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tranquil cove
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+60 hours on the HD edition

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so 400 hours

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i guess i don't like skyrim much either

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cause if i really liked it, would easily be 1000 hours

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i should just play new vegas again

vague galleon
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FO4 has a LOT of quality of life upgrades over NV (inventory management) that I definitely need mods for if im going to play NV again.

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the button for "take all from stash" is the same button for "yes to stack amount"

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thats BAD

tranquil cove
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nah, fo4 just has me scrolling 10 pages of inventory mixed up whenever i want to put specific things in a trunk

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it's horrendous

vague galleon
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havent had that issue myself.

tranquil cove
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and if i give items to my companion to equip, and then put in other items for them to carry,

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then i can use the transfer all button

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because it will transfer all their equipped items as well out of their inventory

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maybe because you're not playing vanilla, so you think the game is amazing lol

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and you have 10k carry weight

vague galleon
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i nefver used any mods on FO4

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i use console commands on all the bethesda games, especially for carryweight. if you think i dont have an extra 10k in skyrim and NV as well you're crazy.

tranquil cove
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man the game is so bad

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you dont even shoot or throw things from center of your character

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it's like off to the side, so you need to be clear of debris from the left side of you if you want to shoot through windows or something

vague galleon
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your arms are on your sides.....

tranquil cove
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my gun isnt

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its in front of my character

candid quiver
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Fallout 4 is fine.

Need the full dialogue tree mod,
Inf carry weight mod,
And all the deco and build mods ^^

I did a huge spectacle island (flattened version) build in the past.

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Was a futuristic city with synths and stores and a hotell and club and gardens,
Then i hit engine limits ^^

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Fallout 1, 2, new vegas and 4 are my faves.

vague galleon
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3 was cool for the time but it's abslolutely shown it's age.

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definitely the weakest one.

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one note story, generic list of weapons, lame home base.

tranquil cove
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you cant destroy t45 armor

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you cant scrap it at the armor workbench, the power armor station, or in town by dropping it on the floor

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so you just have tons of useless t45 armor

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the only enjoyable thing about the game is the old concept of exploring a wasteland basically

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pretty much everything else is below standard in some way lol

vague galleon
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honestly, they did an amazing job making the powered armor feel good in FO4

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way better than 3 and NV

candid quiver
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3 was... a bethesda experiment that didnt vibe with me, especially coming from fallout 1 and 2,
And even those was more varied and vibrant in their enviroments then bland dull f3, even when all its bugs was fixed ^^

tranquil cove
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sigh, i exited the barracks and security bot attacked me lol

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thankfully i realized i have 30 frag grenades in inventory i've never used yet, and the thing is too fat to climb.

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everything im fighting has red skull so

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and im only level 10

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still it sucks you cant scrap t45 armor

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what am i supposed to do with all these power armor chassis

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and armors

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another armor

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lol i don't need 10 power armors sitting around

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the game needed a way to scrap them and get parts, and build the pieces, since i only need 1 which i can upgrade to anything

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i think the problem is they made the power armor station an edit only

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i dont think you can create pieces from scratch

tranquil cove
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i guess i can give them different paint jobs

tranquil cove
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i think games have spoiled me over the years, now i can't play 10 year old games as easily maybe

tepid wadi
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Gaming has come a LONG way in the last decade, that's for sure.

dusk bluff
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Anyone hyped for kingdom come deliverance 2?

elfin shale
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Not really. The first game never hooked me.

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And I put a little over 20 hours in, so it's not a case of 'you just didn't play enough to where it becomes good'.

elfin shale
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Lol.

dusk bluff
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I think I had like 80 hours into it

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A game has to be balantly bad for me to complain. Even if games have jank I still love them

tranquil cove
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i've played like zero of the games people posted trailers for here, can't determine if they are bad or good until i play them

elfin shale
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It just comes across like you don't actually like any games at all. Pretty much all you do is complain about how they aren't what you wish they were.

tranquil cove
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i'm also someone who complains this much about a game, and then would give it 7/10 rating, which is still a B. just how i am.

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lol

tranquil cove
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haha

elfin shale
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I don't think anyone enjoys 100% of anything.

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Except maybe good food.

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Lol.

tranquil cove
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yeah that's true, less ambivalence with food i think

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it's usually good or bad

elfin shale
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There is mediocre food that's 'good enough' to eat.

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But not amazing.

tranquil cove
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oh i figured out you can select categories clicking the title on your inventory or using the arrow keys

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so when i was transferring to a chest, i was doing it from ALL items category

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just had to press arrows, to switch to weapons, armor, misc, junk etc.

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for a quicker method of finding what i want lol so that's on me

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though i guess one can argue it was not at all intuitive/obvious in the UI design

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but it exists, so i don't really care if it's obvious, glad it exists

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and yeah playing with console command to let the character carry 1000 lbs of items makes fallout 4 way more enjoyable

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the game just takes getting used to probably

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these tiny arrows i was supposed to notice 😄

rustic nexus
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Anyone seen a game called Anvil Empires?

vague galleon
tranquil cove
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whats the point of armors like this

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it looks nice but it has like stats for first exiting the vault and no way to upgrade it lol

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meanwhile my current armors are layerable and give 38, 60, 20 resists

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game gives me pretty armor so i can have max of 5 physical resist lol

dusk bluff
timber prism
finite saffron
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Very nice, they really seem to be upping their game when it comes to the aesthetic and visuals of the new content, some of those shots were very pretty

tranquil cove
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is it out yet? probably going to hop on friends server and continue our playthrough when it is

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i love the visual style of valheim

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everything else is torture lol

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i also like their different take on monsters, not the tradional expectation of how something might look, or what you expect to face in a game

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still would have preferred spiders over ticks though

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their reason was because people have spider phobias...

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which 90% of the time unless you live in australia, spiders are cute and harmless and beneficial to humans.

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ticks literally attack us, spread disease, and are direct from a horror film... the phobia should obviously be ticks

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on one level it's still neat though, nobody would expect ticks in a game

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but it's also objectively worse than spiders

misty arch
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tepid wadi
tranquil cove
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too bad can't see the gameplay lol

blissful yew
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Few more days for the fallout 4 update, can’t wait for the ultra wide support.. finally!

tranquil cove
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fallout 4 is being weird though where mobs just randomly spawn beside me

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first its 4 mutants

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now it's a deathclaw

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it also did a spawn of 4 mutants and a bunch of raiders

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is this just an area where random stuff spawns lol

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not a fan of spawn mechanics, should just have the stuff on the map already

elfin shale
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That doesn't work on every game engine.

honest valley
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ive never had enemies spawn beside me in fallout 4

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idk if bethesda broke something or its a mod

reef bobcat
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Anybody excited for the valheim ashlands update?

tranquil cove
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for the stuff that was behind me

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and the stuff in front i didn't see spawn, but it only appears when i go in a specific area

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and acts like a patrol

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and it also varies, first time it was 4 super mutants, second time it was 1 deathclaw

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second time the stuff behind me didn't appear either, plus already cleared the area for the length of at least 6 houses

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the game as wierd glitches

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one time i reloaded a save and cars were flying across the map, and some mobs, seemed like some collission issues

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one time i shot a bullet at a car? and it flew away

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not using mods

honest valley
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every time i play fallout 4 this one building is always super laggy and a white box texture covers it even in the openings

tranquil cove
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then reload the save again, same save, and all that stuff doesn't happen

honest valley
tranquil cove
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but the game definitely has some spawn mechanics like i've seen it more obvious with rad roaches

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like a building will be perfectly clear of any mobs

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you enter the house

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suddenly 4 rad roaches appear

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and nothing was hiding outside or on the ceiling or walls

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so they definitely employ spawn mechanics

honest valley
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yeah some mobs seem like they just dont care till you enter

tranquil cove
honest valley
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idk what it is because ive never seen that location without it lol

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just annoying that the supermutants can shoot through it just fine

timber prism
indigo hearth
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The thing is I know they're gonna nerf it to oblivion cus complainers always get what they want

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. They nerfed the previous biome in less than a month

timber prism
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Not officially.. its on a public test server atm right?

tranquil cove
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problem with fallout 4

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is they have some stun mechanic

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so like i can't move and just die

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its like something that happens after a melee hit

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plus this power armor person can melee hit none stop, and they were right beside a hatch i climbed through

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so no controls are useful, who is the genius who designed this game

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the mouse wont function lol

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"let's a make a game where the player has no options except save scumming"

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damni missed the fatman

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im fatmanning close range i dont care anymore

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and that's how it's done, with a fatman to the face. 😄

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uh that's ketchup on the floor

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there was bottles of it around

grand maple
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türk varmı

candid quiver
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Nej, inte idag.

honest valley
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tranquil cove
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looks interesting and unaffordable

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lol

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my issue with dungeons in these games

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is they all look the same

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it's like the same contractors with the same bricks went and built them all

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never really seen an RPG that varied its dungeons that was 3D third/first person

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enough so that all dungeons don't all feel the same

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like if you have 100 different dungeons you need 100 different bricks, and who is going to do that.

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or hundreds of different textures, perhaps different gradients of soil/rock types

tepid wadi
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Well, i don't think you need 100 different bricks. You can build your game in such a way that it makes sense that some dungeons are designed similarly. By the same group/civilization, natural caves, etc.

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Like in Elder Scrolls games, you have regular caves, bandit caves, dweomer ruins, crypts, etc

tranquil cove
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or perhaps don't even go with your traditional cave dungeon, or fortress dungeon, maybe do one in the ethreal plane, like BG2 had a view places like that

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elder scrolls is the problem

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skyrim has this generic feeling to all dungeons

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oblivion was worse though

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BG2 had the most unique places imo

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beholder lairs, magical planes, wizard towers, underdark, ocean cities

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so i guess if most dungeons feel generic, add a few quests that really take you interesting places

tepid wadi
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"They all look the same" and "not enough variety for me" are pretty different statements.

I think for the Elder Scrolls comparison, it's not really even about the look of the dungeon, it's about the mechanics. Bethesda games always struggle to make engaging content, their combat is so generic, so no matter how different a given dungeon looks, they all feel the same to play.

tranquil cove
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well there also wasnt enough variety in the mobs you face

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a lot of dungeons in skyrim just had the same type of enemy most of the time

tepid wadi
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Sure, but you still had pretty varied "armies". You had bandits, daera, undead, dweomer stuff, beasts... There's a lot of variety

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But the actual engagement is low, because you fight them all the exact same way

tranquil cove
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i remember one side quest in bg2 was you fast travel, and get waylaid by enemy, and they are all horrible monsters, and you kill them, and the battle is epic hard

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and then you find out there was an illusion spell, and they were knights of a holy order and now you're basically framed for their murder.

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and they were seeing you as monsters too

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so i think it's also just the makeup of quests and how battles happen that was more interesting in BG2

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for me personally

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someone would write what i just described as a main quest of a game

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no buddy, it was just an insignificant side quest 😄

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that's how much i think writing has changed

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lol

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never winter nights had some nice moments

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the original game

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anyway wayward realms looks like it could be good, but was just reminded of the dungeon thing

honest valley
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if it does end up being like a modern TES Daggerfall i think it would be pretty good

cedar moss
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Did the alpha for pax dei, there is NO NDA for that. The game is like Enshrouded but not nearly as good. you can't terraform. you have to find plots of land that have the workbenches there already for you. if the plots of land are taken by another person you have to go find a different one. I spent 4 hours just trying to look for a plot of land to build and i cannot. you can't build anything or do anything in that game without a workbench.

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That has to be the most terrible experience i have ever had on a video game. I mean lawd for hours i was just running around getting killed by bears just trying to "Start" the game essentially. First thing most building games do is like "build your workbench!" and yeah impossible.

tepid wadi
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I played it for a little bit earlier and it didn't seem that bad. It's different from Enshrouded in that it's an MMO, so that's a pretty significant difference, heh.

It also seems like they're going for a "slow burn" sort of gameplay where everything takes a lot of effort to do. That may or may not work depending on how they have everything balanced.

cedar moss
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Thats what mmo's do when it comes to slow burn lol. However yeah, i literally looked for 4 hours for a plot to even build and was not able to. no terraforming, i dunno that game is like well hell imho the game looks fantastic honestly but everything else, can't terraform, looking for hours to claim a plot that is taken, its terrible. i won't ever be playing that again.

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Honestly, the diablo 3 launch was better than that. ughhh that was so frustrating lol whew okay i'm better i think ;/ i had to seriously vent that

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Makes you appreciate Enshrouded tenfold more.

tranquil cove
cedar moss
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Ooof, the dev in there took a screen shot of part of the map and was like "This area has no plots." so i did as they stated and went there (not bragging i got a pretty good pc so it didn't take long to load like 12 seconds) and they were all taken. that was shocking to me.

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I rage quit that, started enshrouded, placed an alter and then another and another just to feel relief LOL

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Ultima online though.... that is a super amazing game

tranquil cove
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the only way to really fix that issue but keep it open world without instances, is have procedural map generation that is practically infinite, but only loads in sections at a time. and the ability to build towns so you can even have your house next to a town.... because you made the town. and then have a means of travel for players to get there fast. basically it's what the new no mans sky game is doing.

cedar moss
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I just don't feel there was another game like that one.

cedar moss
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i actually have an amazing idea for base creating and base building game with a super RPG element liek skyrime

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skyrim* wow jesus fingers are dumb today. But what i'm thinking is that, Each person gets their own plot of land. A massive one. However, have some form of waypoint system in there to reduce the load dramatically and figure out a way to interconnect bases? (this is what happens when you're not a dev and don't really know how to describe shishkabobs)

limpid imp
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A new game is in development,
https://www.mithrall.com/
It should be good 🙂

Mithrall
Mithrall

A new Survival MMO sandbox openworld game in a fantasy dwarven world, where you will shape the word the way you want it to be, wishlist now !

cedar moss
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Ahh yeah i've seen that and interested

tepid wadi
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I've got a firm belief that terraforming in an MMO is impossible. Simply because of the griefing potential.

tranquil cove
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you just do some minimal terraforming rules

finite saffron
tranquil cove
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so people don't build giant phallic objects out of dirt

limpid imp
finite saffron
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Oh if you mean players drawing phallic objects and stuff, yeah that's completely inevitable. You can't stop that with manual moderation, just doesn't scale enough

tranquil cove
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you don't need permission systems?

cedar moss
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I mean, terraforming in an mmo is possible for sure

tepid wadi
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Even with permission systems, people will do their uptmost to grief things. Not just around other people's bases, but inescapable trenches, reserved area blocking off important zones or areas, etc. There's a ton of potential for griefing.

tranquil cove
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you setup world rules with coding, can't terraform near player houses, can't terraform near towns, or roads, dungeons etc.

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and you set limits to scale of terraforming

finite saffron
tranquil cove
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plus you can balance terraforming with destruction mechanics

tepid wadi
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Yeah, the restrictions that you have to put in it make it so that mostly it's not even worth having. So is it worth the effort to build a terraforming system that you can only use a little bit of? Probably not. Better to make more valuable systems for players and just not have terraforming be a thing.

tranquil cove
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or you know if someone digs a huge trench probably can have methods to bridge them fast

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build bridges

cedar moss
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Yeah for every action there is a reaction and this is why i like the option of being able to take off a password and apply one.

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Sometimes i wanna play enshrouded and have a smooth experience

tranquil cove
# tepid wadi Yeah, the restrictions that you have to put in it make it so that mostly it's no...

it depends, if the rules of the game are that the very nature of placing a foundation/house or whatever prevents terraforming, you actually don't have to do much except code that in, then wherever the dev builds a city it's already automatically protected... and cities and roads and dungeons take up like 20% of a map, thats still like 80% of a map free to terraform, and presumably you're okay with "anything goes" in those areas.

cedar moss
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sometimes i wanna just experience chaos.

finite saffron
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Building restriction systems will also inevitably be weaponized, in rust players call that "building TCs", you go around and place a bunch of tiny but strong items around someones base you want to grief, which costs very little resources but gives you a huge range of land that you "own" around their base

So basically you can just surround someones base in these things and stop them from expanding for very little cost, and it's a much bigger investment for them to remove them than it was for you to place them.

tranquil cove
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if your game was to already have a structural system like valheim then that could aid in preventing outrageous things,

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and then also terraforming usually already comes with rules based on the tools capabilities (ie a hoe or whatever)

tranquil cove
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anyone can still build

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i'm not like working out the rules for a build system lol

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back in ultima online you placed whole ready built homes down, that cost about 6 months of grinding dungeons in income to buy.

cedar moss
tranquil cove
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for all we know a foundation is so expensive the rust mechanic of blocking players building will never exist

cedar moss
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That game was called Age of Wushu LOL let me tell youuuuuuu pay 2 win but wow

finite saffron
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There's quite a few games like that actually

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Rust, Albion online, and Eve online to name some of the biggest ones

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Basically no rules games where everything goes for the most part

tranquil cove
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yeah i was about to say rust wants those mechanics

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so they exist

cedar moss
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Luckily i think i met a lot of respectful people on Eve and i didn't get rekt... but i do know others really really did.

tranquil cove
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rust is all about cheap ways to kill people

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it's not an investment game, it's quickest to pvp game, and then server wipe.

finite saffron
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Yeah it doesn't necessarily mean the players are all jerks (though in rust, they definitely are), it just means what happens is mostly decided by the players themselves

tranquil cove
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nothing i do in rust would mean anything to me because the server gets wiped

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and you start being lame all over again

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like a cycle

cedar moss
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LOL yeah thats probably a good reason why basebuilding and terraforming MMO's really arent a thing. some form of grief happens or even just a random error and everyones building is lost

tranquil cove
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rust basically dealt with overpopulation/homes existing forever through decay and server wipes

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and even forcefully punishing those who are afk, with ways to block off building of a base, base destruction, etc.

finite saffron
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Yeah loot based pvp games either need wipes (rust, tarkov), or they need extremely robust loot sink systems (albion, eve), and even then they often don't quite get it perfect and there's still inflation.

cedar moss
tranquil cove
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thats basically what happens

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in ultima online they also had the option of selling your bases

cedar moss
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Back in the day of Unreal Tournament and Quake III Arena, the reward was the kill. Now it's loot. time changes.

tranquil cove
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to other players

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so you could transfer homes etc.

cedar moss
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yeah i know that for sure i love Ultima online lol

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I'm still shocked we don't have an upcoming UE5 Ultima online.

tranquil cove
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i could imagine a new fallout game

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allowing the player to build a motorcycle

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and ride it through wasteland

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and it would fit as a mechanic because now games can have triple map size they had back then

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just because i see this nice motorcycle in fallout 4

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plus they have a survival mode where you can't fast travel, and no player made saves

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motorcycle travel in a bigger game would fit well with that mode since you might need a faster method to get around

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a bit like borderlands i guess, where they have buggies

misty arch
lilac adder
tranquil cove
tepid wadi
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I've been keeping a loose eye on it, it looks like it could be good

tranquil cove
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someone gave it a negative review and basically said 'because sail games' lol

tepid wadi
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I mean, Snail Games does have a habit of releasing promising looking games and then abandoning them.

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RIP Dark and Light

tranquil cove
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thankfully i don't pay attention deeply to who a developer is, though that works both if they have many good games or a few bad games...

tranquil cove
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thankfully i haven't bought an ea yet that got abandoned

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they say the developer abandoned last oasis

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but this developer made ark survival? that's a fairly well known game that didn't get abandoned?

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i kinda want to see a dinotopia game

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too bad nobody is doing a dinosaur RPG

elfin shale
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I haven't trusted the deveoloper of Ark since they decided to start selling paid content for a game they still had in early access.

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Finish your game before releasing additional content that you expect people to pay for.

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It's also why I haven't looked into Star Citizen.

tranquil cove
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imagine a game like skyrim, but you travel an island, where dinosaurs are sentient beings, and go on quests and do different stuff, combine it with tomb raider mechanics, and fantastical landscapes... and the different cultures of actual dinotopia world... where sabertooth clans were in the cold mountains, and t-rex's were basically still dangerous, and velociraptors too...i forget what the plot of the actual dinotopia books were usually, i think it was 1800s and you didn't have technology to escape the storms around the island to get back home, so part of the plot was finding dinotopia tech, and powering it, maybe a submarine.

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they were powered by crystals

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i want a game like MYST

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was a cool puzzle game back in the 90s

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i could see different influences of Myst and like tomb raider in a dinotopia game

elfin shale
tranquil cove
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LOL

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yeah but with dinotopia you could add mystery of myst, with the physical exploration of tomb raider (climbing etc), and the action of other games (fighting dangerous dinosaurs), could even have going down rapids, and flying a petradactyl... entering waterfall city and talking to dinosaurs to get quests, and maybe even solve some of the islands/residents problems changing the island etc. could even have sandbox survival aspects.

elfin shale
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You mentioning Myst reminded me of that game that I'd seen a few months back. Lol.

tranquil cove
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and there is a ton of lore already written in books basically.

elfin shale
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I'm curious to see more of that Jurassic Park Survival game.

tranquil cove
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dinotopia already has all the concept art lol

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obviously game studio would have to work with the original creator

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James Gurney

elfin shale
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Would they though? They could just offer him a bunch of money and use his work as a basis.

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Like CDPR did with the Witcher.

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Lmao.

tranquil cove
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if they thought they could make a good game, but it's better to involve original creator, he might even do it basically for a regular salary, the chance to have a modern game of his ideas might be worth it in itself.

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games have come long way since 1995 😄

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i wonder if its legal to make a game based on a book without needing authors permission

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maybe james gurney just gave these people permission ?

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they talk about games in aftermath section

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the problem with all of these, is the people who took up doing a game or mini series

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were out of their league entirely at the time

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but today we could make a game or tv show that brings the paintings to life, every little detail

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it just wasn't possible in all these earlier attempts

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besides lacking graphic ability or cgi, they also lacked the ability to do the scope of dinotopia

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which would be quite harder to do than jurassic park

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plus the tons of tech/lore made for the island

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and different cultures...

tepid wadi
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A solid dinotopia game would be amazing. RPG, MMO, Survival, whatever. That was my childhoood and I'd love to see it realized in a way that worked.

tranquil cove
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what's cool about dinotopia is that it's not just "okay dinosaurs and humans living together", and now spread that around the island generically.

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they have their own technology, and even a history of how that technology developed and came to be... from different survivors who crashed on the island sometimes.

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they have different cultures/groups within the dinosaurs/humans

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since there are different dinosaurs, they all do things differently - sometimes in part based on environment... (ie snow part of the island vs. tropical part).

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so it could actually be an incredibly in depth game

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i read a ton of the books and i loved them, like the sort of for teens chapter books

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(one of the few things i can't criticize lol)

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maybe because i loved it when i was a kid

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and i was less of a butt head then 😆

tepid wadi
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Yeah, and if they did stuff with "the world beneath" with the power crystals abd stuff? Hell yeah that could be awesome.

reef bobcat
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time for a funneh mem

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hahaha..ha....ha

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help me

lunar flame
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First time I played Skyrim was only 20 minutes.... I still have only 20 minutes playtime on record.

reef bobcat
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I'm border(get it?)line addicted.

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I've only been playing skyrim for 2 YEARS!!!

lunar flame
reef bobcat
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bruh...

tranquil cove
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$60 wasted

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wish i could gift the entire game to someone else

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still holding out for the day steam allows us to gift our purchased games

lunar flame
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2,899.9 hours on Space Engineers. 😛

tranquil cove
#

space engineers is both good and terrible

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but i guess they have engine limitations, but it was funny for awhile how they fixed issues, by just disabling features entirely

lunar flame
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Yarp.

tranquil cove
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i have 900 hours in SE

lunar flame
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Then they burn money on the flop that is the Xbox version...

tranquil cove
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also a game where they banned me from their discord 😄

lunar flame
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Then they burn EVEN MORE money with this stupid AI farce they are carrying on about....

lunar flame
tranquil cove
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lol

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i actually forget the reason, it was something dumb

tranquil cove
lunar flame
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Who's the guy that does ship reviews?

tranquil cove
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i had a small ship with like 18 small rail guns on it, and ablative armor.

lunar flame
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Did he cover one of your creations?

tranquil cove
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and it was strong enough to basically take on large ships

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and could survive being shot by large ship railguns

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it was good

tranquil cove
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doubt it

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i also make drills that support themselves on 3 axis

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because they are easier to fly

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though i know people prefer 2 axis and automated drills

lunar flame
# tranquil cove doubt it

He seems to be pretty good at communicating with people, so I'd assume you would know for sure. 😛

tranquil cove
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been like 3 or more years since i was in their discord

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i just wrote them off community wise, still like the game though lol

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my memory is pretty bad, i even forget what happened

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i really want to rebuild my railgun small ship

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i lost the save file for the rebuild, so i have an old version of it that i need to do heavy edits on to get it to where it was 😦

lunar flame
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Yeah, the Discord is toxic AF.

misty arch
tranquil cove
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oh riven

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like MYST

timber prism
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playing that game as a little kid was pretty fantastic in the 90s XD

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MYST, not Riven

lilac adder
timber prism
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Played a bit of Hades 2 today... its pretty much Hades DLC

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it feels just as good though

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Pax Dei was super disappointing T_T

lilac adder
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probably an unpopular opinion but there is no good mmo :/

reef bobcat
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warframe

coarse mango
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they feared a power-creep but they got feature-creep

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lots of systems half finished

tidal osprey
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The term MMO has been butchered.

dusk bluff
mortal lily
elfin shale
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But 'MMO' as a standalone term accurately fits with a lot of games that claim to be MMOs.

coarse mango
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well...MMO = massively multiplayer online. Some games use that as a selling point even though you can play at most with 4 other players at same time in instanced dungeons...such as warframe

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the only time you have more than 5 players in the same place at the same time is in relays

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other games play on the definition on "massively"...how much is that exactly? for some games it's 10

elfin shale
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I think that most MMOs are games where there's thousands of people connected to the server and capable of interacting beyond just matchmaking. Warframe may only allow you to team up with 4 players in a group, but you interact with other players in ways beyond just doing the content that the game has to offer.

neon sleet
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The Massive part could also just refer to the size of content available, number of players one could interchange with, or even just refer to its popularity.

Though it SHOULD only be used for games that can be played simultaneously with 10+ people

neon sleet
elfin shale
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Tell that to trading/marketplace in the game.

neon sleet
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Yea, the people who do little more than hoard, oversell, and don't do business unless it's what they're asking for.
Lots of options there.

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saaaaarcasmmmmm!

tranquil cove
#

the potential is you can play with others, most don't.

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whenver people do the quest grinds to gain levels in mmos like new world and wow, they do it solo

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they might interrupt their quest grinding to do a mp activity though, or to like kill a player with 3 other people 4 v 1 lol

elfin shale
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But that doesn't mean they aren't interacting with other poeple via stuff like global chat etc.

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Just because they aren't actively playing with other people, doesn't mean they aren't interacting with them.

tranquil cove
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yeah but gobal chats often feel like a mini game within a game

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i played another multipler online game and we often joke that people logon to play the chat, since they are typing so much they aren't playing the game

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in fact for some players the chat is the only reason they logon and the game is boring lol

tepid wadi
#

So a couple buddies and I have been playing the pax dei alpha, and that's actually one of the things we like about it. The crafting is so slow and resource intensive that it's caused us to actually split up our focuses and do different crafts. In most games, we just kinda do our own thing since it's so easy to progress everything at once, but since it takes SO many resources to do thing in pax dei, it's made us actually think about how we progress as a group.

I think the game will probably lose a lot of people because of the slowness, but for us it's made it significantly more enjoyable.

timber prism
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MMOs can be played single player but only if you don't care about certain content. Like good luck doing a raid solo

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Raids are often end game loop content in most mmos that offer them

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What you enjoy @tepid wadi is exactly what I dislike about that game. I think its intention was to force interaction between strangers but it will still be accomplished within groups

tepid wadi
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Yeah, it's definitely not very single-player friendly. I also am not sure how we'll it'll work with the PvP aspect of the game that they want to encourage.

timber prism
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I think if the combat was better you could have like dedicated crafting guilds

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To feed loot to people who dont

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But the combat is so ass

tranquil cove
#

ultima was pretty grindy, you had to leave a macro on for 3 days to level up some skills to 100.

tepid wadi
#

Their 'improved' combat definitely doesn't quite hit the mark yet.

timber prism
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That its going to be very niche

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Oh. That was improved???

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Thats not good lmao

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At least its still very early on for them

tranquil cove
#

combat usually sucks as soon as you add stun mechanics

tepid wadi
#

Well, I think in the last alpha they didn't even have combat?

tranquil cove
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though there going to be pvpers who disagree, but i'll call them gen z's

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lol

timber prism
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But yeah. When your very first process takes 20 minutes and copper took what 40 minutes per ingot?

tepid wadi
#

Iron takes an hour to smelt, but you smelt it 20 bars at a time, so it's not really too bad. It just slows you down from progressing as quickly.

timber prism
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The storage is a nightmare atm too

tepid wadi
#

The storage definitely needs work, stack sizes are obnoxiously small.

timber prism
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Like whoever thought stacks of 10 was okay when you craft 5 at a time lmao

tepid wadi
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When you have to craft 1000 wooden beams to build a house, them stacking to 5 is garbo

tranquil cove
#

couple of hours to have iron armor isn't a big deal imo

timber prism
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Lol yeah

tranquil cove
#

the test for a game is how far you progress playing casually for 6 months

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not how long it takes to grind something out in 24 hours

timber prism
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The long process times is definitely going to make pvp worth tho

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Since its full loot drop

tepid wadi
#

Also I think it makes me feel a lot more accomplished to build a house when it takes a crazy amount of effort to make something nice.

tranquil cove
timber prism
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You claim a plot or two when you first get in game

tranquil cove
#

in ultima you could hide besides someones door, pickpocket their key, then kill them, and enter their home, change the locks.

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so all their work becomes yours lol

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and they rage quit the game

timber prism
#

And you set perms. It can't be taken from you at least in starter zones

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Ultima had really dumb stuff like just being able to hack into homes bc they didn't have a roof

tepid wadi
#

Yeah, you can't steal houses. They have kind of a "red zone" idea where a lot of the land for low tier ingredients is peaceful no PvP, and then you go into the red zone to get the rarer stuff and it's PvP enabled.

tranquil cove
#

people had a few methods to prevent it, one was to setup courtyards of tents outside your home entrance and have the only recall rune to that spot, nobody could get inside the tent courtyard. the other method was appear at your house without the key, and run around see if you run into something invisible. or cast reveal spell.

tepid wadi
#

If you wanted, you could probably never PvP and just buy things from people who go into the red zone.

tranquil cove
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before UO split into trammel (pve) and felucia (pvp), it was just felucia, but towns were safe zones.

tepid wadi
#

They also have kind of an interesting "village" mechanic, where if you place your plot adjacent to someone else's, you get more building space. So it encourages you to build little communities

timber prism
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But like you said Zerax. That game isn't single player friendly at all

tranquil cove
#

but even in towns you could get pickpocketed 😄

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AND then you have to chase the thief in town and kill them

timber prism
#

Like it feels mandatory to play with a group to get any progress done

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Even before interacting with strangers for econ purposes

tepid wadi
#

Well that or just be happy with slower progress

tranquil cove
elfin shale
#

I think stun mechanics are needed because of the way people jump around like morons in most PvP in MMOs.

tepid wadi
#

Well, the red zone isn't like scattered near the build zones, you definitely have to go to it

timber prism
#

It just feels like unnecessary time sinks

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I think there needs to be a balance in time invested to progress

tranquil cove
#

imo they should have made the community thing opt in, so if i turn it off on my house settings nobody can place a home near mine... but then they will run out of plots fast since i assume their world has finite land..

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they didn't solve finite land issue

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so they will always have problems

elfin shale
#

This is the problem with sandbox MMO games.

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Players are always going to ruin the experience.

tepid wadi
#

Yeah, landgrab is always an issue

elfin shale
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Lmao.

timber prism
#

100% but that makes it fun

tepid wadi
#

Also, having server merges and stuff if the population falls can be rough with player built housing.

timber prism
#

Land grabbing key spots makes land have value

tranquil cove
#

it just looks ugly after a few months

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you see like 20 custom houses beside each other with all manner of wierd decorations

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it looked so bad in ultima lol

elfin shale
#

But it also punishes smaller groups playing together with friends, or people who simply don't care to play the game with others.

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That's why games like that will always end up niche, with small playerbases.

timber prism
#

Yeah

elfin shale
#

And that usually means they are viewed as commercial failures.

timber prism
#

Pax dei will 100% have a very small playerbase

elfin shale
#

So they end up kind of in maintenance mode.

timber prism
#

Probably same size as Gloria Victus

tranquil cove
#

when i went back to Ultima i joined a player run server that was trying to bring back 1998 uo, pre T2A rules. And the server had 9 people.

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After 2 years of recruiting people into my guild the server had 200 people, basically solely because of me.

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and about 120 of them were in my guild

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it's possible to grow these small games you just need good community and player retention.

elfin shale
#

200 people after 2 years would not be enough player retention for a studio to even keep the servers running these days.

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Lol.

tranquil cove
#

well different circumstances, uo much more dead, and I could only grab who showed up, the rest was up to the server advertising.

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still impressive though, because i grew my guild, the pks had people to kill

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the PK guild grew from 10, to 60 people

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and other offshoot guilds started

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and i'd say the other big contributor was the game master who ran events none stop

elfin shale
#

Even if a niche game like that can grow, it will never grow to rival the top level games in the genre though.

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A game like Pax Dei will never hit numbers like FFXIV or WOW.

tranquil cove
#

basically it snowballed because a few people did some good things

tepid wadi
#

I don't think most games are aiming to have the playerbase of those games. Most are comfortable with like 10-20k active players

elfin shale
#

When it's meant to be an MMO, they probably want more than that.

tranquil cove
#

if a nich game could grow from 10 to 200, with 1 player retention a day basically (since that was 200 online at a time)..

then a game like pax dei if they have 1000 players, could grow to 100,000 i believe, under the best circumstances, and everyone working together.

elfin shale
#

But they shoot themselves in the foot by trying to do things that only really appeal to a niche audience.

tranquil cove
#

pretty sure wow has 8 million active users? for some reason they wont say how many are currently online.

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so 612,997 login to play each day

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out of 130 million subscribed

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lol

tepid wadi
#

Yeah, having a small, dedicated player base is more valuable than a huge disconnected one. Especially for a full loot PvP game. If they do enough things that players like, then they'll get a reasonable amount of people joining in I'd bet.

misty arch
finite saffron
#

I uh... think whoever wrote that article is misinformed. That's how it always worked

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You could not play an early access game for dozens of hours and then refund it

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Ohhh, they mean pre-release access

misty arch
#

its talking about EA releases

finite saffron
#

Ah I see, so if a game has a pre-order bonus that lets you play it X days early, you can no longer play that for more than 2 hours and then refund it

finite saffron
# misty arch its talking about EA releases

The article is, but whoever wrote that article is wrong. The steam post they linked to in their own article doesn't say that https://steamcommunity.com/games/593110/announcements/detail/4195741362094579141

Steam :: Steam News :: Steam Refund Policy Update

Today we have updated a portion of our Refund Policy regarding pre-purchased titles. This change covers titles that are in pre-purchase and offer “Advanced Access”. Playtime acquired during the Advanced Access period will now count towards the Steam refund period. You can find our more information regarding Steam Refunds here.

#

You've never been able to play early access titles for more than 2 hours and then refund them, they've always worked the same as full release titles in that regard

#

Realistically this doesn't impact a ton of titles, but it means if you buy one of those games that has like a, 3 day early access beta or whatever for preordering, you need to treat it like a full game now

timber prism
#

I would be surprised if more than 10k players stay after a month

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Which is fine. It just doesn't really feel like a mmo at that point

tranquil cove
#

the 14 day rule is more strict because after that people got paid and money got moved and they can't refund

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if you played a game 3 hours for example, and just say you spent 3 hours in starter area or making a character, or bug fixing a crash, you can often get a refund

timber prism
#

Sometimes they bend the rules

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I know people got refunds on archeage after sitting in a 14 hour queue to get into the game

tranquil cove
#

depends they probably look at your achievements, and the scope of the game if it's 200 hour investment game, and you have no achievements and 3 hours only, etc.

#

i've found the steam staff never bent on the 14 day rule though

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the TOS basically says they are under no obligation to refund if you play more than 2 hours... so it's really their discretion after that. you're risking it.

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but also if you ask for steam wallet money they might be more likely to refund too

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since the money gets tied up in steam now, meaning you'll purchase something else 😄

sullen crane
#

Yes steam support bends the rules it just depends on what agent u get with. It always depends on who’s doing your ticket . I have called many support centers and got different results with different agents

finite saffron
#

So saying "they will now be treated the same" doesn't make any sense, they already were. The person who wrote that article misread/misunderstood what Steam actually said

finite saffron
tranquil cove
#

haha

tranquil cove
#

that's actually funny

dusk bluff
tranquil cove
#

all that pent up rage for not being allowed to vote

#

minute she spots a criminal it's unleashed

tranquil cove
#

i never liked red dead redemption 2

#

everyone attacks you just because you have a weapon drawn

#

the world doesn't work like that

#

maybe if they fixed their AI to behave properly and not attack you at the sight of a gun it would be better

#

like even if you're holding a gun and approach someone in woods, chances are if you were a robber you would have shot them before they saw you coming, plus the context of what you say next matters... they might be startled or draw their gun, but they wont threaten to shoot you unless they are already bad lol

#

in rock stars game everyone is just trigger happy though and if you defend yourself after they shoot first you get criminal penalty funny but not accurate to wild west

#

3rd attempt trying to play this game

#

and closing out again lol

#

wish i could gift this game to someone and get it out of my library 😦

#

ugh come on steam add used game gifting

reef bobcat
timber prism
#

XD

#

if i had a gun and some random was going around pointing guns at people.. i would shoot them

dusk bluff
timber prism
#

right? XD

#

you walk into a saloon with your guns drawn.. someone ( me ) is gonna shoot you so fast XD

tranquil cove
#

that's not how the wild west even worked

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especially if someone had a gun drawn and you didn't, you wouldn't be so quick to try and draw and shoot them

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since they could be extremely fast, and already have the advantage

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but also people just don't go around murdering people because they have a gun in their hands

#

the other person needs intent to kill, or has to have fired first... for all you know they are a marshal

#

hence why only a criminal would probably be dumb enough to shoot someone who had a gun out, just because they are murderers already, so they'd probably shoot you if your gun was out or not.

dusk bluff
#

Someone pointing a gun at me is intent to kill enough

timber prism
#

^

#

who points guns at people? XD

tranquil cove
#

so RD2 AI works on pointing? but if you have the gun out it's okay?

timber prism
#

just casually without the intent do something

dusk bluff
#

Western was a lawless time the sheriff's were a joke people took law into their own hands.

timber prism
#

this is exactly why people dueled eachother w/o a sherrif

tranquil cove
#

if it works on pointing, that makes some sense

timber prism
#

sheriff*

tranquil cove
#

but if it's just that i have a gun out, it would be pretty silly

dusk bluff
#

Most people have guns if someone has their gun out that's sketchy and worriesome

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Like shit we all have guns why are you walking around without it holstered

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To me that means you want to be able to shoot me first

tranquil cove
#

i mean i was hunting deer and ran up on someone, and he was like come sit down, and then as soon as he saw me he freaked out, and drew his gun, which is fine, but when i selected to diffuse situation, he just started shooting lol

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cause i didn't run away in time by then

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and even though he shot first and we were in wilderness, i got -1 red person symbol

dusk bluff
#

Maybe he didn't see you had a gun out until you were closer and then he was like wtf why didn't you put that away before you talked to me

tranquil cove
#

which i assume is some sort of negative karma...

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in wild west if someone shoots first, you can always kill them, but also in middle of nowhere you should be losing zero karma

dusk bluff
#

Hence the why are you walking around with your gun out. You want to shoot me first.

tranquil cove
#

lol

dusk bluff
#

But yes if no one else was around you shouldn't lose karma.

tranquil cove
#

but i did point gun at him

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because you need to point to start text options

#

LOL

dusk bluff
#

Did you kill him?

tranquil cove
#

yeah

#

he shot first

#

lol

#

he basically died because i wanted to talk to him

dusk bluff
#

2 things. Either it glitched because you shouldn't be able to lose rep if no one saw you do it. Or the game sees it as negative impact because you "threatened him" and he did self defense.

#

Not saying it is correct but that's gotta be the only explanations I can see lol

tranquil cove
#

well i was learning controls again so i just reloaded old save

#

but i think its gonna be a big problem if everyone attacks me just because i have gun out

#

diffuse text option did nothing

#

like they should freak out, and if i select diffuse and put my gun away, they should calm down

#

unless they are evil aligned

dusk bluff
#

The game is known for hilarious glitches so could just be that

#

Maybe he was a evil hunter! He wanted you to get closer to murder you!

tranquil cove
#

no cause he gave me option to run he made it seem like i was the bad guy

dusk bluff
#

Run so he could shoot you in the back

#

Haha

tranquil cove
#

haha

dusk bluff
#

I haven't played in quite some time I played when it first released on PS4 and it was for sure buggy

#

But I am a huge rdr fan. I loved red dead revolver so much as a kid.

tranquil cove
#

i barely played .1% of the game

#

but for some reason can't get into it

dusk bluff
tranquil cove
#

lots of controls lol

#

im seeing people who know the game getting confused with controls

#

and forgetting things

vague galleon
#

i only played the multiplayer but got bored. gtao was more fun

timber prism
#

RDR2 story was really good

#

Just played again recently and it was a great time

misty arch
tranquil cove
#

it's actually corks i'm guessing

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but sounds pretty funny

#

then again it does say the game has 'sexual content' 🤔

#

hopefully cork is the currency like bottlecaps

#

or did he mean quarks

dusk bluff
vague galleon
#

ya. but playing with friends.

tranquil cove
#

i used to have friends, but then i took an arrow to the knee and they all left me behind

#

why is my fallout download an upda.... oh my god it's time, it's the 25th! it's here!

#

looks like a 6 gig update

lilac adder
#

those who play grounded...why is the game good? I like vlahiem and am on the edge of buying and playing...

tepid wadi
#

It's "Honey I shrunk the kids" the survival game. It's got a very lighthearted tone and a decent story, the building and mechanics of the game are super solid. I haven't played it in quite a while but it was enjoyable.

#

another similarly-themed one that I enjoyed was Smalland

hollow barn
#

Sadly the devs lost their path with smalland, the initial EA was awsome

tranquil cove
#

people said grounded is too grindy

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but i dunno the person who told me that never played valheim before lol

#

honey i shrunk the kids, good movie

hollow barn
#

Ng+ is too grindy yes but the base game is the opposite of grindy

tepid wadi
#

I haven't played Smalland since the EA release, so I don't know too much about what has changed

tranquil cove
#

oh maybe grounded has dlc

tepid wadi
#

NG+ is when you beat the base game and it allows you to "reset" the game and go through it again, usually while keeping some level of the power you've gained over the playthrough. Usually items/levels will stick with you and enemies will get harder.

Some games go the extra mile and change features/encounters and things in NG+ playthroughs so that you get nasty surprises when you're expecting certain things.

#

The idea has been around for a long time, it's popular with games that have pretty clear vertical progression like Souls games

candid quiver
#

It was a thing in Kung Fu. For the Nes.

tepid wadi
#

Yeah, every game does it a bit differently, but the idea is "play through the game again, but harder this time" People do souls games up to like NG+15 and stuff, but they crazy

candid quiver
#

I remember this cus an adult friend fooled me that there was a secret at ng 200 or something (tho it wasnt called ng then) 🤬

tepid wadi
#

lol, sounds like something an older cousin or something would do

candid quiver
#

I never made it that long tho lol

#

Yeah ^^

tepid wadi
#

My main problem with NG+ playthroughs is usually you're already at the apex of power so you don't really have any progression left to do and it gets boring

tranquil cove
#

it's a fine mechanic, i usually ignore it unless the incentives are really good

#

but take valheim, i replayed it from beginning 3 times now

#

so i have 3 fully made characters

#

if they have NG+ system i would have just used that instead of making a new char each time

quaint cosmos
#

you are your own recovery squad

tepid wadi
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Yeah, I've done Valheim a bunch of times because we did a hardcore race playthrough

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I love how clean valheim's progression system is

tranquil cove
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but then again the only reason i played valheim 3 times is because the game isn't done

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if the game was finished and i got it, i don't really know if id play through it 3 times

azure minnow
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i love how there's soooo many resources in enshrouded though, makes the magic chests so much more valuable/effective.

tranquil cove
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i'm usually a one and done person

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only reason i really went back to skyrim or fallout 4, is because i never finished those games lol

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RD2 i never even started, and its been sitting in my library

quaint cosmos
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I never head of someone with a AAA game not touched yet in their library

tepid wadi
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I've had witcher 3 for years but haven't ever loaded it up 🤷‍♀️

tranquil cove
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i feel that

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lol

candid quiver
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Ive been wanting to refund my RDR2 🤢 since forever

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Was over 2 hours to get 'into the game' sadly

tranquil cove
quaint cosmos
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I feel the same, but with Skyrim. I could not get into first person hack n slash games.

candid quiver
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I tried it but it feelt too much like a boys club game in the end

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I should have anticipated that and not bought it

quaint cosmos
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steam really needs more Demo releases

tranquil cove
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game set in 1800s a boy club? 😅

tepid wadi
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Demos seem to be making a comeback with the nextfest and stuff

candid quiver
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Demo with like 1 hour slice further into the game, or such

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RDR2 had hours of prologue so didnt get to refund it

quaint cosmos
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i hear the same for Star Citizen or something.

candid quiver
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I still try once every year, hoping someone at steam will take pity and see ive not touched it since =/

tepid wadi
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Yeah, I didn't really get that far in RDR2 either, but for different reasons. It just didnt' hook me with it's combat/mechanics and coyboys aren't my favorite genre

tranquil cove
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oh i have 60 hours in witcher 3, i guess i tried it despite not beating 2... but still.. nowhere near completed that game either

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same the mechanics, are killing me

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wild west movies i love though

quaint cosmos
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the only wild west movie I liked was Back to the Future 3

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and I live in Texas

candid quiver
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I dont really like wild western style at all, but reviews got me thinking the 'amazing open world' would be worth it. But nope.. rockstar boysclub story and writing =/

tranquil cove
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like all them clint eastwoods and gregory peck movies etc.

tranquil cove
tepid wadi
tranquil cove
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the landscapes look pretty though

quaint cosmos
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i liked seeing the video where people tied a griefer and left thrm on the train tracks

candid quiver
tepid wadi
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Yeah, who knows. GTA6 is mega hyped for a lot of people. We'll have to see what the story looks like and how it all fits together 🤷‍♀️ . I've never been a big GTA fan because the theme doesn't fit for me well.

candid quiver
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I usually loaded my fave mp3s in and drove taxi missions in vice city forever ^^

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Gta5 i couldnt with the 3 protags and mess

tepid wadi
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I'm much more mechanics focused than story focused, but yeah I get where you're coming from with that

tranquil cove
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i need a good racing game, for awhile it was crew 1, but they got a lot of things wrong, as much as they got right, so it was always a game i felt had potential but missed the mark

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so i'm like still stuck playing trackmania stadium

tepid wadi
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We need a modern Extreme G 😝

tranquil cove
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trackmania forever is just terrible

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i don't understand why they redesign car physics each time they release a game

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the physics were fine in game 1 and 2

quaint cosmos
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somehow this chat turned nto my youtube recommendations. I watched several Trackmania lectures about breaking world records and tricks to bypass obstacles.

tranquil cove
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then they make a new game, ruin how cars work, and add ice 😄

tepid wadi
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Probably Engine changes

tranquil cove
quaint cosmos
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I never touched the game, either.

tranquil cove
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i think some on forever too

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yeah, i am actually a bot the AI knows what you are doing 😛

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haha

quaint cosmos
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The game with the worst driving was Watch Dogs. I had to be super gentle when aligning myself inside the lanes of traffic.

tranquil cove
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basically what trackmania fans wanted

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was copy everything from either game 1 or 2.

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and just put better 2024 graphics on it, and custom cars.

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instead they remade everything and now split their community between 3 games

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now there is 3 different groups who like 3 different sets of car physics lol

quaint cosmos
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odd. I know making a game and profits is great, but I rather have the devs build the game they envisioned first, then make small adjustments to improve what is already there. The catering is not that great in my eyes, but if they sold 3 games, I guess that's successful.

tepid wadi
tranquil cove
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nothing changed with their fallout update

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they added native tab that supposedly can do native res but doesn't and 21:9 and 32:9, which are locked at 1920

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native tab matches my resolution but it wont save settings or change anything - 6 gigs update to get the resolution wrong

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it lies and says its full screen at my native res but it's really 1920, and i could do fullscreen before. this update is practically useless lol 😦

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not only is the update useless it's broken

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this is why i don't want to full screen this old ancient game, why am i seeing a window within a window lol

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where is my window mode, at my native resolution BETHESDA, god damn it i waited 2 weeks for this update

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it doesn't save lol, soon as i close window it resets. this isn't even epic resolutions, they said they added 4k support

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lol its the same resolution as before! what is this, it even says top right corner, wide screen support !?

tranquil cove
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"Fallout 4's long-awaited next-gen update is finally here, and while it adds some great new graphics mode options to consoles as well as some fun (and free) Creation Club content, its one new PC feature leaves much to be desired.

Specifically, that feature is official ultrawide support, which has been determined to be extremely lacking. The game doesn't even recognize your native ultrawide resolution unless your Windows display scaling is 100%, and the in-game HUD and other UI elements appear horribly stretched out."
lol come on

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oh well guess im continuing to play it as is in windowed mode - just was really expecting more and looking forward to the update for this specific reason

neon sleet
candid quiver
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I already knew the fallout 4 update would have little to no interesting 'next gen' changes to the PC version

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Im also a bit tired of the 'next gen' buzzword. Ps5/xbox whatever is current gen since long, and its such a silly console term imo

karmic lava
stone smelt
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Hey guys!

Next month a game that was created to be Ultima Online 2 will be relaunched. It had a very good time, but due to the lack of updates it ended up closing its server.
It's an Old School MMORPG.

However, now the Dev's are going to relaunch it with a Patch that was very successful due to the balance of the time (2019).
As it is a niche game, I don't know if it will be a big success, but for those who like UO it will be good fun/entertainment now in May.

I don't know if I can share the game's discord here, but the goal is to keep the community entertained.

The game is called Legends of Aria Classic, you can find it on Steam.
It will be launched on 05/09, where everyone will start from scratch.

tranquil cove
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NFTs and blockchain game lol

lunar flame
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Oof... RIP that development budget..

tranquil cove
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every UO remake was a failure, becuase nobody who wanted to remake the game could agree what made ultima online good, since the game updated so many times, people who played in 1997 thought 1999 ruined the game, and people who played in 1999 thought 2002 ruined the game, and so on to infinity.

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plus if you do a total remake, you're basically doing you're own lore, which already breaks the nostalgia of UO, since at least some of the hardcore pvpers still loved the ultima world/lore as well.

lunar flame
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Hold on... This game was "coming soon" 2 years ago for a relaunch, but it's not released yet?

tranquil cove
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then you have people who get a bit of everything from every time period of UO and make this amalgamation of what they think were the best features.

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and so it feels like this custom thing, and not UO at all, of any time period lol

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that's why UO has free shards that are basically dedicated to re-creating specific timelines of the game based on patch notes.

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if legends of aria is a game 'based on UO' i'd probably have to argue it's lightly based... like what did they exactly bring that is so specific? full loot PVP is not enough to say it's a UO remake. That concept although first started in UO? is not the defining characteristic of any game, it's just a game mechanic.

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the most defining characteristic of UO is actually it's lore... which unlike starwars wasn't rewritten and trashed into legends and canon, the lore basically stayed the same through every iteration of the game and didn't really get worse whenever they added new things.

stone smelt
lunar flame
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Wow... "Coming soon" for 2 years and no updates since 2020.
Impressive. 👍🏻

stone smelt
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What makes it "based" on UO is the characteristic.
You don't have a defined path (sandbox)
Being hardcore, in addition to fullloot, there is little content explaining what you should do, and you should try experimenting.
Isometric view with target.
Progression style, using the skill.
So there you go!

It's not UO, because as you said, UO has several versions of its base.

It's a game with its own characteristics, but based on UO.

tranquil cove
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yeah and i guess the karma system

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and likely protected towns etc.

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but UO had a pretty big thieving system

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that even worked in towns, and was basically an alternate full loot method, could even steal peoples homes without killing them ever.

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or steal their reagents, or bandaids so they can't heal in combat

stone smelt
tranquil cove
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UO's other big features were the moongates and recalling

lunar flame
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I'm just confused, because even the main website hasn't been updated since 2021.. so, what's been happening with it all that time?

stone smelt
# lunar flame I'm just confused, because even the main website hasn't been updated since 2021....

A company focused on blockchain bought the project and launched the game with a different experience.
First-person gameplay.
This project is called Britaria, but until today we haven't had anything.

As a result, this "classic" version was left aside and even had its servers closed.

There are still community servers open, but they are customized.

Now, on May 9th, the classic version will be relaunched with the promise of constant updates.
They chose re-releases with the 2019 patch, as that was when the game was most balanced.

lunar flame
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So, they ditched the blockchain/nft stuff entirely from the game?

stone smelt
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No, there is a team working on Britaria and another that has returned to work on Classico.
They are practically different games now

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There's no way of knowing if there will actually be maintenance or new content, but the game is really fun.
Anyone who played UO will feel right at home.
Those who have never played will feel a big difference to the current titles.

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This launch month will be insane

misty arch
timber prism
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Woo! VR Alien!

tranquil cove
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no game can claim 'based on uo' unless it has this feature

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i remember the day the game master misclicked and turned god mode off

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and a bunch of us killed him and took his head LOL

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was like having the head of god in my bank etc.

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(sounds mean but he was really nice guy and chill about it - even suspect he did it on purpose to make people happy)

karmic lava
dusk bluff
reef bobcat
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I want to share this game to yall!! While enshrouded for me has the best building mechanics. It lacks when it comes to npc life.

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UtjsU8SzAoE
for all the reasons why No Matter Studios, maker of Praey to the gods failed at delivering what they hoped would fill the niche of gigantic boss battles, I think Keen Studios could make a very very fun gigantic boss battle game.
Keen's climbing and controls are far more responsive, the open world vertical exploration is much better suited for live action introductions to big bosses. the fact that the player doesn't die from starvation means the game is much more forgiving than NMS' approach to the concept. these factors make me believe that Keen is merely 3 feet from gold and only has to chip away a bit further for this game to be everyone's must have game of the decade.

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lilac adder
tranquil cove
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sim city was fun

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roller coaster tycoon was fun

reef bobcat
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it is fun.

tranquil cove
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but for me depends on level of complexity, if i'm looking at spreadsheets in a game, it's going too far.

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same with games like factorio, too complex, no thanks on factorio 😦

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i used to play https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Caesar_III

Caesar III

Caesar III is a city-building game released on September 30, 1998, for Microsoft Windows and Mac OS, developed by Impressions Games and published by Sierra On-Line. It is the third installment of the Caesar series of games and is part of Sierra's City Building series. Players assume the role of a provincial governor to build thriving cities acro...

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and Lords of Realm 2, and those were fun

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but back then games were also less complex

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Crusader Kings 2, hard as heck, and too many DLC

tranquil cove
# reef bobcat I want to share this game to yall!! While enshrouded for me has the best buildin...

reminds me a bit of eco https://store.steampowered.com/app/382310/Eco/ (they aren't similar games at all, but was just reminded of this - i think eco is a bit funny - would never buy it myself).

Steam
Eco

Enter the world of Eco, a fully simulated ecosystem bustling with thousands of growing plants and animals living their lives. Build, harvest, and take resources from an environment where your every action affects the world around you. An imminent meteor strike threatens global destruction. Can you save the world without destroying it in the pro...

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$23.99

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9838

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where instead of working a job irl, getting married, being apart of a government, enduring inflation, etc.

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you do that all in ECO, and elect leaders, and then the leader takes your farm land that you spent 1000 hours to grow

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This game is an accurate simulation of governments. Do not play it.```
tepid wadi
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Eco was an interesting one. I played it a long time ago and it felt like minecraft but with the specific goal of teaching environmentalism.

dusk bluff
timber prism
tranquil cove
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it reminds me a bit of that game, one i got for free on epic games

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Surviving the aftermath.

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honestly looks like they have similar concepts at a glance

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PGtgYHEjxn8&list=PLJ4kldXJgj6OiGatqplY0SUiXCqA6vKgD

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city management, survival, some troop management, world map etc.

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except surviving the aftermath has a bit of terraforming too

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getting rid of radiation spots and stuff

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manor lords made by 1 guy, damn very good then

tranquil cove
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manor lords needs a way to declare yourself a man or a lord

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while also living in a manor

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to confuse everyone

tranquil cove
lilac adder
# timber prism what dont you get about them? lmao

i like my rpg elements. something like Bellwright is an acceptable mix for me...rpg + village management / base building. while manar lords is impressive and popular for good reasons(1 guy, hats off). I must say i like the walk around in your 'cities' view...the rpg elements missing doesnt do it for me....i dont think that answers the question. i can see why people are drawn to them...some are very impressive.

misty arch
misty arch
misty arch
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https://youtu.be/mnn4a6e3EbQ?si=HZuTVtH6iJyllTPU

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dusk bluff
timber prism
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Looking forward to Rotwood when it hits 1.0

dusk bluff
timber prism
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I watched a few streamers who finished it in 15 hours from what they said

dusk bluff
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Finished is relative

timber prism
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I think there is an actual end

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To the story content or whatever

tranquil cove
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rotwood giving me maple story vibes

dusk bluff
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Yeah each time you do a level it gets harder the next time

timber prism
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Ah gotcha

dusk bluff
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You essentially level up the map. And then you have different sets of gear you need to upgrade too.

timber prism
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And then reset and start again like NG+ right?

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I'm curious what this streamer was talking about

dusk bluff
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No

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It's like Hades where you pick a path to go to a reward room.

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The perks you get on each map don't transfer

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Only weapons, armor, and their upgrades transfer

timber prism
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Ah gotcha! The way they made it sound was they actually finished and there was like nothing else to do

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That's good to know then

dusk bluff
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Yeah they don't know what they are talking about. They likely beat all the main bosses once and said oh I must be done lol

timber prism
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That's cool then. I like beat em ups

tranquil cove
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some people are like that though, they don't want to do ng+ stuff

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or experience different paths

timber prism
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I'll probably grab it when I finish No Rest for the Wicked

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Which is absolutely fantastic

dusk bluff
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It's a rogue like or rogue lite I forgot which one lol whatever Hades is

tranquil cove
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what i mean is if i get to an endgame, regardless of what i missed i am less likely to continue playing the game

timber prism
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Rogue like

tranquil cove
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i'm one and done player

timber prism
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Lite*

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Sorry haha

dusk bluff
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There isn't an end game

tranquil cove
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yeah i don't love rogue-lites 😛

dusk bluff
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The game gets harder the more you play it

timber prism
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But its just recycling content again

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Which is fine

dusk bluff
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Yes but randomized

tranquil cove
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take the game FTL and its sequel

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i got to the end of FTL once and then played around a bit with other ships but never bothered to full complete that game

dusk bluff
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You won't experience the same thing every run besides the mini boss and the end boss

tranquil cove
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only rogue lite i really enjoyed was dungeons of dredmore

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no surprise though 98% of people liked dungeons of dredmore

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lol

timber prism
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Rogue lites are great

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https://store.steampowered.com/app/2179850/Cobalt_Core/

Steam
Cobalt Core

Cobalt Core is a sci-fi roguelike deckbuilder with a unique single-axis combat system that will throw you for a loop. Many loops! Give orders to your crew by playing cards: Will you raise shields to protect your ship, dodge incoming missiles and cannon fire to avoid damage outright, or strike preemptively to disable your enemy’s weapons? Outmane...

Price

$19.99

Recommendations

2123

Metacritic

94

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This one was a blast

finite saffron
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can also highly recommend wildfrost if you like roguelite deckbuilders https://store.steampowered.com/app/1811990/Wildfrost/

Steam
Wildfrost

The sun has frozen over... The world has succumbed to the Wildfrost. Now only Snowdwell and its survivors stand as the last bastion against an eternal winter... Build up a deck of powerful card companions and elemental items, as you battle to banish the frost once and for all!Perfect your card battling and deck-building skills, and set out on a ...

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$19.99

Recommendations

6370

Metacritic

80

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haughty jewel
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If anyone is into first person RPGs, I can recommend Dread Delusion. It leaves early access next month.

https://youtu.be/bGhW1PTSEpk

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Dread Delusion 1.0 Release Date Trailer

https://store.steampowered.com/app/1574240/Dread_Delusion/

Dread Delusion is leaving early access May 14th!

"Dread Delusion is an open world RPG brimming with strange places and dark perils. Carve your own path through the flying continents of a shattered land. Discover curious towns, unearth occult secrets, master powerful magic - and change ...

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vague galleon
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looks neat.

candid quiver
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Undermine,
Rogue Legacy 2 and 1,
Rogue Fable 3 and 4
Dungeonmans

Theres many good rogue-lite and rogue-likes ^^

tranquil cove
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of rogue lites i own, like 15+

I'd rank them roughly: dungeons of dredmore, barony (only if coop), maybe slay the spire/ring of pain, dungeon of endless (only if coop), exanima, FTL maybe.

not sure why hereos of steel is listed as rogue lite or tales of maj'eyal... pretty much not into risk of rain worst game i ever played lol. into the breach's time concept eh.. not really feeling that either. cryptark is pretty boring, vagante still never played. loop hero pretty boring.

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hereoes of hammerwatch i didn't like at all

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was complaining none stop lol

tepid wadi
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TOME is a roguelike if you play hardcore mode, that's how I've always done it

tranquil cove
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i'm a save scum player, if i can't save scum, i won't like the game

tepid wadi
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SO many good roguelikes though. Returnal is actually one of my favorites, one of the best AAA takes on an indie genre to date

tranquil cove
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rogue lite is basically take all control away from the player, and you have to repeat play through or boss battle, basically it mimics real life, where you only have once chance and if you die it's over. except you get resurrected at beginning.

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save scum same concept, except i can resurrect 5 seconds before dying and just win

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for someone who wants to save 1 hour of time, way better for me.

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as someone who likes 'control' and wiki's how to defeat a boss in 1 minute, not usually a fan of rogue lites, so me saying i like any rogue lite is an accomplishment for that game lol

tepid wadi
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Did you play Elden Ring? They really removed the "run back to the boss" aspect of old souls games

tranquil cove
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no, i wanted to get it, but just didn't have the money or motivation to buy it at that price

tepid wadi
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I bet it'll go on sale when (or right before) the DLC drops, 10/10 recommend

tranquil cove
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dont starve is a rogue lite?

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see don't starve is one of the games i'd give away in my steam library if steam added used game gifting...

tepid wadi
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I think it kind of is? Some people also classify games where you drop everything when you die as roguelikes

tranquil cove
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all the rogue lites i have on my steam

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probably only the yellow ones i remember enjoying

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orange is okay

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rest were either boring, or made me complain

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lol

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exanima i full on cheated in

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save scummed every 5 minutes, manually.

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and proud of it, and told them in the discord i did it, to rub it in

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lol

tepid wadi
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If you liked Slay the Spire, you should check out Monster Train

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Also, FTL is one of the greats, for sure. I feel like it really popularized the genre.

timber prism
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i loved the sound design in that game

tepid wadi
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Yeah, the sound design was good, the controls were tight, the gameplay in general was solid, the progression felt good and had good skill expression... It was just all around a great roguelike.

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It had a weird story and meta story thing going on that hooked you in well, just a whole solid package.

vague galleon
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man, i could never beat the final boss in FTL so I went to try out this space station mod for the game, but it was never updated for the DLC....T_T

tepid wadi
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RIP. The final boss in FTL is a killer. You have to have a really solid build to beat it

vague galleon
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my main issue with that game though was that there was a side mission where you had to find a floating pod and another location or something and the odds of actually lining them up was almost impossible.

tranquil cove
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like sure i said i like FTL

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but this is in a list of rogue lites

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comparing it to other games, i just would rather touch halcyon than FTL any day

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https://store.steampowered.com/app/371200/Halcyon_6_Starbase_Commander/

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Halcyon 6: Starbase Commander

The GameOn the edge of Terran space lies Halcyon 6, a derelict starbase left behind by a mysterious precursor race. Your mission is to reclaim the derelict station and rebuild it.A mysterious alien force is making a beeline towards Earth and this starbase is the best chance for the New Terran Federation to establish new alliances, research new t...

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$14.99

Recommendations

957

Metacritic

71

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vague galleon
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hmmmmmmmmmmm

tranquil cove
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more control = more fun for me

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less control in a game = painful

vague galleon
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how is halcyon?

tranquil cove
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i liked it

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i never beat it 😄 i never finish games

vague galleon
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people finish games?

tranquil cove
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halcyon is like xcom, ftl, rpg all together, space battles, land battles, decent customization

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the story drew me in really well

tepid wadi
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I feel like for roguelikes especially "beating them" is a rare thing

tranquil cove
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yeah halcyon isnt a rogue lite

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Halcyon 6: Starbase Commander is a retro space strategy RPG with base building, deep tactical combat, crew management and emergent storytelling.

vague galleon
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i've played a good handful of FPS roguelikes and it's always the same for me. never get past the third level and loose interest despite the mostly fun gameplay.
but to be fair, I am Trash.

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if I could play them with quick saves like quake then I'd play the heck out of them.

tranquil cove
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halcyon should have been more popular than it was

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only 900 reviews, overlooked gem imo

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but then again i loved star control

stuck shard
tawny trellis
timber prism
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https://vxtwitter.com/rabbitandsteel/status/1785679665606144300

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🐇RABBIT & STEEL is launching May 9th!!🐇 A co-op action "raiding" roguelike where you fight bosses alongside your friends! Featuring MMO-style GCD combat, online co-op with rollback, lots of bosses and ite… 💖 2 🔁 2
Rabbit & Steel (@rabbitandsteel)

🐇RABBIT & STEEL is launching May 9th!!🐇

A co-op action "raiding" roguelike where you fight bosses alongside your friends!

Featuring MMO-style GCD combat, online co-op with rollback, lots of bosses and ite…

💖 2 🔁 2

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Sooooooooon

timber prism
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I'm hoping the combat gets fleshed out with more moves but the ones already in are pretty good. The golf club charge up on hammer is strong

dusk bluff
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I normally do the aerial spin combo with hammer

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You can buy weapon variants that have different special moves too.

timber prism
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Yeah I know

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Best combo imo for hammer is light light heavy heavy back dash, golf swing

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I don't need like a tekken list of combos but around 15 per weapon would be nice

misty arch
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https://youtu.be/EiniuLBIZr8?si=M6UvqGjmE4Xu1eDq

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GameTrailers
Sins of a Solar Empire 2 - Official Steam Announcement Trailer

Get another look at Sins of a Solar Empire 2 in this latest trailer for the real-time 4X strategy game. Get ready to battle for galactic dominance when Sins of a Solar Empire 2 launches on Steam in summer 2024.

In Sins of a Solar Empire 2, you’ll explore, expand, exploit, and exterminate through military force, diplomacy, trade, culture, influ...

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dusk bluff
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its been like what 10+ years lol?

neon sleet
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Any yugioh people here?

tepid wadi
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I know enough about it to play with my buddy occasionally, but I'm not super into it

neon sleet
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Dangit, oh well. XD

timber prism
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I played a few to fill my gacha booster addiction but quit after a month or two

quaint cosmos
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I have watched the first YuGiOh and a bit of GX, but quit when it was weird with synchro summons. I didn't stand around to watch a duel take 3 episodes either, so I dropped it altogether. I still have the cards from the first starter decks.

candid quiver
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Its like.. a bad version of mtg

tepid wadi
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Yeah, but in MTG you don't get to shout "You've activated my trap card!" so it's got something going for it

candid quiver
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Lol ^^

vague galleon
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yugioh is a faster powercrept blissfully landless mtg. but not bad.

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goodness i hate having to draw lands.

craggy wing
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Abiotic Factor just came out in Early Access today.
It's a sci-fi co-op survival heavily insipired by Half Life and it's very, very good (I've played their playtests and demo before the release).
Quite a lot of content for Early Access too.
https://store.steampowered.com/app/427410/Abiotic_Factor/

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Abiotic Factor

Home to the world's greatest minds, GATE operates a global network of secretive research laboratories, spanning every field of scientific study - and the realms beyond.As a GATE employee you extend the bounds of human knowledge, and seek to explain the unexplainable - including anomalies and paranormal entities: from gravity-distorting artifacts...

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$19.99

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tepid wadi
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I've heard it's a ton of fun

candid quiver
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I tried the demo, was a blast deffo ^^

tranquil cove
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but with coop

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well i saw 5 seconds of a stream

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and i'm in

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looks good

craggy wing
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Played for four hours yesterday with five friends. Fun as hell, definitely recommend it

tranquil cove
tranquil cove
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oh it's not australia it's new zealand voices

craggy wing
candid quiver
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Noo im sure the game takes place in uhm, Abiotica ^^

rustic nexus
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Anyone play Arma 3?

sullen crane
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A tragic end for hell divers 2

timber prism
sullen crane
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I see that count dropping after this news

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This is a new low

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All this to boost player numbers to investors lol

timber prism
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the 20k players max commenter strikes again

sullen crane
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Pathetic

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Then to bait and switch