references♥_1450-1470

[terse bronze]

and I would make an argument that lifting your visor up (with a sallet for instance) to act as a reinforcement too

[restive geyser]

You could

Theoretically

There a lot of manuscripts

With soldiers with sallets and the visor up in combat

[vagrant wraith]

i agree

its a second layer

[restive geyser]

Likely with the intention for that kind of forehead protection

[slate mulch]

the humble thrust

[restive geyser]

No face protection helmets is old as dirt

[vagrant wraith]

yeah thats an instance where a visor would be good

[slate mulch]

yeag

[terse bronze]

tbh I go by the principle that professional soldiers from back then very much knew what they were doing, can't really stand redditors & discord mf that go "bruuuh obviosu flaw, just stab his face !! XD"

[terse bronze]

well

[slate mulch]

yea ik

[restive geyser]

It's the principal of "i would rather get cut in the face than getting my dome slashed through."

[terse bronze]

Moreso "I would rather be able to breathe, hear and see what the fuck is going on while still having protection on my head, and since most attacks are more succeptible from coming from above i'm willing to sacrifice not having a bevor or visor (/or having it up"

[restive geyser]

That too

[restive geyser]

Then this shouldn't be a shocking factor

[terse bronze]

Broken bones were also less of an issue than cuts and puncture wounds

well, "less of an issue"

let's say they prefered having a broken arm than having a cut wound on the arm

[restive geyser]

Some of the most oldest head protection was just to protect the back of your head and top of it

[slate mulch]

nah

[terse bronze]

That's why ye olde gambesons weren't really that much "anti shock" actually

[restive geyser]

I don't even think face protection on helmets was ever a popular thing till medieval europe did it

[terse bronze]

but protected fairly well against cuts

[restive geyser]

There a name for this but i can't remember it

[terse bronze]

padded?

[restive geyser]

Oh no

I mean like

[silver grotto]

Shock absorption

[restive geyser]

Expecting what they are using

[quaint shore]

shock proof?

[restive geyser]

no

[restive geyser]

Preparing soldiers with protection against more common weaponry

You're going to see more polearms and swords than you are going to see a bunch of blunt weapons

[terse bronze]

well uh preparing ?

[slate mulch]

whats broklahoma on about

[restive geyser]

There a name for it but yeah let's use that 💔

[quaint shore]

ion know

[terse bronze]

briefing ?

[restive geyser]

Nvm i got it

It's like the opposite of survivorship bias

[restive geyser]

Wearing armor to protect against what is most common

[terse bronze]

ew

[restive geyser]

You're likely to die more from cuts and stabs

So armor evolved to protect against it

[slate mulch]

whats wrong with it

[terse bronze]

it's ugly

[slate mulch]

🥀

[restive geyser]

The tassets look awful

Tf is that protecting

😭

[terse bronze]

the lack of maille and the sleeves peaking out of the cuffs are strong signs that whatever this image is, a reenactor (and not a pvery good one) was used

[night kindle]

i want to vomit

why

[terse bronze]

or multiple instances of reenactorism anyway

[coral path]

whats this

[slate mulch]

image

[restive geyser]

I just realized there a coif

[restive geyser]

The funny part for me how expensive his armor looks, yet he can't afford mail seemingly lmfao

He blew his money on the plate 💔

[terse bronze]

yeah that's one of the reenactorism I mentioned

[slate mulch]

dunno

same guy drew this

[quaint shore]

Hello Mull

[restive geyser]

why does he look like chuck Norris?

[slate mulch]

this feels like a knight errant draw over

[restive geyser]

https://tenor.com/view/sei-maga-sei-seiyans-sei-seiyan-sei-memes-sei-gifs-gif-8062903370476103052

[slate mulch]

good question

[restive geyser]

what kind of bevor is that?

i never seen them so low

[coral path]

you can raise it and lower it

[vagrant wraith]

maybe its articulated

[slate mulch]

sliding rivet methinks

[terse bronze]

It's a bit better

[restive geyser]

Not a huge fan of the random gloves, is that just me?

[slate mulch]

dunno about the gloves but that kettle doesnt sit right with me

[slate mulch]

holy chopped

[terse bronze]

Eh, it's whatever to me

[restive geyser]

That's cool as hell

[vagrant wraith]

what book is this

[restive geyser]

It just feels random, why is this guy wearing half kit and just with random gloves on not even mail gloves or something

[coral path]

love this book

[vagrant wraith]

thank you

[slate mulch]

mail gloves ? with a crossbow ?

[terse bronze]

Yes with a crossbow

gauntlets with a crossbow too

[slate mulch]

feels clunky idk

[terse bronze]

you don't need incredible finesse to operate a crossbow

[restive geyser]

You literally crank them

With some

[slate mulch]

yes i can see the cranky thingymabob

[restive geyser]

You need to do a drawback with a weird stick i forgot what it's called

[terse bronze]

Cranequin

[terse bronze]

goat's foot

[slate mulch]

yes that

[restive geyser]

Thank you kevlar lol

[slate mulch]

forgot the spelling

[terse bronze]

i mean even before cranequins dudes had maille mittens and used crossbows

[slate mulch]

[terse bronze]

aaaaaa !!! he's gonna halberd my ass !!!!

[slate mulch]

id be happy as shit too if i had a volgue like that

[restive geyser]

Charles?

[restive geyser]

.....

[coral path]

hmm?

[terse bronze]

lol

[slate mulch]

hm?

[coral path]

🤣

[restive geyser]

https://tenor.com/view/lebron-james-leaving-walk-out-walk-away-gif-12008922

[coral path]

hes baiting

[slate mulch]

https://tenor.com/view/smile-smirk-try-not-to-laugh-gif-20026966

[coral path]

dw its baitt

[restive geyser]

Why do i find this funny, tf is wrong with me

[slate mulch]

everything i say is either bait or not thought out at all

[restive geyser]

Seen him a few times, i adore this kit

[terse bronze]

Hoooooyyyyy mollyyyyy

[restive geyser]

Damn... when can i get this in half sword...

[coral path]

real

[restive geyser]

Steel skirts... is that what that is?

[terse bronze]

wait I think i know who made it

[restive geyser]

Because... i fucking love steel skirts..

[terse bronze]

is it done by art of steel?

[restive geyser]

Holy fuck

That is beautiful

[coral path]

pretty sure it is

it has a A on it

[terse bronze]

oooggg....

[restive geyser]

Rondel my beloved

[terse bronze]

we have rondel armet

where's bollocks armet???

[terse bronze]

checkmate

[restive geyser]

Modern militaries need to bring back rondels fr

Tactical rondel

[coral path]

heels sabatons

[restive geyser]

Seeing willie in those bad boys 🔥

[coral path]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g42L3tXL-jM

Reginald Cobham Ca.1446

the latest this kinda armour goes for is 1450.

[restive geyser]

So since we are getting the ability to add rondels to armor in half sword

I hope we can customize the rondel appearance

[coral path]

1476

[restive geyser]

#1287593500208005200

[lone osprey]

Yeah and this illustration is thought to be c1450-60
https://www.imagesonline.bl.uk/asset/159577

[coral path]

Hard to tell if its 1460. Id probably say 1450

(Based off the armor)

[terse bronze]

goes so hard

[restive geyser]

worlds smallest pollaxe

[restive geyser]

What is your thoughts on kinstrife

Armory

[terse bronze]

it looks promising but I haven't heard about it in a while

[restive geyser]

They had a big news drop earlier

Horses and jousting

[coral path]

Yeah the devs are really nice to talk to

Kinstrife is goated

[restive geyser]

<@&1080390104562016306> This is a scam...

So idk ping role is.allowed for this situation

Thanks whoever did that, reference channel loves u

[restive geyser]

I think they are giving out keys for it or smthing

[coral path]

No.

Ive been in their server

[restive geyser]

Oh fr? I got lied to...

[coral path]

Wdym?

[restive geyser]

Someone said they were giving out steam keys

[coral path]

Nah not rn

(Odds are I'd be playing it rn)

🤣

[restive geyser]

I doubt we'll say anything crazy soon

Late 2026 is like the most i'd expect

[coral path]

The game has been made since 2018 and they said its gonna release soon.

Its been worked on more than hs

[vivid solar]

The combat looked really wonky in the trailer

[restive geyser]

It's entirely physics based

Its basically like half sword

But the combat there is more

Physics

[vivid solar]

It says that but in the trailer it looked like they were performing fixed moves, and only the reactions were physics based

[restive geyser]

I think that's just how they were using the weapons

The person playing was clearly trying to use hema

[vivid solar]

Didnt look like it

[vivid solar]

Where do i see this?

[coral path]

@vivid solar

[coral path]

No they have a relatively different combat system

[vivid solar]

Very hype, but why the fuck are all the sneak peaks posted in #general-catfish-🐱🐟

Even for HS

Like how am i supposed to find these cool things 😭

[coral path]

Its in dev updates in kinstrife discord

[vivid solar]

Anyway i went through the Kinstrife timeline. Seems to be aiming for a more in depth, smaller scale bannerlord experience, which is very cool. I'm excited now

[vivid solar]

Ty

[coral path]

Idk about bannerlord experience but something close to hs

But with campaigns and stuff

From building, traveling, dialouge, and even trading

Missions will be involved too

[vivid solar]

Bannerlord experience lol

I dont think we can compare to HS, because we have no idea what HS will be

I'm still unsure if the areas teased for Steam Next Fest are all part of one big map or are their own individual maps that we spawn and fight in like in the demo

I hope it's the former but am inclined to believe it's the latter

[coral path]

The devs said the game will be level based, which will be different from kinstrife, but it probably means the maps will be separate

Kinstrife will probably have one big map or two

I do know that the maps for kinstrife are gonna be bigger

[restive geyser]

Multiple gamemodes

We have a basic idea

Gauntlet is seemingly the main gamemode

Free play will remain

And other gamemodes are labeled brainrot

For the time being

[coral path]

Still tho.. it hasn't even released ea

[restive geyser]

This was in the stream iirc

[coral path]

Yeah this games gonna be sick

[restive geyser]

Guantlet will be changed doe

It'll be a economy based gamemode

[restive geyser]

Remember that video of the spending money to buy stuff?

Yeah that's the guantlet

[coral path]

Yeah I have it downloaded

[restive geyser]

Oh i asked

Mcwonder a question

About like other factions

I asked if we could see Burgundy and Swiss Confederacy

He gave the most cryptic answer ever

[vivid solar]

Kinda but not really
https://youtube.com/shorts/N3Qy5Ezc9oI?si=2IpD9i7wC78XMkk8

[restive geyser]

But better than nothing

[vivid solar]

My theory is the gauntlet mode will take place under the inn

It makes sense, because it's definitely not legal to be killing people during tournaments

So it seems likely it will be an underground thing

[coral path]

There will probably be more than one area for tourneys

[vivid solar]

Maybe a non-lethal version that's more open to the public and like what we see in the banner art

[restive geyser]

Cryptic.

[coral path]

That sounds like a maybe imo

[vivid solar]

Sounds like a yes to me

[coral path]

Same

[restive geyser]

I feel like Burgundy, and Swiss Confederacy are def happening

But Savoy

Idk

[vivid solar]

I wonder what the factions will even matter to the game besides maybe people wearing their colours

[coral path]

Isn't it western european

[restive geyser]

I think the house of savoy was like

On the border of south and western europe

[coral path]

If burgundy and Swiss is added Savoy will be too.

I don't even know if burgundy or Swiss will even be added yet either

They said in the past a dlc might occur for it

[restive geyser]

Swiss kind of makes sense

And Burgundy is mentioned but that doesn't mean it's full proof

[vivid solar]

Horses DLC above all else 🙏

[restive geyser]

Ai willies wear the faction colors

And we can likely rep them later

And they'd have a bigger impact possibly too

In like certain future gamemodes

Tho, i wonder.

Will factions be limited? By region or nah?

Like we could possibly see Poland or Spain, smthing crazy like that

[coral path]

Poland is slavic. Not western European.

Would love to see Iberian armour in this game.

[restive geyser]

I am just asking if there will be limits on what part of Europe is a no and okay

[coral path]

The game strictly takes place in central europe. Specifically the Holy Roman Empire. Its been confirmed. As far as western European factions go? Im not too sure myself. But western European armor in general? Probably more than OK to do.

[hoary dove]

i thought the english faction was the franco-british union, i thought it was like a medieval world war

[restive geyser]

The thing that sucks about maps and geography, is that fuckers can't agree what the fuck is what

[coral path]

What?

[hoary dove]

what

[restive geyser]

I've seen some central europe maps completely remove Germany, and others have Germany

[hoary dove]

Too much effort to draw all of the HRE

probably

[restive geyser]

Why can't people pick 💀

[hoary dove]

i made a eu4 game where there was a world war between the franco british union (mod), the german empire, lithuania, and the ottomans

i dont even remember who won i still have the save file

[restive geyser]

... i am talking modern

[hoary dove]

oh

weird

[restive geyser]

The arms of england is a Gallo-british coat of arms that was also the armorial bearings of Richard I

[hoary dove]

Oh

أنا Oh

[restive geyser]

And the Franco-british union is 20th century ww2 proposal, which i don't think ever happened

The closes think you have is the Auld Alliance

Which wasn't even england

It was between france and scotland

There is also the Angevin empire

But that isn't 15th century

[restive geyser]

Mordschlag, this chat desires armor posting

Before the mods find out this is just gen with extra steps

[coral path]

Manuscript??

[hoary dove]

Wasn’t there a possibility of a royal union between England and France

Most my historical knowledge from anything between 1444-1600 is from EU4

sorry if it’s messed up

[fleet junco]

shoes

[flat loom]

The horses Look majestic

[shell heron]

👋

[lone osprey]

Before 1450 - Trajan and Herkenbald

1453 Collection of statutes, privileges and documents concerning the cities of Flanders and especially Ghent, Cod. 2583 ÖNB, fol. 349v - The defeated citizens of Ghent plead with Philip the Good for mercy; in the background, the city of Ghent.

1450 The Legend of the Holy Cross [Zaragoza/Saragossa, Museo de Tapices la Seo] I
would be great to have a better quality image of this for some of the designs

II

Outfit of the guy with the sword and buckler reminds me of the reliquary
1467-71 Gérard Loyet - Reliquaire de Charles le Téméraire [Cathédrale Saint-Paul]

[restive geyser]

Not during the 100 year war

[restive geyser]

That halberd is funky

Wtf

No that's a pollaxe, oops

[lone osprey]

1448 Andrea del Castagno - Niccolò Acciaioli, Farinata degli Uberti, and Pippo Spano from Uomini Famosi [Uffizi]

[coral path]

Too early for game

[rigid crater]

Lemme try something else

[coral path]

Def too early

[rigid crater]

Yeah I need to take my pills
My very own 30 Mg of methylphenidate

[restive geyser]

I think i fixed the problem

[terse bronze]

I love the kettl st george has in this reliquary

[coral path]

just found out where this guy got his idea for his sallet

[terse bronze]

pauldrons too

[coral path]

The completion of work on Pauldrons of the Milanese armor of Sir Richard de Beauchamp, 13th Earl of Warwick, ca. 1450. By Steel Legacy

[terse bronze]

Erm.. doesn't fit the period 🤓

[coral path]

"its actually 1480... "

im just gonna start posting 1480 stuff in the other channel because I forgot it changed

Cologny. Fondation Martin Bodmer, Cod. Bodmer 160 Ca.1469

[vivid solar]

Isnt there a 10-year grace on either side?

[coral path]

https://iiif.biblissima.fr/collections/manifest/18dfb7964f8fc9ea7b2151cfb931ff0415485019 Anyways theres a shit ton of it and its dope af

[coral path]

what?

[vivid solar]

Like they'll consider stuff from 1440 and 1480?

Thought i saw that somewhere

[coral path]

same idk

im just gonna be strict abt it

[fleet junco]

r those sabatons for horse

[terse bronze]

no

[weak halo]

Aren't they stirrup?

[fleet junco]

at kevlar

[vocal vale]

Horseshoes, bro...

[fleet junco]

i meant like horse stirrups....
nvmm......

[slate mulch]

yea nah mate we gotta kill you with a rock now

[coral path]

Rothenburg ballock dagger repro North Italian, (Specifically Venetian) Ca.1450.

[slate mulch]

mirror polish or am i going crazy

[terse bronze]

Yes

[lone osprey]

ooh so thats the one that made it into the kitbashed german cavalry i commissioned that's awesome to know I had no idea what it was based on
https://www.cgtrader.com/3d-models/military/melee/bollock-dagger-model

because the museum its in says like jack all about it iirc (assuming its the same one - if not very similar)

[terse bronze]

Wait can you show the full thing ?

[fleet junco]

balls

[desert wagon]

ball dagger

[bright token]

Graham turner art

Look like the guy on the right is wearing french armour

[quaint shore]

nah thats english

I can tell by the besagew shape and sallet

[terse bronze]

https://tenor.com/view/does-he-know-paul-dano-riddler-somarra-gif-835799788689308789

[lone osprey]

m8 i love these illustrations but why some of those horses so low and fat

also can anyone read the French and explain why the guy in the last illustration is stabbing himself

[verbal bramble]

Look at them go!- HRE soldiers, I assume?

[terse bronze]

From what I could understand, because I struggle reading gothic font but it look like the knight is reporting something to the king and commit suicide in front of him but I can't quite make out why or if it's even true, I think I can read Theseus, Roy de Thebes and Forfait

[terse bronze]

Ur

[lone osprey]

couldnt Forfait at a more dramatic time

[terse bronze]

I think the king is supposed to be Eteocles of Thebes

Fucked up story...

[bright token]

I like the king’s cuisses

Those fluting look nice

[desert wagon]

Gloriously fine set of armor

[coral path]

True

[desert wagon]

This helm looks good

Among us

[coral path]

Capacetes are dope

Or cabasset

Whtvr

[desert wagon]

Pic reminded me of amongus

If ye give me these types of eyeslits sometimes it brings up amongus

[void stream]

C. 1477

[fast pagoda]

It also says edipus (oedipus) and joquaste (Jocasta) in some of the other pages so yea

[prisma raven]

https://flic.kr/p/a3vTs9

https://gallica.bnf.fr/ark:/12148/btv1b6000442d/f5.item

[terse bronze]

Coolest zombie

[restive geyser]

Not a zombie, he just so old due to waiting for half sword ea that his skin started to rot

[fast pagoda]

I can’t read French—middle or otherwise—but since I know it’s talking about Tydeus and Eteocles, I think this is what is happening here. It’s from the story of Thebes (le Roman de Thebes), which is what this manuscript is based on (as well as other ancient stories up to Caesar).

Tydeus had betrayed the king Eteocles and killed a good number of his men (but was also gravely wounded), and he sends back a messenger to the king, which sets up these passages. In the end, the messenger, condemned to death, elects to kill himself instead.

[prisma raven]

another rapier/spada da lato?

#1447340973528186880 message

[restive geyser]

That is a early rapier\side sword

The one he sent was confirmed by Sam

Oh wait you sent something

Oops

Oh wait nvm, I AM CONFUSED

[lone osprey]

thanks for breaking it down i couldnt find an explanation when i looked for the story lol

[lone osprey]

looks like sallet strap under the bevor. never appreciated this is it typical?

[lone osprey]

The original hits different

[vivid solar]

Wanna see what this will be used in

Unseen map or in the Jester's tower?

[coral path]

Well idk

I hope we get a little house or something lmao

Cathedrals ofc

Like were will the outhouse and the bird feeder? The forest? If so thats still pretty badass but a field would be sick with war tents n stuff

I think hs will focus more on tournaments though from what im told

Level based environments

[vivid solar]

The cart of horse shit will prob be in the streets map

[vivid solar]

War camp would be SICK

[coral path]

If there's like "outlaws" or "bandits" in the forest with tiny settlements... omg im gonna play thousands of hours on this game.

Since fire will be in the game we might see some camps

[vivid solar]

I dont wanna get my expectations too high

At the same time they have to have been cooking all this time

It's just hard to imagine the game as anything more than spawning in and killing guys in a ring lol

[coral path]

This game has unlimited potential

Anyways

[desert wagon]

willie

[desert wagon]

Brigands in half sword is a good concept they will def add

[vivid solar]

It's confirmed already

[desert wagon]

Lessgooooooo

[vivid solar]

Check the Steam Next Fest sneak peaks in #announcements

It's the first one with the forest map

[desert wagon]

Ye I know

[vivid solar]

In the description it talks about bandits and their camps in the forest

Lots of cool lore and gameplay hints in the descriptions

[desert wagon]

this is the true half sword

We will wait for

[coral path]

Something similar but not exact

[desert wagon]

the fine baron’s cabinet

[vivid solar]

I wonder if they wouldve painted these sometimes

[vivid solar]

Holy shit guys new graham turner piece

Stunning horses

I need this in HS bro

[fleet junco]

mother smells of elder berries

[lone osprey]

david firth ahh comment

[lone osprey]

1476-77 Pedro Berruguete - Ritratto di Federico da Montefeltro e del figlio Guidobaldo

1476 Giuliano e Benedetto Da Maiano - Lo Studiolo del Duca

[desert wagon]

High quality polished wooden armor

[restive geyser]

I think it's just a forest road

To depict the bandits were ambushing

But the military is stopping them

[restive geyser]

They confirmed something cool

[vivid solar]

There are bandits

[restive geyser]

I said bandits doe

[weak halo]

Did you see this one?

[vivid solar]

I did, it's peak, i just couldnt download it off his website on my phone lol

This is the first time im seeing new art of his

His pieces are absolutely magnificent but as such they take so long 😔

[weak halo]

They take long because of how accurate they are

They're gorgeous to look at too

[vivid solar]

Not only that but also just the level of detail and the realistic rendering

Also he hand paints these on big canvases so

[vivid solar]

Ive spent many an afternoon doing this

[weak halo]

His paintings are a great source of inspiration

[vivid solar]

I have a whole story inspired by two of his paintings

[coral path]

This is so badass

[vivid solar]

These two

[coral path]

That first one is crazy good

[vivid solar]

The armour is so cool isnt it

He's done great "kit breakdown" sheets

[robust tendon]

amazing kit

[restive geyser]

We are so up rn @coral path

[coral path]

Saw this ❤️‍🔥

Give me headbands

[restive geyser]

I could already see how people would use this shit

Be naked and wear the headband

Be a ninja

[robust tendon]

I like the last one a lot

[restive geyser]

Yellow one with the sallet is cool

But i wonder where the headband is going...

Or what it's tied to

[muted bane]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AqgNSwmhSro

[slate mulch]

what was up with crossbowmen having fur lined quivers like that

your bolts arent gonna get sick from the cold 💔

[coral path]

Its drippy af

Wdym

Probably from a fox or somthin

[coral path]

It'll probably just be a ornament for helmets in general

[restive geyser]

Hunting trophies iirc

Sort of common rly amongst a lot of cultures, wearing animal bones or even human bones as a trophy on your person

Pelts would apply too

[coral path]

Yeah but I can't confirm that it was common to wear bones in 1460 in europe

[restive geyser]

Medieval soldiers probably didn't

[fleet junco]

add raccoon hat

[coral path]

Weird but ok 🤣

[restive geyser]

But like, indigenous tribes at the time sure did

[coral path]

Well yeah

[restive geyser]

Funny fact

Theoretically

You could actually do that

If you make the pelt into a circle

You could have a racoon orle

[fleet junco]

racoon orle

@coral path yes?

[restive geyser]

That was likely never done doe

Orles show colors

I don't think they'd have a pelt

Medieval soldiers often that I see, turn their pelts into basically skirts

Putting it at their waist

The pelts being capes thing is like not rly a thing in medieval europe that i know of either

[void stream]

Damn this definitely needs more reaction

it's so beautiful

[coral path]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PmM8KsEzgjw

https://tenor.com/view/lets-go-lets-goo-lest-gooooooooooooooooo-gif-19416648

[coral path]

classic ash

(not by ash)

[prisma raven]

1469-1475 Flanders - Roman de la Violette, BNF Français 24378

https://www.facebook.com/MedievalAdvisor/posts/pfbid026z76ezBUWmwYEW8daQ4AeKqCzz4ukm6itLVBCvXrEEBfJKeizVQapxq9ncwzjNv4l

[coral path]

crazy illustrations in the link lmao

[terse bronze]

something something plançon!!

imagine if this guy wasn't dead.. he wouldve been literally me

[dusty moth]

the design of medieval armor is quite cool

[terse bronze]

Love the pretty longish tonlet with covered cuirass

[dusty moth]

a lot of these rivets are designed to stop swords and stuff iirc

not that theyd get through anyway

[coral path]

Well it was also fashion too

[dusty moth]

also true

[prisma raven]

The Resurrection, Bernat Martorell, second quarter of the 15th C. Barcelona (partially destroyed in 1936).

[terse bronze]

Lol that's literally my photo

kevlar bedroom reveal

[coral path]

LMAO yeah I did some digging in chat

[terse bronze]

it do be like that

i still have this dude

[coral path]

Yooo send new images lol

👀

Also i need more rain guard refs

Someone help me out I wanna create a reference post about it

It keeps water out of scabbard which helps prevent rust

(And its fashionable)

[coral path]

So badass

[terse bronze]

Duke of Bourbon gaming

[slate mulch]

rich enough to have full plate
fights with that times version of a baseball bat with nails in it

[terse bronze]

It's a mythological scene

[robust tendon]

that was a 'villain' being depicted, medieval artists tended to give 'villains' crude and/or scary-looking weapons

[slate mulch]

[lone osprey]

can add these:

1. c.1450 Stefan Lochner - Triptych altar of the city's patron saints, left wing; Saint Gereon [Kölner Dom]
2. 1445-50 Meister von Sierentz - St. George battling the dragon [Kunstmuseum Basel]
   3.-4. Mid-late 15th century sword supposedly belonging to Holy Roman Emperor Frederick III (also updated/heavily restored) [KHM]
   5.-6. 1470 Kal, Paulus Fechtbuch, gewidmet dem Pfalzgrafen Ludwig - BSB Cgm 1507 fol. 27r, 69r
3. 1459 Talhoffer Fechtbuch MS Thott.290.2º fol. 107v "Varieties of specialised dueling longswords / bastard-swords: For the harness…Yet also for any armoured dueling…And versus pavises." (Jeffrey Hull translation)

the princess in that von Sierentz St. George has a cool coral crown

(I know this is originally 14th cent. but it's the only only medieval extant one, survived the relevant period, and in 1480 one (not this one) was given to Kurfürst Ernst von Sachsen by Pope Sixtus IV)
2nd quarter of the 14th century, Golden Rose, Musée de Cluny Musée national du Moyen Âge:

Every year on the fourth Sunday of Lent, the pope would give a golden rose to one of his followers whom he wished to reward specially for religious or political reasons.

Thornless, like those that perfumed Heaven, it was the symbol of the Passion of the Christ and his Resurrection.

This rose, which was given to the Count of Neuchâtel by Pope John XXII in 1330, is the oldest golden rose still held. The Vatican archives allowed its creator, the Sienna goldsmith Minucchio who worked in Avignon, to be identified.

From the treasury of Basel cathedral.

[lone osprey]

is the leather rain guard the chapeau en cuir?

[terse bronze]

Yeah

[lone osprey]

what's l'entree du fourreau de la pluie

[terse bronze]

"chapeau en cuir assuring the stability of the guard and protected the scabbard's entry from the rain"

[restive geyser]

This looks like a very bent bastard sword...

[desert wagon]

The true flamberge

[restive geyser]

I wonder if the bend was actually intentional, still cool

[robust tendon]

it wasnt

[eager nymph]

interesting how they didn't do that for their armor as well

[fleet junco]

i like his plackart, very interesting design i think

[coral path]

Yeah there's a lot of that same shape

I forgot its name I'll be sure to find it again

(I thought there was a name for it..?)

[fleet junco]

cuirass

[rigid zinc]

yeah

or breatspalte

breatsplate*

COÑO

breastplate***

[coral path]

I guess not because i can't find any sources about it and everything is so simplified to just "placard"

Ive heard people refer to it as a "french lily placard" and a "fleur de lis placard"

[terse bronze]

It wasn't

The text attached to it specify that the curve is because of the conditions it was found in

[restive geyser]

Oh cool

[restive geyser]

sick ass Head ornaments, are those armets?

[terse bronze]

yes

[coral path]

Yes

[restive geyser]

dayum

[restive geyser]

What is the artistic reason of soldiers with sallets covering their eyes?

I've seen this a few times

i am just wondering the implication

[terse bronze]

I don't thinks it's very deep

[coral path]

John...? What did you do now..?

[terse bronze]

to me it's just how he drew it, especially if the sallet sits naturally lower on the face

[restive geyser]

Well, sometimes i see them for like background soldiers. where their faces are mostly covered by the sallet and the important person being depicted is on full display

[coral path]

The fearless my ass look at his face 🤣

[restive geyser]

you would be shitting bricks too if you had an axe coming towards your head

[coral path]

For sure

[restive geyser]

but to be fair we have historical examples of some historical figures not giving a shit

[terse bronze]

Nah.

I'd win.

[coral path]

Dude had it coming anyways lmao

John was a nutcase

[restive geyser]

to be fair

a lot of people were

especially back in medieval times

[restive geyser]

you going to catch it with yer teeth? 😭

[terse bronze]

i'll gnaw on the wood handle

https://tenor.com/view/beaver-carrot-eating-gif-21665554

[restive geyser]

"That shit pine?"

[terse bronze]

also posted this image becaus I like the cuirasses and the shortened pollaxe

[restive geyser]

the short pollaxes are cool ngl

i wish they were more common in half sword doe

only being knight tier is a bit dumb

[coral path]

The cuirass btw

Randoslaus is goat.

[fleet junco]

kinda has that peapod or whatever the name is shape to it

[slate mulch]

soldier tf2

[terse bronze]

tf2 released in 2007

this miniature was made in the 1460s

there is literally no way the artist took inspiration on a tf2 character

[slate mulch]

[terse bronze]

https://tenor.com/view/dbz-discord-gif-24306382

[terse bronze]

The evil vampire knight and his trustworthy pollaxe

[slate mulch]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-osu-greece-greek-cat-osu-cat-greek-gif-2694212203346871017

[terse bronze]

o lawd...

[coral path]

gonna say it again, she has an amazing kit... lmao

[vivid solar]

??

[coral path]

https://www.instagram.com/scholaequestris/p/DMDGcW_sztX/?img_index=1

@vivid solar

[lost creek]

letsgoo

[coral path]

Brother this is a historical reference channel from 1450-1470 dedicated to western European arms and armour

[lost creek]

whats wrong with my references

[coral path]

Well... they aren't historical.

They are fantasy based

Like dungeons and dragons

[lost creek]

😔

[coral path]

Usually I find my references from historical manuscripts, effigies, brasses, statues, and paintings that depict armor from the time period. 🙂

Sometimes even reenactment groups and armouries that create armor based off of these historical art pieces

[restive geyser]

Well like

If you remove all the bullshit

Maybe it's 1% historical

[coral path]

🤔

[restive geyser]

I do find it funny, that fantasy media will choose to get helmets and spaulders the most stupidest of appearances.

But when fantasy armor creators make breastplates, they just make it the most normal shit plausible

[coral path]

Well most of the time it doesn't even look functional at all to begin with.

[restive geyser]

That's like a big gripe i have

Rule of cool is strong doe

But a lot of the time

Fantasy armor looks fucking stupid

[coral path]

There can be beautiful armor and still be functional

[restive geyser]

There a fantasy mobile game with armor like this, it's still mostly bullshit but it's actually practical lmfao

And i think it's pretty cool

[coral path]

Are we sure thats not ai?🧓

[restive geyser]

I found it off a artist

[coral path]

I don't necessarily mind fantasy imo, I still play dnd and its badass but when it comes to historical accuracy, its one of my biggest passions im ngl

[restive geyser]

All of my ocs in dnd are like fantasy bullshit

So i can't relate to that all to well

Not to say i don't have a basic knight oc doe, i have a few of those for male characters

[coral path]

Same. Anyways...

(Ik it looks 16th century *imo, but it isnt)

[restive geyser]

Kind of

Not rly, i honestly didn't think much about it till you mentioned it

[coral path]

Idk why I have no proof that it looks like 16th century 🤣

[restive geyser]

I've seen stuff like this a lot in some manuscripts. The small waist part of the Cuirass is like very cartoonish but funny enough is seen in manuscripts

Which is neat

[restive geyser]

Maybe the design?

Oh wait that's a breastplate

Right?

[coral path]

I hope i see it in hs

Its 1470 I believe

Camacurt would probably know

[restive geyser]

If you look in manuscripts you can see them a ton

I actually think you do see it in game

The victory screen

Which is saint george

[coral path]

im talking about the back of it

This is the front

[fleet junco]

oh my god the waist

[robust tendon]

its peak

[fleet junco]

is that like a childs cuirass

[robust tendon]

no

[fleet junco]

holy smokes

[vivid solar]

Idk why but this comment is hilarious

What's all'antica? Just like really fancy gear?

[coral path]

Manner of the ancients. Its armor that shows more "antiquity" interpretations like from biblical scenes and such

[vivid solar]

The turning 35 thing is a myth

[vivid solar]

Huh

Example?

[robust tendon]

stuff like this

[vocal vale]

basically deliberate impracticality to give the sense that the person was from an older time

some armor was made in that style in real life to convey the same thing during events

[coral path]

https://discord.com/channels/1043854763189600337/1452049936890724373

Look through here

[vocal vale]

might not show up

[coral path]

Im pretty sure everyone can view it..?

Maybe not

[restive geyser]

i feel like this will likely not be added, but fuck it would be dope

[coral path]

Idk its not up to me lmao

[restive geyser]

N o S h i t

[coral path]

I just hope Ivan gets a kick outta it in the future

[restive geyser]

or he smites everyone to another realm

it rly is up to him

[coral path]

Ivan knows his stuff

[restive geyser]

i'd hope so ngl

he also owns armor iirc

a good set too

[coral path]

Yes

[restive geyser]

speaking of ivan, he spoke in HS chat. Once in a life time scene

[coral path]

Yooooo crazy find

[restive geyser]

he did it to call out someone bullshit LMFAO

but yeah

I need to find more manuscripts

dry over here

[robust tendon]

i do think they'll add it at some point

[restive geyser]

i have the Oxford library too i could look through

but dates aren't entirely reliable

[coral path]

There's a ton of sources

[restive geyser]

Ik there is

but finding those sites that have them

is the hard part

[robust tendon]

i find its even harder to come across like inventories or primary sources to read

manuscripts are not as hard to come by

[robust tendon]

illustrations of costumes and soldiers is a good site to look at

[coral path]

Warfare.ueuo

[robust tendon]

not necessarily for manuscripts but just any art that depicts soldiers

[coral path]

Yeah like paintings n miniatures

[restive geyser]

for reading

i do recommend you look through college libraries

most of the stuff is over there

[bright token]

marvelous modern reproduction by plattnerei-wiedner

this is 15th century arm harness right🗿

[restive geyser]

roblox?!

medieval roblox stuff is lame! (I have 3 medieval avatars)

[coral path]

This is mine btw

[restive geyser]

this is like the only one i use 💀 references becomes Roblox historical accuracy channel

[fleet junco]

the face

[restive geyser]

its manly

[restive geyser]

ah yes, i love this manuscript

shows the perfection of medieval tech

[fleet junco]

thats how they took care of their ornaments

[coral path]

Give me headbands

[slate mulch]

half cape mentioned

[restive geyser]

He has spurs and a handband

Badass

[prisma raven]

Yeah, that cuirass is from the 1470's #1447306092957663424 message

[fast pagoda]

Not

It’s the last emperor of the Romans against the son of perdition

[restive geyser]

I thought it was a recoloration of an painting of Saint george?

Oh well, ig i was wrong. Cheers for the correction

[coral path]

Thanks

[fast pagoda]

It’s from a version of the apocalypse by pseudo-methodius which depicts the end of the world and the coming of the Antichrist

In this version instead of the last emperor simply going to Golgotha and giving up his throne, he also fights the antichrist

[lethal adder]

i need the fit 🙏

[slate mulch]

out of time period but yknow, its still eye candy

[fleet junco]

that is a large orle

[restive geyser]

I've seen bigger

like ur mom for example

[fleet junco]

beating you

with rock

[robust tendon]

looks very poorly fitted

[vivid solar]

Looks like KCD

[haughty creek]

That cuirass looks like it’s based on Churburg #10, but with way less shaping and for some reason, added tassets

[slate mulch]

dunno not my kit

[slate mulch]

yes 14th century is automatically henry skalitz game

[haughty creek]

Can I post Churburg 10 to compare it to the kit?

[vivid solar]

please do

[vivid solar]

the lighting and the gear look the part

i genuinely thought that was a KCD2 screenshot for a minute

[wary aurora]

willy has a will to fulfill

[slate mulch]

i love willies

[slate mulch]

yea im ngl after looking at it it does look like one

[void stream]

Chantilly MS. 652A
ca. 1460

[slate mulch]

stabbed in the dih 💔

is the last one supposed to be david vs goliath btw ?

[haughty creek]

Out of period for the game, but I’m certain that’s what the cuirass you posted is based off of

[lone osprey]

thats cool to know I just assumed it as an archangel michael slaying the dragon https://www.e-gs.ethz.ch/eMP/eMuseumPlus?service=ExternalInterface&module=collection&objectId=716609&viewType=detailView

[terse bronze]

That's not 14thc (neither is kcd)

[fleet junco]

kcd is early 15th c

[terse bronze]

Yes and so is the kit he posted

[slate mulch]

(im stupid)

[terse bronze]

We.. we might be able to have something similar...

Even if it's technically 5 years off...

One can dreamz

[haughty creek]

I was posting that in response to a harness that brought me sorrow

[terse bronze]

Ye ik

[haughty creek]

It’s cuirass looked like Churburg 10, but with inferior shaping

[terse bronze]

Isn't it s18

[haughty creek]

Yep, you’re right, it very much is

I was saying the wrong number, I am tired and foolish

[terse bronze]

you lost your balls privilege

[haughty creek]

Fair enough

[coral path]

https://www.youtube.com/shorts/6NhyPC93wQg

not to mention, look at liz scott's drip in this

I wanna look like her in hs

[fiery sinew]

give me the boots

[coral path]

its rolled down riders hosen

[terse bronze]

can't get any more immaculate than this

[coral path]

(mb)

[fast pagoda]

Florence fighting against a pagan Saracen giant

[fleet junco]

very pretty helmet

i hope they dont gild it, it looks good like that

[desert wagon]

Red carpet sallet

Created by sir willie the third

[restive geyser]

I fucking love doublets with the puffy shoulders

<@&1080390104562016306>

Hey! This guy is weird!

[restive geyser]

The forehead sallet plate genuinely looks cooler than the visor in some scenarios, like this one

[robust tendon]

puffy shoulders are called maheutres btw

[restive geyser]

Thank ya ❤️

[terse bronze]

(it has a visor too)

[restive geyser]

Does it?

[terse bronze]

yes

unfinished visor here

finished visor here

[restive geyser]

ahhh, cheers for clarifying. Though i think the brim looked nicer than the visor

[chrome rover]

ooooh, i noticed he has some images of a Greenwich Garniture behind his workbench, is he working on something? :O

[narrow harness]

hello everyone

can someone help me with something

I also have an unusual question.

Are there any Dutch people on the server?

[terse bronze]

waddup

[narrow harness]

I'm drawing something and I need an example of 15th century Dutch knights.

[terse bronze]

period of the game ? (1450-70s)

[narrow harness]

and even better, it would be nice to see the famous Dutch knights of that time

[narrow harness]

1420-1450

[terse bronze]

Flanders/Low Country

[narrow harness]

I know that the Dutch lands were under the control of the Spanish crown.

[terse bronze]

Saint George and the Dragon, c. 1432/1435

Rogier van der Weyden , Netherlandish

[terse bronze]

not at that time

I don't think?

[lone osprey]

definitely not lol

[narrow harness]

So, the Holy Roman Empire?

[terse bronze]

since flanders, belgium ect was moreso under burgundian rule

[lone osprey]

mostly under french sphere of influence

[terse bronze]

burgundians also beign within that sphere

[lone osprey]

technically borders are divided between HRE and France and there were magnates from HRE e.g. Bavarians in the low countries in the early-mid 15th century

[lone osprey]

burgundians are french to me lol

[terse bronze]

They are

but traitors

#KAB

[narrow harness]

more pls

[lone osprey]

https://zettelfencer.wordpress.com/2024/12/07/an-attempt-at-establishing-a-kastenbrust-typology/

[terse bronze]

Flanders & French but like we said it's still pretty similar in terms of influence

St. George's features are most probably those of Philip the Fair, duke of Burgundy, prince of the Low Countries (1478-1506), dressed in a contemporary typical Netherlandish armour of the very late 15th century

Danzig, circa 1480, church of the st Mary but to me it looks very flemish

[narrow harness]

I'm just drawing this knight from the lands of modern Flanders and North Brabant. The idea is that he's a mercenary willing to serve various dukes and princes for money.

He himself is of noble blood, but all he inherited was training, a sword, and armor.

[narrow harness]

thanks

[narrow harness]

and I also have another strange question

[terse bronze]

yur

[narrow harness]

but now it's not about the Middle Ages, but about the era of seafarers (17th-19th centuries)

and it is connected with Japan

Is there a possibility that the Japanese have inherited some of the European sailors' DNA from that time?

from the same Dutch and Portuguese

[terse bronze]

I don't really know much at all about this period and area and topic) but I honestly don't know why they wouldnt

[robust tendon]

probably

[terse bronze]

I feel like dutch and portuguese (or just generally europeans) sailors potentially would have offsprings, legitimate or not, with locals

[robust tendon]

yea

[narrow harness]

Most likely, in the Japanese themselves, this percentage of DNA is very insignificant, as, for example, in the European descendants of Genghis Khan

[latent drift]

<@&1080390104562016306>

[robust tendon]

love these fringed hoods

[narrow harness]

now i think is better

[coral path]

Actually real

[desert wagon]

Pauldronmaxxing

[narrow harness]

color version

[fleet junco]

derrin

[terse bronze]

2001 is way past the game's timeframe

[lethal adder]

yea what was this guy thinking!!!!

[slate mulch]

[lethal adder]

[fleet junco]

KAI CENAT?!!

@vocal vale KAI CENAT!!!!

[wet belfry]

https://tenor.com/view/conductor-we-have-a-problem-cat-cute-funny-gif-17168115721186324165

[fleet junco]

england

[harsh hare]

Brodi this ain't historical

Hath thou already forgotten?

[lost creek]

oh srry

[vivid solar]

Mf wants this in halfsword

[chrome rover]

omg Scholagladiatoria

[lost creek]

Bro, you said that you take your references from manuscripts, paintings, etc., but where in 1450 was there a camera that captured this?

[restive geyser]

i took the pic

[restive geyser]

kev, i found it. the king of chaperon

[terse bronze]

what

[restive geyser]

tis man

[terse bronze]

Ah yes

[restive geyser]

i think he likes the chaperon

[restive geyser]

scale helmet ❤️

@terse bronze For the record, what is this helmet/bevor(?) the knight with the red orle has in the front?

this is religious, but like

tf is that

[robust tendon]

close helmet maybe

[restive geyser]

it looks like a weird nose protector used for like a sallet

but ive never seen this

till now

the man on the left seemingly has something similar

[robust tendon]

yeah it’s just a nasal

Im not really sure whether it’d be a close helmet but seems to be constructed like one

[restive geyser]

still cool, super weird doe

[robust tendon]

As far as i’m aware the definition is basically there is a single pivot for the lower part and the visor, the helmet splits in two basically

[restive geyser]

is there an early example of this?

because that manuscript is dated 1410-1425 iirc

[robust tendon]

sure there are plenty of early close helm examples and i believe this is one of them but idrk

i would send a few later ones but im on my phone

[restive geyser]

ight

send them when ya can

[slate mulch]

when the game releases a new free skin

[coral path]

this is going to be peak.

[steep yoke]

idk why I thought his mustache was a watermark but I sure did

Cool fit tho

[coral path]

I forgot to mention that I do follow reenactors and armouries that study manuscripts, paintings, ect., that do accurate portrayals of it.

but yeah cameras didnt exist in 1450 🤣

[vocal vale]

i thought it was about alexander the great

[restive geyser]

I would confirm this, but the source that was linked alongside the manuscript lead to nowhere. But since your the expert here, ima assume it is

[terse bronze]

Le Livre et le vraye hystoire du bon roy Alixandre, Paris c. 1420-1425 (BL, Royal 20 B XX, fol. 57r)

[restive geyser]

is that the source?

if so

thank u

[terse bronze]

yup

[vivid solar]

@rocky sand

[thorny arrow]

what is this?

<@&1080390104562016306>

[rocky sand]

Thank you. Pls ping full modteam next time

[vivid solar]

oh alr

[wind widget]

holy shit

it's him

he's real

[coral path]

Dell'arte Della Guerra

[restive geyser]

#1287593500208005200

[rancid dragon]

I didn't know there was a thread for that time period

I'll move it there then

[quaint shore]

holy couter

[vivid solar]

My ass is NOT clicking lmao

[restive geyser]

Is that from a roblox Tokyo ghoul game

@steep yoke idk if this is a scam or a dumbass

I don't wanna ping the whole modteam if this is just a dumbass

[still goblet]

Srry

[steep yoke]

Scammers and dumbass usually go hand in hand

[restive geyser]

I mean he responded

So i think he just dumb

[steep yoke]

Don't post whatever that was again

[still goblet]

How am I scamming, I’m just bored srry

I won’t

It was a cat

[desert wagon]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1117704405899280454/1245124233244315739/togif.gif

[terse bronze]

Awesome reference very 1450-1470

[desert wagon]