other-games

[timber prism]

You always see leaks that nothing come out of it.... so i just dont think of them existing

like the Switch 2 release date leak XD

Not all but you do see them... Granblue Relink has a demo out

Tekken 8 has/had a demo

[obtuse scroll]

The reason it seems trustworthy is because they acted like a OMG we didn't mean to release that kind of thing and scrubbed the internet of all the stuff they had set up lol

[timber prism]

I think that is happening now with the Switch 2 leak haha

at least from some articles i saw

[obtuse scroll]

This seemed more like an oops, we're in trouble kind of leak, not a hehehe we released info early kind of leak

[timber prism]

haha

if its true def add that to the list

Elden Ring was a lot of fun haha

[obtuse scroll]

I'm keeping my hopes up, but not putting 100% stock in it. I'll probably still be playing lots of Enshrouded at that point anyways

[timber prism]

yeah! im definitely gonna be splitting most of my time up between Enshrouded and Tekken 8 until FF7

i am definitely gonna binge that game

I am so hyped for this to arrive T_T

[obtuse scroll]

I will admit my favorite final fantasy game is still 6. 7 just didn't win me over, because Aerith was my favorite character lol

[timber prism]

FF7 was definitely the HOLY moment for me with jrpgs

when that game first came out for PS1 i was blown away

[rapid yoke]

6 and 9 for me for sure

[timber prism]

I think for me its FFT, FF9, FF6, FF7?

oh.. FF8 for 5th

something about 7 coming out was magic though... summons were just super insane at the time

[rapid yoke]

tactics 100%

I also honestly liked 12 outside of vaan

[timber prism]

i need to revisit 12

Its actually really hard for me to figure out why FF7 is so memorable for me because its not my favorite FF... I wasn't even a fan of Aerith in the OG

but this time around for Remake... I got super emotional seeing her XD

[candid quiver]

ff6,7,8,9,10 and 12.

after those Final Fantasy became something else, that is less rpg and more mash-flash =/

or, either mmo or masher. those are the two ff genres nowadays. ff stopped being ff.

[obtuse scroll]

I think mine is FF6, X, X-2, XIV (yes, I play the mmo), 4?, and 7

[timber prism]

I love both 11 and 14

raids are a lot of fun

i enjoyed most of the story

music is 10/10

[obtuse scroll]

I didn't include ff11 because it came at the same time as an xpac for WoW and I've been playing that almost 19 years now. I probably would have liked it with more time on it

The music of most Final Fantasy games is just amazing.

[shy oasis]

100% agree

Sometimes having some of the music play on Spotify while driving

[rapid yoke]

That distant worlds

[shy oasis]

I’d be so down for that

[rapid yoke]

It'd be cool to see live

[shy oasis]

I need a secret of evermore remake

[rapid yoke]

oh man

That game was underrated

[shy oasis]

It was the best imo

[rapid yoke]

One of my favorite as a kid

[shy oasis]

Same

The music

The setting

The DOG

[rapid yoke]

THE DOG

[shy oasis]

It was always about chrono trigger and secret of mana

[shy oasis]

But evermore is so much better
The eerie music

[rapid yoke]

Loved how the dog always matched the area too

[shy oasis]

Fave setting?

[rapid yoke]

I do think that evermore > mana

[shy oasis]

Or epoch

[rapid yoke]

The second one was best for me

like the seaside desert

[shy oasis]

Rome

[rapid yoke]

yeah

maymore more carthageish?

[shy oasis]

The gladiator fight

I remember

[obtuse scroll]

Chrono Trigger comes after Final Fantasy for favorite games, but it is still high on my favorite games

[rapid yoke]

The market puzzle

[obtuse scroll]

Love Chrono Trigger

[shy oasis]

Good one for sure

[rapid yoke]

I need to finish Sea of Stars

[shy oasis]

Everything was just so charming

[rapid yoke]

Seriously

[shy oasis]

Same

I only got halfway through the story

I can recommend chained echoes too

Great one
Even better than sea of stars (so far)

https://store.steampowered.com/app/1229240/Chained_Echoes/?snr=1_7_7_151_150_1

Steam

Chained Echoes

Chained Echoes is a story-driven JRPG where a group of heroes travel around the vast continent of Valandis to bring an end to the war between its three kingdoms.In the course of their journey, they will travel through a wide array of diverse landscapes spanning from wind-tanned plateaus and exotic archipelagos to sunken cities and forgotten dung...

Price

$24.99

Recommendations

4977

Metacritic

91

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[obtuse scroll]

That one is on my wishlist. I just have had so many other games I've been playing. I'll move it further up my list though

[rapid yoke]

I'm waiting on Eiyuden Chronicles

I need my suikoden fix

[obtuse scroll]

I remember playing Suikoden III so much when I was younger.

[rapid yoke]

THat was my first one too

[shy oasis]

You should

[rapid yoke]

I definitely played the rest after that, and they are all great in their own right, except maybe 4

[shy oasis]

Great one through and through

[obtuse scroll]

LOL Are all three of us late 30s and into 40s? It seems like we had the same childhood games

[shy oasis]

Ehm

I’m 26

[obtuse scroll]

LOL and one retro gamer then

[rapid yoke]

I won't comment

but there is a 3 on it

[shy oasis]

But my parents gave me the controller of their snes pretty soon

[shy oasis]

People tell me I have an old soul though

So

[obtuse scroll]

Your parents started you off right LOL

[shy oasis]

I don’t feel offended

[shy oasis]

They did

[prisma gorge]

Ooo chained echoes was great. Played on my steam deck and it ran perfectly

[shy oasis]

[rapid yoke]

I would hope that could run on a steam deck, good platform for it

[prisma gorge]

I kickstarted sea of stars but couldn’t get into it after about 10 hrs in. Felt kinda generic imo

[shy oasis]

Agree

Maybe that’s why I stopped and decided to play lost in random instead

[rapid yoke]

The loop doesn't expand enough and the story doesn't really move for way too long

[prisma gorge]

I’ve been replaying ffx on the deck lately - such a good one

[rapid yoke]

But the when the story moves, it moves

[shy oasis]

I have an unpopular opinion

I don’t like FFX

I don’t like yuna

[prisma gorge]

Totally fair. I have friends that don’t

[shy oasis]

I don’t like Tidus

So why bother

[prisma gorge]

lol tidus for sure, yuna must be protected at all costs!!!

[obtuse scroll]

It's fair, I hated Tifa in FF7, just hated her. First character I really hated

[rapid yoke]

I also just don't like X

[prisma gorge]

I love the combat and story - it’s on of my favs - def nostalgic

[shy oasis]

I hate her too

Cloud

Not a fan

[prisma gorge]

Not sure what games or systems you all have but did you play granblue fantasy relink demo for ps5 (oddly specific lol)

[shy oasis]

I’m more the Fran, Balthier, Auron kinda girl

[obtuse scroll]

No, I play PC pretty exclusive now, with a switch that has the larger controller attachements. My hands have issues, so controllers are hard for me.

[prisma gorge]

Auron is my fav character in X by far

Fran is amazing too

[obtuse scroll]

Auron was a pretty good character

[prisma gorge]

Anyone try the granblue fantasy relink demo

[shy oasis]

Not yet

[prisma gorge]

Not sure the games or systems yall are into

Give it a go - I loved it - you may like it

[shy oasis]

I’ll think about it 🙂

Always down for recommendations

[obtuse scroll]

I watched the anime, but haven't played the games lol

[prisma gorge]

Give it a go - it has a cool coop mode and the music and art are gorgeous

Some big names behind the game. Hope it’s good!

[near girder]

Should I buy Return to Moria or wait 2 days for Palworld? :?

[quaint cosmos]

wait 6 days for Enshrouded instead!

[ocean cave]

buy all 3

[quaint cosmos]

Even better! (but you might not enjoy the other 2 as much as Enshrouded)

[ocean cave]

hmmm but i see the rating aren't that good for Return to Moria

4/10 by ign

you might want to see reviews first if it's that low rating

[near girder]

Players love it, critics hate it. 😅

[quaint cosmos]

best of both worlds

[ocean cave]

ah ok i didn't see the players ratings

[spring raptor]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MEXgSgVPLws

[near girder]

Palworld is blowing up on Twitch. It looks pretty fun.

[obtuse scroll]

If you don't mind being underground for the whole game and you like hoarding materials, this is the game for you. I found it incredibly boring and I would have totally taken a game that had you building in the Elven area, but the mines was repetitive and bland to me, because it was all cave for 90% of the game.

[violet widget]

I was just heading in here to see if anyone was going to be playing Palworld tomorrow. Its releasing on Xbox Gamepass if you have it.

It looks like a weird mix of Survival, builder / Pokemon / Factory creation / forced labor simulator 🤣

[sterile scarab]

I didn't want to start a new game that I might get really into so close to the Enshrouded launch. Palworld is on the wishlist for this year for sure! I've been playing Zero Sievert which is perfect for something to play for a week.

[reef bobcat]

Please release the game already can’t wait anymore this is to dopeeeee

[leaden sluice]

where are my fellow osu! enjoyers?

[quaint cosmos]

If they add PVP, i bet there will be a guild called Team Rocket.

[timber prism]

Do you have gamepass? Palworld will be on there. You can't crossplay with steam users though

[vernal thistle]

would it be on windows 10? the same as ARK so that people can crossplay with xbox.

[timber prism]

I don't think crossplay is implemented yet

At least i haven't heard of any

Searching their discord seems like it doesnt

[quaint cosmos]

Out of curiosity, those who played Valheim and Legend of Moria, which was better? Did one have something the other did not?

[atomic ruin]

wtf 😂

a simple 2d game with 5-10 year old graphics

[quaint cosmos]

We even went back to vinyl records for music

[timber prism]

Nothing wrong with 2D!

Great throwback to the OG

[lilac adder]

legend of moria seems entirely in a cave gameplay...i've play lots of valheim(modded) and after many survial craft game trials...it's the one i have the most hours in and keep coming back to

[honest valley]

https://vxtwitter.com/CONEY/status/1747670863682338994

[near girder]

Sadly I don’t have an Xbox.

[tepid wadi]

You can play any Xbox game on PC

[timber prism]

Discord also gave away free 3 months for Xbox PC gamepass

[hallow oracle]

https://www.ign.com/articles/nightingales-ex-bioware-devs-say-they-never-want-to-return-to-old-school-game-development This is looking very good now!

[misty arch]

https://youtu.be/klB4hQGVH0k?si=F7NUVSKPNJouVdSj

[near girder]

I don't like the instant-gathering feature of the game. And the mobs AI needs a lot more work. But there's potential..

Just realized Palworld launches at midnight PST (soon) 😄

[timber prism]

Oooo midnight release?!

[near girder]

Yea.. haven't had one of those in a while. 😄

[upbeat tangle]

Theres absolutely no way I'll stay up to play it but, I'll look forward to killing my morning hours trying it out 😆.

[timber prism]

Yah. Ain't no way ima stay up that late either to play an EA game haha

I only stay up that late for raves Xd

[tepid wadi]

Better go line up outside of EB Games

[near girder]

Ohh those were the days.

[tepid wadi]

I remember waiting with my brother outside of costco overnight so we could get Xbox 360s, that was an... experience

[craggy egret]

Holy crap.. Now that's a reference I hadn't thought of in ... YEEEARRS

[tepid wadi]

https://tenor.com/view/savingprivateryan-ww2-old-soldier-matt-damon-gif-4203998

[upbeat tangle]

So many nights spent outside of GameStop and/or EB waiting for a game or console release.

[near girder]

The first console I ever bought was the Sega Genesis. I had to choose between that and the Super Nintendo. I figured since I already had a Nintendo, I'd go with the Genesis. Although Sonic was fun, it wasn't a great choice... it was a couple years before I got a SNES.

Sega had some great RPGs though.

[tepid wadi]

Sonic Spinball will always be in my hall of fame

[hushed vector]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OAIVT7ZIVEw

this game looks dope

[sullen crane]

yep

[rapid yoke]

mercy so stoked!

[sullen crane]

I thought u said u didn’t like it ….

[rapid yoke]

I meant you are stoked

I'm happy when other people are happy!

[prisma gorge]

https://youtu.be/0e17p2IVDUU?si=cN34VEPqny3EOuhy

[sullen crane]

https://tenor.com/view/look-what-yep-this-gif-13617583

[burnt spear]

Odd... I see the list differently.

[sullen crane]

😂

[burnt spear]

I don't know why my list shows in a different order than yours.

🤷‍♂️

Unlesss....

[daring oasis]

I see the same

[burnt spear]

https://tenor.com/view/hesitate-pause-dunno-dont-know-maybe-gif-21249119

[dusk bluff]

I just refuse to give money to a scummy company.

It will be good for 3 months until they abandon it. XD

[burnt spear]

I'm assuming you're talking about Palworld.

[dusk bluff]

Yeppers!

[peak marsh]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WYIcKBF5beo

[sullen crane]

How are they scammers ?

They still support there previous game

[dusk bluff]

use your eyes I said scummy

[sullen crane]

……..

Did u not see the question mark

[dusk bluff]

never called them scammers did you not see my comment?

[sullen crane]

Says they will abandon the game in 3 months without any reasoning…….

https://tenor.com/view/acidbleeder-nicki-minaj-laugh-nicki-laugh-nicki-ig-live-gif-24741694

[regal hatch]

Yep it is expensive also 49 dollar 💰

Plus gameplay not upto mark
Even Palworld around 29 dollar
https://youtu.be/-F05cLSt408?feature=shared

[dusk bluff]

yes and where did I say scammer though?

[peak marsh]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_heviTMlr2w

[tepid wadi]

Palworld triggers my skepticism super hard for some reason, I can't really articulate why though. Like, it looks silly and fun, but some part of my brain is just like alarm noises

[obtuse scroll]

Slavery and killing of pets? Cause those are the feelings I get from this game. I don't care that they're cartoon animals. It just feels wrong for me, so I just don't play.

[peak marsh]

That part aside, what I'm watching so far doesn't look like something I'd call polished

Very 2016 Unity vibes

[tepid wadi]

I think it might also be some disjointedness from how the pals look compared to how the building/environment looks? Like the pals are very cartoony but the world doesn't really fit that aesthetic.

[compact void]

kinda the opposite for me. From the trailers, I expected something super janky and unfinished, but it looks way more polished to me than I expected

[peak marsh]

Speaking to this, it does seem like the game has a mean spirited sense to it. I'm sure that's probably part of the appeal for some but I'm personally not a fan of that either

The building looks very basic and laborious. From what I'm looking at you have to reopen the build menu for every piece you place

[atomic ruin]

But community already released videos. And it's clearly not a scam. But maybe not what we expected

There's already tons of reviews. The good thing is that you can just try it for 1€ 14days with the xbox pass

[compact void]

People seem to be enjoying it. It is certainly an actual game and not a scam. But yeah it's definitely an "edgy" take on the whole pokemon thing lol

[peak marsh]

Ultimately it feels like one of those games that will sell mostly beecause of lolmemes

[compact void]

yeah, they'll probably make a decent amount of money since there seems to be some interest. But it's releasing as an EA title so there's no telling how it will go long-term

[timber prism]

They are still working Craftopia these days right?

they haven't abandoned it?

[dusk bluff]

craftopia hasn't had a true content update in quite some time

but its also different people who are working on palworld than craft

[quaint cosmos]

Dec 27, 2023 was the last update.

[compact void]

yeah I never played it but it sounds like Craftopia is kinda dead in the water. Maybe it'll end up being a testing bed for Palworld more than anything. Palworld does look a lot more polished than Craftopia, in any case

[dusk bluff]

yep lets hope they learned from it and make a better game

I just don't understand the people who get so mad over the skepticism of palworld. We are allowed to be skeptic lol

[compact void]

I already have a gamepass sub anyways, so I'm going to give it a try. Might as well lol

[timber prism]

• We have opened Dedicated Server on a trial basis as preparations for Dedicated Server, which was temporarily closed due to the transition to a seamless world, have been completed.
  Due to changes in specifications, problems such as stabilization, optimization, and defects may occur, so we plan to continue making improvements based on reports.
• Partial release of new biome ""Unnefell Desert"".
  New age, dungeons, quests from NPCs, caves, SHOP, etc. will be released at a later date.
  A new field boss is also scheduled to appear.

not even a month ago

[dusk bluff]

i haven't looked at craft in like 3 months

[timber prism]

im not famliar with the company but you called it scummy

[dusk bluff]

so ty for the info ^^

[timber prism]

curious how you came about this

[sullen crane]

U are talking about being skeptical of games when we still don’t even know the price of enshrouded lol

[compact void]

At best it'll just be something to fill the empty time until Enshrouded releases haha

[dusk bluff]

and you can be skeptical of enshrouded theres nothing wrong with that

[sullen crane]

Pal world has shown raw gameplay footage

With a 30 dollar price tag

Asmong has gave the game a 9 ratings with 28k views

[obtuse scroll]

Yes, to me it seemed like it's not in the spirit of a friendly game. I don't like the message it's giving and I'm an adult. Can you imagine a kid thinking stuff like that is okay.

[timber prism]

Again.. what is scummy abou them before i spend money on their game XD

[dusk bluff]

like I said we have every right to be skeptical why are you so up in arms about this. Are they paying you? if not who cares lol

[compact void]

who is up in arms? I don't see anybody up in arms

[timber prism]

no one is up in arms.. you are just calling them scummy and stating false info but you dont even keep up with their dev XD

[quaint cosmos]

I would suggest you wait a few days and look at the reviews by other people. Your doubts can be a good conscious to listen to, but it will ultimately be up to you.

[sullen crane]

I’m just asking a question. What’s the reason to be skeptical?

Still ignoring it i see

[dusk bluff]

everything I see shouts cash grab but thats one opinion

why are you so upset I say this

[obtuse scroll]

Okay, it's a game, it's a hot topic for a lot of people. No one can tell you what you do with your money. Some people do not like it, some do. Watch reviews and see what is there. Make up your own mind. Someone wants to think it's sus, that's for them to believe

[dusk bluff]

very well said

[timber prism]

lmao

[dusk bluff]

everyone has their opinion

[compact void]

yeah plenty of reason to be skeptical. Craftopia doesn't instill a lot of confidence. I was totally expecting Palworld to be a total mess. But I've watched some streams and it actually looks surprisingly good! People can disagree and argue about it, doesn't mean they are "up in arms"

[timber prism]

^

[dusk bluff]

I don't want palworld to fail i want it to be good and people to have fun

[timber prism]

I just like hearing people's reasons when they make statements about things

all opinions are worth hearing but they should back it up when people ask why

[sullen crane]

https://tenor.com/view/look-what-yep-this-gif-13617583

[dusk bluff]

tbh i don't need to backup any opion I have

its opinion

I am not claiming fact

[compact void]

you don't need to, but nobody will take you seriously if you don't lol

[obtuse scroll]

I suggest if you guys want to discuss this any further, please move it to DMs to leave it up for other people to post more on any games they want. We have heard the opinions now we can move on to the next opinion or next game.

[compact void]

ok, understood 👍

[timber prism]

im just explaining why i asked so thank you for responding haha

https://youtu.be/edB0J0bS-4s?si=31sdXF_j_kDcTzb-

April!

[dusk bluff]

anyone else excited for pax dei?

[timber prism]

I'll check Pax Dei out but it really just sounds like a bunch of buzzwords

[dusk bluff]

if it ever comes out lol

[timber prism]

with no real vision

[peak marsh]

I was before I started learning more about it. That's another one that sets off my skeptic alarms

[dusk bluff]

the beta was really fun

but it might be years before we see anything

[compact void]

Can't say I'm familiar

[dusk bluff]

we were able to build a giant castle town

[compact void]

looks pretty cool from the Steam page though

[timber prism]

Im curious on how the economy will work

[peak marsh]

Medieval survival MMO from the team behind EVE Online

[compact void]

oh for real? Well they certainly have the MMO credentials

[timber prism]

because that will really seal the deal on how long it survives

[dusk bluff]

no idea

[timber prism]

i dont even think the devs know

[dusk bluff]

I played for a few days and no one knew what they were doing

[timber prism]

their pitch video was like... "it wont be anything like how it started."

[peak marsh]

Seems a lot like how EVE did it, from what I've gathered. Your local feudal lord/megaguild will basically control everything

[dusk bluff]

asmon really liked it but that isn't saying much

there will be pvp areas though so its not pvp all the time

[timber prism]

asmon liking anything have zero revelance on anything.. XD

he's not even a good gamer

[obtuse scroll]

I played, but unfortunately I do not like PVP or blocking content with PVP. It went off my wishlist. I'm sure other people will like it though. I know some people that stayed away from exploring and just built in their plot and were happy.

[dusk bluff]

it gave me new world vibes

[compact void]

if it's anything like EVE it will be all about player-driven economy and factions and all that. Probably not my kinda thing but always fun to read about. EVE gets pretty crazy

[timber prism]

yeah.. Eve econ is huge

[obtuse scroll]

He's the main reason I won't play it. He moved into my server area and ran all of us that weren't in his guild off. They stole final hits on mats (which gets it for them) put up walls around other people's houses. It was a bad experience for me and some friends.

[peak marsh]

Seems like build griefing will be a huge thing. Guilds and player groups basically 'build crowding' people out of their spots since you can build anywhere

[timber prism]

which is why its super important they figure it out and explain it sooner than later

[dusk bluff]

thats asmon followers in a nutshell

[timber prism]

This just sounds like pvp survival

[compact void]

if real estate is a limited resource, it's kind of inevitable I guess

[peak marsh]

Not to mention that the ability to build anywhere by anyone means that the entire landscape will just be a forest of staircases to nothing and dongs after the first week

[compact void]

lol very true

[dusk bluff]

you had me at dongs

[obtuse scroll]

You build outside your plot and anyone can destroy it

[timber prism]

this is exactly why New World chagned

changed*

[dusk bluff]

sounds like Chimeraland

which most of you likely never heard of haha

[peak marsh]

Sadly I have

[compact void]

I only just heard about Chimeraland like, this past week through a YouTube video. And wow

[dusk bluff]

I had a blast on chimera for a month or 2

and then the hackers ruined it

[peak marsh]

I mean, it seems like it could be fun if you're looking at it more like a social hangout/creative tool rather than a game. Not my thing

[dusk bluff]

I even got death threats in that game!

[timber prism]

means you did something right XD

[dusk bluff]

there was massive pvp and you could ride and capture dinos

[compact void]

all I know is that it looks super janky but has a very impressive character creator. You can be a hammerhead sharkman lol

[peak marsh]

If you can't get death threats while playing a game as a purple bipedal elephant I'm not sure what the internet is even for

[timber prism]

exactly

if you haven't been dox'd.... have you actually lived

[dusk bluff]

you could edit every apsect of your mounts. like make their head.000001 inches and legs 10 inches

[compact void]

yeah, that's honestly amazing

[peak marsh]

I do tip my hat to them on the character creator, seems like that's where a lot of the development went

[compact void]

at the very least it looked like a fun sandbox to just mess about with

[peak marsh]

Yeah, that's where I say it's probably better viewed as a social hangout/creative tool rather than a straight up game

[dusk bluff]

thats the mount I stole and got death threats from

[dusk bluff]

the main premise was fighting monsters and players though. the monsters you could catch like pokemon but it was super low chance for the legendary ones I think it was 1% to catch that dragon.

[sullen crane]

https://tenor.com/view/giving-the-sign-timothee-chalamet-paul-atreides-dune-the-sign-gif-18400823

[dusk bluff]

it became hella pay to win though

[quaint cosmos]

if you make a guild, would you wear a white uniform with a giant red "R" on the shirt?

[dusk bluff]

yes, I named it after the guild I stole it from too. Thats why his name is reign. i took it and flew it over their base

[compact void]

and then the death threats starting pouring in lol

[quaint cosmos]

that sounds hilarious!

[dusk bluff]

so to fight a legendary you had to break its 7 seals. you could only get 1 seal a day too. So i waited for them to break the seal, and then did 51% of the damage to it claiming it as my kill.

[quaint cosmos]

a true strategist

[timber prism]

That is gaming!

Fantastic job

My friends and I used to similar things in Archeage stealing cheese larders from guilds which took about three days to make XD

[regal hatch]

Worthy it to buy between
Palworld or enshrouded

[misty arch]

https://youtu.be/7DP_x7LzM80?si=lZTN_P0mCCyiTlJi

[near girder]

A medieval survival MMO that's similar to EVE suggests some sort of perma-death... and extremely slow progression... I guess that sounds like many survival games out there 😄

[timber prism]

perma death would be crazy

i would hope progression would be fast enough where you dont feel discouraged losing your skills and having to build them up again

[short sail]

Pretty satisfied how that tower turned out.

[shy oasis]

Nice

I wanna play too rn

[short sail]

I'm the last one to stop you.

[shy oasis]

I dare you

Work … but I’ll be home soon

[short sail]

Do a break. Have a KitKat.
Bring your work home. Start to homeoffice.

[bitter locust]

Which game is that?

[shy oasis]

Valheim

[bitter locust]

Ohhh

[shy oasis]

I can’t

[bitter locust]

I watched some vids on that today

[shy oasis]

Haven’t played it yet?

Good game

Recommend it
It’s relatively inexpensive

[bitter locust]

I haven’t I never heard of it

[shy oasis]

HUH

[short sail]

[shy oasis]

Well

[bitter locust]

Until everyone in the enshrouded vids were talking about it

Listen

[shy oasis]

Do it

[bitter locust]

I’ve been playing RuneScape for 18 years

[shy oasis]

I would even give you 5 bucks
But me broke

[bitter locust]

I can only be addicted to so many long term titles at once

[shy oasis]

Nah

Another one won’t hurt

[shy oasis]

Old

I’m joking

[short sail]

Well... Welcome to Enshrouded-Addiction soon. Also, Valheim is addicting.

[shy oasis]

https://store.steampowered.com/app/892970/Valheim?snr=1_7_15__13

Steam

Valheim

Valheim is a brutal exploration and survival game for 1-10 players set in a procedurally-generated world inspired by Norse mythology. Craft powerful weapons, construct longhouses, and slay mighty foes to prove yourself to Odin!EXPLORE THE TENTH WORLDExplore a world shrouded in mystery. Discover distinct environments with unique enemies to battle...

Price

$19.99

Recommendations

373153

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@bitter locust Buy it

[bitter locust]

I’m only 29 😭

[shy oasis]

🌚

[shy oasis]

Almost a baby

[bitter locust]

Okay time to try Valheim now

[shy oasis]

In comparison to other users here

[shy oasis]

Enjoy

[bitter locust]

Tomorrow bc I need to sleep eventually

[shy oasis]

I’m sure you will

[bitter locust]

It’s only 5am though

[short sail]

You sound so commanding.

[shy oasis]

Ehm

No comment

[bitter locust]

She was pretty convincing

[shy oasis]

Sleep is good

[shy oasis]

Ty! I get that a lot

[shy oasis]

Yo

Get core keeper

[short sail]

How 'bout no?

[shy oasis]

Hmmmm

Disapproval

[short sail]

I don't like authorities.

[shy oasis]

||im joking||

[bitter locust]

Get core keeper all the cool kids are doing it

[shy oasis]

Maybe I’ll add more emojis in the future

[shy oasis]

You got it right m8

Bruv

[short sail]

I'll get Enshrouded. Does that count? Cannot afford to share my life now with Core keeper too.

[bitter locust]

Slay

[shy oasis]

It’s fine

Not that important

Great game though

[shy oasis]

Queen

https://tenor.com/view/dancing-casey-frey-drop-it-low-shake-it-dance-moves-gif-18140112

[queen mango]

palworld is kinda rough right now... looking forward to Enshrouded next week 😊

[rapid yoke]

Whats rough?

[queen mango]

The base building for one

Example: they have a half triangle wall, for connecting slanted roofs to walls. But the orientation of the triangle can't be changed, it seems based on the wall you're placing it on top of. So you have to break the wall under it and turn it around (hopefully, both sides look the same more or less)

And when trying to connect 3 roof tiles together, you have to build a lot of extra pieces, place the roof, and then destroy the helper bits. And I'm talking for a very simple roof

And there were other little annoyances outside of the building.

I'm sure they get it sorted eventually

[sullen crane]

We doing good

[queen mango]

Nice

[near girder]

heh yea.. addicting as heck. at least so far. Surprised at how well the pals path around without getting stuck.

[compact void]

Only had about an hour to play before work, but seems like fun so far. Good distraction until I can play Enshrouded

[fallow bobcat]

So I was just exposed to a game called Palworld that I’ve never heard of until now

Looks like a survival game with Pokémon

Anybody else seen this madness?

Oh I see people have already been discussing this

[short sail]

You're late. But you're allowed to contribute.

[fallow bobcat]

Is anyone here playing it already? How is it? How many times has it been compared to valheim so far?

[candid quiver]

Craftopia, that they made before (palworld devs) was a mess of random tacked on systems with no focus/direction imo

well, are still making since they didnt complete it yet..

[compact void]

Palworld seems like Ark, but instead of dinosaurs you get Pokémon lol. It's fun though

[candid quiver]

Seems like it might be fun, if its less of a mess then craftopia

and if they will like complete the games they sell people

feels bad to buyers of craftopia a bit

[loud kestrel]

Yea

[lilac adder]

Can someone give an honest review of palworld?
Is there enough diversity in pals?
Is it craftopia clunky oe is it smooth?
How is difficulty?
If i enjoy valheim... Is this a guarantee?

[compact void]

Your best bet is probably to check out some streams, lot of people probably streaming it right now

[lament lance]

I like it so far.
It feels a little slow when it comes to walking but everything runs smoothly and the path finding from the pals isnt that bad at all

and difficulty wise, you choose what you want, its almost fully customizable

was playing about 4 hours now, spend some time building and some time hunting/catching have about 15 different pals at the moment so yeah dont know how far it goes at the moment but Im quite happy with it. for a 26€ game its decent

[lilac adder]

What's meele combat like? Pretty smooth?

[candid quiver]

Just be wary of devs track record

[lament lance]

it is smooth but you will do ranged pretty fast 😄 because its way more effective imo

Im honest, if I will spend about 20-40 hours in that game, it was worth the money I paid for it

the unlock system is kinda like it is in Ark

and yeah for beginning, I made the difficulty pretty easy for me, just want to skipp some time till enshrouded release

[lilac adder]

With the pals... How is training.. Is it one pal at a time or do they share xp?

[lament lance]

and it already got a patch xD

[lilac adder]

😅 Not sure if a day 1 patch is a good thing or not

[lament lance]

they share XP and even if you dont get them out of their sphere, they will lvl while you are killing stuff or crafting or else

[lilac adder]

Is that toggleable? Not sure i like that

[lament lance]

doubt that, its same passive EXP game like in pokemon games.

its not bad.

but only the pals you have with you are getting the passive EXP

[fallow bobcat]

Is the game actually fun? Are you playing co-op with anyone to really experience the full potential?

[lament lance]

I will on sunday. just did a 4 hour run today to learn the basics but will start a coop game on sunday (because im not at home until then)

[sturdy otter]

Coop game sounds like a chicken farm

[lilac adder]

random..but why do games stay in early access for 1+ years....something like valheim should have a "full release" but it's still in early access....not sure how game industries run but is it strnage or just me

[short sail]

Because Valheim experienced such a rush of players that there were performance issues at the start. They are still optimizing the code to this day. In addition, the team consists of a maximum of 10-15 people (now), they started with 7? In addition, because of the supposed optimizations, they had to postpone the release of new content, had to deliver more than initially planned, etc.

[compact void]

Game development is very hard, and things often don't go according to plan

[lilac adder]

suffering from success. very insightful - i did not know all of this

[short sail]

Exactly that. Couldn't name it better.

I do that also regulary.

[lilac adder]

Curiosities... With their current stage of development.. Why not call the current build a full release... Mark up the price. Profit, hire more, etc. Early release might not do them any favors this long... I am often weary of games in early release and less likely to buy... I imagine I'm not alone in this

[short sail]

First things first: To recruit new developers isn't as easy. It's like cooking - some cooks like this and that... You need to find people with tastes that align or to compromise on your vision of the game.
Also, yes. I can completely understand your point of view that it is unsettling when a game is in early access for so long. But look at it this way: As long as it IS in Early Access, they will support it. The Valheim team already said the game is "finished" with version 1.0 - nothing else will be added except for minor performance improvements.

Also, the game isn't as rich in content if you take away the grind... Not yet.

[finite saffron]

Other thing to note is that early access and 1.0 both count as separate "releases", so as long as you aren't chasing preorders (which we aren't), it's actually quite valuable to make use of :)

[peak marsh]

Also putting aside the fact that they're good artists and developers, Iron Gate are terrible at the business part, from a consumer perspective. I have a feeling Dvoid would be content keeping the team as it is and puttering away at it for the next 5 years. Which for a programmer is a dream, you get to be paid to plug away at your hobby project

[short sail]

Oh no. I got toast'd.

[peak marsh]

Point being I don't think they're interested in chasing broader success, I think they're happy just having a situation where they don't have to work for anyone and can do what they want. Which is commendable in its own way

[short sail]

They already stated also, they started slacking in progress... and have had taken a slower time to process.

[peak marsh]

Yeah, that's what I mean. I don't think they really have any desire or urgency to be the next Fromsoft and crank out games and updates on a schedule, I think they're pretty content with what they have going now

Which is unfortunate as a consumer but what a great gig if you're part of it

[finite saffron]

I think a lot of people also forget they're only a dev team of 3, it's inevitably going to take them a long time to release updates for such an ambitious project (I mean, they spent like 7 years on it before releasing the early access build didn't they?)

[peak marsh]

(Fromsoft is just a name I pulled because they're successful and have put out a lot of games, I'm not comparing the two in any other meaningful way)

[lilac adder]

I can understand everything... "Except as long as early access they will support" ... Craftopia made me lose hope in that statement

[short sail]

I mean, they'll at least add +2 biomes? Thats a win I guess?

[lilac adder]

I love valheim and connan exile... Everything else(tried lots) meh. I like meele focused, craft survival.... Just an oddity to fly an early access flag when it seems it'd make more sense to do a full release

[patent storm]

craftopia is is in early acces, but they but they released another game xD

[fallow bobcat]

PayPal World is trending at the top on Reddit right now… wonder if Enshrouded will get the same love next week.

[lilac adder]

It's riding pretty heavy on the coat tail of pkm tho...

[fallow bobcat]

I think it’s getting a lot of attention because of the Pokémon similarities, then people glance closer and read about the noose shaped Pal called Hangyu, then people realize it’s not some kids game, then they see it’s a co-op survival game and start considering parting with their money. At least that’s how it happens for me.

Then I see a lot of animal abuse and I think maybe I’ll just wait for enshrouded

[lilac adder]

It's the focused on ranged combat that has me not giving it a try...that and something that more closley meets my needs(enshrouded) comes in ~4 days later. I'll pass

[reef bobcat]

i ended up playing car mechanic to pass time till release

[arctic haven]

is palworld fun?

give me a tldr

[burnt spear]

Pokemon, crafting, building, machine guns.

.>

[arctic haven]

hmm

[limpid wasp]

I'm sure Enshrouded will do just fine when it releases. I don't know if it'll be to the same fanfare as Palworld, the crashing of both Steam and Microsoft's store fronts upon its release.

I had the trailer on and my wife just flatly said she wanted Palworld. Having never seen nor heard of the game before, she immediately gravitated towards the parody of Pokémon. It's a well put together trailer and shows the game's promise to the player. Survive in a Pokémon-adjacent universe with Conan Exiles' thrall system, and also guns because it is current day I guess.

[timber prism]

1 million copies sold in 8 hours for Palworld

❤️

[median charm]

Good?
https://store.steampowered.com/app/1623730/?snr=1_5_9__205

Steam

Palworld

Q. What kind of game is this?A. In this game, you can peacefully live alongside mysterious creatures known as Pals or risk your life to drive off a ruthless poaching syndicate.Pals can be used to fight, or they can be made to work on farms or factories.You can even sell them or eat them!SurvivalIn a harsh environment where food is scarce and vic...

Price

$26.99

Recommendations

2402

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[peak marsh]

I think it's very age dependent. Systems look rough and unfinished, building looks laborious, and everything has a strong "needs more time in the oven" look to it. On the other hand roflcopter you can punch a sheep

[sturdy otter]

Poor sheep

[sullen crane]

lol

Had the steam servers on overload last night

[livid violet]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xCIpW6NjO3w

[regal hatch]

https://youtu.be/IuendCAm5dQ?feature=shared

[timber prism]

Age dependant?

[sullen crane]

We out peaking ark and rust , and day z

[timber prism]

Hell yeaaaaah

[sullen crane]

[peak marsh]

In terms of how much enjoyment you'll get from the experience

[sullen crane]

Mind u that’s not including game pass players

[timber prism]

This is the first mon game that I have enjoyed

I am not a fan of pokemon at all xd

[sullen crane]

It’s definitely fun with friends

Can’t wait until they add PvP and up the server count

[timber prism]

Yeah. That pretty much goes for all survival games

Solo survival is ZzzZzzz

[arctic haven]

I actually really enjoy solo survival games sometimes

i.e. valheim solo was a blast

[timber prism]

I don't think there has been a single survival game for me that was better solo than group play

Even just building as a community is a better experience... at least for me

[sullen crane]

palworld made the steam homepage !!!!

[woven cedar]

and it's on gamepass!!!

[upbeat tangle]

I went into it with very low expectations but so far (3 hours or so) it really is “Take Conan Exiles, turn the Thralls into Pokemon, and add guns.” I’m enjoying it a lot more than I thought I would. Runs pretty great on PC and Xbox (but I’m not enjoying the controller layout, m/kb is easier to use for sure and I’m normally a controller person).

[fallow bobcat]

How is the building in Palworld? Do you have to defend your base at all? Does it have a large map?

Is there seriously a Pokémon thing named Hangyu? Or was that a meme

[tepid wadi]

I was watching some streamer and his base got attacked, but it didn't look like it was very threatening.

His pals just annihilated the attackers in a few seconds

[fallow bobcat]

I wonder how difficult it actually is to survive

[timber prism]

I have a clip of Lirik having his base attacked and got it completely wiped XD

https://clips.twitch.tv/ImportantPleasantGorillaKAPOW-MvoO-j55k74LL7ld

Oh. He actually instigated this so it wasn't him being attacked lmao

[fallow bobcat]

Wonder what the consequences of dying is

Damn I am very intrigued by this game

Came outta nowhere. Only learned about it from this channel

[lament lance]

You can choose by yourself. Its at least no consequences or loose your equip

Don't know if there was another death penalty

[near girder]

You drop everything you're carrying and leave a bag. You can go recover it. If your Pal gets "killed" itll need to spend some time recovering at home, in the Palbox.

[lament lance]

But if you customise the game difficulties you can make it either extreme hard or extreme easy to play

[near girder]

I played for about 4 hours and I died 3 times. I actually like the level of difficulty so far.

[lament lance]

I went for last option 😉

[near girder]

Ah true... I've been on Normal diff.

[lament lance]

I've made everything easy. Want to discover as much as possible till Wednesday

[rapid yoke]

I'm glad people are having fun in Palworld

I watched a few streams and I just can't do it until they make some changes

[near girder]

It's not exactly like the game I was expecting. It's more like ... hmm... a base management game. The point of going out to get Pals is so they'll perform work at your base. Higher tier Pals perform that work better. That's it.

[rapid yoke]

Yeah that tracks

Collect your pals, make them work, do some battle with them and you

[near girder]

A bunch of other survival games tried to use various types of NPCs/AI to do this same thing, but nobody ever got the pathing correct. Your peons would always get stuck somewhere or just do nothing.

[lament lance]

But I have to be honest. Its more fun than pokemon karmesin

With his 2 hour tutorial

[rapid yoke]

I mean they do the same thing in palworld depending on how you build up your base

[lament lance]

But pathfinding is better than expected

[near girder]

I guess that's where the skill of the player comes in. 😄

[rapid yoke]

lol

[lament lance]

But if they get stuck it's an easy fix:) just.pick them up

You don't even need to find them. Just use the management console

[near girder]

And I love the base raids.

[lament lance]

They are fun yes

[near girder]

It'd be cool if you could tell your pals to deposit loot into particular chests though. I'm getting stuff everywhere.

[lament lance]

Yes that's something I miss as well

I found a work around for.that xD

Just fill the chests with one piece stacks of the item.you want in that chest 🙂

[near girder]

heh, okay

[lament lance]

But yeah. Missing some sorting system but might come in future

[near girder]

I'm going to try putting chests directly where they're gathering, see if they'll use whatever is closest.

[lament lance]

I did the same 🙂

[rapid yoke]

If you haven't Last Epoched yet, you probably should if you are an ARPG fan:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=esrO1CocQ9w

[lament lance]

That game is awesome

I loved playing it

[rapid yoke]

I won't say the game is perfect, but it is very very good. Their 1.0 release trailer just dropped today

[tepid wadi]

LE is my favorite ARPG because of their crafting system. It's so clean and good and sensible

Like, I love PoE, but their crafting makes me want to fight someone

[finite saffron]

every system in POE is unusable without copious amounts of caffeine

Or following a guide

[rapid yoke]

Two of my gaming friends are hardcore PoE fans

They tried to rope me in again recently

[lament lance]

But what's bad about high caffeine amounts

[rapid yoke]

So I played a bit and quit

I quit because I kept finding great armor upgrades that I couldn't use because they didn't have the right skill slots in them

[peak marsh]

Why not both?

[rapid yoke]

I absolutely HATE poe systems XD

[tepid wadi]

and that's just every system by itself. When you put them all together? Ugh

[finite saffron]

Early onset heart disease, probably

[rapid yoke]

But PoE2 is shaping up pretty nice

[rapid yoke]

I agree fully, they really just need to fix multiplayer and flesh out/balance the remaining characters and it will probably be one of the best of all time

[tepid wadi]

I've enjoyed all the interviews the POE2 team has been doing recently, it sounds like they're really taking the time to re-evaluate their core gameplay stuff instead of just making "POE but the next one"

[peak marsh]

Yeah I do hope poe2 is a little more forgiving on the armor and skill systems. Having to generate a life's savings of fusing orbs just to get your slots to link up on one piece is just tedious

[rapid yoke]

It's the perfect blend of complexity and options without being over or underwhelming

Also PoE2 is supposedly going to slow some things down a bit. The whole press one button warp forward everything dies playstyle of PoE is really boring

[tepid wadi]

That's actually another thing LE does really well, making you create a build that uses all your skills

[peak marsh]

I'll admit at a point in time it was addicting playing the PoE market and amassing chaos and exalts for buying gear pieces, but that was only engaging to me for exactly 1 character

Like, returning to play is fun for exactly as long as it takes to reach that point, so about act 4 on normal

[finite saffron]

I call it the "vampire survivors" meta

[rapid yoke]

Even they use more abilities XD

[queen mango]

What's LE?

[tepid wadi]

Last Epoch

[reef bobcat]

Anybody else super surprised that Palworld is actually good?

[rapid yoke]

I'm not at all shocked that the opening few hours of the game are good no

I've got Force's palworld stream casually playing in the background and his thoughts seem inline with mine on the game loop losing steam as you go forward, but obviously it's got a lot of charm and things to do and the systems seem to work alright. Super successful EA launch for sure.

[peak marsh]

Yeah, I'm curious how long the hype will last after that new game smell wears off

It doesn't seem like one of those that will have a lot of staying power beyond the first week or two

Maybe I'm wrong though

🤷‍♂️

[near girder]

Very few games are worth playing for more than a few weeks these days. Starfield, BG3, Diablo 4... I couldn't play any for more than a month.

[rapid yoke]

I don't mind games that you play once and never play again

But if the loop wants you to keep going, there has got to be something to drive that

Palworld appears to lose that loop around the 20s

[peak marsh]

BG3 is definitely one of those games you can play for months if you're really into TTRPGs

[near girder]

Yea, MMOs that get constant updates are the only things that seem to do that.

[rapid yoke]

Everyone seems to want every single game to be a live service game

"hey guys heres a great story driven game enjoy the content"

Gamers two weeks later: "The devs have abandoned this game, no new content"

[near girder]

Games that you can beat are fine. I put a ton of hours into The Witcher 3 though, even if I could eventually beat it. Dragon Age games take a long time too..

[peak marsh]

Heck, Valheim was getting content complaints after the first week

[rapid yoke]

Well valheim has no content

But it is totally fair for games to have an ending

even survival/crafter types have endings if the devs put one in

[near girder]

This game clearly has an ending (you capture all the pals)... but then they're talking about adding new pals later.. so.. ;D

[rapid yoke]

It's the side gameplay that keeps people around, and I think some very vocal players just seem to crave that in ever single game and it's not a good perspective to run into a game with

[rapid yoke]

Oh for sure, you can do all the content and that's it in these types of games. I did the same with core keeper twice

But I'm not gonna whine on their discord about not having much else to do

[near girder]

I just found out your pals get cranky once in a while so you can walk up and pet them to cheer them up.. heh

[rapid yoke]

You gotta be nice to them Hoskins!

[peak marsh]

TBH, I've more or less fallen out of live service games/MMOs. Partially because there's nothing I find really engaging in that space, but also it's enjoyable to finish a game and move on. Occasionally remember it fondly or revisit it after a few years

[quaint cosmos]

Woulds pals stop listening to you? Similar to not having a certain gym badge

[rapid yoke]

I finally played subnautica and it was amazing, I could never touch it again

[finite saffron]

Makes sense kinda, but I don't think many people consider what needs to happen in order for a game to be a viable live service. This is an issue I could honestly write a massive article on (and I'm sure other game developers have).

Publishers and investors chase live service because the money potential is absolutely insane. The ROI of making a game and then having it keep continually producing profits for the next 10 years is absurd.

And gamers like it because it means the game they love will keep expanding and growing, not getting stale, and the time they spent in it is not """"""wasted""""" (heavy emphasis for the quotes on that one).

But I think what most people don't consider is that with the high reward comes high risk, and the high demand for long-term profits comes with serious drawbacks for the consumer. If a live service game does not retain players in the ways devs hoped, then the whole plan kinda falls apart, and that's how you have games that people paid money for completely shutting down and disappearing.

Games built to last years, need monetization that lasts years. That requires something to be witheld from players that they would desire (and want to purchase). Be it cosmetics, grind, loot, exclusive stuff, etc etc. And, more importantly, in order for players to not just mod those things into their game files you need to design the game in a way that ties progression to the server infrastructure. That means no private hosting, no moddability, no fallback if the team can no longer pay for development costs.

I don't think it's an inherently "bad" model, but it has more drawbacks than most gamers realize I think.

[peak marsh]

Dont forget creating problems in order to sell the solution

[near girder]

One of the things that will keep me going in Palworld is that each pal has a unique, random set of skills (passive and active) and you can teach them new skills.. and maybe breed them later? hmm

[rapid yoke]

Oh yeah I have nothing against them at all and there is 100% room for all types of games. I wish the consumers would take a look at what each game is really meant to be though, rather than applying their own lens of what they want it to be

[sullen crane]

PAL world is definitely super fun can’t stop playing it lol

[rapid yoke]

I'm so happy for mercy though!

Seriously palworld number 1 fan and absolutely swimming in that sunshine

How many pals do you have now?

[sullen crane]

12 but I’m only looking for certain ones lol

I like the games balance of grind the content isn’t over bearing hard but it’s not easy either. It has a balance of grind and i can log off and come back.

[craggy egret]

I don't have much to add to this conversation, but I just want to say... live service is how I paid Blizzard money for 17 years... not just monthly.. but Character Transfers, and race changes, and name changes.. my god. I tossed so much money at Blizzard.

[rapid yoke]

Did you have fun Vapok?

[craggy egret]

Define fun...

If you mean did I have immense enjoyment while playing that also caused the dealth and destruction of two marriages...

then yes.

[rapid yoke]

Yup, exactly what I meant (also that really sucks and I'm sorry you went through all that)

So force just shared some of my main concerns with palworld that may also apply to enshrouded and yet I hope not, "I'm six hours in, and it may be too early to tell, but I really feel like I'm not seeing enough variation in things to do"

[sullen crane]

Well idk how u can give a review on the game without at least playing a few days the map is pretty big

Also u are level gated

[rapid yoke]

The map is large, but, the map is empty

[sullen crane]

How is the map empty

?

Your telling me u explored the whole map

lol

[rapid yoke]

No, I have been watching people explore the map, and it just seems like a lot of empty space populated like old MMOs

Especially in some of the further out zones

Like just some massive desert with some pals roaming around and you can see in the distance one little town, but it's mostly just an open field

[sullen crane]

Imagine me watching people play a game then saying that doesn’t have enough content

[near girder]

That seems pretty accurate. I don't think it's full of interesting POIs like an RPG by any means. There's lots of space for players to build cool bases though... and lots of room to find pals.

[rapid yoke]

I'm fully capable of seeing how a world is populated through a game stream, you don't need to be playing it to see that XD

[sullen crane]

U kinda need to actually play the game because there’s a lot stuff to do …..

Also this is EA. Every game has a period where content is dry so idk wym

If u no life the game that’s on u

[rapid yoke]

I'm saying the world is pretty empty, that's all I mean

[sullen crane]

There’s dungeons, raids , open world bosses , boss battles ???

Lol

NPCs everywhere

[dusk bluff]

I don't think you understand what he is saying

There can be many things to do but the world still feels empty

[finite saffron]

Guys it's okay to like different things or have different standards for what you expect from a game try not to get too heated about it

[dusk bluff]

Ty daddy we love you !

[peak marsh]

Toasted, even?

[timber prism]

Starfield lmao

[dusk bluff]

Shh we don't talk about that here. I did enjoy starfield because I played it through game pass and didn't buy it lol

Probably would have been mad if I paid monies

[timber prism]

First thing I thought of when you made that statement haha

I'll have to play palworld more but currently I don't see how it is more or less empty than any other survival game

[sullen crane]

Like do you want it to be like ark and be a full time Job ?

[dusk bluff]

No idea I don't have interest myself I might try it once it's a full game

[sullen crane]

The only thing that keeps ark and rust standing is it’s literally grindy for no reason

[timber prism]

I plan on binging it starting tonight so I'll see how it goes

[sullen crane]

There’s nothing to do

[timber prism]

There are 111 pals to capture right now that is something to do

[dusk bluff]

Report back with a 10 page report detailing your enjoyment on sunday

[timber prism]

Will do!

🫡

[sullen crane]

150

[timber prism]

Oh wow!

[sullen crane]

Also u even have alpha and shiny pal rare variants u can grind for with different skills

That regulars don’t have

Also this is a game where u should u should be exploring and playing with friends.

[timber prism]

Yeah! My friend set up a dedicated server

[sullen crane]

Also before you judge an early access game u need to remember you are paying to play A EARLY VERSION / beta !!!! U are not playing a finished product. You are playing a game still in development. So yes content will be missing. Please look into the game u are buying

[dusk bluff]

Yes we know.

Anyways, any other pokemon rom hack enjoyers?

[near girder]

Regarding Palworld... anyone figure out how to get your pals to eat anything other than red berries? I got a popup saying to feed them higher quality food, but they don't seem to want anything else.

[peak marsh]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YUGD8uApp_I

[rapid yoke]

WoW killer, don't even

[lilac adder]

Isn't that all survival craft tho. Grindy, build base, rpg elements..connan exile & valheim are my favorites... But... It applies to them to no?

[peak marsh]

I wouldn't say all, but yeah, grind is inherant to the genre

[craggy egret]

The trick is being grindy without making it feel that way

[peak marsh]

Or making the grind therapeutic. There are a lot of people who will happy chop trees for days so long as the chopping is relaxing and satisfying

[craggy egret]

You just described me to a T

[dusk bluff]

Runescape

[sturdy otter]

I'm a really good tasker

So I don't mind doing the task things

I always try to replenish what I use too

[dusk bluff]

I task you with putting 1 million dollars in my bank account go!

[sturdy otter]

I'm putting this cat up for adoption if anyone wants it

[lilac adder]

Seeing the tree drop and collision in valheim is beautiful

[sturdy otter]

The domino trees ,

[lilac adder]

Nothing more satisfying

[sturdy otter]

Lolll

[zinc sandal]

I wish this game had some of those valheim physics, like chopping trees to kill trolls down the hill

[craggy egret]

Tree felling in Valheim is top notch.

Any game that I can get my hands on that allows chopping trees down, is my kind of game.

[rapid yoke]

Valheim has a lot of great systems, and tree toppling is one of the best!

[near girder]

i really like the wagon system... any game that requires wagons/carts for transporting resources is a fun time

[rapid yoke]

The wagon idea is good, the system is terrible

[near girder]

life is feudal mmo did it best

[peak marsh]

I liked the resource transportation in general. A lot of people griped about not being able to teleport with materials, but I actually liked that system. Having to think about transporting materials adds another layer to the gathering, and sailing into port with a hull full of iron was highly satisfying

(Ignoring the fact that you were never 'supposed' to settle in Valheim, the entire idea was that you're supposed to be like a viking explorer and make small settlements wherever the thing you needed is)

[timber prism]

killing friends with trees is the best

[queen mango]

You weren't supposed to settle? Huh... well they certainly made a lot of mechanics to encourage settling 🤔 whoops lol

[peak marsh]

The idea was you were supposed to island hop until you reached your destination, like Leif Erricson sailing for Vineland. The design intent was that you island hopped until you reached the last biome, then you settled. Problem is people settled on the very first starter island and complained about it

[queen mango]

So, the Ashlands?

[peak marsh]

I mean, depends on what point in the game you played, but yeah. You're supposed to be constantly progressing, not settling down. I mean you can settle down immediately, but then the game is going to feel hard and you're going to complain on DIscord and Reddit

[lilac adder]

To that point.. The beginner guide on their website is really helpful and explains just that

[zinc sandal]

Transporting wolves was a nightmare

[dusk bluff]

I settled and had 0 issues. You can literally just make portals everywhere lol

[zinc sandal]

They kept going off the boat

[peak marsh]

In vanilla you can't use portals with resources. That was the biggest complaint

[dusk bluff]

So world hop

Problem solved

[peak marsh]

That was a work around, but not really the design intent

[dusk bluff]

Barely took any time and fixed the issue

[peak marsh]

Modders resolved it anyways. The point I was on was that the people complaining about transporting resources missed the entire core point of what the developers intended

[dusk bluff]

My seed also made it so I didn't need to use a boat at all and the trader was at my base

If they didn't want me to world hop they would have fixed that mechanic

That's on them haha

[peak marsh]

Eh, people find enjoyment in their own ways

Personally at least on a first go-around, I like to try to experience the game the way the developers intended. They put a lot of time and effort into crafting the piece of art I'm consuming (game design is art IMO), so I want to try to experience what they wanted to convey

If that's overly obtuse, outright broken, or poorly done I'll skirt the systems, but if a game is crafted as well as Valheim was I want to give the intended experience a fair shake. I don't feel disappointed

Disappointed by the lack of follow-up maybe, but not by the core experience xD

[dusk bluff]

If I have to make multiple bases I find that poorly done imo

Yes let me gather more resources to build what I already have for no reason but to make the game take longer

[peak marsh]

I think it's less that and more atmosphere and lore. Vikings are a transient people, they were known for never settling in one place too long and braving the elements seek new, more fertile lands. Gameplay-wise, don't spent 5 hours on your temp shelter forehead xD

Again lore wise. Historically yes vikings had long standing cities with farming and animal husbandry and everything. That's just not the angle they were going for

[dusk bluff]

It's also like purgatory you are in so all of that kind of goes out the window

[peak marsh]

The idea of the purgatory is finding your way out. Valheim, in norse myth, was a purgatory where you weren't quite worthy of Valhalla (paradise) so you had to prove your worth as a warrior to get out. You don't prove your worth as a warrior by building a cottage and harvesting berries xD

[queen mango]

What happens to those that settle down in Valheim 🤔

[peak marsh]

They toil away, under constant attack and never really receiving the vindication or joy of paradise

Forgotten and obscure

[queen mango]

I thought all you had to do was die in combat. Guess not

[rapid yoke]

Goals

[peak marsh]

It depends on how you die in Norse myth

You die bravely fighting your enemy to the last blow? Paradise. You die falling off the bow of the boat and hitting your head on a rock? Purgatory

[queen mango]

Is there something worse than purgatory? Like dying in your bed of old age?

[peak marsh]

I mean, they had a form of hell, but that was more for deserters, liars, murderers, things like that

Dying of old age also sends you to purgatory

The idea behind the myth was redemption, as most religious/metaphysical teachings do. No matter what or how you are, there's always a chance to redeem yourself and be something better

Unless you're beyond redemption

[lilac adder]

Multiple bases as you travel is kind of expected. Even in real life if you travel, you'd have multiple bases of operation... What i would like tho id is for chest to be linked between the bases... I guess a fast mount makes it less needed

[peak marsh]

Thing is you were expected to explore more. If you pay attention to how the map algorithm lays things out, resources are never too far separated from one another. If you find an island with silver, odds are there's probably copper and iron nearby, and if not, you sail around until you find one that is. Most people just never explored that much

They stopped at the first island with silver and went "hey, why is my copper and iron so far away?"

[dusk bluff]

Depends on the seed

My seed everything was next to each other no island hopping needed

[rapid yoke]

Yeah really depends on the seed

I've been to large swamps with 1 crypt

[dusk bluff]

That too I explored and realized everything far away from my base sucked lol

[peak marsh]

I mean, I have 400 hours and played on dozens of seeds. Yeah sometimes you get a bunk one but a vast majority of the time it works out that way if you explore enough

[rapid yoke]

I think for the first time yeah, that's magical

[peak marsh]

It's just most people hit the resource the first time and stop exploring

I'd wager most don't even circumnavigate the island it's on, they just beeline for it

How would you even know if 85% of your map is gray?

[rapid yoke]

I mean, they explore again, and they see their second little meadows and they realize it's exactly the same as where they spawned, so they don't see the need to ever keep exploring

as soon as they see it's yet another coastal swamp, they just keep sailing if they have no reason to go to a swamp biome

[peak marsh]

That I'll grant. The random gen gets monotonous pretty quickly

[rapid yoke]

It really takes the fun out of exploring when there is zero reason to really do it once you've moved out of the space of needing it

Which is also why it sucks that later valheim didn't implement some kind of automation or ease of use for lower biome materials

Mistlands was a MIST opportunity to add a portal that could transport low level metals

[quaint cosmos]

The only ease we'd get is 1-shoting the mobs in the lesser biomes.

[peak marsh]

I mean, the reason is resources, there's a very compelling reason, but the desire after you've seen the 5th identical swamp with no crypts is what kills it

[rapid yoke]

At that point you're probably only going to get bronze for decorations though

why make it obnoxious to decorate?

[peak marsh]

Well, but that's another gameplay element lending to the exploration I'm talking about. You're supposed to be searching for that perfect land, and if the land you're in doesn't have everything you need conveniently, it's not perfect

Like Leif Erricson searching for Vineland

But what kills it is the random gen, you search 5 swamps and none of them have crypts with iron, even though they'd otherwise be in the perfect place, so you keep sailing and wandering more identical swamps but with things arranged around slightly differently

It kills the vibe

The payoff for exploration, at least in games, is the thrill of discovery and if there's nothing to discover it's just the gaming equivelant of filling out spreadsheets

The only reward is starting another spreadsheet

[quaint cosmos]

I felt that way with Elden Ring. After unlocking the map, I'd use a wiki to find missing talismans or gear. The world was empty after all the bosses were down.

[rapid yoke]

I think a lot of open worlds suffer from checklist syndrome for sure

Ghost of Tsushima was a lovely game that definitely had this problem in the end.

Oh neat, the fifth little fox shrine, this was fun at first, but it's just all the same now

oh wow, now the 10th fox shrine, oh super stale, may as well just get through the game now

[peak marsh]

Yeah, Skyrim delves got there for me

[rapid yoke]

Enshrouded will suffer from that, but it may be lessened a bit if we also have a need to be there (resources/progress)

[quaint cosmos]

I just seached "Ghosts of Tsushima" on steam and only got "Pixel Samurai"

[rapid yoke]

I think it was PS exclusive

[quaint cosmos]

i remember the videos. It looked really nice.

[rapid yoke]

Their in game art and lighting was superb in some places

[peak marsh]

I dont think it will because it's a handcrafted map. I have more hours in The Forest than I do in any other survival game in my library and part of that is because while I've been over every inch of that map, areas of it are unique and I don't see the same thing 3 or 4 times in the span of 5 minutes

[rapid yoke]

Well even if a map is handcrafted

It can still suffer from "just another ruin"

[peak marsh]

It can, but given what I've seen so far I'm not convinced it will

[rapid yoke]

Making each POI unique and perhaps interesting in some way is what makes them special, even if it's just some lore note

and enshrouded is doing a good job of that

but by the end of the game, the 20th spire puzzle could feel very samey

[peak marsh]

The thing is it doesn't take a lot of differences. Even subtle tweaks and interesting unique surprises can give a similar area an entirely different feel. I have a feeling that's what they're going for. Zelda: BotW could have been theorized about similiarly with all the caves and encampments but that team managed to make everything feel just unique enough that you didn't get the sense of being on a treadmill, I feel like this is in a similar vein

[rapid yoke]

Yeah they can have just enough difference that it works

[peak marsh]

Thats the beauty of hand-crafted maps. You have an actual human to step in and go "you know what, this feels too same-y"

Ideally, an actual human artist

[rapid yoke]

and level designer

[peak marsh]

Tomato potato xD

Level designers are artists too

[rapid yoke]

In the way a interior designer is an artist sure

[peak marsh]

That's a good analogy, and yes, they are. Layout is an art form, if you're not sure take a bunch of assets and lay out a compelling level xD

Much like take a room and a bunch of furniture and set it out in a way that isn't just functional, but eye catching and conversation starting

[rapid yoke]

We all played with legos, some of us are just better at it than others

[peak marsh]

I mean, some of us took mismatched blocks and made starships while others made scale models of the town in Dragonheart

Art is art

[rapid yoke]

Totally

[timber prism]

Love this game

Probably one of my favorite PS games in recent history tbh

[regal hatch]

@rapid yoke hello

[rapid yoke]

Hi

[regal hatch]

Did you play palworld?

[rapid yoke]

Nope

A friend of mine did today though

[regal hatch]

Game is average 😁

[rapid yoke]

his ultimate conclusion is, it felt fun, it never felt like he was going on any adventures and he'd play again, but would be totally fine if he never did

which yeah, screams average

[regal hatch]

Plus point only Pokemon

I means pal😂

@rapid yoke do you play mobile game

[rapid yoke]

nah

[regal hatch]

You should try this one

[rapid yoke]

Looks like it could be fun, but I just don't use my phone for games

[formal niche]

I will be surprised if Palworld doesn't win game of the year.

[prisma gorge]

Dunno if early access would win that. We also have some stacked games this year. That said, it’s getting huge vis

[obtuse scroll]

You can't win Game of the Year, if you don't have a released game

[prisma gorge]

I bet ff7 rebirth is gonna be a big contender

Dragons Dogma 2 looks fire as well

[obtuse scroll]

EA games are unable to win. Technically if Enshrouded does well (even in EA) and releases this year like they hope, then they could still be GotY because they release this year. I have no idea what Palworld's release schedule looks like.

[obtuse scroll]

I didn't play the first one, but the previews for the 2nd one looks really good. I have it on my list for trying later.

[prisma gorge]

First one was great but def a lil clunky. I think this one is a perfect jumping in point honestly.

[obtuse scroll]

I'm definitely going to keep an eye on it.

[lapis panther]

Is Palworld really blowing up as much as I'm hearing about it??

[peak marsh]

Sure. lolmemes do that xD

[craggy egret]

Million copies in 8 hours and currently at about 485K online.. not too shabby for day 1

[lapis panther]

bruh 💀

whateven

[peak marsh]

My advice, give it a week

[lapis panther]

I'm waiting for sure

[peak marsh]

If it's hype it'll fizzle out, if not it'll stay where it is, either way, reviews will come back to give you an idea if it's for you or not

[reef bobcat]

How soon before Pokémon company sues pal world if content people keep spreading brand confusion

[obtuse scroll]

Well, it is very very close to pokemon, it even has pokeballs....

[reef bobcat]

On of the big mean looking pal looks like the main pokemon

[obtuse scroll]

I saw. One of them made me double take cause I swore it was a pokemon.

[reef bobcat]

I’m surprised the Japanese haven’t sued yet

They hold their ip very close

Up

[obtuse scroll]

With an IP like Pokemon, it's not surprising. Especially since this game has underlying things that don't seem like they'd be to the morals of Pokemon.

[reef bobcat]

I saw a video titled what if USA made Pokémon

[obtuse scroll]

LOLOLOL That's definitely not a nice title, but it's not wrong

[sullen crane]

[compact void]

holy cow. Guess people were really hungry for a new pokemon game

[timber prism]

Yeah.. its the fun part of capturing pokemon and leveling up of pokemon but having base management with them. Its different enough that it feels new compared to actually playing a Pokemon game

Dedicated servers are fun you can even turn on pvp

[queen mango]

The just announced 2 million copies sold

I hope Enshrouded sells 5 million next week 😃

or more

[rare owl]

No way they going to release next week, especially if they dont want to lose a huge amount of sales, Palworld is a survival game similar to ARK, Enshrouded, Vallheim etc and everyone playing it right now

[queen mango]

what are you saying? that they are going to delay? I don't see that happening

besides, Palworld is meh for me. I want that Enshrouded

[rapid yoke]

There is a really small chance they delay, but if they do, we'd find out Monday.

[rare owl]

If they dont want to fail they will, not matter what a few people think about Palworld, most of the survival and open world fans are playing it and its just growing and not even peaked yet

[rapid yoke]

I didn't know 2 million is most of the open world survival crafting game population

[rare owl]

Yesterday when i went bed 350k was the peak and started declining, but today when i woke up already 500k player is playing

And they sold 2 million copies since the release

They posted it 10 minutes ago or so

[queen mango]

I think Enshrouded will surpass Palworld in the long run. Maybe I'm biased.

[rare owl]

The hype is just started today

Im going to buy Enshrouded because its looks good, but they are going to hurt the game if they release next week

[rapid yoke]

It won't hurt the game

[rare owl]

No way people are going to drop Pal for En

Especially when all the big streamers are playing

[rapid yoke]

Big streamers toss games left and right

[regal hatch]

I will

[queen mango]

A single anecdote, but my coworker, who freaking loves Pokemon, wears a clipon pokemon magnet on his lanyard, plays the card game, etc, etc. Still says he's going to drop Palworld on wednesday.

[rapid yoke]

There is absolutely room for both worlds

[rare owl]

Yes

Just not in the same time

[rapid yoke]

No, there is enough of a market for both

It's a venn diagram, not a circle

[rare owl]

Im 100% sure you are wrong

[regal hatch]

😂

[rare owl]

And almost 100% sure they are going to delay

[rapid yoke]

Sounds like you've got your feelings on the matter

[rare owl]

Because if you know how market work you are not going to risk your x year work

Feelings on what lol?

[queen mango]

Unfortunately there's never gonna be a way for us to know whether Pal release hurts En.

[rare owl]

Maybe you because you dont want a delay

[rapid yoke]

On what you think is going to happen?

[rare owl]

Because its just common sense

[rapid yoke]

Common sense told us many wrong things, we'd be wise not to trust it

[rare owl]

You dont need to trust me i didnt asked for that

[rapid yoke]

I didn't say not to trust you

[rare owl]

Im just telling you its going to be a delay or just 50k max player peak

[rapid yoke]

I said not to trust common sense

[queen mango]

I get a vibe from Toast that they aren't trying too hard to smash out the gate with EA

!hype

[modern gyro]

Hype is not good for you, and it's not (really) good for us! Be excited, but always know what you're getting into. More on that here: #the-tavern message

Created by coolusernamebro#0 (999596436217933875)

[rapid yoke]

Also what Naxos just said

Devs really are pushing the hype down

Tempering expectations

I don't think they really care about day 1 sales explosion

That's not the measure of a good game anyway

[rare owl]

Sorry but this is a dumb take

They are working for money not for free

[rapid yoke]

THey don't need their money all at once

[rare owl]

If they fail to make money they lose all of their work

[queen mango]

in some ways it makes sense... you'd rather get a small set of hardcore players testing your EA game, for a discount, and then make more money later on full release. Whether they can actually contain the hype remains to be seen haha

[rapid yoke]

Like businesses don't need to make 10 million dollars in a week and then never make money again

[rare owl]

They need to feed their families etc they are not working for free lol

[rapid yoke]

Plenty of room for steady sales

[queen mango]

IIRC they got a $10 million investment?

so EA sales may not be critical

[rare owl]

EA sales are always a good indicator where is the game go

If it fails then hard to recover

[rapid yoke]

Fully, but day one sales are not

[rare owl]

Day 1 sales are the 90% of sales

[rapid yoke]

Huh?

[rare owl]

You can check everywhere

Day 1 sales are the biggest

Its not coming from my ass

[rapid yoke]

This is valheim alone:

[queen mango]

hey I'm in that first bar! 😊

[rare owl]

Dude you are posting the point, Vallheim sold 1 million day 1 lol

Imagine if its only 50k

Or less

[queen mango]

There's no way it's only 50k imo

[rapid yoke]

I think you're being disingenuous here, clearly the sales grow over time, and far less than 90% of their sales came from day one

[rare owl]

Same, but gambling is not a good thing

[hollow barn]

90% are after day 1 xD

[rare owl]

Oke

[rapid yoke]

More than 90% come after day one actually

[rare owl]

We can talk again next week

When they delay or release

[obtuse scroll]

This is turning into more argument than talking other games, keep it civil and head back to topic. There have been a few rude comments that are starting to border on unacceptable. Please keep it civil. Also, remember our language is pg for a family friendly environment.

[regal hatch]

🤣

[queen mango]

Out of genuine confusion... I'm not sure which comments were rude? Were any of mine?

[hollow barn]

2mil € from Germany and then from Tencent and Hiro Capital

[queen mango]

how much from Tencent / Hiro, if you know?

[rapid yoke]

Its 10

from Hiro

Series B funding about three years ago

[obtuse scroll]

You have not hit rude at this point, other statements have, but just keep in mind this is a friendly environment and we're asking for the conversation to move on. If any of you wish to keep going, please take to dms

[queen mango]

🫡

Anyway I hope Enshrouded does quite well next week

[timber prism]

As much fun as Palworld is.. Im still going to be playing Enshrouded

[rapid yoke]

I'm not even touching palworld, my friend that was playing today also really didn't seem stoked to go back to it

but this is all anecdotal

I do like that our trolly accounts are both named Firestarter and Toxic

Sensing a trend XD

[queen mango]

I played about 90 minutes last night on release. On gamepass so I didn't spend $$, but it didn't really push my particular buttons. I was never super into pokemon

[rapid yoke]

I think it just ends up shallow too, the gameplay is very repetitive and the world is so very empty once you start to actually branch out. I hope Palworld does wonderfully and their audience loves the game. There's room for both games within the space for sure, especially since they aren't major overlaps. I actually feel like Palworld is likely to bring more newcomers to the OWSC market than Enshrouded, which I'm happy with!

[hollow barn]

Palworld probably also attracts pokemon players

[rapid yoke]

Right

People looking for a fresh mon game and have been disappointed by past pokemon games

[queen mango]

I wonder if gamepass installs are included with that 2 million 🤔

[rapid yoke]

Usually not Naxos

[timber prism]

I think what this game really does well is base management with friends and the capturing of shinies is awesome

i dont even like pokemon but this game feels great

[rapid yoke]

How deep in ar you Ticonz?

[timber prism]

I think my group base is about 10 or 11 atm?

its super comfy gameplay and i think another positive is how well they did the hunger levels