrouded has story quests... they all facilitate exploration and progression through clear tangible goals.

[tranquil cove]

how would you describe abiotic factor?

[tepid wadi]

I havent played it yet. So I'm not sure

[tranquil cove]

it has zones, i guess, and sort of story quests

[tepid wadi]

But Ark and Conan for example start to struggle when the progression slows down and you arent sure what to do next. Ark more than Conan because at least Conan has the Journey stuff

[worldly lance]

yeah they give a little too much freedom on leveling to learn recipes should have more go out and find out stuff and everything

[dusk bluff]

Isnt the whole game based around story? And then you get to discover more about it through NPCs you find and emails on computers.

I still need to finish it but I think I'm 90% done

[tranquil cove]

yeah, it's quest based

[tepid wadi]

So like Enshrouded, but with the SCP foundation, got it 😝

[timber prism]

Abiotic Factor is pretty fun

I can only handle it in small doses though

[craggy egret]

For anyone wishing to partake in the V Rising Release today, feel free to check out the Bloodmoon Oasis Community

https://discord.com/channels/803241158054510612/1237622250450980864

[reef bobcat]

I love conan if it wasnt for the light source leaking through the walls.

IDK if they fixed it but its a problem since the beginning.

[dusk bluff]

What is this?

[craggy egret]

It's a Vampire Survival game that released today.

[dusk bluff]

Never heard of Blood Moon Oasis. Have you played it yet?

[tepid wadi]

I'm pretty sure it's not a game, I think it's just at themed discord community around V Rising

Maybe with mods (but probably not right away with 1.0)

[candid quiver]

Its UE4 standard if you have live (not baked) lights,
Calculating wall bounce in realtime is expensive resource wise so live building ue4 is often like this.

[dusk bluff]

Ohhh lol. I saw the AI art and thought it was a game release.

I see it now. Who ever made that page needs to brush up on their skills. In small letters it says "A V Rising community" in red letters in a partially red background.

[tranquil cove]

people are saying its like scp and half life

but i never played SCP so i don't know if that's true

abiotic factor is BIGGER than i thought it was though

definitely pretty huge for an early access release

if this was all the game was, it would have been worth th $20 in my opinion

but it's going to have 3 more major updates by end of this year (similar to enshrouded goal of releasing 1.0 end of year)

and i also think abiotic dev team is on track to finish, because their game in some ways is a bit easier to dev for than the latest unreal 5 game that uses 1 million polygons or whatever

since they purposfully chose an older art style/look for the graphics, (even though i am sure it's way more advanced than the old stuff and more work went into it still).

[dusk bluff]

Does the game scale enemies with player increase?

I am playing solo and it is pretty easy tbh

Can't imagine if it's the same with more people

[tranquil cove]

there is 1 million settings in world creation

where you can adjust difficulty

[dusk bluff]

That's not what I am asking

[tranquil cove]

i don't know if it scales, i'm not a dev, i didn't notice any difference

between single player and when i played with 3 other friends

[dusk bluff]

If that's the case hopefully they add scaling

[tepid wadi]

SCP isn't a game, it's a sort of collaborative fiction idea about transdimensional entities and eldritch horrors and stuff

[tranquil cove]

but yeah the game has so many settings, it's actually nice to have devs that were that thoughtful about settings, different audio/graphics/gameplay, and world creation settings

[tranquil cove]

so the videos i see on youtube are not a game?

[dusk bluff]

Most of the good survival games have that. So glad they followed suit

Game is likely way too easy with 4 people even on the hardest setting

[tranquil cove]

it's like saying MYST is not a game no?

[finite saffron]

SCP originally started as a community run wiki of what are essentially horror short stories

[tranquil cove]

MYST is an experience.

https://youtu.be/4vutWBgSVK0

looks like a game to me?

just not a traditional objective based one maybe

[finite saffron]

It's a collective universe run by a bunch of random people, kinda like a wiki.

So similarly there's a bunch of SCP games that are made using the same universe, but they're made by all sorts of different people

So none of them are "official"

[tranquil cove]

so SCP itself is not a game, but SCP containment breach is a game 😛

[finite saffron]

ye

[tranquil cove]

i see

[finite saffron]

https://scp-wiki.wikidot.com/ this is where they all come from (there's horror/disturbing fiction on this site as a warning)

[tranquil cove]

cool

[tepid wadi]

Other games like Control, Lethal Company, and Once Human kind of fit the description as well

Whether or not they expressly are part of it

[finite saffron]

Yeah there are a lot of unofficial SCP games and films and stuff, the copyright of SCP in general is sketchy so a lot of artists make SCP-inspired things without directly naming it

[tepid wadi]

One of the things I like about it is that we all have a sort of collective feat of the cosmic horror style stuff, it's very interesting

[finite saffron]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EOxarwd3eTs for example this insanely good short film, only really mentions SCP in name but otherwise doesn't take any of the ideas from existing SCP stories

[tranquil cove]

but eldritch stuff predates the idea of scp anyway no?

[craggy egret]

Hey hey... I'm a developer not an artist... I use the A EYE's to build images. But yeah.. most of the time that image is in the context of V Rising, so appreciate the feedback that the text is small.

[finite saffron]

Oh yeah of course, SCP is a kind of... Universe concept I guess that ties a bunch of vague horror ideas together

[tranquil cove]

so some games based on eldritch stuff imo aren't automatically SCP... just because SCP cornered something about it

[finite saffron]

Yeah, SCP has just inspired a loooot of stuff. I'm mostly just referring to stuff where the artists explicitly said they were inspired by SCP

The SCP universe is essentially an alternate reality where horrific horror things are just like... everywhere. And the "scp foundation" is a fictional entity that tries to categorize and "contain" all of them, to hide and protect the public from their existence.

So it's sorta like, a somewhat grounded/realistic take on "what if eldritch horrors existed and where everywhere but we just didn't know about it". The whole SCP wiki and stuff pretends to take place in the reality we currently live in

A lot of classic internet horror stories and ideas have stemmed from it, a lot of the most famous indie horror videogames were inspired by SCP stuff.

[tranquil cove]

so would umbrella corporation count?

or do the monsters have to be non genetically engineered and more anomolous entities?

lol

[finite saffron]

they can kinda be whatever, it originally started as mostly just a way for creative horror writers to all share their ideas with each other in a way that was at least somewhat coherent, but it grew massively beyond that at this point

Only real cohesive theme is that every entry on the wiki is written in the style of like, a sort of government document

lots of classified data, codewords, stuff like that

[tepid wadi]

Yeah, I mostly use SCP to describe stuff like it because it's an easy way to categorize things and they all follow those similar trends

Abiotic factor really fits because you're in the facility and stuff

[finite saffron]

I was always a fan of the tongue-in-cheek way most entries are written lol, they're written like a government employee just documenting things as part of their day job, but the things you're reading are the most eldritch horror disturbing ideas you've ever seen. I always found that charming

Unlike most online creepypasta/horror stuff it's not written like it's trying to scare you, it's almost like it's trying to be factual/informative, even though its fiction. I think it's why it has spawned so many spinoffs, it's "well documented" despite being pure fiction.

[tranquil cove]

there is a lot of fear that the government is the bad guy - i think in part because of classified CIA projects back in the 60s etc, but probably better to have a healthy balance of caution and trust for the government... i think SCP is missing an important factor in goverment corruption, but also in power dynamics, which is that corporations can be just as bad or worse than governments and cover things up and have secret facilities with monsters too!

[finite saffron]

It's not missing that at all lol

[tranquil cove]

though i guess in SCP the government is trying to protect the public while keeping it secret maybe, moreso than creating the monsters or being responsible for the monsters being in the world (like in stranger things).

[finite saffron]

one of the core themes of SCP is how corrupt the foundation often is

And yeah it's not a world government, the scp foundation is like, it's own separate entity

But yeah it often has themes of that in a lot of its entries, like the SCP documents casually mentioning their use of sacrificial test subjects on the monsters they are documenting or whatever

[tranquil cove]

i do wonder how they caught any of these monsters

in the containment breach game

the monsters seems so powerful lol

how were they even captured in the first place

[finite saffron]

containment breach uses all monsters from the actual wiki, at least last time I played it, so you could always just look the monsters up on the wiki and see for yourself

they always have "containment procedures"

here's 096 for example which I remember is in that game https://scp-wiki.wikidot.com/scp-096

that's one of the much older ones, was probably written like almost 2 decades ago at this point lol

[tranquil cove]

oh so putting a bag over its head and it becomes docile

so why contain it in a room without a bag over its head?

LOL

just permenantly staple a bag over it's head and it can be an ornament on someones desk

don't need that whole containment room stuff with pressure sensors

and no cameras

[finite saffron]

Nah that one will relentlessly seek people out if anyone sees it, even if just a photograph or something

[tranquil cove]

on if anyone sees its face

with bag over it's head it becomes docile

[finite saffron]

nah cause even old photographs or something

[tranquil cove]

the proper way to store the creature is with a bag over it's head still

lol

[finite saffron]

tru

given that it seems to have otherworldly strength and power though it'd probably just take it off lol

[tranquil cove]

because they can't even observe the creature

maybe but the way they describe it, they say it becomes docile, doesn't try to remove the bag

it was just funny reading how they contained it in that contaiment room, but basically without a bag on it's head still

so we don't really know if it removes the bag eventually

or why they'd take the bag off at all

[tepid wadi]

Sounds like the "how to catch a kangaroo" videos

https://tenor.com/view/funny-animals-kangaroo-come-in-gif-9627737

[tranquil cove]

only thing im annoyed about is abiotic factor is not more popular, and the wiki is out of date

like it's out of date from before early access, probably demo version

there's no mention of this creaturem, it's missing backpacks, craftable items etc.

which basically teleports near you and kills you pretty fast

[dusk bluff]

Update it xD

[tranquil cove]

eh, i have no useful info on it, aren't their players who get data on things in game and can read the hitpoints of stuff?

it's how they make the wiki's in the first place

i mean not through playing the game, they read some file or something

pretty sure it's how 50% of content in wikis are made and how they are accurate and have detailed values

plus people can pull up the actual model to use as a picture rather than screenshots from in game

so even my picture is useless unless it's put in a screenshots section

[dusk bluff]

My biggest complaint is mainly around the guns.

Sub machine gun is basically useless since we can't craft ammo. Way better off using the pistol to headshot. Also requiring stupid gloves to use the sub makes it even more useless. Why would I lose the perk from the forge armor set just to use a gun I will run out of ammo for in 2 seconds.

[tranquil cove]

well your complaint stems around 1 or 2 weapons, but a lot of the weapons they also got right or are at least fun to use

the game has a transmogrifier which lets you have cosmetic armor

so some armors ill never wear to replace the set armor i have, but i might put them in my cosmetic slots

[dusk bluff]

I don't care about trans mog since it's a first person game lol.

I agree most of the weapons are solid. Except later in the game when you find a pickaxe and crow bar randomly. They are pretty much crap compared to what you already have by that time you find them.

Overall 8/10 game for me.

[tranquil cove]

i'd say so too, probably would give it 9/10 when it full releases

and if they fix some issues by then

[timber prism]

https://store.steampowered.com/app/2132850/Rabbit_and_Steel/

Steam

Rabbit and Steel

RABBIT & STEEL is a co-op action "raiding" roguelike focused around fighting challenging bosses alongside your rabbit-eared friends. Fight foes, gather loot, build your character, and work together to overcome obstacles on your way to the Moonlit Pinnacle.Combat is deliberately similar to tab-target MMORPGs, being based around global cooldowns,...

Price

$13.49

▶ Play video

❤️

[dusk bluff]

It's good?

The gameplay looks confusing

[timber prism]

Its 2D FFXIV raiding + Rogue like

If you enjoy mmo raid mechanics and coop I recommend trying it out. I think there is a demo still?

[dusk bluff]

Oh sweet I'll checkout the demo

Every game should have a demo haha

[timber prism]

Yeah! Grab a friend and make them download it too haha

I haven't tried it solo but I can imagine it would be less fun without a group just like mmo raiding XD

[misty arch]

https://youtu.be/tJF7daXZ3Zk?si=TMx2-9FolLODYce1

[timber prism]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RN_1xSqGFLY

[vague galleon]

https://twitter.com/pirat_nation/status/1788588477547696184

Pirat Nation (@Pirat_Nation) on X

BREAKING🚨

Ghosts of Tsushima is no longer available in countries without PSN and is being removed from stores in those regions, even if you just want to play singleplayer.

Twitter · May 9, 2024, 3:14 PM

[spice owl]

sorry enshrouded, sorry unicorn, v rising is hogging my attention for a bit 😅

[tepid wadi]

Totally fair, V Rising is an excellent game. I'm enjoying the 1.0 playthrough

One of my buddies is out of town so I'm trying not to play too much and get too far ahead, but it's tough. The game does such a good job of making you want to keep moving forward that it's tough to simmer.

[timber prism]

Makes sense to avoid the PR disaster of HD2 haha

Luckily. I'll be able to play the multiplayer!

[honest valley]

HD2 remains free from 3rd party accounts, while Ghosts of Tsushima suffers

[amber hound]

Deserved. Ghosts of Tsushima is overrated.

[timber prism]

Ghost of Tsushima top 10 of games released post 2000

[misty arch]

what happens when you mix Stardew Valley and Studio Ghibli? Answer is, you get Starsand Island
https://youtu.be/Dy5ZqbaAp2I?si=tseNwzUPU7N5mH3k

[tranquil cove]

do sand and gardens mix?

lol

[timber prism]

holy frame drops lmao

will def check it out when its out. I hope they work on the cooking.. one of the things i really enjoyed about Palia is the co op cooking and the mini game was actually fun

[misty arch]

https://youtu.be/UP1W9-5yTLM?si=xOYUpuoAAuDlhToW

[quaint cosmos]

just curious, does anyone like playing Sudoku?

[candid quiver]

Not me, i like words but numbers scare me! ^^

[dusk bluff]

Having a blast with no rest for the wicked so far

Biggest complaint is I can't respec so I'm level 9 and still havent used any stat points lol

[pale jewel]

Been looking for a recommendation for something involving a nice island survival game-- but I can't help but feel like most of them feel either too clunky, or too boring.
Wayward was fun but felt a bit too overwhelming mid-game

Raft, Survivalists, Stranded Deep-- never felt that fun for some reason.

Sons of the Forest was alright, I just suck at it lol

[timber prism]

great game

only thing i dont like is how it kicks my GPU fan into overdrive XD

[tranquil cove]

https://store.steampowered.com/app/813230/ANIMAL_WELL/

Steam

ANIMAL WELL

Hatch from your flower and spelunk through the beautiful and sometimes haunting world of Animal Well, a pixelated wonder rendered in intricate audio and visual detail. Encounter lively creatures small and large, helpful and ominous as you discover unconventional upgrades and unravel the well’s secrets. This is a truly unique experience that can ...

Price

$22.49

Recommendations

3512

Metacritic

91

▶ Play video

looks peaceful until it's not

lol

"The main game is just the beginning. Players will be discovering hidden puzzles for years"

"takes up less storage than a single asset in call of duty"

lol

"it's like video games if they were actually good"

[short sail]

I have played it for awhile.
But honestly, sometimes I did mistakes in the paper version I didn't notice first. Would only play it where AI says I'm wrong to see it directly.

I heard alot recently about Animal Well. Maybe I'll give it a look

[vague galleon]

this one gotta be nonsense. games are never good!

[candid quiver]

Animal well is a supercozy exploration 'metroidvania' ^^ loving it

[vague galleon]

it looks hella creepy

[candid quiver]

Its just an eerie vibe ^^

[tranquil cove]

i read negative reviews for animal well, the people who negative it really don't like it lol

and i can see why, it's not really their type of game i guess? or not worth the price. but it still has majority positive reviews

[finite saffron]

When it comes to any "youtuber games", steam reviews will always be fairly inaccurate.

Not saying it's good or bad, haven't played it. But if you want a critical review you should probably find a professional game reviewer on youtube or something

[tranquil cove]

whats a youtuber game, i was wondering about that

a youtuber made it?

since when can youtuber code?

lol

[finite saffron]

Oh, this game was published by the youtuber Dunkey, it's the first game his publishing compnay has ever published

He didn't make it but he promoted the hell out of it on his channel

It wouldn't surprise me if it was good, just saying the reviews are probably skewed extremely positive from his fans

[tranquil cove]

cant the same be said for any triple A game with a good publishing company who throw millions into marketing?

why single out the youtuber reviews because has some money and fame lol

[finite saffron]

In this case he funded and published it, so to his fans it's "his" game so to speak

He wasn't just sponsored or made a review or something

[tranquil cove]

never even heard of this guy, i was hoping it was mr beast published

lol

[finite saffron]

Dunkey is probably one of the more prolific/famous PC gaming youtubers, usually pulls millions of views per video

[tranquil cove]

oh yeah i guess 7.5 mill subscribers is a lot - in my personal range i still consider it pre-fame numbers

given how i never heard of them

maybe if they have 20 mill subscribers id have heard of them 😛

[finite saffron]

Yeah he just has a very diehard fanbase, quite a few games have been make or break because of his reviews.

I don't know much about animal well beyond the fact that he published it though

[tranquil cove]

i doubt people would positive review just based on fan appreciation

which either means the game is okay or good for them

[finite saffron]

At least on day 1 they definitely did, most of the reviews were just dunkey memes lol, and there was like already over 1k

[tranquil cove]

if the game was trash majority of people who are fans would either not leave a review out of kindness or say its trash

unless he paid them off

[finite saffron]

Given that it still has overwhelmingly positive after so many days though, I imagine it's good

Was mostly just saying it tends to skew the perspective a bit, if you were looking for a truly objective review

A lot of people really want this game to succeed because they want Dunkey to publish more games

[tranquil cove]

if i was a publisher i'd require every game i throw money at to include my name in the game

as an easter egg

[candid quiver]

I dont know who made it, but i like metroidvanias. Dont need combat and like the flow of exploration and finding mysteries and secrets in a pretty low-fi mixed with modern style ^^

[tranquil cove]

what would my publishing company be called

Darude Sandstorm

my problem with animal well is its 30$

and i'd probably consider $20 too much for buying it lol

[candid quiver]

What makes that a bad price?

[tranquil cove]

i can't get into a whole analysis of it

because i don't have 2 hours to look up pixel games

and their prices

[candid quiver]

Graphic style doesnt dictate effort put into making a game imo, and in the extent price.

[tranquil cove]

price is obviously keeping some people from buying the game, ideally you want to market your game in a way to maximize sales, do you make more money selling one game at 30$ or 2 games at 22$

the answer is 2 games at 22$

instead they will definitely lose the second customer now

marketing is supposed to figure all of this out

but maybe they plan to do a 40% off sale someday

so could work out

i typically get annoyed when games are like "yeah i'm so good i'm worth this much and will never go on sale" yeah except you're not, because i still wont buy you. 😆 if a game only seems interesting/good enough that i would spend 22$ on it, and it's 30$ then i wont spend 30$ that's just how it is. and it's subjective sure..

minecraft did the same thing where they never went on sale and their price actually went up. lol and with minecraft i was guarunteed a huge game with hours of play time and still refused to buy it. a friend had to buy it for me.

factorio does the same thing

"Factorio famously never goes on sale. This means that the best time to buy is now, because the price will only increase."

arrogant, though i guess some people are like "we are morally better than others because we don't engage in sales"

no but you could engage in a sale morally

you could decide what your game is truly worth

and then give a true 50$ discount so you're being ripped off

rather then inflate things and be fake about it

"We state it on our steam page, but people are still asking about it so I want to state it officially. We don't plan any Factorio sale. I'm aware, that the sale can make a lot of money in a short period of time, but I believe that it is not worth it in the long run, and since we are not in financial pressure we can afford to think in the long run. We don't like sales for the same reason we don't like the 9.99 prices. We want to be honest with our customers. When it costs 20, we don't want to make it feel like 10 and something. The same is with the sale, as you are basically saying, that someone who doesn't want to waste his time by searching for sales or special offers has to pay more."

haha what answer is this

people who get "ripped off" not buying things on sale

get to enjoy the game 2 years earlier

people like me literally wait 7 years for a sale

there are some games i never bought while the whole world enjoyed them, and then i got them free on epic games or for 75% sale after 5 years.

i don't see the issue, people who really loved the game, had the money, got to enjoy the game sooner

there's nothing morally wrong with that, especially if it was common knowledge the game has sales

just write on your steam page this game will have 20% off sales or whatever

[dusk bluff]

Tried it and wasn't a fan. Nothing put it apart from any other similar game in the genre. It wasn't bad but it wasn't anything special. To me it's more of a 10$ game.

The reviews are really annoying. 90% of them have nothing to do with gameplay and just meme.

Knowing this dude's fan base I understand it. He has a cult like following lol.

[misty arch]

https://youtu.be/6ojRQyBqtOg?si=BDwfk-i9E6ToGt9w

[untold lynx]

big homeworld fan here, I'm waiting for reviews with bated breath

[tepid wadi]

Reviews are unfortunately... not great

[misty arch]

https://youtu.be/QZ3kJlaMUvU?si=1tVBvBFXVHBCmDrv

[tranquil cove]

is that real or a parody

[tepid wadi]

That's their real animated trailer, Ashlands drops today officially

They did one for Mistlands, too

[tranquil cove]

i like the real game trailer they did, this is more artsy trailer

valheim the cartoon

lol

would be funny if they end up having a cartoon

reminds me of 90s cartoons like gargoyles

this trailer is basically saying you need a mage in ashlands or you're doomed

[tepid wadi]

To be fair, a Valheim cartoon could totally rock

[timber prism]

Woo! Ashlands!

[tranquil cove]

cheaters in games 👎 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3q0pr4FPJ8M never played rust but sometimes i watch videos like this

[tranquil cove]

lol https://youtu.be/aoKL75ns_8c

[gusty compass]

have anyobe play Valhiem Ashland yet? How is it?

[merry moat]

I am ready to if you want to play it, vanilla.

[tepid wadi]

We're still doing our V Rising playthrough, but pretty stoked to hop in there for it.

[shy oasis]

Fresh start later today
We are excited

[lilac adder]

Been having A LOT of fun with Kenshi as of late. Looking forward to kenshi 2 in the next 5 years lol.

never thought RTS + survival craft + open world would be so much fun.

[sullen crane]

Another EA game that false advertisement and doesn’t deliver on what was promised

When will EA be abolished

[finite saffron]

I mean early access doesn't really "do" anything, it's just a label that can mean whatever devs want it to mean. A dev could also release a game normally and promise future updates that are never delivered in the same exact way.

[sullen crane]

Wayfinder literally turned a mmo into a single player game

Ahhh

[tranquil cove]

that's most mmos imo

[sullen crane]

Also advertising as F2P turned p2p

[tranquil cove]

playing with others is optional and 9/10 times people just play alone unless it's actually a coop game or a multiplayer game that really encourages people to play together

[lilac adder]

Wayfinder looks like fortnite

[tranquil cove]

in new world everyone played alone lol unless they were in a guild

neverwinter nights online, i was just doing quests alone even though it's an MMO

[sullen crane]

Ok but when u advertising as a mmo multiplayer game and guilds and neighborhoods then turn around and say no online no match making single player game

[tranquil cove]

only games like Dungeons and dragons online, felt multiplayer

[sullen crane]

With a progress wipe

And all the cosmetics everyone brought are now free

[tranquil cove]

oh yeah that's outright lying then

[sullen crane]

It’s just stupid. DE left them . They were already a bad studio to begin with before de left

So I’m not blaming DE

Constant delays of content . Constant roll backs of patches because they break the game

[tranquil cove]

wait are you the person i should blame for windows 11 bugs? (Senior Product Manager@Microsoft) 😆

the same issues from windows 8

[sullen crane]

I really liked the game to begin with which is why i brought into EA. But when u completely make it something else like it’s a brand new game . Just feel scammed .

Like u did all these talks about all these mmo features and how the game is going be a social game with raids guild’s neighborhoods . We already had open world bosses and zones where u can see other players now all of that is gone

No servers no match making

[tranquil cove]

you can't refund the game?

or it's too late?

[sullen crane]

No

[finite saffron]

Steam might give you one but they are extremely inconsistent tbh

Beyond 2 hours it's a gamble

[tranquil cove]

you might be able to refund if it hasn't been 14 days, just explain the EA used to advertise all these things and now it's single player and you want a refund.

[finite saffron]

But if a game fundamentally changes, they will do it sometimes. They did with helldivers 2 when they announced the sony thing, for example.

[sullen crane]

No they said digital extremes has the money .

[finite saffron]

Saw someone with 120 hours in HD2 get a refund lol

[sullen crane]

They can’t refund what they don’t have

So it’s just a lost

[tranquil cove]

yeah that usually means more than 14 days

[sullen crane]

also to add on there’s now no anti cheat and people will be able to mod anything they want

In game

So founders exclusive items are modded

[tepid wadi]

Well, if it's just single player now, then that's not that big of a deal 😝

Maybe someone will mod in multiplayer

[sullen crane]

All paid cosmetics are free

[timber prism]

Didn't Airship delist the game? They are just trying to change into something they want. They don't have to follow the same failed steps as the former owner of it right?

[finite saffron]

But yeah sounds like a severe management issue with the studio itself, not really tied to early access. Sounds like it would have ended up a mess no matter what

[sullen crane]

They wanted the game to be a mmo. Idk wym this is not the path they wanted

[timber prism]

Understand not liking what their vision of the game is but don't they have every right to do that?

[tranquil cove]

yeah perhaps single player is transitional, and there could still be multiplayer support later through community or from the devs themselves maybe

[sullen crane]

They just are not a good game studio

[timber prism]

They delisted the game back in April because they wanted to change the game

[sullen crane]

They just couldn’t do anything right when they had a publisher

[tranquil cove]

imo if they want to trash multiplayer, they should have opted for 6 player coop

[sullen crane]

They de listed because they didn’t know if they were going shut down or not

[tranquil cove]

rather than just go right to single player

coop can be popular

[sullen crane]

Well it’s a single player co op but no match making

Only 3 people

Through

[timber prism]

According to this it was to make major changes

[tranquil cove]

yeah people love matchmaking

[sullen crane]

Your not in the discord

[finite saffron]

Kind of a grey zone tbh, they promised one thing and then went in the complete opposite direction.

[sullen crane]

The studio said they had 2 choices

Shut down or make it single player

[tranquil cove]

even if people have 3 friends, it doesn't mean those friends can buy every game or have the time to play etc.

[finite saffron]

But also sounds like they were so mismanaged that they backed themselves into a hole

[sullen crane]

I would rather a shut down and steam would refund probably

But they want money

[timber prism]

You can probably get a refund regardless now

Its not the game they advertised

[tranquil cove]

if they shut down they might go out of business? maybe they are trying to salvage so they make some money to actually do what they want with future games

[sullen crane]

That what i see it as. It’s not for the players

When they changed it to pay to play as well

When it was susposed be F2P

[tranquil cove]

one would hope

[timber prism]

Like this seems like an easy case for refund. Not sure what the issue is on that. Why should they have to shut down because you didn't like the outcome?

[sullen crane]

They false advertisement. This isn’t just a combat rework . They literally made a mmorpg a single player game after taking money and cash shop cosmetics and other things u could buy in shop with battle pass

That’s real scummy

[timber prism]

So go refund it

[sullen crane]

U think people aren’t trying

[tranquil cove]

yeah explain all of this in the refund request, have you owned the game more than 14 days?

[sullen crane]

The game isn’t that big as hell divers to get steam’s attention

The game was below 50 players

[tranquil cove]

if it's not as big as hell divers then tbh steam wouldn't even blink at any financial loss lol

would be peanuts for them to cover

[timber prism]

So you tried to refund and got denied?

[tranquil cove]

did you own game more than 14 days?

because if not - they can definitely refund

[sullen crane]

Well that’s in conconvurrent players

I think at least 30k people brought it

[timber prism]

You can refund after 14 days depending on what happened

[tranquil cove]

the whole 14 days policy exists because steam can't get back money that's already changed hands, unless it's within 14 days

[timber prism]

But again. Steam denied your refund?

[tranquil cove]

so if steam told you the money is not theirs anymore and it's less than 14 days, they lied

[sullen crane]

Hard to refund when game came out in august

They just now drop this bomb

[timber prism]

?????

[sullen crane]

Of a change

[tranquil cove]

okay so you had game more than 14 days

[timber prism]

How is it hard to refund?

[tranquil cove]

they can still refund but it's different process after 14 days for steam

[timber prism]

Yeah. Someone looks at it XD

Like what happened with Helldivers 2 recently

[sullen crane]

The money could be anywhere and we don’t know how long steam keeps your card on file for a refund

[timber prism]

People got refunded with 200+ hours

[sullen crane]

Also DE left

[timber prism]

Then refund it to steam wallet

[sullen crane]

And the studio is saying they have the money

[timber prism]

I'm just actually curious if you really tried to refund or just complaining XD

[tranquil cove]

yeah if you refund to steam wallet they are also more likely to provide refund

i think they tried

[sullen crane]

I can’t feel bad for the studio. They could never do anything right or on time. Delays after delays no new content for months. And the player base died out. Then DE terminated the agreement. So they have no money to keep the servers running .

It’s 100% there fault

Like we are just now getting a new character for a game that’s been out for 9 months!!!!

[honest valley]

just get a refund lmao

[candid quiver]

(That person is "palworld on top", its a known troll so you wont get anywhere responding to mercys rants about errything..)

[honest valley]

yeah

[sullen crane]

Why are u constantly harassing me

I don’t even know u

[timber prism]

?

Anyone who enjoys raid mechanics in mmos should try out Rabbit and Steel. Having a blast playing it

4 player coop that is a combination of bullet hell and ff14 raid mechs and rogue like

[tepid wadi]

That definitely sounds pretty interesting, I'm not sure about the art style though

[timber prism]

Super cheap as well. Its like $10

[tepid wadi]

Gonna be tough to tear me away from V Rising and Valheim for a little while

[timber prism]

Def wishlist it for a later date if you like progging

Yeah. I can't wait to do my runs for both those games. I just recently reinstalled them for 1.0 and Ashlands

[tepid wadi]

1.0 adds some excellent QOL. V Rising just does such a good job with their combat, the boss fights are so fun.

I'm trying to not blast ahead because on of my friends isn't able to play much with now, and it's difficult to wait.

[timber prism]

Yeah! V Rising combat is probably my fav in terms of survival combat

You should do a solo or duo pvp run while you wait on your friend haha

The pvp in V Rising is the best part!

[tepid wadi]

Yeah, we're running a PvP server, that's why I'm trying to not get too far ahead. It's been fun finding each other out in the world and dueling

[timber prism]

Oh nice!!!

[tepid wadi]

One of the biggest things I think V Rising does well is the progression. The way the bosses are set up, you always want to be pushing forward and fighting the next one. When you're thinking about something you want to do, the next boss tier tends to open up new things. It really pushes you to advance

[timber prism]

Agreed

[misty arch]

https://youtu.be/vovkzbtYBC8?si=Ffq4yS6yrC_JCU7H

[dusk bluff]

NAh I doubt they work for MS if MS knew of their public conduct they would be fired ages ago. They are a known troll and even harassed me in DMS showing me fake screenshots of their pay calling me poor lol

[tranquil cove]

technically everyone here works for microsoft if you bought windows 😛

[dusk bluff]

Yep one of millions of bug testers lol

[tranquil cove]

i own 10 ferrari's irl, and i can code c++ and i am an uber driver + a lawyer, i also run a medical practice on the side.

[dusk bluff]

100% this lol

[dusk bluff]

My dad owns Microsoft!

[tranquil cove]

wow mine too

we must be brothers

[dusk bluff]

The best part is the amount of money they showed me was lower than what PMs make at Microsoft let alone a Senior PM. It's wild they post a affiliation to a large company on a discord they use to call people names and troll on.

[tranquil cove]

even if i did work for spacex or something to go around saying it on internet nobody would believe me, it's the internet

i'm only 80% sure toast is community manager for keen

he could just be some random guy who made it all up 😄 (just a joke)

[dusk bluff]

Very true lol

Better yet why even tell people. I work for a company I bet 80% of people here know but there's no way I am letting people know that.

Pretty sure they don't even play the games they complain about. They used to have their steam account linked. They were spouting off how bad enshrouded is and when I screenshotted 0 hours played and the game wasn't owned they de linked their steam.

[vague galleon]

what a dork. total lame troll move.

[tranquil cove]

i could say a lot about trolling, but i don't want people to think i'm a troll here lol

tempted though

[dusk bluff]

Everyone trolls at some point. Just own up to it

[vague galleon]

i have!

sometimes its fun! but i dont really do it to be an ass. just some light teasing sometimes.

[tranquil cove]

but basically the best trolls aren't anonymous online, don't alias, and don't private steam accounts etc. now some people might have good reasons to private account, but in terms of people with bad intentions then usually griefers do that, or cheaters...

[finite saffron]

guys you won't believe this but I actually work for a videogame studio

[vague galleon]

no way

prove it

[dusk bluff]

I just asked my dad who owns that studio and he says you are lying.

He said some homeless guy keeps trying to break in and won't stop ranting about Toast.

[tranquil cove]

i don't link my accounts on my discord profile, but i also don't care if people know my steam 😛 https://steamcommunity.com/id/TMSuperman/

[dusk bluff]

No way are you actually Superman?

It's even trademarked it has to be true!

[tranquil cove]

its trademarked 🤣

LOL yeah everyone laughs at that

back when i was 14 we used to trade mark our names and use special symbols like ® and §

i guess habit stayed with me

[dusk bluff]

I just made my name reach the maximum character length to piss off console users when we cross play

[tranquil cove]

§upe®man™

[vague galleon]

i reused my name from a rpg it never got used in.

but it sounds more like a username than an actual name anyway

[tranquil cove]

yeah i have a lot of different aliases i use for rpgs too

[dusk bluff]

Oh my name doesn't even fit in the steam profile lol

[tranquil cove]

like rpg names for men or women

if play female character sometimes

[tranquil cove]

love the profile pic

[dusk bluff]

Me too I am never changing it

[finite saffron]

did anyone else exploit this steam exploit to get dozens of steam levels for free

I thought they would have patched it out but they never did lol

[tranquil cove]

is it still doable?

[finite saffron]

Nope just during that grand prix event

[tranquil cove]

oh i missed it

dang

[finite saffron]

It had little in-game challenges that gave you extremely tiny amounts of steam points for doing

But unfortunately them one of them was in starbound, a game that's extremely easy to mod, so you could just mod the game to turn what would have been a marginally rewarding task into one that just showered you in points.

[tranquil cove]

that's crazy

it would have put the copy of starbound i bought to use too

since i never played the game yet decided to buy it lol

[finite saffron]

I am also part of the problem because I'm pretty sure they never did in-game challenges after that event lol

[tranquil cove]

i've periodically over the years put $5 in my steam wallet and just completed cards for games i own to raise steam level

completed badges i mean

like usually every christmas i put $5 toward that

[dusk bluff]

I never messed with that. This is sadly my second steam account. Pretty sure my first one I setup as a kid was with a throw away email address lol

[tranquil cove]

oh yeah i have this

but i didn't know of the exploit at the time

probably didn't even own starbound then

[finite saffron]

Yeah idk if most people did know about it or not, I just think it's funny that I'm level 92 without ever buying the trading card thingies

[tranquil cove]

https://steamcommunity.com/discussions/forum/0/2963922521568296326/ lol

some people commented that steam corrected the levels of everyone who abused it cough

maybe the extreme abuse, like people who got 20k levels

[finite saffron]

Yeah never fixed mine lol, but I also got bored after a while so I only got to 92, I remember some people had like 200+

They probably just took everyone who got over X xp from the event and removed it because it was obviously impossible

[timber prism]

Suuuuuuuuuure

😆

Its really hard to believe someone with a level 92 steam account

[merry moat]

Anyone wanna explore Valheim Ashland's vanilla?

[dusk bluff]

Sorry I prefer chocolate.

[merry moat]

Then go eat chocolate, why comment?

[dusk bluff]

You said vanilla valheim. I like chocolate valheim

[honest valley]

new icecream flavor just dropped

[timber prism]

Chocolate Valheim BIS

[merry moat]

Seems the devs keep pushing towards teamwork in newer biomes so I thought it might be nice to sail with someone

I'm nearing 100 in most skills but will probably use my secondary until the threats are known

[timber prism]

: cue Styx :

[red crane]

@silk pumice . Hi C. Why did you leave the vigor group? Guess i was right again

[dusk bluff]

Hi C4S. We don't know what you are talking about. Guess I don't know who is right again.

[finite saffron]

https://store.steampowered.com/news/app/548430/view/5993806139359858959?l=english

https://tenor.com/view/its-been84years-titanic-rose-dawson-gif-5372593

[tranquil cove]

https://store.steampowered.com/app/701160/Kingdom_Two_Crowns/

Steam

Kingdom Two Crowns

Kingdom Two Crowns is a side-scrolling micro strategy game with a minimalist feel wrapped in a beautiful, modern pixel art aesthetic. Play the role of a monarch atop their steed and recruit loyal subjects, build your kingdom and protect it from the greedy creatures looking to steal your coins and crown. In the brand-new campaign mode, monarchs m...

Price

$710.00

Recommendations

19747

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it's definitely not 710$

lol weird

[short sail]

It seems some of the scripted AI got out and invaded Steam

Totally not my fault

[candid quiver]

Thats not TWO crowns!

Swedish crowns.. too many ^^

[tranquil cove]

i played it, it's a beautiful looking game

sort of tower defense, build your kingdom as a side scroller, and find sites to build specific things too

i vaguely remember when you win one world you move to the next

[short sail]

Tbh.
If possible I'd love to play some games of my past. Like...
Secret of Evermoore / Mana, Terranigma, Soul Blazer, et cetera. All big quality games from my past... And I couldn't play them for awhile, because their format isn't supported anymore...

[tranquil cove]

and it might have some secrets

[short sail]

And how did I get there?
Because the art style reminds me of games of old.

[tranquil cove]

what are they originally released on?

[short sail]

SNES

[tranquil cove]

dosbox is how you play old games, or an snes emulator

ZSNES i think is the emulator

[short sail]

I have the consoles, but no clue if the internal RAM of these games does existany longer (they seem to wear off with time), neither do I possess the ability or knowledge to get the data from it. Hence, I cannot even plug that at my TV anymore.

[tranquil cove]

that's cool, i think the games would still work, if you can get the console to work with a tv lol

people probably buy used games online still

[short sail]

I have a full box with my precious treasures, where I stored them for at least 20 years now.

[tepid wadi]

Just get an actual crown for that much

[short sail]

My Burger King crown did only cost $9.98

Which means I could've... 71 of it.

[safe night]

the game records itself

[dusk bluff]

I was told Diablo update makes the game suck significantly less

[timber prism]

Its starting to take steps into the right direction now yeah.

[dusk bluff]

Might check it out this weekend then. I saved my pass thingy

[timber prism]

Nice! I'm currently doing a Valheim run for Ashlands update but will probably grind out a season or two after season six.

Give them a bit more time and drop a proper season since this is just an update.

Ghost of Tsushima dropped for PC so that will probably be my next game!

[dusk bluff]

I heard it's not stable 😦

[timber prism]

Only real issues I saw were people using the latest gpu drivers and frame generation. I'm gonna give a try since I loved playing it on my PS5 after this Valheim run so hoping these issues are resolved by then

[candid quiver]

Runs fine for me (i5 11400f, 16 gb, rtx 4060 ti) at 1440p with things on high, dlss3 quality and framegen, about 90fps. Its lighter on the grfx then forbidden west was and it also ran alright (are on latest drivers).

Some people with something odd going on in their systems seems to have issues in both games with both worse and better hardware for some reason

[calm linden]

@turbid trench I loved playing Enshrouded so much, amazing game! 🤩

[dusk bluff]

I don't think enshrouded is a "other game" lol

@candid quiver @timber prism ty I'll give it a try tonight then! Probably just the vocal minority complaining lol

[calm linden]

Lmao I was cooked, thought we were deadass in Helldivers 2 discord

[quaint cosmos]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cZ-dkZsbWW4 Nightingale is going to have Offline Mode now.

[candid quiver]

The future, where we can get actual offline tacked on to games later on if we are lucky ^^

Id try it again with offline, when it also has some more life to its rng biomes and isnt too samey like starfield planets atm.

[quaint cosmos]

The video mentions tougher monster variants, like Apex creatures. I guess you can think of it like Valheim's 1 star or 2 star mobs. I never touched Nightingale, but I have been keeping an eye on it for a while.

[timber prism]

Lemme know how it goes!!!

[candid quiver]

I tried it at launch, didnt work well as a singleplayer and server issues.

But also, world felt a bit empty a bit

Stronger monsters doesnt add to much variety, need pois, things to find and explore. More of those things i feel a bit.

I kinda need more in game worlds then stronger and stronger monsters, variety and exploration otherwise its just killing a group and then another and then another

[tepid wadi]

Yeah, they have the common proc-gen problem where the library of POIs is small enough that after ~10 hours of playtime you'll probably start to see repeats. And that really takes you out of the game. It makes exploration feel way less engaging.

[dusk bluff]

It was okay nothing special

[candid quiver]

Games needs minecraft amounts of procgen,
But... theyve had forever to expand on it so a bit unfair ^^

Those that chooses procgen that is, bespoke handcrafted worlds are awesome

[vague galleon]

procgen?

wait. nevermind.

i never found minecraft very rewarding to explore

mostly just build.

but my imaginatiom was lacking.

[merry moat]

Anyone wanna play Valheim?

[timber prism]

please stop DM'ing me. I dont know you and I dont want to play Valheim with you.

[merry moat]

@timber prism Saying that publicly instead of just responding makes you a jerk

I hit you up twice because you play and responded once in chat before that you do if I recall.

[tepid wadi]

I think about this a lot, I think the best way to do it is to have multiple 'layers' of procgen. So like the overworld is generated, but then POIs are also generated. That way if you're encountering a village, it's layout is generated but also the houses themselves are generated. That way even if they're similar and make sense, they'll still all be a little unique.

Too many games just have the world be generated, and then the POIs are just plopped in there. coughstarfieldcough

[candid quiver]

Lab1 or lab2 "alright team weve enough locations for 1001 planets rng" ^^

[dusk bluff]

Do you want to play chocolate valheim? 😂

[timber prism]

haha

[merry moat]

Anyone interested in playing Valheim?

[tepid wadi]

You might want to try asking in the Valheim discord, they have a LFG channel there that will likely be more active in that regard.

[merry moat]

I know you're trying to be helpful. It's ok.

[tranquil cove]

https://tenor.com/view/sup-daily-twitch-tiktok-sad-cry-gif-25392675

do you want to play the worlds smallest violin with me?

[timber prism]

No cuz you prolly have zero talent

💀

[tranquil cove]

if i was evil i'd design 20,000 discord bots to dm the valheim PR guy once a day and ask him if he wants to play valheim

i'd actually be horrible if i was evil, lucky i am good

[timber prism]

Weird flex but okay

[tranquil cove]

that would mean he gets a dm once a day for 20,000 days

wow that means for 60 years

this is a fun game, rogue lite https://store.steampowered.com/app/358130/Curious_Expedition/

Steam

Curious Expedition

Curious Expedition is a roguelike expedition simulation set in the late 19th century. Together with famous personalities you will venture on unprecedented expeditions to regions never explored before for fame, science and treasures. Put on your pith helmet and khakis and make your way through a lush, procedurally generated world full of wonder a...

Price

$2.99

Recommendations

3531

Metacritic

74

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what is it actually 2.99?

that's a steal

game is at least worth 20$

oh yeah it's 80% off

good on me to accidently find the most epic deal

even their regular price of 16.99$ seems under priced to me, because it's a really fun game, at least for me it was

[dusk bluff]

2 is also 65% off

[hollow panther]

w

[timber prism]

@dusk bluffStarted my PC playthrough of Ghost of Tsushima and its running great! No crashes and excellent fps

[dusk bluff]

Hell yeah! I'll probably grab it this weekend. This last one filled up too quick.

[timber prism]

I love the photo mode so much

[finite saffron]

https://www.pcgamer.com/games/fighting/multiversus-banana-guard-announcement/ PC gamer out here with the hard hitting journalism I see

[dusk bluff]

Lol

[vague galleon]

WHAT

[misty arch]

https://youtu.be/VDNhDe4eo9g?si=Hh4vRhyl5D_YPTAK

[vague galleon]

Bananas in Pajamas?

[forest pond]

https://youtu.be/xJWpJJAoBOw?si=X17iWG4ssSBdkSg4

[timber prism]

https://vxtwitter.com/PatStaresAt/status/1792645592792863049?t=B2dZWOggkXfJpaEud98M7g&s=19

[misty arch]

Coming to Steam in June
https://www.square-enix-games.com/en_US/news/kingdom-hearts-pc

[vague galleon]

NO SHIT

of course epic got an esrly exclusive. -.-

im tempted. i always thought it was a neat series but they whimped out on the ending i think?
anyway im tempted to give the first game a try.

[reef bobcat]

does this game have a comprehensible story?

[vague galleon]

😂🤣

[finite saffron]

If it has kingdom hearts in the title you can just assume no

https://youtu.be/8o1ieehttdA?si=c92ruqz6W0h9Wwdj

[timber prism]

Sorry. You will need to buy the additional Kingdom Hearts Ultimania to figure it all out XD

[lilac adder]

why. we can already play it on pc thorugh epic? i'm happy but what will this change

[timber prism]

There is a demographic of people who refuse to use EGS for various reasons

[lilac adder]

Ah

[tranquil cove]

EGS offer better service than steam

you get a bunch of free games every year, some of which are good, steam doesn't offer this.

aka epic games is technically a better service

[tepid wadi]

Some people like to have their whole game library in one place

[tranquil cove]

but that's not epic games fault

it's as much steams fault as it is epic games

[tepid wadi]

No one said it is, but that's why people might not want to use EGS

[tranquil cove]

one could only use epic games and boycott steam

for the same reasons they are boycotting epic and using steam

it's just they have brand loyalty or something and nothing else

[timber prism]

There is no way lmao

[tranquil cove]

"There is a demographic of people who refuse to use EGS for various reasons"

yeah it's just various reasons + refusing to use it for that reason is hypocritical really. one can use epic and refuse to use steam imo.

[timber prism]

Steam has a much better storefront, profiles, chat features, community mods

[tranquil cove]

epic has some minor flaws that don't matter on a modern PC with a 16 core processor. but also the reason they are behind on some stuff is because steam dominated the market.

[tranquil cove]

meh, sounds like petty things that ultimately don't matter, i could use a program that was just pixel text, as long as i have a library and can click to play a game.

in fact some people do this ^

they use universal third party programs

to consolidate their libraries from different services in 1 place

[finite saffron]

Honestly epic works fine for what 99% of people want it for, a place to buy, update, and play your games.

But yeah, most people really hate having multiple launchers, and steam was first. So any new launcher is met with significant hostility. Tale as old as... Launchers

[tranquil cove]

once i click play on a game, all those steam features might as well be garbage, i am in a game now.

and i've never used steam to find games i want to play

[timber prism]

The classic "doesn't matter" its the same reason why people use Spotify. People care about social stuff.

[tranquil cove]

i use youtube

spotify lol

[timber prism]

Yes. You.

[tranquil cove]

i use youtube on a guest account

so i don't even save any preferences

i type to look up songs still

i have 3 seconds

[tranquil cove]

yeah

[finite saffron]

I mean spotify is frankly a very similar story, it was the first to really nail the formula, and now why would people want to switch or split themselves among more than one platform

[tranquil cove]

but epic gives me free games

and nobody else does

[finite saffron]

youtube music and apple music are both also fine from what I know, but why would anybody switch

[tranquil cove]

it makes it better than steam, regardless if steam has a fancy store front or anything else

i am getting 70$ of value sometimes from epic

steam is giving me pixels.

you take your pixels, i'll take the money

[finite saffron]

I don't particularly like any of them, but it's certainly nice that EGS takes almost like, 1/3 as much money from devs as steam does. 30% cut is pretty wild, even if it's "industry standard"

[tranquil cove]

whats hilarious is that steam is rich

and they cant compete with epics free stuff

they could, they are just greedy imo

[timber prism]

Lmao

[tranquil cove]

if steam makes it so i can gift used games to friends and get rid of them off my library

i will appreciate steam more

until then i don't really value them over epic games

its the same deal, and i get free games from epic

[timber prism]

You can literally family share on steam

[tranquil cove]

i don't want the game, will never play it

does family share remove it from my library?

[timber prism]

And anyone can play your game without you losing it

[tranquil cove]

i also don't have family that play games on steam

[timber prism]

They don't have to be you actually family lmao

Wtf is this logic

[tranquil cove]

yeah but its friends plural

my 1 or 2 friends will not want all of the games i don't want to play

this narrows down from giving away 10 games, to 200 people

to 10 games to 1 person i actually trust

since the 200 people on my steam might steal my account for all i know

[timber prism]

?

[tranquil cove]

"You can't play the same game as someone else is playing."

plus if i give access to my library to someone they will play games i want to play

unless you can family share just 1 game

[timber prism]

??? How is that any different you selling your game?

You already said you didn't want to play it

[tepid wadi]

I'm pretty sure you can choose which games you share via the family plan

[tranquil cove]

i have like 10 games i'd rather delete but i'd lose the money, so i want to give them away instead, but i can't. if i family share i can't family share to even 1 of 200 people on my friend list because i don't know them that well to trust them that closely. this narrows the list of who i can family share with... but also i'd be sharing all 300 games in my library, when i just want the person to play those 10 games i dislike. if they decide not to listen to me i'll not be able to play a game they are playing that i wanted to play... but even if they respected i only want them to play those 10 games, the games are still in my library... and they might not want to play all 10 games, maybe they are just interested in 1 or 2. which means i need to family share again, and again, and again, until i share these 10 games with someone... to just share the game? not actually give it away.

i want to give these trash games i will never play but someone else will treasure, away!

i don't want to sell them

i don't want my money back

but i don't want to delete them off my library forever (which is the only option steam allows).

you can already buy a game and gift it

i have games in my library with zero hours, or 2 hours, but i had them for 2 years so i can't refund

and im not interested in them

like 10 hours in orcs must die 2, i'd give that away.

66 hours in new world, but i'd give it away

killing floor 2.9 hours

divinity original sin, and dont starve (161 minutes between the 2 editions), and ever space (32 minutes), dont want these either

hitman series (no hours), i don't even think i bought some of these

deus ex (no hours), and darksiders 2 (40 minutes)

and dark souls prepare to die edition (78 minutes)

these times in the games, don't even justify they are my copies, i should be allowed to turn them into gifts imo

some of these games take 100+ hours to complete or experience

nobody can be like oh you experienced the game and got your moneys worth lol

[dusk bluff]

It used to literally use 80% of my CPU while just running in the background. I wasn't the only one. Many people thought it was mining Bitcoin it was so bad. There were other issues I had with it over time that made me only use it to claim the free games and then never touch it again.

[tranquil cove]

yeah it's a bit slow even now, but i think its more on my internet connection than anything else

steam loads faster despite by bad internet

16 core processor doesn't even take a dent from enshrouded

[dusk bluff]

I also don't want to support Epic lol

[tranquil cove]

in fact my 16 core processor didn't even take a dent from the processor test program

which could only bring my processor to 80% usage

and 70 degree max temp after 2 hours

lol

[dusk bluff]

Gaming doesn't need 16 cores though

And how many of the 16 are p cores ?

7800x3d only had 8 cores and is pretty much top gaming cpu

[tranquil cove]

i forget what program i used, its designed to stress processor

[dusk bluff]

Oh you have a rendering cpu

[tranquil cove]

oh its prime95

yeah my processor didn't go above 60c

i think epic is slow, but i dont notice it as much, and i notice internet being slow on it more

like loading images etc

[dusk bluff]

I prefer the x3d variants as they have better gaming perf and cost less typically

Yeah epic is definitely more of a resource hog.

[timber prism]

Does EGS allow you to give away games you played to others?

[dusk bluff]

Epic is worth like 4x what steam is though

Fork knife prints money lol

[finite saffron]

Guys I have a much more important topic of discussion
https://youtu.be/DlPsFEzRTbI?si=Gawzb1YA3FacfE6p

How do I play the new deep rock season without getting scared

[timber prism]

Spotify has a lot of social aspects like end of year metrics like fav artists, songs, hours listened and ranks you against other users. Also you can pick a friend and it will compare your interests and curate Playlists based on similar interests

[misty arch]

https://youtu.be/sNgER9MVNFs?si=Nf4q_fKUuUG5rLYt

[timber prism]

Other music platforms are starting to adopt similar features now due to popularity

[tepid wadi]

I use youtube music just because of legacy effects. Had my library on google music and it got converted into youtube music 🤷‍♀️ Spotify seems better, but I'm too lazy to rebuild my playlists from scratch

[finite saffron]

oh whow that trailer dropped 2 hours ago?

[misty arch]

yep

[timber prism]

I use Spotify for social stuff and new release Friday Playlist. I use Amazon for daily listening and Tidal for critical listening.

[tepid wadi]

Sounds like a lot of upkeep effort

[finite saffron]

I have no idea what the DLC actually is but the aesthetic is cool lol

[tepid wadi]

If it's like other fromsoft DLCs, it'll be like half a game in size 🤷‍♀️

[timber prism]

Yeah its basically a new game xd

With its own collectors edition

[tepid wadi]

I'm not complaining, Elden Ring was excellent, another playthrough will be awesome

[timber prism]

Yeah nothing wrong with more Elden ring. Its a pretty good game

[misty arch]

https://youtu.be/gIWTpB0p5o8?si=ML2EnOR59xQXfjLA

[tranquil cove]

are they really worth more? i didn't know that, steam charges more and has more customers thought they'd be the richer one.

[finite saffron]

Hard to say what the actual platform is worth, as a company epic does a loooooooot of stuff

Valve is mostly just steam, with a couple games

[tranquil cove]

nobody does, if epic did that they'd seal the deal over steam basically. i'm just saying what steam should do if they want to erase epic entirely in features.

like if steam did this, i'd consider steam the best

even over free games on epic

[tepid wadi]

Also remember that Epic owns the Unreal Engine, which is used in a lot of modern games.

[tranquil cove]

yeah which means epic is a real competitor, they have the money to be part of a duopoly for a long time

for all we know in 50 years steam wont even exist lol

and it's just epic

reminds me of demolition man, where taco bell took over as the franchise in california

[finite saffron]

UE alone probably makes crazy money tbh, they take a relatively small cut, but on any project over 1m in gross revenue they take 5% of all profits

Given just how many use the engine, that adds up reaaaaal fast

[tepid wadi]

Yeah definitely. Between that and fortnite? They're making the big bucks for sure.

[finite saffron]

though honestly fortnite probably completely dwarfs whatever they make from UE, it's just so big

[tranquil cove]

who are the other game launchers

ubisoft?

electronic arts? is for sims?

[tepid wadi]

Battlenet, technically

I think EA shut theirs down? Maybe it's still working for some things

[tranquil cove]

oh blizzard, yeah i barely use that or have any games by them

oh explains a lot, it's all the trash games 😄

[tepid wadi]

Technically Riot's launcher is also a multi-game launcher now too

[tranquil cove]

all the competitive shooters and wow

[tepid wadi]

Also gamepass/microsoft store probably fits the bill too

So there's a fair variety of them currently

Steam, EGS and MGS are probably the big ones though, because they're more than "Look at all the games we made" launchers.

[tranquil cove]

they all need to get together to design an app that houses them all with 1 UI

whats MGS

microsoft games?

[tepid wadi]

Microsoft Game Store

I mean... Steam does that. You can add non-steam games to your steam library

[tranquil cove]

oh, yeah but they are only around because of windows

[tepid wadi]

I dunno, xbox is still decently sized

[finite saffron]

In terms of ones that launch all kinds of games, and not just the ones made by the respective company, GOG and Itch are probably the other two main ones that like, actually serve a purpose

There's also the windows store but it just sucks lol

but itch is awesome for indie/solo devs, and GOG is great for people who really hate DRM

[dusk bluff]

We don't talk about that

I only found out about itch due to degen reasons lol

[finite saffron]

Itch is really nice for solo devs who don't want to deal with the fees/authentication of steam, or who want to do a very early release of their project without worrying about their steam reviews tanking from an early build

A lot of solo/indie devs tend to release on itch first to get feedback and test the waters before committing to a steam launch

[tepid wadi]

Makes sense really. You only get one chance at a mainstream launch

[finite saffron]

Yep. It's also good for people who just want to release something and don't expect/care to make any money

A lot of free games or really tiny passion projects are on itch, because dealing with the 100 dollar steam license and stuff isn't worth it if you just threw a little game together for fun or whatever

Buckshot Roulette was a fairly recent and successful example of a hastily thrown together game that was initially released on itch, but after getting a fair bit of attention on there the creator put more work into it and had a steam release, and it is now a fairly famous little indie game https://store.steampowered.com/app/2835570/Buckshot_Roulette/

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Price

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[tranquil cove]

its just silly

that i can buy a game for myself

or i can buy a game to gift it

but that i can't turn the game i bought for myself into a gift

lol

under 2 hour play time for sure should allow us to convert to gift

steam gave us nsfw games before this, i don't want NSFW games, i want better gifting options

[dusk bluff]

The thing is you don't own the game, you own the rights to play the game while they allow you.

This is why physical media has always been superior

[tranquil cove]

gifting is already a thing, you're allowed to buy the rights for someone else

click a button, convert it to gift, rights are removed from my library, it's not hard.

[dusk bluff]

That's completely different. When you buy a digital copy of a game you are buying the rights for YOU only, non transferrable.

[tranquil cove]

but you aren't when you buy a gift

you're talking semantics

[dusk bluff]

Why would they let you do that when they could get someone else to buy it too?

[tranquil cove]

weirdly too

[dusk bluff]

Or make you buy it a second time to gift it.

[candid quiver]

There would be loopholes and logistics pain to solve to gift already bought games

[tranquil cove]

that's what i mean they are greedy

[candid quiver]

Its not that easy either

[tranquil cove]

not really