Bad Optimization (Mega Thread)

[kind solar]

Apparently the "mystery" is that they just slammed a bunch of pre-made, fully rendered models all around the background and beyond and never bothered to even disable the collision and hitboxes.

[pseudo agate]

in slums my pc often overheats and crashes

[idle ruin]

overheating is a hardware issue

[vestal umbra]

the sun

[worn trail]

oh my god dude people blaming everything on anyone and everything but the devs are so infuriating and its crazy to me that some mods partake in that aswell 💔

actual court jester behaviour

bit of a tangent but MAN these people are somehow the most annoying part of all of this

[pseudo agate]

so i changed up my settings a bit and the game is playable and not really laggy, idk why people are hating they can just change the graphics settings but they dont know how to because they are bricks

[vestal umbra]

All my graphics settings are as low as they can be in the options

[pseudo agate]

these are my settings

[tender ibex]

Getting 20 fps in the slums on a 5090.

[green lake]

im getting 80 fps in the slums on my 4050 on lowest

[tender ibex]

Out in the grassland?

[green lake]

what i do is i turn around away from the foliage Lmao

but when i do look at the other side it then drops to like 30 45

[tender ibex]

There's gotta be something weird going on that a 4050's beating out a 5090 by so much, some kind of hardware intolerance?

[green lake]

im not sure, but ive seen a lot of ppl complain abt how 3060ti just doesnt perform well too

idk this version has just been really weird overall bc ive seen a lot of complaints with stronger cards but ive been doing fine

i havent tested the streets yet tho actually

[cursive ember]

I’m on a 9070 and it randomly lags a person falls I lag, it spawns more then one enemy I lag basically lag when it feels like it

[dapper dove]

Really hope they can spin this around, there’s a good game here, but it’s buried under a bad free play mode and terrible optimisation, I do have faith tho

[orchid star]

Bullshit

[heavy shard]

i think some cards just run it better than others even tho they aren't directly better, I mean some dude with a 3080 somehow gets 4x or more fps than me when I have a 4060 and same settings as him. I get a 3080 should have a bit better fps but not 4x, so something is going on either on my end or something with the way the game was made idk

[orchid star]

I guess

[halcyon bough]

Radeon RX 560 4GB
Ryzen 3 1200
20 GB RAM

This is below the minimum requirements, but I can play the demo version smoothly even on high settings... so what was the problem with doing the same for the release... damn, it's frustrating

[spiral seal]

since this thread is kinda big it would be a good idea to edit the original comment to throw in a couple tips imo
ie "set it to dx12, disable blood, and set graphics to low" and/or tips for minmaxing a sweet spot between performance and looks

DX12 made me go from 15-30 fps to 30-40 in slums
some people see no difference but it does help a lot of us

[halcyon bough]

My game crashes with DX12 whenever I try to select any mode.

[spiral seal]

welp

[placid raven]

Ok

[torn charm]

you right i meant high i only had some stuff on ultra

[cursive ember]

I had to put everything on the lowest setting even then with 640x480 resolution it lags

[surreal cape]

is slum map still lagging?

after update?

[short viper]

for me it puts my 5700x3d to like 99% utilization on medium and with dx12 settings and crashes the game and black screens my system freezes for like 10 seconds, heres a pic of what my cpu utilization looks like, before the spike i was playing the underground map where it was about 30-45% utilization.

[cloud moss]

Game runs like hot garbage because like half of steam users have a 8gb gpu, at lowest, the game uses like 10gb on the more demanding maps which is absurd, especially with the fact the game does not run natively, even without using dlss

[short viper]

well, launched game again and caused my system to insta reboot, as much as i want to love this game, i cant, the game just does not want to work and i know that this game is a just released early access game but when i cant even launch the game without crashing on an 9070xt, 5700x3d and 32gb 3200mhz, i just cant.

[hollow osprey]

Switch to dx12. The game is preset to 11 for some reason

[surreal cape]

for me its starting to lag after 5-10

on dx11 it was always bad on slums and alley

now they are working fine only this short time

could be amd problem

[tough junco]

refund time imo

[short viper]

agreed, if the game ever gets fixed ill probably reinvest in this but for now i just cant overlook all the negatives

[tough junco]

imo it's almost a cashcrab

no way they'd spend this amount of time without play testing and bug fixing

massive oversight

if it's anything like this it'll probably take another year for them to release an actual game

[surreal cape]

well they could just add a map for demo

or some weapons

[short viper]

yep, was exited about the game and extremely dissapointed, as that one dude said in the "my "Theory"" thread im starting to think that it happened more and more every second

[tough junco]

welp thankfully I can get a refund so I don't have to pay these guys to hire new devs

just release the demo as the full game would've been better

oh well

[short viper]

thankfully me too and its a shame to see this huge of an potential go to the gutters but for now ill just wait for this game to polish (witch it probably wont)

[cloud moss]

game forces either TAA upscaling or Dynamic Resolution because when the fps starts to drop it becomes super pixelated

[hollow osprey]

im running an rtx 4070 and a ryzen 9900x. settings are medium, dx12, dlss ultra performance, vsync. Stutters on carnage

[stoic marsh]

i get 60-70 lowest and dlss ultra performance during slumbs i drop around 20-40 am using a rtx 3050 6gb

[light storm]

My AMD is definitely effected

[cloud moss]

Use dx11, dx12 forces Lumen and even on high end gpus it eats vram, and then when you cut someone, blood and gore is extremely taxxing

[hollow osprey]

I heard dx11 was lagging people out though

But yeah I have noticed gore is really laggy

I’ll switch to dx11 thx

[cloud moss]

If you dont want any fps drops, turn blood off in the settings

[hollow osprey]

k

they really need to fix gore

cause the performance drops are actually horrid

[whole burrow]

I have 12gb and still runs like hot garbage ngl

I have a 6700xt and a ryzen 7 5700X and i get 60-70 on low so this makes zero sense

[livid stirrup]

Im surprised this ea sits ar mixed reviews instead of Overwhelmingly Negative.

Rtx 3080 works fine on 1280x720p lowest

Rtx 5090 should work 1080p medium-high

[surreal cape]

50-60 fps on lowest, 6600xt quadhd

[whole burrow]

i play on 1080p and my GPU just hits 99% all the time

[fervent void]

just bought the game like 10 mins ago, im on an overclocked 5080 getting 30 fps with constant drops at 1440, it was way better on the demo, tf is going on

[whole burrow]

Welcome.
U can only hope and pray it gets fixed.
Hope i could help.

[fervent void]

me too, im refunding until something happens, not putting a bad review just a huge dissapointment considering ive been playing the beta since like 2023

[drifting prawn]

its def an older build that the devs didnt fully test before release its sad that its like this

[fervent void]

100%

[whole burrow]

I wonder if they couldn't finish the build they wanted to actually release, and instead of delaying we got whatever we have now, or if it is just actually this bad.

[drifting prawn]

im sure this is not what they wanted or something could have happened with the files of the build we were supposed to get like a month or week before it released so they had to use a earlier build and make that playable as fast as possible would make sense as to why we dont have a working free play mode and all these bugs

[cloud moss]

Someone gave a good theory, they rushed the launch to build loads of hype and get loads of sales

If i had to guess why the game is in such a buggy state, is because they added a bunch of things into the game, and the newest build did not run very well performance wise, so they decided to fall back on an older version that ran "better"

[whole burrow]

Whatever it is, i'm sure they will be able to fix it and restore balance in the universe

[cloud moss]

Yes, there has been a lot of hate rn because of it, personally I think people should refund for now until the game is in a semi playable state

[whole burrow]

I will wait until the 2 week refund period is at the end, with the hopes it will stabilize until then, while i can also check in on performace optimizations 🙂

[cloud moss]

Yes but for them to do that, awareness has to be raised for them to use an "average" rig, that most of their player base uses, if they optimised the game for something like a rtx 2060 or equivalent then id say most people would be happy (optimising a game for these cars should never include forcing the player to use upscaling, as that is cheap and lazy)

[whole burrow]

I mean, i have the AMD "Equivalent" of a 4060, and i get at Best 70 Frames, (With AA, since without it it looks like i'm playing in 4:3 or smth)

[fervent void]

Lol, even with upscaling, the game still runs like Shi, it would be good if they add a framegen implementation

What I'm confused about is if they knew the game was in a state it was in now, bugs and unoptimised ect.. why rush a release, I get they did it for 'hype' and quick cash, but 80% of people will probably end up refunding

Which defo isn't a good look for the devs

[whole burrow]

At least you nVidia people get upscaling?
AMD Runs baseline worse, but also we got zero of our features implemented that might even help us lol

[fervent void]

AMD didn't get upscaling at all?

[whole burrow]

We don't really know what went on in the background, that made this happen, but hopefully it gets fixed

[whole burrow]

We have the "Dlss" button, but it obviously does nothing on our end lol

[hollow osprey]

hmm

settings?

[fervent void]

Mid setting

[hollow osprey]

do you have dlss on

[fervent void]

Nah

For me dlss doesn't do much at all

[hollow osprey]

are you on dx11 or dx12

cause im running it 60 fps medium settings on a rtx 4070

[fervent void]

Dx12 I think I was, I refunded it now xd

At 1440p?

[hollow osprey]

1080p

[fervent void]

I was at 1440 that's why xd

[hollow osprey]

ehhh i dont think its that

the devs def shouldve focused on optimization a lot more

like a lot

more

[fervent void]

Agreed

More ue5 slop

[hollow osprey]

yeah

i mean the demo was really good

[fervent void]

100% had like 200hrs

Was great

[hollow osprey]

yeah i had like 50 hours

[drifting prawn]

as a ex ue5 dev unreal engine is who you can blame for most of this

[fervent void]

Yeah, it doesn't help that they added so much for a small game though, it was already demanding, but the huge new maps and endless customisation has made it worse

[whole burrow]

I mean, its epic games made slop, no wonder.

[drifting prawn]

for real like if you go in camera you can see how much of the map they are rendering

[fervent void]

It's just abit annoying cuz I know and most ppl do, that the Devs coulda done alot better, all the hype and years waiting and it was a flop, I get it's early access but it coulda been abit of a smoother launch to say the least

[fervent void]

Fr doesn't help that the graphics are still kinda mid 🙈

Spose that's all I can run at the moment tho so 💔

[whole burrow]

A huge problem is, that a lot of people are like really LOUD about how Mad they are, like sure, i get it, but what do you want to do about it? Just wait and hope for the best. Let's not overwhelm the devs even more, just give a normal feedback and wait yk.

[fervent void]

Yeah spose so, that's why I didn't do a negative review, (cuz most of em are negative)

[spiral seal]

there's some workaeounds

[whole burrow]

I didn't give one either, i still have my hopes up, a negative review will not achieve anything, its been 2 days since release. Even tho it is not great rn.

[spiral seal]

DX 12, and set blood to low is a start

then there's config files you can use

[fervent void]

I guess, but the whole game is about blood, brutality and death (in a nutshell) it completely takes the point away from the experience

[fathom palm]

performance does seem to be really inconsistent, some people with 3060s are getting 30fps

[whole burrow]

https://giphy.com/gifs/feel-fridge-empty-6oFNB3JPuLpAs

[spiral seal]

the game is about roguelike physics based fighting

[whole burrow]

DX12 literally has a -10% fps on me

[fervent void]

Yes but without gore, mainly the point in the experience, it's not fun

[spiral seal]

free play completely takes the point away from the experience

yet people play it

anyway blood/gore isn't that big a performance boost

[drifting prawn]

but it still should be an option

[fervent void]

Loll

[whole burrow]

Some of us are a little sick in the head and just want to cut people apart or smth. I'm here for the physics mainly.

[spiral seal]

dx12 on specific cards and rendering settings on any cards

just render less trees bro

[fervent void]

Agreed, if I spend 20 dollars, I wanna play how it should 🗿

[whole burrow]

Gaming is supposed to be fun, not a chore. Its like saying "keep Inventory is cheating" in minecraft. Let me play how i want to play. Its single player, i am doing no harm to anyone.

[fervent void]

Agreed 💯

[spiral seal]

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[fervent void]

What's an even bigger problem is every game is gonna be ue5, and so far most games that are on it, are either underwhelming, or straight up unplayable. I pray to the lord GTA 6 will run decent

[drifting prawn]

listen tequila likes roguelikes and miklos and vxnished like freeplay sometimes and honestly for a game to be decent i think both of those should be available

[fervent void]

Knowing rockstar tho they should cook

[spiral seal]

duh my only issue is bros projecting his preference on what "the point of the game" is

anyway I pasted the two fixes that should give frames

like 10 of em

[fervent void]

But having no gore or blood completely takes the fun out of it

[surreal cape]

everybody recomended dx12 on first day because slum map wasnt playable, it had 5fps on dx11 when looking at trees

[spiral seal]

for you

[whole burrow]

I had even worse FPS on DX12 like huh

[fervent void]

For 90% of the people, I've read so many posts that complain on it as to how the game isn't fun without it

[spiral seal]

I haven't

[fervent void]

You should have a look online 👍

[spiral seal]

and I read like half the threads here

[surreal cape]

after they made hotfix i also started having issues with dx12

[whole burrow]

It is still your personal opinion, you can't just force people to play a SinglePlayer game in a way YOU like it.

[spiral seal]

god yall are fucking thick I don't have enough time or crayons to deal with this

[fervent void]

Plus, without blood and gore, you won't see damage you dealt, again, ruining it

[fervent void]

Okay buddy 💔

[surreal cape]

but for most of people thats the only chance to play

[fervent void]

It is yeah, but most don't like or want it that way

But this thicko wants to change how single players should be played

[heavy shard]

yet some people with epic settings are getting 80+ fps in slums with the 3080, odd

[whole burrow]

Why does it matter how i play the game i play ALONE????

[fervent void]

Fr💔💔

[surreal cape]

yea and progression mode is boring, i played 6 hours for now and all i was doing is just grinding this contracts

demo was more fun to play

[fervent void]

Agreed tbf

[drifting prawn]

yall shouldnt argue about what yall play we can all agree the game has issues thats what these are for

[fervent void]

No weird UI, and better performance

[drifting prawn]

i enjoyed the demo because of the freedom

but the release does progression very well

[fervent void]

100%

[drifting prawn]

unfortunately progression is the only thing there

[fervent void]

I did like the progression, just the UI for me anyways wasn't my go2

[surreal cape]

I think if there were no problems with perfomance, people that stopped playing after 30 minutes would find out that the game has a bunch of other problems

[whole burrow]

The UI is kind of confusing. Progression system is GOATED ITS REALLY GOOD, but i still prefer to be able to fist fight, or just get any loadout i want and go batshit crazy with it, i don't care about any of this progression fr.

[drifting prawn]

there are def alot for example the wagon you cant even reach in there without having a box under you and that is a hard thing to do lol makes me wonder if the devs even tested the stuff

[fervent void]

If you like 30 FPS with drops, then that's your opinion, but for me it's just hell

[drifting prawn]

fps is a game killer for sure but i still see lots of issues even at 60 or 90 fps

[surreal cape]

im restarting it every 5-10mins, because after this time it becomes unplayable, but the first 5 minutes are like 30-60 fps on slum and valley

[fervent void]

Fr, I remember finally finishing the last boss in the demo to get the gold armor, there was a glitch where you could play as the last boss against just peasants, it was so fun slaughtering them 🗿

I miss being able to random select goated weapons, being able to buy them and craft is cool, but I'm not all for that in my opinion

[drifting prawn]

the freeplay is what i saw alot of people play most the demos progression was super fun and got popular because moist showed how cool it really was but freeplay and the fist fighting was a huge appeal for this game

[surreal cape]

imagine if they made a simple possibility to make some scenarios of adding alot of peasants like in totally acurate battle simulator, i would live in this game

[whole burrow]

damn i loved fist fighting

[drifting prawn]

it was better then ufc 5

[fervent void]

Agreed, fist fights were super fun

[drifting prawn]

in my opinion

it felt like a real fighting simulator

[fervent void]

Bro that would be sick. Customising a bloodbath

[drifting prawn]

well i wont say better then ufc 5 both different games but it was just so satisfying

[drifting prawn]

that would be so fun to have like a lil npc war mode

[fervent void]

Left hooking and one hitting another peasant 🤤

Gore games make me become a psycho icl 💔

[surreal cape]

or just spawn 20 naked npc and made a huge fist fight

[drifting prawn]

IT WOULD BE SO PEAK😭

[fervent void]

Maybe not naked 😭 but that would be well fun

[drifting prawn]

they def got alot of work to do

[surreal cape]

https://tenor.com/view/ishowspeed-deglove-degloving-speed-grolemcorp-gif-2628858460915389297

[fervent void]

Team of knights Vs naked peasants🗿🗿🗿

[drifting prawn]

5 on naked peasants

[surreal cape]

on custom map like slum where everyone slips

[fervent void]

The Devs better read this chat ITS SO PEAK

[drifting prawn]

maybe even being able to throw them around wiht your mouse

[drifting prawn]

the devs after reading all the things people want added

https://tenor.com/view/sweaty-sweat-heat-hot-wipe-sweat-gif-17716050

[surreal cape]

and its simple

just optimized sandbox

[fervent void]

Lmfao

I wouldn't say simple, but it can 100% be improved

[drifting prawn]

they really need to make it better ill never feel the pain from going to free play and seeing "random match"

[fervent void]

It's not gonna run well for everyone, considering most people in steam pc rigs have like a 3060

[drifting prawn]

very true

[fervent void]

Just look at the new ue5 Lego batman coming out

Shit needs a 3080?!

[surreal cape]

thats crazy

[drifting prawn]

ue5 needs to be abolished

unreal engine is gonna make gaming cost 10k

[fervent void]

Look at ts

[drifting prawn]

Holy fuck

[fervent void]

32 in this economy?!

[drifting prawn]

MIND YOU FOR A LEGO GAME😭

[surreal cape]

and i think this is for 1080p

60 fps

[surreal cape]

with some fsr

[drifting prawn]

BRING DEVS BACK TO UNITY😭

or even source lolol

[fervent void]

If that's true pc gaming is potentially over

[surreal cape]

and some people thinks that is gamers problems

[drifting prawn]

there gonna make games so unplayable that you have to use nvidias ai cloud gaming

thats the real gaming killer

[fervent void]

Lmao real

[drifting prawn]

so you have to pay a subscription to run your games

[fervent void]

It's a shame that most games nowadays require framegen and stuff for an okay experience

I won't complain tho, 400 FPS in 4k on tlou 2 🤷‍♀️

[surreal cape]

i think in future they will made some thing that will generate a game in real time by ai

[fervent void]

Imagine xd

I tried an ai mod for Minecraft, shit was so funny

[surreal cape]

ahahah yea

schizo time

[fervent void]

You look away and look back and it's completely different

[whole burrow]

"yo boss the game runs like absolute dogshit, what do we do?"
"Whatever man make the people buy a 5090 or run fsr and dlss, not our problem, also throw frame gen in there"

[subtle shadow]

I have an Intel gpu and i gotta chose either i get 20 fps with dx11 but blood works fine or i get good fps with dx12 but the blood is messed up. This sucks man

[opal flare]

don know what happened to my game, but since this afternoon the game didn't lag at all, except of course for the slums map

[tawny terrace]

This is super weird.

CPU and GPU utilization are medium for the former and basically nonexistent for the lattter

Game is still running very very poorly

[loud swan]

Tbh I think they fixed something cuz it runs decently smooth now on the sound map. (Ig I changed foliage to low in settings)

[spiral seal]

they've rolled out 2 optimization updates by now

[cloud moss]

Framegen is the last thing you wanna use in a game like this, if you have 40fps and use frame gen, you'll be lucky to get 70 fps and you will feel the delay and it will be very smeary

[livid stirrup]

Ue5 and capcom ree engine has great frame gen

[shadow mortar]

on a 4090 and getting 30-45 fps low graphics when armour is involved, 60 to 100 without

[tawny terrace]

Example of some of the crazy stuttering that comes out of the blue, and, again, low CPU and GPU utilization

DX11 (currently) and medium settings.

[cloud moss]

this is either vram issue or the game isnt properly being handled, try use fullscreen or bordeless see if they make any difference

[cloud moss]

just because the framegen is implemented great does not mean you should ever use it as a last resort method for bad performance, that is just stupid

[jaunty rain]

^ it's a win-more feature, not a low end improvement feature

[urban plinth]

ive heard there are issues with AMD cards, have you tried dx12? if you have, try switching all to low too, or wait for a fix with the AMD cards

[tawny terrace]

I've tried these, yes

[tawny terrace]

AMD card, yeah, I'm just gonna.. keep waiting for them to acknowledge that those exist, I suppose, lol.

Good luck Intel GPU havers

[urban plinth]

yeah lol they fucked that up sadly

[empty ridge]

oh yeah

this is egregious

no wonder the demo runs so much better

it was comfortably sitting at like 80-90% usage

this is at fucking 15% lol

this might just be the main performance issue

it doesnt use any of your resources at all

[tawny terrace]

I have a lo tof power please use it :(

[livid stirrup]

I dont listen to NPCs like you. I can make my own due dillogence and not follow naratoves like sheep.

I play rpgs on 30fps and framegen 4x makes the 30fps much better than on native. Some games like KCD2 creTes smear and stutters and blur with FG.
I always turn on FG if the game allows to turn off Dlss because that thong makes my eyesight worse be 0.3 points.

You know whats worse than DLSS and lower resolution?
If you couldnt guess its GFN cloud streaming. 5k2k streaming makes the game look 1080p at 5k res, and most games dont have reflex built into for GFN

[tepid fossil]

every time I've tried loading into progression mode for the past day it's just been like this. I can't move, can't open menu, can't do anything but stare at this and I've tried to dig into the game files to reset it but literally just does this. I've tried reinstalling the game, digging into my PC's save files, steam files, etc. Like bruh.

unrelated topic, but the Early Access Game's desktop icon is SIGNIFICANTLY lower resolution than the tech demo's.

[cloud moss]

Now youre just pissing me off cus youre a fucking idiot😭 If you really think FG works well while playing at 30 fps, youre just dumb lol, lets not forget, halfsword is a game that requires quick motion and reaction time, and already 30fps in unacceptable in any type of game due to the delay, and adding frame gen onto that makes the delay even higher💔 Ive played on an Xbox one and Xbox 360, I know what 30 fps feels like, and it is not good, just because MFG makes it look kinda like 120 fps, doesn't mean the game is any more responsive, its less responsive

[livid stirrup]

Bcuz i played it and know it works

[fervent void]

Trust me, 30fps using 4x framegen sucks ass

[livid stirrup]

I dont play competitive games so it doesnt bother me ther much. Reflex is incredibly good with FG. Not every game is good with FG

[cloud moss]

Exactly bro

[fervent void]

If you think it's playable at all you have no pc knowledge at all

[livid stirrup]

It depends pn game

[fervent void]

Reflex is good yes, but until reflex 2 comes out, no it's not for 30

[cloud moss]

Holy shit youre so stupid, MFG with reflex HAS MORE INPUT DELAY THAN 30 FPS WITHOUT MFG

[fervent void]

And if you have high latency, maybe 60-70plus, reflex doesn't do much

[livid stirrup]

Why do you care about input delay when you dont need to execute input brtween 100ms react time?

[cloud moss]

30 fps without reflex has less input delay than mfg with relfex

[livid stirrup]

So what but experience and fluidity is garbage and blur is terrible and jitering

[fervent void]

Framegen on low FPS looks good to the eye, but not good at all during gameplay, at least for this game anyways

[livid stirrup]

NEW World had bad frame gen

[fervent void]

If you got a high end 50 series, input lag if having a baseline of 60 frames is completely unnoticeable

Idk which you have tho

[livid stirrup]

I dont defend it. Bad implementation is shit

[cloud moss]

Lets add on the visual delay that comes with playing at a lower fps, yes when you turn mfg on, your base fps always drops by about 10 to 15%, now if I need to make a move to block a hit, and theres about a 100ms time frame to do that, by the time I've seen it, and I go to block the hit, because I have 100ms of delay its physically impossible for me to block that hit

[fervent void]

Does the game even support framegen?

[cloud moss]

That's assuming we have a 1ms reaction time which isnt even possible

[cloud moss]

Yes, theres an option for it

[livid stirrup]

For my standards i need 5090 or rtx 6000 bcuz i like to play rpg games without AA and Dlss off on 4k ressk. For the moment i was able towchieve good results in visual clarity good sharpening and decent fps with 4x FG ON, DLSS off, 4kDSR 4x (to 8k)

[fallen yew]

Guys if you play on dx12 you get a boost in performance

[fervent void]

Good luck with that, every upcoming game will be unoptimised

[cloud moss]

Okay youre just dumb lol, DLSS is better than DSR

[livid stirrup]

Lol dlss is garbage that only adds blur and smear

[cloud moss]

Someone made a video comparing 360p upscaled to 720p using dlss and 4k downscaled to 720p and they looked practically the same

[fervent void]

Holy shit this guy is a fucking crayon

[livid stirrup]

4.5 is better but most games have dlss2 and those ue5 dlss games have TAA

Or smaa

[cloud moss]

LOL

[livid stirrup]

I dont beed npc opinion eho didnt test his theories

I did test different ways and k ow what works

[fervent void]

Has bro not heard of being able to override dlss 4.5 and override dlss???

[cloud moss]

You can use dlss 4.5 on basically any game (that has dlss)through driver implementation....

[fervent void]

I'm guessing your new to pc gaming @livid stirrup, dw mate you'll get there one day

[cloud moss]

Bro going on about didn't test his theories and doesn't know about driver override

[cloud moss]

He's fallen for the nvidia gambit

[livid stirrup]

Ehat abinch of shit i hear from you both.
You need ue5 first of all. Then it has to support dlss4. And even then it can add ghosting in some games

[cloud moss]

What...

Buzz word final boss??

[livid stirrup]

Kcd2 dlss 4.5 coesnt work. And Dlss adds blur and decrese fps on nwtive dlaa.

[cloud moss]

Bro talking about ghosting and UE5 in the same sentence, news flash, UE5 is known for having ghosting because thry force TSR XD

DLSS actually makes the ghosting better

☠️

[livid stirrup]

No you just turn of dlss and turn of aa and turn on Dsr

Dsr in nvidia control panel

To 4x

That solves the problem

But u need 5090

Or 4x fg

[cloud moss]

Holy shit you might be stupid, DLSS 4.5 does work on KCD2, its been tested by many people AND maybe you should inform yourself that dlss literally drops performance because newer revisions are better and harder to run

[fervent void]

Then your pc is rigged, works fine for me and improves visual clarity, and performance when using it how it's meant to be used (4k using performance or balanced dlss)

[cloud moss]

There is no way you think DSR is required to play games

[livid stirrup]

You means DlSS (DLAA) INCREASES FPS ?

[fervent void]

😭

[livid stirrup]

It decreses fps by 10%

Dlaa is native rendering

[cloud moss]

Bro do you have a brain

[fervent void]

Because your using it wrong you fkn melt

[cloud moss]

DSR is ABOVE native rendering

[fervent void]

No shit sherlock

[livid stirrup]

But you lnow that ue5 has jaged edges and shimering problem without dlss taa or smaa or DSR ?

and DSR is best aa out there

[cloud moss]

Bro saw one nvidia ad, started dribbling and pulled out his credit card

[fervent void]

Ue5 has many problems, you don't need to be Einstein to figure that out

[fervent void]

Lmfao

[cloud moss]

You gotta be a dumbass like @livid stirrup to not

[livid stirrup]

But i told ypu that i have solution that makes great visual clarity very little latency and Aa solution

[cloud moss]

Bro😭

[fervent void]

Doesn't for me, even using dlss, but I do have the one of the best you can get for 50 series

[cloud moss]

This guy is ragebaiting

[cloud moss]

Using DSR and MFG X4 is gonna throw your latency into the gutter

[livid stirrup]

Just test this.
Dsr 4x
Turn off DLSS
Turn on FG 4x
Reflex properly working

And most importantly rpg game not competitive shooter.

Then above 35-40 fps as baseline

[fervent void]

Tried framegen on a 5050 that my brother had, using that exact combo, shit had 250+ ms in cyberpunk

[gentle tree]

Is it seriously so much to ask for yall to just respect each other in your communication

Why do I have to say this on every thread i go to

[fervent void]

Not when your trying to help a melted crayon

[livid stirrup]

Read this u ignorant

Just test this.
Dsr 4x
Turn off DLSS
Turn on FG 4x
Reflex properly working

And most importantly rpg game not competitive shooter.

Then above 35-40 fps as baseline

Test this

And reprg

And report

Bcuz u didnt read. This is great solution for how UE5 is right now. But these settings rewuire 5090 or rtx 6000 to work on 4k screens

On 1080p a 5070ti should eork

[rugged sage]

Are u saying 40 fps with fg 4x on?

😭

[livid stirrup]

Yes. try. It depends on game.

[rugged sage]

Also dlss only works when you use a resolution lower than your native resolution

Thats prob why people are having issues with it

[livid stirrup]

Adds like 5-7% latency

[rugged sage]

You already have latency by using FG

[livid stirrup]

You havent tried.

[surreal cape]

maybe hes far from gaming and he is not feeling input lag

[rugged sage]

Well I'm guessing fg adds a lil bit of latency since it's 3 ai generated frames per 1 real frame

I dont think it makes much difference in half sword tho

[surreal cape]

i once tried framegen in battlefield 6 with stock 80fps and it wad horible input lag

and framegen 4x with 30 should be crazy

like running in dreams

[rugged sage]

You can still feel the lag right

[jaunty rain]

It makes it worse lol. You need good frames to counteract the input lag

[livid stirrup]

I mean it depends on game. If you try this on halfsword you the game wont run at all

Try on Monster Hunter Wilds

[slender reef]

You can’t even walk or run properly at low fps which is most the time at the later stages
My characters keeps tripping like his shoes are made of banana peels 🥀

[spiral mural]

Hi, I'm on a 3060 and here's what happens for me:
On DX11 I get good frames on every map, a bit worse on alley, a tiny little bit worse on forest, but slums is UNPLAYABLE, looking towards the camps is 18-25 fps

Then after swapping to DX12
Cellar runs fine, but now Forest, Alley, and slums have equal frame rates (30-40)
This means slums got better while the other maps got worse

Why is this the case? How does this happen

[tepid orbit]

Same

I sadly don’t know why this happens though.

[frigid juniper]

https://discord.com/channels/1043854763189600337/1468147566221852692

[spiral mural]

Why share into other threads?

[tepid orbit]

Also on I think specifically 90 series AMD cards DX12 likes making your game much more unstable.

[frigid juniper]

no rules banning it, right?

[spiral mural]

You do you I guess...

[spiral mural]

Yeah DX12 is less stable overall due to the impacts on all the maps for me, I'm not on amd though

[tepid orbit]

Like every 10 to 15 minutes you’ll crash.

It sucks cause slums on dx11 runs like absolute shit lol.

Going from solid 60 frames on forest with all medium settings to like sub 30 frames on slums lol.

1080p native

[spiral mural]

Yeep

1440p dlss low settings around 80 fps on forest

20 fps slums

[tepid orbit]

Truly amazing

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/886127891094581248/1065539824905371708/attachment-8.gif

[faint prairie]

I suppose the developers are aware that there's something wrong with that map, but they must be using us as playtesters.

[tepid orbit]

I’m a little rat in a cage called slums

[cloud moss]

Honestly just run dx 11 and ignore slums, after you get to a high enough rank the map basically doesn't pop up anymore and its not like its that good of a map either, itd annoying to play on

[spiral seal]

Im on dx12, everything to low and get maxxed out fps in cellar, hall, and arena or whatever (90)
like 20-30 in slums, 40 in forest during good times of the day, and 15 during bad ones

[cloud moss]

And dont listen to people talking about dynamic resolution as a fix as it looks terrilbr

[spiral seal]

DX 11 makes everything like 10-20 FPS worse for me

[cloud moss]

For me forest is very weird, a lot of times I get 120 fps, sometimes its 40 fps and causes the whole game to lag

[spiral seal]

but I haven't tried it since the patches

[cloud moss]

Like even going on cellar my fps drops to 40

[spiral seal]

going back to 11 I mean

[cloud moss]

Dx 11 and 12 all depends on your gpu tbh

[spiral seal]

ik

[cloud moss]

I think dx 12 does run better, but only if you have a card with a lot of RT cores

If its like an AMD card especially rdna 2, you will definitely see worse

[dusky solstice]

Same here and also in Slums. Both maps run perfectly fine sometimes, and sometimes chug like crazy.

[slender reef]

bro my run ended bc the zombies kept spawning, there was like 5 and my fps just died :C

[paper wolf]

For me the alley and the forest frames drop when I was in the Riot missions. Something to due with the increased amount of enemies. I can get a stable 90+ frames when my setting are all on low and no dlss. The slums cooks me no matter what. Didn't think I'd have such issue with a 4070.

[proper jolt]

potential memory leak? similar to the manor lords memory leak, where the performance gets worse the longer you play...

[fervent void]

why even try to play 1440p on a 3060💔

[spiral mural]

3060 is solid fro 1440p

[fervent void]

sure

[paper wolf]

I could see that being a more likely reason

[spiral mural]

Idc if you don't believe that it works for me

[fervent void]

well if you wonder why the framerate drops to 15, its most likely cuz of that, the game is unoptimized as it is.

is**

[spiral mural]

No, 1080p same fps

[fervent void]

whats ur spec

[spiral mural]

I'm in a raid rn can't talk sry

[fervent void]

@cloud moss bro did you get banned for a day yesterday?

i got banned for like 15 hrs

[spiral mural]

hi

[spiral mural]

3060, 12400f

16gb ram

3060 is the 12 VRAM model Incase there's another one I don't know about

There isn't a game I cant run above 60 fps on 1440p except unoptimized ones

[light glen]

I got RTX 3070 and both demo and the EA are around 30 fps on lowest settings

[spiral mural]

Demo??

How is demo 30

I get 90 on medium in demo

~60 on high

[light glen]

No idea why it was like that but I played around 50 hours of the demo and it was around 30 with some stutters along the way

[fervent void]

guessing thats 1440p med to high cuz in alot of games it gets like 45-58 fps with drops, even on the last of us part 2 (which isnt unoptmised)

[spiral mural]

yes not max settings ofcourse

and usually not the lowest

i played tlou at 60

[fervent void]

well every single benchamark ive watched it drops like mad, either way im saying not sure why youd do a 3060 for 1440p, but its your rig not mine

we'll see if the devs try fix things or not

[spiral mural]

people really treat the 3060 like its doodoo, but generally this is my rig because i have had it for 3 years and only got a 1440p monitor a year after, its my first gaming pc, i only used laptops and work computers since 2019

i had a square 720p monitor in 2023 💀

[sinful salmon]

I have an rtx2060 and my game runs perfectly

[atomic arch]

I think there's an old issue going on that's related to Unreal Engine specifically - ever since UE4, the engine has had an issue of wanting to cause memory leaks above 1080p. A lot of UE games have had to deal with this in the past. Insurgency sandstorm is one that comes to mind for me.

[atomic arch]

Game devs should design their games around people using the 3060 and the 4060 since they are two of the most widely used gpus according to the steam HW survey

[fervent void]

i dont treat it like its doodoo, its just not really i combo i see many ppl use, its usually a 4070 or 7800xt equivalent i see ppl use for 1440

for ur first pc its good

mine was a gtx 980 back in 2014

[atomic arch]

I don't remember what my first gpu was, but my second one and the first time I had really done my research was a Radeon HD 6950 in 2010

Now I'm still running my Radeon 6950XT from 2022 lmao

[heavy shard]

in slums?

[cyan oriole]

on slums day one it ran 40 but now it's dropped to 20-30

[cloud moss]

I got 60 min timeout lol

The mod prob got vexed cus u got rowdy with him😭

[shell elbow]

So can someone tell me if the game runs ok now?

🐴

[cloud moss]

The game still definitely does need some sort of actual optimising as they have just been focusing (atleast for now) to remove foliage on the slums map and not actually any optimisng

[cloud moss]

If your game ran bad on any map it won't run any better

[shell elbow]

they should genuinely add a wall and not render the entire earth behind the fence

[cloud moss]

Only on slums and forest

[light pasture]

no it dont run at all now

[shell elbow]

oh no i was getting like good 80-100 frames on most maps except night maps and slums

Or so it felt like

great idea to put the tourneys on the courtyard since that runs the best

I'm just waiting on them to fix the blood checkerboard issue for AMD users

[cloud moss]

The biggest problem is the game uses no baked shadows, and just went all in with lumen, if they actually did something smart and NOT use lumen, and actually did game optimisations😭 the game wouldnt run like its cyberpunk on RT overdrive

[shell elbow]

the only thing baked here are the devs releasing the game in a bad state 😔

[cloud moss]

The devs obviously just never focused on making a playable product, but to deliver one fast

So much feels rushed

[agile magnet]

dont understand why they don't just give an option to disable foliage, i get perfect performance on every map but slums and forest, clearly foliage is the issue or atleast one of them

[jaunty rain]

you can via the console 😄

[tepid orbit]

https://tenor.com/view/bleak-it's-bleak-shaking-head-its-bleak-black-and-white-gif-9592734580409210082

[heavy shard]

I disabled foliage and it still runs bad

[sudden lion]

even after another blood patch for amd users i still get this

was only one hit to the neck

[agile magnet]

how did u disable foliage?

also im pretty sure its the lighting

i think it uses lumen instead of baked in lighting

which is CRAZY if that's the case

no wonder noone can run it

[fervent void]

I run better frames at 4k path tracing in cyberpunk then ts 💔

[vocal musk]

I noticed that my Performance seems to tank the longer I play the game, switching between different maps causes it. Seems to be GPU-bound load

[fervent void]

Happens for me on demo too, after awhile it loads too much to process

[fervent void]

What's Ur rig?

[vocal musk]

Uh, R7 5700X3D, 32GB, Radeon RX6600. DX12, Minimum settings, Linux

[fervent void]

What Res?

Guessing 1080?

[vocal musk]

1080

[fervent void]

What frame rate do you get when you first boot up the game (average)

[fervent void]

Nice rig btw

[vocal musk]

I have it locked at 60, and it can reach that easily

With each map switch it loses like 5%, 20 if I go to a different map

I need to legit reboot the game every 4-5 fights to maintain performance

[fervent void]

Yh same, the same happens for me on a 5080, it's not Ur rig or nun but the game glitches with textures and stuff for me after like 25 mins

[vocal musk]

And it's all GPU load

[fervent void]

When I first boot mine is at 100% then drops to like 20% after 25 Ish mins

[barren yarrow]

So memory leak?

[vocal musk]

I don't want t osay Memory leak, but... Yeah, there's definitely some Garbage issues

It does seem to be some kind of a VRAM issue, would be my guess

It seems to run the smoothest when I don't have the needs maxed out...

For some reason, alt-tabbing out of the game reduces VRAM usage and improves performance??

FAlse alarm

It's not just VRAM related

[cloud moss]

i have this same thing too, it doesnt seem like a memory leak, in my case when using linux, vram usage is at 7 gb at most, and i think that when you switch map sometimes the other map does not unload, causing really bad lag

ive noticed that sometimes in the tavern im getting 30 fps

like after playing for 1 hr, i get this fluctuation in frame rate, where ill get 100 on the forest map, and 2 games later itll be at 60, still only fighting 1 bot

but then sometimes itll just increase for no reason

[barren yarrow]

It could be lighting?

[cloud moss]

but it honestly amazes me how the only optimisation theyve done has been cpu bound, yet, it still runs like garbage

[cloud moss]

its all the lighting tbh

[barren yarrow]

The time of day affect my fps so much

[cloud moss]

they decided that using lumen is a good idea

[barren yarrow]

Please bake the lighting

[cloud moss]

yes

[barren yarrow]

I lowkey wanna see the wireframe of slum

[cloud moss]

you cant bake lighting with lumen i think, like at all, they shouldve just used normal raster techniques than lumen, because tahts where 90% of their issues come from

[barren yarrow]

I don’t have any experience with Lumen

Idk how it works

[cloud moss]

basically its Ray Tracing for all lights and shadows

even more basic, the game devs are super lazy when it comes to graphics so they just turned on lumen instead of dealing with the issues the others can cause

[barren yarrow]

Ohh

[cloud moss]

its why some AMD cards just crash when using dx12 because i think dx12 uses some sort of feature in lumen that AMD cannot do

[barren yarrow]

I really hoped they’d focus on pure optimisation so they could eventually scale up

But it seems like they’re doing it the other way round - and just tacking things on and optimising later

I fear that could lead to a lot of deep set issues that won’t become apparent until it’s too much of a hassle to fix

[cloud moss]

its really funny because instead of not using lumen, they are jut getting rid of all the foliage on slums

which btw doesnt really help

[barren yarrow]

Bruh

At least LOD first 😭

[cloud moss]

another thing, they used UE5 tree and foliage system i think which is insanellyy demanding

[barren yarrow]

I might be wrong but I don’t think any of the trees (even super far) are LOD

[spiral seal]

hearing this makes me worried my 20 bucks is just gonna be a price for the fun times with demo

[cloud moss]

i wouldnt be surpised if like 3 gigs of the 10 gig game is just slums tbh

[spiral seal]

and the 2 kill-me-tier fps days I had with the new game

honestly im chill with it

but hoped for more

[barren yarrow]

I don’t know what changed between the demo and EA

[spiral seal]

ie 1080p lowest settings producing 60 fps on a potato let alone an outdated gaming rig

[cloud moss]

i mean the devs could very much recover the state of the game rn, but if they are really spending like 2 whole days to drop a hotfix that all it does is remove assets, thats kinda crazy

[barren yarrow]

But it’s like it was taken over by a completely different team

[cloud moss]

60 fps would be a dream for slums

[spiral seal]

tbh I would fuck with "slums but everything outside the interactable arena is blank"

like

I beg

[cloud moss]

either delete slums or make the background void

[spiral seal]

something, anything that produces consistent very high fps on lowest setting

slums AND forest btw

forest is even worse at night

and one other time of day

[barren yarrow]

I haven’t played forest yet

[spiral seal]

bro wym I finished the progression in like

a day

and I am a s s

[barren yarrow]

I think they just need some non UE devs lol

[spiral seal]

and all of my slums matches and like half the forest ones were battled at 20 fps

[cloud moss]

i somehow get ok fps on forest

i am playing lowest so there is not a blade of grass within 100 meters

[spiral seal]

forest at night?

there are like 4-5 times of day

and forest only chugs on two of them

the rest are fine somehow

[cloud moss]

i get 50 fps

on like the one where u fight 4 people

at night

[spiral seal]

oo

[cloud moss]

if its like just a champion its about 60-70

[subtle vector]

After the newest update my frametimes are fucking heavenly, it feels like butter now, this only changed after setting the three new settings to high

weirdly it ran like ass on low

blood is still borked

but my fps in the bottom left is really good

[spiral seal]

wait what

[surreal cape]

same on rx6600 xt

[spiral seal]

how

Im gonna be honest I didnt feel like it was a bold prediction to assume that lowering settings can only ever increase FPS

like worst case it's 0.01 better on average

how can it be worse 😭

[subtle vector]

Bro it's running like the demo right now

no joke

[spiral seal]

give settings

im struggling on everything minimum

well, nowhere near as much anymore

and only in forest and slums

but ya

[subtle vector]

i do have a 9070xt

and a 7800x3d

so obviously there is some power behind me

but

[surreal cape]

im gonna test this

for science

what the fuck

how

[spiral seal]

wait what

[surreal cape]

i got 60fps 1440p on every map

slum is exception

[spiral seal]

bro I had fucking reflex on 💀

[subtle vector]

reflex kept turning itself on for me, but after this new patch it's hard off

[spiral seal]

yeah I just... set it to low

I assumed that put everything to worst settings

can you not choose the map in free play?

[surreal cape]

only in progression

[spiral seal]

I never touch that mode but I need to test slums and nighttime forest specifically

wth

what is the point of free play if not letting you do what you want when you want

[spiral seal]

like, having to unlock it in progression is divisive for sure

but like

[subtle vector]

the abyss runs pretty well now

[spiral seal]

I cant even unlock the maps? 💀

[surreal cape]

you need to reach 4 rank at least

to choose from all maps

[spiral seal]

I have half the baron gear

[surreal cape]

i mean to choose contract

[spiral seal]

in progression

[marble oar]

i had the same problem, i uninstalled the game and deleted the temporary half sword files in appdata and i finally got it off

[surreal cape]

you should have everything

[spiral seal]

I dont see a "select map" in free play

which like

I would expect

ya know

thats all

[surreal cape]

everyone expected

from free play

[spiral seal]

thats what im talking about
the only bad thing I heard about free play was that you had to unlock everything by experiencing it in progression first
I didnt expect that choosing the map was not something you had to unlock but rather something you just couldnt do lmao

alr good to know

[surreal cape]

and you cant choose type of fight

alot of people wanted fist fight mode in free play

[spiral seal]

holy fuck

youre so right

in the forest I get 40 fps

turn it from low to medium?

[marble oar]

the update helped the optimisation a bit but not by a lot unfortunately

[spiral seal]

50

h o w

[subtle vector]

seemed to have ticked some switch for me

I'm glad i at least get to play the game i paid for finally

[spiral seal]

turn it back to low
60

I am so confused

[marble oar]

yeah and it's good to see the devs really care and try to improve it as soon as they can

[spiral seal]

I think its uh

I set it to epic, just for science
12 fps
back to low
... still 12 fps

all the bushes did disappear and it is on low

this is

load up new map on low
24 fps
set it to medium
24 fps
set it to high
44

there is just

0 logic to any of the settings' effect

tab out
come back
50 fps

and this isnt like "oh I looked at it for a split second while its adjusting" no, this is running around for 5s before the fps stabilizes

[sinful salmon]

-on slums my fps drops by like 10 but it isn't horrible

[paper wolf]

wow the patch helped a lot. I can run dx12 on medium and some things on high and keep a solid 50-60 fps on slums and forest

[spiral seal]

Funnily enough city street seems to be the new boogeyman

runs worse than slums or forest

still a lot better than those two did before mind you

[dusky solstice]

seems to be some kind of fog effect now in the alley, maybe thats why? If its not new I hadnt noticed it previously at the very least

[faint crow]

So my PC have an RTX 3050 6GB I5-13420H and 16GB Ram DDR5, and when the game launched it was absolute garbage, the demo was running pretty fine with the graphics on high at 60 fps without any problems, but the EA wasn't getting even 30 fps in medium graphics with dlss in performance mode, thank God for my happiness after the 3 updates they made, the game is now running in medium decently, the dlss is working at quality medium it's getting 50-60 fps without problems, except for the slums there it will get bellow 30 fps and in the carnage fights or fights that have more than one enemy it drops a little too, at least it's playable now, maybe they will get the perfect performance soon.

[fervent void]

It's recommended is a 4070, I highly doubt your gonna get much more performance then you already are, even with new updates

[faint crow]

I've runned some heavy games like expedition 33, Kingdom come deliverance 2, even Black myth Wukong that have a really bad optimization was fine, I expect half sword being half sword to run a little better, even if it's not in high settings

But anyway I just wanted to tell people that have a setup similar to mine, that they can play they game now a little better

[cloud moss]

I just seen a video of how immense the slums map is and its crazy😭 i swear someone got dedicated to that map and got bored

[static pecan]

not sure if this has been talked about in this thread, but for me, the game runs alright, expect in tourneys after round 3-4, the drops items don't disappear after rounds. so it adds up and causes frame drops by round 4, it just gets worse, i feel like an option to clear items and blood on the floor before each round would be nice, (even for other gamemodes with 2 or more rounds) also can we get more setting presets for optimization? like low > very low > potato basically ultra low graphics for better performance..

[humble tundra]

All low settings, i get 20 fps in the slums. 4060 Ti.

Like, i can run cyberpunk with ray tracing on ultra, i can run red dead on max settings. Sure they don't simulate some physics stuff like half sword does, but i mean, the simulated stuff is present in maps that run well too, so maybe guys, it's not an issue with ppl pcs, but simply the game being crazy unoptimized.

[rugged sage]

EHH enuth hbut thats a TreE yer old yeepeuh

https://tenor.com/view/ras-lmixeur-bahloul-gif-18258457

There was a guy who genuinely said a 3080 was outdated btw and that's why the game ran badly on it

[runic tapir]

nepo baby core

[proper jolt]

Imagine a perfect world where UE5 doesn’t exist lowkey and Half Sword was made on an optimized in house engine or smth

[cloud moss]

Yea I have had the tourney things, the very low graphics is prob a bad idea cus all they gonna do is make your resolution lower and call it a day, just like they did for playtest

[cloud moss]

Lol this was a narrative spun by game devs probably so they can put less work into their games, Old or not, the rtx 3060 and anything equivalent or similar in performance are the most used gpus, if I had to guess, at least 30% of the market is using something between a rtx 2060 - rtx 4070 which are now deemed as low end and mid low end

[vital shoal]

i have an rx 9060 xt and its like a mid-high range gpu and the game runs pretty badly

[cloud moss]

I know😭

The game is also extremely cpu based

Its just very intense in general

[vital shoal]

dude my gpu is at literally 0%

and my cpu is over 100%

[cloud moss]

What's your cpu?

[vital shoal]

amd ryzen 5 9600x

[cloud moss]

Damn😭

[vital shoal]

Bruh its a good decent cpu

[cloud moss]

Dude this game is so shit, for you to run it adequately it wants a intel chip that has way too many useless cores, or a ryzen 9 and a gpu that is a rtx 4080 or equivalent

Oh and dont have an amd gpu because the game devs are too ignorant to test other hardware

[vital shoal]

other than the optimization the game is pretty good

wdym not have an amd gpu😭

[cloud moss]

All I've heard is bugsand crashes causes because people use amd because they didn't test the game

[vital shoal]

yep i mean it is a really new game and i feel like if they get some more proper funding that they will be able to test on AMD gpus

[cloud moss]

They definitely have funding they just rushed the game

[vital shoal]

Yeah i mean they did give us like a really early release date i was genuinely expecting it to release a bit more near 2027

[sage jay]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1043854764095582260/1468310134362083470/HalfSwordDemo-2026-02-039-15-38PM-ezgif.com-crop-video_online-video-cutter.com_3.gif

[late tiger]

create a game profile no reason you should be running at 30 frames with a 4070. Epic is demanding - even on a 7900xtx

no not this please

[dusky solstice]

bro is choking a willie with his willie's willie

[late tiger]

Process Lasso helps a lot with CPU intensive games - coming from EFT - this tool helped me clean up memory caches - yes there are system methods but the tool (free) is very useful for those folks who don't dabble in system settings (unlock ultimate performance beyond energy settings if you can handle it)

[runic fossil]

I think the NPC logic is probably really expensive because the game seems to slow down a lot when there are more than three of them in a fight

or the willie models are too high poly so having too many slows it down

[proper jolt]

DX11 runs way better for me but looks really butt ugly even on high... Probably due to the visual bugs (though some are still present in DX12, like the shimmery trees in slums). Something is wrong with the shadows in the Arena fences, too... In the demo, the shadows actually worked normally, but now? They don't seem to be there at all most of the time, unless you look at it from a certain angle, but it's this weird on and off effect for the shadows for some reason...

I hope both DX12 and DX11 are fixed. DX12 and DX11 both for optimization, and also DX11 to also be a more optimized/easy to run option while also not looking drastically ugly compared to DX12... It should be more complex lighting/graphics for DX12, but the vibe and some quality should still be there on DX11 for those that want a decent looking game that runs relatively good. Like the demo, which for me, the only difference was the lightingh between DX11 and DX12. DX11 should look nice too :3

[cloud moss]

Dx 12 uses more lumen, dx 11 uses it way less

And lumen is ass anyways

It looks good but runs like shit

[proper jolt]

Classic UE5

[winged turret]

Ngl slums runs a bit better now

Maybe 10fps more than b4?

still needs a bit of work though, esp when facing away from the castle

[formal sonnet]

they NEED to optimize those hairs

istg

or add an option for everyone to be bald

because like

the hair physics are idk

heavy

my pc cant take it

i mean it can but

it lags

a lot

[rugged sage]

nah not even

shit causes smearing

😭

[hazy zenith]

nah doesnt look good

[fervent void]

Just tried the demo again, on dx12 ultra on 1440p I'm getting 100 FPS, and on the main game same settings in the same area as demo 40 Ish 😭

Still brutal ash

[fervent void]

Just changed pc case yesterday

🤤

[formal sonnet]

Holy

[livid stirrup]

Why would you recommend to ppl rtx 4000 series at all, when the new latest updates and support from NVIDIA is always favouring the latest at that time? Especialy when we are talking about Newest Games released recently?
Prices of 4000 series arent good to be justified

[fervent void]

just cuz NVidia favors new updates for 5000 series doesn't mean the 4000 series isn't good lmao. the game is simply unoptimized, and there are second hand pristine condition 4080's for me that go for 600

this game eats vram for breakfast also so thats why they reccomend higher end builds. thats why i get confused on all these kids crying that their 3050 cant run ts.

[livid stirrup]

I would buy 5070ti gtx for ~800 anytime over 4080 for 650. I learned my lesson. 5000 may have less raw powerf but faster vram and newest games run way way better as nvidia want people to buy crom them. And not second hand from other people . This company is greediest of them all.

They know what you couldnt even imagine.

[plucky kestrel]

they probably could run the demo and expected them to run the half sword ea

but there still is a lot of optimization problems regardless

[fervent void]

Good luck finding one for 800, but yh a 5070ti oc'd is faster than a 4080super but it's still not a bad option

[fervent void]

Guess so, just wish they would stop crying about it

[plucky kestrel]

it runs fine now

the real problems in the game are like

wrist control

the wrists are flimsy

and stabbing

[livid stirrup]

1000 eur for 5070 ti right now cheapest models

[unborn turtle]

For me performance is v e r y iffy. I run at a comfortable 70 fps on medium with dlss on ultra performance (rtx2060), which I don't mind, but then it turns to slush, around 10 fps on the slums and especially the forest. It also seems to vary with the time of day (ingame) and sometimes, it's just random spikes of 10 fps on any map for about a minute, to then come back. My performance also doesn't seem to change much changing the video settings, so I would guess it's either an all-encompasing graphical thing, or a cpu related thing

[unborn turtle]

GUYS, DO NOT PRESS THE SAVE BUTTON ON THE SETTINGS MENU, LOOK

seems to reset dlss for me, and robs me of like 20-30 fps

just use ESC to exit the menus

[spiral seal]

hahahaha

this thing is holding together with string and hope

[glass meteor]

yeah, i think the reason behind this is when you press save it reloads the world

you could see it flash when you press save

my theory is this: when you press save, it reloads the world dropping your framerates but after like 10 seconds its back to normal since its done all the loading it needed

[simple goblet]

bro this is so stupid that it actually works 😭

[unborn turtle]

For me it tanks the fps but doesn't come back after a certain time, it just stays lower. And it doesn't look as blurry as it should with the dlss on so I think it defaults dlss to off

[glass meteor]

maybe yeah

[tropic elk]

i have a geforce 5060 ti and it still sometimes lags

[fervent void]

Lags for everyone mate

[stone ledge]

i have a 3060 ti and i can get playable fps in 1v1s in the cellar if neither character uses weapons/armor that requires a lot of lighting/shading

im sure its been discussed to death in this thread but do we have a general sense of how much the performance issues are just bad optimization or should i just expect to not have a strong enough computer to play this game even after its fixed

(ran the demo great on highest settings for ref)

[fervent void]

It will get better, but I doubt much, after all it's recommended is a 4070 which is a higher end component

Most ue5 games now are getting more demanding and unoptimised, for example the new Lego batman game needs a 3080

[tawny terrace]

Gross.

[stone ledge]

its the first game ive ever had this problem with, including other ue5 stuff

[fervent void]

?

[fervent void]

It's only gonna get worse as the months go on 💔 gonna affect every pc gamer unless they have higher end, which in this economy is lucky

[unborn turtle]

I think it's gonna get better, but with time. The devs know that not everyone has that much money to upgrade, and the gpu/ram crisis is not gonna get better anytime soon, so we're all kinda stuck with what we have. And also we know that it's POSSIBLE to run this game at a better framerate because it was already done before, in the demo, so we just need to wait for them to get there.

[fervent void]

Maybe, but not drastically, even on the demo a 4090 would crash if too high settings, even at 1080p

[unborn turtle]

damn, my crashes were never gpu related, and I only have a 2060. It mostly happened when someone got hit way too hard in the head

[fervent void]

Well for 90% of other people it was blood and gore effects, Res, and textures lol

@unborn turtle

[sage linden]

oh shit

no wonder it looks so ass on low compared to high

[unborn turtle]

For some reason, a lot of the outside models in most maps render all faces of the object, even when not visible by the player

[lusty orbit]

you should try nukems dlss no?

[sage linden]

ive tried to get it to work, just doesnt want to

[placid raven]

im on slums, i beat down 2 people and my game starts sinking to 40-50 wtf

theres like an unoptimized effect

apart of me thinks its a blood effect

[fervent void]

Specs?

[heady zinc]

I have a beefy computer I use for llm stuff and I think the real issue with slums is just how much stuff is being rendered that realistically the player won’t ever travel to or let alone notice during battle

There’s a noticeable drop when looking up at the horizon compared to facing towards the wall or floor

The map itself is a victim of having too much stuff in the distance the player won’t ever experience or play with, realistically nobody will ever bring a fight over the bridge and into the alleyway, it’s only purpose right now is the occasional goblet to collect after a battle

[calm stirrup]

Me crying with my 5070ti

[heady zinc]

The Forest is actually a really good example of a more heavy map like The Slums done right. Enemies spawn from multiple areas encouraging exploration

[calm stirrup]

Literally. Should have made the map similar to how KCD2 does big battles, where it’s all 2 dimensional in the background, to save performance

[placid raven]

5070 5700x3d at a locked 60 fps 1080p

ill try that

[placid raven]

in fairness its definitely not a specs issue lmao

the world "optimization" isnt in the dictionary these days

[fervent void]

It can be, the AMD are broken

[placid raven]

well im not amd thankfully

[fervent void]

Nah it's even like it on a 9070xt which is faster then a 5070

Idk why but it happens on them all

😭

It ain't the cards fault 💔

Blame the Devs lol

Exactly

There is theories online but icba to read some unemployed ahh story on why it's so ass

[placid raven]

half sword? more like half made

[gentle tree]

4 hot fixes/patches in a week is hardly running away. Theyre actively working on the game constantly

Holy yap

Im not that invested 😭

My point was the devs are actively working on the game every day. Ratings go up everyday. The games improving, it’s been out a week but you expect them to have it perfect within that week. You said it’s a situation of them taking the money and running. It’s not. I don’t care another whatever technical stuff Youre talking about, Thats not the point of what I said

Im not interested in an essay about that. Im interested in you knowing theyre not taking money and running

Then say theyre running when they actually do, not when they’re actively releasing patches

It’s not gonna be perfect overnight

EA lasts at minimum a year

Minimum

[sudden reef]

9070xt people are suffering

[gentle tree]

It goes up by 2% every day. And it started at 38% on launch, it’s now at 65%, again, climbing literally every single day

[sudden reef]

Like it doesn’t run on dx12 using the 9070 cuz it causes driver time outs

[gentle tree]

Because the game is improving for most people

Otherwise the ratings would be going down not up

Moving goalposts. Yes it launched bad, and now they’re fixing it

Not the point

No it’s not. The point is they aren’t taking your money and running. This is like talking to a damn brick wall

Just think whatever you want atp

Youre out to be upset and Thats it, nothing will change that

Totally

[gentle tree]

Refer to this.
Nothing else to be discussed

There is no changing your mind or anything, no point in continuing

Youll believe what you’d like

As is human nature

I already said Thats not whst my discussion was about, Jesus Christ. It’s about taking money and running. This is so dumb

You can’t even stick to the topic

[shadow wave]

same only factor I struggle in is just the slums and forest map but other than that I get a steady 60 frames on my 2060

[echo pine]

Holy shit the forest map is WORSE than the slums map

i literally get like 10-20 fps on that map

[runic tapir]

it depends

it feels like maps are randomly laggier

after a battle, I use the "leave" button and that alleviates lag a lot

for the next fight

[echo pine]

The slums map was always laggy for me but it had a consistent 30 FPS which was playable imo

but the forest map was like 10-20 FPS which was just impossible to properly play in

I'll turn down my graphics next time, seei f that happens

I'm runnin on an RTX 5070 + 7700x

Watching moist's videos on it, I realize he lags a lot more depending on where he looks in the forest map

wondering if it'll work the same way for me

Oh he's running on low settings LMFAO

I've been running Epic

Maybe I should try low haha

[cloud nexus]

They gotta fix that if that's the case, I also noticed the longer you play, the laggier it gets.

But it's pretty stable on dx11, at least for me. Dx12 doesn't load textures well and is slower for me.

[cloud nexus]

No it's a 12gb.

Dx12 works great for any game except this one.

Your username is correct btw.

Nvidia.

I don't get the foliage spam either, but lumen is a serious issue too.

What. They're all meshes???

That's horrible...

Seriously, UE needs to be taken down. Fall off of games because of that engine.😭

Yeah, always gotta run on medium when playing this game.

Low doesn't even do anything performance wise.

DLSS works horribly for me as well for some reason. It could be because I enable it mid game and haven't tested it otherwise.

But how'd you use fsr, I'd like to test that.

?

Alr, thx.

Of course it's for dx12😭

I suppose I'll have to try to get DLSS to work.

[lean frost]

It’s really strange because I have a Radeon 5700xt (from 2019) and my framerate on high settings 3840x1440 seems to be a lot better than most people’s.

In fact I’d game runs very surprisingly well on my system given how absolutely horrendously overkill a lot of the graphics elements in the game are.

[fervent void]

For real 💔

I'm on a 5080 and it still runs like shit. Not sure why but it eats my ram and vram like it's a fucking meal

[tired token]

9060xt playing on low 1440p
cellar has 100+ fps
slums drops down to below 60 at times and is horrible

HOWEVER i started using lossless scaling yesterday and the game is super playable now, except from occasional crashes in dx12 mode

someone mentioned above how AA makes the game render at a lower resolution so ill set that to high, any other settings i need to keep in mind?

[granite rampart]

Worse for me, I'm getting up to SEVENTY fps drop from 120-50 when dismembering or causing large wounds since the new blood/gore was added, which still isn't the one advertised or the one they were supposedly working on all this time in-house that they said would look and perform infinitely better than the UE5 blood model they were using before...

Slums drops to single digits because of this, fps caps don't matter, it will always drop well below any caps

12900k, 3080ti, 64gb ram
So above recommended, not like that matters anyways

Engine.ini was helping somewhat before the update but shouldn't be necessary

Both dx11 & 12, 1080 LOW

[rare cairn]

try dx11 and medium

[granite rampart]

I have

[peak spire]

can yall go like my post about split screen ts needs a fix 🙁 unplayable even when we win

[tired token]

yeah havent given optiscaler a try because of the crashes in dx12

but thank you ill try the AA thing, i was wondering why the faces were so blurry

im not actually sure what exactly triggers the crash, need to isolate it abit

the crashes itself are pretty bad (entire system crash once)

[livid bloom]

Slums drops to single digits because of this, fps caps don't matter, it will always drop well below any caps
This happens when vram usage goes beyond your GPU max. (if you enable steam overlay performance stats, it should tell you)
I also have 3080 with 10GB vram; try lowering textures quality to medium. I average 8gb of vram usage

Also, give a look at this: #1469778821552144456 message

[spare herald]

Still horrible performance on Intel B570. I have zeroed every single setting in the config, running dx_11.
I still get more crashes than should be expected from software claiming to be "stable".

[fervent void]

That's intel for ya ✌️💔

[granite rampart]

This isn’t a vram issue, I have a 3080Ti 12gb, it happens even on 720p, DLSS ultra performance, LOW settings, it’s an optimisation issue, nothing to do with my card

[livid bloom]

yeah not saying it's your card at all, it's game's fault.
Just beware that settings may have not being applied correctly (you may accidentally be playing at Epic, that's what happened to me).
Also, DLSS may not be working as well (read the linked message to see how to make it work)

This isn’t a vram issue, I have a 3080Ti 12gb
for curiosity's sake, how much VRAM does the game take for you?

it happens even on 720p, DLSS ultra performance, LOW settings
I have a 3080 (underpowered to 80% Watts because of temps), playing in 1440p, DLSS balanced, Epic lighting, and other medium settings, I can play Slums at ~60FPS
(while also recording with SteamOverlay)

[granite rampart]

Oh ok sorry, yeah there’s memory leaks I think, dlss wasn’t working at launch but after one of the last updates it is, I’m also using engine.ini edits I was using with the demo so vram usage is likely very low, I haven’t monitored it though

[granite rampart]

Crazy

[tired token]

could be the vram one as i havent run into the drops issue at all (16gb here) on high textures

oh you mean when theres gore on screen

yeah i just checked in freeplay i do get drops then

[dusk pecan]

I’m on a 2080 I average 60 frames on on custom settings (mix of high lows and mids)

The game will often drop frames in any battle with more than 4 people in it however

[peak spire]

please like my bug post about split screen they need to fix itttttttt

[lusty orbit]

I’ve gotten it to work it worked great

[cloud nexus]

What is nukems dlss

Ah, nevermind. I know now.

[torn charm]

anyone feel like since the new blood update the graphics got worse and it runs worse

[runic tapir]

runs better for me, but looks worse

runs lots better

[heavy shard]

runs so much worse for me

before I was getting like 65-75+ fps in small arena's like yard on high graphics now I get 50 or less on medium

[cloud nexus]

I get less fps now also, but it's still over a 100 fps.

[runic tapir]

lucky

[livid bloom]

yeah my average fps went down (in yard ~94 down to ~75), but they are a lot more consistent when there is blood

[torn charm]

yeah it doesnt seem to be blood either it still runs awfully even when theres no blood

mine when from like 70-60 to 30-40 and thats on medium i used to be able to play on high

[proper jolt]

Every other map seems to be better optimized... But for some reason, Cellar, of all maps, got worse lol.

[vestal umbra]

got worse and started getting random crashes

[polar skiff]

yall are lucky, i was getting my full 144 with vsync before hotfix 6, now i get a clean 30 fps on low preset with graphics issues and a clean 12 fps on epic preset with graphic issues still

[runic tapir]

must be nice to be able to play the game 😭

you're not lucky?

[polar skiff]

oh ggs then

I guess I am lucky

[grizzled grove]

Windowed gets better FPS for me. Try windowed with DX12 if you can

[torn charm]

the game actually runs worse now for me than it did on release

[grizzled grove]

It wasn't windowed mode was better. It was "switching window mode" gets your bugged rendering to normal

Fullscreen after switching window mode works better than windowed mode after switching it.

You have to do this every time you turn on your game

[lilac ember]

Just play demo

[main verge]

I'm on a shitty 1060 and it runs with minimal lag on low. Still very playable and enjoyable

[cyan oriole]

there's a config you can use iirc

[main verge]

Config?? I'd like to know more

[bleak cipher]

yeahhhh.. you would think games wouldnt release in this state... but it is 2026 i guess lol

its not your gpu its your cpu... this game is so badly optimized you need a high end cpu just to run this good 😭 normally my i7 13th gen should be somewhat capable to keep up with this game, but since it is the way it is~ we all need a 9800X3D 🙏🏻😭

[vale aurora]

its better now

[proper jolt]

not really tbh

[vale aurora]

for me it is

[fervent void]

Barely. I'm getting low frames on a 5080 with a 9800x3d

[vale aurora]

no i meant for me

why no one understand

[fervent void]

What specs do you have