references♥_1450-1470

[restive geyser]

yea

with a...rondel... i think..

[quaint shore]

Welcome back aventails

[restive geyser]

MAN Medieval soldiers were deadass like

"Put a rondel on this bad boy and it will go miles."

[coral path]

this reminds me of the back alley of frankenberg

[coral path]

what?

I dont understand

flat top greathelm designs?

[vocal vale]

how does that at all corellate

you hate ornaments because there are ornaments on greathelms

[coral path]

https://tenor.com/view/dimebag-darrell-pantera-gif-6621055531861045906

ig its just preference

gotcha

Im a big fan of my tourney crests I cant lie

[restive geyser]

What the fuck is this shit

He looks like a frying pan

[quaint shore]

Rondel man

[steep yoke]

Full plate upper armor with an unarmored bottom is so esthetically pleasing to me

[coral path]

half armor is so sick

[steep yoke]

A video I sent like two days ago mentioned that they would often choose to ditch leg protection in favor of more movement and less weight which is cool

[steep yoke]

Fr

[robust tendon]

is this an armet or close helm

cant tell

[coral path]

Bicoque

[robust tendon]

'bicoques' are just early close helms tho

iirc

so ig its a close helm

[fast pagoda]

Armet

[haughty creek]

That’s an Armet, not a close helm

Look at the hinges

[robust tendon]

thats what i thought too

[coral path]

bicoque

[haughty creek]

If my memory serves me correctly, according to the people who know far more than me, the actual source for the name Bicoque is so woefully poorly descriptive that we really don’t know what a bicoque is.

[coral path]

Its a helmet

[haughty creek]

Beyond the basic fact it’s a helmet I mean

[coral path]

🤣

[fast pagoda]

Something like pointed at the top and comes together at the ears or something I think it was

For the source I know at least

[haughty creek]

Yeah, that one was the one I was taking about

Besides all that tomfoolery though, that’s a beautiful helmet

[coral path]

This is what matters. That and it fits the time period

[haughty creek]

Indeed

[thorny otter]

More antica

Guy changed into three different suits during one event

[terse bronze]

Nicolas P. Baptiste my beloved

his wife's antica fit is also pretty dope

i think i posted a full pic of it in here a bit ago

[steep yoke]

Fit goes hard

Cool shield too

[prisma raven]

la cabra

[coral path]

Nice bollock sidearm

[prisma raven]

De Sphaera- Cristoforo De Predis 1470

[terse bronze]

that sallet...

[prisma raven]

duro

[prisma raven]

also baldric belt

[lone osprey]

Oh thats awesome. Cool breakdown. Love the choices

[prisma raven]

I'm curious, guys, what are your top three favorite armor styles?

[terse bronze]

French
Flemish/Spanish
Early Gothic (Late Kastenbrust)

If we stick to the game's timeframe

[thorny otter]

Well

Innsbruck
North Italy
Gothic (as in , sieben weisen meister)

[vocal vale]

1. late 15th domestic italian
2. ~1440s germanic (kastenbrust and close helm, etc)
3. crayfish

[terse bronze]

Crayfish is so awesome

[robust tendon]

Alla tedesca
English
Iberian

[prisma raven]

Innsbruck style is awesome

[coral path]

South German, Western Iberian, and all'antica specifically from 1445-1490

[prisma raven]

cool

nice to see ya'll like iberian style so much

[coral path]

Name yours

Im curious

[coral path]

Well its goated

And drippy af

[lethal adder]

1. 15th century English armor
2. really anything from the latter half of the 14th century, especially if it involves jupons and klappvisors
3. rather fond of the mongol/ turkic inspired armors of the Rus

[terse bronze]

Brigandine .. Crayfish.. all united in the Front Opening Gang

[fleet junco]

flemish
english
italian

[coral path]

Really hope Iberian armor will be a role in hs

🙏

[prisma raven]

My top would be:

1 - 1470-90 Iberian (Castilian-Portuguese)
2 - 1430-50 Aragonese/Catalan Italianate
3 - Late 15th century Flemish

French (1450-70) and Italian (1430-1450) are two other styles I love

[terse bronze]

I need a capacete & bevor

[coral path]

This

[terse bronze]

The same as in the teseida ms

[coral path]

https://tenor.com/view/lets-go-lets-goo-lest-gooooooooooooooooo-gif-19416648

[terse bronze]

The copy..

[coral path]

French

So weird

[terse bronze]

Does this dude have croissants / goussets or am I trippin

[prisma raven]

Holy shit yeah, I'd never noticed.

[terse bronze]

I think the horsemen in the same Ms has some too

[prisma raven]

btw, what would your top be for the 14th century?

[terse bronze]

1320-50 with like standing collars, coat of plates, cuir bouilli, early plates stuff like that

[prisma raven]

Literalmente Tu

[prisma raven]

Basado

[terse bronze]

Claro

[robust tendon]

not any particular region but i enjoy the armors seen like 1330-1370 ish

[coral path]

Love this for no reason

[terse bronze]

I love the back straps

[terse bronze]

https://sketchfab.com/3d-models/saint-georges-87b267e2b0c74fc2806ef750be6b564e

Tehe

[coral path]

And this

(14th century)

[coral path]

This is really good

[terse bronze]

Something 14thc I also love is.. the double aventails.. #ThoseWhoKnow

[coral path]

https://tenor.com/view/jonkler-jonkler-cart-the-jonkler-cart-the-cart-gif-16150588204208813818

Those who nose

[prisma raven]

Yo...!

[coral path]

Is this you?!

[prisma raven]

Yeah my art

[prisma raven]

Solo los reales conocen esto

[robust tendon]

i like this guy in particular

1345

[coral path]

This late 14th century adarga

And this camacurt drawing

[lethal adder]

so dang true..

14th century always feels the most vibrant period for arms and armor idk how to explain it

its very nice.

[prisma raven]

Its from the paintings in the Hall of the Kings of the Alhambra Palace in Granada, made at the end of the 14th century

[prisma raven]

It should be "calces ferrades" (panzerhosen) forgot to change that

[coral path]

Im pretty sure this is the arms for the crayfish cuirass

From George jolliot

[robust tendon]

spiked couters are awesome

[lethal adder]

imagine giving someone the peoples elbow in that

[robust tendon]

especially those ones with the small curve in them

[prisma raven]

I specially love the look of these perpunts from the first half of the 14th C

[lethal adder]

another good one from da goat Graham Turner

[coral path]

Hell yes

[quaint shore]

is it the mail collar and bascinet aventail

[quaint shore]

english
gothic
al antica

If al antica is even a style

[coral path]

Yes it is

[ancient pivot]

What is the leg armour here? I've seen it quite a bit recently

[fleet junco]

panzerhosen

armored panys

[restive geyser]

I wonder if they could be used like defensively, imagine hooking someone weapon with your fucking elbow

[robust tendon]

probably not

[stiff mountain]

It seems that they used to have nice calves

[coral path]

I wanna say that there are door knockers on the shoulders here

[restive geyser]

The temptation i would've had if i saw this guy

I would've ran up and began knocking violently on his pauldrons

Also, vouge!!!!

And morning star i think

Is that a fucking mohawk on his sallet???

[void stream]

Alla tedesca
Milanese
Al antica
My top 3 ✌️

[verbal bramble]

Do you happen to have a photo of the inside of the arm harness? It would be very appreciated

[coral path]

I do not atm

Will look tho cuz why not

[coral path]

https://tenor.com/view/lets-go-lets-goo-lest-gooooooooooooooooo-gif-19416648

Those gauntlets look so sick

This mirror polish 🔥

[terse bronze]

moar

[terse bronze]

let that sink in

[coral path]

[steep yoke]

Ifunny 🤢

[fleet junco]

because rust tastes better than shine

[quaint shore]

ts dude when he realizes what polishing is

[coral path]

This shit dude?

[terse bronze]

Table spoon, duh

[quaint shore]

yeah

This Shit dude

[coral path]

Rerebrace on right alone

[quaint shore]

full leg harness with nothing above will never not be swag

Except for a helmet

[restive geyser]

Cuirass only is my favorite type of drip

Those were cool tassets!

GIVE ME IT BACK! MORDSCHLAAAAG!

[coral path]

What happened?

[restive geyser]

you sent a pic and it got deleted

and i liked the tassets

[coral path]

The image i posted i found out was reposted lol

Here:

Dude looks like a superhero on the right

[coral path]

Both by Baskerville Shields

[weak halo]

This man can't afford servants

[vocal vale]

high tier rage bait

[coral path]

https://www.youtube.com/shorts/JEUqW7yWKPs

This might be late for the game

but its by maks izobov

[lone osprey]

I am under the impression the Churburg CHS20 armet in the game had a mail neck guard attached in a similar fashion to what I assume is going on in the third photo: fabric is attached and fastened in place by a wire or thread running through those ?messing loopholes, and then the mail neck guard is attached to that fabric. so that would mean that the mail neck guard is not hung directly from the armet like in the fourth picture. this seems to be confirmed by the lack of holes running along the edge of the lower rim like in the fifth picture. does this all seem right?

[verbal bramble]

That seems to be the case, considering that, otherwise, there would be no reason for the piece of fabric and the string going through the vervelles, or the vervelles themselves, like we see in the ingame armet. As to why the edge roll on the lower part of the armet is visible, despite such being impossible with that construction for the maille attachment, I chalk it up to either developer error, or an issue with the way maille is textured in the game. (Sorry for the resend, I forgot to ping you)

[restive geyser]

Bro this image is kickass

Gold (bronze?) tassets on the left is uh not it

[lone osprey]

true those do seem like the most plausible reasons for the apparent error. also just to be clear I wasnt asking about construction to criticize HS or devs! lol im sure other people have pointed it out. I was mainly asking to research armet mail neck guards. the type on the Churburg one seems to have stopped being used by the turn of the 16th century

[restive geyser]

Quick question, so in tournaments knights would tend to wear either their coat of arms heraldry, banners, and more and when it comes to plumes. Did those tend to be the same color as the coat of arms or no?

Because in a lot of jousting or tournament manuscripts

They would have colors of x thing but there plume would be a entirely different color

[restive geyser]

The mail in this game is super wip

The skirt doesn't even do anything, and the neck guard is super buggy

[lone osprey]

I can only speak for german tournament book illustrations from around the 16th century. but those very often depict plain plumes. in some german inventories usually later in the 16th century there are plumes described as decorated. it varies though. crests are not necessarily heraldic in jousts. when they are, feathers appear altered to match the crest they represent if the crest has special feathers e.g. striped

[restive geyser]

This is helpful, thank you! I was just confused because of how strange the plume stood out for me in some cases

[verbal bramble]

That makes sense

[restive geyser]

In the ea we see potentially mail chest pieces and more improved mail

So it seems they are fixing it there

[verbal bramble]

Hmm... I see. It does make sense, considering it seems a lot more efficient to do so

[lone osprey]

How big are your reenactment and repro collections

[lone osprey]

Damn that has me excited for the flail

[coral path]

I wanna be the guy on the right with schecke and crossbow

[restive geyser]

Me likey the hosen

[vocal vale]

they’re usually relevant to the coat of arms but sometimes they’re not

[restive geyser]

Whole ass unicorn

Almost looks like mine

[thorny otter]

I can hear this picture

[fleet junco]

whales

[abstract orbit]

👋

[waxen epoch]

is there any way we would see any klappvisors or similar variants in game?

[next orchid]

I think the aventails were secured in different ways especially as time goes on

[haughty creek]

No. Way out of period

[slate mulch]

can we kill that guy with a rock

[verbal bramble]

Nope, way out of period: By the point Half Sword takes place (1450-1470, give or take 10 years), visors with one hinge to the helmet have been rendered obsolete, instead fully replaced by visors that pivot onto the helmet with two rivets, as seen on the sallet and the armet.

[waxen epoch]

dang i would really of hoped for some sort of hounskull (my fav helm) but it would make sense why they would be fazed out

[coral path]

This will fit the game!

[waxen epoch]

not nice

[quaint shore]

KILL MURDER KILL

STONE HIM

[verbal bramble]

There's some very weird and obscure bicoque, armet, thing (i am not exactly which type of helmet exactly), somewhere that still have houndskull-like visor, which are in the 15th Century, but no clue if they are also out of period

[coral path]

(Not a reference, but an announcement from knights path)

[verbal bramble]

I understand you are goofing around, but the guy was asking with politeness, and didn't immediately jump to call anyone names when told it didn't fit, so I think we should cut him some slack

[vivid solar]

What's knight's path? That armour looks really good

[weak halo]

Knight's path looks good but I didn't like the gameplay at all

[quaint shore]

Sheesh okay

[coral path]

Nah its gonna have a massive update

[waxen epoch]

sorry im on not an expert on the topic im still learning 🙁

[coral path]

It was terrible

[quaint shore]

its ok my liege

[weak halo]

I doubt they'll remove the weird souls combat

[verbal bramble]

I didn't mean it to chastise you, I apologize if it came off that way

[quaint shore]

its chill

[verbal bramble]

Right, right

[weak halo]

If they do make it truly better it would be awesome since they have really nice armor models

[night kindle]

COUSTALIER MY BELOVED

[scarlet timber]

Delicious cuirass.

[bright token]

Beautiful armours

[vocal vale]

liz scott spotted

[terse bronze]

Coustillier

[night kindle]

mb mb u right

[terse bronze]

Alternatively, light cavalryman

[thorny otter]

Martim's adarga is a beauty, great to see it part of reenactment as well

[cold atlas]

i need to see a gold armor set irl and i'll be happy

[lethal adder]

was trying to keep from falling asleep at work and since we cant have phones inside our facility i was doodling a footman armed with a pollaxe. one of my co workers from another department came up and looked at it, told me it wasnt a pollaxe bc it "didnt have a hammer" (it had a crow's/falcon's beak bc i think they look cool) and when i told him it was, infact, still a pollaxe he looked at me like i was an idiot. hate. hate. hate.

i must endure. i must remain jolly.

[cold atlas]

yay

[terse bronze]

Ask him about pickaxes

[coral path]

this Germanic jack

[coral path]

this is me btw

[verbal bramble]

Game? This looks REALLY good!

[coral path]

Dude is in for a treat... LMAO... hold on

[verbal bramble]

Should I be concerned?

[coral path]

No, excited

This will be best mod for mount and blade

[verbal bramble]

YOOOO-

[coral path]

Not released yet

[verbal bramble]

Aww- But, that is still AMAZING

[coral path]

Im hyped for release, thier discord showcases dev previews too 😍

[green vault]

Bro i love u

[terse bronze]

So me

[coral path]

I found camacurt

[terse bronze]

You're so silly

[vivid solar]

I need to play mount and blade again huh

Is this for Warband or Bannerlord?

[coral path]

Bannerlord

[vivid solar]

Rip I only have warband

I got addicted to it for a few days but then I just sorta stopped and havent touched it for like months

[remote fulcrum]

bannerlord is like warband, but with a late antiquity/early medieval vibe

[vivid solar]

Ive heard of both things it does better and worse than warband

[weak halo]

Deeds of Arms and Chivalry for Warband is also looking hella good

[vocal vale]

when this releases i will die at my keyboard

[coral path]

ive been researching for some furniture for an hour or so 😅

for the time period

[vocal vale]

nice

[coral path]

This English sculpture of a knight Ca.1470. Originally from the Samuel Wolseley Collection

[bright token]

It’s so peak 🙏😭

[bright token]

i like the :0 face

[cerulean anchor]

Bannerlord

one of the best games ever dude

you're missing out if you haven't played it

[restive geyser]

don't know how accurate the armor is, but hey decent vid

[coral path]

That armor makes me want to puke all over my shit

(This is Gothic armor)

[restive geyser]

that bad?

[coral path]

Yes.

That bad

[restive geyser]

delete it?

[coral path]

(Its better than Hollywood 😢)

[restive geyser]

i just sent it show how armor stabbing works

[coral path]

Specifically the helmet is not good at all

[restive geyser]

remove it?

[coral path]

If you want. I don't really mind

I guess im just a chill guy

[restive geyser]

(lies)

[fleet junco]

when will hollywood do a historically accurate medieval battle

or have accurate plate armor

[verbal bramble]

Probably the day they depict a dromaeosaur with the feathers they ought to have (AKA: Never)

[prisma raven]

Plate voiders!

Anento - Church of San Blas. (Aragon, Spain)
(Detail) altarpiece dedicated to: St Blaise, the Virgin of Mercy and St Thomas Becket. Blasco de Grañén (around 1431 - 1456)

[restive geyser]

they won't because they'll make money off of making shitty dramas and rewriting history

[lethal adder]

[vivid solar]

What server is this forwarded from?

[vivid solar]

Nvm

[coral path]

I've got a bunch of historical servers... 😅

[vivid solar]

Anywhere I can follow this?

[weak halo]

ModDB

[vivid solar]

Is that it? No socials or anything?

[weak halo]

From what I know yeah

[vivid solar]

Rip

Why does it say I can download it

Ive never used ModDB before

[lone osprey]

Nooice
Would love to see how the fringe/aventail is attaches

[restive geyser]

religious art?

[terse bronze]

Saint George

[restive geyser]

cool ass armor tho

[robust tendon]

neat sabatons

[coral path]

Yooo could we get some furniture refs/architecture refs...?!?! 👀

[night kindle]

If I may ask, what are their names specifically? I’ve been wanting to join some historical servers as well but never knew where to start

[coral path]

Arms-n-armor

[night kindle]

Thx king

[restive geyser]

Yeah just look at pictures of like

Any UK small village

Boom

[coral path]

me

[restive geyser]

Shit hasn't changed in like forever.

Lavenham, Britain.

Built in the 15th century and saw building further.

Most of these homes remain the same since the 15th century, and only thing that changed was really just support and foundation and interiors

[coral path]

do you have a source?

[restive geyser]

The village itself

Lavenham is old as fuck

[coral path]

like a link that confirms it

[restive geyser]

https://www.historic-uk.com/HistoryMagazine/DestinationsUK/Lavenham/

It's one of the most well preserved medieval towns in the world

It's pretty fucking cool

[terse bronze]

this will be halfsword in 2013

[restive geyser]

Brother, I'd die to die hema sparring matches here

[terse bronze]

you just have to take a trip to france

colmar to be precise

[restive geyser]

Another small village?

[terse bronze]

it's pretty large but a village nonetheless

or a small city ig

[restive geyser]

I find lavenham more cool doe

A lot of medieval towns keep the buildings

[terse bronze]

lavenham is pretty awesome

[restive geyser]

But change doors and other stuff

Lavenham is basically the same

Since it's creation

[restive geyser]

Larger historical medieval towns are cool doe

[terse bronze]

Brasserie in Strasbourg, created in 1427

us europeans really don't realise sometimes ngl

imagine eating in a restaurant that was built in 1427

jeanne d'arc wasn't dead yet when ts was built

[restive geyser]

Ngl a lot of Germany, France and Uk still use so much buildings built in the 15th century or older

[coral path]

if they weren't destroyed

[terse bronze]

A lot of it was renovated and newer stuff got built on top too

like the louvre for instance

[restive geyser]

Even then they just rebuild the same building that was there before

[terse bronze]

appears in 14th century manuscripts

[restive geyser]

It's basically a reproduction

[terse bronze]

the revolution was a disaster

[restive geyser]

Simply put: A major reason why europe doesn't just take down old buildings and replace them with newer ones, is rly just it's expensive to do that for like half of your country homing and also because of preservation

[terse bronze]

the sheer amount of artifacts, art and effigies that got destroyed is actually sickening

[restive geyser]

I think it's Britain or ireland

But they have laws

That make it where destruction of medieval buildings is heavily illegal

[terse bronze]

I'm talking about the french revolution

[restive geyser]

Yeah, ik. You just reminded me of it

[terse bronze]

but pretty sure we also have laws like that nowadays

[restive geyser]

But regardless

We have lost so much history

Book burnings and such

It's sad rly

The library of Alexandria is still the greatest lost of human history probably ever

[terse bronze]

me

[coral path]

Ca.1475 French

[weak halo]

There's only an old version available

It's fun but it's not as impressive as what's being worked on

[vivid solar]

How do I know what's being worked on? The page is very confusing, all I see are comments and random pics

[weak halo]

The first images are the newest

[lone osprey]

thats a cool shape to see in context and the cusped gorget looks cool

[desert wagon]

Wonderful sitten visor

Same goes for that waffenrock and greaves

[desert wagon]

Vhat is this game mord

[desert wagon]

Hmmmmm a lentner is an early form of brigandine

[verbal bramble]

Unfortunately, too early for the game's time period (1450-1470, give or take 10 years)

But! This IS quite a pretty drawing! Who is the artist?

[desert wagon]

I gotta share the wonderful art piece

Idk who the artist

Just found the pic on Pinteresting

[robust tendon]

bannerlord

mord will never be that cool

[desert wagon]

Im talking about mordschlag!

Not that bad game

[robust tendon]

oh lol

[lethal adder]

https://tenor.com/view/i-need-it-spongebob-spongebob-squarepants-gif-4883506

[lethal adder]

teardrop visor my beloved

klappvisors 🔛 🔝

[terse bronze]

Best klappvisiers are the hounskull ones idc

[restive geyser]

Regensburg, located in Germany, Bavaria.

Maybe a cool map? its actually super similar to Frankfurt. Built by the romans originally (Some of the buildings in the town, actually use Roman bricks.) I can't rly find a manuscript of this town in 15th century, i only got 16th and further

but yeah, well preserved medieval town in Germany

it as preserved as it gets rly in non-hesse germany towns

so if anyone can spot this town in manuscripts, would be nice

[restive geyser]

Origin?

Looks like it came from france or germany

[coral path]

Salzburg, Germany.

[restive geyser]

badass

[coral path]

3rd quarter of the 15th century

Could be 1480 or 1490 for all I know

[restive geyser]

depends on the engravings

[coral path]

Wdym?

[restive geyser]

engravings get more and more advanced over time, ofc there is already fairly advanced ones before but not nearly as in mass

[coral path]

There were a lot of pieces of architecture from the 15th century that looks identical to the 16th century

Yooo its the dance of death guy

[restive geyser]

really? Because i swear that was something to tell apart certain furniture's

[vivid solar]

Would you recommend it?

[vivid solar]

Beautiful

I desperately hope we will get a horse update/DLC in Halfsword. Theyre so magestic

[weak halo]

Yes, I had a lot of fun with it

Although I recommend editing the armor parameters files to have the values from other mods that add weapon deflection

It's really fun to have working plate armor

[vivid solar]

How does one do that

[weak halo]

Dark magic

[coral path]

Ca.1455 Berne Breastplate

[coral path]

Armour of the Frederick Elector Palatine. Workshop of Tomasso Missaglia, Milan around 1450, a major work of Milanese armour making. Court Hunt and Armoury Vienna. KHM.

[remote fulcrum]

I love the helmet, I love bascinet style helmets

[coral path]

Yes, great bascinets are very cool 😅

They remind me more of the early 15th century imo

[remote fulcrum]

2nd best late medival helmet style

after armets

in terms of raw drip

[coral path]

I like my Italian & Iberian sallets

[coral path]

This is so sick

Can't wait to wear this in hs

[remote fulcrum]

eastern european salets are the coolest salets imo

[terse bronze]

This guy is so me dude

I'm so teseida coded

[terse bronze]

Huh?

[remote fulcrum]

the drip

[terse bronze]

So Germanic sallets

You're wrong but it's ok to be wrong dw

[remote fulcrum]

this depiction is hungarian, but yes, germanic style ones

the big rounded tail is iconic

[terse bronze]

Eh

Western European sallets are cooler

[coral path]

This sallet

[terse bronze]

Glups

[remote fulcrum]

is that covered in felt?

thats cool af

[terse bronze]

Not felt

Velvet

[coral path]

Im sure he claimed it to be velvet

[terse bronze]

I had to harness my last 2 awake braincells to remember the word velvet jesus

[quaint shore]

i keep thinking that visor is a whole visor

and not a half one

[remote fulcrum]

cool either way, obviously cooler if it's velvet though

[coral path]

One of these days I'll get a sallet from izobov...

🙏

[remote fulcrum]

There's no way that was historically common though right? That's gotta be a dress or a tournament piece

[terse bronze]

It not being common doesn't mean it was exclusively a dress/tourney piece

It was done

And worn in wars

[terse bronze]

I vaguely remember an account mentioning an English yeoman during the war of the roses(?) wearing a velvet brig

[coral path]

[terse bronze]

But I don't remember the details of the context ect

[remote fulcrum]

that's cool, very showy and cool

[terse bronze]

It's all about looking cool tbh

[coral path]

I hope this will be the baron

[terse bronze]

Since you can totally have something perfectly functional AND perfectly stylish

[remote fulcrum]

The gilding on the blue one also looks great, really makes the wearer out as being worth capturing

[coral path]

Not exactly

Oh yeah.. the Ritter and rotwein playtest is out

[terse bronze]

Fuck you whaplode I hope you explode

[coral path]

that madrid one... 😍

[remote fulcrum]

bellowed visor is a big L

[terse bronze]

So fucking true

[remote fulcrum]

Smooth visors are so much more aesthetic

[robust tendon]

owl face sallets better

[terse bronze]

Owl face cool but can't really do anything when the pomegranate sallet is just so horizontally blessed

[coral path]

so much better

[remote fulcrum]

my face is too smooth, your insults simply slide off

[coral path]

I love the painted one (yk)

[robust tendon]

true

[robust tendon]

pomegranate sallet is awesome

[coral path]

Schipp

(1473-1474)

[terse bronze]

Medieval monks would go INSANE on Warhammer minis

/illustrators

You get me

[prisma raven]

Boo

[robust tendon]

visored barbuta...

[silver grotto]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1212547062693105677/1332777278811148289/attachment.gif

[remote fulcrum]

the modern version of the miniatures in medieval manuscripts is a shelf full of gunpla and warhammer minis

[terse bronze]

Perry's Miniature..

[prisma raven]

Michele Giambono, The Polyptych of Saint James (Saint James the Great, Saint John the Evangelist, Saint Filippo Benizzi, Saint Michael the Archangel, Saint Louis of Toulouse), cа. 1443-1445 |

Gallerie dell'Accademia, Venice

Peak

[vivid solar]

Teach me the ways

[vocal vale]

love that reinforcement

[weak halo]

It has been very long and I don't have access to my PC anymore

It should be as simple as opening the module .ini and going into the files using notepad++

[silver heart]

i was thinking exactly the same. are there any other depictions of such a reinforcement? it’s the first i’ve seen.

[vocal vale]

it’s similar to the “lilypad” reinforcements you see in this fresco from around 1450

[iron ginkgo]

where is this from

[silver heart]

my personal favorite variety.

though, is it really a sallet?

[fleet shore]

The bald man's sallet

[robust tendon]

nah

i think it's more of a grand bassinet(?)

[silver heart]

yeah i was gonna say that’d likely be more apt.

[robust tendon]

im not really sure what to call it but its not a sallet

very sallet-y visor ofc though

[terse bronze]

it's a surgeon

[robust tendon]

sturgeon

[silver heart]

to my understanding that’s the only example of such a helm with that construct. it shows up in the thun sketchbook alongside this sallet reminiscent close helm.

oh how i adore harnesses for dismounted bouts…

[desert wagon]

One of my fav visors

[desert wagon]

Klappvisors actually refer to the hinge on the forehead where the visor is attached, to clear up some things

[terse bronze]

also i think technically the correct spelling is klappvisier

but hounskull klappvisier is better anyway

it klapps the competition

[silver grotto]

https://tenor.com/view/fact-checked-fact-checked-true-sigismund-kcd2-kcd-gif-12154432158578270300

[terse bronze]

who's chilling down there with his halberd ???

[hot cape]

https://tenor.com/view/let’s-take-a-look-look-looking-big-cat-gif-3031494300177389811

wait a damn minute

oh damn it

[desert wagon]

Gotta agree, it does provide better protection because of the added snout. but imma choose the sitten visor cuz it looks cooler in my eyes

Cen anyone tell me the magnificent helm this man is wearing

[robust tendon]

looks like a bassinet

[coral path]

Ritter and rotwein.

[desert wagon]

Whats the name of the visor

[robust tendon]

i dont think it has a specific name

[desert wagon]

Bruh

[slate mulch]

wow thats hideous

[candid rapids]

grand bascinet with whatever the name of ths visor it comes with is called

[haughty creek]

I’ve seen people call those Venetian great Bascinets, but I don’t actually know where that name comes from for certain, so take that with a grain of salt

[desert wagon]

Alr

[weak halo]

So sexy...

What surprises me though is the lack of ventilation holes

[desert wagon]

Amongus

Why did the first pic remind me of among us bru

[weak marten]

👋

[coral path]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=14ISS9XtE0Q

also the new dequitiem vid is amazing (30 years war, not 1450-1470)

[terse bronze]

https://www.nga.gov/artworks/46177-baptism-christ?fbclid=IwY2xjawO9MlZleHRuA2FlbQIxMQBzcnRjBmFwcF9pZBAyMjIwMzkxNzg4MjAwODkyAAEecBfoRaoT_KKFppALC0ZZ613BUGClCEh7RAcFOQJ8IhnJS1r-Esu2Lb4Gqf4_aem_qAeVSVe3H2b6LagQ51qq5A

[vivid solar]

This is way outside the timeframe but can yall say if this guy's kit is accurate? He says it's like 80 lbs.

https://youtu.be/wNbXhCFlnwo?si=CaJNco3w8njwPug5

[terse bronze]

the first sallet is oversized

the corrazina look decent but not the best tbh

gauntlets look like they're optimized for sport

[silver grotto]

The bascinet too

[terse bronze]

Yeah i'm writing as I go along the video but yeah the bascinet also is definitely optimized for sport

the aventail is a bit scuffed

and the besagews look later than the fit

[terse bronze]

also since imperial units sucks it look like he said ~36kg which is more on the heavier side

[quaint shore]

that looks more like a brig idk tho

[terse bronze]

potato potato

[quaint shore]

isn't a corrazina a covered cuirass while brigandine is multiple plates riveted to textile

i could be falling for bait here.. but I do not think they are the same

👀

[coral path]

something feels late here... but the repro is by Roman Furajtár.

[quaint shore]

are those tassets fucking duct taped onto the cuirass

[vivid solar]

Wdym when you say optimized for sport? In what ways?

[quaint shore]

Holy shit they are

[coral path]

wip

[quaint shore]

Thats amazing

[terse bronze]

yes and no

historically both were sometimes called both depending on who, when and where

[quaint shore]

i see

[quaint shore]

i mean when in doubt just tape it

[terse bronze]

breath holes on both sides, visor-locking buckle

[coral path]

https://anno1471.wordpress.com/2022/09/09/equipment-showcase-sallet-and-bevor/

cool stuff I posted in a dif server

[vivid solar]

How about the gloves?

[terse bronze]

they're shaped like hourglass gauntlets but are mittens

iicr in some sports like buhurt you have to have mittens

[terse bronze]

i love those kettles

/capacete or cabasset whatever

[coral path]

yeah

[lone osprey]

do you have images of those bevors with the visor being used in the games timeframe? Goll has the first one I sent to 1490s just realized

[prisma raven]

This is probably the oldest depiction of that kind of bevor that I know of
#1447306092957663424 message

[lone osprey]

awesome thank you

[prisma raven]

Anyway, I'll keep looking to see if I can find an earlier depiction

[terse bronze]

a bit late but it's cool

[vivid solar]

Stunning

[lethal adder]

sword has its own cape. holy moly.

[bleak ore]

We need this helmet

[restive geyser]

God no

[coral path]

why not

[restive geyser]

I love sallets as much as the last guy, that shi looks too strange 😭

[terse bronze]

i'm the last guy

[restive geyser]

Yes, ofc

I hope we get the ability to tilt sallets up in the ea, would be cool

[coral path]

visors have been leaked to be lifted.

and confirmed in a stream

[terse bronze]

why lift visor 😂 😂 😂 arrow agincourt 😂 😂

[restive geyser]

Sire

https://youtube.com/shorts/WsTh2c82hV0?si=M7MWjaO2EJ95QPtz the armor guy is wearing later in the video, is it good?

[vivid solar]

i asked this yesterday loll

[vivid solar]

^^

[restive geyser]

Oh lmfao

Sorry Onion!

I find it cool doe that like the Mordschlag, didn't do too much

[coral path]

yeah was gonna say that armour looks more for sport

def not reenactment

[coral path]

https://www.dbkcustomswords.com/

(in case anyone wanted to know the maker)

[restive geyser]

the guy they used was a dude who goes to festivals and tournaments

[terse bronze]

can't wait to be able to wear this harness in hs

[vivid solar]

Making custom outfits is honestly gonna be a highlight of HS if they do it right

I need to wear this man's drip

[vivid solar]

https://youtu.be/UezltUMbvuM?si=FeiZGD_ukIGABxu5

Love this channel but man his armour is not great

[fleet junco]

im pretty sure the reenactors just gave him that kit

[robust tendon]

all of that armor is not great lol

[vivid solar]

There's a few good kits in there, at least to my untrained eye

[robust tendon]

im skimming it rn and there's like one okay looking harness

rest is not great

[coral path]

where do you see a good kit?

all of that armor looks like its for sport

[vivid solar]

This one mainly

[coral path]

its a funky one thats for sure

[vivid solar]

Lol

[coral path]

wonder what reference was used for the pouldrons

[vivid solar]

Leagues above this in the very least

Lmfaoo

[coral path]

fucking yikes

[vivid solar]

I cant believe this is the featured armour that the main guy wears

Re-enactors did not do him well

[coral path]

https://tenor.com/view/face-awkward-cringe-gif-25272066

[coral path]

THATS A REENACTMENT!?

[vivid solar]

Yup lmao

[coral path]

https://tenor.com/view/spongebob-scared-fright-gif-1407771759511089766

[vivid solar]

He got given his gear by the reenactors 😔

They chalk it up to munitions grade lol

I hate this fucking sallet, literally game of thrones levels of bad

[coral path]

whats the reenactment group

[vivid solar]

Theyre the same picture:

[robust tendon]

yeah this was the only """okay""" kit i saw

still not really that good by the looks of it

[vivid solar]

He credits a few but I think "The Coventry Levy" are who supplied the kit

[coral path]

yeah its still weird imo

[robust tendon]

definitely a little off

but at least it looks properly polished

[vivid solar]

At least he's not begging for an arrow in the eye lol

[coral path]

the shaping of the armor is whats off

[robust tendon]

yea

[vivid solar]

Yeah it does look a bit weird

[coral path]

better than hollywood

🤣

[robust tendon]

not a high bar to clear lol

[vivid solar]

"The bar was so low it's a tripping hazard in hell. And here you are, limbo dancing with the devil."

[restive geyser]

Why it look like plastic

[restive geyser]

Movie sent in 15th century and everyone wearing 13th century armory and it's not even correct

[robust tendon]

its not polished i think thats why

[vivid solar]

That's if theyre even wearing armour

[robust tendon]

half the army wearin grey/black/brown and with studded leather because armor was for knights only

[vivid solar]

My favourite part in the King™ was when the King™ ran into the Battle™ looking like a broke peasant

[restive geyser]

Maybe but it still looks so fake...

[vivid solar]

They were fighting in it so it was metal

[restive geyser]

Is it funny

That for like medieval reenactments

They get everything so wrong

[vivid solar]

The other half wearing nothing at all because theyre fresh from the fields with their filthy pitchforks

[restive geyser]

Pitchforks are badass

[robust tendon]

shoulda put him in this shi

[vivid solar]

For sure, just commenting on the typical portrayal

[restive geyser]

I honestly got a big love for non military pitchforks being carried by soldiers

Due to a game trailer making it kind of dope looking

[restive geyser]

Cool tournament stuff

[vivid solar]

I hate that the King is what people think is the pinnacle of historical realism in Hollywood

[restive geyser]

It should be stated real quick, i don't think it's bad to not make armor fully historically accurate

So long as it's for fantasy

[coral path]

by CarameL

[restive geyser]

Chronicles: Medieval does this the best imo.

Taking time period accurate armor and taking creative liberties with it.

Hype for this game xd

[coral path]

feels like mordhau imo

its supposed to be like bannerlord

[vivid solar]

The King is meant to be a historical film, although it is based on the shakspierian play

[restive geyser]

It is

We only have like

20 second gameplay clips

The armory was stated by the devs to be intentionally not fully accurate

[restive geyser]

As they wanted to have creative liberties with it

[terse bronze]

Hi chat

[restive geyser]

Hi kevlar

[terse bronze]

why does the english one look like he has lipstick

[vivid solar]

Imo historically accurate armour just looks the best

[restive geyser]

He feeling romantical

[terse bronze]

antiqual rome ????

[vivid solar]

Also i hate the misconceptions people get with fantasy arms and armour

[restive geyser]

I feel like it can be quite limited to a certain degree

[vivid solar]

I mean i dont hate the look of this but I don't love it either

[vivid solar]

How so?

[restive geyser]

Medieval armor only can go so far in terms of looks before you've seen the same thing

Just shown differently

It's rly why a lot of medieval games

Do the

Half accurate half inaccurate

So they can make armor time period accurate armor and make it theres

Despite it not rly making sense

[vivid solar]

I mean WW1 and WW2 outfits were very standardized, and yet you don't see people needing to take huge liberties with those

[terse bronze]

Mmmpfgh..

[restive geyser]

Depends on game rly

Hell let loose has super accurate uniforms

And they add sometimes fairly obscure combat uniforms

[vivid solar]

I mean we'll see if it feels limiting with HS

I mean i just cant really think of something good looking you'd want to do that you couldn't do with accurate armour

Though I'm biased because i dont like a lot of the fantasy looks

[vivid solar]

And does it work?

[restive geyser]

oh for the point about WW1, Isonzo added some CRAAAAAZY obscure world war 1 italian and austro-hungarian uniforms

that like no one ever heard of or saw

[restive geyser]

it does lol

like way to well

the thing with medieval war

and like modernish war

(1900s-2025) is how like uniforms evolved

in medieval war, everyone sort of looked identical to a certain degree. But in more modernish combat, uniforms became more strange and unique. Which can lead to like WW1, WW2, Cold war, or vietnam games to have super odd fucking uniforms and get away with it because it was something that was worn

[vivid solar]

I don't think you can really say everyone looks the same in medieval armour

[restive geyser]

well, the most common identifier in manuscripts was a banner

and i can't remember what battle it was

but it was a heavy fog

and so much friendly fire happened

but about half sword

will half sword suffer from the "I've seen this before." eh nah.

one of the leaks reveals that this game is going to have a fairly indepth armor customization

with the ability to add rondels and such to your armor

If anything this game will allow us to exploit the thing that makes historically accurate games kind of fun: It looks fucking stupid, but this was likely worn

[vivid solar]

Battle of Barnet

It wasnt so much friendly fire lol, but the star badge was mistaken for the sun

That doesnt mean everyone looked the same

Modern soldiers actually look the same because theyre all in standardized uniforms lol

[robust tendon]

mesh visor frying me but otherwise love this harness

[robust tendon]

true, the best fantasy armor is the fantasy armor that is basically just historical armor but with some fantasy flair

whf does it pretty good i think

[vivid solar]

What is whf?

[robust tendon]

warhammer fantasy

[restive geyser]

warhammer fantasy my beloved

[vivid solar]

It doesnt even look goofy tho

[robust tendon]

the OG before 40k

[coral path]

All'antica/Heroic and Low fantasy 🔥

[vivid solar]

Uhm

[robust tendon]

nahhh you're looking at the wrong stuff

[vivid solar]

I just googled warhammer fantasy lol

[coral path]

fashionable and functional armor is the stuff

[restive geyser]

that is like

[robust tendon]

they got that shit on

[restive geyser]

partially true

[robust tendon]

the minis look way better than a lot of the art

[terse bronze]

Reference channel just do be general-chat premium

[vivid solar]

Thisss

[restive geyser]

How are you not going to mention the state troopers??

they are drippy af 😭

[coral path]

eh. (imo)

[robust tendon]

unfinished armor looks kinda cool even if it wouldn't rly be left like this

[robust tendon]

not rly the best photo one could find of them

[restive geyser]

because thats old world

its the state troops.. old uniform

[coral path]

randoslaus goat

[robust tendon]

true

1455 - 'St. Michael' (Maarten (Martin) van Rode), stadhuis, Brussels City Museum, Brussels, Belgium

note the croissant/gusset

[vivid solar]

I heard that less wealthy soldiers would have unpolished armour and you may be able to see the hammer marks. Is that accurate?

[vocal vale]

no

[robust tendon]

pretty sure it would be polished for even lower class soldiers

iirc the main difference with low class armor is the quality of the steel/iron itself but not sure there

[vocal vale]

if you can afford the piece you can afford the polish

[vivid solar]

Dont remember the name of the guy i heard that from but he is a popular historian

It was from a KCD2 review iirc

https://youtu.be/sk6hyILP7Gs?si=HO46d9zQyts1v6q8

This guy

Timecode 2:13

He also talks about wearing armour generations old, which I know has been a heavily disputed point here before

[lone osprey]

There are black sallets that were left unpolished because they would be covered in fabric (not explicitly out of poorness) from c.1480-c.1530 and there are some bascinets upgraded to great bascinets that imply they saw decades of use in the early 15th century (source: Matthias Goll's thesis) but i think the stereotype people have in mind of poor soldiers using random found or old bits of armour doesnt have much substance to my knowledge.

[bright token]

Do alla tedesca armour look exactly like german gothic armour? Are they bit rounder than actual German harness?

[bright token]

Flemish style right?

[robust tendon]

not rly

yeah id say a bit rounder

[robust tendon]

think so

[vivid solar]

In the video Capwell said he saw someone using a hundred year old helmet in a source, doesnt provide the source though

[vocal vale]

alla tedesca sallets often have full visors in the italian manner rather than half visors

the elbows are often articulated instead of floating

decorated central “swoop” on the plackart

fluting on knee and elbow wings

off the top of my head

[bright token]

Thank you SamofSaturn!

[bright token]

whats central swoop?

[vocal vale]

like the part where the plackart is connected by a sliding rivet to the breastplate

i didn’t know how else to describe it

that little upward protrusion thingy in the center

[bright token]

Oh ok i get it now thank you for the explaining 🙏

[robust tendon]

full visors in the italian manner? would u happen to have an image

[silver grotto]

Like this

[desert wagon]

He looks awfully dead inside

[sand badger]

The thoughts you share similar to mine they are

[restive geyser]

The issue we have with old armor is this

It's hard to accurately track how much a of oddity it was, we simply shouldn't and won't bother with something that seemingly ONLY appears in religious art post-1450, and in the handful of manuscripts that don't show them in religious art but rather statues, the authenticity is questionable since the statues are ALSO religious.

What we know is that they are rare by half sword time (1470) sure maybe it could be added, but it's so rare that I feel like a lot of people would rather just not

[paper prawn]

⛽

[lone osprey]

except that one time charles V didnt want his ugly ass innsbruck armour
https://www.khm.at/kunstwerke/unvollendeter-kinderharnisch-372240

[vocal vale]

what?

[snow nova]

we will get this

[snow nova]

or we have this already in HS

i dont remind

[haughty steeple]

Maille Brayette as an alternative to a Fould.
Used through much of the middle ages, commonly seen with Gothic styled plate.
Esentially maille booty shorts.

[fleet junco]

maile booty shorts

[keen pewter]

Maile booty shorts

What would they say in the back

[thorny otter]

i happen to have a pair
fastening with hooks in the front helps

but it's a tricky thing with fastening in general, too many players in the sub waist area

[terse bronze]

"Maille braies" would technically be more correct, brayettes are the little codpiece flaps

[haughty steeple]

oh sorry, i heard a friend of mine who’s way more educated about armour call them “brayette” so i thought it was correct

[terse bronze]

Funnily enough that gave modern french the word "braguette" which is the crotch zip part on pants

[restive geyser]

I am saying it's hard to track how common or uncommon old armor was in the 15th century, and manuscripts and statues around the 15th century are all religious and aren't reliable (that depict old armor)

[coral path]

Are you talking about "manner of the ancients"?

[robust tendon]

nah he's talking about like older/outdated armor like bassinets for instance

[restive geyser]

Yes

I thought i made that super clear with the video i was responding to...

[coral path]

Like this is from 1475 depicting antiquity armor

[restive geyser]

Isn't this religious

[coral path]

Yes, it is depicting a biblical scene.

[restive geyser]

Yeah

That's like what i said..

Finding old armor in manuscripts that aren't religious

Is hard, hella hard

And even then it could be trying to show antiquity

[coral path]

You mean armor from when the art was produced, right?

Or do you mean finding antiquity armor is hard to find from a later period like 1450-1470?

[restive geyser]

Finding older armor in the mid to late 15th century without it being shown in a religious setting or for the sake of antiquity

[robust tendon]

random pinterest find

[weak halo]

I hate it when they mix armors from different periods

[weak halo]

Pinterest is a gold mine for medieval stuff

[coral path]

I wish tom biliter would put his sources in the description for his pins

Usually its just ref_arm1234

Dude makes amazing maille tho

[restive geyser]

Barbute with plume is kinda cool

[terse bronze]

Where's the visor

[vocal vale]

it’s from the goll thesis

[cunning mountain]

thats cracked gamer

[restive geyser]

hey, are these bascinets?

[vocal vale]

bro knows ball

[restive geyser]

crappy picture but

just asking

better

[vocal vale]

looks to me like a couple of bascinets and a couple of early armets and maybe one greathelm

[restive geyser]

i am certain this is depicting the honour of Richmond

But i was asking because its dated 15th late

[vocal vale]

that’s definitely not accurate

[cunning mountain]

might be

rondel sallet

could be an anachronistic image

[vocal vale]

that’s the only thing in the whole picture that is even remotely 15th century

i mean literally everything else is like 1410 at the latest

[cunning mountain]

whats it depicting?

[restive geyser]

honour of Richmond

[restive geyser]

ah here we go

@vocal vale "Whole page showing the investiture of Alan of Brittany as Earl of Richmond (kneeling in surcoat, a mail hood, with coronet and a sword on his belt) by William the Conqueror (sitting on stone seat wearing full armour). Behind William eight knights in armour; all but one has visors down. In the top right hand corner is a walled city, presumably York."

its a painting showing a mix of very old stuff

with new stuff

which is weird

[cunning mountain]

it's pretty frequent for manuscripts to do stuff like that, especially when depicting historic scenes

[cunning mountain]

like this one depicting a 14thc knight in a bascinet alongside a more contemporary guy in that kettle

[vocal vale]

there’s only one potentially new thing in the whole picture and it’s hard to make out any of the details

[restive geyser]

https://digital.bodleian.ox.ac.uk/objects/e3de1169-e849-4088-b82e-ea4da1315b2d/surfaces/73256725-c390-4c7e-bc31-7241fe810e43/

thats the whole book

[vocal vale]

i would definitely not date it at late 1400s but the sallet is developed enough to be within the first half of the century

[cunning mountain]

tassets, poleyns and the slender and long swords all seem to evoke late 15thc

[restive geyser]

a lot of dates featured on the bodleian archive is like

super strange

i am certain they are accurate

but sometimes they are so fucking unhelpful

[vocal vale]

fuck you right twin

the tassets

this artist was apparently just really good at making stuff look old

[restive geyser]

tf u mean

[cunning mountain]

greathelm expert

[restive geyser]

"before 1500" Son.

[cunning mountain]

sorta. this one'

is silly i like it

[restive geyser]

https://digital.bodleian.ox.ac.uk/objects/de11a7fc-9a2a-4809-8a76-5a831f85fd04/surfaces/f82618f9-a162-4cd3-aa54-365af1e59854/

cool shit in this manuscript

it looks to be dated around 1480, if the date wasn't the most dogshit thing ever then I could reliably source the date

regardless, the armor here is seemingly within the time for half sword. (idk if this book was sent before but eh.) and they have nice engravings and lining

[restive geyser]

looks a bit like

a Frogmouth i think its called

[cunning mountain]

yeah it is similar

[restive geyser]

it should again be stated.. the event depicted here is from the 10th century

[vocal vale]

this to me is like the palazzo ducale bascinet with a different visor

especially with that little stop rib

[restive geyser]

Palazzo Ducale has some cool shit in their armoury section

[vagrant wraith]

reminds me of this

[terse bronze]

my favorites

[restive geyser]

i just love how everything is so well kept

[weak halo]

Me trying to remain calm when something annoying happens repeatedly despite my best efforts to fix it

[vagrant wraith]

real

[haughty steeple]

is that a cervelliere fashioned into a sallet? i love that

[terse bronze]

No it's just a sallet with a short articulated tail

and a reinforcement browplate

[slate mulch]

why reinforce brow if no visor

[terse bronze]

to have a better protected forehead ?

seems pretty important

[slate mulch]

while your face is exposed ?

[terse bronze]

yes

like 90% of helmets throughout history

why are soldiers wearing ballistic helmets if their faces are exposed

they should be clad head to toe in ballistic armor or wear nothing at all !!

[vagrant wraith]

if someone slashes at your face its gonna hit your helmet first

[restive geyser]

Even helmets with visors we see soldiers either with them up or have the helmet titled

[terse bronze]

Yep

even visored helmets do have brow reinforcements too