other-games

[peak marsh]

+1000 internet points. I too refuse to give money to EA and also Activision

Lately Blizzard also, though before things got too terrible I did buy D2 Remaster

After the workplace conditions/Diablo Immortal nonsense it pains me to say that, but it is legitimately well done and makes a perfect Switch title. Plus I've been dreaming of playing actual D2 on a handheld pretty much since it came out

Like, literally at the time I remember holding a GBA and thinking "man, it would be so dope if this could play Diablo 2" and here we are

[tepid wadi]

I guess I don't share most of the nostalgia that a lot of D2 fans have. I played a ton of it back in the day, but I feel like gaming has come so far since then that it's tough to look back and really miss it.

Like, give me Grim Dawn or Last Epoch or PoE over D2 any day.

[peak marsh]

I don't think you're wrong. I catch myself feeling that way. D2 just had such a total package between the story, the graphic design/atmosphere, the sound design, the character customization, and the way killing a boss is like a loot pinata. It isn't exceptional in any one thing it does these days but it's exceptional in how they all work together

But yes, it is very very dated in all of those things minus the soundtrack. Whoever played acoustic guitar for Diablo 2 is one of my favorite musicians

Matt Uelmen. He played some really tasty stuff on that

Plus playing through the journey, downfall, and eventual redemption of Marius was really cool. I love the way the story takes place just a few steps ahead of the player. The feeling of chasing after Diablo and Marius really helped drive the gameplay when it got tedious (looking at you, Arcane Sanctuary). I honestly wish more games would use that storytelling idea, watching what happened just before you got there and having to clean up after while trying to catch the characters really was a brilliant move in driving the (admittedly) repetitive gameplay.

It really gave a sense of urgency and purpose to the grind

Like, on a first run/casual run you aren't grinding up because you want the epic shiny or to be OP for the boss, you're doing it because Diablo was JUST in this cave and you need to be prepared for the fight ahead. Only to learn that you just missed him but you discovered where he's planning to go to next. The storytelling is absolutely superb

</Diablo2rant>

Playing is bittersweet, the remaster is great but it reminds me that Blizzard was once a much better company with significantly more integrity

(Also just to get ahead of it, everything said above is in my opinion, not empirical fact. Because almost everything said on Discord is in someone's opinion but unless you say that some emotionally damaged person will come along and hurl verbal abuse at you)

[tepid wadi]

Yeah, it sounds like you were a lot more invested in the story and gameplay loop than I was. I play ARPGs a lot more for the build creation puzzle solving aspect of it. I love finding new uniques and making builds and stuff like that, so my D2 memories mostly revolve around shenanigans I tried with the various classes.

Grind for me gets boring when I can't see a clear path to the next upgrade or I can see it but it's going to take an unreasonably long time to get to. So I don't really feel connected/nostalgic for D2 since I can get those things much more expansively in modern games

[peak marsh]

I do too (-edit- play for the puzzle solving bits), but it left such a strong first impression that I got invested. I fully understand not feeling the same way, broken down to it's nuts and bolts D2 isn't any great shakes by ARPG standards. Even then but especially today

I've never been a believer in 'sacred cows' (no that's not an intentional pun about the hidden cow level xD) in gaming. If you love a game or franchise you should acknowledge it's flaws and love it warts and all

I know in some circles games like D2 are talked about in reverant, hushed tones. I've never been one to drink that kool aid

I mean, frankly at the time I felt like Nox did more with it's gameplay and mechanics, it just didn't manage to wrap it all together as well

(Thats some ARPG deep cuts xD)

[tepid wadi]

Yeah I feel like there are a number of games like that that had good ideas but didn't have a nice whole package to wrap things up in.

[misty arch]

https://youtu.be/9SFcPQZiKp8?si=0SUANMyHDy4GfjBW

[misty arch]

https://youtu.be/YNcM83lqodc?si=WRdcQ0Ii9GG7M-rQ

[whole nacelle]

https://store.steampowered.com/app/363860/MythForce/

Steam

MythForce

Inspired by beloved Saturday morning cartoons, MythForce unites swords & sorcery with gripping 1st-person combat in a new roguelike adventure. Brave the dungeon alone or join forces with friends to take on an ever-changing Castle of Evil! Become a cartoon hero in a Saturday morning cartoon fantasy world. Scratch that nostalgic itch with wholesom...

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[hallow oracle]

I would recommend this game it's really good.

[reef bobcat]

I ❤️ roccat

[hallow oracle]

I get to|| play with|| my Monkey

Honestly it's a simple but fun game

[peak marsh]

Wow. Icarus is a game that definitely needs more time in the oven

Feels just barely a step above one of those shovelware Unity survivals

[burnt spear]

Yep, that's pretty much why I refunded it.

[peak marsh]

I played for like maybe an hour and uninstalled it. It was a free demo but part of me feels like I'm owed a refund anyway

[craggy wing]

This is me speaking as a gamer, not at all as a mod. My opinion is not by any means related to Keen Games'.

But holy hell, that's exactly what I feel about every game that Dean Hall/RocketWerkz puts out. That and how directionless their development seems to me. It's just a hard, hard pass for me.
Again, my personal opinion as a gamer.

[peak marsh]

Just looked up RocketWerkz, makes sense that this is the same studio behind Stationeers

[craggy wing]

And DayZ standalone

[peak marsh]

Yeah, just dug into their library and every game they publish has a distinct "Unity student project" feel to them. Which would be fine if they weren't selling one of those with a $141.99 DLC bundle edition

Gives me strong Conan vibes

[full acorn]

I really enjoyed this game!

[misty arch]

I liked the look of it but its lack of co-op held me back from getting it. Glad that has finally changed and looking forward to checking it out.

[full acorn]

Yeah I can imagine it being really fun to chill with a friend on there, honestly.

[eager storm]

Is there any other voxel building games that roughly look as good as enshrouded I can play while I wait? Valheim isn't voxel-based but it's quite fun as well.

[hallow oracle]

The added Co-Op to me seems like the game company just bowing to the few comments people left. The game doesn't need co-op

[peak marsh]

Yeah, not faulting anyone if they enjoy it but that seems like a game more than most that really doesn't need co-op

[peak marsh]

Not really and that's kinda the problem. This is really something unique in the way it's set up, I personally can't think of anything that would be similiar enough to scratch the itch

Just a lot of "kinda close, but" things. There's Valheim, which is kinda close but no skill tree and not voxel. There's Portal Knights, which is kinda close but it's got a chunkier Minecraft look and more simplistic building. So on and so on

Though Portal Knights is a great time if you've never tried it

[eager storm]

I have tried PK and it is a bit too kidlike for my taste...

[peak marsh]

Yeah, it's definitely strong with that whole whimsy thing. If you don't mind isometrics, V-Rising is a great survival game

But yeah, similar to Enshrouded, I don't think there are any. That's part of why it's getting so much hype

[misty arch]

well there is Dual Universe, but its sci-fi spaceships and voxel building to the extreme.

[peak marsh]

"Kinda close, but" xD

[quaint cosmos]

I hate that Remnant 2's DLC achievements are locked behind a paywall. Luckily, buying Ultimate edition gave me the DLC for free.

[misty arch]

https://www.pcgamer.com/fortnite-is-adding-a-lego-themed-survival-crafting-mode-that-includes-lego-versions-of-over-1200-pre-existing-skins/

[autumn sleet]

Here's another option that's not exactly new but has a new content Patch if you can get the Test Branch to work (I can't sadly): Mist Survival. I'm lowkey addicted to it so far, bought it like 4 days ago. It's not really like Enshrouded but IS a base builder, Survival game with Bandits that attack your Base and monsters around. Lots of bugs and janky mechanics though and has been in EA for ~5 years because I think it's just a 1 person Dev.

[full acorn]

[full acorn]

I don't like fortnite but they really do some impressive crossovers!

[hallow oracle]

Fortnite is soo last year! I was into Fortnite but ditched it when they started changing everything and introduced PvP. Yes that's right PvP was added after the PvE campaign

[untold lynx]

br'er Cristari with the stories from the olden times

[empty vortex]

soooooooo who all is excited that Medival Dynasty is getting multiplayer ?

[untold lynx]

I saw someone mention it this morning

I've never played it

is it fun?

[full acorn]

Its a very slow relaxing game.,I would say, it's fun if you like a sims management over crops, villagers, their jobs etc. Very relaxing. Until spring comes around and then you are left making knives all month.

[untold lynx]

wouldn't you be planting crops in Spring?

[peak marsh]

Depends on your desired outcome I suppose 🤔

[untold lynx]

you can say that about a lot of things

[full acorn]

All year round but spring is when tax is due

[untold lynx]

ah so knives to keep the tax men away

smort

[hallow oracle]

It's co-op really.

There is also Shingoku Dynasty as well it was still in development when I played that.

[full acorn]

Same developers I believe. I think I saw a short video on it a while back.

[misty arch]

its not a standard fortnite cross-over. It is a entirely new game type that is survival building.

[whole nacelle]

https://store.steampowered.com/app/2432990/Sanguivore_Twenty_Below/

Steam

Sanguivore: Twenty Below

Immerse yourself in a heart-pounding, first-person multiplayer horror experience that will keep you on the edge of your seat. Gather your courage and team up with up to four friends to brave this escape room-style nightmare. As survivors, your collective objective is to outsmart a gruesome end using every resource at your disposal.Step into the ...

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[peak marsh]

https://store.steampowered.com/app/2004640/Svarogs_Dream/

Steam

Svarog's Dream

Beta testers have said:"The gameplay is addictive and almost meditative.""I would describe it as Skyrim meeting Diablo.""A game with a soul, finally something unique and refreshing in a sea of similar games."Ever-changing worldIn Svarog's Dream, you will have absolute freedom to explore the world and make decisions.However, freedom comes with co...

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This just popped up on my radar

[empty vortex]

They just announced that the next major update will have coop and a new map

[misty arch]

well supposedly the gta6 trailer leaked. be careful roaming the internet for the rest of the day if you are waiting till tomorrow to see the official release.

it forced Rockstars hand, here is the official release
https://youtu.be/QdBZY2fkU-0?si=px5o8eQ2tzeAb6Yu

[full acorn]

Ah, its only coming in 2025...

[vagrant garnet]

It looks incredible

[hallow oracle]

yeah I know. that is what I was saying it's not really multiplayer it's just cooperative.

[hallow oracle]

It's CGI

They can make it look incredible

It's just a video wait until you see the gameplay then judge

[full acorn]

To be honest I don't think it will be that far off from the trailer. They still have a whole year to work on it, if there aren't any delays... and they didn't say it was going to be early 2025

[honest valley]

steam release 2027 or something

[full acorn]

Haha probably, might even be in beta for forever like RDR2 online

Damn, it still hurts the state it is in.

[quaint cosmos]

all the GTA games feel the same to me, i lost hype for it after GTA: SA

[finite saffron]

Every game up to GTAIV was pretty revolutionary, and GTAV was a pretty massive step up from 4 and pushed the bar pretty hard for what people expected from open world games.

They'll have a lot of work to do to hit the same level of noteriety with 6 though, because in a lot of ways the industry itself has kinda caught up. It's not nearly as unusual these days for massive scale games like that to come out

[rapid yoke]

Wild we get to play GTA VI before Enshrouded

[finite saffron]

Hah not quite, that game's planned to release in 2025

[vagrant garnet]

2025 < 2042

[merry moat]

Perhaps they are a time traveller

[timber prism]

https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/stormgate/stormgate/

[misty arch]

https://youtu.be/OGQn5eUL2Gg?si=Gq5Fj1xt-xM9lxG4

[misty arch]

can expect some major trailer announcements tomorrow during the show
https://www.youtube.com/live/Zu2z5M4gmno?si=WGz8JoxHEQsyBZes

[obtuse zinc]

i didn't realise the game awards were tomorrow, i thought they were friday

well i guess technically they are for me being in scotland

[peak marsh]

The game awards are an event where the gaming press takes turns patting each other on the back for their respective takes

The patting is done with stacks of money they recieved from the industry

[misty arch]

I could care less about the awards themselves. just interested in the reveal trailers for upcoming games.

[peak marsh]

Trailers are for the most part just CGI cinematics. I'm interested in gameplay, not cinematics

[quaint cosmos]

Gameplay really sells it or not for me, because if our combat actions are slow, I would avoid that game.

[peak marsh]

I mean, I don't think I'm alone when I say that I'm tired of games companies advertising with CG 'interpretations' of their game without showing the actual game. Awards shows/trade shows do it, they do it on Steam, 'teaser trailers' do it (looking at you GTA 6). Like, I don't care about how good a cinematic you can make, I care about how good a game you can make, show me the game

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5dsKm_Dcwoo

The first 60 seconds of that video explains exactly why I feel that way

Seriously, just watch the first 60 seconds, it makes my point far better than I can

[quaint cosmos]

The only thing I got from that video is to afk for my resting skill and be fast at afk healing.

Everything else is too slow paced for me.

[rapid yoke]

The GTA VI trailer looks really bad for modern CGI, it's likely gameplay footage. Cinematic footage, but still rendered gameplay footage.

and likely a lot of the dialogue was direct game/story footage. They'll show other gameplay footage later, and I bet it will be just fine for a GTA game.

[hallow oracle]

I'm going to need to go back and play thins again https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wctWRXdrplY&t=106s

[misty arch]

https://youtu.be/IQa0DPPBtYM?si=Y7hELocqA12xDqY7

[misty arch]

https://www.ign.com/articles/lego-fortnite-takes-survival-crafting-to-a-whole-new-level

[finite saffron]

That combination of things is so bizzare that it kinda sounds like a parody lol

[timber prism]

I thought most of that was all in game cinematic stuff from the engine... not CGI

[rapid yoke]

right

[timber prism]

For console, I thought it looked fine. I enjoyed how dense the population was so looking. I hope it is that way when its released for PS5 Pro

[hallow oracle]

Epic Games realised long ago that Fortnite was a meme, it's not surprising you see a parody there.

[quaint cosmos]

Fortnite is just roblox now.

[misty arch]

https://youtu.be/iX0eEZvCJcg?si=2HwQbslVSSIWka5C

https://youtu.be/cKtbHBEuVbA?si=ye18w1DVqeH8h-Ix

https://youtu.be/yXT9Lzrt7E8?si=v8ONu2yEL4knj46m

by Bethesda

[misty arch]

https://youtu.be/R3zJPgIDtuk?si=_s1gwCtQSLrRfvEi

[misty arch]

the new game from No Man Sky developers
https://youtu.be/jKQem4Z6ioQ?si=e5XY9g3gzeC02mxS

[tepid wadi]

That's actually really exciting. I've always thought that NMS's procedural generation engine would be better for a single world than it is for a universe

And it looks like it's going to be a sort of MMO survival game, which could be dooooope if done right.

[misty arch]

Out Now
https://youtu.be/DiSDlPc7r0g?si=P-_0ewDYUMN8Ci-a

[misty arch]

you get to fly a dragon and how much you want to bet that will be the new "ship collecting" in the game.

no surprise, they deserved it, Baldurs Gate 3 game of the year

[tepid wadi]

Yep, well earned

[burnt spear]

Definitely waiting on this one. Dragon mounts... I'm sold.

[reef bobcat]

how do i use armor reduction kits in conan exiles on pc

[obtuse scroll]

They didn't deliver on the last game at launch, so there's a chance they won't on the release of this one. They saved themselves after release, but it was still a hit at first. People are watching it though. I mean with 17 developers, a MMO is a pretty crazy goal

[burnt spear]

Oh I know.

I owned NMS from Launch. I'm a 'First Iteration'.

Still play it.

[obtuse scroll]

They made up for it, but it was still a rocky start

[burnt spear]

Yeah, and it looks like this game is built at least in part on the systems they've built up in NMS, so I have a bit more faith they can deliver with this than they did with NMS.

They're not starting from scratch like they did with NMS.

[misty arch]

exactly. and dont have to worry about leaving a planet and having to generate whole other systems. Its just one planet with all the aspects of nms.

[signal heron]

Hey how come I see no one on here recommending The day before? 🤭🤣😂

[misty arch]

this why
https://www.youtube.com/live/rO21N8c6hbg?si=iXIJPyEE1vhBmsz0

[obtuse scroll]

LOL the game that came the day before all the good games and still failed

[amber lagoon]

got some awesome as hell upcoming games

monster hunter 6
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1VcJx-SlSVs

a new survival game from the devs of nomanssky
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H3MuuGU3brY

[amber lagoon]

because the game is sketchy af

[amber lagoon]

we see a ship in the game though

so there might be some ships we can collect too 🤔

[misty arch]

I saw giant birds that you could fly but no ship. Unless you are talking about the thing that looked kind of like a floating island?

[untold lynx]

damn seizure alert

[peak marsh]

I was wondering if Hello Games was ever going to get to work on something besides NMS. I know they had a lot to do to make things right with that one but I feel like they've done that several times over now

Also, new Monster Hunter. Hype

[hallow oracle]

Sony tends to plan out their assets activities

With the initial failure of NMS I doubt they will get a solid bash at another game

Guerrilla games did a great job of the Killzone games and they had to make 3 of them before doing something else

[tepid jungle]

still kinda waiting for someone to find malware in the game files

[peak marsh]

WDYM? A Russian developed game with a turbulent development cycle that asks for data permissions on a PC? I see nothing alarming there

[untold lynx]

what

[peak marsh]

Sorry, Russian mobile developer

[untold lynx]

it's not the part I am taking issue with lol

[peak marsh]

True story, I was watching a Second Wind live stream of it and it asks for data permissions

Well, to be clear it asks if you want to transmit "partial or full data", but that's murkey enough as it is

Read that EULA closely kids

[finite saffron]

What website is the stream on?

[peak marsh]

It was on YouTube, just look for the Second Wind channel (bunch of people from The Escapist including Yahtzee who left do do their own thing)

[finite saffron]

Ah is this the youtube app?

Has nothing to do with the creator, youtube "needs" that for you to use livestreaming

Though yeah it certainly makes you think that they need that permission now and didn't need it a few years ago lol

[peak marsh]

https://www.youtube.com/live/Rgmf217SVAY?si=zGtn_0NSytPUMG6Z

I think they were doing their own streaming, it was the game asking for permissions

[honest valley]

🤣

[finite saffron]

YouTube creators don't have the power to do that, or any of the major streaming platforms for that matter (twitch, tiktok, steam store, etc). Speaking as someone with experience of what kind of tools creators have on all those platforms.

However the platforms themselves do collect and store data on all their users, either for on-platform uses like advertising and algorithm recommendations, or to sell it to third parties.

[autumn sleet]

For those like myself who never heard of it before about ~2 weeks ago, Mist Survival has a new Patch on the Live Branch 0.6.0. It's a solo Dev who just updated the entire game to UE5 and added a new Zone to the map (2 Zones now) as well as new Infected (Zombie like). I'm completely addicted to it so far and it's dirt cheap on Steam.
https://store.steampowered.com/app/914620/Mist_Survival/

Steam

Mist Survival

ABOUT THIS GAME Players will be immune from the virus outbreak and must survive the situation by hoarding food, finding shelter and protecting yourself from wildlife, bandits, and infected. Players can also help other survivors and get the survivors to join your camp. Players will experience dense mist that can happen at any time. The de...

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[peak marsh]

Maybe I misunderstood. They're long time game journalists who stream regularly and they seemed surprised by it, so the impression I got was that it was the game itself asking. It's early in the stream if you want to see what I mean

Ill double check myself after work

[craggy wing]

Who could've seen that coming 👀

[peak marsh]

Personally I'm shocked

Though I looked at the reviews a bit at work. My favorite so far just says "This is why aliens don't talk to us"

[edgy kernel]

i was hype for alot of games this year that were similar but its not even suprising when a game flops like this anymore

[peak marsh]

@finite saffron https://youtu.be/Rgmf217SVAY?t=95 here it is. He mentions the game asking him if he wants to send his full data or "limited data" and mentions that he's never had a game ask him that before

[finite saffron]

ohhhhh the game itself, sorry I totally misunderstood lol

That's... bizzare. What does that even mean lol

[peak marsh]

He was perplexed too xD

[finite saffron]

I assume they did it for... legal reasons? But it's such a vague statement that I have doubts it would hold up in a court whatsoever lol

You need to actually say what you're tracking not just a vague... "data"

[peak marsh]

Plus they're a Russian studio, so I'm not sure they care about courts

[peak marsh]

Well this one especially if you've been following the news on it isn't surprising at all. It had all the hallmarks of a bait and switch and lo and behold, here we are

[spice jolt]

https://youtu.be/jKQem4Z6ioQ?si=cQc62yASRjertAbC

Damn. Hello Games coming back around with this…..

[peak marsh]

Yeah. I have mixed feelings. Given how NMS turned out, I'm pretty excited but they're already coming out of the gate swinging with the big promises. They plan to have a procedurial world "the size of the Earth"

Sit down and have a think for a minute about just how massive that actually is

[finite saffron]

It's a lot smaller than their original NMS promises to be fair lol

[peak marsh]

Yeah, that's true xD

[finite saffron]

Actually technically a lot smaller than NMS is as well. Size doesn't really mean a lot when it's generated indefinitely with code

[edgy kernel]

they can make it the size of earth but i already know its just gonna be like starfield and be empty

[peak marsh]

But also densely packed

[finite saffron]

Though hello games seems like a pretty chill studio honestly, I don't think they were ever con artists... Intentionally. I think they just didn't hire a CM and a lead dev who knew nothing about public speaking handled all the interviews. If I had let some of the devs I've worked with previously handle all public communication instead of me it probably would have went pretty similarly.

[peak marsh]

Like, for their sake I kinda wish they had just said "we're working on a fantasy themed open world game" and left it mysterious

[finite saffron]

And taking the time to actually fix their mistakes is extremely admirable, they easily could have just put that funding somewhere else.

[peak marsh]

Oh yeah, if anything the guy they picked as their pitch-man was the major issue, I'm just saying this smacks a bit of history repeating itself

[edgy kernel]

i think its because they promised a bunch did none of it and then ghost people for so long they were getting lawsuits?

[peak marsh]

I have massive respect for Hello for the follow-up they did with NMS but it feels a bit like they didn't take their lessons from that experience. I'm hoping I'm wrong and even if I'm not they absolutely deserve benefit of the doubt, it's just.... ehhhhhh

[edgy kernel]

idk exactly what it was i just know something forced them to work on the game mightve just been steam community

[peak marsh]

It was their own reputation at stake

[balmy flare]

Can't agree more, love when games (or anyone/anything) does this

[edgy kernel]

if the game is even half as good as the trailer then its already better than half the games out this year

[peak marsh]

Agreed, though I love it more when they don't have to. Like, when they don't overpromise, give development the time it needs, and release a product that meets or exceeds expectation. Too many studios took their example to mean "we can dump betas and alphas out there and just promise to fix it later"

[tepid wadi]

Maybe they learned their lesson, lol

[balmy flare]

ye that's very true

[tepid wadi]

I'm pretty stoked for it, I've always liked the idea of a single world with amazing proc-gen over a big universe

[peak marsh]

Yeah, all said I'm definitely stoked

[finite saffron]

I think they already did a long time ago, the way they've handled communication since launch has been much more professional and reasonable

[edgy kernel]

i just want more dev teams like Re-logic

made terraria one of the highest rated games great updates and the best part

they know when to stop adding stuff

[peak marsh]

Terraria is a fine example of the right way to do that kind of thing. Start with "here's this game we did" then without a whole lot of radio noise, just keep adding things and building the quality

[finite saffron]

Though I will say a lot of people saying "I wish more studios were like" hellogames, relogic, mojang, etc. Isn't really the fairest comparison.

Hello games for example, while their behavior was admirable, it also would be quite literally impossible for most studios.

The reason NMS was able to create so many amazing patches after such an awful launch, was because the launch actually wasn't awful. NMS made so much money on pre-orders alone that the studio was set for literally years after that point, no matter what happened.

And yeah it's nice they didn't just take the money and run, but most botched launches don't have the luxury to make that choice. Most studios are already in the hole financially (or very close to it) by the time they launch, so they're almost always forced to either close down or at the very least pivot to a new project if the launch doesn't go well.

Terraria too for example, that's a team of only 3 devs, and they're all insanely rich. They can honestly do whatever they want

[peak marsh]

Hello is an example of the right way to put out a dumpster fire. Like, the ideal situation is to not be in their position to begin with

[finite saffron]

Yeah mostly just saying they are incredibly unique, because while their launch was a PR disaster, it was actually a massive financial success. They more than paid off the cost of development literally months before the game even launched, just because of preorders

[peak marsh]

I feel like people take the wrong moral away from that story

[edgy kernel]

yeah but i feel like its more hello kept going because it was a small group of programmers who decided to rent an office and work from there

and tbf mojang is just lazy

[peak marsh]

Mojang the developer isn't. He did what he did and sold the whole thing to MS back in like 2014. Kind of a depressing story really, he poured years into MC and made it a success, and after he sold it he found he wasn't a fan of the 'millionaire lifestyle' and missed having a project and a purpose. Saddest millionaire you could meet

[honest valley]

you mean notch?

[edgy kernel]

yeah notch isnt the problem its mojang almost having a stroke when you ask them to add more than 1 mob

[peak marsh]

Err right, my bad. Got it confused

[edgy kernel]

since the first version of minecraft was made in 6 days

[finite saffron]

To be fair to mojang MCs base code is uh... It's somethin

I imagine the spaghetti code base only causes more and more problems as they keep adding content

[edgy kernel]

all im sayin is

[honest valley]

https://tenor.com/view/todd-howard-it-just-works-bethesda-this-all-just-works-gif-20598651

[edgy kernel]

you take away mods and mysteriously

no one plays minecraft anymore

[honest valley]

spaggetti code is rather tasty tho

[edgy kernel]

minecraft java or bethesda code whos winning the crash off?

the two superpowers of broken code

[peak marsh]

Darn, you beat me to the spaghetti code comment xD

[finite saffron]

My favorite spaghetti code situation is probably osu!, the developers are literally rebuilding the exact same game from scratch because the original 2008 version was so broken that they started to get to the point where they couldn't add new features anymore

It's almost done I think last time I checked

but it's like... Literally the same game. No changes. The code just works better lol

Honestly probably more difficult than just making a new game. Trying to recreate the feel of an old game, but with completely different code... Yeah I don't envy that.

[peak marsh]

I mean technically this is untrue. Much like Skyrim, somewhere right now someone is starting a new Minecraft world

It's one of those games you get bored with, put down for a few years, then you see it in your library and go "oh hey...."

[edgy kernel]

im talkin about minecraft without the mods

[peak marsh]

Me too xD

[edgy kernel]

what?

idk how people play mc without em

[peak marsh]

Depends on how good you are with redstone

[edgy kernel]

im just talkin about it content wise

its a game about building,exploring or combat

[peak marsh]

I mean, technically it's the game equivelant of Seinfeld. It's a game about nothing

[edgy kernel]

all except combat are kinda poop without some type of mod

starfield is trash but it does have quests

weapon varity

yeah ngl i cant think of anything else starfield has

[peak marsh]

Maybe a dated reference. Check the spelling on what I said again xD

[edgy kernel]

my bad i thought it was a typo

[peak marsh]

It kinda was, I spelled his name wrong xD

[edgy kernel]

i never watched seinfeld so idk what any of that means

[peak marsh]

The tagline for the show was that it was "a show about nothing"

[honest valley]

starfield was ok in the combat but the main selling point, exploration, is very bad

[peak marsh]

Without getting into an essay about Seinfeld that's what I was driving at. I'll take my walker and my Metamucil back to my corner xD

[honest valley]

starfield just made me miss skyrim lmao

[finite saffron]

Not honestly sure why people were upset about Starfield, it's... A bathesda game. It's interesting for me to see this cycle repeat over, and over, and over again lol. It's happened with I think every game they've made since fo3. Massive overhype, insane numbers of preorders, and then people being disappointed when it's not as good as the hype.

Starfield felt like every other Bathesda game that has come out in the last like... 2 decades. Decent and interesting, but janky

Even Skyrim was like... A total mess. It was just cooler back then because games of that scale didn't exist

[honest valley]

i just didnt like the exploration becoming the same few prefabed dungeons forever in starfield

[peak marsh]

Every Bethesda game has been the worst Bethesda game since Arena. I think Skyrim got reset as the new baseline because more people played it or Oblivion

[honest valley]

i enjoyed fallout 3, nv, and skyrim but yeah they are janky

[peak marsh]

Sorry I should say *Bethesda RPG

[finite saffron]

Starfield was nowhere near as bad as fo76 to be fair... Not sure if that's saying much

[honest valley]

yeah starfield wasnt very buggy for me thankfully

[peak marsh]

A raging case of Covid isn't as bad as 76 TBF

[edgy kernel]

bethesda is only so big cause of skyrim since its the only game they ever made that wasnt borderline unplayable

since fallout 4 is still unplayable because of how they made their saves work

[finite saffron]

I'm just a little surprised people keep hyping these games up so much, how many times does this cycle have to repeat before people learn?

I just assume the game will be a buggy mess, and then wait to see what people say about it. If it ends up not being that I'll be pleasantly surprised and have a fun game to enjoy lol

[edgy kernel]

because gamers dont learn

unless you sit them infront of a tutorial

[peak marsh]

Oblivion was huge... Morrowind was huge... Daggerfall was huge... It's just more people got exposure because of Oblivion and Skyrim

[edgy kernel]

they were huge but they were huge for their time

bethesda aint making anything great in a time where many other games are just as big

idk bout daggerfall cause ive never even seen it

[peak marsh]

I mean, are we talking money or quality?

[finite saffron]

Yeah they need to move past creation engine honestly, but I imagine most of their team has mastered it over the past several decades so that's probably extremely difficult for them

[edgy kernel]

but ik morrowind was just fly glitching

quality

[peak marsh]

Daggerfall was literally the largest open world RPG ever made until Skyrim happened

[edgy kernel]

creation engine is horrendous

i assume it was the same thing for each game then

[finite saffron]

It was a very good engine, but with what most modern engines can do these days it has very little going for it

[edgy kernel]

dagger fall is the biggest then morrow then oblivion etc

its crazy how they use it still

for example

you can get all creation club content on fallout 4 for free

[peak marsh]

Yeah, they're too married to it, they really need to figure out Creation 2.0 or whatever the next evolution is

[edgy kernel]

hope they just move to a new engine or unreal

[peak marsh]

They definitely won't move to Unreal, no way Bethesda is going to work under Epic's thumb

[edgy kernel]

theres a reason why only bethesda games have mods entirely for fixing half the game

[finite saffron]

It's not that crazy tbh. Honestly it's probably a pretty tough spot for them. They have entire teams of devs who have spent years mastering this specific outdated engine, who probably know very little about working with ue5 or whatever other major engine that would be a better fit.

Their best bet would be creating their own engine from scratch that can actually catch up to modern ones, but given Starfield it doesn't seem like CE2 accomplished that.

[edgy kernel]

i aint seeing no unoffical fix of 5 gbs for other games

[honest valley]

most other games arent even mod friendly enough for people to even develop patches for it

[peak marsh]

That's what I mean, they should have spent the dev time for Starfield working on the next step of the Creation engine, whatever they're doing TES6 in (because if it's Creation than lord have mercy)

[edgy kernel]

feels like they should just focus on story telling and poi quality instead of trying to 1 up their last game with a bigger map

[finite saffron]

TES6 is also CE2 yep

[peak marsh]

RIP

[edgy kernel]

its not that alot of games arnt mod friendly its just that a good amount of them use managers that arnt nexus or workshop

cause ik risk of rain got plenty of mods and some of the vr games i play got em too

[peak marsh]

They really do seem stuck in a mold, like endless repeating quests worked in Skyrim because the world was interesting, the character building was interesting, and the tech at the time wasn't much past what it was doing. You can't release Skryim but in space 12 years later and go "but wait, you can build starships!". Yeah, 35 games on Steam already do this

Also, NMS is a thing

[edgy kernel]

it really wouldnt be suprising at this point if they just started re releaseing skyrim on anything with a screen

[finite saffron]

I mean even smaller studios can make big open world games these days (like us :D)

Scale is what bathesda has relied on for a long time, but at this point that just isn't that impressive anymore. Their quantity over quality approach seems to be falling apart, so I hope they can figure something out.

[edgy kernel]

cant wait for skyrim on the nokia

honestly might just be better for them to train in a new engine unless they can show that CE2 works with ES6 but im not expecting anything other than skyrim in a desert

[peak marsh]

This is a games industry marketing issue right now. Hours and scale just don't matter as much these days, they're too common. Now we're at the point where it's like "OK, you have a game that can potentially last 120 hours and a game world the size of Brazil. What else?"

[finite saffron]

I mean in terms of sales alone, it still works tbh. Starfield was massively successful

So was like D4 for example, despite the arpg community actually being fairly dissapointed in it

[edgy kernel]

cause the companies saw that scale made big money back then and its just continued but the best is just a decent sized map with content

[peak marsh]

Yeah, unfortunately you're right. Even Diablo immortal for how massively it's been panned and looked down on made more than the GDP of most countries

[finite saffron]

immortal was successful because of that one guy who wouldn't stop hitting the slot machine lever and spent like 250k or whatever lol

But yeah as much as I'll complain about these practices from bigger studios, if regulators won't punish them and gamers won't stop preordering from them, I can't exactly blame them.

[peak marsh]

Gods that irritated me. Every time I saw a YT video like that pop up I was screaming "STOP REWARDING THEM" in the back of my head 😂

Yeah, it's legitimately why I gravitate more towards the indie space save a couple large developers. I'm sick of the industry and I've always been of a mind that every dollar is a vote. Every dollar you put down says "I like this, I approve of it, and I want more"

More dollars? More votes. Same statement

[finite saffron]

There's a lot of absolutely fantastic indies out there honestly, I think a lot of people just straight up don't know better. If they don't see a game in marketing they don't know it exists, so they assume that all these major studio games that are full of issues are the best they can get and tolerate all their problems.

I also play mostly indies at this point, I tend to get a lot more enjoyment, as well as respect for my time/wallet, than the occasional AAA game I buy.

Last AAA game I bought was EA sports WRC, and honestly it's pretty good, but I only bought it once its review embargo was completely lifted and I knew exactly what I'd be getting.

[peak marsh]

This is very true, and I understand I'm a lot more plugged into industry news than a lot of people. Maybe not online but in my own experience when I talk about bad industry practices or new indies to say coworkers, that are pretty well broadcasted in my news channels and in my circles, they legitimately have no idea

The only AAA I really support with my money these days is Capcom, and only because the quality is there and nothing extremely horrible has come out about them yet. For the rest between dev abuse, deplorable working conditions, and hedonistic monetization I'm just out, I'll give my money to a company that deserves it more

And most likely, get a better experience for it

[finite saffron]

Yeah I can't really blame consumers tbh, regulators just are completely ignoring the industry. I don't think anybody wants more game industry regulation than game devs lol. Especially with monetization.

Kinda a survival of the fittest sort of thing, if everyone around you is abusing their consumers in this way, you'll be at a massive disadvantage if you don't join them. Especially as studios get bigger and bigger. The only big studios that are exceptions to this rule (FromSoftware, Larian, etc). Are studios that have such massive cult followings and funding that success is, essentially, guaranteed. So long as the product they release isn't garbage. Most studios do not have that luxury though.

[peak marsh]

Well that's not entirely true, I also spend money on Nintendo products but they seem to do really well by all standards I've mentioned

[peak marsh]

Well it's not just consumers, they're abusing everyone. Customers, developers, people who just work at the company like HR and clerical staff, subcontractors, it's across the board. It's such a dehumanizing environment that it's kind of impressive in an exetential sense really

[finite saffron]

Why do you think I always work for EU studios despite living in the states

There's actual workplace regulation there and they treat me like a human being

[peak marsh]

I hope there's more of an exodus like that. I heard a recent story about that game Rise of Kong or whatever, that lolmeme that came out earlier this year. They subcontracted the whole thing to a group in Argentina, paid pennies on the dollar, and only gave them like 6 weeks that they had to mercilessly crunch through

Like, they literally came out with a statement defending themselves because they're like "bro, this isn't our fault"

[finite saffron]

An exodus honestly isn't that realistic, both because the size of the industry in EU is a lot smaller, but also because the pay on average is a lot lower. Cost of living in the US is absurdly high. I have a frugal lifestyle and can make it work, but I could probably be getting 30+% more pay if I "settled" for an american studio.

Not worth it to me though, my mental health is far more valuable.

[whole nacelle]

https://store.steampowered.com/app/2719590/Light_No_Fire/

Steam

Light No Fire

Light No Fire is a game about adventure, building, survival and exploration together. Set on a fantasy planet the size of Earth, it brings the depth of a role playing game to the freedom of a survival sandbox.A Multiplayer EarthCarve a life together. Meet players from across the globe, build a life, explore and survive together. Construct persis...

Release Date

To be announced

▶ Play video

[peak marsh]

That's the thing and what's most frustrating. Like, John Carmack crunched back in the day because he was doing his passion, his hobby, and his whole reason to be. He loved coding and game development and it's all he wanted to do. I find it really unfortunate that the industry has taken that example to mean that this is just what developers do and we should expect them all to be on a constant IV drip of caffeine and only stop for 45 minutes a day to use the toilet

Then you get these rockstar developers who actually make it and find success, and everyone goes "Oh, well all developers are millionaires so paying more should be fine" and you end up in this viscious cycle where you have to sacrifice your entire life to work just to make enough to afford to keep working

As someone who lives in California I've seen the unfortunate effects of silicon valley pretty closely and now they're threatening to take over the whole state

Rents and cost of living are only skyrocketing more and more because of the silicon valley/hollywood money moving further east to get away from it

But I digress, the long and the short being that's why I'm very selective about where my money goes these days and I don't support most AAA studios (Capcom and Nintendo aside) because of their practices, no matter how cool the game might look

I'm not expecting to start a movement and I don't fault anyone who does, it's just my personal stance

[quaint cosmos]

After the comeback with No Man's Sky, I may give Light No Fire a chance after seeing reviews, but I still refuse to pre-order any Hello Games products.

[misty arch]

https://youtu.be/FYHEnZ41paw?si=7E4MN3BNma4G3xXx

[misty arch]

https://playnightingale.com/news/multiplayer-overview

[lavish merlin]

Considering it's probably years away, I'm relatively excited for it. I like games where you explore and build, and a dedicated multiplayer server taking place on a single planet to explore and build in sounds right up my alley. A good time sink when you have a few hours to do some building on a large project.
That and they're hopefully done with their growing pains after developing NMS for so many years.

[pearl mauve]

🙂 I watched the Force stream of the Day Before and a couple of other streams. I gotta say - the mottos on the screens when loading different chunks of the game were just wonderful. I mean "The world is full of death and destruction. Wise people know this is just the way the world is." That one just cracked me up. 🤣

Mind you, I felt sorry for any volunteer people who worked hard to develop something for the game.

[quaint cosmos]

I like offline progress and online multiplayer where you could jump in to help or join friends without being too far behind. I wish more games have offline worlds, because when I see a game that requires online services, I already know that game has at most 10 years, unless it's popular, like Rust or something else.

[signal heron]

https://store.epicgames.com/en-US/p/fortnite--lego

started playing this the survival and building game and its lego lol... building snap could be better but for free on epic games worth a shot

[quaint cosmos]

I was just watching Asmongold play The Day Before and i fell asleep. That game is so empty. Could Game of the Year awards be revoked? I would hope so.

[amber lagoon]

more like scam of the year

[signal heron]

lol... same... its crazy how well they set up the scam... its crazy and also crazy how many bought it day 1

[quaint cosmos]

Since No Man's Sky, I stopped doing pre-order on indie games, unless a demo or game sequel would get me hooked. The only games I've preordered since NMS was Hogwarts Legacy and Remnant 2, and both games I enjoyed and gotten all achievements as proof of that. Thanks to Enshrouded's demo, I can trust the devs and will definitely look forward to leveling up and getting many skills from the skill tree.

[signal heron]

Yeah I have never pre ordered a game.. I would enshroud though!

The new game from No man’s sky devs I think looks like it could be really good

[quaint cosmos]

I'm waiting for gameplay videos. I don't care if Hello Games fixed their mistake, but I rather wait. They don't get a second chance from me.

[misty arch]

the video for Light No Fire is all taken from in game.

[peak marsh]

I think a lot of those sales were people who had been following the circus that the development cycle was and only got it because lolmemes

[hallow oracle]

Looks interesting

Hope it doesn't need 10 years of development post launch to be worth playing.

[hallow oracle]

No! no! no Bad dog!

[whole nacelle]

Indeed

[hallow oracle]

Just watching the lead of Hello games announce Lite no fires on the game awards and he is already over-reaching. he said everyone can play in the same world together (multiplayer) and the game is only Single player/co-op

Hello are independent? I thought they were bought out by Sony?

[whole nacelle]

nah i just saw it on steam find it intressent

x3

[hallow oracle]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EhLOQs_-BBo

[peak marsh]

What kills me is with the reputation they've painstakingly built for the last decade they could have just come out and said "yeah, we're working on this new thing, more details to come" and people would have been hyped just fine. But that's not how they roll at Hello games

So naturally everyone's already just bracing for a "here we go again" situation

[hallow oracle]

what would you say if you wanted updates to No Mans Sky and they said sorry we have half our team working on a new game?

I said No Mans sky was 10 years old but it's actually 7 or 8. They have been working on Light no fire for 5 years.

Light No Fire:

No Man's Sky:

Knew that was Alt-J in the video https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dCCXq9QB-dQ

[tepid wadi]

Okay but "Everyone play in the world together" means online co-op, I'm not sure what the problem there is.

[craggy wing]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ae3vaa1cOhU

[hallow oracle]

@tepid wadi think we can wait to see what it will really be like. I'm hooked already

[tepid wadi]

Oh yeah, I'm super stoked too. But also no release date, so probably 2-3 years out

[hallow oracle]

https://youtube.com/clip/UgkxniAJwdWFMorXTB3aoP0Zvc-kaYXOgd4u?si=Y4_h8ZScjuQwW9oR

2024 onwards, It's possible for next year

that's not me btw.

that introduction is going to be their meme again

He even promised he would be working on it for 10 years

[tepid wadi]

I haven't seen QUITE the level of promises compared to NMS announcement, but I don't think we'll see it until at least Q4 next year at the very earliest

I'm not too upset about that though, I'd rather them realize the sort of stuff that they can do. Like... fantasy NMS in an awesome idea. Next year is already looking like a lot of good releases.

[whole nacelle]

kinda remind from ark

little abit

[tepid wadi]

Yeah, sort of. Maybe more actually MMO-y though. If it's truly a single planet with people all over it and is more MMO than NMS, that would be super cool

[timber prism]

Yeah! Excited to play it

it hits a lot of boxes for me

[timber prism]

https://youtu.be/QH-H4BiegCo?si=wBnsaSlSVbWtsXKH

for the mecha fans

[peak marsh]

What I'm hearing is persistent world but not necessarily MMO, more like something like Genshin where you see a handful of players phasing in and out around you, but obviously way too soon to know

[tepid wadi]

I feel like thats kind of how all MMOs are going to be going forward. WoW popularized the "phasing" idea to make it so things arent overcrowded. Making it feel like a seamless single-server solution is super valuable.

I hope the visible population can be higher than games like Destiny and Genshin though.

[honest valley]

Genshin isnt much of an mmo when only like 4 players can be seen together and they have to join your or their world

Destiny you can atleast find other online players by just walking around the maps

[timber prism]

I didnt even know people consider Genshin a MMO at all XD

[quaint cosmos]

Genshin is fun, but the days of the week for particular drops was a pain to wait through.

[reef bobcat]

Is the single planet mmo going to be gatcha oo?

[misty arch]

If they follow the same as they have done with No Man's Sky, then no.

[untold lynx]

oh man I played Elden Ring again last night

coop mod still absolutely goated

but I'd lost the habit so much that I'm happy I dropped into my friend's level 30 game with a level 65 character

also gave The Finals a try. Very fast FPS, I got my butt handed to me a fair few times. I'll have to try it some more to see if I like it.

[hollow barn]

Well a lvl 65 character with only vigor leveled will be about as strong as the lvl 30 one

[untold lynx]

feeling called out here

my lil guy is a brawler with mainly... whatever stat strength is

and endurance/stamina as secondary stats

barely edging out medium load to avoid fat rolls

[hollow barn]

As long as you pass vigor checks it's fine

[neon sleet]

So I got Street Fighter 6
And I don't have mains.

Like, in 99% of games I play I don't have mains.

...

But my main is Rashid.
Ra shi DOOOOOOOOOOOO

https://tenor.com/view/rashid-rashido-happy-face-happy-sf6-gif-9048909866951651612

[timber prism]

Will give Finals a try after some balance changes. Heavies are broken

[untold lynx]

I was sorely disappointed after trying to play light with the carbine and not achieving much

[finite saffron]

The finals beta was pretty interesting, though in some ways it really didn't feel like it knew what it wanted to be. It seemed to have a bit of an identity crisis with a lot of its features, like having movement that was strangely slow paced and grounded, but also having melee weapon primaries (??), or a lot of the gadgets feeling redundant or not fitting really with the theme of the game overall.

I had fun messing around in it, but something felt off about it to me, was hard to put my finger on what exactly

For example the destruction was very cool, but the player movement was so restrictive that it actually ended up feeling very gimmicky and annoying a lot of the time. For example if somebody blew up a staircase to a tall building, it was physically impossible to get to them without a special mobility gadget. I was surprised they didn't go with a movement more akin to like, titanfall or something

[untold lynx]

I think the movement being restrictive feels like it's probably meant to lower the difficulty threshold

by like, capping how better players can move around the map

but I don't think it ends up working too well

[finite saffron]

Yeah it's hard for me to pin it down but the game felt like it didn't have a solid sense of direction. Like it had a lot of designers conflicting with each other on what they wanted it to be.

A lot of the designs almost felt like a designer saying "wouldn't this be cool?" without actually thinking about the greater implications of it lol

It was still a lot of fun though, and I haven't checked it out in several months so maybe it's a lot better

[untold lynx]

I think it would be a great game mode addition to Apex Legends haha

[jade blade]

Keep the Finals faaaaaar away from EA. In fact, that should go for all games.

[untold lynx]

some of us have worked for EA and have opinions about this statement

[finite saffron]

I mean EA isn't the best, but also the finals is owned by Nexon who isn't exactly known for being the most consumer friendly company

And yeah honestly I'm not sure if EAs rep is deserved haha, they don't really do anything particularly out of the ordinary in the industry when you compare them to acti-blizz, ubisoft, and many other big publishers

[jade blade]

Not attacking the people specifically that worked there. I just don't like the company as a whole.

[neon sleet]

Them:
Do you just not attack people because you're that nice?
Me:
No. I don't attack cuz I fear their facedown might be mirror force.

[untold lynx]

I think they had a rather deservedly bad rep, and a lot of other publishers and big devs have since worked overtime (one could say crunched, even. Topical humor! How quaint) to catch up

[whole nacelle]

https://store.steampowered.com/app/1651560/Fabledom/

Steam

Fabledom

Welcome, your Highness! A vast land awaits your settlers and is ready to be colonized.  Fabledom offers an accessible and intuitive way of playing City builders, no excel sheets nor optimization is required to build yourself a kingdom. Set in a strange world where Fairytales became reality, you will witness the growth of your village; follow yo...

Price

$11.19

Recommendations

2328

▶ Play video

[timber prism]

https://youtu.be/dsHVKLp-LEw?si=8_6cG3aDCmU5ucBu

Ready or Not 1.0 in a couple days!

[tepid wadi]

Yeah, I did co-op randomizer with a couple friends and it was a ton of fun

[misty arch]

and The Day Before is now officially done
https://twitter.com/FntasticHQ/status/1734265789237338453

[finite saffron]

That actually seems... really suspicious

I guess I'm not sure what's going on internally, but it seemed like it got a lot of sales, I find it strange that they somehow "ran out of funds" so quickly

[misty arch]

seems more like they just "ran" and took all the money from the sales they already got.

[tepid wadi]

They have a history of doing that with their games, unfortunately

[peak marsh]

All the blood sweat and tears they poured into plugging store bought unity assets into their map and making a trailer that vastly misrepresented what the game actually was

Literal hours of labor u guyz, feel bad for them

[finite saffron]

(allegedly)
https://twitter.com/simoncarless/status/1734282332671205736?t=1S1B8OilYXh78_iN0m5Tig

Hopefully Steam issues special refund rules for this game like they did for the original launch of NMS, this is pretty bad lol

[peak marsh]

I'm surprised they sold even that many, it seemed like a pretty obvious pump n dump to me

[peak marsh]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4WTKclIPaok

[misty arch]

they made their mark in gaming history and I see this being used in future college gaming development, business, ethics, and law classes

[tepid wadi]

Thing is, I don't think it would've been review bombed if they had just been like "Yeah, we pivoted to an extraction shooter plan." before release. The biggest problem is that they misrepresented the game and it's not at all a survival MMO.

[peak marsh]

I mean, that was the big issue but there were many others. It was a buggy mess that wasn't nearly as polished as the early trailers made it seem, they claim 5 years of work but all their assets are store bought, it had significantly less features than they claimed, it goes on

The bait and switch is what people were primarily upset about but you could throw a dart and pick a valid reason

[wary estuary]

Yea they did didnt even refund the game and got my cash back now!! 🙂

[peak marsh]

I'm glad to hear that. I've seen a lot of people getting on Steam, saying they shouldn't have allowed the game to launch and the platform should do a better job of ensuring quality and personally, I think it's the opposite. Steam shouldn't be deciding what is and isn't allowed to launch and let the market decide what succeeds and what doesn't

In this case it sounds like Steam is doing the responsible thing that they should be doing: allowed the market to speak, and when they finally determined that something shady was going on, halted all sales and made sure people got their money back

[neon sleet]

Didn't that game just release?
And it's already dead?
Hmm.
Kudos.
Speed running the system.

[untold lynx]

I think things were a little better back when Steam actually gatekept what was released on their platform

it's never been a Nintendo Seal of Quality type thing, but it helped spare us from some things

[peak marsh]

I mean to a degree sure, and I miss curators, but in a case like this I think steam is doing exactly what it should do

[untold lynx]

I guess. There are many more developers nowadays so attempting to curate this would be ultimately a fruitless endeavor

[pearl mauve]

🙂 Just came across this - I have been playing this off and on while I wait patiently for various releases, lol. It's a nice game to pass the time. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SMVDDqmve-Q&t=565s

[untold lynx]

I've seen it pop up here and there, it looks really neat

[pearl mauve]

🙂 it's kinda cool. Most of the elements are there and it's a nice game to pass the time with. They've just release a big optimisation patch. 🙂 Kind of sounds familiar, lol. But it's nice to see an indie game going from solo to kickstarter to early release which was genuine as a contrast to other news this week, you know. 🙂

They are just about to go into full release next year.

Sorry I should have said its a survival game lol.

[untold lynx]

do share screenshots if you've got em!

[pearl mauve]

🙂 ok I will look some up

[peak marsh]

I have Len's island, it's a good time

I got it like, a year or two ago I think? They've put a lot of work into it, I'll second the recommendation

It's like a blend of chill survival/builder and dungeon crawler

[misty arch]

it is official
https://www.ign.com/articles/e3-is-dead-for-good

[peak marsh]

https://www.gamesradar.com/the-day-before-studio-seemingly-attempts-to-scrub-itself-from-steam-by-changing-back-to-its-2017-name-amid-review-bombing-campaign-of-its-entire-catalog/

Eh, E3 has been figuratively dead for years with most major studios just doing directs

It's kind of a bummer to see but with the Internet being what it is now E3 didn't really serve a purpose any more

[finite saffron]

Yeah they didn't really evolve with the times unfortunately

[kindred bane]

#news message

[peak marsh]

Yep, 6 weeks-ish

[peak marsh]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=83YEozXj_7Y

I know I'm beating a dead horse, probably the last thing I'll post about it. It's a pretty good overview though

[misty arch]

This is just a "what if" but even so, it would be amazing if they did.
https://www.pcgamer.com/ive-never-wanted-anything-more-than-for-larian-to-make-a-star-wars-rpg-in-the-vein-of-baldurs-gate-3/

[peak marsh]

Man if they could somehow do a KotOR remake/sequel that would be pretty amazing

They've already shown what they can do with BioWare properties

[tepid wadi]

I dunno if they'd go for something other than a CRPG though, isn't KOTOR a 3rd person perspective?

[peak marsh]

Doesn't mean they couldn't take it in that direction. I think if they did what they do with storytelling and mechnics not too many people would complain

But yeah, strictly speaking it's pretty outside of their wheelhouse

[tepid wadi]

Yeah, it's not really their jam, but they might try something new.

[misty arch]

you can play Baldurs Gate close to a 3rd person perspective. If you zoom the camera all the way in, it focuses on the person you are currently controlling.

[peak marsh]

Plus I mean, sure you can say it's sci-fi and they don't really do that, but Star Wars is just fantasy in space. Swords, magic, alignment archtypes. Swap light sabers for longswords and blasters for crossbows and you're there. The force is basically magic and it even has different, opposing "schools"

It's honestly not so far-fetched when you think about it

Only shame is I really don't see them operating under all that corporate oversight, I think that's the thing beyond anything else that makes it unlikely

[misty arch]

well most of that "corporate" oversight has been moved out of the way, thankfully.

[oblique zephyr]

If you think Disney is easier to deal with than Lucasarts, you've got another thing coming

I worked on SWTOR for BioWare both before and after Disney purchased the ip

It did NOT get easier after!

[misty arch]

no, more talking about kathleen kennedy not having as much say with anything star wars now that Dave Filoni has been premoted.

[oblique zephyr]

I will wait for that pudding, see if there's any proof in it

We got some great and really not so great Star Wars content in the last few years

But for every Andor and Mandalorian, there's a few more that aren't really very good

[honest valley]

but you cant eat your pudding if you havent eaten your meat

[oblique zephyr]

What if it's blood pudding

[misty arch]

https://youtu.be/5Ze9hpnDwHI?si=Rgoyqo4rLdTx9cCJ

[peak marsh]

https://www.pcgamesn.com/v-rising/buffy

[misty arch]

spiritual successor to Suikoden is almost here
https://youtu.be/_Y2oN_gqmw4?si=Ov7zL5GPamM_pqgJ

[tepid wadi]

I'm looking forward to their 1.0 drop for another playthrough. Probably the best vampire game I've played

[peak marsh]

Same here. I love the combat and survival mechanics

[misty arch]

out today
https://youtu.be/pYkLylSAyRs?si=9r-hA32gAnJuKvSQ

[rapid yoke]

I'm both excited and a bit nervous, loved suikoden, but the pre-release side project is pretty bad, even for just a little world builder/graphical showcase. hoping the main game has far superior writing, and I know the gameplay will be far different

[peak marsh]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5Ze9hpnDwHI

Sponsored, so ready your salt shakers, but the idea sounds cool

[misty arch]

even when sponsered, Force is good at saying his opinion on a game.

[quaint cosmos]

I thought Once Human was a stale Remnant clone at first, but seeing the depth of crafting and upgrades, it does has some interesting goals and incentives for exploration.

[tepid wadi]

Closest thing I can say is that it looks like what The Day Before was advertising itself to be 😝

But it's like... actually doing the thing.

[peak marsh]

Yeah, imo Force does a pretty good job of not shilling for games he wouldn't otherwise find interesting. More throwing that out because due to it being sponsored he's naturally going to gloss over the negatives and gush a bit at the positives

[reef bobcat]

Too soon 😄

[quaint cosmos]

Too late

[peak marsh]

Is too late too soon, or is too soon too late? 🤔

[peak marsh]

Finally grabbing it. Been dragging my heels but it's on sale for $20

[peak marsh]

I loved Thymesia so it's been on my radar, but I really like the idea of a Soulslike that that isn't trying to be "darker" than Dark Souls and also isn't trying to be a lolmeme

Like, I really want the genre to expand beyond "it either has to be Batman serious or it has to be the Joker". There are a lot of good storytelling points in between those extremes

[tepid wadi]

I feel like Lords of the Fallen tried to be edgier than Dark Souls and it made the game feel ironically soulless

You don't need to be in a dark decaying world to be a good action game

[peak marsh]

I mean, that's what it boils down to. If anything, Dark Souls to me initally felt like a "Monster Hunter-like" in the sense that it had very deliberate combat that punsished mistakes heavily, but always made it feel like it was your fault. That was the charm

All it did was expand that into a (confusing) narrative structure

[tepid wadi]

Yep, and you can have that just as easily in any other setting using melee weapons

Hell, even Remnant figured it out with guns

[peak marsh]

I mean, Monster Hunter is the epitome of Japanese light-hearted comedy but it knew how to instill a sense of tension and dread without hanging corpses from the ceiling. It did it by making the player feel it, not by telling the player they should feel it

[tepid wadi]

Yeah

Related, hype o'clock for Monster Hunter Wilds

[peak marsh]

I mean, if you've ever been on a Rathalos run and heard Betelgeuse roar in the distance, it's that feeling

[peak marsh]

True. That.

Such hype xD

[tepid wadi]

B52 BagleGoose is definitely the most terrifying of monsters in the early game

As a long time MH fan, it was so wonderful to see MHW be Capcom's best selling game ever like 2 months after release. I'm hoping the MHW comes out simultaneously on PC

[peak marsh]

Even on late runs. He's such an obnoxious monster if you aren't hunting him specifically

[tepid wadi]

I mean, even when you are hunting him specifically he's a huge pain

[peak marsh]

When you're trying to take down Kushala Daora and BG shows up it just ruins your mood man

[tepid wadi]

haha

[peak marsh]

You're all "Alright, I ate the right food, I have the right charms, my armor is good, lets- BWARRRRRR .....dammit"

[peak marsh]

I'll take Pickle Jho over that

SS of a modder in MHW turning Deviljho into an actual pickle because of course they did

https://www.nexusmods.com/monsterhunterworld/mods/1051

[misty arch]

https://youtu.be/dQ6C0dEL54w?si=pnM7Stspy8_PjGx8

[peak marsh]

This game has been in alpha so long that the alpha is legally required to do 2 years of military service

Next trailer: "Alpha gets summoned for jury duty"

[quaint cosmos]

so I tried out Rust for 30 min. I threw the rock I started with by accident and couldn't find any stone to pick up, so I gave up after wandering around aimlessly and refunded the game. Enshrouded is a million times better already.

[peak marsh]

What kills me is the devs behind Rust and 7D2D trying to dunk on The Day Before. 1) Both of your games have issues that haven't been addressed in a decade, but also, 2) Early access failures like that set the entire genre back because it harms consumer trust

Like, neither of you have the right or the reason to celebrate that

I wouldn't mind if like, the devs behind My Time at Portia said something. But freaking Rust? Clean your own house before you call someone else's house dirty

[quaint cosmos]

i'll celebrate this when it gets approved

I know all games have hiccups at early access/alpha stages, but seeing how smooth Enshrouded was at 36fps, was amazing, actually. I could fight, travel, and build comfortably without needing to worry about the future of the game.

I see 7D2D as ok, but it seems like a game that's meant to be with friends.

[peak marsh]

Both are games that have coasted for far too long because they've been the only viable options in their particular niche

If you want that zombie survival multiplayer experience, you can basically choose one or the other

[quaint cosmos]

i chose Infestation: NewZ

[reef bobcat]

valheim was my first positive experiance with ea

[quaint cosmos]

Astroneer and Valheim were both the only positive experience with EA. I'm sure Enshrouded would be, too.

[reef bobcat]

valheim to me felt like a done game when it was in "early access".

i suppose the way they made the game with each new biome adding to the older ones made it so that most of the systems were finished. they just needed to expand on it. i have high hope that enshrouded is the same

[peak marsh]

It's the difference between having a fully thought out vision and working forward vs having a rough idea and working backwards

[reef bobcat]

well only progression based games can be like this is it not

generally i take early access to mean the game is still under heavey development and not yet beta state but we need money to make it. so please buy now rather than wait for the game to finish and come out

[hallow oracle]

https://youtu.be/pV6BW2FACPA?si=kB-DoJJrNDeyPyQ4

[hallow oracle]

Playing that

[hallow oracle]

playing that

[reef bobcat]

Seen this. Very interesting I just hope it doesn't turn out to be a buggy mess. Because that's what this company is known for lol

[hallow oracle]

Very true but they are also known for sticking with it to sort it out so 50/50

[reef bobcat]

I'll wait a year or 2 once released 😉

[hallow oracle]

don't blame you. I held off buying NMS until I could get it for next to nothing on a sale

[reef bobcat]

I'm one of thos "Make the game look beautiful all you want. If it don't run right I won't touch it" lol

Like ark for example

Looks great

But won't ever touch it lol

[peak marsh]

https://www.gamingbible.com/news/platform/steam/steam-responds-day-before-controversy-announcing-day-after-374976-20231213

😂

[tepid wadi]

If Light No Fire ends up lile NMS, it wint be super buggy or have bad performance, it will just be a bit hollow on release.

[quaint cosmos]

doesn't matter to me, I'm never preordering another HelloGames product again.

[peak marsh]

The only games I've pre ordered in the last 10 years were Zelda: TotK and Monster Hunter Rise. Nothing else has warrented my trust

Primarily because I don't think either has had a 'bad' release. There were some entries I liked more than others, but I've never played an objectively bad game in either franchise

[peak marsh]

My bad, I also pre ordered Metroid Dread. That's it though

[quaint cosmos]

I'm glad, the only games I've preordered in the past 10 years were No Man's Sky, Hogwarts Legacy, and Remnant 2. The last 2 games were great, but I lost all trust with Hello Games, since. I'm waiting for reviews and gameplay footage 1 week after release, before deciding if its worth a try/price.

[peak marsh]

Can't say I blame you, that experience would be enough to put me off pre-ordering from a company, even if they did make it right later

[rapid yoke]

Unless I know I will play the game, I stopped pre-ordering too. Doesn't seem worth it when I can wait for a few reviews and playthroughs

[tepid wadi]

Also what's the point of preordering in the digital age, it's not like they're going to run out of copies or something

[rapid yoke]

also true

the bonuses are usually lackluster if there are any

[peak marsh]

In the digital age, the main purpose of preordering is to demonstrate hype for a product IMO. Companies still use preorders as a metric in figuring the value of a franchise, along with sales and reviews

A preorder is demonstrating to the company that you have strong interest in the product

[quaint cosmos]

if the demo was great, or available on steam 24/7, then I'd preorder Enshrouded, too. I want to see the price first, though.

[rapid yoke]

yeah, the consumers care less and less about corporate metrics, wishlisting accomplishes the same purpose without the exchange of funds at the consumer's risk. Let's promote the more consumer friendly option.

[peak marsh]

It's not why I preordered, it's just what the point is. In those cases, I preordered because I had faith in those particular products and I knew I was going to buy it anyhow

It just meant that when they came out, all I had to do was pick up, download, and play

[rapid yoke]

can't you do the same thing day 1 regardless? buy/download/play? unless you collect phyiscal media

[peak marsh]

I can, sure. In most cases I do. It's just in those very limited cases I knew I was going to buy them. That's a significant distinction because I can honestly say I don't "know" if I'm going to buy most games, I just have a strong feeling that I will

But I still take a wait and see approach

[timber prism]

I always preorder collectors for games from studios i like

those always have good preorder stuff in it

[peak marsh]

In the case of Zelda, Monster Hunter, and Metroid (with the exception of Other M) they've demonstrated for multiple decades that they can consistently put out a quality polished product on day one. Most devs and products can't say that

Yeah, that's the bummer of things going digital. No more 'feelies'

[timber prism]

FF7 Rebirth statue of Sephiroth is sick

same with the statue of Jin for Tekkan 8

Tekken*

[peak marsh]

Monster Hunter has had a few sweet statues over the years, but they were JP only afaik -.-

And an arm and a leg otherwise

[rapid yoke]

physical stuff is nice if you are the collector type

I think they should sell it a la carte though

[timber prism]

Yeah, im hoping Wilds has a fun statue or something

capcom collector stuff is alright.. I have the SF6 Collectors from this year

[peak marsh]

The Nergigante statue for the PS4 release of MHW was pretty sweet

[timber prism]

Yeah! That is pretty awesome!!!

[brazen marten]

@everyone - episode 4 will come out at 10pm Central (about 40 mins from now) - may not be in 4k yet, but I wanna give you what you're promised!! Episode 5 will follow at 10am Central tomorrow (12/17/23). Binge it! https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PL_6M7vZOr6ODzu3RI0hujWnNnBAUn7A-R

[quaint cosmos]

Great game! Also, really relaxing music!

[peak marsh]

https://youtu.be/9kpS9F-cBhE?t=340

Stuff like this is why AAA is gross (not the Unity story, the one at the timestamp I posted about Activision)

[wooden hatch]

Now i can wait for Enshrouded release 😄

[hallow oracle]

I'm constantly playing New builds, I haven't completed the third act yet! 😦

[reef bobcat]

bullcrap aquisitions cause of sudden invester mooney away from your core without much thought always leads to the unity situation later on.

[untold lynx]

let's not talk about Embracer

[short sail]

@untold lynx About that "promised":
https://valheim.com/news/development-blog-well-equipped/
Also
https://www.valheimgame.com/news/development-blog-fearsome-foes

[untold lynx]

you didn't say it was about Valheim

I was like

"Vanolia is at it again"

[short sail]

Context, Bro. This came a maximum of two messages later regarding my original one.

[untold lynx]

also this doesn't look like a mechanic for your fortress or bases getting besieged, but just something where there are fortresses in the world and you sort of storm your way in?

[short sail]

Exactly. And you besiege them.

[untold lynx]

if you just waltz your way up the wall and storm them I'm not sure I'd call that a siege

since you know, "siege" means "seat", as in "you sit on your ass for a while while the defenders slowly starve and become amenable to your terms"

[short sail]

Seems more like a Trebuchet packet, what we had as "siege engine" in the second link

[untold lynx]

I'm not sure, it looks like it's holding a chest or something. Hard to tell

[short sail]

To me it looks more like a counterweight to the projectile's hurling

[untold lynx]

you look like a counterweight

[short sail]

And now you start insulting.

[untold lynx]

it's figurative

a counterweight to the truth, if you will

always pushing it slightly askance

[short sail]

I mean... That's how AoE II did it. It seems some inspiration comes from there.

[untold lynx]

legitimately cannot tell if this a model or a full scale thing

wait those are leaves I'm silly

[short sail]

I think you need to have your spatial vision tested.

[merry moat]

It could be full scale we dont know how tall CUB is

[short sail]

Riiight. He's a hedgehog. Sometimes I forget.

[untold lynx]

both me and actual hedgehogs love escargots

🐌 delightful

[rapid yoke]

This the new grounded update?

[neon sleet]

So, I started playing Grim Dawn
And good gosh, it is some kind of fun.
There's *so gaddam many options to pick from and I just happened to pick a combination that feels rather potent.
I lovingly refer to it as:
Necromancer with a gun.
And it does exactly what you think it does.
Aoe damage? ✅️
Single target dps? ✅️
Minions? ✅️
CC? ✅️
Healing? ✅️
And on top of it all...
I get to shoot things, then make them help me kill their friends.
What better joy in life is there?

I'll tell you:
Playing street fighter 6 as Rashid.

Using his SF5 theme song

[tepid wadi]

Grim Dawn is definitely good, though the graphics are starting to feel a bit old for me

[neon sleet]

Graphics? What graphics?
All I see are blood and explosions

And scrap

[finite saffron]

I think a much bigger joy is spending 20+ hours staring at path of building and gaming forums trying to craft the perfect build in path of exile, only to play that build for dozens of hours and discover that it's completely garbage and unusable in maps, and then you look on the forums to see if anyone else has tried it, only to find that someone else made the same exact build as you but better in literally every single way and you could have just followed their extensive and highly detailed build guide.

And then you rage quit only to come back in a few months for the new league and do it all again

[neon sleet]

Rofl me copters

[tepid wadi]

Someone's been playing since beta.

I can usually at least make builds that'll get me to red maps, which is usually enough time for me to get bored of the league/gameplay loop, then I'll try something new next league.

[finite saffron]

My biggest critique of POE is that usually by the time I get my build into maps I am bored of it and want to play a new build, but I also have no desire to grind another character up from level 0 lol

but yeah been playing since beta obviously

Not nearly as much as some people though, I'm guessing my playtime probably isn't in the 4 digits yet (but idk because I don't play on Steam)

[tepid wadi]

Yeah, I feel that. Especially since POE has a propensity towards one-button builds. Right clicking over and over while occasionally instantly dying sometimes stops being interesting after a while.

Last Epoch has been a really good midpoint between the complexity of POE and the smoothness of gameplay of something like D4

[finite saffron]

Yeah at this point I'm just waiting for poe2 since the one button meta seems to be going away... In theory lol

Knowing POE players though the most meta build in s1 will probably be a movement ability or something that somehow one shots everything

[tepid wadi]

Yeah, for me one of the challenges is I can take builds so far, then I look at more "complete" builds and they've got all sorts of weird shit I never considered. The jewels from Legion, uniques that interact in weird ways to boost damage by 5000%, stuff like that

Building using things like that requires a certain depth of game knowledge that I just don't have

[misty arch]

https://youtu.be/ZBanII8Hd-s?si=_9pSVHFS3lGXZCUG

[tepid wadi]

Looks like Sea of Thieves + Battleship? Could be fun

[quaint cosmos]

Lord of The Rings Return to Moria is half price on Epic, if anyone wants to give it a shot. It's a low to average rating of survival with underwhelming combat mechanics. Restricted to only the Epic Game stores, until the unforseeable future.

[tepid wadi]

Probably worth it if you're super bored, but its pretty low on my list until it gets some much needed love, like dedicated server support.

[rapid yoke]

really selling it there

[quaint cosmos]

I'm an honest reviewer

[untold lynx]

my friends had a good time with it! I watched them play a bit and there's a couple of really cool features in there

like the fact the dwarves start singing when mining

it's silly but I like it

[reef bobcat]

I heard the raid is a bit too much though. Base gets raided even if you are nowhere near. Is that true?

[untold lynx]

I can't say I've seen that part in action

[misty arch]

Starting Thursday
https://youtu.be/3C0l4519tkA?si=pC6EKh50dWceGL_5

[quaint cosmos]

Refund still works, at least.

[finite saffron]

They will generally give no questions asked refunds within 2 hours/14 days (exceeding either limit probably means you won't get one).

I've actually never heard of someone being within those limits and having a refund request denied

I buy indie games pretty liberally for that reason, usually without looking into them much. If I launch it and it's not what I expected within an hour or two I just refund it, no harm done to me or the developer. I think it's a solid system because it makes a lot of people more comfortable buying games they might not have otherwise if there was no refunds.

My only complaint is that for developers with really short games it can be abused against them, which is a bummer

[quaint cosmos]

I'm glad.

Someone on youtube refunded Resident Evil 2 after speedrunning it and getting all achievements within 2 hours.

[peak marsh]

TBH the refund policy is a big part of why there isn't more noise about Steam effectively having a monopoly on digital PC gaming

[finite saffron]

Also I mean, most of the negative impacts of their monopoly impact devs, not users. And there's not many of us to cry on twitter lol

[peak marsh]

That's fair too. They've been very careful to not impact users as much as possible

Devs, not so much

[quaint cosmos]

I know it would hurt steam reviews. They are usually about performance issues more than game mechanics.

[whole nacelle]

https://store.steampowered.com/app/2246340/Monster_Hunter_Wilds/

Steam

Monster Hunter Wilds

The hunt is on in Monster Hunter Wilds, the latest installment in the Monster Hunter series, now in development. Experience the pinnacle of excellence in hunting action gameplay.Planned for release in 2025.Note: Supported languages and other details to be announced at a later date.

Release Date

2025

▶ Play video

[tepid wadi]

Yesssss gimme dat simultaneous pc release

[untold lynx]

let's see them screenshots

[warm lake]

Dying Light 2 can be beautiful sometimes

[untold lynx]

is it good?

I really enjoyed the first

barely heard anything of the second though

[warm lake]

it's great

it's the 3rd playthrough i do and i didn't even see half of the game

[untold lynx]

damn

and do you have factions and all the stuff they promised?

[warm lake]

it's all because of the multiple choices which will affect the gameplay

[warm lake]

yeah

brown is the villager guys
Blue is the Military guys
Red is the bandits guys

this playthrough i chose to max out the Survivors the brown

they have like the parkour elements if you give them a part of the town

i honestly recommend this game a lot same as the first part

[untold lynx]

can you still play it co-op?

[warm lake]

yeah

up to 4 players i think

[untold lynx]

nice

it was so fun running at night, terrified of the super zombies

[warm lake]

i didn't get to try it though as i don't have anyone to play with

it's lowkey more fun running at night now

[untold lynx]

screaming of terror while crashing through a roof

[warm lake]

i almost always run at night

then regret it the second the chase starts

[untold lynx]

man this really makes me want to give it a spin

[warm lake]

especially because i chose a filter which makes the nights a lot darker

[untold lynx]

oh no

[warm lake]

i just realized i apparently had the Windowed mode on

and i love how they made the 2 maps

one of them is really made for the paraglider and such things and parkour while the 2nd small one is made for parkour only

[untold lynx]

what's all this snowflakey stuff in the middle?

[warm lake]

it's from the winter event the whole map is with snow now

and there's some new zombies and such

[warm lake]

it's on a 50% discount as of right now, so if you want to try it you should get the game now

[untold lynx]

ok

[warm lake]

and when you do the parkour non-stop a little soundtrack will start playing and it's honestly so good

[untold lynx]

if there's a little soundtrack, then obviously I'm in

[warm lake]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1Vkp4T0tAIY

wait, that's wrong

that;s the soundtrack you get while climbing the highest building

wait no it is the right one

[untold lynx]

that's what the comments are saying

[warm lake]

later on it was added as the music which plays during parkour

and what i love is when you jump far then the music will like

i can't explain it

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rnjRoNlEsuU

and when you enter a building to run through it the music will be as if you were underwater

i honestly like every part about the music

Dying light 2 has to be my top 1 and Dying Light 1 has to be my 2nd

i just love running through the city

i hate these

but i love them too

[untold lynx]

"you guys stay safe I will handle this"

[warm lake]

when there's like a arrow which splits into two it means this will affect how the game goes

i hope i did the right decision..

[charred glacier]

anyone here play icarus?

[peak marsh]

https://kotaku.com/the-day-before-game-steam-fntastic-1851114623

Upwards of $300

[finite saffron]

https://tenor.com/view/why-huh-but-why-gif-13199396

[peak marsh]

Right? Like, of all the games you could scalp

[untold lynx]

I mean

I suspect that if you could sell tickets to the Fyre festival to people who knew it was an ongoing trash fire doubled with a car crash

people's morbid curiosity would have taken over

[peak marsh]

https://gamerant.com/valheim-2024-ashlands-update-new-content-tease/

[neon sleet]

So I was playing Grim Dawn and I found the first major boss fight.
That makes 2 enemies I've found that we're capable of killing me.
He didn't. ☝️
But he tried.
He was damn close too.
But necromancer with a gun is not going to be taken out so easily.

So what he has a ranged attack that stuns me and takes off 2/3rds od my health.

I wasn't sweating.
Spamming my minions to try and take his attention off me for 2 seconds.

[spice jacinth]

https://www.ign.com/articles/bobby-kotick-leaving-activision-blizzard-on-december-29

[peak marsh]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2EJ7bZh2CCs

[neon sleet]

Ye I remember seeing that.

[timber prism]

I played for about 10 minutes but never really gave it a chance to see if its any good. AMD gave it to me for free for buying a 7800x3D

[untold lynx]

hope he stubs his toe multiple times a day for the rest of his life

[junior kernel]

https://youtu.be/jeLMj3dPSQc i cant wait for Enshrouded.. the detail in the game will be unmatched. if i can do this in valhiem the posabilitys are endless in Enshrouded !

[untold lynx]

I thought it was a church until I saw there was a head table

it's like a castle hall where watching the lord eat is a spectator sport

[untold lynx]

except for the fact that in Enshrouded you build structures along the voxel grid, yes, you can build all that

[limpid wasp]

I did with my buddies. I wasn't allowed outside unsupervised. Something something forest fires.

[charred glacier]

🤣🤣 Sounds like Icarus. Its a nice game but a bit boring without other players

[peak marsh]

https://www.ign.com/articles/sensitive-military-documents-appear-on-war-thunder-forums-again

[misty arch]

https://media.tenor.com/yfphYgy4S1oAAAAM/shang-tsung-it-has-begun.gif
steam winter sale is live

[smoky wagon]

i forgor about this ty ty

[timber prism]

EDF5 for $17 seems decent

Installed Star Citizen on the new PC and actually happy with how well it runs. Didnt fall through any ships or die to weird things this time

Game actually looks really good visually and its nice to not have so many loading screens

Took a SS as my friends and I flew off planet

[smoky wagon]

cutty black lookin' cool tbh

[neon sleet]

Oh War Thunder forums.

[peak marsh]

It cracks me up that it just keeps happening xD

Though credit to their pursuit of absolute realism

At least this time it doesn't seem like it was someone risking a court martial to win a discord argument with (probably) 16 year olds

[sullen crane]

I have to make a decision

[peak marsh]

Relink seems interesting, especially the co-op aspect. I want more JRPG co-op

Actually one of my favorite games is a mobile MMO that is only available in Japan now called Celes Arca. You could run around like a normal MMO, but when you got into a battle it was JRPG turn based like Final Fantasy, and other players could see your battle in the overworld and join if they wanted. It was really cool and unique and I'm disappointed there arent other games like it

And even if other players joined, it was still JRPG style turn based. It was really cool

It meant some waiting between turns but with a good party it made for some really awesome boss fights

[honest valley]

sounds like toontown's combat system

[peak marsh]

Yeah, but minus the DIsney/Tex Avery overtones

[honest valley]

tex avery?

[peak marsh]

Frederick Bean "Tex" Avery was an American animator, cartoonist, director, and voice actor. He was known for directing and producing animated cartoons during the golden age of American animation.

[honest valley]

[timber prism]

Yeah. Thats my friends Cutty Black. I sold my cutty blue to get a bunch of other lifetime ships haha

My three biggest are the Connie Phoenix, Carrack, and Orion.

[regal hatch]

Any good new pc survival game?
Or in elarly access

[misty arch]

you like the survival part or more into building?

[regal hatch]

Both

[neon sleet]

I've heard about this one called Enshrouded. Seems pretty neat.

[reef bobcat]

war thunder fans and world of tanks fans on who gets to leak the most to win a argument

[regal hatch]

It still elarly access

[misty arch]

have you checked out Medieval Dynasty?

[reef bobcat]

there is nightinggale also that is coming out in feb

both medival and sengoku dynasty are on sale

[smoky wagon]

not exactly a survival game, but you should try dwarf fortress

[smoky wagon]

I'm considering getting The Front, but haven't decided yet tbh

[peak marsh]

I'm personally waiting for The Back and The Sides to come out first

[timber prism]

Not new but I have been playing Necesse lately and its a lot of fun. Survival top down terraria settlement sim.

its on sale on steam atm for $5 USD

[quaint cosmos]

Fallout 3 is free on the Epic Games Store.

[peak marsh]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=umc5HNSzPbk

This is slowly becoming my favorite recurring YT series

[quaint cosmos]

That youtuber got me into Blue Fire and Death's Door. I didn't like Death's Door as much, but it was ok to experience once.

[peak marsh]

He got Thymesia and Asterigos on my radar

Thymesia was a bit rough before the recent update, but Asterigos is definitely a gem. I won't say 'hidden' because it actually got a lot of press

But just as much it's fun watching him slog through all the shovelware 'souls-likes' on steam xD

[tepid wadi]

Iron Pineapple is great

[tidal osprey]

Good to know have a new Iron Pineapple video to watch when I wake up tomorrow.

[regal hatch]

Thanks

[regal hatch]

Thanks

[hallow oracle]

Yeah but who hasn't already got it?

Should I buy Payday 3? 25% off

Never mind it's a done deal

[craggy wing]

If you are a Payday 2 veteran I would really like to know how you find Payday 3

[hallow oracle]

I'll let you know. Yep I have played The Heist and Payday 2

[normal zephyr]

Me actually, only have fallout 4

[hallow oracle]

get it it's free but don't expecting anything better than you got in Fallout 4

[quaint cosmos]

48k USD!? Screw that game!

[tepid jungle]

"Game"

[quaint cosmos]

Sounds like an investment in stupidity.

[honest valley]

scam citizen

[timber prism]

was just playing it yesterday and was having a good time haha

seems like it made some decent progress... 100 server cap now and performance wasn't too bad. Im averaging around 70 FPS

[hallow oracle]

Funny.

Image only included for the gullible.

Also $16k Is minimum wage in America?

In the UK It's £18,964

[hallow oracle]

Payday 3 is good.
People complained about matchmaking for solo. It takes a while but that is also map loading.
Feels good to get your first Solo stealth run.

[quaint cosmos]

$15,080 a year salary for minimum wage if you work 40 hours a week. $7.25 per hour. My first job at least paid $11/hr.

[hallow oracle]

My First Job paid £16k a year and my last job paid £11k.

[quaint cosmos]

everyone is suffering

[hallow oracle]

my last job was minimum wage + pay rises.

[quaint cosmos]

that's a bit better. Effort = value

[hallow oracle]

I was able to sleep through my last job and often did.

ISP Tech support in case your wondering

[peak marsh]

Just on average, it's very very regional. In CA the minimum wage is around $30k a year

In a place like Utah or Kansas it's much lower than that

[glacial gazelle]

That's the thing with the states, you have to take every statistic in the context of the State

[hallow oracle]

That's kind of what I expected. I think $16k minimum wage is pretty good. I have no idea where the UK get's £18k from but I would imagine it's a London only wage

[glacial gazelle]

The mimimum wage is across the whole UK, not limited to London at all

Although that's probably England specifically, I'd need to look into if Scotland/Wales/NI are different

[hallow oracle]

No there is a massive boost for anyone working in London. As I said my last job wich was 10 years ago was Minimum wage and the wage rises I got kept my just above minimum wage.

[glacial gazelle]

Oh damn I never knew that

Stand me corrected sorry

It makes sense considering the insane cost of living there

[hallow oracle]

LOL NP. I also didn't mention I live in Scotland

[glacial gazelle]

Same, England is an enigma to me 🤣

[hallow oracle]

I dabbled in Games testing while working my last job and it helped pay for stuff. If I had done it full time It would have doubled Minimum wage.

[glacial gazelle]

Niiiiiice, you really need something like that on mimimum wage, it's just about enough to scrape by in most places

[hallow oracle]

yeah work was never guaranteed with freelance games testing so I had to take a minimum wage job and fit the games testing around my shifts when I could unfortunately the minimum wage job stopped me from doing a lot of tests and the ones I could fit in caused me to be so tired while at work I actually fell asleep on calls to customers while resolving their Internet troubles. I still fixed their issues though

[quaint cosmos]

I can only see people working 2 full time jobs, just to live in the USA on minimum wage. There is no way minimum wage is enough. Even slightly above, you'd never have money for traveling, cosmetic pleasures, or kids.

[peak marsh]

That's how it happens here in Cali. Even with one of the country's highest wage rates, many people have to work multiple jobs just to stay afloat. Frankly you're pretty blessed if you can get by on a 40 hour work week

[quaint cosmos]

Makes me glad to be raised in Texas.

[hallow oracle]

In the UK Our current Prime minister is soo proud of reducing the amount of people in absolute poverty but ignores the fact that there are now more people in relative poverty under their council it's the highest it's been for generations. Soo many families on the brink of dropping into absolute poverty.

Sobering thoughts at Christmas

[quaint cosmos]

lol

[hallow oracle]

I'm off to poke at some Sausage Rolls for dinner!

[quaint cosmos]

Have fun!

[neon sleet]

Poke poke

[mortal crypt]

checking out Craftopia since it was on sale and actually pretty enjoyable but I was wondering if anybodys played The Front and what their opinion was on it

[quaint cosmos]

I've played Craftopia, but stopped when it lagged my world, because of automation.

[neon sleet]

Been playing Grim Dawn and Street Fighter VI.
Might not have much time for gaming rn. But oh boy are they fun.

[misty arch]

the front is good if you have friends. interesting mix of survival/pvp/pve. Plus the way they do the pve surges is a nice tower defense mode that is fun.

[quaint cosmos]

So, I picked up Elden Ring again and just made it to Farum Azula, but I had to fight a dragon that popped up. Killed me so many times, so I added poison weapon, fire and lightning resistance incantations and finally killed the thing with the poison. I hate this game, but I like overcoming its challenges.

[peak marsh]

I feel you. I had to take a break from Asterigos earlier because I fought my way through two bosses, got to the final boss, got stuck on some scenery and couldn't dodge out when he was below 1/3HP, and it put me back to fight all 3 again. I'll be going back in but I both love and hate this genre sometimes

[peak marsh]

-sigh- This list hasn't changed in 84 years

Not that I take MMOByte remotely seriously, but in this case he's not wrong

[quaint cosmos]

I do not believe a new MMO would enter that list. Everything new is a copy n paste with less features.

[misty arch]

The Outer Worlds is the free Christmas day game in the Epic Store.

[peak marsh]

That seems worth finally reinstalling EGS

[misty arch]

it is also the spacers addition which comes with all of the DLC

[peak marsh]

Man, I forgot I still have Control, Frost Punk, and Shadow of the Tomb Raider to play through on there 😂

[reef bobcat]

Every steam sale my list of to play keeps increasing . . . Sigh

[trim yoke]

Yeah, I buy a game then go back to playing rimworld, it's an addiction

[tepid wadi]

I really want to play Rogue Trader, but I just keep playing Ark

[timber prism]

EGS has some really fantastic games they give out

just going from A-D... the list of free games have been pretty good

I bought Alan Wake 2 haha

i wish they gave that out for free XD

[peak marsh]

Man, I missed the Batman games. Then again did they ever fix Arkham City on PC?

[timber prism]

I can't remember what was wrong with it tbh haha

[peak marsh]

All kinds of stuff. Bugs, bad optimization/framerate issues, etc

[timber prism]

i remember one getting in a lot of trouble that htey had to remove it for a time?

if im remembering it right

its been forever haha

[peak marsh]

Yeah, that was City. It was a whole uproar

People saying they made the PC version intentionally shoddy vs console, etc

[timber prism]

wait was it City or Knight?

cuz im googling atm.. and people mention Knight

https://screenrant.com/batman-arkham-knight-pc-good-bad-2022-updates/

[peak marsh]

Pretty sure it was City, but maybe I'm misremembering

Must have been Knight then

[timber prism]

i do remember what you are talking about though.... so it was def one of them ahaha

maybe both!

[peak marsh]

Could be both. Knowing WB, probably both xD

[timber prism]

i started playing Once Human today

and i had no idea it has surival mechanics lmao

[peak marsh]

Yeah, that's part of the big draw

[timber prism]

i always thought it was just a division knockoff XD

[peak marsh]

Actually Force did a whole episode on it

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5Ze9hpnDwHI

How is it so far?

[timber prism]

actually pretty enjoyable but im not very far yet

just started building my base

the server im on isn't super new but i already see a bunch of bases all over the place haha

[peak marsh]

Only turn off to me is it's that whole PvPvE situation and I work full time so I'm no competition for a squad of sweaty teenagers with disposable time

[timber prism]

yea

i picked up some item that i was supposed to being to a thing to "cleanse." and it auto put me int pvp for it

i threw it away because it auto flagged me to pvp but i haven't even started my base or made gear XD

I actually really like pvp though but definitely dispoable time gives huge advantages to "taking over" a server

[peak marsh]

I wouldn't mind if those types of games had some kind of safe zone, like you're good deep in faction territory etc but PVP happens as you venture way out. I'm just not in for a Rust situation where you're rebuilding from zero every time you log in because a squad of giggling 13 year olds decided to burn down your little shack

[tepid wadi]

That's why we play Ark on private servers now. Not worth the pain.

Once Human does look pretty good though, I'm sad I didn't get into the beta

[timber prism]

@tepid wadi if you are on their discord they have been giving out codes the last few days for the Holidays

[tepid wadi]

Yeah, I picked one up last night

[timber prism]

First come first serve. There is a channel for it. They pumped out loke 3600 codes or something in the last two daya

Nice!!!

Im not far but its definitely interesting. It gives me Secret World vibes in terms of theme haha

[sullen crane]

When i been playing once human without a code

https://tenor.com/view/intro-mercy-overwatch-ow2-skin-gif-17433279071020477897

[sullen crane]

I took a week off work just to play this on release week

[misty arch]

for those into modding fallout 4. This one is just a couple of months away.
https://youtu.be/8PuzpblWpVM?si=7NpLawrW8kc8Ti

[untold lynx]

oh I played the Frostpunk board game, which I got for my partner a few years back from their kickstarter

it is verrrry complex but fairly straightforward

and that inspired me to try out Frostpunk itself, which I'd never touched before

good fun

[hallow oracle]

https://youtu.be/50W0JcXy35I?si=aDoWOJ7QvKEXAGl8

Enshrouded is in there

[untold lynx]

do I need 50 new games though

also, this just in: 2018 indie hit Frostpunk is really good, actually

[hallow oracle]

Played it in 2018

and your not going to want to play all 50 games listed

[untold lynx]

thank god

[lunar flame]

You're welcome.

[hallow oracle]

That's my job.

[normal zephyr]

Right now all i want is to play enshrouded, it has such a grip over me, gonna be so good when it comes out

[peak marsh]

I've had that in my library "to-do" list for a while, I'll have to give it a spin soon

[peak marsh]

https://www.yankodesign.com/2023/12/27/retro-gaming-watch-puts-a-tiny-handheld-on-your-wrist-also-tells-the-time/

[short sail]

Can I play Enshrouded on it?!?

[peak marsh]

I mean, they haven't said you can't 🤔

Better ask CUB

[short sail]

B-better wait some time until he'll crush our hopes.

[untold lynx]

no noooo don't let the hype get to you

[rapid yoke]

That thing has more vram than most of your PCs according to all the whining

[untold lynx]

think "maybe the game will be alright"

then u get the pleasant surprise

[rapid yoke]

honestly I expect the game to not be great and devoid of content lasting more than 10 hours (outside building)

Hopefully I'm wrong

[normal zephyr]

I just cant help it, demo was so good alone

[untold lynx]

ma'am imma need you to settle down and forget all about that "demo" stuff

[short sail]

The demo has been gone for so long, I don't know how to breathe anymore.
Also, am I allowed to spill my dopamine now, CUB?

[untold lynx]

only in the containers it's intended for

[rapid yoke]

demo wasn't even the real game, Enshrouded is releasing as an Isometric Tactical Business RPG where you can speculate on pricing and constantly reach out to colleagues about when your projects will release. It's already out

the old bait and switch

[untold lynx]

that's The Enshrouded Experience, only available at discord dot gg slash enshrouded

and it's just me doing cartwheels and clowning in front of 30k very patient folks

[tidal osprey]

I'm not excited at all. I don't even want to play the game and every day I hop on this server I hope for an announcement that the game is delayed...

... indefinitely.

[digital peak]

Anybody play Satisfactory?

[misty arch]

https://media1.giphy.com/media/VStxBrCyssRPO/200w.gif?cid=6c09b952xa8fgxjzlynhs1bplwg9gxeiv4t382kj4qvswr4v&ep=v1_gifs_search&rid=200w.gif&ct=g

[hallow oracle]

OMG!

Playing Payday 3 Solo Under the Surphaze on Hard Managed to collect everything except the main mission target because I couldn't find a safe. Even searched the building 6 times in stealth and 4 times with Cops chasing me still couldn't find it so crashed the mission and googled it!

I AM SEETHING!!!!

It's in such an obvious place as well 😦

[peak marsh]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5pLjE2oDFHA

From the devs of Command and Conquer, Starcraft 2, and Warcraft 3. LFG

[peak marsh]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IN9LMg5E9Po

This has my interest

[timber prism]

I played the last test. Was interesting but definitely has a long way to go to get anywhere close to as successful as Albion Online

[peak marsh]

My big disappointment is that we're still doing MMOs like DOTA with click to move. Back in the early 00s I played an action game, it was basically a top down FPS called Infantry, and they had really smooth WASD movement with mouse to 'steer' and aim. Multiple classes as well. IDK why MMOs can't seem to get on board with that

[timber prism]

It is still super early on but its not solo friendly at all. Leveling was super slow. It took me about six hours to hit lvl 4. Talked to a streamer and he spent 8 hours to hit that... a lvl 5 said it took him 20 hours haha

[peak marsh]

Personally I'm OK with a slow burn as long as the payoff is there, like endgame feels fun and having a full skill set is rewarding

[timber prism]

Yeah

I dont mind it too much but it3l wasnt very fun