the-tavern

[supple valve]

Like use the grappling hook ON enemies?

[wise grail]

To bring them into melee range

[supple valve]

That'd be a cool feature

[dire kraken]

Neither does the opinion of single users. Statistics can somewhat tell you about the opinions of the playerbase at large. 🙂

[wise grail]

Yes, like Devil Bringer from DMC4/5

[supple valve]

I think it should be a perk

[frail raptor]

i say pick up a bow or wands

[sudden drum]

Sir, this is not Mortal Kombat. You are not Scorpion

[wise grail]

Or if you're going mage, you can do it like in Vergil

Nvm you already have ranged spells

[wise grail]

Would be cool if I could be

[supple valve]

More hairstyles would be cool though for character customization. Though the vanity system is exciting to witness.

Water is also exciting.

[wise grail]

What's a vanity system? Does it have something to do with purely customizing the appearance?

[supple valve]

Cuz I want to build a town with a water mill

[supple valve]

I'm gonna guess it's similar to MMO's with transmog/transmute systems. Where you can change clothes but keep the stats of the armor.

[wise grail]

I feel like water is going to wreck my FPS for the first few weeks at the least

[real marlin]

So, if say, dodging and blocking were weaker and parry was stronger that’d be more interesting. Or if say, melee weapons came with move sets that interact with the world in specific ways which also tied into a crafting system that allowed you to play with modifying them. Or as an example, the game presenting various scenarios where ranged combat was a detriment. Further, the ground up method, go the action bar route.

[wise grail]

I don't like it ;-;

[supple valve]

Why?

[wise grail]

It's good but it just removes something

[frail raptor]

which btw if anyone is having trouble with the bird dragon creatures in the desert, use Eternal Ice Bolt (the created one, not the quest reward)

[wise grail]

It is a worthwile addition to the game though

[real marlin]

To what end?

[wise grail]

It should be added, even though I don't like it

[supple valve]

It doesn't remove anything? Say you find some armor with awesome stats, but you love the look of a different armor that doesnt come in higher stats. You can change the look of the higher stat armor.

[dire kraken]

Heavily depends on the collected dataset

[real marlin]

Why?

[frail raptor]

the vanity system was on the roadmap

[supple valve]

Yes I know.

[real marlin]

I’m only okay with transmog if there are 100s of sets in the pool

[supple valve]

What's it matter if there's 100 or 20?

[wise grail]

I didn't mean that it removes anything tangible. I just value the connection between an item and its appearance, and a feature such as this will remove the connection.

[frail raptor]

then don't use it?

[astral hull]

I’m only ok with options but only if there’s 100s of options

[wise grail]

It's just me, I like the armor to look like what it's supposed to be, or it'll break the immersion

[sudden drum]

Because then it's more likely that there will be several "cool" sets/pieces and therefore 90% won't be running around with the same one.

[real marlin]

Because I’m persnickety?

[astral hull]

Yeah but some of the lower level armor looks so much better than the max level ones

[wise grail]

Fair

[supple valve]

That's fair, if you play online. If you're a solo player or just play with like 4-5 friends, I don't think it's a big deal.

[supple valve]

True, I like the more medivial dynastic type armors and leather or knight styled stuff

[real marlin]

Well I don’t need 5 nerds running around in the same thigh highs and hat

[astral hull]

Elder, paladin and eagle eye gear is too over the top for my taste

[frail raptor]

i think the vanity system will be nice, especially when there's a few sets that can only be picked up that look pretty nice, but have terrible stats

[supple valve]

Idk all my friends wear different sets of clothes and we all are happy with em. Nobody wears the same thing.

[wise grail]

I've used the vanity system in Hogwarts Legacy

It's really needed for a game like that, especially since the stats are random 🤢

[supple valve]

Yep, agreed. I am wearing it for its stats myself. The glowy power ranger type beat aint my thing

[real marlin]

A vanity system increases those odds

[alpine beacon]

Vanity has always been known as a good system

[frail raptor]

like Archer, Wizard and Guard of the North

[supple valve]

Again, this depends who you play with or if you play alone.

Cuz my friends and I already discussed what armors we'd want if a transmog system came in (before the announcement roadmap)

[frail raptor]

archer pants literally have NO stats on them >.>

[dire kraken]

Because different datasets will tell different stories when you analyse them. I don't even know why I have to explain that since it should be self explanatory.
You wouldnt expect the same result for a data analysis if you compare a dataset with movie reviews with a dataset that stores the technical details about those movies. You can later maybe draw corelations between those two datasets but the analysis of them would be vastly different from each other.
It's the same thing with user data. You can have a general user feedback dataset were you only consider the comments made about combat and it's quality and another one that shows you how many people play which class in the game and how long they stick with the class.
You will probably end up with two very different analysis from those two datasets that may even contradict themselves.

[real marlin]

Okay but that it might not doesn’t detract from the opposite

[wise grail]

As long as they keep making lovely looking armor

[alpine beacon]

https://tenor.com/view/schmidt-novel-text-message-text-message-gif-3544541

[supple valve]

I'm very confused by these statements. It just seems like you're being contrarian for the sake of it?

[wise grail]

I'm still going to use vanity to make the helmet disappear from the Warlock set

It removes the hair and it just makes it look weird to me

[frail raptor]

warlock set was meh

though i'd like for the lvl 23 mage set gloves to not have a glitching issue with male hands >.>

[real marlin]

Point is that the statement that it might not affect a person does not make the fact that it might any less true. "I could drown if I jump in that ocean!" "Maybe not"

[frail raptor]

makes it look like you some weird tattooing habit

[prisma frost]

what's the difference between Sharpshooter and Hunter armor set?

[real marlin]

Regen?

It's been a minute

[wise grail]

I feel like it's pretty much just there so that you can have two archers in your team without making it look like you're using a shadow clone

I sure hope they don't drop armor variety since we're getting vanity

Right now, the difference between each variant feels negligible

Or maybe I'm just not paying attention

They feel the same to me

[real marlin]

Well if you consider that Iron is usually a basic low end material it isn't unreasonable to assume that we still have a fair few armor tiers to go before end game

I suppose the loot system kinda throws a wrench in that maybe but it is nice to dream.

[wise grail]

I wasn't talking about tiers, but the variants of armor in each tier. Like right now, we have 2-3 sets of armor for each class at each tier.

[ocean anvil]

it's EA, stuff will change!

[frail raptor]

there are some nice armor pieces in the 30 areas

[real marlin]

Also expanded classes probably aren't off the table either

[wise grail]

I hope they don't reduce the number of variants from 2-3 as it is right now.

Also hoping that there's a noticable difference between the variants, especially for hunter

[real marlin]

Oh I see, that would be an interesting design choice for sure

[astral hull]

Doesn’t sharpshooter give bonus headshot damage? Or is that a different set I’m thinking of?

[frail raptor]

all i know is that everyone should have double jump and updraft at end game.... makes you feel like you can fly across the whole map

[real marlin]

I don't know, I've made 5 melee characters....

[real marlin]

OR, take neither and play with way god intended. Down in the mud with the rest of us filthy casuals

[astral hull]

The different armor sets are to compliment the skill trees. For example the warlock set plays well with Battlemage. Sage set works well with the healer tree and etc

[wise grail]

I feel like it would be better if we could just switch a whole build with the press of a button, instead of having to pick up every single skill point when trying to switch builds.

[hard thunder]

good morning all

[wise grail]

That way, people can easily switch between power and mobility when they're trying to explore/fight.

[elder parrot]

Good afternoon ^^

[wise grail]

Though double jump could still benefit berserker

Barbarian*

[wise grail]

no u

[real marlin]

Nah, respec should get progressively more expensive to the point you have to farm for hours for one

[frail raptor]

that doesn't sound too bad but both of those abilities are good in combat as well if you know how to use them

[astral hull]

With how many skill points you get you can get both power and mobility already

Pretty easily too

[frail raptor]

that too

[tame seal]

Why not just give people access to everything all at once in that case then?

[elder parrot]

They will need to expand skillboard cus can kinda make a full build and a lil more already at level 25

[wise grail]

Updraft is useless for combat as it stands

[real marlin]

Obviously we need the ability to drop grenades while gliding.

[frail raptor]

try soloing lvl 30 areas without an escape plan and tell me that when you get a suddon boss aggro on you

[wise grail]

That's not what I meant, I meant something like being able to change loadouts when at the shrine.

[real marlin]

Still kind a point though. If it were that easy to have everything then why be arbitrary about it?

[frail raptor]

find nearest small elevation increase and triple shot that spacebar!!

see how far you can make it

[tame seal]

That still doesn't make a difference, when you can just drop a shrine anywhere.

[frail raptor]

though i've found a few places you can't drop a shrine

[tame seal]

Shroud or Lore specific areas, yea.

[frail raptor]

yep

[wise grail]

Right now, you have to redo the entire skill tree to make changes. It's needlessly tedious when compared to the possibility of being able to save different builds and being able to switch to them instead of clicking on everything all over again.

The result would be the same, just less tedious

[frail raptor]

tried it at the pike and failed

though i just went on top of the hill to the east of it and could drop one there

[wise grail]

Not making a difference is the point, it's just a quality of life thing

[tame seal]

My point still stands, you want to take away the 'needlessly tedious' part, which basically means you might as well just give the player every skill going.

[real marlin]

Or, they could make changing your skills a very time expensive prospect. So it is there if you really want to do it but are disincentivized from doing it willy nilly there by removing the tedium of constantly rebuying skills.

[wise grail]

You'd still have to place a shrine, which you can't do in the shroud.

[astral hull]

Sounds like dual spec from WoW. Maybe at an increased cost it could be fair. Right now it’s pretty much free to reskill. It needs a negative so players feel like they’re making important choices.

[real marlin]

For now though, that is such a nothing issue

[frail raptor]

essentially is

[astral hull]

As of now the easiest solution to this is having an alt. I have a resource gathering/stam ranger and a healer/battlemage

Much easier to switch characters than to respec

[tame seal]

That's still not a particuarly limiting factor. Honestly, there's no real limiting factor to changing spec as it is, just the 'tediousness' of having to place skills again. I get what you mean. I'd personally say yes to your idea, but whenever you change spec you lose half your skills points and have to 'level' to get them back or something.

[wise grail]

It just depends on the direction devs want it to go. Right now, it's pretty cheap to be able to switch skills, so I imagine that they want it to be accessible, rather than "stick to your builds", especially considering that there are solo players.

[frail raptor]

i mean it's pretty easy to respec, but just taking a few points in the middle circle can make you a crazy good gatherer

[elder parrot]

• Firstly, the skillboard will probably get an expansion - since we can max a full build plus more already at half level (25) plus available shroud root.

[wise grail]

Easy, yes. Time consuming? Yes. From my perspective, we won't lose anything if we just cut down on that time consumption.

At least in its current state

[tame seal]

It's a walk in the park to respec, there's no penalty, no real change... Perhaps it'd be a better idea to limit the ability to use weapons or such without certain skills in the skill tree?

[real marlin]

How time consuming is it? 15 seconds? 20?

[elder parrot]

• Skillboard will need to get expanded/reworked for level 50 and alot more shrpud root that full map will give first.

[frail raptor]

Time consumed completing a project makes the completion of the project that much more worth while. things achieved with ease feel empty

[real marlin]

Or they could do SUPER ROOTS and put "Exalted" classes in the game dundundun

[wise grail]

Respeccing isn't a project at this point in time. It's just repetitive.

Maybe once the skill tree is more fleshed out, it'd feel more rewarding to stick to a single build

[elder parrot]

Things need to take time/have a challenge to be worth it.
And not just light toggles that makes skills feel trivial

[real marlin]

I mean, everything sort of is at the moment. The entire ea end game is grinding loot boxes

[frail raptor]

this

[elder parrot]

It is already rewarding, my str and stamina melee char is already awesome, even has some jump and movement skills ontop of it

[real marlin]

Oh that depends on the person.

[elder parrot]

Not really hurting for skill-spendage imo

Half-level already

[wise grail]

Right now, it doesn't feel worth it to me. But that should change when they flesh out the skill tree.

[elder parrot]

They will probably rebalanxe it all by then

So, its a topic for when we know where its going or something i feel

[frail raptor]

now i wanna make a phys ranged character to test out the skill tree

[real marlin]

You know what that is a great point. Toast! What the hell is this game suppose to be?!?!?!

[elder parrot]

A looter shooter with mtx ^^

Jk

[wise grail]

I still feel like it would be a good idea to be able to toggle the builds one way or another. Maybe make it more costly, as someone mentioned.

[real marlin]

Dang, hoodwinked again!

[wise grail]

Maybe a special piece of furniture in the mid game we can place at home.

[hearty pond]

then stop winking under the hood!

[astral hull]

Cost to respec should go up with every respec imo

[elder parrot]

I feel for games where you invest in ypur character build, dont like those that jist gives you premade 'loudouts', takes away from the satisfaction

[neon path]

Why throw a rock on a calm river. :l

[hearty pond]

to see how far it goes

[astral hull]

To see the ripples

[wise grail]

You'd still have the satisfaction of grinding and making them yourself. The respec process just gets easier.

[viral sky]

Because I hate rocks and calm waters

[hearty pond]

wheel, you have caused this ripple effect

[wise grail]

But if you're against respeccing, then I understand that too.

[real marlin]

Because I brought a kayak and not a canoe?

[astral hull]

Great this is wonderful

[elder parrot]

It could tho, i dont see the fun in 'i have all the builds now' makes it a bit pointless to plan a build.

Cost going up each time is an idea, and probably intended

[neon path]

Canoe is a nice boat smh

[elder parrot]

The 10 rune cost is an oversight atm i am sure

[neon path]

Runes aren't easy to come by though if you aren't farming chests.

[elder parrot]

A game with a skill system where you manually build your chars, are made to suit player that like games with skillsystems and where you build your chars.

[real marlin]

Could be the purpose is to have it be cheap to encourage people to play with the tree during ea

[frail raptor]

how are you not farming chests?

[elder parrot]

I dont open the same chests twice, i still have 100s of weapons to scrap for runes

[real marlin]

That is incorrect. Every character I have has 1000s and I've never gone out of my way to farm loot boxes

[elder parrot]

So no, no farming exploits needed

[wise grail]

I understand that. To me, it really depends on what kind of game we're talking about. Some games are just better when you can switch them on the fly, and I feel like that's the case for this game in its current state. But I really hope that sticking to a skill tree feels rewarding enough in the future.

[elder parrot]

Theres alot out there on the map withput beong boring and 'farm the same chest' on and on

[neon path]

Guess im doing something wrong then. 🤔

[glass shore]

hi guys

[astral hull]

I had thousands of runes by level 16-18

[glass shore]

im new here

[wise grail]

I don't feel like it's an oversight. The devs probably want us to freely experiment with what we have while it's still early access.

[glass shore]

everyone koop?

[elder parrot]

Hello and welcome StuntmanMike ^^

[wise grail]

Though I agree that they should increase the cost for respeccing in the future.

[elder parrot]

I am solo

[glass shore]

hi ellis

im lvl 10 i think

[wise grail]

Being able to invest in a build and stick to it sounds appealing to me, but only if the game is able to harbor it. Right now, it pretty much feels like a looter shooter.

[prisma frost]

@glass shore welcome! You should also check out #1195389948069675009

[real marlin]

Oh who won the build contest?

Please tell me the forest build won

[subtle prawn]

Maeli won

[cold violet]

It’s impossible to be strictly melee through most of the game I found. Couple enemies can’t be hit from the ground lol

[wise grail]

If the game is intended to be played in a group where players rely on each other having different builds, I feel like not being able to switch between loadouts according to the situation will be unfair to solo players.

[elder parrot]

I play solo

[real marlin]

What makes you say that?

[elder parrot]

I dont feel its unfair, i dont need to respec.

[sudden drum]

Why

[elder parrot]

I can

[wise grail]

They'd have to be jack of all trades but master of none.

But that really depends on the direction of the game

Maybe specialization won't be necessary

[elder parrot]

No i can be focused on melee as i am, i could do just fine?

[wise grail]

I'm saying it because I've played other early access games where specialization is very necessary

[elder parrot]

I dont need to be a jack of all trades ^^

[glass shore]

@elder parrot would u play togehther?

[wise grail]

What if they add a flying boss in the future?

[wise grail]

It is quite subjective

[real marlin]

At the moment a full melee build can still shoot a bow or wand well enough to deal with anything that needs dealing with.

[safe swan]

I also play solo. I'm an archer/part-time melee and not having much issues.

[wise grail]

Hoping it'll be the same case in the future

[elder parrot]

Ive aleady done all the content are full level and will wait until more content is released, sorry 🌻

[wise grail]

No one should be stuck not being able to experience certain parts of the game just because they messed up their build

[elder parrot]

Yeah using a bow is fine on my full melee bow

[wise grail]

Or because they picked a different specialization

[elder parrot]

I dont feel locked out

[glass shore]

im lvl 10 ca

[elder parrot]

I choose to fight melee, i could do all in the game, not locked out cus of build.

[wise grail]

I'm glad it works, I'm just not that good at the game and everything feels hard unless I respec for the situation on the spot

Maybe it's just placebo

[elder parrot]

Might get used to it i dunno, hope u find ur pace!

[glass shore]

send me pn too work together

[wise grail]

Pretty much relying on switching builds to make the game feel comfortable right now.

It works well for the immersion too.

[real marlin]

You will have more luck in LFG brother

[wise grail]

If the world doesn't have any permanence, it makes sense to not have my skill tree permanent.

That's just my preference

Enshrouded isn't the kind of game just yet where the satisfaction of finishing a build will outweigh the regret of picking the wrong thing

But that's just me, maybe I'm needlessly hard on myself

[pliant quarry]

I think the logic behind the lack of skill tree permanence was to encourage more experimentation/creativity and not have players be super worried about min-maxing, following guides, etc. We weren't really going for a super hardcore style of game

[astral hull]

I’d like if we could pile our runes for gold vaults and treasure rooms if we don’t have much use for them.

[tepid vale]

i always thought lfg meant looking for gamers lol

[wise grail]

That's what I felt like. If that's the direction you're going in, I think that being able to make skill profiles and switch between them without having to redo the entire skill tree would be great.

[wise grail]

Task failed successfully

[real marlin]

Disappointing for me but glad we got that cleared up! Build tabs would probably be a decent addition then

[quiet geyser]

Will there be fishing in Enshrouded and more in depth hunting? @pliant quarry Or did I miss that on the roadmap Skinning etc leather working

[wise grail]

In my experience, an unsatisfying casual skill tree is much better to have than a poorly made hardcore skill tree.

[real marlin]

Wait, what about a more run of the mill hardcore game?

[wise grail]

Having Icarus flashbacks....

[real marlin]

Lets see if water implodes the engine first!

[quiet geyser]

?

Oh yeah there isnt any water in the game

[wise grail]

I'm scared of water. I'm pretty sure it's gonna mess up FPS.

[wise grail]

It's gonna. But but but..... FISHING!

Is it in the roadmap?

[quiet geyser]

Maybe they can do like "Water holes" in ice biomes where its just a crack in ice

[wise grail]

Would be nice to have it sometime, make the water more useful

[real marlin]

Well, not running around all
loosey goosey anyhow

[quiet geyser]

Loosey goosey?

[real marlin]

willy nilly?

[wise grail]

Also boats...

[real marlin]

silly willy?

[quiet geyser]

Ok whatever man

[real marlin]

In a not contained or predefined system? Sort of like, the water wells and skins?

[quiet geyser]

? Just google fishing hole, thats what I mean.

[hearty pond]

puts the lotion on the skin

[astral hull]

Love fishing in games ngl. It’s a nice break

[astral hull]

gets the hose again

[wise grail]

You were trying to point out how water already exists as a niche in the game, but the dude felt like you were making fun of him I guess

Comms issue

[real marlin]

I don't know. I'm not usually one to casually mock people but it is certainly possible.

[quiet geyser]

Well it has to have a system like being able to extract fishing oil from fish that keeps you warm or lights a lantern or gives you a warmth boost overall or be able to make something with it just purely fishing as a filler is not my thing personally.

[wise grail]

Fishing for food?

[hearty pond]

look man! if you want water in the game, just start peeing in bottles

[astral hull]

Yeah maybe new recipes with fish

[sudden drum]

I would love it if Darkfine made fun of me one day

[wise grail]

We could have different sets of buffs from land animals, and different buffs from sea creatures

[quiet geyser]

Yeah but we already have systems in place for that so there has to be a why fish instead of the 50 other things.

[astral hull]

Fish scale building block lol

[wise grail]

Right now, the meat is just same buff which gets bigger with the next tier

[quiet geyser]

Exactly or for armor.

[trim marten]

coral...

[wise grail]

Make it reduce comfort

[real marlin]

hm, Your father smelled of elderberries? Best I can do on short notice.

[hearty pond]

just give the game time, it will eventually get to a stage were most will be happy

[wise grail]

Doesn't mean we can't have fun speculating

[real marlin]

That is a big ol maybe buddy

[hearty pond]

only death and taxes are certain in life

[real marlin]

And heat death

[trim marten]

neither...I'm immortal!

[sudden drum]

So he is clean now? Or do you assume he's dead?

[real marlin]

Pretty sure Vampires have to pay taxes still

If it took down Capone it'll take down Dracula

[hearty pond]

count is an immortal online* we will name a game after him, mortal online*

[trim marten]

no no, I don't want people's polluted blood....immortal, not undead!

[real marlin]

Vampires can famously filter blood. Not sure what you are on about!

[real marlin]

See, I said short notice. I do not need you going around poking holes in my from the hip jabs thank you very much.

[hearty pond]

i don't ;like vampires, i prefer empires

[trim marten]

yeah...bloodsuckers! garlic doesn't work btw!

[real marlin]

It does on pizza

[trim marten]

and now we can get 'garlic paste'...I love this multiverse!

[real marlin]

Me too

[trim marten]

Mandela Effect Beer! one sip and you're in a different reality! New from Porcocorp!

[real marlin]

That sounds dangerous. How does the beverage break the rules?

[trim marten]

its the 'secret' ingredient....some nano kinetic pseudo particle thingy

[hearty pond]

bev did not rage though

[real marlin]

Oh that works then

[trim marten]

I get a lot of information and tech from alien friends so...

[real marlin]

Suppose it also has some self-correcting property that prevents the reality from changing to one where nano kinetic pseudo particle thingies don't exist

[trim marten]

yeah, so that it doesn't break the brain when you see flying pigs

[quiet geyser]

What would you guys like to see in terms of pets and farming animals?

[real marlin]

Sheep for thread and pigs for bacon

[trim marten]

I find the multi-dimensional beverages work best when on a vegetarian diet but hey.....not preachin here!

[real marlin]

I find bacon works best when I eat it

[quiet geyser]

Sheep would be a nice addition if we get a winter area to make thread and wool for warmer clothing yeah

[trim marten]

i do miss bacon!

[hearty pond]

count says that as he's eating steak

[wise grail]

I still want a land mount.

[real marlin]

I don't miss bacon at all!

[quiet geyser]

What kind of mount would you like to see?

[tawny sphinx]

Hey Folks, I'm new here and to the game (~15hours), and I have a question.

My deaf wife and I play this game together (currently individual games, but at the same time). She plays with her sound off, and repeated died in the Rookmore camp, and couldn't figure out why causing a bit of frustration.

This morning, I died in the same area, but was able to catch an audio cue of the explosive boobytraps. After a quick search of the feature request site, I can't find anything on Closed Caption or Deaf Accessibility to provide visual indication of in game events.

My question is: Is there a way to make the devs aware of this need?

[hearty pond]

he wants a goat

[real marlin]

Pretty sure we are getting Shroud powered flight to land mounts will be a little irrelevant

[quiet geyser]

It'll be fun though.

I.m.o

[wise grail]

Hmm... riding boars would be nice. They could also provide support in combat. We don't need horses since we already have winds.

Wings*

[real marlin]

I think that has been brought up before but I'd watch the feature site and see if it s on there. If not post it and I'll nag Discord daily for upvotes!

[quiet geyser]

Ah yeah so mounts that also support you in ways or can carry items.

[tawny sphinx]

I went to the feature site first, but new requests are currently disabled.

[wise grail]

Yes, boar with an inventory!

[real marlin]

Did you search for it? Might be on there already? Also they are opening it again soonish

[quiet geyser]

And decorate the pets with trophies or such, hats just for the giggle

[sudden drum]

I want to romance my NPCs.
Not even on the roadmap. Such a shame.

[hearty pond]

lol

[real marlin]

Enshrouded Dating Sim has been talked about, I think there is a will for it!

[hearty pond]

o goat no

[wise grail]

Maybe a training session with the wizard to teach you how to handle a wand

[quiet geyser]

I feel like the game really knows what it wants to be, things such as weapon sheating or sitting, pets, npcs, I dont feel like those affect the core identity. I like the game even though Youtubers seem to hate the shrouded areas I think its very nice

[real marlin]

If modding ever opens I'm sure you'll be able to construct all sort of things with the carpenter should you choose.

[wise grail]

Alchemist*

[hearty pond]

it would be a mix of sims online and stardew valley

[tawny sphinx]

I searched for several key works, Closed Captioning, Accessibility, Deaf Accessibility, Visual indicators.. etc. Which is why I come here.

[wise grail]

You may be able to request a modder to make a mod for you if the devs are unreachable.

[real marlin]

That is fair! Like I said, they mentioned opening the site to new stuff again shortly. I'm more than willing to bug people till they block me to get it upvoted

[hearty pond]

alrighty, time to give zedzone a go, bought this game so long ago and never properly played it

[tawny sphinx]

I'll keep an eye on the feedback site being open to new requests. I appreciate the help.

[astral hull]

Not to dismiss your concern however there is a visual indication of the booby trap. When you trigger it, a red/orange ring appears on the ground where it will explode

[tawny sphinx]

Really? I must've missed it. Thanks for that. I'll pass it along.

[astral hull]

Yep. Same when the bombing enemies shoot bombs at you

[wise grail]

Yes, but I feel like it's only intended to show you the range of the explosion once you notice the bomb through the sound.

It's too subtle to rely on visually unless you're on constant alert.

I agree that there should definitely be a closed caption for it.

[astral hull]

It was pretty noticiable to me when I first saw it. But I also played a lot of wow so I know not to stand on the bad stuff and to look at my positioning. I agree that we need more options for people with disabilities tho.

[wise grail]

It would be great to change the indicator color to green or something. It'll make it more noticeable. I can imagine a colorblind person having difficulty since the indicator blends in with the brown dirt.

[astral hull]

Yeah I think colorblind options are something that’s been requested quite a bit too

[wise grail]

Or maybe the point is to make the bomb as subtle as possible...

Then closed captions will do.

If everyone could see the bomb without difficultly, it wouldn't be a threat.

[analog quartz]

Love the roadmap but I am very disappointed that I dont see combat improvements listed. The combat in Enshrouded is one of its weakest features. ❤️ 😦

[wise grail]

However, an audio cue paired with closed captions is a nice balance.

[tawny sphinx]

My wife said something similar by saying if the closed caption or visual indicator was too prominent that it could provided unfair advantage.

[wise grail]

I think a closed caption is completely fair for a game like Enshrouded, even with a direction indicator.

Players aren't expected to hone their listening skills like in competitive FPS'.

Enshrouded wants to be a no sweat game as far as I can see.

[astral hull]

It’s gotta have a balance of some sort. Hopefully they add a difficulty option.

One of the biggest complaints is that the game is too easy. It’s also one of the things people really like about it.

[elder parrot]

We only know how hard the first lil 30% is tho

[amber mirage]

damn, this roadmap sucks hard

[elder parrot]

No

It doesnt ^^

[amber mirage]

it does, its not even roadmap

[elder parrot]

There is no established rules for roadmaps

[real marlin]

It doesn't though, if the devs want a more casual experience that is what it'll be. Also more hps/harder hits doesn't make the game more difficult to some people. No good answers unfortunately

[wise grail]

From what Toast said earlier, I get the feeling that Enshrouded wants to be accessible.

[amber mirage]

they just collected some obvious things to do and best community ideas and put together

[native parrot]

It's almost like people have different preferences and criticism should be met with customer first hand research to form their own opinions or something.

[elder parrot]

It worse to pretend you can know it takes x amount of time to code y and then it not holding imo

[real marlin]

Do tell, what is the map missing that'd make it good for you?

[amber mirage]

they should put the ideas on a timeline and priority list, so we would know what thins we should expect to implement in which order

[elder parrot]

Unobvious thing; ar15s and ufos ^^

[elder parrot]

Thats worse

Thats pretending to be clairvoyant

[wise grail]

Agreed, you can't really afford to overpromise unless you're AAA

[real marlin]

That isn't happening, why put yourself under that sort of pressure if you don't have a board to answer to?

[native parrot]

It doesn't matter when or in what order they impliment it.
They said what they want to get done by year end and what they want to add after.

I can appreciate it.

[elder parrot]

AAA puts 'timelines' they cant meet, all the time

[wise grail]

A general idea of priority is good, but setting out release dates is not.

It'll only result in disappointed fans or rushed content.

[amber mirage]

i was talking about priority not about dates

[elder parrot]

Timelines are guesswork and doesnt hold

[astral hull]

Yep! Which is why my opinion is that the game is too easy based on my experience

[native parrot]

"The last thing we want is a whole Lotta attention and a whole lot of aimless criticism." - Paraphrased CUB

[real marlin]

Why do priorities matter if it is all going to get done? It isn't like they have a deadline to beat.

[wise grail]

That's what I meant by 'overpromising'. AAA people can put out an unfinished game and get away with it.

[native parrot]

Oh yea, game is easy. But difficulty isn't a priority XD

[wise grail]

Indie games can't do that.

[elder parrot]

That will just make chaos erryone feels thing x is a priority over y or z

[ocean anvil]

Sometimes EA is made easy to check and see if stuff is working, therefore changes can be made with more feed back than internal testing.

[elder parrot]

Yeah

Things pop up and becomes more important right then

[wise grail]

I'm glad that Keen is doing Early Access properly

[amber mirage]

well if they annouce roadmap, i expect something more then just things i already saw or read they will do on discord

its already been said multiple times on discord

[elder parrot]

Thats ur expectation, its not optimal tho

[amber mirage]

nothing new

90% of this roadmap content was already on the table

[wise grail]

Not all players use Discord, and a roadmap is a good compilation of info to post on stuff like Steam page.

[elder parrot]

Its sensible things, more biome, rest of map, more dungeons.. what is it u need in print?

[ocean anvil]

@amber mirage would you prefer no roadmap and not knowing what the devs are looking at?

[elder parrot]

Ive seen many roadmaps, this is one of the better imo

[wise grail]

This one actually feels achievable

[amber mirage]

no, its better then nothing, but i expected something more

[wise grail]

Setting reasonable expectations is a really good thing

[ocean anvil]

lol, life is full of disapointments and that's on you!

[elder parrot]

It will all come good ^^

[amber mirage]

setting these things on a timeline with this year with +/- months isnt something impossible to do

no one would expect exact days of updates

[elder parrot]

You said you did not want that before

[tame seal]

Bit of a silly thing to do though.

[amber mirage]

timeline =/= exact dates

[tribal swan]

as someone who hasnt been active on the subreddit, I appreciate the roadmap, water is INSANE!

[elder parrot]

They cant know how a thing will be to make before they start making it

Guessing doesnt make it better imo

[viral scarab]

Especially when you remember that they're building the engine.

[tame seal]

They have said they expect about a year from EA release, they now have a bunch of things they want to add. That's a decent timeline if you ask me.

[amber mirage]

its just a roadmap and u defend it like a family from a robbery XD

[wise grail]

It's just a roadmap so why complain?

[amber mirage]

they public it, so i can

[viral scarab]

I mean, it's not like roadmaps with definite timelines are ever really accurate anyway

[elder parrot]

Its just a roadmap and you attack it as xyz tho ^^ its just like, chill

[spring forum]

No timeline on the roadmap lol what

[amber mirage]

they ask about feedback so i do it

[wise grail]

And we can defend it, no need to make it sound like we're overreacting

[spring forum]

that's not a roadmap at all

[tame seal]

I can so i do, that is all the xplanation needed 😄

[elder parrot]

There is no reason to mistrust, theyve a solid track record so far

[wise grail]

Did they make Space Engineers?

[astral hull]

Y’all should look at Palworlds roadmap 😂😂😂

[wise grail]

I haven't checked properly

[astral hull]

That’s the real joke

[viral scarab]

No, they made Portal Knights

[amber mirage]

palworld imo is kinda awful but whatever xD

[elder parrot]

They made portal knights, not space engineers

[amber mirage]

i dont understand comparision to pokemons either, there was already something like pals

and it was called DIGIMONS

[wise grail]

Nostalgic

[tame seal]

You don't need to understand it.

[viral scarab]

Keen Games vs Keen Software House, easy mistake to make

[tribal swan]

i guess you could say, they werent very KEEN in their naming abilities. LOL XD HAHAH

ill let myself out.

[wise grail]

Ehehehehehehehe 😝

[astral hull]

I was into Pokémon and digimon but yugioh is what I really got into

[viral scarab]

https://tenor.com/view/dancing-cowboy-finger-gun-pointing-moves-gif-17170914

[wise grail]

Let meee do it for yuuu
pulls out Aerondight

[pliant quarry]

Yeah I actually talked to a CM from Keen software house lol, neither studio even knew the other existed until like 10 years after we chose our respective names

[ocean anvil]

Now a days, always need to check for titles and names. Something i learned in Game designer college.

[civic kindle]

Hey does anyone know If and when they may add a in-game chat function?

[hard thunder]

hey just wondering is there autoloot

[lament root]

Savan. Please, tell me what's the max level of Comfort for now ?

[quiet geyser]

So by not stating a "direct release time" for each content coming it doesn't fall in line of being a "roadmap"? LOL

[amber mirage]

i have expected something more, but after second look its not that bad roadmap

a lot of things are said to be done in next "few" patches

so we have some time stamped objectives

[signal cobalt]

I hope everyone understands that coding is difficult, and implenting new features may take time (bugs, fixes, and patching).

[quiet geyser]

By not giving us an exact date/time is a very smart move

[amber mirage]

its not smart move, its obvious move XD

everyone would do it

and everyone understand that

[quiet geyser]

Not everyone. Look at valheim and that roadmap when the game released..

[amber mirage]

lets consider each other as humans and not bonobo ok 😉

[wise grail]

Only made obvious because of blunders such as No Man's Sky and Cyberpunk.

[ancient epoch]

roadmaps with exact time frames will most likely just lead to rushed updates.

[wise grail]

Or disappointed fans when they get delayed.

Better be safe than sorry in this case

[quiet geyser]

Exactly

[amber mirage]

kinda true

[quiet geyser]

By giving a date and if they don't meet that date they will just have a bunch of pissed off players lol better to give a "general idea"

[ancient epoch]

so everyone loses. i don't see how that is supposed to be better than the roadmap we got

[quiet geyser]

How is it a lost Exactly?

[wise grail]

I miss Styx Master of Shadows

[elder parrot]

@Boba Giving dates he meant

[quiet geyser]

Ah

[lament root]

why do you think NMS is a blunder?

[elder parrot]

It was at first

But it shaped up after

[amber mirage]

lolz you clearly dont understand what i meant when i talked about dates or time stamps @elder parrot

[wise grail]

The launch, I mean. Were they not backed by Sony, the game would've died at launch.

[amber mirage]

but now whatever

[elder parrot]

: s, you didnt read the fully detailed elaboration if that is your take - but i think we are over this now ^^

[ancient epoch]

yeah giving dates would accomplish nothing imo.
better to have a general idea than exact dates that will be missed due to some troubles or rushed to hit the date

[long nacelle]

alr chat, is it worth getting enshrouded, what are some ups and downs with the game currently?

[lament root]

Ah. I see. I was playing it for few months last year, but sadly NMS is not exactly suitable for co-op playing. Co-op connection is unstable, all the missions are made for single player. Playing solo is pretty boring... at least for me.

[tame seal]

Only you can gauge if it's worth it.

[lament root]

Yes. Get it now. Fascinating game.

[wise grail]

Unfortunatly you need more than 2 hours to make a fair observation

[long nacelle]

ye ig, but its nice to know what the community thinks overall

[wise grail]

Bye bye refund window

[tame seal]

There's plenty on youtube.

[sudden drum]

Sold over two million copies.

[hexed ruin]

Haven't found many downs. About to hit 200 hours and enjoyed every moment - even if I have sworn a lot (mostly at my own incompetence).

[elder parrot]

Like botw, conan exiles, building and exploring? ^^ then i recommend

[tame seal]

A community discord for the game in question will always be biased.

[elder parrot]

True ^^

[wide laurel]

this is gonna prob sound stupid af but... if i already own the game, will i get some sort of a discount if i was to buy it for a friend ?

[sudden drum]

@long nacelle go to the Valheim Discord and ask them

[wise grail]

Easy to get spoiled...

[tame seal]

No, not unless it's on a sale, like it currently is.

[hexed ruin]

If you buy it now you get 10% off in the sale, but not because you have previously bought it

[long nacelle]

i was in it for awhile until it got hacked/raided 💀

[wise grail]

No

[wide laurel]

ah ok thanks guys

[wise grail]

Unless they add a friend pack or something

I remember buying some game, and it added a gift in my Steam inventory

Bombernauts I think

Enshrouded doesn't do that

[wide laurel]

i think thats deprecated feature idk

[sudden drum]

It's currently on Steam sale anyway

[wide laurel]

not to be greedy mut it isnt that much off : D

but yeah i know

[elder parrot]

Its a low price for solid AA tho already

[sudden drum]

What did you expect for a potential "friend discount"? 50% lul

[wide laurel]

yeah the issue is me and friend are poor xD

[tame seal]

Are you implying the games not worth the price?

[wide laurel]

lol i never said anything like that

[elder parrot]

Wait a while then ^^

[wide laurel]

ofc not

[elder parrot]

No need to rush ^^

(Dont mind toxicraven, he attacks most new players like that)

[wise grail]

SteelRaven?

[elder parrot]

Yeah

[somber egret]

Imgnacry! I am sending my Laptop in for repairs and will be w/o a system for probably weeks!

[wise grail]

Oki

[tame seal]

It's unlikely to be on a huge discount of any kind before full release.

[elder parrot]

True too

[glacial echo]

does shockwave not work or am i doing something wrong?

[wise grail]

My friend plays this game on GeForce Experience

[sudden drum]

You mean NOW

[wise grail]

I think so

Cloud gaming thing

[elder parrot]

But like theres alot of content for first ea and as much as some 60$ full price games already,
It wouldnt be fair to have it much lower imo

[tame seal]

Lets be honest, there's one questionable AAA title that's currently 40% off and still double the price of this 😄

[lament root]

Oh , Enshrouded full price is $60. Not bad...

[analog basin]

There are many games outside, that are so bad and overpriced. Why should Enshrouded not become a normal priced game?

[dawn cypress]

Hello all, what are best Settings for RTX 4090? Any ideas? Thanks 🙂

[wise grail]

Max

[wide laurel]

this feels like a joke ngl.

But if you have that kind of gpu you can pretty much crank everything up

[dawn cypress]

That is No Joke...but i have little lag issues on any Settings.. thats why im asking 🙈

[wide laurel]

the game is still in early access and it has some performance issuess, but i believe it will get fixed and stuff

the game feels weird if its being rendered over 60fps (for me at least)

[quiet geyser]

I hope they fix the issues with altars overlap causing crashing, freezing lag issues etc

[dawn cypress]

Thanks..i read the Road map and there will be Performance fixes 🥰

[glacial echo]

has anyone tried the shockwave skill? i cant get it to work

[tame seal]

They have got performance improvements on the roadmap!

[wide laurel]

https://youtu.be/y0aX8mM6Ndo?si=rxoEHPPbRWJh6ugu
This helped me

[elder parrot]

No? ^^ its less then 60 by alot, which is the point

[quiet geyser]

It's 30$ lol

And there's a spring sale coming up 👀

[elder parrot]

Yeah ^^

[tame seal]

Spring sale is active.

[lament root]

I have received the game as a gift for my birthday, so I had no idea about its price at all.

[elder parrot]

Ah oki ^^

[wise grail]

Lucky

[dawn cypress]

Thanks! I will try 🙂

[elder parrot]

I am glad all the HUGE controversial drama around what the "price of enshrouded EA will be, hooow can they hide it? its cus its gonna be sooo expensive" are over :p

[elder parrot]

I have scars from that ^^

[spare basin]

I have wasted a lot more money on a lot of less enjoyable games. Not saying raise the price Devs!! But still, I totally pushed the current sale onto my family Discord and hope more than the current 5 players will join the game!

[lament root]

Yes, it was an excellent gift.

[wise grail]

At least it costs less than the full release

[elder parrot]

The drama was super silly is the point; and then ea price was revelealed and all the air went out of the conpiracy nuts ^^

[dawn cypress]

This Game is so amazing and give me Gothic vibes ..cant say why 🙈😅

[wise grail]

That classic RPG game?

[dawn cypress]

Yeah 😅 i think it is the "age" of this Setting from Game 🙈

[sudden drum]

Wasn't Will who bought you that, was it?

[spring forum]

um, yes? lol. they half-assed the "roadmap"

[lament root]

In a way yes.

[lament root]

It reminds me of Conan a bit. But it looks better than Conan.

[quiet geyser]

😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂💀

[dawn cypress]

Oh yeah..thats it! 💪😅

[elder parrot]

Conan o'brien?

[real marlin]

Conan the Barber

[elder parrot]

barber? I barely know her

[real marlin]

That isn't a problem

[elder parrot]

🔥

[noble anchor]

They didn't want to give specific dates or priorities on the roadmap because if you do that people take those dates as promises and guarantees, which is unrealistic. Many devs who do give out timeframes like that often find they're being criticized if they can't make a certain date and people will start going all conspiracy theory if the date starts to approach and things aren't being said about them. The roadmap is also based on suggestions from the community and they have to consider each item in how long it will take to implement, some may turn out to be easier than others. This format gives them the opportunity to pivot to an easier feature to finish if something they're working on turns out to be too problematic, meaning they can keep a better cadence of actually putting out things instead of delaying to bang their head against something that isn't working.

[astral hull]

Look at arks timeline and roadmap 😂😂😂

[pastel shadow]

Oy vey. 😫

[astral hull]

Delayed constantly and everyone is just mad in there

[noble anchor]

Their roadmap is full of potholes.

[pastel shadow]

I love ARK. Very fun and satisfying. The community’s attitudes about the roadmap and deadlines though… Enshrouded team is being very wise.

[elder parrot]

My biggest issue with the roadmap, is theres no focus on the combat experience.

Combat is a big part of the game, but NO mentions on it

They cant wait til 2025 to do soemthing with that

[real marlin]

Apprentely it might not be as it happens

[spring forum]

Combat is really fun, what do you mean?

[pastel shadow]

New enemies and bosses? New dungeons? Instanced dungeons?

[elder parrot]

@pastel shadow Sorry I phrased myself poorly

[viral scarab]

This is the only thing I'd also like to see, but I imagine there will be improvements as other things get implemented.

[spring forum]

I don't play the game anymore because i cleared everything and got every item / every location discovered 😦 but I really enjoyed the combat. I just want the next biome to come out already so i can explore and play more

[tame seal]

How would you like to see the combat improved?

[viral scarab]

They know people want daggers and spears and different attack patterns and stuff.

[noble anchor]

I'm assuming that the battle system stuff falls under "fixes and polish", since the battle system is there but it needs some work.

[gentle forum]

My biggest issue with the roadmap is that there were no roads on it.

[spring forum]

In June when Elden Ring expansion comes out I'll completely forget about this game for like 6 months hah

[pastel shadow]

When Ark The Center map drops…

[viral scarab]

Kind of the beauty of early access IMO.

[real marlin]

Read between the thumbnails...

[astral hull]

Never

[elder parrot]

What I mean is, better loot, more character development in terms of combat skills. Additional attacks/skills. More magic attacks than a simple fireball. Add some progressively more flashy and powerful spells. Firebolt is strong atm,but it shouldnt be an end game spell lol. Improved AI. I mean theres a lot of combat related improvement that could be made

[gentle forum]

I can’t even read.

[real marlin]

LOOK... between the thumbnails...

[pastel shadow]

Is ok. I’m still breeding up max mutations on like fifteen species still. 👌 I’m contentedly purring along.

[spring forum]

i want the eternal chain lightning spell. that will be so fun visually

[pastel shadow]

(And breeding for colors now too 🥳)

[astral hull]

I would assume spells and skills would come with new zones and levels as we get them.

[elder parrot]

@spring forum I want a fireblast, icicle blast, lightning strike, tornado?, meteor, earthquake. You effing name it.

[real marlin]

I can't give Ark any more money. I've been hurt too many times. Its over

[elder parrot]

Im gonna keep complaining about lack of spell diversity until its improved lol

[pastel shadow]

If Enshrouded had ARK style breeding in it, uh, I’d be pretty hooked. I don’t expect it in the least - but that’d be a game unto itself for me. 🍻

[real marlin]

You are certainly free to assume!

[tame seal]

Out of that list, it's hard to really say they need to improve it, until they've actually finished the game. A little improvement to the NPC AI would certainly be good though.

[astral hull]

Of course I am. I’m American

[elder parrot]

@tame seal I mean, its a very personal "problem". But i want to play a mage. But using tiny bolt spells for 100 hours is just not interesting. They could add 1 or 2 more stages for each element.

[pastel shadow]

AI teaming/formations/tactics would be sweet.

[tame seal]

I more mean, a lot of things you suggested, seem like continuations of what they have in game, as in more spells and such, we don't know what they have planned for future content, they may already have an array of new spells and such planned.

[radiant furnace]

"Magic Sorting": It would be great to get this: Choose an empty magical box, put one stack of a certain material, click on it and automatically fill these box with the same material out of all other magic boxes😉

[elder parrot]

@tame seal Wouldnt it be on the roadmap then?

[pastel shadow]

Sword and board AI up front, 2h/spear on sides/back, move between ranged where present in team… some ideas for AI group-tactics combat rules.

[elder parrot]

Its at a time like this I would love for dev input.

[pastel shadow]

Right now enemy AI is like a peewee soccer team. Everyone glom on the ball.

[elder parrot]

The roadmap made me lose all interest in playing Enshrouded for 2024, because what i personally wanted, isnt on there. That might be silly, but hey.

[astral hull]

CMs have been feeding us with tid bits of info. It’s been decent eating

[real marlin]

They said it is subject to additions/subtractions as the game develops. So anything is possible. Except Pokemon I suppose

[tame seal]

Would it have it's own specific point? Probably not, but that's what i mean we cant say fully that stuff like new spells need adding... when they may already have it planned and we just don't know.

[astral hull]

I’ll say that just cause it’s not on the roadmap, doesn’t mean it won’t get worked on

[elder parrot]

Yeah you're probably right

[pastel shadow]

That’s a fair take, you have your preferences. I’d personally hedge a bit - there is miles of interpretation into each roadmap item, it’s the slimmest of glimpses. But perhaps you did see enough.

[real marlin]

I still want a hard left turn into Aliens at the mid endgame. It just works

[tame seal]

That's certainly your prerogative. Just keep taking a nosey from time to time, you might find what you're after gets added at some point.

[elder parrot]

I played enshrouded for a tiny bit, and loved it. Just found the combat a bit shallow. Which of course is very subjective. I want to play the game again, but there are additions I personally need for me to truely enjoy it fully

@tame seal Definately will

One things for certain. Im sure this game will become an absolute gem as it improves

[lament root]

We have 5 craft BOffs, but no combat BOffs. I would like to get at least one NPC companion to assist in combat. After all, I wonder why do our craftBoffs always give us most of the missions? It looks like a player is a servant of these BOffs. "Give me this, give me that, go here, go there etc".

[real marlin]

Okay, what is a BOff

[elder parrot]

The opposite of a baff and boof

pow

[noble anchor]

Luckily for you, this is just Early Access and the game will continue to grow and evolve. This is just a small taste of the game to date.

[real marlin]

Well a baff and boof are themselves opposite

[elder parrot]

@noble anchor For sure

[lament root]

A friendly NPC who is located in your camp/starship.

[astral hull]

What’s the acronym stand for?

[lament root]

Star Ttek Online.

[elder parrot]

How is BOff an acronum for star trek online?

[real marlin]

I still don't get it

[astral hull]

[elder parrot]

😂

[real marlin]

Like, Rirt I'd get

[lament root]

I meant its origin is from STO.

[real marlin]

You know, Red Shirt and all

[sudden drum]

Yeah, but that wasn't even the question. So I gonna google it now I guess

[elder parrot]

Yeah but what does BOff stand for?

[lament root]

BOff means "Bridge 0fficer".

[elder parrot]

ah

[real marlin]

Buoyant Otter Fiercely Frolicking?

[elder parrot]

Truth^

[lament root]

Bridge Officer is an NPC who is teamed with a player and can help in combat.

[astral hull]

Battle Otter For Firemen

[lament root]

Usually a player has one to 4 BOffs in a team.

[pliant quarry]

I like that we've decided it involves otters

Big Otters Firing Firearms

[signal cobalt]

is this Enshrouded related? I still haven't completed the EA, but I am so lost on the BOff NPC.

[pliant quarry]

yes you just haven't found the hidden otters with guns miniboss yet

[real marlin]

Perfect

[lament root]

Well, craftpersons is a very long term. BOff is shorter.

[astral hull]

Ok Palworld, calm down

[elder parrot]

Everything in this universe, is either an otter, or not an otter. Think about that

My wisdom is OTTERworldly

[real marlin]

No need to, makes sense

[sudden drum]

I thought it's "Be Off this channel right now!" (like GTFO or something)

That would be cool

[real marlin]

Man, Star Trek is so classist

Why it gotta be a bridge officer?

[signal cobalt]

spacecraft ranks, I guess.

[lament root]

I played STO more than 8 years, so I'm used to use its terms.

[signal cobalt]

We'd have the Flamesborn rank or Hero status if we had a ranking system in Enshrouded.

[lament root]

Not exactly.

[real marlin]

Like, the dude in security you had a bagel with last week isn't good enough?

Or Larry down in Engineering? Maybe he has something of value to bring to the away mission.

[lament root]

Any starship crewman might be a bridge officer, if the Captain choose them.

[real marlin]

Should totally start at the rank of "Wick"

[signal cobalt]

candle references 😂

[real marlin]

But we can't all be bridge officers can we

[elder parrot]

Im off to play helldivers. You all have a wonderful evening

[real marlin]

For Super Earth!

[lament root]

Ranking system might be an interesting addition.

[prisma frost]

Democracyyyy

[signal cobalt]

but it's not on the roadmap (i don't want to give false hopes)

[viral scarab]

That could make sense with the "sharing gameplay experiences" though. Like how Neverwinter lets you make dungeons and other players rate them on on completion

[real marlin]

If they let us mod I'll make a rank system tied to questing/crafting. No filthy casuals getting access to those wells

[viral scarab]

Oh I'm sure hardcore mods will be a thing 😝

[lament root]

It was just a thought, not a suggestion.

[real marlin]

We do not require your thought, simply your obedience!

[pliant quarry]

don't democracy too hard

[real marlin]

Is that even possible?

[lament root]

So far, we don't have our character name displayed even. Just Steam account names.

Looks pretty funny, though.

Especially my Steam account.

[onyx rampart]

Will someone exchange something for the shoes of the luminous palldin?

[lament root]

Resistance is futile?

[real marlin]

When the walls fell?

God I hate that episode

[lament root]

Shaka

[real marlin]

I would but I never bothered with the loot boxes, I mean end game, I mean chest farming.

[onyx rampart]

Do you have them in stock or do you need to farm them?

[real marlin]

You to have farm loot boxes for them

[onyx rampart]

yes

[lament root]

Luminous Paladin, sounds beautiful.

[real marlin]

By farm I mean repeatedly open chests

[cedar heart]

hey. how's the shroud today?

[onyx rampart]

I know that

[real marlin]

Just making sure to be clear. I've been getting misunderstood today.

[lament root]

The Shroud is still enshrouded.

[wraith umbra]

That's just the nature of discord

[rancid thorn]

Hey, never played this game, hows it looking?

[pliant quarry]

How dare you think I misunderstood you

[real marlin]

Like a game you should try

[wraith umbra]

Worth waiting for the 10% discount

[sudden drum]

Cool

[lament root]

Fascinating.

[real marlin]

My bad, wont happen again

[real marlin]

The wait is over!

[rancid thorn]

Thanks for your replies! Someone said its not really survival as its super easy.. Is that the case?

[real marlin]

Unless you are in some pacific northwest bum town maybe

[wraith umbra]

I am in some pacific northwest bum town 😢

[real marlin]

The survival is pretty thin yes. But the whole package is nice to look at

[wraith umbra]

I would 100% agree the game is not a survival game and it is reasonably easy

however it is still a great time

[lament root]

Don't believe them.

[real marlin]

I mean for now it is kind of true

[crystal torrent]

Well there's no forced hunger and thirst in the game, thank god.

[real marlin]

This aint no Long Dark or Green Hell

[onyx rampart]

@real marlin what about farming, I'd show you where

[rancid thorn]

Well good is good right, regardless of how it plays 🙂

[real marlin]

Do, do you want someone to farm the boots for you?

[wraith umbra]

It is a lovely game to explore and it will only get better with more content, so worth picking up now on the cheap even if you don't play it for a while

[rancid thorn]

Yea It looks like a nicer version of valheim

[wraith umbra]

I don't think the game is like valheim at all

[onyx rampart]

yes, or I would trade for some other item in the game for them

[real marlin]

It just came out in ea so, it is all a little rough to one degree or another but if I had to call a shot right now I'd say Enshrouded will be the best survival action game until a better one drops.

[wraith umbra]

other than the comfort/food buff system it plays more like an action/adventure game

[pliant quarry]

I think people just compare us to valheim a lot because it's the closest game, but yeah there's quite a few differences

[rancid thorn]

Im sure it isnt but it gave me them vibes from the vids

[polar fern]

the building in this game intruiges me like valheims building did

[trim marten]

yeah....like VOXEL building for one

[wraith umbra]

Building is a lot more like minecraft than valheim

[lament root]

I would rather to compare to Conan Exiles, where I played for a year.

[real marlin]

It shares enough DNA that the comparison isn't untoward but it is doing it's own thing for sure.

[trim marten]

games that give people freedom of creativity will always do well, and long after release too

[wraith umbra]

or seven days to die, without the terrible UI/build system (but the structure is the same)

[crystal torrent]

Why not do a Youtube search for Enshrouded Gameplay and have a look, if you like what you see then it's a game for you.

[real marlin]

Ugh, 7DTD. What a waste

[rancid thorn]

I did and it defo looks like a game im gonna buy, i just wanted to come chat. Hows the combat feel?

[tame narwhal]

hello

im new

[wraith umbra]

Combat is mostly fluid and responsive, but some of the systems have some issues, especially going into endgame.

[real marlin]

Right this second it is very passable. In a could be better sort of way. In my opinion. Which seems to be a minority

Hello Marcel

[tame narwhal]

hello

[crystal torrent]

I like it a lot, but it depends heavily on your level if it's a challenge or not.

[wraith umbra]

Magic and archery feel great, dodge is fine but there are no iframes if you are used to those. Parry works, but parry takes a nosedive as you progress in the game.

[tame narwhal]

is there a roadmap already ?

only play like 30 mins

[real marlin]

New favorite person

[rancid thorn]

Its EA so im sure it will be perfected! The enemies interesting?

[rancid thorn]

hello

[real marlin]

Yes there is a roadmap, check the news channel

[dapper ice]

Does anyone have a paladin's gauntlet to replace?

[real marlin]

Yes? Like they are but there isn't a lot of variety so

[lament root]

Mostly orc-like monsters.

[tame narwhal]

ok

[wraith umbra]

I think sometimes you encounter a new enemy and it seems interesting, but for the most part they are pretty generic. I personally think they have a long way to go to make enemies interesting in this game.

[real marlin]

It is a good start, just needs deepening

[rancid thorn]

is that the same for boss encounters? Also is the coop good?

[real marlin]

Well its only the one boss actually

[wraith umbra]

I found 2/6 bosses interesting enough, but all could be made even more fun

[real marlin]

But it is a great encounter and promises a lot

[lament root]

Co-op connection is stable. Completing missions together is not stable so far.

[dapper ice]

Does anyone have a paladin's gauntlet to replace?

[wraith umbra]

Co-op is great if you play it as a co-op game where you do everything together. If you are expecting random log ons with a group of folks that kinda just pop in and out, you may want to wait for some changes

[white orbit]

You're great

[real marlin]

Yeah, need to have scheduled play dates at the moment

Hey first time for everything!

[white orbit]

I'm eating a scheduled salad

[wraith umbra]

also Hi mel 🙂

[lament root]

I don't.

[white orbit]

Hi Adall

[wraith umbra]

Send me salad pics!

[white orbit]

Okay!

[wraith umbra]

so I can live healthy vicariously through you

[quiet geyser]

Hey!! have you guys heard about the best farmer?

[white orbit]

Please don't judge my bacon bits

I needed a savory cronch

[real marlin]

I eat salad. But really the leafy greens are just a vehicle for the 18 different meats and cheeses I dump on top of them.

[wraith umbra]

This better have a good punchline

[rancid thorn]

Well all in all it seems well worth the £22! Early access lends itself to the perfection process with the community

[quiet geyser]

hes outstanding in his field!! 😄

[white orbit]

You're doing it right

[lament root]

Uh oh. I'm on a diet.

[white orbit]

Same that's why I'm eating salad

Tomorrow I might not be tho

[cedar heart]

I can't multi-task, how's the shroud today?

[white orbit]

Very shroudy

[lament root]

And creepy

[real marlin]

I get pizza tonight! I've been contemplating it all day. hmmm, pizza

[cedar heart]

Anybody have trouble finding a good group? I can't find any that match my schedule in the lfg

[real marlin]

It is tricky!

I've played the game 3 times through because groups keeps dissolving.

It might be me...

[wraith umbra]

Maybe just post what you are looking for Jaecyx and make your own

[astral hull]

I’ve actually met some cool peeps using the lfg forum here

[real marlin]

Me too! And also Adall

[lament root]

While we don't have in-game chat , I have no idea how to communicate with strangers teamed with you 🤫🤫

[real marlin]

Discord? Teamspeak? Vent? Carrier Pigeon?

[lament root]

It sucks.

[astral hull]

We do a private group chat for our enshrouded group. It works pretty nicely

[wraith umbra]

Thank you for excluding me from the cool peeps

[real marlin]

Wait isn't the Farmer a chick?

That is me being a clown... not you

[wraith umbra]

how could the farmer be a small chicken?

I took it in a non-offensive way

[real marlin]

Self fulfilling prophecy?

[wraith umbra]

I'm not so bad with context 🙂

[wraith umbra]

What came first? The farmer, the chicken or the egg?

[lament root]

I wonder do you use that Discord text chat and play a game at the same time?

[real marlin]

I was pretty sure but didn't want to roll those dice

[glacial echo]

does stun bar damage against blocking enemies increase with weapon damage?

[real marlin]

Panspermia?

[real marlin]

That is an excellent question and this is a terrible answer

[wraith umbra]

It's based on damage dealt iirc

So 2h weapons will move the bar more per swing, but you will be swinging less often

the whole stun bar needs some love though

[glacial echo]

weapon damage, weapon type, or both?

[wraith umbra]

just damage

[glacial echo]

tyty

[cedar heart]

I did post what I was lookin for, then these ppl just flake out

[real marlin]

Gotta keep trying

[astral hull]

Yep! We’re usually on voice but sometimes some of us stay on text if they don’t want to voice

[cedar heart]

like couldnt even start the group lol

[astral hull]

It also helps to have two screens to do this

[wraith umbra]

Ah sorry, that happens sometimes. Just keep trying 🙂

Maybe try again when the next update drops

[lament root]

Hmm. Sadly I have 2 hands only and cannot use a phone and a PC keyboard at the same time. Sad that I'm not a Tholian.

[astral hull]

Use the desktop app! You can have both open at the same time.

[lament root]

My game client has a full screen.

[sudden drum]

Imagine having only 2 hands in 2024

[astral hull]

Yeah you’d have to alt tab with only one screen. The game desperately needs an in game chat I feel.

[lament root]

Most of humanoids still have 2 hands in 25 century even.

[sudden drum]

https://i.imgflip.com/8j9zkq.jpg

[mossy meteor]

Oh ingame chat would be indeed cool. For example while visiting others.

[hearty pond]

talking in game should be done by owl messages, and then delay added to the distant you send the message! immersion!

[mossy meteor]

Owls would be kinda funny 😂

[radiant furnace]

show helmet / hide helmet function

[hearty pond]

fits with wand theme

[idle pendant]

I don't see a way to tell on the map which flame altars I've visited and which I have not. The icon looks the same for both. Is there a way to tell I'm not seeing?

[astral hull]

Unfortunately no. The new location markers reset on reload

[sudden drum]

Back in WoW Vanilla we wrote (ingame)letters to each other

[cedar heart]

Back in my day

Nickelodeon was good

[wraith umbra]

It's 2024, all games should have integrated telepathy

[idle pendant]

Thanks. Hopefully, something they will change. I don't know which ones I still need to go to.

[mossy meteor]

Hm roadmap says well get signs that we can edit. i guess well be carrying signs to write to each other then 😄

[echo ledge]

letters we can write in and place in our bases?

[mossy meteor]

it would be kinda funny. conversation with placing signs xD

[sudden drum]

That's exactly what they are meant for.
What else were you thinking?

[echo ledge]

a board we can stick our messages on?

would be hilarious to walk into a server and find a board with an argument playing out in multiple notes nailed to it

[astral hull]

Aww i miss getting letters from my friends on wow

[hearty pond]

then log on and send them a message!

you heartless man!

[viscid bough]

is there anywhere i can submit formal suggestions/feedback?

[subtle prawn]

!upvote

[unborn sigil]

Future features can be voted on to show your interest on Feature Upvote!

Adding new suggestions is currently disabled, but please search one of the existing 2600+ suggestions and upvote/comment it, your idea is almost certainly in there already!

Created by random27#0 (787104841360736266)

[viscid bough]

ooh

wait this site looks awesome

i might use it for my project

[subtle prawn]

Should open soon for new suggestions

[viscid bough]

i'm a game designer with a game with nearly 2mil MAU and conveniently accepting public suggestions and feedback has always been a huge headache for us

this site looks sick though

[pliant quarry]

Yeah they're pretty nice :) I wish they had better sorting algorithms, it can have a bit of a problem where the highest upvoted posts tend to get promoted the most, creating a bit of a feedback loop where the most popular posts are the most visible, getting them more votes, making them more popular, etc.

But still it's a great place to track and manage a lot of suggestions at once, much easier than setting up your own in-house tool

[dim hemlock]

Hey 🙂 Just wanted to say that Enshrouded is an awesome game. Its the first game in years that I play so intense since I have an illness. It even brought my friends together that didn't know each other yet! Thank you for that game!

[viscid bough]

ahhh yeah that feedback loop of popularity>upvotes>popularity is always something that causes problems in feedback congregating platforms like this

it's really tricky to solve

[pliant quarry]

Yeah it's inevitable so long as you allow players to see the most popular ones, this platform just has it worse than I'd like given that all the algorithms except "newest" will essentially just show you the most popular ones.

Wish it had something more similar to like, Reddit's "hot" algorithm or something.

[viscid bough]

there seems to be an attempt at remedying this with top vs trending, but they don't seem to be very distinct lol

not a whole lot of useful information in one compared to the other

[pliant quarry]

yeah haha, but oh well. It's still very good and it has made it much easier to sort bulk feedback

But just know the votes aren't the most reliable metric, other than to get a vague idea

[viscid bough]

very interesting seeing such a specialized website like this, normally stuff like this is like, tied into some other massive work management platform

giant ecosystems can be fine in some cases but it's refreshing to see top level specialization in sites like this

[lethal rune]

votes wouldn't be a totally accurate method, even the suggestion thread the game had isn't. for example the suggestion thread is basically report based. report based is another way to say volunteer based, and usually the people who volunteer to give feedback are the ones who feel the most strongly about it - either positive or negative. 2000 votes on a topic doesn't necessarily mean it's completely representative of the whole community of 2 million people who bought the game.

[pliant quarry]

nobody saw that

[wraith umbra]

Toast's secret personal account

[lethal rune]

i saw it, but i already forget the name.

curse my bad goldfish like memory

[pliant quarry]

Correct though, what I said to taylor was mostly just a word of caution since he's a dev thinking of using it lol

[wraith umbra]

I will stay silent for 10 enshroudeds

Toast in here saying opt-in polling is flawed smh

How dare he ||speak truth||

[lethal rune]

yeah i'm not sure what to think of it, flawed is the best descriptor lol

it's still valued in stats, just not the golden mean of collecting data.

[gentle forum]

Did toast leak again

Needs thicker bread, if the jelly keeps seeping through

[wraith umbra]

Toast said that we are getting a swamp biome in May

With water and seven new building blocks alongside 45 degree horizontal blocks

Pretty good day really

[native parrot]

Wowza, that's a lot of good news

[alpine beacon]

🍿

[chrome axle]

re: Roadmap and World events ~ this isn't going to be mobs attacking my base and destroying my shit with no way for me to turn it off, right? I'm 0% interested in rebuilding what I've already built.

[native parrot]

No. Almost certainly not.

Also, dig a moat

[alpine beacon]

Better start crafting automatic magic missile launchers

Tower defense 4.0

[native parrot]

Or Hire Vukah guards

[alpine beacon]

Slavery 3.1

[chrome axle]

While I am not opposed to a moat, once there is water, I generally loathe base raids in every game I have encountered them in.

[native parrot]

Well they don't intend on making raids a priority.
And even if they do make it, it will likely be optional

[chrome axle]

I know they've said a couple times they had no plans for raids, but I also know that I've seen a lot of people really, really pushing for it.

Just hoping they haven't caved to that pressure. Because I would be very, very sad if they did.

[wraith umbra]

Sorry everything I recently said was a lie, I feel bad (here: #the-tavern message)

[thorny fossil]

If I can make some wacky Orcs Must Die-style deathtraps I’m all for raids, otherwise I could take them or leave them

[chrome axle]

I have no interest in making deathtraps, lol.

[thorny fossil]

Fair!

[chrome axle]

I know there's plenty of people that don't really want forced base raids, but it also feels like we're quieter than the people that do.

[alpine beacon]

Keen games are smart enough to make such game changing edits optional through settings or some such

[tame seal]

No issue with the mechanic being in game, as long as theres a way to turn it off.

[thorny fossil]

It’s always easier to see opinions that are opposed to your own, I think

But yeah, I imagine that sort of thing would be on a world-level toggle. Like some sort of Survival Mode setting

[tame seal]

I'm still not sure how they'd make base raids feasble though, as all you have to do is literally build your base in the sky and there we have it, safe from raids.

[thorny fossil]

You say that, but we have flying enemies

[chrome axle]

A toggle would be great, best of both worlds.

[thorny fossil]

and those are usually worse than their ground-level counterparts. Like the (wraiths? liches?) that shoot homing projectiles

[tame seal]

So they'll just make raids with one type of mob (currently) That'll be fun 😄

[thorny fossil]

and the flying bugs

[wraith umbra]

Raids, but only the green mushrooms

[thorny fossil]

Maybe they’ll make one of those poison cleaver guys with a jetpack

[tame seal]

Unless they're like the tumbleweed and spawn around the player specifically 😄

[chrome axle]

Aw, the green mushrooms are so sweet, though.

[alpine beacon]

Raids of just hundreds of bugs

[tame seal]

I wouldn't mind raids, as long as i can have some sort of automated turret.

[wraith umbra]

Base raids should only exist if they fully embrace a tower defense game

which they won't do, so no raids

[thorny fossil]

Some sort of archer townsfolk NPC class would go a long way toward that, I think. Don’t need to go full tower defense for that.

The hardest thing about it would be getting it to work well everywhere, I would think. Like, how do you do hunting enemy pathfinding in a world where you can just deconstruct everything and build anywhere without trivializing it

[crystal torrent]

If raids gets in the game I see a lot of floating bases in the future. I hope there never will be, there's no fun to be had by having your base destroyed.

[gentle forum]

If they're implemented the way it was talked about a few months ago. There could be different types of flame altars, one that enables base raids.

So it sounds like it'll be optional. Not a dev, don't have any further insight outside of things posted here.

[native parrot]

Amber Altar

[crystal torrent]

If you can opt out I'd be ok with that.

[gentle forum]

I'd hope there would be special loot from base raids

[native parrot]

And there will be max super rewards only accessible to characters who have actually done the raid. So it can't be traded to other people

[gentle forum]

Nothing that makes it necessary but a reward for doing so (not sparks or something I can already just get)

[native parrot]

That way people can cry and whine

[tame hawk]

I'd appreciate some of the Townsfolk NPC's from the roadmap are soldiers of some kind- allowing us to allocate them in strategic locations; an archer in a tower, for example

[gentle forum]

I don't think they'll be combat, more passive that might do some tasks for you but mostly just there to fill up your base or a possible quest for them.

[chrome axle]

I just like building them their little houses.

Give me lots of little people to build little houses for.

[sudden drum]

That sound a little creepy.
But I like that.

[chrome axle]

Little beds and little chairs. And then they can have little dinner parties.

(I have played a not insignificant amount of Sims)

[prisma frost]

Can sit chair will be best update

[chrome axle]

That will be very important, yeah.

[prisma frost]

I wonder if sitting on chair will get comfort

[snow mantle]

is there any place to look for trades?

looking for the Knight Set, havent had much luck farming chests for it

[sudden drum]

That would be most likely #1195389948069675009 .
There are also servers listed for resource materials and also armor/weapons.

[sudden drum]

My bad, I meant #1200109637815517184
Like: https://discord.com/channels/1046840540550942720/1206680816080392192

[rigid ether]

any word when the roadmap will start. so ready for the new biome

[wraith umbra]

It's already started

First content update is slated for this month

[daring sun]

So, a question. Is there any chance we will see spears / polearms in the future?

[rigid ether]

awesome. hope they keep it coming so i can start playing it again

[signal cobalt]

Not that we know of. Whatever is on the roadmap, are the next updates to be expected over time.

[quasi saffron]

Heya. What did I miss?

[plush idol]

Suh dudes

[quasi saffron]

Seems I missed not much.

[elder parrot]

Prolly not ^^

[ocean anvil]

chat has slowed down a bit

[elder parrot]

Yeah, calm in a way ^^

Someone else will come and say anything neg or posi about roadmap and we will all start bickering again im sure 🤭

[quasi saffron]

Road map is too good for us. Which is bad.

[elder parrot]

Oh im binding my sword hand!!

Just need to decide what to take offense with!

^^

Ive got nothing ^^

[quasi saffron]

Be offended by the means of a offensive to begin with.

[elder parrot]

Yes how dare you! ^^

[quasi saffron]

I mean... It's the same way why I have a minimum range in WoW in which I start attacking people.

Yep. Chat really slowed down.

[elder parrot]

^^

[prisma frost]

Guys, 1.0 when?

[quasi saffron]

What from Google Maps does got u guys excited?

[elder parrot]

Well ive an excuse cus its 01.56 at night

[quasi saffron]

Well... Same. It seems we're at the same time zone.