references♥_1450-1470

[visual cradle]

i'm crine why do they all have the same face

[restive geyser]

its easier to paint/draw a singular type of face than like 50+ different ones

[desert wagon]

They are all biologically the same like willie

[terse bronze]

because the point wasn't to make them all have unique faces

and the manuscript is long as shit

[restive geyser]

Kevlar

i found some dumbshit

this makes me want to gouge my eyes out

yeah someone on reddit made this like 10 or smthing years ago, and ig this is also a reason why people say this a vougle

spreading misinformation kings over there in redditville

[terse bronze]

the reason why people still call this a voulge is because of some old ass (19thc) victorian error (damn, once again!) and it just stuck out

[restive geyser]

yeah i know

i said it before to him

[terse bronze]

to the point that today you're being almost insulted if you dare say that well, that's not a voulge

because "muh common knowledge !!!"

[slate mulch]

the root of bait

[restive geyser]

at least he said he was wrong

others would've just argued all day

[terse bronze]

btw it's voulge

not vougle

or vouge if you fear to missplace the L

which is also correct

[slate mulch]

madonna ?

[restive geyser]

i grew hate for this weapon bro, i don't even wanna call it by its name anymore

[terse bronze]

idk I love halberds & vouges alike

[restive geyser]

i hope i never see it in half sword type of hate which I know it will come in the game soon

[terse bronze]

they're cool when put in their respective contexts

[restive geyser]

some people call halberds Swiss Vouges

[terse bronze]

which is dumb

[restive geyser]

I think a Naginata has more in common with a vouge than a halberd, just saying

[terse bronze]

it's like calling zweihanders "german épées"

like wha

why would a weapon used predominantly in germanic spheres (germany, switzerland..) have a french name

[next orchid]

almayne swerdes

[restive geyser]

what is more funny

[terse bronze]

hi cartoon folder

[restive geyser]

is just saying what you said

[desert wagon]

[terse bronze]

too early..

[desert wagon]

Imma wanna buy ts

[robust tendon]

the worst thing is when mfs call it a bardiche

[slate mulch]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-stare-stare-cat-medium-gif-2715770251811435838

[lone osprey]

this could be trying to show antiquity but the 1450 tapestry of 'hercules founding the olympic games' shows one prominently among fairly contemporaneous fashion/armour

[desert wagon]

https://tenor.com/view/gam-alarm-wojak-gem-meme-bruh-gif-15452763936412400613

[desert wagon]

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[compact marsh]

https://tenor.com/view/alert-scam-sheep-zombie-lies-gif-21519331

[desert wagon]

elon musk why do you need this from us

[restive geyser]

It's worse when they ask "what's the difference?"

[vivid solar]

It's literally the best weapon in the game imo

The balance sucks but when you get used to it it's OP af

Ive gotten so manh gnarly kills back to back, some of them make me literally gasp because of how brutal they look, esp in first person

[restive geyser]

Ragebait, you stink!

[weak halo]

Here u go

[prisma raven]

Banger!

[restive geyser]

One of my friends tried to argue with me that polearm poles wouldn't hurt

As someone who has been struck by wood even thinner than polearms, and have been smacked with a polearm pole.

I can confirm, shit hurts.

Anyways, i am not at my pc.

Can anyone find small tassets within the period?

[slate mulch]

what an r slur

[lone osprey]

Maximilian calls sleeves slit like this Spanish - by any chance have you got other examples?

[restive geyser]

Argue polearms with the guy who did polearm related things

Makes sense

[slate mulch]

"yea dood getting hit with a 2m long oak shaft doesnt hurt dood"

[restive geyser]

I heard stories of people getting their shins broken by one during a sparing match

Because they used the poles that don't flex a ton for like training for some reason

[slate mulch]

oh easily

with enough momentum you can do anything

[prisma raven]

Oh, I didn't know that. I'll see if I can find more.

Btw, do they necessarily have to have those metal tips?

[vivid solar]

It's literally the epitomy of peak

Only thing it needs is better weight balance because it sucks

No fine control

[restive geyser]

There no vouges in half sword! Rah!

I hope there never is!!!

[prisma raven]

https://www.museodelprado.es/coleccion/obra-de-arte/el-prendimiento/cdbb12fa-1300-4fb4-98ac-4fbc65bb7e20
https://www.museodelprado.es/coleccion/obra-de-arte/la-flagelacion/eb95097c-57cb-4876-82eb-a54be00a7be5
https://www.metmuseum.org/art/collection/search/437742?searchField=All&sortBy=Relevance&where=Spain&ft=spanish&offset=1220&rpp=20&amp%3Bpos=1227

[restive geyser]

These look familiar

They kind of remind me of those shirts that openings on the sleeves

Thats 16th century doe

These

[prisma raven]

Yeah slashed sleeves

[restive geyser]

Did these coexist? Or was the Spanish a early example of slashed sleeves?

[prisma raven]

Idk, afaik slashed sleeves appear at the start of the 16th C. in Spain, maybe in Germany they appear earlier

[restive geyser]

They are popular in art depicting the Landsknecht

So i always assumed 16th century

[prisma raven]

But I don't think they're the same at all. The first ones look more like the Roman/Greek pteryges of antiquity

[prisma raven]

I know

[restive geyser]

Possibly

Early roman soldiers had shirts with similar frills on the sleeves

So that's maybe what inspired the art?

But idk

[coral path]

1467

Nice hoods in here

[restive geyser]

Holy hoods

These dudes look fucking drippy as shit

[prisma raven]

Yess a subarmalis

[restive geyser]

Yep!

A lot of games actually do get that detail correct a lot, the early romans wore those shirts. It genuinely shocks me lmfao

Some people call those "early gambesons", it makes me cry

[prisma raven]

btw I found some slashed coats (ropeta, sayuelo, ropa corta?) in a Spanish altarpiece

Burgos - Church of San Nicolas
Altarpiece of Saint Michael - late C15th attributed to the Master of Saint Nicholas

[vivid solar]

https://youtube.com/shorts/8DthJPoREEE?si=ocSqVggMUwUAiyBH

[lone osprey]

those are great thanks - and metal tips not necessary but they did stand out to me in that first one. the slit sleeves evidently appear on costumes in morris dances and on a moor in the Master of Frankfurt's painting of festivities after an archery competition

[lone osprey]

they're different and coexisted at the turn of the 16th century. spanish slit sleeves are open and slashing doesnt leave loose ends

[lone osprey]

those are nice and interesting. very elliptical lol interesting on the back of the red one

[restive geyser]

Thanks!

[coral path]

Bayerische Staatsbibliothek, Cod. gall. 6 Ca. 1458 (Boccaccio)

[coral path]

Altarpiece of Sant Miquel, Jaume Cirera, Guillem Talarn, 1450-51

[prisma raven]

Peak

[quaint shore]

what are those dangling things for?

[prisma raven]

It's purely aesthetic

[quaint shore]

ah

[prisma raven]

https://www.facebook.com/lionsdukent

[slate mulch]

crossbow guy got 4 knives on him

[fleet junco]

interesting

[desert wagon]

They call him, sir daggerman

[coral path]

Random Pinterest find

[slate mulch]

pintrest is either geniuenly peak or abyssmal dogshit

theres no inbetween

[terse bronze]

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[wary bear]

Oh my god it embedded

[desert wagon]

Nice pauldrons

[snow nova]

thats from DADG server yes?

i like armet with bevor

[coral path]

Yes.

[silver elm]

you might catch kanye wearing this anytime soon

[lone osprey]

Armet by tetsuya nomura

[coral path]

🤣

jokes aside, it is made by Plessis Armouries

[coral path]

1465

[sterile crane]

Is it like a felt texture the artist here was going for or smt else? I thibk in here they were at a cold place cus other characters in this artwork here had scarves and other coats

[turbid shadow]

where?

viking armor does not work for this game

does not fit the art style that the devs are intending for

yeah I see what you mean

[sterile crane]

Youtube thumbnail

[turbid shadow]

its ight

choice is yours really

[sterile crane]

Since the guy that is no more was talking about winter armor, would this work? Like felt hats and wool coats?

[gaunt radish]

would be fairly historically accurate I believe

either long coats or capes and stuff

fur I believe was not very common simply because most of the game animals were the property of local nobles and therefore not for the peasantry to hunt

[sterile crane]

Oh and scarfs too, they're so drippy with sallets

[turbid shadow]

I mean while the context of them being used for winter is a little lost to me I can see them working either way

you can already see them on the art that milek drew as you said or im an actual schizo you didnt say any of that

[sterile crane]

Hah its fine, but man those garments over armor are so drippy

[turbid shadow]

schekes are always cool

[sterile crane]

Hope something like that gets added to the game

[turbid shadow]

they always look fly as fuck ngl

[sterile crane]

Along with other garments that go over the armor

[turbid shadow]

tbf each region should have their own garments that go over armor since there's a lot of variations but they also DO share some stuff

surcoats tabards giorneas, all very and inexplicitly kino.

[sterile crane]

I think that like, since theres already clearly stated factions in the game, there should be diferent armor types and clothes for each place

Not as a rule ofc but to have distinct variation

[turbid shadow]

the game cards show that there will probably be that

[sterile crane]

And more maille pieces

Also pretty cool that many of these garments give a sort of skirted like look at the hem

[ancient reef]

👋

[robust tendon]

early arquebus my beloved

[coral path]

CarameL's kit

(3d modelers for Dell'arte Della Guerra)

[robust tendon]

love simple “infantry” kits like that

full harness overrated ngl….

[coral path]

Something about his kit feels a little late for 1470 but yk

[robust tendon]

i dont rly see it, looks like it fits the time period

maybe the cuirass is a little late but idk about that

[coral path]

Idk i feel like its maybe 1460-1480

It really does feel like it fits the time period though

The strap over bevor is amazing

[robust tendon]

Didnt notice that at first, yeah thats rly cool

[bright token]

Very interesting breastplate by Maks Izobov. Do you think it fit within the game time frame?

[terse bronze]

nope

at least i'm pretty sure it wouldnt

also isn't that a backplate

[bright token]

nah it's a breastplate but it looks very different from most german style breastplate lol

[terse bronze]

damn the angle fucking with my brain

[bright token]

Here is what it looks like without the lower part

[terse bronze]

oh

i think it might still be too late

[desert wagon]

Damn that is shiny af

[terse bronze]

not really

it's actually painted on it duh

[robust tendon]

mirror polish isn’t real

[vivid solar]

Would be sick if we could paint our armors in HS

[coral path]

its late

[vivid solar]

Within reason ofc

[robust tendon]

theres no evidence to suggest that was done in the time period of the game

the one exception i think of though is sometimes armor was covered with linseed oil or some such, i forget the exact reason why

which makes the armor look black

but it’s not really painting i would say

[coral path]

I want more blue armor

[robust tendon]

i want armor with partial gilding (couters, pauldrons, visors etc)

partial gilding is kino

[coral path]

brass and such

brass on my armor would be sick

I would actually be in half sword

[quaint shore]

I wonder how many people in this server own real harness

[robust tendon]

basically nobody except Krystof Samal

probably

[coral path]

Krystof Samal is the real reenactor here

tassets under fauld

[quaint shore]

seems about right

Boris has one as well iirc

hes posted it in the 1470-1600 thread

[robust tendon]

yea he does too

Has an arm harness made by Radoslaus iirc

[quaint shore]

Ya

[coral path]

Randoslaus is goat.

[mellow zealot]

hear me out /jk

[coral path]

wtf is this

[thorny otter]

I considered going that way before the current plan got into motion. Especially stuff like this is dope

Maybe if I become a milionaire one day

[robust tendon]

yea thats the stuff

if i had unlimited money id prob get that exact kit tbh

[thorny otter]

Yeah

but the thing is

there is so many cool kits to get

[robust tendon]

true, it’s very hard to just pick one period/style of harness that i think i would want

[lethal adder]

partial gilding would be awesome, would love to have some fancy brass accents

[lethal adder]

an imagined concept of a space suit "of the future" if im remembering correctly

saw it years ago from some random twitter post so for all i know could be incorrect

but yea gilded accents would be friggin kino

[robust tendon]

applied borders i believe they are called

[lethal adder]

or full gilded armor

[robust tendon]

full gilding <<< partial gilding

just saying…

[lethal adder]

i agree but its still kinda dope imo

flexing on these low borns and hedge knights

kinda crazy that the big bad guy baron is essentially a space marine that throws random people into the meat grinder for his entertainment

hes on some berserk apostle shit

[coral path]

NEW KNIGHTS PATH ANNOUNCEMENT RAHHHHHH

[robust tendon]

this is iberian isnt it

[coral path]

Yeah

[robust tendon]

nice

[terse bronze]

<@&1080390104562016306>

[wary bear]

Ty

[terse bronze]

Too late I clicked on it I'm getting hacked aaaaaahhh!!!

[weak halo]

Anyone ever done inverted armor and trim colors?

Gilded armor with white steel trims

[robust tendon]

Idk, i’ve personally never seen it

[robust tendon]

Closest thing to that would be this i think. Particularly the figure on the right

[weak halo]

Full gold with velvet covered elements is also super dope

I could easily imagine a fictional character like Tywin Lannister wearing something like that

[vivid solar]

Ive not seen this painting of turner's before yo

[slate mulch]

old british space suit prototype that took some inspo for articulation from plate armour iirc

weighed as much too

[terse bronze]

So 30 ish kg?

[quaint shore]

Close enough Welcome back 1400’s

Also No way Mfs thought i was a scam bot By saying Indeed Dot Com

It was Not even a link

[slate mulch]

70

for the full suit

[terse bronze]

That's well over the average full plate harnesses

[slate mulch]

https://tenor.com/view/shrug-dexter-morgan-idk-gif-2440520923239485215

[coral path]

https://tenor.com/view/roll-knights-gif-5364815

[slate mulch]

i love that video

[quaint shore]

truly the video of all time

[sterile crane]

Does this fit the game's timeframe? Also is there evidence for using just poleyns on the legs like that aparently left handed archer is doing

[verbal jewel]

Armour suggestion

[haughty creek]

Out of period

[lethal adder]

its from the osprey book on condottieri

[verbal jewel]

The first one is 1470

The second one is out of time period

[haughty creek]

Are you sure about that? I thought that particular type of Sallet was 1490

[verbal jewel]

It's just a suggestion anyway

Idk I checked the source it said 1470

[lethal adder]

yea bellows sallet shows up around 1500 afaik

[verbal jewel]

But there are just suggestions anyway

[lethal adder]

theres probably period appropriate full visors for sallets but that specific type isnt

havent seen any myself tho, unsure if they exist

[verbal jewel]

Yo is this ok

[lethal adder]

yes

[verbal jewel]

It would fit for the British

[lethal adder]

im pretty sure brigandine was confirmed at some point

[verbal jewel]

Nice that will be good

[lethal adder]

im looking forward to it im a big fan of brigs

[sterile crane]

Also those brigandine spaulders are very pretty

[last surge]

I hope there will be magic in the game, here are a couple of spells that I found.

[verbal jewel]

This looks cool I know the others are out of time period

But I like the 1450 one

[lethal adder]

heres a similar image (hard to read but its pretty interesting)

damn its pretty much impossible to read when its uploaded through discord lmao

[haughty creek]

It’s able to be read on mobile

[sterile crane]

Damn they made glass 4K definition

[verbal jewel]

Peak

[verbal jewel]

Ohh nice

1450 English man at arms war of roses

Cool picture I found

What century is this based on

[prisma raven]

These are pretty bad tbh

[vocal vale]

@verbal jewel please avoid wantonly posting ill fit images

[verbal jewel]

Oh ok

[vocal vale]

you’re looking at the evidence

[verbal jewel]

No problemo

Peak name

[robust tendon]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/266582633503260693/1365486982150754354/nah.gif

[verbal jewel]

Alright

[sterile crane]

But how good of an evidence is it?

[robust tendon]

pretty good evidence

art is (usually) a good reference unless it's blatantly period fantasy

[sterile crane]

Also why does the armor look dark in these paintings

[robust tendon]

probably just the artist trying to represent the reflections of the armor

[sterile crane]

Is it like the shadow play

Oh ok

How does blued or blacked armor look like in these types of paintings?

[vocal vale]

blue or black

[robust tendon]

a lot of the armor looks black because of how they drew it

so prob identical

[prisma raven]

Bartolomeo Vivarini and workshop (1430–1499), Sanit George, 1462. Pinacoteca parrocchiale (Corridonia, Italy).

https://flic.kr/p/9n871d

[robust tendon]

cool pommel on the sword there

[restive geyser]

I've seen a lot of artist use shadowing on the helmet to depict reflections too, its quite cool

[junior kayak]

some artistic works i base a lot of my work on

some of these are slightly out of date (1415, 1440)

[restive geyser]

if they are out of date you can always send them to #1287593473217790034 if you want to showcase some kewl stuff

[junior kayak]

image 4 and 5 are out of date

[restive geyser]

This is out of allowed region, but I feel like its sort of too interesting to not share.

1451 Poland

For the record, this is depicting a older event.

[junior kayak]

well.. im uncertain about image 4

[junior kayak]

stunning

[robust tendon]

neat, there are some bassinets in there

those kettle helmets are also quite cool

Effigy of Arnould de Hamal, 1456, Limburg, Belgium. very interesting things on the shoulders, ailettes??

[vocal vale]

hans peakhoffer

[vocal vale]

that shape of flag on the spear also strikes me as a bit antique

[junior kayak]

tallhoffer?

an amazing source for art of the time

[robust tendon]

ye, iirc that is only seen in the 13th century

[vocal vale]

zany effigy then

[junior kayak]

im curious if the little circles on his vambrace represent openings or some sort of hinge

[vocal vale]

my favorite illustration from one of his manuscripts is the one where a guy dies and a small devil crawls into the corpse’s mouth

[junior kayak]

truly Hieronymus bosch energy

i think he saw too much

but a better historical source you wont find anywhere else

[restive geyser]

Yeah its why i sent it, it does seem like that one guy who was here awhile ago was sort of correct

Poland seemingly had bascinets for a bit

[robust tendon]

could u post that

[junior kayak]

i wonder if its mail (?) on the inside of the knee and thigh or a strap thats being represented

[restive geyser]

but it seems to be ONLY poland

[robust tendon]

maybe, but its worth noting that MS is depicting the mongol invasion of poland i believe

[junior kayak]

this one right?

[robust tendon]

the page u posted is depicting the battle of liegnitz, which happened in 1241

[junior kayak]

idk whats going on here

[vocal vale]

different one hold on

[restive geyser]

thats true

[robust tendon]

i think it could very well just be depicting older armor to show "this happened a long time ago"

but there is also shit like this where they just depict modern armor (depicting the battle of Crecy, 1346), so im not really sure

[restive geyser]

fencing manual maybe?

[vocal vale]

we’re aware

[junior kayak]

well yea thats what its famous for being

but im looking for the depiction youre talking about

[vocal vale]

running on 2 percent battery trying to hunt this down

[restive geyser]

this is likely done because MAYBE the artist didn't exactly know older equipment and decided to just roll with stuff that was around his time, could be wrong doe

[vocal vale]

i thought it was in one of the mixed weapon sections of the later two

[vocal vale]

he 100% didn’t know older equipment

[restive geyser]

we also have seen examples like artist depicting both modern and old in the same exact manual script

i sent one of those a little bit ago

sometimes artist just pick and choose

[robust tendon]

it was much harder to find out what people wore like 100 years ago so yeah probably just didn't know

[restive geyser]

and sometimes it limited knowledge

[robust tendon]

could also be to make it more recognizeable to people i suppose

[vocal vale]

it’s at the very very end of one of the sections of the later manuscripts

this is irking me

[junior kayak]

remember, historical sources carried the myths we associate with armor today at times

they arent all accurate

[restive geyser]

what is year of the manuscript creation? looks like its 1450 or 1470

[junior kayak]

~roughly ROUGHLY 1415-1490ish

[vocal vale]

what’s inaccurate about this

[robust tendon]

yeah was gonna ask

[robust tendon]

i forget but late 15th i believe

1470 ish if i remember correctly

[junior kayak]

more from this source

[restive geyser]

In fiore fencing manual about spears, he recommends you try and break the shaft in one of his fencing tips if you are wearing plate

and then wrestle the spear user

[junior kayak]

closing the distance is always the goal i guess

[restive geyser]

Breaking the shaft seems

unreasonable

and honestly kind of impossible

why not just grab it and deck the fucking guy

[junior kayak]

it sounds like either a misinterpretation or he was just wrong

[restive geyser]

well

in most fencing manuals

they tell you to do stuff that works

and has proven to work

so to some degree, this MUST'VE happened and it must have worked

[junior kayak]

perhaps hes talking about fighting levy armies who dont really have the quality shafts we have access to today

considering fencing shafts broke on me before way faster than expected when going cheap it sounds plausible

[restive geyser]

does it flex?

if it flexes than thats the point

[junior kayak]

well yea, not splinter

[restive geyser]

the flexing on a shaft for fencing is so it doesn't cause the most painful injuries possible

there a reason why basically ever single fencing manual about polearms tells you to bash them with the shaft itself at some point

shit is not fun

[restive geyser]

I've seen people use shafts that don't flex

It makes me terrified because of the horror stories i was told of Hema injuries related to spear duels

[fast pagoda]

@vocal vale

[vocal vale]

he’s not talking about fighting anybody in an army and if you’re doing armored spear fighting you have a good spear

[vocal vale]

where is this quote btw

[coral path]

❓

[junior kayak]

Don't have a source sorry

[coral path]

Heres this

(And reposted images)

[vocal vale]

it’s from one of the fiore manuscripts

it’s like the second or third one

[sterile crane]

Did people use brass rings on maille armor to make a gilded look?

Or an alloy of similar color

[vocal vale]

a brass or gold finish

not actually made of that metal

[sterile crane]

Oh okay, i though that the finish would wear out kinda fast cus the rings rub on each other

[vocal vale]

it's metal

[sterile crane]

Wait how thick is the layer of gilding that they usually put over the metal

[restive geyser]

its in the hroarr fencing pdfs for fiore and vadi

the pdf itself is techniques from the Spear: King of weapons by Mathieu Ravignat

this must've worked in some way or form? because in the second variation, its stated to go back to this if the second variation did not work. (which is too simply grab the spear from the opponent and use it against them)

but i doubt your breaking the shaft, with or without plate

[sterile crane]

This sallet is aparently Ca 1475-80 is that pushing it? Idk if it fits in some way on the game's setting but its pretty unique for something so early

[vocal vale]

might be figurative like taking it off the intended line of attack

like breaking the thrust

[restive geyser]

Maybe

But breaking the staff is clearly applying to the shaft itself

I would love to test this against honestly any armored person

Even a Buhurt loser

I wanna know if this would actually work

Hema is about consistency, there no way in hell this will be consistent, and since fiore teachings were supposed to be universal among all polearms, i doubt this would work against the thicker wooden poles of like an poleaxe

[slate mulch]

how do you even end up drawing daggers while fighting longsword without any armor on

[vocal vale]

from an unarmed longsword fencer it happens semi frequently

[slate mulch]

quite suprising

[vocal vale]

considering it’s a translation and as you have said it’s unrealistic i don’t think it’s crazy to say he may just mean displacing it

[restive geyser]

Hell

Even polearms have dagger forms

Where you use your polearm as a parrying device to close the distance and stab your opponent in the chest or you use the knife as a parrying weapon and stab them

[restive geyser]

Yeah, I would love to be proven wrong on whether or not this would work.

I think it'd be fucking metal seeing a knight just hammer fist my spear in half

[slate mulch]

evil knight lord

[coral path]

Wtf

Nothing about this is accurate at all

[lone osprey]

regarding the polished armour looking dark in art thing
I generally agree with crecy but this c.1470-75 painting is interesting for having clearly light and clearly dark armour side by side. could always have been due to restoration or some other reason anyway cant trust art 100%

[cunning mountain]

what's the ingame padded jack based on

[terse bronze]

probably those from Chronicles of Hainaut, 1450-1455

KBR 9242 - Chroniques de Hainaut

[covert shuttle]

impossible to visor lmfao\

[terse bronze]

doesn't need to anyway

not all sallets had visors

and this one's all'antica anyway, so used during ceremonies and shit

[covert shuttle]

true

i think sallets without visors are as badass as bascinets without visors

[terse bronze]

it's true

[covert shuttle]

welllllll

so are armets

but NOOOOO supposedly its nothing without its visor

[terse bronze]

early armets that didn't always have a visor were pretty dope

[covert shuttle]

like the ones with detachable visors

like the bascinet did

[terse bronze]

they all have that

[covert shuttle]

tomato

[terse bronze]

uh

[restive geyser]

Non visor Armets my beloved

[restive geyser]

Are you trying to say they are the same

If so it's Potayto, Potahto.

"Tomato" 😭 😭 😭 😭

[terse bronze]

Patate

[restive geyser]

Otato

[robust tendon]

sometimes it also looks so dark that it makes me think it could have possibly been blackened armor, but ofc there’s no way to rly be certain

this particular art piece i suspect may have been blackened armor

[restive geyser]

Reflective + blackened

Hence the super darkness likely

[robust tendon]

well ofc

[restive geyser]

I will add more to the "no shit", it's polished too

[robust tendon]

well yeah that’s why it’s reflective to begin with

[lethal adder]

wtf are "spauldrons"? i keep seeing people throw that term around online occasionally but ive never seen it used by armor enthusiasts so im assuming its made up fantasy stuff

is it just another name for pauldron?

[robust tendon]

sounds like made up nonsense

i suppose it’s something in between a spaulder and a pauldron but as i said sounds like nonsense to me

[restive geyser]

Doesn't sound legit

[restive geyser]

Pauldrons are mostly big while sapulders are mostly smaller, no?

How can it be both

[lethal adder]

ive seen extended spaulders that go more over the shoulder that people use that term with

[robust tendon]

im unsure how to put the distinction but it’s pretty much that spaulders only cover the shoulder/upper arm while pauldrons are larger and can cover parts of the upper back and chest

If that makes sense

[lethal adder]

but i mean those would just be segmented pauldrons or extended spaulders

[restive geyser]

But that's a spaulder

Just only a spaulder

[lethal adder]

yea

[restive geyser]

Oh ay i was correct

[restive geyser]

Spauldron would be a deformed flat and small shoulder armor that'd cover the back and front portion of shoulder

[coral path]

Guys post references

Cmon

[fleet junco]

he just took his ear

[void stream]

<@&1080390104562016306>

[quaint shore]

w sallets

[restive geyser]

But references scare me!!

[coral path]

Heres the vid pitombinha

Some different photos below

[void stream]

Oh i didn't saw it lol

so it's kinda a repost

My bad

[coral path]

Idm

[void stream]

Anyways thank you for letting me know

[vagrant wraith]

<@&1080390104562016306>

[warm marlin]

https://tenor.com/view/green-mile-im-tired-boss-michael-clarke-duncan-gif-2375696290766999196

[vagrant wraith]

i want him GONE

[void stream]

Doesn't fit in the game

[slate mulch]

bro looks like a ghoul

[coral path]

early

def not 1450-1470

[wanton lintel]

nn tem muita informação que que eu consegui achar mais voce esta correto é de 1970 perdão pelo transtorno

[coral path]

Está tudo bem! Não se preocupe com isso.

[wanton lintel]

eu fui atras de algum documento ou registro de 1450 -1470 e nn achei nada voce recomenda algum site ou algo do tipo pra achar algum registro?

[coral path]

Sim! Existem muitos recursos que você pode usar para encontrar informações sobre armaduras do período de 1450 a 1470. Deixe-me compartilhar alguns links.

https://www.metmuseum.org/art/collection/search?department=Arms+and+Armor&offset=0

[coral path]

Tudo tem que ser de origem europeia ocidental também.

https://www.khm.at/kunstwerke

[wanton lintel]

muito obrigado

[coral path]

Sem problemas!

[coral path]

Se você verificar as mensagens fixadas neste canal, encontrará muito mais informações.

[white fulcrum]

spauldron just sounds like someone conflating the two terms and mixing them together

[fleet junco]

demi pauldrons

[terse bronze]

You're portuguese ? Or Brazilian ig ?

[verbal jewel]

Are they going to add brigandines?

[desert wagon]

Def not

[earnest mango]

why not?

[terse bronze]

pretty sure they confirmed it

[terse bronze]

???

[desert wagon]

Idk I heard someone say they won’t add it, but i’d be happy enough if the devs would add a masterpiece of an armor

[terse bronze]

why would they not add it

[turbid shadow]

won't add it for hre faction, probably save it for the other regions though

[desert wagon]

Lessssssgooooooo

[terse bronze]

in the parts that are now belgium, netherlands, burgundy, eastern france (that were part of the hre at the time) they did use brigs btw

[verbal jewel]

Nice

[turbid shadow]

i mean a statement from three years ago pretty much says they do intend to add them at some point at least

[terse bronze]

me and who

[turbid shadow]

im the guy and the right

snazzy ass orle

that ms is pretty interesting

im not sure if they have covered cuirasses or that's just their arming doublets

[terse bronze]

for the first one i immediately thought about fluting

[earnest mango]

I think it's definitely a doublet

it's most apparent in the 3rd image

[turbid shadow]

probably a doublet yeah

[robust tendon]

for the first one it could be a weird way of drawing maille, or at least it kinda looks like that to me

[restive geyser]

We have the plackard, which is usually used with brigandines

[restive geyser]

Forgor to share tis

[restive geyser]

Brigandines would be kind of dumb to not add

[terse bronze]

debated topic....

[restive geyser]

Is it not true?

[terse bronze]

it's debated

to begin wih placarts were "usually" worn with breastplates

forming a cuirass

as for these that show up in french/burgundian iconography, they're most likely some sort of cover worn on top of the breastplate but under the placart (there's clear sources showing this being done notably in italy with giorneas)

maybe some could be actual brigandines with placarts, and others covered cuirasses, who knows

that's why I said debated

[desert wagon]

Now I remember those old illustrations

[restive geyser]

I kind of view this as a

Plausible

There was 100% knights and soldiers ingeneral who likely wore the brig with a plackard

But the exact amount isn't clear

But since the Plackard in half sword is seemingly it's own distinct armor piece (tier 2 while at it)

It does seem the devs have a plan to make the plackard be used with the brig

[desert wagon]

Would be badass

[robust tendon]

imo most likely not

[terse bronze]

thing is what sources are you using to back that claim that it did happen ?

[robust tendon]

I don’t see why someone would wear a brig with plackart

[terse bronze]

every sources that mention or show something like it is just not clear enough

[restive geyser]

I would try and show, but like I am not at my pc and i have work in a few minutes 😭

[robust tendon]

there’s quite literally nothing to suggest it was done except visual sources which are prob just covered breastplates

there are no written sources except one and that one is far from certain that it means brig with plackart

[quaint shore]

Most “brig with plackart” depictions were usually just covered cuirasses

(iirc) there were no historical basis behind brigs with plackarts

[quaint shore]

i sea

[terse bronze]

Like the burgundian ordonnance that do mention "brigandine with placart" mention the placart having a lance rest, which is .. a bit weird for wht we commonly see as a placart now
many people believe what they call "placart a arrest" can almost be compared to some kind of breastplate perhaps

again, the use and, on that topic, the popularity of wearing a placart with a brig is far from being clear

[robust tendon]

to elaborate on this it seems very redundant to wear a plackart over a brigandine, why would you wear double layered plate instead of just using a bp with the plackart

unless it was a brigandine breastplate but there are no sources for that afaik

[coral path]

Nah i just used translate

[terse bronze]

wow!

[restive geyser]

Cheater!!

[coral path]

https://tenor.com/view/roll-knights-gif-5364815

[coral path]

New post

[coral path]

Tabard references

[terse bronze]

hamer

pretty clear placart over covered cuirass

woa

[restive geyser]

Holy colorful

[ancient pivot]

yoo I've made this

[coral path]

Dude thats dope af

[cold monolith]

Ts looks straight out of a medieval fantasy novel or smth

[terse bronze]

cuz it was drawn by victorians

who notably sucks at anything medieval armor related

[void stream]

I don't see this in the art channel art 👀

[terse bronze]

compare it to the real tapestry it's so cool

[terse bronze]

Also no idea why they mention it being Charles VII when it's most likely supposed to be clovis

[prisma raven]

Saint Ladislaus, Saint Emeric, and Saint Stephen. Painting from the altar of the church of Szepeshely. ca. 1478

[ancient pivot]

yeah I forget to post stuff in here, made this one quite a while ago though

[cold monolith]

I see

[fast pagoda]

get me on the mod team I can get these fellers

@wary bear Please do away with them sir

[wary bear]

Maybe

They need money too

[fast pagoda]

their usefulness ended I already claimed the money they were giving, now they have to go

Im rich

[prisma raven]

https://digital.bodleian.ox.ac.uk/objects/ea22834d-7e38-4af6-88c8-6f38249e3d05/

[terse bronze]

<@&1080390104562016306>

[quaint shore]

oof, a nitro profile too

[wary bear]

Yall

Better stop falling for scams

[quaint shore]

my shit was fake as hell

aint NOBODY fallin for indeed bro

[terse bronze]

natural selection tbh

[livid wadi]

brother

i sent a joke gif

making fun of the scammed

[terse bronze]

you're not allowed to

stay on TOPIC !

[livid wadi]

mb gang realised that after i sent it that this is the wrong channel for that but uhh didnt get scammed

[quaint shore]

Grrr..

[livid wadi]

cuz i got kicked

[terse bronze]

idk everytime I see something not embedding i assume it's a scam

[livid wadi]

k

[terse bronze]

weird ass scams that post pics instead of links how does that even work

[quaint shore]

they probably think its gonna get some guy to look up "free elon musk money" and click on the first link

that or look at any weird links inside the image its-self

[terse bronze]

peculiar

[quaint shore]

my guess is that since its a picture and not a link, and also is taken from an iphone they'd think its real or sum shit

anyways, Sallet rat-tails anyone?

[robust tendon]

sallet rat tails?

[quaint shore]

the nape protection thingamabob

[robust tendon]

oh u mean lobstertails

[quaint shore]

eh

close enough

rat-tails is funnier

[fast pagoda]

idk if this one works the same (not like I'm gonna check it out), but there were ones where the img was an embed to a website that looked like discord asking you to log in, then you put your info in and boom.

that one was different though, cause it was made to look like it wasn't loading--which would make you think you needed to click view original to see what it was (taking you to the site)--so either this one is different, or people are actually silly enough to press view original on an obvious scam and then type in their discord info

[coral path]

Victorians for some reason had a hard time reproducing historical armor

(Im assuming its victorian)

[fast pagoda]

well they drew it fairly similarly to the original they just colored it differently in a lot of odd ways; swapped the blues and reds, didn't make the coat go over his chest, etc.

either way the real reason it looks like it's out of a fantasy novel is because the armor is fantasy even in the original tapestry

[cold monolith]

this is so cool though

[terse bronze]

<@&1080390104562016306>

[restive geyser]

Target impressionable stupid children

Sometimes the image itself can be the scam

Like a masked link

I've seen a lot of scams since i moderated for a server in like 2022 up till now, the image ones of like Kai cenat twitter with a link is always so dumb to me

<@&1080390104562016306>

https://tenor.com/view/ironic-star-wars-chode-gif-5274592

[wind widget]

https://tenor.com/view/clay-punch-rage-gif-20465822

[restive geyser]

Soon as I was talking about those scams one happens

💀

[wary bear]

This channel keeps getting scam attempts

I blame you history buffs

[terse bronze]

<@&1080390104562016306> hi guys

[turbid shadow]

la killa

[rocky sand]

too many scams :(

[wind widget]

https://tenor.com/view/smiling-friends-boss-pim-smiling-friends-hug-super-monkey-ball-i-didn't-know-you-liked-super-monkey-ball-gif-7731297897694981411

[restive geyser]

Someone invest into a iron dome for this channel

[void stream]

Epithaph of Hermann von Harras (1451)

[robust tendon]

love those besagews

[void stream]

We all love besagews

[coral path]

imma make a post dedicated to effigies

[coral path]

wtf

[late ocean]

This is for celebrating defeating that black suit guy

I took a photo with his head too but I don't know where it had gone

[coral path]

Do you have a reference from the time period the game takes place?

[late ocean]

Nah

[vivid solar]

<@&1080390104562016306>

https://tenor.com/view/murder-spongebob-rainbow-gif-15431155

same bot posted here and kinstrife server at the same time lmao

again????

mfs

[scenic wadi]

https://tenor.com/view/npesta-arms-arm-flailing-youtube-geometry-dash-gif-10866836131082000560

[vivid solar]

🫡

[coral path]

Gonna repost this cuz its cool.

[amber fiber]

whos coat of arms is this?

[amber fiber]

i already found out myself like an hour ago after a bit of google searching so disregard the question

[cold monolith]

Is that roblox?

[cold atlas]

it is

[restive geyser]

Anything but references

[restive geyser]

Loving that mail skirt

[vocal vale]

sicily

[vocal vale]

oh

disregards you

[coral path]

San Giorgio 1450 - 1460 ca. Faenza

[cloud siren]

great bascinet italian armor from the Three in the Kunsthistorisches Museum, Vienna , source : myArmory.com

[coral path]

Someone new actually gave a decent reference!

[void stream]

rare occurrence

[desert wagon]

Great bascinets are very good looking bascinets

Das all I gotta say

[sterile crane]

Look at those sabatons, they're their own weapons

[ancient pivot]

are they gonna kiss

[terse bronze]

Not this painted sallet again

Crazy how damaging to the armor community this simple paint on a sallet was

[vivid solar]

?

[terse bronze]

Because at some point (less of a thing now) you would see painted sallets like that EVERYWHERE

and there's no sources backing it

the guy himself said it wasn't based on anything and just did it because it looked cool

[quaint shore]

the painted sallet does go hard tho.. but i get what you mean

[vivid solar]

Damn

[slate mulch]

https://tenor.com/view/shrug-dexter-morgan-idk-gif-2440520923239485215

i know they used tung oil or smth but idk about paint so i have no opinion on this

[robust tendon]

linseed oil

[vocal vale]

tung

[slate mulch]

yes thank you

forgot which just knew it was oil

[coral path]

whats up with the spams lately

[prisma raven]

https://www.facebook.com/MedievalAdvisor/posts/pfbid02SirSB7Yj7mU5Ua56ruj7MNNVw9FMQUK83tjeg2XvLtgV6r7bJanEw9sxNeBaP6Dgl

1470-1480 Flanders - Hours of Maria of Burgundy
ÖNB Cod. 1857

[restive geyser]

@vocal vale Sorry to bother, but I would like to have you expertise in this manner.

I told you before i learned from Fiore manuals, and part of that is learning other polearms outside of the main one i learned (spear)

in fiore pollaxe teachings, he mentions in the stance of the Short Serpent you could penetrate cuirasses and breastplates.

Its not mentioned if this is only for like cheap untaken care of armory but I would like to know, what could this be referring to?

and i doubt this is a mistranslation, since its always the same words

[vocal vale]

tbh a pollax probably does have to capability to pierce a breastplate under ideal conditions

hold on

[restive geyser]

we are talking about the point on the end btw

[vocal vale]

i am aware

with a full force thrust with a pollax you probably have a decent shot at perforating just under the armpit or the paunce of plates

[restive geyser]

oh hey this is cool

[lone osprey]

about the 1493 pas des armes de Sandricourt

[vocal vale]

we’re sure this means the plate itself?

[lone osprey]

nah not sure at all lol it could very well mean some other part of the armour, you're right

[amber fiber]

what the fuck is this meant to represent

[desert wagon]

3 men

[quaint shore]

do i ping mod team

[restive geyser]

<@&1080390104562016306> SMITE THY MAN

[rocky sand]

Double killed

[rocky sand]

Ye but not anymore

[quaint shore]

ok

[terse bronze]

that was fast

[terse bronze]

<@&1080390104562016306>

[wary bear]

Geeze Louise

[scenic wadi]

https://tenor.com/view/sea-lion-sped-up-silly-goober-sea-gif-1807503861489774979

[void stream]

"Simon de Varie Kneeling in Prayer", from a folio page dated 1455, by Jean Fouquet

[prisma raven]

Jean Fouquet is le goat btw

[terse bronze]

the jean fouquet situation is crazy

[robust tendon]

sun in splendor my beloved

[terse bronze]

it's true you know

<@&1080390104562016306>

[wary bear]

Ffs

[warm marlin]

why is it always this damn channel?

[terse bronze]

fuck our nerdchud life..

[scenic wadi]

https://tenor.com/view/what-the-flip-cat-flipping-cat-caption-what-the-flip-cat-gif-6424115877871372453

[void stream]

Cuz this is the cool guys channel

[vocal vale]

everybody in here is fiending for discussion

[coral path]

Reposting this

[fleet junco]

is this a good morgan bible

[desert wagon]

That plackart looks nice

[desert wagon]

Gooba’s grandfather

[dim mauve]

Absolutely gorgeous

[quaint shore]

GTFO...

<@&1080390104562016306>

[warm marlin]

😔

[quaint shore]

noo.. I dont mean it im sorry

[gaunt radish]

<@&1080390104562016306> crypto casino scam 🙂

[wind widget]

thanks

[gaunt radish]

🫡

[wary bear]

You know what

Im starting to think you guys are just messing with us

And just making fake bot accounts to ping us

[quaint shore]

What makes you say that

[wary bear]

Im a victim

Son of a bitch

[quaint shore]

LOL

[wary bear]

Tell me im wrong

[quaint shore]

WHAT IS THAT TIMING BRO

[wary bear]

You can’t

[quaint shore]

noooo we arent doing anything

i promise

[wary bear]

Sureee i believe you

[quaint shore]

mhm

[wary bear]

https://tenor.com/view/doakes-im-watching-you-gif-16773151899168519026

[quaint shore]

QUICKLY SCAM BOT #150

[quaint shore]

Hey

You cant make this shit up even if you tried

<@&1080390104562016306>

[wary bear]

WHATRE YOU DOING NEET

[quaint shore]

nothiiinggg

[rocky sand]

https://tenor.com/view/fuck-merde-the-offic-argh-scream-gif-21560129

[quaint shore]

The actual onslaught

Next scam bot soon

Watch

[wary bear]

NEET Scam bot #151

[quaint shore]

Go my little mites

[quaint shore]

You know it

[coral path]

Wtf is happening to this channel

[vivid solar]

Bandits be raiding our camp at an alarming rate

[restive geyser]

https://youtube.com/shorts/m0f5qKeBv08?si=XDi2JbN6WsrtGhqq

Tis a good vid or nah?

[slate mulch]

other than the fact its like 12th century stuff yea

[hardy igloo]

keep this guy in the back of your mind

[terse bronze]

Well that's a gooba so what

[hardy igloo]

make him watch the fights from the sidelines

[terse bronze]

13

[coral path]

Helmets were bad repros

[restive geyser]

thats it?

[slate mulch]

close enough

[robust tendon]

seems mostly fine besides one of the helmets

also worth noting that the visible aketon under the maille isn't accurate iirc

[coral path]

Definitely wouldn't use them as a reenactment modern repro reference for 13th century

[restive geyser]

i think rly it was just to show off how much of a pain in the ass it was for putting on chainmail

[vagrant wraith]

<@&1080390104562016306>

[scenic wadi]

https://tenor.com/view/npesta-arms-arm-flailing-youtube-geometry-dash-gif-10866836131082000560

[warm marlin]

https://tenor.com/view/yzma-cartoon-animated-disney-emperors-new-groove-gif-8901375426031803920

[wind widget]

https://tenor.com/view/rezero-subaru-subaru-spiderman-2098-re-zero-subaru-re-zero-subaru-death-stare-gif-12504471671407549520

[void stream]

At this point mods are just getting crazy with this channel

https://tenor.com/view/corndog-cat-corndogcat-cat-corndog-cat-corndog-gif-4306271185269626105

[vocal vale]

look good to me

[coral path]

These?

[robust tendon]

the left one is okay i think

right one is bad

[vocal vale]

yuh

[slate mulch]

colander

[agile kindle]

<@&1080390104562016306>
scum here

[wary bear]

SHOCKER

You know, it would be one thing if the scam bots posted everywhere else also, but they literally only post in here now and ignore the other channels 95% of the time. When I find the guy making these scam bots ur in soooo much trouble

You history nerds…

[vivid solar]

it's me, I'm the scam bot manufacturer

i built them all with my own two hands

[livid wadi]

why do they love this channel so much?

never see them anywhere else

[coral path]

someones trolling

[quaint shore]

ok i would jest about it being me the defacto villian but now it feels like an actual concern

whos doing this shit

[verbal bramble]

Interesting... Does this mean that, with a full force thrust, a pollaxe could pierce a brigandine? And if so, how deep does the front spike go?

[desert wagon]

<@&1080390104562016306>

Damn logan

[restive geyser]

The front spike length seemingly depends on person, but generally they can go pretty far

I think the furthest the spike can be is 8 or 10 inches

And full force stab might be able to get pretty deep

But idk armor thickness for it

[verbal bramble]

I meant how deep would the top spike go into the body, assuming they pierce the brigandine- Apologies, I should have been clearer

[verbal bramble]

<@&1080390104562016306> We got a bot

[wary bear]

What a SHOCKER IN REFERENCES

[coral path]

MODS

[verbal bramble]

Thank you guys

[wary bear]

They still haven’t gone to the other channels

This is nuts

Yall are being targeted fr

[warm marlin]

it didn't

[verbal bramble]

They have sent messages to other chats

[warm marlin]

it wasn't in gen and halfcord chat

[wary bear]

Shhhh

[verbal bramble]

Yep- I LIED!

[wary bear]

Please don’t argue with moderation

[terse bronze]

<@&1080390104562016306>

[warm marlin]

might have to lockdown this channel

[wary bear]

https://tenor.com/view/everything-is-fine-itsfine-burning-flame-my-life-going-so-far-gif-5182223

[livid wadi]

theres probably a bot that deletes the scam message thing

since its such a common scam

[wary bear]

You can’t automod images unfortunately so it just sends as image links since they don’t have image perms most of the time

No real way to stop them, just get rid of them as they come

Ive seen other servers have a specific channel that bans anyone who talks in it, made to trap scam bots

That could work

But that also just bans anyone who talks there

[livid wadi]

dont all the images come from a singular server id? couldnt you automod the server id

[unkempt rampart]

Might have to lock the channel down and make a new one

Or transform this one into a honeypot

[haughty creek]

I feel like at this point, more scams are being posted than references

[lethal adder]

yea.

kinda at the point now where ive mostly stopped checking the channel lmao

[vivid solar]

There's a movement to kill the references - to turn halfsword into fantasy slop!

[lethal adder]

its so over..

[lethal adder]

were so back.

[vivid solar]

Lmao i open this channel and the first message I see is "its so over" then scroll by a bunch of refs and see this

Peak storytelling

[unkempt rampart]

Real

[lone osprey]

here ya go
from Will McLean *Outrance and Plaisance * page 156 in Journal of Medieval Military History VIII

and that highlighted passage is from this text which sounds like a credible source to me but I haven't looked into it

[lone osprey]

In context

also bearing in mind not necessarily the plate itself, but what could be a weaker spot where two plates are joined? whatever he means by ribbe (could also be anatomical ofc)

[vocal vale]

awesome

[lethal adder]

out of curiosity does anyone know if wrappers for armets have been confirmed yet?

the little bevor thingie (i dont actually know if wrapper or wrap is the right word for it lmao)

[void stream]

I believe that at this stage of the game's development, this is already available in early access

since many armor sets will arrive in early access

So I think there's a good chance it's already in early access

Of course, I'm not confirming anything, just speculating

[cloud rapids]

fantasy slop? like for honor???

[coral path]

Yes

[cloud rapids]

for honor is bottom 1 “medieval” games out there

[coral path]

I despise that game

[unkempt rampart]

That game did irreparable damage to how armor is viewed

The visored barbute is everywhere as a direct result of it

[vivid solar]

Idk anything about for honour besides that it looks shit

[lethal adder]

i thought the premise was neat. thats really the only complement i can give it.

[lone osprey]

fella looks like hes going up the ladder with an armet on
c.1460 Siege of Carthage and the Continence of Scipio

[terse bronze]

remind me of that one siege scene with crossbowmen wearing what looks like armets

@prisma raven maybe cama has it

[prisma raven]

shit, I think I've forgotten which one you mean

#1447306092957663424 message unless it's one of these

[terse bronze]

yeah it's this one

[prisma raven]

another guy with an armet

[terse bronze]

<@&1080390104562016306>

[scenic wadi]

AAAAAAAGGH GET OUT OF MY HEAD GET OUT OF MY HEAD GET OUT OF

[terse bronze]

tbh kinda makes sense to wear a ""heavy"" helmet for siege assault i'm thinking

big quotes on heavy you get what I mean

[prisma raven]

yeah

1420-1440 approx so a bit early

[coral path]

interesting repro

[restive geyser]

Not even

The premise is ruined by the stupid lore

[restive geyser]

Their excuse is that the armor in for honor is made quick and low effort on purpose, to explain the terrible historical accuracy

[coral path]

Sankt Göran and an Apostle (1468), Unknown Lübeck Master, Storkyrkan, Stockholm.

(Scandinavian)

"Sankt Jörgen (~1464), Valløby kirke, Sjælland, Danmark. The altar table was donated by Oluf Axelsøn Thott who died in 1464 and juding by the armour Sankt Jörgen wears here it was likely painted around the date of Thott's death. The question of where this was painted is difficult. The harness certainly resembles some of the ones seen in contemporary Lübekc made altar tables but this could have been sourced from as afar afeld as Bavaria. However, the altar contains a portaraint fo Thott painted by the same hand aas the rest of the altar so if it was made to resmble him this was more likely painted by a N-German or Flemish painter or workshop."

[coral path]

those who noes...

[fast pagoda]

talhoffer-pilled

[coral path]

[vivid solar]

Oh my days

Bro LET IT COME OUT

[vivid solar]

Beauty

[coral path]

Why aren't we posting references

Post more

[vapid basalt]

goodness gracious what is this

[vivid solar]

Mod for bannerlord

Not out yet

Looking amazing though

[coral path]

Dell'arte Della Guerra

[vapid basalt]

thank you goats

[vivid solar]

You want the invite to their discord?

[fleet junco]

because we posted all we could find

[coral path]

Very nice sallet

[vocal vale]

me when…. um… me when uh

https://tenor.com/view/uuh-ahh-turtle-tortoise-interview-gif-2275475775004195204

[coral path]

[lone osprey]

feels north italian pilled or something like that

[sullen charm]

👋

[sterile crane]

Sallet with visor raised is so fire

[thorny otter]

hey i've seen that one somewhere today

[thorny otter]

honestly i wear mine raised most of the time, basically all the time outside when it's required by ruleset

[vocal vale]

i’m thinking french

[sweet bone]

Brigande my beloved ❤️

[coral path]

brigandine* lmao

[coral path]

love how these are extants

not all of them fit the period but yk

[bright token]

I really like his armour

It has what look like buckle for holding great bascinet or bevor?

[coral path]

1450-1451 St. Pontianus

[void stream]

okay now this is freaking awesome

[light haven]

http://www.dodedans.com/Eindex.htm

bit sad that i can't post the images here