references♥_1450-1470

[restive geyser]

And the cross being on the falchion was just average religious art and being a bit over the top lol

[coral path]

These falchions are sick

[restive geyser]

We going to ignore the guy in the back lmfaoo

Medieval tf2 soldier

His sallet is just covering his eyes

[coral path]

Look at what's on the table

[restive geyser]

babies

Most sane medieval art

[coral path]

Bifurcated

[restive geyser]

I have seen these type of falchions in other art, but idk the legitimacy of it.

They genuinely only rly appear in art that are over the top, though..i still think they are hella cool

[coral path]

Im happy we got one in the game lol

[restive geyser]

Falchion with a funky hook piece

[coral path]

Such a weird manuscript

[restive geyser]

And there another falchion in the back with that same hook

And a fuuucked up edge

[restive geyser]

When i found it yesterday i was debating on whether or not i should send it, because I don't remember the source, the year, or what is even being depicted

But the armory is all over the place

Scale armor

[coral path]

Well it definitely doesn't fit the games period 🤣

[restive geyser]

Bascinet, spurs

[coral path]

But its dope

I like it a lot tbh

[restive geyser]

A lot of falchions

[restive geyser]

Need these ingame

[coral path]

I bet they'll make an appearance soon.. Hopefully

[restive geyser]

Likely

I want a lot of mail armory ingame

Aprons..

Sabatons..

Mail bevors..

[remote fulcrum]

mail would make full armored combat even more of a slog though in a lot of cases, imagine if those armpit stabs didn't go through

[restive geyser]

Maces and hammers deal with everyone in a few headshots

[remote fulcrum]

I dont find that but im not that good with a mace

[restive geyser]

I want basic mid-end equipment

[remote fulcrum]

more swiss army polearms

[restive geyser]

Half sword knight gameplay is boring to me but i love being semi armored like a foot soldier

[remote fulcrum]

we do it all

[coral path]

This is THE perfect kit

[restive geyser]

Nice ass vouge

[restive geyser]

I like the halberds in game honestly, they fit the more low end soldier feel imo for a kit

And meh, i am not a huge fan of halberds. I think they are cool doe

[coral path]

💔

[remote fulcrum]

or more billhooks, for when you want to pull someone toward you kidneys first

[restive geyser]

But so much medieval games are filled with halberds, kind of wanna see other weaponry besides it

[restive geyser]

Cmon man

Switzerland has cooler shit

The swiss degen ❤️

[remote fulcrum]

switzerland does not have cooler shit because there is no cooler shit

[restive geyser]

I prefer the swiss degen over an halberd, any day for pure looks

[coral path]

Im done bro

[restive geyser]

Why?! Don't hate on the degen!!

[remote fulcrum]

bro thats just a gladius

[restive geyser]

Uhhhhhhhh...

[coral path]

Done with this chat for today

[restive geyser]

These two look

Nothing alike

I could be 500 miles away looking through binoculars in a hurricane and still could tell between these two

[remote fulcrum]

im mostly joking

[restive geyser]

What happened 💔

[remote fulcrum]

the degen you provided is a bit skinnier than most of the repros I've seen

this is more along the lines of what I think of when I hear a degen

[restive geyser]

Isn't that a swiss dagger

Swiss degen is a longer version of a swiss dagger, but like

One a dagger

The other technically an arming sword

Rly the only similarity they have is they are used with one hand

And the blade width was rly up to the user. There is some wider blades and thin blades

[remote fulcrum]

more so in terms of geometry, fat base, moderate taper suitable for the cut and the thrust

but leaning very thrusty

[restive geyser]

Call me crazy

But as a sidearm weapon

I would prefer thin

Over wide

[remote fulcrum]

down to preference really, historical fencers did seem to go thinner over time, but if you want the blade to have the heft to parry with, you might want it a little fatter

[restive geyser]

Heft to parry with?

[remote fulcrum]

as opposed to something really thin that is going to be harder to parry/bind with

[restive geyser]

What.

[coral path]

THIS CHAT 🤣

[restive geyser]

Sir, that's a structure thing.

You know like

[remote fulcrum]

bigger flat=more area to parry

[restive geyser]

What a parry dagger is...

A off hand knife

That is intended for parrying and offense

Some don't even have notches to hook with

[remote fulcrum]

I mostly do iaido, so perhaps it's different in HEMA, but it's virtually always easier to parry with a wider blade in iai

you get more contact and more control that way

[restive geyser]

Parrying is done by good structure, none of it is the sword. It's how you use the sword

I can be a fragile woman and still kick a buff guy ass due to having good structure, and idk what your sword combat style has to do with it.

I think that's the same thing across like all weapon martial arts

Yeah sure SOME swords have these hooks to bind and control easier

But generally it's something just about every weapon has the ability to do besides like, maybe a few

[remote fulcrum]

right, but we're not comparing good structure to bad structure, we're comparing good structure with a wide blade and and good structure with a narrow blade

[restive geyser]

I don't... think that matters...

[remote fulcrum]

it's possible that my experience being mostly in katana (a cut centric sword) has led me to over-value features that make swords better in that realm, but in general a broader/heavier sword seems to me to be easier to control an opponent's sword with

[restive geyser]

Oops

Wrong thing

That's a manual download link

[restive geyser]

There

There a lot more manuals someone here can show but like

Off hand daggers

Were used for parrying

And they were...

Thin..

[remote fulcrum]

I suppose it shouldnt matter much on such a short blade

and since they were so thrust oriented the thinness makes a lot of sense

[desert wagon]

where’d your legendary bug shaker pfp go

[restive geyser]

Cia took it

[restive geyser]

I recommend you talk this up with someone whom has done sword hema..

SamofSaturn and John longsword are options

@fast pagoda

[vocal vale]

whaddya want

[restive geyser]

Hey you're not longsword

Hema talk

[thorny arrow]

They look fairly similar.

[restive geyser]

[terse bronze]

What the bruh

[restive geyser]

Evacuation bus is still open

[terse bronze]

Just woke up do I have time to breakfast

[restive geyser]

Uh

No.

[terse bronze]

[restive geyser]

I can count the pixels

[vocal vale]

nuke the fucking channel 💔

[restive geyser]

But... all the good art and armory!!!

Chat, the swiss degen is officially a gladius and the halberd is a vouge.

Furthermore a longsword is now a long knife and the Rapier is medieval swiss army knife. Have a goodnight everyone.

[fast pagoda]

Schreiber already have their own exclusive references channel for tat

Wher evil doth not dwell

[restive geyser]

The evil will probably dwell

In there minds as they go to bed

I had a cool manuscript but i am tired af and don't want to send it rn

[vocal vale]

somebody send me a burgundian flag-on-the-helmet

[restive geyser]

@fast pagoda You like falchions at least?

[restive geyser]

It would be funny if someone sent a england flag instead

[terse bronze]

Sent

Dm me for the tracking number

[thorny arrow]

Big ass forehead

[steep yoke]

holy brim

[runic holly]

any info of this?

[tough vale]

https://tenor.com/view/clone-wars-confederacy-of-independent-systems-separatists-commando-droids-gif-11803953589326743638

[terse bronze]

Misinterpretation of a ~mid 14thC. Bascinet in a french manuscript

The visor should be flatter, a bit like a wielding mask kinda

[acoustic rock]

👋

[restive geyser]

Certain this is out of the timeframe

[restive geyser]

I love medieval welding mask

[runic holly]

Thanks lads

[restive geyser]

It's a cool attempt at making neck protection with a helmet doe

[terse bronze]

found the thing

[restive geyser]

The art shown, what that's year? It looks like late 13th century or early 15th

[terse bronze]

~mid 14thc

so like 1320-1350 around that

[robust tendon]

can barely see the shape tbh

[terse bronze]

it look like a grande chronique de france

[restive geyser]

Alright, it's still a cool helmet. Would be cool to see in half sword but it's out of our timeframe

[robust tendon]

its very ugly imo

not the greatest of losses

[terse bronze]

tbh they also forgot about how the other one in the same image looks

which has a more bulbous occularia area

[restive geyser]

This is like, a poor recreation. But it reminds me of this but longer

This is from a game too

[terse bronze]

Français 13568 fol. 83r
Histoire de Saint Louis
Cinquième croisade : Siège de Damiette

[terse bronze]

me when i puke

[robust tendon]

i think on the better drawing the visor shouldn’t be as long

[restive geyser]

So true

[terse bronze]

when i puke shit

and shit piss on my puke

[restive geyser]

@robust tendon so much french heraldry

Tf is up with that lol

[terse bronze]

it's saint louis and other french nobles entering damiette

[restive geyser]

That makes more sense now

[robust tendon]

so high ranking mfs who are with a king

[restive geyser]

Normally the heraldry is on well what crecy said

High ranking soldiers

[robust tendon]

i mean idk for sure but im just going off of what they show in ms

[restive geyser]

It's a bit wack to see them all in just one area

[robust tendon]

which is kings wearing their heraldry and the rest of the soldiers wearing plain colors

[terse bronze]

these are knights/squires or other type shit

[robust tendon]

nothing identifying

[robust tendon]

Could also be that wearing your colors was more common earlier, idk

[restive geyser]

Low quality image

But it supports what crecy has said

[terse bronze]

this one seem to be Jean de Joinville, noble from Champagne, chronicler for Saint Louis

[restive geyser]

I think that depends on the nation to be honest

It seems some countries had more heraldry over others

My beloved swiss Confederacy is often shown in art with there coat of arms SOMEWHERE on there person, either it be on the front of the armor or somewhere else

While places like england, Germany and France.

Don't rly do this, and everyone is skittles

While high rankings is mostly covered in heraldry

[terse bronze]

he was senechal (idk how to say it in english) of Champagne

[robust tendon]

thats high ranking isnt it

[terse bronze]

yeah

apparently the english word is seneschal so

[restive geyser]

So basically: a commander and his officers?

Is what is being shown

[terse bronze]

He's still a knight, noble/count, here in crusade so of he's obviously gonna fight and lead people anyway

[restive geyser]

Yeah, I've seen that a lot

Mostly on horseback and they are given frog helmets (forget the name) in art

[coral path]

Did this channel fix itself

[restive geyser]

The degen is a gladius

And the halberd is a vouge

Are you mad yet, Mordschlag?

[coral path]

Arma Bohemia repro

[restive geyser]

I need this ingame so badly..

[coral path]

Actually sick

Who made it?

[prisma raven]

https://www.facebook.com/toxophilus.net/posts/pfbid02XiMXCPbqgMtYRXJZPUi74oAhD8Es468WdXd8A83aC2wWPpxDyAcfEoqNMheb5wNVl

[restive geyser]

Wow tf

That's clean

[sullen charm]

Not surprised to read this coming from MR. BREASTPLATE

[restive geyser]

Oh sorry

I meant the Halberd is actually a longsword

[sullen charm]

At least this is worth contemplating on

[restive geyser]

The spear is just a dagger with a long handle

[terse bronze]

me when swordstaff

[restive geyser]

Fighting the knight with my elongated dagger

[sullen charm]

I'm really considering getting shoes like this for everyday wear

I found out some people actually do that especially for hiking and pilgrimages

[terse bronze]

honestly we need to actively change the shape of our shoes, the current super pointy tip fashion is literally fucking up our feet and toes

type shit

[terse bronze]

16thc guys were onto something really

[restive geyser]

I just wear sandals a lot

[weak halo]

I'm not surrendering my fancy pointy dress shoes

[terse bronze]

Nothing stop you from wearing them when you actually have to look fancy

[terse bronze]

Barefoot or espadrilles for me most of the time

Whenever I don't need to actually dress

[weak halo]

I only remove them to sleep

[terse bronze]

Lol bro sleeps

Stuck in 2007

[weak halo]

This reminds me, I should polish my shoes

Haven't done it since the start of summer

[restive geyser]

1375-1399.

Paris, france. Finger rings on that longsword on man at the bottom.

finger rings are out of the game current timeframe, as they were primarily seen in 14th century, there is likely a few examples of these finger rings being used in more earlier examples than just the 14th century and far into the 15th century. But i find them quite cool, because its a early example of finger grip that we see with rapiers

[coral path]

There are many depictions of finger rings in the 15th century

[restive geyser]

have any you could send?

[coral path]

Yes, one moment

https://discord.com/channels/1043854763189600337/1447340973528186880

Do you have access to view this?

[restive geyser]

i can view it

[coral path]

Lots of good shit here

[restive geyser]

Will check it out more later

but i love finger rings

it would be so cool to have in half sword with a unique grip

[lethal adder]

yea im looking forward to the fencing improvements coming with EA

[restive geyser]

1410-1420 France, This is from a book by i believe Flavius Josèphe

there is some cool shit in there actually

[lethal adder]

as of right now longsword duelling feels a bit half (sword!?!?!) baked

[restive geyser]

https://gallica.bnf.fr/ark:/12148/btv1b8452200r/f147.planchecontact

[coral path]

I want to be able to mordhau

[restive geyser]

a bunch of stuff in there

[coral path]

Yeah ive seen it

[restive geyser]

wanna see the weirdest falchion that i have ever seen?

[coral path]

Sure

[restive geyser]

1400-1425

France

this is i believe religious

but the falchions from this artist depictions are so weird

This is from 1410-1440 Bavaria, germany

[lethal adder]

i just want to be able to aim my thrusts properly

[restive geyser]

double click m1

[lethal adder]

ik

[vocal vale]

use alt !

[coral path]

Well that just takes practice

[vocal vale]

and left handed grip

[lethal adder]

alt thrusting feels better

but yea

[restive geyser]

i don't even use alt nor double m1 anyways lol

i just swing stab

[coral path]

https://discord.com/channels/1043854763189600337/1287593473217790034

Just post in here 🤣

[lethal adder]

alt is good for big swings to give a bit of reach but thats hard to pull off sometimes

[restive geyser]

alright lol

[lethal adder]

oh what the hell i didn't even know abt the other threads in here

[restive geyser]

there a few

[lethal adder]

dats awesome

[restive geyser]

reference channel and two discussion channels

the discussion is to nerd out on older + more earlier equipment

references is more so for the game

[lethal adder]

awesome.

gotta say as much as i love 15th century arms and armor 14th century remains my favorite period for it. very nice.

[terse bronze]

hehe

[lethal adder]

dread it. run from it. rondel arrives all the same.

[vocal vale]

mfs really just slapped these on huh

[lethal adder]

medieval equivalent of ERA on tanks

[terse bronze]

except rondels work

[lethal adder]

truke

medieval equivalent of active defense systems was militia just putting themselves in front of arrows and bolts

[restive geyser]

I didn't even notice that rondel, are like sallets with rondels something that was common up to the mid to late 15th century?

[terse bronze]

yeah

[robust tendon]

i want to say i've seen a rondel sallet up to like 1500

[restive geyser]

I think rondels are cool, would be nice to see them in half sword

ON SALLETS

i meant to add sallets

[robust tendon]

1502

[restive geyser]

those are some over the top spikes lol

[slate mulch]

that sword is fucken mad

[restive geyser]

its a Falchion

a veeeery

over the top falchion

[robust tendon]

evil ass sword

[slate mulch]

fallout 4 krevmhs tooth lookin ass

[robust tendon]

medieval artists tend to make the weapons of 'bad guys' look scary

[restive geyser]

its a religious piece of art

[lethal adder]

were torses commonly worn at this point? would be cool to see them added as a cosmetic option

[robust tendon]

they're in period yes

idk if super common but definitely worn

[lethal adder]

epic..

[restive geyser]

these weird like

[slate mulch]

good cuz that shit looks baller

[restive geyser]

Falchions

were super common in religious arts

[lethal adder]

looks like an Italian bill blade almost lol

[restive geyser]

Like we see Falchions here with some suuuper weird blades

[terse bronze]

me

[restive geyser]

thank you kevlar

but yeah

a lot of art depicts falchions to be either, super over the top

or like just normal

[terse bronze]

statue of Dunois (presumably) as a military saint from Châteaudun

[robust tendon]

here it looks like they're trying to depict easterners

[lethal adder]

wearing a menorah on ur damn head what da hell

[terse bronze]

Art by Eol

[restive geyser]

I would try and support your claim but i sadly cannot remember the source of this

[lethal adder]

eol so good

[coral path]

Eol does such good stuff

[terse bronze]

that is incredibly mild when it comes to wacky crests

[lethal adder]

oh yea ive seen some crazy stuff in manuscripts

[robust tendon]

jarvis pull up the sausage skewer crest on the wicker bassinet

[lethal adder]

whole griffons and pegasus on top of heads

[coral path]

This

[terse bronze]

Saint Michael
French

ca. 1475

[prisma raven]

"Crayfish"?

ca. 1488 - 'Altarpiece of All Saints' (Miquel Lochner), Barcelona, Museu de la Catedral, Catedral, Barcelona, Spain.

[lethal adder]

saw a giant fish crest depicted on a frogmouth once

[lethal adder]

my crest would be a second helmet so my enemy wouldn't know where my actual head is

[terse bronze]

I genuinely saw a greathelm with a greathelm as a crest

as well as a couple of bunny ears

[lethal adder]

lmao that rocks

[restive geyser]

i found it

to be frank

i have no clue what is trying to be depicted

1400-1425 france, and the other art the artist made just depicts war

there is rly only French Heraldry, other horses and commanders just have what seems to be Burgundy

[terse bronze]

since most of those manuscripts are either bibles or chronicles..

Here the knight has a roman eagle on his caparison so it might very well depict romans against idk..persians ?

[restive geyser]

yeah

the SPQR eagle is there

[restive geyser]

its just a super weird collection of art

[restive geyser]

half sword, when?

[restive geyser]

if i cannot put this on willie helmet, there will be a riot istg

[terse bronze]

yup

[coral path]

Boris posted this

[restive geyser]

did people think a knife could actually fit in there?

[terse bronze]

you'd be surprised

[robust tendon]

some people would

[restive geyser]

truest words spoken

[terse bronze]

they stole his face

[robust tendon]

actually a ghost wearing armor

[restive geyser]

i feel like some people look at manuscripts

and see a few rare examples of armor being cut through like butter

and say thats how all armor was

but ignore those examples that show that, are mostly just overtop

[robust tendon]

eh ive not really seen that too much

[terse bronze]

people can't understand that it was used as a device to convey a story rather than be 1:1 accurate to how armor behaved

[robust tendon]

seems to be well known that armor worked and you could move well in it, etc

[restive geyser]

i've seen it once, like years ago

[terse bronze]

you'd be surprised

[coral path]

Especially nowadays

[robust tendon]

like the old myths are mostly gone now but replaced with shi like 'gambeson was worn under armor for blunt impact' and 'maces were the ideal armored combat weapon' etc

[terse bronze]

voulge!!

[coral path]

Mordhau armor physics

[restive geyser]

A lot of medieval armor depictions involve them being killed through, ahem

blunt

stabbing in the groin, neck, or back

pulling off soldiers mail shirts and stabbing them in the ass or back.

[terse bronze]

swords are useless!!! only status symbol:::!!!

[robust tendon]

and the age old 'you'd see (x) old helmet in (x) period it doesn't belong because armor is passed down by poor people'

[coral path]

Like father and son!!!

[robust tendon]

worst ive seen is that they were worn for religious superstition

[terse bronze]

let me guess

because it's shaped like a cross?

[robust tendon]

yup i think that was what the guy said

it was a youtube channel, alex the history guy

[terse bronze]

islamic warriors wearing a cross at their belt :

[robust tendon]

shame becuase the kits seem pretty good otherwise

[restive geyser]

Oh nononono, so much people think that armor was a heater, did fucking nothing, had zero maneuverability and was more a nuisance than helpful tool

Ofc, this mindset is fading as people are learning more about medieval armory and such, but this mindset is still around sadly

[terse bronze]

legit there's some stuff out there i trully and genuinely wonder where did people hear it

[robust tendon]

there are some universities that perpetuate old bs like 'only the rich could wear armor' afaik

i knew a russian guy who claimed he was taught that at uni lol

but idk for sure

[terse bronze]

"2 handed swords were blunt weapons not meant for cutting"

Completely glancing over the fact that a sharp edge would transfer blunt force better anyway

[restive geyser]

you can look at like 10 manuscripts of a military force

almost like

everyone was wearing some form of armor

I hate the assumption that poor went into war basically butt ass naked

poor people still had some form of armor

[coral path]

Peasants Rarely fought on battlefield anyway

Rarely

[terse bronze]

anecdotally

[robust tendon]

iirc they fought in minor skirmishes though. not like as actual soldiers

[restive geyser]

i think people look at peasant revolts or rebellions and assume thats what every single medieval conflict looked like

[verbal bramble]

You would be surprised how many people think blackened armor is exclusively for conveying "evil black knights", instead of being a legitimate finish for armor (which I plan on making tests on how I could blacken steel to then apply to tempered armor). Or how many people think armor is ridiculously heavy

I have heard both of these things, though granted not from here.

[coral path]

This

[restive geyser]

the classic stuff honestly

[terse bronze]

people overall tend to transpose their modern views on societies from centuries past

[robust tendon]

i think thats how we get the gambeson under plate thing

or under maille

cause buhurters do that and they assume buhurters fight the same way medieval people did

[coral path]

https://tenor.com/view/walter-white-truth-nuke-walter-white-true-breaking-bad-truth-nuke-breaking-bad-true-gif-2370094217877194192

[terse bronze]

"noble didn't fight they just sent poor troops" about a time when nobles absolutely fucking fought as much as they could

[verbal bramble]

Hmm... Is there any source that states peasants did, or did not, go to war? Or do we not know?

[robust tendon]

they were like socially expected to do so afaik

[restive geyser]

rebellions i am pretty sure

[terse bronze]

they also, generally, "liked" it

[robust tendon]

you had john the blind being well, blind, and fighting and dying at a big ass battle

and being 56 or something

[restive geyser]

there is some Swiss Confederate peasants that killed a Duke of Burgundy with a halberd, but i am certain even that peasant had some form of armory

[terse bronze]

because beyond being their job (not including the rare knights for instance that prefered the paperwork and gestion aspect) it brought a lot of renown and shit

glory and stuff

[restive geyser]

there a good video that i need to find that shows that

[verbal bramble]

It would make sense for the guy who was supposed to rule over a smaller section of land, to go to war for either defense, money, or renown

[restive geyser]

even very poor soldiers, still were able to be equipped with armor

[robust tendon]

charles the bold? or do u mean another duke of burgundy who died by halberd lol

[terse bronze]

legit parts of why french knights got annihilated at azincourt

bunch of men-at-arms charging semi mindlessly not listening to orders because ..er..mm... GLOIRE MONTJOIE SAINT DENIS !!!!!!!

[verbal bramble]

Huh... I see. What happens to a soldier that performs exceptionally well in war, and is not a noble? Do they get rewarded or just sent back home (assuming they don't die in the middle of battle)?

[restive geyser]

there a lot ik lol

https://youtu.be/-d15lr50T1U

[robust tendon]

tbf
didn't they outnumber the english by a lot

[coral path]

Do not use dequitiems cuirass as a reference

[robust tendon]

i would be cocky too i think

[robust tendon]

he seems to know his stuff otherwise but idk why he calls his armor historically accurate

maybe he means how the steel is treated

[verbal bramble]

Pff- That is funny to me for some reason

[verbal bramble]

Haha axe on a stick go chop chop

[terse bronze]

also i got this comic

[coral path]

[verbal bramble]

OOOO

[restive geyser]

I won't but i am sending it because he just knows his stuff, thats it

[terse bronze]

#TotalBurgundianDeath

[verbal bramble]

Not to interrupt the jokes, but Kevlar?

[terse bronze]

sorry didn't see

idk

🙁

[verbal bramble]

Oh-

[terse bronze]

probably get a promotion i'd think

[restive geyser]

a poleaxe with an affixed hammer.. mmmmmm

[robust tendon]

no source but iirc there were instances of guys like that getting knighted

[restive geyser]

now that i think about it

[terse bronze]

https://aleaminiatures.blogspot.com/p/1464-1477-les-etendards-bourguignons.html

[restive geyser]

i think deadass Swiss Confederacy is the only country that had soldiers with just about almost nothing in terms of armory

a lot had armor

but some depictions show them just like basic clothing

[verbal bramble]

They could have armor under the clothes, which is not unprecedented (waffenrock, for example)

[restive geyser]

Oh yeah for sure

that was rather common

but its funny to see

[coral path]

Scheckes

[robust tendon]

could also be wearing jacks which don't always look layered

[restive geyser]

so much swiss soldiers just being in there clothes they work in to go to work in killing a noble for the 500th time

https://youtu.be/_lC7nXuECz8?list=RD_lC7nXuECz8

[verbal bramble]

Sory for the late reply- But if that is the case (which I know not if it is true), that would imply that the soldier in question getting knighted would get a lot of money, no?

[restive geyser]

RAAAH SWIZTERLAND

[robust tendon]

probably

[verbal bramble]

Huh- I had seen them before, but didn't know their name. But yeh- They had access to options for clothes above armor

[terse bronze]

don't mind me just plowing the land..

[coral path]

I want to see one in hs

And the wip outhouse

[restive geyser]

throwing a willie inside there

[coral path]

Swirly time

[weak halo]

AAAAUGGHHHHH

[coral path]

We will probably be able to burn it

The outhouse

[weak halo]

Can we throw Burgundians in before burning it down?

[coral path]

Iberian guy by mull

How flexible you think those sabatons are?

[slate mulch]

would the spine of a falchion work as a shitty bar mace

[weak halo]

Probably enough to break your foot lol

[terse bronze]

borderline liquid

[robust tendon]

not very well

[weak halo]

Sabaton so flexible you can stub your toe

[terse bronze]

we know that articulated stuff, even in the 15thc, had a wider rage of motion that the human inside it

swissoid

[slate mulch]

yea, thats why i said shitty

[robust tendon]

cool vouge

[weak halo]

This would look even more sick with a bollock dagger tucked behind the purse

[weak halo]

🅱️ollock

Tod's daggers are

[weak halo]

I've been really hesitating to commission a custom sword from a bladesmith

[coral path]

Saw this, really cool stuff

[weak halo]

I'd like to order an irl version of a type XVa sword I made in 3D

[steep yoke]

is bro about to be beheaded

[weak halo]

This one

I initially made it for KCD2 but the people in the modding server are a bunch of stuck up snobs :/

[terse bronze]

https://www.gaelfabre.com/galerie/

[weak halo]

How are his prices?

[terse bronze]

big

but so is the qual

[weak halo]

Ough

[terse bronze]

i let you translate

[weak halo]

I've been hesitating for Mateusz Sulowski but Idk how bad tariffs from Poland to NA would be

His Leatherwork is 🔥

[weak halo]

CAD to € conversion is

Any good historical bladesmiths in North America?

If anyone says "Cold Steel" I'm coming to your house to bite you in the neck

[terse bronze]

Acier Froid

[weak halo]

Do you have a link?

Wait

[restive geyser]

He said something

like my translation?

[weak halo]

This is what 5h of sleep does to a mf

[restive geyser]

Jarvis, show this man the sleeping soldiers from a 14th century manuscript

[terse bronze]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/451631560827994112/1350921106881642697/ride-2.gif

[restive geyser]

the shit ima do to you:

[lethal adder]

i neeeeeed itttt......

[weak halo]

Me after a slightest comprehension error online

[weak halo]

Once I get my computer back in working order I'll put it in Skyrim if you're interested

It sucks that I have to redo my whole conversion mod though

Then again, starting back from zero gives me to opportunity to make it even better

Making everything mesh together is the hard part

[restive geyser]

<@&1080390104562016306>

[wind widget]

https://tenor.com/view/david-martinez-mag-dump-blick-david-blicktinez-cyberpunk-gif-15887120100692089819

[restive geyser]

Thank you kind sire

@coral path is that a padded bevor???

[robust tendon]

same ms i believe

plackart over maille...

[robust tendon]

also what looks like the same thing here

[latent drift]

anybody got a picture of those boulbous germanic kettles with visor slits

[weak halo]

?

[latent drift]

why thank you

[weak halo]

Or are these what you're looking for

[coral path]

this ones the coolest

[steep yoke]

This video was so good

https://youtu.be/SFFgcTzCvMo?si=GmrXX8fzHQMgiRV_

It was cool seeing them shooting arrows at what they described as a normally armed soldier of the 1450's, the Brigandine did really freaking well

[weak halo]

I really like huge solid sallets

[coral path]

same

[latent drift]

indeed

[void stream]

I love one piece sallets

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1356367083142905967/1450323723403133029/togif.gif

[coral path]

So what would we call this shield?

[sonic glacier]

i think its called the razorback

[restive geyser]

turtle

[void stream]

medieval tutel

[restive geyser]

Snapping turtle but with a sword

and crossbow

[lone osprey]

has the profile of an adarga

[fleet junco]

i like warhats

cam we get warhats

[remote fulcrum]

mordschlag grip when devs

[coral path]

It will come soon

[robust tendon]

me

[sullen charm]

cordate pavise

[prisma raven]

https://www.facebook.com/ElthienArmory/posts/pfbid02ewcVDffjXZu1rT1QETKKGkczNCFkdaWPARpKueUrVAYFfBEADor7NFwwXdZ6dop2l

[coral path]

Amazing sallet repro

[void stream]

btw more sallets from Elthien

[thorny otter]

this is such a good event. There were two so far, hosted by Adeptus at Lipnice nad Sázavou. If anyone is around CZ in spring, I can wholeheartedly recommend visiting. Great location, some cool talks, some cool workshops.

[steep yoke]

painted sallets are so cool

shame militaries nowadays don't allow customization on their helmets

that shit was cool asf in vietnam

[snow nova]

i like this type

its like from bloody bastards england final boss

theese bevors are cool

[terse bronze]

the first one is attrocious

[terse bronze]

important to note that it's pretty much sure that these sallets (pretty much out of the time frame too btw) were originally covered

and painted later on

[steep yoke]

damn

[terse bronze]

you can see that by the amount of little holes all around the sallets

on the edges

meant to sew on stuff

[terse bronze]

don't think it would be wrong to call it pavise

[lone osprey]

its around 1480 but bro i just need to heal after the last posts

mfw

[fleet junco]

the lion

[hot cape]

why does he look at him like that

[robust tendon]

nice mirror polish

[coral path]

This is how to live

[drowsy sierra]

Is this game going to be focused on European nations only? Because imo I always thought middle eastern armor and weaponry is so nice

[terse bronze]

Don't post armstreet

[terse bronze]

also isn't that at the very least 16thc?

[drowsy sierra]

Is armstreet more fantasy? And according to them it was late 14c to early 15c

[terse bronze]

Armstreet is a costume shop

what they say, or show isn't to be trusted

[terse bronze]

well even if they were right, it still wouldnt fit the game timeframe

[steep yoke]

That armor is so dope

[coral path]

This is not western European armor, it will not be in the game

Also yeah i hate armstreet

[restive geyser]

Since half sword will be beginning of a trilogy, i do expect to see a sequel or spinoff game based in the middle east, but rn nah

[terse bronze]

me

[fleet junco]

thats u?

[drowsy sierra]

Oh I didn’t know they were already planning on other games, then ya I changed my mind, fully support keeping half sword western European

[coral path]

Example of giornea under breastplate

[restive geyser]

Honestly

jewerly would be cool in half sword

like rings

and necklaces

saint george had some cool rings

in the statue

[coral path]

Samofsaturn confirmed with me that the sword on the ground is an example of an early rapier from ca.1470.

just gonna leave this here

[remote fulcrum]

it'd probably also be reasonable to call it a sidesword, the distinction is, as I understand it, not precisely delineated

is there a typology similar to oakeshott for rapiers and the like?

[coral path]

I thought it was originally an example of an early rapier, I confirmed it with someone trustworthy, I am capable of discussing it further for terminology purposes

[restive geyser]

i am fairly certain this is a bastard sword, the finger rings here are actually rly cool

[remote fulcrum]

the hilt looks a bit short for a bastard sword, I don't know that you could get 2 hands on it comfortably

and it's worth remembering, almost all of these classifications are later inventions, and there were no universal names for these weapons at the time

[terse bronze]

it's a early form of rapier

spada da lato / side sword whatever you want to call it

[restive geyser]

https://www.youtube.com/shorts/qI07XjGEKuo?feature=share

[remote fulcrum]

the fact that the people in the image are all in civilian dress and carrying swords does suggest that these swords were of the everyday carry variety, like the espada ropera or sidesword which we see becoming popular in italy and spain in the late 15th century

[restive geyser]

I don't think your average civilian wore a kettle helm around town

[remote fulcrum]

I completely missed that the dude with the big booty had pauldrons on

[restive geyser]

this is just a religious painting i am pretty sure with at the time gear

[remote fulcrum]

I thought the kettle helm was just a dark colored hat, mb

[restive geyser]

and some older stuff too, i could be wrong but i think those shields and armor the man in red with the kettle is wearing was older(???)

[remote fulcrum]

it's a pretty eclectic mix of fashions and armor, looking closer at the garb

[terse bronze]

the fact that they're wearing clothes doesn't automatically mean they're [only] civilians

as in, how they're presented is very reminiscent soldiers or some kind of militia that just wore their everyday clothes, but with weapons. Maybe a skullcap here and there, some greaves maybe ect

[restive geyser]

A lot of Mercenaries didn't wear much armor either i am pretty sure

[terse bronze]

a lot of just people

[restive geyser]

the idea of wearing normal clothes in like

the military

is a tale as old as time

[remote fulcrum]

this dagger is intersting too, particularly being worn on the right hip rather than the left where it would be more accesible for your dominant hand

but you dont have the big quillons you'd expect from a parrying dagger

[restive geyser]

ima just say the obvious thing: we don't know what hand this man is dominate in.

but if we go off the art shown and assume his dominate hand is where the knife is located, he will pull the sword from his left side and be at ready. and the dagger be pulled from via the left hand as a parry dagger or offensive weapon, i mean thats just logical ngl

[remote fulcrum]

it would be odd for religious art in the 15th century to depict someone left handed

my overall point being, it doesn't seem to be a backup weapon, but rather used in the off hand

[restive geyser]

if his sword is on the left.. then his right would be the hand that pulls it

[remote fulcrum]

of course, I'm merely pointing out that the way the dagger is worn here tells you something about what the fighting style of the depicted weapons may have been like

[restive geyser]

I don't think the dagger really means anything to be honest

its just a knife

most soldiers carried one

[remote fulcrum]

not on its own, but it gives us some interesting context. If it were carried as a tool, you'd wear it on your left side where you can easily access it with your right hand

[terse bronze]

ok

[restive geyser]

some people carried sheathed swords around their groin

depictions of the swiss degen in art

show it being on the hip

or infront of the groin

i think the position of a weapon

really was just up whoever the hell used it

it was whatever was more convenient and comfortable

for the person using it

[prisma raven]

Italian Fanti et Provisionati

[restive geyser]

nice doublets here, holy

[prisma raven]

I love that they wear so little armor

[remote fulcrum]

I cant tell if his pants are pink or if he's just letting his ass hang out

[prisma raven]

pink hose

You can see the sewing lines

[terse bronze]

he's naked

go now and spread the rumor that medieval peasant warriors fought naked

[restive geyser]

Spreading diseases is there special move

[remote fulcrum]

it wouldn't be that weird, there are plenty of medieval depictions of people naked for one reason or another, though it'd be weird in a battle scene

[terse bronze]

"it wouldnt be that weird"

"though it'd be weird"

so true

[restive geyser]

aren't those just depictions of dead soldiers after like an execution and looting

[remote fulcrum]

I mean in other contexts, like feasts, games etc.

[terse bronze]

A carving of St George and the Dragon.
English, C.1475-1480

[remote fulcrum]

dropping trow to poop in a gutter wouldn't be that odd to see in most medieval scenes

[restive geyser]

that is a dope ass fucking statue

[terse bronze]

1470-1480 Germany - Das Buch Belial

Stuttgart Cod.theol.et phil.fol.195

[remote fulcrum]

I meant it wouldn't be weird in the wider medieval context, but in this context specifically it'd be a bit unusual

[restive geyser]

what kind of bevor is that?

with the one in the red doublet

[terse bronze]

just a bevor

seems a bit squarish

[restive geyser]

oh I am asking because it kind of looks like its rigid for more movement

[prisma raven]

that last guy is so cool

[terse bronze]

i love finger rings on swords graaaahhh

[restive geyser]

agreed

[restive geyser]

same brother, same

i pray it makes it into half sword

i will be the sacrifice to the volcano if it means finger rings

[remote fulcrum]

would willie even be able to make use of them?

[restive geyser]

...yeah...

[prisma raven]

Luca signorelli, madonna del latte e flagellazione (Detail), 1480-83

[remote fulcrum]

I genuinely didn't know, I don't know how complex the grip simulation is in the game

[restive geyser]

nice ass

Anyways, i see a finger ring. I approve of this manuscript

[prisma raven]

fresco

[remote fulcrum]

are these meant to be flagellants? pretty wimpy if so

the cords aren't even bloody

[prisma raven]

bro

[remote fulcrum]

the black death era flagellants were much more metal

[restive geyser]

rope, metal it doesn't matter

shit fucking hurts

[terse bronze]

i'm saving this

[restive geyser]

good to know i am not the only one who found this funny

[terse bronze]

saint michael depiction, northern italy ~41st millennium AD

[remote fulcrum]

the earlier flagellants were pretty extreme, most were heavily scarred or bloodied

[terse bronze]

that is not a medieval depiction

[restive geyser]

https://tenor.com/view/titus-warhammer-chad-space-marine-2-gif-10665446803840407692

[prisma raven]

https://tenor.com/view/twd-shane-head-rub-gif-3795134740713974200

[terse bronze]

https://tenor.com/view/sanguinius-sparkle-sanguinius-sparkle-blood-angels-warhammer-40k-gif-18368268199901595576

[remote fulcrum]

true, but this is, and we have some chronicular accounts that are pretty extreme

[terse bronze]

"burgundian" pollaxe

[restive geyser]

Is that the blood angels?!

[terse bronze]

sanguinius my beloved

[prisma raven]

sanguinius papa

[restive geyser]

https://tenor.com/view/smiling-friends-impact-frames-super-monkey-ball-monkey-ball-i-love-super-monkey-ball-gif-17660221876207034887

[terse bronze]

https://tenor.com/view/sanguinius-warhammer-40k-warhammer-blood-angels-40k-gif-14578352733475145328

[remote fulcrum]

this is probably the most brutal version

[remote fulcrum]

scourges might make a neat weapon for the lower ranks, not that effective but very painful

its certainly as plausible as a stool or candlestick

[restive geyser]

dumbest question of all time: But what would these banners usually be used for? Tournaments or military?

[terse bronze]

military

[restive geyser]

thanks

[terse bronze]

I mean i guess since some of these are noble's CoA that would be used during tourney but that's all about war standards

[restive geyser]

these are actually rly interesting, ima save these and use them for the EA when custom heraldry is there

[remote fulcrum]

you might also bring them to the melee

at a tournament

[terse bronze]

[remote fulcrum]

you and your retinue come out with your banner, at least initially, parades were a part of a lot of tournaments

[terse bronze]

we need more pollaxes bro

[restive geyser]

isn't this in game?

[terse bronze]

idc we need more

[prisma raven]

This isn't a pole"axe" pal

[terse bronze]

i kill you

[restive geyser]

polehammer 🔥 🔥 🔥

i don't think that hammer head is in the game doe

[terse bronze]

ermmmgmgmhmm aschthually its a "becky the corbein" or "lucerne hammer"

https://tenor.com/view/syndrome-tuff-internet-supervillain-tuff-gentleman-redditor-gif-17379150560306107376

[restive geyser]

Stone this man

https://tenor.com/view/the-hub-gif-21010881

honestly now that i think about it, i think this game only has two hammer heads

[terse bronze]

imagine this degree of pollaxe customization yo

[restive geyser]

the fucking weapon would be legitimately the coolest shit ever

someone make this an suggestion

[prisma raven]

1477 Germany, Heidelberg, Cod. Pal. germ. 16

Ms. germ. fol. 855
Hundeshagener Handschrift, Staatsbibliothek Berlin, Ostschwaben um 1440

[restive geyser]

is that scale armor?

[vocal vale]

no

[prisma raven]

mail shirt

mail corset?

[restive geyser]

the art kind of makes it look like scale, i was about to say why is there scale in late 15th century

[restive geyser]

Plume and orle sallet, i love that shit

[prisma raven]

love this ms

[restive geyser]

hmm, this artist has quite the love for sallets with those little rivets, and KETTLE ORLE?!!?!?

I love kettles with orles, so much 😭

shit looks so fucking clean

[prisma raven]

fr

[restive geyser]

Kettles with orles was shown in the helmet cosmetics video for half sword

its shit that i am hyped for

[prisma raven]

PAOLO UCCELLO
Miracolo dell'Ostia profanata (dett.)
1467-1468
Galleria Nazionale delle Marche, Palazzo Ducale di Urbino (PU)
Appartamento del Duca, Sala degli Angeli

Vitoria - Diocise Museum
Fragments of the San Cristobal polyptych
Mid 15th century
Parish of San Cristobal, Heredia

[void stream]

wrong channel fella

[coral path]

Wtf is this

[sonic glacier]

wait what's the right channel i thought this was just for media

[fleet junco]

#memes-🤣

or level up to level 3 to post in chat channels

[sonic glacier]

ah damn im not allowed to send messages there

i'll delete that though my bad i just thought it was funny cause hes moving like the guys in the game

[coral path]

Same guy i posted a while ago

Ca. 1470

[prisma raven]

banger

[fleet junco]

why did they do that to the children

[prisma raven]

it's the Massacre of the Innocents

[mighty needle]

and that is why

[prisma raven]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Massacre_of_the_Innocents

[coral path]

Lot of depictions of this

[silver heart]

indeed there is. here’s the one on display at the detroit institute of art that i saw.

[coral path]

So insane

Pretty sickening

Very early 14th century (not 1450-1470)

Ca.1480

[fleet junco]

very pointy tassets

also can we stop with thw baby killing for a bit

very disturbing

[coral path]

Yeah check this out

[coral path]

New mull drawing is based off this I think

She has such a nice kit 💯

Awesome gauntlets too

[knotty siren]

I LOVE THIS NEW GAMEMODE! 😄

[coral path]

Hoping for all'antica stuff for hs too (not too much)

[knotty siren]

this so funny

in carnage I get all my op weapons

PEAK GAMEMODE!

[coral path]

❓

This channel is for historical stuff

[knotty siren]

oh

I couldent take pictures anyway else

It didint let me

[coral path]

Just talk until you become level three in general chat

Literally just yap a bunch

[knotty siren]

oh

ok

lol

[vocal vale]

is this not just a capwell illustration

[coral path]

No lmao what i sent above it is what im guessing its based off of

[vocal vale]

Misleading. WARNING 1.

[coral path]

Mb

Nooooooo

[vocal vale]

that’s what’s-his-name’s harness

[coral path]

Idk its based off an effigy I think

[vocal vale]

you’re correct

beauchamp

[coral path]

Found this in the new art

Hoping for some germanic jacks ❤️‍🔥

And that military fork

[remote fulcrum]

This is why we armor our backs

[coral path]

I really hope for Armatura Alla 'Francese armour in this game

🙏

[steep yoke]

ugh that would hurt so bad

[void stream]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-meme-gif-14922675818058709477

[steep yoke]

it always tickles me when people romanticize the medieval era like bro it sucked

You either died at birth, from disease, an army or turning 35

Like no thanks

[coral path]

They were some tough times 100%

[steep yoke]

fr

[fleet junco]

maybe i couldve been born as a bastard son blacksmith

[coral path]

Look at these happy people from the early 14th century!! 😍

[void stream]

references?????

https://tenor.com/view/henry-of-skalitz-kcd-kingdom-come-deliverance-gif-14042213953607243455

[coral path]

Samuel

[remote fulcrum]

There were old men in the medieval period. The thing that is terrifying to us moderns is the chaos

The world is not well understood, operating on rational abstract principles but rather a dark chaotic place of chaos and caprice

God can kill your whole village with a freak hailstorm, you can't do anything about it

[fathom mulch]

I can hear Caseoh screaming already.

[chrome rover]

Would really like to see some Halberds with a more properly shaped head constructed out of one piece. (images are time appropriate)

[steep yoke]

why does that helmet look like Charlie from smiling friends 💔

[coral path]

https://tenor.com/view/smiling-friends-charlie-feeling-evil-plan-masterplan-gif-120341860965623954

[empty herald]

Im really wondering where to find accurate references for modeling 3D armor, weapons and such (from late middle ages), but i just cant seem to find anything right, do you guys have any idea?

[terse bronze]

List of Museum's collections

The Metropolitan Museum of Art
https://www.metmuseum.org/art/collection/search
Extremely rich collection, sometimes with specs of objects. Often with notices which can give interesting info.

Royal Armouries
https://royalarmouries.org/collection/
Humble-sized but nice collection and notices, often with specs, generally proper physical descriptions of items

Les Invalides
https://basedescollections.musee-armee.fr/
Paris' Army museum. Only a ridiculous part of the collection but extremely well documented. For getting every single bit of info on a piece, with beautiful pictures. Unfortunately not translated yet

Wallace Collection
https://wallacelive.wallacecollection.org/eMP/eMuseumPlus
Specs, descriptions, Tobby, maille shirts, but lacks pics

Kunsthistoriches Museum
https://www.khm.at/objektdb/?id=11227&fq[facet_department][]=Hofjagd-+und+Rüstkammer
Vienna's beautiful imperial pieces but a lack of pictures

Nürnberg
http://objektkatalog.gnm.de/recherche
Lots of items, v good recent updates

Dresden Staatliche Kunstsammlungen
https://skd-online-collection.skd.museum/Home/Index?page=1&sId=12
Saxony was a major power in its time. Great site though German only

Cleveland Museum of Art
http://www.clevelandart.org/art/collection/search?search=armor&only-images=1&limit=144
Too many things for the search engine, but it works

Royal Ontario Museum
https://collections.rom.on.ca/?_ga=2.13071223.1134562216.1567696591-1105916525.1560198023
Good search engine some unique items

Philadelphia Museum of Art
https://www.philamuseum.org/collections/search.html
Good items

Victoria&Albert
http://collections.vam.ac.uk/search/
Artefacts esp. books

Chicago MoA
https://www.artic.edu/collection?q=armor
Some unique items, quality but few pics

Livrustkammaren
http://emuseumplus.lsh.se/eMuseumPlus
Lots of items but poor search engine (search in Swedish)

https://ca.pinterest.com/tbiliter/
https://ca.pinterest.com/macs_shop/

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https://manuscriptminiatures.com/
https://effigiesandbrasses.com/
https://armourinart.com/

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Roel's albums: https://www.flickr.com/photos/roelipilami/albums/

Musée de l'Armée , Paris : https://www.flickr.com/photos/98015679@N04/albums/72157634746853426/page1

[empty herald]

That looks promising, thanks alot

[coral path]

Just gonna repost this cuz its cool

Really good examples of English armor imo

Also here's some cool crests:

These dope gauntlets

[slate mulch]

ew

[terse bronze]

?

[coral path]

Wtf

[terse bronze]

also did you see that one video of matt easton with tobias capwell where he says that this harness if pretty funny because it's the how the italian perceive/reproduce the french style of the time

so it's not 100% french style ofc but an imitation made by italians

[slate mulch]

ugly ass shoes and that helmet is hideous

[terse bronze]

aren't you one of those gothicaboos that only love german armor

[slate mulch]

no-

[terse bronze]

Also the sabatons aren't mounted correctly btw

[thorny otter]

Crests you say?

[steep yoke]

"yo bro check out my new helmet ornament, its a bird hand holding a golden ball"

[coral path]

https://www.youtube.com/shorts/3M-0TH_rwoU

[coral path]

I think its dope af

its similar to Alla Tedesca with Italians imitating German style armor

[coral path]

are you shaming the great bascinet...?

[slate mulch]

that one yea

its ugly

[silver grotto]

I like great bascinets, but I hope that if they were to add one in the game it would be a different one

Even though it's pretty much the best extant one we have

[coral path]

wtf is wrong with this bascinet?

[silver grotto]

For me personally, nothing's wrong with it, I just feel like I've seen it too much

[coral path]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1082232813698424884/1127583984654753872/BB.gif

raising visors

[terse bronze]

ion even care brah das me

[coral path]

so cool

def looks early imo

Tobias Capwell has that on 🔥

[steep yoke]

God damn that's smooth asf

Would almost be a shame to ruin it in combat

[coral path]

nice alla antica armor in last one

[terse bronze]

fr

this one is the coolest i've seen tbh

[coral path]

same

[steep yoke]

That is rad as fuck

Is that historical because it straight looks fantastical

[steep yoke]

Drippiest mf of all time

[terse bronze]

it's fantastical BUT made by people from thye period

all'antica / heroic

[steep yoke]

It looks dope fa

[terse bronze]

this specific torso armor is directly based on this saint's armor (Saint Maurice et Jean de La Barre - circa 1495-1496, by jean Hey)

[steep yoke]

*fs

[terse bronze]

*ff

[fleet junco]

not 1450s

what is that on his head

[coral path]

All'antica

[steep yoke]

bro the drip is unreal

[robust tendon]

gilded plate repro in the last pic
wonder how much that shit cost

[coral path]

Idk but it looks badass

[robust tendon]

yeah u dont see it too much beyond partial gilding like poleyns/couters/whatever else

on repros anyway

[steep yoke]

do you guys fw any dark souls armor

[coral path]

No

Too impractical for my taste

[steep yoke]

may I show you some?

[coral path]

Yeah go ahead

[steep yoke]

This is prolly my fav in the game

[coral path]

Looks better than most fantasy armor i must admit

[steep yoke]

ds does a decent job at it most of the tome

*time

This one isn't that egregious either

[coral path]

Yeah I like the other one a lot better. (Im gonna say it, this one sucks)

[steep yoke]

that's fair lol

What about this one

[coral path]

Its alright ig.

Its mid af

[steep yoke]

And last one

[coral path]

I really don't like this one

[steep yoke]

1/5

[slate mulch]

fat

fatty

point and laugh

[steep yoke]

you in a mirror

[sullen charm]

Anyone have peasant facts for the timeframe

[terse bronze]

Sometimes they were bald but not always

[sullen charm]

Really?

[terse bronze]

Yeah

[sullen charm]

That's great news... because it means my head is already historically accurate...

[coral path]

[coral path]

Is this all'antica you think?

[lone osprey]

The Caesar tapestries have some fantasy looking armour but a brig with spaulders doesnt look like that to me lol

[restive geyser]

honestly, i think Diablo funny enough has some fairly accurate armor

NOT THE RARE ARMOR

[restive geyser]

What if he just has big shoulders??????? (tis is a joke)

[lone osprey]

tbh his shoulders do look enormous

[restive geyser]

Honestly the shoulders give me like

doublet vibes

despite it not being one

[restive geyser]

mmmmm... Sallet with rondel

wait, how much fucking rondels are there in this manuscript

[prisma raven]

Many

https://gallica.bnf.fr/ark:/12148/btv1b10538041t/f637.planchecontact

[vocal vale]

5 goes so hard

[restive geyser]

A Bycocket hat and kettle with a crown is the toughest shit I've ever seen in my life wtf

Mf was giving him keys to his entire life savings and retirement home because that drip was too crazy

[coral path]

Gonna repost something different