references♥_1450-1470

[coral path]

Omg so fucking peak

btw Roman Furajtár made the curiass

[slim terrace]

is that a targe on the targe

[quaint shore]

they put the targe on the targe

[fleet junco]

targe en targe

[vocal vale]

many such cases

[thorny otter]

You may not recognize from the pic

But that maille is 500 years old

[bleak ore]

You mean to say that is an original piece!?

how has it been preserved so well?

[bright token]

I love his harness! Is it Iberian or Italian style?

[silver heart]

iberian.

[earnest raptor]

iberian.

[slim bear]

Holy moly is that a sea otter coat of arms

The Otterian Guard

[thorny otter]

Yup. Maille, if kept in reasonable conditions, usually survives pretty well. It's not the only reenactor i know of using original maille...

[slim bear]

Correct me if i’m wrong but is maile cleaned by shaking it in a barrel or just anything hollow? (I’m thinking of getting a hauberk)

[tight umbra]

I love this kinda armor

Whats it called

[turbid shadow]

Iberian?

[tight umbra]

thanks

[bright token]

This is a great bascinet right?

https://www.facebook.com/share/r/18unWYYXd7/?mibextid=wwXIfr picture source

[thorny otter]

Great bascinet/close helmet

[agile kindle]

it looks like a helmet to me

[tight umbra]

Dang it

[coral path]

The double fluted grand guardbrace?

[slim terrace]

No the shield the guy is holding

[coral path]

lmaoo yes it is

theres a lot of that

[robust tendon]

coolest harness ever probably..

[slim bear]

Anyone have an idea on how i can clean one? 🧼

[coral path]

man theres so many....

[robust tendon]

and this one is the coolest

[coral path]

ngl Im this close to agreeing with ya

I've heard many good things about Roman Furajtár

omg the sabatons and the leg harness wtfff

[robust tendon]

shit i didn’t even notice the fluted poleyns

peak

[fiery wedge]

who have link 0.3 demo half sword for spin kicks pls?

[thorny otter]

Shaking in a bag of sand and oil works for mine

[silver heart]

river otters. quite common in galicia and portugal as well as southern spain. fitting given the iberian basis for the harness (then again river otters also live just about everywhere else in europe so, very much could be just a personal choice on the part of the lad).

[agile kindle]

afaik they were usually tumbled/rolled with sand in a barrel suspended off the ground

[terse bronze]

scrape and polish the links individually ofc

[coral path]

New Eol drawing

[coral path]

I get to post this again *license **

I hope his english cuirass is done soon

[cloud siren]

Saint Pancratius in Stadtkirche St. Nikolaus (Church of St. Nikolaus) in Wil, Switzerland

absolute aura

[coral path]

isnt this from between the 16th and 19th centuries?

[cloud siren]

yeah 1670s

i forgot to put that

[terse bronze]

then don't post it there

[coral path]

yeah waht

[lethal adder]

erm... ts is kiiinda tuff....

[tight umbra]

You can clean it by just rubbing it together

[tight umbra]

Damn. Such great armor

Need something like this in my life

[terse smelt]

SON

[tight umbra]

I need to delete this

I was so stupid lmaoo

[terse smelt]

it happens to the best of us

[tight umbra]

https://tenor.com/view/snake-salute-mgs3-gif-9277925

[terse smelt]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1489803368133169203/1494054779171770388/cutekitty.gif

[tight umbra]

📎 cutekitty.gif

[terse bronze]

pepper clip

[bright token]

sorry for asking here, do you think I should move the gauntlet a bit to the left?

Rarely draw this type of gauntlet so i dunno am I drawing it correct or not lol

[zenith jungle]

I assume the pointed bit is gonna be missing from the final drawing because it's on the side of the arm we can't see?

[bright token]

yeah

[tight umbra]

what software do you use? and hardware

been wanting to learn to draw but im struggling a lot

[thorny jasper]

I genuinely love this armor so much 🥹

If I had a ridiculous amount of extra money, I'd get something exactly like that dude

Needs to be in the game already 😓

[terse bronze]

😭

[silver heart]

looks like there’s a fishtail on his cuirass. some may even call it a, fishtail plackart, perhaps.

[terse bronze]

fih

[vocal vale]

one of the peakest

one of the greats

[coral path]

ca. 1450 - 'Antonio Rido, castellano di Castel Sant'Angelo (+1450)', copy, Castel Sant'Angelo, Roma, Italy, from the original in the Chiesa di Santa Francesca Romana

[vocal vale]

first picture made me think of this

[ancient pivot]

damn that's a really nice kit

[agile kindle]

why's everybody laughing this is the coolest knight helmet i've ever seen

[terse bronze]

I'm killing you

[agile kindle]

so how would you rate my ragebait

on a 1-10 scale

[terse bronze]

tweny wan

[unkempt rampart]

The visored barbute has done irreparable damage to the perception of armor

[agile kindle]

blame for honor and basically every single "medieval" fantasy themed item of media from any point in modern history

[terse bronze]

doesnt the larpbute predates for honor

[agile kindle]

i dunno probably

irregardless it absolutely made it more popular

[terse bronze]

<@&1080390104562016306>

[hollow skiff]

Scam much?

[tight umbra]

Jesus christ

What the fuck is that

Please delete this

[fleet junco]

the unvisored visored barbute

[slate mulch]

armstreet got competition

[light nova]

Looks like something from Nolan's armor choices

[gilded kite]

Was just at the Worcester Art Museum and their open storage got arms and armor is incredible. Only a small portion is from this time period, but what there was really just reinforced how accurate the devs have been to it

[dim mauve]

didnt think it could get any worse.

[coral path]

These are some shit references ngl

[gilded kite]

There were wearable visors, and the amount you could actually see through them was crazy, way more than in the game or that I was able to reproduce with a camera view

[silver heart]

ong.

[coral path]

Check out these cool armets I found looking through Chantilly Library and Archives of the Château, Ms. 645... Its a little later than 1475

[silver heart]

on my flemish shi.

[silver heart]

have you watched the video from zac evan’s and augusto regarding the depictions of these ‘stechhelms’ in art outside of jousting scenes? seems like something that’d interest you.

[coral path]

Oh wait your talking about this one? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VWsozZ0tMgY

[silver heart]

yes!

[coral path]

🥹

[cloud siren]

is that called blued armor ?

or black steel

[slate mulch]

whys he look evil as shit

[fleet junco]

german with spectacles

[lone osprey]

spaceballs ahh

[agile kindle]

was gonna send a picture of him but i already sent it in response to an extremely ill-fitting bascinet

would be too soon

[bright token]

fabulous harnesses 🙏 🥹

I got this from facebook armourer page called Silesian Armoury

Love his heroic style spaulders

[tight umbra]

the spaulders are really great yeah

[bright token]

very elegant

[bright token]

This pair of spaulders don't have much articulation right?

[terse bronze]

doesnt seem so

[thorny otter]

ah, that's Svatej, of the czech burgundian group

Suit is mostly Petr Brožek with some later additions by Silesian Armoury (the heroic spaulders and elbows, the mitten gauntlet)

this him outside the armor

and this is how he uses it for battles

Speaking of Petr Brožek, that guy as armourer is genius. If you have the opportunity, find his book 'Platnéřství" (Armouring), as that's unique work on how to make the armour and science behind it. Only other like that I know of is Collins' 16th cent armour book

Also taught guys like Kašpar and Elthien, sadly he is not that active nowadays

Some older works

[vocal vale]

aw hell naw they put James Franco in fifteenth century burgundy

[coral path]

yo show who I need to see comparison

[coral path]

oh jesus lmao

[terse bronze]

it's Jacques Franc

[coral path]

Payment document from 1446 (Archive of the Crown of Aragon, Register 2733, f. 97v-98r):

«…item, per lo dit senyor rey [Alfons V] ha manat pagar a maestre Thomas de Missaglia, armer de Milà, per una armadura completa ab dauradura e obra fina que li ha feta per lo dit senyor rey, la qual armadura és ab celada e totes peces guarnides d’aur…»

Possible English translation: "...item, by what has been said, lord king [Alfonso V] has ordered payment to master Thomas de Missaglia, armourer of Milan, for a complete suit of armour with gilding and fine workmanship that he has made for the said lord king, which armour includes a helmet and all the pieces adorned with gold..."

Miniature of Charles the Bold in gold-

[terse bronze]

Charles the gold

[lone topaz]

Out of curiosity was there ever any gilded barding?

[robust tendon]

in the 16th century i think so

[slate mulch]

why gild horse when you can get a camaro

[fleet junco]

because horses have feelings too

[silver heart]

beautiful chaffron.

[lone topaz]

its one of them freak swords

[agile kindle]

freak sword?

like...

https://klipy.com/gifs/willie-willie-jar--k01KRYJWRD0K6RJ9ASKD8WJ8JHV

[coral path]

https://tenor.com/view/can-you-f-it-robot-chicken-robot-sex-no-you-cant-gif-9730565786129850586

[cold atlas]

looks like peasant militia ngl

[runic wigeon]

tuff

[slate mulch]

wheres the parental advisory sticker

[coral path]

The Stechhelm was finished 2 weeks ago (Augusto Boer Bront) Ca.1460-1480

[bronze owl]

Epic

My favourite helmet shape

[coral path]

The faceplate and the skull are forged from 4mm thick plates, while the back is made of 2 mm, all c45 carbon steel. Both the upper and lower lips have been folded over, so there the thickness is about 8mm.

1460-1470 English/French great bascinet hopefully done soon

1460-1470 central Italy.

[tight umbra]

im not a big fan of these helmets tbh. they look ugly

[lone topaz]

what did he ever do to you bro look at him

[thorny jasper]

I agree, they're also tournament helmets and they're very restrictive. Not hating on 'em, I just don't like 'em

[coral path]

https://www.facebook.com/reel/2050898269118276

Holy shit

they really used HS music

good malware needs to see this

[vivid solar]

I don't think they're ugly but they are one of my least fav

Only european helmet that i dislike more is the greathelm lol

[silver heart]

charles lin my beloved.

[cloud siren]

that shirt reminds me of the landsknechts mercenaries

[coral path]

This crest

[cloud siren]

do you make this as a hobby or as a business ? , js curious

[silver heart]

that isn’t mords. it’s from augusto boer bront. one of the most prominent armorers in the scene.

https://www.facebook.com/share/p/1DZLSiRzgM/?mibextid=wwXIfr

[cloud siren]

thanks for sending the source

[tight umbra]

I like the great helm if its used right

Its also easy to draw too

[vivid solar]

Idk i've just never really been a fan

Just not my style

Hounskulls are peak fashion though

[tight umbra]

Yeah true

Bascinets be peak fashion

[agile kindle]

honestly personally I think the bellows sallet is hideous

it's the only historical helmet I truly dislike

[coral path]

holy shit true

[coral path]

XV century (mid 15th century?), Sicily.
Relief on the portal of Camera Reginale, depicting St. Michael the Archangel.

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1227412021243281509/1233209115661307975/SICILY_WOOHOOOOO.mp4?ex=6a0ef6bd&is=6a0da53d&hm=9394dd52dc7c23c4e9112be7de16fc4bcdbd7ff681689e2c6464742b6109e1cc&

[tight umbra]

why did the armor clank sound like a fart

like

towards the end

the clank sound

[sturdy lily]

https://tenor.com/view/benjammins-ben-jammins-squid-games-meme-squid-games-scared-scared-squid-games-gif-14862262665513675843

[terse bronze]

No way you got this video lol

Do you have the other ones

[coral path]

not this guy

[coral path]

no ):

I found that one looking through THE cool serv

not too sure which group it is

[coral path]

the armour sounds so crisp

[lost pawn]

i hope today will be normal.
The 8 metatrons in armor:

[tranquil gull]

Boycott this mans gifs

[sturdy lily]

Oh

[tranquil gull]

He just remakes gifs with himself and mass reports the original so his is the only one

[sturdy lily]

Damn

Okay

[tranquil gull]

Lol

[sturdy lily]

Didn’t know that xd

[agile kindle]

real ones praise truemose

the lawful good to benjammin's chaotic evil

[coral path]

truemose is not it yo

[silver heart]

holy crest

[coral path]

did you not want a church on your head while on a horse?

nvm thats the banner lmao

[silver heart]

hold on im on the austrian wiki to figure out who this bloke is.

[coral path]

(or not idk)

András Paumkircher......?

[silver heart]

yes!

the monastery on the flag is supposed to be the pauline one he founded i believe.

[coral path]

"Monument to András Paumkircher in the castle of Szalónak. 1450."

incase the message didnt forward right

[silver heart]

seems he was a rather prevalent military leader that was in service to, at various points, frederich iii, king laidslaus of bohemia, and king matthias corvinus. held lands in western hungary that came under the jurisdiction of the hungarian crown when matthias was given the crown and he seems to have feuded with frederick iii in service to matthias late in his life.

the monastery looks like this nowadays as it went under 19th century baroqe remodeling but likely originally looked in the style seen on the banner.

[lone osprey]

Led an uprising of nobility against Frederick and lost his life for it

[terse flame]

thank you bro for sharing ❤️ ❤️

[rigid gull]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-gif-9532894505881589314

Anyhow i wonder were these heraldic helmets real? If so were they used?

[terse bronze]

modernly stylized based on tournament helmets from the late 15th and 16thc

Closest I can think off is this one from a northdern french manuscript from 1480s

some more examples, the second one is from the early 16thc idk about the first

[slim bear]

Wold case gelmet

[tight umbra]

Anyone have manuscripts that depict tournaments and jousting? Need it for something im making

Also something a bit earlier than the game around 1400-1430

[unkempt rampart]

100% historically accurate depiction of a late 15th century man at arms

[slim terrace]

A man hath fallen into the water in legoburg!

Prepare the rescue horses!

[tight umbra]

hey since im home now i dont need this now and i'll find a manuscript myself

[edgy prawn]

well thats not accurate...he is holding the spear with 8 fingers thats not accurate stop spreading lies!!111!

[dawn orbit]

Hey guys, I've been putting some work into the drive database. If you're in the MK1212 chat I put it there too. For anyone who doesn't know, it's a collection of images to give an introduction to arms and armour of various places & times. I'd be very grateful if anyone wanted to take a look and let me know their thoughts… warning: THIS IS NOT AN ACADEMIC SOURCE AND IS NOT INTENDED TO BE:

https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/1RPQNotONhJhJI9DTIq4VskwOvBVT_7-Q?usp=drive_link

Also just be sure to view it in 'grid' layout not 'list' layout

I know the modern sections could use some more work so consider that under construction 🚧

[runic wigeon]

fire

[ivory iris]

What is this

[coral path]

underrated graham reference of William Gascoigne III (imo)

[coral path]

Kinda where you post arms and armour from the period

[coral path]

1450-1460 Longsword, probably Italian (23.8 x 134 cm; Weight: 1750 g)

[vocal vale]

waow!!!!!!!

[tight umbra]

whats that little thing near the hilt called?

it looks really nice

[lone osprey]

parrying hooks (parierhaken)

[bright token]

peak pauldron design

[coral path]

caramels jack (with straps and buckles)

[fleet junco]

caramel

yummy

[proven edge]

Hello, does anyone have a good source of reference of armor in Burgundian Netherlands? Thanks

[silver heart]

(the first image is of philip the fair from 1497 which technically is after the dissolution of the burgundian netherlands but maximilian acquired them as apart of the inheritance from mary of burgundy so, i still threw it in there.)

[coral path]

btw youd be surprised how much of it is inspired by flemish

https://www.instagram.com/p/DHvM9r3tvfu/?img_index=1

[coral path]

is that an uppercannon I've never noticed?

tf

oh wait I remember now

[rigid gull]

Greatest helm ornament

[slim bear]

Yeah but it can die

And if it dies i be sad

[rigid gull]

No one would strike it

No sane man would

[slim bear]

Accidents happen

I dont want that on my ornament

[tight umbra]

What about a stray arrow

[rigid gull]

Wear only the ornament ceremonially tho

[flint estuary]

Does anyone have a historical photo of the hooked beak that you can add to a poleaxe?

[terse bronze]

?

[flint estuary]

the other end of the poleaxe

[flint estuary]

this

is this just made up for the game entirely, or was there a reference for it?

[lucid briar]

here is two examples from Talhoffer if I remember correctly

[terse bronze]

ah mb

[terse bronze]

Talhoffer 1459 manuscript

[flint estuary]

Nice

[tight umbra]

good point

[tight umbra]

everything you see in the game is from a manuscript, real weapon or accurate replica so its all historically accurate

and nothing was made up

[slim terrace]

stab so insane they drew it from multiple angles

[tight umbra]

this is the medieval example of killcams

but i think these photos are from a fencing manual

[terse bronze]

yes

[forest citrus]

how would the backplates look like on these cuirasses
is it like a solid piece or segmented

[silver heart]

they’d be of a solid construction. i don’t have any photos on hand myself but im sure someone else does.

[forest citrus]

i c i c

[flint estuary]

Waw

[coral path]

"A late 15th century longsword found at Dragmark’s cloister. The shape is identical to many other Scandinavian longswords of the period, with a particularly long grip." (GM:4821 :: jordfynd goteborgsstadsmuseum)

[slate mulch]

whys the pommel like thatt

[tight umbra]

that sword looks like its kinda old

i'd say atleast like bare minimum 5 years old

[slim bear]

The metal it was made from id say like 20 years old

[fallow dawn]

it happens to the best of us

[slim bear]

Actually it's the sword's dih juice

This is the urethra of giant mega homo erectus

[fallow dawn]

https://tenor.com/view/bro-hell-sus-gif-4640953859587921843

[coral path]

it broke off

[slate mulch]

is that allowed

[royal wave]

thanks for the profile picture ❤️

[rigid gull]

Dam

[coral path]

"Artist: Juan Gómez (collaborator of Juan Guas ).
Year: 1469.
Original location: Convent of San Millán.
Current location: Ávila Cathedral (Chapel of Our Lady of the Cloister). He founded the Convent of San Millán, which was built in 1468; and it was there that he wished to be buried. His epitaph read:
Here lies Juan Núñez Dávila , who founded this Monastery and the Church of Santa María de las Vacas. He died in the year 1469. In his testamentary wishes he wrote:
...that then in the year that I die they make me a very fine alabaster effigy with its alabaster pillows, armed with the weapons that are now used and with sleeves and skirts that look like gilded jazeran mail and the sword and spurs likewise gilded and a page at the feet with some gilded spurs in his hand and a French helmet with its gilded pommels and a dragon on which the said page is lying." https://caballerosyarte2.blogspot.com/2015/05/don-juan-nunez-davila.html

[fleet junco]

why did they decide to move that

[lone osprey]

so awesome his request is extant and interesting that the sallet is specified as a french helmet

[runic wigeon]

Anyone know a good website for armor

tryna get a bascinet

based on the a69 from the wallace collection

[coral path]

I have to say that you would be better off commissioning from a smith.

Royal Oak Armoury made a decent repro of it

[runic wigeon]

Im broke as fuck and i just want it for display purposes

[coral path]

https://www.facebook.com/royaloakarmoury/videos/wallace-a69/1322973335629280/

❓

[runic wigeon]

I got confused

well shit

[coral path]

I mean theres websites out there that will get you a regular "bascinet" if you dont mind the quality of it

[tight umbra]

if you're from europe these ones are just larp stuff
https://www.celticwebmerchant.com/en-int/collections/bascinet

so they're cheaper

larpscinets

[slim bear]

By this larp it isnt poser larp

It's Live action roleplay

[dreamy plank]

The only real meaning of LARP.

[deft flame]

Js found out Constantinople fell 573 years ago today

[vocal vale]

these are all ass

[tight umbra]

atleast this aint this

[terse bronze]

very low bar

[idle valley]

thats 16th century flemish

[agile kindle]

it's 21st century garbage

[idle valley]

nope

[void stream]

but

it's real

look

very

real

[quaint shore]

helmet aside big fan of that falchion shape