#the-tavern
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i did load housework and diy so i was actually tired xD
I wish I was very awake I have to stay up past sunrise to do some errands. 😦
cat memes are the best 😄
you sure about the judge part ?
So... After we rebranded this channel to the new pet memes
I heard in Enshrouded chat people asked for an update.
Maybe they'll want a teaser
To bad for them
CUB could just teaser us one letter of the name. 
Enshrouded chat they mixed up last year's update with this year. You all have to wait til Gamescom like everyone else
i can show them a bit of leg thats enough of a teaser ?
I made fun about that fact.
I am well aware what happened there. 
WTAF
And there's your nightmare for your next sleeps
I should post somethign to get that mosntrosity off my screen.
Nope not enough have to post again
Still there, crap.
delete that.
is it though
As long as I don't scroll up I am safe
LOL
The 5 dimensional cat isn't real, it can't hurt me
you think hedgehogs are cute?
you don't?!?!?!
😏
PLEASE DONT USE NITRADO FOR SERVERS, SCAM
You seem to be upset
a lot too
aparently
pretty sure as its one of the most popular server hosts that its not a scam 😉
another long day. 🥲 👍
Sorry if the idea already exists.
I would great it if you could summon your unplayed characters as NPCs to your base with the staff.
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I also got a great idea. 
one of the jobs i was avoiding done ,kitchen roll holder with blind screw holes 😛 <avoids stuff as he overthinks stuff to much >
you did ?
Yes. I didly doo
that all we getting ?
I'd say we need next to tar and mud now golden mud for those Vukah ruins
if I'm not mistaken, there are nine unique letters composing the name of the next update
v.0.9.0.1 I guess. 👀
That's rather close to 1.0
you could.
What happens if you guys Go lower with the number
The world ends
thwn they remove updates.
I will have been here waiting for 3 years if 1.0 is still set for spring 2026... wild. 3 whole years CUB
downdate
you'll wait 9 years if that's what it takes
Yeah, you're probably right.
Don't make me buy a new console for 1.0 release it on series X 😂😭
or
0.9999.99.99.99.9.9.9.....
Do you want to trap CUB forever here with me
A date for the next update?
No.
Soon

Noone knows yet
whwn is the party?
21 next month
||okay so im guessing sometime in september then.||
I guess 1-2 weeks after the party
ya. 2-3.
Keen Party
21.07.2025
23:59
"Okay, we dropped the next update guys. Now GO!"
If they're bold. 
that'd be bad marketing
too early or too late?
Too late I think
Compared to last year that would be way too early
I higher up to it's done when it's done.
It's just harmless speculating anyway.
The blue wizards keep their secrets
I got another hair splinter today, in the heel of my foot. Pretty annoying, I can't lie.
hair splinter?!
A stray hair like from your head gets embedded into you like a wood splinter it SUCKS.
They are a PITA to get out and it's usually in your feet and it HURTS
metal splinters are bad enough.
don't walk barefoot on the cut hair
Worst ones I have had are cats whiskers. they go DEEP and like to split.
those are so gnarly to pull out too.
it's happened to me multiple times to stab myself while stroking my own chin
dropping something just after announcing it wouldn't give us the time to build the hype around it
we've got 4M players, need some time to rouse them up, get them excited a little!
skill issue

👀 Just found this place...
Oh no, another poor soul lost in the dark 
Well my Discord is in dark mode, would explain some...
new player, returning player, prospective player?
Prospective till I can get to my PC...
What about regular players?
we don't have those, only weirdoes around here
Buddy goes "this looks fun to play together"... Indeed.
I resemble that remark
yeah didn't think you'd resent it 
I am offendead
i find that remark relatable 😛
one of the enduring strengths of our game is that it constantly managed to get new people hooked through their friends
we're pretty happy about that, for obvious reasons
It spreads like spores
or farts
one infected tells his buds and these tell their other buds
and with our building system it has enough to satisfy demanding builders, or people who enjoy puttering about their base while waiting for their friend
Impetigo - Surviving for Real.
(you know, the one who's juuust about to log in, I swear bro I'm pulling in the driveway right now)
CUB, there is a way to make up for your past insults that offendead me.
that's for me to know
and for you to wonder
Didn't let that one go out for awhile huh? 
i gotta air it out every once in a while
What about Toasts dad jokes
he has to ration them so you don't get too used to them
It's been awhile since I saw one. 
Like a long honestly.
Probably spending his energy with everyone else on the Gamescom prep
Lately he's only factual bread
okay. so early october.
your guess is as good as mine
November. Last offer
would you accept mid decembet?
Pants and tents doesn’t really rhyme.
Depending on pronunciation
With super redneck pronunciation yeah sure.
👋
TLDR my laptop was fixed then it wasn’t and now… i think? I think its good again lol
So maybe i can finally get some enshrouded play in!
@carmine scroll we got until the 18th - and then i’m in Spain for a few weeks
Idk if ill have a chance to get on much while im there its gonna be hectic.
tonight sounds good.
I can prob do that!
youre hosting.
rip
ya i jusr have enough worlds allready lol
I will need to get all my files copied back over too before we start, but that should be easy enough.
I just have to remember where i stashed the backups 😛
i figured we were doing a fresh start lol
whats going on with the steam page?
it's gone
Yeah, why?
probably one of the best games out there and the page went poof.
and i havent heard anything that would usually lead to it happening
@pliant quarry did you eat the Enshrouded Steam page again?
its literally just gone
maybe Visa and Mastercard didn't like our game
they really need to butt out of everything. and no where close to what ive heard them throwing fits over.
to be clear that was a joke lol, but yeah it seems like the page is down for some reason, I'll see if I can figure out what's going on
doesn't appear to be deleted because our community hub still exists
I mean, we've all seen those mushrooms 😏
sorry im autistic so text and jokes dont work well. XD
Yeah maybe the mushrooms went too far
well thats good news. still weird
When the game is deleted by steam https://steamdb.info/history/events/ here appears the message that the game is banned....it means the developers themselves removed the page...what happens
This was not something we did, so... I will talk to the team and see what I can find. Very strange
Check dev socials before guessing. 🤷♂️ probably gotta talk to steam about it.
What going onn
why was Enshrouded removed from Steam?
its gone, its all gone
Toast is working on finding out
this is crazy, nothing in Enshrouded has anything ban worthy. Such an overstep from VISA/ETC
It doesn't seem to affect the game in the library, it still loads up and runs just fine
That's good at least.
That was a joke, we don't know why it was removed for now
We didn't do this ourselves, we aren't sure what's going on but we're looking into it
It does appear to be marked as removed by steam for whatever reason though
Recently Stalcraft X was removed from Steam, then returned again. So there is a chance that the game will return to Steam. Otherwise it would be a shame if this is the end of the game's development.
so I can't find the game on steam...
Nah it's not that, this is most likely some kind of bug or error of some kind. Removed does not mean deleted
The game development not ending because of the steam page being gone lol
It wouldn't be the end of anything, but also it's more likely that it's some kind of error or temporary hiccup, not something deliberate
Yee
it's definitely not the end of development lmao, don't worry. Probably just some clerical error on steam's end
yeah even the steam discussion is empty
Its Tuesday steam maintenance, I would not panic too quickly, i'm still able to install the tgame.
the steam community page is there for me
the enshrouded page was completly removed.
I'm sure it's just a matter of time till Steam restores everything
no its not empty
i mean besides the post that are pinned
its empty for me
u need to click on the left side there is everything - all discussions
what's weird is that if I try to buy the soundtrack bundle it still adds the game to the bundle.
but
ah ok
oo i see
without the pic of the game
is this the visa master card thing
Yeah to be clear this was not something that the developers did, we're looking into it but we assume it's some kind of error or bug on Steam's end. The store page will return, we just need to figure out what went wrong and get a hold of Steam to fix it.
Or it might fix itself, if it's just a Steam server error or something.
... I only trust you because your username is Toast.
hope so this is one of the best surv games need ppl to see and buy it
no? you need to enter the forum from the right. People already wonder and blame VISA
you can track what happened there
Our mushrooms went too far apparently 
It happened to me when I bought a game in early access, and then deleted it, apparently due to a copyright dispute, then the developer issued a key for a new game from him with the same concept, so it was not a shame.
So there were precedents when the game was removed from Steam and early access remained forever, but more often the game is abandoned by the developers, Steam rarely removes major releases, even the recent scandal with games for adults affected very few games in fact.
Pretty sure people are joking about the Visa thing xD
the removel of categories is weird. https://steamdb.info/app/1203620/history/
shame on u xD
Okay already i got the message, i keep forgetting steam changed things with there new update no need to keep @ me
When a game is removed/blocked it always says "removed STORE NAME"
that's strange. but ok
We are cooked, never support a early acess game guys
or steam made a error, since it is tuesday and steam always acts weird on tuesday
Steam and I have that in common
I feel like we’re overdue for a large update
I gotta say... it is odd timing for this kinda thing to happen
Dark and Darker fellings right now
considering the sound track is still on the store
Gonna refer back to what I said here, you're not cooked I promise
#the-tavern message
... or not? 🤔 anyway, you can jokingly blame things, it's allowed
ok, ok, won't @ you no more!
thank you baby don't abandon us
but what if I WANT to be cooked? you can't stop me, I am my own person!
it's fine Antor i just get annoyed when 5 or more people say the same thing
I mean, technically speaking Toast is cooked
lol
...shut up... xD
well, Rai, it was only two of us and we didn't conspire, I swear.
Also I thought replies are ... normal?
its fine as i said
Everyone to storm the VISA office, they most likely have nothing to do with it....but I think they will survive it somehow.
But seriously, the main thing is that there is no violation of copyright.
I also saw how all the games of one publisher were removed from Steam, then they all came back one by one, recreating the page from another publisher, it is also unknown what the publisher did wrong.
i just hate how my steam keeps switching looks for some reason
I genuinely think it was the phallus mushrooms
yeah i had that same thing happen, but it was everything of the game gone, and then poof it came back after a hour
It probably wasn't but that would be a very funny reason to have our game get taken offline
But yeah we're still looking into it, the steam page still exists it has just been delisted for some reason, we are trying to get in contact with steam.
Lmao
It would be hilarious.
not the first or last time steam did this , don't panic 😄
Steams dying!!! Flail!!!!
lol it's just tuesday and steams usual shenanigans
Up again
Its back?
Yep
yes
Sweeeeet
Im sure there's some sort of SLA for steam whoopsies lol
yea it's back
It was the shrooms, wasn't it Toast?
Alright the page should be back up now from what we can tell. There was an update to our page directly from valve that got it taken down for some reason, but after getting in contact with them they fixed the error. Not entirely sure why it happened in the first place, still figuring that part out lol
will you tell us what happened? really curious
when you know
obv
you forgot to pay them ? 😛
Depends on the reason, but they're generally pretty forthcoming if they're allowed to be 😄
there's this German games event? maybe because of it somehow?
Most likely answer is it was some unintended effect of something else Steam was doing
Yeah I don't think the answer will be very exciting tbh, backend stuff happens a lot when it comes to games on Steam and I suspect something went wrong when valve made this revision
Steam says they're looking into it though
But... But... I've already gathered the doomsayers. 
Get to the saying of dooms then.
Everyone in Cohh's chat crashing out for 30min was pretty funny ngl
true
Was he streaming Enshrouded today?
Agh, I still haven't completed the Steam achievement for finding all flame shrines and sanctums in Kindlewastes, but according to the map on the wiki, there are none left. I guess there might be one or two that hasn't been added to the map.
is the road map updated?
Well it's up to date if that's what you mean, we check things off after every update
Of course it doesn't include every single thing that will get added to the game, just the stuff that we know is definitely coming in the near-ish future
like shrouded versions of this discord helpers so we can slap them 😛
No, he's streaming Grounded 2. Almost within the minute Enshrouded was delisted someone @ him from twitch. Given what's going on with steam, I'm sure you can imagine what was happening in the chat. 😂
but it could have been!
What do you mean by "Enshrouded was delisted"?
OK, so it was temporarily delisted from Steam?
Mhm
For about 30 minutes the store page was delisted (if you went to the store page URL it would just re-direct you back to the steam home page)
Must be because of all the nudity in Enshrouded.
Obviously
#the-tavern message yeah this was my theory
I mean, have you seen all those enshrouded mobs? I don't think anyone of them have any clothes on.
Maybe the ranged mobs, I think they have some kind of frocks
Pretty sure we should get another new cosmetic outfit for 'our hassel'. At least a hat of some kind. I did have to hear about something that had no affect on me... but think of the seconds of time that took up in my precious day... must be worth something.
I was honestly shocked at how many people noticed, if any game in my library had its store page disappear for 30 minutes the chances of me actually noticing are astronomically low lol
A dunce cap
for me it wouldn't even be astronomically low, as the word "low" implies "more than zero"
Actually, a bust so I could place the cosmetic hats in game would be better.
no, not that kind of bust
It's what happens when you train an entire community of people to notice things xD
"Is this some kind of bust?" - "Yes, it's very impressive, but ..."
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1S2wjSvX2D8
I went to the dentist today so I get ice cream for dinner
course then I'll need a dentist for the cavities of ice cream....
That's future you's problem. Today you get ice cream
/happy clap
today my dental hygienist learned what the note on my account about having troubles with xrays was all about
as in I can punt an xray block across the room in my desire to get it out
she decided to add a few extra adjectives
REALLY REALLY doesn't like xrays ;)))
whats the best gem for a warrior build
Depends on how you fight, but generally the gems that involve blocking/aiming at a target fit really well. Since you're blocking anyhow it effectively turns blocking into another attack
im using the gem of agilty on my hailscourge, dont know if you think thats a good gem
I'm not a big fan of the prerequisite gems, ie; dodge and get buff or sprint and get buff, because those won't fit every situation. If it's working for you that's all that matters, but personally I prefer gems that amplify what I'm already doing rather than changing it
whats ur opinion on the gem of focus light
i have one just dnt know what i should use
Focused light is pretty solid if you also use a fire weapon
And again it fits with a warrior style really well because in most fights you're blocking anyhow
Cold composure is another good one since it AOEs and also pairs with blocking
I'd advise against the "aiming" gems for an archer build
id assume so theres just so many different routes with a warrior build
For the amount of time you have to aim to proc the gem, you're really only going to find it useful for your first shot. By the time you're ready for your next shot they're already closing in so you won't have time to just stand there aiming for upwards of 3 seconds, so it becomes a situational gem
Storm's Eye is decent for archers because it gives you a multi-enemy attack, moreso if you trigger it on multishot
Bleed is also not bad if you use poison arrows since it just adds more DoT
whats your prefered build you rock with, sounds like u know alot about archer
I've mained bow/daggers pretty much since launch (well, daggers came later, but you get me xD dex build)
yea when the game first came out i went with a mage build but i never enjoyed it
but then again so much as changed so i wouldnt know if its different now
Mage is the one I've spent the least time with, mostly because bows appeal to me more. If I make a new character it'll probably be a mage so I can really experience that playstyle
I've leveled a 1h/2h warrior, and bow/dagger is far and away my main
yea ive like 50 hour down on my warrior build
but im thinking of restating and doing a archer build
Bow/dagger is fun. It starts out a little slow until you get some dex and perks under your belt but it gets pretty strong later game, especially if you get good at parrying with daggers
my biggest worry with archer is if its gets boring being solo
Nah, the nice thing about bow and dagger is it opens up your options. Not only by having both a ranged and a melee option, but also with the different arrow types. You get a ton of utility
Flare arrows, stun arrows, explosive arrows, you have a lot of ways to approach any given situation, and if none of those sound fun you can just run in slashing xD
im going to try it out forsure, im starting a archer build right now ill throw in the daggers aswell
Add in jump attack for AOE and maybe multishot, then buff your parry and add in overpower and maybe breach
Not to mention if you want to go the leech route battle heal pairs well with daggers
They attack so fast that it's not hard to proc a crit
Mix that with a leech dagger and 2x gemini rings for maximum results
will do thanks for your input
Main thing I'll add is dex is always your priority. Get all the dex you can from the tree and pair that with at least one, if not two food types that also add dex. From there whatever skills you add become icing on the cake
Also get good at the daggers alternate attack. Swing, delay for like half a second, then swing again. It'll give you a two handed overhead slash that does a lot more damage and hits a small aoe in front of you, like a cleave
It's by far their biggest damage attack
Always jump attack. Melee build? Jump attack. Dagger build? Jump attack. Spellcaster build? Believe it or not, jump attack.
Hey guys, quick question, are twitch drops claimable once or can i claim them in multiple characters/saves?
Once unlocked claim them as much as you want
Thanks!
So apparently this is a bug. Whenever you walk under something that's too short it automatically crouches is this not a feature I figured it was
hey gang what's good
Its for me because, out of aaaall games, this is the game that sets expectations, manages those, hits milestones and delivers on promises instead of just going silent or coming with excuses, isnt out of the world buggy. I feel like I am part of a community, you are always in the chat, devs sometimes participate and there is always something going on, its constantly updated and you feel like the world around you changes, I drop games after 50 hours always and this game i have 700 I played since launch its my favorite game
I made lemon bars today. Those are good ^_^
well we do have our bugs, let's not paper over these
I never had bugs to be fair, really never.
Aside from huge frame drops some updates.
Hello, Enshrouders! I saw a notification that mentioned about collecting armor/clothe pieces this morning in a treasure hunt, but I can't seem to find the post. Could someone please direct me to that post, please and thank you.
I have two bugs going right now.
found it, sorry
see the latest posts in #socials-feed
I hope the game gets followers, something to follow you around, it gets kinda lonely for me personally lol.
And more things to collect and display in home, more area's to explore, replayable content, the event system seems promising.
I am alive.
Wonder for how long. 
Depends on how far the "Flameborn" scope goes.
I don't know if the NPCs we rescued count as Flameborn too, but I doubt.
Thus going into Shroud would kill them, as it'd animals.
But you can have a Vukah/animal have follow you around with certain passives I think.
Yeah just something funny like a wisp following you or like a little miniauture fell enemy just for fun right
A passive one that doesnt do anything would be fine too or indeed like you said maybe something with passives could be actually pretty sick
Whisper quietly and reverently... Coooins... 👻
Im down, as long as you can collect them around the world, collecting is my thingg
Wisps got bottled up
Or scroll'd for now
Yeah wisp wasnt a good example since its a mage skill currently but something along the lines of like a fairy maybe but Im unsure if keen wants it to stay lore accurate or leaves room for things that go past that just for fun sake
Because right now theres dead people everywhere and I dont understand how they died like, hunger, shroud? lol
I think alotta factors actually
- War ongoing about the blue juice
- Thus some people starved/died in exhaustion
- Shroud could've spread further temporarily (as with the night patrols) but not being able to hold on for long outside the dimmer parts of the world
- The ancients be like "your apocalypse, not our problem" despite having some or a followership
- And the selected few helpful ancients died forming the campfire we talk with
- Not to mention the people that did not got bottled up successfully
try to build two storied animal pens with the same animal beds one above the other, for example yak's and armadillo's. We have yaks and armadillos which constantly teleport between floors. It's hilarious. And annoying.
I have been making beaded fringe for a lamp all night. I guess that's pretty good.
yup. The lamp base is a skull lady
I am remaking the lampshade
damn that's nice
it will be nicer when I am done
Halloween decor has come a long way
Hand painted silk velvet in Halloween colors and matching hand beaded fringe
any purple blocks in there?
YES many!
And coins? Coins are also spooky.
CUB always starts to evade me the second I mention them.
no coins
as if you would fly here and risk the wrath of ICE to see a lamp
You have not seem the silk velvet
that shade has cheezy polyester panne
ick
uhm then I've mistaken that for the screen above
I am still doing tests for the fabric part of the shade
Also whats ICE
The modern gestapo
in the US
they harass and hurt immigrants and forigen visitors
(DO NOT VCOME TO THE US)
Looks like a mix of fleece and felt
I will drive car.
Even oversea.
the fabric on that shade is BAD.
I am redoing it
and no more chainette fringe
LOL yeah, it is. You know, a silky cloth would probably be nice on it or at least something smooth like that.
The silk velvet will look good once dyed
Oooh, yeah, that would be nice.
I kind of know what I am doing?
At least one of us two.
Will it take the dye nicely? The last few times I've seen someone try to dye velvet type cloths it turned out pretty bad, I think they did it wrong or something
Maybe they used the wrong dye
I have silk/rayon velvet and I am VERY good at dying.
they probably tried to dye pol;y velvet and that take special poly dye
Likely. They 'knew' what they were doing, but I think it was the kind of knew, where they tell people they did but were just winging it
I have been doing this for decades
I have special dye for each fibre type (cellulose, protien, synthetic)
Yeah, I know embroidery not dying cloths at all
I dye fibre for friends
and have been dying fabrics for decades. I do actually know what I am doing
Didn't think you didn't. You do like to go all out for Halloween
yeah and I have a dizzying array of different skills to do so... NONE OF THEM MARKETABLE
heh
LOL maybe seamstress? I assume sewing is one of them.
Yeah I have done that but doing it as a job is really boring
and I am bad about sticking clients with pins when they annoy me
(too long doing costuming in theater)
LOL oh, i knew some theatre kids, I would stick them too O.O
AK-tors are a PITA
Many of them can be LOL

8 orders gotta go fast with that now
thats a strange blue creature.
It's CUBs ancestor
hes only wearing shoes.
Tell that to my restraining order
unless the blue is a body suit.
sneefle
chores stand between me and a good build session
or a bad build session depending on my skillz
I had a real run yesterday...
But then... Sleep time. 
I've been going to bed too early...like an old person...oh wait...sigh...
Can't get older if you don't accept the terms of age
I blew out the candles soooo
Salutations, can someone tell if the game will be available for purchase on GoG?
does that mean everyone who dies just decided not to accept this years terms of service?
I think so.
Or the calibration of the airways expired.
Im still 29.
probably not, at least not for a while
Hello, when is the water biome/water asset update I’m so excited for that in enshrouded
When it's done
we have not announced anything yet about the next update
we are however having a presence at Gamescom, including a community event where we'll share some development news
so expect to see more info around that time 
im turning 29 next year. so eventually.
Yep, I figured we'd get some hot scoops out of Gamescom.
pfft ancient , time to order your next teath and zimmer frame 😛
its okay. ill be turning 29 the following years as well.
some might claim im turning 40 in 2028.
but those people woukd be liers and heretics.
as i will be turning 29 that year actually.
thought I'd recognized you
more annoying than Janice from friends ?
Janice?
squeaky voiced woman in Friends tv series 😄
Since fran headlines the show and Janice was a guest, fran wins with sheer volume
Where do i find the resource servers?
There's some in #1195389948069675009 , and there's some worlds you can download directly if you want in #1200109637815517184
@slate crater
#1346947011060170816 as #1241833456875606175 are the big two that i know.
you can also search by the resource world tag.
honestly i feel bad that the shroud moved into someones base after the update. i wish we knew where it would spread before hand so we can move our stuff.
It moved into mine and a Night Sanctum was partially in mine too. I haven't bothered moving yet because I have no where to go and I really love this spot. 🙁
Hence why I plan to build a floating house, even though it probably will be a PITS to setup
It sucks I just expanded my tavern and inn for a bigger kitchen when it happened.
Iv accidentally built on top of 2 hallow halls
But it hasent effected them because there so high up soooo... I hope im good
Before I build anything floating I wait until the center of the map opens 
i suggest putting a mildly fascinating and very long movie or youtube playlist on on a second monitor while you build the island.
maybe one about 4 to 8 hours long.
That would result in me making a fractal shaped floating island as opposed to a square like shape 😛
But thanks for the suggestion, definitely need it when I mine the 20 full stacks of stone
if you're doing that much please just save time and use a resource world.....
I thought of that but I think it cheapens the experience a little I think.
I'll see, if I die of boredom I will go resource island
it doesnt. T-T
it's just time consuming.
after many hours in the game I found it was not worth my time just digging holes for stone, i'd rather spend that time building.
i can see not wanting to use a resource world for everything but if you're doing a massive build project it's better to just grab the backpack full of blocks or terrain and save yourself hours of time. it's the one time I will insist people just use a resource world.
Will do 😃
I didn't say hi but that's because uuuh I was watching you silently
in a non-creepy way
I think they are onto us...
no I still need them 3 digits on the back of the card
|<01|\ | it did not take the slash 
XYZ is mine
Whoever finds out what that above 👆🏻 means gets a 
Koin?
Almost there
Yea I will just say it is right.
Normally coin but somehow C does not exist in that language
Meanwhile my phone dies.
Haven't seen 1337 5p34k in ages
Morning 🙂
you guys get to pick?
no those are the code for my goth card and my spooky card
wait your PIN is only three digits?
no the digits on the back
but the 666, you picked that number, presumably? Or did you just order one thousand credit cards and hope for the best
I am telling you it was a joke
oh 
you neeed a day off
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blackmire spire made me so mad I uninstalled last night... me reinstalling this morning smh
i jumped, uplift boosted me into the ceiling, and i went from nearly the top to getting respawned in the Cinder Vault because I glitched

hate when that happens
I mean the cinder vault teleport is a failsave. Better than "ur character is gone, please try again later" 
yeah.. I think I just find that Spire frustrating to begin with so it was a bit of an extra kick in the pants
Also, normally, the jump pads don't need really much player inputs to put you where you should go, but I admit it's unintuitive
maye i'll admit defeat and watch a walk through later, i got to the part with the grapple hook and then was like 'do i go back down?' and thats when chaos ensued
If we are talking about the last 2 before the top, it's even better to do them slower.
i got the two jump pads, got up to the grapple dingus, but then i couldnt see where to go next, except maybe down, but then i realized down was just where i was before and then uplift put me through the ceiling
Problem is the blackmire spire is not very clear you need to follow a branch of the tree after them to get to the top. 
In this case the spire was too much inspired by Zelda. 

I do feel like some games are too obvious, like HZD and the yellow stuff... but yeah i struggled a bit. ah well i'll try it tonight again. just needed to vent lol
you could always build a staircase or two and just glide into it.
Keen needs to redo the spire and put the old shortcut back in.
while keeping the improved jump pad puzzle.
a couple of chests maybe that were like 'you're going in the right direction, here is the 37th green wolfs maw'
i still not sure i have found the 'correct' way up there i am double jumping up branches and sliding down and feel like i'm trying to climb mountains in Skyrim
its a tricky one.
Why is it that late already. 
that is a good question
It's early somewhere.
I will make you late if you go further.
I will teleport him into my timezone.
His personal twilight zone
Also you should work CUB, theres a event you need to carry out.
I'll show up in all of my royalty, you know what that means.
what's the event
The party
well I'm not carrying out the event, it's happening in 3 weeks
man clearing out all the black in the map is not easy
Wow... Wording... I'm assuming you're meaning the fog of war 😄
What DOES the community manager job entail?
like actual job requirements?
herding cats
Manage the community
lol yes
no shit dawg. im talking about the professional bullet points.
Though to go into detail, I assume:
- Knowing some memes/or stuff to make fun off
- How to behave with customers that are... spicy
- Know how to be social / communicate stuff, so the team can stay anti social.

But probably most of the job plays around YouTube, Reddit and in headaches
i was casually thinking today about how we dont have any CMs at night or on the weekends.
but theres probably like, video editting experience needed.
That's because we got trained - but we don't when - to behave.
and toast does actual progra.jng.
CUB often works in subliminal messages.
mainly im just wondering what i can do to help the community mor3.
i have no life and i hang out here often enough.
Isn't that like kindergarden? 🤔 joking if not obvious
You're great and do what you can. 
Probably answer more often in troubleshooting or if someone asks a question though.
Nope, because kids hold onto rules and you can ground them... well, except nowadays. 
Right and they've the excuse of being kids. 
id be useless in troubleshooting but i did unmute #getting-started to help in there more.
Jokes aside: I know in some cases the poor community managers also reading entire Discords and give the devs the "summary".
The Wiki is always in need of more info, and i know you spend a lot of time farming stuff.
Well CUB skips most of it, so the devs are safe. 
that would mean working with you know who.
pass.
CM's help smooth the communication between the communities and the devs ^^
I believe there are a couple of people working on the actual editing now? Someone was posting a while back, perhaps if you can work with one of them?
Sometimes also playing mediator within the community itself.
Exactly.
Hence why I don't think there's a "specific" requirement for community managers (aside from being able to communicate) in general and it's also a bit "case by case". 🤔
Yea i'm not sure how you'd devine the roll, skill based, aside from 'have you done this before' 😄 You need good communication skills as well as a level temperament most of the time. Know your social medias etc etc.
And a strong mind as they're dealing with the "unpleasant parts" too.
If you've ever been in retail for any length of time, you've got at least a little customer resilience 😄
I'm out at "social". 😅
:)))
who had to say the line 'there I buried my pants' cause like...lol. he needs a cookie!
well if that situation has changed i just might!
I for the life of me cant remember who it was but there's at least 1 other person that's been asking for Wiki assistance so yea ^^
Wasn't that Mama
I don't think Kira has any direct handling of the Wiki, but the name i'm thinking of was orange.
ok! pants aquired! Waiting til next week for the finale!!!
Then I am out of ideas. 
there are as many community manager types as there are community manager jobs, to be honest
here at Keen Games, Community Managers are also social media managers
and event managers
building a community from the ground up is like gardening
everything takes times, and there's a lot to do at certain times, and at others you can just smell the roses
and everything takes a lot of time in the beginning, and sometimes, things just don't work out no matter how careful or attentive you were
The life of a Community Manager
Mythic Quest S01E04
oh I forgot, we're also content producers inasmuch as we make or help make a lot of our social media content
in bigger companies (think Ubi, Rockstar, Xbox) these would be full-time jobs for several people
That's good. 😄
thankfully our community isn't like that
Yeah that clip felt more real for the last game I worked on because it was a competitive shooter lol
I guess you've also a chainsaw if necessary. 😇
if I need a chainsaw it means I've let a problem fester for way too long
not that it doesn't happen
Smooth Motion from Nvidia really boosts my frames.
https://youtu.be/B3okujB8iZQ?si=2FjTcV-Ch29-663e
🤮
oh and that's even without getting into all the work with featureupvote, the contests, the feedback on gameplay, the help prioritizing issues, the help recording trailer footage, doing brand management, general marketing help...
a lotta hats
and on this good note
imma put mine back on and skedaddle
be good!
@signal ocean @pliant quarry
ya i was just curious what the keen job entails, not that i think im qualified. 😄
Have a good evening CUB!
Yeah community manager is a super vague title, and even within the industry people have trouble properly defining it lol
The general concept is that we're the bridge between the developers and the players. We handle public communication, announcements, patch notes, stuff like that, and we're also in charge of listening to and understanding what the players are saying, sorting through all that feedback and information, and presenting it to the development team to keep them informed on what's going on and what the players want from the game.
But beyond those broad concepts, the little things vary a lot from studio to studio and CM to CM. Like Cub said, here we have a lot of overlap with social media managers
I feel like weed. 
I also hope I am not one of these mentioned problems. I will be better. 
when one wants to listen to an alcopella group whose voices meld together like magic and my caterwalling along with them makes the cats sad....
and make weather change for rest of world ? 😛 @wanton folio
It's possible :)))
Does anyone know if you can changet the color of metallic armors (Like tank / warrior has)? OR if they are planning to add possibility in future? 🙂
You cannot for now
And we don't know if. I honestly doubt.
Darned! Would be cool to change it at least to "metallic" colors like gold, bronze, silver etc. Well, let's hope it will be possible / that they add mode "classic knight style" armors and not that "futuristic" looking. 🙂
Because the game got a medieval touch, so probably the only solution is to colorize the cloth/leather attached to it.
The metal being colored is more like a modern fantasy game story.
That is true! 🙂
But yea I get where you come from.
Some armors destroyed the looks in certain color patterns
If you color it, I think the knight's armor looks like you're going to save the world in your nightgown. 
"I just saved the world before the first coffee while still wearing my nightgown." 
Kind of a fashionista statement huh. 
Yeah, well maybe not pink / blue armor but as I mentioned, at least a few "material" styles etc. 😄 Black, silver, bronze, golden etc. 
Well, here's the problem.
They excluded (for now) metals to be colorized at all and we got no free will in what gets which color.
So I highly doubt it's in the cards, doesn't mean it won't be changed but eh...
Before one is going against me, I'd love to have copper, silver and even gold armors. 
Gotcha sir! 
I could squeeze out Toast about that matter though
After buttering toast up first? 🤔
@pliant quarry
Hey my golden buttered Community Manager, how likely is it that we'll get the opportunity to change the metal part of armor to other metal colors?
I see that did not get old what I intended
It's too hard to resist. 
I fear the first answer will be "Ping me never again." 
I would have expected a "Don't put jam on me." 👀
Decently likely, eventually, but I'm not sure when. I know it wasn't included in the current iteration of the system because it was a lot more complicated to do it with the shaders of shiny metal armor (at least, in a way that doesn't look ugly)
👀 Well that's interesting to know.
We have an answer from the blue, I mean from the bread gods. 
hello
hello 👋
hi guys, any1 know why i cant use soil with rake or build hammer?]
You should be able to use it with the hammer by scrolling down to "terrain". Is it only soil that's not working or the other terrains too? 🤔
how about a way to just remove tarnish......>_>
i would love to see the system upgraded from color palette to recolling different sections individuallly but its a pipe dream for sure.
some games that don't support it use hex editing but that is pita xD
just make everything purple and quit worrying about it
lol
Easiest solution. Although maybe throw in some black too. 
or white I suppose for both sides of the moral code 😉
You get white as addition if I get black. Deal? 😈
i like green with bit of blue!
with great age comes, nothing useful really
There is always some problem. 
aye
"Useful" is sometimes absolutely overrated. 🙂
i am useful to my family as tech support and a taxi xD
ty guys i will try now
what is the fix to when shift R isnt working??
God, it's like this game is in early access or something. /j
lol check ya keyboards not broke 😛
Sir, is your computer on?
i tried reloading world. still nothing. uhg.
if it's not I dont know how Im on enshrouded right now lol
new mobile version 😄
its working again. feking weird
Did you have the material equipped?
i had someone with game issue and left mouse button . turns out the mouse micro switch was dying ><
that was the first thing i fiddled with!
dont know what got it working
Next time it happens, find out! 😄
this ladys and gents is why @tame seal gets paid all the big moneys 😛
I WISH i got paid in cookies.
same
i just wish i got paid 😄
Do tamed hophare produce anything or do I have to murder them to get fur and meat?
Murderer..... No, they just for funsies.
They reproduce though!
hmm, I was hoping theyd be a reliable way to get lean meat for the cat.
should be able to breed the cat to get meat 🙈
. . .
Just call him Wyrm, he loves that. 
I wish they added a feature that forces my friends to play the game with me as often as I want to and enjoy it 😔
But that'd take their freedom away.
I literally bought my friend the game on the premise that he'd play it with me, but he barely plays it cus he has wicked bad game ADHD
Right now he's playing 🤮 League of Legends 🤮
My problem is, when I get into a game like this or Terraria, I literally no-life it for like 5+ hours every day for days straight
(5 being the low end)
I do have another friend who is just as special about these games as I am, but he refuses to play until 1.0 releases :[
We're waiting on Valheim 1.0 release as well before we do our next playthrough of that
Anyway I'm done ranting now, gonna go cry in a corner
noooooooooooo
League of Legends: a game I'll never play but I have to admit, their music is peak
Me whenever I go back to my 3 month Skyrim VR phase
Man Valheim has been around for so long I keep forgetting that it's not even officially out yet
Valhein hasnt had a 1.0 release yet???
common sense will return to the world before some games leave EA 😛
That's one of the things about early access games: if they're too ambitious, they take years to even see a 1.0
The world would have had to have it for it to "return"🤣
one of this games devs explained about 1.0 really only get one chance to get it right so its best to be ready
That's the one thing I'm mildly worried about Enshrouded. I love this game and each update is absolute peak, but the current game map is a fraction of what they said it would be when it's released and we've only had like 2 biome updates since the past year so how much longer will it be until we make it to even the halfway park of the map completion?
It most likely will eventually and they made enough money at launch that they can finish it at their own pace. Unfortunate it's been this long though, it would be interesting to see what else Iron Gate could do
I thought Valheim is by Coffee Stain Studio, or is that just the publisher?
they could get hair conditioner sponsor for the troll to make more money 😛
they should hire our barber
Coffee Stain is a publisher. They also have games like Satisfactory and Deep Rock Galactic under their umbrella
Iron Gate is the studio behind Valheim, though it's primarily Dvoid, the lead dev
@fickle ingot that come outta your head again ? 😄
Yep. I used to be a regular in the Valheim discord
oh i still am apparently
Idk I used to think that Coffee Stain made all those games and use Goat Simulator as a playground for what not to do in a video game
Nah, they're just a publisher that focuses primarily on independent studios
and seemingly not like Focus and EA
Honestly I think this game is ambitious and yet they still manage to deliver consistently. I've never believed more in a development team with an Early Access title than I have with this game. That's another reason I really like it. The norm for EA is delays and indefinites, and broken promises. So when you have a case like this where they crush expectations then blow past them, you can't help but become enamored.
Regarding Valheim, it's a really great game as well and I'd love to see it finished, but I just don't understand why it takes them so long to push the content, particularly because its success saw an expansion of the studio and I imagine they could've made it a full-time gig if it wasn't already. Not to discredit the game or team, but it's not exactly the highest of graphical fidelity or programming needs, and the game doesn't have a crazy amount of content either. It's a lot of procedural generation too. I just don't really understand why it's taking them so long to get to 1.0
I wish most studios had a little more transparency surrounding their operations when it concerns an early access title
A lot of stuff does take years but comes out well… Satisfactory and Abiotic Factor. Heck I bought Rust in EA in 2013
also depends on size of the developer
Focus and experience play a large part too. Take Enshouded, they've already done more in a year and a half than most games get in their entire life cycles
Do the target dummies just disappear on their own? I've had two sets just vanish.
Abiotic Factor was pretty fun
I need to farm the heck out of this level 1 chest in the highlands before the devs realize it's there.
this is some tasty loot
Eww Rust. I would never play it. Don't like an open world where anyone can come along at any time and just screw with you.
As I understand it, it's a lot better on private servers
But yeah for the most part I'm against any game where hours of work can be wiped out by a sweaty, giggling 14 year old while I'm at work
yeah there's just no way I'm going to do it. And as much as I love sailing and exploration games I also won't play Sea of Thieves
Kyora will have sailing and exploration 🙂
This is why I don't play survival games on public servers any more, basically.
Dune so needs to have true private servers that can be self hosted with a private DD as well.
Dune needs a lot of things right now. 😝 Hopefully they'll get there.
I'm so tired of getting stuck in wedged ground and having to relog to unstuck myself ._.
They really need to allow you to use pickaxe while floating
anybody can use the items they got from twitch drops?
Yeah. Once you spawn them in game they're just items
All of the twitch drops are available normally in game anyhow, the drops are just a way for the devs to help out community streamers and gives a shortcut to new items
Mine's locked out, do I have to do the quests before claiming the items?
If you do the quests, the game would just give you the items outright, it is not required to claim the rewards from twitch drops, although the twitch drop authentication can be rather twitchy, it may take several minutes of actually being in game before the twitch drops are now available to show up
Check that your steam and your twitch are linked. Sometimes they randomly unlink for some reason and it blocks out the drops
I seeeeeee, thank you guys!!
Hi everyone, I need your take on something. I started the game a couple weeks ago (lvl 20) and we're planning on playing together with a friend who never played. I was wondering what would be the best option ? Start a new game so that he can discover everything and me dropping my game where it is while trying not to spoil him. There, for me create a new character or keep mine and its advancement. Else ? What would you do, what do you think ? Thanks a lot !
For someone brand new to the game I'd advive a new world. You don't need to start over with a new character, you can use your current one and just equip armor and weapons that match the level of the area and aside from a few extra skills you'll both be on the same level
thanks for your answer. Indeed I was wondering if we were starting a new world while keeping my own character as it is would be the most preferable option (at least for me). I set aside all the experience scrolls I looted also for him, just in case. So you don't think grabing equipment would be too spoilish if the equipment stays on our current lvl during our progression right ? I think this could be fair, I just don't want him to be too spoiled and me too frustrated. I was also considering increasing the difficulty level to balance it a little more for me in this case
It really depends on the experience you want to have, but yeah having higher level gear will make the early game pretty trivial, and later when it does get more challenging it'll feel frustrating, IMO
Aight sounds fair indeed, thanks a lot for you answers, I'll do that then !
I've got a bad one (day) 
Morning
ribbit
Morning, Froggy.
whassup whassup
G'day CUB!
how's things
"frog incident"?
Yesterday most of my tech died except for PC and Microwave. 
She's mean and dangerous.
Jumps people without a warning. 
"Not my fault"
Because I did not even touch it.
My companys handy is in a restart loop, my TV has screen problems (I think it's the screen refresher) and as of today even hickups to show the picture/freezes
Luckily we got 2 spare TV, it's just strange I got the Handy past autumn and my TV in 21, normally stuff lives longer in our household
Meanwhile my PC monitor is doing it's job since 2011
what's a "handy" to you?
Oh sorry, mobile phone
I work mostly with all apps etc. from a phone my company set up for work
The tech giving up is just the tip but I don't want to be too whiny
I appreciate that 
well it's the week-end soon at least
which in my case means a bunch of chores before receiving my friend for a bbq, and my family for holidays next week
Are you off work next week?
I might take a couple days
Get in that family time.
I'll hear their screaming from my office, no worries
🤣
Stop telling lies about me
Is it? You post your jump GIF without consent. 
Wait, why do they scream
Hi, is there a way to report bugs or even contribute to the development with suggestions, as the game is early access?
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For bugs F1 in game
I am gaming on a tv with a controller (geforce now). I guess I can bind a key?
That I don't know about sorryh.
Use escape menu.
is anyone here following the treasure hunt?
and if so, do you think the riddles are too hard or too easy?
No sorry I haven't been. 🙁
I'm a bad bat
it's okay 
I'll watch them and let you know....I kind of didn't need a new look so I figured I'd come across it some day while playing the rest of the game.
😅
Just watched them and i'd say they're okay if you're in the middle of a game/the details are fresh in the mind (From my perspective, i remember there being a sharks tooth, but it's been that long i'm buggered if i remember specifically where it is :D) - I would say though, i think it would have been a much better treasure hunt to have the riddles before the items were added to the game... people had all the locations before the riddles even came out 😄
ALAS, MY GOOD FISH
we put it in and knew we were gonna keep it for later, when things would be quieter
we weren't accounting for how rabidly curious our players are
I mean, there are always the ones that read the game files and find stuff devs sneakily add in without telling people and cant help but spurt it to everyone 😄
what an image
I'm doing the riddles. In the scale of 'hardness', they aren't high up there but they are fun and playful and I'm enjoying it..
I've avoided spoilers of where they are so I can play along.
well that's what we're aiming for so I'm pleased with that
It's definitely a fun little inbetween things to do ^^
Yesterday I was like....I didn't know there was a dragon down here, lol.
if you see it from up close you don't necessarily realize what it is
Nope, I found neither. Like not even close with those clues -__-;;
oh damn
well if it helps there's a panoramic shot in the first video
and the set is hidden in the parts of the map you see
I've played it through and I found tents in the shroud, but apparently I went to the wrong ones...the dragon clue messed me up. Same with the first one, the shark fang completely threw me off -_-;;
exactly this.
the shark fang was a bad idea in hindsight
because if you've found it... it won't be out there anymore
theres a sharktooth near the dragon cave right?
Also, if you play with others, it'll be in missed quests and you would have never found it
theres tons of collectables i havent been bothered to look for.
what i want is info on the loot pools....>_>
i am one of those players that goes all over the map
Treasure hunt? 👀
See, it said dragon that can't fly and so I went to the dragon cave, but that didn't help me because the first two clues were in the shroud and the dragon cave was off to the side
The dragon cave is the initial thought but then if i'm thinking on the right lines, there's one other dragon, recently added.
for the other end of players, who arent doing the hunt, the reward is a very plain outfit.
;;>_>
The other dragon I can think of is the skeletons
They're the only ones available 😄
...in the mountains LOL
Nah, there's dragons outside the mountains 😉
I more meant, the skeletons are the only dragons available 😄
I haven't played fully through the remade kindlewastes yet. The people I usually play with are not playing right now, so I'm kind of poking at builds rather than playing those areas again.
Hey Toast. I hope you and the team have a great sunny friday.
Do you already got any news from valve what the issue was? 😅
It's still there. It respawns like other stuff does.
Also I apologize for pinging you. I don't usually 'reply' to devs directly so it doesn't ping you but I'm on my phone and my font size causes names not to display so I don't know right off it's a dev.
The CM's don't mind being tagged usually, as long as it's not every 5 minutes for nonsense 😄
Oh sweetie, I'm allllll nonsense.
Ok time to get the day started. Time to walk the parrot.
Am I the only one that would like a "Hold E to loot everything around you" type of thing?
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Oddly not very upvoted. https://enshrouded.featureupvote.com/suggestions/572913/loot-all-enemies-in-a-radius-at-once
Loot all enemies in a radius at once. - Enshrouded
I ment more like when you cut down trees and such
or when you kill a horde of critters
regular foes I don't mind
Destroying everything in a town. 😅
You could go make that suggestion specifically but it might get merged with the one I posted because they are kind of similar?
As we got a light ring: Maybe we could get a magnet one too for "looting the ground" without enemies or something like that. 🤔
https://enshrouded.featureupvote.com/suggestions/529616/auto-collect-basic-resources-and-loot-aoe-loot <- I think this is more what @strange field meant. 🤔
Upvote meee!


never 😛
That isn't an option heretic
Maybe I should have asked first what I'm upvoting. 🤔
something coin based i guess
"Coins as a decorational prop in single, stack and pile or terrain material in the colors of copper, silver and gold." 
I will just say, I give them here the option because I know they want to make it good.

see that i could get on board with 😄
I change my vote to 
more decoration is always good
True. But in regards to coins in general I see no sense unless we get vendors. 🤔
this is a democracy ? 😄
That is unfortunately an argument. 
vendors would be cool as well
Problem with vendors is.
The problem is: I don't really see a use for actual vendors at the moment to be honest. 🤔
I do like the current system where I've just to bring the materials and not have to deal with any additional currency.
They'd need to make an exchange system work and that I got confirmed is unlikely.
That's a system, also, that makes in the current state not really sense
Humanity / Humans are glad they still exist
Dev has a good imagination , guess we will see , i would like the villagers to have a use like , give them jobs like work here say , bar ect
But but I can see a use for coins.
They do this with me:
But that's not "using them at a vendor". That "swimming in them". Entirely different story. 😅
We can't yet place fabrics and leather and wool as decoration?
i would like to hang my team mates on the wall , sometimes
Not even with Builder's Companion
Most of that stuff is some kind of random loot thingy and isn't placeable at all
Placeable inventory items - Enshrouded
I commented fabric specifically but it hasn't been approved.
Maybe they could do it similar to the food with "holders". 🤔
somewhere I'm sure it is
Frog is too quiet
She croaked.
beaded fringe lamp progress
Cozy
this game feels like it is fizzling out? any news?
Not sure I'd say that. It's had regular updates since it launched 🤷♂️
As far as news we're expecting an announcement at GamesCom
lololol
"fizzling out" means... maybe... a biome is around the corner.
'playing a different game' but pops into an offical discord channel just to set off wee little bombs.
tiny little earthquakes
Sorry. 
also would someone PLEASE tell my parrot to stop asking for walks cause i took her on one already
not youuuu lol
who can deny a monarch anything!!!
let alone an excellent one
I did want to post a meme-picture agreeing.
But I couldn't find a proper one with monarch from Miraculous, so he'll have me excuse him.
it's ok. memes tend to go over my head
when the current season of your favorite show ends, does it mean 1 the show is fizzling out 2 they might be working on more 3 Netflix is about to cancel them because it's season 2 (secret third thing)
netflix didnt even give dark crystal a second season and im soooo sd about it
CUB has been mildly triggered.
Hello beautiful people. Info not know If we have Twisted Metal fans here but season 2 just started. 3 episodes are released so far.
I watched the first season and I liked it. Already watched the available episodes from season 2
Haven't watched it yet but I heard good things from my coworkers about the first season
How goes everyone's day of fries
working overtime on my halfday and remembering why i hate being in the blast shed so bleepif much
dang hoses are always caught up on stuff.
doing ok , as far as i am aware 😄
Having to work overtime on what was supposed to be a halfday is brutal lol
youd think so but actuall no.
first off. i have no life.
second off. overtime money.
third off. a couple years back i did 10 hour shifts and a lot of half day saturdays for over a year for a lot less an hour.
so 5 9s is nothing.
4 10s with wednesday off is the way.
