so?
#too many npcs spawn with a shield
snow cipher
so?
makes the game unpleasant
always the shield and messer combo or some other bs
in the demo they spawned with atleast something unique
cursive hatch
makes the game unpleasant
how
Shields were used alot in European warfare and duels.
They are meant to be bypassed.
In the game you can just try bait out a attack and/or go hit a opening or sweep their legs or whatever.
snow cipher
In the game you can just try bait out a attack and/or go hit a opening or sweep ...
thats not fun
i wanna fight someone with a sword
something interesting
their shields just fully block damage
too
cursive hatch
their shields just fully block damage
Sure, but shields are meant to block damage? Maybe some more kinetic energy can be used from weapons to push them back a bit but yeah.
Not much of a problem
abstract star
Sure, but shields are meant to block damage? Maybe some more kinetic energy can ...
Have you even played EA? Shields are extremely OP right now, and arm pavise can completely negate the force from the traps on the Hall map.
cursive hatch
Have you even played EA? Shields are extremely OP right now, and arm pavise can ...
Yes.
I want shields to exist and still be great at defending,
But I also said I'd like if they didnt suppress all the force and damage from weapons and objects.
haughty idol
bro all you have to do is jimmy your blade past the shield. usually the blade ends up trapped between the shield and them, so when they move the shield it dismembers them
hot juniper
I do think it's kinda wacky how the 1x8 plank of wood can stop a halberd strike dead in its tracks.
That thing could block a freight train.
haughty idol
probably an engine limitation though
haughty idol
i dont see how the devs could make hitting a held item do damage to the arm without physics bugs or other weapons not being able to parry correctly
hot juniper
I wouldn't need it to do damage to the arm. I just think it's funny that the shield is capable of destroying energy. Basically none of it actually transfers into moving anything. The momentum just vanishes.
haughty idol
i dont think thats the case
hot juniper
Kinda feels like it.
haughty idol
otherwise charging people down with shields or hitting them with it wouldnt work
since all damage is phys based
haughty idol
easy way to test i think
go into a buhurt with a tower shield on your back and see if you can get up while enemy strikes on your shield
hot juniper
I don't have the Early Access, unfortunately.
I'm just going off of demo physics. Are they changed much is EA? I heard that putting a shield on your back makes you borderline invincible.
haughty idol
I'm just going off of demo physics. Are they changed much is EA? I heard that pu...
you heard wrong lmao
a shield on your back just means if they hit the shield it stops you from getting up while doing very little damage
problem is, the enemies tend to not always hit the shield
haughty idol
albert chonsker?
hot juniper
I guess that checks out.
haughty idol
anyway the physics arent different. the weight and centre of mass of the weapons and your player character's strength is though
your wrists are a bit floppy, and i wouldnt touch any sword above 2.4kg even with max strength stat
hot juniper
Floppier than the demo? Oh brother.
haughty idol
you can remedy it though
hot juniper
Pilates?
haughty idol
the main reason they flop is because your weapon pulls on them too hard, since the centre of mass is too far forwards
but the weapon creator helps you bring it further back
hot juniper
Swords are supposed to be balanced at the hilt, so I guess that makes sense.
Though it seems that the meta in Halfsword is leaning towards giant heavy weapons.
haughty idol
around abouts the hilt yeah
where the stick is, put it like a centimetre (0.4 inch) further towards the hilt
it has enough front heavyness to keep momentum through swings, but lets me keep control since my wrists arent being dislocated constantly
but for now the pole arms are king
hot juniper
As was typical throughout history afaik.
cursive hatch
As was typical throughout history afaik.
The most commonly used polearm for most of history was the spear.
The spear was 9/10 times paired with a shield.
Most people carried a shield. It was basically mandatory for a lot of cultures and states.
flint agate
Shields make perfect sense
Shields are extremely overpowered rn. This doesn't make sense, they like freaking force field
Plank of wood shouldn't be able to stop hit from a 7 kilo poleaxe that can turn your opponent's head in a metal helmet into a pot of soup
I agree that on high ranks every dude has either shield or polearm and that is bullshit from a gameplay standpoint - if you don't want to beat up beggars you will fight same 3 guys all the time
cursive hatch
Shields are extremely overpowered rn. This doesn't make sense, they like freakin...
I didn't say that made sense.
I said shields as a thing make sense to exist and should exist.
If you read what I said, you'd know I said that shields should be in the game, but not be able to absorb energy and impact like it's nothing.
It should be hit back and maybe even knocked away from the user for a quick second to allow a attack on the unprotected body.
dim ocean
I said shields as a thing make sense to exist and should exist.
I think the author is arguing in the sense that there is just too many of them and that it would be nice either to have less in random spawn or have a way to choose what enemy you what to fight.
cursive hatch
I think the author is arguing in the sense that there is just too many of them a...
Oh. In that case I disagree.
dim ocean
Personally I would argue that polearm are more of a problem and more precisely their handles which can knock you out without even being hit.
dim ocean
Oh. In that case I disagree.
You disagree on what? That there is too many or that there should be a way to choose your opponents ?
cursive hatch
You disagree on what? That there is too many or that there should be a way to ch...
Both.
dim ocean
Personally I'm speaking coming from Free Mode, I don't think we should have the ability to choose which enemy on Progression mode as it would simply damage the challenge.
cursive hatch
Personally I would argue that polearm are more of a problem and more precisely t...
Yep.
cursive hatch
Personally I'm speaking coming from Free Mode, I don't think we should have the ...
You should have said that.
Free mode you can do anything since its free.
Progression no.
dim ocean
Well, I clicked on this topic because I was thinking about free mode since I spent 35h in it the 2 last weeks and shield on free mode can be annoying when Playing a lower ranks but more importantly they are bullshit and can one shot you by robbing it to your face.
Alternatively the problem is not shields but the fact that they are poorly balanced so getting rid of them would simply move the problem, not fix it.
dim ocean
You should have said that.
I was getting there, I am not here to attack you or anything I wanted a conversation so I was in no way preparing to be condescending like some other can be. So I really don't have to do anything as I was getting to my point.
cursive hatch
I was getting there, I am not here to attack you or anything I wanted a conversa...
Sorry if I sound aggressive.
dim ocean
Sorry if I sound aggressive.
No problem
cursive hatch
Well, I clicked on this topic because I was thinking about free mode since I spe...
I feel like only bucklers should have actual damage.
Still, not enough to knock you out like that.
Bigger shields, and ones without a boss should be weak in shield bashing
dim ocean
I feel like only bucklers should have actual damage.
Technically you can run toward someone and charge with a shield so in my opinion they should all have some kind of physics based damage it's just that currently it's exaggerated and that has nothing to do with shields but rather overhaul passive blunt damage. Like spears can literally make you trip because the handle is behind you without even hitting you.
dim ocean
Bigger shields, and ones without a boss should be weak in shield bashing
Are you french? I'm asking because you said a "boss" speaking about the lump/bump on the shield so I wonder.
snow cipher
bro all you have to do is jimmy your blade past the shield. usually the blade en...
thats lame
and i do that
i dont struggle agaisnt shields theyre just lame
cursive hatch
Technically you can run toward someone and charge with a shield so in my opinion...
True.
cursive hatch
Are you french? I'm asking because you said a "boss" speaking about the lump/bum...
No. Boss is a commonly used term for the metal lump and structural support piece of a shield.
cursive hatch
thats lame
How is it lame?
dim ocean
No. Boss is a commonly used term for the metal lump and structural support piece...
Alright thanks for this piece of knowledge
snow cipher
How is it lame?
its so much shields that it just gets lame
cursive hatch
Alright thanks for this piece of knowledge
Of course, Beaugoose.
cursive hatch
its so much shields that it just gets lame
It's barely any shields.
They are extremely easy to bypass.
I don't know what you mean.
dim ocean
its so much shields that it just gets lame
I feel like you encounter more often polearm users than shield one. And I find them pretty easy to deal with so what is your problem with it? Are you playing at a certain rank only?
Where are you coming from with that?
snow cipher
I feel like you encounter more often polearm users than shield one. And I find t...
learn how to read
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wrong reply
cursive hatch
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snow cipher
I feel like you encounter more often polearm users than shield one. And I find t...
they block like all damage
you could have a 100 kg mace and it would block it with no problem
specially the shoulder ones
dim ocean
learn how to read
I do know, and that's why I can't understand your reply currently
cursive hatch
they block like all damage
you could have a 100 kg mace and it would block it wi...
We've been over this..
We literally said it shouldn't block weight like it's nothing.
dim ocean
they block like all damage
you could have a 100 kg mace and it would block it wi...
Yeah but you are not supposed to hit it, you can bypass easily. Especially with a mace you have so many lines of attacks to knock them down.
cursive hatch
It should still be pushed back or something from a big hit or something heavy falling into it.
cursive hatch
Yeah but you are not supposed to hit it, you can bypass easily. Especially with ...
100%
I can go into the game right one, and easily kill every shield guy I find.
dim ocean
It should still be pushed back or something from a big hit or something heavy fa...
Break I think, it should be destructible especially with a axe or something.
snow cipher
Yeah but you are not supposed to hit it, you can bypass easily. Especially with ...
they still shouldnt block just all incoming damage though
cursive hatch
they still shouldnt block just all incoming damage though
They kind of should.
Unless your shields crushing you with weight on-top, no.
cursive hatch
Break I think, it should be destructible especially with a axe or something.
True.
dim ocean
they still shouldnt block just all incoming damage though
Yeah but then the topic's name shouldn't be "too many NPCS with shield" but rather " Shields are too OP and can block every damage without ever breaking '.
snow cipher
Yeah but then the topic's name shouldn't be "too many NPCS with shield" but rath...
but my desire is less shield npcs
cursive hatch
but my desire is less shield npcs
Why.
dim ocean
Unless your shields crushing you with weight on-top, no.
Yeah it should be blocking all damages simply because shield are made to deflect and not block, meaning it requires very little force.
cursive hatch
more demo like
But why.
cursive hatch
i gave you a reason
No you didn't.
snow cipher
they're jure more fun
snow cipher
No you didn't.
bait
dim ocean
more demo like
Do you play on free mode or progression mode ?
cursive hatch
You just say stuff like "it's lame" etc, but you don't say how it's lame or something.
snow cipher
Do you play on free mode or progression mode ?
both
cursive hatch
I'm starting to think you just have a skill issue.
snow cipher
You just say stuff like "it's lame" etc, but you don't say how it's lame or some...
because theres so much cooler weapons in the game and they always go into a shield combo
cursive hatch
I've never even thought about the issue you have.
cursive hatch
because theres so much cooler weapons in the game and they always go into a shie...
Shields are a historic part of Medieval equipment.
They are cool too.
Just cause you can't learn how to get around them shouldn't mean there should be less.
dim ocean
Honestly Dev7 I can't agree with you on that because the problem is not the NPC with shield but the optimization of those. They are just unbalanced not necessarily too common. Especially at higher ranks.
cursive hatch
Honestly Dev7 I can't agree with you on that because the problem is not the NPC ...
If anything I feel like lower ranks should have more shields.
snow cipher
snow cipher
What do you prove with that.
unproving your thought of skill issue
cursive hatch
unproving your thought of skill issue
- That wasn't a real shield enemy. 2. Great! No skill issue. What's the problem now?
If you can comfortably best them like that, there's no problem.
snow cipher
1. That wasn't a real shield enemy. 2. Great! No skill issue. What's the problem...
he still has a shield and is using it
that does make him sort of a shield enemy
cursive hatch
that does make him sort of a shield enemy
Alright.
Let's accept your point.
What is the problem now?
snow cipher
What is the problem now?
i don't like shields, i desire enemies with less shields
dim ocean
unproving your thought of skill issue
Technically it proves nothing because anyone cane take a recording of their best figths without it being a demonstration of skill.
cursive hatch
i don't like shields, i desire enemies with less shields
Why?
Why don't you like shields?
You can't just say you don't like it, you need a just reason.
snow cipher
Why?
prefer when they spawn without it
makes it way more enjoyable cuz they're poorly executed
cursive hatch
prefer when they spawn without it
That added nothing.
cursive hatch
makes it way more enjoyable cuz they're poorly executed
Well they're gonna be fixed since the community has said they are OP.
Obviously the Devs aren't stupid.
tame jackal
Personally I think shields are alright with how much they spawn now but I hope that in the near future they have the ability to be broken if battered enough
dim ocean
Personally I think shields are alright with how much they spawn now but I hope t...
Yeah exactly
tame jackal
I get a shield enemy like a third of the time I’m in a round
dim ocean
makes it way more enjoyable cuz they're poorly executed
Then you should be equally against polearms since they are even more common at higher rank and even more annoying because more bugged/unbalanced.