references♥_1450-1470

[terse sorrel]

Oh! I didn't know we had those, I think I will.

For the most part what'd fit closest is a little later in the 17th century, I hope that's alright.

[vocal vale]

yeah that's alright

[next orchid]

is it not just a repro?

[lone osprey]

I think they sometimes make repros that they put beside their originals?
https://royalarmouries.org/collection/object/object-478

[next orchid]

wait is the one on the right the extant

damn

so they did repair it

why would they do that

[terse sorrel]

Do they? I remember they had a little section of a bunch of shitty 19th c. repros, so they stick more convincing ones in the actual exhibits?

[next orchid]

im so confused now

[terse sorrel]

What were you saying in the first place?

[lone osprey]

their images are legit confusing
I would appreciate clearer labels on them, sometimes there are just other objects all together thrown in for comparison

[terse sorrel]

I thought it was a great experience with a bunch of really cool demonstrations, anyway.

Got to hold a bunch of WWI weapons.

[lone osprey]

the one Kevlar posted is in a French museum though I think and not the Royal Armouries one

[next orchid]

oh

im still so confused lmao

[next orchid]

genuinely

average british museum (it just sucks)

[terse sorrel]

I'm going to France in a few days, I'll see more stuff there.

[terse bronze]

it was in the Montpellier Museum but apparently not anymore

[terse sorrel]

I've been in England for a while.

[terse bronze]

And is now apparently located in [REDACTED]

[lone osprey]

Bollock dagger
1449 Conraid Laib - Hl. Hermes
1457 Conrad Laib - Kreuzigung mit (im) Gedräng
1460-70 Grabmal des Oswald von Säben
1470-80 Kreuztragung Christi

15th century Dolch, sog. Gnadgott [Dagger, Misericordia]

15th century Dolch mit Scheide und Beimesser (niederländisch)

1475-1524 Twee dolken

[minor forum]

arquebus when?

[vocal vale]

thank you for your contribution

[vocal vale]

#1287593473217790034

[spice obsidian]

Woops mb

[void stream]

ca. 1474-79 - 'Beheading of St. John the Baptist' (Hans Memling), Memlingmuseum, Brugge

1462-1468, Guglielmo del Monaco

[void stream]

Brigandine yay!

[vivid solar]

Today is the anniversary of the Battle of Northampton, fought on 10th July 1460.

In my painting LOYAL SUBJECTS, Edward, Earl of March, kneels before Henry VI and proclaims his loyalty, having defeated the royal army at Northampton on 10th July 1460. The earl of Warwick and Yorkist troops look on, while one of the guns that failed to fire in the rain stands impotently in the foreground.
-_ _ Graham Turner

[fleet junco]

there is a guy laying on the ground

[vivid solar]

I don't think he's still with us 💔

[white fulcrum]

he's just taking a nap dw

[wind prism]

Just a little eepy

[lone osprey]

dragon crest

[void stream]

now that is pretty ornament

[terse bronze]

dah bat crest

[idle steeple]

Gobelin Gambeson

[silver heart]

bro looks like jorah mormont

[weak halo]

Love the textile, not sure about the shape though

[lone osprey]

Les prophéties messianiques sur la conquête de la Ville sainte et sur la monarchie universelle, introduites en Espagne par les franciscains imprégnés de joachimisme à la fin du XIIIème siècle, furent reprises à son compte par la dynastie aragonaise. Ce sont ces textes prophétiques qui appliquent l'image de la chauve-souris au 'roi des derniers jours' conquérant de Jérusalem. Il y a, dans le nom latin de la chauve-souris - vespertilio - , le mot vesper qui signifie étoiles du soir, et les sarrasins redoutaient depuis la fin du XIIème siècle une croisade menée par une 'étoile du Couchant', autrement dit par un souverain occidental (D. Cordellier, Cat. exp. Pisanello, Le peintre aux sept vertus, Paris, Musée du Louvre, 1996, cat. 301).

The messianic prophecies about the conquest of the Holy City and the universal monarchy, introduced into Spain by the Franciscans imbued with Joachimism at the end of the 13th century, were taken up by the Aragonese dynasty. It is these prophetic texts that apply the image of the bat to the 'king of the last days' conqueror of Jerusalem. There is, in the Latin name of the bat - vespertilio -, the word vesper which means evening star, and the Saracens had feared since the end of the 12th century a crusade led by a 'star of the Setting Sun', in other words by a Western sovereign (D. Cordellier, Cat. exp. Pisanello, Le peintre aux sept vertus, Paris, Musée du Louvre, 1996, cat. 301).

[lusty plinth]

BRASILEIRP

[fleet junco]

@short ice remove

[short ice]

executed

[vivid solar]

Holy drip

[fleet junco]

tonlet

[idle steeple]

Gobelin Arming Doublet

[deep roost]

Very good

[runic holly]

Graham Turner painted something relationated with spain?

[modern tree]

if the developer adds a long story with an interesting plot, it will be very cool

And if the dev added something like countries into the game — like Japan, the UK, and stuff like that — where you choose which one you play as, and each country has its own unique weapons, armor, and fighting style. For example, the UK could have heavier weapons, regular fighting styles, and swords, while Japan could have armor that looks like it's from before the 1900s, with katanas and all that, and a more precise and fast fighting style.

Japan/Russian armor style.

[modern tree]

Why not:(

[thick grail]

The game is explicitly set in Western and central Europe during the later half of the 15th century so Japan falls outside the historical period being portrayed

[terse bronze]

Slop

[idle steeple]

why

[terse bronze]

it's trying so hard to be a late 14thc doublet (1300s) but fails to capture the shape and cut

[idle steeple]

ok

[vivid solar]

Uhh probably

Medieval or in general?

[fleet junco]

the uk

[modern tree]

🔥

[fleet junco]

maybe the uk, the game takes place in germany so like

[modern tree]

is half sword all thing is germany?

[fleet junco]

nah

[night kindle]

the hunk

[runic holly]

medieval

[runic holly]

Convert Half sword in a game with factions and HABILITIES instead the a extremely accurate medieval duels with a lot of gore?

Sounds very generic....

[modern tree]

You're right

Sorry about that

[runic holly]

like is a nice idea, but its too far of the concept of Half Sword

[vivid solar]

What we have is a demo and the devs said we have only seen like 5% or less of the game

[runic holly]

no shit

[vivid solar]

The entire game can't be strictly dueling

[vivid solar]

I don't think so

[runic holly]

Yea but the game could support a bigger battle?

[vivid solar]

Only thing I found was a painting of the Earl of Warwick leading ships to intercept the Spanish, but doesn't show anything spanish in it

[vivid solar]

Maybe

They said TABS was one of their inspos

[runic holly]

damn

[short ice]

With unreal engine it's not easy, I don't know the intricate processes behind it, but I do know it takes time and optimization, generally. Some AAA companies using Unreal Engine have had tendencies of releasing the full game in an unplayable state for some— that's ideally what they want to avoid

[runic holly]

Interesting

Also i tried do a bigger burnout putting more willies

[short ice]

Yeah it starts to get clunky quickly when spawning in willies with mods haha

[runic holly]

Isnt the same when the game spawns Willies?

[short ice]

With mods, you can spawn things, like Willie

[runic holly]

Ik

But you said "with mods"

So if the game spawn them could be different?

[short ice]

Honestly I have no idea personally— I'm not that smart when it comes to game development and modding

[runic holly]

Me too

[short ice]

I'm sure the developers are working on a ton of in house solutions

[runic holly]

Probaly

If they want do HS bigger is necesary

[vivid solar]

Graham Turner armor sketches

1 - 1470
2 - 1460

[terse sorrel]

Oh, those are fantastic.

[vivid solar]

His art always is

[vivid solar]

He has a lot of other armour sketches but most of em fall out of this 30 year range afaik

[verbal bramble]

It falls out of the time range (1450-1470, give or take a couple of years), and the region range (Europe, from Spain to uh... I actually don't know if Eastern Europe is included, but I don't see why it wouldn't be).

I don't think the UK as we know it existed in the 15th Century, but I could be wrong about that. What did exist is England and Scotland, and we have some English stuff in the game but no Scottish stuff. Give it time to develop, and we will see more English and Scottish stuff.

[trail plover]

for honor

i believe you may just want for honor

[ancient pivot]

seems it doesn't go too far east, Hungary is the limit and that's only sort of

[verbal bramble]

Aw... That means we won't see Vallachian arms and armor, which I feel is a bit of a shame

[ancient pivot]

is a shame but they need to keep a realistic scope for development, they can't make everything

[verbal bramble]

Yeah, that is understandable

[vivid solar]

Battle of Tewksbury 1472 reenactment that took place this weekend (not my photos)

[void stream]

what kind of bascinet is this lol?

And I'm almost certain that the sallet in the last image is a 16th-century sallet.

Mscr.Dresd.M.201
Dating: 1472

[void stream]

The tomb of György Szentgyörgyi (1467), Hungarian National Gallery in Budapest

[bright token]

What’s the 2 holes on the cuirass’s left for? I know the one on its right is for attaching lance rest

[fleet junco]

he got shot

[lone osprey]

If the holes are authentic its possible the breastplate was also made to be compatible with tournament equipment and might be where a targe could be mounted

https://royalarmouries.org/collection/object/object-17485

[bright token]

Ooo i see thank you rudiblock

[fleet junco]

if it werent authentic we can assume the wearer was shot and killed

[lone osprey]

just noticed this fella might even be using something mounted on his breastplate to hang his weapon off of?

so perhaps it's that instead

but based on the style of the breastplate it looks like it's from a couple decades later and adapting it for tournament use seems less exotic to me ¯_(ツ)_/¯

[void stream]

Incredibly, I haven't found any source that shows this tomb is dated from 1470 onwards and all the ones I found had the same dates so I don't think it was created a few centuries later.

[chrome rover]

🇨🇭 Anyone here got any sources describing the 1527 last stand of the swiss guard outside of St. Peters Bascilica? I know it isnt time appropriate, but to me this is the best place to ask. 🇨🇭

for context im planning on drawing a battle "painting" and want it to be accurate

[terse sorrel]

https://discord.com/channels/1043854763189600337/1287593500208005200

[verbal bramble]

Sadly, we don't have that here, it falls out of the scope of the time period... But regardless of that, someone might have something, best of luck.

[next orchid]

could also be missing rivets for repairs

(not the most likely explanation though due to the lack of visible damage, but only thing i could come up with lol)

[fleet junco]

what does middle to late 15th century french armor look like

what defines french armor

[latent drift]

made in france or somthin

[terse bronze]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GXTE8crvHoU

this video doesn't cover everything but it's still pretty good

Only think i'm not 100% convinced about is when dr capwell talk about the besagews and he says they're shaped like this to make them look like adargas

except adargas don't really have flat bases? at least never seen any myself

the shape itself reminds me more about the Commandments Tablets or a Diptych

But on the other hand, adarga besagews is a pretty sexy concept and I can see the resemblance, I just need more "proof" maybe

[lone osprey]

i hope you get to the bottom of this now i want to know what people really called them

i know those are a different shape but similar type and i would like to know their real name in general

[vocal vale]

generally there's a prevalence of italianate design choices but with a bit more fluting, onion shaped sallets, brigandines, brigandine spaulders

also from what i've read there's more floating pieces than italian norm but definitely not used as much as in german speaking areas, it's just an additional thing to consider

[blazing moon]

Vlad Tepes??!?!?!

[verbal bramble]

Yep! That is exactly why I was interested on seeing them in HS

[blazing moon]

would be cool

you romanian?

[verbal bramble]

Nope, spaniard, but Vlad still interested me

[blazing moon]

maybe like a shield that has the walalchian flag or heraldry

[blazing moon]

sick, im romanian

[void stream]

latrine🔥🔥

[vagrant ridge]

dear people of halfsword

[terse bronze]

Hello

[vagrant ridge]

i need a documentation about a bit more modern sword, idk where to ask so maybe I'll ask here

so uh
i recently got this dutch m.1876 sabre, but i can't get detailed info on this

[vagrant ridge]

not really 15th century

[icy cloak]

Fair enough. Portugal has always been cooler in my opinion, as a spanish person myself

[void stream]

Die Georgslegende (1465-70)

[verbal bramble]

Spain and Portugal, as we know them, didn't exist in the 15th Century (it was just the Iberian peninsula), and both were very close to eachother, so I would say the Pastrana Tapestries also apply to spanish arms and armor

[tacit shadow]

I NEED me one of these bad boys

[fleet junco]

guisame

[void stream]

Everyone wants

[next orchid]

they actually dont really apply to any armor since its flemish attempting to portray iberian armor

hence the adargas are kinda fucked up lol

and it has lots of flemingisms

[humble pagoda]

What type of helm is this?

[glad sierra]

its a sword

[vagrant ridge]

yeah

[ancient pivot]

looks like a bicoque, never seen one with the style of visor before though, looks cool

[vocal vale]

early close helm

the term “bicoque” is what a lot of people know 15th century close helms by but in the one source it appears “bicoque” is something more like a barbute, some interpret it as an armet

[verbal bramble]

Oh, then what would be a good depiction of Iberian armor, if the Pastrana Tapestries are out?

[lone osprey]

respectfully disagree with this
the consensus is that it was likely a commission by Alfonso V of Portugal and art historians then point to Nuno Goncalves, his court painter, as the likely artist to produce at least the model if not the cartoon itself that the weavers in flanders
is there good evidence to assume that just because it was woven in the netherlands that it wasn't based on designs sent from portugal?

the flemish and portugese would have had a lot of cross cultural contact anyway given isabella of portugal was married to philip of burgundy. so armour import isn't out of the question

[lone osprey]

it may even depict this particular kind of portugese dagger pommel found in the St Vincent panels. all their daggers are tucked into belts in the pastrana tapestries too among other similarities https://g.co/arts/qeR4ANv2SfLsu3GA8

[lone osprey]

lace fastened brigandines, gold trimmed mail skirts, those rods around the neck armour (st vincents) with similar rods protecting the back of the mail neck armour (pastrana)

then there is also the fact that the man who's believed to be King Duarte behind Alfonso in the St Vincent panels wears a black chaperon like Alfonso is later depicted in suggesting pretty clear influence from burgundian fashion. why should it be limited to clothing and not armour?

not even mentioning the swords, all of the completely regular depictions of adargas throughout the tapestries, and probably portrait models used to depict alfonso and his son in the tapestries which its hard to maintain were just improvised

[next orchid]

it doesnt matter if it was based on designs from portugal quite frankly. any details worth analyzing are lost. the only things you can take at face value are the broad strokes, which then isnt really about arms and armor design but about arms and armor in general. and the adargas are fucked up, with all looking like long escus and a good few having center bosses.

[fleet junco]

bicque

[latent drift]

does anybody got some illustrations of close helms

[robust tendon]

.

close helm (albeit an early form that is quite different in style to later forms of the close helm)

forget which MS this is

whole lotta close helms

[vocal vale]

15thc?

[latent drift]

indeed

[silver heart]

the back hander

[fleet junco]

he looks so happy

[vivid solar]

Literally me in game

[bright token]

Cool sallet with eye slot. Or is it kettle hat? Idk, but it looks really sweet

[fleet junco]

the eisenhut

[latent drift]

thank ur

[vocal vale]

notice how some of them have grand bascinet type profiles and some of them end shorter with gorgets instead

[latent drift]

indeed

[vivid solar]

What happened to that poor man's wrist in the third pic 😭

So weird contrasting the hyper realistic rendering with the period figure style

[fleet junco]

thats just the gauntlet

[void stream]

luv it

[vivid solar]

Snapped wrist

[silver heart]

they weren’t the best at painting hands

[vivid solar]

Why I said this

Like I can pass it with the flat rendering, but this piece had hyper realistic rendering plus that old style which threw me off

[fleet junco]

ohhhhh

[next orchid]

Average fucking Flemish artist bro

Or German actually

Same thing tbh

[fleet junco]

average artist

[cold yew]

How is other side of the world during 1450-1470

[vivid solar]

What did you think I meant?

[vivid solar]

What 😭

[night kindle]

hmong’s honest reaction

[latent drift]

do you guys have a idea of where this helmet is from

[void stream]

Germany

[latent drift]

thank u

[ebon wigeon]

Why does it look like that

Like

HOW am i gonna even see with that iron on

😭

[fleet junco]

cyclop

[haughty creek]

With your eyes

[terse bronze]

This might be a 19thc fake

but such helmets (real counterpart) show up in germany, austria, switzerland, flanders, france

maybe england too? not 100% sure

[latent drift]

i was wondering because i saw somthing saying it might have been a fake so thats why i was asking u guys

[vocal vale]

from the Goll thesis

[latent drift]

i see thank you

[runic holly]

damn

you have something relationated with armor in arms?

[vocal vale]

i am a hobbyist

[runic holly]

me too in other history parts

[fast niche]

so are we not gonna get hounskulls or grand bascinets in half sword? :(

[fast pagoda]

No

Grand bassinet is possible at least but not hounskull

[fast niche]

FUCK

:(

ig grand bassinet is cool

close enouhj

[vivid solar]

Is a grand bascinet the same as a great bascinet?

[terse bronze]

yes

one is in french and the other english

[fleet junco]

amazing

[tawdry ermine]

same 😂

[latent drift]

does anybody have some good reference images for 15th century kettle helmets

preferably german

[gritty grove]

Hey guys i have a question, the Hounskull is from west europe Or eastern europe?

[magic furnace]

there is a mix between a sallet an a kettle hat in 1460

[latent drift]

thank u

[magic furnace]

and then there is something like this....

[magic furnace]

no problem

[vocal vale]

west

[gritty grove]

Thxxx, I can finally finish my draw

Have a good day

[dusty orbit]

why even have it be visored at that point

why not just have a completely open faced helm

seems like you're losing a lot of visibility for not much protection

[fleet junco]

arrow

[dusty orbit]

i guess if you faced down it would protect you from arrows coming from above true

[lone topaz]

if you need visibility you just tilt the helmet upward

and you essentially have a normal kettle helmet

[dusty orbit]

that makes sense

[fleet junco]

this doesnt look like the 1450s

[silent ledge]

Flap glropo

[vivid solar]

Who drew this

[void stream]

Just a little out of the time period where Half Sword takes place, like 200 years ago.

[chrome folio]

if you want full chainmail armor and stuff go too kinstrifes discord

how are you supposed too look through this goofy ass visor

[terse bronze]

how is it hard to understand

wear a hat, look up, you should see the brim

now make cut outs in the brim

look up again

[terse bronze]

post it even smaller next time

https://www.deviantart.com/wraithdt/art/Battle-of-Halmyros-278813212 here's the source of the drawing

[magic furnace]

yeah but what are you willing to lose more: your life or a bit of your visibility and you can combinate it with that thing idk what it is called in english

[terse bronze]

It's called a bevor

[magic furnace]

ty

[terse bronze]

Also just for information, the overwhelming majority of fighters in human warfare history fought without (or very minimal) face protection

For a reason

[dusty orbit]

well a lack of visibility can cause you to lose your life

and yeah the vast majority of helms used throughout history are open faced

[magic furnace]

I have a few historically accurate helmets and I can say the closer your eyes are to the eye slit the more you can see

[dusty orbit]

no i understand that the visibility isn't as bad as it might look

but the loss in peripheral vision on the battlefield can be fatal

[magic furnace]

yeah thats right, thats why everyone should use a Helmet hes the most comfortble with

[dusty orbit]

i guess if you're fighting in formation peripheral vision doesn't matter so much

[runic holly]

tf is that

[chrome folio]

a kettle helm

[runic holly]

looks rare

[chrome folio]

yep

[terse bronze]

Quite literally what they wrote in the 1471 burgundian ordonnance

paraphrasing but basically saying that pikemen should be dress like this and that but they shall wear the helmet they see fit

[vivid solar]

The Battle of Edgcote, fought this day, 24th July 1469.

By Graham Turner

[fast pagoda]

Hahah his bollocks dagger is small

[terse bronze]

It's average actually

[marsh bronze]

average

[lone osprey]

Not the four toed jesus

[fleet junco]

artist

[fiery sinew]

edge-cote

[vivid solar]

It's Edgcote

[fiery sinew]

edging-cote

[silver heart]

but here’s the prayer

[fleet junco]

hes gonna die

[sullen charm]

1450 drip?

you lack the fitting footwear to duel me peasant!

[fleet junco]

nobles also wore plain shoes

[sullen charm]

i mean, tbf farquaad had swaggers as well even if it didnt have jewels

[rancid marsh]

ye olde niketh airs

[sullen charm]

Thou behold ye oldest michaelus jordaneths

[rancid marsh]

hear ye, i do believe tis hedgeborn possesses untrue jordaneths

[sullen charm]

One only boasts of the holdings of the forboden fashionista

[silver heart]

i think he might just get a lil scratch

[humble pagoda]

Anyone know where this photo comes from?

I've been trying to put it into my archive but I have no source or name on it.

[terse bronze]

I know for sure that this set up is completely made up

and that this cuirass is a kastenbrust that is in the glasgow museum iicr

[humble pagoda]

Ah ok, I had a feeling something was off.

I believe this is the cuirass, yes?

[terse bronze]

yur

cuirass + backplate in this case

[magic furnace]

wouldnt a Kastenbrust be more boxshaped?

[terse bronze]

there's multiple sorts of kastenbrusts

can also be called early gothic!

the image you posted is an anachronism from the 16thc btw

[magic furnace]

ik but i never saw a kastenbrust this round

[terse bronze]

well now you have

[magic furnace]

ik but i didnt found a better historical picture

heres one from a really good reenactment group from france

[terse bronze]

Yeah

latest photo

[silver heart]

HOLY FUCJ THATS HOT

don’t often see grand bascinets of that sort

mmmmm and those faulds

[magic furnace]

they are pretty rare to get these days

[terse bronze]

(dr. Nicolas Philippe Baptiste, https://www.facebook.com/artemismercurius)

[silver heart]

OHHH HE KETLLING IT UP

[terse bronze]

faulds = maille skirt

Nerd

stab

[magic furnace]

and why is no one talking abt why this helmet looks like these little birds from the side view

[terse bronze]

tbh the french vocabulary is pretty bird focused when talking about arms and armor

[magic furnace]

oh thats interessting

didnt knew that

[terse bronze]

We might already know about the bec de faucon (or corbin but faucon is better and cooler and awesomer)

[magic furnace]

ok this one i knew before (i did order one 2 days ago)

[terse bronze]

And "hounskull" is nowadays known as bassinet à bec de passereau (= sparrow's beak) however I don't recall period examples of this naming

i'll have to double check

[terse bronze]

well so faucon = falcon (& corbin = old fashion way of saying crow)

[magic furnace]

buyed that one

[silver heart]

faulds = i’m gonna touch you

[fleet junco]

no touching

[terse bronze]

1479, Germany, Darmstadt ULB Res.Publ. Unit 74.

https://tudigit.ulb.tu-darmstadt.de/trefferliste/detailseite?tx_dlf[id]=14661&tx_dlf[page]=142&cHash=6d024b65424bb5e26f7cac795cdfc22d

[silver heart]

vro in the middle is a freak

[fleet junco]

thats mopsenfiedler

[silent ledge]

The plate gets a little pinch for good luck

[sullen charm]

he looking STONED

[lost pawn]

https://tenor.com/view/waiting-finger-tapping-twin-peaks-wait-gif-12711737

[wind widget]

https://tenor.com/view/benjammins-you-got-me-you-caught-me-hands-up-hands-in-the-air-gif-9817580270825243024

[void stream]

Aw man not this guy here

https://tenor.com/view/die-spongebob-meme-gif-754776035690869996

[fast niche]

What time period is this helmet from?

[vocal vale]

it’s a buhurtslop 14th century bascinet with klappvisor

[humble pagoda]

Does anyone know why the shoulder armor has that design?

[fast niche]

dammit so too early :(

[fleet junco]

buhurtslop

[fleet junco]

cheap

probably

[humble pagoda]

What do you mean?

[haughty creek]

Cheap helmet with minimal shaping intended for the sport Buhurt

Real Bascinets have a much more nuanced shape

Oh, sorry, just realized you weren’t the guy who posted the buhurt slop

[lucid briar]

for the first spaulders they seem like early burgundian armor/ alla tedesca

[terse bronze]

Not Burgundian or alla tedesca

This is just all'antica, mimicking roman pteryges

Alla tedesca means in the german manner

[lucid briar]

was searching for that term lmao

[humble pagoda]

Where do I learn more about stuff like that?

[terse bronze]

Idk

[humble pagoda]

So there's nowhere I can learn as much as you know?

[terse bronze]

There's plenty of places but that's the thing, there's a LOT of places

Youtube videos, articles, books, discussion with more knowledgeable people, reading up period sources ect

There's several videos, including multiple lectures by Tobias Capwell on YouTube for instance, go and watch them

[weak halo]

I don't want to defend buhurt helmets but there are klappvisors that are fairly undeveloped in terms of shaping

Void chest of one lucky Willie

[frozen quartz]

beautiful armor

[scenic breach]

Holy

[silver heart]

the kind of rich i strive for

[weak halo]

Same

[vivid solar]

What's up with the box breastplate

[terse bronze]

wdym

[weak halo]

It's sexy

Iirc the context for the picture is a bunch of work the armorer made that is all within the 15th century

[fleet junco]

kastenbrust

[vivid solar]

Like why was that a thing? Seems like it would catch a lot of strikes

Looks impractical

[terse bronze]

yes it was a thing

and it's not a magnet, it doesn't automatically catch shit

[white fulcrum]

how would it catch things

what is there to catch things on

[vivid solar]

Hard edge

[terse bronze]

every edge is hard

^w^

[vivid solar]

If you took a strike on the top of the breastplate it'll just land true, not glance off

[white fulcrum]

edge…. Hard… im picking up what you’re putting down….

[terse bronze]

it's such a thin edge and a specific thing to do no one aim for that

[fleet junco]

aim for the gaps in the armor or make a gap in the armor

[terse bronze]

And even if you manage to it the edge at the perfect angle for it to be a square-on hit, no glance

so what?

[white fulcrum]

your body isn’t perfectly shaped like the breastplate; there’s a very clear gap between your person and the plate. that’s kind of why breastplates protect so well; they aren’t suctioned to your body

they can absorb the brunt of the hit for you

[terse bronze]

And we're still talking about tempered steel 🙏

[vivid solar]

Breastplates were designed to glance hits to disperse the energy. Except for this one, apparently, which is why I'm asking.

[terse bronze]

It still works as a breastplate is that's your question

[vocal vale]

seems to me like it's just to add more space between the wearer and where strikes would land

[vivid solar]

No

[vivid solar]

Hm

[vocal vale]

also there's some art of the targe being worn on top of a boxy breastplate

[terse bronze]

Why did they use it then

[vivid solar]

I said no to "is that your question"

[terse bronze]

Ah

[weak halo]

Aesthetics

Looks cool af

[vivid solar]

I dont think so

[terse sorrel]

It's okay to be wrong!

[terse bronze]

1470 Germany, - Herzog Herpin

[terse sorrel]

Why they standing all menacing like that??

[lone osprey]

Digi heidelberg description: The Duchess sits with her newborn son under the oak tree in the forest, while three masked robbers armed with maces approach from behind.

[terse sorrel]

Fittingly evil, I suppose.

[lone osprey]

its okay she makes it out and steals their clothes

[terse sorrel]

Huzzah!!

She picked a nice outfit, I’ll say.

[terse bronze]

Slaaayyy 💅 💁‍♀️ ✨

[fleet junco]

what happened to the baby

[lone osprey]

The lioness finds the small, newborn duke under the oak tree, grabs his diaper with her mouth and carries him away.

then a hunter finds it in the lioness' cave

[lone osprey]

she slays alright
||slayin giants||

[bright token]

Who made these arm pieces? They look splendid!

[humble pagoda]

What is the purpose for the large rondels on the sallet?

[vivid solar]

Armoourrr

[lone topaz]

just extra protection if you get hit in the side of the head

[runic holly]

Hey lads, could i ask here for refs of spanish helms for a own project?

[weak halo]

Waldemär Lelouch

[bright token]

Thank you Todl :]

[weak halo]

🙏

[verbal bramble]

Which style of armor do these arm pieces correspond to?

[terse bronze]

English

[vocal vale]

kind of reminds me of some iberian / flemish stuff too

[terse bronze]

troutrou

[runic holly]

please lads

[terse bronze]

What kind, what century, what status

[runic holly]

from 1400 to onward, honestly i dont have much idea of medieval stuff thats why i ask

[terse bronze]

that's a big timeframe

do you have anythign that would help me narrow it down

[runic holly]

well, could be from 1450 to 1470 as the channel says

[terse bronze]

Ok give me a minute

[runic holly]

thanks

[terse bronze]

https://www.tumblr.com/armthearmour/632518743309893632/a-beautiful-cavalry-armor-for-king-ferdinand-v-of
https://www.clevelandart.org/art/2012.39
https://www.flickr.com/photos/thoog/4448578105
https://www.gardnermuseum.org/experience/collection/11321
https://marisoccidua.wordpress.com/
https://fr.pinterest.com/aboerbront/xvth-century-military/spain

[runic holly]

https://tenor.com/view/damn-bird-legs-gif-7418853116988366584

thanks a lot

[vivid solar]

Im obsessed with Graham Turner's stuff

[verbal bramble]

I've noticed, the helmets are lots of their specific kettle hats (capacete), and a few sallets and armets here and there

[lone osprey]

I love that shape
and that they're apparently named after pears

that first battered one they think was used in the siege of Neuss

Bevor, attributed to Giovanni Negroli, Milan, ca. 1460. Philadelphia Museum of Art

[tiny valve]

Idk why but I do have a feeling that's german

[terse bronze]

probably because of the fluting, but fluting was not a german only thing + the style of fluting don't really look very germanic

(some of them do, let's be clear, but for the most part it looks more like typical english fluting)

[tiny valve]

Oh yes, I'm aware that fluting wasn't a german only thing /
Perhaps, you are right about it being english, it just had a german look

[tiny valve]

I didn't know there were differnet type of fluting (german, english)

thanks for telling me

[terse bronze]

That's not really what I meant but idk there's a sorta different vibe-ish

at least to me

[tiny valve]

But if you don't mind what is the difference between german and english

oh i see

[terse bronze]

as a counter example some german effigies/statues

[tiny valve]

Just compared to the arms rn

You are right

[terse bronze]

And some examples of english and western european armors from Tobias Capwell's book

[graceful fox]

are these jack chains I purchased period accurate?

[verbal bramble]

Western European and English fluting seems more like giving the illusion of spirals, and more like in straight lines to me

Gothic fluting kind of looks more fluid and pointed, for lack of a better term

[latent drift]

idk but they look cool

[bright token]

Are there Western European armour that also use rivet to connect breastplate and plackart like most German armour?

[terse bronze]

i know about this one but it might have been made for the german market idk the source of it

[bright token]

Thank you Kevlar 😄

[terse bronze]

and then there's these but idk if that counts

[bright token]

I just like rivet system more than belt system LOL

[bright token]

These are lovely :]

[terse bronze]

https://www.khm.at/kunstwerke/reiterharnisch-kueriss-372900 there's this one too

[bright token]

Hell yeah

[terse bronze]

well it does have "belts" but like

cool

"Milanese"

"fishtail" placard, iberian potentially Portuguese I heard

[bright token]

wow the plackart is very high

i like it

[terse bronze]

note the little buckles on the side like the previous one

Ferdinand's one i mean

repro

[terse bronze]

https://www.gardnermuseum.org/experience/collection/11321

[vale sparrow]

starved nobles were like

one poke with the axe would cut that in half

an arrow would just phase around that nobody would hit that on more than 10 meters

a vertical cut with the poleaxe would never hit that guy

its like the anime shooter game where the character turns sideways into 2d

[terse bronze]

Bro has no idea of what a healthy lean-muscular body is like

Tragic

[vale sparrow]

mans taken that personally

lean muscular doesnt mean skinny

[terse bronze]

skinny doesn't mean starved

[vale sparrow]

ofc its jokes

[vocal vale]

the overwhelming majority of knights looked like this

i've never really seen a harness that looks super middle of the road, a lot of them are either "skinny" or super insanely broad / fat

[vale sparrow]

im pretty sure not an overwhelming majority was as skinny, im also around that skinny but majority of knights hella wasnt

considering the times where it took something to survive

pretty sure the people had way more muscle % than us

[next orchid]

the dude is just tall and has form fitting armor

[next orchid]

more muscle doesnt necessarily mean bigger

[vale sparrow]

oh yea i didnt consider the tallness

[next orchid]

he really doesnt look that skinny to me lmao

[vale sparrow]

look at wrist

[next orchid]

yes, thats pretty normal

his hands look small lol

[vale sparrow]

look at thigh then

[next orchid]

i dont see it

he looks like average dude

[vale sparrow]

he looks french

[terse bronze]

?

Keep your weird ass comments to yourself if you don't have anything interesting to say

[void stream]

"Sant Jordi" By Pedro Nisart
Dating: 1460

[bright token]

Lovely_loreen’s armour, look like the Western European fluted style armour drawing that KevlarOnion has posted

[humble pagoda]

When were Rondels popularly used with skullcaps?

[lone osprey]

not sure how composed it is, in the deutsches historisches museum, dated c.1470

outside the date range cause its dated to around 1480 but it does have that similar fluting on the cuisses. wallace collection

[vivid solar]

Tf

[white fulcrum]

“Tf” Tf

[white fulcrum]

virus 1 virus 2 virus 3 virus 4

[lone osprey]

italian made gauntlet, c1470, musee armee

[next orchid]

toob

[void stream]

Tube

[cold atlas]

man i'd love some black/gold armor

[vocal vale]

both of those are a thing in game

[cold atlas]

i meant like a combination of those

something like black armor with gold lining

[lone osprey]

[vivid solar]

Outside the date range but Graham Turner has a cool painting of this

[cold atlas]

i love it ❤️

[terse bronze]

i'm the guy in the back

i'm the banneret dude

bannering as fuck

[terse bronze]

Also way out of the game's timeframe

[vivid solar]

As I said

[terse bronze]

Oh i read it wrong mb

[lone osprey]

Bannering like its no ones business

[terse bronze]

it's also cool to see that the banner he's holding is blown by the wing toward the right and the right guy's flag is toward the left, maybe indicating that it was "solid"

maybe not solid but a bit like how they did on the Moon

with a Г shaped bar

let me know in the comments down bellow ⬇️

[terse sorrel]

Which one would you say is solid?

I feel like a bar for the left one would be inconvenient.

[terse bronze]

the right one's flag

[terse sorrel]

Yeah, seems simpler.

[terse bronze]

feller

[terse sorrel]

Very interesting, I wonder if that is it!

[terse bronze]

would be cool

[terse sorrel]

They went to the moon in 1470..

[terse bronze]

I went too

didn't take pics tho shit is empty as hell

[terse sorrel]

The Americans removed all the flags to preserve the narrative!!

[terse bronze]

removed? they just didn't add them in post-prod (fake moon landing!!!)

[terse sorrel]

Gulp..

[vivid solar]

I doubt it

[cursive socket]

out of the date range but this is a picture of the Agincourt Museum

[vocal vale]

#1287593473217790034

[fleet junco]

add white shields

[lone osprey]

Hmong el Blanco

[earnest dust]

Words cannot describe how much I love English armour…

[weak halo]

I am salivating

[next orchid]

well remember the artist has to tell the viewer what he is seeing

i know later banners typically just blew or were waved, not sure about medieval ones

[terse bronze]

yeah but that's boring

[next orchid]

defying the laws of physics is badass wdym

[terse bronze]

Oh my science this is such an incel behaviour

[solar cargo]

Mace Gun, ca. 1450

[fleet junco]

what the fizz

[void stream]

medieval bias

[humble pagoda]

What are these overcoats called?

[fleet junco]

jupons

gowns

ask molly

[fast niche]

how the hell would i know

[next orchid]

coat

(thats the english)

[night kindle]

Second dude has that baggy t-shirt overcoat look lmao

Older GTA gangster vibe

[solar cargo]

the forgotten technique of using tentacle arms against your opponent https://wiktenauer.com/wiki/Page:MS_U860.F46_1450_22r.jpg

[lone osprey]

The doc oc

[verbal bramble]

A specialty of the disciplines of Lovecraft, as I assume

[vivid solar]

Special attack sneak peek 👀

[bold parrot]

yeah and the sword inside your pants

thats the forbidden technique

[cobalt pendant]

Slenderman origin story

[runic holly]

someone knows what Rapier is this?

[eager nymph]

I'm not sure this is supposed to be a rapier. If I remember correctly that type of sword is too late for the game's timeframe. It's just a sword with a unique handle and a thin blade really

[runic holly]

like, isnt a modded sword, i found it in items of a mod what makes you able of spawn things

[vivid solar]

It's from the Halfsword Enhancer but ive never seen it in vanilla

[eager nymph]

mod author probably just used the term for ease of recognition

[runic holly]

yea

[eager nymph]

swords and most other weapons have a lot of variable parts to go off of, you probably just haven't seen this combination

[runic holly]

also it works weird, so i think is a WIP weapon thats why we dont see it in the game

[vivid solar]

Eh

I think i'd notice a ring hilt sword

[vivid solar]

Yeah, probably in the game files but not included in the circulation

[weak halo]

Isn't that an estoc?

[eager nymph]

Maybe? I don't know the specifics but they MIGHT have been larger, two handed (maybe hand and a half) swords. Don't take me for a master on this stuff though

[weak halo]

I think they vary in sizes

[eager nymph]

maybe

[weak halo]

Like this one

Heckin huge

[weak halo]

They're all estocs

[terse sorrel]

Swords like that were in the original demo, so they're still in the enhancer list.

[graceful fox]

I know this isn't quite on topic but I can't post this in general. Does anyone know where I could get a helmet like this one? I'm building a kit and I love the look of this.

[turbid shadow]

There's a ton of smiths on facebook who make sallets

[vale sparrow]

if i was a smith i wouldnt fkin do chainmail ever

when i saw what it looks like that shiz takes more patience than anything

double chainmail

[terse bronze]

You can cut some time by not doing the chain and only focussing on the maille

[vale sparrow]

whole chainmail is made of chain

[terse bronze]

nah it's made out of maille

that's why it was historically called mail/maille and not chainmail

[vale sparrow]

whats the difference?

[terse bronze]

chainmail is a dnd term while mail/maille is historical

#outjerked

[next orchid]

what about platemaile

[terse bronze]

scalemaile

[terse sorrel]

My personal favorite is scalemail. All the knights back in the day wore that, didn’t they?

[terse sorrel]

https://tenor.com/view/what-the-fuck-was-i-even-thinking-spaghetti-pool-water-gif-534004118832831510

[fleet junco]

maile

[graceful fox]

do you have any sellers in mind? I dont know what to search up.

[turbid shadow]

Look up Francois L'Archeveque

[graceful fox]

thanks

[graceful fox]

i was about to message him and facebook just smacked me with a "Confirm your identity with a video selfie"

[weak halo]

No, it comes from a misconception that armor in general was called "mail", that's why they call things "chain-mail", "plate-mail" or "scale-mail"

[terse bronze]

Oh yeah i heard about it

[weak halo]

Personally I still refer to it as chainmail because it's a term that's more widely known

Maille makes sense in french because of the mesh being composed of maillons, but the english equivalent "mail" doesn't

If anything just calling it "chain" or "mesh" would

[fleet junco]

male

[terse bronze]

wouldnt be the first time english uses french words

(without necessarily understanding them)

(looking at you "charcuterie boards")

[white fulcrum]

erm actually sir Samuel Rush Meyrick made that shit up in the 18th or 19th century i forgot

Victorian moment

[terse bronze]

It was John Dee Handy

(pun..)

[sinful anvil]

anyone else do dumb things before fighting champions?

[vocal vale]

wrong channel

[vivid solar]

I like that you can see the class disparity here

Between image 2 and 3

2 still having all the hammer marks whereas 3 is polished until sparkling

[fleet junco]

@turbid shadow

[turbid shadow]

on it

[terse bronze]

@turbid shadow

[turbid shadow]

on it (again)

[vocal vale]

@turbid shadow

[turbid shadow]

yo

[void stream]

@turbid shadow

[vivid solar]

Not clicking ts

[fleet junco]

@turbid shadow

[bright token]

Hi guys I have a question, is this type of besagew showed up only in England? Armour by Jeffrey Hedgecock

[plucky mist]

hehehehee...Hedgecock

[sullen charm]

highkey swagger

[white fulcrum]

heh, hedge… I get it… like bushes and shit…

that’s a good one mobrack

foliage

[vivid solar]

@turbid shadow

[turbid shadow]

someone else took em out

[mighty needle]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qGUp6KUYR_g

he hasn't released the full video yet but it could be a useful resource once he does

[vivid solar]

@turbid shadow

[turbid shadow]

gotcha

[sullen charm]

Anyone know the name , date and location of this painting ?

[lone osprey]

https://commons.m.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Creatures_detail,_from-_Master_of_Catherine_of_Cleves_-_Mouth_of_Hell;_Final_Absolution_-_Google_Art_Project_(cropped).jpg

[sullen charm]

Thanks

[fleet junco]

add fiore

[vivid solar]

Whatt is that

[vocal vale]

lasso pollaxe

pollasso, lassollaxe, etc

[terse sorrel]

You should add the evil murder powder one instead..

[vocal vale]

insert both is good gif

[terse sorrel]

[lone topaz]

i remember there being some painting of fully gilded armor but the paint was so old it had turned red
does anyone remember where the image is from? or possibly even have it

[terse bronze]

The Justice of Trajan and Herkinbald, around 1450s, by Rogier van der Weyden I think (flemish)

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/b/b2/After_Rogier_van_der_Weyden_-_The_Justice_of_Trajan_and_Herkinbald.jpg

[lone topaz]

thank you!

[vivid solar]

What is that

[humble pagoda]

Where is the origin of this reference?

[robust tendon]

bevor

[humble pagoda]

I found this on Tom Biliter's page on Pinterest, but there's little to no actual information about the images.

[vivid solar]

No the chin piece on the bevor

[robust tendon]

oh, probably just a reinforcement

[terse sorrel]

Can I get some good German references? I don't really feel like sifting through the channel's history, so if anyone has a good pile of German stuff within the timeframe, I'd really appreciate it!

[vocal vale]

is it captioned / titled ref _ arm _ (x)?

underscores….. discord wont let me just use unformatted underscores

[verbal bramble]

These are part of a thesis made by Mathias Goll, which includes about five thousand pieces of armor

[fleet junco]

sallad

[void stream]

salad

[bright token]

What kind of sword armoured man on the right have? The hilt look nice 😄

[terse bronze]

Baselard I think

[bright token]

Didnt know it is as long as an arming sword :0

[terse bronze]

It could yeah

[bright token]

Thx for the info Kevlar 🙏

[terse bronze]

Just like messers

Can be kitchen knives or two handed swords

Although I don't recall seeing a two handed baselard but you get the idea

[bright token]

Btw is he wearing an alla tedesca breastplate?

[terse bronze]

because he can

he's probably reenacting a northern italian if I had to guess

[bright token]

Cooll

I see 😄

[terse bronze]

remind me of this guy kinda

[thorny otter]

Swiss degen. Baselard hilt construction is different 🙂

[vocal vale]

yes

[fleet junco]

whats the point of having articulation there if you cant even move it

[robust tendon]

it's a reinforcement iirc

[lone osprey]

I wonder the same thing about some milanese/iberian backplates
Like i dont get if they are even supposed to articulate when they have rivets in the middle, i thought that would keep them immobile

[fleet junco]

were singular piece cuirasses even used/made in the 1450s

[weak halo]

Ye

[ancient pivot]

Depends on what exactly you're referring to, but sliding rivets are a thing which allow for some movement when riveted in place

[bright token]

https://www.instagram.com/p/DNfnYnBtLKT/?igsh=MTlseHZvanN5aGdibA==

old_world_armoury

Another completed “simplified” brigandine
Inexpensive does not mean ugly.
.
About a month ago, I announced a proposal to make a couple of similar brigandines by the time of Feldlager, and both orders are currently in the process of being made (although both customers are unlikely to go) so the actual queue for brigandines is 1.5-2 months o...

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Look like something that could be in the game :]

[lone osprey]

thats interesting I hadnt heard of that
have you got pictures of examples?
this is what I'm referring to - I don't get if a backplate like this would be able to articulate with the rivet in the middle

eg like this one an

[ancient pivot]

Not a backplate but this shows how they were. Basically the plate underneath has a long hole for the rivet to slide up and down in instead of just being locked in 1 position

[lone osprey]

Thanks thats interesting

[mild ivy]

Waiting for this DLC 🤣🐙

[vivid solar]

Im waiting for this DLC

[fleet junco]

waiting on the

[night kindle]

waiting on the

[void stream]

Thüring von Ringoltingen, Melusine, 1468 Nürnberg, Germanisches Nationalmuseum, Hs 4028
Dating: 1468

[silver heart]

that scale helm with rondels is cursed

[fleet junco]

is that your book

[void stream]

no

but I'd like it if it was

[fleet junco]

if it was

[fast pagoda]

anyone know what MHIT means? for context this is the closing line of the starhemburg fechtbuch (fol. 113v), above it lists the year 1452, and afterwards "thanks be to god", all in latin, so I'm obviously assuming the abbreviation is latin as well but I have no idea what it could mean.

[lone osprey]

could be a signature

e.g. https://jstor.org/stable/community.14632238

[fast pagoda]

I was thinking that it could be maybe

wish we knew who for though

[bright token]

https://www.instagram.com/share/_yB47wSZR

[dense smelt]

I don't think it's a signature, you wouldn't rubricate it like that ever or at least I've never seen it. The chain of names involved also don't have anything similar. It's probably an abreviation of something but I don't know enough to guess what

[fast pagoda]

Yea honestly no idea, the book is German so I would assume the initials would follow some line of German name but it doesn’t seem to be like that based on what’s there

Don’t know enough Latin to have any sort of guess on an abbreviation otherwise (if it is a Latin abbreviation matching with the rest of the inscription)

[dense smelt]

I do know some but not enough to fill in the blanks

I also REALLY don't like that M, it doesn't have enough minims to convince me it's an M, but Ns don't close like that either

[fast pagoda]

Yea it’s a bit odd

The abbreviations gotta be something related to the “deo gratias” coming after I’d imagine but I don’t know what phrase might be said before thanking God like so (that matches the abbreviation)

[dense smelt]

Not necessarily. A quick look at the history of the doc show the scribe was anonymous. That really screws you out of an answer because it could've been friggin anything

he could've been contracted and it's an abbreviation of the company for example

[fast pagoda]

True

[dense smelt]

without knowing who did it, you can't use other works to build up a theory. I don't think there's an answer without digging through more than google

this is one of those random things that'd send CGP Grey on a 3 year dive

[fast pagoda]

I mean I don’t know if we’ll ever have full confirmation just based on it alone, just not enough other evidence pointing to it. Best is to just throw some theories really

Went on the wiktenauer translation and the transcriber there doesn’t appear to have any guesses either, not sure if anyone really does at least that I know

[dense smelt]

I don't think he's right on that being an M, it's a scary scribble

looking at the scribe's other Ms he hits the 3 minims no problem

[fast pagoda]

What else might it be though

I’ll look through and see if there’s any matching letters like that in other places of the text

here is one on fol. 7v which resembles closer to that ending letter

Mitt

but weirdly on the same page shows that same type of M as you pictured

[dense smelt]

I could be wrong he's got some really bad Ms in some places, that's a dirty ass Merck eben

[fast pagoda]

could it have been different people writing it or nah? there's also a lot of spelling inconsistencies I've seen around but I'm not knowledgeable enough to know the reasoning exactly

[dense smelt]

he's actually got a really bad habit of making his last minim a rotund

[fast pagoda]

like for instance sometimes zorenhaw sometimes zornhaw

[dense smelt]

I'd think its unlikely, you'd see more variation. There's also always bad consistency especially when there's regional dialects involved like zorenhaw

[fast pagoda]

its weird though, same word same letter on the same page and yet two different ways of making an M

I guess like you say sometimes it was just sloppy

[next orchid]

One is lowercase one is uppercase

Actually no lol

Just cramming his letter in the circle I guess

[dense smelt]

It's two different types of script, there's latin type scripts that use two rotunds instead of 3 minums

the scribe who did this really couldn't keep it together

not terribly surprising since it was an expensive process and 15th century saw the need for speed and whole tiers of different script

[quasi timber]

here we have a german youtuber and historical educator showing how armor works. You probably don't need to understand german to understand what they are talking about
https://youtube.com/shorts/shQLz2OjP5A?si=Z-oFZTjCJ4xLu-gk

[vocal vale]

he's a fan !

[quasi timber]

that's cool! But it makes sense there aren't many games like this after all

[verbal bramble]

HOLY MOLY LOOK AT THAT DRIP!

[vivid solar]

@turbid shadow

[turbid shadow]

donezo

[lone osprey]

signature of scribe Nicolaus Rohrbach, Kaplan in Trifels, 1461

also a signature of a scribe at the end of Codex Speyer (MS M.I.29) of scribe Hans von Spier. Hans-Peter Hils says the M is for Magister

[dense smelt]

Yeah that's kinda my point. It's rubricated with breaks as a full name or in full red. The magistar siglum is an interesting one but I've never seen a full initialisms like the one above as a signature, it would totally defeat the purpose of signing

it's just... weird af

[lone osprey]

meh it follows the formula close enough
a signature is a simpler solution imo

[dense smelt]

right but who's, it doesn't fit any names involved

or at least the expected ones

[lone osprey]

heres an initialism at the end of another bavarian manuscript around the same time (or maybe a big amen i dunno)

[lone osprey]

some anonymous scribe i guess lol

[lone osprey]

those sounds are so satisfying

[graceful fox]

A little off topic but does anyone know where i could get patterns for a breastplate like this? I don't know where to look.

[weak halo]

Patterns as in cardboard shapes to cut it out of sheet metal?

[graceful fox]

Yes

I did see this but i don't know what the finished product looks like

[weak halo]

I once saw a thing that a guy did, he'd make a sculpture, wrap it in plastic and tape and then cut out the shapes along the seams

[graceful fox]

that might work

[weak halo]

https://www.facebook.com/share/v/1ZpvjPoT1G/

Here it is

[graceful fox]

thanks

[weak halo]

It's a half sculpture, he takes the cutouts and then mirrors them

Here are some images btw

[worn stream]

idk

[fast pagoda]

wurttemberg

[vocal vale]

cuirass that’s already in game, but pauldrons unreinforced + reinforced !

[weak halo]

Those are more for horseback combat aren't they?

Actually, horse update would be dope

[chrome rover]

horses with the physics of Half Sword sounds hilariously ridiculous xD

[weak halo]

Willy flaying his sword around like Saint George having a seizure

Accidentally cuts off horse's head

[chrome rover]

Willy gets kicked off his horse, hits the back of his head on the floor and dies

[weak halo]

Historically accurate combat

[vivid solar]

That'ss what I'm saying

I'd die for horses/jousting

[tawdry steeple]

open world update

[weak halo]

Oh god

[tawdry steeple]

would horses have gore tho

or would they be props

[weak halo]

Willyrim

[weak halo]

What if they just ragdoll lol

[tawdry steeple]

tposing horse

[weak halo]

Hits horse > becomes boneless puddle

[vocal vale]

yeah but they’re useful for off the horse too

plenty of art of foot combat with reinforced pauldrons

[weak halo]

In duels?

[lone osprey]

This one at least

[weak halo]

Interesting

[lone osprey]

They also seem to be worn in https://wiktenauer.com/wiki/Paulus_Kal_Fechtbuch_(Cgm_1507)

[hollow violet]

imagine the horses doing crazy spin kicks

[vivid solar]

I wanna send Willies crashing into walls

[lone osprey]

died 1444
interesting leaf shaped besagew

[ancient pivot]

Breastplate looks like a leaf too

[lone osprey]

oh yeah

[vocal vale]

holy peak

dr photosynthesis

what’s up with the arm harness

[white fulcrum]

i think he has some sort of coat on, with his tonlet over the coat

unless im tripping. but these parts make me think he has some sort of coat on

[vocal vale]

i see the quilting now

torso strikes me as an uncovered breastplate though

[haughty creek]

Is that a rivet on the bottom of the leaf?

[lone osprey]

yeah I think he's got this type of outfit going

[lone osprey]

I think so but I dont imagine it was riveted to the breastplate at the bottom because that would just make it hard to move lol

[void stream]

"Pastrana Tapestries" by Nuno Gonçalves
Dating: 1471

[terse bronze]

i love pastrami

[bright token]

Cool knights

https://pin.it/3KdGDWEve source

[thick charm]

those knights sure are cool

[bright token]

I really like the guy at front poleyn’s moon shape “wing”

The thing that protect the side of the knee lol

[graceful karma]

Such a based painting, reminds me of the album cover for Into Battle with the Art of Noise 😂

[edgy swift]

this kinda reminds me of a fight that happened in berserk.

[bright token]

https://www.instagram.com/share/BAGYQZQqA-

Peak

For ppl who dont use ig

Is that buckle on red coat man’s plackart for securing bevor?

[magic furnace]

Could be for the Frogmouth Helmet when he is in a turney

[bright token]

Oh yeah thats most likely 😄

[magic furnace]

Maybe its for the bevor but it Sites higher at the throat

Sits*

[terse bronze]

I'm pretty sure that would be for a bevor

[bright token]

Red coat man’s sallet look like the Italian export style, am I correct? 😅

[terse bronze]

could be

definitely western european style (outside of italy, so possibly mae in italy for export but could be made anywhere else)

[silver grotto]

Sallet - Sallet - 1460 | Collection Object | Royal Armouries https://share.google/CZWrRw1kwmnyXPmXQ

I believe it's this one

Or at least inspired by it

The visor lock is a very german feature

[bright token]

Wow i didn’t know that, thank you for the info 🙏

[terse bronze]

didn't even pay attention to the visor lock lol

[lone osprey]

maybe its just the angle of the photo but the cusping along the top of the visor looks better to me in the original. looks so good

[terse bronze]

they're deeper on the og

/more pronounced

[lone osprey]

two fumbs up 👍 👍

[verbal bramble]

Why does the sallet have two rivets on the tail?

[terse bronze]

to tie a cute little ribbon

[verbal bramble]

Pff- Why, of course! One must look good in the field of battle! Silly me!

[terse bronze]

Althought, don't think it would be because of that but who knows

And it's a good oppotunity to show cool tails

[verbal bramble]

Jokes aside, the extra tail is very interesting, I assume this is for extra neck protection?

[terse bronze]

yeah

/spine

[verbal bramble]

I see, I see, that makes sense

[naive echo]

Random question - for period military art (often manuscript illuminations) what is the best online resource and most easy to search? I'm looking for quality hundred years war artwork but not keen on poring through a full scan of Froissart's chronicles...

[terse bronze]

why not

[naive echo]

Well, maybe I would, but then I wouldn't know what to look at next

[terse bronze]

Check out the manuscriptminiature website

[naive echo]

Will do, thank you for the recommendation

[graceful fox]

This looks a lot like the commoner tier but its from 1493. I'm guessing this was the reference as was the whole of the Nuremberg Chronicles.

[naive crown]

references

[lone topaz]

whats that kind of weapon called?

[ancient pivot]

sword 👍

[vocal vale]

where is this from/ who made this

[fast pagoda]

I mean yeah basically

[vocal vale]

you could fit like four and a half hands on that grip

[fast pagoda]

It is a two hander so whatever word you wanna call that, I don’t know what the Danes would call it

[dusty orbit]

a sword

[lone topaz]

i hate all of you

[fast pagoda]

Ok but there’s not really an answer other than that

It’s based on a danish sword that is in the national museum in Copenhagen

Oakeshott type 18e

Two handed sword, whatever you wanna say

[chrome rover]

I genuinely know exactly what that is!

A sword

[terse bronze]

sorf

[solid wing]

qaaa]\u7u7yu

[chrome rover]

qaaa]\u7u7yu

[white fulcrum]

fuckass sword bro

[bright token]

https://www.flickr.com/photos/roelipilami/28425153464/

Sorry if this has been shared before, I thought it would be cool to see this in game.

I like 15th century fluted breastplate lol

[terse bronze]

yay!

[vivid solar]

Bird's Beak Sallet

[vivid solar]

THE halfsword

[humble pagoda]

Where could I find the full thesis?

I so far only found bits and pieces, but not the full thing.

[verbal bramble]

Give me a second, I have the zip somewhere

Here, this is the full thesis, pictures and all: http://myarmoury.com/talk/viewtopic.31261.html

Beware, it is a BIG file

[humble pagoda]

Thank you so much!

Sheesh, its like downloading a small game

[verbal bramble]

What evidence do we have of what people wore under their helmets in the 1450-1485 time frame? I didn't know that they used a hat, I thought it was a patch of cloth

I do want to wear a sallet at some point, so I would appreciate any evidence

[terse bronze]

1476 Italy, BAV Urb.lat.1

BNF Français 357 Guiron le Courtois

[verbal bramble]

Hmm... It looks like a simple hat, or that is what I interpret it is

[lone osprey]

noice

those illustrations are awesome

[robust tendon]

more or less yeah

[lone osprey]

the top one looks kind of padded like these gubbins

with those creases

[robust tendon]

might be padded

though iirc helmets already had liners

https://www.instagram.com/p/DOIYbsekRSQ/?img_index=1&igsh=bmxkbjZ0enFzeHU3

maks_izobov

Such helmets are quite rare, but they do appear in images.

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[lone osprey]

too late for the game but I like it

[lone osprey]

this is what the ideal helmet looks like

[robust tendon]

https://tenor.com/view/true-truth-nuke-squidward-mr-krabs-rock-gif-9714276628674837375

[terse bronze]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JyOuM-xVvOI

[solar cargo]

Andrea del Castagno, Portrait of Pippo Spano, circa 1450

[next orchid]

its basically a hairnet

[verbal bramble]

That, makes a surprising amount of sense

So basically, a "hairnet", but instead of net some kind of fabric?

[next orchid]

i would say essentially yes

[verbal bramble]

Huh... How did they do the elastic to keep the "hairnet" on the head and not have it fall out? I am trying to wrap my head around it

[next orchid]

its a type of sewing technique

i forgot

[verbal bramble]

Oh, a shame... I might need to figure that out